Well don't run in front of the tank
#no-wow-discussion
undone apex
timber crag
Yeah I'd rather be ignored
dreamy helm
I dont
undone apex
Cool
dreamy helm
In ffxiv to avoid being banned id just blacklist shit players
undone apex
That what triggers me in secs
timber crag
If you're calling someone a fucking moron in content you should get a mute.
dreamy helm
No
timber crag
Yes
timber crag
You're not the arbiter of whether insulting someone is justified
That's why moderation exists
timber crag
Nah. I love it.
undone apex
Well if moderation exist then they go around it to annoy you and trick you into triggering
timber crag
If you're saying shit worth being called out for you should probably reevalute.
dreamy helm
Yeah i love never being able to help someone in a dungeon period cause chances are theyll be a toxic fuck and get me banned
timber crag
Nothing more than fearmongering
timber crag
I played regularly for four years and didnt so much as get a mute and nor have I had any friends see as much
dreamy helm
Then you're lucky
timber crag
It's def fearmongering because no one here knows the context through which your friends were banned
Or what they did
dreamy helm
I do
timber crag
For all we know they were spouting nonsense and you're downplaying what they did
It's probably that in fact
fair gyro
what going on
dreamy helm
Nope
fair gyro
ok?
dreamy helm
The fuck thats not what i need
timber crag
Yuh huh
dreamy helm
Ffxiv needs to chill the fuck out on its moderation team
It goes way far beyond what is acceptae
timber crag
Nah, that was one of my favourite parts of FFXIV as a new player.
No-nonsense moderation.
dreamy helm
They literally actively hurt the games presence on twitch lmao
timber crag
So tired of people on WoW 'just telling it how it is' and 'speaking their mind'.
I don't care lmao.
dreamy helm
All because people get their feelings hurt and be big fucking babies
Whaaa he said something i dont like
Please square ban him
timber crag
If people can't be nice by themselves then you need rules to force them to be nice or not talk to each other at all.
dreamy helm
Whaaaaa
spring heath
I dunno I feel like WoW could use better moderation
dreamy helm
It needs maybe a tiny bit more
timber crag
If your complaint about FFXIV is 'i got in trouble for calling someone a fucking moron' you need to reevaluate
dreamy helm
I mean it doesnt have to be calling them a moron
It could be anything they dont like really
timber crag
Sure, find me a documented example of someone getting banned for saying something that was justifiably rude to someone.
Or wasn't even rude at all.
tough escarp
wth ... the tracker didn't actually brake! ... they took just 45 mins to make my pizza! .. how?
dreamy helm
I ate the pizza
timber crag
I can say 'thats just fearmongering' and you can say 'no it happens!' but the burden of proof is on you to prove that FFXIV overmoderates their game if you're gonna make the claim
undone apex
You could have baked a pizza in that time@tough escarp
Both are possibilities at the end of the day it's still just people
People are asses in masses,
timber crag
Anyone can have a centrist take. That doesn't contribute to any argument.
undone apex
That's the argument it's not is wow more toxic than ff
timber crag
That is the argument.
undone apex
Comparing shit to shit is pretty pointless
timber crag
It is if you already hold the opinion both are shit lmao.
timber crag
But them both being shit aren't facts of life. They're opinions you hold.
timber crag
๐คฆ
undone apex
Archage is toxic
It's not the fucking game
It's the people playing it
And people are fcking people
timber crag
Obviously. But the communities comprise completely different people and 'all people are shit' is not a real argument.
You're arguing ten levels above where you should be and making a dozen assumptions to get to 'both are bad because people are bad'.
undone apex
Well as you talk about ff the dictatorship is the first word that pops in me mind
Stay silent and we will get along.
timber crag
Have you played it?
dreamy helm
every game has toxic behaviour
undone apex
Yet again I don't need to play it to know that it's an mmo. I'm too old to believe in unicorns
dreamy helm
it just ranges of where it is on average in the spectrum of toxicity
tough escarp
I havent eaten in 24 hours - only had 2 coffees
timber crag
Waiting on your burden of proof dyre
dreamy helm
doge fucking destroy tha tpizza
timber crag
Will you concede you can't provide it
undone apex
Devour it
tough escarp
I hope they deliver soon - my nightshift is scheduled for 22:00
timber crag
I already did and found nothing
Nothing with screenshots to prove they're not blowing smoke like Dyre
Anyone can make a claim, and people who get banned are inclined to paint themselves as the victims
That's why you need proof
undone apex
timber crag
Anyone can make a claim, and people who get banned are inclined to paint themselves as the victims
That's why you need proof
Also that dude wasn't even banned lol.
hardy forge
oh boy i come up and i'm in the middle of a flame war
undone apex
To be honest if you don't think the mmo community is toxic at it's core
You believe in unicorns
timber crag
I have also noticed that it seems a lot of the complaints and toxic attitudes seem to come from ex WoW players, they seem to try and compair this game to WoW and how things should be done differently like in WoW.
I can just point at this comment
undone apex
It took me 29 years to get banned
timber crag
Makes me lol
hardy forge
the wow community can be toxic because of mostly elitists or pug smoothbrains that are like talking to a rock, and generally unreal requirements to join groups
undone apex
But I did get banned because I got toxic
undone apex
Not in wow
hardy forge
totally opposite most cases too
undone apex
Or over there
dreamy helm
I dont just have tons of screenshots ready at all times lmao
this is toxic
but its more negative toxicity
dreamy helm
I dont have tons of positive toxicity screenshotted cause fuck that
timber crag
Oh FFXIV can absolutely be toxic, but I found the community experience to be better than in WoW because I'm not a toxic loser who causes people to be angry around me.
If you're chill in FFXIV people are chill towards you.
dreamy helm
i mean i've been kicked from groups before cause I asked the healer to stop spamming regen on the dps who were at full HP
hardy forge
i'd say people can definitely be overly chill to a point where it negatively impacts your gameplay
in ff14
dreamy helm
like I asked them nicely to stop fucking spamming regen cause they were always oom
that's fair game
yet I got kicked from the group
that is toxic behaviour
hardy forge
like a blackmage only using ice spells and then you kindly ask him to use fire spells,and he goes off like a landmine
and types a 2page rant in chat
about "you dont pay my sub"
dreamy helm
whenever I do go back to FFXIV i'll be using the blacklist addon that makes people just disappear
hardy forge
and similar
timber crag
I've already said I agree that exists, but I much prefer that behaviour than the vicious negative toxicity you see in WoW.
timber crag
Good.
lost plinth
so you have to manifest it differently
dreamy helm
no no you dont have to use mean words
undone apex
I mean this discord has a shit ton of toxicity
timber crag
I like passive aggression.
lost plinth
no, bad. don't protect sensitive shitters
dreamy helm
if they dont like what you have to say
hardy forge
If you're chill in FFXIV people are chill towards you.
if you actually keep up on your dps people are chill towards you most of the time
excluding outliers
dreamy helm
they can get you slapped too
dreamy helm
oh yes
"I dont like what they say, WHHHHHHA, BAN HIM!"
fuck off
anyone like that should be banned
and it shouldnt be encouraged by the moderation team
frosty tundra
What's going on?
timber crag
Like I said, I'd rather that than someone spouting racist rhetoric.
timber crag
I appreciate moderation even if it goes overboard.
spring heath
Discussing if WoW's toxicity was better or worse than XIV's
dreamy helm
comparing toxicity in games
hardy forge
reading the terms of service,what i said earlier "inciting a player to use fire spells on a black mage when he wasnt before" could technically be classified as "enforcing a play style" and there fore be a bannable offence per the terms of service of FF14 @timber crag
timber crag
I don't agree with that and would probably encourage it to be changed, but that doesn't much change my perspective.
dreamy helm
it encourages a very toxic behaviour of basically trying to troll people into breaking that rule
undone apex
That's like telling a ret paladin to not use a weapon with a agility and getting banned for it.
dreamy helm
mmmm ye
hardy forge
"i'm going to report you" is an actual threat right after "you dont pay my sub" and that change to the terms of service was added in 2019
not even in the base game
frosty tundra
Someone mentioned this server specifically being toxic. I don't really agree with that perspective.
timber crag
Mhm. I've said I don't agree with it, you don't need to justify otherwise to me. :P
spring heath
Oh yeah, someone did say this discord was toxic
Which... sometimes, but it's usually swatted down
dreamy helm
there is a tiny bit behaviour but its very reasonable most of the time
like beta shadowlands has gotten a bit toxic at times
hardy forge
the few times shit goes down is mostly only because of differing opinions
timber crag
It's more heated arguments here and less 'i hate you because of your skin colour'
hardy forge
and doing a fight of who has the biggest D
spring heath
That's usually during the MinMaxer vs Play What You Want 'discussions' isn't it, Dyre?
timber crag
There's nothing really wrong with intense debate even if it goes a bit overboard
undone apex
I mean I think its toxic but I mostly invite toxicity by having radical opinions
dreamy helm
no its not always that
hardy forge
That's usually during the MinMaxer vs Play What You Want 'discussions' isn't it, Dyre?
cough the ๐ ฑ๏ธancient one cough
timber crag
Toxic is more... visceral.
hardy forge
||it's kata btw||
dreamy helm
idk some people in there definitely broke down to calling people names and being quite rude
hardy forge
remember when we told ||kata|| that characters that come from their own head cannot be independent/sentient
spring heath
I know that this discord overall could have a better feel to it if certain individuals were booted but overall things are mostly harmless
hardy forge
specifically because they're all in their head
and they totally didnt want to believe that
and there was a 2hr war on it
timber crag
I wouldn't want to see intense debate moderated zealously. Maybe that's where we're misunderstanding regarding WoW. I don't mind at all the correctional players and minmaxing stuff etc etc
But I want more moderation on people being racist, sexist, homophobic / griefing, trolling, etc
timber crag
They're against the TOS obviously but Blizzard is extremely lazy with their enforcement.
dreamy helm
because they wanna try to build this utopia where everyone is super nice and whatever
it doesn't work
timber crag
I mean I like that, but I don't think you could even begin to approach a style like that in WoW.
undone apex
You could
timber crag
WoW is an Americas-based game, freedom andies would lose their minds.
undone apex
Mute them and make a ping system
tough escarp
I once witnessed a guy in /trade that went ham and declared all Jews must die on a German realm.
He was banned while he was still shouting his bs in chat...
timber crag
Also quick question. Papa johns or dominoes?
spring heath
Dominoes
timber crag
Top
dreamy helm
homemade
timber crag
I'm not surprised by that Doge. IIRC Germany has some pretty aggressive anti-Nazi sentiments for... obvious reasons.
Even relative to other places.
Makes sense it'd leak into quick moderation for that kinda stuff.
Dominoes appears to be broken
Papa Johns here I come
hardy forge
i dont like dominos personally
timber crag
I dont like their crust at all
dreamy helm
lmao
timber crag
Ill tell you in a few hours
hardy forge
i have local pizzeria that's not a gigantic corporation and made by literally 3 people
or i can make it myself
that's the gud stuff
timber crag
I also have a local pizzeria but Im craving pizza that's terrible for me right now ;D
dreamy helm
there used to be a nice pizzaria here but they closed
tough escarp
Pizza arrived! ๐
dreamy helm
can I have a slice?
lost plinth
can i have it
tough escarp
nope
tough escarp
trust me .. this pizza is vanishing faster than an undergeared rouge in a bg
timber crag
All right i got a meat pizza and some cheese sticks
tough escarp
i forgot to order cheese sticks rip
timber crag
:(
tough escarp
damn ... 10 minutes late for the night activity
at least I have good music while we wrestle with this hardware diagnosis
deft vapor
man that name in the top left takes me back to this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03dJHrLdVl0
tough escarp
pog
dreamy helm
Im getting a meatball sandwich and some chips
tough escarp
that's even more pog
dreamy helm
tough escarp
I'm thinking about getting a pi hole
dreamy helm
for dns sink?
tough escarp
yep
dreamy helm
yeah I wanna do that too
split tendon
Best lore video ever lol. https://youtu.be/BSYG7bjitn4
split tendon
Lol I thought it was just funny
dreamy helm
oh yeah that video is pog
tough escarp
nobbel should watch this one and learn
split tendon
I've just always been a fan of lore in about a min. It's fun to see how they condense stuff
tough escarp
I think Nobbel has actual days of videos on all kinds of lore
timber crag
I have Wowpedia bookmarked because I use it a ton.
You could make an extensive encyclopedia using that resource.
deft vapor
Nobbel is basically the go-to for lore in video form, most of the time
tough escarp
I think I once looked it up - he had like 250 videos of around 45 mins
tough escarp
true - but still
dreamy helm
of like
ALL the lore that nobbel has read out
imagine that lmao
like a 50 hour long video
tough escarp
I wonder what his irl job is
dreamy helm
does he have one?
timber crag
He probably works full time on YouTube videos.
dreamy helm
I mean he streams and does youtube a lot
deft vapor
prolly has to do a fair bit of research to make sure his lore vids are accurate (or as accurate as can be)
tough escarp
I wouldnt wanna devote my life to this game to this extend as to make a living off of it
wary gate
Also I don't think Nobbel has the best voice for reading tbh.
Maybe it's cause I'm Dutch, but his pronunciation of english words just isn't quite right to my ears.
deft grove
dreamy helm
dude can someone tell me if the cod beta thing is actually open for all players or closed for people who pay?
im confused...
hardy forge
hardy forge
compact ibex
when you have google find your phone, it uses some halloween sounding ringtone, does anyone know what that is?
spring heath
It's really annoying when people ask the same question in multiple channels
hardy forge
yes
native burrow
dreamy helm
dreamy helm
mystic garden
Are 4c/4t CPUs obsolete now?
dreamy helm
have been for years
mystic garden
Yeah I hope and yeah I hate that
stone sparrow
Who's watching league worlds?
tough escarp
never heard of this
hardy forge
League of legends bad
teal birch
too toxic for my blood
sudden sedge
hello, am new here
hardy forge
Greetings
sudden sedge
what up
hardy forge
Chilling
sudden sedge
me too. just grinding up my characters levels up for Shadowland.
split tendon
Gotta love windows, just got that start menu critical error. I wish they would stop trying to add stuff to 10. They need to take the hint as to why people dont want to give up 7.
hardy forge
Just dont update ez
split tendon
I tired that. Sadly now it will do it whether you tell it to or not
timber crag
any one wanna go play cold war beta with me ?
hardy forge
It has been done.
https://twitter.com/ardbert_/status/1317611436055523329?s=20
hardy forge
I'd be into it tbh. WoW is my main hobby.
@timber crag just be like the baldmongold
Stream wow ez done
dreamy helm
pog
wary gate
sudden sedge
Hi guys
gritty obsidian
hardy forge
dense trout
@hardy forge Can't do that while dead.
hardy forge
true
dense trout
actually my comment's even worse than i intended... ๐ฎ
hardy forge
O . O
glacial tapir
timber crag
Its locked
finite hatch
is the wowhead discord bot dead ?
novel tiger
frosty tundra
I'll let the team know so it can be restarted tomorrow morning.
hasty nova
hes just sleeping
sage sparrow
tough escarp
shy coral
dude i saw this copy pasta shit last time in 2008 or something on facebook
heady solstice
@sage sparrow please tell me you are posting that ironically
shy coral
back then everyone was just hating on him because "Well look at him. Did you hear his songs? Thats some gay shit."
heady solstice
sage sparrow
@sage sparrow please tell me you are posting that ironically
@heady solstice
Look,I just don't like him,I'm not homophobic or something okay?
I'm not daing such a angerspeech
timber crag
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glad widget
heady solstice
@heady solstice
Look,I just don't like him,I'm not homophobic or something okay?
I'm not daing such a angerspeech
i never said you were homophobic stop putting words in my mouth
spring heath
....hm
scarlet harbor
anyone willing to tell me how they got into wow my dad got me into playing
fair gyro
teal birch
played FFXI and my friends talked about wow... put in for beta.. and here we are
hardy forge
ffx11 is kinda old
teal birch
yeah.. I played that before wow
hardy forge
i got dragged into this spiral that is wow due to my brother introducing the game to 8year old kid me with pure evil intent
count he is much older than me
teal birch
Does he still play
hardy forge
he turned casual when he finally decided he should get a job
which was mid cata
xD
he plays on-off and most recently played a lot of classic back when it came out and also 2months ago
timber crag
Watched my parents play WoW in 2004-2006, started playing in 2007
Mained a Paladin ever since
teal birch
I hope it doesn't get nerfed
sorry "balanced"
It is my alt main...
if I have time..
timber crag
I don't really care either way tbh. Ret Paladin was near bottom of the barrel in BfA and I had no issues doing any of the content I wanted to.
Anything past bottom of the barrel is just icing on the cake for me.
teal birch
I hear you there.. I have never really had issues as a Ret but I always have a guild.
I spent most of BFA in the top 5 dps in my guild
timber crag
Same lol. My guild doesn't do a ton of content but what we did was ezpz.
teal birch
usually smash in mythic + too
the meta plebs be like I rather not take a ret because they are not in the mdi teams
it's like bish... dis utility
and deeps
timber crag
A lot of people don't realize that DPS charts are largely best case sims.
A good Paladin will do much more consistent DPS than a decent BM hunter.
timber crag
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hardy forge
A lot of people don't realize that DPS charts are largely best case sims.
smoothbrain pug hivemind
does not accept that
it has to be only best classes
or you're garbage at the game
and other insults
timber crag
If I cared about being BIS 24/7 I'd have had to stop playing Paladin in Wrath.
It's fine if folks want to minmax, but even Kata admitted that fun isn't the driving factor.
That she'd play a class/spec that is better over a class/spec she enjoys.
timber crag
No I don't do it on purpose. I'm not thinking about pronouns while I talk about minmaxing so I default to the one I'm used to.
timber crag
If Kata wants to tell me not to use one either which way Kata is free to, and then I will be more conscious of how I refer to Kata.
spring heath
'Proper grammar'?
tough escarp
huh?
spring heath
I mean they've only said repeatedly that they prefer they/them and that's a better default than he/her anyway so....
tough escarp
oh really?
timber crag
I looked it up to see if I was losing my mind and the last time they said it was a month ago.
spring heath
They had it as their status for a while, dunno if they still do but
Giving up doesn't invalidate their request
tough escarp
I just keep forgetting those things I'm really sorry
I can hardly memorize names tbh
timber crag
I don't look at people's statuses, nor am I saying it invalidates their request. I'm saying I probably wasn't aware they said it and assuming I'm doing it on purpose is a bit rude.
tough escarp
I havent seen Kata talking at all these past weeks too
spring heath
For the record, I'm not meaning to sound hostile about it. I was just curious because you swap between he and her for them a lot so from a certain perspective it can feel malicious
I prefer to lean towards education over attack, so I was genuinely asking
tough escarp
xD
some people just can't memorize these things - I have been called out on gender mistakes many times
teal birch
I have never thought that he and her could come across malicious however I do not know the person being referrenced
tough escarp
some people do it on purpose to make people angry
spring heath
There are individuals who would purposely choose to use any pronouns other than the ones preferred by their target
tough escarp
for a lot of people it's a big part of their identity and they want it in a certain way
spring heath
But in a return to the previous topic, I really don't understand how extreme minmaxers function
tough escarp
https://i.imgur.com/aYbwP3t.jpeg ... google maps .. 1963
teal birch
tbh I usually ask my raid lead what we need
and play what we need
I mean I guess we might see raid comps that are all shadow priest in the world first race
tough escarp
https://i.imgur.com/l0Y1DLp.jpeg ... a GoPro Camera .. 1954
timber crag
I mean we see people who do high-end content who switch mains every patch and that sounds like the worst possible experience to me
How am I supposed to get attached to a character if they'll be binned in four months
teal birch
If I were to play a class that felt bad and was bottom of the dps chart I would switch
without question
timber crag
im so sleeeppy
teal birch
being last in dps isn't fun
timber crag
I wouldn't. I get more out of WoW than just 'are my numbers good' through RP.
tough escarp
https://i.imgur.com/2zw8vl0.jpeg ... an accustical radar device .. 1917
timber crag
Nothing else gives games as much longevity for me as organized roleplay does.
teal birch
So if ret pally was dead last and you are playing your ass off to be last place.. you wouldn't think hmm maybe I should try something else lol
But you also play for roleplay
see I usually only have enough time to keep one character updated..
and I usually just raid
and get one key in
if I'm lucky I'll cp cap
timber crag
Nope, I'd just deal. Rarely am I ever last place even in Paladin's worst place, either. Someone is always a worse player than you.
I was usually top five throughout Legion and BfA during my heroic raiding in the former and M+ in the latter.
teal birch
I mean I don't have class loyalty or even faction loyalty.. I have transferred and faction changed just for a tier of raiding with a group that fit my schedule
but it just depends on what you want out of game.
timber crag
i'm a new player, first starting WoW.
teal birch
and you are right luckily paladin hasn't been that bottom feeder yet lol
teal birch
it is still the most populated mmo
teal birch
that is called a casual guild
tough escarp
hehehe
teal birch
you can have doing that
timber crag
why do you need to be in an elitist guild?
teal birch
depends on what your goals are
timber crag
i mean sure people can always push to be the best
but there is always someone better.
i feel like it's a trap
that leads to getting nowhere except quitting the game and moving on
if you're not having fun anymore, idk. Play something that rewards competitive nature instead of min-maxing mmorpg.
teal birch
some people raid for fun.. some for aotc.. some for cutting edge. It is easy to play the game anyway you choose
tough escarp
you might be done with having fun, learning and progressing on your end
while your mates still do have fun, progress and learn - and then you should go to a team that is at your level and start having fun, progressing and learning again
๐
timber crag
This elitism competitive nature is what scared me from starting WoW in the first place.
what if i want to try a raid a couple months from now
tough escarp
don't be scared
teal birch
you don't have to partake in it
teal birch
there are guilds for every type of game play
tough escarp
it's a natural phenomena to end up in a team that is of a similar skill level as you are
timber crag
i mean thats why i quit league though i guess
not having anyone to push and help you move forward
just stuck in the same place wanting to get anywhere.
tough escarp
like if you were a super pro soccer player you can have fun shooting some balls with casuals here and there
but ultimately to keep yourself at pace and challenged you'd look for a team that plays more professionally and seek harder enemies
timber crag
of course, but being professional in a real life skill is a bit different than a video game i guess.
timber crag
i mean are you making a living playing WoW?
if so i guess continue pushing to be the best
tough escarp
especially in team sports like raiding
timber crag
that gives incentive to be the best.
tough escarp
yeah like that
teal birch
some people like to challenge themselves
tough escarp
see - it's not so different
timber crag
not everyone makes a living playing WoW or even streaming.
so i feel like the way elitism is, it's not healthy.
teal birch
completing a hard task is rewarding
timber crag
of course
but we're coming off task a little hre i think
i think the main thing was flaming low dps, because you're higher.
Its crazy that elitism and ego still exists.
It's especially bad in Classic, as it drew out the worst of the elitists and drove out almost all of the game's original public advocates
tough escarp
I think what you refer to is toxic behavior in random pugs
timber crag
Asmongold went on to talk about how it's hands down the worst community he has ever been a part of in his life
im 15 hours in the game as a new player and only 1 person has helped me
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tough escarp
that's amazing
There are many helpful people in the game
make use of the beginner chat as well - people there will be glad to help
timber crag
The beginner chat is a godsend. I've helped so many people with it so far and feel so good about myself every time.
hardy forge
Its crazy that elitism and ego still exists.It's especially bad in Classic, as it drew out the worst of the elitists and drove out almost all of the game's original public advocates
it's especially bad in classic because especially in pvp there's no ranks/score and the raids are so easy the bar is set too low
given in pvp there's no rankings other than well rank 14and all that
you could have a massive ego and not have any "you're not even challenger dude wtf"
comments to curb that
The beginner chat is a godsend. I've helped so many people with it so far and feel so good about myself every time.
it has not turned into reddit/4chan shitposting yet?
im surprised
hardy forge
pogchamp
timber crag
Also yeah, could go on for ages about how players ruined Classic.
The same players who continue to ruin Retail with their toxicity.
hardy forge
true they really did "ruin" the "2004 experience"
especially the incredible amount of bots that were not present in the original game
skewing all the prices
hardy forge
yes i saw
it's always been the delusional vanilla fanboy argument
"dont worry next raid will be hard"
and it never was
because vanilla raids are easier than current lfr both in mechanics and complexity
and if you add onto that
the "all worldbuff meta"
then it becomes a joke
timber crag
Vanilla was completely easy. The only difficulty to come out of Vanilla is the lack of modern quality of life mechanics that transform time spent into the illusion of difficulty.
hardy forge
"getting out of the puddle of fire" was considered an hardcore super hard mechanic
back in the day
hardy forge
also because let's not forget that in 2004,they had dialup connections
teal birch
mounts over priced
teal birch
eh I enjoy the new raids
hardy forge
i personally dont have a problem with that,so i cant weigh in
hardy forge
there is plenty of content creators that provide 5-min boss guides that are simple to navigate
teal birch
like the coven in legion
hardy forge
and the adventurer journal is a good "first look"
fresh osprey
modern raids arent too complicated. they changed numbers for mechanics
teal birch
I think beginner chat is channel 4 or 5?
do new players have to talk to someone to turn it on
timber crag
everytime i try and join a channel outside of a main city it wont work
fresh osprey
old raids required a ton of grind to get the right resistances and to prepare for the big hits
that doesnt require skill, just time
timber crag
When I say modern raids I'm referring to LFR, btw. Should have clarified that.
hardy forge
new players are put in it automatically,by "new player" i think the game means "doesnt have a lvl 50 on the account"
timber crag
Normal and onwards are fine with a half decent group.
fresh osprey
its a hot mess where they disable half the mechanics b/c people are lazy
teal birch
Normal is pretty straightforward
timber crag
oh
fresh osprey
it has nothing to do with difficulty
timber crag
my father gave me his account after BFA came out
LFR is a good measure of the content being too complex for a random group finder.
fresh osprey
people are just lazy in LFR
timber crag
so its not a "new account"
hardy forge
this is also true,people are just super lazy in LFR
timber crag
Clearly it doesn't work so it should be made easier, because atm it's a huge turnoff to new players.
teal birch
they want to be carried
fresh osprey
LFR realistically shouldnt be offered to new players
hardy forge
LFR i dont think is intended for new players
timber crag
It absolutely is.
hardy forge
it's for the casual players that play 1 hour a week,that just want to see the story/bosses with no effort
put in
teal birch
blizzard has always wanted people to find a guild to play with
timber crag
You're required to do endgame raids to finish some endgame questing.
teal birch
that is the best way to raid peroid
fresh osprey
not really Ano
timber crag
All three major raids were end quests of various parts of BfA.
fresh osprey
theres some quests that give resources but they auto complete in the following patch if they are story relevant
hardy forge
there is a few quests like that,but they arent really common at all
theres some quests that give resources but they auto complete in the following patch if they are story relevant
didnt know that
fresh osprey
yes and both the uldir and BoD quests can be skipped
timber crag
feel like you sent me away peach
dont appreciate that ๐
i didnt even have a question
hardy forge
he pointed you in the more correct direction i'd say xD
timber crag
well fair enough, i just feel like everytime i ask a question in game, on this discord in the correct channels
i never get an answer.
fresh osprey
Ano, in the following patch, they made it so the capstone quests for Uldir and BoD were not required
timber crag
They can be skipped, sure, but trying to say they're not meant to be done by new players and that LFR isn't an obvious first endgame content for new players is a bit weird to say.
fresh osprey
first endgame content for new players is WQs and Dailies
LFR shouldnt be available out of the box or needs to change form
timber crag
That's... not really the same thing at all.
fresh osprey
it realistically should be some kind of story mode with little to no rewards
hardy forge
it is true that on a level of pure accessibility, "find a group through group finder" and "press this button that says find group "
are very distant
there should be some throttling to new players so that LFR isnt their first raid experience
timber crag
Per Blizzard themselves, LFR is for players who don't have experience with higher end content
I.E. new players
tough escarp
God! ... I love this brew! ๐บ ๐ป
timber crag
A.ย Raid Finder is primarily intended for players who donโt already raid consistently. These are players who may not have had the opportunity to take part in raid content due to scheduling conflicts, playtime constraints, limited access to other raid-capable players, or a lack of experience with higher-end content. These players may want to experience World of Warcraftโs raid content and storyline without being able to commit to the additional time investment of a raiding guild. The Raid Finder is also a great way to quickly and easily gear up alternate characters without having to worry about raid lockouts.```with titanforging going away,you wont be able to be carried anymore in LFRs due to the higher skill/geared players
not running it anymore
tough escarp
damn @timber crag you couldnt have worded this better!
hardy forge
so we should see how that pans out
see if LFR people actually stop being lazy, now that they arent getting free carry from well geared players
timber crag
it realistically should be some kind of story mode with little to no rewards
I agree with this though
tough escarp
there have only been a handful of recorded incidents where a LFR drop titanforged to mythic levels though @hardy forge I don't think this could have caused any issues on the competitive scene though
timber crag
It should be purely an easy as cake tutorial introduction to Normal
hardy forge
the lfr rewards are already little in comparison to the rest of the game,especially with titanforging gone
tough escarp
no I was serious ๐ฆ
timber crag
๐
hardy forge
there have only been a handful of recorded incidents where a LFR drop titanforged to mythic levels though @hardy forge I don't think this could have caused any issues on the competitive scene though
unfortunately given experiences i've seen,the very fact it could drop and it was as easy as a click of a button
made mythic/heroic raiders
run lfr anyway
each week
teal birch
TLDR skip LFR and use group finder for Normal
hardy forge
there was a chance to titanforge,doesnt matter how small doge
tough escarp
who in their right mind would run 10.000 LFRs to gear up for mythics??
this is crazy!
hardy forge
there is an incredibly small chance to win at the lottery
and people still play anyway
tough escarp
that's like saying it's not fair if people win in the lottery when others had to work their whole life to make only half the money
teal birch
I only run LFR for essences
hardy forge
therefore people still do LFR just for the possible ephemeral chance at titanforging
tough escarp
and then asking for lottery to be made illegal or run only by state owned companies that ensure taxes are paid for the win
hardy forge
you can skip lfr and do normal xd
tough escarp
oh wait - that is actually what they did...
teal birch
my guild will skip normal for heroic
hardy forge
true
teal birch
usually not first tier
hardy forge
most guilds just go straight for hc
tough escarp
yep
teal birch
we will do 9.0 normal up
tough escarp
depends on the guild
teal birch
then heroic 9.1 .2 .3
hardy forge
normal is way too easy currently,and is just "organised lfr" on most bosses
if blizz really wanted to cut one difficulty,they could cut normal imo
hardy forge
LFR for the 0-freetime people / heroic for the people getting into it,and mythic for the skill
normal serves very little purpose if any,and only contribues to item level bloat
teal birch
they should remove gear from LFR just give you a participation award
timber crag
They can cut Normal if LFR is neutered down considerably and turned into a tutorial
teal birch
cut back on the bloat
timber crag
LFR is basically unplayable without complete zen patience in its current iteration
hardy forge
what about LFR being the story mode,and it gives you "currency" (like azerite/AP or anima in SL) and it gives you the trasmog set if you complete all wings
timber crag
Sounds good to me yo
hardy forge
LFR is basically unplayable without complete zen patience in its current iteration
mostly because of people being lazy and expecting a carry
you dont know how many ppl afk in LFR
teal birch
I mean check the meters lol
usually like 8 people actually dpsing
1 healer healing
1 tank not getting any taunt swaps
hardy forge
i can vibe with the no tank swap tank life in lfr
teal birch
bunch of entitled shits
hardy forge
it hurts my soul
teal birch
yeah man
tough escarp
lol
teal birch
I love when you are like man taunt! taunt! then you whisper w/ DBM?
and they say nah bruh
I dont use that
-_-
tough escarp
I have been a LFR god ...
tough escarp
I once did the math and calculated that statistically I have played with every player on EU in LFR during MoP...
hardy forge
programming that dynamic-ity must have been a pain in the ass as someone that's a student in the programming field myself
you can both change keybinds and install addons
timber crag
All my homies hate LFR
teal birch
as they should
I feel on Horde it is more normal for players to just group for Normal
seems like we have pages of normal groups
on my ally it will be like 3 groups for normal
timber crag
Time to ban the Horde
teal birch
for being efficient
lol
ally has more pve players.. yet less raiders
time to open up raids to cross faction
tough escarp
I found a stream of 5 guys playing wow for the 1st time
the chaos is unmatched
3 are currently waiting for the 2 that actually started the wrong faction to start over and catch up ๐
timber crag
Every time people say wow is too easy i think about that
New players just seem so lost all the time
teal birch
Wow is overwhelming for someone who has never played
probably a lot better now with the new leveling
and not having to play till 120
timber crag
Seems like it. I'm seeing a lot of praise for the new system.
I'm level 30 on a warrior and it has been fantastic.
For once leveling feels like a cohesive experience and not 16 years of scuffed as fuck bandaids.
tough escarp
So I looked at the noob Horde story and it's a bit odd - they don't get to play the rescue Talanji scenario - but instead jump on a Wyvern in OG together with Nathanos and end up in the cinematic where Talanji summons her loa.
And after being called recruit the whole game they are now the champion and get compliments for resuing Talanji from Stormwind.
They could have made this better imo...
I can't remember rescuing your daughter Rastakan, but you're the king and if you insist I'll take credit for that...
timber crag
Not really much they could do unfortunately, at least regarding the huge promotion.
They should have had the BfA intro quests though.
tough escarp
yeah - I don't see why the scenario had to be skipped - maybe scaling it was too much??
tough escarp
but it is hardly challenging
fresh osprey
but its still supposed to be a thing
tough escarp
new players meet with Sylvanas and then get sent straight to Drazaralor
without the intro part
like if you skip the scenario you also skip the end cinematic of it - but new players get the end cinematic only xD
timber crag
Glad she's out of the Horde anyway
She's so antithetical to the ideal Horde aesthetic
timber crag
Honestly people who meme on that cinematic make me smh
teal birch
timber crag
Like what is he supposed to do, pull out a gun and shoot the Mawsworn?
tough escarp
@teal birch ๐
timber crag
That's how you either drop Anduin to his death or straight shoot him in the head
high magnet
Anybody recognize this Maze?
teal birch
well yeah
tough escarp
high magnet
On Ms. Pac-Man stages 1 through 5, how many points are there EXCLUDING the Ghosts and the Cherries, Strawberries, Pretzels and Apples?
heady solstice
unreal bluff
Isn't that googleable?
spring heath
I had a set of them on my bookshelf in my room
tough escarp
kids today are like "you dont know all that struggle!"
spring heath
yall soundin like boomers up in here
teal birch
I mean just in regards to not having the internet when I was in school lol
spring heath
;P
spring heath
I graduated in '09
teal birch
haha so yeah back when my middle school got internet.
They didn't know to lock it down
and a friend of mine got caught printing porn pics
(there were no videos at that time)
the teacher was talking... instructing us on how to use some program and casually grabbed the printed papers hot off the press and he turned pale and panicked..
high magnet
Who is that on our right of Anduin?
tough escarp
there might have been 2 maraads
spring heath
ngl highkey hate how the nelf looks there
tough escarp
after wod
So I have a task for you: watch the Leeroy video and then watch the BfA cinematic -- and then tell me that this one Alliance trooper that gets one-shot by Saurfang isn't voiced by Leeroy himself.....
timber crag
Is that nelf supposed to be Shandris?
She looks terrible.
Could just be a random elf like the dwarf is, though.
spring heath
Would honestly prefer she be a velf cuz that's what she looks more like
Nelves are fkin Amazons
I guess she is taller than the draenei
but
just doesn't look good
tough escarp
tbf this pic isn't really a good representation of wow's art ... it was made as an advertisement set - mainly aiming at non-playing audience
but I confirm its bad stile
spring heath
I'm a picky bitch
crystal junco
Just finished Yakuza 0
mfw only the 1st & 2 are on steam 
atleast the 7th is on steam too
But skipping 4 games 
heady solstice
the guy to the right of anduin is unnamed draenei #45
halcyon forum
I'm super surprised by DoronsMovies appearance. lol
spring heath
I read the book, not that post
swift oyster
Yeah I meant the book
spring heath
I enjoyed it
spring heath
A part felt a little lacking but I suspect it was more her restrictions on what could and couldn't be written than anything
I won't elaborate cuz spoilers
tough escarp
heady solstice
swift oyster
Apparently the author is a racist so the post had some.... People get mad I guess
timber crag
Her posts were in response to some fairly charged IRL events so I'm probably not gonna hold it against her.
She's also white, so her talking about angry white old man energy is... about fair.
She should have owned up to them, though. Bit sus otherwise.
swift oyster
Interesting. Yeah that reddit post got flooded with people attacking OP, lol
timber crag
People go crazy, even Asmongold got in there
oak pelican
That picture from earlier looks like somebody did wow art from somebodies descriptions and not from actualy looking at any wow art at all. It's like.. Close but not? and a horrfying to boot
dense trout
yeah, RIP Greymane
crystal junco
Tbh Madelaine Roux is just racist
You can't sugar coat it
charged IRL event or not
timber crag
Yeah things aren't really black and white like that.
crystal junco
Nah in the current case they are
timber crag
Though in this case she is white and so are the people she's criticizing.
crystal junco
No shades
Her being white doesn't change anything I'm afraid
I liked her book
hate her personnality
I think she should be removed from any partnership with blizzard in the near future
timber crag
I mean... fair enough. Still not racist.
crystal junco
It is racism though
Replace every "white" in what she posted by black
and weirdly people' would be outraged
spring heath
wh
crystal junco
Wolf casually walking on spicy subjects
timber crag
If I say 'im tired of angry old white men' as a white person im not being racist
crystal junco
You are though
spring heath
Not really
timber crag
Im also tired of angry old white men
spring heath
That's not necessarily racist either
spring heath
There's not a power thing involved there
It's difficult to explain
crystal junco
spring heath
Yeah that's not racist
Maybe a touch sexist but I mean I too am tired of White Men
crystal junco
Well you're racist then
neon hinge
Who isn't really
crystal junco
Yeah
neon hinge
Ah yes the poor white dudes suffering racism
crystal junco
I'm a black man
timber crag
Even if the intent were there, you can't really be racist against your own race. Racism explicitly requires a sense of superiority and you can't feel superior to an ethnic group you belong to lol.
spring heath
Yeah, a power thing
crystal junco
And the way I see white people hating on themself is the most hateful thing I've ever seen
you guys are actually being patronizing towards minorities, and it's an issue
White men have any rights to this world as any other person
spring heath
In what world are white men a minority
neon hinge
lmao this dude
crystal junco
In this world
timber crag
I mean you're the one making the claim she's being racist against people like me, a white male. If she, a white woman, insults me, a white male, that's not racism, that's just her being a dick.
Which sure, that's a discussion we can have.
But racism requires a power dynamic in its modern interpretation and she has neither systemic power nor clout over white males.
crystal junco
How would racism need a power dynamic ?
spring heath
There are plenty of situations where a woman would be in the wrong in putting down a man
But in most situations... there's a pretty clear justification
Uhh
timber crag
To say nothing of the explicit requirement of ascribing superior or inferior qualities to the race you are racist against.
spring heath
that's
crystal junco
As in "X is superior to Y"?
spring heath
what racism is?
spring heath
In any case, this isn't exactly an appropriate topic for this discord and the rules set here
crystal junco
Racism is nothing of superiority
timber crag
Read ๐ the ๐ end
crystal junco
@spring heath I agree
timber crag
Also the second definition
timber crag
"theories of racism"
This is the definition of typically lol in most cases; usually.
Modern interpretations of racism require a power dynamic now, anyways.
crystal junco
Yes, most cases
timber crag
In all cases.
crystal junco
Most cases
That's in the very definition
you're altering the very word typically in front of yer eyes
timber crag
Modern interpretations of racism require a power dynamic now, anyways.
Look at any rights scholar arguing on the subject and they will say as much.
Anyone here play hearthstone
teal birch
People so full of hate lol
I liked the latest hearthstone stuff
The new premade decks are actually good enough to like.. win with
hardy forge
eh,personally i prefer the most the dungeon runs with heroic modes
dreamy helm
Not a fan of cards
hardy forge
M E L O N
dreamy helm
M e l on
timber crag
dreamy helm
timber crag
dreamy helm
dreamy helm
How?
dreamy helm
Chicken patties yep
timber crag
dreamy helm
timber crag
dreamy helm
timber crag
dreamy helm
timber crag
brave swift
unreal bluff
spring heath
๐
spice thistle
so She-ra?
heady solstice
unreal bluff
@hardy forge it's Lady Epone from Saga of Pliocene Exile, an obscure book series I love