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spice thistle
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TIL

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Blood is the best ink for materia infusions

lost plinth
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sastasha first timer bonus does not give 100

spice thistle
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f

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God I can't still get over Tam Tara Deepcroft's story

fallen nexus
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Time for margaritas

severe river
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have fun lol

spring heath
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Thulm where's my invitation man?

main dirge
empty swallow
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I hope ur happy emu

main dirge
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fall guy 1311

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fall guy 9461

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๐Ÿ‘ฝ

empty swallow
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1311 is a beast

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9461 is pepega

spring burrow
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That ui looks like a mobile game

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The game could probably play on mobile though

empty swallow
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It could

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Still a banger game tho

main dirge
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I only saw xqc play it

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doesn't look fun to me

empty swallow
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yeah dud dudud

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he makes every game look ass

main dirge
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someone wanted me to get it

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xqc played it a lot

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so much I stopped watching him recently because it's all just fall guys

empty swallow
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It's a fun game when you're with ur friends

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just fuckin around for a few hours

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Not a game I would play all day tho

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It's great stream content tho

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So I can understand

main dirge
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imo it feels repetitive

empty swallow
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chat is 12 year olds

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they don't mind

main dirge
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tylko jedno w glowie mam

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koksu piec gram

heady solstice
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Xqc does make amazing games look like ass

main dirge
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wonder how nico robin got devil fruit powers, I see her childhood and already has those hands

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why gol, luffy and the giant from her childhood have D in name

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gol dupe roger (shave ass roger)

spice thistle
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tbh

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Fall guys feels repetitive

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...when you win 6 games in a row

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dab

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But no

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The game is designed nicely that even if you get the same things in two runs it somehow evens it with how the players behave

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It's a very great game

main dirge
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my theory about void century so far (the years written off story): ||So people who wrote poneglyphs were able to design the weapon that Navy wants so much and when it existed, it destroyed the world, turning it to what we know as Grand Line and sinking most of it, the impact being strong enough to create something that prevents regular compass from working.||

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not much of theory but been thinking about it

wary gate
spice thistle
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done it

spring burrow
spice thistle
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Are people recovered?

spring burrow
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Also Kata I saw him last night in game

empty swallow
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@main dirge Dudes been making theories about the void century for the past 13 years

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There is one prevalent theory atm that makes the most sense but we don't know yet

main dirge
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I see

spice thistle
spring burrow
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Sastasha Hard

main dirge
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just thought it'd make sense if ||the weapon was actually made and what kind of destruction would a weapon assumed to be able to end world be capable of plus how come poneglyphs are all around despite being different islands||

spice thistle
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Sastasha Hard indeed

main dirge
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well gonna see later on if it'd still make sense

empty swallow
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It could make sense

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it could not

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we don't know

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Still far away from the arc that reveals it

lost plinth
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well that is interesting

heady solstice
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uhhh

lost plinth
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it's

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sort of there

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obvious question being how tf tataru know

spice thistle
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ya I see now

lost plinth
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oh god and

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it's the scion traveler's mask

spice thistle
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Tataru

wary gate
urban kite
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cape westwind

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thats the real joke

lost plinth
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yeah

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kata doesn't get that joke i assume lmao

spice thistle
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I dont see the joke here

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Cape Westwind might be the hardest trial to exist

urban kite
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TIME TO PULL OUT THE BABY CHAIR FOR MAKORE

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FOR BEING A BIG BABY

spring burrow
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Gotta love overwatch ragers

empty swallow
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joy

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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๐Ÿ˜‚

spring heath
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lmao cape westwind

deft vapor
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oh, it's THIS

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glorious editing

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if only his patience was as durable as his desk kekw

wary gate
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LET'S GO

heady solstice
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ok

wary gate
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Trans Rights are human rights

heady solstice
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ok

wary gate
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โค๏ธ

spice thistle
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oK

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Damn my interweb

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Also gosh any tips to do Stone Vigil(Hard)?

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I can't solo the damn turtle

spring burrow
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You use the cannons

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Or maybe that boss is just impossible

spice thistle
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I did it

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Just

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Used the rotation as I should but

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damn

main dirge
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that's an interesting tweet

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I'd want to travel to Japan but don't know much about rights there, if I couldn't dress the way I'd prefer due to sex, I wouldn't want to stay there any longer

spice thistle
lost plinth
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so i just had a dnc in heroes' gauntlet

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doing a grand mighty total of 3k dps single target

spice thistle
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total champ

deft vapor
main dirge
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god, once again new opening and Going Merry is still there

wary gate
main dirge
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@wary gate how's lgbt rights in japan

wary gate
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Idk

main dirge
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god

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can internet ppl be more useful

deft vapor
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no

spice thistle
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Sure

wary gate
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I think they're protesting?

spice thistle
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Just read it

wary gate
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Like in favor of it

main dirge
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wikipedia

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lol

spice thistle
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They are oppenly accepting it

wary gate
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There ya go

lost plinth
main dirge
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those articles are very misleading, they even treat Norway as one of most friendly towards LGBT while all I've ever received there was quite opposite

spring heath
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nice

spring burrow
spice thistle
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...sounds like a you problem tbh

main dirge
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no kapp

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no response? ok

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๐Ÿ›Œ

spice thistle
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And I ran out of money again, 700k spent on relic stuff

main dirge
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cool

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was wondering why I couldn't react to the rando

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probably someone couldn't handle some opinion or a message

spice thistle
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I cant see why you didn't got received well

main dirge
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I can only think of 2 controversive things I said in here

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and shouldn't be enough to block me

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well, there's some that'd block me but still open my messages, like what's the point 02shrug

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anyways enough of such talk, when will Free to Play FFXIV changes take if they haven't already?

spice thistle
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they did

main dirge
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oh great

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haven't played anything at all recently

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might be good opportunity to play anything lol

spice thistle
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if you want

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you have access to the new less tedious arr msq so

main dirge
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yeah I don't feel like paying for game time for now

heady solstice
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uh well

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88

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ngl

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ur opinions are kinda dogshit sometimes

main dirge
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oh noooo what im gonna do, dude who makes hitler references got me so gooood oh nooooo

spice thistle
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I mean Marc is cooler tbh

main dirge
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all kids in kindergarten like him

spice thistle
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And when has Marc done a hitler reference?

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@heady solstice y u make

heady solstice
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ok

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i wasnt like

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shitting on you

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just saying

urban kite
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90% of the time it's just spam about shitty anime anyway

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not like it's missing anything important having him blocked

heady solstice
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you asked why people blocked you

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i answered

main dirge
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I mean you're free to leave if you want

spice thistle
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I mean

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you are the one free to leave if you want xD

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Marc is pretty cool here

urban kite
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"free to leave" ah yes, can't subscribe to your blog

lost plinth
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who tf

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did they get banned?

spice thistle
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nah

heady solstice
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also emu

spice thistle
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but Minishu is making a drama over Marc saying 88

heady solstice
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we gotta stop saying 88

spice thistle
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saying its neo nazi thigns and whatnot

heady solstice
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or else 88 is gonna go behind someone's back and shit talk them

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like a real adult

spice thistle
heady solstice
spice thistle
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I had 900k in the morning

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These relics cost a lot

heady solstice
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that image summarizes my ff14 experience

main dirge
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I haven't started anything but ok

spice thistle
heady solstice
spice thistle
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I mean, literally you called Marc a nazi just for calling out the name they met you with

heady solstice
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talking shit behind people's backs

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p epic

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tbh

lost plinth
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i'm confused

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and thus I don't really care

spice thistle
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ei emu

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spell speed as drg

lost plinth
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why

heady solstice
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yeah spell speed aha

lost plinth
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i mean admittedly i put piety for blm crystal sand cause idc

spice thistle
main dirge
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and thus I don't really care
@lost plinth I don't care either but marc was the first guy to chat

heady solstice
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okay dude

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wait fuck

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first guy to chat

spice thistle
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das skill speed you eediot

heady solstice
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mak i cant read stop bullying me

spice thistle
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you can't type or think for the looks of it

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get out

main dirge
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wasn't really talking about you but you seem to think about anything I say to relate to you

heady solstice
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???

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i didnt say it was directed to me

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was just giving my opinion on the matter

main dirge
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then why you sent it to me

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it has nothing to do with our convo

heady solstice
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because you were the one that started the discussion?

spice thistle
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Watching you two is like watching a mudfight

spring burrow
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logs on to XIV
sees all tomes are capped
Welp

spice thistle
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even phantasma?

main dirge
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rip

spice thistle
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jhock what are you doing

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go spend those on stuff and sell it

main dirge
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I wonder how I'll feel after logging after such long time

spice thistle
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fucking livia blew the hand

spring burrow
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I just bought stuff and put it on the MB

spice thistle
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ye do that

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I went from 100 to 900k in one night

spring burrow
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Caprice Fleece selling for a good bit still

spice thistle
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...then back to 100 in one day

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I have a list

main dirge
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I'll have to try to get a staff with high enough lvl to glam it with Heartless when I get back

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lvl restriction dumb

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I mean, you can lower your lvl to do low lvl stuff and you may already use high lvl appearance while doing so, why bother

spice thistle
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what are you talking about

main dirge
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staff I want to take glam on is higher lvl than one I use so I can't glam it

spice thistle
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And why don't you use that staff instead?

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If you are going to take the glamour anyways

main dirge
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for it's lvl, the stats it gives are bad

spice thistle
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Let me guess

main dirge
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probably not meant to be used outside of glamour

spice thistle
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you are using a scaevan and the weapon in interest is a green

spice thistle
spring heath
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neato

spice thistle
spice thistle
main dirge
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what's up with guy on right (his clothing)

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almost bare chest, big gloves and saggy pants

spice thistle
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he is a blacksmith

main dirge
spring burrow
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he's also in crippling debt and an alcoholic

spice thistle
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Also I discovered that rowena is crushing hard on him

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I found

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someone also madcrushing for rowena

spring burrow
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Larry no

urban kite
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No.

lost plinth
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did 15 tsukuyomi runs

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a doggo dropped

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thankfully(?) the person who's done 73 runs got it

urban kite
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did you do 73 runs for the dog?

main dirge
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k

lost plinth
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i didn't no

urban kite
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๐Ÿ˜”

wary gate
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good video

spice thistle
spring burrow
spice thistle
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ahaha

wary gate
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you disappoint me

spring burrow
heady solstice
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that's cursed

spring heath
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I can't find his Epic Dab so in personal disappointment have a silly face

spring burrow
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if ShB happens I should do the questline as Hildi

spring heath
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lol

spring burrow
spring heath
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wait wait what

spring burrow
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If you go back to the rising stones and talk to yshtola she talks about Graha's name and how it should be changed

spring heath
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pfff

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we all know the truth

timber crag
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Mom... those men are posing at each other. I'm scared

spring burrow
timber crag
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ROBOT PLATINUM! THE... pose?

spring heath
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lmao

timber crag
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I can't believe you pointed so hard at your enemy they imploded

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Natural talent. Isn't it?

wary gate
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minor spoilers for the owl house

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also all of my friends are playing 14 now

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and I just... sigh

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Legit question

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what is the appeal of Final Fantasy?

urban kite
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Story mostly

spice thistle
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Story

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Feels

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The battle system too

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As someone that went from Wotlk to BfA playing FFXIV has been the refresher of my life

spring heath
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If you hate it, nothing we say is going to make it appealing to you

wary gate
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I was gonna ask that next, what is the appeal of ffxiv personally, for you?

spice thistle
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For me?

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Well

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The story

wary gate
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This has nothing to do with any personal bias wolf

spice thistle
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If you ask me what part of the story I like

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Is well...you start in your capital as a scrub trying to be an adventurer...you become one and slowly go around, doing normal stuff

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Then in your first fuck up you realize that you have the echo

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that moment is when everything changes

wary gate
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I just see a lot of people getting into it as of late and just can't help but wonder what's drawing them in

spice thistle
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you get to meet great characters, thancred

spring heath
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I wouldn't call Thancred great

spice thistle
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The Sultana

spring heath
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lol

spice thistle
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stfu

spring heath
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๐Ÿ˜‰

spice thistle
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thancred is a gr8 boy

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you can't see that because you are a woman

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sho

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go play with sthola

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But the thing is, how you work your way up

spring heath
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In all seriousness, it's a well built story and I'm an emotional bitch so I can and have cried about probably everyone

wary gate
spice thistle
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You end up being a hero and having the bless of Hydaelyn

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...And then

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when you think you are perfect

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Oh boy, the game just opens your eyes

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Wolf knows what part of the game I am refering to, that is where I really got into FF

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because in all seriousness I was struggling with the game

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I was like "this is not like wow, sucks, blah blah blah"

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I had my typical wow fanboy switch, then when that part came in....I really got into it, I cried, where in no game before besides WoW Legion I have cried

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I enjoyed Heavensward too much

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Maybe extremely too much, became one with my class...then when everything was fine

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Again, the game reminds you of how hostile can life be

wary gate
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it's funny, cause I found it unbearably slow and the response was constantly "oh it gets better later just keep going" and I wonder how much of an impact that has on people

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I was talking about my guildmate recently and apparently you don't get like 70% of your paladin buttons until like level 50 I think it was?

spice thistle
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Aye

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At 50 you get your arr rotation

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tbh it still deals some damage

wary gate
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and he was going on about how the entire game is focused around the endgame but it keeps moving with the goalposts

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and that kinda sounds miserable?

spring heath
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Feels like WoW

spice thistle
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Well...

wary gate
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In wow you will have most of your rotation pretty early on

spice thistle
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tbh you don't really have a rotation at low levels in WoW

wary gate
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if not all of it

spice thistle
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Eh not really

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Like

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Mostly at 72 is where you have your endgame rotation

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back then is just

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spamming buttons

wary gate
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I'm level 40 on my mage

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ish

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and I have the entirety of the core of my rotation

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all I'm missing are some passives and big cooldowns

spice thistle
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So the thing is

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At level 50 is where you get your standard rotation, then 60 you get another upgrade and so on

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It's based on upgrades

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Yeah, it sucks a bit but

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The main combo of classes start at 26

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So

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DPS normally have three combos

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Your normal combo

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Your off-tool combo

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and your aoe combo

wary gate
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offtool?

spice thistle
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You get your normal ass combo

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I don't know how to call it

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but it is always the same most of the cases

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An attack that either gives you a buff, or debuff to the boss

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At level 50 you shall have both

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...

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At least for ARR classes

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Heavensward classes are more special

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You get them with your combo, your utilities and your roles

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Stormblood...

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Well they start almost completed

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Shadowbringers ho boy

wary gate
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so that's another thing

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"the story is great... oh but not the base story"

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"the combat is great... but not the basegame combat"

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etc.

urban kite
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Base story is like vanilla

spice thistle
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I mean

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We can't say that anymore

urban kite
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No we can

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It still sucks

spice thistle
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How was it revamped then?

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What changed?

urban kite
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Removed a couple of filler quests

spice thistle
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Ah well it's not that tedious

urban kite
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โ€œRevampโ€ is a stretch

spice thistle
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Post ARR right?

wary gate
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also vanilla was good enough that people clamored to have it back

spice thistle
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That is because BfA sucked enough to have people clamor to have it back

wary gate
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it's not that vanilla is bad it's just a lot clunkier, yet still satisfying

urban kite
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People clamoured for nostalgia and they got it back with xiv too

wary gate
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people were clamoring for it to come back for a long time before bfa

urban kite
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New game+ is a thing in xiv

spice thistle
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People wanted the original XIV and YoshiP just laughed

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Mostly because even he knows how much ass the original XIV sucked

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...And probably they don't have the servers or the original code considering it was taken to do XV if I am correct

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I honestly didn't feel ARR like

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That bad

spice thistle
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I mean it was cheesy and the VA sucked

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Like

urban kite
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It aint a game for everyone. God knows the gameplay isnt for me, community is very hit or miss but I enjoy the story. WoW barely had a story anymore and has great gameplay. Sโ€™about it

spice thistle
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Alphinaud's old voice was horribl

wary gate
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wow has a more coherent story now than ever before

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people just don't like the story

spice thistle
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After 1k retcons just to make things make sense even if it did before just to suit something they wanted to force in

wary gate
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I actually don't know what you're referring to

spice thistle
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And after that we have things like BfA

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I had hopes for BfA to be a good expac

wary gate
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we all did

spice thistle
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But after they announced SL they just

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decided to not try and fix it

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Like

wary gate
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wod was the same

spice thistle
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What the heck, even if it was a good move you just

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Don't do that

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Are we going to actually have to unsub every 2 expacs because the team cant get it goin?

wary gate
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wod only has 3 raids cause they just gave up

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the players hated it

spice thistle
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Like just notice it

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This stupid cycle of bad expac, good expac

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Why WoW really wants to keep at it?

wary gate
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well we had cata that was good

spice thistle
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I just don't really have any hopes, SL can be good and I hope it be

wary gate
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but it was the transition point to modern wow

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which a lot of people didn't like

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then MoP which was great

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but then people didn't like pandas

spice thistle
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MoP is my favorite still

wary gate
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then WoD which was pretty good but extremely empty

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and had some less than stellar systems

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good ideas, bad execution

spice thistle
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And that's what I am about

wary gate
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after that was legion

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which had a rough start

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but was one of the best xpacs later on

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and now we have BFA which almost works

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but that's the problem, it only almost works, it doesn't really just work

spice thistle
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With FF so far I have felt so...great, so natural. Everything of it is pleasing to me, yeah it was rough to adjust from WoW's GCD of 1.5 seconds to FFXIV's 2.5, but then as I advanced and got more, and explore the story of the game and the lore itself, I came to terms that it was a good game.

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A decent but cheesy story that kicked you in the feelings at the end, likeable characters, a nice community even if it is a hugfest and doesn't have addons or dps meters.

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The armor system for me is still weird

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considering it's more put together than WoW

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I feel that WoW has more options in mixing armor in this way

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And WoW has more mounts that FFXIV but

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I like the chocobo system

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Then Heavensward kicked in

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The music, the lore of the game, the voice actors have changed, it was a more mature story and less cheesy and once more it made me cry, characters that I disliked at first became characters I mourned, friends became enemies and that final trial was just a hit to the feels

wary gate
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I would just like to comment

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that the GCD is FFXIV actually pisses me off

spice thistle
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I would have love, however, experiment every expac when it was it's time, because people that I know that played them tell me how better it was back when there were more spells

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Because FFXIV has the same thing WoW has

wary gate
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especially early where you only have 2 abilties

spice thistle
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Less spells, more expacs

wary gate
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we didn't actually have that many more spells

spice thistle
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Well, I felt like back there we had more

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...Well, we had

wary gate
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there weren't specs really

spice thistle
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it's just that we haven't done anything

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Like

wary gate
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so you could grab any spells you wanted

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and spells had ranks

spice thistle
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We have been 3 expacs in WoW without new attacks at cap

wary gate
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however you wouldn't ever cast arcane blast as a mage

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you cast frostbolt

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fireblast, pyroblast, and arcane explosion

spice thistle
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Anyways, back to what I liked

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Then it came Stormblood

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And it was when I realized that...it wasn't probably that great, it has a very slow start, a character is just...annoying, forgettable landscapes that are annoyingly bad, their flight orbs was a mess...That until I reached the Eastern part of the game where it picked up

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But still

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It wasn't that good

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I get told that it was a bad expac in terms of story considering the high beacon Heavensward left

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but the gameplay was great considering it was the first time they added the class gauges

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So again

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It's something you should have tried on the time

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Then...queue music from shadowbringers

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It came Shadowbringeres

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For me it has to be one of the best expacs of the games I have ever played

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For me it goes along with Legion

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The soundtrack is amazing, the class they gave along are great, the combat system at 70 is just complete

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The GCD issue is compesated with the amount of OGCDs you can weave

wary gate
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yes but the problem seems to be getting there

spice thistle
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And then it came with one of the best written antagonists

wary gate
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also apparently if you do older content they just remove your buttons?

spice thistle
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Party Sync

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WoW copied it directly from FFXIV

wary gate
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does party sync remove your buttons?

spice thistle
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Party Sync disables attacks that aren't at that level

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So you sync at level 50, you will have only level 50 attacks

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In WoW if you sync to 30 you will have lvl 30 attacks too

wary gate
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hmmm

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I only see it as like... people use it to fly around their friends

spice thistle
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wat

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Well

wary gate
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to power level them

spice thistle
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In WoW your stats are too downscaled to the bis of that level

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FFXIV does it too but also disables your materia

wary gate
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materia is?

spice thistle
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Like the gems of WoW

wary gate
#

mhm

glass heart
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Yo is there a channel that allows me to ask for help

spice thistle
wary gate
#

...

glass heart
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I have a bunch of quest which are just super tedious

wary gate
glass heart
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Oh thank u

wary gate
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wait ffxiv requires a sub doesn't it?

spice thistle
#

Trials dont

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but unlike WoW you don't get to play with the trial level

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it just locks you out of the game

wary gate
#

?

spice thistle
#

Yeah

wary gate
#

I've levelled toons with trial people

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it was when I showed my friend wow

spice thistle
#

you see that in WoW if you run out of a sub you can play with lvl 20 chars with a lot of restrictions?

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In FFXIV Trial works like this

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You get your trial account, you can play as much as you want at the cap (60 in this case) you can't join a guild and thats it, the moment you buy the game and suscribe you play and blah blah

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When your subs runs out

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You can't get to play

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At all

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Old style sub baby

wary gate
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thing is yeah? I already gotta convince my dad to pay for my wow sub

spice thistle
#

F

wary gate
#

also

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I wouldn't wanna pay $30 a month

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and divide my time

spice thistle
#

Yeah

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Me either

wary gate
#

so I think I might just not even bother with ffxiv

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although that does beg the question...

spice thistle
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Why do people bother with FFXIV?

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Easy

wary gate
#

cause my friend, who I introduced to wow, didn't wanna play cause of the sub

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but he's on board with play ffxiv

spice thistle
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That's

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An easy question

wary gate
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I also find it really strange and annoying that wow is this evil addicting game that steals 15 a month from you but somehow ffxiv isn't?

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and other mmos aren't?

spice thistle
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You should be aware that right now WoW is known as the game with the worst expac on the run and that we don'tknow when the expac is coming in right

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It is in a state of being drought

wary gate
#

sure we're in a content drought

spice thistle
#

Like

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Probably matching with MoP

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And BfA has a really bad reputation

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Meanwhile

wary gate
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ok but wow has always been considered an "evil addicting game" and I've never understood it

spice thistle
#

FFXIV has the reputation of having the best expac so far on the run, has a raid made by Nier Automata's director, just received a trial overhaul where you can play another great expac and is running with content for the rest

dense trout
#

@wary gate how many wow 120s do you have

spice thistle
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Your friend is just

dense trout
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i've been lazy to look into good options for gold making, but one reliable way

wary gate
#

uhhh

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I'd have to count

spice thistle
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Doing the most logical thing and jumping into the wagon that has the party

wary gate
#

I know I have over 20 level 100+

spice thistle
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Many of my friends too have jumped from WoW to FFXIV

dense trout
#

if you do the 2k gold emissary on 2 characters every time it comes up (both factions) you'll get enough gold to pay for a sub

spice thistle
#

People jump to either another MMO or to Classic

wary gate
#

I know that

spice thistle
#

And if Blizzard doesn't fix how WoW treats his longtime players

wary gate
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but it requires me to play 8.3

spice thistle
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Longtime players with leave

wary gate
#

and I don't want to play 8.3

dense trout
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lol

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world quests are ok

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potentially 6k / hour

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from the emissaries alone

wary gate
#

I guess I am kind of annoyed cause they're all getting into it and I tried to and just can't bring myself to enjoy it

spice thistle
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Thing is blizzard is trying to make WoW very casual friendly, as in, extremely casual friendly

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And the things they make for their longtime players aren't just

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correct

wary gate
#

I think wow is in a pretty good spot right now design wise

spice thistle
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And even if people feed them with feedback, it won't fix it

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People like it

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People wont like it

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That's the problem, they want everyone to like it

wary gate
#

I just think they need to focus on making the base game work

spice thistle
#

And when they focus on making everyone like it, it ends being hated by everyonre

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Like

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the artifacts

wary gate
#

instead of filling in the cracks with systems

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because people enjoy wow at it's core

spice thistle
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Those were a great thing

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But then, they tried to make it extremely different, taking all the bad things from them and limiting it and created the Azerite system

wary gate
#

but then that had other problems

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it introduced the illusion of choice

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which is worse than no choice at all

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if AP was not tied to specific artifacts legion woulda been almost perfect

spice thistle
#

When you design a system that changes powers

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You are aware that people will try to minmax it, which is not bad

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But then

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you try to nerf that

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it ends being worse

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AP should have been tied to the player

wary gate
#

100%

spice thistle
#

And not so tedious

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Like

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BfA fixed the problem of Azerite being too few instead of too much but still

spice thistle
#

These are some of the reasons I stopped enjoying the game

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If I played it was because

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RP

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When my RP people went away I had to do something

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I stopped my sub and just

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hoped for the best

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Then someone came to me and was like "Try this one, it's called FFXIV."

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I am not foreign of the Final Fantasy games so I gave it a try, got my character, started bomo

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boom*

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So different

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Extremely

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I couldn't even set up bars

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I thought the UI was too few

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The attacks weren't as many as I leveled up

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Then

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I received my first combo and thought "huh, combos in an mmo?"

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then leveld more, met more characters and people that helped me to understand it better

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Now it made sense why

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And now

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I am a savage raider almost reaching the final boss of the Eden Tier and we are going to give it a try to the Ultimate

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As someone that haven't cry a lot in these games, the new patch was

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indeed, a rollercoaster of emotions

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And with this patch it just told me how great the people of this game where, yes, it has its flaws but heck, it's enjoyable

wary gate
#

I think wow is better with friends

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I think ffxiv needs friends

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at least from what I experienced

#

because going through it solo feels like wading in mud

spice thistle
#

Every multiplayer game is better with friends

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I mean

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Emu went solo

wary gate
#

and having other people there would fill in that gcd gap

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also the like... level 2 offensive cooldown I got as a warrior didn't feel good

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because I didn't wanna press it

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cause it was a cooldown

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or that mighta been gladiator

spice thistle
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glad

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but i think all the arr classes get their main buff at low level since it's important

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it shall be used everytime it is on cd

wary gate
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yeah in group content or vs rares or whatever

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but when I'm killing 10 boars... what the frick am I gonna do with it?

spice thistle
#

...5

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not 10

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overpulling at low level is

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deadly

wary gate
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No it's an old joke

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how every wow quest is just kill 10 boars

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not all at once

solemn cloak
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There's no such thing as over-pulling when you're in a tank spec that can heal itself loo

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Lol*

wary gate
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there's no specs in ffxiv

solemn cloak
#

Oh, never played that I don't think

wary gate
#

yeah this is offtopic

solemn cloak
#

sorry I apparently didn't read the whole conversation lll

wary gate
#

where we talk things that aren't wow

solemn cloak
#

Lol*

spice thistle
#

But yeah

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I shall head to bed

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Sorry that you can't enjoy FFXIV

wary gate
#

I mean... I think I'd enjoy it if I had people to play with

spice thistle
#

ask your friends to level together

wary gate
#

I've asked in the past

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they never communicate

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like i've said hey, I wanna play league or whatever, can you tell me when you guys are doing stuff and the response was "we don't really do much"

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also, it's always a discord call with like 8 people and I do not wanna be a part of that

spice thistle
#

Tf

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Are these really your friends

wary gate
#

school friends

spice thistle
#

F

wary gate
#

but uhh, no more school

#

right now I think they're watching a movie

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but I'm going to bed

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and all y'all are doin yer own thing and I don't wanna be one of those idiots who's like "anyone wanna start new characters??

spice thistle
#

I mean

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Tbh the reason I don't do other characters is because I despise alting but if you really want to come back to it I could make a character

wary gate
#

up to you

#

if you ever wanna play

spice thistle
#

I mean sure

#

Will need to go to another realm to make a character

#

I wonder what

#

Hmm

#

You want to be tank right

wary gate
#

what's wrong with crystal?

#

machinist is the only thing that really interests me

spice thistle
#

Oh

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It's just that I can't make two characters in Mateus

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My subscription doesn't permit me to do so

spring heath
#

Gobliiiiiin

wary gate
#

what

spice thistle
#

I'm with the 12 buckaros

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The cheaper one

spring heath
#

Yeah there's two versions of the sub

spice thistle
#

It's genius

#

If you aren't an alter just

#

Take the cheaper one

spring heath
#

Yeah it's pretty cool
I just wish I was allowed to rearrange my characters

#

Since I have the 'full' sub

wary gate
#

maybe

spice thistle
#

Krk

#

As a trial you start with that so

#

I suggest goblin yeah

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So we can have the leveling boost

spring heath
#

If it's still there anyway

spice thistle
#

I'm going as melee

wary gate
#

Sure when I wake up

marble harbor
#

Hey

velvet rover
#

hi

marble harbor
#

I am just coming back to wow after a long long long break!

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This whole discord thing is new to me.

#

Is this the only wow related chat room? This Wowhead one?

velvet rover
#

no there is a lot this is the one channel on this server that isn't for wow thought haha if you search there a few wow servers

marble harbor
#

Oh man.

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How do I find them.

velvet rover
#

there is a button that says explore public servers on the left

marble harbor
#

Thank you! It was so nice to meet you!

velvet rover
#

Nice to meet you too! good luck

marble harbor
#

Yeah I am gonna need it I might be too old for all these hash tags.

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lol

velvet rover
#

i feel you there im still figuring things out myself haha

#

from what i can tell the # means its a text channel

#

and it depends on the server how many channels they have

wary gate
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if you wanna talk wow

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the other ones are just lfg channels

marble harbor
#

Thank you!

wary gate
#

I'm gonna get flak for this

#

So get it out now

#

I play FFXIV muted

#

Dafire has been typing for a long time eloS

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@hardy forge you ok?

hardy forge
#

@wary gate sorry for the long writeup

#

was catching up on messages

wary gate
#

no it's fine

hardy forge
#

about to drop the receipts

#

prepare for text wall

wary gate
#

I just wanna know what you have to say

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doggo gon go bork bork

hardy forge
#

@spice thistle 1) people were clamoring for classic ever since MoP(and possibly even earlier),so it had nothing to do with BFA being shit,check your facts, 2) the problem with "good" expacs,is that multiple occasions have shown,that if they dont hit the ground running at launch,they will take the entire rest of the expac fixing the systems that were at launch,taking MOST of the resources away from actually fun content, 3) the "announce next expac,then dont fix bfa" is exactly the same as they did with WoD and no one complained, 4) WoD had the same problem as BfA, garrisons were broke at launch(azerite armor for bfa) so they spent the entire expac fixing them instead of making fun content, 5) the reason why i personally(and emu too to an extent as he has said himself), is that the community is wayyy too PC and way too easily offendable,like worse than a hair trigger(and we know that's true), the devs themselves enforce this too, the difficulty is no way up to par with what i'd prefer in an mmo,the content after the story dries up quicker than classic,6) the armor variety(and even the looks themselves for actual armor,not sweaters and t-shirts) is NOWHERE comparable to wow,you could show someone who doesnt play any mmos,10 healer sets,and they'd go "yeah it's the same exact robe with a different texture", wow reuses models,ff14 reuses armor(not in the literal sense)also the think that they make just one set for fending,and then take that same set and dissect it more and more for each armor type until it's just a robe and nothing else. 7) the "we've been without attacks at cap" is because from a BfA interview going over MoP's bloat of abilities,they said "every expac we'd look at what the class was missing and make a new ability for it" and that made every single class super homogenized and felt like shit,which is the SAME THING THE FF14 DEVS DID

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8) i'll agree that a nice amount of ShB tracks are good,but while some people may like that 80% of the tracks(outside of collabs like nier) in EVERY expac are remixes of the main song,but i personally dont really like that. 9) WoW copying things from other games is nothing new,even the wow token is ripped 1:1 from guildwars 2, 10) you also cant invite anyone to a party,you cant whisper to people,you cant add people to friendslist,you cant put things on marketboard,and a whole lot of fun other restrictions (as a FF14 trial),that's not just "it" mak,you're basically being forced to play singleplayer unless someone else invites you or you queue for duty finder, @wary gate 11) wow has been conceived as the "life drainer" ever since the vanilla days,there is TENS of articles over the years of "this bad thing happened because they were playing too much wow",and no other mmo has this,wow is kind of the scapegoat at this point, 12) "someone" came to you,it was ME DIO, 13) "combos in an mmo" is a kind of clueless assumption,just because they dont tell you "combos with" doesnt mean there arent combos,a lot of skills in wow are supposed to be pressed in a certain order,some even light up in sequence like dancer,get your facts right part 2. 14) "how great the people of this game were" yeah,right until you say ANYTHING BAD AT ALL about the game or their performance,remember the guy who got actual death threats because he made O N E video,criticising the game(not even that much) ??.

#

you're welcome

spice thistle
#

I'm so glad I block dafire

hardy forge
#

thanks Mak,appreciate it

#

after i got you into 14,now you block me

#

sadpepe

wary gate
#

wait why do you block dafire

#

they're a chill dude

hardy forge
#

but yeah,TLDR if you dont want to read wall of text, "i cant play ff14 as anything more than for the story,because of various reason including community,difficulty,content"

wary gate
#

bit of a meme

#

but chill

hardy forge
#

also did i mention,that they destroy the house you spent multiple hard earned millions on,if you dont log in after 45 days?

#

yeah real fun hostage situation there

wary gate
#

wait what

hardy forge
#

it's true,was apparently their only solution to not have the super rich players buy up all the housess

wary gate
#

it's almost like real estate is a bad system

#

oh noooo

#

whoever could have seen this coming

hardy forge
#

add upon that the fact to even buy a house,you first have to find a buyable plot,then you have to stand around like a fool for 2-24+ hours,clicking this sign,hoping it randomly lights up and lets you buy the house,and people use bots for the clicking too

#

emu i think had to wait in the same place for 18 hrs straight for his house,

#

RIVETING gameplay

wary gate
#

wait

#

machinist is at 50?

#

I thought it was 30

hardy forge
#

machinist is at 50,but starts at 30

#

you need to be lvl 50 to access heavensward/ishgard

#

then when you actually pick it up,it starts lvl 30

wary gate
#

ugh

#

literally no other class interests me

main dirge
#

ngl I reached 50 only for Samurai

main dirge
#

might have to reach 80 with my BLM just for Nier gear rofl

lost plinth
#

tbh kata, they realised after doing HW jobs the way they did (must have msq access to areas to unlock them) that it was shit, so they never did it like that again

wary gate
#

Full on thunderstorm in my area

#

Woke me right up

main dirge
#

why did it wake you tho

main dirge
#

is that marc's alt acc

#

why did he post the spanish version better than english one

#

ty mods

graceful lance
main dirge
main dirge
#

@empty swallow ||HE TURNED INTO A FRIGGIN GIRAFFE||

#

"I'm not square, I'm cool"

empty swallow
#

Yesss sirrr

#

So you got past the robin moment GWseremePeepoHappy

#

Absolute banger

hardy forge
empty swallow
#

Wtf

#

Iโ€™m blocking u too dud

#

Smh dud

hardy forge
#

๐Ÿ˜‚

empty swallow
#

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ

hardy forge
#

Friend sent it to me

empty swallow
#

Litty

hardy forge
#

๐Ÿ“  ๐Ÿ–จ๏ธ

empty swallow
#

Donโ€™t download it pls, Iโ€™m a chaos boi now

#

Gonna need i

#

U*

#

I already spent enough moving to chaos, no money for fantasia

hardy forge
#

Next time i get a sub sure,
Prob going to play Fall guys with the bois after my wow sub ends in 2 weeks

empty swallow
#

Poggers

#

Iโ€™m not subbed to ff either

#

Probably wonโ€™t for a long time either

#

I have 2 choicez tbh

#

Resub now or resub after Iโ€™m done with 9.0

hardy forge
#

The content of 5.3 alone is going to take 2 days at most

#

Not a full month of sub

#

So after 9.0 is more likely

main dirge
#

I should cancel my wow again

#

haven't been playing for some time

hardy forge
#

Dew it

main dirge
#

maybe I would if someone gifted be brutosaur

empty swallow
#

I wasted a month of my wow sub

hardy forge
#

No lul, you need to embrace capitalism

empty swallow
#

Didnโ€™t do jack shit so far end of jul/start of aug

#

I still havenโ€™t even leveled everything

hardy forge
#

Oof central,go get jaina mount

empty swallow
#

@hardy forge Got into a group for u

#

I'll get itnow

main dirge
#

I'll find One Piece

#

someday

hardy forge
#

Great ๐Ÿ…ฑ๏ธonte,now watch ppl die to avalanche

empty swallow
#

I am ppl

main dirge
#

hi ppl

empty swallow
#

Haven't done jaina since 8.1

#

lmfao

main dirge
#

I'm pretzel

empty swallow
#

what is this no interrupt strat people are doing now

#

I don't wanna wipe the group cause I don't kno how 2 ๐Ÿง€ ๐Ÿ’

main dirge
#

||GEAR THIRD||

empty swallow
lost plinth
#

same i haven't done jaina since current content

#

but idc for the mount so

#

whatever

#

dunno how hard it is/isn't now

empty swallow
#

jaina ded

#

no mount

#

broken game

heady solstice
spice thistle
#

I'm blocking daf just for that wall

graceful lance
#

i started playing wow yesterday

#

im having fun

main dirge
#

what's wow

#

what's having fun

graceful lance
#

๐Ÿ˜”

main dirge
#

why did you put those two in one message

graceful lance
#

because im having fun

#

apparently i won't have fun in a few weeks

main dirge
graceful lance
#

oh no

main dirge
#

are u ok

heady solstice
#

Having fun in wow

main dirge
#

no one asked

heady solstice
#

Ok

#

I asked myself

empty swallow
#

@graceful lance Don't listen to anyone, you will love bfa even as a new player cause you have 3 patches worth of content to run through

#

WoW for the first time through is one of the best experiences I had

neon hinge
#

I loved my newbie days

main dirge
#

for me quite opposite

#

everyone was so much against letting me raid

spice thistle
#

I can see why

neon hinge
#

That's just bc you're bad

spice thistle
#

Kek

neon hinge
#

But rodrigoo is a good player

main dirge
#

being selfish today aren't we

#

can kinda see why you're not playing wow yourself

empty swallow
#

I didn't touch a single raid in legion either

#

I was too busy looking at all this cool stuff ahead of me

main dirge
#

I touched some raiding in Legion

empty swallow
#

In bfa I switched tho

spice thistle
#

Ah bo ho

#

All the raids I did were pugs

empty swallow
#

yikes

main dirge
#

can kinda see why

#

no one would want you in guild

#

kek

neon hinge
#

I did some mythic raiding on legion

empty swallow
#

I don't understand why people would rather pug than go into a guild

neon hinge
#

But I had to stop playing because my partner and I started living together

spice thistle
#

Because moonguard

#

That's why

empty swallow
#

Your fault

spice thistle
#

Moon guard and ragnaros

empty swallow
#

why are you on an RP realm

#

e tu

spice thistle
#

Becus I rpd

neon hinge
#

RP realms best realms

spice thistle
#

Ofc

neon hinge
#

Tho why are you on MG lol

#

Come wyrmrest

spring heath
#

Too much work

empty swallow
#

I can't imagine being on an RP realm ever

spice thistle
#

Wyrmrest for Horde

spring heath
#

all my shit is on Moon Guard now

main dirge
#

been in guild but it was kinda trashy, pushing higher difficulty with barely people with good gear instead of helping others get better gear to do heroics/mythica

empty swallow
spice thistle
#

I'm in MG and WRA

neon hinge
#

smh you guys

#

Just pay a billion usd and realm transfer yourself and your friends

spice thistle
#

MG for Alliance ,WrA for Horde

spring heath
#

Seriously though
I have 2 characters on WrA and 48 on Moon Guard (on my primary), I'm not leaving any time soon

main dirge
#

wait

#

he really

spice thistle
#

Tf wolf

main dirge
#

plays on rp realm

neon hinge
#

Damn girl

#

48's a lot XD

empty swallow
#

I have around 30 ish chars all on draenor

#

๐Ÿคง

spice thistle
#

How can you manage

empty swallow
#

EU obv

#

can't be a cringe NA person

spring heath
#

Draenor is so easy to bypass

spice thistle
#

How can all you manage I don't even

main dirge
#

Draenor peeps

spring heath
#

Oh wait

#

realm

main dirge
#

๐Ÿ‘Œ

spring heath
#

Because I'm a fuckin lunatic, Mak, how have you not understood this

empty swallow
#

Draenor only relevant realm in 2020

spring heath
#

I have a spreadsheet

empty swallow
#

oh no a spreadsheet

main dirge
#

Kazzak can suck

spring heath
#

Monte I will punt you

empty swallow
#

Why is this a tip

#

for a league vid

spring heath
#

ew, league

empty swallow
#

ew rp realms

main dirge
#

what vid is that

empty swallow
main dirge
#

monte Carlo

spring heath
#

I'd say ew your face but I'm not mean

spice thistle
#

Ew your face

empty swallow
#

Some shit about why pros land skillshots more than any normal players

neon hinge
#

I miss wow...

empty swallow
#

I miss u inter

main dirge
#

pro tip about skillshots

empty swallow
#

@spice thistle Ew ur chars

spice thistle
#

I do but unless they come with something good in sL I won't come back

#

Ew ur hands

#

Also wolf

#

Quick

main dirge
#

is that rivers are lower than rest of terrain which affects skillshots

spring heath
#

Hmm?

spice thistle
#

Best way to farm poetics

spring heath
#

As soon as I figure it out I'll let you know

spice thistle
#

Gfdi

spring heath
#

anyway, hit up MSQ and then do uhhhh

#

aetherchemical?

#

over and over

spice thistle
#

I need the mahatmas woman

#

The zodiac weapon demands it

spring heath
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Now that all my jobs are 50+ I'll get poetics for literally anything I do

main dirge
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I'd need to play some off meta on normals

spice thistle
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Use garen

spring heath
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spin to win, kids

main dirge
spice thistle
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Hahaha

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What the fuck