🗣️┃chill-chat

[austere tree]

but i am learning the software now so it's quite basic did some EQ some revese, some drum patterns

[hoary wind]

Suno can give some really good samples sometimes. I've prompted it for things like drum loops before. Good way to integrate AI into your workflow. But, as you're just starting out with it, have fun experimenting 😄

[fast rivet]

what do you think of my newest udio track?

[hoary wind]

I'm always amazed at how well AI can create music.
I'm even more amazed at things like this where we're able to bend a music generating AI into doing other things

[fast rivet]

thats my main goal... sound like something that doesnt exist instead of trying to be like someone else... and thats why ai music is so cool for me. only my imagination is the limit basically. i dont have to buy fancy snths or vst plugins, learn them and exploit them.

[hoary wind]

In case you missed it, I made this a while ago. I ended up calling it "The Moisture Demon" and have been generating a LOT of really weird, unnerving video clips with Noisee to go along with this: https://discordapp.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1159929934270181437/1228156146142023700

[strange gorge]

Kinda my favorite part

[pallid gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZjjCpXXKqU alan walker using suno

[orchid gust]

i found the zombies

[eager warren]

https://tenor.com/view/d-gray-man-dgrayman-dgm-qazira-allen-walker-gif-10521265540808329369

[tardy pasture]

can someone suggest an ai tool that is good in generating music videos to my created songs?

[odd hill]

This is incredible, great creation!

[frozen temple]

First minute sounds like a 2000s pre-opening to a movie.

[frank panther]

Who is the better mascot for my lofi channel:
Worried Astronaut or Cat in a Submarine?

[hoary wind]

I think the cat.
It's the internet. People like cats.
Also the picture is brighter, and the space-age-looking submarine seems cooler.

[fresh aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbT1EoZz28

[patent ocean]

cat. But fix the eyes on the cat. 🙂

[vale lake]

the cat

I think people have success with those

[graceful swan]

I am also with the cat.
Because firstly Cat.
But more importantly the worried look on the Astronaut one doesn't really fit in my opinion.

But something about the cat feels a bit off as well. The way it stares right at you with this weird look... But maybe thats just me 😅

[hoary wind]

You'd stare like that too if someone put you in a watertight pet carrier to visit the underwater vet!

[umbral wadi]

I was paying attention to that one at first in hopes of getting some basic information, but they have no idea what they're even talking about.

"Scrubbing the internet" "Scrapping" not scraping. There is a difference.

And this is supposed to be a lawyer? Their whole bread and butter is supposed to be words and meanings.

They can't get the basic terminology correct and we're supposed to take them seriously?

Oh and be sure to join my course to be your own record label...

[hoary wind]

I see classic YT "shock pose", I don't click

[umbral wadi]

Probably good advice.

[hoary wind]

Also the text looking like a tabloid headline

[umbral wadi]

I tried to give them a chance though because no one else is really approaching the subject from the legalitities aspect, but the more they talked the more obvious it became they don't actually know anything about the topic to which they are claiming to be speaking on. And the producer dude is just as bad.

Instead of trying to understand or consider legal ramifications all they do is spread misinformation and act as a lightning rod for others to also spread misinformation and be mad.

It may do wonders for their channel but I really really wouldn't want anyone like this to be the face of any legal concerns I had regarding AI and music.

[frank panther]

would NOT want this lawyer defending me in court.
Just sayin

[umbral wadi]

But..but...she has purple hair!

And librarian glasses!

Surely the best dressed lawyer is the winner, right?

😅

[frank panther]

Does she walk around with an OOPSIE face?

[umbral wadi]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal wadi]

I wonder what instruments to use in an intro

[frank panther]

I don't think the judge would care for that
(I am an expert. I've watched Perry Mason)

[frank panther]

what is the genre?

[umbral wadi]

Classic Mason or the newer one?

[frank panther]

ugh! you have to ASK???

[tidal wadi]

dark new wave

[umbral wadi]

LOL

[frank panther]

🤔 I have been trying
[my genre buildup]
or
[my genre intro]

so yours might be
[New Wave buildup]
or some variation that references the genre, and Suno should make something appropriate

[graceful swan]

Ah I did not click the video because I was expecting stuff like that...
Is it that nonsense again? Like with Image AI ripping apart artworks from the internet in realtime and pasting it together to generate the output?

[umbral wadi]

Not so much the real time bit but otherwise yes.

[graceful swan]

yikes...

[umbral wadi]

Along with a huge heaping serving of FUD.

[strange gorge]

Unrelated to cat, but your suggestions on managing the static/hiss/metalic tones on generations by using the tags you suggested seem to be working excellently for me, many kudos to you

[frank panther]

Cat on an Atomic Surfboard....?

[hoary wind]

Neon surfboard

[graceful swan]

I am so exhausted by these type of people.. I have started to just quit any online discussion/video/other content that has a negative view on AI which is probably not good as well because I miss the true counter points but it is just sooo much nonsense I can't..

[late crown]

Did anybody say cat?? https://suno.com/song/33307ef0-62de-41ee-a748-236d219796e1

[hoary wind]

Honestly I'm just tired in general of everything being clickbaity or desperate engagement attempts. Modern internet is really bad in that respect.

[umbral wadi]

It is the tradgey of our times that we no longer can argue with reason and are surrounded by emotional appeals.

[frozen temple]

Neither side is great at it tbh. And both get obscured by drivel and the actual good points never get attention.

[strange gorge]

a moderate, the worst kind

[graceful swan]

I think I only had 2 discussions so far that where an actual exchange about this type of stuff where after the discussion both had a changed view on the subject matter.

[strange gorge]

Anti AI is this ~moments~ 'remix isn't real, digital art isn't real' thing

But it is just that, a moment

It's a tool that is finding its way into people's hands

Especially when it always gets to the real argument: How do people get paid

Valid, but someone is, even if they are using AI

The idea that executives somewhere are typing prompts into LLMs is absurd

[frank panther]

I'm not done complaining that Johnny Cash never went to prison.
(total fraud lyrics)

[strange gorge]

The real problem is

But nobody wants to talk about that so instead robot steal my job no I will not adapt

[hoary wind]

Gotta laugh when there's an app with both Suno and Udio in it's title and the images for it are just nonsense like this (not installing it, just browsing around)

[orchid gust]

@umbral wadi i tried previous to link a utube video, of the fake udio music stuff, all i got was aload of abuse here, so i don't bother with that anymore, it just doesn't seem to be worth it.

personally thou, i do thing that a voice training person would know the difference between fake copies of artist and real people artist voices . (just saying)

@late crown

[orchid gust]

yeap, don't know why but udio keep on changing the prompts to movie track:)

[graceful swan]

Ah I always turn that function off I want to see which tags do what 😅

[orchid gust]

got to remember to do that next timee:)

[spiral glacier]

Hi everyone i want to use bot suno for generate my music but i dont know how

[graceful swan]

it resets every time you reload the page as well quite annoying

[ashen fjord]

Chirp bot is retired, use the website https://suno.com

Some helpful starting links: https://suno.wiki
https://youtu.be/lj8utBd_IUM

[spiral glacier]

ok but i having isssu and since monday last week i contacting support is never have reply me

[strange gorge]

They just told you, there is no bot

There was, but no longer

[spiral glacier]

I know, but I was wondering what was going on

[orchid gust]

it old that why? has suno has updated to v3

[frozen temple]

Yup Enemy of all, friend of none.

[orchid gust]

noisee
https://discord.com/channels/1198986785406062623/1201411864895180913

[strange gorge]

hell yeah

Now we just need the ability to upload custom images to Suno but I also suspect that won't be exactly how it works

[tidal wadi]

Is there any way to train an IA and then they cover our songs?

The songs we made on here I mean

[frozen temple]

I like that.

I kind of expected something like that from the name

[strange gorge]

That's always the rough general idea of the guy

Past his prime, just chilling making music on his own

Insanely talented though

Well not on his own, but for himself

[minor barn]

how do i fight a vampire

[ebon flax]

Honestly it's not that bad 😆 ... she used the wrong word when she said "scrubbing", and the guy used the wrong word when he said "scrapping", I don't see that as a big deal. I mean they should know the right words, but scraping isn't generally associated with traditional music so I can see how they might be less familar with the term.

I watched the original Udio video she did and this one also. Despite the clickbait cover I think the information is pretty reasonable. There's nothing that she says that most people here don't already think anyway. The clickbait covers are definitely stupid though 😛

[graceful swan]

nah nah nah nah it doesn't even get the basics right it's complete bullshit

[ebon flax]

hmm i don't really agree, otherwise there's lot of people you wouldn't listen to because they are uninformed on some specific part of something

[graceful swan]

Exactly yes

if this "specific part" is some very basic thing about the stuff it only shows the person does not really care about the technicalities and follows a different goal

[ebon flax]

Yeah, i hear ya. I just don't think the video is that bad after watching the whole thing

[tidal wadi]

any good apps to create an AI voice?

[graceful swan]

Is it though? Or is it just a "well made" opinion piece without any real basis in reality? Do they understand how the AI works? Do they know what they talk about? Or is just an ad to become your own record label?

[ebon flax]

it's just a pretty good "basic" video on the topic (the original Udio one she did was a more thorough one). I'm honestly happy to watch videos coming from people in the music industry that don't say "AI = Bad". We need as much of this as possible. It's just a pity from the video cover it appears negative lol

in programming, i remember a lot of people were anti-AI and then there was this slow drift into acceptance, and now nearly every programmer uses AI autocomplete. You can kinda feel this happening with music right now, and these neutral/positive videos help that

[graceful swan]

Hm..
still off-putting. not my kinda content with the clickbait and the lack of research on terminology. It's an important topic and if such errors occure and are not even noticed by post production and corrections edited in I can't trust the rest to be researched as well and I have to check everything myself which defeats the purpose of watching a video..

But I am also really fed up with stuff like this so my opinion might be stronger than necessary

[ebon flax]

understandable! I have a feeling you probably know the "lay of the land" with this stuff anyway (well I'm just guessing), the video isn't really saying anything new

[ebon flax]

yea those clickbait youtube covers are definitely a bad thing lol

[graceful swan]

instant turn off. On Desktop browser I have an extension that changes the thumbnail to random part in video 🤣

[hoary wind]

That sounds incredibly useful lol

[tidal wadi]

I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GOOOO

[ebon flax]

what's that Kits AI thing, isn't that for voices?

[tidal wadi]

but we can't create a voice, can we

[graceful swan]

What you mean "create" from scratch or like train it on your own voice for example

[ebon flax]

not sure haha, i just know Kits AI can do something with voices 🤷‍♂️

[tidal wadi]

I have tried few times but couldn't make music there

[graceful swan]

What is your goal? What do you want the voice to do?

[tidal wadi]

I want to create a voice '^^ for my character haha

actually I want to make the same voice singing the songs I made so far¨

[graceful swan]

So this is possible but rather complicated if you want to create a voice and not clone one. And it will probably not have the best quality.

But as far as I know on eleven labs you can edit a voice in a kind of voice creator but I don't know how much can be tuned. Then you could use that voice to generate a lot of spoken text and train an RVC model on it and split your songs with UVR and convert the voice with RVC. But as I said this is not easy and quality will not be great

I would start by seeing if eleven labs Voice Editor can achieve a voice you want

[tidal wadi]

I have made the songs in Suno and own the rights but idk how we can change it

[graceful swan]

You will have to split it into instrumental and vocal stems. Then you can convert the voice with yet another AI. But you first need the Voice. And it needs to be one you are allowed to use so either permission or an AI voice

[tidal wadi]

how do we split instrumental and vocal

[graceful swan]

UVR
give me a second

[frozen temple]

[graceful swan]

https://github.com/Anjok07/ultimatevocalremovergui

[tidal wadi]

or maybe should I clone the voice I like among the ones I have made so far

[graceful swan]

Do you mean in Songs from suno?
That will be very very hard to get something useful out of that

[tidal wadi]

yeah that might be too hard

[graceful swan]

look into eleven labs voicelab
See if you can do a voice there that sounds like you want. If that works I can see and help with the rest and maybe it will work but I wouldn't hold my breath for something amazing this is a really complex experiment

If you have a longer song with a voice you like you are comfortable with sharing you can post it or dm me and I could see if it produces something useful

[tidal wadi]

I found a lovely voice in there 😄

[graceful swan]

You can try if the elevenlabs voice changer already works good enough. Should be somewhere on the site as well. Just make sure the voice can be used commercially.

Hmm now i kinda want to see if I can make a voiceclone out of a suno song... gonna try tomorrow with some of mine 🤣

If it works good enough I'll let you know

[tidal wadi]

how to change the voice

[graceful swan]

on elevenlabs? Or in general?

[tidal wadi]

yes on eleven

[graceful swan]

Search for the Voice Changer.
Should be there somewhere but it might be that it can not really sing

[wild nimbus]

/chirp what happenedddd

[graceful swan]

bot is no more
you have to use the site (suno.com)

[vale lake]

excellent! Glad it's working, it seems to have helped several people thus far, so presumably it's not only applicable to my particular genre

which is great, I'm sure there will be edge cases, but likely the same concept, namely choosing noise heavy tagging, will help.

[tidal wadi]

I am trying DUBBING

[vale lake]

and of course, there's always post-post-vocalization

when all else fails

[tidal wadi]

@graceful swan not really singing that's so weird haha and creepy

[graceful swan]

singer-songwriter xyz soloist
has served me well also.. just a gamble if you get your actual prompt with clean vocals or a happy sing along with acoustic guitar but that's expected I suppose

[vale lake]

yea, that one also works pretty often

the ones I've been using lately are insanely clean, but they really slow it down

so you have to have a good intro

like, I have a lot of gens I didn't put put bc too boring

but the voice

[strange gorge]

The reasoning is pretty sound too, awesome you figured it out

[graceful swan]

Ah well than there is probably only the RVC way... I will check tomorrow if I can make it work with a suno song as only basis but I think it won't work.. quality wise.. don't have many other ideas. You could make the eleven labs tts speak a lot and train RVC on its output but you would have to read TOS it's probably not allowed

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/46eecb00-51dc-4a42-96a4-4eedc9a9abd0

this was it

I have so many clear gens

[graceful swan]

I need more space in the style prompts 🤣

[vale lake]

but I ended up deciding I needed to go back and totally redo

but with an energetic instrumental open

it's just too... meh. I know it can be better.

[graceful swan]

recently i have slapped "polyphonic violin virtuoso" at the end of everything. Quite interesting how strong that is. Eats a lot of prompt space though and without polyphonic its not as great.. epic works in a pinch as replacement

[solid vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGCA2szF5k

[tidal wadi]

@graceful swan they give me only posh accents

[solid vector]

give it a shot if you want @jaunty thicket

[jaunty thicket]

its suno made ?

[solid vector]

nope before

[vale lake]

oooooh

[solid vector]

made a year ago

[vale lake]

that sounds powerful

virtuoso is always a good one if you can wrangle it

[graceful swan]

gimme a sec

[vale lake]

ultra

will speed it up further

ima have to slap one real quick

before I go back to work

[solid vector]

oh dang

it was made 2 years ago

I feel old

[jaunty thicket]

oh

i maybe found on part that can be sampled

[graceful swan]

One sample
https://suno.com/song/766a4047-267c-49f9-be0f-b6fbbcf06e7d

Almost instrumental sample
https://suno.com/song/a9bdd719-c772-4d81-bdcd-c17f1dde53eb

[solid vector]

👀

nice

its very different than what ive seen some people post so no problem if nothing can be remixed

xD

[jaunty thicket]

bro

[graceful swan]

Hm maybe it's a dead end then.. Will check my other idea tomorrow and report back

[jaunty thicket]

i remixed that

so "different" idk this word

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/4aaa287c-0bc7-4725-a354-2d42217fbbc8

[solid vector]

thats a good answer

omg that beat

rapping over a video-game level

[tidal wadi]

my character is british but not posh

[jaunty thicket]

I EVEN ADDED JERSEY

[vale lake]

gimme da brogl

[jaunty thicket]

LISTEN THE JERSEY PART

[vale lake]

I like the breakdown

when she starts doing some picking

[graceful swan]

got the virtuoso part at least

I really like playing around with that. It's really cool how it can replace the lead guitar in metal and stuff with a violin

tends to confuse higher pitched vocals with a violin though and vice versa

[onyx moat]

Ahahaha... Mouse makes a difference 😄

[vale lake]

yea, I've had that in interesting ways

where you can have a vocal transform into a guitar solo

[orchid gust]

hmmm, why i cant get the video like before?
reminds me of the cat i use to know, that was half wild and only came in the house for food, try to stroke it and you would of got a nasty scratch, trap it in the house to and the same it will scratch you to pieces, the cat was an abandon has a kitten, and we took it from the shelter to give it a home. but would it stay in the house, NO!!!!😆 we name him "FROGGY"

[graceful swan]

If it does it in the right way it sounds awesome

[jaunty thicket]

@solid vector we got something here

[solid vector]

niceee

cant wait to hear it

I will share it on my YouTube if you want and credit you of course brotha

[jaunty thicket]

working on the hit hat rn

[vale lake]

can we talk about the breadth between these two hahaha

https://suno.com/song/5a34c046-0058-4317-a392-e90dd2991dd1

https://suno.com/song/fa76d83a-cfdb-47e4-bc7e-3aa6ce034db8

[onyx moat]

Sometimes I get really good cover images.
Hope it does not return back to birds 😄

[stark epoch]

i have a question. the songs we make using suno. are we able to use them on things like youtube or twitch? or does suno own the copyrites. i havent the first idea on who owns what legally in this situation. i assume its suno. but any info would be great.

[onyx moat]

If you are a paying customer it's yours to use however you want.

[ashen fjord]

Answered on the sites FAQ/help section

[stark epoch]

didnt evan know there was an faq on there sight. oops. also thanks for the info. ill try fing it. also paying 10 a month. so yey mine.

[ashen fjord]

https://suno.com/docs/faqs

[stark epoch]

you are all awsome thnk you so much.

one last question. is there any kind of way of seing what was generated as free and what was generated as payed. as i did some prior to throwing money at it lol. if not not to wurry as i dont do streaming or youtube often at all. so could easally whipe nad restart now im paind.

[jaunty thicket]

@solid vector

almost finished

[graceful swan]

No other way but to look at the timestamps currently

[solid vector]

lfg!

logic nice

[stark epoch]

brilliant that helps. didnt think of that. 😄 thank you so much for all the hlep and advice peeps. 😄

[jaunty thicket]

my fav rapper

rhodes AHHHH

@solid vector recording

tell me when you are here

[solid vector]

im here 😄

[jaunty thicket]

i cooked

[solid vector]

bro

this sounds amazing

[solid vector]

I love that you chose the guitar outro

[jaunty thicket]

bahahahah

[solid vector]

good work I saved it :p

absolute chad

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[frozen temple]

@graceful swan do/did you use reactor with davinci?

[jaunty thicket]

but ima maybe drop it on my main channel with your name

witheout the rapper

[solid vector]

thanks man!

i sent you a friend request

[jaunty thicket]

[graceful swan]

no not yet

[old nest]

besides noisee, what is everybody's go-to ai video generator

looking for something as simple as noisee, but i'm a boomer so whats the best

[ashen fjord]

Not sure what is the best since I just used Noisee but I linked to two YT videos that talk about other AI Videos at #🗣️┃chill-chat message

Edit: the video links
https://youtu.be/mKcfo4zbcUA
https://youtu.be/uoWOzWzWC7U

[worn crypt]

Found this YouTube short ad about an AI music Gen that shows SUNO's music video thing... Is this legal?

unless if I'm seeing things, but that's clearly the video that you get when you download any of the songs from SUNO AI

[hoary wind]

There's a few sites and apps that basically scalp the service and do god-knows-what with your information and payment details.

[worn crypt]

Ah, okay

[hoary wind]

They really shouldn't be doing it as I'm pretty sure it violates the Suno ToS (I struggle to find the specific part but I remember it being talked about ages ago)

[orchid gust]

g.night all

[tiny tulip]

https://suno.com/song/f3da7d93-c411-4df2-a5aa-dc0dec4e290d

[umbral wadi]

Bandlab is down for me. 😦

...

Seems to be back now. Whew! 😅

[umbral wadi]

...awww where'd the kitty go?

[strange gorge]

steal dah kitty

[gritty hollow]

Here's a cat for you

[strange gorge]

I'd like my kitty wireless, please

[gritty hollow]

how sweet would it be to have a player that you could load Suno tracks to - that would play on this that would "animate" to the beat

[strange gorge]

Back in the day we had visualizations

Milkdrop still rules

[gritty hollow]

i mean a physical thing

like the futurist version of our Cat & Fiddle animated clock

anamatronic clock i should say

[strange gorge]

Oh, well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_snMOaCIy4

gong sound JAPAN

[gritty hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8It2O1RdG8 but small & in your house

the fact that i was obsessed with music boxes with moving parts as a kid has not changed, i even built one for myself that is part music box & a small model merry-go-round

[ashen fjord]

So I just learned about kits.ai from a YT video I came across (for splitting vocal tracks and swapping voices). In the example where he combined (in Audacity) the initial split voices audio track combined with the gender-swapped vocal of the same song, he had a very great duet made. So many credits could have been saved in my duet attempt

https://youtu.be/5jseFmgAP2M?t=9m14s

• 6m 10s for importing of a Suno song for vocal splitting
• 9m 25s for the combined duet track being played in Audacity (original track had the female voice, he converted it to a male track in kits.ai, and placed both in Audacity)

[ashen fjord]

Oh, it has been a month since I joined this server. Time flies by fast

[tidal wadi]

we'll try

[craggy verge]

https://mclark.wordpress.com/2024/05/08/genesis-1-1-10/

[drifting briar]

伊尔萨 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

/chirp 123

[forest sonnet]

https://suno.com/@skyblue420

[west blade]

IN offtopic because not suno - but i feel the inspiration of darkness, thanks ireland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNc5zTYkTaQ

[sterile basin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X3MeXe3fDn8
This has Meme Song potential

[west hull]

https://youtu.be/Vy4tp2WGcbo?feature=shared

Matrix 9

Cloud 9 -/ matrix 9

[jaunty thicket]

@frozen temple this started on my soundcloud and it remebered me you lmao
https://soundcloud.com/geno777/clown-freestyle-ft-prince-rose

[frozen temple]

I like his not-caring style.

[jaunty thicket]

bahahah

[jaunty thicket]

ima use this on my next remix of you bahahah

[frozen temple]

lol

[fossil mesa]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.09313 open source is slow to catch up

[onyx moat]

Anyone tried inpainting in Udio? Looks lime they put it behind the subscriptions.

Suno needs this fast, falling behind.

[ashen fjord]

I honestly haven't touched Udio for a while because it doesn't produce the style of music I liked despite trying several times 🤷‍♀️

[vale lake]

My wife has been handling my Instagram so I've been able to focus solely on SDXL gens (while I'm nursing my suno credits).

Thought some of yall might like:

[ashen fjord]

Man, this is one freaky art from those you posted
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1159929934270181437/1237809515043229727/2024-05-05_14-59-28_2185.webp?ex=663cff71&is=663badf1&hm=83e34f7e100c5ab00f712188791cfe9455fdb79ee1cc67ec0a9fb607239cabec&

Just creeps me out 🙈

[fossil mesa]

i wonder how many people on this server are music industry plants with the sole intent of producing cringe content and responses from people

[vale lake]

it's made using a LoRa is designed, it'd actually base SDXL

[tidal wadi]

not me obviously

[vale lake]

where I targeted areas of overtraining

[fossil mesa]

you're a plant for some other entity XD

[vale lake]

https://civitai.com/models/347097/semantic-shift

[tidal wadi]

I am a flower

[minor spruce]

can someone help me?

[vale lake]

help you escape?

[minor spruce]

ye

😄

[fossil mesa]

ok ok, you're at least not a bot!

[tidal wadi]

haha

[vale lake]

nah but fr, what you need?

[vale lake]

0

and one person's cringe is another person's grunge

[fossil mesa]

we could be in the "then they ignore you" phase vs the "then they fight you" phase

[minor spruce]

i tought i have problem but i dont 😄
4

[fossil mesa]

Yolkhead fixed it by observing your message

schrodinger problem

[vale lake]

nah, they will fight with litigation, botting creates engagement

do like, it would benefit suno. There's a name for it I can't recall, where you create bad attacks on a brand that are clearly intellectually dishonest to create an opposite impact

Suno isn't doing that, to be clear

but anyone trying go bot runs that risk, since the service is genuinely good

it's what happened with gpt-4

the more bots repeat the same 5 phrases that anyone using the service is immediately confused about, the more brand loyalty they create

which, incidentally, is bad for consumers, but that's neither here nor there

I just realized for some reason Discord uploaded gimped baby thumbnail versions, but oh well, you get the idea 😆 if anyone wants art ever for cover stuff or just other projects, unless I get inundated, feel free to reach out as I like making it (ie I'll do it for free, obviously)

[maiden hornet]

@tulip shell lol the birds and flutes

(on the other hand this was a suggestion)

[late crown]

yeah birds are boring.. I believe they are working on more freedom on your images

[maiden hornet]

but I'm talking about more profound weaknesses. From what I hear so far Udio is better in most regards quality-wise. I thought Udio doesn't allow to "continue from anywhere" and that was the only thing stopping me from checking it out (no creativity if it's not an option)

(obviously it wasn't an option in Suno too, first, but I never looked back)

how is Udio in terms of lyrics adherence, especially for continued generations?

[hoary wind]

Just got back to the computer
I see Udio have just announced their subscription pricing.

[crisp fern]

@maiden hornet to answer your question from #💡┃suggestions-web, i'd say the main weaknesses of Udio are shorter generations and slightly longer time to generate. It also just has different interpretations of certain genres/key words which could be a good or bad thing depending on your taste. Basically the same prompt between Udio and Suno can have vastly different results.

[maiden hornet]

Are the credits the same?

[maiden hornet]

cool, thank you. Did you try any heavy genres, I'm talking metal/core?

1 credit corresponds to 1 ~30 second audio track. Each generation currently generates 2 tracks, so each generation (including remixes/extensions) costs 2 credits.

oh, then that's much more than what Suno offers

Suno 1 song = 5 credits, so 10,000 credits means 2,000 songs. Udio 1 song = 1 credit, so 4,800 credits means 4,800 songs. Basically 2.5x, which is a huge difference. I wonder if Suno responds by lowering the prices.

My Suno subscription ended today so it feels like a good time to try it out

@crisp fern , side note, so you actually squatted suno.com/@songs lol? 🙂

[late crown]

Keep in mind.. they have 33 second per generation

[maiden hornet]

yeah that's the least of my issues. I usually cut my generations in 5-10s at a time anyway.

it's very rarely that I need the entire 1 generated minute (only if the AI is having a really good day)

[crisp fern]

I also feel user control is a bit better with Udio in the sense that it is much better at listening to things like metatags and won't ignore lyrics as much. It's hard to describe but Udio has a bit more of a raw "garage band" type feeling where it doesn't try to create a concise composition as much as Suno will. Which can be good or bad depending on what you're trying to achieve

[crisp fern]

Progressive metal yes, sounds pretty good

[late crown]

Yes, but you comparing then as if it's the same, which is not..

[maiden hornet]

sure sure. I just mean, in my mind, 1 generation is 1 generation, I don't care that much about the length. I will spend ~1000-1500 "Suno" credits on any given song

[crisp fern]

just happened to be online when they made the handles announcement so I quickly grabbed it lol

[maiden hornet]

care to share an example?

[maiden hornet]

and the best I could come up with was my name lol. Well, anyway.

[late crown]

With Suno you can continue from any point, there you are stuck to the 33 seconds, and your continuing are always 33 seconds too. In paint is not going to change that

[tulip shell]

Maybe instead o lowering prices, keep the same just increase the credits or make credits cost 2 per song instead of 5?

[maiden hornet]

yeah but I think @crisp fern said you're not actually stuck to the 33 seconds — you can continue from any point just as well? If not, that's a deal breaker for me

[maiden hornet]

Yeah, well, that's what I mean. Shall we call it unshrinkflation?

[late crown]

Well if you are going to use it.. keep us posted!

[tulip shell]

perfect xD

[maiden hornet]

I will rubs hands

And as I have your attention — can I post a song here I'm very proud of?:)

lighter than most of what I do with GENERATED, but I love the Shinedown/Godsmack feel of it https://soundcloud.com/vzkrv/mira-is-going-to-the-sea

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butt-head-butthead-beavis-headbang-rock-gif-26235977

[maiden hornet]

(Sorry it's not a Suno link — I made the ending part by extending the very first chorus and glued it together in Reaper, I often do this because Suno struggles to keep the riff unchanged after the bridge)

[late crown]

Can you imagine what this will sound like when the sound quality is better.. Holly sh*t

[maiden hornet]

offtopic (as due) but did you watch the new Beavies & Butthead? They rock

[maiden hornet]

I cannot. I mean, it will obviously blow my mind even more, but it's hard to be imagine how much 😄

[late crown]

This one is a little more tame.. but if the quality was better.. OMG..
https://suno.com/song/ab5faecd-a16b-4b27-8156-ff9c4f63f867

[maiden hornet]

love the bass sound

we need a minipoll on how long we think until the first lawsuit against Suno

[late crown]

Lol.. they should have a smoking gun first

bangers is not a smoking gun

[maiden hornet]

I dunno, maybe some generation with a very definitive vocal texture, like, I don't know, Mik Jagger's

Or if the AI accidentally reproduces a whole sample from somewhere. Highly unlikely but not improbable

[late crown]

I heard more things that I found suspicious with Udio. Not trying to diss them, just a fact.

[strange gorge]

Audio inpainting with Udio now eh?

[maiden hornet]

I'm guessing the models are the same more or less, math-wise

[maiden hornet]

Bringing the "a" to udio

[strange gorge]

My phone INSISTING I mean to type audio every time

At least it's stopped trying to correct fuck to duck

[late crown]

Maybe.. but they have parameters. If you give more access to underlying, and it's copyrighted, it could become a problem I think

[graceful swan]

sad that its behind paywall so so not gonna test it

[strange gorge]

Oh what

lol

[thorn lake]

Just viewed the demo . You can change a word in the lyrics or add à piano solo in the middle of your song . Incredible.

[maiden hornet]

lolol. It was only in like two weeks after hearing the name that I even realized it comes from "audio"

[strange gorge]

I mean they have to charge at some point

[late crown]

can you post the demo here?

[maiden hornet]

Yeah, I don't trust free services that much anyway

by the way, what are Udio's terms in terms of commercial usage? More or less the same?

[graceful swan]

yeah but releasing a new feature and putting it behind the new subscription is just a move I cant get behind. I mean sure from business standpoint I understand will bring in more subscribers that way but ehh.. If I cant test every feature before subscribing I am not subscribing

[late crown]

Go in this song to the 35th second:
https://www.udio.com/songs/tha5q6AU2pf43bs911oXfe
@maiden hornet

[thorn lake]

https://x.com/udiomusic/status/1788243716676759668

udio (@udiomusic) on X

Today we're delighted to launch Audio Inpainting, an innovative feature that allows you to seamlessly edit and refine your audio tracks.

With Audio Inpainting, you can select a portion of a track to re-generate based on the surrounding context. This makes it easy to edit single…

Twitter · May 8, 2024, 4:25 PM

[maiden hornet]

I'm not very well versed in female rappers. Nicki Minaj I'm guessing?

(I was assuming you were referring to the vocal texture similarity discussion, just in case)

[strange gorge]

It's interesting, from a business looking POV, that their generations are 30 seconds a pop. Makes it difficult to cross shop Suno and Udio if one were to try

Also illustrates that the models probably have a fundamental difference between them

[maiden hornet]

why?

[strange gorge]

Because people have this idea that they have to use "all" of their credit

With Suno you can get UP TO 2 minutes per gen

Udio is 33 seconds

I don't care because I'm after entire songs so whatever

[hoary wind]

It does look like Udio are following Suno's subscription model quite closely. Each gen gives 2 outputs, which are now 1 credit each instead of 1 for both total previously. Free users will be able to press the button 5 times per day with an additional 50 times per month (which is different to Suno)

[strange gorge]

But customers try to like, get the most MPGs

[hoary wind]

But you'll get half - or even a quarter - of the output

[strange gorge]

That's what I mean

But with inpainting you can salvage a lot of generations

[maiden hornet]

Ah, ok. As I said I usually create songs at 5-10 second increments at a time, so whether it's 30 or 80 doesn't make much difference to me. But I see how it could be different to others

[strange gorge]

So again, looking at it in the bag bang for the buck lens

[crisp fern]

Ideally in the future we will be able to have more of a dynamic option to choose how long the output is and it can use more or less credits accordingly (for either Suno or Udio)

[hoary wind]

There are people that want to hit a button and have a complete song pop out the other end

[strange gorge]

Yeah I'm like you, I just want what I want at any one time, which is why inpainting with Suno has been a top want for me for a long time

[maiden hornet]

I still think music AI is super cheap, in general. I mean, 1000-1500 credits per son is like 3-5 bucks. It's basically tap water

*per song, lol. Sons are much more expensive

[hoary wind]

That's why I have no qualms over throwing credits at something to try to get a better generation.

[strange gorge]

In context yeah, but if you zoom in to JUST Suno and it's interface 'credit' takes on a different meaning

People are bad with money

Extra bad with pretend money with blinders

[crisp fern]

Yeah compared to AI image generation you definitely get more bang for your buck with audio it seems

at least comparing a $10 midjourney plan to a $10 suno plan

[graceful swan]

images I can generate locally though. Audio not yet

[strange gorge]

Midjourney has gotten really good though, like eveytime I need an image I can seem to pluck it out of the generative furnace that is their LLM

[hoary wind]

It looks like it works out roughly the same price for about the same amount of time/credit, just doing some quick calculations.

[maiden hornet]

jukebox

[strange gorge]

Certainly by design

[hoary wind]

It's... well, it makes sense.

[crisp fern]

Yeah it's honestly insane how much it has evolved from V3 to V6. That's why I'm hyped to see where suno goes

[strange gorge]

Also this

[graceful swan]

show me a jukebox song that sounds close to suno quality

with vocals

[maiden hornet]

this is the highest quality I was able to get with Jukebox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfiIrcIoz5o

[maiden hornet]

no, not close. but no local model is close to midjourney either is it? not too well-versed

[graceful swan]

a lot closer than suno and jukebox I would say

[strange gorge]

You can get perfect stuff out of Stable Diffusion locally

It just requires you to reach in

SD running inside Photoshop with masks and layers and all that is fantastic

[crisp fern]

Afaik jukebox is kind of different because you can actually feed it an audio file to extend/continue but I haven't messed with it in like a year

[strange gorge]

And has been since 1.5

[maiden hornet]

you're probably right. I think it's because (a) most people are much more into pics than music, and (b) music has a much more powerful lawyership

[strange gorge]

Stable Audio is a thing too

Or will be

[maiden hornet]

you can with suno too i'm sure, it's just they don't open this to us. But this is how e.g. "continue v2 generations with v3" works (I imagine)

[maiden hornet]

in my experience diffusion models are not up to par, creatively

[strange gorge]

If it's anything like Stable Diffusion then

[graceful swan]

Or hear me out. Because AI music is the bleeding edge currently. Will take time for Opensource to catch up.
Always like this was so with AI images, TTS, Voice Clone. Will be same with music

[strange gorge]

I come from that art side, professionally, so the models don't have to give me complete images directly

Using it as a generative fill is plenty to do whatever I need it to do

That said, Midjourney is clearly the winner

As close as we can get to one shot prompts

Couple that with local SD inside Photoshop and there really is no limit

[frozen temple]

@viral flame still one of my favorite intros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSvFpBOe8eY

[hoary wind]

I quite like that Udio show the per-month sub price first. Less likely to accidentally sub for a year thinking you're paying per-month I think.

[viral flame]

An amazing song, been one of my favorites for 20+ years.
I was referring to something more like this:
https://youtu.be/UrIiLvg58SY

No disrespect or anything. Great song, great band.
(But how is it classified as metal?)

[maiden hornet]

yeah that's very unusual for any SaaS, but I appreciate that

[frozen temple]

I sing that song when the stereotypical long blonde dude in the group pulls out their guitar lol

but you're not wrong

[maiden hornet]

heads up, not only you can select a section, you can even choose it on a waveform, with (I imagine) sub-second precision

alas, no commercial usage, it seems. Maybe they'll change that now that they introduced subs

[graceful swan]

read again

thats for content of other users

[hoary wind]

Basically you don't have to pay to use your songs commercially, but you must credit Udio (section 6 of the ToS IIRC)

[maiden hornet]

oh, you're right, I'm wrong @graceful swan

[maiden hornet]

right. I mean, I don't mind, I never hide the fact that I use AI. (Basically my "main" project name is GENERATED lol)

[hoary wind]

I'm okay with that, particularly as I'm a relatively light user of the service.

[frozen mulch]

ICESPICE

Dang I chased everyone away with one word-

NEW RECORD WWWOOO

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-gif-13225090997716353313

[frozen temple]

Is it possible to remove the little rocket?

Nvm it's attached to the role

Can't get screens to be fully in view in the background

But I do like her.

Very funny.

[dusty patrol]

guys i need 3 more likes on this track to get it on trending so please like this if you want https://www.udio.com/songs/93FBbMwnc7N7wjWgE9rbv6

[orchid gust]

im going to make a song about drinking petrol from motorbike has i discovered a leak in the fuel pipe 🙂

[frozen temple]

oof

[orchid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-26526692

[quartz fog]

who likes eminem

[maiden hornet]

One drawback about Udio (coming back to the earlier conversation) is that it doesn't stream the generation, so you need to wait for it to be completed in full before listening. (Like back in Suno v2 days)

[frank panther]

@dusty patrol there's Off-Topic
and then there's spam.

Have some time out. Maybe you can find the Udio Discord.

[tidal wadi]

funny fact but my most listened artist this year is my own project haha

[hoary wind]

I kinda wish their extensions would play back at the start of the new section too, kinda annoying to have to click around

[maiden hornet]

a good thing for me, I'm tired of gluing stuff in Suno

hm, do you know how I join it all together in Udio? Seems like it glues the current extension with the previous (or next) part, but not all in one song

[hoary wind]

It's nice that it glues it, but I'd prefer to start playback at the point where it's glued, or close to it

[maiden hornet]

oh, yeah, right, I see

[orchid gust]

i perfer the suno way, that way you don't need to redo a whole song. if it fails in the middle, then you can just re do the part clips.

[tidal wadi]

without the noise Suno would be so much better...

it would be nice if we could have a tool to remove it

[quartz fog]

topic suggestions for my first song

[orchid gust]

goats? 🙂

[quartz fog]

like it

any more?

[fading bay]

Salut, j'ai fais un son de techno/hardtechno melodique avec ma guitare pour la mélo si ça intéresse 😉 https://soundcloud.com/kyusenne/magnolia

[maiden hornet]

wow, Udio actually remixes when you say "remix". So say if you want to add an instrument, you add it to the prompt, click remix, and you get the same tune with the new instrument. It's mind-blowing.

@late crown tell me if I need to stop this

[frozen temple]

Found a 40k space clown in my backlog

[maiden hornet]

also, a feature I long for on Suno, tree view.

hopefully this will also serve for the team to look at the differences and maybe add some to the backlog.

things I hate about Udio so far:

• no streaming generations (you have to wait)
• it always jumps to the next generation after playing this one, no option to turn it off as far as I see
• can't generate several extensions at once, it throws you back to the list view once you click Extend

[frozen temple]

The features Udio has are nice, but for me at least it seems to forget half the prompt.

[maiden hornet]

how's that?

my prompts are usually rather short, hard to forget half of it 🙂

[frozen temple]

a wild @fast rivet appeared in my klownpunk prompt

[late crown]

Stop spamming your song in multiple channels! @humble zinc
You've been warned yesterday too. See our rules #📜┃rules

[maiden hornet]

I feel like Udio is diffusion-based, unlike Suno, which is transformer based. Clues:

• Inpainting (which is very hard to do with transformers)
• Remixing (i.e. changing "style" of a complete piece), very hard too
• Better quality overall
• Harder to change the style once it's there (I'm trying to have metal guitars kick in after a soft intro, no avail)

If i'm correct, it'll be exciting to see the "battle of paradigms"

[late crown]

I've read some papers on DIFFUSION-BASED AUDIO INPAINTING, so could be

[maiden hornet]

it would also explain why ther's no streaming — you can't give "part" of an output generated with diffusion, as it generates the entire output every time (repeating N steps)

with transformers, it goes token by token, so you can start decoding once you have enough (even if not all) tokens

I also love the "choose context" setting with Udio, you can pick how many of previous (or subsequent) settings you want to take into account. This way, you can for example set it to a very low setting (like, 5 seconds), and come up with a natural transition to the next song, even if in a very different style (without having to "rely" on your entire previous song, as it would direct it too much in the same style)

so far it's too "in the rut" though, can't really make it go in an unexpected direction (which is very important in pretty much any music). If it goes on this way, it will be a deal breaker despite all the magical features

if only for some ambient/soundscapes/"relaxing piano" kind of music, I guess

[strange gorge]

Thanks for giving your take

Real keen to get my hands on whatever infill looks like with Suno

real keen

[maiden hornet]

managed to get it heavy (last two seconds lol), but it took too long (as in literally the song continues too long before getting heavy)

but I did want to write some ambient music anyway so maybe that's what I'll be doing with Udio while continuing to work on metal with Suno

[hoary wind]

The UI for trimming is very nice. Suno's gonna need to shuffle things round quite a bit I expect otherwise we're gonna have loads of time boxes for everything 😄

[maiden hornet]

yeah, it's perfect, with the waveform and all that

I also love the naming of extensions (2.1.1.2.1), just the way I had it in Jukebox Web UI. I wonder if the creators saw it at some point

[strange gorge]

Jelly of that waveform select

[maiden hornet]

yeah, guessing where this "0:23" is in your Suno generation is not the most pleasant game of roulette

[hoary wind]

Since Suno added "extend from" I've wanted to be able to do e.g. milliseconds or at least 1/10th of a second - being able to play the selection in Udio is really useful to hear exactly where the trim will be

[maiden hornet]

also, the sound, it's hard to express. The quality is better, but it's less... lifelike? Let me give an example

[strange gorge]

I know what you mean

The lyric clarity is great but there is something about the music part

[maiden hornet]

fast forward to 2:20. Like, you hear something like a metalcore guitar sound. It's very close to it. But it's not really what you hear on a metalcore/deathcore record

it might be a good thing, though, coming up with new sounds and genres

[strange gorge]

Lots of typical music theory can come undone

[maiden hornet]

like, Suno "gets" real music better while Udio tries to mimic it. (Also reminiscent of how diffusion models behave)

[hoary wind]

It's done "filmscore" pretty well. To the extent I'm going to struggle to add my own musical additions to it.

[maiden hornet]

yeah, probably filmscore is something it gets accustomed to very much as it's very popular. Metalcore, not so much. Just guessing though.

[hoary wind]

really bouncy, satisfying bass

[strange gorge]

It's wild that they are so different even though the are the "same" thing

[maiden hornet]

as I suggested, they might be completely different under the hood, transformers in Suno vs diffusion in Udio. If I'm correct.

[strange gorge]

You can hear it right away but unless you really chew on it like you are you can't articulate what the difference is

[hoary wind]

It really doesn't generate crisp output though, when it comes to drums or other sharp noises

[strange gorge]

Besides "music comes out" they seem very different to me

[maiden hornet]

yes, drums are much better on Suno, if you can hear past the artifacts!

[hoary wind]

Wild idea: Train 2 models, one on sharp sounds (Suno model) such as drums and short string plucks, and another on smooth sounds (Udio model) such as long strings and vocals...

...then combine the output.

[maiden hornet]

and this, again, is a drawback of diffusion models (harder to be attentive to details when you're basically generating an image of a spectrogram)

[maiden hornet]

combine how, that is the question 🙂

[hoary wind]

Flex tape!

[strange gorge]

slap

[hoary wind]

Nah I dunno, I've no idea how any of the AI stuff works beyond a basic introductory level and what I've read here

[strange gorge]

Don't worry, it's all theory anyway

[maiden hornet]

my verdict: If I had Suno model with Udio UI, I would use it even despite the artifacts (hoping they would improve going forward).

basically we're watching AC vs DC right now (as in Edison vs Tesla, not the Thunderstruck dudes)

I can't get off the feeling I'm listening to "not real" music with Udio. Never felt this with Suno. Then again, it can be a bad thing or a good thing.

[hoary wind]

I'm amused by some folk treating it like you have to be on one side or the other

[strange gorge]

I just want waveform select and the vocal clarity

[strange gorge]

People love tribalism

[maiden hornet]

nah, we can grab popcorn and enjoy

[strange gorge]

Also inpainting, of course I need that

[maiden hornet]

don't see how that would be possible with Suno tbh, but hey, we can hope

[hoary wind]

They're going to add inpainting

[maiden hornet]

I hate that neither udio nor suno give you a wav

there's enough artifacts as there are to add more with mp3 compression

[hoary wind]

Suno devs have said higher bitrate mp3 won't give higher quality (it'd probably give a few higher frequencies) at the moment. I'm sure this'll come in time.

Udio however... 320kbps looks better on paper but hahahaha no it's not that at all.

[maiden hornet]

every small artifact counts. I definitely remember even Jukebox wav's being better (or, rather marginally less awful) than Jukebox mp3's (for the same generations)

[hoary wind]

True. Suno's main quality issue though is the grainy/crusty/noisy sound, along with the metallic ringing that often develops after some time. I honestly have never noticed the classic mp3 artefacts (back from the days of 128kbps mp3s where it sounds watery/warbly.) on the other hand... Udio sounds like 128kbps mp3 to me, even if I flip between 128kbps and 320kbps mp3s of the same clip side-by-side I hear no difference.

[crystal badge]

hola

[strange gorge]

Like Furrybeans said, georg has mentioned it specifically many times. They call it 'infill'

Other devs too no doubt

[graceful swan]

look up what encodec does. I am 90% suno uses it (like bark did) it is already outputting "compressed" audio. there is no "raw waveform" anywhere in the process

[vale lake]

one more weeeeek

https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/yolkhead/human-dancing-music

[frozen temple]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-old-milwaukee-beer-drink-party-gif-22890849

[fossil mesa]

am old man baffled by the clowns on discord - like clown icons clown music... i guess it's just fun for some people?

maybe people like me asking why is playing into the meme

[ashen fjord]

Well, at least the clown memes are much better than the toilet/poop trend we had just before it

[fast rivet]

yes. its fun. we have a member here who produces pretty interesting content with clowns as a theme and that slowly turned into a insider joke. this creator is inspiring a lot of people to be creative and that sometimes leads to even more circus, clown and tuba content 😄 . i have to say its some kind of refreshing to see some artistically interesting things from time to time, even if they are strange 😄

[hoary wind]

Interesting to see Udio also gets the occasional "have they changed something? it sounds worse" question

[fossil mesa]

that is helpful context

[hoary wind]

(though to be fair, they are in beta so it's reasonable to expect things to change...)

Longer version of the absolute insanity I generated with Udio a few nights ago. I particularly found it funny how it vocalised the stuff that was in brackets. I'd say "enjoy this" but that would probably not be the correct phrase to use 😆

WARNING: IT IS QUITE LOUD AND NOT AT ALL MUSICAL

[graceful swan]

Whaaaat a non perfect udio song must be fake 😏

[ornate moat]

Hey everyone! 🆘 I need help fine-tuning stable diffusion models for product enhancements. If anyone has experience, I’d greatly appreciate your input.

[glass jolt]

holaa

[gritty hollow]

I just put the last page of convo here into the lyric box & hit 'generate lyrics' -it made
https://suno.com/song/2e256beb-1493-4439-9ea6-7e538a30c769

[daring mountain]

This sounds like a real song to me

I do think it's easier to make a structured song on suno though

[daring mountain]

Or this

[terse pilot]

I made a song about my ex gf. I translated the lyrics in englisch for you guys. Just wanna know how you like it.

[maiden hornet]

suno outputs tokens, then there's a variational autoencoder that transforms this into a waveform. I highly doubt the model is configured to transform tokens into mp3 data

[cunning hearth]

@misty kernel , please ping me back plss

[cunning hearth]

@misty kernel

[hot plover]

Guys are there any other good Ai like SUno?

[maiden hornet]

you can try udio

[hot plover]

Is it easy to use?

[graceful swan]

I did not say it saves mp3.
Did you look up Encodec? it is a neural compression codec.
It doesn't really matter what happens with the Encodec output.
The point is the model trains on and outputs encodec tokens.
Most of the artifacts are probably from the fact the some of the outputted encodec tokens are not "correct" because they are generated by the suno model and not from a wav file that was fed through the encodec compression. There will be a slight "mismatch" for lack of a better word.
The quality improvement by providing a wav file would be tiny.

But since we don't actually know if suno model works like bark this discussion is a bit pointless anyway. Might very well be it skips the encodec part and uses another tokenization and outputs wav and the devs are lying about the fact the model is the quality bottleneck.

[frank panther]

yeah, conspiracy theories aside, I can't think of a valid reason why Suno would deliberately withhold better audio....

But I also can't account for people rushing here to declare Pepsi is better than Coke when it clearly isn't.

[serene topaz]

Yo @fast rivet I just dm'd you

[graceful swan]

Well to be 100% fair there could be reasons like "Storage space" or "Bandwidth".
Not that I think they do that. But even then the logical thing would be to make it availabe for extra cost right?

[frank panther]

I would... 🤔
(but idk where the cost pitfalls are)

[graceful swan]

Not much I would think. I mean storage is not free but it has become so cheap

[frank panther]

It could also be that 95% of subscriber just want to post a song on social and play on their potato phone...

and the 5% of 'pro-users' wouldn't make up the costs...?

(numbers are made up, obv)

There's a sort of 'mainstreaming' involved in web/ui dev... No point in having pristine files that no one can play.

(but I suspect the reality is AI doesn't make pristine files to begin with)

[serene topaz]

Is inviting to your own discord server not allowed here? @frank panther , I'm just asking

[late crown]

Suno is not meant to gain you users for your personal server.. it's considered solicitation.

[serene topaz]

Oh sorry

I'm just asking ok

[frozen temple]

Pepsi is only worth it when it's on sale and cheaper than coke.

[frosty obsidian]

the amount of copyright violations on that platform are wild 😄

[frank panther]

Hepcat is convinced they are designed to trigger a lawsuit.

[frosty obsidian]

hm.. dunno. i mean its a bit tinfoilhat area. i think i reported a dozen and gave up. ^^

[frank panther]

Yeah, it is far more likely they are just Silicone Valley Bros and don't consider it a longterm business model.

[umbral wadi]

Not really tinfoil hat territory if you think about it a bit.

We're all living in a bit of suspended time legally when it comes to this stuff. How much human input is needed to make something legally ownable? To what degree is using AI actually infringement?

We have a lot of speculation and a knee-jerk ruling by the copyright office that almost no one thinks is long term.

How do you get a legal precedent? You go to court. How do you get a day in court? You get sued.

[hoary wind]

There was that thing where "manual" prompt mode disappeared "unintentionally" shortly after someone managed to summon Michael Jackson. No idea what changed afterwards but they do look like they're trying not to get into trouble.

[frosty obsidian]

it might be less costly to sue Suno instead of starting a business and basically aim to get sued yourself for damages.

[frank panther]

An intentionally bad actor is very much a thing...

I dealt with a guy here, who accidentally posted his "Isn't Suno already over?" script. A list of talking points and how it should be 'framed' in speech.

this was back in October or November. Hepcat would remember it. I saved the script because it was VERY weird.

and VERY specific.

[hoary wind]

Someone on Reddit called the Suno subscription a "scam" because of how unused credits don't roll over, despite being aware of the message telling you this. They were repeatedly saying elsewhere how Udio is better etc. I smiled yesterday when I saw Udio's handling of credit rollovers (it's the same, but you have to click a FAQ to see that they don't roll over)

[hoary wind]

I branched my previous weird Udio creation and took it on a different adventure.

[stiff whale]

tea cup sadnes

[wise zealot]

Guess this is where I’ll reside from now on

Odd the Offtopic dweller

The Gremlin of Random Chats

https://tenor.com/view/gremlins-gizmo-big-eyes-gif-7331237

[strange gorge]

It's this one for me. It's always ignorance and stupidity.

Also elevenlabs getting into the music scene, you guys see that?

I'm not able to listen to it but saw someone else post a thing from twitter

[frank panther]

I haven't been to Eleven in a loooong time... lemme see what they up to...

[arctic obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-evil-wag-tail-eyes-gif-8749844670235178556

Give me your Suno Credits

[frosty obsidian]

https://fxtwitter.com/elevenlabsio/status/1788628171044053386

goddamn 😄

[strange gorge]

@frank panther if you didn't see, they linked it

[frosty obsidian]

of course they are hand selected - but damn 😄
https://fxtwitter.com/elevenlabsio/status/1788628175766859891

[graceful swan]

Always good to have more competition

[frank panther]

And that IS competition.

[hoary wind]

I wonder if anyone's signed up for a year of Suno, and then a year of Udio, and then...

[graceful swan]

I am hyped but I will hold my horses until i can hear non cherry picked samples

[frank panther]

I mean, there are 20 4 different voices in that song, but it's a song!

[graceful swan]

And in the end it was all Mr. Tree

[oblique prawn]

This link is meant to inform people on use and proper crediting of Udio's AI.
Please let me know and I will delete the post if you think this is delivering the wrong message. I found it important to know. Read the TOS 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKdxnoPI58

Thumbnail is click-baity, but information's broken down directly from the most recent Udio's TOS.

[ashen fjord]

Yeah, I like TMA. I think on her stream yesterday, they mentioned they were thinking of doing an analysis of Suno's ToS but prioritized Udio since there were more people asking about it

The ones about the distributors are much more important, like with TuneCore's analysis
‼️ TuneCore
CDbaby
❗DistroKid
‼️ Symphonic
LANDR

Bonus:

• Udio's TOS (Original, Updated)
• Suno lawsuit update

[oblique prawn]

With all due respect to Suno, and I'm currently paying for Suno's plan, I hope TMA does one for this platform as well.

Anything with generative/transformative AI is important to understand what's required and the inevitable risks and precautions of using these softwares.

Especially since the Government AI-copyright laws at least in USA is not completely sound at this time.

[ashen fjord]

Definitely. It sounded like it as planned to be done eventually by TMA

[hoary wind]

Not being funny but is there genuinely 40 minutes of content about Udio's TOS? I thought their TOS was pretty clear (credit them, do whatever) and from seeing discussions in this discord server, I understand copyright is a grey area and might vary by region.

(Clickbaity thumbnails suggest brain-rot content to me, so I've not watched any of these.)

[strange gorge]

It's important to look at all this and be aware and all that but I'm more thinking about the practicality of all this.

Think of how much content is out there already and how much more is being uploaded at any moment

If a song is a song is a song

And you used Udio

and you didn't say you did

How would anyone know

And even if they did, care enough to chase you down to ???? whatever

It just really seems like the legal system and how you engage with it just really can't handle any of this

Especially if it doesn't go mega massive viral

[ashen fjord]

Especially those that remix or redo the music manually in things like FL Studio which makes the audio watermark useless since it will not be present in the rendered version

[hazy horizon]

As far as making covers of songs with Suno. If I add a few paragraphs, but then add a few lyric lines from a song, is that still considered plagerizing and not allowed even though 90% of the song is original

[strange gorge]

That's when you ENGAGE WITH THE SYSTEM

Since, practically, someone would have to care enough to sue you

and then it would be argued about in the courts for however long

And if you're in different countries then lmao

Possible but the effort required

Backing way up from all this though
There is this sort of taken-for-granted thing that lots of people have with AI stuff, in that they just...say if AI was used then you don't get ownership/copyright of it

But it doesn't work like that

If I, or you, Shadow, remix a thing

Cut it up, arrange it

Alter a part, snip it, clip it, whatever

You 'touch' it

Then that's yours. Or mine. Or theirs. Whoever did it

Then the argument shifts to 'how much did you touch it'

Does that count

But usually the effort required means we never even get there

[ashen fjord]

Covers means you are using the copyrighted lyrics which means you will need a synchronization or mechanical license from the original holder UNLESS it falls under fair use such as with sampling for remixes, etc.

You will need to investigate into what you are planning does not violate copyright (and back up the proof for when it is needed).

I talked about some points regarding this with someone else at #📚┃suno-school message

[strange gorge]

The point is academic until things go to court

[hazy horizon]

@ashen fjord
I mean, couldn't one also argue that every word is copyrighted since there are a million copy righted songs with almost every word in the english language lol or is it not so much the word but the full sentence? (btw not disagreeing, just curious)

[hoary wind]

Crediting them is in their ToS, so I'd expect they'd just ban your account if they found out. Or something. Either way, respect the ToS = no repercussions 🤷‍♂️

[strange gorge]

Right but your account gets banned is just a you and Suno thing

Totally within their rights

You are still probably fine with using that music

Since the effort on Suno's part would have to warrant them taking care of it

and unless you get all viral

ehhhh

I'm more thinking out loud, mind

I do think it's very wise of them to build up the social angle of Suno

Because that kind of slices out the whole reason people would do those sorts of things in the first place: recognition

popularity

dopamine

[oblique prawn]

While you do make great points for the most part, that doesn't necessarily protect us either KakerMix

[strange gorge]

We are never protected

That's just right out

[oblique prawn]

It's generally important to be aware of law, and especially how deep into uncharted territories we may be in. That's what protects you against yourself and others. There really isn't an argument you can make that goes against it, however you could try to show others how one might be fine not taking precautions and still being okay without consideration.

[hoary wind]

Because I like to be involved in the music, I only publish songs with little/no editing that I don't really care about. If I feel "I could really make something of this", then I scrub out most of the evidence that AI was involved by reconstructing the track from scratch. I might just sample bits, so any grey copyright issues would apply to those samples, and good luck if someone wants to break them out of my song to reuse.

[strange gorge]

I'm not debating against terms or rights or any of that, I agree they are important

It's just the practicality of them

You have to argue in a court of law

If a huge company wants to steal your song they will, you have to chase them down

Totally divorced from AI

Laws are really more of a consequence warning

[ashen fjord]

It doesn't work like that though because the court would obviously reject those trolls (and there is a good chance there are copyright trolls that attempted to do something like that).

As I said before, you will have to look into fair use and other topics related to copyright if you are planning on doing covers and posting it on platforms (and their stance on it).

YouTube definity has guidelines about it which was linked on the copyright removal links in the discussion I had with the other guy.

In the end, it is YOUR responsibility to check out what you are doing falls under fair use or not, etc. as you are the one intentially using portions of someone's copyrighted lyric.

Likely using a sentence is nothing but it would also depend on how unique that line is. If it was made under a parody jest for example, that would be fine due to fair use argument.

The consequence is dependent on the platforms you post to. Suno will likely ban you account if it discovers obvious copyright violation as it is against the ToS (and it had a reminder when you first used the custom lyrics that you must use original lyrics or those you have rights for).

YouTube can end up demonetizing your video/account (given to the original artist), suspension of your account, or even legal challenges, depending on how extent the issue is (this is outright stated and highlighted on their copyright removal page)

Some helpful links:
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9783148?hl=en
https://www.youtube.com/howyoutubeworks/policies/copyright/

[ashen fjord]

This is touching a bit on what you were asking about; from the fair use page on YT

[strange gorge]

Now argue with YouTube about this

"It isn't the heart" I argue. The person representing YouTube says otherwise.

They police their platform though, and what they say goes

I suppose that's going to be the more important part of the argument, rather than a law one

The law doesn't factor into it vs. how the places where you put the works handle it

But also virality means if something takes off it doesn't really matter if it's stolen or not or who declares it is or not

[ashen fjord]

That was from a list of four factors used to judge about Fair Use in USA (trying to address the question the person I replied to asked about).

As we know, it is ofren more about whose lawyer can be the most convincing rather than proof at times 😭

[strange gorge]

Yeah but that's how law always is

It is all keenly interesting for me

[ashen fjord]

And the next few years will definitely be interesting

[strange gorge]

The system is so, so not ready for all this

lol, lmao

I've said it before but I would be quite worried about long term survival at the level they are at for huge things like Disney

[ashen fjord]

Especially consider how old and out of touch from the business the judges are

[strange gorge]

Sure Disney owns everything but if the output of everyone is so fast, consumed so quick

and everyone is doing it because it's so easy, what does 'owning' something even mean regarding IP?

I don't exactly think this is a so much near-term issue

But in the future, not too distant, if you can just...spin up shows and movies

Or like with music, right now

You know how much less 'real' music I've listened to lately?

[ashen fjord]

I remember, several years ago, Adobe debuting a demo of their work in progress towards TV and Movie execs for using programs to edit the vocal lines AND mouth/head movement using like a 1920s video (portraying how they can use the program to fix small problems in post rayher than spend thousands to reshoot a scene).

It was so lifelike... and it was way before the whole AI issue itself. I knew then and there would be also a lot of legal challenges about how much likeness a company is allowed to edit and whatnot, especially in terms of compensation if the edits is not small and if they need the actor's agreement.

After all, you know companies would try to shoot and pay an actor like a 10 min scene and use that to make a 2 hour movie with various programs if they can get away with it

[strange gorge]

I'd think we're going to slingshot right past an actor or a company or a shoot or whatever being needed at all

What is the use for a huge production company

after that, the studio that would need that big production

To me it's pretty clear that for a large portion of people, an AI streaming platform like Suno is 'the way'

At least for music

Shows and movies and long form narratives like that, no

Not yet, maybe not ever

[ashen fjord]

Except for kids shows I suppose, you can get away from quality works needed since the kids would just care about the bright colors and whatnot

[strange gorge]

Traditional ways aren't stuck, see how traditional animation is just up and gone

That wasn't the field I was going for when I was in college but lmao

Quite a few of the people I went to school with up and had their skillset they built die within the decade

SEE
GEE
EYE

aka CGI, what us cool people were doing

Users just want to jam to some tunes. There are people that care about their artists being 'real' so always a celebrity angle

But other people just want music

and if people make it real, cool. If they use AI but tickles just like the real thing, also cool.

We're all using Suno to make music we want to hear, and the best part is other people who don't care to have any hand at all in creating music listen to music too

If they stream from Udio or Spotify they don't care
Especially once the quality clips over

[floral mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/eiUSKBI.png

It's a female only song so yuki's voice must have really messed with the ai

[vale lake]

The painter paints, the maker makes

Get in. We're going to Baskin Robbins.

me, trying to finish my current transcript before I die of exhaustion (I am a transcriptionist)

Drama Queen

[orchid gust]

@vale lake like the last one:)

[vale lake]

thanks you

bruh, I'm having too much fun with these tonight, idk what magic I cooked into that lora but hot diggity

And these are all instant gens, no inpaint

[ashen fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-cabbages-gif-5990800

[craggy verge]

sing along with mike! (that's my real name) - I am continuing with putting a copyright-free version of the Bible to music with Suno. Here's the second installment. The first is above, somewhere... https://suno.com/song/9236a30f-b4a9-4b39-8e0d-4ac6304227d3

[sweet robin]

may i know how to delete my account permanently?

[fast rivet]

please write a mail to [e-mail] to get help with internal account settings. ✌️

[prime bronze]

yeah, elevenlabs music sounds good. i'm much more interested in the ui and control over creations. Udio, even after recent update, can't compete with Suno in stem integration (rap&hiphop). It could easily be with elevenlabs the same, making it comåete with udio for best meme machine, but never with suno for best actual published music

although "broke my heart" from elevenlabs music demoreel does sound like the vocals were correctly stemming with the music. impossible to say if its just luck or actual capability like in Suno, without extensive testing

[frank panther]

Udio feels like a half-baked silicone valley cashgrab with their bizarre un-musicality, the paid trolls, and their complete lack of community building.

ElevenLabs is very interesting because their voice model is already great. I subscribed in the past... Want to hear more.

[hoary wind]

Udio does have some good points. Other than what's been mentioned before, I think the UI is quite nice (at least for the create/extend box and audio range selection.)

Community-wise... they've run a couple of song competitions. Off-topic is discussed in the general channel most of the time. I see Suno being bashed there quite a lot (one person keeps saying it sounds like Windows 95 MIDI - wut?!) One of our old trolls is there, occasionally causing bother. I talk there occasionally and it's interesting to see what changes they make, but I just feel I prefer to chat here most of the time (even whilst I spent 3 solid days playing with Udio)

[prime bronze]

one should never become a fan of any corporation or product - only quality

it saddens and honestly sickens me to see people and even community managers bashing or blindly defending company or product x or y jus because "it's our team"

if it sucks, it god damn sucks regardless of who made it

[full canopy]

I have made a couple of songs with udio myself. I just feel like the vocals lack emotion.

[prime bronze]

i may be closing in on 30 published songs using Suno, but i'd never start making dumb statements like "suno is perfect" or "lol udio is unnecessary". suno should up itäs game ASAP and include inpaintings and better quality sound, make extension more reliable and let me "mark" voices so I can make duettos with voice 1 and voice 2. Fanboyism kills progress and makes competition just matter of who has the loudest trolls. Its counterproductive, obnoxious and the investors just laugh their beards off

[prime bronze]

i made exact song yesterday with udio and suno. yes, udios new features were cool and it did sound "nice", but then i went to Suno and after maybe 3 gens I got my mind blown again (which after 20+ published songs itself is odd..) by how well the lyrics meshed with the music and made the overall feeling so much alive and humane

[hoary wind]

"Product X is DEAD" - when product Y is about to be released

...no, I think what you mean is: "a challenger appears"

[full canopy]

don't get me wrong the vocals I made sounded clear with udio, but I just felt like it lacked emotion. Udio does have some nice features, and I do hope they grow in the future.

[frank panther]

I hope Eleven Labs includes their 'Style Exaggeration' feature in the music...
I love when AI sounds like flamboyant over-acting....

[prime bronze]

I think the lack of emotion in Udio comes ultimately from the de-sync of stems I mentioned.

it makes Udio perfect for jazz, but not anything else

[hoary wind]

glances at Udio discord and raises an eyebrow yep, that's wildly off-topic and possibly offensive switches back to Suno discord

[full canopy]

It would be good to see a Varity of choices to choose from

[frank panther]

something is wrong if Udio's users prefer to post songs here...

[full canopy]

I left the Udio discord cause of the lack of anyone talking. I have yet to post my udio song here tho

[hoary wind]

They do post songs a lot there (no embeds though, in some ways that's good because less scrolly scroll) but like I said, a lot of off-topic

[frank panther]

It's not even comparing them, it's just "Hi, I made a song... over there..."

[prime bronze]

sunos main is way too fast paced for me too follow. this off-topic is enough for me.

[hoary wind]

I do that but it's only if it's something really dumb and funny that I think is worth hearing just for it being amusing

[full canopy]

I can agree with that. That's why I mostly chat in the noisee discord

in suno I'm mostly like hi listen to my song that I know you will never listen too cause of 10 other songs posted at the same time

[prime bronze]

i wonder if Suno will also get access to the rumored new chatgpt model. it could make the generated lyrics at least better

and to what extent is the Suno model itself based on gpt-4

could boost it too

[prime bronze]

yeah. i think this gives a glimpse on what the entire music scene will be in some years. Why would you listen to anyone elses garbage when you like your own

[full canopy]

that's why I make videos

that way even if you don't listen to my song if you watch the video it's a win

[prime bronze]

i might also make some music videos when Sora gets Suno integration

yeah, you should make many videos before Sora and it's 1000 competitiors democratize videos too

good. i published 2 full mastered songs yesterday and they are on spotify today. this will happen to videos too within 1-2 years. Why would you watch other peoples generic videos when you can bring your dreams alive easily yourself?

[frank panther]

I like listening to other people's tracks when they are doing something unusual or interesting... It doesn't need to be earth-shattering, just give me a personality and style.

But when it's the audio equivalent of 'lolita anime waifu staring at camera'... I glaze over.

[prime bronze]

i don't listen other tracks at all. in the beginning i did, but as they seemed to be memes and jokes, i stopped

[frank panther]

yeah..., what gets posted in a discord chat..., isn't going to be the sincere stuff...

(unless it's like TOO sincere, lol)

[prime bronze]

i don't publish anything that I personally don't like. so that naturally leads to me enjoying what I make and listening to it

sounds demanding

v2 for me was that level, v3 already is above that. v4 will exceed anything i believe current finnish rappers will ever be able to do with their average budgets. v5, v6..god only knows

page 3 I think

[solemn meteor]

Just heard the Elevenlabs audio. Is it really that impressive? I feel like Suno does the same, and I can still hear noise by the end of the tracks.

[prime bronze]

did you hear the demoreels?

https://twitter.com/elevenlabsio/status/1788628171044053386?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

ElevenLabs (@elevenlabsio) on X

Here’s an early preview of ElevenLabs Music.

All of the songs in this thread were generated from a single text prompt with no edits.

Title: It Started to Sing

Style: “Pop pop-rock, country, top charts song.”

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 5:52 PM

they SEEM to be on par if not bit above Udio on vocal and sound quality. Impossible to say if it has as good stem integration of vocals and music and instruments as Suno, but some songs I heard did give that impression

[solemn meteor]

I did hear them and they're impressive at what genre's they're singing.

[graceful swan]

It's still only hand selected demo stuff available though right?
Not any alpha tester user audio available?

[solemn meteor]

Exactly. We could pick the best from Suno and it'd give just as great quality.

[prime bronze]

yes, quality/generations is maybe the most important ratio

its godawful in udio for me

basically unusable

[graceful swan]

yes exactly

[solemn meteor]

I can't use Udio either.

[prime bronze]

not 100 in suno but maybe like 60-85 often

[solemn meteor]

I get some people swear by Udio, but it's just not for me.

[prime bronze]

you need to be aiming at publishable music you would listen to yourself actively on dayily basis, not just funny memes for one listen

THEN you will see the wreck of udios current status

[graceful swan]

Hey I listen to my memes all day okay?
No to be honest I am more in the experimental phase still trying to see what works what doesn't and what does interesting stuff 😄

[prime bronze]

and we all should be looking for the limits and capabilities. I think the difference is at what do you accept as end result and what are you planning to do with it.

[solemn meteor]

I've been obsessed with my music.

[prime bronze]

me too, god I listened to my "breakup song" yesterday like an hour straight

when it sounds good already in Suno, you know it will be tear-jerkingly good after some Audacity and BandLab handlings

[solemn meteor]

I am hoping for like Image2image tools that will improve quality of existing songs.

[graceful swan]

Yea I always try to make my tests as clean as possible. But sometimes it's just not possible and then I just say "eh let's ignore the noise and see where this goes"
I have one or two that could probably be published with some clean up but for now I don't really set that as my goal

Just making stuff I myself enjoy and test stuff out. Doesn't matter if it's slighty imperfect when only I listen to it 😄

[prime bronze]

i admire your self-control. After like 2 generations I bought the Pro annual sub and then rushed to distrokid and bought the 2nd tier annual sub to it, and started churning out songs

because i want to listen to them from spotify at work

[graceful swan]

Oh well yea true. I mean I have bought distrokid as well for like 10$/year there was some extra discount on top of their "super special secret discount" (you get when you leave the site and don't buy). And I though eh why not, just in case.

[prime bronze]

if you have your bangers public in Suno, just publish them via distro

[graceful swan]

true, might as well

[prime bronze]

those trending songs are stolen daily for monetizations

[solemn meteor]

This is my issue or I end up spending 4000 credits on song.

[graceful swan]

Yep, my endings get noise because of this (if it's a mostly test song) because the interesting stuff already happened and I just want it to end gracefully. I still do a few gens but not like extension every few seconds only because the metallic ringing apeared.

[prime bronze]

My personal next goal is to reach 36 songs, so I can make the maximum lenght album that Distrokid allows, and buy the legacy pack for it. it was 44 euro one time payment.

[solemn meteor]

I'm just uploading to youtube.

[graceful swan]

Thats the pack that stores it even after you dont pay distrokid anymore right?

[prime bronze]

yes

[graceful swan]

Thats quite smart with the big album then. Thats dirt cheap cost/song wise

[prime bronze]

yeah, i think for one song its 20 euro

so i checked what it was for maximum amount of songs

[west hull]

I actually just started distributing with distro 😅

I gave in, don't know if I made the right choice tho

[prime bronze]

welcome to the distrofamily

[graceful swan]

actual bigbrain move

[west hull]

I'm a bit anxious tbh

[prime bronze]

ahh the first email you get from them "your song is live on spotify and 20 other services"

it was frankly one of the most dystopian moments of my life

[west hull]

honestly just doing the whole process felt so weird for me, kinda surreal haha

and I'm yet to get that email but waiting eagerly 😁

[prime bronze]

it goes to youtube fast. they will create Artist name - topic

[hardy kestrel]

good afternoon

[west hull]

I'm curious, if I already have a channel will it be linked? or maybe I have to do it manually

[prime bronze]

when you get the email "has been sent to.." it will be on YT within an hour of that. Spotify will take 1-2 working days. Apple Store a week

No they handle everything everywhere

[west hull]

woah 😲 that's great then because there's so many platforms that it'd be such a headache to do it myself lol

how long have you been with distro?

I've never done this sort of thing before lol

[prime bronze]

since v3 went to aplha

[west hull]

ooh cool!

do songs get more traction on Spotify? it's what I heard at least

[hardy kestrel]

hey zacharia you seem to be knowledgable about distribution. I published my songs to streaming platforms recently via soundcloud for artists. and earlier this week they were all removed for vague reasons citing the music was against their policies. is there some kind of blanket ban on AI generated music that i havent heard about?

[prime bronze]

it will look like this on spotify

[prime bronze]

I dont' know about soundcloud. Spotify allows them and so does youtube. To be safe, in disrokid I put my full name in the lyrics and Suno Artificial intelligence (V3) i music

[wise zealot]

Did your music sound obviously ai ?

[prime bronze]

so it looks like...

[wise zealot]

I use distrokid as well

I had no issues

[wise zealot]

But I guess

[hardy kestrel]

far from it, the obvious give away is my artist name is male and most of the song are sung by females

[solemn meteor]

Mine are currently on soundcloud too, so far so good.

[west hull]

hearing you guys experience does ease my anxiety a bit 😊 I do appreciate it

[wise zealot]

Could also be the genre I guess

[west hull]

I think Spotify is a square image for music tho right?

[hardy kestrel]

it's indie-pop/ pop

[wise zealot]

I’m mainly edm so our vocals are always different

[wise zealot]

Yes

[west hull]

Soundcloud seems fine for me as well, tho I'm on free so I'll eventually stop posting there sadge

[prime bronze]

regarding AI rules..yea EU has regulation and individual services have started to take stances, like some metal archive decided not to allow ai music

but so far no bans, only requirements to state if its made using ai

[wise zealot]

Ai is an instrument of art

[west hull]

omg so cool

it'll be so surreal when I see myself there lmao

can't wait tho

[wise zealot]

Your songs do well with Suno

But

Idk how well it will do with ppl who don’t expect any ai slip ups in the sound

[prime bronze]

btw if you have spotify freem you will need...i think 15 songs for a playlist so that spotify won't add random songs. it was my first target

[west hull]

true

[wise zealot]

You need 30mins total of songs

[west hull]

is there a way to specify on Spotify that it is AI?

i don't recall

[wise zealot]

For an album on Spotify

[prime bronze]

ah ok its minutes

[wise zealot]

No

It’s not required

[west hull]

dang

[wise zealot]

Some ppl want to put ai in the title for clicks ik

But then you just end up getting criticized more for “it sounds like shit”

[west hull]

Hmm, I see

[wise zealot]

Bla bla bla

[prime bronze]

not yet. i have the tier on distro where I can access my artist page, so I made AI statement there to be compliant with EU regulation

[west hull]

I wonder what their stance is on AI music then

[wise zealot]

It’s like not a fair point of view

[graceful swan]

yet.. at least in EU there is an upcoming law I think that requires all AI generated contend to be visibly tagged as such.

[wise zealot]

They won’t score it fairly

[wise zealot]

I’m not eu so no worries for now

[west hull]

mmm but distro doesn't let you change it after distributing it, right?

[wise zealot]

Nope

[west hull]

would it affect songs previous to that law?

[wise zealot]

Will see when we get there

If you hear my songs they don’t sound ai at all

I did use ai lyrics during the beginning so I will give myself that as a giveaway

[prime bronze]

I emailed Distro about AI tag. they responded with "we don't have that yet, thanks", So i just use the add writer box and add Suno for musioc

[wise zealot]

Some songs have the forbidden words

I don’t see why put it

Atleast for my genre

[west hull]

okay, will keep this in mind for the next release

I want to be safe... as an EU resident lol

[wise zealot]

Vocal singers are different usually in every song anyways with edm

[west hull]

or you could also claim autotune

[wise zealot]

Did you pay for your distrokid membership yet

It’s like 15$

[prime bronze]

yeah it will take some years until this fuss dies. personally i think its just next step from autotune

[west hull]

yep, I got a year

not paying extras tho

[wise zealot]

Good

Yeah no need

The hardest part about sharing your music is the beginning

Mobile especially

I finally found a visualizer I like so I will attack that this weekend

I got my cover art album ready too

[west hull]

yeah, tho tbh I didn't even expect to release my music at all anyway

[west hull]

I've used a few for my youtube but honestly I'm not satisfied 😭 but maybe because I such at video editing

[prime bronze]

like this (assumig your real name would be Chibii Taii)

[wise zealot]

Same

[west hull]

oh, thank you! I'll save this 🙏

[wise zealot]

I think my non lyrical tracks will do better this time

[west hull]

btw sick cover art! so cozy ~

[wise zealot]

Yeah it’s for the lofi playlist I’m almost done with

[west hull]

I need more lofi songs, I'd love to listen when it's out

[wise zealot]

Problem with creating lofi is you fall asleep

[wise zealot]

I’ll remember to share it

[west hull]

true haha, either helps concentrate or lulls you to sleep

[wise zealot]

I think the hard part about being a sumo creator is if your songs are all over the place you won’t have a niche audience

[west hull]

though I do have several playlists for insomnia so it'd be handy anyway

[wise zealot]

So whoever is planning on making a lot of random shi it’s gonna be tough

I’m staying within the edm niche

[west hull]

mmm maybe not a dedicated one, but you'd have a little of something for any occasion or taste

i'm kinda all over the place ig

but my main niche is just the lyrics I write, nothing else 😅

[frank panther]

Once I discovered [louche trombone] my hopes of mainstream music acceptance flew out the window.

[wise zealot]

Write me some

[west hull]

whost writing

[manic dune]

https://suno.com/song/814b20a7-734b-40ee-af78-d634f269dec0

[summer flint]

rate this beat out of 10

[prime bronze]

some comparison regarding what i mean with stem integration. Like said, Udio has superior sound quality, but something just feels offy

https://www.udio.com/songs/vuY2yDz4YBWCEwmov8ALmk

https://suno.com/song/917eda29-8f89-4a57-a573-ba58668cc2f5

sunos guitars hitting them bounces is just fucking amazing

[frank panther]

the Suno one sounds more like live music... which is the 1st prompt so should be the most important...

30sec on Udio doesn't give it enough time to evolve... it has crowd noise but the mix is a little 'muted'?

[prime bronze]

udio is a jazzmachine. it shines when it doesn't matter if the band and the singer are not on the same song

[fast rivet]

i have to admit that the artefacts in udio music really have a way better sound quality.

[austere tree]

A summer hit ? https://www.udio.com/songs/oyrVhTM8CJYz1p1hisqxxv lol quite happy with the results, lyrics all made by myself

[prime bronze]

hmm, the polite frenchman was deleted

maybe he was supposed to post in udio discord

suno off-topic is so udio that lurkers think they are on udio general

[orchid gust]

udio, is so empty of feedback they mostly here:)

[frank panther]

It's almost like they are crap at building a community.

and I'm tired of moderating theirs.

[shell wagon]

It's the competition, it's like going into Coca-Cola with a Pepsi hahaha 😂

[frozen temple]

Like, I enjoy this image. But it wasn't what I wanted.

[graceful swan]

dat table a bit short though

[frozen temple]

Don't you see the other desks, they're all full!

[queen barn]

i have a track with the same name xD

[rough helm]

Anyone here heard the new ElevenLabs Music previews?

It's so good

[queen barn]

waiting what´s the real result^^

[rough helm]

Yeah, it's probably cherrypicked, but they have a great track record with audio so I have high hopes

[frozen temple]

Can we play with it yet?

[rough helm]

As far as I can tell it's not available yet

[frozen temple]

I don’t believe it until Normies can touch it

[rough helm]

.

[rough helm]

x3

XD

[frozen temple]

@uneven shoal sent you a DM regarding the interview stuff. Hope you don't mind me asking a bit more about it.

[west hull]

epic

[sick owl]

Well, wow. Just... wow. You just taught me a couple things I didn't know about Suno - and lots more than I care to know about basketball. 😆

[strong agate]

It makes sense that ElevenLabs could be totally on-point with the vocals, as they've been best-in-sport on the text-to-speech field for years now. We'll have to see how the rest comes together. I did notice an extensive article on Suno on their site, so they are likely using Suno as inspiration. https://elevenlabs.io/blog/suno-ai/

[hoary wind]

Uhhh what?

"This article explains how to create AI songs starting from a simple text prompt with the Suno plugin, digs into its top features, and explores the tool's pros and cons."

Suno... plugin?

[frozen temple]

Maybe someone should shoot em an email with some updates surrounding Suno? They might still have it written around the bots.

[hoary wind]

The article reads like it was written by AI

[frank panther]

have we been had?

[hoary wind]

That would be hilarious, if it turns out it's just Suno under the hood

"The new Suno killer is.... Suno!"

[frozen temple]

Hear me out, i remove what's on screen and put Noisee clips on there.

[hoary wind]

Maybe it's v4 👀