#wowhead-feedback-support | Wowhead: World of Warcraft (WoW) | Page 16

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 5:43 AM

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I guess I"m on a roll

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I think acknowledging some of the issues yesterday with forums felt healthy up to a point

teal dragon Feb 21, 2017, 5:44 AM

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I was thinking that when you said it, I was like, well... Perc's boiling over, like our local reservoirs.

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 5:44 AM

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said my piece, got good feedback, took a nap, caught pokemon

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hahah

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anyway I think mobile is fairly good on wowhead. and we were doing another round of updates these past few weeks so all random parts on the site could have true functionality

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I also think some people get confused between which site is which, not sure if the post is even about a wowhead page specifically

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like on the ad thread from sunday, someone got confused with the autoplay twitch ads on wowprogres, thought they were on wowhead

teal dragon Feb 21, 2017, 5:48 AM

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Yea I saw that.

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I spent a lot of time last week testing on mobile with Jerek for those improvements and it mostly works great. Tooltips can be a bit tempermental but I think the site is pretty good overall on mobile; especially considering the content having to be displayed.

amber ocean Feb 21, 2017, 5:51 AM

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Once the mobile topic came up, I immediately thought "that's a lot of different types of content to make work on mobile, so I wouldn't be surprised if not everything works perfectly"

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But so far nearly everything I've tried works fine, it's just little things that are a bit finicky

teal dragon Feb 21, 2017, 5:54 AM

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And that's fair... we definitely don't promise our mobile site is perfect or anything. Honestly though I hate nearly every website on mobile. I avoid it if at all possible. :\

amber ocean Feb 21, 2017, 5:56 AM

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Distracted by my friend playing FF15, so my thoughts probably aren't being articulated as well as I'd like, but I am impressed with the mobile layout

teal dragon Feb 21, 2017, 5:56 AM

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Nah I think you articulated it perfectly. 😃

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 5:57 AM

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Tumblr on mobile is probably the worst

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I uninstalled it altogether ._.

amber ocean Feb 21, 2017, 5:57 AM

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I'm currently working on a mobile layout for a suite of web apps at work and it's pain, and it's no where the variety of content types that WH has

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:19 AM

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just made a quick reply on the thread. I won't really be monitoring it because I didn't see too many actual specifics on layout issues and I've first-hand tested a lot of mobile updates, so has Sas.

dense perch Feb 21, 2017, 6:19 AM

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Honestly though Perc

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I'm glad you came forward about that because it helps us all to make an informed decision about who to avoid

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I'd never have known that they were pulling stuff like that, because I'm very bad at playing connect the dots unless all the information is right in front of me. I already didn't like mmo champion because of how anti-girl they are, but knowing what IV is doing just encourages me to utilize your site even more. Which imho is good, because what has been happening is downright shady and unprofessional, and I don't EVER stand for that.

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You guys work so hard and I'd think that even if I weren't in this chat room to see it all unfolding. And that's all I'll say, since this is still off topic XD

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 6:22 AM

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Usually when I see something like, "The website is bad," without much other info, I ask them to clarify further on what they mean. Many times, people make a remark without much of an argument, and the criticism that should be put out there is lost. :/

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:23 AM

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Thanks, yeah I honestly wonder if people got several sites mixed up on that thread since I don't see much related to wowhead specific complaints there

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DMing ya steph

dense perch Feb 21, 2017, 6:23 AM

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👍

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:25 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news=248257/new-site-feature-wowhead-now-mobile-friendly

Wowhead

New Site Feature: Wowhead Now Mobile-Friendly

We're very excited to announce that Wowhead and Hearthhead are now mobile-friendly! This is one of our most-requested site updates and we hope you have fun browsing the site on your phone, whether you don't want to alt-tab while playing, or need a Warcraft update at work.

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man

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time really flies, that feels pretty recent

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 6:26 AM

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I do remember it being pretty recent. :o

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tbh this whole entire half-year ish has felt rushed, likely due to the political climate

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:28 AM

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and yeah like I said on the thread, we've been going back and cleaning up the random parts of the sites that weren't optimized, like the battle pet calc

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each section on its own isn't a huge traffic gain but when that's done, we can work on making the site truly mobile friendly and then that should be set

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 6:44 AM

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hey something I'm actually wondering. Could it be possible to have the collapsable headers link to the URL in some fashion with the #header? For example, if I were to do "open link in new tab" or "copy link address," it'd go here? Sometimes I want to link to a particular section and I don't always know how to link to it. :(

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http://i.imgur.com/jSnAJyj.png

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:49 AM

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I'll make a note ofthat when we get to some news improvements

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in general, if I add a table of contents to post...then you can click on that part of the toc to go to the header and get the URL generated

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but sometimes the toc looks weird or w/e

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so I leave it out and then people aren't sure how to link

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 6:51 AM

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Yeah. Normally if I can't link it, I'll manually put the link to it myself, but in this example it's hard to find and #new-mounts didn't work. :p

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:52 AM

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which page is this again?

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oh I know

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yeah that page isn't ideal. I should really make a page called like 7.2 mounts

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and JUST havethe mounts

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 6:52 AM

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http://www.wowhead.com/news=259407/7-2-ptr-build-23436-models-class-mount-and-tints-and-pepe#new-mounts
(it works now)

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 6:52 AM

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yeah I just think for the average user not in here, they won't know

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 7:46 AM

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Hey on the Heart-Shaped Box / Big Love Rocket, are the statistics purposefully hidden or are they somehow bugged to not show up?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=54537/heart-shaped-box#contains
http://www.wowhead.com/item=50250/big-love-rocket

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 7:51 AM

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I'm not sure but it's not high priority right now

scenic panther Feb 21, 2017, 8:27 AM

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morning all

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so what trash have I missed in my few hours sleep?

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 8:27 AM

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this might be the wrong channel... lol

scenic panther Feb 21, 2017, 8:28 AM

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nope, I was just catching up on this channel 😄 not read the rest yet 😄

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new mobile site looks great btw

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but yeah, I love the wowhead team, both personally and professionally, cos you guys are up front and normal, you don't have the same, "we're here to make all da dolla" crap other sites are

azure narwhal Feb 21, 2017, 9:15 AM

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I seem to remember having relative difficulty logging in on the mobile wowhead site. I'll log out and try it again in a bit. From memory when I was trying to log in, the "Haven't got an account? Register now!" popup-style div appeared in the way and it was hard to get rid of without accidentally navigating backwards off the page

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 9:40 AM

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I had that on my main browser for awhile but that's because my computer wipes passwords from my browser automatically if I press the shutdown button.

scenic panther Feb 21, 2017, 9:46 AM

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useful safety option there

coral flint Feb 21, 2017, 9:55 AM

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I do it too many times by accident but I shut down my laptop on a daily basis too

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usually because I'm too tired to press "start > shut down > make sure apps are closed" etc.

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so I'd be logged out of wowhead when I start back up and I'm just like "welp. time to log in again"

humble delta Feb 21, 2017, 2:11 PM

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@tawny blade any eta on the artifact calculator being fixed? Relics still give the weapon incorrect stats.

tawny blade Feb 21, 2017, 5:04 PM

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I don't have an ETA quite yet. we were focused on getting the artifact calc updated for 7.2 and now we're patching our tools to handle hotfixes in 7.2 (blizzard broke how things worked)

scenic panther Feb 21, 2017, 6:27 PM

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great warlock class mount article 😃

potent fog Feb 21, 2017, 11:03 PM

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Sorrry for late: The #header is quite "easy" and very, very helpful. Anchors in websites are best ❤

nocturne ether Feb 22, 2017, 12:25 AM

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Hey folks, the quest line at http://www.wowhead.com/quest=40614/a-feast-fit-for-odyn is not properly displaying as chained in the sidebar, idk if that is manual or automatic?

Wowhead

A Feast Fit for Odyn

Acquire flank meat from Thunderhoof in Stormheim, Spinesever's spine in Highmountain, and a steak from Leytusk in Azsuna. A level 110 Quest (Artifact). Rewards .

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somebody did most of the work in the comments it looks like

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 1:04 AM

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a lot of quests don't chain automatically, it's inconsistent on blizzard's end

night mural Feb 22, 2017, 11:50 AM

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Hey, WoW Head, if you, someday, need a hand or two with Web Development, I'm here haha

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 2:37 PM

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please explain, as far as i know there is a max number of 4 per page wich are on top/bottom and the right side.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:40 PM

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@plucky fractal I'm guessing you've only heard about wowhead on reddit and never actulaly use the site, but please, do some research before making stupid comments, the team here do a truck load of work to make our gaming easier and don't need fools giving them crap

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 2:40 PM

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Also, ads do help make sure that the site continues to run

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:40 PM

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Happy B'day @shrewd turret (sublte btw)

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 2:40 PM

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Haha, thank you :DDD

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:41 PM

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Lol Happy Birthday :p
Subtle indeed.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:41 PM

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only for you, so get better internet

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 2:41 PM

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xD I'm super subtle

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:41 PM

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well stop being cheap and pay $9 a year to get rid of ads

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:42 PM

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^I have bad internet and the page loads in about 2 - 3 seconds for me

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:42 PM

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then you're an arse, please go away

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:43 PM

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Point being, if the page is going fine for me, it's likely going to be fine for many... lol

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:43 PM

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oh there so should be a role on here for blockers like that that lets them read the site, but never reply 😄

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everyone using Ad-Block or paying premium?

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:44 PM

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I regularly use AdBlock+ and paid Premium.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:44 PM

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so why don't you use it?

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you're obviously too cheap to help wowhead out with $9

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 2:45 PM

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you dont know what goes up in the background

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wowhead themself block several adds

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they load but get blocked from wowhead, but the extension sees them

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:45 PM

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cos it's a full time job

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:46 PM

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Example: I block all flash plugins until I click on them but I see none on wowhead, yet my extension shows there's 1 being blocked. ^

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:46 PM

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why are you even here? just to cause trouble?

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hey @shrewd turret could you wield that hammer?

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oh go back to school

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 2:47 PM

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We definetly welcome feedback but now, it's just as if you're causing trouble

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:47 PM

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jesus what is this. You both need to chill out.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 2:48 PM

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goes back to readin press releases...

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:52 PM

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I'm surprised no one mentioned the recent reddit post though. For the sake of clarifying, there are currently mixed reports regarding the amount of page elements blocked on Wowhead by adblockers. Currently, for me it's 62 elements for front on a fresh Chrome, no Premium, and increasing. I imagine that number will keep going up considering I have over 1000 on a Google Docs tab that I've probably reloaded numerous times.

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Lag is more likely to be caused by crap memory or poor CPU than internet, since it causes it to load slowly, making it look like it's laggy.

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And in that sense, Wowhead's front does have quite a bit to load in so yes, it might take some time, block or no.

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 2:53 PM

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there is stuff on google docs that gets blocked?

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:53 PM

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apparently

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:53 PM

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like google ads somewhere or maybe trackers

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I personally see nothing on Google Docs though

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:55 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/8xWvr6X.png

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nor do I, but ublock insists on blocking stuff anyways

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 2:55 PM

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Oh. I don't have ublock may be why lol

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they cover more than ads if I recall

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:55 PM

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yeah

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 2:55 PM

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maybe they just count up cause they want to be like "hey i am important, never delete me!"

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:56 PM

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and yet I can't blacklist ads on certain youtube channels

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D:

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(you can whitelist but that's a pain to do)

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 2:57 PM

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I think we're all aware of the reddit threads, we're just tired discussing them

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:58 PM

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Anyways, Wowheadnews and Wowhead basically conjoining their front is a point up for debate. I personally liked the older, simple Google-esque approach, but as I've said before, I can settle for just having more visibility regarding Wowhead's community (aka the forums).

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apparently Aphoenix got tired of it too lol

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he stickied a post basically saying "seriously, stop this guys."

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 2:58 PM

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there were also like 3 threads this weekend, not one

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 2:59 PM

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http://www.wowhead.com/database @cursive lark

Wowhead

Database - World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft information, help, and tools for quests, items, talents, dungeons, raids, and more!

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:59 PM

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close, but not quite what I meant

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basically only the upper part without the rest

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 2:59 PM

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so yeah i think while we want to read all the threads for feedback and reply to those who genuinely have help, it feels like a bit of a pileup or who can say the most clever thing for points sometime. also we still have some downvote issues, not as bad as the official forums, but it seems people see wohwead staff and get mad and just want to downvote, which further hinders communication

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 2:59 PM

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anyways, that's neither here nor there

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what I did want to point out is that responding to criticism that is, at the very most, exceptionally unhelpful with hostility and similarly unconstructive discussion will go nowhere.

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actually, it just makes Wowhead look pretty bad.

azure narwhal Feb 22, 2017, 3:02 PM

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you can't win on that one; shouty-ranty people will just claim you're ignoring them out of convenience 😃

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:02 PM

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I never said they should be ignored.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:02 PM

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it'll get better @tawny blade keep smiling 😃

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:02 PM

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I stated they should not be met with crap similar to what they spew out.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:03 PM

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I don't believe any of the people in this thread were replying with malicious intent or snarky one liners

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:03 PM

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Users most of us may be, but in a time like this, Wowhead hardly needs to also develop a reputation for being undiplomatic.

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I was largely referring to the conversation that recently happened above. Troll or not, the critical individual could've been verbally disarmed easily instead of escalating.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM

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I tried, but only had one coffee so far 😛

azure narwhal Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM

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That's difficult for me to comment on, since his side of the conversation has now been erased so I can't see it; I don't see anyone "official" responding to him, though

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM

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^That's why I usually try to listen to people actually.

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:05 PM

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That's because no one official did.

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Only a user.

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But you know how people can be, guilt by association logic and all that.

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 3:06 PM

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I prefer not to comment much since I'm not an 'official' Wowhead person

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:06 PM

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just swing that banhammer on a-hattery

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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oh I dunno. If it gets bad enough, sure.

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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Also, he ended up posting a random picture and admitted to causing trouble

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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Yeah that's about when I'd just say ban.

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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so I ended up removing him

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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I knew he would 😃

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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But prior to that a ban would've probably been the wrong action.

shrewd turret Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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^

azure narwhal Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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there is a point to be made in favour of not bating people into getting themselves banned

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:07 PM

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Because once again, Wowhead really can't afford to have a reputation for being undiplomatic.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:08 PM

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This conversation was not handled incorrectly and also will change nobody's mind

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:08 PM

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I don't think Lone really did. The user basically admitted to antagonizing.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:08 PM

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The official forums are unmoderated and have spread all sorts of rumors about the site

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:08 PM

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utter madness

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:08 PM

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so, we've already gotten the undiplomatic reputation people are worried about us having

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with things like upvote cabals and other bizarre behavior

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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if it helps, only in US, the EU forums have no mention at all

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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Then in that case, it's more about not fueling confirmation bias.

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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I don't think the goal is necessarily to change the opinions of others', because that'll rarely happen. I think moreso it's to prevent other people besides the trolls and mislead from taking a negative stance.

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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It's very similar, in a sense.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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I understand you're trying to be helpful, but you're going about it the wrong way

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By shifting the blame onto Wowhead

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:09 PM

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Not really.

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I was actually criticizing fellow users on actions. The whole front page thing was really more of a tangent.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:10 PM

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I'll discuss this later, I have to work to do and I'm already in a horrible mood

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:11 PM

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🍪 ?

azure narwhal Feb 22, 2017, 3:12 PM

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I think perc and interest may have crossed lines somewhere with interest's comment about not responding with hostility accidentally coming after perc's line about wowhead replying to all forum threads

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:12 PM

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hell, Perc is the most diplomatic person I've ever read

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:12 PM

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I think the way official replies were made was fine.

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The downvote brigading on them actually sucked pretty badly.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:13 PM

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ANYWAY, lets let it go now, idiot got banned, it's been discussed to death

scarlet flame Feb 22, 2017, 3:13 PM

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Very true. Perc does very well. So can we move on?

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:13 PM

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please

scarlet flame Feb 22, 2017, 3:13 PM

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@tawny blade hope your day gets better.

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:14 PM

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That was never the point though. I have no interest in criticizing official responses mostly because I can't think of a good way it could've been done better. That's a good thing, and I guess that wasn't clear.

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:15 PM

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I think everyone here loves the wowhead team (even Sas) and knows they do a tough job making our lives easier

scarlet flame Feb 22, 2017, 3:16 PM

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k, moving on.

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:18 PM

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is anyone getting a chrome alert about scripts from unauthenticated sources?

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currently getting that trying to test ublock on front

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 3:19 PM

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you never had that, and now with ublock you get it?

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:20 PM

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normally, I just enable my premium

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i'm currently trying to replicate reported issues

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so I have another tab open testing how many elements ublock blocks over an hour

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andddd i accidentally refreshed the page. heh

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:23 PM

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hey guys, lets move chat out of #wowhead-feedback-support yeah?

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and keep #wowhead-feedback-support For basic site related questions/feedback/suggestions.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:51 PM

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Hey, just had to focus on getting the priest news up. It's a lot of stress replying to things, and also frustrating seeing people run with rumors that don't help the site on forums etc. So it just wasn't good for my state of mind to worry about what if the Discord conversation had gone a different way, and caused another flareup or disappointment in a user. Figuring out when to reply with facts...or not at all if it's all trolling...to help the site's reputation takes up a ton of my time, and the convesation right after I woke up was just wearing me out. No hard feelings to anyone here 😃

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:53 PM

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keep up the good work Perc, thank you 😃

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:54 PM

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trolling is sadly kinda hard to identity, especially nowadays. The definition has become so distorted that troll, to some, means "individual with different opinion."

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Tough times, I say.

coral flint Feb 22, 2017, 3:54 PM

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Poe's Law^

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:54 PM

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I miss the days of Randomness when the trolls were so obvious

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like hect

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 3:55 PM

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yeah, so it's like - am I posting too much? or was this a confused user that would have benefitted from me relinking a wowhead post? even if it doesn't benefit them, maybe it would help someone unbiased who is skimming a thread?

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gets tiring evaluating that for every single reply

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 3:55 PM

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you're doing a great job

cursive lark Feb 22, 2017, 3:56 PM

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I know how that can feel. It's not a fun thing to do and most people really can't handle it if only because it's difficult to keep up socially.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 4:00 PM

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thanks

iron reef Feb 22, 2017, 4:22 PM

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You don't have to have the perfect response to everything perc, you're allowed to be human

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 4:23 PM

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or vampire, whichever you prefer

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 4:27 PM

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hehe

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 4:29 PM

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that would sort the idiots out, just go full Vlad teh Impaler

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 10:34 PM

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i think there broke something. looks like it is for all items (PRT site)

📎 unknown.png

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ok, some look fine

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could be only cached pre view, after clicking on it the item broke again

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http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=45611/solar-bindings&bonus=0 example

Wowhead

Solar Bindings

This epic leather armor of item level 239 goes in the "" slot. It is looted from Gift of the Observer. Added in World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King.

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 11:27 PM

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the PTR is in a state of flux

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we are fixing some things that moved around with the build today

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you may have noticed weird race restrictions on various items earlier

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 11:29 PM

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i just saw that the legendary stat changes vanished again in the changelog

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 11:32 PM

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we removed them as we sorted out item issues related to stats disappearing

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eg all primary stats had been removed from items

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and the artifact calc was only showing 4 out of 36 artifacts

viscid heart Feb 22, 2017, 11:33 PM

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what did they do again?

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they like to shuffle stuff around it seems

tawny blade Feb 22, 2017, 11:33 PM

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blizzard sometimes changes how things are formatted and columns

scenic panther Feb 22, 2017, 11:37 PM

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just to make it interesting 😉

potent fog Feb 23, 2017, 3:28 AM

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https://twitter.com/perculia/status/834605619097194497 Oh lol, that's a LOT of AP

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@perculia

Data Hunter Perculia

I think the artifact calculator broke and hit it's max numerical value. Not displaying costs of 80+ trait ranks in 7.2

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The number is too big it's show in exponential

tawny blade Feb 23, 2017, 3:29 AM

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well the calc just doesn't like

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updaate at all after like Rank 80

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which I'm sure won't be a problem for many people in practice

potent fog Feb 23, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Yeah, don't worry, just make me laugh to see it on Exponential ^^

tawny blade Feb 23, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Rank 56 on live was 5075000

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on PTR it's 694500000

coral flint Feb 23, 2017, 3:31 AM

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I sometimes wonder how Blizzard stores numbers like that on their servers with millions of players

potent fog Feb 23, 2017, 3:31 AM

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IDK, ask diablo 3 devs xD

azure narwhal Feb 23, 2017, 9:30 AM

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in 2 bytes of memory?

lucid bobcat Feb 23, 2017, 1:59 PM

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"Each Emissary Cache will have a mount drop from it. " "We do not know if the mount is guaranteed to be in a cache yet." Kind of contradictory

viscid heart Feb 23, 2017, 2:02 PM

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that specifiy chest drops mounts.
we dont know if 100%.
both true, both stated there

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"each chest" "each different chest"

pliant hill Feb 23, 2017, 2:05 PM

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the ones i want most is the dragon and unicorn

cursive lark Feb 23, 2017, 2:06 PM

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That set of statements doesn't seem contrarian. Maybe requires some precision of language, but we aren't in the universe of "The Giver."

lucid bobcat Feb 23, 2017, 2:12 PM

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So it's "drop" as a noun, not a verb, got it

cursive lark Feb 23, 2017, 2:13 PM

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yes that would be correct

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well actually, even in verb form, at best the probability being considered 100% is mildly implicit.

plucky fractal Feb 23, 2017, 2:20 PM

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Make it 1%, this game needs more RNG!

cursive lark Feb 23, 2017, 2:20 PM

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1% is low, but I think a chance is fair

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1-pass RNG is basically bread and butter for WoW

plucky fractal Feb 23, 2017, 2:21 PM

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Legion's RNG is just ridiculous, even for an MMO

cursive lark Feb 23, 2017, 2:21 PM

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that's because it's usually 2-3pass RNG

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remember when people complained about how to get the sandstone drake mount recipe?

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that's basically Legion's RNG

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cont. in #retail-wow

plucky fractal Feb 23, 2017, 2:23 PM

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Whoops, apologies blues

pliant hill Feb 23, 2017, 2:50 PM

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@tawny blade Blazing hippogryph mount is listed twice

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😛

viscid heart Feb 23, 2017, 2:50 PM

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cause hes on fire.

tawny blade Feb 23, 2017, 2:51 PM

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updating

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looks like there were two different items with that name in the database

pliant hill Feb 23, 2017, 2:53 PM

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ahh oki still same mount tough right?

tawny blade Feb 23, 2017, 2:54 PM

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yep

scenic panther Feb 23, 2017, 3:17 PM

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ooh, two blazing hippogryphs?

viscid heart Feb 23, 2017, 3:17 PM

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scenic panther Feb 23, 2017, 3:21 PM

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aww damn

mint mist Feb 25, 2017, 1:43 AM

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What's going on with the wowhead site? I can barely load it and loud ads play all the time. It lags my computer like crazy. :(

tawny blade Feb 25, 2017, 1:45 AM

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The loading issue may be related to an annoying ad the site is trying to block (but it seems weird you're getting noisy ads along with the low performance). more here: http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=260419&p=4030573

Wowhead

[Improvements] Recent Site Stability Issue(s)

Hi everyone, Over the past several months ZAM has been implementing various safeguards on Wowhead to prevent bad advertisements from having any substantial imp…

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The slow performance can also be caused by a combination of ad blockers, feedback@lament hemlockhead.com can help you troubleshoot

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If you are on a page that appears to have a troublesome ad, you can report it via feedback > bad advertisement on the top right of any page

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 1:46 AM

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poor wow#2504 :p

tawny blade Feb 25, 2017, 1:46 AM

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that helps us determine your geographical region and narrow down which ad channel is serving the ad

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We've also disabled new ads after a certain time duration on the site, so you shouldn't be experiencing loud ads if you're playing wow for hours straight. Not sure if that's exactly your issue but it's come up frequently enough that we decided it was worth a change for now

mint mist Feb 25, 2017, 1:47 AM

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Thank you @tawny blade I'll try that stuff and see if it helps. I love wowhead and go there every day so not using it because of the ads is making me sad. Thanks for the quick response!

tawny blade Feb 25, 2017, 1:48 AM

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There's also a little carrot option towards the top right of a page. if you think you'll be on it a while, you can click on the carrot to hide the ads on that page

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 3:59 AM

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You can also use an extension, if you're in Chrome, called 'The Great Suspender' which suspends tabs that you aren't active in after a set amount of time. HUGE memory saver.

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I've always got like 3 wowhead tabs open at a time. >.>;

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Hey Perculia, this is kind of an embarrassing ask, but I've been wondering if there was any thought about putting the class names underneath the icons on the class bar. Because sometimes, I don't... actually know which icon I'm looking for. >.>

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(Or Sas, or whoever. XD )

teal dragon Feb 25, 2017, 4:33 AM

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Hi Steph. I honestly don't see us doing that, the icons are fairly common and adding text above/below/around the icons would require us to extensively increase the size (or width) of the bar to accomodate large enough text to be readable. 😦 Sorry!

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 4:36 AM

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NP!

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For some reason I just never remember that druid is the bear paw XD

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(admittedly this is mostly my brain being wired kinda wonky)

teal dragon Feb 25, 2017, 4:41 AM

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I get the DK and DH mixed up sometimes if it makes you feel any better 😄

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 4:43 AM

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A little bit. XD

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 4:46 AM

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not to sound rude but you can kind of see which class you're choosing by hovering over the dropdown anyway. :p
Maybe have the class in the dropdown menu? (if that wasn't what you meant already)
http://i.imgur.com/hxTpUDD.png

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 4:49 AM

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Nah, it wasn't. The problem for me is that the row of icons is too much sensory input for my brain to process, where a clear pink word that says 'paladin' makes it easier for me to sort through the information faster.

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Instead I see a row of icons and start panicing because images aren't as clear as definitive text that says 'this is the right thing to click on'

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I'll get over it, probably. XD;

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Hovering only works to clarify if you're already not panicing about sticking your mouse on a part of the page that is 'correct'

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 4:52 AM

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hmm...

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gimme a minute

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I have an idea

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 4:52 AM

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But he's right, unless the text was super tiny or they spaced everything out really too far for the raid menu to be convenient, there really isn't any space.

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 4:56 AM

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uh. Something's weird actually...

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http://www.wowhead.com/paladin
I was going here to check for the class icon (since I didn't want to use the tiny one through inspectingthe icon on the bar) and it's... missing.

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All the class icons are missing. O.o
Like as if the file for class icons are gone.

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http://www.wowhead.com/icons?filter=11;1;0
O.o

Wowhead

Class Icons

A complete searchable and filterable list of all Class Icons in World of Warcraft: Legion. Always up to date with the latest patch (7.1.5).

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Anyway @dense perch what about something like this? :p

📎 paladin_class_icon.png

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:07 AM

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Yes, that would work!

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But now I'm feeling bad for even bringing it up and having wowhead cater to me. Although I'm sure I'm not the only person with autism or other sensory issues that it would help.

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:08 AM

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nah I got confused the other day looking for the mage

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maybe the colour ring might help? maybe?

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:08 AM

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I think so, we're conditioned in game to know that pink = paladin and brown = warrior, etc

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:09 AM

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I'll make a whole set of these same style icons :p

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they're really easy

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plus I want them for myself sometime >:D

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:09 AM

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Wouldn't it just be easier to put the border around them in the CSS where they're already using the css to round the borders anyway?

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Or maybe that'd be a crap load of extra lines in the code

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But I'm not sure I can just take your images and replace the ones on the bar.

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:10 AM

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maybe. Though the icons are only this big: http://wow.zamimg.com/images/wow/icons/medium/class_paladin.jpg

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I'm using the ingame icon files

📎 UI-Classes-Circles.png

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:11 AM

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The border goes around the outside. So it'd be like <img src="your class icon" style="border: 2px solid #the pink color;border-radius:50%">

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They've already got them rounded on the bar, though maybe they're just using the default round ones come to think of it

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So they may not be using any code to MAKE them round (I'm not gonna go digging around in view source, that's just not polite)

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:12 AM

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nah they're rounding them with CSS I think

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the icon I linked above was straight from their menu

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:13 AM

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ahh, yeah.

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Though if it were me coding the bar I'd just code in a blanket 'all images get rounded', so trying to put a border of color that's a different color on each one may not be doable. I'm not really sure.

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Either way it'd be a heck of a lot of effort for this special snowflake. >.>;

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:49 AM

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? :D

📎 class_icons.png

dense perch Feb 25, 2017, 5:49 AM

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:D

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YES those are SUPER clear

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it's just that added bit of info that makes my brain stop flailing

half tangle Feb 25, 2017, 5:57 AM

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keyboard do you have images like that but with the new icons rather then the og ones?

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 5:58 AM

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let me check

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I should have a copy of it somewhere

half tangle Feb 25, 2017, 5:58 AM

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could make them myself but, would be dope if you had them on hand (:

coral flint Feb 25, 2017, 6:00 AM

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I don't have them with the circles but I do have the original icons I used to make into emojiis on this server paladin

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📎 paladin.png

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I'll make a link on github though since just sending a zip file on Discord sounds spooky. :p

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also should probably put it in #no-wow-discussion

lucid bobcat Feb 26, 2017, 2:51 PM

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There's a small correction to be made to the Demon Hunter Havoc hidden artifact skin guide

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http://www.wowhead.com/artifact-weapons-hidden-appearances-guide#demon-hunter

Wowhead

Hidden Artifact Weapon Appearances and Effects

Unlocking hidden appearances and effects for Artifact Weapons for all specs for the Hidden Potential Achievement. Includes images of all weapon models.

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and 2) are not necessary. After reading the comments that said they were not I decided to try it myself and indeed, you can just fly up to the mob by jumping/gliding from Dalaran, kill him and loot the skin. No need to farm endlessly for the necklace, go talk to the NPC, etc.

exotic hill Feb 26, 2017, 2:53 PM

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@tawny blade

halcyon sandal Feb 26, 2017, 9:09 PM

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are some boss sounds like the ones from NH not supposed to play yet

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they won't work for me

rigid jasper Feb 26, 2017, 9:44 PM

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not sure if im in the right place, but is there anywhere i can post a question for help with the wowhead site?

cursive lark Feb 26, 2017, 9:50 PM

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you're in the right place. what do you need?

rigid jasper Feb 26, 2017, 9:51 PM

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i for the life of me cannot keep my bnet account logged in. i log in then 2-3 page loads later, it logs me out

cursive lark Feb 26, 2017, 9:54 PM

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I dunno if you can really stay signed in, but try clearing cookies and cache.

rigid jasper Feb 26, 2017, 9:54 PM

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so that happens to you as well?

cursive lark Feb 26, 2017, 9:54 PM

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I log in with ZAM usually.

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but since there's no option to just stay logged in for Battle.net, I'm assuming the functionality might not be all there.

rigid jasper Feb 26, 2017, 9:55 PM

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ah i see

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i guess ill try ZAM instead. there was a button for bnet that says "stay logged in" but that doesnt work for me

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thank you

tawny blade Feb 27, 2017, 12:19 AM

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we've had some similar reports about login issues in the past week that sas helped troubleshoot - seems like it was related to a browser addon. if you email feedback they can narrow it down further

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as for sounds, we know this comes up a decent amount here as something people would like us to fix, but between the constant PTR changes, ad issues, malicious people screwing with SEO on google, etc - we just can't prioritize it now. We have someone new starting on monday and I'll see how easy it will be to get sounds up to par, but the overall traffic from sounds is very small compared to parts of the site that need our attention

coral flint Feb 27, 2017, 12:24 AM

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@halcyon sandal which particular sounds are you finding that won't play?

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I have all the sound files myself, but sometimes they won't play because they're empty / dummy files for placeholders. They're usually about 4KB in size and just "play" so fast because they're 00:00 time in length, so it looks like they don't work.

halcyon sandal Feb 27, 2017, 12:33 AM

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Its almost all the voice files for NH bosses like Trilliax @coral flint

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They must be the dummy files

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or something

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stuff liek VO_701_Trilliax_01

coral flint Feb 27, 2017, 12:36 AM

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Hm. Maybe those weren't available when they were initially datamined. I'm able to play them from my files but not from wowhead. O.o

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those ones should be playing though. There's some which simply don't exist in the game like these: http://www.wowhead.com/sound=75261/vo-703-lothrius-mooncaller-greetings

Wowhead

VO_703_Lothrius_Mooncaller_GREETINGS

VO_703_Lothrius_Mooncaller_GREETINGS is a sound from World of Warcraft. Always up to date with the latest patch (7.1.5).

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you should be able to check sound files if they're dummies or not in game by doing things like /run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\Trilliax\\VO_701_Trilliax_01.ogg")

tawny blade Feb 27, 2017, 12:50 AM

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it's possible that we ran into an issue updating the sound files at some point, and the last time we updated them, the nighthold ones were placeholder

coral flint Feb 27, 2017, 12:52 AM

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That's my personal theory. Nighthold was "available" since launch I think. :P

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 1:16 AM

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Has anyone else seen something like this on our site today?

📎 unknown.png

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 1:17 AM

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Driving with uber ads? nope lol

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 1:17 AM

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or entirely black ads?

📎 unknown.png

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 1:17 AM

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but no I haven't seen anything like that

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let me switch to firefox and check

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 1:17 AM

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Yea just today I've been experiencing some weird giant blocks with just some ad text/link in it, very peculiar.

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 1:18 AM

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mmm I think I see now

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page finished loading let me delete that screenshot

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http://i.imgur.com/FiKEHts.jpg

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there's 2 ads on the right missing

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ABP disabled btw

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same on the bottom too
http://i.imgur.com/SvH2N4Y.png

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 1:19 AM

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Yeah I'm running Chrome with no extensions, not sure why I'm getting entirely black ads. Some do load, like your example, but many black ones. Okay, thank you for testing for me! 😃

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 2:25 AM

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We've just deployed a major update to the modelviewer. there may be slow performance as cache is cleared and the site gets up to speed again

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we'll have a post with the updates up shortly when performance seems more stable 😃

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 2:27 AM

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why an update to the model viewer I might ask?

potent fog Feb 28, 2017, 2:28 AM

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Wasn't it using flash?

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 2:29 AM

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don't think so

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let me double check

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pretty sure it wasn't before since my flash blocker didn't block it specifically

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 2:30 AM

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it's showing some of the additional armor pieces on tier armor now, better cape borders, few other improvements to random models like nightborne

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 2:31 AM

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ahhh

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it is loading pretty slow atm though :p (as you stated above)

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http://www.wowhead.com/item=127857/aluneth&bonus=0#modelviewer

Wowhead

Aluneth

This artifact staff has an item level of 750. It is looted and a quest reward. In the Staves category. Added in World of Warcraft: Legion. Always up to date.

potent fog Feb 28, 2017, 2:33 AM

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Instant for me

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 2:33 AM

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You saw where she said it would be slow, right? 😄

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 2:33 AM

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yeah :p

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 2:33 AM

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ok just checkin' 😄

lucid bobcat Feb 28, 2017, 2:57 AM

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@coral flint how long did it take you? mine's been loading for 10 minutes now

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 2:58 AM

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oh mine isn't open anymore. Idk how long it takes, it never loaded ._.;

lucid bobcat Feb 28, 2017, 2:58 AM

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Yeah. It's okay I didn't need it, just checkin

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 3:07 AM

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Try again, might even try in Incognito

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 3:22 AM

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Hm. I don't think it's even loading.
http://i.imgur.com/sotBuS9.png

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 3:23 AM

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We think we've discovered a bug involving weapons.

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Looking into it.

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This should load for you though: http://ptr.wowhead.com/dressing-room#VMzz0zJ89s8KJJ808KJO808KJF808KJD87kKJH87cKJK87k

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 3:24 AM

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It usually takes awhile for me since I have 5 Mb/s and I limit it to 2.5

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hm. This doesn't seem to be loading either. ._.

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Like it loads it, I can see it download the thing, but it doesn't display it

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 3:27 AM

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yea it was for me but now it isn't. Now I'm just going to back away until we can investigate further. Thanks for being guinea pigs. 😄

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 3:27 AM

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👍

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I wonder how many users from Alaska you guys get lol

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I'm probably like 1 of 4 devices

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 3:30 AM

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Can't be too specific but at least 3,000 in the past week.

coral flint Feb 28, 2017, 3:31 AM

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at least 1000 of them were from me :p
jk jk

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that's pretty neat actually. I never encounter any WoW players here

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 3:32 AM

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AFK for a bit. 😃

golden solar Feb 28, 2017, 3:14 PM

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having issues with the dressing room using "Equip Transmog Set" -- will only load the chest piece of any given set.

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also, won't let me equip pieces (i.e. legs) individually

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This is happening in both Safari and Chrome for me.

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 3:35 PM

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We're aware of the issue and will be trying to get to it later today. It seems that all the items load behind the scenes, but require a page refresh in order to see the page change, which isn't intended

golden solar Feb 28, 2017, 4:12 PM

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thanks, Perculia!

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 6:58 PM

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A fix for weapons not loading on characters is going out today. Should be fast

hardy bloom Feb 28, 2017, 6:59 PM

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im getting an internal server error 500

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i can not connect at all to wowhead

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 7:04 PM

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we think the weapon fix temporarily gave some active users a 500. it should be fixed now

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we noticed a slight traffic decrease but something like 95% of users able to still use the site

hardy bloom Feb 28, 2017, 7:11 PM

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ok

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ill try again

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yep

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all good

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 7:36 PM

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@golden solar The Equip Transmog Set bug should be fixed now. Don't need to reload the page to see all the transmog set items appear in the Dressing ROom

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 8:16 PM

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Modelviewer improvements are here! Read more about it: https://www.wowhead.com/news=260730/wowhead-modelvewer-improvements-now-live

Wowhead

Wowhead Modelvewer Improvements Now Live

Wowhead's modelviewer updated today to show more armor details on Tier 19, Tier 20, and Class Hall Set armor, as well as improvements to NPCs.

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:17 PM

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apologies if this was brought up recently, but has the issue of content attempting to reload every 90ish seconds been resolved? i tried searching but saw just the feb. 2nd post on that reddit

hardy bloom Feb 28, 2017, 9:18 PM

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possibly

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try it

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also, what browser and are you using any plugin thingys?

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:20 PM

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i had chrome and ublock origin a few weeks ago when i last had this problem. i installed a separate extension that seems to have eliminated the problem for me but was just curious if people knew it the issue was still there or not

hardy bloom Feb 28, 2017, 9:20 PM

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they know

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:20 PM

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ah, okay. just checking!

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 9:28 PM

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ads need to refresh every 90 seconds, that is normal and a big way of how the site makes money

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this may be confused with a loading issue where ads continuously loaded in the background and caused lag - that isn't intended

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:29 PM

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that 2nd thing might be what i'm thinking of

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if i stay on any given page i'll see requests now and again to load something like jkalsdds.g00.wowhead.com for a few seconds

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is that the 2nd thing? 😮

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 9:29 PM

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there's been a lot of misinformation spread in various forum threads, just trying to clear things up

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:30 PM

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gotcha, and i appreciate it. i've been trying to find info myself and it's like you said

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a lot of what boils down to speculation

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 9:30 PM

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there's a sticky thread on the feedback forums: https://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=260419&p=4030573

Wowhead

[Improvements] Recent Site Stability Issue(s)

Hi everyone, Over the past several months ZAM has been implementing various safeguards on Wowhead to prevent bad advertisements from having any substantial imp…

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:30 PM

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i figured i'd come on here to get the low-down from the people that would have real info

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 9:30 PM

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if something is loading in the background now and then it's ok. if something is continually loading, it seems like an ad is fighting with the site, usually a flash ad, and we're trying to stop being served them

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We also set a system up where if your'e on the page long enough (I think an hour) you stop getting refreshes every 90 sec

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:31 PM

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hm, i see

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i see that post is from 11 days ago and i think i installed ublock origin extra before then, so i guess any changes since then i wouldn't have noticed

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i'll disable ad blockers for now and report back if i find things are better/worse

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thanks for the info!

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 9:33 PM

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Sounds good. Although in staff testing, we periodically get the flash ads popping up even with ad blocker off. The best thing you can do is go to feedback > bad advertisement on the top right of any page when you encounter an ad that you think is looking weird. That will generate data that will help us target and hopefully get the ad provider to remove the ad

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 9:36 PM

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one thing i'm sure you guys were aware of but i'm gonna put my money on users not aware (especially those critical of the site) was it seems ads and some connection requests seem tied to what browser the site is being used on? in addition to ad blockers (correct me if i'm wrong)

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i wasn't aware of that myself until a few days ago but i don't know all the tech behind it. kind of going off something i read and i'm not sure if erroneous or not

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it might be why some users report problems and others do not?

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on a sidenote, i've had the main page open since i said i'd try it out. so far ads refresh about every 90 seconds or so. nothing annoying so far or particularly lag-worthy

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the issue i had described earlier with [gibberish].g00.wowhead.com is no longer present

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yay!

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on a completely unrelated note, i did notice about 2 days ago that certain achievements seem like they can't be linked properly in game from using the in game link provided on pages

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it seems tied to if the achivement is part of an on-going series of achievements and you've earned achievements after that

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i.e., the one where you need 2 professions at 450 skill but your latest one is for both at 700

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it's impossible in-game to link the 450 skill one from the achievement menu but when you use the in-game link on pages, you get the link to click on and linking that into a whisper or guild chat or what have you results in it just not appearing

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not really game-breaking or anything, just thought i'd point it out

tawny blade Feb 28, 2017, 10:15 PM

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thanks for the feedback on the achievements, we have a lot going on getting data ready for 7.2 but we'll see if we can address it at some point

teal dragon Feb 28, 2017, 10:22 PM

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Nergal: just so you know the g00 is only encountered when running adblockers, it's our ad intergrity system, it's not inherently bad.. nor is the 90 second refresh rate. But, after a refresh it's possible you encounter a bad ad which bogs the page down, in which case reporting via Feedback -> Bad Advertisement can help us find it and remove it, like Perculia said. I'm glad things have improved though, appreciate you reaching out! 😃

final minnow Feb 28, 2017, 10:23 PM

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glad to help!

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also appreciate the timely responses

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also i guess just for note keeping for you guys regarding the cheevo thing, i found that this script works on a, uh, rival site lol

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/script _=GetAchievementLink(735);print('Shift click to link:', _)

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where as wowhead uses:

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/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cffffff00\124Hachievement:735:"..UnitGUID("player")..":0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Working Day and Night]\124h\124r");

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the 1st one does end up linking the toon and date info, whereas the wowhead one comes up blank and justs lists the cheevo, but is unlinkable

knotty patrol Mar 1, 2017, 4:28 AM

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guys how long them resets last?

coral flint Mar 1, 2017, 4:28 AM

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I answered in #retail-wow

nocturne ether Mar 2, 2017, 2:27 AM

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Hey, was trying to figure out an easy 4 toys to get to goet my 300 achievement, and I noticed that the Profiler tool has tabs for mount and quests and achieves but not toys? is that right? Am I missing an option somewhere or is it not possible to view your toy collection?

Additionally, is it possible for future iterations of the profilers to track our appearance collections?

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 2:28 AM

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You'd have to submit a toy collection via ingame data. the armoury doesn't carry that info

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idk if the wowhead uploader addon grabs that info

potent fog Mar 2, 2017, 2:29 AM

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Was about to say that.

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 2:29 AM

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The armoury needs an update for that though. >.>

nocturne ether Mar 2, 2017, 2:29 AM

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i figure getting perc and crew to pull that info via the wowhead uploader is probably more achievable <.<

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 2:30 AM

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yeah, you can set up toys here https://www.wowhead.com/help=profiler#profiler-advanced-tracking-toys-heirlooms-etc

Wowhead

Profiler

The Wowhead Profiler is a full-featured system that represents an entirely new phase in Wowhead's development. Using the Profiler, you can access all of your Armory information in an elegant, Wowhead-style tabbed interface, upload completion data with the Wowhead Client to check your character's completed archaeology projects and more!

nocturne ether Mar 2, 2017, 2:30 AM

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awesome! thanks :D

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wasnt able to figure it out on my own

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any chance of wardrobe tracking in the future? maybe by 7.2? 😉

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 2:33 AM

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I thought I remember they had it actually. Could be mistaken. O.o

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 2:33 AM

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we do but not artifacts https://www.wowhead.com/wardrobe

Wowhead

Wardrobe - World of Warcraft

Load your Wardrobe of all Transmog items and see what you're missing and where to collect them.

nocturne ether Mar 2, 2017, 2:34 AM

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bah, have an answer to all of my questions prepared D:

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you guys are the best have a pepe pepetransparent

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 2:35 AM

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artifacts aren't added to the transmog tab is why^ also
at least not yet. Soon™

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they have variables dependent upon obtaining the artifact. You could grab info for them though

potent fog Mar 2, 2017, 2:35 AM

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Expect them in 8.0

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 3:32 AM

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So we made a front page post about a domain acting maliciously to wowhead. wanted to put it on the front page because it's really serious and we're waiting on 3rd parties to help us: https://www.wowhead.com/news=260729/warning-wowhead-search-results-maliciously-targeted-by-wow-eden

Wowhead

Warning: Wowhead Search Results Maliciously Targeted by WoW Eden

Over the past few months, Wowhead has been the target of a malicious campaign by the WoW Eden domain. As WoW Eden's actions present Wowhead in an inaccurate poor light, we have been taking steps to escalate this issue to the appropriate representatives, and wanted to inform our users of the situation in this post.

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We thought we'd have gotten a reply or help by now, we've known about it for a while...but we haven't, so we need to let users know. hopefully not very many trolls 😦

potent fog Mar 2, 2017, 3:51 AM

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Why there's no wowhead on [Calamity's Edge] search results? On the first page I only see an outfit link instead of the item DB

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 3:54 AM

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that's a good question actually... I'm not seeing it either... ._.

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 3:54 AM

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because the link explains

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they have hijacked the search listing

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so you see it instead of wowhead

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regardless of where wowhead is on the page

potent fog Mar 2, 2017, 3:55 AM

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o_O? They can actually do that? WTF...

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 3:59 AM

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just wondering, have you guys considered making a post on reddit about it? I know it's kind of weird to be trying to "promote" yourselves on there but it's a different kind of issue that a lot of people use. ._.

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 4:04 AM

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someone brought it to their attention a few weeks ago and I mostly received harassment

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and 'you deserve this'

coral flint Mar 2, 2017, 4:05 AM

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._.

dense perch Mar 2, 2017, 4:08 AM

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holy COW the stuff you guys have to deal with.

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hugs and 's all around

dusty narwhal Mar 2, 2017, 5:31 AM

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It's pretty trashy what some keyboard warriors with sticks in odd places come out and say out of jealousy.

lucid bobcat Mar 2, 2017, 12:44 PM

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It seems wow eden only targets items

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I always google "<quest name> wowhead" and never had any issue with them

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However when you type the name of an item instead, no wowhead link indeed

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 1:54 PM

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we've seen it pop up for other things (example- priest class mount has a wow eden spoof of the wowhead article for last week)

lucid bobcat Mar 2, 2017, 6:30 PM

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http://www.wowhead.com/news=260754/hunter-tier-20-armor-preview-wildstalker-armor @tawny blade would it be possible to have aT6/T20 side by side comparison like in the other articles?

Wowhead

Hunter Tier 20 Armor Preview - Wildstalker Armor

Model preview of the Hunter Tier 20 armor set from Tomb of Sargeras, a high-definition version of the Gronnstalker Tier 6 set from Black Temple.

tawny blade Mar 2, 2017, 6:31 PM

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yeah, it was just taking a few min to generate

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images are up now

lucid bobcat Mar 2, 2017, 6:34 PM

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Thanks

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This might not be finished I believe, the skulls on the gauntlets have yellow glowing eyes while they're blue on every other piece

white tinsel Mar 2, 2017, 11:50 PM

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Has the missing screenshots tool been disabled? http://www.wowhead.com/missing-screenshots Last few times has shown nothing. (which seems unlikely)

Wowhead

Missing Screenshots - Wowhead

Database pages that are missing screenshots, but have at least 1 comment.

potent fog Mar 3, 2017, 12:00 AM

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And this hasn't been updated since early MoP

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teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 12:02 AM

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@white tinsel That has been broken for awhile... it's a known issue but very low priority.

white tinsel Mar 3, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Gotcha.

teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 12:06 AM

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@potent fog That should probably just be removed since it just takes you to the item search page where you can change the drop down box values. Thanks for letting us know that it's outdated though.

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Also likely to be pretty low priority.

lucid bobcat Mar 3, 2017, 2:06 AM

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Is there a video or article about all balance of power skins?

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Also if I search for "balance of power" on wowhead and click on "guides", it reloads the page but with "balance" as the sole keyword and thus gives wrong results

teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 2:08 AM

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Are you running an AdBlocker?

lucid bobcat Mar 3, 2017, 2:09 AM

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Yup but it's deactivated for the websites I visit the most

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Wait

teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 2:09 AM

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It may still be interferring. I've had a couple reports via feedback that were resolved when it was disabled. :\

lucid bobcat Mar 3, 2017, 2:09 AM

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Disabled it entirely and the search engine works

teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 2:09 AM

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Yea, I have no idea why it's interferring... :\

lucid bobcat Mar 3, 2017, 2:09 AM

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whitelisting should've been enough i believe

potent fog Mar 3, 2017, 2:11 AM

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I think so, yes.

dusty wind Mar 3, 2017, 4:26 AM

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Go vocal

tawny blade Mar 3, 2017, 5:00 AM

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Sorry, not sure what this is about?

shell bear Mar 3, 2017, 5:02 AM

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umm

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Perculia

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this might be off topic

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but can you send me the Emoji

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used for

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Group 1

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and Group 2

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Voice Channels

coral flint Mar 3, 2017, 5:07 AM

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👥 I think this is it?

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http://emojipedia.org/busts-in-silhouette/

shell bear Mar 3, 2017, 5:07 AM

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thx

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yeah

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I used emojipedia too

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right before you sent it I found it :P

teal dragon Mar 3, 2017, 5:31 AM

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Thank you for help keyboardturner 😃 NyanCat, your name was obscuring some of your text so I renamed you without the special characters on our server. Thank you.

jagged notch Mar 3, 2017, 10:28 PM

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Wowhead weekly today?

tawny blade Mar 3, 2017, 10:36 PM

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yep!

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news is a little slow and panser is going to pax next week, so no show next friday though

jagged notch Mar 3, 2017, 10:37 PM

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Wooo. I'm sure people tell you often, but you do a wonderful job, Perc. Thanks for all the work you put into Wowhead and the community!

tawny blade Mar 3, 2017, 10:39 PM

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thanks 😃

dusty narwhal Mar 3, 2017, 11:31 PM

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Hey guys.. I cannot tell what this picture is on wowhead. I understand the green ethereal part is an owl.. but is it like holding a miniature doomhammer or something?

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https://i.imgur.com/ap5bLRk.png

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all the green in that picture makes it hard to tell what it is right away :/ the only thing I notice is the... tiny doomhammer-like-thing that the bird is.. holding?

coral flint Mar 3, 2017, 11:35 PM

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looks like doomhammer offhand :P

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http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/612867.jpg
"The Leather and Mail effects are particularly interesting, at 5 stacks you turn into a wisp/owl and can fly for a minute!"

dusty narwhal Mar 3, 2017, 11:37 PM

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oh haha, just the positioning of it was confusing.

lucid bobcat Mar 4, 2017, 12:11 AM

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seems like it

tawny blade Mar 4, 2017, 1:01 AM

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yeah, it's a shaman trying out the crafted legendary on ptr

coral flint Mar 4, 2017, 2:05 AM

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In reference to the stanza calendar, I was wondering if perhaps the times could be adjusted perhaps?

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Instead of "full day" it goes to the server reset time or whichever it uses.

teal dragon Mar 4, 2017, 2:09 AM

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This was how it was previously, however, a lot of feedback indicated that it took up way to much of their calendars when an event took up 80% of the day or similar.

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(i.e. Google Calender showed a giant block over almost the entire day for most things. When an event is just listed as 'All day' it gives a simple notice at the top of the day rather than spreading itself all over the time slots of said day).

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Plus, since I have no ability to control the timezone it proves confusing for those outside PST.

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The only one I put a specific time for, at the moment, is Twitch streams.

lucid bobcat Mar 4, 2017, 2:27 AM

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@teal dragon The music used in the model preview videos weirdly isn't listed in the descriptions, would you know which is it? I forgot its name.

teal dragon Mar 4, 2017, 2:28 AM

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I think it's Dwarf Tavern music

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http://www.wowhead.com/sound=11806/zone-taverndwarf01

lucid bobcat Mar 4, 2017, 2:29 AM

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Thanks

teal dragon Mar 4, 2017, 2:29 AM

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yw 😃

rocky acorn Mar 4, 2017, 5:56 PM

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where do I submit suggestions?

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It would be very useful for the transmog community if we could import an item comparison list into the dressing room

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and have it generate the list of items we're transmogging

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basically what this script: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/17882-dressing-room used to do

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sadly it doesnt work anymore 😦

tawny blade Mar 4, 2017, 6:03 PM

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you can email them to feedback@wowhead.com

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what is the benefit of importing item comparison into the dressing room, vs creating it in the dressing room directly?

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is this just for compatibility in case someone creates the outfit in the wrong tool?

rocky acorn Mar 4, 2017, 7:00 PM

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because I don't create the transmogs in the website. I create ingame with MogIt and the addon exports a comparison list (which is easy for the addon because the comparison links use Item IDs)

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back when the greasymonkey script worked, I could create them ingame, copy the comparison link it provided, open the dressing room page and insert the comparison link in an import field. very quick and easy

tawny blade Mar 4, 2017, 10:49 PM

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ah ok, so this would be to have better functionality between Mogit and the Dressing Room

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I'll see if we can do something. the actual item comparison tool doesn't get much traffic next to the dressing room so I wasn't sure at first but that makes more ense

coral flint Mar 5, 2017, 1:20 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2017-03-04-16-19-34.png

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This is why I wanted to have specific times is all, Sas. :p
But I can adjust it not to show when it ends, etc.

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This was just my first event test so far. I put as much info as I could in to see what I needed so it looks spammy but it should only include the Summary as the title, the Wowhead link as the description so it links to wowhead, and the start date, which is... Tomorrow? I think? Idk. :p

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(That's all adjusted on my end)

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You're right though, the times would be pretty confusing. :p

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 1:38 AM

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Yea, unfortunately it's still pretty new and limited. They're trying to branch out though but it started as a calendar for sporting events which didn't need to worry about exceptionally lengthy events and different time zones. If they add additional functionality I'll definitely pursue it.

coral flint Mar 5, 2017, 1:59 AM

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Even then, the time zones would be set to mine if they were adjusted for. 😅

tawny blade Mar 5, 2017, 10:06 PM

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Wowhead's database provider is having some service issues. Working with them to get it restored.

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📎 error2.png

potent fog Mar 5, 2017, 10:28 PM

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What a 2017... I hope you be back soon!

tawny blade Mar 5, 2017, 10:29 PM

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stuff happens. we weren't affected by the amazon outage earlier in the week, which affected other sites for longer periods of time

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 10:30 PM

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Thankfully!

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 10:59 PM

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Maintenance announcement is up now. Still working to restore the site.

rigid sapphire Mar 5, 2017, 11:16 PM

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any ETA?

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 11:20 PM

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Unfortunately no, not yet. It's entirely on a third party service provider right now. We're making sure they understand the urgency and hope to be back soon!

tawny blade Mar 5, 2017, 11:54 PM

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We asked them to fix a less critical issue this morning and specifically told them not to reboot the site as it would cause issues. They rebooted it :/

gray hornet Mar 5, 2017, 11:56 PM

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just popping in to say keep doing work! also hi @teal dragon

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 11:56 PM

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Hi @gray hornet :D

gray hornet Mar 5, 2017, 11:57 PM

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Sounds like some not-so-fun times to be had around wowhead land

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but you guys are the best at what you do, so you got this

teal dragon Mar 5, 2017, 11:58 PM

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Thank you. Appreciate the support!

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 12:16 AM

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This might be a bit random, but I have to put together a presentation for work on how news/content has improved over the years. If anyone has anything obvious they've felt was an improvement, let me know.

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This is separate from features people want added to the site or future improvements 😃 just talking about the past to now

hardy bloom Mar 6, 2017, 12:19 AM

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well the quick bar thing added to the site is pretty great

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 12:21 AM

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you mean the bar on guide navigation?

hardy bloom Mar 6, 2017, 12:25 AM

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yes?

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maybe

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the bar with the shortcuts to popular topics

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like artifact weapons and such

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 12:29 AM

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ya

hardy bloom Mar 6, 2017, 12:29 AM

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yeah

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i like that

cursive lark Mar 6, 2017, 12:54 AM

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wow it has been ages since I've seen that maintenance page 😛

high osprey Mar 6, 2017, 1:17 AM

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same

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 1:51 AM

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The site should be coming back up. If you still see the maintenance page try Ctrl-Shift-R (in Chrome)

queen mist Mar 6, 2017, 2:04 AM

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Yay I see it back up! Was having withdrawls. Thanks for working on getting it back up on your days off!

cursive lark Mar 6, 2017, 2:05 AM

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"Please wait 1256 seconds before posting again."

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um wat

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so there appears to be an over 20 minute delay on posting again

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 2:24 AM

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Seems to be related to our provider, we're looking at it

tawny blade Mar 6, 2017, 2:55 AM

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It's now working for me

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 3:45 AM

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Is it sorted out for you now @cursive lark ?

cursive lark Mar 6, 2017, 6:38 AM

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apologies, but I went off to play BotW

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lemme test

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functioning fine. Site's a little slow to load, but that's okay.

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 6:41 AM

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Yea, I'm noticing some isolated cache issues, probably related to the outage.

cursive lark Mar 6, 2017, 6:41 AM

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that's about what I suspected.

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it tends to be like this after outages

stark orbit Mar 6, 2017, 8:09 AM

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When we get the premium service on wowhead when do we get that um title? On discord?

lyric vault Mar 6, 2017, 8:09 AM

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http://www.wowhead.com/tailoring-spells/legion-patterns#0+1+17

Is it just me or....?

📎 unknown.png

Wowhead

Tailoring Patterns: Legion Patterns

A complete searchable and filterable list of Tailoring Patterns: Legion Patterns in World of Warcraft: Legion. Always up to date with the latest patch (7.1.5).

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question marks instead correct icons, but tooltip links works fine
FF 51 here, but got the same problem in MS Edge

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 8:23 AM

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Yeah, it's a cache issue. Should start clearing up throughout the day though.

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I just forced a server refresh, go ahead and refresh your page, should be back to normal.

lyric vault Mar 6, 2017, 8:24 AM

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@teal dragon thank you so much, it's fixed

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 8:25 AM

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I won't be here in a few hours but if you see any others before then, let me know 😃

nocturne ether Mar 6, 2017, 7:22 PM

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my dumb question of the week: Is it still possible to access the today in draenor page somewhere? I poked around and couldnt figure it out

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 7:22 PM

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http://www.wowhead.com/world-quests/na
http://www.wowhead.com/world-quests/eu

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oh, wait, Draenor lol

nocturne ether Mar 6, 2017, 7:23 PM

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yea

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apparently i never, not even once, finished harrison jones

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 7:23 PM

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No, we couldn't continue supporting it due to a lack of users with the Wowhead Client accessing it each week.

nocturne ether Mar 6, 2017, 7:23 PM

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ah ok

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 7:23 PM

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The data wasn't reliable or couldn't be displayed.

nocturne ether Mar 6, 2017, 7:23 PM

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that makes sense

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thanks :)

teal dragon Mar 6, 2017, 8:13 PM

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FYI: We are aware some pages don't fully load or return 404's. It seems to be random pages, not all affected, we're working on it though. Thank you!

sturdy meteor Mar 7, 2017, 1:19 AM

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Just wanna say I appreciate all the work yall at wowhead do and to keep up the good work :). Yall dont deserve whatever crap is being thrown at ya lately =/

analog widget Mar 8, 2017, 11:57 PM

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In the Ban-Lu post: https://www.wowhead.com/news=260986/monk-class-mount-and-quest-ban-lu-grandmasters-companion under the Class Pet header, it's listed as:
"When you complete Power Ascended on either of the Monk spec artifacts..."
which one was forgotten?

hardy bloom Mar 8, 2017, 11:58 PM

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either can be used on more than 2

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either X, Y, or Z

analog widget Mar 8, 2017, 11:59 PM

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while that's true, either is typically used with two options, which is where my brain immediately jumped to

hardy bloom Mar 9, 2017, 12:00 AM

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it was probably a typo

void rock Mar 9, 2017, 3:25 AM

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How can I get my premium role on here? I'm premium on the site and have my bnet linked to both. 😃

potent fog Mar 9, 2017, 3:26 AM

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Check #welcome-rules

teal dragon Mar 9, 2017, 8:03 AM

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Hi @void rock please follow the instructions in #welcome-rules Thank you!

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 8:31 AM

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If anyone has been curious what happened to the Wowhead ad-related thread on Reddit, it seems it was taken down. We left a reply on our forums on the result of the OP's conversation with the creators of StanzaCal. It looks like the OP's issue stemmed from something on StanzaCal and is separate from the lag we are still addressing: https://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=259186&p=4034806#p4034806

Wowhead

StanzaCal - New Calendar/Ad Partnership

Hey everyone, We've added a new type of calendar, with some built in ad-functionality, at the bottom of database, guide, and news pages. This calendar of upcom…

coral flint Mar 9, 2017, 9:32 AM

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I saw a lot of witch-hunt stuff going on basically and your comment which got downvoted into oblivion and called "rude"... for some reason? tbh I didn't see what the problem was with it though.

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I was going to mention the thread to you but decided not to because it'd only cause a headache.. then scrolled through and then saw you replied. :p

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kind of wish the original text wasn't deleted so I could at least reference back to it tbh :I

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:52 AM

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It seemed like the person didn't like panser, and I didn't reply apologizing for her calling out the bad behavior of people who maliciously report wowhead to google

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guy was like 'see I was useful, please stop panser ranting'

coral flint Mar 9, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Not that I agree with him, but isn't she just the video manager / a part of WW? I thought she was more freelance or whatever. sorry I don't follower her that closely so idk :p

pliant hill Mar 9, 2017, 2:23 PM

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who on earth can hate panser

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she is such a lovely girl/woman

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 2:49 PM

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Hello. I am the OP of that reddit thread. I had initial contact with StanzaCal but contrary to your forum post, we did not 'mutually decide' on anything, we are scheduled to have a chat at some point today

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 2:52 PM

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"I'm the founder of Stanza and Steph forwarded me the Reddit link. I took a look at the post and we've communicated with the OP. He's made it clear in his posts and DMs that it is not StanzaCal but the Monkey Broker ad on the page that is slowing down the page. We've notified Monkey Broker about this and have received the usual response of - it must be a rogue ad.

There is no difference in setup of the ads on your pages and StanzaCal. Nor is there any significant slowdown unless there is a rogue ad but like you guys, we don't have much control over those ads. In the short term, we have switched over t"

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 2:53 PM

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"The StanzaCal team contacted the OP directly to discuss it and mutually agreed that StanzaCal itself is not the underlying problem as originally suggested."

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 2:53 PM

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The Stanza Cal widget is maintained by Stanza Cal, including the ad unit embedded in calendars.

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The ad unit is not picked by Stanza Cal

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It's not due to implementation of StanzaCal

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 2:55 PM

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I know. The post never said it was due to the way StanzaCal is implemented. I specifically pointed out it's two instances of the ad framework running in memory

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 2:55 PM

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The lag is due to Flash Ads which we've explained in a stickied thread which is taking longer to solve

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StanzaCal encountered a rogue ad. This is not the underlying, regular cause of the lag

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 2:55 PM

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You are incorrect.

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It is not one rogue ad, it is not the StanzaCal page, it's the interaction of the multiple ad framworks and I am scheduled to chat with them to discuss various ways to improve performance later today

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But we have not "mutually agreed" on anything yet

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 2:57 PM

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The performance issues started before we implemented StanzaCal on Wowhead

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 2:57 PM

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I know

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I specifically started my post out with pointing out people's claims that it got worse in the last few weeks

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and then went into why

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not that it went from 0 to lag

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Nor that stanzacal is the cause of all of it

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 2:58 PM

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We have actually not gotten an increase in reports

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This includes our staff testing and external reports

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:00 PM

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It was pointed out last week by 2 people on your forums that StanzaCal module was having some issues and when they blocked it in their hosts file, it improved some, and it was dismissed

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I realize we don't care for each other but I am trying to help

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:00 PM

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If by dismissed you mean I told people to contact StanzaCal

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Who checks in frequently

coral flint Mar 9, 2017, 3:01 PM

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Is that why I got flash block notifications from my FlashControl extension despite having premium? It's from Stanza? :o

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:01 PM

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Nope

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Stanza doesn't load for premium

coral flint Mar 9, 2017, 3:02 PM

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ah nvm then >.<

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I've been trying to figure out why I get 1 flash item blocked every page

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never paid it much attention other than that though

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:03 PM

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You can file a report to feedback with the info on what's blocked, if it's not affecting performance it will be lower priority for us to look into

coral flint Mar 9, 2017, 3:03 PM

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I notice no difference, idk what it is so....

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:06 PM

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Anyway when Bonsai logs on I'm going to work with him and see what we can figure out. I am genuinely sorry for the problems you have been experiencing with Woweden and the claims of malware. I have little faith in filing reports when staff makes statements always saying 'its a rogue ad', or blaming the adblocker, or in this case, making a statement about conclusions i never drew.

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:21 PM

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And last thing. I understand the frustration with the namecalling and feeling ganged up on. There are a few times I have crossed the line as well with sarcasm, for which I apologize. But at the same time, I don't like being lumped in with "harassers", nor do I like namecalling directed at me and others pointing out these problems by someone who toes the line between affiliated and not affiliated with wowhead.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:23 PM

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As I replied in my post, having people target Google or Go Daddy reports is a very serious issue, which sparked the whole weekend discussion. You can see why false reports against Wowhead are frustrating and potentially slowed things down witih WoW Eden as you feel bad about the WoW Eden issue.

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Also I don't see how a post made before your post was lumping you in

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And I find it misleading you edited your OP to say I was bad for telling people with Stanza issues to talk to Stanza (?) but did not mention Stanza contacted you.

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:26 PM

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You claimed there was an ongoing harassment campaign against wowhead citing a general thread I have been very active in, and included the mvps posting in the thread who specifically were telling people it was not a malware issue as 'participating in harassment'

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And your video manager went off on "cock nachos" complaining about anything on the site instead of paying

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:27 PM

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Yes, there is an ongoing harassment campaign against the site and lots of misinformation.

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Threads urging people to report Wowhead to Google for malware is not good

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Downvote conspiracies are not good

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:29 PM

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Agreed. Neither is telling people that it's individual rogue ads or that it's their adblockers causing performance issues when technical information has been provided multiple times in the past saying that isn't the case or does not address the entire problem.

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And for my part I have been specifically telling people to not make malware complaints without proof because the issue is performance, not ads "serving ransomware"

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But so were the MVPs and former MVPs in that thread and yet they were lumped in with "harassers"

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:30 PM

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We have evidence that adblockers do cause performance issues. We've addressed issues with people being logged out in the last week and layout issues. People using several at once can do weird things to the site.

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The former MVP is telling people to report Wowhead to Google as malware. Which you just said you were against lol

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 3:31 PM

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I have a phone call but I will be back in about 15. If that's the case, and you can cite it, I will say something to them

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 3:32 PM

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I tweeted a link to the general compendium which had a screenshot of how to report Wowhead to google and go daddy. Since you are summarizing my responses frequently on GD and referred to panser on twitter you must have seen it

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I am not engaging further because I'm uncomfortable having my words twisted on GD. I've seen you've already made a post under an alt name.

modest pollen Mar 9, 2017, 4:02 PM

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Well I am going to continue working with Stanza when they contact me, I do wish to see Wowhead succeed. I don't feel I have twisted anything (or tried to hide my identity), but I do feel I have had my own words twisted. Have a good day.

scarlet flame Mar 9, 2017, 4:31 PM

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Sounding so accusitory in any of these post from anyone doesnt make the situation better.. or even begins to resolve it. (This is a general statment btw & no intention on offending anyone)

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:07 PM

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Whoa what happened here. Actually, I would like to see the evidence. Would save me a lot of time on information gathering.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:21 PM

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Silairya made a reddit thread on a potential ad issue. We got Silairya in touch with StanzaCal, and based on StanzaCal's reply to Wowhead, we thought the issue was resolved. It seems Silairya is talking more with them, which was not conveyed to Wowhead (see email I posted). The Reddit thread turned into a lot of namcalling and hate where misinformation spread and now there is a sticky about proper ways to communicate. As for GD, there are posts like this in a 'wowhead compendium sticky' and various malware rumors. https://twitter.com/perculia/status/838440296484515840

Twitter

@perculia

Data Hunter Perculia

Thought if Blizzard expanded a thread cap there wouldn't be duplicate threads, but here's another thread https://t.co/KTaHda0ZDk

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As Silairya is active in the GD thread which has some behavior issues, it is difficult to communicate openly and wonder if it will show up misconstrued there, based on past experience with others. We are happy they are in touch with StanzaCal and hopefully we can get an update as to the situation. We still think people contacting feedback@wowhead.com is best vs reddit so we can address the actual issue instead of other people stopping by to insert slurs and threats.

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:25 PM

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That would be best, but Reddit has basically become the best way to garner any attention, almost regardless of how good the feedback system is for a given site, game, etc.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:26 PM

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The mods had to lock the thread because it got vulgar

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And they had no time to moderate it. Once more mods were around they unlocked it and moderated more, but the damage was done

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5yezx1/on_wowhead_posts/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=wow This is their thoughts

On wowhead posts • r/wow

For those who are out of the loop: * wowhead has issues with advertisements, and they continue to struggle with problems. * The long history of...

tidal brook Mar 9, 2017, 9:27 PM

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i have adblock plus and the ublocker origin, does running both cause issues between them in relation to whatever issues are currently being talked about here as i have 0 idea whats going on, ive been out of the loop

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:28 PM

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I'd recommend choosing one and running that. The features are a little redundant.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:28 PM

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This is our thoughts on the main lag issue: https://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=260419&p=4033502

Wowhead

[Improvements] Site Stability / Flash Issue(s)

Hi everyone, Over the past several months ZAM has been implementing various safeguards on Wowhead to prevent bad advertisements from having any substantial imp…

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We've had issues where people using 3-4 ad blocks have other performance issues like they get logged out or various site elements don't load, they conflict with each other

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But I don't think they naturally cause the issue

tidal brook Mar 9, 2017, 9:30 PM

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would randomly being logged out of wow head at times be part of this cause thats happened to me a few times as well, i havent had any lag when viewing different web pages tho from firefox 51.0.1

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:30 PM

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It might be but intermittent logout issues are unrelated to lag

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:30 PM

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That's happened for a long time - even before the whole bad ads thing.

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It's kind of random, but I guess a generic "cache issue" answer is probably a good fit.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:31 PM

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We're trying to resolve a conflict with flash ads specifically making a subset of wowhead users lag

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:31 PM

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As a general rule, checking to stay logged in will at least keep logged into Wowhead longer.

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No guarantees after a few days though.

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Incidentally, I recommend Ublock over Adblock.

wicked sierra Mar 9, 2017, 9:32 PM

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Wowhead

Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

Add items or item sets to a table to compare stats, including support for stat weights.

tidal brook Mar 9, 2017, 9:33 PM

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well for me i have the remember me/stay logged in box thing selected and ive noticed as of the last week or so, ive had to continuously check the accept/okay box on the adobe flash pop up and then the allow& remember button as well on every single wowhead page i go to. or every time i tab back to wowhead.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:33 PM

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you can go to the item page, and the select version area and change the ilvls and get it there

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each version generates a different URL

wicked sierra Mar 9, 2017, 9:33 PM

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Is there a way to get it all at once? I want to do this for every item off every boss. That would be super time consuming.

lucid bobcat Mar 9, 2017, 9:35 PM

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Seems like this is helping people https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5yezx1/on_wowhead_posts/depi21m/

On wowhead posts • r/wow

I have a Wowhead tab permanently pinned in Firefox. I get 3 things showing blocked in Ublock Origin. d3pkae9owd2lcf.cloudfront.net and...

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:36 PM

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I remember when aphoenix got fed up with the posts the other day lol

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but really though, the thread was kinda needed, considering complaining about something like Titanforging is really just complaining about an in-game system or maybe some general state of the game (like its social aspects), but complaining about a site and the people who run it - doesn't lead to good times I say, so it does need some heavier moderation.

tawny blade Mar 9, 2017, 9:37 PM

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Yep, and it takes away time from regular work or trying to address the issue

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And it's not good communication. If I see a regular poster from a thread that's toxic, I'm going to be more hesitant to interact, eg am I signing myself up for really nasty replies

cursive lark Mar 9, 2017, 9:40 PM

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Well no worries, my hobby is to delve into toxic waste dumps. I've been trying to find a way to distill the not-so-well-written feedback into something useful.

wicked sierra Mar 9, 2017, 9:43 PM

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Still tinkering, it seems this is not possible. The only way would be to go item by item as @tawny blade said, which is just not practical.

wicked sierra Mar 9, 2017, 10:28 PM

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BTW, figured it out. You can build you own urls and use bonus variables 1487,1492,1497,etc. With the item IDs and a spreadsheet, it's rather easy.

analog widget Mar 10, 2017, 2:57 AM

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<@&107470849447034880>

crystal olive Mar 10, 2017, 2:57 AM

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ty

coral flint Mar 10, 2017, 3:40 AM

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RIP in peace whatever that was lol

potent fog Mar 10, 2017, 3:40 AM

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Spam from a "Store"

coral flint Mar 10, 2017, 4:04 AM

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Oh, so I can buy WoW characters and gold!? :^D

potent fog Mar 10, 2017, 4:04 AM

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Kinda

snow brook Mar 10, 2017, 4:46 AM

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👋

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paladin

tawny blade Mar 10, 2017, 5:42 AM

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📎 harass.png

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Why sometimes I'm not in a great mood...

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It's not just listening to reports about ads or site feedback, it's wondering if it's going to turn into...that...and then filtering it out

plucky fractal Mar 10, 2017, 5:54 AM

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that sucks that you have to put up with crap like that

coral flint Mar 10, 2017, 6:03 AM

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the hell O.o

tidal brook Mar 10, 2017, 6:15 AM

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o.o its just sad people cant let other people who have jobs on interwebs lead seperate lives from their personal lives when not working. what someone does offline shouldnt be any of someone elses business 😦

lament nexus Mar 10, 2017, 7:26 AM

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What the actual freaking heck is that tweet.

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You should never have to deal with that kind of stuff, that person is such poison. Hoping you feel better soon.

coral flint Mar 11, 2017, 2:12 AM

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<@&107470849447034880> guess who's back again? :^)

snow brook Mar 11, 2017, 2:13 AM

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👋

coral flint Mar 11, 2017, 2:13 AM

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Rest in Peaces

teal dragon Mar 11, 2017, 4:56 AM

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In response to the recent escalation of spammers I've increased our security level to Medium. If necessary I'll consider moving to High but we'll see what impact this has, if any. Thank you.

coral flint Mar 11, 2017, 4:23 PM

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<@&107470849447034880> paladin

snow brook Mar 11, 2017, 4:23 PM

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👋

potent fog Mar 11, 2017, 9:19 PM

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again? omg

strange wasp Mar 12, 2017, 11:46 PM

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I've updated my account to Premium; wanted to show our support. Thank you for everything you all do. We rely on your guides heavily at WoW Challenges and even personally for my own adventures in azeroth. 😃

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Keep up the great work!

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Although, I do not know how to associate this account with my wowhead account to join the WoWhead premium list.

snow brook Mar 12, 2017, 11:47 PM

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@strange wasp If you're a Premium user on Wowhead please send @teal dragon a private message requesting an add to that role here on Discord. Please provide your exact Wowhead name and associated email address when doing so.

strange wasp Mar 12, 2017, 11:47 PM

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ah okay! Will do. Many thanks 😃

snow brook Mar 12, 2017, 11:48 PM

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No problem (>^.^)>

strange wasp Mar 13, 2017, 12:19 AM

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woot. Nice shiny new orange coat. Thank you again and keep up the great work 😃

dusty narwhal Mar 13, 2017, 1:25 AM

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😄

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:13 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/account=premium#todayinwow hmmmm I feel like this shall be updated or erased

Wowhead

Wowhead Account

Log in to your Wowhead Account.

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Today in Draenor tab under Premium Settings

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:15 PM

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What, you don't want to know what's going on today in Draenor? :P

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:17 PM

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I bought premium last year but the renewal date says January 10, 2020
Did you prolong the duration of the premium to the users that pay it before the new price?

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:18 PM

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@potent fog Yes. We proactively adjusted it for anyone who paid the higher price.

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Cause we're greedy SOB's.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:18 PM

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Oh man, you sure rock! I didn't expect that!

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:18 PM

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you do it wrong, you need to take the old price till they cancel and resub

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you still need to learn

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:19 PM

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And the Today in Draenor notifications on that page still function for those who want to use it, which is why we never removed it.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:26 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/ecXJbYk.png
ayy hearthstone ads :p

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the top ad is grey because it was loading in I think

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:27 PM

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you get money for ZAM adds from ZAM but ZAM gets the money cause ZAM is the owner?

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:27 PM

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so far visually and such I don't feel any problems. It doesn't feel laggy, etc.

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:27 PM

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They're called house ads.

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When the ad bidding process finishes with no one winning the spot, we fill the slot with our own ads.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:28 PM

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there were a few video ads I think earlier which could potentially eat up bandwidth and people might get annoyed by that but I don't see them now

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:28 PM

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Video ads are okay. As long as they don't play sound automatically.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:28 PM

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they were silent

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I made sure to hover my mouse over too to see if they tried to auto-enable if I interacted, etc.

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:30 PM

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If you put your mouse on them they're allowed to play audio though. It's when you remove the mouse that they need to shut back up.

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I just had one this morning from Disney that auto played and had no mute or stop button anywhere... I reported it accordingly. Highly irritating.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:31 PM

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Who doesn't want Let It Go screaming in your face for the billionth time? :D

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:31 PM

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from disney? i thought only some strange shady people do that

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:31 PM

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or Disney or +18

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I prefer Disney tbh

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM

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why not 18+ Disney? 😆

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM

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Not all ads intend to be malicious. Some are made to auto play ads, what usually happens is that it was mistakenly mixed in with our ad rotation despite our desire to not have auto playing/audio ads.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM

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to be fair, I've never run into any ads like that. Atm I see hearthead ads tho

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM

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Actually I hate using the word malicious. An auto playing/sound ad isn't "malicious" it's just not desired.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:32 PM

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thoguh... actually.

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I should probably mention, my ISP inputs their own "google ads" in sometimes, which may or may not make my results very different

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technically illegal but... they're the only ISP so

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:33 PM

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If you're seeing house ads a lot then you might just not have any programmatic advertising happening. Like, shopping on Amazon or searching Google, etc. Which is where those ads come from, browsing behavior.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:33 PM

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actually, something that might be happening is that I blocked all tracking too

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I should just try firefox instead. :p

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I have a lot of things like anti-tracking and flashblocks that help optimise browsing for me so I don't have to waste bandwidth on stuff I don't use

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:35 PM

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Yeah, if you're fully blocking tracking that could further result in more house ads.

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See, ad stuff is complicated, ya know? 😄

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:36 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/0PhIe4e.png
:p

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:36 PM

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At least one got through...

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...we're getting there.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:37 PM

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NOW my results are... more normal looking when I disabled the anti-tracker. :p
http://i.imgur.com/xiLK8ZH.png

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:37 PM

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dot dot dot

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:37 PM

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"normal"

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I liked the house ads better. :(

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They fit the theme of the website

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:38 PM

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Same but I think Wowhead prefers not house ads 😛

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:38 PM

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haha, they actually cost us money to run though, nothing comes in from them... well, unless you actually go see normal ads on our other site. Which I'm guess wouldn't happen.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:39 PM

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hm....I'll leave it open for a few minutes but it tends to be cycling through like twice and then stopping?

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:39 PM

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I got 2 betting websites ads 😦 Feels bad but in Spain that sells a lot...

📎 unknown.png

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(The second one is at the top)

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... and Ijust got a video ad WITH AUDIO

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:40 PM

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ayyy black desert online ads

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:40 PM

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Already reported and feedbacked

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:40 PM

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I dunno why we're so different 😛

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:40 PM

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Refreshing should be once every 90 seconds, ish, at most. It's sometimes different in other countries.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:41 PM

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I got it again :/

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:41 PM

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Are you reporting with Feedback -> Bad Ad?

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Or just clicking 'Report Ad' /

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:41 PM

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I did both

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:41 PM

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ah got it: "VIDEO WITH AUDIO, WAS SCARING D:"

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:41 PM

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I got it again man 😦

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yeah it was, loud and a gore movie

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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o.o

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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Takes a while to load and when it does... loud noises

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coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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my ads are very very tame lol

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Pandora, Black Desert, etc.

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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That's an ad that failed to load. Not good for us but not inherently a problem.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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Is the video ad I was talking about

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Takes a while to load

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:42 PM

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Oh, right, kk

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can you right click it and Inspect

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:43 PM

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I think the url was something secure aax or somthing like that, I lost it sorry

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:43 PM

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No worries, story of my life.

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Even when I find one it's often gone before I can narrow it down fast enough.

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Either way, the ad team gets the reports, can hopefully find it.

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Okay so, as annoying as the sound ads are, my main goal was to determine if people find the site running fine even with the ads.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:44 PM

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I got it 😄 what do you need?

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Right click says powered by someone

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JWPlayer

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Let me use F12..

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Chrome/FF?

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Chrome

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Do you know how to Inspect elements?

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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yeah I do

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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Inspect the ad block

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then screenshot the highlighted portion and as much as you can from above it

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:46 PM

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Couldn't :/ website refreshed w/out my action

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:46 PM

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That happens after ~90 seconds.

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:\ It's okay, I appreciate the effort.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:47 PM

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I wil get it agait, don't worry, looks like is on my loop haha

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:47 PM

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Yeah I had an add for nearly two weeks once that we couldn't seem to get rid of that haunted me.

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:48 PM

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"dont worry, i will be permanentley annoyed by that add you want to get rid off"

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:48 PM

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We have over a dozen different ad networks at work, and, well... that one ad can be running on all of them. When that happens it takes awhile to get fully rid of it. :\

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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You need that?

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:49 PM

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Actually I need more of what's above it.

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I'll give you an example

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When you 'Inspect' an ad, you scroll up until you find green text like that.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:49 PM

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Ok

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yeah, I have it, let me get the add again xD

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:50 PM

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That gives us fairly specific info to hopefully get it removed.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:50 PM

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heart

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:50 PM

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the comment

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:50 PM

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teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:50 PM

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That's the auto play sound video?

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:51 PM

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Yep, 3 diferent ads for now but all croped and with sound

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:51 PM

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Okay, I'll pass that specific data long. Thank you!

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:51 PM

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So I guess are from the same pack

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Croped

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viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 6:52 PM

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the hell is with spain adds!

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:52 PM

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TV ad embed on a website but croped instead of resized, very odd

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:52 PM

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could be your ISP injecting ads maybe?

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:52 PM

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Can it be?

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:53 PM

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when they do that, the ads don't fit correctly. Idk though, hard to tell off a screenshot

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could just be a lazy ad

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A lot of people could actually be experiencing that and blaming wowhead I imagine. Not a majority, but it's definitely something that'd happen in the US more than other.... normal... countries...

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:56 PM

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We're blamed for anything... the perception is that since it was displayed on our site it's our fault. I don't entirely disagree with that but it's complicated, so complicated it's difficult to try and fully explain without being dismissed near immediately for not "accepting blame".

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Most think if we just change ad providers, or ad networks it'll fix the problem... it's not that quick & easy but OMG I wish it was.

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Right now though, the change made today was just to make sure ads on the site aren't conflicting with the site itself... which was causing performance issues. Ads can be annoying, some go outside the boundaries we've set, but is the page loading okay? Can you scroll and use the site without the page getting bogged down and/or crashing? That's what we're aiming for at the moment. 😃

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 6:58 PM

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I could, yeah

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I disabled ads again tho, I'll wait a bit to avoid the sound ad ^^"

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:59 PM

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So, I have about 5 tabs open, the longer the page is open the higher the chance of performance issues. So far, so good.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 6:59 PM

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I've been having no problems with that, but again I might be having ISP-injected ads :p
I did have issues earlier this week and noticable performance drops, but now definitely it's better than before

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 6:59 PM

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Yeah no problem Intervencion 😃

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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How do you difference a inject ad from ISP from a website ad?

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 7:02 PM

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I've never heard of an ISP injected ad until just now actually.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:02 PM

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The ads will look weird or something of the sort usually is a first sign... and yeah it's a prevalent thing in where I live.

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 7:02 PM

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That doesn't mean it doesn't exist... just that I'd never heard of it.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:02 PM

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I live in an area with 1 dominant ISP with no control on it

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$200 a month for 5 Mb/s internet :p

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 7:03 PM

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/gasp

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:03 PM

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At least it doesn't have a data cap. :^)

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 7:03 PM

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where are you living?! alaska!

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:03 PM

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Yep. :D

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It's technically illegal as I said before :p

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or at least... it's "legal" but not for them basically because... reasons™

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I'm trying to find a good article that eplains it well. :p

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@potent fog https://thehackernews.com/2016/02/china-hacker-malware.html
Maybe this?
It's more about China which notoriously has like.. worst case scenario stuff besides North Korea but... yeah.

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 7:10 PM

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2 complicated for me 😄 haha, thanks you tho man

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:16 PM

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If I had the kind of money to be able throw at creating my own service to provide to people legitimately, I would. But unfortunately, that'd require also laying down new fiber optic cable, etc. Which is crazy expensive for maybe at most 30,000 people in my general area. ._.

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and "general" is a very large radius of like a hundred miles

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 7:17 PM

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well, here in spain fiber wires and copper wires are by law public so every ISP can use them
Also #no-wow-discussion I guess

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 7:17 PM

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sure :p

lucid bobcat Mar 13, 2017, 8:00 PM

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So I re-enabled uBlock Origin for wowhead for testing and though there's no video appearing anywhere on the page there's still the audio

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 8:00 PM

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Maybe bottom?

lucid bobcat Mar 13, 2017, 8:01 PM

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Nowhere! The ad bar on the right was blocked for example so it was clearly working, but the video's audio was still there

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 8:21 PM

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This is WITH an adblocker? That can make it somewhat harder to troubleshoot. Sounds like the adblocker is blocking only some of the ad. An auto sound ad isn't permitted on the site but they do happen... I've been tracking one all morning actually. Working on narrowing it down to get removed.

plucky fractal Mar 13, 2017, 8:57 PM

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@tawny blade There's a grammar error in the news pop-up regarding the HotS/WoW mount action. 'Heores' > 'Heroes'.

lucid bobcat Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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The first three steps for the demon hunter havoc hidden artifact weapon are useless here http://www.wowhead.com/artifact-weapons-hidden-appearances-guide#demon-hunter

Wowhead

Hidden Artifact Weapon Appearances and Effects

Unlocking hidden appearances and effects for Artifact Weapons for all specs for the Hidden Potential Achievement. Includes images of all weapon models.

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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I'll take care of it.

lucid bobcat Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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You only need to glide from Dalaran and get to the mob

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No need to farm endlessly for a necklace or whatever (tagging @teal dragon )

plucky fractal Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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Thanks perc!

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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or Perc already did lol

tawny blade Mar 13, 2017, 8:58 PM

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ugh one blizzard post says heroes ends march 14th...another blizzard post says march 13...

plucky fractal Mar 13, 2017, 8:59 PM

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Might be region related

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 8:59 PM

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It's 13th for 22 hours here and I could complete the quest so I expect it to end 14th

tawny blade Mar 13, 2017, 8:59 PM

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the one linked in the launcher says 14th so I'll go with that

viscid heart Mar 13, 2017, 8:59 PM

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eu,us,cn,tn,moon?

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 9:00 PM

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This is one of those times where I wish events had actual count down times or something.

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Like, ends in 8 hours.

coral flint Mar 13, 2017, 9:00 PM

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^

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 9:01 PM

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Seems save to say though:

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plucky fractal Mar 13, 2017, 9:01 PM

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Battle.net states March 14th

teal dragon Mar 13, 2017, 9:01 PM

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lol but then they add

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to the bottom

tawny blade Mar 13, 2017, 9:07 PM

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20506167/earn-a-new-mount-for-azeroth this was the post that said the 13th

World of Warcraft

Earn a New Mount—For Azeroth! - WoW

For a limited time, play Heroes of the Storm with friends and earn the new Primal Flamesaber Mount in World of Warcraft.

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and on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zoMQUCSrQ

YouTube

World of Warcraft

Earn a New Mount—For Azeroth!

▶ Play video

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...why did blizzard set that video to locked, so confusing

potent fog Mar 13, 2017, 11:16 PM

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https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/841427403704553472

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@BlizzardCS

BlizzardCS

The @BlizzHeroes #ForAzeroth event ends tomorrow! Don't delay: learn about the rewards and how to earn them here: https://t.co/iBYHOEHho6 https://t.co/NRgFBE3xRK

lucid bobcat Mar 14, 2017, 1:05 AM

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Is this in the game @teal dragon ? http://www.wowhead.com/item=124075/illidari-warglaives-update-icon Asking because of the weird name

Wowhead

Illidari Warglaives [update icon]

Illidari Warglaives [update icon] is a quest item. In the Quest Items category. Added in World of Warcraft: Legion. Always up to date with the latest patch.

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Also no mention of where it's found

teal dragon Mar 14, 2017, 1:07 AM

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Sorry I don't know about that particular item.

lucid bobcat Mar 14, 2017, 1:07 AM

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Would you know why the only comment on the page says it was posted in 2015 when the item was added in 7.0 ?

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Or is it possible this was on the PTR and didn't make it to live ?

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 1:09 AM

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it could have been added in the early legion alpha

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which was nov 2015

lucid bobcat Mar 14, 2017, 1:10 AM

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That's what I was thinkig, thanks. Because this item would contradict other canon sources regarding the official timeline, I was checking if it actually was in game or not

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:01 AM

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Man that 10min wait to chat is annoying (but I get why its there.)

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:01 AM

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yeah :/ was a recent addition

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hopefully it can be removed soon

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:02 AM

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I was just talking to you Perc on twitter about audio ads 😃

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found discord link on the site

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:02 AM

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ah cool

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yeah if you scroll up you'll see sas was chatting with people about ads earlier today 😃

potent fog Mar 14, 2017, 6:02 AM

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Today has been a very sound ad huh?I got some too, already reported to Mr Sas

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:02 AM

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Yeah sas replied to my report already

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he's looking into it

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:03 AM

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yeah, when we made our code change earlier today we also noted that we had more sound reports: https://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=260419&p=4035539#p4035539

Wowhead

[Improvements] Site Stability / Flash Issue(s)

Hi everyone, Over the past several months ZAM has been implementing various safeguards on Wowhead to prevent bad advertisements from having any substantial imp…

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figure it's good to post now and then about the ads the staff is finding so people don't think we're not actively looking at the ads

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:03 AM

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(Full disclosure I run ublock origin). But I can't for the life of me see the actual ad on the page

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I only see the "please turn off ad blocker" ones

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:04 AM

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there's an ad at the top, the side, and the bottom

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maybe the one at the bottom caused an issue? or the ad that would have loaded was playing sound. Sometimes weird things can happen with ad blockers or combos of ad blockers (we had an issue where an ad blocker was logging people out a few weeks ago)

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:05 AM

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Yeah I've looked over the whole page, could not see any video or indication of something playing audio.

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The 2 times its happened I've had the page open for along time (Working on fishing artifact)

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:05 AM

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hmm

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:05 AM

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I've only noticed because of the audio thats brought my attention back to the page

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:06 AM

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(also as a side note - ads should stop refreshing after an hour - but if there's an ad blocker, or 3rd party cookies, or incognito mode, we may not be able to track the # of refreshes and they might still load)

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(just wanted to clarify that because we confirmed with the ad provider that the ads should stop after X amount of 90 sec refreshes, and they said it was, but there were some caveats)

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:06 AM

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I use ghostery as well, so that would probably block the cookies

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I used to do web dev (years ago) so I get the caveat

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also used to deal with 3rd party ad providers, so I know its out of your hands

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:08 AM

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yeah it's definitely something we try to improve when we can - we know wowhead has unique user behavior since people usually don't spend hours on other sites, and some parts have heavy traffic but don't monetize well (ie russia)

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:08 AM

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We used to do really dodgy pre-game ads on our counter strike servers (was over-ruled on my objections)

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:09 AM

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hopefully this iframe change fixes the issue where blocked ads trying to constantly refresh, and make people think wowhead tries to load hundreds of ads...then if amazon affiliates gets set up and has decent profits, maybe we can evaluate monetization some more

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:11 AM

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so I feel really bad about this, just saw how much you charge for 1 years access. Signing up now 😃

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(plus I don't get ads anymore!)

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:11 AM

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it's ok - we don't want people to think they need to get premium...or else

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:11 AM

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for sure, I already pay for AMR and curse

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its all part of the family 😃

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:12 AM

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we've had mixed feedback where people that experience the bad ad behavior are uncomfortable witih premium being presented as an option (and it shouldn't be the only option) - and then other people say they don't realize it was $1 and we should promote the price more heavily

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So right now it's in a few tasteful places on the site and the devs are mostly working on 7.2 stuff and trying to pin down the ad performance (or seeing if old site code is conflicting - wowhead is a really old site)

coral flint Mar 14, 2017, 6:13 AM

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It's a seriously small price, but I also do understand why they feel so negative to have the "paid option" be a solution to a potential problem

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:13 AM

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wowhead can't be that old, I remember when it launched.

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I used to use thotbot 😃

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:13 AM

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it's like 12 years old 😛

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we had a 10 year birthday cake at blizzcon

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:13 AM

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your not helping...

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:14 AM

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we've been trying to balance refactoring more with creating new stuff...but with blizzard's constant patch cycle that's kind of tough

warm topaz Mar 14, 2017, 6:14 AM

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for sure, a heap of data to display in meaninful ways is a huge challenge too

tawny blade Mar 14, 2017, 6:15 AM

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yeah plus it changes over the years

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blizzard putting transmog sets in the game means wowhead has to do something fancier, like transmog tracking, to keep driving trafifc to it

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dungeon journal spells and tldrs means we need boss guides

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etc

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the definition of 'meaningful' changes over the years as blizzard absorbs some of the basic functionality of wowhead or cycles out content (ie garrisons)