📚┃suno-school

[silver escarp]

Yeah, for sure. I'm happy that it's out!

[tired oar]

Im assuming i should stop creating right now to save credits and wait until later today then?! haha omg

Will using the V4 Model cost us more credits??

[marsh adder]

remaster seems to cost 2 per 10 credits 😮

[hollow hare]

Should be the same price, we will know the duets when we get the announcement

[tired oar]

damn didnt catch that! gotta say worth it!!! AND got the BEST Persona Out of it. absolutely next level

[hollow hare]

Remaster will likely be (X) Free amount, probably 200?

[marsh adder]

only 1 free

[hollow hare]

Ah

Better than none

[silver escarp]

Has anyone tried an older persona on the v4 yet? Does it sound any better?

[marsh adder]

but there are 5 for mobile....whatever that means

[hoary marsh]

So these voice tags, can they be added into the lyrics to tell the AI that on this sentence, I want you (as an example) to sing lower? https://howtopromptsuno.com/making-music/voice-tags

[hushed nymph]

can anyone know if there's a term for a key pitch in a song when it raises the key or pitch of the song for dramatic emphasis? does it raise a half key? full?

[unborn quiver]

V4 is up

Crazy

[marsh adder]

I was just gonna go out for some groceries.... I guess I'll starve to death now 😵

[valid portal]

Hello, will we ever have API integrations?

[wind venture]

The announcement post says personas and covers are “supercharged” in V4. Can we get more info on what this actually means? Do these features actually work properly now unlike before? This is pretty vague terminology.

[charred merlin]

All of the improvements that v4 offers, but with the added flexibility of changing styles 👀

[marsh adder]

Whole AI music is one big vague thing to be honest 🙂 You just need to embrace it

[dense pasture]

There is a issue for the song time ? Many songs is cuted at 3:12 😮

[remote flume]

Is there a reason why I can't cover with v4?

[crude jetty]

I would love to know if they fixed the persona issues with v4, but nothing's said about it...

[wind venture]

Well it determines whether or not I’m gonna resubscribe. Like many, I had a lot of issues with covers & personas working properly so I mostly wanted to understand how they were improved. For example, half of the time I would do a cover it would just output the same audio with a slight key change. If that issue is fixed then it should be mentioned.

[crude jetty]

try refreshing the page?

[remote flume]

I did

😢

[charred merlin]

.

The new lyrics model is less restricted
Not a big deal -- I just realized it only impacts the lyrics that are autogenerated -- the automod is just as aggressive as before

[marsh adder]

That may be subjective. Feel free to ask other people, check v4 songs or... try by yourself

[wind venture]

I’m gonna wait and see what other people say. I can’t resubscribe with such vague info like “supercharged” lol

[marsh adder]

2 things seem to repeat with v4 - better sound quality and more broad sound

[crude jetty]

Ya, thins sound so much different now, some are much better

[charred merlin]

If you're using a persona for those, it sounds like that particular persona is using a 48s clip of the original song the persona is based on -- that's what it uses to ensure that the follow clips sound similar.

[crude jetty]

I still have free persona songs availiable, I'll test on one of the ones I'm working on right now

[hybrid vine]

Can't cover a song made with 3.5? I can only remaster it?

[tame nova]

but what is "persona"

[languid vapor]

Hi! So I don't know but like I had songs I used with Suno but I can't see them anymore?

Is it jjust on the web browser r what

[pseudo vale]

So songs with certain types of drums are turned into 8-bit drums. Anything heavy

[empty whale]

I have a pro subscription and can’t make covers or songs using V4… I change it and it keeps going back to 3.5

[crude jetty]

a persona is a style you save from a generated song

[hollow hare]

#📢┃announcements message

Basically think of it like an artist/song profile

[crude jetty]

aw.. they removed my free credits on personas LMAO

[heavy pivot]

yeh

mine too

whyy

[karmic pagoda]

my song won't genetate

generate*

[crude jetty]

looks like they fixed the lyrical issues with personas. It's not generating the same lyrics anymore edit: Nope, it STILL generates the wrogn lyrics

[karmic pagoda]

its spinning when generating a song

[heavy pivot]

but why they delete our free credits?

[crude jetty]

can take a bit

[hybrid vine]

I can't select v4 for covers. Only v3.5

[karmic pagoda]

but its been like 5 mins

[harsh radish]

Okay so here my at small review at the v4. It is good for "normal" music. But when there's some techno in it, the ai have some difficulties. A lot of reverb mostly. But for "simple" music it's good

[jade mist]

Any screen reader users here? I can't switch models. Does this mean i'm stuck on V3.5 until they make it default? Or do you screen reader users found a way😞

[crude jetty]

And? think about how many people are currently hitting the servers

[crude jetty]

use shift-tab until it goes to it

[harsh radish]

Here's some exemples.

https://suno.com/song/d3bb2d67-6729-43ef-9fba-82195472c732

https://suno.com/song/dc4aec9f-5624-4ea6-a6da-b89a91b39e28

https://suno.com/song/045a1677-0d78-490b-859a-0ddb2e1ba425

[warped laurel]

same here, i'm not sure if i'm using v3.5 still or v4

it says v3.5 still, but at the top i'm using v4

[pastel fox]

When I select v4 it generates a song about this is a fake app and i should go to suno.com to download the ios or android app....
https://suno.com/song/35c23a70-bd2b-4bac-9669-320bb752984d

[wind venture]

Lmao what, that’s weird

[willow dune]

Is here an Admin i can Talk with?

[hollow hare]

Try changing models to like 3/3.5 then back to 4. Could be a visual bug with default set to 4

[crude jetty]

it's not defaulted to 4 though

[hollow hare]

If you need help with your account or something the community, reach out to [e-mail]

[warped laurel]

but i see them fine at the main menu

https://i.imgur.com/HbuSgln.png

[jade mist]

Doesn't work, it goes to upload audio... Are you a screen reader user?

[crude jetty]

hit tab again, but not shift-tab

[hollow hare]

Please contact [e-mail]

[lunar anvil]

Personas that were created on V3.5 get an error when trying to create songs in V4.

[crude jetty]

are you actually on the IOS app?

[willow dune]

Its a Thing of billing

[graceful condor]

V4 is out! 👀

[crude jetty]

that's intertesting, I made a v4 cover with a v3.5 persona without an issue (other than the v3.5 issues, of course)

[hollow hare]

In that case, definitely email [e-mail] because no one here would be able to help you with that

[tight spade]

im on it like a fat kid on a smarty

[mortal juniper]

Can you please tell how much time does it take to revieve a reply

[rugged field]

Why is it saying suno.com is a fake app?

[willow dune]

Thx

[lunar anvil]

It worked now. I had to create a song in V4 then go back and select the Persona to create another... Oh well maybe it was a gremlin.

[hollow hare]

Typically a few business days (EST time zone)

[mortal juniper]

Ok ty!

[rugged field]

So you have to user mobile now?

[crude jetty]

that could be it because you'vd never used v4 yet. I remasters a song first

[harsh radish]

I hope that it can help to see where's the v4 lack in

[cold zenith]

yes it's releaseddd

[jade mist]

I can't still select it. Screen reader (NVDA) moves to an unnamed button and when I press it, it doesn't switch models. Guess I have to wait longer than most people... unless there is a solution. I know @clever crescent uses a screen reader

[graceful condor]

hey do you mind sharing the channel link where the pros rub elbows? Thanks 🤔

[crude jetty]

I do not, but that does get to the button. I'm lookign for how to select it within the keyboard

[tight spade]

nope lol

[livid sand]

Does anyone know if personas are based of the model? Like is a persona from a 3.5 song gunna be the quality of vocals from 3.5?

[charred merlin]

I might be bias -- but there's lots of creative innovators right here in this server, except they don't pretend they understand everything -- they've admitted that we're all learning in the same way, and want to share what they've found. 💪

@frigid orbit has been sharing some of their observations in #1252267444773326848 to name a more recent example, but there's a lot of great community resources 🙂

[crude jetty]

persona is simply afingerprint, it has nothing to do with the generation

[lethal blade]

Can you create a persona from a song that used a sample input yet?

[eager rampart]

V4 remaster is great for vocals but the instrumentals are watered down a bit 🤔

[livid sand]

Doesn't look like i can remaster with a persona. So I lose the vocal style when remastering. Maybe just need to do more atttempts though

[worn glade]

V4 is great, but am getting a faint repetitive sound like a distant burglar alarm in my remasters. Thanks for all your efforts to improve SUNO!!

[crude jetty]

https://suno.com/song/760aefe7-9fab-4663-abd8-e464f3a544ad <the persona issues are still very present here

[hybrid vine]

Wow the extend feature in v4 is weird.

[graceful condor]

Thanks anyway, I feel your pain, sometimes making music can get "painful" but hang in there, have a good one 🙃

[tight spade]

you2

[snow heron]

anyone here having issues with buying extra credits?

[broken knot]

Have zero credits left for v4. Doh. At least it refills for me sometime tonight.

[woeful lava]

Is it me or there seems to be a lot of background clanking in the remastered versions? Not sure how to describe it...

[crude jetty]

They use some non-standard method for pulling that menu, no shortcuts I have found work

[timber finch]

Yes I'm getting a clanking ticking type noise too

[fringe linden]

Same here. There's a really wierd sould in the backgound that makes the tracks unusable. Here's an example. Very noticable from 00:40:

https://suno.com/song/1f0cf25f-839d-40f8-80d1-8f6c03c37eae

[woeful lava]

This really should be reported, I'm sure they can tune it

[cunning mulch]

Is it just me, or do my metal intros in Remasters sound weaker than before, and the vocalist starts out different, eventually 'morphing' into the original?

[crude jetty]

can you link the original please?

[fringe linden]

Yeah, here's the original (made in v3.5):

https://suno.com/song/61c696e8-20fe-4144-9289-a8a72314d584

[timber finch]

I'm getting that as well in the remasters

[rugged field]

I am going to suno.com directly and it's not letting me in it saying on every song for the lyrics that is the fake app or something like that for me to help me out?

[violet mesa]

Hi there.. V4 remastering works for someone? I'll try and try and nothing

[queen abyss]

I noticed regarding the creation of instrumental music that on rhythmic genres (drum and bass, breakcore, electro house sometimes) there are hi hat or cymbals noises or something very fast in the background.

[rugged field]

Whoops speech to text butchered that

[crude jetty]

if you remaster it again, does it do it a 2nd time?

[mint heron]

I can select it, i press on v3.5, go down to the end of the page and just press on the model I need.

[frigid orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-vince-mc-mahon-entrance-entry-strut-gif-4685176

[fringe linden]

Yeah, I have tried several remasters. All with the same sound issue

[crude jetty]

What if you reuse it and generate it anew?

[velvet hill]

Have some people tried to add additional voices to Suno? I also tested adding notes to try a French Christmas song, and it's totally terrible. It sounds like rap, and even when amplifying the sound well.

[charred merlin]

... > Report > Bug > Poor Audio Quality & thumbs down is remarkably powerful in regards to user-feedback in these early days 👀

[fringe linden]

Even with a "reuse prompt" it's still noticeable in the background

[limber pike]

does anyone know what quality the waves we are downloading are in V.4

[graceful condor]

Is there any other contact besides billing to resolve a subscription issue? I haven't heard anything in nearly 24 hours.

[unborn quiver]

Have anyone of you tried making a persona out of a 10 minute track? It seems to not want to do it and keeps erroring out

[neat lake]

Hi, I am impressed with the V4 masters, but I cannot seem to change the model in create box from 3.5 to V4. I am using a screenreader if it helps. Any ideas?

[neat lake]

I usually did that and it worked, but this time it doesn't seem to change anything and there's no choice to change the model

[charred merlin]

I forgot to tag you when you asked last night, but have you tried to crop a 9m segment of that song & use that for a persona? #📚┃suno-school message

It seems like personas use anywhere from 12-60s of the original song, so cropping out a minute to let it fit into the persona window shouldn't impact the resulting quality of the persona, I'd imagine

[mint heron]

It worked for me, One thing tho, It shill shows v3.5, But I think this is just the bug with model names. Song do seem difrent.

[unborn quiver]

lol song in question has 2 minutes of buildup alone

;-;

[dawn ibex]

Has anyone managed to create a full song lasting more than 4 minutes? And if so, how can it be done?

[charred merlin]

They're the only people to contact for billing issues -- active during american EST business hours, and seem to respond to emails in order of when they were received -- it might take a couple business days 🙏

[nova reef]

in 4.0 some weird noise comes in , anybody know when it will be fixed?

[charred merlin]

Extend, then "get whole song" -- 4m is the limit for initial generations -- #1270928841614823546 message (a video tutorial on how to extend)

[rose galleon]

so no remastering v1 songs?

[dawn ibex]

Thx

[limber pike]

Has Suno V4 increased the quality of the songs wavs that we download.?

[charred merlin]

If you're giving it a 10m wide sheet, and it's only able to "cookie cutter" out 1m max to use, shaving off 1m of the intro likely isn't going to impact the persona, seeing as how the persona doesn't use the full 10m, only whatever small clip it chooses to focus on -- you can get more specific results with a persona by priming the clip & giving it less to choose from, so you have a better idea of what the resulting persona will sound like

[limber pike]

Are yyou using a Audio interface, if you are some of them will give you static noise.

[charred merlin]

No, it's a whole v4 thing 😅

[nova reef]

Not static , Its almost like an arpegiator

[mint heron]

When I do remastering It just gives me 2 seckond silent clip, and refunds credits. So I guess you people are lucky with your remasters.

[unborn quiver]

Just tried extracting a 1:48 long segment and making persona out of that didn't work either

[charred merlin]

Seems like the servers might be SLAMMED atm

[limber pike]

Did you download it as wav.

[charred merlin]

If you're not able to make a persona from the song using even a small clip, then it sounds like the clip might be the issue -- is there any chance the clip originated as an audio upload that contained vocals?

[unborn quiver]

No it isn't an upload

[nova reef]

Yeah

[charred merlin]

... > Report > Bug > Poor Audio Quality -- a couple different names for that particular v4 artefact atm, but reporting it is the best way to help them train it out of the next update 🙏

[unborn quiver]

Although one thing I am seeing is because there are so many extension when I select range to crop it doesn't always pickup all the lyrics and tags in red

[heavy pivot]

suno v4 its working?

[nova reef]

Alright

[heavy pivot]

to me its not generating

[unborn quiver]

Maybe it doesn't know what lyrics and tags are for what parts of song so it can't make a persona?

idk

[limber pike]

What quality was the audio.

[charred merlin]

If you want to dm me the link, I can see if I can figure out what the hiccup is?

[nova reef]

The whole song is very nice , It's just that one thing that comes in

[rustic gale]

https://suno.com/song/63bf684d-1458-4ba1-a01d-ae7eabbc0820
Some one ordered Devil? XD Why it has this strange intro XD for a whole minute+

[limber pike]

Upload the audio.

[nova reef]

@limber pike EVen the Sample songs suno officially has, they have it too

[unborn quiver]

Sure, DM'd

[charred merlin]

🙏 Thank you for your assistance, but know there's a common audio artefact in some v4 songs -- this likely isn't a mistake or misundertanding on the user's part

[dawn ibex]

Yes, that's the basic extension, but I read that with V4, we could directly move to a longer song without using the "extend" option...

[nova reef]

@limber pike

[limber pike]

Does anyone know how Suno.V4 has increased wav quality.

[nova reef]

It's less compressed

And Stereo space is better

[unborn grove]

Is the subscription real?

[crude jetty]

yea, seems V4 still has a lot of bad audio issues

[charred merlin]

The sounds themselves sound better, but no changes have been made to the actual .wav files

[loud fiber]

I am getting this as well

It sound exactly the same

[nova reef]

Right, It's even like tis on official suno examples for 4.0

[unborn grove]

Is the subscription real? Because I don’t know if it is

[nova reef]

Well you cant use it commercially without subscription

[limber pike]

It sounds like a metronome type percussion or some other instrument fx. Try listening to it on headphone or speakers and not your computer.

[deft nimbus]

is v4 working for generating instrumentals? I created a song with V4 toggled, and the end result songs had the V3.5 tag

[charred merlin]

I might need more context...

[tropic estuary]

<@&1150459415359664138> can i create remixes on suno?

[nova reef]

Bro, I am a professional SOund Engineer listening on DT 770 Pro

[cunning mulch]

hmm.... I'm interested in just how much I can massage things to get this one minor change in ("In defense" to "On behalf") on a Remaster

[unborn grove]

It’s in $ and I don’t use $

[tropic estuary]

like i put a song and it makes me a remix

[charred merlin]

Welcome to "The Shimmer" 👀 -- you don't need to convince anyone that it exists.

[nova reef]

It's in every 4.0 creation

Not just mine

[wind venture]

The closest thing would be the “cover” feature but it’s pretty inconsistent with how well it works

[crude jetty]

you shouldn't tag the devs @tropic estuary did you not read the rules when you came in?

[loud fiber]

It's definitely a bug. The repeats of the sound are even at the same tempo across different songs

[tropic estuary]

oops

[loud fiber]

Same pitch, everything

[tropic estuary]

mb

[loud fiber]

It's not the shimmer

[limber pike]

Was the Bitarate 1536

[loud fiber]

It's extremely amplified

only on v4

[unborn grove]

I just want to know if it’s not a scam

[charred merlin]

It's a legitimate company.

[neat lake]

Maybe a stupid question, but anything could help at this point. Can you tell me what do you press to get the list of models to choose from?

[limber pike]

I listened on Dt 1990 Pro.

[unborn grove]

That doesn’t answer my question

[charred merlin]

It absolutely does.

[unborn grove]

Then why are there so many bad reviews on there

[crude jetty]

They're referring to with a screen-reader

[charred merlin]

Not sure where you're reading these reviews from -- either way, caveat emptor

[unborn grove]

What?

[limber pike]

Does anyone know if the Bitrate of the wav file has increased in V.4

[knotty skiff]

it really depends on what your skill is with writing or what you want to do with the Suno tool...
use it like you're having a conversation or taking notes describing a song and let Suno write the lyrics and layout for you
OR
plan and go through the writing process then add the layout in to the tool and generate..

Play around and go from there, you can sort of learn as you go, or learn poetry formats and syllable counts and all that stuff... up to you how you use the tool provided

[charred merlin]

"caveat emptor" == buyer beware -- if you don't trust Suno, don't buy a subscription.

It looks like you've been using Suno for the last couple months -- presumably you've gotten to know the platform. If you have any direct questions, we're happy to give our opinion, but we can't be expected to answer "why are people leaving bad reviews" without knowing where these reviews are being left.

[hoary marsh]

In there a way to merge two separate tracks/songs into one?

[charred merlin]

Not directly through Suno 🙏 Unless you mean stitching the extensions together with the original clip -- that's "get whole song" on the part 2 clip in ... > Create > Get Whole Song

[neat lake]

Seems like noone knows anything as of yet

[knotty skiff]

there's ways... maybe not yet in the Suno tool

[viscid timber]

Why guys

[charred merlin]

Are you on a paid membership?

[viscid timber]

No Is free

[knotty skiff]

V4 only pro and premium i guess?

[hollow hare]

Bolded as such at #📢┃announcements

[limber pike]

Has the quality of Stem seperation improved.

[knotty skiff]

can still hear vocal track in instrumental clearly

[hollow hare]

Like with the past models, newest models are limited to subscribers for at least a week before opening to free (if it will be). During this phase, the up- and down-votes from the subs are used for the final training of the model before it is fully released and frozen

[viscid timber]

NO. I have a subscription

[astral bay]

It's a noise artifact it was present in 3.5 but was more shimmery muddy and accumulated thru gens. This is like that turned up 11. Wonder if it's gonna be looked at.

[crude jetty]

all things that launch come to subscriptions first. Just look at what people are complaning about with v4 right now. there's audio issues all over right now

[knotty skiff]

refresh your browser, clear cache maybe

[hollow hare]

Try refreshing your page. If that did not work, try cache-bypass reloading (#📚┃suno-school message) or simply relog

[daring bay]

problem: sometimes switching between create and library causes the page to refresh and the song I'm listening to to stop playing. it didn't used to do that.

[viscid timber]

me. I wonder why not put it for free

[knotty skiff]

I used suno for like 1 day then went to the 2k credits plan... i wouldn't know what it feels like to be a free member lol - that's why it was a guess

[cunning mulch]

Is there no way to use 3.5 Replace Section anymore?

[crude jetty]

lol I did it for 3 myself

[limber pike]

What is 2k credits plan

[viscid timber]

I Need create big room Song

[knotty skiff]

👆 yea that one

[loud fiber]

It seems to happen particularly badly on songs that begin with drums in the intro before other instruments come in. Like it can't handle the silence to heavy staccato right away and just delays the crap out of it.

[neat lake]

For any screenreader users, I've found that it's possible to select the new model in Mozilla Firefox, but not in Google Chrome, so if you're struggling, try another browser. No idea what it's related to, but it worked for me!

[knotty skiff]

I use chrome and had no issue, could be numerous user-end reasons, I would suggest some basic troubleshooting like, restart, clear cache, log out-log in

[cyan holly]

I get an error when using Persona and trying to generate a song -

[crude jetty]

v3 or v4?

[cyan holly]

v4

[viscid timber]

Suno v4 Do you think they'll put it on for free?

[charred merlin]

Usually means something in your style prompt or lyrics is being blocked by the automoderator https://help.suno.com/en/articles/3198209

It might be similarly related to the song that the persona is using as a template

[knotty skiff]

yea usually doesn't take too long until it goes to free users

[crude jetty]

Have you made a v4 song outside personas yet?

[viscid timber]

Okay

[neat lake]

Not surprised lol. Now I am generating with V4, but it generates whatever it wants, not following any prompts 😄

[deft girder]

i have a question if i end my song with v3 does it affect the quality of the rest of the song (was v4)

[cyan holly]

ah, that seems to be the case, it didn't like the lyrics created by Suno itself haha

[deft girder]

nm the answer is yes it affects it. it lowers the bitrate it sounds way worse

[knotty skiff]

I haven't tried any fresh gens today, only remasters that... had their ups and downs, shall we say
I have a song written that I haven't generated yet I should try it out

[outer cosmos]

yes its not as we expected 😩

[deft girder]

so v4 is gonna be horrible at ending songs i guess heh

ill just find a place to hard crop

[knotty skiff]

it happens, sometimes the AI simply doesn't get what you're trying to say/do

I had a song that I had to do everything manually because the AI simply didn't want to work with it, it generated ok in the end but didn't want to do any structure stuff... ended up being a great opportunity for learning tbh

[tame nova]

remaster is going strange because it takes the idea of ​​3.5 and makes it to V4, if in 3.5 there are strange things the new version will also do it, but I suppose that if you do it normal it does it well

[valid mango]

i cant create cover songsssss whyyy

[loud gazelle]

Well - Remaster is creating really short clips 🤨 - anyone else got this issue? 9/10 are those 2-5 second clips and some are slightly longer, but I don't get a full remaster so far...

[viscid timber]

I wanted to try version 4

[knotty skiff]

seeing as this is being a relatively common error, it might be a version translation issue, best to report the instance to the bug techs

[viscid timber]

Create my track remix crash Bandicoot

[zinc kayak]

guys I need help!!! so when I try to extend a song it FORCES me to use V4!!!! I've been trying to click V3.5 or V3, but it doesn't let me. is there any way around this??? (and it only does this when I try to extend a uploaded audio)

[crude jetty]

that's interesting... I've remastered nearly 8-minute songs with an issue. try refreshing your browser?

[dense cove]

The v4 badge is not appearing next to my songs even though I have it set to v4 while generating, anyone knows whats going on?

[upbeat glade]

that bug artifact is super apparent in metal lol

[crude jetty]

It's interesting that I'm not getting it with grunge though

[upbeat glade]

its in a lot of the metalcore

[knotty skiff]

rock or anything rock adjacent it seems, i've got some soul-rock tracks that get the clicking quite predominantly

[loud gazelle]

already logged in 2 times again - issue stays the same... Also: Suno does no apply the V4-Icon to my songs, even if I create a new one under V4

[upbeat glade]

it sounds like its trying to do reverb, but completely wrong lmao

[loud gazelle]

Seems like V4 not working for me rn

[cyan holly]

ReMi model seems not to be working, as everything that I'm trying to create for a test with ReMi, it gets stuck and doesn't finish. Classical mode works tho

[zinc kayak]

should I try logging out and logging in again? or is it just something I can't fix? 😭

[upbeat glade]

its a mobile bug, it does the same for me but with v3.5

[knotty skiff]

iOS app or browser?

[upbeat glade]

browser

i have an android so im not sure about the app

[knotty skiff]

tried force closing the app/browser?

[upbeat glade]

idk im using it on pc right now

[oblique tinsel]

I so badly want to use this to create stems to practice drums against but there's a huge issue I can't seem to resolve. It needs to be quantized at a specific tempo in order to make that work. I was told in gerneral chat that it's not possible, but I thought I'd ask in here as well, since it seems to be a technical issue.

[upbeat glade]

dont practice drums to AI beats lol

you cant lock the tempo

so i wouldnt advise it

[oblique tinsel]

lot of promise though, and it would be a very cool use case; I'll keep an eye on it.

[knotty skiff]

Sorry thought you said mobile

[scenic rapids]

I'm trying to use "Personas" in version 3.5, but it automatically switches to version 4. Is this a bug?

[spring token]

Hey, I use "replace section" with v 3.5 a lot but now it forces me to use v4 and it sounds much worse, is there anything I can do?

[upbeat glade]

it is

i was just answering someone else

not asking for help

god the artifact is such a strange thing to happen

makes me wonder how it develops something like that

[loud fiber]

It is compressing the shimmer but also truncating it, creating a loud delay effect

[upbeat glade]

thats what I was saying, sounds like reverb majorly failed lmao

[knotty skiff]

in the v4 Feedback channel there's a thread that's started about it about a minute or so ago

[glad oyster]

V4's singing in Taiwanese is weaker than V3.5's. Why did it regress?

[hollow hare]

Different model = parameters changes & AI learns different patterns

[stoic stag]

I've been waiting for v4 since 3.5 was released and apparently, even with v4, extending songs still absolutely refuse to use the prompted lyrics. Tbh, it seems even more broken now since in v3.5, u cld just change where u extend from and it hopefully fixed it some of the time. In v4, nothing I do makes the A,I use the prompted lyrics lels... Any workarounds?

[knotty skiff]

it's not just in taiwanese, it's got issues across the board, but it does have some improvements in some ways also, it is still a WIP after all

[quasi birch]

Even though I select the v4 model for my song, the small icon next to the generated song still shows v3.5. Is this a known issue? Does anyone else see the v4 icon correctly when using the v4 model? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[knotty skiff]

I would recommend to keep trying and see if it's not just a generation in particular or a sentence structure that needs adjusting

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

most likely, i think i just saw something like that in there

[stoic stag]

ive spent like 300 credits trying. also created new instrumentals to then extend off further varying from 3-10 seconds. v4 just appears to b broke with extensions.

[calm bobcat]

https://suno.com/song/d63fa403-deb3-4547-847e-e1e40ffb36b3 Does the 4.0 also have these sound artifacts for you?

[lunar anvil]

It is overkill for storage, but not if the end goal is for distribution. I just downloaded a WAV for one of my tracks and it shows 16-bit/48 kHz, which is considered broadcast or studio quality and is slightly higher than 16-bit/44 kHz (CD quality). It is 03:17 long and would be 3 times larger at 24-bit/96 kHz at ~108.3 MB.

It would be expensive for Suno to offer the higher quality 24-bit/96 kHz WAV as it would take more compute time to generate from the audio array and would likely increase egress costs compared to the 16-bit/48 kHz WAV file. Perhaps, they could offer a tier or add-on package for higher quality WAV generations which would offset the cost of generation and egress.

[knotty skiff]

can you timestamp please?

[calm bobcat]

0:38

start

[crude jetty]

that sounds normal to me.. edit: oh, I hear the ticking..

[knotty skiff]

it sounds like there's a slight double up like there's 2 drum kits doing kicks but other than that it sounds like it's meant to be there

[crude jetty]

no there's a whirring int he background, it's not doubled

[knotty skiff]

i'll listen again

[crude jetty]

start at 1:12

https://suno.com/song/12301b9e-e3db-46ad-9be5-2073b2c7667b I have it here at 1:20 as well, right after the chorus

[glad oyster]

But when I used a Taiwanese song made with v3.5 for v4 to edit, it actually turned a song that v3.5 sang correctly into something incomprehensible.

[knotty skiff]

ah yep, haven't had that one myself, but it's definately there, albeit it's a minor issue compared to most right now

[crude jetty]

idk, a music generation creating music artifacts is an issue

[calm bobcat]

Could this issue be only in the remastering?

[open summit]

in principle, remaster is an ingenious feature. But I have the feeling that the tempo can be a bit off from the original and it changes the style slightly once in a while

[crude jetty]

Let me fresh generate it, and just use the persona

[near ice]

Is the website down? All generations get declined

[crude jetty]

it's fine here

[pastel solar]

for me it generats but i cant play them anymore

[knotty skiff]

yes i've had the tempo go inconsistent from the original and can slow considerably which then causes other generation issues

[daring bay]

yeah my generations are perpetually loading

"clip got stuck while generating"

[rain sky]

I just got an error „Song stuck while generating” for V4, when remastering an existing V3.5 song.

[quasi birch]

thanks.. something similar is there. I don't know if they are still rolling the update to users

[cyan holly]

trying out how audio upload works with v4. Created a beat, I have lyrics ready, now I wanna make V4 sing them and continue the song after 2nd minute mark

[open summit]

yep, definitely slower, not faster

[lunar anvil]

It sounds like reverb to me on my headphones. (ATH-M50x)

[rain sky]

Note: that started happening after I was able to remaster another song.
Correct error message:
A clip got stuck while generating.
No credits were used and you can retry.

[crude jetty]

I hear a whiling tick-like sound when I listen on speakers

well, now it's producing text in the icons for the songs

[edgy aurora]

I got the same problem i had last time with suno getting stuck generating clips, i was told it could be the profanity etc. So... now i got it again with a different song, but suno actually already generated multiple clips for this song, there is no profanity in it, why doesnt it want to work now?

[rain sky]

It has nothing to do with profanity

[bleak gust]

phew! good to know. You arent the only one having the same issue

[knotty skiff]

Check here for the issues with V4 many other users are having the same or similar issues
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[hoary marsh]

Question on Stems. Since the music was generated in Suno why do I not get a clean stem? I can hear vocal echo in the instrumental and instrumentation in the vocals. Shouldn't that all be handled on creation to make sure these are truly separate tracks?

[edgy aurora]

welp

[bleak gust]

it should be back up. try again

[foggy shale]

Anyone having issues with Remaster?

[knotty skiff]

numerous people, numerous issues

[worn flicker]

Aight so here is what seems to be happening.

[foggy shale]

always gotta rush features for investors - screw the users

[zinc spade]

cusom mode lyics dose not work give me diffent lyics

[foggy shale]

Personas weren't ready for primetime either

[rain sky]

Checking.

Confirmed, I am able to remaster now

[worn flicker]

I have been remastering since the announcement happened

[foggy shale]

good for you

[worn flicker]

Thanks for the atta boy

[foggy shale]

im paying $60 I want features that work

[worn flicker]

Ok then read. Beta

[crude jetty]

https://suno.com/song/d9c3d267-e6cc-4ed9-a8d7-3a587e47e189 it's here too, even before the intro finishes

[glad oyster]

I noticed that although the sound quality has improved in v4.0, the song lyric recognition seems to have become weaker.

[worn flicker]

You aren't paying for beta

[chrome scarab]

yes

[worn flicker]

So instead of complaining how about we do some learning

[foggy shale]

no but Im freely giving my time for them to test it

[knotty skiff]

do you mean from written to vocal?

[worn flicker]

And then come in here with such constructive criticism I see. I am sure they are happy

[foggy shale]

again, paying for their service, premium, are you?

[worn flicker]

Yup

Top tier

[foggy shale]

ok well you are more satisfied with a product making you a guinnea pig than me

[worn flicker]

I am just saying that complaining about a beta is missing the point

[foggy shale]

no its not, I work in product, I know how this all works

and they shouldnt release features that dont work

[knotty skiff]

@foggy shale @worn flicker as much as this is a thrilling debate on both sides, can you take it out of the tech channel?

[jade mist]

I got V4 working! It's cool. The constant audio glitch is definitely a bug because they said it's a beta for subscribers only. By the time it's available to free users, i'm pretty sure it will be gone.

[worn flicker]

I am wrapping it up now sorry

[fathom gulch]

how do i put in a support ticket? v4 comes in as v3.5 and everytime extending upload maxes at 2min

[rain sky]

Must be my old ears, but remasters don't seem to experience glitching with V4, except that fleeting issue with generation errors

[crude jetty]

@lunar anvil https://suno.com/song/0f0d79df-213d-43bf-a094-e560e324e252 brand new generation, it's there within the first verse

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[worn flicker]

So what I originally came in here for was things to note. I saw people talking about the "reverb" ish effect.

From what I can tell it is doing noise reduction on the flanger sound that would happen with the longer generations in v3.5

Well Hiss reduction

[knotty skiff]

From my observations in here there's been 3 distinct issues with artifacts brought up
A clicking noise
A soft static/whirring
and the reverb issue

[worn flicker]

De-hiss

[humble pawn]

its very unfortunate this metallic echo delay sound that is in almost everything im creating. if it tries to do atmospheric stuff, seems to be the trigger. it's always the same frequency too.

[crude jetty]

100% always the same frequency

[worn flicker]

Haven't heard those yet. I jumped strait to my songs that had the most drift, and that is what I've seen so far. It cleans them, but it still has the original drift

[knotty skiff]

yea it's a shame i liked the more atmospheric tone of my older metal and heavy rock ballads

[humble pawn]

im super bummed out, because it's finally getting dubstep right lol. but they all have this annoying issue! everything else about the track is beautiful. damn

[crude jetty]

you want an example? I can post both the original and remaster of one of mine, you can head it disctinctly

[worn flicker]

Are these all on remasters or new gens?

[crude jetty]

both

[jade mist]

Guys, don't complain about a beta. I mean have you ever used apple's beta software?

[chrome scarab]

add to that instruments morphing into other instruments. Timbres do not remain consistent

[crude jetty]

I complain about betas all the time, and betas get fixed that way

[humble pawn]

... this is the channel to talk about technical issues... we aren't complaining, we are reporting

[radiant breach]

The problem is is that there was a testing period. And they released it broken.

[worn flicker]

Just from being in here while testing was happening, I can say that it is known that remaster is not perfect

[knotty skiff]

but that sounds fun and trippy

It's a FEATURE not a BUG

[humble pawn]

nah, this is still test period

[worn flicker]

It strait up said that, paid users get to Test.

[radiant breach]

It was a known issue before it was released to subscribers.

[knotty skiff]

yea pre much

[chrome scarab]

Nevertheless, still keeping up the optimism and waiting

[worn flicker]

Yes, you know how you stress test the beta? They were in Alpha before

[knotty skiff]

that sounds more cynical than optimist

[humble pawn]

better not have been.

this is a huge issue tbh, a constantly appearing noise in many generations? makes every gen a waste of time

[radiant breach]

Okay it's like a video game has an alpha. Imagine if your gun makes an extra sound each bullet, and it's distinct and annoying and people report it.

But then the video game company releases the open beta on Xbox and the bug is still there.

Does that feel right or am I just too high for this chat?

[humble pawn]

(and my money)

[tough igloo]

its a beta because its unfinished i dont see how hard that is to understand

[radiant breach]

I understand that ffs

[knotty skiff]

then for any generations that have issues use the report button and state the issue and someone or something will look in to it to fix it

[lunar anvil]

I hear high hats far in the background that could be the ticking sound.

[worn flicker]

Alpha is for the non polished program just to test mechanics. Beta is when you let more people test a more polished product. Then you get to gold/pre-release, then release

[civic mauve]

Why is there a captcha appearing when I'm trying to create a song? I use Firefox and it won't allow me to do it.
Unbelievable. They release V4 but I can't create with it unless I use a different browser.

[crude jetty]

ctrl + F5 (to refesh the page)

[worn flicker]

Clears the CSS cache

[crude jetty]

that's not what I'm hearing.. but it could be Im using crappy speakers lol

[knotty skiff]

there needs to be pins on this section....
Basic trouble shooting 101
and
a tag to the feedback channel

[worn flicker]

Yea, there are normally mods around, but no telling. I didn't know v4 was getting dropped today

[knotty skiff]

I got a discord bleep and saw that it was dropped and did a few remasters and i've been in the tech channel for like 3 hours now....

[green wigeon]

Note: This bug has been reported: Just tried the new-fangled V4. SWEET! ٩(^ᴗ^)۶ But, problem: I added a word to the song and when I played it back the singers skipped the word. Is there a way to fix this? I'll try deleting my cache.

[worn flicker]

Oh I'm bailing until it calms down back to tech talk lol. I got sucked in immediately so I must not be in the right head space for this at the moment. I'll be back later.

[knotty skiff]

how did you add the word? with replace section?

[main flame]

Anyone else having issues with songs being created in v3.5 instead of v4. V4 is an option and it’s selective. However, the song is created showing 3.5.

[civic mauve]

Thanks, but that doesn't work for me. I'm now unable to create.
FFS, I'm paying to use this. Get rid of the captcha!

[knotty skiff]

Check in here
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[crude jetty]

I get the ios popup on android all the time, I feel ya

[quasi birch]

I am having the same issue!

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[knotty skiff]

have you had the captcha before today?

personally i've never had one

[civic mauve]

Yeah. It's just so frustrating.
I don't want to use another browser, but they're going to force me to do it.

[crude jetty]

1it may just take a few tries to get it that to go away, have a ittle patience with it

[civic mauve]

First time today. I can't complete it or get rid of it.

[lunar anvil]

STEM seperation is never a clean process. If you are a paid user I would suggest download the WAV and then separate with an external tool in a DAW or a free tool (Splitter from BandLab).

[knotty skiff]

I mean... is it Suno related then? maybe run a scan on your malware detector?

[worn flicker]

The way generation works produces a full track not separated. So, that means like karaoke, you won't truly get the vocals out of the instrumental as much as you will be able to get the vocals isolated. The frequency of vocals hit the same frequency of the music too often.

So far on remaster the dehissing done does make it sound a little like a lower pitched flanger wobble

[marsh adder]

I'm confused. They really need to make some documentation. People can't use v3.5 replace section and now (I could before) I can't use v4. The clue may be that the song is over 4 min long.

[knotty skiff]

does it actually stop you from generating that though?

[worn flicker]

I could never modify a 4+ minute song.

[queen abyss]

The cymbals problem in many many tracks, some cymbals/ hi hat are really repeated and fast in bg.. Anyone has this problem ?

https://suno.com/song/18f384cb-bb63-4f92-8c16-7f9316d127cd

[worn flicker]

I am glad we can remaster them. That tells me it acts more like cover.

[crude jetty]

if you took a quick glance, you'd see we're all complaing about it https://suno.com/song/c19b6028-c681-410e-a012-d92bc550d677

[knotty skiff]

yea it's basiaclly cover and persona in one for the whole song

[marsh adder]

I guess I can try to at least see if it actually works. I also thought we can only use it for songs <4min. Even if for >4min I can use v3.5 ... write it down somewhere. This is more and more complex and I really do not envy new users.

[worn flicker]

Yup. Overall not bad at all. I am going to have to learn how to prompt it. I got way too used to 3.5.

[crude jetty]

I can remaster long songs

[worn flicker]

Yup

[crude jetty]

was a statement, not a question

[knotty skiff]

Honestly it sounds fine, but I mean i have tinnitus which doesn't help

[queen abyss]

Oh yep sorry !! Glad to see i'm not the only one

[worn flicker]

Oh they were responding to me not asking either...lol

[green wigeon]

I selected "Edit Song Details" in the lyrics I added the word twice, once to each of the 2 chourses. I can't figure out how to add a word to the lyrics using the replace. Pretty difficult.

[crude jetty]

it's irritating because vocally they're much better, the instrumentation is BAD..

[worn flicker]

The instrumentation does sound like it is overly tight, just off the bat as I hear it. Like there is a lo-fi that is missing to fill the gaps

[crude jetty]

on mine?

[worn flicker]

Oh no, on all

[crude jetty]

ah..

[knotty skiff]

that's adding the lyrics only to the video generation, not the song
Bad news is it's extremely hard to get the AI to drop or add a word and keep the original as it was

[crude jetty]

they're adding things that need not be added

[worn flicker]

Everything I have done so far. It is too quiet in between pulling out the natural reverb.

[crude jetty]

what's even wose is that prsonas don't care what changes are made, it keeps using the original ones. even in v4

[humble pawn]

same. iunno, the bad is outweighing the good for me on this release.

[knotty skiff]

you sounds like all the people in the star citizen reddit and discord

[green wigeon]

Oki-doki. Thank you for clarifying. Honestly, that really helps. Thank you. Much appreciated. It's actually no biggie. Glad to know what the Suno can and can not do.
Again. thank you. ٩( ᐛ )و

[crude jetty]

you listened to the remaster version of crimson threads, right?

[knotty skiff]

yeap totally annoying, I don't use Personas for this reason

[humble pawn]

welcome to the #📚┃suno-school channel?

[crude jetty]

https://suno.com/song/6b7247d9-9530-4d9f-959c-3665cbb7a6ac here's the original for the record, I was not refering to the personas with the things that need not be added

[inland jacinth]

Do we need to create personas again from v4 versions of songs or is it automatically adjusted to v4?

[crude jetty]

they are fingerprints, so the personas are fine across models

[knotty skiff]

which things are being extra here?

[crude jetty]

listen to tthe remaster after the original

[knotty skiff]

lyrics, instruments?

[crude jetty]

instruments

[knotty skiff]

stand by 7 mins

btw nice homage to threads of destiny from japanese lore

[crude jetty]

hm? where?

[knotty skiff]

Ho ho, nvm then

[crude jetty]

LMAO

yea, That's what I tend to call a "demo song" It's so I can listen to the timing that suno will do with it

[knotty skiff]

ok i see what you mean, the cymbals are much more pronounced

[crude jetty]

I have lyrcal work to do with it still

"The darkness lingers, in the dark." < this is 100% going

[knotty skiff]

and btw:
For the Japanese, human relationships are guided by a red thread that the gods tie to the little fingers of those who find each other in life. Legend tells that the people connected by this thread will share in the enacting of an important story that cannot be thwarted by time, place or circumstance.

[crude jetty]

oh, you want to know the theme of this song? Crimson threads would make more sense when you hear the basis

[knotty skiff]

I don't need to know the premise in your particular circumstance, it was just something I picked up

[crude jetty]

yea, the connection was accidental

[severe herald]

hey guys. aren't covers supposed to keep the original melody of the song you are covering? at least that was the case for me until yesterday. But it seems they are broken now and they keep producing random melodies. Which makes no sense cause then I could just reuse my prompt instead of Covering...

[crude jetty]

It's actually a thread of songs about 2 specific characters

[knotty skiff]

but yes the Cymbals are much louder even drowning out other instruments etc, I found that regen can dull it down... not an optimal solution but if you report on the failed ones it may help

[remote copper]

Is there a way to use covers and personas using v3.5 instead of v4? I'm really not liking v4 at the moment.

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383
Check in here, the mods aren't on atm and I haven't experimented on this issue yet

[bleak gust]

You need to first creat a song under 3.5 with a persona. Then you carry that song over to v4 through a cover. Thats what i have been doing.

[remote copper]

But the thing is: I don't want to use v4. It sounds awful, and gets the voices all wrong for the style I tend to use.

[knotty skiff]

I agree they sound a bit more generic than 3.5

[remote copper]

I hope they revert it before it becomes an "I want my money back" situation.

[bleak gust]

Keep it in 3.5v and use a cover

[remote copper]

It won't let me. I've tried and wasted credits on this.

[knotty skiff]

it already has a couple times in the last hour in this channel alone

[remote copper]

It very well may with me

[bleak gust]

In what way? i have 3.5 songs i started with a persona. after i find one i like and fix it up a bit, i carry it over to the cover. Its the only way you can do it.

[knotty skiff]

not what I was talking about

[slender pine]

woops

[wild sphinx]

Guys, am I the only one who noticed that new generations and remasters of old tracks are subject to reverb and distortion?! It’s like this in every track, and an incomprehensible echo that appears periodically

[polar spade]

So, would creating the voice you like in 3.5, make a persona, and then make a 4.0 with that persona work. Worth a try?

[fallen plume]

has anyone noticed they can get two different people in one track now?

Like a duet

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[bleak gust]

i wasnt talking to you. i appologize

[remote copper]

The moment you add a persona it forces v4

[fallen plume]

4.0 and personas are not great at all

[knotty skiff]

it's a solution, results may vary due to it's AI generated however...

[bleak gust]

you can change it back to 3.5

[remote copper]

I did. It didn't work.

[wild sphinx]

The new version 4 cannot use old persons in the form in which they were written in version 3.5. It's very sad because these are different voices.

[solar rose]

Lately I've been having songs (v3.5) that just stop in the middle, as if cut off. Always in the range of 2:50 to 3:20 minutes. Has anyone else noticed this?

[wild sphinx]

yep

[bleak gust]

😮 well then, i tried and it doesnt give me an option. so i guess so far you're stuck with just 3.5v till they allow it.

[polar spade]

I've used musical to get duets and "isicathamya" [African style genre] in 3.5 and get voices singing over each other, but that's more call and response.

[severe herald]

well i guess i'll give up on covers until they are fixed.... RIP Enthusiasm 😦

[fallen plume]

I just did a track and there is a woman in one verse and a man in the next verse

[green wigeon]

Yes, I get a long pause then some background hard-to-understand dude doing a vocal rappish off the lyrics then finally glidding back to the orginal singers. No biggie for me. Plop the song in Filmora and cut that part out. A-batta-bing-batta-boom one complete song with no breaks of gloomy takes.

[polar spade]

Cool. The trick is get it consistently, I guess. Good job.

[knotty skiff]

mixed vocals are rare but they have been possible since v3

[fallen plume]

Hmmm interesting!

[polar spade]

I hear voices, but I think that's just me.

[knotty skiff]

you could try encouraging it through certain prompting

[fallen plume]

You for sure!

[green wigeon]

Just signed up a couple of days ago and a couple of my songs in v3.5 have beautiful duet with a man and women. Totally awesome impressed.

[knotty skiff]

when something you prompt comes together in an incredible and/or surprising way it feels so good

[polar spade]

I'm just after that great beer song. This is my chance.

[fallen plume]

Think I might have to continue making my tacks in 3 and then master it through 4

[foggy shale]

getting some strange results with layered harmonies/choral parts translating in remaster to v4... feels like its overemphasizing vocal clarity and isolating certain parts more than others...

[polar spade]

🎶 I've got friends in looow places 🎶

[ancient vector]

V4 is wild animal suno fix this cover are useles and also persona

[knotty skiff]

I've also had issues where my back up vocals are too varied compared to the main vocals, only noticed this change in V4, V3.5 was fine

[foggy shale]

are you noticing some pitch variability too? It's hitting the melody it seems

[runic cape]

Is there any way i could recover a song that got an error and disappeared?

[polar spade]

Did I hear " .... varied backup vocals...." perfect crowd response for a beer song. I'm getting psyched.

[runic cape]

It generated the whole way but kept loading

[knotty skiff]

absolutely, pitch and sometimes tone is completely off, depends on the gen, noticed it on my remasters

[crude jetty]

They can just fine. I'm using V3.5 personas

[fallen plume]

my personas can't be neglected

[wild sphinx]

for me no one new rework had with original 3.5 persona

[knotty skiff]

all in all it seems that the concept of remasters was genius, implementation however... not so good, hoping it will improve in the future

I won't be using the persona or remaster features for the foreseeable future

[foggy shale]

Lyrics seem to be the biggest improvement in the new model... loving the ReMi

[wild sphinx]

we need to wait more than one year to have a really good quality of a product, as I see))

[knotty skiff]

possible that it's just a V4 issue, I haven't generated an original on V4 yet... been too glued to this channel lol

[humble pawn]

My intial thoughts on V4 prerelease:

The 'shimmer' as the community is calling it, is too much (at least in my usage). It is way too consistent, and if you're any bit of a music producer / audiophile, its very jarring.
I am hoping the fact that it generates at seemingly the same frequency in every instance of it happening, that it will be easy for the team to isolate and fix.
It is currently striking me in about 80-90% of generations. This is specific to my experience, likely due to the styles I am prompting.
As it stands, this makes a lot of my gens a complete waste of credits, persuading me to not use Suno right now.

Which leads me to the next point:

Another issue is removing access to older tools. Persona and Cover now strictly using V4, isn't great. I don't see how it would hurt to keep it functional and still have version be selectable between 3.5 and 4? I would have kept creating, had I been able to go back to my original workflow, but I can't do that either now, at all. This hasn't really been a thing in the past. I mean we can still use v2, even. More tools in a creators kit, is a good thing. Even if they are old tools.

[fallen plume]

I like the vocal quality but not the voices lol

[worn flicker]

Ok, next observation. I get why they tightened everything up to stay away from drift as much as possible.

[fallen plume]

Yeah i got 5k credits i wanna wait

[wild sphinx]

if I use 3.5 personas in version 4, this new tracks are very different, the voices are different

[worn flicker]

You know how Vocals are night and day difference when live and they have Reverb on vs off?

[wild sphinx]

same problem

[fallen plume]

It's just a whole different person for me lol

[worn flicker]

Oh dang

[fallen plume]

I'm just gonna master my old instrumentals instead of play around with the vocals at this point

[knotty skiff]

truly an honest take, thanks for sharing

I perhaps have a different... possibly more wasteful approach than you do so it isn't as disruptive that I can't cover or use persona (which i never liked)
If it turns out that V4 is indeed the more boring and safe but makes more higher quality and consistent songs then i'm happy to go back to the wild west of V3.5

[wild sphinx]

reverb distortion and echo, in all iterations, remasters, new tracks, etc.

[worn flicker]

Ok so it seems like they made these changes to stop or avoid the drift as much as possible. Which means the [Reverb] and [Reverb Heavy] tags are now back able to be used without a tragedy of mess at the end of the song

I believe it is a prompting change we will have to pick up on

I had stopped using Reverb and echo all together

[wild sphinx]

I don't like reverb fuction

[worn flicker]

I didn't in 3.5, but in 4 that is what is missing. Why Vocals are falling flat

[humble pawn]

On the contrary, v4 seems to be working really well in the niche spaces, as I've been noticing with my own creations. I do a lot of weird gens with Suno naturally. So I am very happy with it finally really nailing down the obscure soundscapes I was hoping it would create. However, that being said, they all have this jarring sound artifact (the shimmering), rendering each generation useless.

[knotty skiff]

well they were aiming for consistency... I guess they nailed it... in some way

[humble pawn]

It is also true though that v4 is more tame or 'boring'. Especially with the mainstream sort of genres like Pop or Country.

[fallen plume]

The Shimmering sounds like a new horror film

[wild sphinx]

we need some button to turn off this Shimmer)

[worn flicker]

This shimmer is it the now lower pitched wobble?

[ripe night]

hey, i'm premier and the song i create using v4 are still tagged as v3.5, is it a display issue or something is not working for me ?

[worn flicker]

Like left over cymbal hits

[knotty skiff]

i would argue that it simply should just... not exist?

[worn flicker]

Agreed.

[humble pawn]

I've found with v4, the soundscape is almost always much clearer than the former versions, however, it loses it's atmospheric depth. It feels flatter in a sense. While also feeling wider somehow. It lacks the little details.

[fallen plume]

shimmer i think is the best onomatopoeia for it, because it sounds like a high pitch shimmer

[wild sphinx]

exactly

[halcyon bridge]

when i first heard that shimmering sound i kept thinking there was a phone ringing at work lmao

[knotty skiff]

100% this, it was my first impression of the 10 remasters i listened to

I'm most likely not going to use V4 at all

[open summit]

Right on!

[humble pawn]

its like a consistent echoing metallic delay. you can hear it throughout this track, the biggest example of it being at 1:37
https://suno.com/song/12d2665c-2e47-496f-85b8-56cfa7d0dbba

Not to be confused with the hats, it is not hats. This same echoing sound is showing its face across different tracks. The same note and frequency too.
Seems to hit more often with atmospheric stuff.

[worn flicker]

Remaster is going to work differently but hey all versions are available so we get choices yay!

[wild sphinx]

it look like this sound it dead withnut some details

[foggy shale]

ewwww I hadn't heard that yet.

[coarse token]

is there a way to cover a song that you did not make? I'm trying to cover a song made by a friend but i have pro and he does not and i wanna use v4

[foggy shale]

it sounds like its ready to feedback

[worn flicker]

Yup, that is what I am talking about. That sounds like de-hissed drift.

[humble pawn]

And for some context to readers, I want you all to know. I've been a music producer for almost 13 years. I am using quality listening equipment. My ears are trained... and I am an experienced Suno user. I'm not coming to you with these takes as a noob here. ❤️

[daring lava]

Hey @humble pawn adding some stuff to server, can you check and see if you can see this channel? and will it let you add a message?

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1294418290348921007

[thin flint]

What is Remi? Never heard of it.

[whole moat]

anyone else having trouble changing to 3.5?

[knotty skiff]

my instrumental artifacts sound more like someone left the drum clicks on and they make it into the stem

[whole moat]

I try to change it won't work

[humble pawn]

can see, can't type

[daring lava]

Thanks

[humble pawn]

can also react to the post.

[worn flicker]

Basically the same rules would apply. Create in sections. Make Tempo changes to get AI to check its timing.

[daring lava]

Also thank you to everyone in here helping other members! It's incredibly thoughtful and helpful ❤️

[worn flicker]

So with that same song, see if the same thing happens if you do an extend from when it starts to really pick up. The sound obviously

[low coral]

The same commentary was made in the shift from v3 > v3.5; my take on that is that as the technology evolves, it’s going to evolve towards producing the average / typical sound, which means that it’s going to be easier for someone doing basics to get something basic, but you’ll have to actually craft and create with prompts moreso to get a more unique sound. Which, nothing wrong with both approaches! But does require digging in more to get more out (which imo should be a good thing)

[worn flicker]

I want to see if it is actually drift or a new artifact

[lunar anvil]

I listened on the DROP BMR1 speakers and could not hear any ticking either. I have noticed that V4 does have more nuances. It could be that our different acoustic environments are influencing the sound. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[knotty skiff]

flanger wobble?

[worn flicker]

From what I can tell, it is almost too clean...if that makes sense, it is missing the natural Reverb that happens and any Reverb that would go on due to acoustics. So going forward I'll start using Reverb and echo tags again

[hazy bone]

v4 best vocal only prompting?

Anyone have luck with that?

[crude jetty]

maybe I should grab my phone earbuds, that would tell a bit more lol

[amber falcon]

Is it technically possible for Suno in the future to have the ability to make full songs without drums? Or be able to separate them in stems?

From a drummer's perspective it would be fun to be able to play to songs and add my own drums to them.

[worn flicker]

You can separate the vocals quite in Suno. You can make without drums specifically.

[knotty skiff]

but does the generation listen to your prompt 90% of the time no....

[amber falcon]

Any commands in particular to get that to work?

[shut kiln]

Im gonna try A cappella later and see how clean it is. Lets hope the simmering sound doesn't happen

[low coral]

Yeah, that’s one thing I noticed with my remastering attempts - a lot of the songs I made had some amount of reverb, but if reverb isn’t a style prompt, it seems to just immediately get rid of most/all of it in the remaster and so everything sounds more “present” but also less “produced” (in not-always-the-best way)

[worn flicker]

I don't know yet, I am talking about all versions

[worn flicker]

No a tag

[low coral]

I’m gonna try manually re-tagging all my lyrics when I get home from work and see if it majorly effects the remastering outcome

[foggy shale]

barbershop will get you harmony vocals

[knotty skiff]

I struggle to get it to prompt specific intruments let alone isolate or not have one in particular... but I guess I haven't tried it 1000 times and maybe it was gonna be on the 1001 time (i'm not being sarcastic)

[worn flicker]

I haven't tried yet to be clear, I got very used no to not using Reverb tags all together since 3.5 got messy. I am just saying that will be what I try out going forward. Like in v3

[amber falcon]

Yeah, when it comes to rock music, for example, I've never gotten it to do without drums. Excluding styles doesn't work. But doing brackets [ ] during the song for things like Electronic breaks, breakdowns etc. have had great results... Wonder why it can't separate instruments but can do that stuff...

[worn flicker]

V3 did that better than any other from what I have seen. I don't know about 4 yet

[knotty skiff]

yea the breaks I was able to prompt reliably but not solos like in V3

[knotty skiff]

I hear ya, too much time in the discord and not enough with the tool lol

[worn flicker]

There are definitely differences. From what I can tell I got so used to the wrong sounds that came from 3.5 because my style selections are way off in v4, more like it is closer to what the Explore page shows again.

[hollow hare]

Some instruments needs another keyword for higher reproducibility. E.g.

• For sitar, you want india or Indian present, otherwise it will sound like guitar
• Jingle bells loves Christmas
• Theremin + Halloween
• Violin and... Orchestra I think? Surprisingly hard to get it with Violin alone in the past

Note I did not try any of these combos in v4, it was in 3.5

[worn flicker]

Hey was that us doing sitar stuff in 3.5...lol?

[cobalt sierra]

I am getting SO much fuzz with v4, almost worse than 3.5 😦

[hollow hare]

Yep lol

[warm parrot]

Why can't I cover a v3.5 song straight into v4 anymore? I could earlier today

[spring pond]

guys, add tone scale in suno please, i need this

[neat lake]

Yes agreed, also the vocals seem more expressive and dynamic, however the quality is still very unlike the clip on Twitter for most generations as of now

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately, the shimmering effecg was a known persistent issue, more significant in the loud genres (particularly Metal, EDM/Dance, and Rock) as you can see over at #1308499132356362383

The devs tried to stamp it out but, well... guess they decided better to release as is rather than delay for like a month

[knotty skiff]

thanks for those tips, I had sort of figured out that the styles tied to the validity of the prompts, it just took me a long time...

[cobalt sierra]

I am currently getting fuzz creating lo-fi ! 😄 It's not very loud at all 😄

Hopefully one day it will be a blast from the past

[spring pond]

v4 has a problem with sound panning. vocals are in front and instruments are somewhere in the ass

[hollow hare]

Ah true, rephrased to emphasize it is more noticeable in those genres I listed

[worn flicker]

I do hear that

I try to keep them out my ass but they go that way...lol. I use my headphones to avoid sound assage

[charred merlin]

@daring lava the updated docs/guides/resources category is phenomenally compiled 😄 💪

[daring lava]

Thank you! MikeB did all the real legwork at help.suno 😅 I just pointed to it

[worn flicker]

So, I had a song I was making just before v4 dropped, and this was an immediate tell on the style differences between 3.5 and 4.

Since it is speed rap, it had slowed down immensely when reusing prompts in v4, so that tells me that v4 must be back closer to what is on the explore page.

[glass linden]

everytime I try to create with v4 enabled it produces a v3.5 track - same with remastering even though I click on the remaster with V4 button

[spring pond]

there is a problem in the remaster. If the sound is initially bad, then the remaster will not be very good. The vocals will be better, but half the instruments will simply disappear, and these instruments will end up in the ass

[worn flicker]

Headphones

Jk

Gotta keep em out of there.

[honest agate]

same problem

[worn flicker]

I'm hearing what you are saying as we speak

https://suno.com/song/f8f8ea14-4f9b-4575-85fd-4549b488669a - v3.5
https://suno.com/song/95790d4e-22cb-46e5-8d87-2c1ecaa81d80 - v4

[knotty skiff]

Does anyone here know the difference between the two generations? they seem to be consistently different with vocal and instrumental pan

Has it been stated anywhere how it's quantified? the first generation feels like pro vocal and the second feels pro-original version/instrumentals

Has anyone else had this experience consistantly with V4 remasters?

[worn flicker]

Yes. I notice this

[worn flicker]

However, I have been noticing that of the two generations that one would be the maybe and the other was trash. In 3.5 and v4. Almost like one is to throw out trash

[knotty skiff]

I wish I could relate, all mine have sounds artifacts that were never in the originals or the pan diff is abhorrent

[worn flicker]

I just deleted the ones I posted of v4 remaster. They were awful. Testers did say that remaster did have its issues you can see it in posts above. Maybe Jonathan was talking about it.

[sharp shard]

So, is all of the beta features going to STAY pro and premier? If so, that... sucks.

[knotty skiff]

hmm, I guess it's hold on to your V3.5 and see if you can generate something you can enjoy on V4

[glass linden]

I am getting loads of blank remasters

[spring pond]

welcome to🤝 capitalism buddy

[knotty skiff]

might want to see a doctor about that... sorry i'll show myself out now

[plucky gale]

Not sure if anyone else has this, but in all V4 generations I had there is a background sound, the best I can describe it is like a faint fax machine sound, especially when the song picks up

[worn flicker]

Way too far up there lol

[knotty skiff]

literally everyone, you're not alone

[spring pond]

yeah, i hear that and interference from a telephone call

[plucky gale]

ah ok

[tiny falcon]

V4 is awesome.

[knotty skiff]

I'd recommend people look at https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

Unsure if the devs or mods are replying in there but basically every issue that has come up in here today has been raised in there

[knotty skiff]

it has it's challenges, but the vocal clarity is amazing

[worn flicker]

I do wish there were free remasters...

[knotty skiff]

free things are always nice

[spring pond]

oh f*ck, hi hat sounds awful after remastering

[lunar anvil]

V4 has the same problem as V3.5 of repeating versus. 😦

[knotty skiff]

depends on the generation... if you generate a few times it will change eachtime

not a great solution as it's quite wasteful

[glass linden]

the site is crashing all over the place on Chrome, windows 11 today, "Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information)."

[tiny falcon]

Yeah the vocal is pretty good. I just tested a few songs. The instruments of the gospel songs are pretty good.

[spring pond]

every generation costs 10 credits,, this feature works badly than cover for now

[thin flint]

Wel, here's an example of a bad/poor remaster, including out of tune vocals. https://suno.com/song/4e57a25a-a0ee-47f4-8ffa-8e1e5b5ad12f

[tiny falcon]

Hi @worn flicker, what's up.

[worn flicker]

Remaster probably should not be leading the charge on v4. We need to prompt it. Remaster is doing what it does but that isn't a good test of the model

[knotty skiff]

that intro was warped lol

[worn flicker]

Waszaaa

[knotty skiff]

I think the keyword is monotone

i've had similar experience with remasters

[sharp shard]

So... That's a yes?

[spring pond]

dont know, hope not and it will be for free

[worn flicker]

Man I looked in v4 feedback. People are strait up mean considering they have no clue how to make these things. No wonder things take so long to get released look at the reception. Even when it is said open for testing. People talking about canceling because of a test allowed because they are paid users. Craziness.

[knotty skiff]

yea I agree, we need more time to look at it from an original point of view and not judge V4 based on one new feature that will be fleshed out and improved on in time

[knotty skiff]

If you spend as much time on the road as I do, you get to learn that people don't read even the most obvious signage...

I'm not surprised people are walking in thinking it's a finished product just because it has a premium service

[sharp shard]

Can someone explain this!?

https://suno.com/song/c008365c-82bf-4ade-9b10-0f0aa05820f1

[verbal mortar]

Very happy that I got V4 now...but I'm noticing odd "artifacts" on remasters. there's a weird "ohhh" noise before she sings a line. and some pops that weren't there before.

[worn flicker]

I think it happened back when they decided to start using beta as kickstarters on games. Making people pay for beta was a poor move. Early access is a much better phrase.

[knotty skiff]

It's basically just a self admin crowd funding venture to help pay for development of their tool, which I wholeheartedly support

[spring pond]

Do you think they don't have a testing department? Imagine you work in a department and you hear all this crap and tell your boss “v4 sounds great, we can release it”

[knotty skiff]

yea Suno is basically a self run patreon

[verbal mortar]

I'll gladly pay to test this and help improve it. We are still in the crawling stages with Suno. the future is looking good though.

[tiny falcon]

Yeah I saw a post mentioned the voices are different. How many voices are their in suno anyway? They all sound pretty much the same voice to me, even V3.5. But V4 has new voice

[dapper plinth]

someone is using api of suno ?

[worn flicker]

No API

[hollow hare]

If you want to get banned, sure. Suno has no official API. Services claiming so are actually breaking the law in USA by essentially hijacking Suno's Service

[honest agate]

i have V4 selected but when i create new tracks it only creates v3.5 , i tried from the mobile app there it works V4. Also when i remaster it remains a v3.5 anyone any idea?

[worn flicker]

Yea, Suno staff just needs to bring the right things to the front. That is the main issue. Remaster shouldn't be what is being advertised. It should be create with v4. That is the way to avoid all the insanity that comes with recreating tracks that people have listened to 100 times. Any difference will be heard. Instead, no remaster until later and let people prompt and play.

[verbal mortar]

I've counted 4 different female voices so far. 2 male (death metal only)

[lunar anvil]

Anybody else notice the V4 songs slam all the way to the 4 minute mark without finishing the lyrics?

[worn flicker]

I remastered beyond 4 minutes, I was surprised.

[verbal mortar]

Remaster sorta works. it sounds like its a remastering LOL. I can hear more and her voice for the songs i've chosen is close to what it was, just cleaner. So far I'm impressed.

That said, there are issues but again man, this is brand new. watch how this thing shapes up in 6 months.

You're gonna be able to remaster the original length so if you put a song together and its 6min let's say, its gonna remaster 6 min

at least, it has for me

[worn flicker]

Agreed. It is taking the original and tweaking, but like Star Wars, you will have people so used to the original that nothing will match up.

[tiny falcon]

Cool. I am testing out Gospel genres. I wonder if I can prompt it to sing with black female vocal. Doesn't seem to work 🙂

[lunar anvil]

Every new song that is not a remaster is 4 minutes but it never finishes the song. The prompt for this song is 2647 characters. I will play with it and see...

[worn flicker]

I doubt race will work instead of style

[tiny falcon]

Hopefull it get better soon. Still new.

[knotty skiff]

are you using an outro verse?

[tiny falcon]

Ah. I guess, instead of race, put the style that the race sing maybe.

[lunar anvil]

Yes.

[knotty skiff]

some people also just put END

[worn flicker]

Jazz, R&B, stuff that would be trained...lol. I doubt they put black in there.

[knotty skiff]

in square brackets of course

[worn flicker]

[End]

Yup

[Instrumental Finish] [Fade-out] [End]

[knotty skiff]

I personally use [Outro] and it works maybe 70% of the time

[lunar anvil]

That is there too. I am using a previous song and seeing what V4 can do with the same prompt from V3.5. Remaster gave poor results so I thought I would see how V4 would interpret the lyrical prompt.

[worn flicker]

Oh yea that goes at the top of the section

[Outro]
.....
[End]

[knotty skiff]

I've never put END lol

[lunar anvil]

[Outro]
...
[Fade out to Silence][End]

[worn flicker]

You don't have to

[tiny falcon]

Sometime [outro] alone doesn't work. I use
[outro]
[fade out]
[end]

[worn flicker]

It is all about inference

If it doesn't want to stop then start throwing down tags...lol

Same with vocal gender

[tiny falcon]

I think also depend on the genres too?

[knotty skiff]

yea I use male or female vocal in tags

[lunar anvil]

Personas are weird. They are all shorter generations on V4 than on V3.5.

[tiny falcon]

or punching the monitor, throw your phone at the wall 🙂

[worn flicker]

Definitely, it will always be trained on these things so whatever is the most popular will come to the front

[worn flicker]

That is a good way to get rid of a problem and make a new one...like stop smoking and start dipping

[knotty skiff]

Here's a strange bunch of tags that ended up with something interesting
(i've been pretty prudish with tags until recently)

https://suno.com/song/ff696379-9f17-4073-810e-beb84c0270e1

[tiny falcon]

Does personas suppose to sound different or the same. Most of my personas sound exactly the same as the original song.

[worn flicker]

Each model will be different just like in Stable Diffusion. The training is different

[knotty skiff]

I've found this also, it's why I don't like to use them anymore

[verbal mortar]

That I can't figure out either. when you get lucky and find something you like. make a persona

[worn flicker]

Persona has made awesome stuff and a lot of not awesome stuff

[tiny falcon]

Yeah same here.

[lunar anvil]

I would say supposed to sound the same(ish). I have one generation that has the persona changing gender or maybe it is more like a unison harmonic type. I can hear the persona being overlapped by the different voice. Very weird.

[tiny falcon]

Yeah. I stop using them too.

[worn flicker]

With persona it has a copy of the original song under the new one, influencing the new, so if you have lyrics that are too close to the original then it will poke through.

Sometimes it will just poke through all together

[verbal mortar]

i've had it bleed thru on a number of songs

[worn flicker]

When you change the style from the persona that tends to make crazy stuff happen

[knotty skiff]

[Queue bleed it out]

[olive zenith]

Do someone have the problem that suno using v3.5 even when I choose v4 ? It's was working before and now even when I click on remaster it's using v3.5

[worn flicker]

Lots of screw tapes could be made from style shifted persona

[worn flicker]

I am not sure, but since v4 is the only remaster then it has to be using v4 to do it.

[olive zenith]

It's always show me v3.5

[worn flicker]

If you started a song with 3.5 and tried to extend with v4 then it would pop back

[olive zenith]

Even on my v4 generated music

[worn flicker]

Yea, what I mean is that there is no 3.5 remaster

[gray lance]

At some reason I get a constant error

[worn flicker]

So it would be a bug

Report it

[knotty skiff]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1082775596767117312
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1258072243963957288
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

[thin flint]

Can we not remaster V2 songs? The remaster option doesn't appear in the create menu for V2 songs.

[knotty skiff]

then there's the answer... sadly

[radiant kernel]

I have the opposite issue, I want to use v3.5, but it forces v4

[knotty skiff]

Remaster is only to V4 quality

[wild pike]

howdy yall anyone else have a heck of a time getting your personnas to sing? i keep getting an error message that they dropped the track.

[lunar anvil]

I had this problem last week where I wanted v3, but it forced v3.5. Ended up being a lyric prompt issue where the prompt was over the v3 limit.

[radiant kernel]

I mean when creating a new song, I select v3.5 model, but the song comes out with v4 badge

[knotty skiff]

darn son... you writing a novella?

[lunar anvil]

Sometimes my lyrics reach near the limit. I usually have to split or the AI sings super fast. At least it did on v3.5... v4 seems to have the opposite problem.

[crude jetty]

try makign a v4 song before using a persona

[knotty skiff]

and are they normally 6+ mins each or are they quickly vocalised?

[wild pike]

it fails on v4 too

[glass linden]

I am getting loads of errors and repeated requests for captchas

[olive zenith]

It's look like the model we choose on the dropdown don't work, it's use some mysterious value

[lunar anvil]

On v3.5 they were quickly vocalized. So, I would split-generate the verses to slow down the vocals and the overall tempo.

[knotty skiff]

Someone else did mention the captcha thing earlier, I wasn't convinced that it was possibly Suno related as I've never had to do one for Suno
But if you are also it might be a thing

[radiant kernel]

Looks like it happens only when using a persona

[knotty skiff]

maybe a deleted/trashed persona?

[knotty skiff]

good luck getting quick vocals outta V4 lol

[prime anvil]

Guys, just a quick question, did they changed how edit/replace works? before using it wasn't taking any credit, now it takes 15 each try

[lunar anvil]

Thanks. 😉

[radiant kernel]

I tried another one, and it still uses v4

[narrow coral]

this captcha is killing me

error for no reason

[olive zenith]

I'm not using persona

[knotty skiff]

Restrat PC or mobile device, clear cache, close app/browser properly, log-out/log-in and try again

[hollow hare]

The free replace wasn't suppose to last as long as it did, should have ended mid-October (see the bottom of #📢┃announcements message)

The amount being taken doesn't sound right and may be due to a visual bug (one that appears now and then). Reloading the webpage should show your correct total balance

Oops, forgot I replied to you in another tab

[pure sorrel]

Anyone else noticing with v4 that with any rock-type songs there seems to be this warbling low metal sound? Sounds like a tremolo clicking

[prime anvil]

i'll continue here, guess it's more correct as section

[lunar anvil]

Suno uses Cloudflare and it will show a CAPTCHA to users when it detects suspicious user behavior for a user's IP address or rapid requests which will trigger a CAPTCHA. Are you using a proxy or VPN, connecting via a public network (ie shared Wi-FI at a school, business, or school) or browser extensions?

[prime anvil]

closed the browser after logging out, relogged, 9760 credits, recreate section 1 try , yeah now seems ok, 10 credits ( @hollow hare , 10 credits is right?)

[lunar anvil]

@knotty skiff just created a v3.5 song and it finished the song under 4 minutes at 3:42. Selecting the version was the only change. I wonder if the style of music is what is tripping up v4 on the tempo being so slow. 🤔

[humble pawn]

anyone else have an issue where generated clips wont play until they are fully generated?

[glass linden]

yes me too

[lunar anvil]

I would suggest not to play until they are generated. Sometimes you will get artifacts or the song will just vanish in error if playing during generation process.

[humble pawn]

always been able to before v4. could be an issue with heavy server usage. ❤️

[worn flicker]

Now I have to do v4 generations just to see if this new sound everyone is talking about is still just the drift with a low-pass filter over it

[humble pawn]

was curious if it was just a me thing

[glass linden]

I am getting the same suddenly, no VPN - I am getting site crashes all over the place too -

[lunar anvil]

I have had this problem since May. After losing a few songs I just wait now.

[lament cove]

Hmm am i wrong or i've read 1 free remaster available on the new banner on the right?
I've just subscribed and tried 4 remaster and i got 20 credits removed 😅

[humble pawn]

if the site is malfunctioning, just wait, come back in a few minutes after a refresh. v4 has been awaited for over half a year, the server is being bombarded with usage

[worn flicker]

That happened to me once. I noticed that before it happened the sight kept trying to load over and over. It eventually gave me that check.

[humble pawn]

the free remaster is for free users.

[lament cove]

ok

[olive zenith]

Best advice here, just wait until tomorrow

[humble pawn]

well thats just madness

my suno addiction D:

[south gorge]

Why is there an audio watermark in every song that adjusts w/ the pitch?

[manic tiger]

The laser beam sound?

[south gorge]

Yea.

[manic tiger]

i hate it

[south gorge]

That's def a watermark. It's also a subtle brainwashing technique the CIA does

[narrow coral]

thanks for explaining I was trying to generate like any other days and throws error no vpn set

[manic tiger]

Yeah totally. It's all i can hear atm tbh. Overall 4.0 seems very nice soundwise but that laser beam trademark sound is driving me crazy.

[south gorge]

i grew up with those 90s laser toys from the faire the only reason that sticks out so much tbh

[manic tiger]

Its also the same sounds italian regional trains make. Trust me.

[lunar anvil]

If you are on your home Internet try restarting your router. See if it pulls a different IP from your ISP. Also, you could check your public IP on MXToolbox to see if it is blacklisted anywhere. If using mobile device switch to Airplane mode wait a few seconds then back.

[lunar anvil]

Do you have an example of the laser beam sound?

[knotty skiff]

What's the style?

[south gorge]

https://suno.com/song/1520506b-eef3-4524-9b1e-8025a93b8e01

very noticable there.

[lunar anvil]

Neoclassical Trance, Glitch, Stutter, Modulation Variation, Hypnotic Loops, Tuned Vocals

[manic tiger]

once you hear it you will never unhear it, be prepared.

[worn flicker]

Without it being a remaster

[knotty skiff]

would it work with or without more or less tags?

[stoic ingot]

Any dev team awake at the moment? XD

[verbal mortar]

Anyone use a persona they already had with V4? and what were the results.

[knotty skiff]

like being more or less specific

[knotty skiff]

from what the dev notes state it upgrades to V4 as a whole

[lunar anvil]

These are the same tags I used in v3.5 without issue.

[manic tiger]

https://suno.com/song/89c724e2-e1b3-4788-b731-8829d2146fd6 this is in italian so maybe it's easier for you to focus just on the music, from around 30 seconds, the instrumental part.

[south gorge]

https://suno.com/song/c1e24bf9-7940-4044-a0a1-9a0bebe9f91a

Here, just for you

[worn flicker]

If it is a remaster then the sound you hear is a filter being put on old high end drift.

[knotty skiff]

so your theory of it being something about V4 would be correct in a way, but it might still work if you're more or less specific

[worn flicker]

Yep, I hear it. Same deal. It is something that will need to work its way out. I am not used to hearing it off the bat, but your song started loud off the bat so it makes sense

[south gorge]

I have done more beep boop sounds than I want to admit -- and have 20 years of sound and visual art programming. That is a watermark -- it's too constant and doesn't fit.

[worn flicker]

Not a watermark. I know what you are talking about, I do not have the same years in professional level sound and visual, but I have just as much in the field in general.

[worn flicker]

This is different

[manic tiger]

if not a watermark than what?

[south gorge]

It adjusts with BPM, and Pitch... is watermark

any genre -- same sound, any lyrics... same sound.

You can probably find the frequency if you wanted lol

[manic tiger]

yeah i confirm that, remastered like 40 songs and is always the same sound

[worn flicker]

I'm not going to argue with you, I can simply say You are trying to apply analog stuff to digital stuff. In audio AI generation there is a possibility to get left overs from the encoding process. The track is created all in one. Since you know about encoding then you know what I mean when I say quality vs speed.

[south gorge]

Oh, you could be right but the consistency is what makes me not think that.

[thin flint]

How do I use the crop song feature? I'm thinking I can't remaster this V2 song because it's 2 seconds over four minutes.

[worn flicker]

I can tell you that it isn't a watermark but I can't tell you what exactly it is.

[thin flint]

I see the select edit boxes, but when I type the time I want to keep it doesn't let me. How do I type the values?

[worn flicker]

There are watermarks out there but it is obvious

[south gorge]

Could be is enough imo. Copywrite tools are sensitive for a reason.

[manic tiger]

Well fact is i feel like the dude in A Clockwork Orange. It's giving me allucinations.

[worn flicker]

They make theirs obvious, it says use suno and things like that

[worn flicker]

It happened when sites were using suno and making money off unauthorized use. So they have watermarks and they are not subtle

[lunar anvil]

It sounds like a typical synth effect found in electronic music generated from a recreation of a FM synthesis, a subtractive synthesis like a sawtooth or square wave that has a low-pass filter with high resonance and then pitch envelope applied to give those zaps.

The style of music tags often includes laser-like zaps so the AI may just be trying to add them based on its training samples.

[manic tiger]

I have it for every genre, even metal or jazz

[south gorge]

mmm no... not actually. "General Commerical Use" implies no watermarks.

[lunar anvil]

I have generated some by moving the tags around. I noticed at least in v3.5 that if you move the order the AI weights the tags based on position. Let me see if v4 has that same quirk.

[worn flicker]

I'm talking about Suno and their watermarks. They are not a subtle noise they are in your face.

[icy lava]

Hi, I have the same phenomenon. It appears when the music increases in intensity. I have it more or less on several styles of music, it's sometimes subtle, sometimes more pronounced. But actually, I've heard other redundant artifacts on the V3s. Less remarkable but present practically everywhere. I don't think these are watermarks but rather "artifacts" specific to Suno.

[knotty skiff]

I noticed that about V3.5 also

[south gorge]

It's not about the noise itself, it's that it's there at all. I pay up for a year, all of a sudden I get those watermarks -- that are audible?

[lunar anvil]

@manic tiger try something like the following to see if you still get the zaps.

ambient minimal analog warm mellow ethereal melodic chillwave downtempo retro-futuristic smooth textures dreamy layers

lush pads soft tones organic synth flowing soundscapes vintage-inspired progressive relaxing melodic harmonic spacey

[manic tiger]

i will try tomorrow thanks for the tips. I'm out for now. See ya.

[worn flicker]

The noise was also in 3.5, it just didn't have a lowpass filter. I can only explain so far, if you want to call it a watermark that is fine boss. Talk to support. I am only trying to save you time.

[lunar anvil]

Try this GPT as it will help you identify different tags and you can even ask it to deconstruct songs to give you tags to mimic the sound. https://app.aiprm.com/gpts/g-utsMc0LBR/essence-explorer

[south gorge]

It's just how consistent it is -- we'll see whether it goes away. You could be right, I could be right. is what it is. 🙂 still a good tool either way.

[charred merlin]

"watermark" implies it's added intentionally

[worn flicker]

I can tell you how to counteract it if we get away from the whole watermark thing...lol. watermark isn't something that we can do anything about

I can't tell you how to fix it completely, but to minimize it.

[south gorge]

Oh, I figured it out already. Something something negatives.

[south gorge]

but how do you know? that's like trusting telemetry 100%

[hollow hare]

There were inaudible watermarks in Suno works for a while

Like at least half a year ago, most likely longer, if not even at the beginning

[charred merlin]

Not quite sure what you're asking -- how do I know that the shimmering / audio artefacts aren't intentional?

[south gorge]

Which is fair; and they could still be present with the current model. Precedence issue type of thing.

[south gorge]

That it was intentional or not.

[worn flicker]

I know you know Audio and video, but AI generation doesn't work the same way

[south gorge]

Um... AI->Programatic Overlay->User.

[charred merlin]

Occam's Razor, to begin with -- less likely that there's a conspiracy to make songs sound worse.

More relevantly, I was part of alpha testing to try to isolate that sound 🤷‍♂️

[surreal fern]

Hello, i am using suno premium and have a problem with the model V4, if i want to replace a section of a song, i am unabel to change the modeln. the song was gernerated in version 3.5 please help

[loud copper]

seems to be something limiting the length of song to 3:14 for me. Every generation ive made, even back in 3.5 was stuck at 3:14

[worn flicker]

Ok, so then you should understand. You said Audio, video, if you know AI then you know that Audio that is audible is nothing like generated Audio. Frequencies have to be controlled rather than Filtered during generation.

[unique stone]

And the fact the devs were even asking testers for specific examples of the sound (which is why testers were trying to isolate it)

[south gorge]

Call it my cynical nature. My first thought is watermark just because in my mind it's easy to do, and easier to mess up -- and even easier to openly use ai to make ai that messes up said ai.

[south gorge]

If only -- debugging is primarily my day-to-day.

[charred merlin]

When you debug, do you think the bugs were intentionally put there by the developers? 😉

[south gorge]

This isn't a developer, it's a business. So can you reword the question.

[charred merlin]

Nah, I'll just excuse myself from this matter -- today's been wild.

[hollow hare]

Do you think Suno would do this intentionally when Udio, one of their competitors, is actively developing a major release as well?

[worn flicker]

Selling a product with a watermark would decrease profits then...lol

[south gorge]

Good talk. 🙂

[verbal mortar]

I just got a crazy message when I refreshed. asking me to confirm that i'm using original lyrics to make music???

[olive zenith]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308503194938118164

[worn flicker]

I think, I got that once. It was after the captcha thing happened

[daring lava]

It’s a safety protocol to make sure that members are aware of the importance of using non-copyrighted lyrics. Happens to everyone

[verbal mortar]

This suno's way of covering its ass?

[worn flicker]

I'm sure it is

[verbal mortar]

never saw that before I guess they pushed it to everyone once v4 came out.

[hollow hare]

It is also the same message you had gotten when you first did Custom Mode. It appears now and the as a reminder (or cookie expirey?)

[worn flicker]

Maybe. I see it as a EULA ish thing

[verbal mortar]

kk I was like "uhhh yeah,. I write all the lyrics."

[lunar anvil]

I really wish there was markers when in Create mode. It is hard to identify where the AI is at in the prompt.

[south gorge]

Look into EXIM frequency then do a little abstract thinking.

[unique stone]

No the devs were specifically asking for this. I'm not guessing at this, this is what happened. And there was follow-up discussion regarding the issue. If it were intentional, they would say (like the time they did add an inaudible watermark and announced that.)

[worn flicker]

Sorry boss, I gave a quick response when I should have left it to the higher roles.

[daring lava]

That’s a great idea, if you want to, please feel free to share this in #💡┃suggestions-web. the team checks that regularly looking for ways to improve

[south gorge]

Right -- which is a reasonable thing to assume. Again -- I'm a little cynical when it comes to constants.

[open crest]

My premium account stops generating anything, cover feature not working properly, extend not working. I need Help!

[surreal fern]

i can not deactivate model V4

[verbal mortar]

know what's crazy, I can't switch back to v.35

[open crest]

I can't even generate V4

[surreal fern]

for persona and the song text selection, the model v4 is always active

[verbal mortar]

that may be the issue

[open crest]

does anyone have similar issues like me? I need help

[olive zenith]

Yes https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308503194938118164

[surreal fern]

i am using mozilla fire fox and i can use V4

[olive zenith]

with both chrome / firefox I can't use it

But it's was working before, i have 8 song generated with v4

[surreal fern]

ok its crazy

[olive zenith]

It's a serverside problem, nothing with the browser

[open crest]

@olive zenith It's not only V4, everything is not working, i keep recieving Credits Refunded1

[olive zenith]

For me 3.5 work

[open crest]

I created a new account, everything works perfectly, but i want my old library

[olive zenith]

Just wait a few hours, they will fix that

Hopfully someone read that lol

[surreal fern]

i have about 20-30 section and 10 songs generated with v4

[open crest]

I doubt it, it didn't work weeks before v4 was launched

I contacted support team on email they didn't respond

[rustic gale]

Yeah/ that strange bugged Background Ticking 😦
https://suno.com/song/b6884081-8856-4c48-95a5-72bc2e3b8ec5

Song still cool though XD

[split escarp]

Can I get 5 free credits? I'm down to 5 but it won't let me make any persona songs without 10 in the bank, even though I have free persona songs stored up still.

[charred merlin]

I think it comes up the VERY first time you use custom mode, and never again unless you use a new device or the cache resets or something

[verbal mortar]

yeah so far so good.

[cold zenith]

Do you have a trick to end music in V4 ? i don't want to waste to much credit on that

[verbal mortar]

end music?

[rustic gale]

[end] Always works for me

[verbal mortar]

[fade out]

[cold zenith]

it keeps going give me 2min instrumental and lyrics that are not there

[olive zenith]

I think i have enough credit

[lunar anvil]

Interesting, I just figured out why the AI sometimes vocalizes random numbers. I think it is the token IDs in the prompt. Makes total sense now.

[fresh oxide]

Hello. Can I run one of the songs I did thru V4 to clean it up?

[crude jetty]

you cn make a song if you have a subscrioption, it subtracts 5 from your daily

[fresh oxide]

And is there way to download the vocals only so we can have stems?

[crude jetty]

are you on a subscription?

[fresh oxide]

Not yet, I just started using this.

[crude jetty]

you can pull stems as a subscriber, but not as a free user

[fresh oxide]

Awesome! What about running an older song I did thru V4 to clean it up?

[raw moss]

you mean that sound in the background of the music that sounds like an old phone ringing? or text coming in?

[crude jetty]

again, subs for v4 as well right now

but there's plentty of issues with v4 right now

[fresh oxide]

I understand. But can I run a v3 song thru v4 to clean it up without making any changes to the song?

[crude jetty]

remaster turns a v3.5 song into a v4 song

[fresh oxide]

Wow, the 2nd one if so much cleaner!

[crude jetty]

except the major tickign inside it

[fresh oxide]

OMG!

[fresh oxide]

Yeah, that's weird. But the vocals are 100% better.

[crude jetty]

oh I agree, but the intrumentals are bad

[fresh oxide]

Yes

Needs work

I'm sure they'll fix it soon.

[crude jetty]

I think most of that should be fixed for the public release (hopefully)

[fresh oxide]

When's that? I do notice weird pops out of nowhere in v3

[crude jetty]

I have no idea, I'm not a staff member, just a user

[fresh oxide]

Oh ok. In v4, will we be able to customize pitch correction to ensure it sounds natural and avoids robotic or autotuned effects?

A slider would be ideal to make it simple for all to use.

[crude jetty]

nope, nothing is different for us than in any other model

[fresh oxide]

We need a way to customize the autotune because it will go nuts sometimes.

[spiral bane]

anyone notice the vocals are too far forawrd and the instrumentation is too far back in v4?

forward

[fresh oxide]

I upload the songs I sing for pitch correction, harmonization and EQ. It's become my audio engineer.

PLus the music we can add is insane!

[karmic pewter]

v4 covers seem broken to me, doesn't produce covers using the original melody

[pure sorrel]

This laser beam warble sound is insufferable for v4. So strange.

[fresh oxide]

Vocals are much cleaner but the timing is fked.

[spiral bane]

yea but in the mix the instrumentation is buried so far back

[surreal fern]

we can only wait for it to be fixed

[spiral bane]

that its like two songs, or a kareok

or w/e or the mixing engineer was drunk or something 😕

[rustic gale]

Yeah