📚┃suno-school

[naive quail]

The Art of Confusing Suno

I will get my goats... one day. We already know there are horses in the training data.

[cedar oxide]

Another bug https://suno.com/song/bc174d7a-b061-4984-9236-4c1fac39db5d

[naive quail]

::sigh:: I've apparently accidentally deleted the horse

[charred merlin]

real photo of Toker

[naive quail]

lol

Found on page 1058 of the trash!

[naive quail]

Suno's native language 😄

[cedar oxide]

yeah, lol

[lone thunder]

Website: https://suno.com/, enter lyrics, genre, title and click “create” but the site never creates a song. How can I fix this problem?

[charred merlin]

Do you have credits available? This example shows 50 credits, which means "Create" could be clicked 5 times (10 credits per click, credits refresh daily for free plans)

[subtle rivet]

Hello to you
Is there a way to separate vocals from the music?

[charred merlin]

The “get stems” option available to pro and premiere users is an early access feature that does this, but alternatively you can use external tools — my go-to recommendation for Stem Splitting and audio editing is the BandLab suite — completely free, no limits, and professionally-graded

#📚┃suno-school message

[subtle rivet]

Thank you for the reply, I will try it 👏

[lone thunder]

I have 540 credits,

[steel crescent]

Is it actually possible to do "Throat singing" on Suno? I would like to do a Nordic song like Wardruna or Heilung do. Prefer to ask before going for a -2500 credits for nothing

[charred merlin]

Hrm, that's peculiar -- can you show what the screen looks like when you're trying to click "Create"?

[charred merlin]

I've heard a lot of complications in trying to prompt it -- I would wager that "throat singing" might make sense to us, but could be interpreted incredibly vague by Suno -- "hrm... isn't all singing done with the throat?"

Perhaps there are different synonyms we can use to represent "throat singing", perhaps cultural or musical terms?

[lone thunder]

This is the recording when clicking “create”.

[steel crescent]

Said like that, it makes sense I sometimes forget that Suno is an AI 🤖 I’ll try a few prompts when I get my credits reset in a few hours but I’ll avoid spending too many credits if it doesn’t lead anywhere 🫠

[charred merlin]

I'd recommend reaching out to [e-mail] if we're unable to figure anything out here, but if you're willing to test a couple things -- does the issue persist if you close and reopen the browser?

[lone thunder]

This problem has been around for about 4-5 days, I've restarted Chrome, deleted cookies, switched to safari, and I've even switched to a different computer, but the problem is still not resolved.

[charred merlin]

There's a couple things that I've seen cause sporadic or intermittent issues;

• connected through VPN
• website cache needing to be cleared
• browser extensions causing issues (aggressive adblockers, most frequently)
• needing to update browser

As a good measure, sometimes I like to see if the same issue persists on a different browser type (non-chromium = safari, firefox, waterfox, a few indie browsers / chromium = almost all of them), or test with another device to see if it's a device-specific issue or account-specific.

[charred merlin]

Yeah, sounds like you've already run the gambit of troubleshooting -- at this point the most effective route would be to reach out to [e-mail] if you have a paid account -- make sure you list when the issue started, and all of the steps you've taken to resolve the issue 💪

[charred merlin]

I still think that emailing billing is the most direct way to handle it, but just checking that you tried a private window in Chrome so that it disabled the extensions?

[lone thunder]

I just downloaded Firefox and logged into suno using Firefox, which is recording, and the problem is still there.

[charred merlin]

I really appreciate you getting back to me about this -- there isn't "official support" through Discord at the moment, but we're all still very curious here, so this is very helpful when others report similar issues.

Previously it seemed like the issue could be solved with enough investigation, but having such detailed reports from people like yourself makes it easier for everyone to understand -- it seems like you're doing all of the same troubleshooting steps that we would normally think to try, so if someone is experiencing a similar issue on their paid account, letting [e-mail] know a list of everything that have tried will surely be the most helpful 💪

You rock, @lone thunder!

I'm sorry that the Discord wasn't able to be of more immediate assistance, but you've put ina LOT of legwork so Suno Support can help that much more.

[lone thunder]

Thank you very much for your help, after this problem, I tried different methods and never solved it, I was hoping to find a solution by searching for it, and I also came across a thread about discord /Chirp, and joined discord suno, and I'm very happy to have your answer here. I think I'll contact [e-mail]. Thank you again.

[hollow sapphire]

Hi, I had the same problem, with the Edge browser, I tried everything, then decided to contact Suno support, apparently, several users had this problem, it was solved within 5 days, I think! So contact support!🙏

[charred merlin]

In your specific instance, was there anything they suggested that you could do on your end, or did they need to make any adjustments on their end?

[viral moss]

I once had an issue where the screen never loaded after selecting clicking Create, only after refreshing did I realize it had in fact had created the songs without showing me it did.
This ate though quite a few credits by accident, has that happened to you as well?
Do you have ublock Origin by chance?

[tulip harness]

whats going on with v4? its talking ages

[little cargo]

Im having issues talking in this channel

[flint haven]

✅ Warning logged for dmg.diman. I couldn't DM them. || please don't post videos that have nothing to do with Suno

[little cargo]

ill post then the screen will shake

[charred merlin]

🙏

[charred merlin]

What are you trying to post?

[little cargo]

i was in showcase and wanted to post a suno list.. and it stopped me

[charred merlin]

There hasn't been any official word about v4, but make sure you keep an eye on #📢┃announcements and #🚀┃updates because that's where they'll let us know ❤️

[charred merlin]

Just checking, you're having issues posting in the tech-chat channel, or in showcase?

The mods recently implemented a 1-hour cooldown between posts in #🐣┃suno-showcase

[little cargo]

i had a issue posting in showcase

an hour .. ok got it

ty

[loud gazelle]

I have the same issue for almost 4 weeks right now. It has not been solved and the response I got from the official mail address was the following (see attached image). Feel free to ping me when you got a response, it's quite sad that there is no way to use Suno and the only thing responding is the "Create" button and nothing else is happening.

[hollow sapphire]

No, sorry! Just an email to say it was sorted!

[charred merlin]

No reason to apologize at all! You've been very helpful -- it sounds like you're back up and running making music, so that's the important part 😄 💪

[real falcon]

Anyone can give me some insight into this problem, everytime I try to generate lyric from the stuff I've entered it says: Please wait a few seconds before generating more lyrics... the few seconds passed many minutes ago.
I've got enough creds and staying within the restriction of 3k

[charred merlin]

I'm not sure when this email was from, but have you followed up with Aisa to let them know the steps you've tried to resolve the issue, and to ask if there's any more information regarding your case, or any suggested steps you can try on your end?

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1259902708765167709 Sounds like it might be this bug?

clicking "generate lyrics" if you have >1248 characters in the lyrics field can give that error -- the current workaround is to generate the lyrics elsewhere, like on https://www.chatgpt.com or https://microsoft.copilot.com and paste them into the lyrics box, or use less than 1249 characters when clicking "generate lyrics"

[loud gazelle]

I tried all steps and wrote them everything about those steps you mentioned and they lead to no solution for me. Send them a short gif like Stanley here did as well and only got this response on 16th july and the issue is still persisting.

[charred merlin]

I gotcha -- keep in mind there's no "official support" on Discord (at the moment), so it's just helpful suggestions here.

If you haven't heard anything back in a couple weeks, it's not unreasonable to send a follow-up email and to ask for more information regarding your case, or to ask if there's any form of "escalation" so that the case can be reviewed in more detail?

[real falcon]

it's that error that I get, however it still happens even after copy paste it

[charred merlin]

@loud gazelle
I don't believe Suno has announced any particular SLAs or response turnarounds from what I know, so as they're still growing it's helpful to take a proactive, yet politely-collaborative approach to the matter.

I really wish you the best of luck in your chats with them moving forward 💪 🙏

[charred merlin]

After pasting the lyrics, are you clicking "create" and getting that error message, or are you clicking "generate lyrics" after pasting the text into the lyrics box?

[loud gazelle]

Yeah I know that discord is some kind of "unofficial support" where most likely the community helps each other. But since others seem to face the same issue it's maybe helpful to share the experience and responses we got so far. I'll send a follow up e-mail soon as well. The last date I could generate songs was the 7th july. Thanks for your reply again 👍

[real falcon]

paste the text in, then generate and the error appears

[charred merlin]

Are there more than 1248 character in the text box? If so, clicking "generate" will give that error.

You only need to click "generate lyrics" if you want to take the current words and ask Suno to "reimagine them"

If you just click "create" it will use those words as lyrics.

[real falcon]

yes

[charred merlin]

Ah belle -- court et poli

[charred merlin]

I added more context to the reply above yours, but if you're using lyrics pasted from elsewhere, you shouldnt need to click "generate"

@final hazel 👉 👈 ?

I dont recall if it's the same user -- yeah, it is

[final hazel]

It is.. it's time for him to go. He is new and clearly not interested in Suno.

[real falcon]

gotcha, I'll get it made into verses elsewhere then 🙂 thanks for info 😉

[charred merlin]

You're welcome! I only learned this because the error kept telling me to wait. So I waited.

Then waited.

Then waited.

Then got annoyed and started experimenting 🤣

[real falcon]

yeah same here, those few seconds started to become quite loooong 🙂

[charred merlin]

"Okay, dude, I've waited like 5 minutes, now you're just being obtuse, come on Suno."

...oh, I can't stay mad at it.

[lone thunder]

Thank you for your answer, I will contact suno support at [e-mail] for help. Thanks again.

[lone thunder]

Thanks for the answer, I've refreshed the website, changed browsers and even switched to other computers and this problem has not been solved.

[lone thunder]

I will contact suno support for a resolution and if I get one, I will contact you in the first instance.

[hollow hare]

Have you tried using VPN? When I see people with that forbidden issue, no one has gotten me back about that question.

Out of curiosity, what browsers did you tried with? (And they were done incognito mode or similar so that any add-ons/extensions were disabled right?)

[viral moss]

So, i tried making something schizophrenic and annoying...
somehow still not bad (still really weird though)
Will Suno ignore prompts that request BAD or irritating qualities in a song?
https://suno.com/song/4aec4282-1c24-4e06-b31d-6b7e8ed28d75

[naive quail]

I don't think Suno cares, but if it can't match those bits up against anything in the training data, it probably will skip over them, or maybe try to sing them. "La la la... Irritating Schizophrenic La la..."

[viral moss]

I want to keep sharing tests, but dont want to spam here...
I made a playlist, if anyones interested
https://suno.com/playlist/8d4a7c9d-c3f4-4e6a-a5ac-35e7d328116f

[charred merlin]

You're always welcome to share stuff here, even more so when chat is slow, but if you wanted to organize the thoughts or build on them, you could make a #1252267444773326848 page?

That way you can post as much as you want there & link the most interesting ones here?

That's kind of what I'm doing with the pool party

[viral moss]

I didn't think about that, I think I will! Might not be a "workflow" guide, but might contribute something

[neat nexus]

It's not spamming the channel if it's a genuine progression of tests and documenting what you tried and why and what you were expecting versus what you got back.

I used to dissect my failures back in the v1 Chirp days and I'd post my failures and what I had tried and what hadn't worked for me. IMHO this is literally what this channel is for.

Plus this way others who are interested can play along and do their own tests too.

We still don't know how some stuff works, so everyone who finds something that is consistent and which others can also do in a consistent way is doing a service for us all.

[mystic flume]

Speaking of, I discovered a bit of a reliable hack to rub some funk on the chorus by using [Crescendo] and [Belting] in tandem, like so:

[Crescendo] Even as I caught your eye
[Belting] on the cusp of Evening's Bluff!!!!

[Belting] on its own has never been very reliable for me. But this has worked a few times. And [Vocal Run] often has a good effect but it seems to have larger ripples on the rest of the song.

[viral moss]

I wasn't sure if "trying to break Suno" fell under Technical Discussion, but that's good to know 🙂
and it HAS helped, i found out how to make longer introduction instrumentals and how to fit in sound effects.
I'm sure no one else wants gobbldygook in their songs, but its still fun to test its limits

[mystic flume]

Just you and Yoko Ono. 😁

[viral moss]

If an AI was trained on nothing but Yoko Ono,
It would try to find the quickest way to end its life

[charred merlin]

chuck_berry_wtf_face.gif

(meant to reply to the yoko comment, my bad)

[mystic flume]

I'd like to thank my imaginary lead singer for this award.

[neat nexus]

lol It's less about "breaking" Suno and more about discovery of cool things Suno can do that we don't know about.

Consider how in a random fit of madness I tried to make standup, reasoning that stand up comedy albums are a thing and maybe Suno would have it in its training and to my shock it worked reasonably well. This is the kind of thing that we discover when we try to do things not expected or considered possible.

[viral moss]

Holy hell, the anger in his eyes...

[charred merlin]

Okay, I was just about to ask if that was you posting this stuff in mod chat, but I couldn't remember

Have you heard @naive quail's suno superb standup stuff?

[neat nexus]

Not sure if I have.

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/song/64821774-d327-43ea-8d99-d27fcb02f237

[neat nexus]

In case anyone is interested, here is a walkthrough I posted when I discovered it was possible: #🐣┃suno-showcase message

[neat nexus]

Listening to this now...

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/song/aa5f4ff2-e9bd-4205-8bfc-5bbd58621989 this one still has a special place in my heart, even though it turns into a techno dub song at 0:20

[neat nexus]

Nice work!

I just followed the guy.

[viral moss]

It's like when dubstep artists choose the weirdest friggin audio sample...

The cat one is GREAT

[charred merlin]

Oh god -- you might be exposed to some weird stuff. Don't say I didn't warn you 🤣

He's a mad scientist in the most literal definition -- through his experiments and conversation I've realized that it's not JUST music that Suno understands, but general audio recordings that you might find in a collection, like weather noises, standup, audiobooks, etc

[naive quail]

I'm not sure that "superb" is the right word, tho. Every time I hear that mad cackle of a laugh, I want to punch the comedian in the virtual throat.

[charred merlin]

Toker, very glad to call you a friend

[neat nexus]

What really? To me that sells the bit!

[charred merlin]

It's okay, Dane Cook isn't for everyone.

[naive quail]

heh

[neat nexus]

Reminds me of a comedian I saw on YouTube once.

Can't think of his name.

[naive quail]

Nothing weird there at all! https://suno.com/song/d3705bee-72ce-498c-b301-bb8b0f687a5b

[charred merlin]

That's what I was going to share, but I didn't want to pop that bubble on your behalf

actually

[mystic flume]

Fascinating.

[stiff sable]

"Slightly Congested with Mild Ankle Pain" 😭 🤣

[viral moss]

You can really hear the ankle pain

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/playlist/bfd32760-c414-42e4-b291-5a657aa44474 here's a playlist that extends from toker's weather generation -- v2 stays as weather, 1 1/2 of the v3 gens stay as weather, and both v3.5 veer into metal (expectedly)

I'm also dying laughing at using @delicate idol's SD art as the covers, with her permission of course

[mystic flume]

I've discovered a whole new avenue of creativity.
https://suno.com/song/bf0cbd51-424a-4b16-9e1e-637ceb59e2a0

[charred merlin]

Toker & Tinda are most certainly certified Sunovators 💙💜

[mystic flume]

What are you talking about, I just cut and pasted your thing and changed the words.

At best I'm a Sunovabitch (hiyooo)

What a great audience.

[viral moss]

I'm gonna use that,
works better Sunophile

[mystic flume]

What's the significance of all the empty spaces you put between the tags?

Sunophiliac?

Ugh, now I gotta write an entire comedy special. Guess that's my weekend.

[charred merlin]

The first comedy clip you replied to was from SixStringToker -- and to me "Sunovator" doesn't just start and stop at suno.com, you've completely thrown yourself into a new field and completely embraced it -- you're always working on something cool whenever we bump shoulders in chat -- I'd say you're killin' it 🙂

[sweet wigeon]

" 3.5 TEST - Annoying Tags v1 - Schizophrenia"
OG, these sounds are so annoying!

[viral moss]

It sounds like what kind of music the CIA would use to torture terrorists

cranked at full blast, night and day

[sweet wigeon]

This is funny, I use GPT to learn rhytms of playing on guitar - it tells me what pattern it's playing! I started to learn on guitar because of Suno.

[charred merlin]

Is there anyone with a good set of ears / headphones who's willing to give a prompt experiment playlist a quick scan? Skipping through a couple seconds of each song should be enough to get a quick impression 🙏

Thanks in advance!

[daring lava]

I can help, might need to be later tonight though. Feel free to send them my way if you’d like 🙂

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/playlist/c6fb3c02-2dd2-455d-93bb-050c7fa8f9fd

Nothing complicated, I just added a bunch of songs with "dolby-atmos" and "wide-spectrum" in the metatags/style to see if it influenced anything.

I haven't been able to discern anything that stands out as "higher quality" than the usual stuff I prompt out of Suno, so I just wanted someone with a more discerning audio setup to give a quick scan -- admittedly I don't have a nice enough set of headphones to really differentiate between super high quality & just regular high quality 😛

Please don't waste time by listening to these in full 😅 I've yet to see a song that DRASTICALLY varies in audio quality from the beginning of the track to the end, so skipping through any portion of it should be fine ❤️

[mild rain]

Whats the red dot on the left of a newly created song next to the cover? Not seen that before

[charred merlin]

I think it's "unplayed"?

@naive quail JUST noticed this as well

[mild rain]

ahh ok that would make sense.... How you doing @charred merlin

[naive quail]

Yea. It looks like an indicator for unplayed tracks. Not very intuitive. Red usually indicates a problem

But all I have to do is look at the rest of the site and... I get it. 😄

[charred merlin]

Doing well! Thanks man 😄

My wife picked up a Calvin & Hobbes book for me, "Weirdos from Another Planet" because I'd been referring to the Suno community affectionately as "weirdos", completely made my day ❤️

#🗣️┃chill-chat message

How've things been on your end?

[mild rain]

Sounds an interesting read, I have never heard of it but will certainly look it up.

Things are great this end buddy

[mild rain]

That's what I was thinking, maybe the generation had screwed up 🙂 glad all is good. Never seen/noticed this before tonight.

[charred merlin]

I'm always surprised by how many people don't know Calvin & Hobbes, or only know Calvin as the sticker on the back of pickup trucks that pees on other vehicle logos.

He's the young kid with a hyperactive imagination, a tiger for a best friend (a stuffed one, but he doesn't see it that way), and the thought process of a jaded 60 year old.

I love him.

If there's any other prompt snippets you want me to try in isolation and add to the playlist, let me know -- sometimes it's hard to tell specifically what a prompt does when it's tacked onto a bunch of others, and I'd be happy to spend my credits to test it out 💪

[mild rain]

I've just looked it up and looks like a fun read. I like books like this, easy light hearted read.

[charred merlin]

I love it -- smart, but through a kid's perspective. Just so blatantly honest, too ❤️

[mild rain]

Cheeky little rascal lol... although I didn't get the Soap relation to the car?

[charred merlin]

He used the soap to write on the windshield -- he's trying to sell his parents' car to make a quick buck 😛

[delicate idol]

Um stay on topic sir…😛

[mild rain]

ahhh got it, it didn't twig with at it first... 🙂

[charred merlin]

oh crap -- my wife just called me out for rambling in tech-chat -- pretend to look busy!

[mild rain]

so is he a bit like a Dennis the Menace?

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/r2d2-playing-guitar-gif-9827824

see? we're all about technical stuff here -- totally on topic -- nothing to see @delicate idol -- 100% being productive.

Do you feel that those clips are of any different audio quality than tracks made without those prompts?

I think "dolby-atmos" or "wide-spectrum" are supposed to imply a "deep 3D audio environment", but I genuinely struggle to hear anything different. :/

[tight spade]

Dolby surround? 3Ddaisy used it her prompts

[charred merlin]

I wasn't aware, but similar to the experiments to determine whether or not specifying the BPM, I'm doing an experiment to see if it genuinely makes an impact on audio quality.

[tight spade]

iv given up bpm and try something difrrent

[late lance]

I think 90% propmpts people use are placebo effect

as a person deeply traumatised by using Stable Diffusion I started adding prompts like "best quality" and "masterpiece" to my gens but I think it's placebo effect too 😂

[charred merlin]

you 100% don't need to, but if you're interested in helping conduct further research on it, shoot me a DM with any of those track names that seemed audibly different -- that way I can compare the answers from different people to see if there's any discernable overlap -- not intending to "prove anyone wrong", I just feel like without some degree of control-standard, it's hard to weed out confirmation bias without bringing spectral analysis tools into the matter

[charred merlin]

The pain in the butt is that they can still have SOME effect, even if it's just as prompt noise / thematic decoration.

Like putting "bpm" in the style often seems to lead to the song speeding up over time, or simply implying a faster tempo than other songs -- so it's not entirely placebo, but there's absolutely a degree of confirmation bias when people simply notice the song is going faster and think that their "bpm command" was a deciding factor on the tempo of the song.

[late lance]

they may but the effect is often just adding some random noise that can be anything

[tight spade]

woo they added a red dot to new gens

[late lance]

e.g. how to make abstract art with SD/Midjourney etc.

write a prompt like "masterpiece artwork, The quintessential confluence of serendipitous circumstances and meticulous stratagems precipitated an unprecedented crescendo of fortuitous outcomes."

the last part just creates random noise

I found short style prompts to usually sound cleaner

if you use full 120 chars worth of keywords you often end up with a muddy sound... well if that's your goal then fair enough

[charred merlin]

Preaching to the choir, my dude. It seems like you've probably spent a lot of time playing with SD generations, realizing slight variations by adding prompt-noise /thematic-decoration words could change the outcome -- sometimes barely at all, sometimes drastically.

Suno is 100% the same. I like to think about how early SD couldn't handle a lot of prompts before it started to confuse things, and now dalle3 almost NEEDS hyper-specific prompting to give you what you want. We're still learning Suno's quirks, but I've noticed that v3.5 will go more "generic" without a strong context to hook onto, or effective use of prompting (which is super vague to say, but it varies by song and the weight / number of prompts used)

[late lance]

the one thing that makes it super annoying to learn the model is the lack of seeds

[charred merlin]

I completely believe that having a strong familiarity for SD or LLM prompting helps you wrap your mind around how to use Suno in the most effective way -- all of the most prolific and successfully experimentative Sunovators are OG MidJourneyers (midvoyagers?) or Stable Diffusionists

[charred merlin]

Agreed, that WOULD make it a lot easier to get a foothold -- it's nowhere near as satisfying to listen to a bunch of potentially random generations and not know WHAT is influencing things, but I try to use very specific prompt snippets in the experiments over at the pool party > #1256301881966198805, that way it's easier to get an idea of what is "doing the heavy lifting"

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-jumping-into-pool-jumping-into-pool-elderly-man-jumping-into-pool-old-man-elderly-man-gif-4110965089168248172

[late lance]

seems like you did a fair bit of research, will check it out 👍

yeah the prompting techniques feel quite similar to other gen ai models, and I'm pretty fluent with SD

Suno feels kind of more like MJ in that it makes pretty stuff but is not very responsive

3.5 at least, 3 feels bit more responsive but also more limited

[fluid vault]

Anyone who knows, is this how the tags are suppose to look?

[Verse 1]
[Mr.]
I was lost, drifting in the dark,
Found my way, when you lit

[charred merlin]

It's really transferrable, from what I've seen. I was getting annoying-complex, inhuman guitar riffs for math-rock, so adding thematic prompts like "dreamy" "winter" "deliberately slow" seems to help "redirect" it.

Hard to convey that sort of metaphoric thinking to someone who's just using a tool like this for the first time, and might only think to say "rock song"

[fluid vault]

I wish together was a function rather then an exploit

[charred merlin]

That looks right!

But keep in mind that even properly-used tags aren't guaranteed to work, they are "suggestions", not "commands"

[fluid vault]

Ya I figured. "Creates 30 songs trying to get out right"

[late lance]

one thing that also holds true for all these gen ai models is that it's much easier to do something generic that came up a lot in the training data set. e.g. it's easy to draw people playing basketball in a gym but hard to draw them underwater. same goes with certain music aspects

[charred merlin]

While there are some methods that users suggest, https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252789683176345641 this is a known-suggestion post where users are requesting the ability to use pre-set vocalists between songs -- if you have a good rock singer, you could use them in other songs 💪

If you like this idea, click on the link and add a "like" to the top of the post 🙂

[fluid vault]

Example..
[Verse 1]
[Rough]

?

[charred merlin]

While there is no guarantee, I find simply saying "male singer" or "male vocals" doesn't seem to work.

I like to imagine if Suno was a person from another culture who didn't quite understand all of the words I was using -- if they didn't understand "man", I might try to imitate a "manly voice" for them to help explain 🤔

"growly" "deep"

!!! You beat me to it! 🤣 ❤️

[fluid vault]

Yes male n female didn't work for me

[late lance]

that's kind of a tough technical problem, would require creating some custom LORA equivalent

[fluid vault]

Thank you, I'ma try some things

@charred merlin Got something else for [together] I've only gotten it to work once, lol

I know it's like a chance thing, just curious if others found something different

[charred merlin]

Oh cool! Was it a song that had a female and male singing, and that made them sing in duet?

[fluid vault]

I can get the male and female to sing separately yes. But not together

[late lance]

one thing I managed to do recently with pretty high precision is to switch between male and female voices on specific lines by just adding [male] and [female] before the line. didn't work all the time but I only needed like 3 or 4 extends 😂 to get the entire thing right

[fluid vault]

You think something like

[Pre-chorus]
[Rough]
[Smooth]

Might work?

[charred merlin]

Duets are notoriously difficult to obtain deliberately 😅 Most times I've seen a really good duet, the author mentioned that Suno did it by accident 😛
https://www.suno.wiki/faq/style-and-lyrics/duets/

[late lance]

eh, I have a number of non-accidental ones with characters singing all the correct lines

[fluid vault]

I would share it for ya, but it's quite religious

[charred merlin]

It might, but "rough" by itself might be ambiguous -- "baritone, growly", perhaps?

I can try both for you, 1 second my friend 🙂

[fluid vault]

I meant for the [together] party

Part**

[late lance]

the secret to get it correct till the end is usually extends tho

singing together I couldn't force but it can happen randomly. often sounds off tho

[fluid vault]

It's difficult for sure! Think I've tossed about 500 credits trying to get it right, lol

[charred merlin]

I shared a link about regarding duets if you wanted to review the community-gathered notes on the matter-- it may be difficult to make a duet, so I want to set expectations first that it wouldn't be a failing on your part if you're having a difficult time achieving it.

[late lance]

well tossing 500 credits until it happens is what I call randomly

[fluid vault]

For sure! Lol

I read it's more of an exploit so getting 2 outa 500 isn't bad in my head

[charred merlin]

I find it's a good rule of thumb that the more specific of a song you have envisioned, the more time/credits might need to be spent on it -- some people will claim that they're able to master every single aspect of suno, but chances are they had no idea what song they "heard in their mind", and are pleased with almost anything that Suno will make, so they feel like a "successful cook" after "mixing random ingredients and making a masterpiece" -- except it is very hard for Suno to make anything "bad" unless you specifically try.

That said -- we are determined to figure out how to use Suno the best, and will help everyone that wants to make their "dream song" ❤️ 💪

[fluid vault]

Lol so true.
There is no mastering Suno!

[charred merlin]

Like a wild bull -- it will throw you on the ground if you try too hard to control it 😛

Suno has given me many concussions, and the doctors say it might no longer be safe to make Indie Rock 😱 (kidding, kidding)

[fluid vault]

Hahaha so freaking true

[late lance]

that's again true for any gen ai - if you're happy with anything that comes out of it you can be satisfied very quickly, especially if it makes pretty things by default

[fluid vault]

Sent you a pm of the duet @charred merlin

[late lance]

I usually like pushing the boundaries and doing things that seem impossible to do

[fluid vault]

Lol same

I end up blacking out

[charred merlin]

Again, some people see how passionately I can take the "research" side of things and think that's the only way I enjoy Suno -- but that's sort of like saying that a scientist doesn't enjoy the world because they look at everything as math problems -- first off, they simply appreciate the world in different ways, and second off, scientists let loose and make meme-blasters too 😛

I just don't make my memes public 🤣

[fluid vault]

You end up trying
[Pre-Chorus]
[Rough]
[Smooth]

?

[late lance]

I do 😂

[viral moss]

Share the goods, Harb

[fluid vault]

90% of mine is public.

DennyL

If anyone wants to listen.
Be warned I am religious!

[coarse arrow]

is there anyone here who can talk to me about basics of music production?

[fluid vault]

@coarse arrow in Suno?

[late lance]

ok you have 4 followers now

[fluid vault]

Yay 4!!!

[coarse arrow]

what is suno?

[charred merlin]

You're in the right place, my dude 🙂
#📚┃suno-school message

Here's a great post to get started if you want some free web-based professional-grade audio tools

[flint haven]

How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.com -- it's the web/iOS app this Discord is based on 😄 Absolutely amazing text-to-music tool

[coarse arrow]

ohhh i didnt know

i had a look, so it auto makes instrumentals for you?

[charred merlin]

Literally never been an easier time for anyone with internet access to enter the music industry

[fluid vault]

Yes @coarse arrow

[charred merlin]

instrumentals, lyrics, you name it.

[fluid vault]

All the above!

[charred merlin]

It's legitimate science fiction magic.

[fluid vault]

Robot rolled a 20 on music creation

[coarse arrow]

ohh so if you produce a song using suno can you claim it as your own or would it be suno's asset?

bare with me i have 0 knowledge on this

lol

[fluid vault]

If your a subscriber

Subscription

[late lance]

if anyone's interested some (not all) of my duets

https://suno.com/song/bd8e18b7-5f60-4016-903f-9cc0b5a60fbb
https://suno.com/song/ff6dca36-0582-49b0-91e7-bccb11e33788
https://suno.com/song/c0e3c0be-7b8f-4283-92f0-317bc8cec3c5
https://suno.com/song/6a1f1fd1-c533-49ed-b9ff-63fc032e02a3 (this one is based on Bloodninja memes and therefore obscene, not a full duet but has fine grained precise swithing between male and female)

some are done under 100 credits, others took like 500 but it's not thousands 😄

[fluid vault]

@coarse arrow pro user and above I believe you claim

Correct me if I'm wrong!

[late lance]

I think having well-defined characters and genre that commonly features duets (opera or similar) helps substantially

[charred merlin]

@fluid vault is right, if you're a free user, technically Suno owns the songs you make, and you need to attribute the creation and ownership to Suno if you post it somewhere.

If you have a paid account, you're granted a commercial license over the songs and are allowed to monetize them.

@late lance , is that a bash.org reference?

[late lance]

I'm pretty sure it featured there at some point, it's based on Bloodninja copypasta

[charred merlin]

My internet-senses are tingling, but I can't place the origin. okay, lmao, yeah

[fluid vault]

@late lance I'ma listen to all your stuff now

[late lance]

you can google "Bloodninja" to know everything you probably never wanted to know

[late lance]

thanks!

[fluid vault]

You could always download it and fix it in fruity loops?

@coarse arrow where u go!?

[neon copper]

There's GOT to be a reliable way to make Suno END A BLOODY SONG instead of every 'extend' adding 2 min on??? AUGH

[fluid vault]

Not yet

Lol

[neon copper]

I've burnt 300 credits on this one song V_V

shortest I've got is 50 seconds....

[late lance]

try

[fade out]
[END]

and empty style tags

(also not guaranteed unfortunately but that's Suno)

[neon copper]

fade out doesn't do fade out XD

[late lance]

sometimes it does ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fluid vault]

My longest song was like 8 minutes

Shortest was like 2:30ish

[mystic flume]

Five hours later....

[near tangle]

is there a way to tell Suno instructions are instructions and not lyrics to be sung?

I used square brackets, but it will ignore them at times

[runic dock]

How can we control the instrumental ?
I would like to instruct an instrumental to play what i want at different places in the song but you dont have a place for lyrics. If you try to do it With normal song suno sings something you dont have in your song. This is hallucination

[charred merlin]

Look up the post for "terminator extensions" in the pool party > #1256301881966198805 -- except instead of metal, use "end" as the only style prompt in "the pivot", nothing else

#📚┃suno-school message that's how I got this 27 second generation for v3.5

[charred merlin]

After the Tokyo Drift joke, I love the self-giggle like Jeremy Hotz

[runic dock]

Got it. Will try that. Thanks

[charred merlin]

Do you have any examples of songs where this was really noticeable? Sometimes seeing the lyrics / [metatags] / styles can help figure out why it's happening. 🤔

[near tangle]

https://suno.com/song/2b8516a9-ab14-4530-b52d-a72f7b8ca587

that one

and I really wish I could do something like re-use the seed so I get how this sounds again

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

Download the song, add it to the bandlab studio, trim the ending of the song and only keep 6-60s, upload the remaining track as an audio upload in Suno, extend from that, ???, profit

[charred merlin]

I think I see the issue, try to only use 2-3 words at a time in a metatag -- they aren't "commands" or "code", it's meant to be a short musical suggestion

[near tangle]

yeah, I've changed that up since I asked

🤔 not quite getting the female duet I was looking for though

[charred merlin]

Okay, cool -- but seriously, bandlab is AMAZING for playing around with music from suno -- it's entirely free, there's no limit, and it's the same kind of stuff you'd have to pay top dollar for not that long ago

[charred merlin]

Oooh, duets are notoriously hard to prompt https://www.suno.wiki/faq/style-and-lyrics/duets/

[near tangle]

what about negative prompt, so like I don't want any male voices, in example?

[fluid vault]

https://suno.com/song/972af333-d170-4c76-bf0b-ee876af654ef

If anyone is interested in how I create em

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1253341197917884530 One of the more popular suggestions, but we don't have it yet -- but you can upvote this post to help get more visibility! 😄

[charred merlin]

@naive quail -- I'm sure this is something that you're familiar with, but it really caught me offguard that Suno instinctually understood the Song Structure tagging as metatags and didn't read them out

@fluid vault shared this song with me, and not only is it a REALLY cool guitar line that I thought you'd like, it made me wonder if this shook loose any similar thoughts about whether or not we've been too "concrete" in our understanding of how metatags work...

@unique stone , I'd love your take on the matter if you're sufficiently awake 💙

[naive quail]

Yea, I've seen this and couple variations. Might have to do with Suno being trained to recognize the structure names; not sure.

[charred merlin]

Since it's set up with a predictable enough pattern, the ChatGPT-side of things might be better able to recognize the pattern if anything

[unique stone]

Can't listen for several hours but I see the hashtags.

[fluid vault]

The AI is learning!

[charred merlin]

The guitar is neat though more intended to show toker -- I wanted to see if you'd ever played around with different "meta-tagging conventions", or if you similarly had stuck to square brackets?

[naive quail]

me likes

[unique stone]

I only use square brackets. The possibility of there being other ways to express tags could explain why sometimes stuff in square brackets is sung instead. I mean, if you can specify a structure with hashes because that's what the AI has been trained on, maybe it hasn't been trained on certain things in square brackets and instead sings them

[native elm]

300 lol I've spend 2500+ on a single

[fluid vault]

@naive quail another for ya
https://suno.com/song/836a7f8a-baba-4374-b6f0-922b8486115b

[naive quail]

Noice!

[fluid vault]

Thanks!

[naive quail]

Definitely not directly related to the hashtags. I suspect it's Suno recognizing the structure names and the hashtags, colons, etc... are just prompt noise adding some spice. Remixed with some different punctuation: https://suno.com/song/fdfa0d22-f193-44e8-a456-6ca9182ecd56

[neon copper]

Just trying to get the song to end???

[naive quail]

maybe why we never hear suno blurt out "Chorus!!" and "Verse 1!" 😄

[native elm]

Oh, no I mean for a fully completed song in total. Probably close to ~85 or so generations I ended up using from everything I did for that one. It's a nearly 9 minute long melodic and atmospheric progressive metal piece

[fluid vault]

Sounds less agro! I like it

[naive quail]

both tunes are great, @fluid vault

[fluid vault]

Agreed!

[neon copper]

I don't think I'm up to that many on a single song, but I'm not good at technical stuff V_V

[native elm]

Honestly try doing the ending in v3 instead of v3.5 it will likely yield way better results for just the ending

[naive quail]

I know this song!

[native elm]

I'd be pretty surprised hahaha

[neon copper]

I tried and it got very jarringly different endings XD

This song took a lot of back-and-forth to get a good balance on music not drowning out vocals...and Suno kept slipping in male vocals!!

https://suno.com/song/5ab6ad3a-fd58-45cd-9876-3e94c3df781d

[native elm]

this the one you're trying to end?

Oh, no that sounds like it ends reasonably

[naive quail]

I've done a bunch like this:

[native elm]

Literally how I work haha

It gets me the best results though by a longshot

[fluid vault]

@neon copper I love how that ends!! Don't change it!

[native elm]

Often I end up taking snippets from a couple different gens and splicing them together in a DAW later anyhow. Kills my potential for engagement on the site but that's not what I'm after anyway

[neon copper]

I gaev up on trying to end it where I wanted XD I decided I was content with what it had

though there was one extend that had lovely harmony so I may revist that

[native elm]

there's always using Audacity etc to fade the song out where you'd like it to, but that requires learning some software

[neon copper]

give my efforts a thumbs up? I spent too many hours AND credits on it, lol

[naive quail]

ok. back to movie time. (throws a glare at @charred merlin)

[native elm]

what're we watchin

[fluid vault]

@neon copper of course

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message Did you try a "terminator extension"? I linked an example earlier to show how I stopped a song at 27 seconds using "end" as "part 3" in my example

[naive quail]

the original wolverine. warming up for the new one 😄

[mystic flume]

be specific. Like "female alto solo vocalist"

[charred merlin]

😅
👾

[fluid vault]

@neon copper don't

Done**

[neon copper]

I did, yeah. Several times XD suno no likely end.

[charred merlin]

Just so I can test to see how it would have worked -- what time were you wanting to end the song you shared earlier?

[neon copper]

off the last extend it was :46

sec

[mystic flume]

It took a LOT of credits. But it was a fun experiment.

[neon copper]

4:02 I think?

[charred merlin]

Just checking, did you strip EVERYTHING and only use "end" as a style prompt, or did you leave the other style prompts in place and just use "[end]" as a metatag?

[neon copper]

the latter, I haven't seen a difference between first and 2nd method, it still takes 4-6 gens to get a short ending (5-10 seconds)

I also tried going to version 3, and it gave almost 2 full min each

[fluid vault]

@neon copper following ya too

[neon copper]

a follower? how do you follow someone? 😮

(yes, i'm this backwards, lol)

[fluid vault]

Go-to their page, click follow

[charred merlin]

Okay, that's likely why it didn't work -- leaving the other style prompts in the very last part tells it that it should try to continue all of those suggestions, with only a single teeny-tiny suggestion to "end" thrown into the lyrics.

I'm going to try but only using "end" as a style prompt, since that's the only thing we want to "add" to the song -- if that makes sense, @neon copper ?

[fluid vault]

@neon copper Go-to library (web version n e way) click followers, click on a person, it will take u to their page, then click follow! 😄

[mystic flume]

Fade out, end

[neon copper]

😮 which one is you?

[fluid vault]

DennyL

The cross

😄

[neon copper]

I've tried fade out, it never actually fades, just reaches the end of the melody!

[fluid vault]

@mystic flume 👋

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

[neon copper]

I'll try that next time ❤️

[charred merlin]

See how it works when I want it to?

[hardy iris]

Is there a way to increase/ decrease bpm in a song inline

[charred merlin]

not explicitly like a "command", but you can "suggest" it through [metatags]

[neon copper]

so you need to put end in prompt box as well as [end] in lyric box?

[fluid vault]

[slow bpm] maybe?

[neon copper]

not just clear the prompt/style box entirely?

[mystic flume]

Just tags. Be creative like [Speed Up] or [Go nuts] or [Get Turnt]

[neon copper]

go nuts XD

[charred merlin]

nothing in lyrics box
"end" in style -- nothing else

[neon copper]

hahaha

[neon copper]

OH. I was doing it opposite!!!

[fluid vault]

[slow like a turtle]

[neon copper]

RIP OTL

[slow like a granny]

[mystic flume]

Why not disable lyrics then? Or does that just make the box go away?

[fluid vault]

Rofl

[fast like lightning]

[charred merlin]

Same thing, but it's just easier to explain that nothing should be in there, imo -- gets the message across that the only thing you want is to say "end" or "farewell" or "that's all folks" (works ... surprisingly well).

[neon copper]

"that's all, folks" works? 😮

[fluid vault]

Test it

I wanna know now

[neon copper]

you test it XD I wanna hoard my credits, lol

[charred merlin]

Yes -- leaving "quiet background music, subtle music, clear vocals.." etc tells Suno to try to continue that style, when the ONLY thing we want to focus on after the extension is ending

I'll share a picture, I did it before

[neon copper]

I have all my college-era poetry to set to music decades later XD

[fluid vault]

@neon copper after all u spent in the 1 I don't blame ya

[charred merlin]

That's why I'm saying it works 😛

[mystic flume]

I dug mine up too but it was 99% unusable.

[neon copper]

that makes a lot of sense, thank you ❤️

[neon copper]

yeah freeform poetry doesn't adapt well XD but a couple of mine I'm really happy with

[fluid vault]

Roses are red violets are blue Suno makes the music true!

[mystic flume]

No I mean it was terrible. 😅😜

[fluid vault]

😦

..

[mystic flume]

Well it was thirty years ago so it's not surprising.

[neon copper]

https://suno.com/song/46d3eb92-401f-4a04-99c1-48344aaa8d2b - one of my old college poems 😄

[fluid vault]

@charred merlin Woodhouse being to op

[fluid vault]

I think it's good!

[charred merlin]

Apologies for taking up so much space -- I was trying to condense it by sharing them all at once 😅

As you can see, some "ending prompts" work better than others 😛

[fluid vault]

"I don't like you anymore" so mean! :p

[neon copper]

hahahahaha

[fluid vault]

https://suno.com/song/0ee6d381-5fff-405c-ad66-4499614a9248

[charred merlin]

It broke my heart to talk to Suno like that, but it was all in the name of science. I tried to end it by being polite because Suno just kept looking at me with those sad eyes.

[fluid vault]

Hahaha

[neon copper]

(my husband is dragging me away from the computer....apparently cackling at your endings was the last straw for him XD I'll be back later!!)

[fluid vault]

I'm sure Suno still loves you!

[charred merlin]

Oh god -- my wife @delicate idol is rolling her eyes that someone is encouraging my nonsense 😛

Have a great night 😄 💙

[charred merlin]

It keeps making this face at me 👇

[fluid vault]

Hahaha

🤖

[charred merlin]

Oh my god -- Suno's going to make me sleep on the couch. 😢

[fluid vault]

No Suno!!

Suno your loved!!

Suno happy now?

Hahaha!

[charred merlin]

But all of the different ways that I tried to tell Suno to "end" the song is similar to how [chorus] and ###chorus: work in our different songs -- it shows that it's not about knowing "the right / wrong" words to use, it's not even important to follow what everyone else does -- as long as it makes sense to YOU 😄

😄 I think I use this exact same tool for all of my emojis / stickers 😄

[fluid vault]

Lol! As long as Suno is happy, I'm happy

[charred merlin]

I feel like you have made an offering to keep Suno pleased for many nights 💪

[fluid vault]

It's more of a challenge

[tight spade]

question? when a daw or when your trying to count (bmps in a song is it generally the over all its the climax of song ) just wondering in general

[fluid vault]

I think you can change the speed with tags

[tight spade]

not going there lol

just in general

[fluid vault]

Lol my bad

[tight spade]

np

[charred merlin]

Usually the BPM set in the DAW would reflect the section of music that you're working on -- if the song starts at 150 bpm and the slider is at the beginning, it'll likely say 150 (each DAW may be set up differently, and youtube tutorials or their official documentation can give more guidance) -- if a later section of the song is faster, it would likely show that section's BPM if you put the slider over it

Hopefully that helps 🙏 🤘

[tight spade]

thank you

[fluid vault]

@tight spade that's what I meant to say! 😄

[tight spade]

what would a good free daw be, any one have experiance ?

[charred merlin]

You're welcome, dude!

Similarly, if you want a section of a song to speed up, you could "slice" it off from the earlier sections, then crank up that section's bpm so the song gets faster at that point 😄

It might be helpful to gradually increase so it builds up, instead of just instantly changing and giving the people in the nightclub whiplash as they start dancing at 3x speed 😛

[tight spade]

lol

[fluid vault]

Audacity?

[tight spade]

iv used it its ok but need some with more teeth

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

BandLab has EVERYTHING that you need without needing to download anything -- great place to start off if you don't want to download anything

[fluid vault]

Fruity loops?

[fluid vault]

Cakewalk?

[tight spade]

i check it out

[fluid vault]

Traction t7

[charred merlin]

I link to it in the link above, but https://www.bandlab.com/studio

[fluid vault]

Omg duh

[charred merlin]

the splitter is amazing too. I've been using the studio a lot, but Audacity is usually my go-to

[fluid vault]

Fruity loops confused me, is Audacity better?

Always done it on the pc, nvr tried phone app

[quaint perch]

How to generate disney style song like frozen movies song?

[tight spade]

thank you for that

[fluid vault]

@quaint perch Good styles of music id assume

Try the tag [queen Elsa voice]
?

[quaint perch]

Assuming what?

[quaint perch]

LOL

[fluid vault]

Like piano, guitar etc

[charred merlin]

It’s more for beat creation, I believe. It’s very powerful but can be overkill for DAW from what I recall

[fluid vault]

Oh okay

[quaint perch]

I was write that Soft romantic Melody with violin, guitar, flute in male voice with Chorus. But not working

Fruty loop means FL Studio?

[fluid vault]

Which part not working?

[fluid vault]

Yeah I was asking earlier about it

[leaden lark]

What about FL?

[fluid vault]

I suck at it

[leaden lark]

Same tbh

[fluid vault]

Lol

[quaint perch]

Hahha..

[charred merlin]

It's more for beat creation, right?

[fluid vault]

Yesm

Well it's an all around tool

I believe

[quaint perch]

Whole soft beat then suddenly upbeat..

[fluid vault]

FL Studio, originally known as FruityLoops, is a popular Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) developed by the Belgian company Image-Line. It's widely used by music producers for its intuitive interface, powerful features, and flexibility in music production. Key features include:

• Piano Roll: A sophisticated interface for editing and sequencing MIDI.
• Pattern-based music sequencing: Allows for easy arrangement and structuring of songs.
• VST support: Compatible with a wide range of virtual instruments and effects.
• Mixer: Provides extensive routing, mixing, and mastering tools.
• Plugins: Comes with a variety of built-in instruments and effects.

FL Studio is especially popular among electronic music producers due to its ease of use and powerful capabilities.

[quaint perch]

I don't use fruity loop, I am beginer for FL Studio.

[fluid vault]

Same

[quaint perch]

Audacity is good for me.

[fluid vault]

I wanna try this Audacity

But @quaint perch what isn't working

When ur trying disney

[quaint perch]

yeah but you can't make music on it with midi keyboard.

[fluid vault]

But I can imput music?

[quaint perch]

Yes! You can put your music loops and paste on Audacity then make some noise.

[fluid vault]

Try
[Gaston voice]

Ahh gotcha

For ur disney

[quaint perch]

create some melodies.. and mix on Audacity

[strange mural]

You could also try broadway musical to get the same sort of feel.

[fluid vault]

Broadway!

[quaint perch]

What is Gaston voice?

[fluid vault]

From beauty and the best!

[fluid vault]

This

[strange mural]

Is anyone else having issue with upload?

[fluid vault]

You wanted to create Disney songs right?

With Suno?

[fluid vault]

Haven't tried it yet...

[fluid vault]

This one

[charred merlin]

What sort of issue are you having?

[leaden lark]

Yeah, it’s program to create music, I use it to edit Suno songs for audio bases and to try to master it a bit more

[fluid vault]

Broadway musical, epic

Then
[verse 1]
[Gaston voice]

Lol

[quaint perch]

Character voices are not working

[fluid vault]

I tried upload once actually.. I uploaded my kid laughing, and that's all it really was.. guess I dunno what to do with it. :p

[charred merlin]

If you're trying to specifically ask for copyrighted characters, Suno doesn't know what they are.

[fluid vault]

Dang! Try, [raspy] or [rough] ?

[hollow hare]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[fluid vault]

Got it
[Sound like Gaston but not enough for legal action]

[quaint perch]

LOL

[leaden lark]

Wish me luck, I’m testing out if “call and reponse” can be made

[fluid vault]

Good luck!!

[leaden lark]

I may have gotten a very tiny answer, but I’ll have to not be at work to figure it out

[charred merlin]

Nice! I tried call-and-response in some of my earlier songs but shifted away from it -- I never gave it an honest attempt after I became more familiarized with Suno, so I'd be interested in hearing what you came across 🙂

[leaden lark]

Yeah I’m trying call and reponse for just instrumentals

Idk if it’s exactly it, but it’s something close to it https://suno.com/song/625967d0-e4b6-4612-8b15-4d9ee47ee6ca

[tight spade]

any one here play piano?

[strange mural]

I think it was a glitch - its seemed to work itself out

[strange mural]

yes

[tight spade]

could you listen to a song thats just piano and violin , and decern its notes what metronome is it playing?

just testing something, but im learing some softwear that will do it for me buts a bit of a pain

[quaint perch]

It's like News Channel Intro maybe

[leaden lark]

True, it’s a good start though

I just need the melodies to be more complex

[quaint perch]

Like what?

[leaden lark]

Well, I got the guitar to respond to the orchestra using the same melody but I want to vary up the calls and responses

[quaint perch]

Call for what?@leaden lark

You have to write there then generate right music

[leaden lark]

The orchestra played a melody and that was the “call” and the guitar played the same melody back which was the “response”

Call and reponse is musical terms

[quaint perch]

LOL you made it complicated.

[leaden lark]

My bad, what I want to do now is try to get variations of melodies and try to do the same thing

[quaint perch]

You want to made a song as complete musicians team playing all instruments.

[strange mural]

You just need to know the BPM?

Sure thing

[quaint perch]

Yeah it's possible with lyrics.

[tight spade]

notes not bpm there distict 4/4 7/8 5/8 im looking for its short but if in there i three parts of the score then ill give another one in diffrent order to see if actuall worked

[leaden lark]

Except I want to do it with just instruments, no vocals

That’s my test

[quaint perch]

Yeah there is instrumental option available.

[leaden lark]

I know that, but to get more intricate things I’ll need to extend the “lyrics”

[quaint perch]

Where is "Verse" and "Chorus"?

[wary stirrup]

I just join the discord but I don't see the channels for Chirp-beta 1-6 I would like to add Suno Chirp Bot to my own discord server.

[strange mural]

are you wanting that whole bit transcribed or just need to know what the melodic line is? (Dat's a lot of notes going - mainly arpeggios f the basic chord structure)

[leaden lark]

I’m only testing if I can actually do it before I go further

[tight spade]

im try to decifer if its actually doing what im telling it to do mainly if the its doing 4/4 7/8/5/8

[hollow hare]

The bot had been retired a few months back. You need to use the website (or iOS app if you live in USA) if you want to create music now

[flint haven]

How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

[tight spade]

all three in score

in diffrent satrts and stops

[wary stirrup]

Ok, Thank you.

[quaint perch]

All right you take your time for exploring everything.

[tight spade]

i have an idea but i need some one with music experience im waiting on my pay to buy anthemscore

witch will tell me off the hop

[tight spade]

thanks that actually help 🙂

[strange mural]

Ok - I am listening and seeing if i detect rhythm changes. So far its pretty strong 4, but there was one little bit where it kinda felt off but it didn't feel like a shift to 7/8 because I kept a four going and it landed pretty much back in it. Where are you thinking the shift is?

[tight spade]

instrumental is beginning 7/8 verse 1 would be 4/4 then vers2 5/8 >>>start 7/8 middle 4/4 and end 5/8

[strange mural]

yeah 95% of its is pretty strong four...around 100/102 BPM...I'm going back to listen again to the one section where something may have happened... but it didn't feel like odd meter...

it felt like there was either a 2/4 measure or something because the 1 changed.... bu nothing that stopped that solid 102 BPM

[tight spade]

test 2 is in different order

how would i go about stoppin between say instrumental veres and so on to break it up

propts wise like [end] [break] so

[strange mural]

at 00:37 the arpeggios change and that feels like it might be something different but it never falls enough off the beat to be a 7 or 5 over 8

[tight spade]

i want to do it in three parts to save credits lol

[strange mural]

OH ! HAH!

let me beat out #2 and see if its different

[tight spade]

really appreciate this

[strange mural]

these are nice though the second half of test 2 really grooves

makes me think of the John Legend song in LA LA land

I mean it doesn't sound like it it just is what I thought of

But yeah all pretty solidly f

four

No worries it was fun listening to it... distracted me from my own Suno issues

I don

I don't know that I have ever heard Suno do an odd meter

3/4 and 4/4 are all I've ever heard but never tried.

What are you typing in??

[tight spade]

secret for now

ill let you know in a bit dont want t o make a ass of my self

[strange mural]

LOL - no worries I just tried requesting 7/8 meter and one totally was 4, but one had like 2 off measures that were weird enough it may have done it but it settled into four pretty quickly after that

[fluid vault]

Any luck?

[tight spade]

i have to train my ear, that's another reason for anthemscore, i am very visual. see and hearing i know theres other apps but this seems to do alot

[leaden lark]

I just got home from work, I’ll need a bit

[fluid vault]

Oh! Copy!

[tight spade]

is suno having sroke for any one eles?.... lol singing in random words and languages ..

this is supposed to a instrumental .

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately, hallucinations are a pain, especially in vocal-heavy genres .

I found that if you are looking to make a pure instrumental song, it is better using various instrumental tags in the lyric box in Custom Mode rather than relying on the instrumental switch.

It mostly helps avoid hallucination (but this still depends significantly on the genre used) and can pad out to the max time if you have a sufficient number of it (as well as giving you control on how/what you want)

Shiroken had noted (https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1261146873331318835) that three metatags can be used consecutively without a break between them

Example:

• RayanAIR's Novo Lands

[tight spade]

thanks

soooo i found you need at least 3 instruments in your custom lyric prompts for custom example" [note:[Instruments: piano, violin" will give you the baby jabber crud. but when you add a third type " [note: [ instruments: percussions, piano , violin " no more baby jabber crud ! just beautiful produced musical instrumentals,

[hollow hare]

Well, I can certainly say I never did it like that but glad you found out how to make it work like you want.

I usually stuck to simple, general instrumental tags. (I know that you can be specific but I often like what the AI generated).
An example of one of my instrumental tests: https://suno.com/song/05b9cd7c-7290-4549-b422-af3207f2178e

[untold briar]

Do you have an example of the "baby jabber" audio? Probably more of a quirk of that prompt than a rule about using 2 or 3 instruments.

[untold briar]

Was the style prompt "piano, violin" ?

[tight spade]

grand piano and violin

sry

and in styals polymetric, Instrumental

[untold briar]

piano might be a lot stronger than violin. So possible you would get similar result from "violin, piano, violin, violin" (though using more diverse words will be better).

polymetric isn't one I've tried, seems neat.!

Quick test: a single violin sometimes isn't strong enough to overpower the default Suno "piano" style. violin, grand seems better maybe though? Like grand, by itself, gives you a piano, but not so much piano it dominates.

[tight spade]

hmm intresting ill try thoes

sothing i found intresting. to do with music and may help people. https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/10488/polymeter-vs-polyrhythm

why does the title use up 80 characters? can we put any thing interesting in here i wonder? other then title ?

[iron gate]

Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the right place; but i don't know much about music.

I'm trying to replicate the guitar sounds (and overall sound) of a certain song i love but i don't know how to describe the guitar and synths. Anyone have any ideas? Is there a site that can tell you what instruments are used?

https://youtu.be/2U5g_uot2zQ?si=fNQrlUWJOS16OPBB&t=87

[tight spade]

https://chordify.net/

[radiant kiln]

Why is it so uncertain when creating music with male and female voices in Suno? What should I do if a music style requested with a male voice comes out with a female voice? I would like Suno to add a separate option to distinguish between male and female voice actors. I feel very frustrated when I see my credits that have disappeared uselessly.

I requested male voice actors, but all 8 tracks are in female voices.

I'm so frustrated that I repeated "male voice" three times in the music style prompt, but it feels like I'm being mocked as it continues to produce female voices. It's really exasperating.

I would like to delete the auto-generated music and get my credits back.

[iron gate]

not really helpful, only breaks down one instrument

[tight spade]

https://studio.moises.ai/

i dunno try that

[sweet wigeon]

#💡┃suggestions-web It's funny that while few days ago guys here said, it is not possible to reach exact tempo by prompt, while I had different experience and confirmed by metronome tag. We are still in long term learning of how to communicate with AI, but as I said before, I will repeat it again. Most if not all the GPT are trained to communicate with ppl, not just machines. That's why they need to be trained on lots of theory stuff including music. They communicate same way, so if you try someting what works on Udio, it will work for Suno too. But you will need to find the way how to pass it to Suno. One point I am sad about Suno is that they still miss such basic prompt like Udio has. I need it. I can pass my instruction in style tags and name tag, and secondary into the lyrics, but it would make sense to pass them directly to the main promt, not to the lyrics only. Because this is the place, where you gonna say to Suno how to interpret brackets and semantics or your marking language. This is how the GPT works. The Suno Song Composer by Michael just confirms the already known theory/practice. I need to emphasize it is good to try more models not just ChatGPT.

🎸 I tried LLama to get a list of guitar rhythms and techniques for guitar rhythms (classic). And I will try with ChatGPT too. I would like to suggest if there would be more ppl to do the same, why not to create a single blogspot.com page for this purpose, where would be more people from this channel, 🎻 to gather these playing techniques, rhythms for each instrument? Let's say each instrument could have like 3 articles of known playing techniques, or rhythms plus one article with high quality music samples (links to youtube.com channel). These samples should demonstrate how the techniques sound. I already did this with three demonstrations but run out of credits for this month. But I think the quality is ammazing, just when I have created like 5th or 6th generation, the bad slide notes are included in the next extensions. The need of the blog is real, because we cannot share the links to concurrent pages, but to Youtube we can. This is the reason why I cannot post here my demonstrations. This activity should not harm Suno bussiness, it's just to understand the names of techniques, learn how they sound, what we can learn if we are learning music. So drummers, could have their own articles and demonstrations tagged like drums_shuffle, while guitarists will have classic_guitar_shuffle ...

[tight spade]

hi can i share some finding that may work. can i dm you.

any one here awake that into piano and has a good ear

[iron gate]

Again not useful, I have to sign up to these sites and all they do is break down the notes

[tight spade]

well you got to pay some times to figure stuff out

google is your friend its very smart, ask it questions

[iron gate]

that's what i've been doing - thanks for the starters though 👍

I just thought there would be a go-to that was popular with casual Suno users

[tight spade]

athemscore

is another one , audicity

sry im tired iv been working on suno all day and night

lol , i quit drinking now iam adicted to suno

[tender wasp]

My songs are cut in middle and 1-2 minutes long. How can I fix this?

I want to be able to generate 4 min instrumental music

[tight spade]

o generate long instrumentals using Suno, you can utilize specific prompts and strategies that guide the AI in extending the musical piece. Here are some key approaches:

1. Detailed and Layered Prompts
   Extend Sections: Specify longer durations for each section (intro, verse, chorus, etc.) by using descriptions that encourage elaboration. For example, you can describe multiple phases within a single section, such as a gradual build-up, a peak, and a wind-down.
   Use of Repetitions and Variations: Indicate that certain themes or motifs should be repeated with variations. This helps in extending the length while maintaining interest.
2. Incorporating Dynamic Changes and Modulations
   Dynamics: Specify changes in dynamics (soft to loud, and vice versa) to create long instrumental build-ups and transitions.
   Key Changes: Include modulations (key changes) to refresh the piece and extend its length naturally.
3. Use of Multiple Meters and Tempos
   Meter Changes: Indicate transitions between different meters (e.g., 4/4, 5/4, 7/8) to introduce complexity and prolong sections.
   Tempo Variations: Suggest varying tempos within the piece, which can elongate the musical narrative.
4. Development Sections
   Add Solos and Instrumental Breaks: Specify sections for instrument solos (e.g., piano, violin, cello) and instrumental breaks where the focus shifts to a particular instrument or group.
   Interludes and Codas: Include interludes and codas in the structure, allowing for exploratory passages and a more extended ending.
5. Descriptive and Narrative Prompts
   Narrative Descriptions: Use detailed descriptions that paint a picture or tell

a story. For example, describe a "journey" from calm to intense, allowing for natural extensions in the music.
Emotion and Atmosphere: Indicate the desired emotional and atmospheric changes throughout the piece to guide dynamic and structural expansions.

[iron gate]

huge congrats on quitting drinking!!

[tight spade]

took 5 weeks of ups and downs

[iron gate]

Duuude.. i'm tryint not to start again. Drink puts me in bananas mode!

[tight spade]

not me i just drink all day lol and night then repeat , iv had a few weekends 70 beers

come with the industry lol i was in

[iron gate]

ahhh that makes sense

habbitual

I used to drink cheap

buy special brew (high percentage) and add soda (in the UK Irn Bru)

that way I could make 1 big can turn into 2 pints of normal %

[tight spade]

wow,

lol

woodhouse

[iron gate]

hehe tasted amazing! and addictive

[tight spade]

well here it is gen 2 extends

gen 1

all custom

[naive quail]

https://sonoteller.ai/2U5g_uot2zQ can give you some ideas to experiment with

[iron gate]

Sure! https://youtu.be/2U5g_uot2zQ?si=wrfws5ubOmJ-BYHj

[sweet wigeon]

hello, of sure you can PM me

[tight spade]

?

[arctic kite]

hey guys! i haven't made instrumentals in a while and i noticed it only gives me like 1-2 minutes on v. 3.5. how do you guys make the instrumental songs also 4 minutes long?

[sweet wigeon]

what means DM?

[tight spade]

Direct message same thing as pm

[tight spade]

some time you get lucky , but mostly work

o create long instrumental compositions using Suno or any other AI music generation platform, you can use several strategies to guide the AI in generating extended pieces. Here are some key approaches:

1. Detailed Prompting
   Specify Extended Sections: Explicitly request longer durations for specific sections (intro, verse, chorus, etc.). Use phrases like "extended introduction," "elongated build-up," and "lengthy instrumental break."
   Incorporate Multiple Variations: Request variations within the same section. For instance, "repeat the main theme with variations" or "explore different harmonic textures."
2. Use of Repetitive Structures with Variations
   Repetitive Themes: Specify a recurring theme or motif that can be revisited with different arrangements or variations.
   Gradual Evolution: Encourage gradual development over time, such as slowly building up or stripping down layers.
3. Dynamic Changes and Modulation
   Dynamic Range: Include instructions for wide dynamic ranges, moving from soft to loud sections. This adds variety and maintains interest over longer periods.
   Key Changes and Modulations: Incorporate key changes or modulations to refresh the composition and extend its length.
4. Detailed Section Descriptions
   Narrative Elements: Use descriptive language to create a musical narrative, guiding the AI to extend the piece by telling a story through the music.
   Subsections within Sections: Define multiple subsections within a single part of the piece, such as "initial build-up," "climax," "resolution," and "coda."
5. Complex Arrangements
   Layered Instrumentation: Specify complex layering of instruments, with different instruments coming in and out at different times.
   Polyrhythmic and Polymetric Elements: Use polyrhythms and polymeter to add complexity and lengthen the piece.

6. Specific Musical Forms
   Classical Forms: Request specific classical forms known for their length, such as sonatas, symphonies, or concertos.
   Free-form or Experimental: Ask for free-form or experimental compositions that explore different musical ideas over an extended period.
   Sample Prompt for Long Instrumentals:

[arctic kite]

thanks a lot 🙂

[tight spade]

also suno.wiki, sunoaiwiki.com (for prompts)

explore, use suno ai help if you have chat gpt , as real questions about music look things up

[hybrid estuary]

Does any one know a command or way to get Psychotic laughter: in to a song ?

[pliant grove]

Question: Is there a trick in extending? Sometimes it feels like it fits perfectly and sometimes the music and lyrics just get scrambled. Do you need to extend after a verse or a specific beat? or can you can enter ay timecode.

For example, I like the intro of a song and verse 1, but I'd like to continue with a new verse 2. Verse 1 ends at 00:18 but when I select that timecode it doesn't smoothly translate.

[tight spade]

yes listen to whole song then find the spot the the music ends or instruments , remember that time. : in the extend field 03:00 was it and your music lyrics at 2:45 you want to impute rougly 4 - 6 seconds evefurther so say type in 02:40 then hit create

sry im tired lol

[pliant grove]

So, you 'll want to use a timecode a few seconds before the part you want to extend or change or add?

[tight spade]

yes

make sure the text your entering has 3 lines down from the top atleast or it wont work well

!

!

!

just hit enter three times

then you continued lyrics

[tight spade]

in away yes..

[intro upbeat music]
Welcome to the show, everyone! We're so glad to have you here tonight. We've got a great lineup, starting with a hilarious stand-up act.
[audience laughing]
That was a good one! Remember, the more you laugh, the funnier the jokes get.
[giggles]
Now, let's keep the energy up and enjoy the night!

[hybrid estuary]

I Am up to try it every thing i have tried so far has kind of worked badly or failed! Trying to get like manic broken laughter to end a song

[tight spade]

can try this i m out of credit to try it : [mystical background music]
As the kaleidoscopic visuals danced around the room, the air was filled with a strange, echoing sound.
[audience laughing, echo, reverb]
It was as if the laughter was coming from another dimension, warped and ethereal, adding to the surreal atmosphere of the experience.
[maniacal laughter, distorted, slow]
The echoes continued to ripple through the space, blending with the ambient music.

[hybrid estuary]

this is what i try sorry cant type it woodhouse pops up lol

Thank you i apreciat ethe help i will try that 🙂

[quick agate]

no way to re-use a seed is there? I found a perfect song/style
but trying to go back and change the lyrics makes it difficult.
would love to be able to re-use the seed to get the same results.

[sweet wigeon]

Are you asking about melody or about chords/notes? The melody was definitely various, the notes, the chords may be same, but played differently, different melody, you have legato and straccato and many other playing techniques for piano and other instruments.

[tight spade]

yuh i think i figured it out what we were talking about just gonna give a go in the after noon

[woeful oak]

Omg I really really need to be able to sort stuff in the library by time of generation.

I’m numbering names of clips as I make them but auto numbering would be better (concatenated to my song title)

also Folders would be awesome. So easy to get lost with where everything is

[sweet wigeon]

#💡┃suggestions-web We Need to be added something like Catalogue section on the Suno website. You could then select from subcategory specifying the way of sorting. Under date sub-item we could find "ul" list by year, month, week, day ... something in the way like on blogspot.com blogs. You could have more items not just date.

[daring lava]

I didn’t recognize anything that significantly stood out

[tight spade]

you still up i couldnt sleep lol, but i may have the special soup:

[charred merlin]

I started rambling about this the first day that I became an alpha tester, and I've barely shut up about it since. I have genuine hopes that it'll be easier to organize your workspace soon enough.

[untold briar]

I spammed a few repeat tests. not much different.

dolby-atmos is kind of weak (1x might do very little). Kind of generic "trailer" music in the best case, "stock music" in the worst.

wide-spectrum is stronger and similar. I think little more music variety (some acoustic stuff) and maybe a little more stereo effect?. Still kind of stock-music-ish though.

Sometimes a tag is boring by itself (like "field recording") but great in combinations. That is the exception i think, but both these words do have a of a more generic meaning (they don't describe a specific kind of music) so maybe could be. but that takes longer than a quick test.

OH forgot link https://suno.com/playlist/39009f5f-26a2-4228-a274-9f49d0ced72e

Out of credits on my main account.

[charred merlin]

@daring lava, Like Jon is noting here, these metatags are incredibly likely to show up in SOME sort of song tagging, (SixStringToker has shared a lot of stuff regarding non-music generations, like spoken-word, audiobook, standup-comedy, weather, etc.) but I'm taking this as strong confirmation that it doesn't have any more tangible effect on a song than an unrelated thematic-decorator / prompt noise.

Like using the same image-gen seed & prompt, but just adding a single keyword to see what minor variations occur -- often adding ANY word will give the same kind of variations, so it's hard to discern the actual impact it has without letting our own confirmation biases colour the results. 🤔

[charred merlin]

Let me know if there's anything you ever want me to use as a test, I'm happy to spam a BUNCH

[untold briar]

oh god wide-spectrum, country actually sounds like country crossed with stock music, like just how you imagine that music blended into country. kind of epically horrible in its own way https://suno.com/song/ec4441b0-0f2d-4d02-89bf-de0a5bda2d7c

[charred merlin]

I'm pretty sure that's just the new meta after that country-rap song got famous? 😛

[charred merlin]

I'm trying really hard to imagine where this could be used practically, and now there's smoke coming out of my left ear.

Like -- it's so conflicting because objectively it follows so many patterns and checks so many boxes that it should be good.

Is this what the Uncanney Audio Valley is?!

[agile veldt]

Hmm... the videos have audibly lower audio quality than the mp3 files. Has this been reported?

And I mean, it's weird because they are AAC audio at the same sample rate and bitrate (compression ratio) as the mp3 files, but AAC (mp4) usually sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrate. So the videos should in fact sound better than the mp3 files, but they sure don't. 🤔

When I compress the .wav to AAC myself (again same 192 kbit/sec bitrate at 48 kHz) i get far better quality than Suno's videos... at the same file size.
Isn't that a bit odd?

Yeah, they used to be even worse indeed.

But there's still room for improvement. I wonder what sort of weird encoder setting they're using. Default ffmpeg settings sound far better.

okay so this discord doesn't allow me to post an example

but simply using ffmpeg's default settings sound far better... and give the same file size.

(with -ab 192000 obviously for 192 kbit/sec)

maybe they're using some dodgy python library 😑

[charred merlin]

I feel like it's been mentioned before, but unfortunately there hasn't been a lot of technical detailing in regards to the reports -- it's completely welcome here as well so we can investigate it out of curiosities, but #💡┃suggestions-web or #🪲┃bugs-web (depending on how egregious you feel the issue is) might be another good place to share the idea so more eyes get on the matter?

[agile veldt]

will do.

[charred merlin]

Beyond the vaguely discernable "thematic directions" they might add, was your takeaway from the 3x and 6x experiments the same as the initial playlist?

[untold briar]

No difference really. i thought if there was some 3D dolby stereo thing happening, might be obvious when repeated

[charred merlin]

I appreciate you building on the idea 🙂 -- I tried to isolate it simply by removing anything else, but since it's such a commonly used prompt it really deserved to be approached from a closer angle.

[frigid cove]

So, got my first extension to work the way I want thanks to theharber. and Graph1ks.

However, it did something weird with the alternate. The lyrics are all weird at parts.

So, here's the "good version" that came out fine:
https://suno.com/song/66ec1581-b3ed-4f81-bdac-31f1d912d093

Here's the alternate one that behaves oddly, like at 2:09 and 3:22 being the worst:
https://suno.com/song/c427a850-cdea-4447-9dea-2ccb23883353

Anyone know what the world happened for the alternate one?

[charred merlin]

Hrm, while sometimes Suno can repeat earlier lyrics or "hallucinate" words, I don't necessarily hear anything explicitly "weird", beyond maybe @3:22 where it sort of sounds like they're mashing up "now out here" into "nnnnOut here on the line", but since it's "ramping up" into a verse it seems to fit thematically, though it might not have been what you'd expected?

[frigid cove]

Ah, sorry. Let me put a more accurate time. Like 2:13-2:19 for instance, or 3:26-3:31.

[naive quail]

'could just be Suno getting tripped up by the verse numbers starting over with the extension that started just before that.

[frigid cove]

Huh. Maybe. I'll have to keep an eye on that.

[charred merlin]

In the 2:13 - 2:19 section, what are you hearing vs what you're expecting to hear? Just to make sure we're listening for the same things - sorry, my bad, I hear the repeating lyrics -- that's due to Suno being given too much to juggle all at once

[frigid cove]

How it's repeating multiple times and-

Heh, no worries. I know what it's like to have to juggle a bunch of things at once. XD

[charred merlin]

But it sounds like you were able to resolve the issue by keeping the earlier section that you liked and continuing from just before "the bad section" started, right?

[frigid cove]

When I extended it, it gave me 2 variants.

Both of those links are those variants, or versions, however you wanna put it.

Er, like when it generated the "full song" it made 2 versions. Does that make sense?

[charred merlin]

I'm pretty sure clicking "get whole song" only gives 1, based on the extensions you're using, but if you "Extend" it gives 2 different versions. Is that the case we're talking about, or was it specifically from "get whole song"?

It would make more sense if it was 2 different versions from "Extend", and only 1 of them "fit the bill" while the other was "close but no cigar", while I'd think that some sort of hiccup occured if "get whole song" is giving you audio that you didn't specifically choose from your library

[naive quail]

it looks like the extension starts around the 2min mark and starts the verse numbering over from scratch rather than continuing the numbering from the previous point. That may be contributing.

[frigid cove]

Oh, sorry! Somtimes I suffer from confusion and memory loss so I get things mixed up. 😅

So, I extended the original song it which gave me the two, uh, extensions. Then I used the Get Whole Song function for both.

[charred merlin]

Not a problem in the slightest -- there's a lot of moving parts when making a Suno song, and we're still developing our own "shorthand" as we go, so as long as people are willing to be patient and help us understand, we're happy you're hanging out with us ❤️

[frigid cove]

Yeah, sometimes it certainly ain't simple. Lot of stuff going on. I mean, it is AI generation we're working with after all. Won't have to worry about impatience from me. I know all too well what it's like dealing with folks that don't have the patience to deal with me, ain't no fun.

[fluid vault]

@charred merlin Is there a workflow with a bunch of metatags to help me?

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/ There's the old community wiki, but keep in mind these aren't guaranteed to work any more than others -- it's more a matter of showing what different kinds of things can be used.

[fluid vault]

That's fine! Tyvm!

[charred merlin]

While different people might compile lists that they find helpful, it's most important to remember that there aren't specific "right ways" to prompt, so experimentation and observation are key 💪

[fluid vault]

I was hoping for some examples tbh

Understandable

[charred merlin]

There are examples on that site I linked you to

I don't believe anyone has made a Workflow page with a list of metatags, as it's a similar concept to asking "what different questions can I ask to chatgpt?" -- instead of finding a list of questions, you'd be more likely to find someone trying to explain the simple ways you can talk to chatgpt, and trying to explain why "super complex" instructions don't work

[fluid vault]

Omg.. guess I need to click the links below! Sorry 😐

[charred merlin]

That being said, I think there's a google docs file people are sharing with a big list of metatags if you'd still like to look through some things other users have tried, but I don't have a copy of that sheet. 🙏

[fluid vault]

I love you! You are most epic my dear friend!

[charred merlin]

You're very kind to say that, thank you sincerely 🙂

You've been incredibly polite and friendly in our interactions so far -- sending love back your way for being such a fast-friend!

[fluid vault]

I was blessed with a sunny disposition!

I'm not to bright though! But that's okay! I make up for it in working with my hands, I can make anything!

[viral moss]

Think I got it
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1nR7szQxBp1ySUwuOPkIDFcrhLrCM52VZ/mobilebasic

[charred merlin]

I see you're modest as well 😄 ❤️

Even when it's the easier thing to do, being kind is still a choice that one needs to make.

I'd rather spend time with a kind person who admits they're learning along with me and wants to collaborate than a jerk who knows everything and would rather do it by themselves.

@fluid vault, my friend MetalZealot tracked down that google docs for you! ^^^

[charred merlin]

Thanks man, I'd heard it being mentioned but never thought to track it down -- can't hurt for me to bookmark it for instances like this.

[fluid vault]

@viral moss your amazing! Tyvm!

[viral moss]

I actually had found a few, but this was the most updated one.
Would be good to add these to the community wiki too!

[sweet wigeon]

does woodhouse delete the links to music now?

[fluid vault]

https://suno.com/song/bfa7f836-319b-4101-ad25-64e4ba7c6b8b

? No??

[fluid vault]

This is perfect. Ty so much!

[charred merlin]

Where are you sharing the song link? You can't share suno links in off-topic, and I think it's still only 1 post per hour in the showcase

[viral moss]

For showcase? No more than 4 links, no links outside of Suno/YouTube/Spotify, no headers, no swears. That will make woody delete your post

[charred merlin]

Sometimes @flint haven is just a very hungry robot and will decide to eat your post because @unique stone forgot to feed him.

[viral moss]

Sometimes Woody forgets shit's fucked and misses stuff

[fluid vault]

Yes @charred merlin Posts yesterday was crazy, @flint haven was very.. very .. I mean very! Hungry

Lol

[unique stone]

Looks like Woodhouse deleted a message that had 4 links in it.

[sweet wigeon]

Should be two links

[unique stone]

Ahh I might be misreading the log message. It says "too many attachments", not links.

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/song/9e04fc39-45ea-44e3-8095-709fe5d3d50e

[sweet wigeon]

Two links for showcase, but I wanted to share the metatags here too (in the song). Should I paste the metatags here first?

[unique stone]

Was there anything attached to the post? Like images etc?

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/song/e5073af4-008a-42a5-8a8b-a355afd99d8f

There yuh goo

[sweet wigeon]

thanks stratuss for posting

[tight spade]

Np

Hope ppl can use the technique

[sweet wigeon]

No idea why, but Suno refunded credits, so I can extend it ... So I added the style tags classic, legato, acoustic instruments
and metatags:

[note: [instruments-technique: legato, Goldberg Variations, Art of Fugue],
[note: [COMPOSITION-INSPIRATION-PERIOD : Leipzig period (1723-1750)],

[muted ocean]

hello, is there an easy way to keep everything the same except change a few lyrics?

[charred merlin]

We're hoping that there'll be features like "in-painting" in future models where you could select a tiny clip to "regenerate", but as of right now the only way to handle this issue is to create an Extension before the spot you want to change and try to recreate the song correctly, and "get whole song" afterward to stitch everything together.

It won't be 100% exactly the same, but if the song is "musically cohesive" enough, Suno will have an easier time to recreate something very similar

[night notch]

Guys is anyone having generation problems? I have now consumed more than 1000 credits in 2 days and all the songs, especially for the ending of the song, generate interrupted and dirty audio. Someone like me?

[rough pelican]

3.5 really has no idea what Phonk is at all

[charred merlin]

3.5 veers toward "generic" if you don't have effective use of prompts or if it doesn't have a context to extend from.

Try v3 or find more ways to describe "phonk" 🙏

[charred merlin]

I haven't had any issues -- can you share an example of a song where the audio is noticably dirty or interrupted? This way we can try to help figure out what the issue is.

[rough pelican]

yeah that's basically what i've been doing, i think with the nature of phonk too, v3 just blows out the bass and is almost unlistenable haha

I've probably gone through 300 credits trying to get even a close semblance of that distinctive cowbell synth that phonk has, and I can't get anything in 3.5

[night notch]

yes

look at the end, it often happens to me like this even before.

[charred merlin]

Even if it's not 100% what you want it to be, if you have a rough idea of what kind of output you get from "phonk", use it as a foundation and build on that knowledge.

For me "math rock" was too obnoxiously fast, but the trick wasn't to throw away the baby with the bathwater, I just needed to pair "math rock" with "thematic prompt decorations" to try to "calm it down"

Now I do "math rock, sleepy" or something like that to keep what I KNOW works about math-rock, and then try to nudge it in different directions, instead of starting ALL over

[charred merlin]

Can you share the timestamp (eg. 1:23) and tell me what you're hearing vs what you'd want to hear?

Sorry, didn't see how short it was

Oh yeah, I've had a couple "scratches" like that at the end of my tracks, doesn't happen very often -- ... > report > bugs > poor audio is the most we can do in the meantime, but if you find that it keeps happening over and over, try moving the extension point by a second in one direction or the other just to see if you can "jostle something loose"

[sweet wigeon]

no. You can specify very much details like instruments chords, notes for melody style, playing techniques and many others, but you still will not get the same results, but very similar. I suggest to checkout the metatags from stratuss, send recently. You need to learn a lot about music if you want to get consistent results.

[terse creek]

Hey there, is there any easy way to make suno create copyright free music like beethoven for example?

[charred merlin]

I'd like to make sure I understand the context of the question before trying to answer -- before addressing the legal / copyright side of things, if I understand correctly you're wanting to make Classical / Romantic-period music, correct?

[terse creek]

I'd like to give an interpretation to an original classical piece of art like The Hall of the Mountain King by Peer Gynt.

[charred merlin]

Okay, cool!

So while we aren't able to explicitly use the composer's name or the name of the piece to "copy the style", we absolutely can prompt those same evocative or musically-descriptive terms that describe the song 🙂

[tight spade]

this may help some: just showcasing the tech side of things https://suno.com/song/3ed99c29-4a99-4976-96c6-63421411641d

[charred merlin]

Can you explain what technical-aspects you're showcasing? Or are you just sharing a song that you're proud of?

[tight spade]

i am not showcasing it be cause im proud of , look at the tags they are asking about clasical music

[charred merlin]

There is so much thrown into these tags I legitimately have no idea what it's attempting.

[tight spade]

well do ur research

[charred merlin]

Tell me which of these works?

[tight spade]

listen to music and see for you self

[charred merlin]

I can tell you, it's none of them.

[tight spade]

ok fine

how tell me how

[charred merlin]

The onus isn't on everyone else to explain to you why you haven't demonstrated anything tangibly helpful, the onus is on yourself to explain what you're talking about.

[tight spade]

ill break it dow for you then

[charred merlin]

Yes, please.

[tight spade]

it addds cnsistancy

[charred merlin]

opinion

[tight spade]

ok and can you prove your opinon

?

you dis prove me

dissable it

pice by pice

[charred merlin]

How many times do I need to do this? Each song you've posted consists of wilder and wilder collections of prompts, which we've continued to disprove -- which includes showing our work and explaining our rationale.

When you share songs and say "it works for me", you're not demonstrating anything actionably helpful.

I know I'm being cheeky, but even the first metatag is wrong 😛

?

[tight spade]

metronome

title dosnt work i was testing it

pace (tempo)

i have ask other ppl befor posting if things work

[charred merlin]

Saying "metronome" doesn't explain how you expect Suno to use both at the same time.

Where all of the soft mallets?

Those were ignored, but it definitely listened to everything else, right?

[tight spade]

n musical scores, the "meter" (or "time signature") is a notational convention that indicates the rhythmic structure of a piece of music. It defines how many beats are in each measure (or bar) and what note value constitutes one beat. This information helps musicians understand the timing and rhythm they need to follow while playing the piece.

Components of Meter:
Time Signature: The meter is typically represented by a time signature, which appears at the beginning of a piece of music and whenever the meter changes. The time signature consists of two numbers, one on top of the other, such as 4/4, 3/4, 6/8, etc.

Top Number: Indicates the number of beats in each measure. For example, in 4/4 time, there are four beats per measure.
Bottom Number: Indicates the note value that represents one beat. For example, in 4/4 time, the quarter note (represented by the number 4) gets one beat.
Common Meters:
Simple Meter: Each beat can be divided into two equal parts.

4/4 (Common Time): Four quarter-note beats per measure. It's the most common time signature in Western music.
3/4: Three quarter-note beats per measure. Often associated with waltz music.
2/4: Two quarter-note beats per measure. Common in marches and polkas.
Compound Meter: Each beat can be divided into three equal parts.

6/8: Six eighth-note beats per measure, grouped into two sets of three. Common in folk music and fast dance music.
9/8: Nine eighth-note beats per measure, grouped into three sets of three.
12/8: Twelve eighth-note beats per measure, grouped into four sets of three.
Asymmetric (Irregular) Meter: These meters have an irregular number of beats, often creating a unique rhythmic feel.

5/4: Five quarter-note beats per measure. Known from pieces like Dave Brubeck's "Take Five."
7/8: Seven eighth-note beats per measure, which can be grouped in various ways (e.g., 3+2+2).
Notational and Performance Aspects:
Measure (Bar): A segment of time defined by a given number of beats, delineated by vertical bar lines on the staff.
Beat: The basic unit of time, typically the pulse one can tap their foot to.
Tempo: Though not part of the meter, the tempo determines the speed of the beats, indicated by terms like "Allegro," "Andante," or a specific beats-per-minute (BPM) marking.
Understanding the meter is crucial for performers to interpret the rhythm and flow of the music accurately. It provides the framework for timing and accentuation, contributing significantly to the character and style of the piece.

[charred merlin]

🤦‍♂️ I'm glad that you've found helpful reading material, but you're not answering any questions.

[charred merlin]

I genuinely hope you don't feel the need to explain what a time signature is?

[tight spade]

i dont know how to answer you dang question

they are grouped together and work

Tempo in bps (Beats Per Second)
Conversion Formula:
bps

BPM
60
bps=
60
BPM
​

Examples of Tempo Indications in bps:
Largo: Very slow and broad (0.67 - 1.00 bps)
Adagio: Slow and stately (1.10 - 1.27 bps)
Andante: Walking pace (1.27 - 1.80 bps)
Moderato: Moderate speed (1.80 - 2.00 bps)
Allegro: Fast and lively (2.00 - 2.80 bps)
Presto: Very fast (2.80 - 3.33 bps)
Application in a Composition:
If a composition originally indicated a tempo of 120 BPM, you would convert this to bps by calculating:
bps

120
60

2
 
bps
bps=
60
120
​
=2bps

Example in a Score:
If a specific section of the score indicates a tempo of Moderato (108-120 BPM), this would translate to a pace of 1.80 - 2.00 bps.

Updated Score Indications in bps:

[note: [Pace: 0.6 - 1.8 bps]]

In the original composition model:

[Pace: 0.6 - 1.8 bps]: This indicates that the music should proceed at a pace where each beat is between 0.6 and 1.8 beats per second, equivalent to a range of 36 to 108 BPM.
For a more accurate setting, you could specify:

[Pace: 1.0 - 1.2 bps]: Corresponds to 60 - 72 BPM, often associated with a slower, moderate pace.
[Pace: 2.0 - 2.8 bps]: Corresponds to 120 - 168 BPM, suitable for faster, lively sections.

suno uses this

[charred merlin]

This is getting close to spam.

[tight spade]

kick me bann me i done with you

[charred merlin]

Instead of copying & pasting anything, please let's just talk about the song.

[tight spade]

it all has to do with it you donky

you remove any of the notes you get garbage

[charred merlin]

That's not very polite, but moving forward.

In the first section you include "timpani, bass drum, cymbals" -- can you show me where those are included?

Or were those 3 instruments not included?

[tight spade]

[Instrumental Intro]
[Instruments: first violin, bassoon, cello, double bass, harpsichord, bass drum, cymbals]
[Meter: 3/4, 6/8]
[Pace: 0.6 - 1.0 bps]
[Chord Progression:
[first violin: Dm - Gm - A - Bb - F - C - A]
[bassoon: Gm - A - Dm - Bb - C - F - A]
[cello: A - Dm - Gm - Bb - F - C - A]
[double bass: Dm - Gm - A - Bb - F - C - A]
[harpsichord: Dm - Gm - A - Bb - F - C - A]]
[bass drum and cymbals: Powerful rhythmic support]
[Play Styles:
[first violin: Detaché]
[bassoon: Vibrato]
[cello: Staccato]
[double bass: Pizzicato]
[harpsichord: Ornamented melodies]
[bass drum: Dynamic swells]
[cymbals: Dynamic swells]]

ech section shows you what it will geneally try and play

it will not play all instruments enless i have the chords , but brb i add every one

[charred merlin]

Instead of making another song, please answer the question I asked about the song you've shared, it's not helpful to learn by constantly being shown new ideas without having a single conversational-volley. 🙏

In the first section you include "timpani, bass drum, cymbals" -- can you show me where those are included in the song you shared earlier?

Or did Suno not listen to that command?

[charred merlin]

I understand that you are using very clear and understandable musical language -- it is very readable for a human musician.

Instead of explaining what time signatures are, please understand that I'm trying to highlight the fact that Suno doesn't listen to a LARGE number of these questions, especially when presented as "commands" or "coding", very similarly to how we weren't able to determine beats per minute (same issue with beats per second or Hertz)

[sweet wigeon]

I can understand the tags, and I don't have manual to them.

[charred merlin]

@sweet wigeon, like I said in the comment just above, they are readable for a human, but there is so much being requested (and the large majority of it being ignored) that it's not helpful to simply share the song and say "this works for getting classical".

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/song/9aba454c-71c5-4841-b8bf-730f8af4fe86

[sweet wigeon]

Well, some instruments or instructions are skipped, others are included.

[charred merlin]

As noted since v2, https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/, Suno responds best to short 2-3 word metatags, not "command prompts". This has been proven many times.

Statruss is demonstrating SO many things at once, that it is "confirmation bias" to claim that "it does what I want, and ignores the things I don't care about"

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/song/ffad90bf-1ae4-4302-a16a-47746597e81c

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

@tight spade, before sharing more songs, please attempt to "show your work" for the first song shared.

In the first section you include "timpani, bass drum, cymbals" -- can you show me where those are included in the song you shared earlier?

Or did Suno not listen to that command?

[tight spade]

[note: are notes for sun to take NOTE not to produce .

when i tell suno to produce it it will be there in note for it to produce in lyrics

[charred merlin]

Yes -- the list of instruments was note "sung", but the song does not include those instruments -- correct or false?

[tight spade]

its a fourmula

[charred merlin]

I am not able to hear "timpani", "bass drum" or "cymbals"

[tight spade]

whats you musical back ground

[charred merlin]

Kiwanis vocal trained, multiinstrumentalist for over 25 years.

I assumed you were asking genuinely, to ask if I was basing my responses on anything, but it seems the question might not have been in good faith?

[tight spade]

good for you

[charred merlin]

David, I'm not able to keep this pace up any longer, or at least maintaining a semblance of professional courtesy, especially without even guide timeouts.

[sweet wigeon]

the pizzicato mentioned t=0:30-0:40 is not there, it is later after the drama finished at t=~1:20. Double bass pizzicato on the end is missing too, but could be included in extension later. It is possible, that Suno will not include all instructions because simply it does not fit to the music in the moment. It needs time to get there, it is not easy to compose all things together. Imagine it be a story telling. It is not so easy to fit all you imagine, it might not fit to GPT imagination of the written imaginary "story".

[daring lava]

Thank you all for sharing what you have been learning along the way. Looking forward to experimenting with what you all have been testing. Have fun creating!

[charred merlin]

Have I been overstepping by asking people to show their work?

late edit to add clarity -- I was asking if I, as a fellow non-moderator, had imposed my own preferences for what content was being shared. Apologies if that was the case

[daring lava]

People share what they want to when they want to. Always welcomed, never expected 🙂

[charred merlin]

Okay, if calling me a donkey is allowed for asking someone to explain what ChatGPT fed them, I might have wildly misunderstood what this channel was for 😛

*late edit -- this was cheeky of me, and I likely should have removed myself from the situation before responding, as after clarifying with David, I had made a couple incorrect assumptions. Every mistake is just another chance to learn how to do things better next time 🙏 *

[daring lava]

I’m just so impressed with so much back and forth here in technical. So much to learn in these unchartered waters

[charred merlin]

@tight spade, I apologize for questioning your prompts -- share as much as you'd like, we can't learn unless people share their knowledge!

[tight spade]

i lack alot of fundmental social and factialtys to type

i piss ed off allittle

[sweet wigeon]

I did not check the meta tags, but if he kept the classical music tags as I have used, it surely will not use these things, because they don't fit to classical music and the era I have requested. I need to check his tags, though.

Now I see. Strauss used classical tags, not the specific period [note: [Styles: classical, orchestra, symphonies, rich harmony, dynamic contrasts, instrumental]] but I still thing that this might be the issue. If he want moderns elements like bass drum, should not he use some different description of styles?

[odd ledge]

Question : I'm coming from using Rave.dj is there going to be a way to do edits to results in a daw like interface or will we be able to do a mashup like prompt? I'm reading the meta tags now. Is this all there is to create work from?

[fluid vault]

@charred merlin In the short time I've known you, your advice has always been wise and genuine, reflecting a depth of understanding and kindness that I truly appreciate. You consistently offer your thoughts with such politeness and respect, making it easy to listen and learn from you. Please continue to share your wisdom and insights, as they have been invaluable to me and many others. Your guidance makes a significant difference, and I am grateful for it.

@tight spade Just because you're upset doesn't mean you should take it out on others. It's important to manage your feelings without letting them affect those around you.

I love you!

[tight spade]

my feeling sre mine alone they should not effect you

[fluid vault]

While your feelings are indeed your own, the way you express them can impact others. It's important to find ways to cope that don't involve taking out your frustrations on those around you.

[odd ledge]

🫂

[odd ledge]

I’m rather blunt and I’m not seeing the issue. Please consider taking a timeout. Thank you.

[viral moss]

Anyways,

HI GUYS,

Here's a playlist of some tests I've done
https://suno.com/playlist/8d4a7c9d-c3f4-4e6a-a5ac-35e7d328116f

[daring lava]

Looking forward to checking this out later, will provide feedback. Anything in particular I should be looking for?

[viral moss]

It's kind of a mixed bag. There's different Intro prompt combinations, weird anomalies from prompts in Style and lyrics, comparing vowels vs consonants

The more thorough tests have their own playlists

[daring lava]

Sounds like a lot of fun, thanks for explaining and for testing/sharing! Looking forward to checking it out!

[naive quail]

I'm not seeing Suno responding to those instructions. Sure, Suno will cherry pick out the bits that it recognizes such as certain instruments and styles that match up against the training data, but the rest will likely just be filler/prompt noise. I also think that it's best to test these ideas in MUCH smaller bits to demonstrate how they work rather than tossing everything in there at once and generating a 9 minute track.

I feel like even this with just the "notes" and intro still has too much in it for testing... I'm not really seeing Suno respond to the instructions https://suno.com/song/bc3a58bb-28bc-4e57-9bcc-477c5b713579

If I were convinced that all this worked and wanted to demonstrate it, I'd probably leave everything out except the instruments, styles/genres and chord progressions (or maybe just the key) as a demonstration.

[charred merlin]

Ooooh, I've never heard of rave.dj, that's another tool to look into!

There isn't a DAW interface at the moment, but I can't say enough great things about the free-unlimited web-based suite from BandLab #📚┃suno-school message

Just... stupid good value for a free account with no advertising. Like -- so good it makes me angry that bands these days don't need to pay $10,000 to get their album professionally mastered -- they can just do the entire thing from a phone while they're in the bathtub 🤬 its not fair how good it is.

they can even make the songs too -- okay. breather time.

[odd ledge]

I’ve repeatedly read about latency issues with audio and a few problems with the terms when it comes to licensing … I’m looking for the reference

Here’s a help guide - https://blog.bandlab.com/learn-about-copyright/

[hollow hare]

(Remove that link as there is a scene that does not appear PG-13 appropriate)

Thanks 🙂 Gotta keep it family friendly here because of Discord rules

[odd ledge]

Appearances can be deceiving. You should have reviewed and been specific but in the interest of politeness, I’ve removed. Taking a time out.

[hollow hare]

I did, the scene is at 1:52~2:02

[charred merlin]

I just realized you're new to the server! 😅 I probably should have introduced myself or welcomed you before acting like a dweeb 😛 -- there's a LOT of incredibly talented musicians, artists, digital effects masters, etc. who swing through here on a regular basis -- we'll all weirdos and none of us are experts, but I'm really excited to learn from other people. I won't go on a huge tagging spree, but a lot of regulars in this channel have discovered tangible-actionable information about Suno that the rest of us are starting to put together as we all build our own personal "English-to-suno" dictionaries.

There's been a LOT of new faces recently, can I ask how you found out about Suno?

It's a pleasure to make your e-quaintance, by the way 🙂 💜

[odd ledge]

There was no nudity. But I’m not here to argue.

[odd ledge]

Greetings. Not to be sensitive but would you call Criminal by Fiona Apple an issue?

[charred merlin]

I'm legitimately touched, yet every part of my Impostor Syndrome is internally-screaming out reasons why I should try to mentally discount your comment -- my "emotional homework" for tonight is simply to accept that you're speaking honestly, and to let myself really feel your kindness.

Thanks dude, I'm glad we're friends. 🙂

[sweet wigeon]

Sorry to tell you, but this is technical channel, not psychological counseling or therapy channel.

[odd ledge]

It’s a sensitive day. I share your apprehension only because things are just a bit raw in the world right now. Let us both sleep on it and try again tomorrow.

[odd ledge]

Brah, what is it with this server?

[fluid vault]

I understand, and I apologize for bringing this up in the wrong context. Let's keep the discussion focused on the technical aspects here. Thank you for pointing that out.

[odd ledge]

So there’s no professional courtesy? Ok. Good to know.

[fluid vault]

@charred merlin Agreed. ❤️

@odd ledge it is what it is. 😉 I over stepped

[charred merlin]

Dude, so excited to look through these 😄 Thanks for contributing an experiment playlist to the pool party as well! 💙 You rock, dude 💪

[odd ledge]

Meh. I’m just clarifying. I can be very technical. However I’m not interested in being petty. I’d like to work with this project so I’m just getting a lay of the land.

[fluid vault]

It sound like it's a rollercoaster ride! I'm into it

[charred merlin]

@sweet wigeon
We're a chill bunch, usually 🙂

gen-chat moves kinda fast, and usually tech-chat is a bit slower, but there was a crazy afternoon, so we're sort of embracing the supportive atmosphere a bit right now

[odd ledge]

Fair enough. I’ve been trapped in an airport for over 24 hours and I have 10 hours and 55 mins left before I get to start the trip home.

[leaden lark]

[odd ledge]

I’m grumpy as —ck.

[naive quail]

kicks @leaden lark in the knee and points accusingly at @fluid vault

So rude!

[odd ledge]

The voice of reason

[fluid vault]

@.@

[naive quail]

[leaden lark]

I’m just lurking here

[fluid vault]

It was an accident!

I musta tripped!

[naive quail]

Just trying to lighten the atmosphere

[unique stone]

As long as you're technically lurking, all's good.

[leaden lark]

Well I am, on break at work so it kinda works

[odd ledge]

Ok it just started raining. Please don’t cancel my flight …

[charred merlin]

I might have missed what happened -- I checked out the video for the song and while I didn't catch any nudity, and everything seems very tastefully handled, I'm not a moderator or a guide 😅

Usually if there's any misunderstandings they're really friendly and welcoming to address them, but since there's SO much going on (400k users on the server 👀) sometimes things can get "false-positived" or a well-intentioned kneejerk might seem like a spiteful overreach, but they're always genuinely well intentioned -- especially Paimon ❤️

[fluid vault]

Think I hear something about @naive quail canceling it

[safe hazel]

wait i thought you did have the guide role

[odd ledge]

Fair enough. Again, very grumpy.

[charred merlin]

The human mind is also a very complicated technical system -- you should be kind to yours ❤️ I hope you're having a good time of day, wherever you are, my friend 💪

[charred merlin]

I need to step away for a couple minutes before I catch up on the rest of the posts, but with 100% honesty, I want you to think about who would win in a fight between 40 lions and a t-rex. I'll be back, and I'll be curious.

[fluid vault]

@charred merlin Can we get a pole?
I'll go for the rex for data

[viral moss]

T-Rex, skin would be too thick to bite through

[charred merlin]

Just seeing this reply now, I should have tagged my friend @fluid vault as I was replying to him, but when I'm scrolling through previous comments and replying to multiple people one after another, it leads to a lot of confusion 😅

I apologize if you think the "impostor syndrome" thing was directed at you -- Dark was being INCREDIBLY kind to me, and I'm usually not good at processing direct and humbled kindness, so I made an effort to acknowledge it.

I think tech-chat is chill still?

[hollow hare]

I would like to apologize. Upon investigating further in, the scene appears it would be permissible at PG-13, just likely not at PG which was what I was thinking of 🙇‍♀️

[fluid vault]

Lol I just love you brother.
I can be yelled at and still love that person

I love all though!

Even if I was an imposter! >.>
<.<

[charred merlin]

I don't speak for the moderation team, the channel, the community, or the server, but I'm behind you 100% -- I don't think you were pushy or evangelical in your support, I think you offered your honest feedback as a caring unbiased mediator who was able to see things from outside of the (then) minorly-heated discussion.

While I agree with Radek that there's a place and time for therapy, as well as the participants needing to be willing, I don't think that speaking openly or freely about your feelings is the same thing, and your contributions genuinely helped ease an otherwise tense situation.

You rock, dude 🙂

[fluid vault]

I'll keep the feelings more quiet

[unique stone]

In the context, it was appropriate

It was a brief comment

[charred merlin]

Oh my dear lord -- you're like Tom Hanks in that movie -- you probably don't remember what life was like on the outside. 👀

[fluid vault]

True, but as Radek said this is a tech channel.

[charred merlin]

I mean to say that you are welcome to speak feelings anywhere 🫂

Your comments to the other user did not give TOO much emotional-support, especially as it might have been seen as "unwelcome" -- it seemed very professionally appropriate.

And your comments to me were genuinely appreciated, and went a long way 💪

[fluid vault]

I understand that. And thank you, but I will sow what I preach.

For even a simple comment could still impact others.

[charred merlin]

Us nerds and weirdos have feelings too 😉

[fluid vault]

100% Nerd here!

Although I don't recall the last time I even played a video game...

Maybe I'm not a nerd!?

[charred merlin]

Exactly! If people want in-depth support, they should be encouraged to find support in their life and community -- but that shouldn't mean that there is no room for consideration of other's feelings in professional or social situations.

Offering a kind comment like you did can sometimes go a long way, and if they aren't receptive to it, it doesn't mean that "you were polite in the wrong way", but simply that you can continue to be kind by not interacting with them anymore at that time.

I'm rambling, and don't want to ACTUALLY turn this into an armchair-therapy channel, so let's talk about making MUSIC ❤️

[odd ledge]

After the Mr Beast drama. I can understand. And you apologized for not introducing yourself so, I’m over it. Thanks for letting me know. Seriously. It’s ok.

[fluid vault]

@odd ledge and I'm sorry for ur knee

[unique stone]

Song style: [therapy, human, soothing, 60bpm]
😄

[fluid vault]

Hahaha

[charred merlin]

I read this comment as "I'm a grumpy-ass chick" and was confused why you spelled "ass" but censored "chick"

[fluid vault]

It's not chick???

I thought that was just a given!

I'ma just go in a corner now

[charred merlin]

omg, we need glasses, DarK.

It says "I'm grumpy as F%$@

[fluid vault]

I'm supposed to be wearing em too

-.-

[charred merlin]

🕵️🔎

[odd ledge]

My knee? Jokes?

[fluid vault]

Ya this 1

Omg I do need glasses

Ignore me today

[charred merlin]

Different user, I believe 😅

[fluid vault]

Definitely staying in my corner now

[odd ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/futurenostlgia-laughing-gif-7903446801176097213

[fluid vault]

I won't say nothin. I deserve this