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charred merlin
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Sad? Don’t you mean `YOU’RE SO ANGRY RIGHT NOWWW’ 😛

sweet wigeon
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My suggestion when you create Baroque music, specify technique or instruments of your favourite composer. I love Bach, but I'm not sure if I am allowed to write Bach into style tags or song name.

charred merlin
radiant warren
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Thanks for the answers so far. I was pretty sure that the things I was asking was asking too much of suno, but it's better to ask cause there are so many people out there with tips/tricks you know. I'm gonna sit down and search/read through this channel cause some of my questions have surely been discussed before loads of times.

sweet wigeon
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Did you noticed that if you have long lyrics per line, it will not sound good? But try Bossa Nova it will change everything because Bossa nova is more suitable for long lyrics. But they fit to sad or relaxing mood. So if your lyrics is long maybe some telling style like Bossa nova could be used. Otherwise to make some lyrics optimization.

charred merlin
# radiant warren Thanks for the answers so far. I was pretty sure that the things I was asking wa...

I realize this is going to sound wildly dismissive of a lot of very reasonable and sensible questions and frustrations.

The VAST majority of times that Suno doesn’t follow what people say it’s because incorrect expectations had been set about the resulting songs.

Doesn’t mean that Suno can’t make ASTOUNDING one-shots, but breaking things down into chunks by taking the songs you like, then using the extend function to “overwrite” the parts you don’t like.

I linked to my pool party thread in my above comment, I try to put helpful stuff in there (though admittedly I haven’t had as much of a chance to “beef it up” yet)

naive quail
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I've probably done at least that many tests 😄

charred merlin
naive quail
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I didn't get my sneeze... but suno did literally laugh at it, at least

alpine venture
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which I 've used a lot

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In general, baroque is a useful tool because its basically the "best" in terms of non-stochastic tokens. Baroque is essentially "what's the correct next note" from most people's ears, imo, and on continuations if you include elements of it, especially if its going too far off base, it can be great

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in terms of keeping it in a good composition

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and pulling everything together

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in a sensiscal way

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anyway, this is cool af

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maybe one of the coolest I've seen on suno

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is this a genre?

untold briar
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Classical terms like baroque are very strong and often super fun in any genre of music, for sure. I need to expand my vocabulary of them.

alpine venture
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@cyan obsidian ah there you are

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is this a genre?

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It's amazing

alpine venture
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so you can do things like post-barbar

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to get interesting progressions

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the roque imo is what holds the more weight towards classical instrumentation

untold briar
alpine venture
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ok crunkcore

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I gotta make that wow

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the crappy drum machine

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in the back

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I want it to progress into trad classical tho

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I think it would improve it

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but I'll work it

open sleet
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@desert cipher

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cursed that is

desert cipher
# alpine venture ok crunkcore

crunkcore is actually the wrong genre, rather what i did to get those cursed spicy vocals was that i put robotic autotune

vernal reef
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hey I can't find the lyrics tab after playing the song anymore, is it removed?

desert cipher
untold briar
untold briar
vernal reef
charred merlin
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Amazing answers above, not intending to supersede the previous suggestions, but just to contribute to the existing answers;

1- What is the best way to write meta tags? - using anything more than 3 words in a [metatag] seems to be related to instances of it being misinterpreted as lyrics. I usually use 2~3 words separatd by hyphens to "tokenize" them as a single concept instead of being parsed as 2 separate words. https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer (this is a research tool for visualizing how an AI "reads" your prompt, you still need to put in comparative and contrasting research as followup to your observations to gain an understanding)

2- In what order does suno read and use meta tags? "Prompt Order" - is on my list of topics to create Prompt Experiment Playlists for, #1256301881966198805 if you wanted to suggest different "prompt snippets" for me to post so you don't need to waste your credits on getting familiarized with things. Beyond that I haven't experimented too much with it, but Jon Fly knows his stuff, so I'll keep his words in the back of my mind as I experiment with that.

3- Is it better to use a short prompt with few genres - In my opinion, it's helpful to build familiarity with a small number of style prompts, that way you have a relatively good idea of what sorts of outputs you can expect from a particular prompt -- it won't make ALL of Suno make sense, but getting as firm of an understanding about ANYTHING gives you a foothold to understand how similar variations in lyrics/metatags/styles can drastically change the output. For instance, I usually use "indie math-rock" as a base for my songs ("math-rock" tokenizes the same with or without the hyphen, but I just prefer the way the prompt-decoration looks). If I want to "calm down" the wild guitar, I add thematic prompt words, like indie math-rock, sleepy, winter, dreaming -- and when listening to the resulting tracks, I try to apply the lessons from Music Appreciation class and try to recognize how these results differed from "indie math-rock" by itself. This helps me understand different ways that Suno understands my requests, and if I feel like one of the prompts is too strongly weighted, or not weighted strongly enough, I can play around with it until I find an adjective-prompt that suits me best. Classical musical terminology is VERY strongly weighted, while more "colloquial" terms might be misinterpreted.

4- : Is there any way to state how long a song part should be - Not specifically through prompting, but you can always place an extension point anywhere in a song to try to "rewind to that point" and continue the song where you wanted it to go -- if a solo is going on for too long, or doesn't go long enough, place an extension point a tiny bit before the part where you want something to change, and embrace how ridiculously overpowered Extensions are 💪

5- Is there a way to force it to use a specified vocal melody - Not 100% reliably through prompting, but there's a lot of really neat methods and quirks people are discovering, but audio upload is a super powerful tool for ensuring you have exact control over the context input used when generating extensions -- if you reupload your own content from Suno with adjustments made, you can turn Suno into a Musical Ouroboros.

6- can you manually insert pauses - The best way I've seen this handled is through natural language processing like you're suggesting, the pool party thread above has examples of using "commands" to try to insert spaces, vs just "typing the spaces out" with punctuation or whitespace. (latter works better)

7- any way to reliably get rock drums - Hrm. That's actually a good one. I know some people have been focused enough to try to recreate specific electric piano tones, so I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not sure of a good example to reference off the top of my head...

open sleet
untold briar
# desert cipher crunkcore is actually the wrong genre, rather what i did to get those cursed spi...

BTW for robotic voices, if you prompt an chunky electronic instrumental, you often get some sick autotune-robotic-vocoder vibes by default even without explicitly propmting for them. This was started from the "lyrics as instrumental melody guidance" example as I posted above. A large amount of the extensions from the pure instrumental were robot voices, just from the audio itself:
https://suno.com/song/9f35c0ae-bd30-4d07-a5a8-2622376aa0b9

London Synths Smoke All Night, My Fair Lady by @jonathanfly | Suno

FM synthesis, Wavetable synthesis, MPC-X, Sampling, Sad Trombone, non-music, field recording, audio engineering song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
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btw you might style prompts in my songs like "FM synthesis, FM-synthesis, FM synthesis FM synthesis, FM-synthesis-FM-synthesis." This isn't done to achieve a specific music effect. Probably some of those versions are not helpful. But I'm just hedging my bets by shotgunning a bunch of variations to save time and credits, when I'm just being lazy or prompting for pure fun.

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I do like teasing out precise prompts, but sometimes I just want to make music 😄

naive quail
untold briar
violet mesa
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We've finally stems, but.. why they use AI to separate the track?? Holy sh.. it sounds even worse than before. Instrument track all with bleeding, but vocals are just awful 😖... that's needs heavy improvements

naive quail
untold briar
charred merlin
charred merlin
naive quail
naive quail
charred merlin
# naive quail Yea, that's pure Suno. The rain and thunder is v3. I think part1 was only up to ...

There was someone trying to replicate the weather noise and it didn't work out for them -- I wonder what all they used as lyrics/metatags/styles, as your example largely focused on the weather as a separate "instrument", whereas trying to reliably get that at the same time as a guitar solo might cause it to be diffused as a bass rumble or something, unless the weather was continued from an extension -- just thinking off the cuff on how I'd try to blend those sounds

naive quail
charred merlin
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Are you able to point out specific timestamps in the songs where the difference is most notably audible? I haven't had coffee yet, so I'm not fully awake

naive quail
violet mesa
vestal rapids
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I don't know why they called it Stems, it's not

naive quail
charred merlin
vestal rapids
naive quail
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Yea. I think Vocal Separator would have been a better name for the current iteration.

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most users have no idea what stems are and many of the ones who do have completely different expectations.

violet mesa
charred merlin
violet mesa
untold briar
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The wavs are linked just to provide the highest quality example, right? The problem isn't that the wav versions sound different than the .mp3 or mp4. Rather it's the 'Get Whole Version' that is different?

charred merlin
charred merlin
# violet mesa Well... it's a bad result..lol....

It doesn't fit OUR use cases, especially as we have preferred external tools -- but to the grandmother who finally has the chance to "karaoke" the song she made for her granddaughter?

To me, enabling that kind of interaction for millions of people who DON'T have the technical knowhow or means to use an external DAW, this is a really great feature. I'm excited to see how the quality improves, but as I'm sure will be pointed out -- you'll probably always get a better result using special, optimized software and tools.

violet mesa
untold briar
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In the past when I downloaded single clips from suno, if i stitched them manually, the audio wasn't as smoothly merged as when Suno does Get Whole Song (tiny bit of clipping, or the volume levels didn't quite match, stuff like that). If I had to guess, Get Whole Song is doing something that isn't quite the same as stitching the raw audio. Probably it is supposed to be better than just stitching (and usually is?). So it might be working as intended, and just happen to change things in a not-great way in this particular case. But in the past there for sure have been some little audio quality bugs related to Get Whole Song, often very subtle, so a bug is very possible too.

So basically I don't know. Keep posting good any examples you notice. @unique stone has done some in depth testing on this in the past and may have some idea too. (I also have trouble hearing the difference in your clips on my regular non professional headphones!)

charred merlin
untold briar
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I do have a headphone amp somewhere around here, and fancy headphones, but it might just be my ears honestly 😂

violet mesa
charred merlin
untold briar
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Get Whole Song will also audible clip with mismatched versions, though only commonly with V2. (I still mix in V2 to my songs anyway though, it also can be fine.)

unique stone
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Are these 2 WAV files the clip and the "get full song" result?

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At what point are you finding it sounds different?

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(e.g. timestamp)

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I've taken ~15 seconds from within that time range from both clips. Roughly (but not exactly) half of this is from one WAV, the other part is from the other. Do you notice where it starts to get worse?

naive quail
unique stone
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Here is also the left channels of both WAVs, where I have panned one of them to the right. If they are the same, it should sound like it is 100% mono.

naive quail
unique stone
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And here's the first WAV, with the second WAV inverted on the next track. This means you will only hear the differences between the two tracks. If there are no differences, there will be no sound.

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To demonstrate this further, here's what a part toward the end (last extension I guess?) sounds like using this same method. Notice there is silence, and then suddenly the sound comes in - that'll likely be where the extension started.

charred merlin
# naive quail ...prompt noise does help to extend The Thundarz <https://suno.com/song/32204fb1...

@delicate idol is gonna kill me for continuing to use SD art of her as the playlist covers, but this is some good science.

I extended from that track @ 0:20

You'll like v3.5 -- v3 did a good enough job, only started to improvise in the second half of track 2, but since v3.5 didn't have a strong musical context to hook onto, it kinda did what it thought it was supposed to do.

Which is exactly what I was hoping it would do earlier 😄

unique stone
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Yeah they are identical except for the part at the end where the extension has been added.
I put both into Audacity on separate tracks. The only thing I did was select the second track, and use "Effect > Special > Invert" on it. No gain adjustment.

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Here's the waveform for the part of the two WAVs during the timestamp you gave me

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naive quail
charred merlin
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In @graceful condor's defense, there have been instances where I 100%-stake-my-life-on-it that the audio when listening to part 1 and part 2 in the library/create screen, part 2 was notably "softer" in terms of gain and volume (at least in that particular instance), but it always came out clean when I would "Get Whole Song".

Not overly trying to mediate, but I somehow find myself torn between both sides; I'm not able to discern a difference as I said earlier, and I value the hamster's opinion a significant deal, BUT I have my own experiential bias, and while I'm not able to track down an example of it conclusively right now, I'm a firm believer.

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It's like me and ghosts.

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Like, I know every new type of "modern science" has done EVERYTHING to try to figure this stuff out, and no matter how much I see it proven that it's quackery -- I dunno man.

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Like, I've heard it. So I know that it's out there... someway somehow. I'll pass ghost stories around a campfire, but if the resulting song is 👌 perfect by waveform analysis, that's all that matters, right? 🍻

unique stone
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I just tried amplifying that inverted clip to the maximum amount I could with Audacity - it is totally silent

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If there is a difference between the two, it has to be something outside of Suno.

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(When amplifying the above in Audacity it told me the new gain would be "-infinite dB" because there is no sound)

naive quail
weary wharf
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Are lyrics in the videos no longer synced with the music?

I just regenerated a video when I changed the cover art, and I saw that in the video lyrics are coming behind.

charred merlin
weary wharf
charred merlin
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It's how you set up Apple Music's synced lyrics with DistroKid

weary wharf
pine island
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hi! anyone that have used suno to remix a speaking vocal? is it possible with upload function?

weary wharf
tardy coral
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I tried the stem feature, but I am getting better results using spectral layers. Cool feature though once it works well

charred merlin
# pine island hi! anyone that have used suno to remix a speaking vocal? is it possible with up...

There's been a lot of instances where people have sung their own vocals, and then Suno was able to recall and continue a similar waveform pattern, so it more or less captured the intonation and timbre of the voice, but I just did a few experiments to see if it could "understand" and continue spoken word. I tried the opening paragraphs of Asimov's "The Last Question", and it's pretty funny when the vocal upload ends (~1:00) and it tries to continue my voice before just giving up and moving onto something that actually sounds like music. https://suno.com/song/fafa0cc2-21ec-44a0-893a-63d5630a0d31 "a face. a frace."

As a bonus, I tried extending directly from an inflection point ~0:33, and my browser's autosuggest gave me the most ridiculous scat-improvisations after I typed "skibbidy bop", and it turned out way funnier to me than I expected https://suno.com/song/4bf75bb1-a47a-468d-82c2-493050dd0fb0

weary wharf
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Rooty booty patootootootootootootootootoot... So jazzy...

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Maybe you can add a tag to force spoken.

charred merlin
# tardy coral I tried the stem feature, but I am getting better results using spectral layers....

Oh man, I've heard Spectralayers Pro 11 is AMAZING. Admittedly, that's a product that specializes in spectral analysis and stem isolation -- while I agree that the Stems / Vocal Separator feature in Suno has lots of room for improvement, but think of how AMAZING it must feel to people who aren't as tech-savvy as us -- I'd have a much easier time teaching my mom how to "get stems" from Suno than I would even teaching her how to install a DAW 🤣 ❤️

charred merlin
charred merlin
weary wharf
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Spectralayers Pro 11 IS amazing. The output in most cases is really clean. The "extreme" option takes too long.
I hope Suno can generate the stems from the start in the near future, so instruments do not mix up. That would be amazing also.

charred merlin
# tardy coral I tried the stem feature, but I am getting better results using spectral layers....

@weary wharf ...is it difficult to learn? I know that people recommend those kinds of tools for getting really specific with the stem isolation -- I think Toker mentioned that he uses it to remove his cat meowing for attention in the background 😾

Any opinions on whether it would work as well on a really "full" sounding electronica song, or if it more excels at clearly-distinguishable instruments/vox? If I recall @teal raft was saying his songs are particularly "lush" and wasn't sure how well the process would apply.

weary wharf
# charred merlin <@623966560490487849> ...is it difficult to learn? I know that people recommend ...

I am using mostly Izotope as I got used to it too much.
Spectra does the same things, but tool names and UI is too different. For stem seperation it's great.

Yes it's possible to do amazing things.
In a song Suno generated, it put someone whistling, but the rest was really good, I did not want to re-generate and try to mix.
So I cleaned the whistle in Izotope. Select the visible line, and let it find the harmonics, adjust gain or let it analyze and "fill" checking the surroundings of the sound.

You are working on the spectrogram. Think of it like Photoshop for audio. You can do impressive stuff.

I also use it for cleaning the noise. You can select specific "areas" not just complete top-down. And clean the vocals in a final mixed audio.

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Guitar picks, piano pedal noises, breaths, esses... You can clean a lot.

mystic flume
mystic flume
vestal rapids
charred merlin
naive quail
charred merlin
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😾🖕

weary wharf
# charred merlin > Photoshop for audio That was my interpretation of it, but it seemed too wildly...

It's not like working on waveform. Waveform is the audio signal. It's just a "gain" representation of the complete underlying sound.

Spectrogram is a frequency/time space. You can see "voice" -- check fast fourier transform for better understanding of what it is.
In there you can see the "voice" where it is in the frequency space, and clean. It will result a change on the waveform, but it is not changing the gain.

mystic flume
sage acorn
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VOICE COLOR:

I would like the voices in the songs to have an ID so that you can use the same voice color again in another song.

charred merlin
sage acorn
charred merlin
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As far as I know it, they look at how popular each suggestion is when trying to decide what to work on next, so if you think an idea is cool, toss it an upvote -- if you really want to see it, you can do what I do & save/copy the link to share whenever people ask for these things (it's like I'm recruiting a small army of musicians to sign a very friendly petitions 😛 )

sage acorn
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Sounds good, love it. 👌

alpine venture
teal raft
alpine venture
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looooots of copium

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like, even if all of it slows down at some point

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it's already blown past everything people thought possible just a decade ago

teal raft
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Even in the space of a year

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When image generative stuff started popping out people were going "lol cute toy"

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then it got better
"well it's nice but it could never X"

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got closer
"heh I can tell"

alpine venture
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yea, but in particular, if you spoke to someone ten years ago and showed them ai now they would freak tf out

teal raft
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then it passed the line
"RAGAHGAHGHAGHAG BURN IT ALL DOWN"

alpine venture
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it's as big of a deal as the internet

teal raft
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5 years ago

alpine venture
teal raft
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I still think an aspect of this
is that people don't like that we aren't all that complicated with our arts

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some nice colors in a general formula

alpine venture
teal raft
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an existential crisis of deep magnitude

alpine venture
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I think that's the social component I don't understand

teal raft
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No, we aren't

alpine venture
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the "mystique"

teal raft
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The difference is I am cool with that

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others are not

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is it good enough? Yeah? Great!

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I can get into the specifics but that's shifting toward the people making this stuff

alpine venture
teal raft
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or deeper meanings that infest art like so many fleas

alpine venture
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and like, it has

teal raft
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It can yeah

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Because the person behind it has better paint brushes

alpine venture
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like, the expectations for what wows me

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have exploded

teal raft
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better lathes

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Yeeeeaaa

alpine venture
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and also it's easier, so more artists

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which is the real multiplier

lilac garden
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Is there a degradation in quality if u workout of the vocal and instrumental stems and export those fully? Or u need to workout of the stems + the full song and only touch those partsu need to edit.

charred merlin
violet mesa
charred merlin
# lilac garden Is there a degradation in quality if u workout of the vocal and instrumental ste...

Stem Separation isn't 100% perfect as it currently exists -- if you have detailed feedback about what you think they should do better, it's most effective to give the team direct feedback through the link in #🚀┃updates message this post

If you have specific expectations, or if you're familiar with other stem separation methods, they might be more optimized -- but as they said, this is V1 of stem separation.

charred merlin
lilac garden
violet mesa
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I've been making music since the 80s... but when I tried Suno for the first time, my face was like ,, WTF " 🤣. I'm a big fan of science and technology, and I work as a composer and sfx artist for a game studio. I don't use the songs I produce in Suno for the company I work for, only for myself, and to try out how far AI has come. And Holy cow.... 😱

Like I said before, with a premium service, perfect stems, and a perfect voice without artifacts, Suno would be a perfect tool for professionals. And you can always swap the AI singer for a real one. But at least you've got an idea of what the final song could be. #music #technology #AI #Suno #composer

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I put meta tags between lyrics like (choir ) . And styles . Works 65% .. and not every time

tepid lion
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My song got cut off before ending, can I extend it to finish properly, with the style intact?

violet mesa
tepid lion
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Does it create a longer “full version” or just an added part?

violet mesa
tepid lion
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Ah I see, thanks! 🙏🏻

hollow hare
tepid lion
charred merlin
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🅿️ 🅰️ℹ️Ⓜ️💟♑
robot_couple

still isle
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oooh what has happened? you cant make a song annymore without verses getting shuffled arround and repeated again and again?

hollow hare
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charred merlin
still isle
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ok ty il do that. but it was not nessesary before though

charred merlin
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Can you share the song you're working on and we can try to figure what might be happening?

still isle
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it also alteres the end rime some places

charred merlin
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To make it easier, can you share the timestamp where it starts to "not listen" or repeat?

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1:20, etc

little flower
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When is tzhe next suno version coming out? Have been unfaithful and made my last EP with udio, which needed a lot of attention in mixing/mastering afterwards as they have tons of hurtful frequencies, but overall its next level. can't wait for sunos answer, hope soon! 🙂

still isle
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you see it on the lyrics when it starts to not follow it 😛 but i will check out the link and see if i can do something about it

safe hazel
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What happened to the workflow section? There was a post there about why the repetition in verses happens and I wanted to check it out again. (In one of my generations each of the two songs repeated a verse at the same point during the pre chorus, so there has t obe something happening in the way im setting stuff up)

hollow hare
safe hazel
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Thanks for the link, i dont know why but it isnt showing up for me

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hollow hare
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Hmm, looks like it may have been accidentally removed from your list. You can click Browse Channels at the very top and include the channel in again

safe hazel
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oh, thanks, i just fixed it

charred merlin
stray peak
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Hi

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I am new

hollow hare
flint havenBOT
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How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

stray peak
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Oh nice

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I surrreee will

little flower
charred merlin
safe hazel
charred merlin
hollow hare
charred merlin
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... I swear you were just Paimon like 2 minutes ago.

hollow hare
fallen zephyr
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any tricks / ideas to generate only melodies excluding the percussions / rhythm

charred merlin
charred merlin
hollow hare
fallen zephyr
alpine venture
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ooooh what a voice

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beautiful

alpine venture
charred merlin
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He's the reason I refer to Suno as a robot -- the "anthropo-cyber-morphism" keeps me grounded to the fact that Suno is literal science fiction magic.
robot_magic

cedar oxide
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none of the speed commands work

bold crane
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Hello, I have a problem. I can no longer send messages in the Suno Showcase text channel...

vestal rapids
bold crane
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ah.. why ?

vestal rapids
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spam reduction

bold crane
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oki

naive quail
# cedar oxide none of the speed commands work

There aren't any actual speed commands. People have had varying degrees of success using different styles and tags in an attempt to control the tempo, but Suno's gonna do what Suno's gonna do. K_cry

charred merlin
still isle
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we need a negative prompt on this 😛 Negative prompt: No repeating verses , no altering lyrics 😛

charred merlin
viral moss
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How much of a difference have you noticed writing in ALL CAPS makes? For certain words or segments of a song?
I've found if the entire song is all caps, it doesn't make a difference. But it can work about as well as exclamation marks where you want

hollow steppe
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is possible to specify voice genres or is completely random?

undone depot
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Like "Jazz Vocals"?

hollow hare
# hollow steppe is possible to specify voice genres or is completely random?

You can influence the voice by giving a gender and generally describing the emotion or feel you want.

Though, mind you, some words have less power than others. Male is weaker than female (#📚┃suno-school message) but you are likely to get a male voice if you included some musical terms like low baritone.

In addition, repeating words (with commas) can add weight. Adding a comma treats all set keywords (between commas) with almost equal weight. Also the earlier the keywords, the more priority it will likely have

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And genre is very influential. If you are having an issue because of that, try to pick a specific subgenre for the style you want (I like using https://rateyourmusic.com/genres)

safe hazel
naive quail
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Tho I do feel like exclamation marks or uppercase words at the end of the last line in a section can (sometimes) make a difference.

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taht gunshot was clearly a misfire. K_grin

viral moss
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Very good test, thank you for that

naive quail
safe hazel
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I would think that would make it sing those words as background vocals. Silly robot so inconsistant

naive quail
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nope, it was *gunshot*

viral moss
naive quail
true palm
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Hi, I got a question

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I logged in with my account on one way, then I later on logged in with my mobilenr because I forgot how I logged in previously, and now I cannot add my mobilenr in the account I am actually using since it's used in the new duplicate account. So how can I get in touch with someone that deletes the duplicate account so that I can add the mobilenr in my correct account?

viral lotus
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I appreciate all of your posts, eventually i'm going to go back through this gold mine of a thread and study many of your and others' replies. I'm not entirely sure that your experiments "prove" that artist names are not taken into account, but i am certainly extremely skeptical about that and currently do not believe that they do. However, if you combine the artist name with genres that they may use, i would think that you would get better results (if it works at all). It's possible that the artist name is more related to the vocals than the actual instrumentation, so as to require lyrics. Doubtful, but possible. But then the problem becomes that since you are generating songs in their genre anyway, a portion of the vocals will sound remotely like that artist by default.

sweet wigeon
# sage acorn VOICE COLOR: I would like the voices in the songs to have an ID so that you can...

#💡┃suggestions-web #📚┃suno-school Dude, this is not possible with generative AI. But we could get close to what you need, if Suno would publish a tool, where you'd select your prefered voice based on some basic characteristics. Then you'll get list of voices with showcase, where you will play the sample and you will select one. This would 1) saved the description of the characteristics to the server to a temporal file so you can use it again. The meta file could be save like 24 hours on the server. 2) You could view the basic description and copy it, save it to your local storage and then use later to copy/paste as a prompt for vocals. As I have suggested advanced settings and tools recently.

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@charred merlin Would it be so hard to include a trim function in suno so that we can cut off our songs at an exact point without having to go through trying to generate endings? Many of the songs that i create have great ending points but then of course suno starts back up again and just keeps going on and on and on.

viral moss
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Has anyone else experienced the singers ability to pronounce fairly simple words is really bad, if your song is very lyric heavy and long?
In a single 4 minute generation, without extending it, he couldn't pronounce Chisel, Saline, Yeast...

hollow hare
hollow hare
hollow hare
# viral lotus <@1000423568376610958> Would it be so hard to include a trim function in suno so...

You can suggest such a feature at #💡┃suggestions-web - I certainly will update for a trimming feature.

In the mean time, to forcefully stop at a position in Suno without using external tools, you can:

How do I end a song in Suno 3.5?

Extend where you want to end with the new extension set to either v2.0 or v3.0 when using ending tags (e.g. [end] in lyric box and "end, short" as the style tag) as they are much more reliable for ending than 3.5.

(Short to help end it quickly in hope for credit refund)

viral moss
viral lotus
viral moss
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Does Suno take bug reports into consideration for token refunding? If a generation is complete bogus?

true palm
viral lotus
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@charred merlin Another problem i have is adding songs to playlists on android. I seemed to have no problem on pc, but when i add them on android, my first attempt for each song always receives the response "0 clips added to playlist xxx." It usually but not always works on the second attempt.

viral lotus
true palm
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How do I do that

viral lotus
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Hold on i will find the email

hollow hare
true palm
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Thanks 🙂

viral lotus
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Yeah that's the one

viral moss
charred merlin
celest ether
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I was looking at the polls... I didn't see one crucial part mentioned that I figured I'd throw in here:

  1. I would absolutely LOVE to be able to upload an audio and assign it for chorus specifically and upload a seperate audio file for verse. Could also be that I could upload an audio file and describe its purpose in a prompt, how it should be used. [for melody] or ... [intro only] or whatever.

  2. I would also love to be able to upload a file only as melodic inspiration (not the sound itself). For instance, I have a melody in my head that I'm humming... if I hum it and record it, I don't want to hear anything close to my voice return. I want an epic orchestra based on that melody, from scratch. So not relaly "an extension" but a new song from scratch that uses the melody in ways that are based on the prompt only.

viral moss
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edgy owl
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I noticed on the app for iPhone. It says you can upload a melody that you hum, or you can sing some lyrics and generate a song based off of that. However, when I try that the create button never activates, it never gets enabled so I can never actually do it.

edgy owl
fallen zephyr
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I could notice that in basic (free) plan, the old generated tracks are getting hidden and am not able to see those in my libraries. Will that be accessible if i go with paid subscription now?

hollow hare
# fallen zephyr I could notice that in basic (free) plan, the old generated tracks are getting h...

The Create screen only has so much space. (The Create listing usually hides down voted pieces too)

To view your older tracks, you need to go to your library and use the pagination button.

I do not know how that looks like on the iOS app, but on the website, it is generally near the top right
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1102676217687195679/1229796986803195965/Screenshot_20240411_155649.jpg

scarlet mica
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I just found out that, if you put "clear vocals" as one of the tags when creating a song, it will actually have the vocals be audible and understandable.
For so long, I thought that everything "metal" was just absolutely shucked, and good for nothing.

hollow hare
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I agree, clear [male/female] vocals are a godsend prompt most of the time

scarlet mica
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I can't figure out how to get a reliable multi-person set of vocals though. Does anyone know how?

hollow hare
fallen zephyr
hollow hare
# scarlet mica I can't figure out how to get a reliable multi-person set of vocals though. Does...

Lots of people tried and there were various successes.

Some people say they had good luck using male/female sounding names (but it could easily be a placebo).

I had relatively good success by using a secondary tag but I tried it with just hip hop, Memphis rap, and acoustics. When I tried with Soul Blues, it did not work out.

My tests:

hollow hare
# fallen zephyr Hey, thank you so much! So after going with paid subscription, can I own the cop...

With a paid subscription, you are granted a commercial license by Suno for only songs generated by you during the paid plan for perpetually which means you can use it commercially.

This does not mean it is copyrighted though, you would need to register that with your intellectual property office (e.g. USA copyright office).

In USA, currently any components generated by AI as-is cannot be eligible for registration (thus protection) of copyright.

This means that the songs generated as-is cannot be registered BUT your lyrics, rearrangement, mastering process, etc. can be registered as it has sufficient human intervention.

(I talk more about that at #📚┃suno-school message)

Additionally:

viral moss
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#🐣┃suno-showcase message 5 likes, 5 plays, and it's already on trending.
No shade towards the guy, the songs good, but how the hell does that work

fallen zephyr
hollow hare
tight spade
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if you wannt cord in your song

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<SONG_DETAILS> [KEY: D major]
[Chords: Aₘ,F,C,Aₘ
<SONG_DETAILS>

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put in top of lyrics

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change cords to what ever

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works,,

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why

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jaw kee

teal raft
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It's because it doesn't work like that. It will do something but Suno does not follow instructions.

tight spade
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it does

teal raft
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deep sigh

tight spade
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show me

teal raft
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No, you show me

unique stone
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I'd be interested in seeing a couple of example songs where this works

dim glacier
tight spade
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ok. i will

teal raft
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I'm fully expecting the chords and keys to not line up with what you are asking for

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you will have 'a' chord and 'a' key

small parrot
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I accidentally deleted the song into the trash can, but I can't find it in the trash can. How should I get it back? In addition, can the trash can be set to the first one instead of the last one?

tight spade
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just waiting on second gen

unique stone
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Can you highlight a part that uses those chords

tight spade
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give me a min

unique stone
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Second one seems to be mainly Emaj, Bmaj, C#min

tight spade
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just try to analyze and print

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trying

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all newto me

unique stone
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Are you saying you don't know whether it is actually giving you the chords you told us it was giving you?

dim glacier
tight spade
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it supposed to go in front

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of a word

dim glacier
tight spade
unique stone
naive quail
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braces for the emoji rickroll

unique stone
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also wow i forgot about the end part

tiny tangle
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Out of curiosity, will there be a facility in the future to re-do a part of the song that doesn't mean the rest of the song after that point gets replaced?

For example, I have an absolute flawless banger from about 35 seconds to the end, but the vocals at the beginning are a bit shaky.
Is there scope for a function that allows those first 35 seconds to be re-done, whilst retaining the rest of the song as-is?

viral moss
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I've also tried pasting in guitar tablature, and a surprising amount of the results were very similar.

But then the singer started saying ZERO ZERO TWO TREE ZERO ZERO

tight spade
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i had to re gen the last song it was bugged out

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im kinda hard at hearing 17 years in construction so this has helped me see

sharp kettle
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(autism style writing warning)
1: Love Suno. I know have beats of 10 of my songs.(always running out creds, not enough money for pro though)
2; I know Suno has almost all the the chords and notes recorded

  1. i need advice on the prompts. I'm a drummer type/ harmonic vocal type:

but i want to keep the songs in certain genre and bpm per minute
some of the styles have not been yielding great results

for example i have 2 songs which it won't generate the right beat.

1 is a very emotional operatic style of song
the other is Exoctic Dance song with three varients.

but i was wondering how to do prompt style to include certain chords
or do certain instrumental breaks

tight spade
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click the pinned messages in this chat theres alot of info there

sharp kettle
# tight spade click the pinned messages in this chat theres alot of info there

did the autism writing warning notice not give you the hint i already did all that xshmecHaha
and im still having issues
I will make an example of such a song. using this help request 😂

[Instrumental Interlude: Dance Rock : Drumbeat and Bass Guitar]

followed by another line of text
that makes up the exoctic dance beat
and the rest of the song
followed by a

[Instrumental Interlude: Dance Rock : Drumbeat]

which leads to a dance
song warning. followed by a outro chorus
and

[Short Instrumental Outro: Drumbeat and Bass Guitar]

MORE NOTES:
But i am trying to get chords and notes from
a very specific Rhythm and chords( electrical acoustic) for a exotic dance from the Elvis Presley Era main in 1960- 1970's

this was the style, prompt after following all the instructions
and it still isnt generating the beat lol(maybe suno is just missing the chords and notes)

1960's Rock & Roll, Baritone, Dance Rock, 140bpm,
Seductive, Exotic, Male vocals

also note i remove the vocals after in audacity's (so sumtimes the suno instrumenals have to be clipped and re cut in to the actual songxshmecHaha )
since trying to do 60 second vocal beat match doesnt always work correctly xshmecHaha
im more or less looking for corrections/ tips,

tight spade
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mind if i have i go at it with your lyrics

safe hazel
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There is no way currently to prompt for speicifc chords and specific BPM

teal raft
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Suno is more ~vibes~ than precision

opaque holly
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how do i get my songs to have a female vs male voice? anytime i put female voice or female vocalist i still is a gamble if i get male or female

sharp kettle
# teal raft Suno is more ~vibes~ than precision

That Why i remix, but i need some decent vibe beats to work withxshmecHaha The BPM tag usally generates songs within 3-6 beats of it. but some time the genre messes the rhythm up. like it will throw a guitar solo or quick riff in the middle of an exotic dance song pssah

sharp kettle
restive sage
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what tag to use if we want a song to be fast rap

mystic flume
mystic flume
restive sage
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nope

sinful merlin
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ooops

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wrong one

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Xcuse me it's 1 AM

radiant warren
frigid furnace
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Unauthorized Account Usage and Login Issues
It appears that someone is using my email address to access an account I did not sign up for and with an email I did not use. The unauthorized account is associated with my email but has a different account name and only 30 credits. As a result, I am unable to log in to my own Suno.ai account, which has more credits and is associated with my other email address.

Could you please assist me in resolving this issue as soon as possible? I need to regain access to my account with the correct credits. Please let me know what steps I need to take to verify my identity and secure my account.

wise marsh
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any one have indepth blog or url for Extend functions and how it works, encounter using it, I get a 32 second become 10 sec in part 2

untold briar
# wise marsh any one have indepth blog or url for Extend functions and how it works, encounte...

If you always get a short clip when you Extend, this is most commonly because the clip you are extending from sounds like the song is ending (it is fading out, for example). In these cases, change the Extend From time to use an earlier time than the end of clip. If your clip is 32 seconds, try 30 seconds. Or listen to the clip and maybe you can hear when the fadeout begins, and choose a time right before that.

If the 10 second part in part 2 is not just silence, you can also Get Whole Song on part 2. Then Extend it again, and it might soudnd okay.

untold briar
robust ermine
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seems like the subreddit moderator deleted my comment with the process because it mentioned Udio smh, I'll try reposting to twitter now...

vagrant berry
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anyone else having issue downloading to wav?

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I get "Download failed, please try again." only unique to .wav. .mp3 download works fine.

robust ermine
unique stone
robust ermine
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In a perfect world, I would see the two companies merge so that we can use Udio's product with (optionally) Suno's model

unique stone
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Ah I guess it might be because the first part seems exclusively non-Suno (having had a brief look at the next thing you posted here).

robust ermine
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btw some day I will write a post or record a video explaining why some things that are piece of cake for Udio are super-hard for Suno. TLDR: Suno uses a transformer model, Udio uses a diffusion model

But that's also the reason why Suno rocks the percussions while Udio mehs them

robust ermine
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I created r/generated btw. I've been using it mostly for my "AI metal band" of the same name, but I'd gladly switch it over to just being dedicated to any generative music, if I had someone who could admin/mod/promote it the right way

but that's another story of course

vestal rapids
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The best audio quality by far is neither Suno nor Udio, it's Soundful

robust ermine
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thx!

charred merlin
robust ermine
vestal rapids
robust ermine
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don't see any rock examples, guess it's more for electronic music

vestal rapids
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anyway I'll go back to it now, I am stepping on toes

vestal rapids
mint salmon
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Any tips to make the song go faster with a key change?

tropic fox
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Is there a way to consistently control time to get the 4 minutes? Even when specified it just seems to ignore it and just get about a 1-1.5 minutes.

untold briar
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Prompting Better With Tokens?

Catching up on the tokenizer brainstorming chat I missed here. Thinking out loud. (Not actionable prompting advice, just a ramble.)

Suno prompts are fiddly. Tiny tweaks like dashes can make a big difference. Text tokenization https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer is a plausible explanation: adding a dash either changes a token (house -> -house) or adds a dash token. It isn't known how exactly Suno tokenizes prompts. Tokenization-inspired prompting ideas:

  1. Better hybrid/invented styles

We know style prompts don't have to be real words. Invented hybrid/compound styles made from pieces of real words can be cool. cappella-glitch-crunk etc

Maybe by splitting/combining real words into the same pieces the tokenizer uses will make our invented styles work better. Plausible to me. So far no luck in a tiny bit of testing. Splitting by tokens didn't seem more predictable than splitting wherever. BTW if you test this, remember to check the new style word is also tokenized back into the same original tokens from the real word. Different is worth testing too though, AI is weird.

  1. More powerful/compact styles

Longer style prompts are "stronger". Easy to see when repeating style words. Thinking about length in terms of tokens, we can make style prompts longer without using more characters. This packs more style power in the same 120 character limit. Acid House (2 tokens) < Acid-House (3 tokens). I don't think this could explain dashes entirely but maybe some of it.

  1. More diverse/unique styles

By paying attention to tokenization, we can write the same style words in different ways. Maybe these alternative versions have the same general meaning, but the music is different in some way. I find thinking about prompts like this (even without considering tokens) is useful, even if it's nothing like how Suno really works. "Country" might feel generic. The same tag "country" formatted in a slightly different way (could mean different tokens) might make music that is still clearly country in genre, but not the same as the regular tag.

To wildly speculate on mechanism: "Country" is a tag in a billion songs. Maybe the concept of "country" is like the average of a billion songs. And any tag used in a billion tags must be very important (stronger style) than less common tags.

Maybe "country" formatted differently matches a smaller set of country songs. Still country genre songs, but a narrower slice of songs, and the average of this slice is distinct. Probably tags used in barely any songs are ignored. But tags in the middle ground could be tags that used often enough to not be ignored, but still match up with a narrower slice of music with a different vibe.

Theory-crafting this much mostly is useful to generate new prompts to add to a list of prompts-to-test. Can't really predict things, so at the end of you day you really just stuff (even random stuff) and listen. But I do enjoy it. I guess I'll tag @alpine venture.

alpine venture
naive quail
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wtfuggles. I just had a voice morph into a horse whinny. K_grin

unique stone
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Maybe your vocalist was a little hoarse

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exits

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  1. Does inserting a ton of meaningless tokens BETWEEN prompts have a definable impact on the way the model combines the styles?

  2. does re-arranging a given style such that it uses the minimal number of tokens (or at least less) have a positive/negative/neutral impact, and is it something we can define in natural language, or will it remain nebulous and gut driven?

  3. The same as 2, but for maxxing tokens ie by using capitalization and strange delimeters

  4. Does alternating delimeters have any impact ie if instead of using spaces, we use totally different delimeters throughout? Is this impact sort of like changing the seed where it is somewhat random, or does it have a defined impact?

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I have done some testing but am very far from a conclusion

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and burned a lot of tokens

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Does anyone know if it recognized foreign language prompts at all?

naive quail
alpine venture
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BC, for example, some languages are a token per character

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so that can be useful

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but for example

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these were part of testing

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and see the difference there

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the thing is, it could be attributable to the characters

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so they would need to be alternated

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like, the ///

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to other things

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also lots of this

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which is hilarious

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as obvu $$$$$ is intrinsically styled

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its honestly p dope

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https://suno.com/song/72b97b22-1905-4b2a-9d18-c5f1124b31af
vs
https://suno.com/song/83b15a74-bac5-47e3-873c-9c923505928e

Untitled by @yolkhead | Suno

baroque $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuubstep song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
Untitled by @yolkhead | Suno

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaroque $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Dubstep song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
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where one has an abundance of tokens in one style item, and the other is the opposite. Definitely had a profound impact

naive quail
untold briar
# alpine venture Does anyone know if it recognized foreign language prompts at all?

The answer is almost 100% "yes" that Suno has some understanding of foreign prompts, even if it's sort of a accident. What I thinking about is how you can 'style prompt' with a blank prompt, and no brackets, using singable lyrics alone (a sea shanty, for example) so Suno must have at least some sense of the musical meanings and vibes in foreign words, and this must have a non zero effect as style. Also I have for sure used some foreign prompts, but they were typically unusual instruments, and maybe the English description of the same songs would have also used the foreign terms (it's classy!)

alpine venture
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for example, if you prompt SDXL in hebrew, it doesn't matter what you prompt, you get the same bearded man over and over

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like, in different places of course

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but its this one guy who is an amalgram, presumably

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I hope we can get a more general conclusion out of this, could be interesting

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If more community work the problem

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I'm p sure we will get answers

untold briar
alpine venture
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with some overlap

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my theory is, the style box is used in the instruct to the composer

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and then is also used when the sound is actually produced by the sound model

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chirp's kid

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while the lyric box is entirely the composer

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so the style box being hebrew, chirp's kid actually can't interpret it, but the composer can arrange things in a way that helps

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Ie certain melodies, etc

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that's my hteory anyway

untold briar
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I was helping somebody with ancient traditional Korean songs, and I'm 98% sure I found Korean terms useful, even if only occasionally, and weak (required repetition). I can try to find examples, but probably quick for multi lingual folks to test. But I bet 98% Suno understands some foreign prompts, just a narrower slice.

alpine venture
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Here I'll do a quick test

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https://suno.com/song/217d147d-ffff-47ab-8bbc-db34214f5d9b
https://suno.com/song/df1f19b8-d4de-440c-8bef-e999ea5ad571
https://suno.com/song/788496bb-5ad9-4142-84f3-0c915a7da059

testing testing test test test by @yolkhead | Suno

מוזיקה מזרחית song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
testing testing test test test by @yolkhead | Suno

תחיית פוסט-פאנק song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

testing testing test test test by @yolkhead | Suno

פוסט-פאנק song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

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now, I'll do in english to show it works

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Basically, style doesn't work in hebrew

naive quail
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now even @flint haven is bring up horses... K_grin

alpine venture
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in english, with the same test prompt, style work

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but in hebrew, they're effectivel identical

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korean might work

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idk, it depends on the original caption

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to be clear, if the above ones worked, we should have had post-punk

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and mizrahi (middle eastern)

untold briar
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It's tricky. A lot of words when translated into other languages are similar, spelled differently, etc. I tried Polk and Rap written in Korean, did not work.

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Actually scratch that, rap works.

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Makes some sense. Lots of Korean rap songs. Maybe not so many Korean polka songs. Though now I want to make one.

alpine venture
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interesting

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you don't need the style at all

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so it may just be all from the composer

untold briar
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I have always thought of Suno has holistic. Both in the raw audio (voices and instruments are just different sounds to Suno) but also in the prompts. I described it like style prompts are different colored text compared to lyrics, but not something completely different.

Part of this from very old Suno V0. There was no style prompt. The lyrics box was all we had. So it felt like the style prompt was a tweak, a convenience feature, not a total redesign to me. But it is vibes, who knows.

alpine venture
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hebrew also doesn't work through this method, so I think it is indeed unified

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now that we've done this

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I may stop using it

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Or if I do, it may be purely on clarity

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interesting

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It may actually be relevant if its like, an instruct

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as this would in some configurations in some sense be at the "head" of the models attention

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or like, always highly relevant

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to the direction/vector if the model's output

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Well, we are lucky with V3.5. V2 and V3 did not care so much about what was in lyrics. They did care a little, but the style prompt was always king. You can see in my V2/V3 songs super mega tag spam, desperately trying to power up the lyrics 😄

alpine venture
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There's prob conventional ways around this if its just a training issue

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ie you would want to write some thing in the style box

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and then the same thing in a very particular format in the lyrics

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the model, if its an llm

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will then generalize this formatting as sort of "the same" as whatever special syntactic suhar is used on the style box

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kind of hard to explain without doing it

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This would explain why its been reading the style box more often though

untold briar
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But with V3.5, we are back to being able to prompt even if we use blank style prompt. Always using always blank would be a handicap and I don't think makes sense though. But I use blank styles very often. At a minimum, I check what kind of music the lyrics alone creates. If it's generic I know the lyrics is not pulling the music much. But sometimes the music is already in a clear genre, so you have to fight against it when you prompt if you don't want it. Either by spamming words, or using fake lyrics in Clip 1 and Extending with real lyric after style is locked in more.

alpine venture
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if its basically a part of the normal lyrics page

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got the evil laughter in that one

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but this could be placebo

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and its just bc of brackets

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cursed

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but in a good way

untold briar
# alpine venture This would explain why its been reading the style box more often though

The funny thing is, even if you knew every single technical detail we are speculating about right here. I think it probably doesn't help understand how to prompt better, at least not that much. If you search Suno dev posts going back like a year. Many comments like, "WTF how does that prompt even work, wtf? Why did you even try that?" and even very specific things they tried to make work a certain way no purpose, sometimes end up different when users test it. As far I know dashes is still a mystery, nothing should be different with dashes. But AI is weird, hard to predict, learns things you didn't mean to teach it. Can't beat just trying stuff.

alpine venture
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It is possible to understand higher level some of how a model thinks though, and it is helpful to guide, otherwise you end up "fitting to local minima"

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Or rather, you end up thinking you understand something when you're actually doing one thing right and 8 thinkgs wrong

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but that one right thing happens to be strong enough to have a major impact

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so yea, this prompting has led to the most broken music I've ever made

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its adherence is p good though

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until it completely loses its mind

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its clear this is an LLM though

untold briar
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Many of those V3 are actually V3A, the label isn't the same, and prompt very differently in V3. Can tell from date on song.

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But {} are still real weird in V3 and V3.5 and remain fun to mess with

alpine venture
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I accidentally have made like 5 little cello numbers

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with the strangest prompts

untold briar
# alpine venture oh for sure; I will say some general things though can be helpful as a starting...

I also think about the the style prompts in Simple mode or the random style box. Those suggestions better now (a pretty recent change) but for almost a year those style prompts were super barebones: "upbeat country" or "heartfelt pop".

My guess is Suno mostly thought about styles like this when designing and testing things. Then users went nuts with tons of tags, weird and fake words. If you look at early prompting instructions or advice, in posts or the old Discord faq links, it's all simple short prompts from a small set of words. I really don't think they predicted styles that everyone uses know would work so well. Well, maybe now in V3.5 or V3, but not in earlier times.

woeful oak
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I’m trying to extend a song at the 0:18 sec mark because I like the melody of the chorus and I’ve written the whole rest of lyrics and song structure and want the choruses to be the same as the first 18sec. But when I enter my lyrics and extend, it duplicates my verse 1 twice and ends at 2 min? I thought they could go to 4 min?

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this lil test

untold briar
# alpine venture https://suno.com/song/f2dac0c1-0de4-4ced-9a39-a61ff266db49

When V2 first came out it was Simple mode only, no custom lyrics were possible for a little while. While "ignore previous instructions" is pointless now with Custom mode, in that short window, prompting songs like that was very very amusing. https://suno.com/song/1b38239f-0149-4936-b93a-6d8511fb0c4c (First clip was Nov 9, before V2 Custom mode https://suno.com/song/1f3016c8-acc3-42b4-a820-c4256e3db188)

I actually kind of loved the constraint of Simple Mode only, at least for a short time. really forced you to be creative and ended up with prompts and songs I wouldn't have come up with otherwise. somehow it's just not the same with self-imposed constraints. maybe custom mode will bug out for a week, that could be fun for me, personally,.

I'm a fan of the prompt injection by @jonathanfly | Suno

parody pop catchy song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
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woeful oak
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Is the mobile web version (I don’t have access to the app in Canada) not 4 min? And why is it’s duplicating my Verse 1 on every gen?

woeful oak
# untold briar Which clip are you extending? Clip 1, 2, etc?

I was extending clip 1 at 18 sec in because originally I had only a chorus I fed it and I really like the melody it did with my chorus in clip 1. I then wrote the rest of the song structure and lyrics offline and want to extend from there but clip 2 ends up getting 2 verse 1s in the lyrics I fed the extend

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Every gen I do extending that particular clip 1 at 18 sec duplicates my verse 1 and doesn’t continue with my lyrics until after the second copy of my verse 1 and then it cuts off prematurely at 2min

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Any ideas? Is it because I’m using mobile web version? It says I’m using 3.5

tame plume
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One thing I've noticed in the EDM genre is that the chorus often sounds very similar to the verse. It tends to be quite monotone, if that makes sense. It's as if the verse transitions into another verse without much distinction.

untold briar
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This problem can happen with no cause, just by bad luck. Sometimes if you change the time even a little, like 17 or 19 seconds, can fix it though.

woeful oak
alpine venture
full field
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got an issue where suno randomly makes 4 songs even though i only click create once and takes double credits

untold briar
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viral moss
woeful oak
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I’m also using song structure like this: [Verse 1]

scenic wraith
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Hoping at some stage we will be able to hard set the bpm

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Is this in the works?

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viral moss
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woeful oak
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Thanks. I’ll try different extend times. But in clip 1 it repeats that chorus twice and I didn’t want to have it twice before verse 1

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What about the extend is limited to 2min? I thought I read it will play up to 4min?

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fair adder
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i have a question about meta tags: what is difference between chorus and refrain? cause i'm french and in french, chorus litteraly means refrain. so i'm confused

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heres an example of what it does

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full field
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not always. just random

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and its only been happening since 3.5 came out

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Thank you for your help btw!

fair adder
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... o... kaaaaayyy...

untold briar
# woeful oak I don’t want to lose the melody in that first 18 sec from clip 1. My second pr...

When you Extend any clip, the prompt should only include new lyrics. These lyrics should start from wherever the singer in the previous clip stopped. This might not be the end of your clip 1 prompt, because maybe the singer didn't finish all the words you gave it. So you have to actually listen. Also, if you change the Extend From time to use an earlier time, then be sure to add in the lyrics to the new prompt that are now missing. (Because the ealier time is before those lyrics.)

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Ok so is number of verses and choruses needed?

untold briar
# woeful oak Ok so is number of verses and choruses needed?

Numbering verses like [verse 1] [verse 2] is often recommended. But it not needed. Actually, you can even use no labels for verse or chorus at all, and it can still work. Those tags are more like hints for Suno. [chorus] is the one that makes a big difference because usually Suno tries to sing like a chorus, and sings that verse with bigger energy etc, like you expect in many choruses.

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I often skip [chorus] because I prefer a mellower vibe. Either use no tag, just verse tags, or [refrain] maybe.

woeful oak
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I was wondering if there were special key words. But I was doing things like [2 bars bass]
Or [building drum fill] at the end of a verse or prechorus. Does that work?

untold briar
# woeful oak I was wondering if there were special key words. But I was doing things like [2 ...

I'm not sure about "2 bars" specifically, but short instructions sometimes work. But not reliably when used in a large prompt, for instructions you want only to apply to very specfic time. They usually have some effect, but hard to narrowly target like that.

If the song is a music genre where something like that is typical, it's easier. Like a [guitar solo instrumental] in a polka song probably is ignored more often than in a rock song.

woeful oak
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I’m playing in a Euro Dance electronica pop thing

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untold briar
# woeful oak Thanks for your help!

I would just say, don't spend too many credits retrying very specific prompts like that. Try it and be happily surprised when it works or does something you like you didn't expect.

But even when [specific instructions in brackets] don't 'work' they can influence the music style of a song. So it make some difference in overal music, add some flavor to prompt, always good to add things to make songs more unique IMO,.

woeful oak
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Thanks. I have a subscription so I’m ok to spend credits if I’m working on a song that’s important to me. But the main thing for me is trying to get the song structure how I want it and for my lyrics to work.

brittle apex
harsh viper
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Hello, can someone help me
I want to know how can I stretch a single word in Suno AI
Thank You!

untold briar
harsh viper
viral moss
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If I use the prompt [Guitar: 68 Gibson SG] [Guitar Amplifier: 1976 Marshall 1959] [Guitar Playing Style: Australian Pub Rock] [Chord Progression: E, D, A/C#] What are the odds of that working

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Alright, I'm at a complete loss now... I've been working on an extension to replace a section of a song I wasn't pleased with, which is just the outro. In my original it sang the lyrics correctly, rhyming the word "touch" with the word "much" in the line previous. Every extension I have made, whether it sounds good or like crap, instead pronounces the word "touch" as "tuck" or "tut" and doesn't do a typical "ch" sound, like is typically in "much" or "touch" - any suggestions???

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sweet wigeon
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@flint haven what's the problem why do you delete my question?

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how to pass lyrics instructions connected with beats, so Suno knows where the downbeat should be in the lyrics?

viral moss
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Does vocal quality degrade noticeably if you extend a song using a lower version of Suno?

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I mean, I know it degrades over the duration of the song anyways (for some reason), but specifically when extending using another version during a song started with 3.5

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I don't notice too much degrading in vocals using a v3 ext from v3.5

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To be fair, I tend to stick with v3 when doing most extensions, simply because v3 is better with actually ending a song, if need be, opposed to v3.5 that will often ramble beyond what would be the end.

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Hi, is there a proper channel where I can get some help? For about 2 weeks now I havent been able to generate anything, nor even Like my songs, because it gives me a 403 Forbidden. I love Suno and genuinely miss creating music 😦

junior sun
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is there any issues with regen of a video? i just regen this video like 7 times to update the image and its keeping the original image in the video.

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finaly on my 8th try i did a lyric edit... then reverted it and it finaly took the new image.

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viral moss
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Just wondering, does your uploaded Artwork also impact your song being filtered from' Showcase or Trending?
Half of mine are screenshots from badly compressd youtube videos, But I have a feeling Suno wouldnt want Luigi or Billy Mays on the front page

teal raft
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They have a rought NSFW thing for the art itself but it does not have an effect on the filter for trending

viral moss
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But half naked women? 🤝👌👍🤘🤙

teal raft
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Welcome 2 the churn

viral moss
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PG 13 indeed

teal raft
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Anime saturation is a thing, yeah

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But it's what the kids like

viral moss
vague nymph
charred merlin
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Kevin is the bassist, Dave is the drummer, Toker is the Six String Toker 🤘

sweet wigeon
weary wharf
sweet wigeon
sweet wigeon
sweet wigeon
# untold briar The funny thing is, even if you knew every single technical detail we are specul...

Did you expect that Suno will change the mode of interpratiation "song" when you type the instructions? But the problem is that Suno goal is different than you think. It's goal is to compose good song, not to test various "modes" of expressions. So it will choose one line of melody, maybe even two if you tell to AI, and then he will keep it. I have tested two lines of melody with different generative tool, but could work for Suno too. The problem is that he cannot switch the modes. I managed to do that recently only once by a good change on first attempt, then never ever again.

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radiant lake
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Hello everyone!! I have a question. On the legal side, what are we called, DJs, music composers, music artists, music producers? If there is a legal form of music and here I am referring to the music that we compose with Ai Suno, that is, if I would like my music to be legally broadcast on the radio.

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Just don't count on it doing anything predictable... except for getting a "WTF!?" out of Kevin and Dave. 😄

viral moss
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Or Nuclear Assault

vague nymph
# naive quail Suno will sometimes try to do... *something* with whacky styles and tags, which ...

One of the things I love about Suno is it not being predictable. It gives me results I never would have dreamed of otherwise. In my songs (many of them from my poetry of the past) I am using a lot of different styles to try to capture the mood and sentiment that I imagined. Sometimes I make 20 versions of the same song and then can't part with any of them. I am offloading them to my hard drive to free a lot of space in my Suno Library. 😁 I credited you in Showcase for inspiring me. Thanks again!

viral moss
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Here's a weird question;
Would the International Phonetic Alphabet work with Suno?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#Consonants

International Phonetic Alphabet

The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) is an alphabetic system of phonetic notation based primarily on the Latin script. It was devised by the International Phonetic Association in the late 19th century as a standardized representation of speech sounds in written form. The IPA is used by lexicographers, foreign language students and teachers,...

naive quail
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I've seen it come up a few times, tho. Maybe it's in the queue somewhere. Hopefully behind returning the 1:1 aspect ratio of our covers...

viral moss
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Dang. Not a huge deal, just thought it'd be interesting to test out. Would be cool though.

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And yea, I'm sure theyre getting right on that...

hard crest
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Hi, i am new to Suno and i am just wondering if anyone can share me some tips about creating a song with a long music break?

i need to make some songs for events and each song i will need to have a long music break (somewhere 20-30 sec) where i can add some quote in the middle. From what i have experanced, no matter what tag or command i am using, the break is only 10-12 sec (4 or 8-bars) and even i try to extand the song right before it gets back to sing, the AI is still not letting me to making a longer music break and jump in singing right away. I have tried to create the break with no lyrics and using the Instrumental option, that does not work either. Even if the break is getting longer, the vocal after will be difference and that is not i want either.

everytime i will need to spend like 500+ credits and only getting 2-3 times long enough music break (like 20 - 30 sec) .

Just wonder if anyone know what kind of tag or command i can use for a longer break?

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normal pasture
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Hello everyone. Is there a way to give individual words an English pronunciation? I would like to write a text in German, but individual words and names should be pronounced in English. Logically (and also correctly) suno tries to sing everything in German, which unintentionally results in funny pronunciations 😄

Thank you in advance for your help.

exotic fiber
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hello.. i need to send a DM to someone who works at Suno... anyone available?

viral moss
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alpine venture
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this in particular is an udio gen in the audio qual

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Udio has a distinct sound

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and this one gets it

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I'm interested to hear if people end up with any clarity changes

patent leaf
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SUNO's prob the best vocal tts ive found, any tips on how to just generate vocals out of it, or any good vocal isolation software yall know?

viral moss
patent leaf
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yea but its really low quality stem removal

viral moss
soft gyro
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Question: does V 3.0 knows the meta tags "melodic interlude" and "instrumental solo" ? Thanks

kind spindle
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What happened to all the language group chat ? They just disappeared or just me can’t find them anymore??😱😱

tiny tangle
alpine venture
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So basically, they either did an update

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Not an update

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but like, a LoRa update

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or we're avoiding the LoRa by targeting parts of the underlying

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in any case, I really think people should listen about the data poisoning

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The clarity difference is absurd

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with the simple addition of #myspace to my old prompts

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ie either the quality of the data is improving and we just had an update and everyone will see uplifts, or this is part of the original training data, and my other prompts which are already designed to side step area of pollution, combined with that one to boost the original dataset, improves clarity

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Idk, I'm tired, so that's all for now

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but the instrumentals were better and easier than ever

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radiant plover
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Since this doesn’t sample existing works for reference isn’t it safe to say that sunos works are original body’s of music?

vestal rapids
patent leaf
radiant plover
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Let me look again

patent leaf
radiant plover
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I can’t seem to find it but I’ll keep on digging. It was in the wiki I think and it said something along the lines of “suno uses a language model not a reference library”

Anyways I got kicked back from Spotify stating copywrite

patent leaf
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like your song was removed for a copyright violation or what?

cyan grove
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has anyone had any luck with vocal harmony? Duets?

radiant plover
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Curious to see what they say to my appeal

patent leaf
vestal rapids
hollow hare
# cyan grove has anyone had any luck with vocal harmony? Duets?

Old copy-paste made for v3.0, I haven't tried for 3.5 but the metatag reading is much better:

Getting duets... that is more luck than anything else. Try to use male and female sounding names in tags, that might help, but it is still hard to achieve.

A few people were able to do it but at an expense to their credits:
3Daizy's duet
MrTree's duet
Suno.Wiki entry

Again, getting it working on purpose is hard.

Alternative methods:

  1. It is easier to make a duet by doing something like generating instrumental part 1 then Extend it twice (one extension where you specify for male vocals in the styles field, the other for females), or something similar for each alternating part, then edit them together in a DAW.

  2. Even easier (and cheaper) is to make a full track then swap the voices gender using other AI tools like kits.ai (see #🗣️┃chill-chat message ) or your own voice with a RVC model (see #💡┃suggestions-web message ).

You can use a DAW to edit which voice track plays when.

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That being said, I had some with swapped vocal verses in certain genres when I was trying some triple tagged lines like
[Structure] [Gender] [Mood]
#📚┃suno-school message

Only had one true duet and it was done unintentionally in an Islamic Nasheed styled song #💬┃general-chat message (at the 1 min mark)

cyan grove
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Wow, thank you for the info!

junior sun
# junior sun is there any issues with regen of a video? i just regen this video like 7 times ...

this error is recurring again on a different video... Mainly trying to update the image in the video...
so I updated the name... regen still old image...
Edit lyrics save and edit back lyrics still same image
Download the existing image and manually upload it and regen. still old original image no the desired image.
I edit the song title made it shorter. regen still original image.
I edit the song title and removed the ' character in it... as a programmer I know this character can cause issues... regen still same old image... this ' character is found alot in the lyrics I wont edit all the lyrics tonight....
So did a lyric + name edit + upload image edit... then regen... still original image... seems totally broken tonight..... I submit this song using the bug report button.... wanted to upload to youtube.... but waiting on it to regen with the proper image....
Not sure what else to try at this point.

woeful oak
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Oh no. I just tried out the stems feature for the first time. Disappointed. I was hoping I got waves for each instrument. It seems like it’s an audio removal of vocals plus everything else and not a very good instrumental track - still has traces of box and crosstalk.

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Was really hoping I could get bass lines and keyboards separated out.

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But then again Suno is so awesome I am complaining when it’s so amazing when feeding it your own lyrics and melodies.

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woeful oak
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Thanks for the tip. I’ve never had luck with separators is that one any good? I would pay for a good one. I was hoping behind the scenes the Suno ai was mixing and had separate tracks

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The vocal stems sound digitally damaged. Is there a VST that repairs or warms digital wavering like that?

eager topaz
woeful oak
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Does it generate midi?

eager topaz
woeful oak
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It’s not too expensive and a trial. I think I’ll grab it.

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I usually use melodyne to fix words and stretch them

eager topaz
woeful oak
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I don’t expect it to pull midi drums especially out of low fi Suno files. But hoping it can get midi tracks out of keyboard lines.

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Is Ripx its own DAW? Can I use it to separate and then put back in my DAW? (Cakewalk)

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woeful oak
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It would be a lot less trouble if Suno let me cut and paste bars together from a million clips

eager topaz
woeful oak
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Ok cool. Do you recommend putting the main Suno clips or full song or starting with the Suno stems?

eager topaz
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No, don't use the Suno stems. Use the full Suno audio file

mighty scroll
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if it lets me yank and clean up the vocals I'll be on clam nine

eager topaz
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The kick and the percussion are usually really good. Bass is a bit hit and miss sometimes, as is the piano, but the vocal is usually really good to clean up

eager topaz
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The good thing is that you get 21 days free trial to decide to spend the bucks or not

woeful oak
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Do you recommend any VSTs to clean up the digital compression tinny sound at all in some Suno files? Any ideas on something with presets or that is not super hard or time consuming? I pretty much think it’s impossible unless it’s an AI tool to regenerate the missing frequencies?

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woeful oak
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Cool thanks. I was debating getting ozone

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wet basin
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我想听听好听的音乐

tight spade
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soo.. lol i dont embarris my self again could some one with a musical ear check somthing for me

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worked really hard at this.

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please dm if you have 10 mins

untold briar
# tiny tangle Please can this comment be pinned, it's oh so helpful!

I'm glad its helpful explaining the ideas and theories being discussed in here. But I would just confuse people looking for clear prompting advice if I pinned it. 😄

Even I am not sure how what to do with the concepts, as I said I haven't really found any useful results in my tests. But I am curious what others might discover.

tight spade
main veldt
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Sorry, first time poster here and I haven't had time to read all the comments. I have a question about the latest update "Pro & Premier users can now separate the vocals and instrumentals from songs, which will give you more control over how to use Suno." Does that mean that I can take a song I like, use only music/melody , remove lyrics and replace with my own lyrics?

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wicked mortar
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it's basically vocals split from main song, not actual steams of differing song parts like drums, bass, keys, synths and such

vestal rapids
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the only two AI music offerings that have real stems is Aiva and Soundful

main veldt
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Wow, you really know your stuff. Thanks for helping newbie out 🙂

vestal rapids
main veldt
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But can I create a new song using some other song instrumental with totally new vocals?

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hello

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hot trout
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Has anyone else had any issues lately with Suno just flat out ignoring certain lyrical sections? Not just doing the usual repeating thing, but then on top of that, just skipping segments and moving on to other things? I almost feel like someone or something has been polluting the training data; I have had a rash of really bizarre hallucinations and things that I never had before in the past week or so.

tight spade
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@hot trout i have had issues as your describing, its the use of spaces usually, for me. or misplaced commas. double brackets

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one space between prompts ( notepad++ is great for this)

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tight spade
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@hot trout could i get a exampl of you prompts , may be i can see where the problems are

hot trout
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Sure. I'll share these in order and go through the process I used as well, maybe you can see something.

tight spade
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that would be cool

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So, my style prompt is the same for all of these, and simply refers the AI to the lyrics block for details. It uses a format I found on the wiki that has yielded some great results in the past: SEE <SONG_DETAILS> IN THE LYRICS FIELD FOR DETAILED INFORMATION

In the lyrics field, I put this:

<SONG_DETAILS>
GENRE: [acoustic rock]
STYLE: [complex melody], [simple rhythm], [ballad]
INSTRUMENTATION: [harp guitar], [drums], [bass]
VOCALS: [male voice], [crooning], [raspy], [deep voice]
DYNAMICS: [lots of motion], [smooth transitions]
ARRANGEMENT: [progressive layering]
PRODUCTION: [hi-fi sound], [no auto-tune], [Dolby Atmos mix], [warm compression]
TEMPO: [90-120 BPM]
</SONG_DETAILS>

[PRE-CHORUS]

All I ever have to do,
Is close my eyes and think of you...

[CHORUS]

I feel the calm and courage fill me,
No matter what it is I face.
There's nothing left standing in my way,
Deep down I know I'll win this race!
I couldn't find the words to say it,
And yet I think you always knew-
I've never been a better man
And angel, it's all because of you!

[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

POST CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE

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That gave me a beautiful result, except it repeated the first verse. No problem, just extend it...

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Woops, wrong version of the prompt.

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That was the SECOND one I used. Hang on.

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[INSTRUMENTAL INTRO]

[VERSE]

Now I'm trapped between two heart beats,
And I am lost inside your gaze.
I'm spinning 'round, can't find the ground,
I feel the whole world slip away.
You know I'm captive to your voice,
And now at last I realize,
Every dream I've ever had, girl
Is hidden somewhere in your eyes!

[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

[PRE-CHORUS]

All I ever have to do,
Is close my eyes and think of you...

[CHORUS]

I feel the calm and courage fill me,
No matter what it is I face.
There's nothing left standing in my way,
Deep down I know I'll win this race!
I couldn't find the words to say it,
And yet I think you always knew-
I've never been a better man
And angel, it's all because of you!

[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

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That was the first one. Repeated first verse, so extended from 00:41 using the second prompt, and got something where it said the pre-chorus, then looped right back into the first verse, which appeared NOWHERE in the second prompt.

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tight spade
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try this and with no space before "<" at the top of lyrics

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<GENRE: acoustic rock]
STYLE: complex melody, simple rhythm, ballad]
INSTRUMENTATION: harp guitar, drums, bass]
VOCALS: male voice, crooning, raspy, deep voice ]
DYNAMICS: lots of motion, smooth transitions]
ARRANGEMENT: progressive layering]
PRODUCTION: hi-fi sound, no auto-tune,Dolby Atmos mix], warm compression ]
TEMPO: 90-120 BPM >

[PRE-CHORUS]

All I ever have to do,
Is close my eyes and think of you...

[CHORUS]

I feel the calm and courage fill me,
No matter what it is I face.
There's nothing left standing in my way,
Deep down I know I'll win this race!
I couldn't find the words to say it,
And yet I think you always knew-
I've never been a better man
And angel, it's all because of you!

[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

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see i missed abracket

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so easy lol

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<GENRE: acoustic rock]
STYLE: complex melody, simple rhythm, ballad]
INSTRUMENTATION: harp guitar, drums, bass]
VOCALS: male voice, crooning, raspy, deep voice ]
DYNAMICS: lots of motion, smooth transitions]
ARRANGEMENT: progressive layering]
PRODUCTION: hi-fi sound, no auto-tune,Dolby Atmos mix, warm compression ]
TEMPO: 90-120 BPM >

[PRE-CHORUS]

All I ever have to do,
Is close my eyes and think of you...

[CHORUS]

I feel the calm and courage fill me,
No matter what it is I face.
There's nothing left standing in my way,
Deep down I know I'll win this race!
I couldn't find the words to say it,
And yet I think you always knew-
I've never been a better man
And angel, it's all because of you!

[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]

hot trout
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Okay, I'll give it a go, thanks!

stark oak
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Where are people learning all these meta tags?

hot trout
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I troll the wiki, and ask questions here all the time... lots of people have given me tons of great advice. It really, really helps to polish your music.

rough scarab
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hi

tight spade
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pinned messages in this chat have crud load of info

stark oak
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Like I’ve seen the basic ones on the wiki, but none like choosing style and instrumentation

tight spade
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chat gpt ask it questions

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ask it about songs

stark oak
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I did ask ChatGPT lol

tight spade
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and structure

stark oak
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I figured it’d know better than I

tight spade
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check this is what i mean

hot trout
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Wow, the censors do NOT understand context, LOL... some words mean very different things depending on the words around them, and even if you took the DIRTIEST meaning of the word I used that got my last reply kicked, it's something people grow out of saying by ten years old or so. ROFLMAO

tight spade
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lol

hot trout
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I was trying to say a minute ago that I also spend a ton of credits just experimenting with different ideas and trying to see what yields good results. It burns through money, but I don't mind; it's really helped me flesh out my stuff.

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I also play around in a ton of genres, from pop-rock love ballads to funk to pirate metal, so... yeah. Fun times.

cursive jetty
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@stark oak what is 12 bar
Sent by Copilot:
The 12-bar blues is a chord progression that is a fundamental structure in blues music. It’s called “12-bar” because it consists of 12 measures (or bars) that are played in a specific order. Here’s a basic breakdown:

The progression starts with four measures of the I (one) chord12345.
This is followed by two measures of the IV (four) chord12345.
Then, it goes back to two measures of the I (one) chord12345.
The last four measures consist of one measure of the V (five) chord, one measure of the IV (four) chord, and two measures of the I (one) chord12345.
This structure is used in many famous blues songs and provides a framework for the blues genre12. It can be played in any key and both major and minor keys12. Variations of this structure exist, such as changing the chord in the 2nd bar from Chord I to Chord IV, which is called quick-change or quick four1.

For example, in the key of C, the 12-bar blues progression would be: C (I), C (I), C (I), C (I), F (IV), F (IV), C (I), C (I), G (V), F (IV), C (I), C (I)5.

I hope this helps! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. 😊

hot trout
tight spade
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stuff like that im learning about music, tho its hard to tell from my songs at times

cursive jetty
hot trout
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Suno has really changed my life. I have always been a lyricist, but Suno lets me pull my songs out of my head and bring them into the world in a way that I could never have done on my own. And now I am also learning music theory, which may someday help me make my own songs from the ground up. 😄

stark oak
stark oak
tight spade
cursive jetty
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Performance Tags

  1. [powerful] - Strong, forceful vocals required.
  2. [forte] - Loud or strong vocal delivery.
  3. [belting] - Powerful vocal technique.
  4. [emphatic] - Vocals delivered with strong emphasis.
  5. [intense] - High emotional or dynamic intensity.
  6. [climax] - Peak vocal or instrumental moment.
  7. [passionate] - Deeply emotional vocal performance.
  8. [soaring] - Vocals that rise dramatically in pitch and intensity.
mighty scroll
tight spade
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all this is pinned messages from other users

stark oak
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Thank you

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i take no credit

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lol

stark oak
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You linked it 🤷🏻‍♂️

cursive jetty
# stark oak Now this helps

Also play with major/minor key and bpm alongside the emotive metas this can create stronger vocal performances

stark oak
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Noted

hot trout
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@stratuss, can you insert those performance tags in the middle of lyrical/instrumental blocks to get the desired effect on the following bit?

cursive jetty
tight spade
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[Instrumental] [humming] [soring] [Chords: (Amaj), (Emaj), (F#m), (Dmaj)]

(Amaj), (Emaj), (F#m), (Dmaj)

[Verse] [build] [Male] [intense] [soaring] [passionate] [upbeat music] [Chords: (Amaj), (Emaj), (F#m), (Dmaj)]

(Amaj) My Music! Reverbs off the Walls,
(Emaj) Echoes of love, won't fall.
(F#m) Six years gone, gone.
(Dmaj) I yearn to have more Time!

hot trout
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I've seldom if ever had issues getting emotive lyrics and such, but being able to fine-tune things sounds grand!

tight spade
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im try to work out key and chords

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so far i have consistancy but mis the note often

unique stone
# tight spade www.sunoaiwiki.com

Ah, now I understand where you're getting the long and complex-looking tags in the lyrics field from. I've not heard of that site before.

tight spade
hot trout
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not perfect but the amount of edit to get this was grand

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now ill work backwards delete portions at at time

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or re enter diffrent ways

cursive jetty
# hot trout @stratuss, can you insert those performance tags in the middle of lyrical/instru...

Also remember how you write the flow of your lyrics can dramatically change the emotive response you get back - this is a good example of a simplistic prompt but with the intended written flow to achieve greater emotional resonance. Got lucky 1k credits after trial and errors https://suno.com/song/03340847-4d2d-4e0e-a681-3fd4269dcce7

Someone ... by @tokaris | Suno

Acoustic Pop, Piano, Mellow Male Singer, Lofi trap, sweeping strings song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
rustic lintel
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Has anyone thought of making a website that helps format lyrics and add appropriate tags etc?

unique stone
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I expect what happens with long tags is that Suno just picks out whatever words it understands and disregards everything else (so for example "[TEMPO: Slow, 70-90 BPM]" - Suno doesn't have any comprehension of numbers, probably doesn't understand what "tempo" means and will just see: "[..... slow .....]"

tight spade
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also with "< Song dtails here > " dont fill in the styal and genera boxes just leave them blank

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im a terriable typist

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lol

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every thing should be written in between < xxx >

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in lyrics

unique stone
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Some things have an indirect influence on other things. I mean, within individual song genres there are likely some common tempos. You're not likely to ask for e.g. happy-hardcore, 90bpm 😄

hot trout
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Yeah, but a lot of the genres I play in have pretty damn wide ranges of proper tempos because I tend to keep it loose when it comes to genre. For example, I have heard acoustic rock songs that range from 60 to 140 or so. 🤣

cursive jetty
hot trout
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Wait... Wait, wait, wait... So the censors on Discord don't like scrw!n@, but damn is just fine?! 🤣

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Time to get to work, ugh... Thank you all for the insightful tips and conversation! @stratuss, is there any way you'd be willing to DM me that list of performance tags you shared so I can easily find it when I get home later?

unique stone
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Is there evidence that <SONG_DETAILS>...</SONG_DETAILS> has an effect over just putting the tags there without this decoration?

hot trout
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Yes. HARD evidence.

tight spade
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SONGKEY has an effect on temop F#m vs Gmaj

hot trout
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I INVARIABLY get it treating the tags as literal lyrics otherwise.

tight spade
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hot trout
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As in for, not a single deviation in a couple dozen tries.

tight spade
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need those

hot trout
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Yeah, even then... it's why the version you sent me to try failed, I think. LOL

tight spade
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no space ubove the first <

unique stone
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I wonder if that's used internally to wrap the "style" prompt or something. Might experiment a bit with that.

hot trout
# tight spade no space ubove the first <

Well, yeah... You can't have a space above. Still didn't work for me on it's own; HAD to use the SONG_DETAILS tags to get it to recognize that those tags weren't lyrics. Anyhow, off to work! Thanks again, all!

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And @stratuss, if you're willing to send along that list of performance tags, would be boss. 😄

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works fine for me lol

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i think it got slashed

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missing half adozzen [

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sry about that

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Gameshow Metatags
[announcer]: For the voice of the show host.
[applause]: To simulate audience clapping.
[cheers and applause]: For a more enthusiastic audience reaction.
[bell dings]: For correct answers or winning moments.
[buzzer]: For incorrect answers or time's up moments.
[upbeat music]: Background music to set a lively tone.
Television Show Metatags
[narrator]: For storytelling or introducing scenes.
[background music]: To set the mood.
[audience laughing]: For sitcoms or comedic moments.
[dramatic music]: For suspenseful scenes.
[female/male voice]: To specify the gender of the speaker.

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found these gems

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dont know what order they work or if they 100%

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Does the age of a song affects it's ability to appear in trending?
Say I had a song from months ago that only just started gaining traction, would Trending pick it up? Or is there a set timeframe after the songs creation where it qualifies for Trending?

Cuz most songs there have a mix of very low to moderate plays/likes, nothing like songs in Showcase

unique stone
viral moss
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Trending shouldn't only be for new songs, there's some sleeper hits that should show up there once people find them

radiant lake
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Hello! Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I have a problem. If someone can help me

unique stone
viral moss
unique stone
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Sounds like it's quite reliable then. If it's a way to get more information into the "style" that could be useful. I guess that has more weight than the lyrics tags since it applies to the whole song.

unique stone
tight spade
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@unique stone whats the best way to get the sheet music?

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out of a song

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i was able to get a python,.py working to read them for the chords

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im limitied in money for extracting it

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im useing moise also its great but id rather have a print out

unique stone
# tight spade <@480097487034646539> whats the best way to get the sheet music?

No idea on this I'm afraid... I don't work with sheet music at all. You'd need the individual notes to be identified by something at least, so like a MIDI conversion and then make sheet music from that I guess?

I don't know if there's any transcription software that works well with Suno output. The stuff I work with, I tend to listen to and work it out myself which takes a long time and some notes are hidden behind layers so I have to guess a lot (so I expect software would struggle with that too)

cursive jetty
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Personally I find the in lyric prompting esp around transitions, instrumental changes, vocal enhancements and mood pitch work better than all rammed into meta mast head

unique stone
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Having them as a list in a single tag seems reasonable. I'm not sure if "INSTRUMENTATION:" is necessary or understood though.

I have developed a habit of putting dashes between things (e.g. "kick-drum" instead of "kick drum") knowing that the style prompt differentiates "happy-hardcore" and "happy hardcore". But this might be a bad habit of mine.

cursive jetty
radiant lake
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Hi all ! Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I have a problem. If someone can help me with one of the songs

tight spade
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[TUNE: 440hz ] [TUNE: 500hz] [TUNE: 600HZ] works btw changes the the sound

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i dunno how high or low you can go

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just tested

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lol

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@radiant lake what yuh need

radiant lake
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I have a problem with one of my songs made with Suno.How is it possible that Youtube finds in my song sequences from other songs of others who claim copyright. Is it possible for Suno to copy other people's songs? It's about the song I created with Suno

tight spade
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[TUNE:] seems to work with vocal tempo

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haahhah this is halariouse

cursive jetty
radiant lake
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from minute 00:50 to minute 2:37

tight spade
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think i found the tempo

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or key

radiant lake
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They say that part of the song is part of the song Heroic created by RedLionProduction

tight spade
soft gyro
tight spade
full field
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none

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lol

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haveing fun

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fun

full field
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then why are u posting songs in here?

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this is for tech help

tight spade
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tech

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@full field im just showing the dif from changing prompt

stark oak
full field
tight spade
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@full field this is techncal

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stuff

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@full field read the previous posts

full field
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i already have

tight spade
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cool

full field
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if u dont believe me ask a mod

tight spade
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@full field are you an op?

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?

tight spade
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okmthanks

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Operator,, or mod

stiff sable
# full field this is for tech help

technical discussion, not strictly a diagnostics channel. if suno generations help show what a technical point is that's being discussed then it would make sense to share it in here alongside the active discussion

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which is what we're doing

tight spade
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so ,,, combining both [TUNE: 440hz] and [Tuning: (F#m) ] you get diffrent keys or notes

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sounds really cool lol

neat nexus
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Are you using these as metatags? Or do you have a style component too?

tight spade
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[TUNE: ] IS vocal tempo for sure

tight spade
small obsidian
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Is there a way to get longer initial songs with instrumentals? I seem to get a wide range of lengths from 30 seconds to 4 minutes

neat nexus
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Right. I wasn't sure if this posting was the metatags or just discussion. I always try to use the code formatting to make it clear when I am using a metatag or not. So I wondered.

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Cool discussion though.

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Wish you luck in your explorations!

tight spade
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HA! [Tuning:] is for tuning the notes (of if you think about tuning a getar) lol

unique stone
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So what does it tune exactly? How does it know what note to tune?

tight spade
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you imput it

small obsidian
tight spade
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im not 100% sure but just processing it to see

stiff sable
charred merlin
unique stone
soft gyro
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Somebody should explain to me how the heck is it possible for an AI capable of composing, understanding, speaking, thinking etc (V 3.0) NOT to know that things in brackets are supposed to be instructions and NOT lyrics !!!! " [Chorus, duet together with a male voice] - how can the AI ignore brackets and sing "duet together with a male voice" ???
This belongs even in the kindergarden of programming...how the heck is this possible with AI !!!! ?????

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i dont think ive come across a suno track not in standard tuning but im somewhat curious now

i guess that would depend on the training data or whether its (somehow (and i still doubt how well it uses and understands metatags overall)) understanding a tuning that you enter, or its 'transposing' from what it understands from normal tuning into the new tuning

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like whether it could do meditation music in say A:432 which seems to be very common for that sort of thing

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versus a pop song

charred merlin
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LANDR isn't focusing on text-to-music, so it's a different use case, but I'm excited to see what all is available on their end 😄

tight spade
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id could share the songs

stiff sable
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do we know if the material suno trained with is purely audio based or whether it had access to tempo, key, genre classification etc at all? idk if thats ever been public but it would be curious to know...

small obsidian
untold briar
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Like how the hamster pointed out, 440hz could very well be associated with so many specific songs just by metadata alone that it might "miss the forest for the trees" and only recognize that they all sound in tune, opposed to being specifically taught to access something like a song-side API to analyze each track, or to build a neural network about how the songs relate in those senses

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Like, it's super smart, and has been taught a lot of musical terminology, but without being able to access specific quantizable data, it might just be "vibing" instead of "feeling", if that makes sense?

stiff sable
tight spade
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Here you go another one [metronome: ] <<<<<<<<< just testing

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think music

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whats the Highest i can logically go with bpm for a son

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tried 2000

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nothing but 200 bpm is working

untold briar
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Not really. There are some programming like syntax things that work in Bark, but they are pretty simple. One example is the "|" character will prompt Bark for a voice switch, as in a dialog between two people, instead of one voice. Well sometimes it sounds like a person talking to themselves, but it does still sound like a dialog. Another simple one is something like Markdown quote syntax "> >" this isn't reliable like a pipe, but can produce overlapping voices or at least voices with unusual timings. This also works a little bit in Suno music. Stacking tags in Bark like [music][music] to make it stronger is also similar. But raw XML probably less useful than simple [brackets] (and brackets in Bark are extremely super hit or miss)

tight spade
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[metronome: 190bpm] or what ever

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works

unique stone
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I'm going to make a wild guess that the "XML"-like tagging demonstrated earlier could just be getting used to indicate which part of the prompt is the style, which part is the lyrics etc. Maybe it uses something like this internally to just keep everything contained.

untold briar
stiff sable
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i agre

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just trying [TONIC: ] or and [Tonicchord: ]

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well thats funny i was called a sk ank

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bugged out lol

untold briar
austere dragon
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Is anything being done about the voice gender issue? I posted something last night, but no one responded. It's starting to feel like a scam to make me spend credits.

charred merlin
# tight spade works

Gonna have to disagree? Do you have examples? I just made 4 different examples and none of them are bpm 190

tight spade
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put [male]

austere dragon
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☝️

tight spade
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every where

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it does

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look at my prompts

charred merlin
austere dragon
# tight spade it does

it does it... I have it for every stanza and chorus on some songs, and I still get women.

charred merlin
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Tell me what I could have done differently in these examples to achieve [bpm:190], please?

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I'm going to add more to the playlist with [metronome: 190bpm] in the style prompt section as well

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If I'm not using the right prompts, please provide an example that works for you 🙏

untold briar
# austere dragon Is anything being done about the voice gender issue? I posted something last nig...

If it's a Clip 1, you can stack tags "country, banjo, male, male, heartfelt, male" in the style tag. If you repeat too much it probably messes up the lyrics, but you can repeat quite a bit.

If no matter what you prompt you always get the same gender, then might be something in the prompt itself and/or the genre itself. You can use a different prompt just to get the right gender voice, the Extend It from just a few seconds with your real prompt/genre.

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In addition to "male" other style tags that imply a male voice like "baritone" can work. But they probably also push the music style a little bit towards classical-ish.

austere dragon
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its in hrz not bpms

untold briar
# austere dragon with only 120 characters to use, this seems to be a bad practice for Suno to rel...

I agree longer style prompts would be a nice feature but you may have noticed Suno hallucinates a lot as you push that style super long, and I think that's the main reason. I think I suggested something like a "proceed with this style prompt at your risk" feature for users like myself who want to push the limit. I'll take this discussion on overloaded "male" style prompts to post this classic:

https://suno.com/song/ffef0b04-f078-43e0-9b4d-5dd7276bb3e6

Too Much "MALE" = A Very Maley Christmas by @jonathanfly | Suno

male, country, male, male, male, male, male, male, male, male, male, male song. Listen and make your own with Suno.

▶ Play video
tight spade
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this helps exsplain

charred merlin
# tight spade this helps exsplain

The easiest way to explain is for you to share whatever code snippet or prompt that you find reliably gives you the bpm/hz that you want

tight spade
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i will just a min

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im trying to break suno with it

wraith hornet
charred merlin
wraith hornet
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oh thanks, i see... so its ok if i erase suno of my discord?

charred merlin
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If you still have the chat with the Suno Chirp Bot open, you should be able to listen to your old songs, but all of the music generation is done on the website or app now

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Yup, you don't need to keep the bot, but I'm not sure what the process would be for getting those songs back if you wanted to save any of them later. thunk

wraith hornet
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ok, thank a lot for the help!

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i will then explore the website 😄

charred merlin
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Personally, I'd keep it as a neat thing to show your friends in a couple of years when Suno is the next big thing 😛 You'll feel like a hipster because you were in on the ground floor

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😎

wraith hornet
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XD XD haha thats sounds interesting... will keep it then XD

charred merlin
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"Yeah, I know that our personal AI cat-drone can read our minds and sing to us, but check this out, I used Suno back when you had to beg a discord robot to try to guess what you wanted." 🤣

charred merlin
soft gyro
# untold briar Mainly because the AIs don't use simple rules, so there is no simple fix. It's s...

well, your answer is not logical nor correct. 1st, I talk about a specific task: making music and not about knowing everthing in the world correctly. This is a task even a fly could manage. And in this special case, the AI knows already the RULES: the music instructions come in brackets. This is a rule! Is not the open universe. So somebody should teach the AI this: "well budy, if some user put words in the brackets which are not instructions, please ignore them! " Problem solved. If the AI is more stupid than 3 lines of code in C, than something went very wrong !
Is the AI is so stupid, than let a script remove first the wrong words in the brackets which are not instructions.

charred merlin
stiff sable
# soft gyro well, your answer is not logical nor correct. 1st, I talk about a specific task:...

i mean ... as an example, ive made a custom gpt before and given it a strict set of rules to follow and it sometimes still doesnt follow those... so you can tell it whatever but it doesnt necessarily mean it'll follow it 100% of the time if its influenced by other noise and data that its picking from in its dataset (considering you are feeding more than just that one single rule to the AI at a time)

charred merlin
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I'm legit making this a thing

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out of my way suno

soft gyro
stiff sable
charred merlin
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Or just wait a couple of weeks, I'm working on adding .wav export for FlyComposer

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omg, maybe grabby was actually right. Look how quick I could do that using AI -- how much harder can it be to teach it specifically what I mean by different genres and vocal timbres? </playful ribbing>

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v3.5 CRAVES musical cohesion. I added some weather effects tracks to #1256301881966198805 , and both v2 tracks kept with the weather intro, 1/2 v3 tracks added music a little bit into the extension, and both v3.5 tracks quickly went to badass metal

untold briar
stiff sable
rose jasper
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The new suggestions added into Create (Need ideas?) is good, but would it be possible to add customised categories in the future? Has there been any talks about this?

Given more freedom for the creativity of people.

stiff sable
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i'll have to see if i can find it but back in v3, probably hundreds of pages deep in my library now, i was messing with some metal + metalcore stuff and one of the best tracks it made began with the sound of an absolutely gargantuan metal ... object? pipe? sheet? being dropped? smashed? ... something like that. gave me a good chuckle.

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not quite the metal i asked for

charred merlin
urban wing
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i need help! i need to cancel a second account i made by accident using my phone number so i can add my phonenumber to my orginal account

charred merlin
charred merlin
urban wing
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thank you!

charred merlin
hollow hare
charred merlin
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It's like the Suno-version of Custom GPTs

rose jasper
hollow hare
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Ah, understandable

charred merlin
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100% ; I always think of my mom as a "use-case canary-in-the-coalmine" -- she can be stubborn when learning new things (whiz once she gets the swing of it, to her credit) , but if there's a large enough pain/friction point in the process that she wouldn't care about the result, then I like to brainstorm different ways that it could be simplified so she could get the most out of it, without it taking away from how intermediate>advanced users interact with Suno.

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Simple Mode by itself can be too vague or generic at times, and some people might have an idea of what song they want, but for whatever reason they aren't sure how to phrase it.

The new UI addon is essentially Mad-Libs for Suno. ❤️ 🙏

urban wing
charred merlin
urban wing
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oh wow so on the accounts subscriptions page i'll check thanks !

charred merlin
urban wing
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its just that account is glitched since it was created by accident

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the accounts/account page and profile do not show up properly

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i'll wait for a moment and see if i can find that link though cause i already asked you avbout this exact issue before

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suno was under heavy load at the time so their email was late and maybe discarded