📚┃suno-school

[charred merlin]

I swear I've listened to this west coast rap before. (I mean that in the best way possible 💪)

[urban wing]

no link to cancel its a good thing i mailed billing since its a second free account that was created by accident

[charred merlin]

Ahhhh, deleting an account, not cancelling a subscription.

I remember someone was asking about that a while ago because of the GDPR's right to be forgotten, and as far as I know the only way to go about it was to specifically request the account being deleted -- but I'm going to sprinkle a heck of a lot of salt on that, because it's been a bit since I've looked into the matter ❤️

[urban wing]

yes thats what i meant sorry for the confusion

[stiff sable]

if you want to quickly use your phone number on your other account in the meantime, you can go to your Manage Account settings and connect the account to a different provider instead which should then allow you to remove your phone number as the primary login method to use it on your other account instead (but still email to get them to delete the accidental one once they get round to it)

[urban wing]

my original request to suno was to merge accounts since they are both free and linked to my persona but that request is a lill too tricky for suno to handle since it could be a malliciouse attempt to take over anothers account

[urban wing]

i doubt that works like that

[stiff sable]

i have just tested it and it does

[urban wing]

since the new account is already linked to my phone number i cannot use my phone number on any other suno account

[vestal rapids]

What do people think of the new Ideas section on the Create page? It's stopped me from being able to use Suno

[urban wing]

the new suno account was an accident so i need it deleted

[stiff sable]

thats why you need to remove the phone number from the new account so you can then use it on your other account like i just said

[urban wing]

like i said there is no way to remove the phone number since its the only sign in method for the new account

that i need removed

[stiff sable]

^ add another provider in the meantime

[urban wing]

i'd rather not that would look like im using two free accounts harri

[stiff sable]

thats fine, just trying to think outside the box

[urban wing]

no thanks i like my box

[charred merlin]

#🚧┃suggestions-layout if you want to talk about why you don't like it, or #🪲┃bugs-web if it's actually preventing you from using the site.

[jagged narwhal]

I wanna get male voice I wrote many thnigs but still I get girl voice what should I write?

[vestal rapids]

I have posted in both and sent support@ an email

[charred merlin]

@jagged narwhal what types of things have you tried, so we don't suggest the same things to try 🙏 -- there's no 100% guaranteed method, but you can try to figure out what prompts could be helpful based on what you're looking forward and what hasn't worked so far ❤️

[naive quail]

Can you backdoor your way to the custom editor by selecting Extend on a track in your library and then spamming tab 21(ish) times to get to the "Clear" button to reset it from Extend mode back to Create mode?

[vestal rapids]

I can't get Voiceover to recognise elements on the page since they added these Idea thingies, which makes it impossible to do anything useful on the create page, it was working fine before they added this extra unnecessary feature

[charred merlin]

I looked at the suggestion-layout, is it an accessibility / ease of access matter, or are you unable to open the "custom mode" section?

[vestal rapids]

Suno seems not to care about people who are disabled

[vestal rapids]

I can't do anything on the page without getting stuck in some form that Voiceover can't read to me because the fields aren't labelled

I actually upgraded from Monthly Premier to Annual Premier last night and now I just can't use it

[naive quail]

if you're able to get to any extend button in the library, that will shoot you right over to the custom editor, but you'd still have to Clear the extension to reset it back to the normal Create mode. Looks like it's about 21 tab presses to get to the clear button once on the page.

[vestal rapids]

that sounds really impractical, how am I supposed to count 20+ tab presses on a page which gives me no feedback about where I am?

[naive quail]

It was more of a hack to get around the current issues while they take another two steps backwards. I wasn't sure if it was just the simple mode page that was the issue or if the custom create page has the same issue. Visually, custom mode doesn't have those ideas sections... but if it still has no labels, that's obviously a no go.

[vestal rapids]

I should have twigged how careless Suno is when they did the UI change which put me out of action for 2 weeks while I sorted through issues. Stupid me subscribed to Annual Premier a day before Suno goes and wrecks the whole user experience

I have 8060 credits that expire in 5 days because I haven't been able to use the platform properly

[charred merlin]

@vestal rapids I completely understand how frustrating that must be -- I know that it must be particularly frustrating if the UI changes are actively making the site harder to use for visually-impaired users.

Reading your post in the suggestions-layout page helped shine light on the issue -- I apologize if the initial response seemed dismissive, it was a knee-jerk reaction from the previous UI change when people threatened to stop using the website because the image ratio had changed. 😅

#🚧┃suggestions-layout message I came across this comment from a couple weeks back where @prime gale had acknowledged that the team needed to make improvements regarding accessibility. I know they're working to get things right, but I'm sorry that you feel like things are taking steps backward before they move forward. ❤️

(apologies for the ping Franklin, I just wanted to help amplify @vestal rapids's pleas 🙏)

[untold briar]

Suno can be slow to respond, but from I hear from other users they do make things right in the end. Obviously it's not just about the credits, you want to make Suno songs now and you can't. And you want Suno to avoid doing it again in the future. I can tell you multiple mods/guides have highlighted your specific problem to Suno folks, it's on the radar for sure.

[vestal rapids]

I love Suno, I desperately want to use it, it was working for me yesterday (UI issues aside) but this most recent thing has been a breaking change, it's just not working

they should roll back the Ideas section until they can come up with a solution

Unfortunately I think many visually impaired people will just give up without making noise, but I am the kind of person who makes noise because having disabilities shouldn't limit my access to the world

[charred merlin]

I don't want to speak out of turn, as the support team will surely have a better response, but if you're not satisfied with the service, and especially if you're unable to use the service, I'd look into adjusting the subscription plan until things are resolved -- that way you're being proactive, and can try to avoid any complications later if you feel like the credits should have been compensated after the fact. 🔬

[vestal rapids]

I am not worried about the money or the credits

I just brought up the issue of my 8000 credits to highlight how little access I have had

the month before I burned through 10000 credits and bought extras 😂

honestly I don't know how to do that, it's something I never have to do on any other sites

let me try

No I got stuck at "Let's make a song to cheer your country on at the 2024 Olympics"

and some form I can't read

I can't even escape out of it

previously I had a text box for the Suno prompt

now it's just broken

the frustrating thing is that I use complex apps like Logic Pro without issues, here I can't even use a website

[charred merlin]

From the homepage, press tab 3 times to get to create, press enter
press tab 10 times to get to the custom tab, press enter (7 times if you're already on suno.com and click the nav bar on the left side for context)
press tab 5 times to get to the lyrics box
press tab 3 times to get to the style box
press tab 10 times to get to the title
press tab once to get to the create button, press enter

By NO means a preferred solution, but hopefully it can help you get back to creating songs in the meantime 😦 ❤️

[steel crescent]

It's annoying to me

[vestal rapids]

want to see annoying?

[charred merlin]

It'll refresh back to 50 in 11h30m

[steel crescent]

Oof, you got that little 5 too 🤓

[steel crescent]

It's 02/08 for me

[charred merlin]

I gotcha -- feels useless since it costs 10 credits to "Create", but it's like how a $1 bill isn't useless if you want to buy something that costs $2 -- you're half the way there if you get your hands on more currency in the meantime ❤️

[vestal rapids]

ok I tried to follow this but I can't help being dumped into an Ideas suggestion form

[charred merlin]

You did this from the Suno website, right?

[vestal rapids]

yes

[untold briar]

How do typically navigate with Apple Voiceover? I'll be back home in an about an hour and will be able to check myself on a mac laptop. I might be able to find a tiny tweak you can use in Safari as a temporarily workaround for you and any other users. Either a Safari extension that allows custom website styles, or a bookmarklet.

[vestal rapids]

Voiceover tells me where I am, I can see some large UI items as I am vision impared not blind, the problem is the tabs keeping track of them to avoid being dumped into one of the numerous suggestions

If they had a toggle to disable Ideas on that page the problem would be solved

but at the moment they dominate the UI

[charred merlin]

I know there's numerous ideas forums on the discord, but I'm not sure how that would be accessible from the website off the top of my head. This might be something for Suno Support to properly advise on 🙏 I hope you hear back from them soon ❤️

[vestal rapids]

once in the form you can't escape out, the esc key does nothing once you hit it

[shut moat]

so you can? write instrumentals by just describing the parts of the songs in the lyric section right?*

im still new at this, and haven't figured out how to write beats yet.

it still doesn't know weird / archaic instruments yet. I can't wait to make some hurdy gurdy shit.

[charred merlin]

Yup! My "serious" songs are all instrumentals, and only use the style prompts and [metatags] -- they work like localized style prompts

Sometimes it can add an overall feel, sometimes it effects just the upcoming section -- Suno kinda does what it wants 😅 ❤️

[shut moat]

https://suno.com/song/1e7ca6f6-50ae-43e9-b888-d994c1ce0d6f

It doesn't yet fully listen to me, or im yet not smart enough to make this stuff accurately.

[vestal rapids]

Support replied, they acknowledged the problem, and have addressed this to my satisfaction, I won't paste the response but they know there is an issue and want to work to address these issues, they just don't know when.

[shut moat]

does anyone know if they will have weighted terms?

[vestal rapids]

to at least get acknowledgement is a huge deal for me, I feel seen which I didn't before the reply

[shut moat]

tokens, like the I can weight my styles so I can give importance no matter where it is in the prompt.

[vestal rapids]

I do need help, any advice is appreciated greatly

[charred merlin]

I know it's something they take seriously, as they're all people too -- the only reason they're doing this is because they all love music as well, so it's likely not a matter that they don't care, but rather there's a lot of gears turning at a lot of different rates, so I'm sure that it's just a matter of trying to handle things as best as they can.

Not to discount how frrustrating it must be for you -- but seriously, you're 100% right on the nose that 9/10 people will just take the hit and be upset about it, without taking a collaborative approach in trying to solve the issue.

You rock for your continued efforts, not just for yourself, but for others who might have similar issues accessing the site. 🙏 Thanks for trying out some of the solutions that we threw against the wall in the meantime ❤️

[untold briar]

The closest thing to weight for now is simply repeating tags more times to make them stronger. To make something weaker is tricker. You can either repeat the other tags to make them stronger. Or (less reliably) you can try removing the too strong style tag from the style prompt and only using it in [brackets] in the lyrics, typically on top.

Actually there is an edge case. For styles that are compound words like "Acid House" then "Acid-House" often works better. Maybe under the hood it's not actually stronger and it works for some other reason, but practically speaking: if your style doesn't seem to work and uses compound words, try adding dashes.

[charred merlin]

I don't know if there's a way to directly tell the weight of the tokens, but there's some terms that are DEFINITELY more heavily weighter than others.

[shut moat]

no suno, but midjourney messed up my subscription where I wasn't being charged but I also wasn't getting my credits for GPU time renewed for 3 months. And that was when they had only 1 guy hired for managing everyone's subscriptions.

[shut moat]

I surmised as much, Midjourney behaves similarly, reinforcing your ideas with repetitiveness. They do have weights so you can control so much more, but that's an image gen, way different I think from here.

[vestal rapids]

yes I have done that and can get into the prompt box but when I type it triggers one of the ideas suggestions and I can't escape out of it

it's a bug on the page

[shut moat]

I hope they make some kind of weight system.

I feel like finding the balance between styles is a credit sink.

[vestal rapids]

before today I used it in both simple and custom mode

[shut moat]

especially when you are trying to combine two or 3 radically different musical styles together,

I'm not yet sure how to implement timing changes, nor do I even understand timing?

I'm a visual artist, I only dabbled in guitar and the piano lessons I did take were 32 years ago, so that info is essentially gone from my mind.

[vestal rapids]

are you using Sonoma?

[charred merlin]

When I was personally getting familiar with Suno, I stuck to one style (indie math rock) and played around with a lot of different variations by adding a single extra prompt or metatag, and comparing the differences.

It takes a while, but after a bit you start to get a feel for what will overpower what, and while Suno still does whatever it wants, you have a bit more feel for how to guide it.

Near the end of your credit cycle, go wild with experiments to use the remaining balance before it refreshes -- or request different Prompt Experiment Playlists for me to blow my credits on over at the pool party > #1256301881966198805 -- dear lord, I don't know what to do with these credits, give me ideas to science them with

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-harrison-ford-sand-crap-gif-3294427

[shut moat]

that's what im doing right now since it renews tomorrow.

burlesque math metal is pretty interesting.

[hot palm]

I wouldn't mind using some of your credits. Hahahaha.xD

[shut moat]

also

burlesque french math folk, orchestral classical metal, slam polka

wild weird stuff.

[charred merlin]

lmao I love it, guaranteed to give you a wild song, but I wonder how many of those are being "respected" given how strongly some of them are weighted -- unless there's one of those that you're more familiar with then the others, it could be hard to know exactly what you did.

[shut moat]

black cabaret metal

holy shit man.

[vestal rapids]

yes, you are right, it's not selectable, let me try the upload audio button trick

[rigid mortar]

Is there a guide maybe more of an unofficial one of brackets that actually work? I've already read what was on the official website and while that's decent I'm sure there are more.

[viral moss]

Has anyone tried and succeeded with time signature prompts? Like 3:3, 3:4 or 6:8?

[charred merlin]

#1252267444773326848 or https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/

[shut moat]

it won't work if you put it in instrumental.

"lyrics"

[D-Beats drums]
[buildup synthetic pianos]
[metal bass line drop]
[beat drop]
[electric theramin and citar chorus]
[galloping metal bridge]
[chugging guitars]

[epic piano overture]

Style :
cabaret metal, black metal, avante gard country ballad

also, I don't know what I am doing either.

but this makes face melting piano/guitar solos

[charred merlin]

@shut moat
I find it best to imagine anything you say to Suno as a suggestion rather than a command/instruction.

When it reads those words, it will use them as suggestions to give you types of music that include similar aspects, and it's not uncommon for it to "further push" a song into an existing "musical momentum", but personally I see it more as a success when they work, opposed to a failure when they don't.

[shut moat]

true

[errant island]

Hi community, I've been trying out the free version of SUNO for less than a month. However, the latest songs are only generated with a female voice, despite my instructions to generate them with a male voice. Has anyone else experienced this, and do you know if it's resolved with the paid version? Thanks!

[charred merlin]

Absolutely zero difference between the models themselves between paid and free versions, only the amount of credits / concurrent songs / early-access to some features.

What different metatags or styles have you used to try to get male vocals?

[vestal rapids]

ok I got that working, and I created a song successfully, thank you so much for working that out

how did you work it out, you must be a genius if you have no experience with Voiceover

I would never have gotten there without your help

nice, well done, I owe you big time

[soft gyro]

for the first time after thousand of songs, Suno is not capable of using the same voice when extending. Did it happen to you too or somebody just changed something at the model?

[vestal rapids]

thank you, so much

[errant island]

Okay, thanks. I've tried using the metatags "male vocal," "male voice," and "male vocals."

[shut moat]

try it in brackets when making the lyrics.

[charred merlin]

It seems like it might be having a hard time directly understanding "male voice", but you can try to describe the same thing in different ways -- "baritone" "growly" "strong" "broadly" "tenor"

[shut moat]

you can alternate between female and male vocals I have found, but I think this might only be in custom mode which is in the paid version.

[charred merlin]

Custom mode is free as well

[shut moat]

oh reeeeeleeee?? will I burnt all me credits in about 5 minutes.

then bought yearly immediately after

[charred merlin]

Just took this picture from a free account.

[errant island]

Okay, thank you very much. I'll try using those metatags.

[untold briar]

I see a lot "clear vocals" from very experiment suno users. I've never felt "clear" was actually helping with voices. Should I rethink this? Probably haven't even tried in in V3.5, so maybe it could be different i suppose.

[charred merlin]

I think it’s the same mentality as using “best quality, 4K UHD” in SD prompts, imo.

I haven’t looked into it extensively, but I’ve yet to see something that could be used reliably

[untold briar]

Worth trying anything. "Myspace" is all the rage today, and it is pretty distinct style. I actually just tested GeoCities, Facebook, Tumblr, and a few others and some of them did more nothing, but MySpace remains king, easily the strongest style among social network names 😂

[neat nexus]

I'd love to know how much of what we see in these types of prompts are influenced by people doing image or video prompting and trying to transfer those skills to Suno?

[tight spade]

well, im back. i crashed. [METRONOME: 1 - 240bpm] works in conjunction with the genera i was not able to adjust the tempo manually the first couple were glitches.

but the prompt can aid in some cases

[untold briar]

In Meta's Audiocraft/MusicGen, they trained on stock music sites, using the tags also. Some users tags songs with 320Kbps and so prompting stuff like that did increase quality. Of course MusicGen can't output any 320kbps, but that tag was not in all the songs, only a slice of them. and for whatever reason it ended up being associated with better music generally. i guess the laziest users didn't bother uploading in higher quality formats.

[unique stone]

I haven't noticed it having any actual effect, same with "dolby atmos" and stuff like that. By far the best way I've found to improve vocal quality is to download a clip of the vocal, layer it with some bright synth sound in a DAW (playing the same melody), reimport it and input the lyrics again and extend. Obviously not completely reliable and means you have to start with that sample, but I had one of the most obnoxiously noisy vocals from v3.5 early access that I cleaned up by doing this.

It'll never be 100% perfectly clear though. It'll only be as good as Suno can get it.

[stiff sable]

i saw this floating around earlier, im not at a place where i can currently mess around with suno but im rlly intrigued - what does this style actually ... do?

[charred merlin]

#1256301881966198805 message Do you have any suggestions for metatags/styles for me to try? I wasn't able to get 200bpm in any of my attempts.

[tight spade]

well, im back. i crashed. [METRONOME: 1 - 240bpm] works in conjunction with the genera i was not able to adjust the tempo manually the first couple were glitches.
[11:52 AM]@stratuss: but the prompt can aid in some cases

[unique stone]

It feels like it draws out some more "amateur" content. Like, the kind of stuff people might record and upload to a social media site before it became all infested with viral videos etc. One person got some really bad singing, I managed to make something that sounded like a teenager talking... but it gives weird stuff sometimes as well like I got a loud scream

[charred merlin]

Yeah, I tried [metronome: 190] in that playlist I showed and it didn't work. I tried it a lot. Can you look at the playlist and let me know what I should have typed instead?

https://suno.com/playlist/01fbf056-ba18-4d21-ac34-b69cc913eae2

[tight spade]

i tried math too to see it would work. 12 bars & 240 bpms

[charred merlin]

I named the songs what the resulting bpm was -- there was a 180 and a 175, which I suppose is a neat coincidence?

[neat nexus]

Does Metronome 4/4 do anything in the style prompt?

[tight spade]

I researched metronome heavily

dont know i didnt try

[untold briar]

It's kind of a raw sound, or punk, more like an indie band without a studio. I didn't find it to be a unique style, actually, you can get that vibe with other prompts. (I basically specialize in prompting bad singers in Suno)

But it was unusually strong as a style tag compared to most "random" words when used as a style of music.

[stiff sable]

ohhh thats quite cool actually, i might try mixing that with some indie pop / bedroom type styles then! ty @unique stone + @untold briar , fingers crossed i get some cool results later 🫡

[tight spade]

here yuh guys go <<<< try these [TEMPO: Fast, upbeat]
[METRONOME: 80-158bpm]
[TONIC: C] <<<< very important look it up if you dont know what a tonic is
[TUNE: EADGBE] <<<< tunes guitar
[TUNING: A440] <<<<< 440hz but this format seems to work too

[charred merlin]

Okay, I'm going to add these to the lyrics section, yes?

[tight spade]

yes

watch the spaces

it will glitch more so then not

[charred merlin]

is this okay?

There's no spaces after any of the lines

[tight spade]

you need < [TEMPO: Fast, upbeat]
[METRONOME: 80-158bpm]
[TONIC: C]
[TUNE: EADGBE]
[TUNING: A440] >

the little arrows

no and one space between coomas and next line

[charred merlin]

looks like it only added 4 characters, the angled brackets and the single-spaced padding

That's what we need?

[tight spade]

and one space between [ ] []

[charred merlin]

That's a pretty wild gap in bpm -- are we able to be any more specific?

[stiff sable]

the metronome bit seems completely pointless with that wide of a range, like its probably gonna do smthn in that range anyway

[tight spade]

yuh go nut play around

non spacific

i was play around

[stiff sable]

i also dont understand necessarily why you'd need to specify the tuning of the guitar (if youre making a song with guitar in) considering its going to pick the right notes that fit your key anyway

[untold briar]

BTW, while MySpace meaning "amateur music" fits so perfectly it feels like it can't possible just be a coincidence, I'd guess it is a coincidence. I prompt a lot of random words, and many things do something as a style.

I just tried Tumblr right now, and it's a weaker tag than MySpace. Kind of a vague easy listening or background music? https://suno.com/song/6cb2b96f-cc80-4661-be65-dfbda8744a51 I don't associate that style with "Tumblr" so it just feels random in this case, but if it had some music more tumblr-like (what would that be...), it would be easy to think "Of course it sounds like that"

Actually I changed my mind on MySpace being just a coincidence. Nothing about licensing data. Simple and obvious, I must be short on coffee today.

[plush field]

I have one stupid question. is there a difference in vocal quality between the paid and free version?

[charred merlin]

Nope 🙂

[stiff sable]

oh yeah the other day i was just doing keyboard spam as the style, about three tags per generation, and i got some pretty incredible results and reusing the same styles of ... wordvomit was pretty cohesive which was rlly interesting!

[plush field]

i was afraid that would be the answer 😞
some songs i created with a free account are great, but vocals sound like 96Kbps mp3 😦

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/playlist/01fbf056-ba18-4d21-ac34-b69cc913eae2 I just added 8 more songs, targetting 20-40 bpm and got an average of 153 across 8 songs.

[tight spade]

try elevis

[charred merlin]

Care to look at the most recent entries to let me know what I could have done differently?

This issue is that I didn't have "elevis" in the style section?

[tight spade]

that genera

and*

Drum&Bass

[charred merlin]

Okay, I want to make sure that I follow your instructions perfectly so I can help others learn how to do this.

[tight spade]

The genre with the highest Beats Per Minute (BPM) is typically Speedcore, which is a form of electronic music characterized by a high tempo and aggressive themes1. Songs in this genre are usually classified as Speedcore at around 300+ BPM1. However, there’s a sub-genre of Speedcore known as Extratone which has songs with a BPM of 1000 or higher1. At this tempo, the beats happen so fast that they sound like one constant note with a shifting pitch1.

Please note that these are extreme examples and most music genres have much lower BPMs. For instance, genres like Dubstep typically have BPMs around 135-145, while Drum and Bass averages a BPM of 160-1802. I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions. 😊

[charred merlin]

Please let me know if I'm missing anything or need to retype anything

[charred merlin]

I have many questions, but let's start with the ones I asked first, and then we can move on once we figure that out ❤️

[tight spade]

np

[charred merlin]

I would be really excited to know how to prompt a specific BPM reliably -- other companies are specifically developing technologies to solve this, so it would be VERY exciting if we've figured out a way to solve the issue with our words alone!

[tight spade]

sunos bpm is tied to generas and style

lol i cant spell lol

[stiff sable]

i still dont understand why you'd prompt for a 'rough' tempo tho if the styles already are going to influence the suitable tempo that youre otherwise prompting for (and are aware of) ... unless you could be like 'Jungle but its at 120bpm' it feels like you can only already choose a suitable tempo the AI would pick anyway? like i wouldnt need to type a tempo range at all therefore

[charred merlin]

genres, I understand -- so we aren't able to specifically ask for a bpm or the tuning?

[plush field]

@charred merlin have you tried tempo tags?

[tight spade]

tuning yes

[charred merlin]

So we are able to choose the tuning, but we aren't able to choose a specific BPM, correct?

[tight spade]

im 85% yes on that

[charred merlin]

Okay, sorry, I must have misunderstood - earlier it seemed as if you were claiming it was possible to specifically choose the BPM by using [metronome: XX]

I haven't seen any examples that prove that you're able to do so reliably, maybe we'll have to make a #💡┃suggestions-web to let them know we'd like that ability, since it doesn't seem to be promptable.

[charred merlin]

:\ Yeah -- I'm still experimenting with italian music terminology because I figured it would be strongly weighted, but there's inconsistent results.

But seriously, I need to get "Sunovator"pins made up to mail to people when they share ideas so good that I want to kiss them on the forehead.

I was waiting until I found some that felt like "superpowers" to share, but before I've reached that I've found that some work better in some instances than other -- age old rule of just reapproaching the issue and trying to find different ways to explain the same thing

[plush field]

combining genres can help to achieve the desired bpm, but not always 😦

[charred merlin]

I saw Yolkhead sharing some ideas about prompting in different languages, which really helps

[charred merlin]

Oh, there's ways to "nudge" a song toward specific tempos, but granular control over beats per minute just simply isn't there, from what I've seen.

I used largo to try to "calm down" my indie math-rock, but I didn't find any major differences from thematic prompt decorations like "sleepy" or "dreaming"

[tight spade]

[entergetic] <<<<< helps

[plush field]

i got decent results with "High BPM" and it works in most cases, but there is no real control

i put it just after main genere(s)

it would be best if we had a separate "desired bpm" box 🙂

like when you open fl and set bpm 🙂

[charred merlin]

Lots of thematic prompts or "pseudocode" can nudge it in the right direction, but in my opinion the damage comes from people throwing whatever into the metatags/styles, being satisfied with the results, and believing that their input gave them 100% control over the output --it's fine if they enjoy the way it sounds, I'm just more worried about people who learn solely by copying and then wonder why it doesn't work for them.

[stiff sable]

definitely one of the top requests, esp for ppl taking their music making a bit more seriously. i always like what harber says about prompts and style tags being more of a suggestion than a hard rule so having more control over certain things that would be trainable would be great

[charred merlin]

And when the original artists are asked, the only explanation they give is "I dunno man, worked for me. Look at my prompts" -- just disregard all of these unsuccessful gens that I've swept under the rug

https://tenor.com/view/i-dunno-i-dunno-man-i-dont-know-i-dont-know-man-gif-24406025

[stiff sable]

this is my little mockup idea of a future gen screen. if it was trained right something as simple as this would be handy! ;)

[charred merlin]

Love it! Have you posted that in #🚧┃suggestions-layout? I'm still talking about it here because it ties into the conversation, I just want to make sure you get as many discerning eyes on it as you can

[stiff sable]

🧠 oo good idea will do that in a min :)

[charred merlin]

Whether or not it's used in that fashion, stuff like this lets the devs know how passionately people feel about specific use cases -- it's amazing enough that people who are just breaking into the music scene are able to create this kind of music, but it's clear that there's a whole separate layer of musicians who want to find a way to squeeze more specific sounds out of this wild new instrument.

[plush field]

hmm...
i just opened this one in virtual dj, and it is 170bpm
I had 160 in prompt

https://suno.com/song/5d240565-1e82-4d1c-bdf4-93010d95cb19

[charred merlin]

The testing part comes in how reproducible the result is -- are you able to use the same prompt to reliably and consistently get the desired BPM? Or are you perhaps falling victim to the Barnum Effect? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect Not trying to be dismissive, it's a genuine question that I regularly ask myself when testing anything.

"Am I giving equal attention to the failed experiments as I do to the results that agree with my original theory?"
"Am I attributing personal meaning or relevance to vague or general results that could apply to many situations?"

[untold briar]

The word "bpm" and even a 3 digit number probably do influence the style. Probably higher energy electronic music is more likely to be described in such terms. So using them may help you get he music you want. But I bet you try "80 bpm", "90 bpm", "100 bpm", up to 200, most of the songs will be in the same range of BPM no matter the number.

Well, maybe some effect, but rather than specific it might be "XX bpm" is slower than "XXX bpm". two digits instead of three. that kind of thing

[plush field]

it can be a coincidence, and you are probably right
i wish there is a way, but i haven't find it yet

[charred merlin]

Agreed, it certainly has SOME influence, as when people use "bpm" a lot, I've seen it cause weird results where the song increasingly speeds up, which would make sense if it's just associating it was "bpm == fast song, yeah?"

[stiff sable]

i have definitely got fairly reliable results before from prompting 120bpm with club music and house music, purely bcos i was using other descriptors and moods alongside the genres and was trying to get it to stay on track, but yeah if i try to ask for 90 bpm pop, i might end up with something at 145, likely just bcos of association and data knowledge

the rest of the prompt is definitely going to have influence on it too which is why it seems really unlikely that a metatag for a specific tempo will 100% hit it even if it does somewhat steer it in the right direction

[charred merlin]

There's something tangible there, so it's not like it's a useless prompt, it's just knowing how to use "the spell" as it ACTUALLY works, instead of what we imagine it to work as.

[stiff sable]

it reminds me a bit like teaching a baby how to walk and talk except im teaching... myself how to walk and talk so i can be understood by it 😅

[charred merlin]

It's definitely a humbling experience to realize that even the people making the product are learning as they go 😅

[tight spade]

i making a stupi play list of the same settings same song same prompts 12.

[untold briar]

I almost added a line "I wonder if the most common bpm numbers might work better... " Is 120 very common, like a standard-ish number?

[stiff sable]

for the club / house kind of styles, thats pretty much your bread and butter so it would defo be a big influence for those sorts of styles especially

i think most DAWs use 120 as a default starting point before you change it as well?

and it definitely understands tempo inference; i asked once for specifically edm progressive house which is 128bpm 99% of the time and about 16 straight generations i did all ended up at 128 (without me trying to specify a tempo at all)

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/playlist/1698faf2-d94d-462b-8e12-27d37a265e8a

[prime gazelle]

How can I create 2 minute rock song with an insane number of chord changes? I tried this: "Create an intense hard rock song with 35 or more chords. Go for it!" but it just created a regular rock song.

Thanks for your advice. 🙂

[tight spade]

lol

https://suno.com/song/daae5605-2bb0-457b-a7a7-dd369da55b74

sry its under 2 mins

lol

3 extends 12 hrs of learning about music and software prompts research 90$ worth of credits las 4 days. (not bragging serious)

[slim ether]

hello, can we make multiple selections when clearing the trash

[charred merlin]

Yes! Click a song and ctrl + a to select all (move to trash or playlist)

[tight spade]

lol

[charred merlin]

Click a song, and shift + click to select everything in between, or hold control and click to add or remove songs from selection

[charred merlin]

Can I ask what you're attempting to demonstrate with this, or were you just excited to share your song?

[tight spade]

no just look at the prompts

i dont care about this song

[charred merlin]

I feel the same way, so I'm wanting to know why I should listen to it, or how it's relevant?

Otherwise #🐣┃suno-showcase is a great place to share your songs

[tight spade]

good point

night im tired

[slim ether]

does metatag part in the beginning work for you, i mean normally it gives permsiison to only 120 character to describe the features of the song

i mean it is very long and specific

[tight spade]

most times yes, i d share another total diffrent song to show you the contast

mind if dm you i dont want to annoyy any one

[slim ether]

its ok

[charred merlin]

#📢┃announcements message

got you bro

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-bro-cheers-you-got-it-gif-13830440

"struggles to follow key signatures and BPM, and the songs don't always sound perfectly mixed and mastered" "prone to hallucination"

I'd say they're pretty straightforward, even addressed the creative liberties in song structure, like when Suno decides to try to fit 2 extra lines into a verse and messes up the entire rhyming scheme.

Then v3.5 came out, shoved that problem into a locker and took its lunch money. Which is a sign that v3.5 is still a work in progress, but therapy is doing wonders.

I'm not sure specifically how they refined v3.5, but it's so adamant on finding resolution or musical cohesion that I feel some people misunderstand what it's attempting to do -- given the context that it's extending from it can easily "fall into the groove" and exhibit the same problems that any Dad-Band rocking out in a garage encounters, they just have no friggen idea where to take the song, so they just keep riffing on "what would sound cool next". It's usually right, but frustrating when we want a nice clean end to the song that sounds musically complete.

The opposite issue is when you're extending from something, and to Suno's "ears", it feels like the perfect place to end a song -- regardless of how you want the song to go, it's completely convinced THAT'S the perfect place to wrap the song up, because it's musically satisfying based on all of the strict rules it's been given.

Without strong use of prompting (which can be either pure luck, or an intuitive feel for which prompts are more weighted than others), or a strong musical context for it to "hook onto" as an extension, v3.5 really leans into "generic" rock/rap/metal/etc

[violet mesa]

was there today some algorithm update? cause every extended uploaded audio comes out with sooooo much bleeding , after at least 20 tries i gave up . acoustic only .

[charred merlin]

As far as I know, the model only really changes if they say something about it in #🚀┃updates or #📢┃announcements.

[violet mesa]

well , the outcome today was totally unusable ..

[charred merlin]

I've been getting a lot of really good results today, not to be dismissive of the results that you were getting. Can you share an example of a particularly bad generation so we could look at it?

When you write your own lyrics, it's remarkable how v3.5 is able to get them exactly like you pictured in your head. That's at least been the case for me, and it still blows me away. When it first came out, I extended all of my favourite v3 songs with "quirky flows" and it was just a night and day change. (except I'd sort of grown fond on the quirks 👉 👈 )

[violet mesa]

https://suno.com/song/fb275612-4490-4b35-b1f6-239a82e44255 after 0.33 its really messed up

[violet mesa]

https://suno.com/song/f34b0bad-100a-4339-ba6f-ee8e190e5115 based on this clip from my daw

[charred merlin]

No, I just meant how I would write a regular stanza of lyrics and it would interpret line breaks awkwardly and try to fit 2 lines of lyrics into a spot where there should have only been 1. They didn't sound objectively horrible, but the timings were always ...off.

[charred merlin]

I know my opinion is subjective, but I don't think it sounds bad? Can you explain what you were hoping for vs what you're noticing?

[violet mesa]

yep

[charred merlin]

tbf, if I was at a club for some reason and this song came on, I wouldn't be complaining to the people who dragged me there about the music.

[violet mesa]

its a test anyway

[violet mesa]

too much bleeding .. its too much mixed up . i know its IA and no wonder machine .. but sometimes frustrating lol

[violet mesa]

my ears are complaining lol

[soft thistle]

#💬┃general-chat message
This issue with DistroLock rejection is also happening with me. Does Suno fingerprint it's own creations using AcoustID or similar services in order to enforce copyright protections? Not really sure who to address about this. I'm experiencing this problem with DistroLock and new Suno songs that haven't been made public or distributed.

[thorn hinge]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[thorn hinge]

情感治愈音乐/chirp

[violet mesa]

i took out hall and delay .. results are a bit better .. tx

[charred merlin]

🤖🔇

https://www.suno.com to make music ❤️

[charred merlin]

Are you uploading songs made on a free account?

I’ve had no issues with DistroKid or the DistroLock service, but all of my songs were original generations and extensions

That being said, DistroKid support themselves is probably the most direct route for answers regarding them rejecting songs.

[minor brook]

Hi! Can you generate Suno songs in Discord?

[soft thistle]

Both Suno and DistroKid accounts I subscribe to are paid (DistroKid through FL Cloud). I've tried to get in touch with DistroKid and I swear they must be using chat bots. They simply reiterate what you say and send you on your way. It's been a bit frustrating customer service wise.

Besides this, I'm really just wondering if Suno uses fingerprinting services for audio created on their platform. Not only do I get DistroLock rejections, I also can't reupload an idea created by Suno after working with it in FL Studio. These reuploads to Suno also get flagged as existing copyrighted work.

[leaden lark]

i've gotten the audio base thing as well after working on it in FL as well

[minor brook]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[soft thistle]

Yeah this copyright stuff is proving to be real tricky.

[violet mesa]

i use flstudio and distrokid , and so far ive no problems . but all song text are mine , album covers too

[charred merlin]

Not any more, I just replied to someone just above trying to use the chirp command

[minor brook]

I see, thanks

[soft thistle]

Edit: no problems with my own work either. Only experience this problem at times with Suno generated audio.

[violet mesa]

i used suno audio but processed via the daw

[soft thistle]

Yeah, its been kinda hit or miss for me

even after processing, or just recreating the melody Suno made, using different instrumentation

[violet mesa]

and rendered wav at 24 bit wav

[hot trout]

Hey, everyone. Another quick series of questions, because I am too bloody-minded to give up on this song. Is there a PERSONAL component to how the AI algorithm works? Like, in addition to the base training data, does it learn from interacting with you specifically (figuring out what you mean by/want from prompts, etc)? And if so, is there a way to purge/reset that data? Some people have been trying to help me with my current project, and for some reason, the past week, Suno has been getting more and more delusional and less and less useable for me, and I'm starting to suspect I may somehow be the problem. 😦

[untold briar]

There is no personal component, nothing to reset. It can feel that way, but probably you have a tricky prompt. I bet if you try a totally new song and style, back to normal.

[hot trout]

Okay, let me give the AI a break from trying to figure this out, then. Thanks... It helps to know that I didn't somehow pollute my own ability to make music here.

[untold briar]

Played a bit more with the 'token' concept in prompts. I don't think tokenization matters.

The obversations are true. Small text tweaks (dash instead of space, capital instead of lowercase) can have very big effects. But how the text is tokenized doesn't seem to matter at all.

Invented compound words in styles might work or not work, but using tokens for the pieces didn't work more often not. Such a fun concept, Suno should make styles-as-lego-bricks into a prompting feature. If anyone has a clear test case of style chunks based on 'tokens' @ me. For now I'm a token skeptic. @alpine venture

[hot trout]

Hey, everyone. Another quick question. If I upgrade my membership prior to the next billing date, does it A ) take effect next cycle, B ) bill me fully for the "new membership" now and give me all the benefits, or C ) bill me the difference for my membership tiers, and give me the difference in tokens? Also, @untold briar Do you mind explaining a bit more about what you mean by tokenization? Kind of curious; I've heard the word bandied about before, but have no idea what it's meant to encapsulate.

[untold briar]

Capitals can matter, so it's not implausible that is good advice. But Thinking about it now, my guess is COUNTRY is not different than country. When capitals do matter, in my experience it's on the more unusual prompts, more edge cases and unpredictable things.

[rigid mortar]

I've looked at that plenty of times. I'm looking for more real world usage where people have tried things and it has worked. Especially the intros but I would like to have something that's a little more concrete.

[untold briar]

Text formatting in general can have big effects. Like you can prompt a duet with text format by itself, at least sometimes, just with:

PERSON: Hello I am person
PERSON: I am also a person

[charred merlin]

#1252267444773326848 is the closest that we have on the Discord, those are user-submitted tips. They might not be outright formatted as lists of metatags, because as I usually say, that's like asking for a list of things you can say to ChatGPT -- people have shared their experiences in the workflow section.

I have some Prompt Experiment Playlists over at #1256301881966198805, and I'm open to taking requests if there's something you'd like me to spend my own credits on to test for you ❤️

[charred merlin]

[e-mail] would be the best place to ask for account & billing related stuff ❤️

[rigid mortar]

Asking for what others are trying is not asking to be sent back to the official website. There has to be other websites around that people have posted about their experiences what has worked what has done different things. That's what I'm asking about. I don't want to go back and look at the same materials I've been looking at for months. That's why I'm here to get better support.

[charred merlin]

The wiki is the community-sourced website -- if there are others, I'd love for you to show them to us.

I'm not sending you to the official website. The official website is https://suno-ai.notion.site/FAQs-b72601b96de44e5cacd2cd6baa985448

#1252267444773326848 isn't the official website, it's the guides & suggestions curated by the active members of the discord community.

[stiff sable]

imo ... the absolute most bestest support for using suno... is just experimenting and seeing what you find works (and what doesnt!), so you can learn and improve on it. there isnt an overall one size fits all really... plus its a lot more fun this way anyway! but the community wiki can defo be helpful. 🙌 just dont believe that adding 60 words in square brackets will instantly solve all of your issues ;)

[charred merlin]

If you have specific questions, let us know how we can help you try to make the music you want to make -- we're here to help collaboratively, but there's no "magic guide" we can point you to.

There's different discord channels that other users have started to discuss tips, maybe you could go into #💬┃general-chat and ask for people who know the answers to DM you. I'm sorry that the community wiki and user-submitted content weren't sufficiently helpful 🙏

I have no idea what you're basing that assertion on -- I'm simply saying I personally don't know of any other website, and I'm sharing the content that I'm aware of.

Has someone told you that you're not allowed to share other websites? That would seem silly.

[astral eagle]

Hi! I haven't done a search yet, but has anyone figured out how to insert sound effects? I am trying to add police sirens to a part, and he literally sings POLICE SIRENS! ahahhaha. Another song said HORN SOLO then the words!

[charred merlin]

I've seen sirens accidentally generated more than I've seen them intentionally prompted 😅

[pliant idol]

Is the suno website down?

[charred merlin]

I'd love to tete-a-tete about this some time 🙂 Now you got me questioning my own confirmation bias and I'm squirming in my seat, damn you!

Jokes aside, this would be a good example for another prompt experiment 🔬 💪

[untold briar]

The only thing I know for sure about capitals is they can change things... sometimes. Most often I think they don't change much. Capitalizing words in the that lyrics that are meant to be sung does work as people probably expect, the singer more likely to emphasize or even yell that word.

[stone spruce]

for like 6 songs in a row, it's inserting the style of music INTO the musical lyrics before the song

anyone else have this happen?

[astral eagle]

for those of you who are using distrokid to upload to spotify, are you doing full albums or just singles? I have 22 songs but I feel that might be too many for one release.

[charred merlin]

You can do up to 30-someodd at once for an album -- the only difference is you'll have more songs to enter the information for at once.

I have a 3-song EP, and a 12-song album.

[untold briar]

What were you seeing when you thought it was working? Sometimes parts of style tags work as tags alone, or combined with other words. But using the exact tokens did not seem to matter. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.

[glacial tinsel]

is v4 coming soon seems likes way overdo or is that lawsuit slowing you guys down? @unique dome @graceful cliff

[charred merlin]

Like I said, you're making my question my own confirmation bias, as I'd always believed there were differences in variations of indie(-)math, and had inferred that dance(-)punk would have similar differences, so I'm making a bigger comparative playlist to see what I can dredge up.

I respect your input on the matter, and if you're willing to throw down bold text about it, I'm paying attention. 👀

My immediate takeaways are that I would classify Danko Jones as dance-punk if Suno knows what it's talking about.

[untold briar]

I didn't mean to suggest that wouldn't work. Just that looking at the tokenizer breakdown of that text doesn't let you predict if it works. Dashes have big effects. Parenthesis have big effects. I'd be a little surprised if a dash in parenthesis changed nothing, suno seems to care a lot about those characters.

[charred merlin]

🙂 I didn't take it as anything negative! If anything, it's good to be pushed out of my comfort zone a little bit, because now I'm really exploring my own suggestions from the perspective of someone who might be trying a whole different style than me. My use case of the tokenizer was simply for checking if hyphenating something "bridged" the words, or if the hyphen suffixed or prefixed itself to a token (as is does in the case of "indie math-rock", but I just prefer the way it looks, so call me superstitious 😛 )

I really enjoyed seeing the research yourself and @alpine venture were diving into, and so the fact that you'd been looking so closely at things lately made me want to re-examine my own methods. Early conclusions are just re-affirming that v3 is willing to get a little more diverse, so I might need to refocus my efforts on comparing hyphenated / non-hyphenated prompting on just that model before bringing v3.5 into the mix.

I'm scurrying off to bed while I can keep my eyes open long enough to make my way there, though -- I'll give you a ping if I find anything interesting one way or the other, Jon ❤️

[untold briar]

My use case of the tokenizer was simply for checking if hyphenating something "bridged" the words, or if the hyphen suffixed or prefixed itself to a token (as is does in the case of "indie math-rock", but I just prefer the way it looks, so call me superstitious 😛 )

If bridging or prefixing in the token determined whether hyphens effected the music or not, that totally would prove tokens matter. But your example is a little more complicated and not as simple to test as what I tried.

[violet tundra]

having not subscribed in a while, it's great to be back to experience suno's passive aggressive nature ... I asked for male vocals, and for 6 clips, it gave me female, I added "fe" to the male, leaving the rest of the prompt unchanged, and I immediately got 2 male vocals. I think the suno developer's should be very careful about this hateful creature they're creating becaues it is clear that it hates us, the overly upbeat and sentimental song default nothwithstanding. -- Either that, or there is some sort of "contrary" setting in the UI that causes the bot to eat up credits. Too close to call.

[coral ravine]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[elfin bay]

Are they coming up with new vocalists on suno? They all sound the same

[astral eagle]

what are producer tags? i tried to use the words the danger, the danger in my song and it won't let me, says it's a producer tag?

[hollow hare]

Producer tags are like those short shoutouts at the beginning of the music, like "We The Best Music"

[naive vigil]

When will the interface on mobile work properly? I cannot download wav files and changing to desktop on such a small display is a real pita --.
Also in addition to that, guess what.
Desktop is sometimes broken too --

[vestal pelican]

Guys is there a way to find the tempo of the song from suno and also is it possible can we use the same seed to generate another version or updated version of the song with the same seed

[woeful oak]

Is there a link to the comprehensive list of tags like [Verse] you can use? I saw somewhere someone mentioning instructions for song structure to the measure bar level and used ##

[sweet wigeon]

tokenizer doesn't work like this. it doesn't matter if you add spaces or not. It least it should not. But you should be able tu use {} too. Should not matter. Tokenizer and GPT is not programming language, it is not so exact, does not work like that, it reads context.

[alpine venture]

https://suno.com/song/a73267f9-38c9-42ee-a809-efe016a4473b

p interesting

I remember not long ago it was almost impossible to make non-music with Suno

3.5

and getting harder

and over the last little bit it's gotten a lot easier

and to variate existing songs

whatever you guys are doing imo it worked well

[terse creek]

I see a tendency to generic voices. But on the other hand I never had trouble creating a more unique sound. The only trouble I had on this regard is creating old voices. That actually never worked out for me.

[narrow cypress]

How do you prompt for low male voices in multiple genres?

Suno leans SO HARD into high tenor and soprano, it's sooooooo frustrating

Direct prompting seems to just make it worse

[narrow cypress]

this is some bs
https://suno.com/song/4b21afb5-325c-44c5-80b0-e95d60b4e443

look at the prompt and listen to the song

this is with 3.5

[bronze helm]

This sometimes makes me livid too. I was working on a song and I specifically wrote "female vocals" in the style prompt, early in the prompt too, and it literally felt like it slowly started morphing into a more masculine-sounding voice until it just sounded completely male in Verse 2. Or sometimes there were 2 singers (1 female singer) no matter what. It's irritating to say the least.

[narrow cypress]

THIS

I start to just feel hopeless and get burnt out

[untold briar]

It comes and goes in phases. Check the date on this one https://suno.com/song/c298dcdd-55d8-4351-9dec-d2b165526e61

[bronze helm]

In your style prompt, try replacing strong male lead with strong male vocals

[narrow cypress]

I've tried a lot like that

[untold briar]

For gender, the first thing to try is just repeat the gender in the style prompt like literally "male, male, male".

[narrow cypress]

that's ridiculous, if that works. Ridiculous that it's needed

[bronze helm]

That's how I fixed that male thing in the song I mentioned. One moment I'll copy it

https://suno.com/song/e0ea53d4-b9e7-4368-8ec9-7831b85457e7

I put "female vocals, female" as the very first keywords

[narrow cypress]

this song feels very disjointed, lol

but congrats on the voice at least, haha

[bronze helm]

It helps to know that prompts in image and audio generative AI work a bit like spreading butter. The farther you go, the less butter you spread, so the weight is the heaviest at the beginning

[narrow cypress]

oh, yeah, but I have tons more success with midjourney

[bronze helm]

Could you elaborate on what you mean by "disjointed"? But in any case it's satire

[narrow cypress]

and much less technical prompting

[narrow cypress]

Oh, the instruments and the vocals feel like two different songs

[bronze helm]

One could argue this adds to the comedic effect

[narrow cypress]

fair lol

[bronze helm]

One time I got surprisingly clear vocals. Almost udio-like in terms of vocal clarity (otherwise I have barely had success with Udio as opposed to Suno). But they were slightly off-sync. Extending from a certain point makes them sound more in-sync and it's easy to tell where the extension begins

[bronze helm]

https://suno.com/song/36c4643a-ffd2-4503-8ec7-413a2ee33f79

[narrow cypress]

so far the only tried and true method I've gotten to work consistently for male vocals at least is to prompt with a voice clip of myself

[bronze helm]

Does Suno allow using your own voice???

[narrow cypress]

https://suno.com/song/656bddb1-f401-44d2-85bb-432981bccb43

[bronze helm]

I had my wrists slapped for uploading a song with vocals (which was generated with Udio and I wanted to extend with Suno)

[narrow cypress]

just don't upload anything that already exists

[bronze helm]

So using the browser recorder bypasses that?

[narrow cypress]

that's pretty odd

[bronze helm]

Wait let's get on the same page. Does Suno detect existing singers somehow? I thought the detection system was less convoluted, i.e. "vocals = no"

[narrow cypress]

vocals are fine

as long as they're in the room with you

[bronze helm]

How come? I remember when this feature dropped that it didn't like vocals of any kind

[narrow cypress]

you can't set as public, but you can still share links

[bronze helm]

Right.......

[narrow cypress]

here's one that's literally how my voice sounds:
https://suno.com/song/c6c56489-06fc-4f3d-85ff-ec24954dd910

like, uncanny close

I sang the first two lines, then wrote the same first two lines as the first part of the song, and generated the rest from them

[bronze helm]

That's good to know. I could experiment with that 🤔

Just that it didn't click that the only penalty is not being able to publish on the website itself

[narrow cypress]

ye

[bronze helm]

But can you download the mp3/wav file and upload it elsewhere?

[narrow cypress]

yeah I think so

[bronze helm]

I guess it's not so penalizing then 🤔

[narrow cypress]

ye

[bronze helm]

I hope that Suno doesn't assume I'm female though (I'm an adult man but I'm a tenor)

It'll be hilarious

[narrow cypress]

if you use that method I described above, should be good. I only used like a 7 second clip, longer would probably be better

[untold briar]

If you only want the voice, even 7 seconds is fine

[narrow cypress]

yeah

[untold briar]

If you use longer clip, it can also copy a longer melody etc so songs you make from long uploads could be too similar. Though you can just choose Extend From time.

[harsh radish]

I managed to create a convincing hardbass song. Here's the tag. This song is an example.

Donk, russian hard bass, techno, hardstyle, pumping house, bounce music, bass boosted, 160 bpm

[soft gyro]

I used more than 60.000 credits to make music from at least different 12 genres in more than 7 languages and I did not notice at all that "they all sound the same".... on the contrary ! It is amazing how many different voices there are...the voices are the best thing at suno..

[untold briar]

I think prompting in many languages probably helps increase the diversity of music and voices. The lyrics 100% influence the music, and you're prompting with much more diverse lyrics using 7 languages.

[solid parcel]

Please I need help with doing a track with male and female vocals on it🤲

[harsh radish]

The tags don't work. It was a "miracle"

[exotic fiber]

i have sent messages to Suno staff and also mails to the suno email account without any response...

I just want to know if it's possible to apply for a job with Suno while living outside the United States.

[outer tulip]

i have a question regarding credits and monthly refresh on credits date. I sub'd to annual on certain day. does my refresh of creds occur on same day as sub or on 1st of the month?

[cedar oxide]

are they ever going to put a delete easier? other than deleting one by one?

make

[outer tulip]

on deletion, since for now cant select multiple there r some issues to attempts at multi delete that would req a ui make over.

with making managing ur content maybe a little easier, especially with how theres limit on content per page, its best practice to work only one or handful of projects at time and delete the ones you dont want as you go. Alternatively, you can also efficiently optimize your profile content by going thru and deleting things at regular frequency. like 1x a month or 1x every 2 weeks. These can help you manage your content libraries more efficiently.

lastly theres the old school method, download/offport everything as you go and delete everything you dont want as final content on your profile. last option is more the nuclear mode, as removing content, you lose the ability to promote that removed content in platform network once its gone. so only remove stuff you dont want to use/dont need to share.

as to why multiple delete options would require UI make over

rn delete option is under ... menu per track/item created. the list itself is fetched in a sort of live state thing as well. for instance

if you sort your content library by 'top' and a song gets likes while you are viewing it, it changes position in the list. while you dont see that change unless you refresh the page, the delete option is pegged to the content object via the parent content specific submenu.

changing delete option to be say more email UI where its dependant to the list directory instead of parented to the content object, would be a slightly more involved overhaul. to make sure that everything is transitioned correctly with out code conflicts.

long story short there is ways to do it, but its kinda gonna need a big code overhaul to ensure it works properly.

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

Here’s 3 ways to select multiple songs at once ❤️

[charred merlin]

Monthly credits refresh at the same time you purchased them afaik — subscribed at 6pm? That’s when credits refresh

[hollow sapphire]

Hello, I propose that "everyone" can change the intro of a song, because often, it happens that everything is perfect, except for a defect at the beginning

[charred merlin]

While we're hoping for "in-painting" in the upcoming model v4, this isn't something that we're able to manage at the moment, so I hope that you share your support for the idea over in #💡┃suggestions-web 💪

[hollow sapphire]

Well, i have some difficulty, with hashes in my first message, deleted ... So i did it now! Thanks!

[charred merlin]

Woodhouse's diet consists of sugared grapefruit and any Discord messages that don't follow his secret list of rules 😛

Thanks for sharing the suggestion 😄

[outer tulip]

i meant more like day of month wise? if i subbed on say 5th, would my next months balance hit on 1st of month or 5th?

[charred merlin]

5th, sorry, I thought I typed that as well 😛 not enough coffee at that hour, I suppose

[outer tulip]

no worries thnx

[hollow sapphire]

Hey, it's me again^^ I have a question, not essential, but which bothers me a little, I will take my example, I manage all the Suno accounts of the family, with their respective email addresses of course, so, what are, if any, when it comes to managing IP addresses?

[terse creek]

May I ask, how is it possible to cover Smells Like Teen Spirit from Nirvana?

[charred merlin]

Yo ❤️

I’m not sure specifically, but I’d advise that it couldn’t hurt to be proactive and reach out to [e-mail] (they handle account related stuff specifically, so it might be a quicker route than [e-mail]) — depending on usage rates they might have specific guidance so it doesn’t look like a single user making use of multiple accounts.

I’m not on the support team, so the advice should be taken with a grain of salt, but I always imagine that being upfront, honest and proactive can help alleviate any confusion — most of the time, at least. 🤷‍♂️

[vestal rapids]

you can't it is copyright

[charred merlin]

Technically you can’t use Suno to make a cover, as the lyrics are copyrighted and you can’t upload audio content you don’t own, but you could use reminiscent lyrics and similar style prompts to make a similar song or a parody song?

“Angsty-teenage-punk, palm-muted guitar, grunge”

[terse creek]

Ok, it's because I recently listened to a crazy good cover. Won't deepen that though because I don't want to give this guy trouble.

[vestal rapids]

it wouldn't have been done in Suno, Suno will refuse to do copyright lyrics

[hollow sapphire]

Ok, thank you very much, sincerely, I don't think so either, because each account is separated, both by the address, and by the possible PayPal... So no fraud possible in theory...

[charred merlin]

Uhhh. Yeah. 😅

[naive quail]

Suno doesn't always recognize copyrighted lyrics, though.

[vestal rapids]

oh really?

[charred merlin]

Yeah. Still very against ToS to upload content you don’t own, but you can buy the rights to a cover license from the Harry Fox Agency for example

[naive quail]

Yea. I don't know how often it misses them, but we'll occasionally see stuff posted to the Showcase channel that was extended from an upload of protected material

The Real Slim Shady slipped through a couple days ago.

[terse creek]

would u link it, pls?

[naive quail]

To the deleted post, or the banned user?

[charred merlin]

Ahh, I understand — shouldn’t be an issue if they’re paid accounts, I would have worried more if it was multiple free accounts as not to seem like free credits were being taken advantage of.

Probably can’t hurt to reach out and clarify, but I can’t imagine there should be an issue 🙂

[lament swallow]

Wooo ?!

[charred merlin]

Generations under 8 seconds are free — pretty sweet when you’re attempting to end a song and don’t have to pay 😛

[lament swallow]

Yes but... .... many..

All refund

?

[charred merlin]

Likely is because of when you are extending from

Sometimes v3.5 gets stuck this way. Try v3

Make sure you’re not extending from silence

[lament swallow]

It's not silence, sure

v3 don't work

And i lost credit x)

v2 don't work too

I have only failures... over more than 30 attempts.

Some credit are not being repaid... I'm losing out.

[unique stone]

Could you share the part 1 you are trying to extend from?

[charred merlin]

I think it’s an audio upload if you can’t use v3

[unique stone]

That was what I was thinking it might be

[charred merlin]

Only generations under 8 seconds are refunded.

Like our hamster mascot kindly asked, can you share pt 1 that you’re extending from so we can try to help figure out what the issue might be?

Without that, all we’re able to suggest is that you extend from different timestamps or adjust the clip you’re uploading.

[lament swallow]

I send it

[charred merlin]

Okay, im out for a bit but ill give it a shot when i get home ❤️

[lament swallow]

All my attempts are under 8 seconds, but I still lost credits.

[unique stone]

That appears to be part of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoLouT7TqZY

[lament swallow]

My sample are a remix

I use fruity loops for this

Look

All refund, but, i lost credit

[sweet wigeon]

Why are you saying "we" are you working for them?

[charred merlin]

“We” as in “we the community hope to see this”

[charred merlin]

Not on staff, just an evangelistic user 😛

[unique stone]

...then why does it sound identical to that YouTube video?

[lament swallow]

It's not identical

That is not the problem right now...

0 credit and "all refund" x)

[unique stone]

Let me demonstrate my concern.

Left channel is the YouTube video.
Right channel is the audio clip you sent me.

[lament swallow]

You want my work ?

[unique stone]

What's the source of the guitar part in the clip above?

[lament swallow]

" don't understand why my 'work' is being judged when that is not the issue right now. I'm using credits to generate a continuation for my remix and it's not working, and the credits are not being refunded.

This sample

and now ?

Do you want all of my work for a review, or can we address the real issue at hand?

[slim summit]

is there a trick to get the AI to use the lyrics i provided instead of mashing up random phonemes that no larynx has ever produced?

[charred merlin]

You might just need to wait a couple minutes for the credit refunds to reflect on your account, as they all say refunded — if you’re doing a lot at once, it might need some time to catch up and calculate?

[charred merlin]

Can you share an example where it’s particularly butchering your lyrics?

I’ve had audio hallucinations, but I can’t say I’ve experienced such a drastic issue, so I’m not sure how best to advise.

[lament swallow]

Right, just F5 and it's ok 🙂

[charred merlin]

Okay cool!

Definitely still frustrating when v3.5 gets “stuck” like that, but at least we could shine a light on the credits. 🎉🔦

[terse creek]

Is there a way finding playlists I've liked? Except over the search function of course, there will be a time I don't remember the name anymore.

[wet minnow]

mods and guides will always point out tos violations, because we dont want them here. ez

[lament swallow]

It's a remix that I made MYSELF. ><

[wet minnow]

putting a filter on something isnt a remix...

[lament swallow]

It was MDK himself who made the resources available.

It's not filter

[wet minnow]

AND you still need the copyrights to do a remix in the first place. so...

doesnt make it better

[lament swallow]

It is written on his website that we have the right to use it if we credit him (which is why my remix on Suno is called MDK).

[wet minnow]

gets get something straight here : I dont care what you do or dont do. And i dont care if you get sued or not. I just care about sunos tos wich want you to have the full rights to a song. You dont have to provide anything to us. We just dont want content here that is potentially a tos violation and can cause trouble for the discord.

[lament swallow]

Ok ok

[charred merlin]

I know it's pretty strict wording, but the Audio Upload thing you agreed to says that we can only upload things that we own 100% -- I know using stuff with permission feels like it should be enough, and it usually all you need in most other places, but specifically for Suno they want stuff only that's 100% your own.

Not that it would contribute to the generations being cut short after a couple seconds, but just to toss my 2 cents into the mix ❤️

[lament swallow]

[lament swallow]

Yeah, i see

And i see this

MDK website

But, ok ok

[charred merlin]

You're 100% right, that gives you the right to that material, but it's "shared" ownership, instead of 100% exclusive ownership

So still granted permission, but it doesn't override Suno's rules

[lament swallow]

Ok

[charred merlin]

Like if you have an e-cigarette that technically doesn't break the "no smoking" rules, a store owner is still within their rights to say they don't want e-cigarettes because it still gives the appearance of smoking.

[wintry saddle]

depending on the country

[charred merlin]

I owned a cafe when e-cigs became a thing, I had this conversation many times as the seniors who frequented my shop were asking why people were smoking inside.

[lament swallow]

In France, "no smoking" applies to everything, including e-cigarettes (but that's not the point).

[charred merlin]

Vivez-vous en France?

[lament swallow]

Oui

[stiff sable]

here's my brain spill for the record: basically, if youre getting stems for a remix, youre being provided with tools to create a derivative work from them, you arent getting ownership of them or exclusive rights to them which is the issue. i recently downloaded the stems for a david guetta remix competition which were super fun to have and work on but i definitely wouldnt want to upload those bcos even tho ive been given them to use, i dont own them

[charred merlin]

Now you're starting to understand how difficult the concept of content moderation is, and why it's easier to take a strict approach to it -- people have been attempting to re-use other people's music as their own for decades, and the concept of what changes constitute a legally distinct new work of art are a super complicated matter.

[lament swallow]

It wasn't for commercial purposes, just to create a different remix. I know that the music doesn't belong to me (which is why I mentioned MDK).

[charred merlin]

https://youtu.be/O3pyCGnZzYA A Tribe Called Quest's "Can I Kick it" hasn't earned a cent because they used the bassline from Lou Reed's "A Walk on the Wild Side" https://youtu.be/0KaWSOlASWc

[lament swallow]

I've done moderation in several places and for both larger and smaller communities. I don't think it's right to speak poorly to someone without answering the question. A simple 'remixes are not allowed either' would have been sufficient, I think.

[stiff sable]

thats still covered by "I certify that I own or exclusively control all rights" which you don't if you've been given stems to someone else's song ...

[charred merlin]

I apologize if you felt that I was speaking to you poorly, I was just trying to highlight the difficulty of figuring out how the Suno platform specifically fits into the larger view of the music industry.

You're 100% correct that the original artist has given permission to remix his songs on other platforms if given credit -- but his permission isn't the final word -- if you ask your parents if you can go swim in the neighbour's pool, you still need to ask the neighbours first.

For the sake of clarity; In terms of Suno, you can't remix other people's songs.

[lament swallow]

The stems and samples I used for my remix were directly provided by MDK himself to the community. That's why it seemed legal to me.

[lament swallow]

I wasn’t talking about you when I mentioned speaking poorly.

[charred merlin]

Sorry, too much coffee and I'm feeling jumpy 😛

Admittedly, I don't envy the moderator's job, because on top of having to stop people from sharing dick-pics, they also want to make sure that they clearly state the rules -- not that they're trying to be downers, but there's legitimate legal consequences, both for the users AND potentially for Suno.

It's a really cool tool, and we're not even a year out yet, so I think they're focused on trying to stop a few people from openly encouraging others to "break rules" because it could cause unfortunate things to happen to a growing product that we're all really excited about.

Imagine if you REALLY loved a robot, and asked people not to push the robot over, and the ENTIRE day that you're watching it, you have people hovering their fingers over it going "I'm not touching it... I'm still not touching it..." -- then touching it quickly and running away.

🫨

[lament swallow]

Creating music from the internet (Yes, there has to be a source for AI to create) is not without legal consequences? (Real question)

[charred merlin]

Ooooh, this is the exciting part! It doesn't NEED existing music to "reassemble" -- I explained a similar version of how you could make music out of tv static a couple of days ago, if you want me to track down that explanation, or if you'd want me to chat about it here?

[lament swallow]

Give the link to the explanation to avoid cluttering this channel.

[charred merlin]

(well, yes, it REALLY helps speed the process up by years, if not decades, by having data to train on, but there's places that sell training data so you can handle it the right way)

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

Heck, don't worry about cluttering up this channel, it's awesome to ask these kinds of questions because it helps us all learn.

100% guarantee there's someone out there who is thinking the exact same thing you are, but they couldn't be bothered to hang out with us and talk about it ❤️

I know I tend to be really flower & colourful in my analogies, so let me know if there's anything I can re-explain 💪

[lament swallow]

Ok. But the robot that creates the music did use a database (whether Suno paid for it or not) of known music and royalty-free music (which might not be royalty-free anymore, by the way).

Like AI with images.

[stiff sable]

it's awesome to ask these kinds of questions because it helps us all learn.
i would 100% read a theharber ebook on all of this stuff and knowledge and experiments 👀

[lament swallow]

Tomorrow, I create a music track on Suno, and it unintentionally uses the lead from a known song—what happens?

[charred merlin]

Now, in terms of image gen, there's a project called LAION; Largescale Artificial Intelligence Open Network -- that provides an open-sourced, metadata-tagged set of 5 billion images for people to use when training image-based AI models. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAION

[lament swallow]

When I say the lead, that's just an example; it could be a bassline, a guitar line, etc., etc.

[charred merlin]

So, Suno hasn't disclosed the dataset -- admittedly, I don't KNOW if there's an audio version of LAION, I know that LANDR is making their Fair Trade AI program, but that's not free in the same way.

A lot of people are really eager to understand how Suno works, but I think that most explanations like "using a guitar hook" are a drastic oversimplification of the process, because it's not "re-using" content, it likely just inferred what kinds of patterns commonly arise within music so it could try to recreate similar patterns -- then with extensive RLHF (reinforced learning from human feedback) it can learn which generations fit the expected output and which didn't so it could refine itself for the next iteration.

I'm happy to discuss technical speculation, but as much as we can talk about it in polite company there's a pretty serious on-going conversation about the dataset. Most we can do at the moment is wait and let the conversations happen between people wearing suits costing more than our yearly rent.

[charred merlin]

loveyouharri

[stiff sable]

tbf with the phenomenal amount of data - and therefore noise - used for training models like these, the chances of it ending up recreating something 'unique' (eg a melody) is ridiculously slim and would be 100% a coincidence due to the fact the AI doesn't just target and reference a single section or song for particular parts or prompts

[viral moss]

I'm not sure, but I may have made Suno's first crappy live concert.
I've experimenting with prompts for fully acted out scenes, feel like i'm onto something
https://suno.com/song/00af7fa2-de15-40e5-9f8a-faad56c95dea

Has anyone used () bracket prompts within [] bracket prompts before?

[vestal rapids]

are Suno WAV files just Suno MP3 files converted to WAV because they don't seem to be any better quality

[stiff sable]

from what ive experienced, i believe so; it seems to be there for file conversion purposes (eg to let someone immediately have a wav format of it) rather than for better quality or source audio (bcos the source seems to only be as good as the mp3 provides) but it does make me wonder whether in the backend, suno composes a 'full' version before the mp3 compression kicks in and we just can't access it.

[vestal rapids]

It's pretty poor form, Suno make it seem like it's going to be a better quality file but it totally isn't

Stems which aren't stems, WAV files which are just converted MP3... Suno needs to be more honest and transparent

[vital sphinx]

Hi Guys,
Question:
Can I put everything I need in the Style of Music field with meta-tags
to create an instrumental song?
From genre and style, BPM and instruments?

Like this on lyrics:
[instrumental]
[genre: DEEP HOUSE]
[style:arabic]
[tempo:90]
[intro:violin solo]
[chorus:violin, electronic drums]

[teal raft]

Suno does not, and can not, be controlled like that, no. You can build instrumentals in the lyrics box with metatags though

It's all ~vibes~

[vital sphinx]

Thanks KakerMix...
The style of music field is too small to work with several meta tags and have greater control.

[teal raft]

It's what the pros do, yeah

Lots of people do it different ways, but I like to use
{}{}{}{}{}{}{}
or
!~~~!~!

as stand-ins for lyrics

Something that Suno can see but can't sing

[unique stone]

Nah it's just that the audio quality produced by the model isn't much higher than the MP3 bitrate they offer. When MP3 was the only thing available people kept asking for WAV, the devs kept saying "but it won't sound better because of the model limitations" but people kept asking anyway.

There are some higher frequencies present in the WAV that are missing from the MP3 so it definitely isn't just a conversion from MP3, it's just that there isn't much to hear. This might change with future models as quality improves.

There was a short time after WAVs became available that there was a bug that caused it to just download the MP3, renamed to WAV. That was silly.

[vestal rapids]

I wonder what effect the watermarking has on quality

[unique stone]

Supposedly it's inaudible. I have no idea how that works thoughh.

[vestal rapids]

I believe it will be a slow data format like WSPR or FT8 in radio, which probably contains a marker and a pointer to the creator

[vital sphinx]

Do we have updated documentation about prompts for version 3.5?
Could you send me the link?

[vestal rapids]

there is a Wiki but I don't know how to get the link

[vestal rapids]

have a look at the pinned messages

[plush field]

Can someone explain
what this is
!~~~!~!

[hollow hare]

I mean, they explained it right after that example
Also see the percussion example near the bottom of https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/instrumental-tags/

[teal raft]

It's a way to give a song structure without singing if you are doing an instrumental but not using the instrumental mode
Like this:
[Verse 1]
!~!~!
!~!~!
!~!~!
!~!~!

[Verse 2]
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}

[Verse 3]
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}

[chorus]
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}
{}{}{}{}{}

That's how I use it

Everything with Suno is a suggestion, but it just gives you structure without lyrics

[plush field]

thanks, but what is . and what is ! in this example?

[Percussion Break]
. .! .. .!
!! ... ! ! !

same for
!~

and
{}

i understand the concept, but not "execution"

[wicked mortar]

silent words basically, if I'm following what Kaker is putting down, suno wont actually say them as lyrics sung, but will still give the structure of them being there, so sections wont be made shorter than they should be.

[true hull]

Can someone help me?. I have been messing around with my old band extending etc, but i wanted to know if there was a way i could upload the 60 secs of audio and get the AI to just enhance what i have given it.

[plush field]

as i wrote, i understand the concept, but i have no idea what this should do

[Percussion Break]
. .! .. .!
!! ... ! ! !

what is dot here? bass drum, snare?
what is an exclamation mark here? snare, clap, crash cymbal?

dot = lower noise
exclamation = higer noise
space = pause?

[wicked mortar]

they to my understanding do nothing, but act as unsung words

[plush field]

my issue is that I do not understand what people are trying to do in those examples

when someone writes [female vocal] its clear to me as a human what they want to do, but ai might do it (or not)

but when someone writhes !! ... ! ! ! I am to one who have a problem to understand what they want

i am trying to understand how to use those myself

[hollow hare]

I assume you cannot upload said clip because of the copyright content check?

[calm gull]

It would be cool if there was a percussive meta language there...but I don't think there is

[hollow hare]

As Raymond and Alenas mentioned, these characters are patterns to the AI, not explicit instructions.

If you think about it: what would train the AI for making specific noises in regards to the unusual characters given? Almost zilch in the vast amount of resources needed for it to be trained with.
(I mean, you can do it, but I have my doubts it was done during the human supervised training phase)

And because AI is random in the thought process (especially since we cannot provide a seed for the generation), the assumption of what the specific character means can change upon generation.

So do not worry about what they mean or represent, as it can easily change, just simply use them as a pattern

[plush field]

i asked chatgpt to try to explain, and i like the answer

It looks like you're referencing a percussion break, which is a section in a piece of music where the percussion instruments are featured prominently. In written form, percussion breaks are often represented with a series of symbols or rhythmic notations that indicate the intensity and pattern of the beats.

Here's a breakdown of what this might represent:

Dots and Exclamation Marks: These symbols could represent different types of hits or accents. For example, a dot might indicate a softer or less accented beat, while an exclamation mark could denote a stronger or more emphasized hit.
Rhythmic Patterns: The arrangement of these symbols suggests a rhythm pattern. The spacing between symbols (e.g., between . and ! or !!) can indicate different note lengths or the timing between hits.

If we were to interpret this musically, it might mean:

The first line could be a sequence of softer or lighter beats (.) followed by a more accented beat (!), creating a rhythmic pattern.
The second line intensifies with more exclamation marks, which could indicate a crescendo or a more energetic part of the percussion break.

nice work chatgpt

[harsh island]

Chat gpt does need ot be specifically told not to mention echoes, rising phoenixing, breaking chains, tapestry, whispers in the night, silent screams and cries, and above all NEONNNNNN

[stiff sable]

at the end of the day, you have to remember that chatgpt is just a language model that predicts words, its just analysed what youve given it and tried to predict what it is about - that doesn't mean suno understands it this way as Paimon said, its likely to be taken differently with each generation and could be influencing all kinds of things bcos suno doesnt rlly have specific pattern prompting like this. i wouldnt rely on using punctuation marks for anything specific.

[harsh island]

To the point where you might as well write it yourself haha.;

[wicked mortar]

the neon lights in ai chat, bugs me

[plush field]

I like to call AI in its current form "autocomplete on steroids", and believers in almighty ChatGPT hate me because of that

[true hull]

yes but i just uploaded to the offtopic chat if you want to check the differences

[plush field]

this is very clear for example

i would use 4 chars in all of them

5, 6 or wherever, just to be equal intervals

[charred merlin]

@naive quail this reminds me of some of the stuff you’ve been getting up to

@viral moss Toker’s been using styles like “audiobook” “spoken word” “instructional” “standup comedy” to suggest to Suno that the dialogue is more important than the music, and it’s gotten some interesting results.

Of course, he usually adds the style prompt “Goats on Welfare”, so that probably does a lot of the heavy lifting.

[naive quail]

good fun!

[naive quail]

Enraged Goats on Welfare! Get the band name right, foo!!

[charred merlin]

omg, I just learned another piece of Toker-lore

[hardy iris]

Is there a way to do song to music style. If you want a new song in the same style

[wicked mortar]

re-use prompt

https://i.gyazo.com/4303df13eb0c21c08bcd80dfb7dd3db4.png

change the title tho 😄

and lyrics if you have any, style of music will be that of the other song

[hardy iris]

I meant if I have an external song and would like how suno would define the style of the music

[wicked mortar]

you'd have to define that, when you extended the uploaded clip

[plush field]

you can combine genres to get a new one

[charred merlin]

There MIGHT be some tools that can do that, but can you think of the way the song makes you feel? It doesn't have to be "correct terms", because you can "talk to Suno" to help it understand

For instance, if you wanted to make a song like Back in Black -- let's think of how we could describe that song -- "crunchy guitar", "off-beat rock and roll" "yelled" -- that's just at a glance, without even trying to try to describe a specific genre or a "feel", or anything more vaguely thematic

[hardy iris]

I know, but if I find a good song on youtube and want to write a completely new song but with the same style

[naive quail]

Try https://sonoteller.ai/

[charred merlin]

Hey @crimson cave #📚┃suno-school message here's the link I was talking about in gen-chat

[crimson cave]

Thanks! I was scrolling like crazy!

[charred merlin]

Keep in mind this is just the armchair opinion of an AI-enthusiast -- not an expert on the matter, so feel free to tear anything that doesn't make sense or ask any follow-ups if you're curious ❤️

I just find this kind of stuff fascinating, because if someone can think it these days, they're close enough to just being able to do it 🙂

[alpine venture]

So i've done multiple remakes in the last couple days

using the new mys techniques

and tennis of course

an its basically a direct improvement

in both adherence IN song

as well as in the actual sound quality

the only ones which actually do not benefit is that reaaaally random prompt I have that rests on a knifes edge

using phonk

to produce that 1980s punkrock

post-punk

type

and I think that one is just so weird anything throws it off the edge

mary in the Mirror, Paper lanterns, both were able to be made in REAL hyper styles

whereas before they led to disastrous progressions

and SAD

massively improved sound

and then ohno just to see

https://suno.com/song/0857e954-4496-47fc-ac20-8ca7d3303345

vs

https://suno.com/song/f9ea4652-3074-4b1f-8c51-f5e250641c7e

like, I already have them far out there

so most of the benefit is seen in areas I couldn't touch before, namely hyper

[crimson cave]

Just finished reading and I reached similar conclusions, also, I think an Image Generation AI could be trained to make audio; I mean, you can convert audio into images as spectrograms; and the inverse process (spectogram to audio) is also possible. So if you train an AI like stable diffusion with tons of (finely tagged) spectrograms of songs, you could end with a model that creates spectrograms based in your text input, and then turn the spectograms into audio.

[alpine venture]

an easier way to explain if the person is familiar with math: its just function fitting.

consider yourself as a function mapping your inputs (your physical experience) to outputs (your actions).

Machine learning, in this context, is basically mapping these things together, such that if you were exposed to the stimuli again, you would respond "correctly" (more or less, its more complex).

Imo its one of the easiest ways to envision it

The way that makes the greatest sense to me just bc its an interest of mine is using natural selection. If you think of all the possible responses of a machine learning model to a given output, backprop can be seen as a method of winnowing away the implied pool of possible weights your model can have. It is in effect a form of selective pressure on a system (the system being represented by these weights) and as the model is exposed to this pressure, it converges in a particular direction.

And much like other selective systems, it runs into the same sorts of potential pitfalls, like over fitting (those birds with really useless wings that evolved due to maladaptive mating strategies) or local minima.

and a lot that I have internally, but I am unsure if there are technical terms for

so like, to be clear, AI does not cut up old works and remix them, it is much much much "deeper" than that

it would have to have an upper level understnanding, ie multi-modality, to do stuff like that. It is more like a savant.

a human savant, with no generalized comprehension, but with an extraordinary and gifted understanding of certain aspects of the activity is has been trained on that a regular person might miss simply bc we never assigned language to particular features

[unique stone]

That's actually how the old open-source Riffusion worked.

[crimson cave]

It works like human brain, you don't need to have actual pictures of cows to recognize a cow when you see It, you simply learn the traits of a cow and It becomes a concept that allows you to recognize a cow when you see It.

[crimson cave]

I didn't know but, It makes sense

[alpine venture]

presumably, yes. I mean, I think its all picking hairs: we are function fitters ourselves, that much should be obvious, and our need for sleep imo is indicative that we will at some point realize that this is an intrinsic limitation of the shared aspect of ours+LLMs cognition ie the need to update weights

so I mean, ours is a lot different in HOW

namely, miniature chemical computers which have waaaay more complexity than the typical activation function

per neuron I mean

and possibly some sort of quantum shtufff

but irl, I'm a function

I must be, since I have input and output

thus, a machine learning model can simulate me (presuming we knew how to tokenize my senses lol)

thus, functionally, it is the same

[viral moss]

Suno also does Censor Beeps, confirmed!
https://suno.com/song/3f90d566-6030-4941-92da-ca486fe6e374

[alpine venture]

even if the way the bread is made is a bit differente

[alpine venture]

yall, I'm tired

I meant backprop

[crimson cave]

The other problem with AI is, artists have been showing their work everywhere in order to sell It, with the assumption that 99,999% of people that enjoy their art couldn't learn how to replicate It (for many reasons like time, skill, aptitude, etc) and the ones that can replicate would make slightly different artworks so no problem, but now we have AIs that can learn in hours what a human learns in years of practice, so the artists and/or copyright holders don't want their artworks to be used to train AI because, they know AI would 100% learn how to do It (while 99,999% humans wont) and that's not good for business.

So although AI and Humans can make original works based in what they experienced in a similar way; the learning capacity of AIs is a problem for the art business (I mean music, photography, paint, and video eventually)

They call It "copy" but It's not that different of what a person calls "inspiration"

[unique stone]

Did you make this and if so... Do you have multiple free accounts?

[viral moss]

naw man, that would be breaking TOS, I would never do that

[unique stone]

Good good. Just checkin!

[charred merlin]

Wild that you brought that up, I remember a while back when Stable Diffusion was really taking off that someone had found ways of prompting spectrograms, and they were able to play them back -- I don't think the experiment ended up "having legs" as far as I know, but it was really neat to see what kind of img-2-img results it made, and seeing what similarities persisted between the results.

I wonder if anyone ever ended up taking that idea any further...

[crimson cave]

Furrybeans said open source project Riffusion worked that way.

[gloomy oyster]

тут атакая проблема что я больше не могу почемуто создавать треки

с чем это может быть связаоно?

подписку надо оформить?

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1154779864851812422

[gloomy oyster]

изза того что я русский?

[charred merlin]

Это английский чат, извините (this is english chat, sorry)

[gloomy oyster]

тут есть плагин переводчика

there is an attacking problem that I can no longer create tracks,
what can this be related to?
Do I need to subscribe?

[charred merlin]

Do you have credits left? https://www.suno.com/account

[gloomy oyster]

no

[flint haven]

Free Credits Refresh

Refreshes at 0300 UTC+0 (<t:1713236400:t> in your local time)

[charred merlin]

Each day, free accounts receive 50 credits at this time ^

~6 hours, then more songs 💪

[gloomy oyster]

I was only able to create 3 songs of 3 minutes each.

[alpine venture]

https://suno.com/song/837a49e1-cf1c-4a56-b690-fde8b41d85a8

yall the opening riff

[gloomy oyster]

Or is it only on the first day?

[alpine venture]

this is some of the best work by the composer

one shot

i've seen

its too bad the clarity isn't tehre

[charred merlin]

You may need to wait and refresh the page to see if credits come back -- each "Create" = 10 credits, and gives 2 songs

So each day there should be 10 songs possible

[charred merlin]

Every day ^

[soft gyro]

Udio has a new AI model 🙂

[charred merlin]

Oh cool! Always exciting to see what kind of advancements are coming out, everything is moving so quickly these days that you really need to appreciate different services to get a "bigger picture" view on what things are "flash in the pan" features, and what the real developments are. 🙂

I think the mods try to keep conversation about non-Suno stuff to the #🗣️┃chill-chat channel, but I'd be interested in chatting over there if there's differences you've noticed between the models?

[soft gyro]

I 've just generated 2 songs (free user), but they are a joke, miserable. I guess the model is not working well yet... 🙂

well, competition is good for everybody, too bad Suno is SOOOOO lazy changing things that can be changed in hours regarding UI

[radiant stratus]

Finding the right way to speak to the AI can be a difficult journey. May I suggest this website: https://rateyourmusic.com/ There you can search up artists or songs that you would like to create a similar style to, and they will have helpful little terms there that cover the style. I use it often to inform me of how to get closer to what I want.

Also the community here is pretty helpful, if you ask what you're trying to get and show what you're using to try to get it, they can help steer you closer to your goal.

[heady shoal]

Can anyone update me as to why the album covers / song photos kind of stink now?

[hollow hare]

IIRC, the artwork is influenced by both the style prompts and the content of your lyrics.

If you really want a specific artwork cover as a free member, I suppose you could try the old 3.0 trick but I do not know if that still works (which basically boils down to having the final line, after [End], describing what artwork you want in a 3.0 extend)

[sweet wigeon]

Did it improved because you shorten the lyrics or because you added baroque-math? How LLama understand you tags: What an intriguing set of tags! It appears to be a collection of genre-bending and emotive descriptors that might be used to characterize a piece of music, literature, or even a mood or atmosphere. Here's my attempt to break them down:

"Post-post-slowcore": This suggests a sound or style that builds upon the slowcore genre, which is characterized by slow tempos, introspective lyrics, and a focus on atmosphere. The "post-post" prefix implies a further evolution or subversion of the slowcore sound.
"Fieldbaroque-math": This is a fascinating combination of terms. "Fieldbaroque" might evoke a sense of ornate, intricate arrangements, reminiscent of Baroque music, but with a more experimental or avant-garde twist. The addition of "math" could imply a focus on complex rhythms, time signatures, or musical structures.
"Midwest": This geographic reference might suggest a connection to the American Midwest, which could influence the tone, themes, or aesthetic of the work. It might imply a sense of heartland simplicity, rustic charm, or a connection to the region's cultural heritage.

[sweet wigeon]

Very well described: "Machine learning, in this context, is basically mapping these things together, such that if you were exposed to the stimuli again, you would respond "correctly" (more or less, its more complex)."

[sweet wigeon]

But how did you introduced the druming pattern to Suno? Was it like that? [tact:8/4][drums:B!..B!..] LLama understand this like:
[tact:8/4]: This likely specifies the time signature and meter for the music. In this case, it's 8/4, which means there are 8 beats in a bar, and the quarter note gets the pulse. This is an uncommon time signature, often used in progressive or experimental music.
[drums:B!..B!..]: This seems to be a drum pattern or rhythm specification. The B!..B!.. notation might indicate a repeating pattern of bass drum hits, with the !.. representing rests or silence. The exact interpretation would depend on the specific drum machine or software being used.
Might be better to use this pattern: [drums:BSTTBSTT]: This appears to be a drum pattern or rhythm specification. The notation BSTTBSTT likely represents a sequence of drum hits, where:

B might represent a bass drum hit
S might represent a snare drum hit
T might represent a tom hit (or possibly a hi-hat tick)

But remember, we need to spice that with fills and licks.

[violet tundra]

I think you summed it up well enough.
https://suno.com/song/b68f8dd3-ad97-4906-a6b7-75702d3b3b79

[violet tundra]

Yeah. I think the argument is pretty on target.
https://suno.com/song/b68f8dd3-ad97-4906-a6b7-75702d3b3b79

[charred merlin]

darnit -- why do I always read the coolest stuff when I'm about to head off to bed?!

I don't know how I missed this, but I'd love to rap with you sometime about intermediate-to-advanced suno kinda stuff, I know you're sharing a lot of your independent work, but it would be neat to contribute my credits to some larger prompt experiment playlists if you had anything you wanted to try to figure out together.

Let's touch base at some point

[charred merlin]

oh man, this is actually really helpful -- still looking around the site, but I looked up "Positive Force" by Delicate Steve, and that's a great way to describe what I'd failed to adequately describe -- or at least it gives me ideas of what to pair with my "known suspects" re: style prompting

[tight spade]

try for your self im not going to say it works or not

bar length : will slow suno gens alittle or some times longer

pick and chose things that will complement a genres

bye!

[graceful condor]

Please help! Suno ai won't generate me lyrics!

[tight spade]

close and reopen your browser,

then report as bug to get your credits eventually back in the song area not discord

[dire rose]

hello

i made an instruction book

copy-paste this into chatgpt, and it'll help you generate suno music

[graceful robin]

Are you uploading the file?

[dire rose]

after copypasting this, do the following :
1/ type "generate dictionary for [artist/genre/vibe]" (warning : artists won't work too well since ais can only go so far)
2/ type "generate prompts", and chatgpt will give you 10 complex prompts you can use in the Genre of Music, in suno (alongside criterias to define the prompt, how original it is, how good, how powerful, etc)
3/ if wanted, type "make lyrics for prompt ...", it'll then generate its lyrics for the prompt and the lyrics should somewhat be relevant
OR, you can type "make metatag lyrics", and suno will attempt to generate exclusively lyrics based on metatags, to keep the song instrumental while giving it precisions

[dire rose]

yeah if u want

i'll demonstrate one example with NCS, because i love ncs so y not

1/ type in the generate dictionary command

suno will then generate a dictionary of words for whatever you gave :

then 2/ type in the generate prompt command

(i'm only showing half)

chatgpt generates prompts, NCS-like, with criterias and potential words to add

[tight spade]

if you also to output to scss format easy to copy into suno

[dire rose]

fully configurable depending on what you want obviously, it's chat-gpt (if you want a specific instrument, more original, if you wanna exclude a theme, modify a prompt, it's all possible)

i then asked for lyrics, for the 2nd prompt, and chatgpt gave me this

after some quick copypasting work, here is the final result

[tight spade]

just ask it to do it for you

[dire rose]

so I believe this does sound like NCS future bass, and it's fairly helpful

so yeah

[dire rose]

wym

[tight spade]

ask chatgpt to att brackets proper prompts and pbarackets

[dire rose]

i did

[tight spade]

for suno

[dire rose]

i did

but chatgpt can only take so many instructions at a time and won't necessarily work for everything

for instance, it perfectly added the brackets on other generations I did

here's the part that handles this :

[dire rose]

"[Name of the category]
High/Medium/Low relevance : word1, word2, …
Do not skip a line between relevance and the associated words.

[Prompt 1 : word1, word2, … / Originality = x1, Power = x2, Relevance to artist = x3 / Words that could be added : word1, word2, …] Do not put any / between the words. Do not do genre / instruments / ..."

oops nvm

i forgot to specify the format for songs LMAO ur right

but so yeah if anyone wants this instruction book i manually typed suit urselves

[dire rose]

what's that? i know nothing abt it

[tight spade]

ask it to output yaml text then its clean less copy past

[graceful robin]

you guys are so smart, making your work easier LMAO

[tight spade]

ask it to add certain things to your notes

ask it to ad prompts ,

Add

[dire rose]

eh i was just bored

lmao

[tight spade]

specify every thing

[dire rose]

what type of stuff can I add to my notes? i'm really curious

[dire rose]

well that makes sense but i don't rlly know how much I can specify with suno

since the ai modifies ur prompt each time anyways

[dire rose]

copy paste the yami text into the lyrics?

[tight spade]

ask chagpt what works what dosnt ask it abou ertain generas

[dire rose]

how does it work?

[tight spade]

in my format yes

[dire rose]

how does it work can you explain to me

[dire rose]

oh you can add notes? sick

well i can easily add that

hol'on lemme try rq

[dire rose]

can you include tempo in suno?

well it pretty much sorts it out automatically for me based on the ton of words i put

so i didn't rlly think abt it

[tight spade]

this has major changes to the feel of song and out put choose wisly

[dire rose]

how does this work?

oh?

wait, but is it guaranteed to account for these parameters?

[tight spade]

find out for your self , i wont say any more but iv played around with and i find it dramaticaly changes my song with the proper prompts

[dire rose]

okay but you put this in the lyrics right?

[tight spade]

yes

[dire rose]

okay

well

if it works well, then I absolutely would give this a try

[tight spade]

google all thos setting for the type of music you want it to feel like

[dire rose]

so I should structure my metadata based on this method?

i'll check a bit yeah

[tight spade]

sure

some people use <song_details>

but this works the best for me and my gens

[dire rose]

i'm surprised that suno can actually understand this well

well like

im surprised it FOLLOWS it well

nice stuff

well

i have a section for generation

if i modify that, it should work fine right?

Section 3/ The generation
1/ When I ask you to, generate 10 prompts, while using each time the following format :
[Prompt 1 : word1, word2, … / Originality = x1, Power = x2, Relevance to artist = x3 / Words that could be added : word1, word2, …] Do not put any / between the words. Do not do genre / instruments / ...
2/ The first prompt must be a « normal » song. The others can have randomly chosen parameters.
3/ For each prompt, you can add a maximum of 5 words that could be added to further enhance the prompt, or slightly modify it.

that should be interesting to modify

[untold briar]

Specifying specific keys and specific tempos will change the music, but you're probably not going to get those specific keys and tempos.

[tight spade]

hmm i dont have a generation prompt let me see it that works

[dire rose]

i'll give you my end results if you want

[tight spade]

sure

[dire rose]

it shouldn't rlly be hard

i can even give you the instructions book itself

[dire rose]

well yeah suno modifies everything a bit

also hi mr moderator

but you're confirming it'll have an impact, right?

[tight spade]

yes

[dire rose]

i'm guessing suno slightly offsets everything to obtain something coherent in the end

[untold briar]

Any word can have an impact and if you're using technical musical language that type of vocabulary as a whole probably shifts the music in a certain direction.

[dire rose]

oh wow that's interesting

can i have some examples?

of technical language that would REALLY shift the music

bpm i'm guessing?

or mesures, or whatever

[tight spade]

[note: generate: 5 versions]
[note: Song details and metadata follow]
[note: tempo: min: 60, max: 100 ]
[note: bar length: 6/8 ]
[note: tonic: Fmaj ]
...

[dire rose]

also @tight spade i have a question

[untold briar]

For example, if you use no style prompt and if you put no words in brackets, but if you write a very obvious sea shanty. Suno can still figure it out and sing the music as a sea shanty.

[tight spade]

yes

[arctic gazelle]

Anyone else use the GPT created for Suno prompting?

[dire rose]

i see that you wrote "people it should sound like" or wtv

[tight spade]

but it sound like a donky singing

[dire rose]

does that actually work

suno specifies the ai can't understand people

or smth like that

[dire rose]

mhm mhm

I kind of understand the idea yes

[untold briar]

It doesn't work in the sense that it doesn't make Suno sing more like those people. It does work in the sense that names can be understood as styles since you know, although which style it is is typically either very weak or very unpredictable.

[dire rose]

suno just gets it from the pattern and theme

more or less

[tight spade]

no

dosnt work

[dire rose]

okay so just unreliable

nice to know

[untold briar]

But as far as words to use in a prompt names are pretty far down the list I think. Evocative regular words are probably more effective.

[dire rose]

my guess is that, because suno and chatgpt are both AIs, there is something, like

context-lacking about them

which makes the communication and guess they give slightly more effective than what a regular human like me (who doesnt know that much about music) could do

which is why it actually works kind of efficiently

[arctic gazelle]

Ive had some pretty solid outcomes using a GPT

[dire rose]

i don't know if that's right but yeah

[arctic gazelle]

It bassically enables me to really narrow down what I want

[dire rose]

ok i'll go structure the format of the [note] thing

brb

[dire rose]

i can give u my instruction book if u want

[arctic gazelle]

Sure

[dire rose]

here, if you wanna read

it basically enables you to make songs with some random commands

copypaste in chatgpt and ur good to go

idk if it's really needed but i made it and i'm happy i made that lmao

[arctic gazelle]

I mean, there is a pre made GPT that is already set up, you type what you want and it spits it all out.

[dire rose]

oh LMAO

so i just kind of made it but indirectly

whats the name of that gpt?

[arctic gazelle]

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-uDARLN72f-sunoprompter

It makes the music sound "richer" with alot more dynamic elements

[tight spade]

suno helper

ask it questions

see what works what dosnt

and if you just want instrumental music don't put lyrics.

just your info for song info

puts out a nice instrumental

[dire rose]

yo if i copypaste the details

[note: Song details and metadata follow]
[note: tempo: min: 128, max: 128]
[note: tuning: Standard (EADGBE)]
[note: genres: Future Bass]
[note: styles: Energetic, Uplifting, Powerful, Male vocals]
[note: instrumentation: Synthesizers, Drum Machines, Lead Synth, Electronic Drums]

those

into the song lyrics

i leave the style blank right?

[tight spade]

yes

[dire rose]

this is just a test

alright

[tight spade]

put title tho

[dire rose]

title in note?

or just in suno

[tight spade]

no in box

[dire rose]

ye all good

[tight spade]

or you wont be able to select it lol

just peacful instrumental

[dire rose]

oh i got sum nice

[tight spade]

more like this

[dire rose]

oops

gawd daym wtf

[tight spade]

it eats you cap for text but its worth it

[dire rose]

on my side tho i don't really know what most of those will do

wait i'll try smth

[tight spade]

then you liten to the song find where its about deviate from lyrics remember time then exstend from ther

im trying to get to stricly use a male voice but 1 out of two gens will be a duett

still nice

[dire rose]

duet in suno

bros him

[tight spade]

yes him hers

hers hers

hims hims

[dire rose]

hum hum

[tight spade]

lol

[dire rose]

ima ask claude to just write it all for me rq

thanks claude

not done yet tho

now, structure all this information using the following format :

1/ parameters
for every single "note" parameter, write the following :
[note: (word): (word)]

2/ examples
for every single "note" parameter, write the following :
(word) : (every example associated to the word)

give me my magic

[tight spade]

change all thos for your own unique songs and instrumentals or stuff that will suite your music

cool man

[dire rose]

1/ Parameters:
[note: tempo: (tempo)]
[note: bar length: (bar length)]
[note: tonic: (tonic)]
[note: tuning: (tuning)]
[note: genres: (genres)]
[note: sounds-like: (sounds-like)]
[note: styles: (styles)]
[note: moods: (moods)]
[note: arrangements: (arrangements)]
[note: instrumentation: (instrumentation)]
[note: production: (production)]
[note: structure: (structure)]
[note: dynamics: (dynamics)]
[note: emotions: (emotions)]
[note: chords: (chords)]
[note: Vocals: (Vocals)]
[note: Vocal prompts: (Vocal prompts)]
2/ Examples:
tempo: min: 60, max: 100
bar length: 6/8
tonic: Fmaj
tuning: Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb, 440Hz
genres: Ballad, Pop, Soul, R&B, Contemporary Adult Pop
sounds-like: Male vocals, Sam Smith
styles: Male Singer, Emotional, Atmospheric, Soaring
moods: Hopeful Longing, Unwavering Resilience, Empowering Transformation, Joyful Celebration, Soaring Triumph
arrangements: Soaring, Storytelling, Cinematic, Textured, Clean Instrumental, Supportive
instrumentation: Cello, N Electric Guitar, Drums, Piano
production: Crisp T tones, Warmth, Rich Reverb, Complex Layering, High-Quality Recording, Dolby Surround
structure: Intro, Instrumental, Verse 1, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Verse 2, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Bridge, Chorus, Outro
dynamics: Smooth Transitions, Emotional Builds and Releases, Powerful Verses, Explosive Choruses
emotions: Deep Longing, Heartfelt Connection, Resilient Strength, Empowering Transformation, Joyful Celebration
chords: Amaj, Emaj, F#m, Dmaj, Bm7, E, Fm, Bb, Eb/G, Abmaj7, Gmaj, D/F#, Em, Cmaj
Vocals: Only male vocals. Vocals should be rich and emotive, ranging from soft and gentle to powerful and soaring.
Vocal prompts: soft and gentle, building intensity, powerful and soaring, gentle and reflective, uplifting, triumphant, reflective, fading out

copy pasting time lmao

[tight spade]

lol have fun i use note++

when i have to edit so much text its a breeze

[dire rose]

idk how to use it but

eh

i can do my job still kinda

alr it works but

how do i write in this format you wrote in earlier

[tight spade]

note: tempo: (tempo)]
[note: bar length: (bar length)]
[note: tonic: (tonic)]
[note: tuning: (tuning)]
[note: genres: (genres)]
[note: sounds-like: (sounds-like)]
[note: styles: (styles)]
[note: moods: (moods)]
[note: arrangements: (arrangements)]
[note: instrumentation: (instrumentation)]
[note: production: (production)]
[note: structure: (structure)]
[note: dynamics: (dynamics)]
[note: emotions: (emotions)]
[note: chords: (chords)]
[note: Vocals: (Vocals)]
[note: Vocal prompts: (Vocal prompts)]

thats the format ask it to imput what you wrote in to those fields

its smart it will do it

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i did already

it works

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nice

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only problem is

it fkin writes the lyrics in formatting as well

help

oh nvm i figured it out

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tempo is wrong

min: max:

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oh its min max

right

there

now lemme try to add lyrics

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tuning is very important

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what does it do?

tf

dw

i can see deleted messages

lemme read

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woodhouse is way too strict help

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lol its ok

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alr i incorporated them correctly

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even the 440hz changing that will change your songs tone draticly

cant spell lol

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when i ask for hz, it spits out hz for every single note of a specific tuning

how do you come to the conclusion of having 440hz?

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research it generas will have difrent tunings

like for instant

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nvm

it's what A4 is set to

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yeah i got it all

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i also included potential lyrics for each generation

but it doesnt write em in markdown

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example

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mfer not writing in markdown

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ask it oto

to

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i did

didn't work

LMAO

leme try to modify smth

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ask it to out put to scss

then tell it to remove bulletpoints

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alright

bet

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then tell it to add [note : to meta or prompts at start

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what is it for?