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[charred merlin]

@cerulean merlin you need to be patient -- wait a couple minutes. The internet is tired and needs time to breathe.

[worn flicker]

I 100% agree that you pay for a service you should be able to use the service. That said, this doesn't last long at all

[cerulean merlin]

yeah no it stated happing 20 min ago

im not waiting

[worn flicker]

It rarely lasts 20 minutes

[cerulean merlin]

and it hapend agian a few hours ago

[charred merlin]

@cerulean merlin Please understand NOBODY is able to "fix this" in the way you want. Improvements are ongoing. It's not a switch that can be flipped. 🙏

[cerulean merlin]

its been happending lots of times for the last few days

[worn flicker]

Ok. This was happening before Timbaland endorsed Suno. After that it got smashed and worse. They have to have the time to update upgrade and everything else. Gotta have the funds to pay for everything.

It normally only lasts for a few minutes

[naive quail]

...to everyone. You're preaching to the choir. We've all been affected by the outages.

[worn flicker]

It is the database getting over loaded

If I was Timbaland, I would be donating some funds to upgrade the cloud service...lol

I hate that I am still finishing my Bachelors, not saying they would hire me, but I guarantee you the first thing I would be looking at is what to do about the current database. What it is using which type of database and the amount of incoming connections and a dedicated DNS. Suno isn't going to get smaller if they keep innovating. If they were a public company I'd buy stock

Make bank baby!

What I can say is that the database is only partial. Since whatever happened yesterday only came from the EU direction that is something totally different and yet it acted the same. Couldn't connect. That I blame on the reauthorization being looked at too often. That basically creates its own DoS attack.

[cerulean merlin]

one of the teams are helping now and they said they will send it over to the devs

im dm

[charred merlin]

You're a saint, Mike. 🙏
(second guess being DAViD🤔)

[worn flicker]

I'm glad you got an answer. Sounds like they are more personal than I thought. Go Suno for caring about your users!

Then that happens...haha

Hey app you don't say anything when people are actually using profanity...lol

[cerulean merlin]

lol your right at first it was mike 🤫 but its up now for me thanks everyone for helping and thanks to you mainly u been helping me the most for the last few days i really appreciate it

[worn flicker]

Mike and David are awesome

I wonder if they sleep

[cerulean merlin]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[true sonnet]

i was trying to ask how to prevent it from cutting a second off the end of songs randomly.

i cropped something and it was perfect for the first 5 listens and then now when i go back to it its missing the last note and sounds bad

[worn flicker]

You can't prevent it but you can prompt it to be more consistent

[true sonnet]

and the original isn't in my trash so i can't go back and fix it

[cerulean merlin]

oh sorry guys i gotta go 😦

and thanks

[worn flicker]

Wait so you heard the whole song and then it cut off after?

[cerulean merlin]

https://suno.com/@chatterwolfsunosongs 😉 🤫

[true sonnet]

yes.

[worn flicker]

Can you share it, without the embed

[true sonnet]

listened to it multiple times on repeat before i went to publish

idk how to make it not embed

[worn flicker]

<link>

< around it >

[true sonnet]

https://suno.com/song/6da4e377-d512-4af6-acaa-e295bdab95aa

[olive hornet]

how in the hell do I write a instruction for say (heavy synth, and bass) and it not sing the line guys please.. its doing my head in..lol

[charred merlin]

(parentheses) are for backing vocals
[metatags] are for localized style prompts

[olive hornet]

AH... you legend.. thank you..hahah

[worn flicker]

I see it is extended. You sure this is the version that you were listening to?

[true sonnet]

i mostly want to know why stuff isnt appearing in my trash any more too. i could just redo the crop but for some reason suddenly now is when stuff doesn't go to trash

[true sonnet]

yes, every other version should be in my trash rn lol

[worn flicker]

True

It definitely should be in trash unless the generation failed

[true sonnet]

ill just do replace section on the end and hopefully get something similar

[worn flicker]

It is strange for the Audio to actually change just on the way it gets generated. If you heard it once on the full song then it exists. The entire track was generated...it is very odd to hear a cut track after simply leaving your page and coming back

[charred merlin]

Thank you for your patience 🫂 I know I come across as grumpy sometimes -- I didn't mean to sound grumpy or to make you feel like I wasn't hearing YOUR story when me & my buddy SixStringToker said "oh yeah, that happens to everyone"

I think of it like Suno is a second-hand car that we're all sharing -- so we're just letting you know "sometimes you need to kick it really hard to get it to start, and be careful that the steering wheel doesn't get stuck after too sharp of a right turn. Also, it'll stall if you come to a complete halt, so try to run as many red lights as you safely can." 😂

I'm glad that you're here with us, and I know that soon enough you'll be the community-expert letting new Suno-users what kind of quirks to expect when they try to find the same sucesses that you have 😄 ❤️

[ocean otter]

Persona is using Lyrics prompt from its creation, not the actual one and creating almost the same song over and over again!

[worn flicker]

So are we having analogy contests now? Because I got some Leslie Neilson ones that are just awesome, offensive, but awesome...lol

[worn flicker]

This happens often. When you use a persona it is like taking the original song and using it to influence the current song. Because of that and being in beta, it can poke through sometimes.

[worn flicker]

If the lyrics are recognized by the original then it will probably poke through

[polar spade]

Leslie, Neilsson, are you being Frank with us ?

[zenith oasis]

Is there way to simply use extend to replay on instrument on another without keeping the original audio ?

[charred merlin]

If I understand, like using "Get Whole Song" but only getting the extensions without the original clip that's being extended from?

[cinder sparrow]

I'm getting the same and for some reason I can't generate a song beyond 3:15 seconds and no matter how short the song is, it keeps cutting off. I've been trying to use the extension function to fix it but it's just not flowing correctly, it's very frustrating

[charred merlin]

Are you using personas?

[cinder sparrow]

Another thing with the extension feature is that I'll but it as instrumental but it'll just randomly generate words still

[worn flicker]

Lol....I like my sex like I like my basketball, one on one with as little dribbling as possible.

[cinder sparrow]

Yes I am

Is it a bug with the personas?

[charred merlin]

Not a bug, a feature -- lemme explain 🙂

When you make a persona from a song, it takes a chunk of it and tucks it aside so that when you make a new song using that persona, it listens to that chunk first to "remember" what it's supposed to sound like. Because v3.5 has a 4m limit, it seems like your persona is using a 45s clip to remember waht to sound like

[cinder sparrow]

Oh

How can I fix it?

[charred merlin]

Because of this, you're only left with 3m15s for the remaining song -- a way around this would be to crop out the BEST sounding part of your song & create a persona based on that, like an exceptionally powerful vocal section, or something demonstrating a duet, or a song with really good instrumental tones -- whatever you're trying to capture 🙂

If you only give Suno a 20s clip to work with, that's the longest the persona can feasibly use as context, plus this way you ENSURE that it only uses the part that you wanted, instead of capturing sections that didn't reflect why you fell in love with the song in the first place

[polar spade]

roger, Roger.

[cinder sparrow]

Thank you! I'll give it a try

[zenith oasis]

Yes sir remove the original clip since it's my low quality sketches on acoustic and it's ruining everything

[charred merlin]

I used to think personas were garbage until I realized I wasn't making creative use of them -- I wish you the same successes I've found with it 😄

(btw. I don't know if that's your actual cat, but seeing a kitten in a witches hat is exactly what I didn't know I needed this morning, so thank you)

[worn flicker]

And stop calling me Shirley

[charred merlin]

If it's just a matter of getting the song without the original, you could "Get Whole Song" and crop out the original, but bear in mind that Extension uses the existing audio to continue from -- if there's something about the audio you don't like, you'd need to make changes somehow before using Extend -- potentially you could Cover it to "reroll" the song, but that's a less controllable method, even if you use the same style prompts.

[zenith oasis]

It's just really low quality iPhone recordings I like to sketch melodies and chords and then extend from there

[cinder sparrow]

I think I wasn't using it right. I'll try your advice from the other thread and see if it works. Thanks for the help!

And it is not my cat but I use it every year around Halloween. It's my favorite cat picture on the internet lol

[charred merlin]

Not that you were using it incorrectly, but maybe hadn't found ways to use it to it's full potential! 🙂

If it means anything, if I ever see that picture again, I'm going to think "hey, that's @cinder sparrow's cat-picture", so in a way it IS yours 😂 Have a great one!

[olive hornet]

is there a way to keep what suno has created but have it redo it with a lyric change ? as I like the music but would like the vocal to change a bit?

[zenith oasis]

Cover works

[charred merlin]

There's the Replace Section feature that lets you choose a specific segment to regenerate -- not a perfect 1:1 method of getting the exact same instrumentals, but it's the best simple & generative option that doesn't require external audio editing

[olive hornet]

ok . thank you

[leaden lark]

[polar spade]

Popcorn? So early?

[leaden lark]

Why not? It’s already 10:30 am here

[worn flicker]

Ok so here is something strange, all of my songs are coming out with a British accent.

While I have no issue with the accent, it doesn't go in every style

[leaden lark]

interesting, do you have any tags or styles that seem to be influencing it?

[worn flicker]

Nope

Nothing in that says British. It is why I added americana

[leaden lark]

has it been happening more consistently to your songs recently?

[worn flicker]

A little yesterday and everything today

[leaden lark]

hmm, that's strange

[worn flicker]

I think Suno rotates for real

[leaden lark]

who really knows at this point

[worn flicker]

True

The song sounds good but the British accent can make American slang sound crazy

[leaden lark]

oh for sure

[worn flicker]

Even though it makes no sense. I think because i am using shortened Rap version of words that it is interpreting it as a British accent.

[leaden lark]

that could be it, though it's hard to say what's exactly causing it

[worn flicker]

Yep. That is the one constant...lol

[frigid sapphire]

More hellenic death/folk/thrash metal stuff
https://suno.com/song/aec30965-e605-4672-a951-2c4ae3a2c8d8

[polar spade]

Well it's Beer Hall Putsch day... and Downton Abbey had an episode about it, and Downton Abbey is a British show... soooo.... here we are...!

[worn flicker]

The fact that what you are saying makes sense is crazy...lol

[keen thistle]

Trying to generate covers and keeps kicking off generation but erroring. Got a stack of unplayable songs showing on IOS app but not in web browser.. this happening to anyone else?

[tiny falcon]

Morning everyone

[tiny falcon]

Maybe suno has moved the server to England. 🙂

[leaden lark]

morning!

[polar spade]

Happy National Chocolate Milkshake Day

A good subject for an AI song.

[polar spade]

Yea. I wouldn't doubt it. Say convo, g'day and brekky and it'll be Australian, I guess.

[sullen oak]

How can I get it to do nonhuman robot steven hawking sounding vocals it will not listen to anything I say even with a bunch of exclude human voice tags and synthetic robot monotone vocals nothing works

[polar spade]

As an off-guess... try "Speak and Spell" it might know the toy voice.

[sullen oak]

I was just thinking text to speech or auto narrator speak and spell is good idea i will try that now

[polar spade]

Make up something, yea, like "robo-narrator"? Something might work.

Wonder if Suno knows "Dr Sbaitso" ?

[sullen oak]

Better, much better, still doing male some but on the right track.

I'll try that too

[polar spade]

You can put prompts reminiscent of the 80s, like "hypnagogic" to see if it nudges it further.

[sullen oak]

Yea it's still like 50 50 human robot rn I'll try that I have so many things I've tried already but none of these and it's getting closer

[polar spade]

I'd test with you, but I'm working. You're on your own. Good luck and have fun.

[polar spade]

Re-order the same prompts. That can re-weigh the priorities of each.

Sorry if I say something you already know. Better twice than never.

[floral bolt]

What do you use to produce very powerful bits?

[sullen oak]

No u r helping alot I am closer it's working like partially then human cuts through but nah you are good thank you

[tiny marsh]

I have recreated some of my songs using Personas and these songs are often cut short for some reason (around the 3:30 mark). Anybody else see this behavior?

[worn flicker]

True

[sullen oak]

It shouldn't take 100 credits worth of Garbage to get robot vocals it's pretty ridiculous but this works 25% of the time or so Id say out of like 50 songs I got like maybe 4 decent ones. [((hypnagogic automated synthetic
speech emulator robotic machine androgynous robo filtered speech synthesizer nonhuman speak and spell text to speech auto narrator robo narrator vocals))]

[charred merlin]

Sometimes less is more 🤷‍♂️

[sullen oak]

I tried

Each individually

As well

I also tried Watson ai vocals, Steven hawking vocals, all kinds of stuff

[charred merlin]

Not directly suggesting that using them individually is guaranteed to work, just noting that stacking that many in a row might work detrimentally to how one might imagine.

[sullen oak]

True

will try reducing it some

could be like, the concept of a double negative im doing by redundancy

[charred merlin]

I generally feel like the more specific of a sound I’m trying to create, the less likely I am to achieve it solely through the use of complex prompting.

Top-of-my-head approach, maybe you could generate the exact robotic vocals that you want with an external tool (Watson AI as you mentioned, if that’s something that could achieve the vocal tone), then reupload it into Suno to extend from — that way it would have an easier time continuing the provided vocals.

[sullen oak]

have not thought of that, might be the way to go

so if i get a good audio vocal robot track i just upload audio and then extend or remix it to get the music behind it?

[charred merlin]

Definitely a more direct approach — yeah, a couple ways to handle it

• uploading JUST the robot vocals and hoping that Suno recalls that vocal pattern for your inputted lyrics

Or, likely more effectively,

• downloading an instrumental song and adding the robot vocals overtop that externally, then reuploading it to Suno to extend from

I’ve seen some crazy experiments, where people have overlaid 2 separate & distinct tracks & overlaid them (creating a complete garbled mess to human ears), but Suno was able to recognize specific patterns blended within that clip to create an extension that somehow made sense of the chaos, while still continuing those tones & style.

Similarly, you might not necessarily need to get the robot voice sounding perfect overtop the initial generation just to get things started — you can always try to clean things up afterward with a cover or replace section 😄

[sullen oak]

right on thank you very much

[naive quail]

Permanently deleted tracks apparently do not actually get deleted at all, at least not if they've ever been extended from. I can use "Get Whole Song" on extensionsnssjd fdhffgjjgf

hahah

THAT was Rachael

[charred merlin]

I thought you were headbutting the keyboard out of anger

Turns out you’ve contracted Rachel to headbutt the keyboard for you

[naive quail]

....as I was saying before having my keyboard stolen, permanently deleted tracks apparently do not actually get deleted at all, at least not if they've ever been extended from. I can use "Get Whole Song" on extensions of deleted tracks and it will pull in the bit that was permanently deleted.

It's probably all relative to our own library. Permanently deleted from our personal library, but still on Suno's server for them to do with as they will.

[sullen oak]

so i found steven hawking emulator site text to speech, upload that audio into suno, then i extend but i change the extend from 57 sec to start at 1 second, and it worked

[charred merlin]

Nice — you can use Crop or external tools to clip out any unseemly sections at the very beginning, but that’s awesome, dude!

💪 Nice work on that one

[sullen oak]

yea it actually sounds even crazier cool than i intended

[latent oasis]

Hello everyone, I have an issue with Suno, I'm saaad.... Since Yesterday when I tried to create a song (After putting my lyrics, theme and title), it loads into nothingness and after my song is not create, someone know how to solve this ? Sorry for my english

[tiny falcon]

How to use negative prompt in suno? I was searching on youtube and google but couldn't find any info on it.

[charred merlin]

It works the opposite to the "style of music" prompt -- enter things that you DON'T want to see.

If you're making a rock song and keep getting a piano solo, add "piano" to the negative prompt section.

[tiny falcon]

I can't find the negative option. Mybe I have to enable it somewhere?

[charred merlin]

I love it because I feel like you can go a little more wild in the negative prompt section to steer the generations away from a specific result without worrying about drowning out your desired style prompts.

For instance, if you say reggae, disco and it strongly focuses on disco, an older (and arguably effective, however blunt) method is to stack the ignored prompt, like reggae, reggae, reggae, disco which is more likely to give you reggae at the cost of how well balanced or respected the other style prompts would be considered.

[charred merlin]

Underneath the "instrumental" toggle, you need to toggle that feature on

[tiny falcon]

Oh. The excludes style?

damn. hahaha. I was looking for something that says negative prompt

[charred merlin]

"Exclude these styles"

[tiny falcon]

Jesus.. lol

[tiny falcon]

Thank you so much!

I guess I got mixed up with stable diffusion too much

[charred merlin]

Reasonable oversight 🙂

After months of trying to find creative ways to suggest music without specific instruments, tones, styles, etc, it's nice to have a spot to "yell at" suno in a productive manner 😂

guitar solo, frantic, shredding, excited, sporadic, flighty, manic, turbulent, tremolo-picked, guitar-sweep being included in the negative prompting of most songs I make tells a story in itself 😛

[tiny falcon]

I should try those out. My English is not that good. Sometime I can't describe the things I don't wanna hear 🙂

Like last time, the loud humming sub base sound and I thought it's called crackle or something else

[charred merlin]

It's nice that Suno "vibes" with whatever we say, so it's less important to know the technically accurate terms, but I understand that sort of familiarity acts as a sort of "roadmap" in knowing what else to try.

loud bass, hum, crackle, too loud, booming, turtles, people who say they hate pineapple on pizza without trying it first -- obviously not "the best" prompts, not "the correct prompts" -- but ESPECIALLY in the negative prompting, you can literally do nothing wrong.

The worst case in the example I provided is that you won't hear people who hate Hawaiian pizza. 😛

[tiny falcon]

Those are good negative prompt. I think those are good for my instruments. Thanks a lot!

that's the turtle doing in there? j/k

maybe put some Ketchup and Mustard sauce in too 🙂

[charred merlin]

Heck -- even if those words make ZERO difference in the negative prompts, it's another way of making them uniquely yours. If "turtles" isn't associated with music in a way that would negatively impact the song, it's like an "easter egg" surprise for your fans to find 😄

[tiny falcon]

🙂 Anything is possible with AI

I remember you mention, less is more, now I am getting pretty good instrumental song with just a simple style prompt. No need to list any instruments in the section descriptions.

[charred merlin]

There can be times when Suno doesn't respond as well, or when songs take longer to generate -- possibly even getting stuck and failing.

If this is happening for longer than 30m, and it is impacting EVERY song that you make, regardless of lyrics or style prompts used, it might be a good idea to contact [e-mail] so the Official Support team can help 💪

[charred merlin]

Using many style prompts is a very fun creative experiment, but I find that it can be VERY helpful, like you are, starting off with simple & few prompts -- you REALLY gain an understanding of what you can expect in your own "little corner" of Suno in this way.

[tiny falcon]

I wonder if suno server store the cache of our style and keep looping similar creation, if we keep on creating. I constantly refresh my browser.

Sometime it feel like after 2 hours of continues creation. The songs starting to sound the same. Could be my ears?

[verbal mortar]

Does Suno not follow prompts anymore LOL? I ask for Drum and Bass and get Rock.. .I ask for female vocals, i get a guy

and if I DO get Drum and Bass, its super mellow and slow and more like lofi. Suno...she is broken

[charred merlin]

Previously I would have said 100% Suno does not work like this -- I asked a staff member recently and they weren't sure themselves. A dev has been quoted as saying "I wish it worked like that" -- still, I have seen MANY more instances that would prove otherwise, since it's unfair to give preferential credence to the instances that confirm the theory & discount the majority of times that it wouldn't have impacted the generations.

I'd be curious if it continues to happen with simple prompting as well, as there might be some overlap in the prompts used if you're hopping from one style to another

[tiny falcon]

Pass me the lofi. I love it.

[verbal mortar]

i can confirm this. after 3k songs, i'm basically repeating what's been done already. I have a good amount of songs that sound identical in structure and overall beat and chords. It's like its reset to "0" again.

[tiny falcon]

I think it's good. But possible over lapse. Just curious about it.

[verbal mortar]

for me more importantly now is this style prompt issue. I really do not understand why this is happening. How can you make a rock song with a prompt that says " Dark Core, Deep bass synth, liquid drum and bass"

i wouldn't care if when you logged it as a bug you got the credits back, but to my knowledge you do not.

[charred merlin]

Just to make sure I conveyed the message I intended to -- I have ~9k songs and haven't noticed a resounding "sameness" to them, looking past the formulaic nature of music in general, but dont send me down that rabbit hole 🙏
I personally don't believe that Suno uses user-history or thumbs up/down for immediate feedback in generation results, imho

[verbal mortar]

that's crazy. I have a bunch of my metal stuff that is structually the same. same tempo changes as well.

[tiny falcon]

Hum.. about the thumbs up/down thing. I wonder if it's just training the AI overall when we click it. or it's just for individual account that telling suno don't make this kinda style/sounds/instrument again. So I am not sure if we should remove the songs that are thumbs down?

I am afraid that he can't remember the context from previous creation for the new songs if we delete it.

[charred merlin]

afaik, it provides training data for them to use when developing future models, but I wasn't under the impression that it impacts songs between generations when using the same style prompts -- otherwise it would be absolutely USELESS for people to "reuse prompt" because it would be entirely different for everyone based on their history 🤷‍♂️

[polar spade]

My conspiracy theory is gaining ground. Lol.

Hey. One thing we may at least remind ourselves is that melodies and patterns DO get repeated, as they wouldn't be trendy song patterns or hooks and be part of western music theory if they didnt. After hearing hundreds of AI generated songs, we start hearing the patterns and think something is amiss, but they've been there all along.

[charred merlin]

😛 I'm still in the other camp since nothing definitive has been shown, and the only dev comment still speaks against it, but I'm softening my absolute refusal

[granite jungle]

Hey everyone. I have a rather stupid question: Is it somehow possible to change email addresses from an account where I used google to register? Because I want to change my email to a safer one.

[charred merlin]

Not stupid at all -- not anything that you'd be able to manage on your own, but perhaps you could email [e-mail] to ask if there's anything they can do to change the email associated with your account 💪

[neat marsh]

are the servers down or something i just cant generate it, before this error message it was coming up with the songs but just loading and not competing them.

[verbal mortar]

this was happening yesterday. I think they were rolling out a fix or something (maybe just changing servers) . If they were rolling out something it would be based on location (West coast goes down first, then middle of US, then east coast) as an example.

[hollow hare]

I would also recommend, at the moment, to use a Password Manager to generate complex passwords for your current email if you feel it is insecure.

There are several out there but I believe the most popular were 1Password and BitWarden

[neat marsh]

so theres nothing i can do?

[verbal mortar]

probably not as it's not on your end.

[granite jungle]

The thing is, I used my "trash" google email to register, because back then I through I would gave Suno only few tries just to mess a little. But nowadays I generated many tracks and even bought a Pro plan, and so I would like to keep my account safe.
However, thanks for the email! I will email them if they can change my email.

[verbal mortar]

could also be like Midjourney where you used up all your spots in generation and have to wait. what plan are you on?

[neat marsh]

maybe vpn?

[hollow hare]

Probably wait 10 minutes. If it still gives that message after that, contact [e-mail]

[verbal mortar]

each plan has limits on how many you can do at once.

[neat marsh]

ive been waiting for 30 minutes now tbh so i should contact them i assume

[hollow hare]

Ah, yes, contact them ASAP

About 3 hrs to end of the workday and weekend time

Hopefully they don't have a backlog and see your message about it

[worn flicker]

I use BitWarden, I love it.

[remote flume]

Version 4 I hope when doing covers, it does not spit out the same song and charges us for it

[hollow hare]

Hopefully! (Just remember that you do get like 200 covers for free #📢┃announcements message. There is a visual glitch that shows the cost being deducted but refreshing the page after the generation is complete will show the correct amount)

[mild yew]

same with Persona, to an extent

[worn flicker]

Version 4 will probably be a major upgrade considering how well it is doing covers and persona when it comes to Vocals. That along with fixing the drift however that is done without breaking it into segments.

[mellow condor]

creating new songs doesnt work atm, it just loading and loading and loading...

[proven dew]

I'm having the same problem right now....

[mellow condor]

Ok so we need to wait 🙂

[jade mist]

Anyone using accessibility tools like screen readers: The model dropdown is currently unusable. The previous, older UI was better because it was a standard dropdown, but now it doesn't work at all. Can you try to get the old dropdown back or do any of you know a workaround?

[warm parrot]

but seriously, has it been confirmed if personas is a different model or not?

[untold briar]

Be sure to post this in bugs channel, but I'll try and highlight this to Suno as well https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1082775596767117312

[charred merlin]

It uses v3.5

[warm parrot]

then how does it usually sound much better? 👀

[untold briar]

Even Suno's Bark can output impressively clear sounding music, without changing the model, if you change how you use the model.

[charred merlin]

Because personas take a clip of the song that you made it from -- presumably you've already deemed the song it uses to be subjectively good, so you're a fan of the tracks that result from it.

Instead of using the same random prompts to hope for a track that "rolled the dice" the same way, you're forcing Suno to listen to what you like, and demanding that it "do more of that, but different"

Imo -- it's essentially a v3.5 extension that doesn't seamlessly blend with the context clip that you've provided, so the songs can have their own intros without feeling like they're a direct continuation of the existing song -- same as all other extensions, "better quality input == better quality output"

[untold briar]

Is there desktop computer software that can reliably just tell you the key and chord progression in any audio file? Actually I should just look for solutions on github, command line would be better anyway. Want to do get a sense of diversity of outputs, and even if had a musical ear, would not be able to listen to a million songs.

[charred merlin]

Free, or good?

[untold briar]

Doesn't matter as long as it's mostly accurate. Able to take in a batch of songs, or be automated, is probably what I mostly want.

[charred merlin]

I haven't used them myself, but I chatted with someone who spoke REALLY highly of Melodyne -- I think that's what the youtube channel "Now You Ruined It" uses

https://mixedinkey.com/learn-more/ also gets mentioned ,but I'm less familiar

[glad valley]

Melodyne is great

but it's not live

at least not the cheaper ones

[calm bobcat]

Is anyone else having problems with the ''Get Whole Song'' function?
nothing is happening here when I click on it.

[glad valley]

Oh I challenge you all to tell me how I did the speed rap. Though the answer is easier than you might think. I think I've told you about this in DM once @charred merlin so if I did, you disqualified from challenge! I will reveal how though. https://suno.com/song/c9d60643-eff2-4353-a4b2-f24c4fd77467 (https://suno.com/song/8478a152-b4b1-4965-bd6b-8918f1c9726d is the original that I didn't go experimental on)

[charred merlin]

You might need to refresh the page -- it should show up as the most recent the library track -- make sure you don't have "Liked" toggled on though 🙂

[charred merlin]

I'm abstaining from this challenge, but I'm glad that worked so well! 😄 I'll keep that idea tucked away as a "good one"

[glad valley]

it's also not just how it was structured. The hardest part isn't the prompt

cause you can do the prompt and end up with, nothing. I also temporarily created a new genre when JvC (original) blew up for awhile

so many people just typed in rapidcore rap and thought that would give them the magic potion

[untold briar]

Linebreaks and empty used to be super super influencial in Suno V0. To the point where almost any song that just had a lot of lyrics, like a lot of raw text, always wanted to come out as rap. (There was no style prompt.)

[glad valley]

yeah that ain't it though and some speed rapping just won't work, regardless of your prompt or technique cause it doesn't flow and creates a break in the speed itself. That's why speed rapping tends to lend itself to certain consonant, adverb and syllable structure and why chopping was created as a way to string together words that can be multiple other words and connect them and all that. Speed rap and chop isn't the same thing though. I learned that after the fact, lol

[worn flicker]

There are many things you can use. https://multimedia.easeus.com/bpm-key-finder/
Chord AI on both android and iPhone, FL Studio on Mobile or PC

[copper cloud]

Is there a way to download a video with the current name and picture if I changed it?

[untold briar]

Regenerate Video option should update the video, but it may take a couple minutes before the download link gives you the new version

[copper cloud]

It keeps using the very first name and picture

[copper cloud]

Wait wdym by download link?

[glad valley]

doesn't always do that. If it refuses, you can crop the entire song after changing everything and then regen the crop before you link anywhere to it (if there's an existing embed it might interfere with the regeneration of the embed itself)

if there's an embed anywhere on discord, anywhere at all

[copper cloud]

?

[glad valley]

what?

which part am I explaining poorly?

[copper cloud]

Embed

[calm bobcat]

don't work

nothing appears in the library even when updating the page, simply the get whole song function doesn't work...

[glad valley]

If there is an embed link on discord active, it can interfere with regeneration and you have no control if someone has linked it

that's why adding / works sometimes

if nobody has linked it with that already

[charred merlin]

Never heard that before -- is this something that you know for a fact?

[glad valley]

I know that the moment something is linked, I can't regen it

or should I say an embed is embedded

I don't have a sub going so I can't say if it works by deleting it

[naive quail]

I haven't run into that, either. Just tested it with a track I shared on discord. I changed the cover, regened, then downloaded the video and it had the new cover.

What I HAVE seen is discord caching the videos. So if I were to repost that here, it'd likely show the old cover, but that's a discord thing.

[glad valley]

you can download it yes but can you link the embed again with the new video?

[charred merlin]

Toker -- I was literally about to ask if you'd test that out with me, but sounds like you already played both roles 😂

[glad valley]

thats the thing I'm saying

it does regen but the embed doesn't and I deduce it's cause it's cached somewhere on discord

[naive quail]

Yeah, discord will cache the old video. There's probably not to much Suno can do about that.

[charred merlin]

Okay, we might have been talking about different things. Discord DOES cache, but someone watching the video doesn't impact whether or not Suno's regen feature works

[naive quail]

See? Old cover. lol

[glad valley]

not actively watching, but I mean if it's linked. Just linked. That means it's gonna stay cached

that's why I suspect it strongly cause if you add a / at the end, you can sometimes make the regen work

until you've linked it

[charred merlin]

Discord isn't the same as Suno though -- the video is updated, but Discord's cached version doesn't

You can post the link without the / elsewhere and it will still show the updated video

Adding the / is just a way of sharing the same song from a different link that hasn't been cached yet

[glad valley]

I know but...we were talking about embeds cause why regen videos otherwise?

[naive quail]

still has the old cover once the vid starts

[charred merlin]

I might have lost the point of all of this -- you would regen a video to hide extension points, to change the displayed lyrics or image

[glad valley]

To change the image, to censor certain words, to hide clutter, to get a better structure of the lyrics to make them readable. To add copyrights

to my lyrics, not the song

[modern belfry]

how come my coins vanished? I had about 2200. I did cancel my sub a few months ago. Shouldn't I still have them since I did pay for them

kinda feel jipped

[zinc cove]

Think with the paid for credits you still need active sub if I recall that right

[frosty cypress]

Anyone know if v4 is still 4min limit? Or 3:20 on cover/persona

[charred merlin]

Monthly credits or paid-extra credits?

[modern belfry]

Monthly credits

[zinc cove]

ok found it under subscription page

[modern belfry]

well shit lol

checkmate

[charred merlin]

Personas each use a segment of their original song to help give context & keep them sounding like "the same artist", so that persona uses 40s

[modern belfry]

Thanks @zinc cove

[zinc cove]

no probs!

[frosty cypress]

Yeah, was just wonder if any of this was changing in v4

And well aware this is more of a hardware/memory limit then a technology limit

[charred merlin]

afaik It's meant to ensure that Suno can balance the server load as they grow so quickly -- easier to keep an idea of how much stress on the network there'll be this way, but it definitely catches people offguard if you aren't expecting it -- I know it's ABSOLUTELY me trying to make the best of a bad situation, but there's a helpful guide about how a user makes use of the last week-or-so during the billing cycle to go crazy with unused credits that'll expire https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1285616051190632510

[glad valley]

Heh as a former copywriter...I will say, it's mostly about making money out of people not using the service to its full capacity. Just like gyms

bind yourself for 12+ months, you probably won't go for more than 3 months

[frosty cypress]

This actually does raise a question, lets say i had a song that i really liked the vocals on, and cut it down to just a 10 or 20 second clip and used that as a persona, would the persona generate longer on that persona?

[charred merlin]

I've commented that EXACT thing over the past couple days, and people have found great success with it from early reports -- instead of giving it a 4m song, and hoping that it knows which segment to use that reflects why you fell in love with the song in the first place, crop out the section that best represents what you want and then use that for the persona 😄 -- a guitar solo with really good mid tones, a duet, the perfect metal vocalist, etc

[stiff plover]

https://x.com/sunomusic/status/1854961069300613176 ok so I think some of the v3.5 generations are already v4 and they are a/b testing it. #📚┃suno-school message

[frosty cypress]

Cool, ill give that a shot, and can you create a persona from an uploaded file? Like upload myself singing?

The red x react mean no i guess?? Lol, i undsrstand why they wouldnt let it, copywrite issues and all

[glad valley]

Personas are largely a seed isn't it?

more or less

[frosty cypress]

Well from above it seems like it just samples it and uses it as kind of like how a lora/embed would work on image gen.

Although i would like seed control

[charred merlin]

Not in the technical sense of something that would allow you to recreate the same song multiple times using the same prompt, but in the sense that you'd use a seed crystal to grow a larger crystal that uses the same patterns

[glad valley]

yeah I don't mean the seed recreating the same thing (unless it allows you to recreate everything, which it doesn't) but in the same way a seed in image generation will function as a guide even if you alter the prompt to deliver a similar "style" to it

I'm sure the back end has steps and everything and such that we don't get to interact with

[frosty cypress]

Not sure, but in image gen, if i keep the same seed and change even 1 character in the prompt, the images look nothing alike, but with embeds and loras i can get the same characters, styles, etc

[worn flicker]

Wait in image Gen you get different images with the same seed? I am asking because it is the exact opposite for me and I think everyone else. If I use the exact same seed with no variation I can change the prompt a decent amount and still get the look and stance of the person or whatever was in the previous. As long as I use the same model of course.

[frosty cypress]

Yeah, with same seed, changing a single thing in prompt gives me different image

[worn flicker]

Interesting, I notice that I forget to set the seed to random very often because I keep getting the same image over and over. Well the same background and basic everything else maybe an outfit will change or something. That is crazy, and is this in Stable Diffusion?

[frosty cypress]

Yeah, running forge on either sdxl or flux

[worn flicker]

Huh..,that is nuts.

[glad valley]

that's very weird

[muted jay]

Can you use personas to remake your old songs?

[glad valley]

forge might be doing something else

[worn flicker]

BRB. I'll explain persona in contrast to seed in a second

[frosty cypress]

Yes and no, it will some times reuse parts kf original song, but not consistantly

The coolest result i had from a person, i was using a metal song as the persona, but was doing kind of a slow, more accoustic intro to that song, and where i had a [break] in the song, it dopped into the heavy riff of the metal song, then back out to the accoustic sound when vocals picked back up, then at the end of the song, rather then fade out like normal, it gave me an awesome drum into and heavy hit that i was able to crop and time perfectly with the start of the other song

[fresh timber]

So. I don't know if anyone else caught, this or realized it.... And im probably looking too far into this so I could be wrong. But I took a listen to the v4 teaser song again and one lyric stood out to me "feels like I've been waiting for a lifetime, looking forward to today" I don't know if that's just part of the song, but what if that's a clue that v4 is dropping even earlier than we think? Possibly even tonight?

[copper cloud]

Doesn't work

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/song/71a68d8c-be62-46e7-bd53-569087f4ad11 I do these things for fun now, horror songs ^^ I got the INK itch I also make up genres cause it creates cool sounds...and I have no persona's

no sub

example:

`[Thriller Metal Verse]
Dear Dieary.
Last night I burnt something I loathed.
I tore it down and shattered it apart.
Her screams drowned out the room.
Now she’s ashes along with her home.

[Instrumental Interlude]
[Thriller Metal Riff]

[Horrorshow Punk Chorus]
Nobody sees me.
I’m invisible to the world.
Since I blend into the canvas.
I may as well paint it full with blood.
Nobody sees me.
I’m invisible to the world.
Since I blend into the canvas.
I may as well paint it full with blood.

[Instrumental Interlude]
[Evil Darksynth Solo]`

created a very modern 80s sound

and technically there are slasher horror villains in PG13 movies now so. It works ^^ But feel free to tell me if it doesn't and I'll delete the link

https://suno.com/song/2fd62930-df59-484f-93ff-2c27b5461cbe this was the halloween challenge where I got a Muse sounding vocalist. Def want to persona this if I ever resub

[lyric seal]

I would like the images to be generated a little better...

[frosty cypress]

I re did all mine in stable diffusion with a trained embed of me

[glad valley]

I made my cover from SD + Clip Studio Paint

[glad valley]

got my template and then modified it, redrew some stuff

added the title and the "stars" that are anagrams of slasher villains

[lyric seal]

Yeah, that is a great work without any of hallucinations!

[glad valley]

I have an old SD model I trained using blocks, unet lanes, redirecting lane trafic and siphoning very specific data from various models

cause I didn't have the vram to train an actual

https://civitai.com/models/6209/dark-gemini-v3 this one if anyone is interested in an old 1.5er. Can do up to 1280x720 80% of the time without assistance from regions etc

[frosty cypress]

my job requires me to have 4 4090's

[glad valley]

lucky

you'd be more lucky with their 250gb ones though

4x of those

[frosty cypress]

any idea how to clean up the vocals, i have no problem working in another program outside suno if you have suggestions

[glad valley]

I'm happy my SD model has very positive rating and I think nothing but 5/5 star reviews

yes I brag 😄

[glad valley]

what do you mean clean up? like remove them?

[frosty cypress]

like in the actual song, the vocals have a kind of a tin sound to them.

[glad valley]

did you stem split them at Suno?

or do you mean the vocals themselves just do?

[frosty cypress]

thought about making an sdxl model?

[glad valley]

my 8gb vram can't even lane siphon for that

so out of the question

[frosty cypress]

i've played with one song after stem split, but not even sure where to start to clean them up

[glad valley]

do you have a wav file of it? the song

cause mp3 is too low quality download to clean up

[frosty cypress]

oh yeah, i get that, im trying to work on flux, and even thats hell, the models themself take 20gb vram, try to do anything cool with them and your out of luck

and yeah, i did the wavs

im just not sure where to start, i have fl studio and i know that pretty well but haven't done anything with vocals so a little clueless

[glad valley]

if you have them I can take a look tomorrow in studio one 7

it's midnight now so about to go to bed

see if there's a vocal there to save

[frosty cypress]

lol yeah, ill send you links

[glad valley]

to the full one, not stem split

I will stem split it on my own in SO7

better stem split quality

[frosty cypress]

ok, https://suno.com/song/71f2c982-a7f4-4b0b-9af7-337d171a7571

i would really like to do something will all these things i've wrote, just not sure how to clean them up so any advice is useful

[glad valley]

I can't download it though, you need to download the wav and send it to me

[frosty cypress]

ok

will this send here?

[glad valley]

I'm still learning, so I'm not a professional...but I consider taking on projects like these to learn more

[frosty cypress]

yes it does, lol

[glad valley]

and youve got nothing to lose anyway 😄

[frosty cypress]

lol right, i think its funny that with suno, if i do a metal song its fine, but anything with clean vocals is like.. meh...

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/@fallingforever I mean you can check my songs. There's some clean vocals https://suno.com/song/0ae76403-d3b1-40bd-bc91-9baeac5b0b90

ffs

that was 10 seconds!

[frosty cypress]

lol

[glad valley]

there problem solved

[frosty cypress]

yeah, female vocals are easier with clean i've noticed

listening to sick six sick, i have a song called the sin you might like, afraid to post it here. a few songs i've done i've been on the line of allowed and not

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/song/2a5b7099-f8f1-4e19-98dd-d8c0d9e6311c here

no wait

that's without persona

[frosty cypress]

yeah, that vocal sound, that weird.. i don't even know how to describe it, but thats what I am trying to fix. you really hear it in the first 2 lines of that song

[glad valley]

yeah but then it goes away

mostly

[frosty cypress]

yeah it does.

[glad valley]

and occasionally comes back

for a second or two

https://suno.com/song/7cd6b489-7e53-4651-93bd-e2c209efa57a here then...from Sept 4, long before personas etc and even inpaint, crop etc

[frosty cypress]

like this song, the vocals came out good, but it was darker tone https://suno.com/song/5d574a38-5261-46d3-a0a3-f976fce5e5cf

[glad valley]

the intro is supposed to be distorted btw

[olive hornet]

Hi Guys. IM having some trouble getting Suno to replace the lyric in a section. any ideas?

[glad valley]

the entire song was an homage to The Crow (1994)

[frosty cypress]

yeah, hope its not homage to the new one lol

[olive hornet]

its litrally not singing what Is written

[frosty cypress]

in my cases, if its being stubborn, i've done a cover

or go back further if you are doing a extend

[olive hornet]

im doing a "replace" edit

[frosty cypress]

never tried that, so not sure, i've always just covered or extended

[olive hornet]

🤔🤔

[glad valley]

I can DM you a link to my horror song playlist (when I get the impulse I sit down and write lyrics for 10-20 minutes and then play around on Suno without a sub. I don't use AI for my lyrics, even if it would improve some of them)

[glad valley]

you can use inpaint and if you tick off the time box you can extend them however long you want. Just edit the song first to include only the new lyrics you want and then add them in the new prompt

[frosty cypress]

yes please, and yeah, I don't use ai for lyrics either, not sure ai could even write half my lyrics,

suno is constantly telling me my lyrics need "reviewed"

i did a song for a friend of mine, about being kidnapped (she's way into bdsm).. suno did not want to do that song.

[worn flicker]

I have remade numerous songs with persona I call them persona mix even. The vocals and harmonies are noticeably better.

---

With persona vs. Seed. This is how it is functioning now, I have no idea if this is what was intended. If the seed was being held then any change to the song would not make much difference, except in your case oddly. Still as it stands Persona instead makes an actual copy of the original song under the new song, so to compare it would be more like influenced generation on SD like CPDS or Canny, stuff like that.

That is why the original song can poke through if you don't change enough lyrics

[olive hornet]

Im not to sure what you mean. I only want it to sing the lyrics that are already there. but its singing the first part of the chorus then changing the last have to the first chorus. if that makes sense?..hahah

[glad valley]

that's Suno for ya

[olive hornet]

hahah

[glad valley]

if you have a sub you can select that area in specific and just untick the time box and let it run

[olive hornet]

ok

let me try

lol

[frosty cypress]

oooh i see what you are seeing, I have this happen to, a lot when I am doing "nu metal" it always wants to repeat the first or second verse later in the song, even if I give it like 7 or 8 verses

I got around that by not labeling verses, i just label the chorus and it fixed this for me

[olive hornet]

oh ok

[glad valley]

I make like 10-12 syllable verses and stack them to create a larger verse (at least as far as the listener knows)

that way it won't jump back a verse etc and I can make the verse as long as I want

and interject some instrumental interludes

https://suno.com/song/81244169-73c0-4c0a-8a54-0697fbeb7002 when MMORPGs are taken too far

[frosty cypress]

yeah, thats what I started doing, basicly suno just sees it as one long wall of text with a few [chorus] tags in it

[glad valley]

also if you understand consants syllables etc for speed rapping. I can tell you a working method

https://suno.com/song/8478a152-b4b1-4965-bd6b-8918f1c9726d to get this

20 seconds or so in youll hear

[gritty pilot]

Hey, I try to generate a song but it does not work. I have tried different browsers, using the app, using on my phone and on my pc. But nothing seems to work

[glad valley]

what do you mean? does it give an error or what?

[frosty cypress]

with rapping, for me, it was to stop using periods. no more . just use , huge difference

[worn flicker]

https://suno.com/song/301b1369-2962-49b2-8272-53e00032ef16

[gritty pilot]

It just times out, nothing else discribed

[glad valley]

still slower 😄

[worn flicker]

I wrote the lyrics for that a long time ago and updated them for Suno. Suno is the first to ever bring them to life. The whole point was to be an almost constant drumming.

[glad valley]

but good

[worn flicker]

Slower...oh my bad...lol.

https://suno.com/song/dc2fcd85-6c8f-46ad-a0cc-059d663a04b0

Picture needs work I just finished it today

When I post it in showcase I explain one great thing about speed rap is you get to write about speed rapping in the rap at least once...lol

Easy content

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/song/c9d60643-eff2-4353-a4b2-f24c4fd77467 check this then 😛

my experimental version

[worn flicker]

I like Female Vocals. I would say going with Latino male would probably haul ass

[glad valley]

about 25ish seconds it the first one starts

[worn flicker]

K

For mine it is the chorus and the end. I wasn't happy with the end, I could have kept going but I was over the song already...haha

[glad valley]

the redux is just me messiing around, the original was the real one

a lot of it is more or less nonsensical to the story the original song was telling in redux

[worn flicker]

Jamming this now

[glad valley]

there's a method to getting the speed rap down, including both chopping, syllables, consonants etc for the actual writing. Then a small trick

the last speed rap verse I just decided to go for it

[worn flicker]

Yep. First off your song jams, I love it. Had I did speed metal I would have gotten that level of constant speed. I literally removed all commas from the song. Still yours obviously took more time than a day. Great job

[glad valley]

it actually took like 2 hours 😄

well the redux did, the original took 6 hours

[frosty cypress]

never the time thats an issue for me, its the fact that I can burn through 3,000 credits on one song

[glad valley]

`[Final Verse]
Kill_it_then_eat_it_never_feed_it_don’t_believe_it_just_leave_it_don’t_free_it_it’s_the_devil_it’s_not_clever_so_forever_remember_to_sever_the_head_of_every_dread_ful_feelin_thru_the_shadows_in_the_gallows_where_the_hallows_creep_in_the_shad_oh_so_late_the_hour_am_swallowed_by_the_hollow_never_follow_where_the_needy_n_the_greedy_lose_the_gamble_it’s_too_shallow_fail_in_the_straight_n_narrow_instead_the_arrow_hits_me_every_hour_so_I_cower_til_I’m_empowered_climbin_towers_for_hour_son_loudes_ton_set_won_it_in_the_middle_o_the_run_nits_versus_them_adnes_sadnes_sudden_lie_sick_ing_ames_en_the_shame_o_the_painless_resurrection_icing_the_cake_uprising_versus_our_placing!

Always gonna be Jester Versus Clown!
All_the_haters_are_just_waiters_cya_later_my_master_traitor_put_some_bait_on!`

[Verse 2] killin_n_winnin_never_endin_never_bendin_always_spendin_endless_energy Fueling me!. Makin_noradrenaline_n_dopamine_all_over_me_like_amphetamine_in_a_blender_never_tire_in_this_mire_soarin_higher_with_this_vitamin_not RITALIN! You_feelin_me_I’m_in_the_ceiliin_CLAWS_out_n_everythin_fightin_my_DEMONS_they_never_tire_I’m_the_entire_purifier_collider_of_the_rider_from_then_tire_under_world_on_fire_scape_of_tape_it_lend_in_a_hook_for_the_croo_educated_over_ate_the_muse_crated_I_waited_never_sated! Related_ill_fated_mating_sedating_going_dating_guess_it’s_okay_then_nobody_cared_when_cosby_did_the_slow_he_needs_medicine_too_Bro! Not_just_his_date_to_be_(REDACTED)_you_really_wanna_feel_me_n_tell_me_why_I_can’t_say_(REDACTED)!

[worn flicker]

Ah OK, yes because I took a couple hours to do mine. The thing that took me the longest was being swapping over to phonetic spelling, but it takes up more space and I didn't get the content I wanted. This is a more quality song of mine considering it actually tells a story. https://suno.com/song/52f4d3a4-6ed2-477e-b517-57e21492441c

[glad valley]

basically, chop syllables when needed to create several words out of one and make it flow through it, no line breaks, no spaces, no commas, no exclamation, no question marks. Uninterrupted flow of letters, just going with underscores

but you have to put the words together right or it will stop

so the most important part is done writing the lyrics

[worn flicker]

Yes Bone Thugs taught us this and 36

[frosty cypress]

now I wanna try an actual rap.. thanks guys. lol

[glad valley]

I'm not a rapper though or that into it. I had written rap like once when I made Jester VS Clown

[worn flicker]

Krazy and Bizzy were kings of syllable chopping

[frosty cypress]

digging that sysmai

[glad valley]

once in my whole life pretty much

yeh nice one

too bad Suno is bad at bending vowels and syllables and shifting consonants

[worn flicker]

I have been called a wordsmith many times but i am not a poet and therefore not a lyricist

[glad valley]

so we can't eminem it

[worn flicker]

Rap God or Godzilla yea

[glad valley]

I dunno if I would be called a wordsmith but I'm a lyricist. Then I'm learning production, so I'm a songwriter in training

[worn flicker]

He completely enunciated every word

[verbal mortar]

I am getting so much garbage out of suno last few days. I guess the prompts i've been using don't work anymore? also...anyone else notice the audio quality isn't as good? lots of artifacts and "underwater" sounding music.

[glad valley]

well I kind of Godzilla'd the JvC

play it slow and see

[worn flicker]

You mean the flanger washout sound

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/song/b6a98940-fd59-4bf4-afe8-d885998ece12 this was my first rap song ever

[frosty cypress]

This line came out awesome man! --->"as wordsmiths we stay gettin it, fittin n splittin syllables, spittin written miracles, like fundamental lyrical minerals,"

[glad valley]

though it has more trap based sound but the lyrics be rap

[verbal mortar]

yep...it is SOOOO in my face now

[worn flicker]

I talk a lot. So that is the story. Tons of words but they aren't poetry and not necessarily written worthy. So, many have called me a wordsmith since I have convinced many things many times...lol

[worn flicker]

The best I do to combat that is break up sections and use Tempo changes

[thin flint]

I'd love to get Suno V4 early access. They gave me V2 access a year ago for being one of the first subscribers to annual pro.

[frosty cypress]

not even a rap fan but I like this, my rap extends to eminem and nf mostly.

[verbal mortar]

so just do one section at a time?

[worn flicker]

Not really, first start with Tempo changes. The sound you hear is actually called drift it is AI leftovers on long runs.

[worn flicker]

However, if you change Tempo or make silence or a break of some type it tends to cut it down

Not all the way, but a good amount

[frosty cypress]

suno needs a fav button, lol

[verbal mortar]

you mean like adding these inbetween lyrics
[Tempo Change]
[Syncopated Rhythm]

[glad valley]

if you want to get into rap metal and stuff. Falling in Reverse, Prequel, Popular Monster and then Watch the World Burn in that order

[worn flicker]

So I do that and then when it builds up too much then I go ahead and extend from that point

[worn flicker]

Yup. Even though they aren't anything to do with tempo

[glad valley]

Prequel is epic rap + operatic, Popular Monster is rap metal + rock, Watch The World Burn is battle rap, rap metal, chopping, speed rapping and heavy metal

[frosty cypress]

oh I love falling in reverse

[glad valley]

me too..Well 2019ish + vesion of them

not so much post-hardcore era

[verbal mortar]

doing something like Watch the World Burn is gonna be hard

[glad valley]

not really

I mean yes

but not really on Suno

but an actual song like that? Hell yeah difficult, I hope I get that good some day

[worn flicker]

You get what I'm saying though, the point of the Tempo Change is not even to make the change but to try and get AI to check itself

[frosty cypress]

voices in my head probably my favorite falling in reverse song, with zombified and watch the world burn right behind that.. the last resort cover was respectable.. but.. odd too

[verbal mortar]

ahhh I see. yea now I do.

[glad valley]

last resort reimagine was beautiful

Jacobi even cried listening to it

[verbal mortar]

I've tried, what came out was...horrible at best

[frosty cypress]

I know, I watched that video

[glad valley]

and the first time he heard it he was vibing it

but FIR also did Im Not A Vampire Revamped and The Drug In Me Is You, both same as Last Resort in style

Ronnie wants to stretch his singing talents and musical talents and that bastard is so good

[frosty cypress]

to me it was like disturbed doing sound of silence, to far from their typical sound for me to really love it. unlike johnny cash doing hurt and trent just is like, dude, thats your song now.

[glad valley]

FIR changed the way they make music though, now they do what they feel like

[worn flicker]

Bah

[glad valley]

and Ronnie's vocal range has gone from sounding the same in every single song to incredible range

[frosty cypress]

lol wtf was that?

[glad valley]

that was woody not liking what was typed

[worn flicker]

The app that doesn't work right

[frosty cypress]

your font was to big?

[worn flicker]

Did it actually delete my post

[glad valley]

yes

[worn flicker]

Dude. It makes errors at best

[glad valley]

yeah you just gotta deal with it though

[worn flicker]

Point is I love Sound of Silence by David. Unbelievable

[olive hornet]

do you guys number each lyric section at the side?

[worn flicker]

I first heard it when watching Blacklist

[frosty cypress]

i used to until I stopped labeling verses

[worn flicker]

No

[olive hornet]

I see.

[glad valley]

oh btw the reason I know that Suno reads speed rap like speed rap is cause I did this and then deleted it. To test if Eminems would speed rap, it did

Fill_'em_with_the_venom_and_eliminate_'em,_other_words,_I_Minute_Maid_'em_I_don't_wanna_hurt_'em,_but_I_did,_I'm_in_a_fit_of_rage,_I'm_murderin'_again,_nobody_will_evade_I'm_finna_kill_'em_and_dump_all_their_fuckin'_bodies_in_the_lake_Obliteratin'_everything,_incinerate_a_renegade,_I'm_here_to_make_anybody_who_want_it_with_the_pen_afraid_But_don't_nobody_want_it,_but_they're_gonna_get_it_anyway_'Cause_I'm_beginnin'_to_feel_like_I'm_mentally_ill,_I'm_Attila,_kill_or_be_killed,_I'm_a_killer_bee,_the_vanilla_gorilla_You_bringin'_the_killer_within_me_outta_me,_you_don't_wanna_be_the_enemy_of_the_demo_who_entered_me_And_be_on_the_receivin'_end_of_me,_what_stupidity_it'd_be,_every_bit_of_me's_the_epitome_of_a_spitter_When_I'm_in_the_vicinity,_mother****r,_you_better_duck,_or_you_finna_be_dead_the_minute_you_run_into_me_A_hunnid_percent_of_you_is_a_fifth_of_a_percent_of_me,_I'm_'bout_to_fuckin'_finish_you,_bitch,_I'm_unfadable_You_wanna_battle,_I'm_available,_I'm_blowin'_up_like_an_inflatable_I'm_undebatable,_I'm_unavoidable,_I'm_unevadable_I'm_on_the_toilet_bowl,_I_got_a_trailer_full_of_money,_and_I'm_paid_in_full,_I'm_not_afraid_to_pull_a

I needed confirmation that it understood consonants etc

(that's the end of Godzilla)

[gritty pilot]

would anyone happen to know what the issue is?

[worn flicker]

What do you mean it doesn't work?

[frosty cypress]

and idk, i just always liked bobaflex's cover of tsos better

[glad valley]

download ccleaner

[gritty pilot]

ccleaner?

[glad valley]

clear windows cache etc

[gritty pilot]

It neever generates and just times out

[worn flicker]

Nothing

[gritty pilot]

k let me try

[glad valley]

https://www.ccleaner.com/ get the free version, it's enough

[worn flicker]

Don't download CCleaner

[glad valley]

why?

[gritty pilot]

real

[frosty cypress]

you could also try difference browser, I use firefox and don't really have any issues, but have had issues in chrome

[glad valley]

it works just fine for multiple reasons

he said he did

[gritty pilot]

I've tried multiple browsers and the app

just hasnt worked

[worn flicker]

I have been fixing computers my whole life, and CCleaner has been the only tool I used that ever deleted more than needed and actually created issues

[gritty pilot]

tried my computer and my phone

[glad valley]

the app is still beta

[dusty sundial]

I'm having a bit of an issue trying to get suno to change the way a chorus is sung and when trying to do the replace section it just mimics the old one

[worn flicker]

There are others but that is not the issue

[glad valley]

but then don't click in the "warning" boxes

[frosty cypress]

trying to change lyrics or just how its sung?

[dusty sundial]

just how it's sung

[verbal mortar]

god this is f'n terrible
https://suno.com/song/5a3904ea-c5d2-4712-82e8-f10c51fb14fc

[worn flicker]

I am saying I don't recommend telling someone to download that program when you don't know how much they know. Especially if the issue is persisting across devices

[glad valley]

tried bending vowels and consonants, changing out syllables to similar sounding ones?

[frosty cypress]

tried a cover? I've used covers to fix things like that before, but changes are if its timing or singing the chorus way out from what you want, it may never fix, you could try changing how the lyrics are written to see if it "forces" it to change it.

[glad valley]

but it will literally warn them, like "this could result in windows becoming unstable or non functioning"

[worn flicker]

I'm sorry we got derailed what is happening?

[gritty pilot]

no worries, basically, it never generates and it times out

I cleared cache and still not working

[glad valley]

either way, cleaning up temp cache etc is something you can try

[gritty pilot]

I've tried the app, my phone, pc, and multiple browsers

[worn flicker]

Are you from the US?

[gritty pilot]

I cleared all cache

[gritty pilot]

yuh

[dusty sundial]

changing the words slightly worked

[glad valley]

windows web cache, temporary files, history, cookies (save the cookies you need first, back them up)

[worn flicker]

I am asking because multiple people have come in from the EU with the same issue today

[frosty cypress]

if its an issue across devices, its your internet

[crisp ingot]

Hello Friends, exist a way to improve audio quality in suno?

[glad valley]

it could just be Suno sucking too

[gritty pilot]

hold up, found the problem.

i had some lyrics it didnt like

[glad valley]

elaborate

[frosty cypress]

rofl!

[gritty pilot]

teehee

[frosty cypress]

welcome to my world

[worn flicker]

I was going to suggest changing networks

[gritty pilot]

what does that mean

[crisp ingot]

@glad valley hello

[frosty cypress]

roll on floor laughing.. is that not used anymore, am I that old?

[gritty pilot]

yeah, I just put some lyrics that werent acccepted in it. but it didnt say that was the reason. Usually it does

[gritty pilot]

You are very old, yes

[worn flicker]

That has been the most common thing

[frosty cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[gritty pilot]

well thanks for the help anyway man

[glad valley]

It's funny "You're dead" is forbidden from being used in lyrics and is called a "producer tag", like what?...I can change it to your dead and it's fine. Or I can say "flay you with my finger nails, frying you like bacon n eggs"

[gritty pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777590827237113906/817551467761893386/1c708022-7898-4121-9968-0f0d24b8f986-1.gif

[glad valley]

and it wont mind

so not like "You're dead" is so bad, I wonder why it's a producer tag?

[worn flicker]

People have gotten irritated when they were told it was because of their lyrics so I tried to steer away from that first...lol

[glad valley]

I have some pretty offensive lyrics out there and none has ever not worked

I dont post them on discord

[verbal mortar]

I think I'm going to stop for today before i put my fist thru my computer. LOL. Suno is sucking hard this week., it's SOOOO off the mark on song styles.

[glad valley]

but they're still there

[unique stone]

I've not heard this particular producer tag but there have been instances of Suno generating bits of sound that are very close to existing producer tags. I think they want to avoid people deliberately triggering that. But like I said, I have never heard that specific tag. It's a bit annoying - you can get around it by mis-spelling it but phonetically making it sound the same.

[frosty cypress]

suno's lyric censoring is weird.. can have a line talking about eating ass in one song, but not smacking an ass in another because of the "tone" of the song

and a lot of times adding a random comma fixes the issue

[elder dune]

I tried making a song the other day with a persona and got a message saying it was against the content moderation policy .. then I used the exact same lyrics, but without the persona and just a style prompt and it worked fine.

And the words weren't even that bad..

[glad valley]

try typing in several ones like "heavy metal symphonic emo punk rock hardcore fusion" and then you can begin a verse etc with [heavy metal verse] then [metal symphonic verse], [punk rock verse], [symphonic emo punk chorus], [punk rock hardcore bridge] or a better structured cluster of genre words that can be assembled in different strings

[elder dune]

https://suno.com/song/647c4a3b-6e1d-41c3-b511-c6396773d414

[glad valley]

and you can get some fascinating stuff

[elder dune]

The song in question

[verbal mortar]

i'll give it a shot

[frosty cypress]

omg, most offensive song ever

[elder dune]

Right? 💩💩🤯

[glad valley]

just come up with whatever order can create the most kind of genres

[frosty cypress]

it probably thought you were talking about pooping on people?

[glad valley]

also for vocals do like "deep evil baritone male voice"

to get a specific sound

[elder dune]

Right but it generated fine as soon as I stopped trying to use the personal I had created

That's what's weird

[gritty pilot]

what, that's stupid, just change your lyrics, or spell the word in a way it cant detect

[frosty cypress]

what was the other song about, did it look at the lyrics of both and be like, yeah.. no...

[verbal mortar]

slightly ...and i mean SLIGHTLY...better
https://suno.com/song/82ce19c4-2d8e-4711-8389-e8f74967d34c

[worn flicker]

If yall don't mind, if yall want to keep posting songs and stuff that is all good but it is becoming enough to flood the tech channel, would ya'll mind removing the embed when you do post one please.

[glad valley]

you can also just add like "vocal fry"

etc

[frosty cypress]

how remove embed?

[glad valley]

hold shift click X

on the embed box

[frosty cypress]

gotcha. thanks

[worn flicker]

Yes, I am unsure as to why, but many come in steaming already. Since they sometimes think that we work for Suno

[gritty pilot]

haha, peak

[elder dune]

Ok, maybe I'm not explaining this right .. I created a persona from another song that had generated fine and had no offensive words at all - not even "poop" haha .. then I punched in the lyrics for "everybody poops" and got the content warning. Then, I kept the exact same lyrics, poop and everything, took the persona off the prompt [so it wasn't using the persona any more], filled in the style with "old school thrash metal" and got the song I linked, no problem. It only refused to generate when I tried to use the persona. Everything else was exactly the same

[gritty pilot]

should send them a terrible remake of their lyrics and say this will work

[worn flicker]

You can add <...> around your link before you post it that stops the embed from ever happening

[frosty cypress]

ok, you all inspired me, going to try a rap now

[gritty pilot]

let me know once you're done

[worn flicker]

Lol. I am not going to tell them how to circumvent Suno's rules in the technical channel...haha

[gritty pilot]

haha

valid

[frosty cypress]

it will be awhile, never try to write rhyming that close, lol

[glad valley]

here is an example of making up a genre by using two separate ones or adding an adjective or verb in front of it (Symphonic Avant-Core, Sanatorium Darksynth, Sanctum Metal)
https://suno.com/song/214232f3-4d04-4223-974d-7bdf6e8693b5

[gritty pilot]

Naw, freestyle. I do it all the time with my friends

[worn flicker]

You from the south?

[glad valley]

which resulted in the refrain "Am I a cheater? (Death!)" with the death part coming with a synth sound

[elder dune]

That's pretty good!

[gritty pilot]

potato patato

[frosty cypress]

I've done one freestyle, wasn't really a rap song though, just a very angry metal song

[worn flicker]

I'm from the south, and in my younger days I used to do a lot of freestyling and I'm a white boy...lol

[glad valley]

thanks, was more of an experiment 😄 I don't have a lot of songs on my page...but they're either pop for the sake of showing people how easy it is to write pop...and the rest more aggressive

[gritty pilot]

It's so fun, you can get some real gems

[worn flicker]

Especially when feeding off verses

Eminem then comes around and wrecks Earth

[gritty pilot]

REAL

[frosty cypress]

@worn flicker hope you don't mind, going to take a lot of inspiration from tip of the cap for this first attempt, in terms of pacing, syllable setup, etc

[glad valley]

This was how I began the instrumentals for Eternal Twilight Reimagined (https://suno.com/song/2a5b7099-f8f1-4e19-98dd-d8c0d9e6311c) which was then cropped to like 30 seconds, followed by a extension at which point the below switched to lyrics.

[#: [Genre: Acoustic, Gothic Metal/Gothic Rock]] [#: [Sub-Genre: Cello Darksynth]] [#: [Styles: Expressive Instrumentals, Melodic Intensity, Vocal Side-Chain]] [#: [Tonic: C Minor]] [#: [Tune: Gothic Ballad, Haunting Voice, Church Reverb, Piano Melody]] [#: [Meter: 3/4]] [#: [Tuning: F#-F#-G-G-A-A ]] [#: [Instruments: Acoustic Guitar, Light Distortion Electric Guitar, base guitar, drums, string quartet]] [#: [Arrangement: Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Post-Chorus, Verse 2, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Post-Chorus, Bridge, Final Chorus]] [#: [Composition: Sorrow, Desperate Longong, Resignation, Surrender to Darkness, Yielding Depression]] [#: [Production: Gothic, Melancholy, Aggression]] [#: [Vocal Octave: Baritone]] [#: [Vocal Style: Deep, Subtle Vocal Fry, Cautious Grit, Resonating Sorrow]] [#: [Play Styles: Acoustic Guitar with Reverb, Emotionally heart-wrenching Gothic Electric Guitar Riff, Melodic Drum Ballad, Base Guitar, String Quartet]]

I never finished it though, cause I ran out of subtime and cba to mess around with my invite credits when v4 is around the corner

or maybe it was more like 15 seconds actually

I think I'll remove the vocals and sing them myself at some point

[worn flicker]

Everyone needs inspiration. No problem.

[glad valley]

Don't forget you can create a lot of the song in metatags like that

if you build a starting track with just that and no lyrics and then use it as an extension or cover. You can get the "feel" you want

[frosty cypress]

i've had a few things close to a rap style doing numetal, but never like full on rap so, new to me.

[worn flicker]

Sure, if you look at my profile I do a lot of Female Vocals and mixed Genres. I love Overlapping lyrics like Broadway, but Suno is no where near being able to run even two sets of lyrics at the same time. A decent amount of my songs I either have to change or force them to go a certain direction because my normal rhyming scheme prompts rap.

[glad valley]

What do you mean?

cant run two sets of lyrics?

[worn flicker]

Correct, can't run two sets of lyrics at the same time

[glad valley]

What do you mean?

[frosty cypress]

i've been experimenting with a duet with a friend of mine, My verses in more 5 syllable rhymes, hers is more story with 12 syllable rhymes. its doing okay with that, the biggest trouble is half way through the song it gets confused on who is supposed to sing what and it starts mixing up the lyrics

[worn flicker]

Listen to a Broadway song, or even the cartoon Encanto, Overlapping lyrics and vocals that sing the same song. Stacked up to six deep.

When they split apart and come back together it is incredible

[glad valley]

so people singing over each other or taking turns?

[worn flicker]

Over

But in between

[glad valley]

Well Suno can do that with personas

[worn flicker]

Nope

Suno can try

But fail

[frosty cypress]

maybe do a cover? and the split out hte vocal tracks and lay them over outside suno?

[glad valley]

https://suno.com/song/81244169-73c0-4c0a-8a54-0697fbeb7002 well it can easily do back and forth, I'm leaving the embed for easy listening for now.

[worn flicker]

Yes, I am not saying I can't do it...lol. I am saying that Suno can't

I know how to do the Duet mid lyric swap

[frosty cypress]

lol yeah, gotcha, i've had some things close to this when using a "chorus" or "choir" tag, but not consistant enough to be usable

[glad valley]

he failed to pronounce"well boy" though

I dunno how

[worn flicker]

I am saying that Suno can't run two sets of lyrics simultaneously. So it definitely can't do 6 stacked

Swapping is just walking it onto the duet

[glad valley]

I dunno...There's a few options

backing vocals stacked with regular

[worn flicker]

You show me and I'll call myself stupid right here and right now

[glad valley]

I forget where the song is I did it in but I know it WAS at least possible

i'll find it tomorrow

it's 2am and I've been up 50 hours

I'm waiting to fall asleep

[worn flicker]

No problem. I am always willing to learn. I just can tell you that the way Suno builds audio files doesn't even separate then instrument from the Vocals. It will not run an entire Verse stacked on an entire verse at the same time for any amount of time. If so then I haven't seen or heard it. Unless it is uploaded

[glad valley]

I know

[worn flicker]

Oh, so what am I being shown then...lol

[glad valley]

but you can run background vocal prompt, and then a regular one

[worn flicker]

Tomorrow

[glad valley]

and it should sing the backgrounds in the background

[worn flicker]

Yes, that I know

[glad valley]

or vice versa

[worn flicker]

(...), {...}

[glad valley]

the background ones won't sound as focused though

I said vice versa cause I can't remember which one comes first. It's hard to think right now

[worn flicker]

I have ran numerous duets and others like it. Swapping mid lyrics. One or two are public.

What i am talking about is very unique and amazing

[lost scaffold]

What are the supposed improvements coming w/ v4? I can't find anything online.

[glad valley]

that they're not talking about it is actually concerning me a bit, that they only show a audio file

[worn flicker]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Joss did a great musical, if you have seen it then you have seen a version. Of what I mean

[glad valley]

I hate that episode

and I despise Whedon

He's a good writer, but a terrible person

[worn flicker]

Whedon sucks at life

But a great writer

[glad valley]

not great...good, not great

[charred merlin]

Only the #📢┃announcements post so far

[worn flicker]

Oh I go with great

[glad valley]

all his stories end up the same more or less

[worn flicker]

Look at the first Avengers

[glad valley]

which wasn't even fully written by him

[frosty cypress]

i loved that episode, always liked spikes songs

[worn flicker]

It is the Giles and Tara part that I adore

[charred merlin]

Might be a conversation for #🗣️┃chill-chat?

[worn flicker]

The reprise

[frosty cypress]

i died, so many years ago!!.

:?

[worn flicker]

It has been like this for a while.

We can cool it

[frosty cypress]

not ever sure how we got down this path.

[glad valley]

If I resub, I should probably over this with lyrics https://suno.com/song/69f06558-b944-4e37-8137-26ba6f68ab57

[frosty cypress]

oh, doing duets and stuff, thats how we got here

[worn flicker]

Yes, we got here honestly...lol

[charred merlin]

I can see -- I popped in to see if anyone needed help, and tech chat is jumping!

[glad valley]

I gladly share most of my secrets

[frosty cypress]

sorry, tech questions lead to othr convo's. we will chill

[glad valley]

including that you can type in guitar tabs

[worn flicker]

This is a actual tech discussion though, I was saying suno can't run two sets of lyrics at the same time

[pale mica]

do tell

[glad valley]

I have, for a few hours

[lost scaffold]

Hopeful that some of the grain in vocals will be reduced. Also hope we can recreate sections longer than 30 sec. That would be game changing.

[worn flicker]

Your Underscore information is new to me, thank you for that

[glad valley]

np ^^

brb reboot

https://suno.com/song/faea8cd4-d05c-407c-90d3-779e40305638 enjoy this for now, feel free to extend if you like the sound

[worn flicker]

Yea there is not any info about v4 there wasn't even an announcement about its development from what I read, just the knowledge that they are obviously not going to stop...lol

Before today I mean

[lost scaffold]

🤞v3.5 was huge. Hoping for the same. An upscale feature would be lit too.

[worn flicker]

Just going off persona and cover, this should be something to get excited about

By that I mean the obvious vocal quality difference and belting ability

Vibrato, chorus harmonies happening when they should and not the whole chorus. It took me a lot of messing around to get that to happen before cover and persona

[glad valley]

well they've been beta testing some of it on 3.5

stealthily

[worn flicker]

Right, persona and cover

[glad valley]

which is why it breaks so much these days

no I mean things you have no control over

they change the model itself with new training data

breaking prompts that always worked before or screwing up lyrics that always worked before, hallucinating more

jumping around

[worn flicker]

Yes, you can tell that by the rotating issues.

[glad valley]

yep

that irritates me, they shouldn't charge us to beta test

[worn flicker]

We not dummies in here...lol. that is why we are in here...lol

[glad valley]

the beta test model should be separate and probably the only one available to free users

so in exchange for using the service for free, they test it

[worn flicker]

That is the nature of AI

Well AI today

[glad valley]

well no you don't have to submit your paying customers to beta test

you can split it into 3.5 and "beta"

[worn flicker]

I should say LLMs and other natural language models

[worn flicker]

One off topic sentence: that got my crawl for the longest time, I lost it when I saw Steam start selling betas...I'm like what...we are doing them a favor.....

[glad valley]

I was so proud of myself when I turned my SD 1.5 model into pure natural language so much that it got used as a foundation for prompt processing for all big models around

[worn flicker]

I beta tested for a long time, and my days are the ones of people getting paid to test games...lol. They really figured out how to work people.

I never let my kids buy a beta

[lost scaffold]

Perhaps this is plausible now with them opening up to International and Android users.

[worn flicker]

Ok no more off topic. You sleep as you said. Screens make you stay awake. I'm gonna work on a song. Nice chat

[glad valley]

they wanted its ability for natural language and the diverse art styles. It would understand "Powerful goddess with swirling vortex of dark oozing energy, wearing bone armor and crowned by bones growing from her skull, pale skin and yellow eyes, onyx colored veins creeping across her body, mist covered necropolis in background" etc etc. Instead of "1woman, bone armor, pale, somethng_with_hair etc etc" stupid stuff

and it could hold weapons, it could have characters battle and stab each other, it almost always had five digits

always 2 arms 2 legs

I know it's off topic but just wanted to brag about it

[worn flicker]

It is impressive to get a one shot with all correct digits and anatomy in 1.5 without Loras so, I acknowledge your brag. Now we finish...lol

[glad valley]

Yes, thank you ;D

I wonder what LLM that Suno uses

I mean the LLM is the front end

[worn flicker]

I think it may use a GPT

[charred merlin]

Has this been stated somewhere, or conjecture?

As one of the alpha testers, this is literally the first I'm hearing about separate models being a/b tested.

[glad valley]

considering pretty much everyone I know that uses Suno suddenly has their identical prompts fail. Suddenly the song they've generated without issue 20 times in the past is now so broken. Observable things. Even if it's not the model, then it's the LLM

if they train the LLM and change it, then how it processes prompts will change

doesn't have to mean the model itself has changed, but the LLM probably has

[worn pilot]

anyone know how to fix the problem that suno fail to create any music?

[frosty cypress]

I had that happen a lot a few days ago when extending

[worn flicker]

Lyrics have been the biggest factor in that recently

I have had it happen intermittently though

[glad valley]

or the LLM, is the easier answer

they do need to update the LLM if they have a new model coming out and improve its accuracy etc

cause I do agree with @charred merlin that its very unlikely they are changing the actual generative model. It would have to be the LLM

[glacial scarab]

I am not sure I understand what you are talking about. Can you explain what the LLM does in suno?

[worn flicker]

The only thing i know that it does is the lyrics part

When it generates lyrics

[glad valley]

large language model, it processes your inputs (tokens) and translates it to information to provide the model with in how to generate what you are asking it for

that's not what I'm talking about

it's how it understands and interprets prompts

[worn flicker]

Bark isn't an LLM when it comes to the way tokens are processed

Suno spun off Bark

[glacial scarab]

someone is confusing the tokenizer with the LLM itself here

[worn flicker]

Bark doesn't even start with noise from my understanding.

[glad valley]

okay

[glacial scarab]

Bark is an LLM

[glad valley]

but either way, something is being done to the front end

[glacial scarab]

an LLM trained to output encodec audio tokens

[worn flicker]

Hmm.. must have read the documentation wrong

[worn pilot]

I was creating instrumental music, so there is no lyrics to blame🥲

[worn flicker]

I'm not trying to be a know it all, I want to know where I am mistaken. From documentation Bark is a transformer a unique tokenizer that makes text to audio conversions.

Bark is fully generative text-to-audio model devolved for research and demo purposes. It follows a GPT style architecture similar to AudioLM and Vall-E and a quantized Audio representation from EnCodec. It is not a conventional TTS model, but instead a fully generative text-to-audio model capable of deviating in unexpected ways from any given script. Different to previous approaches, the input text prompt is converted directly to audio without the intermediate use of phonemes. It can therefore generalize to arbitrary instructions beyond speech such as music lyrics, sound effects or other non-speech sounds.

[glad valley]

Not sure if you're being sincere or a sarcastic smartass...Either way, you don't know what prompts I'm even using

[unkempt monolith]

So i saw the announcement for v4. I guess my question is what exactly is updated or added to the current model? how is it actually different?

[worn flicker]

That is from Github

[glad valley]

They haven't said anything about it

and v4 was kind of obvious all the time

I hope they hold some keynotes

I didn't...I told you I didn't mean the generative model, but the llm

What the hell

[unkempt monolith]

I guess im just asking cause without really any technical notes, its no different than slapping a new number next to the current model. I imagine it probably has more training data at the very least?

[glad valley]

I can't deal with passive aggressive bs...

[glacial scarab]

LLM and Transformer do not exclude each other

[worn flicker]

Oh. OK, I'll look into it

[worn flicker]

I am moving into the direction of AI as a developer so if I am mistaken I need to know about it...I appreciate input

[glacial scarab]

You can also look into AudioLM i think it's what bark is largely based on with some changes of course

[worn flicker]

Yes, in the documentation that snippet I posted those are links, I'll do that

I asked ChatGPT and it also said it wasn't so then it must be deep

[glad valley]

harmonai still around? ^^

[worn flicker]

As of now, all spins of Bark, AudioLM are not LLMs I don't know if you care or not it may just be me...lol. Vall-e is the closest to an LLM in the set. Even it isn't actually an LLM. I have to keep all this crap straight

Now I want to ask a developer that understands some places I am gapped.

Oh I know a professor that I did my senior Project with that got her PhD in this stuff. I'll ask her.

[proven dew]

I hope that bug get fixed in V4, its so annoying

[untold briar]

Bark is sort of an LLM. It's based on NanoGPT, which was an normal LLM, adapter to generate/predict audio tokens for a token based audio codec, instead of output tokens that are converted back into human text. You can even use Bark generatively, like an LLM. It does not work well at all, BUT IT IS VERY VERY FUNNY https://x.com/jonathanfly/status/1650001584485552130

[glacial scarab]

If I've been using the wrong term all this time let me know though. But see above for some more info

[frosty cypress]

can we get refunds for this ? lmao https://suno.com/song/c0a0922b-b2fc-4450-86b6-3511a3dff24e

[worn flicker]

I did read about the nanoGPT. I am mostly keeping things separated and discerning the difference between semantics and important to acknowledge these things. It's why I emailed my old professor. Bark is another topic. From what I have read, Bark does not generate from Noise like stable diffusion or even some other text to audio methods. I read that it is created in latent space creating as it goes. This is very interesting to me. Thanks.

[worn flicker]

I had that happen...haha. I think a demon may have taken those credits chief...lol

[frosty cypress]

lol, not the first time its happened, but probably the creepiest sound its given me.

[worn flicker]

Yea that was creepy

[frosty cypress]

last time it did that i was working on a song called "hell bound" so that somewhat made sense

[worn flicker]

Yea you just go with it

[untold briar]

Yes, most audio models in the past worked differently, often like image models including diffusion. Bark was pretty unusual at the time as one of the few that worked in pure tokens like a language model. There are more models like that now. And to make things even more complicated, there are now diffusion models that generate tokens, even for language models, so it's all kind of getting mixed together lol

[worn flicker]

Awesome. Thank you

[frosty cypress]

@worn flicker so far this is the fastest i've been able to get it on my writing, still just testing it, lyrics aren't done, but like some of the speeds I achieved here https://suno.com/song/97a12646-b537-4ad6-ac15-85e8e84638c7

[worn flicker]

Sounds great. I suggest doing a tempo change Syncopated Rhythm at the chorus and the another another with Polyrhythmic Percussion to prompt it back to the off beat that you are at. You can even throw out some steady beat to get those syllables to pop in between beats. Adds a whole rhythmic part that makes the flow sound faster if it hits right.

[worn flicker]

Also, in the chorus use less commas to get it to go faster and longer

[frosty cypress]

i tried the changes you had, [Tempo Change] [Polyrhythmic Percussion]
Pre-Chorus] and [Tempo Change] [Syncopated Rhythm]
[Chorus] and it would sing polyrmthic and syncopated in the song.

[worn flicker]

You have to put it on the side of the section title to avoid that, and even then it is still gonna happen around 10% of the time

[frosty cypress]

yeah, still working on chorus, once I got the verse done I just kind of wrote a pretty dirty chorus to test with

[frosty cypress]

ok, ill try that,

[worn flicker]

Since your style is metal then you want enunciation and that is being done well, good job. I like the voice matching up with the beat. Just like the stutter I suggest using vowel expansion or general word expansion to maybe hold a screamed ending to a Verse.
Going to create, It's my fate, Not a debate, can't violate, or deflate, with your (ha-aaaaaaa-aaattte)

Many times that will make it hold and the next Verse will start while the extended word is still going

You can also try {...} but that in my experience tells suno it can skip the word if it would mix up the flow

[frosty cypress]

yeah, i've been working on the end of the verse, from extending it with more rhymes, to echos, to scream, but really like the beat I got on that one, so may build a persona from it and work from that as I finish it

2 more day though 😉

[worn flicker]

For sure, then in that case, it is awesome. The creative process rolls, gotta roll with it, I feel that. You have a sound in your head. Gotta get that out...lol

There is no question that if I ran out of credits I would immediately buy more. Suno is becoming a problem for me...lol.

[frosty cypress]

same here, but i have already spent like 120 this month ontop of my subscription soooooo.... need to chill a bit

[worn flicker]

Oh dang...yea I ain't done all that...haha

[untold briar]

There is no rule against multiple paid Suno accounts. It's way cheaper than the "Extra Credits" if you have a heavy Suno month. They really need toupdate those Extra Credit prices, so if that 120 is all Extra Credits, I really recommend using overlow Suno accounts instead, way more efficient unless you are going just a little bit over your cap!

[frosty cypress]

yeah, i probably will, kinda nuts that 30 a month gets me 10000, but 30 on credits only gets me 4000

[worn flicker]

That is a great tip. Is it bad we had to be told that?...lol we all should have picked up on these things...haha

[charred merlin]

Extra credits don't expire, so you're not beholden to credits expiring at the end of your billing cycle, but if you know that you'll use more and think to cancel the subscriptions before the end of the month, it's a better value to get multiple paid accounts 💪

[frosty cypress]

its just an organizational thing for me, don't want to have to remember what account a specific song is on

speaking or organizational things in suno.. man I want a folder structure to organize my songs..

[untold briar]

I actually always subscribe at the 2500 tier. If I have a month where I am busy and not using Suno much, I stay on 2500. But if I have a heavy Suno month, I can upgrade mid month to 10000 for 12500 total that month, for $40. And only rarely have I needed overflow accounts, but I have used one occasionally.

[frosty cypress]

that is a good idea

[worn flicker]

Yes, a good way to use a fluid subscription

[frosty cypress]

I had a couple of months where i didn't use suno so lost 20,000 credits

[worn flicker]

I have not been a subscriber long. However, do I seem like an amateur...lol. These things are my jam, if it is something to figure out, then I am on it in my spare time. I love pushing AI to its limits. Like getting SD to generate a person doing a handstand without a Lora

[untold briar]

It is annoying to split Suno libraries. But also Suno library is not very usable when you have a lot of songs. I'm sure that is temporary, but right now, almost wish I was more split haha.

[charred merlin]

🫗 ✌️

[frosty cypress]

yeah, folder structures would help, folder for completed, folder for ones your working on, etc.

[worn flicker]

If you go to FoggyX they have multiple accounts. The second account has the other accounts playlists on it. If I am seeing it right. Only one song on the main page. Either that or they made a way to hide songs from the main screen in playlist which would be a folder structure

[frosty cypress]

i've noticed, you can have a public playlist that will show songs in it that arn't public

[untold briar]

For a short period, I used a browser tool that added a unique word to the title of every song, and I would change the word basically once a day, or every sit down work "session" but I didn't keep it up. It worked okay for pulling up "those songs I was working on last week" in the library.

[worn flicker]

Well maybe that is how

[worn flicker]

I can see how that would get confusing. However it seems as if sessions are not the primary focus for developers considering everything is SSO, it seems like all that can be outsourced, is, to focus on features.

[untold briar]

Actually before Suno had library search, frustrated looking for a song I just couldn't find, I channeled the frustration into a crazy weekend project making a super hacky library search https://github.com/JonathanFly/chirp-studio but it broke every time Suno updated their website, and then Suno did add a library search that at least covered the basics, so it's long dead now.

well now that I think about it, it was before suno had public songs, or searchable style tags. So the main reason I wanted it was to literally search my library for examples of specific style tags to figure out what they were doing, since that was actually IMPOSSIBLE between V1 and whenever Suno launched profiles, since V2 was web only

[worn flicker]

I didn't even see it until version 3, I was deep in SD and life stuff the other versions. I heard about bark but this stuff is moving so fast it's insane. I never thought we would need so much VRAM not being used for games or hooking for more hashing power

[graceful condor]

"this stuff is moving so fast it's insane" I feel like the technologial power doubles every six months but that window is getting SHORTER so the power grows exponentially now

like it just builds on its own momentum

[visual acorn]

is there any way to avoid hissing in the vocals..its too harsh!

[untold briar]

The simplest method right now is actually to not worry about until you are done, then Cover you own song to fix the voice. This is pretty reliable, as long as your song is short enough to Cover.

[frosty cypress]

yeah, i was born in 1984.. watched all this shit happen, been pretty incredible. was made fun of as a kid for being on a computer, now the entire world is buried in technology

[visual acorn]

yeah RX works...but thats another step..

yeah yeah..

[untold briar]

Cover can recreate a song almost exactly the same, but cleaner voice and audio. Not 100% of the time, sometimes a song just doesn't seem to work out, but often enough that I think it's a good default workflow. It is possible to be really careful and keep voice quality very high all the time, but uses a lot of credits and sweat, and it means you can't just pick the best music or song, always have to pay attention to quality, and keep both high the whole time

[brazen warren]

Hi, I'm trying to “hum” a melody and have Suno take that melody and put instruments to it. The problem is that Suno doesn't always “stick” to the melody, sometimes he can “improvise” and I don't want that. Is there any way to force Suno to follow my melody?

[untold briar]

Probably yes, but there's no simple answer. Suno is often supposed to take inspiration, usually if it's doesn't change things at all, that is more boring. But if you retry different methods and pick the ones that keep the melody the same, you should be able to get a song eventually.

You could also try uploading a longer version with the melody repeated in it (with audio editor) but that might make Suno too stubborn.

What you want ideally is to associate a text prompt with the melody, just like a chorus in a song, and then be able to prompt that and Suno repeats it more reliably. But this is tricky with uploads and especially if there are no words.

Oh, one more thing to try, maybe try Extending the Upload with a blank style prompt and blank lyrics (use space only).

[frosty cypress]

aah suno why! lol, did good till your started repeating bars

[brazen warren]

I'm gonna try extending the base audio

[untold briar]

Oh, in case this wasn't clear: if you are using multiple short extensions, you may have to Get Whole Song to make sure the melody is actually in the musical memory of Suno, if it happened to not be used in a particular Extension in the time before you Extended it again.

[brazen warren]

Uhm

I didn't got that

[untold briar]

Yeah Suno could make it a lot more obvious for sure. Easy to forget for users who have been around for a long time, since it had a been a thing for so long.

[brazen warren]

I'm getting more consistent results when I'm using a larger uploaded audio. Now it follows the melody but it improvises the 'connections' between parts and similar things.

[untold briar]

So when you Extend from an "Part 3", Suno only has memory of the time from the beginning of part 3, up to your Extend From time. And the maximum memory is 2:00. If you Get Whole Song, all the song parts are in one long clip. This also has a limit of 2:00, but all the parts are together. There is also the Crop feature, so if you Get Whole Song, but now you too much memory, you can Crop it.

[brazen warren]

I'm only doing part 2 at the moment because the results are sometimes not some consistent since part 2 so

[untold briar]

In general, longer audio is "stronger" and less likely to be changed by Suno, and shorter audio is "weaker" and more likely to be changed. Not just Uploads, just anything. So if you find the song too repetitive, not creative, and you want to change the music more, then you want shorter memory.

[brazen warren]

Yep. It was changing almost all the harmony and the song was pretty different

Now it almost feel like a cover

[glacial palm]

literally this is what made me stop using 10 free 5-songs a day account and buy pro and i never looked back for a second

this replace section is going to be the end of me-- im a perfectionist and now i cant stop making all these 30-second side quests in the middle where there were parts i didnt like

then its like oh well now i've gotta make the rest of the song that dope

and before i know it ive changed the lyrics 100% and it's a different damn song lmao

[frosty cypress]

lol i totally get that, or burnt so many credits just trying to fix things

[glacial palm]

dude i just generated like 50 30 second clips and it charged me 5 credits?

if u spendin credits like that, then i cant even imagine how picky you must be! hah!

..or maybe,... i cant imagine how GOOD THOSE SONGS ARE 🙁🤯🤯

[frosty cypress]

well, mostly reruns on persona or cover trying to get that perfect sound, or the times when it gives me the perfect music, but sings it as female so i cover 20 times trying to get the right male tone

[proven cedar]

Put “female voice” on exceptions prompt and it always cover with male voice

[frosty cypress]

i have female voice in exceptions and male vocals in style, and still get female a lot (I write like a chick i guess)

[proven cedar]

For me , in most of cases, it fixes . I get mad when it does a great couber with female voice LOL

[frosty cypress]

right now im trying to figure out rap timing, burnt through a lot on this for testing, lmao (im normaly rock/metal so this was a fun experiment) fastest so far, https://suno.com/song/3f9efe13-0ff3-4a8b-a6bf-638049339794

[proven cedar]

Sometimes suno acts like an undomitable beast

[frosty cypress]

i just watched that video, lol whats with the random numbers in the lyrics? thats not in the song..

[elfin storm]

Hi

[frosty cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

[elfin storm]

I want to ask you what the song was like at the same time?

[frosty cypress]

what do you mean?

[elfin storm]

Delete the wrong song and don't want to press manually, I want the same?

[frosty cypress]

check your garbage? top right in the library

[glacial palm]

oh dude i do metal tooo

except i was actually a drummer for a touring thrash/metalcore band for almost 10 years.

went to berklee college of music, and musician's institute, the whole 9

[frosty cypress]

nice! I jump between metal, nu-metal, and some more acoustic style stuff

[elfin storm]

How do I want to delete the wrong song and delete it at the same time, not one by one?

What to print on the PC

[glacial palm]

i do metal and rap, and i have a penchant for the really REALLY over-the-top lyrics like the most brutal hardcore or the funniest wildest shit no one would ever say in a billion years lmfao it's like infant annihilator or attilla

[frosty cypress]

a lot of mine are very specific to me and my life, most are pretty dark, and some way over the top (like the bdsm song I did for a friend)

[glacial palm]

acoustic stuff? hah! i do some of it too but i always have an edge of comedy to my shit that i make just for me lol

or i do covers.

like this:

[frosty cypress]

I intend to record my own vocals for my songs and release them

[glacial palm]

https://suno.com/song/80d28c4c-0e82-43dc-95f8-39410222a97e

[elfin storm]

yes from the library do not press one by one

[frosty cypress]

click 1, hold shift, then click another further down

[glacial palm]

thats dope if i didn't have a compeltely balls voice i'd do this. im a drummer bro lol

[elfin storm]

Thanks

[frosty cypress]

nice!, do you ever listen to leo on youtube (frogleap)

[glacial palm]

of course lmao

my band did awesome metal covers too back in the day

we did beat it before even fall out boy did it. when we released ours it was us and raintime and that was it

back in 07

[frosty cypress]

mine are shit too, but i figure with the help of autotune and ai fixes i can make it work

[glacial palm]

i still wouldn't have my voice out there even with a vocoder and tuned down 2 full steps because i hate the sound of my own voice lmao you're a brave man sir no fkn thanks

[frosty cypress]

haven't done any covers yet, want to do one of fleetwood mac - chain

[glacial palm]

oh dude we did beastie boys fight for ur right to party

and beat it...

and more human than human

annnnd... PST 88

you know that one?

[frosty cypress]

haven't listened to pantera in awhile but yeah

[glacial palm]

it's super easy, i did the arrangements on all of ours. literally just played with distorted guitars, double bass through the whole song, and screamed vox. check, done, send it!! haha

[frosty cypress]

kinda digging I miss blockbuster

[glacial palm]

omfg i dont even know what i have public ive made like 5000 songs but literally have never showed anyone except like my brother i forgot i wrote that song ahahahahahaha

[frosty cypress]

lol its pretty cool

and yes.. f lizo

[glacial palm]

i was thinking about doing like my opinion on current events but in deathcore songs with a girl singer

like with rap in there

lol

so ive got ones like "dear white people: please stop telling people your opinion on the middle east, you're embarrassing the rest of us"

[frosty cypress]

my heaviest song atm, less singing and more just angry screaming, was just venting when I wrote it, wasn't really even trying to rhyme anything.. https://suno.com/song/13ad2533-428f-4411-904e-0079ee77e333

[glacial palm]

or like when the plot from jaws literally happened in texas--- on the actual 4th of july last year.. and nobody was talking about it like wtf man how is no one putting this together-- and THEN IT HAPPENED AGAIN ON THE SAME DAY

[glacial palm]

lemme peep it-- and no worries, you aint gotta rhyme metal homie-- the more abstract the metaphor, the better

[frosty cypress]

i've done one political song, trying to avoid it though, world is too polarized atm

[glacial palm]

that was kinda the point of doing it, like take the thing a lot of us are thinking and just outright say it-- the more ridiculous the better

[frosty cypress]

some one is making woodhouse angry 😉

[glacial palm]

HAHA

i dont even know what i said except the subject matter was kinda sketchy

[frosty cypress]

well you cant say f***

[glacial palm]

bro i cant say the president-elects name?hahahaha

[frosty cypress]

oh wow

[glacial palm]

thats so good

im dying laughing bro

[frosty cypress]

im going to put his name in a song

wana see if it will make it.

[glacial palm]

how big of a jackass do you have to be to have anyone make your name a bad word? ahahahahaha

oh it will

[frosty cypress]

yeah it did it. lol funny

[glacial palm]

because i dunno how old u are... but u remember back in the 90s how if you pierced only your right ear and were a guy you'd get made fun of that you like other dudes?

well when he got bang banged

i was like oh he pierced his right ear

so made a song like "guys i think i can prove DJT likes dudes"