📚┃suno-school

[charred merlin]

Got sidetracked there 😛

Larger video uploads was the kicker that got me into it, but also checking out some of the new options that servers can have when they're boosted. Trying to test out some bot stuff, checking out what's possible with webhooks, etc.

Dear lord that's a nice CPU setup. tbh, I think that's the first dual CPU setup I've "seen in the wild" -- do you get any hiccups or are there any considerations to be made? I'm not exceptionally hardware & architecture-savvy as of yet, but I would imagine that some underoptimized software might run at weird timings or have glitches if there's 2 cpus trying to handle a single threaded task? Or is that SUCH a basic consideration that the OS just handles it implicitly?

Crazy just how much more suited GPUs are to this type of work when even that sort of CPU rig gets left in the dust

[violet relic]

Has Suno any plans to be available in the Google Play Store?

[charred merlin]

#📢┃announcements message
stay tuned for Android, a global rollout, and a lot of fun updates soon

[frank bridge]

how "upload audio" work?

[cold zenith]

moi oui, je suis un fils de marianne

hello everybody, i got a question. In the last part of my song, i would like to put a "choir", i put it in style and in [gospel choir] in the text, but after 5 generations, it doesn't give it. Is there an other solution ?

feels like, if i never put it in the beginning, it's difficult to put it after

[radiant lake]

I succeeded, I received the points credit👍

[alpine monolith]

Is it just me for is the ai just always ignoring the first verse

like I can label it with [Intro] or [Verse] but it does not care

[molten solar]

can someone help me achieve a certain style?
I tried generating something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Hql34kytQ
but ended up getting a pop song like this
https://suno.com/song/8de9f8a0-e3c3-4e05-9d36-42037a5c69d0

[elder dune]

So I've got another one. Consider the following scenario: I've got a nice 4 minute generation that I mostly like, but the AI goes off the rails and screws up the last verse and/or the chorus. I can still salvage the track by extending from a good spot before the screw-up, and re-entering the remaining lyrics from that point and still get a good song. Yay! But now, in the Full Song, the lyrics from all the parts have just been concatenated together and don't match what's actually in the track. I wonder if there's a way to clean that up and edit the lyrics text in the final song? I haven't been able to find such a thing, but it would be cool

[charred merlin]

After selecting a 6-60s audio clip to submit to Suno, it shows up in your library like the other songs -- you can then extend from that clip and select what style prompts or lyrics / metatags to include in the new generation.

If the uploaded audio has a solid enough musical theme, it will be easier for the extension to continue the style and make cohesive modifications to it.

[charred merlin]

I normally have no issue getting Suno to sing what I want, but I don't try to handle the entire song in one generation -- I usually start with the first verse and try to find a generation that starts off promising and extend from that -- I find the AI gets confused less often when I give it less to think about all at once.

[charred merlin]

They just added that, I believe everyone has the ability to edit the lyrics that display on the Suno website, and paid users can regenerate the video to fix what shows in the videos.
#🚀┃updates message and the post below it

[radiant lake]

Can I send you a link to the first song I made just now?

[charred merlin]

Of course! I'm glad that you're able to make songs again 😄 It feels like it takes forever when waiting for credits to refresh!

[elder dune]

Thanks man! I saw that regenerate video option but didn't realize it would let me do that as well. I'll give it a try soon!

[radiant lake]

https://suno.com/song/88a62334-27b6-4657-92ac-52d5a2a3e20b

[elder dune]

While I'm on a kick here, you know what else would be cool? The ability to separate an extension from its 'parent tracks' ., ie: you get a 'part 3' that's a real banger all on its own and you want to start a new song from it without parts 1 and 2, so you click this option and boom, you've got a new part 1 or whatever it's called.

[charred merlin]

"Sound of Summer" -- that synth-drum fill and melody at 1:09 makes me feel like I'm driving in a convertible car with the roof down 😎 🤘

[radiant lake]

That's right, it's very beautiful

Here's a song I published today on YouTube, https://youtu.be/L5-vWLoDC4s?si=u58oh5dh9GXqnPvm

[elder dune]

Makes me feel like I'm back in middle school in the 1980s haha. Which is awesome.

[radiant lake]

Thanks

[hollow adder]

can i have more information on average hour users online

[charred merlin]

?

[hollow adder]

o-o is this like

a question back

[charred merlin]

Yeah sorry, I wasn't quite sure what you were asking me -- like if that information is online somewhere? Looking back at it, do you mean how many users are using Suno at any given moment?

[hollow adder]

Like on the mainpage it should even say "21412539721359" people are on suno right now
"92844281" are on the create page, etc.

😏

[charred merlin]

Oh, you could post that idea on #🚧┃suggestions-layout?

[charred merlin]

I'm not a dev, just an alpha tester who tries to help people out ❤️

[hollow adder]

I also figured out a solution that will stop people from cheating on clicks-plays if anyone exists who does this

Suno doesn't have a feature implemented that prevents it

[hollow adder]

but i feel like it doesn't want to implement it for some users

Like i think something fishy is going on here.

[charred merlin]

Oh cool! Another great idea for #🚧┃suggestions-layout , they might reach out if they like the idea 🙂

[rose jasper]

Are we aware of any smarts ways, to make a short pause on the prompts?

Like a 1-3 second pause

[charred merlin]

While possible, it might be a bit of a crapshoot trying only using prompts.

If I gather, you want to completely stop all sound for a couple beats and then resume after the "dramatic pause"?

[rose jasper]

I want to make a phrase like this for example:
Come sit beside me tonight (flow)
Come sit (flow)
(pause)
Beside
(pause)
Me
(pause)
Tonight

Do we have any sort of function like this, to bring empahize to certain keywords

[charred merlin]

...this feels oddly serendipitous, seeing as how I made a playlist examining ways of doing exactly that.
https://suno.com/playlist/41d7b3f6-c779-468c-83b8-b9ceb10ba065

[rose jasper]

Ooooh!

[charred merlin]

Just last night.

I found good results with the "separate" method, using natural language prompting and presenting the gaps as separate sentences.

Let me know if you have any other prompting methods that you'd like me to try, or any quirks or variations of the prompts you'd like me to try out.

I'm eating the cost of the experimentation so people don't need to use their own credits if they have an idea they'd like to see demonstrated.

[rose jasper]

The seperation was exactly what I was after

https://suno.com/song/4899a769-0c5b-42f8-ba1c-e7668ecfa60f

This was my desired outcome, with the seperations

[mystic flume]

What is the significance of your curly brackets in {separate} and {command}?

[charred merlin]

Just trying to help accentuate the keywords, wasn't aware there was a short limitation on the playlist description, so I wasn't able to be as visually informative as I wanted to be :\

[mystic flume]

Now you can go in after the fact and actually change what's in the lyrics. So you could write up a little summary for each one, etc.

[charred merlin]

The "please don't let me fix you" part was what you were going for, right?

[mystic flume]

If I could offer one bit of feedback, the curly brackets are a tad confusing. So a bit more explanation would be helpful.

[rose jasper]

Exactly, the seperation really helped

[charred merlin]

Your feedback is not only welcomed, but insisted upon. 💜 I maxed out the available characters, but I'll try to find some way to reapproach it for readibility

[mystic flume]

I think the lyrics will give you plenty of room. But it seems like the takeaway is the Commands did not work even once, right?

[charred merlin]

😄 I'm stoked that worked for you so quickly!

Even being familiar with the method, it can feel rather unwieldly without being able to clearly specify the length of the pauses in between. I figured that it would require placing an extension point right before the gap & still rolling a few different generations to find the gaps that best fit your expectations, but I'm glad putting the playlist together was able to be helpful so early!

[charred merlin]

Ooooh, that's a good idea -- if I can't fit everything into the playlist description, I can use a "song" and the lyric section to explain everything

[charred merlin]

And yeah, every command generation explicitly says "wait 2 seconds"

[rose jasper]

This is such a huge change to my way of making songs, I truly appreicate that it was this simple, made three songs already

[willow rune]

I have a question

[charred merlin]

Feel free to suggest any other types of stuff you want me to experiment with for another playlist 🙂

[charred merlin]

What's up?

[willow rune]

I don't have a subscription but can I still download the music if I keep it for myself?

[charred merlin]

Absolutely ❤️

The caveats only really kick in if you share the song publically outside of the Suno platform

[willow rune]

Thank you !

[rare venture]

What does regenerate video do?

[hollow hare]

Basically makes a new video with your latest image cover and edited lyrics (mentioned in the first paragraph at #🚀┃updates message )

[rare venture]

The option to edit lyrics does not appear

[hollow hare]

You need to go to the song's lyric page and the option will appear at the very bottom (as per the instructions at #🚀┃updates message )

[rare venture]

just in app?\

[charred merlin]

My picture is from the website

[hollow hare]

I am using the web version. You need to go to the /song/ page

[rare venture]

I found

thx

so, can i change de lyrics and image, just this?

Doesn't this change my music?

[charred merlin]

Correct, music stays the same.

Paid plans have the option to "regenerate video", which still keeps the song the same, but allows you to update the lyrics that show in the downloaded /discord embedded videos

[hollow hare]

No, your music stays the same. As mentioned in the post I linked to you earlier, it is just a visual change

[rare venture]

thx

[sharp stone]

suno be doing some real weird shit again lately. i just got a nude woman and a man for a thumbnail

[lime sundial]

Is there no way to force Suno to respect lyrics ?

I tried some simple songs with basic structure, like

[Intro]
Xah Xah 
Xah Xah 

[Chorus]
Dah Dah
Dah Dah

[Verse 1]
Blah blah
Blah blah

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]
Bleh bleh
Bleh bleh

[Chorus]

...

[Verse 8]
Bleh bleh
Bleh bleh

[Outro]
Meh Meh 
Meh Meh 

... and often have a verse repeated, one modified, the chorus changing after a few occurrences, etc.

Having extras after the ending feels acceptable, since I can cut it, but having things like part of a verse replaced with words from another just ruins the song.
(I use custom generation on free plan)

Did I miss something ?

[sharp stone]

would be happy to know, too. making the AI sound better apparently goes at the cost of it not doing what you tell it to do - for now (i hope)

[charred merlin]

Yes -- don't try to tackle the entire song's worth of lyrics at once. You're giving a juggler 50 balls to juggle at once, then getting frustrated when they drop some of them.

Create the intro and chorus, then after you're satisfied with that, place an extension point onto it and focus on verse 1 and the second chorus, repeat ad nauseum until you have your desired song.

The more specific of a song you have in mind, the less likely you are to achieve it in a "one-shot generation".

[warped furnace]

I fill up the lyrics box to the brim. 😁 Sometimes it still happens that a verse or a chorus are repeated (mostly in faster songs when there aren't enough lyrics cause the 3 K word limit). There was a problem with [bridge], too. The AI kept repeating the song after this tag (at least in three of my songs). I renamed it [interlude]. This resolved the problem for me.

[polar spade]

On one hand I'd like to think I arrange songs well. On the other hand, I'm surprised when suno does an arrangement that I hadn't considered. So yea, I'd like a toggle that let's suno do the first run, then I can go back in and edit to either my arrangement or a combo of both.

But I'm in agreement, it's tiring to have a great song only to have , say, the second verse get repeated elsewhere.

[polar spade]

You're right I think. "Interlude" helped to gate the occurrence of lines getting repeated. Or worse, combining words from different lines to make whole new sentences that don't make sense.

As a storyteller, it's hard to have a beginning middle and end in a song -- she lived, she loved, she died -- only to have her resurrected by hearing the first verse after the bridge. Lol.

[lime sundial]

Thanks for the inputs
I'll try the extension mechanic, but it feels very weird to me that such basic needs can't be toggled (I did browse the known-suggestions and didn't find them here. Section was quite short, I must say 😅 )

Will do some more research, but yeah, this puzzles me a bit. I think most users would love to have more control over the "creativity" allowed

[warped furnace]

If it doesn't happen too soon in the song you can extend and try to right the mistake. Had one who didn't comply. Had to let it go, sadly. Sometimes it's hit or miss. 😁

[polar spade]

As they say, sometimes as songwriters, we have to "sacrifice off our own children"

[warped furnace]

Maybe use the search function in this section. Many users left good tips around here. But nothing is set in stone. It's AI. You can't expect exactly what you want. Often enough but not every time. We'll see, what the next version might bring. The last couple of days I had a really frustrating run with a song. Just to have a really nice one today. 🙂

[polar spade]

It bodes to sway me to try to write 4 minutes of lyrics, but I've tried so far and still suno will add so much repetition that my lyrics get abridged. It's all in the fun of creation though.

[mystic flume]

For some reason they didn't put it in the regular context menu, which is beyond silly. But nobody asks me when they design their UX.

[warped furnace]

I think, it depends what you want from the song. I write them with a full story behind them. More often than not I have much more lyrics (and style tags) than the possible 3 K. Wish they would allow more. The tags take a lot of space.

[polar spade]

I just wish we could command midstream to change music styles, or if not that, eventually have editing tools for splicing separate, songs, and trimming ends and middles. Just being able to trim off the end would solve 40% of my songs.

[warped furnace]

Yeah, those weird ending songs. First all is quiet then the track blows your ears away. 😬 😅

[polar spade]

Presently I'm focusing on jpop style so some with stories, some just bubblegum happy songs. Add in children songs, country, we'll yadda yadda... but I still try to sneak in a storyline in most all of it.

[icy rain]

Chat how can i get more of that haunted artifact-core gen-ai backrooms post-nominal-ending sound? I want it to be authentic glitch not consciously made.

[polar spade]

I've added [Fade out] with some success or it may be random. Not sure yet.

[icy rain]

you add that to make the song end at the nominal ending, and not make its cursed ai artifact audio after the end?

[polar spade]

I'm trying it more than [end]. I don't get a fade out, but it ends more often without the artifacts. I haven't kept stats, so may be hallucinating as well. Try and see if it works.

[icy rain]

just to be clear i want more of that weird glitchy shit, not less

[polar spade]

Oh. Haha....well then. You got me. Some of it is cool. Yes. I'll download some and trim it out and save for later.

[warped furnace]

Ah well. If I had known. Had a four minute track that sounded like Tibetan Throat Singing. 😂 Don't know what went wrong there. I get artifacts if there aren't enough lyrics and I have used [fade out]. The song does that but picks up after a couple of seconds. Often times with really weird noises.

[polar spade]

Just spitballing but keep extending the extensions. That might result in random artifacts. I use pro, so it's a bit more affordable to run extentions.

[icy rain]

ooh that's a good idea! 🙏

[modern belfry]

@hybrid arch I think we should be able to edit a song without generating a new one. That would be loads helpful. Many times I got the perfect sound and voice. But I messed up the spelling or got a great idea for something during the song to make it better. But now I have to either extend and thats a huge gamble, or make a new song cause of it.

[charred merlin]

Keep your eyes open for "inpainting" in a future model, to accomplish this exact request 🙂

[modern belfry]

example thats pretty funny. I had a banger of a song. Perfect in everything. Until I got to the guitar solo.. I accidently put " guitar solo] I didn't put the other bracket in lol. It was pretty funny tho. the Ai yelled guitar solo and kept on singing lolol but it really messed my song up and I had to almost start over cause of the small mistake lol

I try to. But mistakes happen lol

[icy rain]

I tried this and it made a two-second long continuation and refunded the continuation credits lol.

[modern belfry]

Ill keep an eye out for that lol

been having a blast with suno!

[charred merlin]

Remember back when we were forced to listen to the radio, or just accept what the top 40s decided we wanted to hear?

Yeah, me neither. Suno must have repressed those horrible memories 😛

[modern belfry]

musta been before I joined lol. I think may of this year for me

[mystic flume]

Amazing to think when I was a girl I would have a blank tape in the radio ready to hit record when my fave songs came on. We had all these mix tapes that missed the first 10-30 seconds of every song, but we didn't care.

[charred merlin]

I was being silly, meaning that since I've started using Suno, I haven't listened to the radio once.

Instead of listening to whatever pop song the radio decides I should listen to, I throw on something from Suno -- or just make a new song on the spot

[charred merlin]

Mad respect for the radio jockeys who would announce the next upcoming song so you had a chance to record on time

[charred merlin]

https://youtu.be/tKjZuykKY1I?t=121 So that's why they yell "Guitar!" before the solo -- it was just Suno's grandfather showing us what kinds of quirks we needed to get ready to inherit.

[modern belfry]

idk im a little drunk atm lol

I did make a song poking fun at these Instagram women who live these rich lives and what not lol

I called it Expensive

https://youtu.be/pLT3weUrrQw?si=4pixL9PSXMBEH1V2

[untold briar]

Just poke a song by Extending it past the ending, with no prompts in particular (but varying the times a lot). Often blank prompts. V3 or 3.5 usually fill dead air or prompts with soemething like music, or random chatter that is probably inspired by real songs that end by recording past the end of the song, or turn to completely silence. (Unlike V2 which will do no music, but still retain background ambience)
https://suno.com/song/211a92f2-abc7-4aa6-bb40-0a4529ff4972

[icy rain]

Thanks, I tried this but it gave only two or three seconds of silence, or maybe one sigh, and refunded the extension credits. Maybe there is another trick I could try?

[untold briar]

Don't prompt glitchy or creepy. To Suno, this isn't creepy. This is just the type of audio that might be included on a real song, after the end of the lyrics. It's the most plausible continuation when there are more no lyrics to sing, and the song hasn't ended. So it's not a creepy or glitch prompt!

[icy rain]

yes exactly, but i was continuing the style prompt that someone else wrote. i agree that i don't want to add glitchy or creepy into the style prompt.

it was just bad luck that they had it in there.

I didn't change the prompt at all. glitchy and creepy were there when I got there, they weren't words that I added.

[icy rain]

Are you suggesting to remove those words if they were present in the original style prompt?

[untold briar]

Oh, I didn't realize it that's where they came from. Kind of a grey area in that case, yeah

[icy rain]

I changed the prompt to not include them, but it still refuses to continue

[untold briar]

Where are you starting the Extend? Maybe try fully re-ending the song each time. If you start in non-music, especially if the audio already started to decrease in volume, it will usulaly just end quick. So at the very least have to back up that far. I would try original prompts, blank prompt, maybe add "field" to the prompt as well.

Keeping it going is probably not easy in 3.5. I had to right like crazy to keep tennis match audio going, which I think would be similar. It's frustrating because it can beautifully and plausible continue the tennis match audio, or the background chatter, it just doesn't like to.

[icy rain]

I was trying to extend this one https://suno.com/song/c94f2aef-2e75-45af-a2e8-ca0150f2d849 , but I'm not sure exactly what you mean by where am i starting the extend. Probably it's at the end of the song. I guess it's starting in non-music. When you say "field" do you mean put it in the style prompt or the lyric section? I assume style prompt but I'm not sure what it means.

btw that song wasnt made by me and it's not on my account

but i can still extend it

[untold briar]

Oh sorry, yeah I was using some shorthand.

I mean changing the Extend From time to keep backing up to try earlier times. First, backing up before the audio seems to start to fade or dip. Then, try backing up into the song itself, and re-ending it, literally reprompting the last verse or verses. (I would try this also with an empty style prompt)

By field I mean using a style prompt with the word "field" in it. The style word initially comes from "field-recording" which is a not a totally uncommon word used in music, and the full version may work too. In general it's a style word which makes recording sound less like studio recordings, high chance of background ambiance or sounds, or sounding like a live recording. And this indirectly includes higher chance of random non-musical chatter.

I don't know how to quickly find them, but this kind of thing isn't that uncommon on any song even with normal prompts, if you listen past the end of your lyrics. If you haven't checked your own library you may be surprised you already have more examples of this, but maybe you never bothered to skip all the way to the end of the clip because the clip wasn't good in other ways.

[icy rain]

ty i didn't know you could extend from specific times, but now I see it in the UI. also I didn't know that trick about field-recording style!

[untold briar]

Oh yeah, super important thing to vary. If you check the videos for my songs you'll see the in between segments are usually just labelled with times, and the times are constantly vary. I'm always changing the Extend From time between retries. It changes the output a lot!

[fallen zephyr]

What's the purpose of having "Upload Audio" option. I'm trying to create the song using the 1 min audio that I've uploaded, but the end result is same audio I've uploaded. I'm not getting the song that is influenced by the audio what i've uploaded. Can anyone help me how to properly use this "Upload Audio" option to create the song based on our original audio?

[teal raft]

Use less of your upload

Extend from, say, 30 seconds

Or even less, only use 15~ seconds of your upload

[polar spade]

Once you've uploaded the audio and have your "end result", then click menu of that audio and choose extend, along with lyrics of your choice to get an improvised new creation. As KakerMix adds, experiment with limiting what time stamp you extend from to get different results.

[teal raft]

The more of your upload you use the more Suno will stick to it

I tend to use ~15 seconds or less, depending

[polar spade]

^^^^^^agree

@teal raft Have they done away with the "clear" button in the Create panel? I'm clicking Home and bouncing about to try to eventually clear to default, when before I just click clear.

[teal raft]

uhh maybe? Probably? I never used it enough to notice it went missing

[untold briar]

Shortening the audio is the most straightfoward way. But if it's important to use the full minute, you can shorten an Extended Clip from the audio, change things up, then Get Whole Song, Then Extend again. or you can crank all your prompts up to 11, repeating style words, and lyrics [brackets], to try and overpower it.

[fallen zephyr]

So I should be a paid subscriber for this right? Till that my original uploaded audio only will be my end result I can't manipulate my uploaded audio to create new song. Am i right?

[marble patio]

is there a way to make suno generate a song where two people sing at the same time consistently?

[polar spade]

As I understand, it's available for all levels. 1. Click upload audio -- upload and verify. 2. Go to end result, click 3-dot menu and choose extend. 3. Click CREATE button to open the extend panel. Add lyrics and scroll down to check time stamp you want to extend from. 4. Click CREATE again and it should create a new song.

Or at this point. Start from your already uploaded audio. And go to step 2.

[fallen zephyr]

Thank you dasvon. One more query. Is there any possible to create a samples alone (I mean without any percussions), or is there any possible to get the track-outs of the song created.

[visual nimbus]

All tasks were completed successfully. However, there is a subprocess in your Bark perform code. Is this necessary?

And is there a way to speed up voice generation?

[hot trout]

So! After all of the great advice yesterday, I was finally able to get the song that kept getting weird additional generations of verses to work, thanks to extensions. Now I have a new question: Is it possible to get Suno to link all of the parts of the song together into one cohesive song within Suno? I know I can just string them together in Audacity (and I plan to) for sharing outside Suno, but I'd like to be able to share my stuff via Suno and the Discord as well, without the bizarre nonsense of expecting a potential listener to pause this song at this EXACT TIME STAMP, only to start another clip.

[wooden timber]

doesn't the "Get Whole Song" option do that already?

[hot trout]

I must be a moron...

I haven't seen it, but I bet that would do it, yeah.

LOL

[hot trout]

Okay, I'm REALLY not seeing it. I'm using the browser version. I have all four clips done. Can you tell me where it is? Tried opening up all the three dot menus I could find, but I'm just not getting there.

[untold briar]

The option will only appear on an Extension. So not clip 1. It has to say Clip 2, 3, etc

[wooden timber]

you need to do that to the latest extension you made

[hot trout]

Okay, thanks! Also, thanks to @untold briar for jumping in!

[round bobcat]

Regards.

What I recognized too is, that version 3.5 mostly does lame rock pop songs and ignores the styles which have worked perfectly in v3.

[untold briar]

This is an old post created when V3.5 launched, so may not be 100% accurate, but I'm sure much of it still helps:
I used a 3.0 prompt in 3.5 and I'm getting something more generic than the specific genre I asked for. What can I do?

#💬┃general-chat message

However, I will say V2 and V3.5 are much more different. It is simply often the case that V2 an V3/3.5 prompts are totally different, and you have to start over.

But if the problem is specifically getting generic rock/pop, I think a lot of those tips (dashes between compound words, repetition in style prompt) could help.

[round bobcat]

In v3 I entered the 'style of music' cinematic symphonic epic and got an epic cinematic song as epic and orchestral as in the Stellaris game of the King of the Lion movie and when I added male voice I got an epic singing like Elton John in Circle of Life and in 3.5 I mostly get a pop group drum kit and guitares. The male voice does not sing epic, but is more talking in stakkato. And text repeats in the end of line now sound like done by some pop song disco background girly chorus, but not like in a classical orchestral chorus Arggllll.... I wish, I could have model 3 with long songs and better audio quality!

[untold briar]

I think you may have some success with the tweaks I linked. If you don't, you can @ me on a later day and I'll help you with the prompts when I have some time.

[round bobcat]

Is it possible to turn off the function 'play similar songs'? It is totally annoying and irritating when a similar song starts to play, when my song has ended. If then, I would like to hear the next song in my own library and not the music of other people. This interrupts my workflow.

Regards.

[untold briar]

Not exactly. You can toggle this button and it will repeat the same song instead though.

[round bobcat]

Thanks for the fast answer. That is at least a smal rework to get rid of the other songs.

[untold briar]

You can suggest the change to turn off the similar songs entirely in the suggestions-browser feedback channel

[cold zenith]

There's a probleme if you continue from a certain seconde, you can loose the chorus the way they use to sing it...

[untold briar]

This can happen when you continue from a clip that doesn't have the chorus in it. If you haven't tried using "Get Whole Clip" on before extending the clip, that could put the chorus back into the song "memory" if it's within 2 minutes.

[cold zenith]

Thx for the tip 😭 I just waste 400 for this

[cold zenith]

Do you know why the ai would skip a whole part like 2 verse ?

[untold briar]

Hard to guess. Sometimes it is just bad luck. But usually with lyric problems in general, if they happen on Extensions multiple times, the first thing to try is changing the Extend From time and slowly backin up further in the song. The problem may be in the Clip you are extending from, and changing your prompt will make little difference, so you have to change the Extend From time.

[round bobcat]

Thank you. Repeating the same style description seems to work. I will do some experimenting with doubling and tripling, etc. Now I only have the fix the voice of the singer. Are there any new 'secret' tags to influence the singers voice?

[charred merlin]

Not a moron -- as highlighted by the fact that you're taking it upon yourself to experiment and learn. ❤️

Excited to see what you can put together now that you're getting familiar with more of the options and methods available within Suno!

[charred merlin]

There's lot of suggestions, and people will have specific prompts that work better than others-- my 2 cents is to keep in mind that style prompts and metatags can overpower one another, so careful "stacking" of them still applies, even if you have a really strong prompt

"a cappella" is great for getting only vocals, as it's a strongly weighted classical music term, but if you overload it with "heavy trap" "glitch rap", etc, you're probably still going to get a beat along with the vocals.

[untold briar]

That is a deeper and more complicated topic. I don't know any easy answers. I like to start from style prompts that have a lot of chaos and try to find a good voice, then Extend From the clip with a small voice sample with real lyrics.

In general, remember you don't have to get a good voice at the same time you prompt your real song. You can 'search' for a voice using a wide variety of prompts (including lyrics just used to try and get a good voice) and then Extend From the clip with just a tiny bit of the voice. When V3 came out a lot of voices had reverb or choir effects, and I made this song to show that workflow. I had a good voice in a morse-code-chaos prompt, and Extended it into a regular song:

https://suno.com/song/5367e210-df88-49be-bbf0-07c664dc509c

[shut moat]

can you extend songs by just enough to get an outro to the song? https://suno.com/song/9df9bfd4-177c-496f-87eb-69cb0631b52e

[round bobcat]

Hahaha... No! I avoid rap styles and simular at any costs. 🙂

[shut moat]

like i just need about 20 seconfs more to get the fade out.

[charred merlin]

I used rap as an example, but the "overpowering" or weighting should still apply 🙂

[shut moat]

or i guess I could fade it out manually.

[untold briar]

Oh, remember to brows other Suno songs to find good prompts. Faster and cheaper than using your own credits.

[shut moat]

does suno know traditional instruments?

[charred merlin]

I only find that the AI skips the lyrics when I give it a lot of lyrics at once.

By breaking the requests sent to Suno into smaller, more managable chunks, I'm able to better control the output of lyrics.

Using structure metatags like [verse 1], [chorus] doesn't give Suno an explicit instruction to follow, it helps give a suggestion as to whether or not the different stanzas should sound/feel different from one another, and MAY serve to act as a "callback" for specific melodies -- but it's all a suggestion to Suno, and not code.

[round bobcat]

Maybe I will rip the voice of an old of my Suno songs. 🙂

[shut moat]

I like to translate word walls into a more simple language then back into the language I want it in.

[prisma dew]

why so hard get duet song, i just waste 2000 only get a few duet song 😭

[charred merlin]

Place an extension point where you want to start the fadeout, but instead of the existing style prompts or metatags -- strip everything out, and only leave "fadeout", "studio-fadeout", "end", "goodbye", "that's all folks", "nope" etc.

[untold briar]

Oh yeah, Upload works well too. You can download any clip with a good voice, choose a small sample of voice, and Upload it. (Although this may prevent the song from becoming public on Suno website.)

[charred merlin]

I talked about this with Paimon (think in this channel?) last night

[charred merlin]

I'd love to figure out with more reliability what Suno recognized in terms of instruments. I'm still determined to prompt a Kazoo on demand, so I'll keep trying.

[shut moat]

it doesn't know indonesian tradional instuments, but if you describe them then it kinda works.

like wooden fluts compared to saying flute which would generate brass flute sounds.

but Surile, it doesn't know what it is, which it's a flute made from bamboo

now that i have made the extension I suppose i need to clip them together elsewhere?

[round bobcat]

At least I got a quite epic sound with 3 repetition and one relativly usuable voice, which is a lot of improvement.https://suno.com/song/3d63afcf-3ea4-4464-93e2-3ee40e5b4fb3

[shut moat]

damn...it doesn't know what a hurdy gurdy is, or a wheel fiddle

maybe slide fiddle will work

[charred merlin]

Hyphenating makes the world of difference

[round bobcat]

Yes, a list of known istruments would ne nice too. Looks like Suno knows piano and strings at least. 😉

[charred merlin]

"Slide fiddle" might be interpreted as "fiddle music, but also with the stylistic theme of 'slide'"

[round bobcat]

CU later for know

[cold zenith]

THX BRO

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message
Here's a comment that might be helpful in showing how the AI might interpret different prompts, and how to modify them in order to find the best results you're looking for

Often times if you have a specific idea of what you want, you'll likely still need to "roll a few generations" to get something close to what you imagined, but instead of being like the people who get upset about having spent 1000 credits by trying the same thing over and over to no avail, each twist you make on your existing small collection of style prompts, you get THAT much more familiar with the product, building up your "suno-to-english" mental translating dictionary.

[shut moat]

https://suno.com/song/fb380860-de33-4b29-9d84-ae07cf7fd151

this is the closest i can get to a slide on a guitar but it honestly sounds more like harmonics.

[shut moat]

im not upset about the amount of credits I'm spending, Im still learning and that's the price of learning.

experiments in Midjourney cost me minimum, 20 hours of my GPU time.

it's gonna be no different in Suno.

[crimson ravine]

Hey everyone, are the chirp and bark bots still working? I can't seem to access the commands or channels

[charred merlin]

I was intending to phrase it as a takeaway for others who might have felt that way previously -- I apologize if I phrased it as if it was personally directed, more an open comment tagged onto specific advice 😅 ❤️

[charred merlin]

Bots have been discontinued -- Chirp is now https://www.suno.com , and bark has been open-sourced so you can run it for free locally https://github.com/suno-ai/bark

[shut moat]

Most of my prompts are phrases that are diametrically opposed to each other.

[crimson ravine]

Understood, thank you!

[shut moat]

can you put enough things that don't go together until, that chaos becomes a sort of harmony.

[crimson ravine]

They probably need to update their docs lol

[charred merlin]

The discord has definitely established itself as predominantly Suno-leaning, but there's still chat about Bark (though it's a dedicated group of individuals with "tribal knowledge")

Yeah, updated official documentation hasn't been implemented yet, people are using https://www.suno.wiki as community-sourced info, but absolutely it would help to make a note of that

https://suno-ai.notion.site/FAQs-b72601b96de44e5cacd2cd6baa985448 I guess this is the official documentation

[noble pier]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[rose jasper]

I'm really skyrocketing with the quality now @charred merlin , truly appreciate all the support you have given, as well I would like to thank @wet minnow & @untold briar for the excellent support I've received so far!

[charred merlin]

🤘

[unkempt tiger]

how can i use chirp bot?

[charred merlin]

Bots have been discontinued -- Chirp is now https://www.suno.com/ , and bark has been open-sourced so you can run it for free locally https://github.com/suno-ai/bark

[mellow gust]

Please can you tell me how to make sure that the tempo of the music is strong in the middle. Pure Instrumental, without singers.

I want to get closer in tempo like for example: Sentinel Complex - Dystroyer.

But I'm getting some kind of bullshit, or does Suno not do this genre?

https://suno.com/song/4036519f-d29e-4ce8-bc38-e606348239de

[viral moss]

So trending is, like, broken, right?
Theres fkin 6 or 7 songs by Joshuasca up there right now, and a playlist of his.

I've been seeing this happen a lot. someone will release a bunch of songs at once, and then trending gets flooded with them

[charred merlin]

You can't guarantee it like "commands", Suno interprets prompts as suggestions.

From what I can see, this was made as a one-shot generation, with the style prompts "dark atmospheric cyberpunk" -- while you might consider it "some kind of bullshit", in Suno's ears (and mine as well), this would count as "dark atmospheric cyberpunk", whereas a generation with happy acoustic guitar would be "some kind of bullshit" given what you'd asked.

If you have an idea of where you'd like the song to pick up, place an extension point a few seconds before that point & use your style prompts and metatags as suggestions to help "nudge it" in the direction of what you're looking for.

The more specific of a song you have in mind, the less likely you are to achieve it as a "one-shot generation."

[charred merlin]

It's definitely acting differently than it used to -- it seems like instead of taking longform trending into consideration, some users are able to spam their content across multiple channels, very frequently, and "farm listens", which seems to overpower any attempts at diversification the Trending Algorithms are taking into consideration.

[strange canopy]

chirp

chirp

[teal raft]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1260045620538904628 Bumping this #1252257127326548028 suggestion for visibility about reapproaching how content is shared on a ~400k user server

[mellow gust]

I didn't understand how to do this, but I have to choose "True" everywhere, that I want instrumental

[charred merlin]

Have you used this button before?

If NO, please tell me what time you want your song to sound different. (normal speed from start > 2 minutes, then FAST)
https://suno.com/song/4036519f-d29e-4ce8-bc38-e606348239de this song

[strange canopy]

chirp

[cerulean steeple]

The bot's been eliminated. Go to https://suno.com to. generate

[strange canopy]

chirp

[mellow gust]

Hmm, I tried, it turned out better, but the music was cut from 3:56 to 2:00. As I understand it, you need to sew for generations?

[charred merlin]

No More Bots, sorry

Bots have been discontinued -- Chirp is now https://www.suno.com/ , and bark has been open-sourced so you can run it for free locally https://github.com/suno-ai/bark

[strange canopy]

chirp

[teal raft]

chirp is no longer available

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[cerulean steeple]

Hello. Maybe i don't quite understand but how do i make suno to «take inspiration» from an uploaded song? Is it all related to the "extend" button?

[charred merlin]

Please read our messages ❤️

[charred merlin]

🤖 🚫

[teal raft]

Currently it doesn't work like that. Your upload will be the first part of your final song

If you upload a song, use 15 seconds of it, the first 15 seconds of your Suno song will be the upload

[cerulean steeple]

Then just "extend" for now. Okay. thanks. I thought there was some hidden button that do "remix" or so 😅

[charred merlin]

Yes, v3 can make 1 minute extensions, v3.5 can make 2 minute extensions.

If a song says "part 2", "part 3", etc, you can choose "Get Whole Song" to hear all of the parts together (does not cost any credits!)

[charred merlin]

Not quite yet, but hopefully one day 🤞 🙂

"Reimagine Audio" would be QUITE the fun tool to play around with!

[mellow gust]

I did not know about it. Thank you

[charred merlin]

One last helpful tip -- very different results if you extend from the full song, or if you extend from another extension.

How the extension sounds depends VERY largely on the clip you're extending from -- imagine you want to make another extension (lets call it Part 3) after the new clip with a faster tempo you just made (Part 2);

Extending from Part 2 (which has a faster tempo) will likely result in an extension that feels like a continuation of Part 2 because it only can see Part 2 "in it's memory", so Part 3 would likely be fast tempo only.

If you "Get Whole Song" on Part 2, then create Part 3 as an extension of the new "Full Song", Part 3 takes ALL of it as guidance, and might slip back into the earlier tempo, or it might remember certain melodies that only showed up at the beginning.

This way, your song sounds more "cohesive" as it recalls motifs and draws from previous musical passages, instead of being an "ever-shifting narrative" that doesn't offer "musical resolution" or a "scaffolding" to build upon.

Not all songs need this structure or consideration, some of the best don't have patterns (Bohemian Rhapsody), but it's all a part of practicing and applying musical theory ❤️

[mellow gust]

ufff, it's necessary to read the instructions and try it. But the result is already closer to what I wanted to achieve.

[charred merlin]

If I understand, you found it helpful to break the song down into smaller parts -- yes?

[mellow gust]

yes yes. That's what I needed

[cerulean steeple]

yeah 😂 Although i like the upload feature already since i finally can extend some unknown songs (even Shazam says «sorry bro i dont know») that i have but cut version

[charred merlin]

Admittedly, it's frustrating when Suno is able to get so close to a perfect song by itself -- but this way we can keep all of the good content and make the song sound EXACTLY the way we want, instead of spending MANY credits and ignoring all of the results because they weren't 100%.

After thinking about "making your own songs" in this way instead of letting Suno "take the wheel", you might listen to old songs you've made any find some really cool intros that you can re-use to jumpstart your next big song ❤️

I hope to hear your "magnum opus" one day 🙂

[charred merlin]

I know we're only allowed to upload audio that we 100% own the rights to, but you just made me think about "the most mysterious song on the internet", and how Suno might imagine the rest of it sounds 😅

[cerulean steeple]

😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️

[mellow gust]

Yes, I did just that, wasted all the Credits. It’s a pity I can’t save the beginning and process the other part. Many points are achieved. But on the other hand, you can radically change the music.

[charred merlin]

Woodhouse gets angry if media is shared within 10 seconds

We need to wait for the old man each time or he thinks we're spamming 😛

[mellow gust]

)

https://suno.com/song/91bfc7f4-e47d-48da-b18b-f95132de069e

and

https://suno.com/song/efb26d97-b2c5-4dc7-8e05-69e948b3c0cc

[charred merlin]

Yes! Thank you @flint haven 🍪

[charred merlin]

Unless the video gets regenerated using the new option for paid users, you can see where the extension points were added by watching the video and seeing where the picture changes. I find you can learn a LOT about how a song was created by recognizing when they decided to change something in the song (might have been a part they didn't like had just started, or a part they loved was starting to change, takes some detective work, experimentation, and musical instinct).

If you watch the Suno videos from my friend @naive quail, sometimes there are so many extensions/changes in the picture, it's almost as if you're watching a full-on movie! 😛 ❤️ Sometimes a lot of credits go into making a song sound exactly the way you want, sometimes it happens in "one-shot" -- as long as it sounds good to you 🙂

[charred merlin]

These sound really cool! Not to drown you in messages, but here is an older post I made that shows how hyphenating words can make Suno think about them differently -- I find myself hyphenating most prompts to ensure they're considered part of the same idea instead of "separate words" #📚┃suno-school message

For instance, Suno could read "Pop Punk" and interpret it as "Kylie Minogue-style pop music, but maybe with a distorted guitar?", while "pop-punk" MIGHT help it understand that I mean "Blink-182".

Even then, if it doesn't understand "pop-punk" as I understand it, it's not solely a failing on Suno's part, but a challenge to me to rephrase my idea ("emotional-punk", "melodic-vocals", "simple-harmony")

[naive quail]

I've a decent success rate at one-shotting songs with vocals, but I've given up trying with rock/metal instrumentals. Suno just doesn't want to adhere to song structures with those

I did an extension for every song structure element with this one (intro, verses, chorus, bridge, breakdown, etc): https://suno.com/song/a70f96f3-9c8e-41d0-a016-53808b4b50d2

there's every extension, as well as my merge points

[charred merlin]

Looking at this amount of dedication to submit an entry to a community-driven contest (https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1257836451895447652 shoutout to @humble pawn), I find it silly that someone could write off the resulting song as "unoriginal" simply because it was made collaboratively with human-driven use of Generative AI.

This is a musician, expressing himself through a new form of instrument.

[naive quail]

heh. it certainly took a few credits

My brain still struggles to feel any ownership over these, though

[safe hazel]

The two songs I got from one of my prompts are like, nearly identical. That seems....like it should be highly unlikely to happen....

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.com/terms

[naive quail]

I find that the pairs often have a similar sound; occasionally VERY similar

[mellow gust]

I am glad to have any information, thank you. And then I spent the whole week, I didn't understand what I was doing wrong.

[charred merlin]

I understand it -- you're a tactile dude. You have multiple hand-carved wooden instruments including a 6+ foot Digeridoo at your work office -- not even counting what you keep at home.

You don't need to worry about it, I'll consider them yours for you. 😛

[naive quail]

It's extendable!

[charred merlin]

Jokes aside, I'm struggling with the same issues myself as a traditional musician -- would you at least concede that you feel a stronger sense of ownership over The Legacy of Woodhouse song than you do over a one-shot generation?

[naive quail]

Possibly? Probably. It still feels kinda curating a VERY custom playlist.

[safe hazel]

hmmm, I still find it concerning 😟

[charred merlin]

Really quick oversimplication of how AI makes images as a comparison; Go to https://civitai.com/ or use any online/local Stable Diffusion service that lets you manually input the "seed" if you want to try for yourself.

This "seed number" is what they use to make a big picture full of static (lots of random coloured dots). Each number makes a different picture of "color noise".

For the next step, think about how you can take a picture of yourself and add a "blur" filter onto it -- if you keep doing that, eventually you go from a clear image of you to a pure jumbled mess of colour noise. The AI is trained super carefully to think about how the resulting blurred jumble could be reversed into a clear image. Once the AI knows how to reverse the steps for those images where you KNOW what the result is, you start feeding it completely random pictures and seeing what it can try to create out of that "nonsensical information" you just gave it.

These kinds of back and forth steps go on for AGES until the AI "understands" how it's supposed to work.

Along the same lines, Suno presumably diffuses "audio static" in a our desired songs, guided into specific directions based on the prompts we give it just the same as "colour noise" is diffused into a picture by Stable Diffusion (the prompts that we give it are intended to remind it of the training sessions when it turned random noise into specific images).

If you start off with the same seed number (the same "audio static" or "colour noise"), and ask it to turn it into a similar result, there's a pretty good chance that they might sound the same.

This sounds like a temporary hiccup where the seed number ended up being similar between the 2 songs.

Either a temporary hiccup where Suno didn't change the seed number enough between songs, or you need to buy a lottery ticket NOW.

[safe hazel]

Yeah, like what are the chances of getting the same seed, seems like it should be...real small.

I just hope they aren't building songs on top of existing songs. They say they don't do that right?

[dapper swallow]

website is down???

[weak girder]

Website error code 524

[charred merlin]

@dapper swallow Give it a couple minutes, close & reopen your browsers ❤️

[drowsy kernel]

same website down

[weak girder]

Thanks, now is working

[charred merlin]

The lottery thing was meant to be a joke. It's a minor temporary hiccup with a single facet of the song generation process (the random static audio), no reason to start inventing new ways for the underlying technology to work in order to explain an understandable result.

"If you hear hoofprints, look for horses instead of zebras"

[astral axle]

cant sign into my account and i dont remember which email i used also i wasnt given the chance to name the accout why did it come up with magicalgpu774?

[charred merlin]

You can change the default-assigned name here ❤️

In regards to the previous account, perhaps check your email inboxes to see if you've received any correspondence by searching for "Suno"?

Beyond that, you'll need to reach out to [e-mail] for account-related assistance.

[astral axle]

sadly i delete all my recieved emails on all my emails after i read and dont need them anymore -.- so i cant do that and i did email billing they havent gotten back to me, reddit suno suggested i talk to people on the discord i had one song with like 13 different styles of music tryignto find the right sound for it and like an hour later it started asking me to sign in again and thats when i lost it

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/tobias-tobias-funke-gif-23255404

[astral axle]

i tried to use my gmail account but it just ended up making a new account but thats actually what i thought i used for the other account

[prisma wraith]

Anyone have any good ideas on how to transition to another genre, in a piece with ambiance? since there's more or less always some level of sound, I just can't seem to drag it into a different direction

[charred merlin]

Extensions use whatever content you give it, so placing an extension point at 02:00 for instance, already likely has a strong musical theme that it's hooking onto to try to continue.

You can take advantage of this by giving Suno a very small "context of memory" on which to base your extensions, in an attempt to shake off any "stylistic momentum" aside from perhaps the time signature or key (even then, experiment!)

[prisma wraith]

Congrats on the cool deep blue color Theharber.
While I have attempted to irk it a bit back and forth for the past few hours, trying to adjust the time of the extention, the style tags and metatags, even an extra part which then only was used for 3 seconds to keep it on a peak before a plausible drop. But with no positive outcome as of yet. Do you possibly know of any tags that make it easy to fade a song out from an active part? With that I might be able to bring it to a halt and then re-start it from a new extention, without having it to go through the entire initial piece I should most likely try to go back to V3, to get it to a full pause, before returning to V3.5 with the other genre

[charred merlin]

I tried to have fun swapping genres with a 1-second extension in between different genres to see how cleanly it would swap -- the first didn't "wow" me, but the second track it made "understood the assignment". https://suno.com/song/4ead25f8-1176-45e1-b498-a44c1374bf61

[prisma wraith]

I'll give it a few attempts with the 1 second extensions*, if it doesn't manage to transition then, I'll have no choice but to scrap the current song 😦

[prisma wraith]

IT LIVES! thanks a bunch for the assistance.

Blobb wants to learn a new move - 1 second extension
But he already knows four moves!
Blobb forgot Complaining

[charred merlin]

😄 Great success ❤️ Feel free to DM the result if you want!

PS. I don't see it as complaining at all, you're sharing experiences while looking for help -- it only becomes complaining when people refuse to see things any other way than their own.

[prisma wraith]

Will do, once the song is fully completed ❤️ only a... few extensions left at most.

[charred merlin]

It's just too powerful, I almost feel bad for giving Suno whiplash

https://tenor.com/view/breck-whiplash-gif-26891813

[glacial scarab]

I always like to plug this one when the topic is multiple extends to switch around stuff. It's not really transitioning genre but more like assembling the song here but.. it's a fun little demo
https://suno.com/song/0222b2c6-93c9-4163-b85f-98e68391d5a9

and congrats @charred merlin 🎉
well deserved new role

[modest oasis]

Why doesn't my new thumbnail show when I download the video . It shows on the song list but doesn't on the download

[charred merlin]

Have you used "Regenerate Video"?

[charred merlin]

I love this! This is so fun!

-wait, scratch that, this is maniacal! 😛 I was laughing in time with the laugh track, and was not prepared in the slightest for the dubstep

[modest oasis]

I did but still got the original image . Maybe it is a mobile issue

[glacial scarab]

thank you, it needed quite a few gens but it really shows how awesome suno can be. And it's funny

[viral moss]

@charred merlin I swear you were Red

[charred merlin]

I have absolutely no memory of the colour of which you speak. I've never met Red in my life.

#💬┃general-chat message 😛

[viral moss]

Strange.
I have trouble with colors.
I met Red Green once, was disappointed he was neither red nor green

[viral moss]

Ah.
Congrats 👏

[charred merlin]

🇨🇦 Keep your stick on the ice ❤️

[viral moss]

If they don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy

[charred merlin]

Absolutely love Steve Smith
https://youtu.be/L7FzV9irqfY

[viral moss]

Where's the Canadian Heritage Moment clip for him?? He deserves one dammit

[vocal cosmos]

How to i download music on iPhone app?

[charred merlin]

I'm going to share this one more frequently if you're okay with it? I think if more people paid attention to the image-swaps in the video, and realized that each new picture was a separate extension -- then thought about each extension being carefully placed for a specific reason, they'd realize placing extensions can be ridiculously efficient when you have a specific direction you want to take the song. Sometimes I worry they just think I'm trying to pass the blame onto them for "not prompting properly to get a one-shot generation", when really I just want to show something 1/10 as well as this turned out

[charred merlin]

If you click the 3 dot interaction menu for songs in your library, you should be able to click "download" at the bottom to bring up the iOS native "share" menu to choose how you want to save it.

Hrm, just ran into an iOS bug while trying to download the song multiple times...

[vocal cosmos]

Idk it’s not saving for some reason when I press download

[charred merlin]

#📱┃bugs-ios message

Does it work (even just once) if you try to download a song you haven't downloaded before?

[vocal cosmos]

I had to get on the safari to do it . It don’t work in app

[waxen gulch]

hello, I have a question, is it possible to make the bars increase at the beginning of the song? I see that it lasts 8 bars at most and then the song starts, I would like to make it to 16

[wild eagle]

Hi, any way to get it to do [guitar solo] or [drum solo] ? are there any "switches" or "coding" tips/tricks -- words in (parenthesis) seem to "chime in" like background singers (which is pretty cool) ... wondering if there are any other... Thanks!

[dapper gulch]

why does my account completely lock up if it mentions a payment failure? I didn't want to pay for the month because i still had over 3k credits. or are you required to pay to keep the 3k credits?

[worthy phoenix]

https://suno.com/song/ecd948b6-9a07-4d7d-89d0-eb93d51da9f8 some idea to extend the abrupt end of the song?

[frozen pivot]

You could start with an instrumental, make it as long as you want and extend from there

[frozen pivot]

Your general subscription credits do not transfer from month to month.

[frozen pivot]

[Instrumental: guitar] sometimes work

[small dirge]

I'm not sure if this is the right place but is there a format for specific instructions for parts of a custom song?
For instance, to make the last chorus swell into a crescendo or to have 1 verse be spoken as if in a moment of retrospection?

[charred merlin]

Place an extension point before the song starts sounding differently than you want it to; the song's "energy" is still rather strong up until 2:45 -- notice how the feeling of the song changes afterward? The lack of drums, the slower and softer approach than just prior? All of these contribute to "a natural conclusion" to the song, and instead of generating songs that never end, it's drifting naturally toward the conclusion.

If you place an extension point at some point where the musical theme is still strong, you can continue to guide the song in whatever direction you'd like.

Bear in mind, sometimes v3.5 can get "stuck" on an idea (likely because of strongly weighted prompts, or too strong of an existing theme + natural progression of the song) and it can have a hard time trying something different whether you move the extension points or not -- v3 is better at "shaking things up" at that point.

[agile smelt]

This is actually kinda crazy. This AI can do a lot of out-of-scope things. voice acting generator, sound effect creator, and more.

I just got it to generate violin music by labeling it like

[Violin]
Ver vera, ver ver ver, verra-ver-ver

Earlier got it to create a speech by having quotes after [silence]. Albeit it was slightly auto tuned sounding at times.

Can get it to swap voices, and singing styles with quotes, writing styles, and labels.

I really have to wonder what else we can get it to do.

[charred merlin]

😛 Whenever I had credits to spare, I used to play a game called "Suno Roulette"

I'd set the only style prompt as "Experimental", then I'd think of something silly for the lyrics section, not maxing out the lyrics section or going wild. Sometimes I would add "[gibberish]" at the end of the lyrics as a tag, because it seemed to encourage randomness and weird expression of the lyrics (instead of actually producing gibberish).

[forest rampart]

video generation not work for every song i make, is there any bug with it?

[charred merlin]

Sometimes you get spoken word, sometimes you get legit underground experimental folk-art music, sometimes you get the absolute funniest thing you've ever heard in your life.

There's zero consistency between the results, so it's unbelievably funny at times. I've also used some of the initial generations to extend for some of my favourite results.

[charred merlin]

I'm not having any issues -- what are you seeing when you try to download a video?

[forest rampart]

i cant download, button is not active and this loading icon is

like something stuck

[charred merlin]

If you go back a page or two do they all show the same thing?

[forest rampart]

no not all

oh well fixed thanks

[charred merlin]

Sounds like the server just needed to catch it's breath for a quick second -- appreciated for bringing it up if it seemed like it was taking longer than usual though ❤️

[forest rampart]

🙂

[wild eagle]

any detail on "voice acting generator"? 🤔

[charred merlin]

https://github.com/suno-ai/bark ?

[small dirge]

Okay, so does that mean there's no way to do what I asked?

[charred merlin]

The more specific you want to get, the less likely you are to achieve the song in a "one-shot generation" -- the easiest, most reliable way to go about achieving this would be to generate the initial section of the song, then create an extension point at/just before the point where you want something to happen.

You can use metatags to try to suggest a structure or guidance, but it's all just suggestions up for interpretation in the eyes of Suno.

[small dirge]

Okay, thank you. As for meta tags, is there a format that tends to work best? As for the extentions, I haven't delved into that yet. Thankfully I have credits to experiment.

[charred merlin]

format that tends to work best
"Best" is super subjective, but I'd suggest to start small with both style prompts and metatags, gain familiarizations for how things work differently if you add hyphenation between words or leave them separate, etc. (#📚┃suno-school message)

Briefly ; if you only use a single-word style prompt, like "rap" or "jazz", you'll have a pretty good idea of what to expect, and can feel confident that you were successful in gaining agreement with Suno as to what you meant. If you add another single prompt to that, you again will likely be able to have an idea of how it should turn out, with immediate and valuable feedable to continue expanding upon -- making your "Suno-to-English" mental dictionary that's specific to your and your own genres.

If you max out the Style Prompt box, are you certain that you can clearly hear how each of those prompts directly influenced that outcome? Is there a chance that some of the prompts are being ignored and others outpowering? If you change or add a single prompt on top of 50 others, are you still reasonably able to predict how it'll turn out?

That's why my face scrunches when I see people throwing ridiculously complex metatags into their song, as if they've unlocked the secret to hyperspecific Suno-coding that the rest of us just simply fail to recognize the genius thereof. (eg. [music crescendos to a rising pulse, then DROP!] [bpm:1200] [constantly swirling and panning audio tracks] [dolby digital surround sound, highest bitrate] <EMOTIONAL RESONANCE -- HIGHLY BEAUTIFUL AND MOVING>)

[small dirge]

Ah, I see. I do a lot of AI work like images, videos, text bot building and music so some can handle specifics while others are more suggestion driven. So I'd say that Suno is more on the suggestion side than instruction side then. Correct?

[charred merlin]

BTW. Not trying to be a party pooper if you love these tags, just trying to do !SCIENCE!

If anyone feels they have a suggestion for a "coding-style" metatag or style prompt that they'd like to test the legitimacy of, give me an example using the following template and I'll throw it onto a public playlist for everyone to learn from (whether it works or not) --

This.
Is.
How.
We.
Suno.

Using a disproven example to demonstrate;

This.
[Wait 2 Seconds]
Is.
[Wait-2-Seconds]
How.
[Wait for 2 Seconds
We.
[Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait]
Suno.

[small dirge]

Thank you. These AI's are breaking my brain and I love it!

[charred merlin]

Was going to add this to the comment above, but I feel like you might appreciate it (the playlist description might make you chuckle given your previous question)
https://suno.com/playlist/41d7b3f6-c779-468c-83b8-b9ceb10ba065

[teal raft]

Luckily I can be v. persuasive

[small dirge]

That is very similar to giving my text bots instructions. Thank you!

[charred merlin]

I mean, after a few rounds you can pretty much talk Suno into anything -- that dude gets wild.

[ocean jetty]

Platform is down?

[safe hazel]

Down for me

Back for me

[green sail]

hello everyone I have a question, how do you copy the lyrics of a song on Suno? I’m on mobile and there doesnt seem to be an option to copy lyrics of a generated song. Is it possible?

[native palm]

On safari with iPhone, I click on the song’s name and the lyrics of the song appear along with some details about the song.

[charred merlin]

You should see this after clicking the 3 dot interaction menu for one of your songs.

[elfin storm]

Why can't Regenerate Video?

[charred merlin]

Are you on a paid or free account?

"Regenerate Video" is an early-access feature currently only available to users with paid memberships.

[elfin storm]

is there a v4?

the vocal jumps to the next verse are not regular

[charred merlin]

I hope to cover this content and more in a comprehensive introduction workflow / guide, but in the mean time, there are many instances where we have shared ideas on addressing this problem, such as #📚┃suno-school message #📚┃suno-school message

Hopefully these previous conversations can provide additional context and further details, but I find that breaking songs into smaller, more manageable chunks allows me to create the exact song I want piece by piece, instead of "wasting" songs that don't turn out 100% perfect.

[elfin storm]

I've edited the continuation and when I edit the continuation it doesn't work, bro

[charred merlin]

Many users have found success with this method, allowing them to retain the parts of the songs they like, and regenerate content they don't like.

Are you able to share the steps you're taking, and elaborate on what "doesn't work"?

I'm happy to help, but it's hard to gain a clear understanding of what you're trying vs what you're envisioning as the result based on the information you've provided.

[elfin storm]

I'll try to chat with you?

[charred merlin]

Wonderful, let's figure out what the problem is! 🙂 ❤️

To explain "Extend" in simple terms-- if you like a song, but there is a part you wish to change (unpleasant music, wrong lyrics, anything!), you place an extension point before that part and continue the song from that part.

This makes song "Part 2" . If you click on part 2 and use "Get Whole Song", you hear part 1 and part 2 replaces the parts you don't like.

"Get Whole Song" does not cost credits, so it is very easy to Extend and hear both parts together as a Full Song.

This way, instead of "rolling the dice" and hoping to get a very good song "as a Suno Gambler", you are becoming A SUNO DJ

💪 👽 🎛️

🚫 🎰🎵

Advice might not work for everyone -- and some people are VERY good "Suno Gamblers", and have amazing luck no atter what they do 😛 ❤️

[elfin storm]

I've tried what you mentioned but it still doesn't match what I expected

[charred merlin]

Are you able to share the steps you're taking, and elaborate on what "doesn't work"?

It might sound silly to ask, but can you share what you're expecting vs what's actually happening? It helps to know that we're trying to accomplish the same thing so I can best advise you.

[elfin storm]

No

[elfin storm]

however the previous one worked and the others are quite good

[charred merlin]

It sounds like you're not satisfied with the quality of the service, but you're also not willing to take a collaborative approach to learning.

Unfortunately I'm not sure how best to assist you, except to say that hopefully improvements and new tools built into future Suno models feel more intuitive for you to use, and perform more to your expectations (whatever those may be?).

☕ ❤️

[stiff sable]

Extend is usually a case of finding where the most optimal point to extend from is, and then deciding how much of the prompt you need to change. keeping it exactly the same can give you cohesive outputs to part 1 but it might be too similar to what you're trying to replace; if you change it too drastically, suno gets "confused" and it doesnt turn out usable a lot of the time, so its a lot of experimenting to find a good balance and thats what makes it fun tbh! i wouldn't recommend extending from the middle of a word or even the middle of a verse section.

nice shiny new blue name btw @charred merlin 😎 sweeeet

[charred merlin]

❤️ you rock (ps. I'm not sure if the quote in your bio was there prior, but they mentioned that same concept on The Daily Show a week or so back, and my wife and I keep referring back to that line when "trying to solve the world's problems" together -- great minds think alike!)

[elfin storm]

However, I tried to generate a new song, which was good, but when I tried to edit it, it was destroyed. The previous answer was correct, but nothing matched my wishes.

https://suno.com/song/ef106683-e8c8-4d6f-b4b2-90d6b3aae3d7

[stiff sable]

is that what you're trying to extend from or is that a combined original song and an extension together?
so what theharber was asking you before was to just elaborate a little bit on what it is you're doing within suno when you try to extend, and why the results don't quite match your expectations so we can figure out what you're getting stumped by

[elfin storm]

yes, a combination of the original songs

[stiff sable]

so if im understanding correctly - youve tried to generate an extension and done Get Whole Song on it, which is what that link currently is ... at which time stamp does the extension start at?

[elfin storm]

original link

[charred merlin]

Normally you can scroll through the song to see where the extension points were used based on when the image changes.

Unless the video has been regenerated (which cleans up any "video stitches"), this appears to be a one-shot generation that isn't using extensions (or at least failing to "get whole song" afterward.)

So again,

1. Please tell us specifically what steps you are taking (open suno, enter lyrics, enter style prompt, press generate, etc etc)
2. Please tell us what you expect the result to be when using the "Extend" tool.

It makes it very difficult to properly assist unless we are in agreement and understand the situation the same as one another -- which I don't believe to be the case. ❤️

[stiff sable]

ok so this would suggest to me that the two tracks you sent are entirely separate generations that aren't linked at all, rather than you extending FROM your song. so even though you have the same prompt and lyrics, suno doesn't understand that you're trying to generate something similar bcos the two aren't actually related at all

[elfin storm]

yes, but this is the old v3 so it's the latest v3.5

better than v3 that's why I want v3.5, better vocals and instruments

and I want to share an old song but like this

[stiff sable]

i can see that in your song pages. but it still looks like you have just written in the lyrics and the prompt into the v3 box originally, and then done that again for v3.5. so the 3.5 generation is starting "blank" apart from your lyrics and style prompt, it doesn't understand or know about the v3 generation. just to clarify, are you explicitly pressing the Extend button here on your version 3 audio?

[stiff sable]

so when you press Extend, it should show you your original track underneath the Title section, and then give you a timestamp (usually the full length of the track ie 02:00) - in your original audio, your song actually finishes before 02:00, so there is only silence at this point.

Suno (to my knowledge) will take your full audio into context when you extend, but you're essentially asking it to continue a song from silence (nothing), and your prompt of "pop" is fairly vague (it has a lot of material it could pull from that it understands "pop" to be), so it's not too surprising that it might go off the rails and make something completely new. Maybe try pulling your extend start time to 01:45 so it has the context of your track's sound to continue from.

[naive wolf]

Hello !
I noticed it's possible to upload an audio on Suno, I have uploaded an instrumental on which I would like Suno to sing the lyrics I wrote in the custom mode Lyrics section, is there a way to make it work ? I can't find how to it for now.
Thanks for your help !

[elfin storm]

Ouh, ok

[elfin storm]

When I edited my only song, it was put together but the song was bad together

Thanks

[stiff sable]

suno can only infer what you're trying to get from it with as much information as you prompt it with, so sometimes it wont immediately match what you want it to be in your brain. just keep trying things and experimenting, switch up some prompts and add extra words here and there to try and see how and what is being changed! for every good generation, you'll probably end up with 10 meh ones ;)

[barren acorn]

Hi,

I am a new Suno user, I have a quick question: can we edit (word or musical genre) for music already generated and if we want to change some details?

[charred merlin]

Changing the words that display on the website or video == yes
Changing the song so that just the sung lyrics are changed but everything else stays the same == no

Currently you'd need to place an extension point before the part you want to change, extend from there, and "get whole song" afterward to stitch the pieces together.

[charred merlin]

We currently don't have the ability to keep the existing content and overlay vocals quite so simply (YET), but there's definitely ways to approach this issue!

When you extend from an uploaded audio segment, Suno will attempt to continue any existing musical themes and motifs -- if your song has a cohesive enough "scaffolding" for Suno to hook onto, it's a lot more likely the extension will continue the theme, from which point you can attempt to add lyrics into.

As a curious note for experimentation, you don't need to enter both lyrics AND a style prompt -- you can use one and ignore the other, and Suno will still infer a direction from it. (angry sounding lyrics without a style prompt to help direct it will likely come across angry.

[barren acorn]

@charred merlin okey thanks you 🙂

[stiff sable]

honestly my favorite use for the upload audio tool rn is just giving it a 15-20 second loop of a single/couple of instruments, giving it a wacky style to make and seeing what it comes up with; it's usually things i'd never think of myself. would recommend.

[charred merlin]

100% -- it's a literal musical superpower to be able to take a song, open it in a free DAW, split the audio, and put JUST what you want back into the audio upload.

Got a cool intro, but the lyrics mess it up? Strip the vocal stem, trim the end so it's 6-60s long, and introduce the vocals later on when you WANT them to come in.

ALL available on the web, unlimited use with the basic plan -- It feels like spam to type it up, but BandLab is genuinely one of the most game-changing projects happening in terms of music production -- all of the tools that you needed to "hire an audio engineer for" are available to you for free (without royalties or limitations on how often you use it).

All web-hosted so you don't need a crazy AI-enabled PC to get studio-quality stem splitting (instrument isolation) or anything -- use Suno to jumpstart your ideas and create the songs, use BandLab (or your preferred workflow/tools) to collaboratively and iteratively feed content between the two of them and you'll be capable of RIDICULOUS things that you dreamed you'd need to pay Pharrell Williams to tutor you on.

https://www.bandlab.com/splitter -- web-based AI splitter (encourages you to upload & split ANY track for experimentation and practice's sake)
https://www.bandlab.com/studio -- web based digital audio workspace that integrates with their sound fx and generative tools
https://www.bandlab.com/mastering -- 4 free studio-class automastering to "clean up" your finished results
https://licensing.bandlab.com/ -- early access to a distributor that lets you keep 80% of the royalties on a free plan (100% on paid)

[stiff sable]

bandlab is insane

i didnt know they had a licensing section 👀 im intrigued

[charred merlin]

It's listed as "New" on their site, and the page shows this

Makes me wonder if they're laying the groundwork for it, or if they're just taking a more restrictive approach to signups to make sure that they comfortably handle content, instead of having to refuse content like TuneCore or come down hard on people like DistroKid when something goes wrong

[whole orbit]

Hi - New to Suno - Loving it - I created an account linked to google but then was looking at some coupons to try and get some discounts on extra credits - somehow created a new account called MulishClip368 - I've since have logged out and have no clue how to get back into it again can anyone help? My son made some songs on there he loves so would like to get back in there.

[limber bramble]

I don't think is just that if buy the credits, at the end of the month if i don't spend all my points you erase them.. are you gonna fix this robbery, i may just cancel the monthly subscription if you dont

[viral lotus]

Why do my songs...and now my playlists...keep disappearing?

Does anyone else find songs in their trash they haven't deleted?

[carmine obsidian]

Non seulement ils te piquent des points en prenant ta thune , Mais en plus ils ne font que favoriser leur potes !! Sérieux ils mettent en showcase des titres qui ont aucun resultat en terme de Ratio de like / dislike ... Allez bien vous faire mettre @worthy grotto !!

[viral lotus]

That's a normal procedure for most credit-based monthly subscriptions. Not saying one way or the other that it's the best method...

[charred merlin]

As a side note, I don't think there's coupons for credits.

When you attempt to sign in, you have the option of using your Apple, Discord, Google or Microsoft accounts, or signing in with your phone number. I'd suggest checking your emails to see if there's any correspondance from Suno.com to know if you'd signed up with that email.

If you're not able to find your account, the quickest way to resolve account-based issues is to email [e-mail] with as much help information as you can think of (maybe when you first signed up, any songs created with that original account if you still have the links, what the previous account was named, etc)

Best of luck finding your son's music! ❤️

[charred merlin]

As JohnM68 brought up, credits don't carry over from month-to-month. I also wish it wasn't the industry standard, but if you're a student of Internet History, you (and the entire population of Australia) are welcome to join me in criticizing Adobe for normalizing this kind of stuff 😛

In their defense, credits are just a way of balancing server load -- you pay for the amount that you think you're going to use, and should make an informed decision based on your current needs. (for instance, don't subscribe to a family Netflix plan with 6+ family members, 4k video streaming, downloads, etc, if you just intend to use it to watch The Office -- you're welcome to email Netflix and demand a refund because you didn't take advantage of your full membership, but unless they hid their subscription terms to you, it's more of a case that you signed up for a service without familiarizing yourself with what the subscription entailed?)

"Subscription credits don't carry over between months, and while your extra purchased "top up" credits don't expire, you still need to have an active membership to use them.

[charred merlin]

Presumed translation of the comment I'm replying to - "not only do they steal from you by taking your money, but they also favour their friends. The showcase titles have no results in terms of like/dislike radio -- get !%$@, Suno")

Est-ce que ta mere t'a appris a parler cette? (Did your mother teach you to speak like this?)

Comment votre argent est-il <<volé>>? (*How is your money "stolen"?)

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin I just mentioned above that my playlist was deleted...then I found it so I deleted the above message. Except that it's only "half-there". I can continue to add songs to it, but it doesn't appear on my playlist list so I can access it. I have two other such playlists. After my 13th playlist, they stopped appearing in my playlist list. The large one (63+ songs) was displaced by another playlist and is below the cutoff. When I choose "Add to Playlist" from a song menu, Those three playlists do not initially appear until I scroll down and then it's like seeing the next few emails on Yahoo...it takes a second before they appear (a "working" icon appears)

[charred merlin]

❤️ thanks for helping out earlier -- sorry for the delay, let's see what we got here

[charred merlin]

#💡┃suggestions-web message I had made a post the other day about how the playlist functionality didn't match my intuitive expectations, and found another point of confusion to be that the playlists are separated by separate pages, but seemingly without the use of vertical space like the other pages

[foggy phoenix]

How can i select what a female and a male is singing in a rap song?

[charred merlin]

The other playlists are displayed on the other screen, but because of the brief inclusion of a vertical scrollbar, my brain refuses to accept that I need to look on a second page, and tries to scroll down to see the content that would otherwise be shown below.

Legit thought playlists were broken as I tried to find where the news ones I made had gone to.

In regards to the songs not reflecting immediately in the playlist, I've also noticed some irregularities between how songs get added to playlists when you manage a number of them at once, or add duplicates, as sometimes the resulting total of songs in the playlist doesn't match what I'm expecting to see.

[raw river]

How do I unsubscribe?

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/song/91dff5b1-6415-4b1a-8b88-25fd4ce1130a
There aren't 100% certain methods, but careful use of extensions and prompting makes it a lot easier. @naive quail has done a lot of male / female duet songs recently, if you wanted to look at some of the way they handle metatags

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin Awesome, thank you.
Other problems:

1. I think I mentioned this the other day...it's easy to delete the wrong file due to how it's implemented.
2. Once you delete a file, it is impossible to find because there is no order to the trash
3. It takes forever to permanently delete those songs in your trash. It should be email where you can select a large number of them.

[charred merlin]

If you have any issues, contact [e-mail] for more direct assistance with your account. ❤️

[charred merlin]

I agree with all of those points -- the only saving grace is being able to click on a song & ctrl + a to highlight all of the songs on the page, to make it easier to trash or add multiple to a playlist at a single time.

That being said, keep an eye out for these kinds of improvements!

[viral lotus]

I didn't know that...that helps incredibly , thank you

@charred merlin They may already be planning this, but it would be beyond helpful to be able to file songs in folders instead of one huge list.

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-smirk-wait-for-gif-3528088

🙊

[naive quail]

Nooooooo! Suno turned those Fallout songs into Duets on its own, likely based on the lyical content. I've since gone back and edited the tags to reflect what Suno did.

After it happened the first time, I did work the Lyrics of the next two to include things like "We're the Atomic Duo" to further reinforce Suno's inclination to make them duets, but I didn't prompt specifically for it. Suno just likes Fallout songs, I guess.

This is the only one where I prompted specifically for the female/male part: https://suno.com/song/71cfe901-2e9a-44df-8f04-aa8da88e1d0f

[charred merlin]

@foggy phoenix VERY good point raised here -- lyrical content influences the style as well (putting nothing in the style prompt section, the lyrics will still help determine the musical style)

There isn't so much a direct way to command Suno to do something, but you can try to leave as many trails of breadcrumbs to follow as you'd please

[viral lotus]

That's like in RunwayML Gen3, "first person POV" often turns it into a video game HUD

[naive quail]

I will add that, when prompting for duets, I've had better luck when starting with the female voice. I wanted to write it off as just a coincidence but I've seen some others post the same thing.

[warped furnace]

I don't know about lyrical content. I had a song (Crooner style) clearly written from a woman's point of view. Next thing I know, Suno delivers a duet. And the guy sings "I'm delighted to be your bride" ... 😂

[naive quail]

I think the lyrical content can definitely trigger duets, but that doesn't mean that Suno's going to get the parts right. I've done some extra generations of those Fallout songs (prior to updating the lyrics). Suno almost always made them duets w/o me prompting, but sometimes The Wanderer (male voice) would sing parts clearly meant for the pistol (female voice)

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/song/65a2e520-e54a-4def-be67-d483a08a49eb Out of curiosity, on the discord embedded video, do you see the lyrics as "I'm so angry right now" or "I'm not angry anymore"

No style prompts entered, just the lyrics to guide the style

[whole orbit]

Thank you for that. I'm on PC here - for some reason when I click on the white sign in box at the bottom left of the screen I get the Suno pop up like the one you show except it is to Create a New Account - now if I click on Google I will go to my original Suno account - but if I enter the phone number I think may be associated with the new account (that was the phone a code was sent to) it just says that an account already exists linked to that number.
I should clarify I was trying to sign up to the monthly sub but with a coupon when all this happened - it just seemed to set up a new account. I have emailed billing but no reply as yet.

[charred merlin]

There's "sign in" at the bottom in blue, but even if you use the "create new account" button and enter the same email that you used to sign up originally, I think it processes it like a regular sign-in without creating a duplicate Suno account for that email/phone number

[heady sun]

@charred merlin I am back to be able to create songs again. These have been my favorites and clearly based on one subject.

https://suno.com/playlist/8aec1627-ff1c-4375-b986-1e7e17b4409b

[charred merlin]

DUDE! You rock -- thanks for following up! ❤️

I know you were able to get around the issue at the time by testing with a different account -- were you able to determine what the issue might have been, did you get a reply from the email team, or did it simply resolve itself over time?

[heady sun]

I got a reply from suno email:
"We apologize for the delay in responding, as we are currently experiencing a high volume of emails.
The issue causing the error has been resolved. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Regards,

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Danilyn
Suno Support"

[charred merlin]

~35 minutes, looks like you have enough content for a full length album about this city -- now that you're able to make music again, it'll be neat to see what directions your next "albums" take!

[charred merlin]

I suppose the important part is that it's working again? 🎉 🥳

Just as a techy-guy I'd be curious what the issue was. Either way 🙂

[near tangle]

is it possible to simulate a type of voice?

as in if I want it to sound like the muppets or similar

[heady sun]

Yes it is working again!

[hollow hare]

It is possible to influence a voice using style prompts but, just that, influence - not explicitly set.

In the unofficial community suno.wiki (https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/voice-tags/), some examples show using prefix of certain styles of voices as a prefix (e.g. sultry male singer). You can also have emotional terms to influence how it sings.

If you want the style of speech, you are better off phonetically spelling the word in the style you want (e.g. "hallo guvenor")

I know people were able to get simlish-like vocals (from The Sims), e.g. #📚┃suno-school message (several more examples on Discord. Perhaps modifying will help get the Swedish Chef like style?)

If you want a specific muppet voice, that will be very hard to get but you can try using keywords to describe that voice (e.g. husky, hoarseness, stiff, etc.)

If you are able to mimic the style, you can use the Audio Upload feature to help influence that style. Remember that using actual voices from the Muppets would be infringing their copyright and you will be consequences from that, such as deletion of the song or being banned from Suno, and legally liable for any issue that arises from that.

Using voices in the audio upload will also disable the Public option for the song (a preventative measure Suno imposed in case a voice was present without the person's consent).

[near tangle]

I was using The Muppets as an example. I'm more or less trying to make a song that sounds like goblins are singing it.

for a D&D session

or, just for fun between sessions

[hollow hare]

Ah, I see, hmm I cannot think of the appropriate style from the top of my head since I haven't tried doing that in the past.

In case you were unaware, Suno AI used to work on a generative Text-to-Speech system known as Bark in the past.

They have stopped actively developing it but made it open-sourced (source on github and Hugging Face) and you can play with examples on Hugging Face.

Perhaps you can play around with it for when you need the voices without singing? It does take a bit of time to generate the vocals though

https://huggingface.co/spaces/suno/bark

Some metatags for Bark are listed in the old FAQ at https://suno-ai.notion.site/Using-Metatags-34944efe09ec41d693e314f13af44695

[charred merlin]

Love you, Paimon! 🎉

Hope your day's gone well 🙂

[hollow hare]

I had generated a voice that reminds me of Cleaveland (from Family Guy) and a weird robot. The latter when I was trying to get a female voice lol

[hollow hare]

Hi Harber, thanks, it is going. Ugh, Mondays, am I right? Still waiting for my new phone to come in 😦

I hope you are having a wonderful day 😄
Congratulations on your Guide role, you really deserve it 🙂

[tight frost]

Hey I've been doing 1970 funk music but I realized there is always a modern pop/rock influence although I didn't put any pop or rock keywords in the prompt. How do I get rid of the influence ?

[hollow hare]

If I recall correctly, v3.5 is unfortunately tuned more towards those latter styles.

What I recommend trying is generating the initial style in 3.0, which is better at understanding the less used genres, as part 1 then extend it into 3.5.

My personal suggestion is to make the first part as an instrumental piece so you can extend when you get a beat you love

[tight frost]

Alright thanks !

[charred merlin]

My wife just watched the new Garfield movie last night, so the Mondays thing made me chuckle more than you probably intended 😛

Ugh, time literally slows to a crawl when you're waiting for something in the mail. Back when I was doing Apple support I ordered my first iPhone along with a coworker -- I went for the space grey model & they opted for the gold one -- made such a big deal about it, until mine came in and they had to wait a couple extra weeks for a backlog 😛

And that means a lot, thanks Paimon ❤️

[hollow hare]

Another option that came to my mind is trying to use a more specific subgenre.

You can check RateYourMusic's Genre section (funk listed under R&B) or go near the bottom of https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/funk/ to the hierarchy style.

Specifying a specific subgenre should help get the style you want (though I recommend trying it in 3.0 over 3.5 first so you do not waste credits if it get Pop/Rock-ilized)

[near tangle]

I've been feeling like v3.5 has been far more restrictive vs 3.0 lately, even though you can make longer songs

[charred merlin]

"rockilized" is absolutely being added to my lexicon.

[graceful condor]

I just cant stand how the verses 3 and 4 repeat themselves, it didn't do that before

[near tangle]

or when it's in the middle of verse 2 or the chorus and jumps back to the middle of verse 1 or 3

[charred merlin]

That's largely the case, as noted in the modal dropdown -- v3 is a lot more broad and versatile, able to sacrifice song structure for originality.

v3.5 can still make exceptional tracks, except without strong prompting or an effective melody to "hook onto", it tends toward generic pop/rock/rap

[near tangle]

or cycles between chorus and verse 2 several times

[charred merlin]

There's been no changes to the model in over a month. It's more likely that you're gradually adding more and more into your lyrics and style prompts, then being surprised when it's not able to cohesively juggle all of the instructions in order.

Break the song down into smaller chunks instead of aiming for a "one-shot generation".

Place an extension point before it sings a verse again, and create the rest of the song with the correct lyrics.

[near tangle]

I get juggling in songs with simple prompts

[graceful condor]

Then if thats the case, it shouldn't be said that it can make songs longer if there are going to errors when putting more effort into longer songs, keeping at 2:00 instead of 4 might make it more easier then if it struggles that much. Then you can cram more info and still keep the quality

[charred merlin]

Prompt complexity isn't exactly the smoking gun, it's the length of the song and the specificity that you're envisioning.

You can use complex or simple prompts, but it's the amount of them you're using, and how far into the song you expect Suno to follow with 0% deviation from your imagined song.

[charred merlin]

You might need to explain these "errors", because a lot of people have had success breaking the song down into manageable chunks to create the exact song they want.

"Skipping" or "repeating" is only largely a problem when you're expecting a "one-shot generation", and it's a good rule of thumb that the more specific of a song you're envisioning, the more extension points you made need to create it exactly.

[graceful condor]

Alright I had help with the problem, my bad, guess I have more to learn about this lol. Thank you for the help

[charred merlin]

Don't sweat it!

AI is WEIRD, man. Even the people who "make" it still have esoteric conversations about how it all works.

In your defense, if ChatGPT acts weird and doesn't give you the desired result, I'm the same type of person who hops onto the web to figure out if anyone else is having the issue, or what's going on. If I asked ChatGPT to make me a story, but every other paragraph was just repeating the one before it, it would ABSOLUTELY feel broken -- if I asked for help and thought the response was a dismissive "Just take the paragraphs you like, and delete the ones you don't EZ", I'd be pretty ticked off for a number of reasons.

What I'm still wrapping my head around is how the Suno music model shares some similarities or integrations with ChatGPT's natural language processing, but ONLY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, after which it gives priority to trying to understand small-form ideas and styles.

It's like if you use an image gen program like Stable Diffusion and ask it to make a picture of something more conceptual and tangible, like "the concept of sublimation" -- it MIGHT understand and give you a picture of dissolving dry ice, or it might just use that as a "prompt decoration" and nudge the AI even further into a random direction as it tries to make sense of the "static" it's been given in an attempt to make something real out of it.

[graceful condor]

I actually write my own lyrics lol, but true. I think I only used Chat GPT once in my latest song, but it was only for one section

[charred merlin]

Beauty! Always love meeting another lyricist 🙂

That being said, human written or AI lyrics, organic or regular, a juggler can only juggle so many apples at once before it accidentally drops some. (I gotta stop mixing so many metaphors. I'm even confusing myself 😛 )

[graceful condor]

I got ya

[icy solstice]

is there a manual somewhere for bracket usage

oop nm

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/ I know you're good, but it could help to share for others 🙂

[amber vigil]

would you mind sharing more about bandlabs? Do you use it to polish suno songs for distribution to youtube / Spotify?

Did i read correctly on their website that they also do distro services?

“Rtfm” is a fine response lol i won’t be offended

[charred merlin]

rtfm -- Realistically, The Free Motherlode of new-web music production services.

#📚┃suno-school message I shared this comment earlier highlighting the 4 big sections that jump out specifically to me ; the AI stem-splitter (which rivals or bests Audacity + OpenVino), the fully featured Digital Audio Workspace, the professional-grade automastering (4 different styles so you can choose if you want your song to be bassy, punchy, crisp, etc), and finally the distribution service ( I use Distrokid for my releases, and haven't looked into their offering yet, but the fact that they're offering 80% royalty on a free account (you get to keep 100% on a paid plan, but for those asking for free alternatives to Distrokid, the g.o.a.t, this is the only respectable company that I've heard offering it so far). Really curious about the distribution side of things. The fact that they have AI generated song-starters (incredibly basic and limited, but STILL) makes me think that they'd be okay with distributing AI gen music, but not sure if they're more DistroKid or TuneCore in that regard.

The first album I worked on, I used Audacity for the main editing and effects like normalization, compression, trimming, whitespace, etc. On a few tracks that were worked on later, I brought the stems into BandLab's DAW to add neat pre-made pedal fx and whatnot. Afterward I ran them through the BandLab mastering to "finalize" the sound and make it sound "radio-ready".

Gotta love DistroKid for handling so much on that side -- creating the spotify, apple music, etc pages, getting all of that linked together. I try to avoid recommending paid services to avoid any improprieties and to avoid making people think it's spam or a paid ad, but legit they've handled so many things that I thought "were out of my reach", and for the $30/year drop in the bucket compared to what some of the services charge monthly, I almost feel like I need to champion both DistroKid's "modular paid options" and BandLab's entirely free unlimited suite (that has entirely option extra paid services that don't detract from the free service)

[amber vigil]

tyvm for such a thorough explanation. I really appreciate it.

Why do you distribute your music? Do you / do you hope to make money from it? Or is it just the love of sharing your work?

[rose ore]

I distribute mine because I want to be part of the discussion. And to share my music on mainstream channels where people listen to music. Avoiding distribution here means, for the most part, being silent, and not having a voice in the way things are playing out. It's not really so much about the money (there isn't much), than it is the exposure, and being in the places where music happens.

[elfin storm]

Ok

I want to ask why I don't have extra credit every day

I have a question about a problem, can I chat here?

[hollow hare]

Suno, like other resource-intensive AI services, uses a refreshing credit system rather than a carry over system, typically for resource allocation reasons.

The only credits that gets carried over are the top-off credits and any special gifts Suno may give off (like the 500 credits a few months back).

[hollow hare]

Depends on the problem, most of us are regular members here. If it is some general technical questions, we should be able to help answer it for you (or you can use the Search option to see if it was asked in the past).

If it is a billing-associated question, you will need to contact [e-mail]. (We should be able to help answer any general questions you may have about it here but anything that needs to be resolved by the staff, you must contact them by e-mail).

If it is a Suno-account question that you need to get in touch with a support staff to have it resolved, please contact [e-mail]

[charred merlin]

The latter -- I write music that I want to hear in the world. Being able to hear my creations easily, getting to share my artwork, the thought that one of my songs might get stuck in someone else's head, or that they might reminisce over the same evocative feeling that made me push that song in that direction. Means the world to me 🙂

[charred merlin]

If I understand, you have a paid account, but want to know why you don't earn 50 credits every day like free users?

[finite heart]

Would this be something you're looking for? I was just messing with tags and I liked what I had come up with. https://suno.com/song/f95ee89c-f14a-4563-bf55-221038698408

[near tangle]

lol not quite

something more silly like small people or Muppets are singing

[cobalt maple]

hello

what about suno vol.1

when the prizes will be given away?

[near tangle]

👋

[finite heart]

I did have a version that reminded me of Tolkien goblins singing. I'll mess around and see if I can get something silly

[finite heart]

Try these prompts in the music style: Goblin Music, Drums, Chanting, angry, soprano, nasally lyrics, muppets, silly, End

[trail bone]

Oh mighty suno gods! Lend me your wisdom for the meta tags for Tempos! I offer the Suno h8ers souls as payment!

[near tangle]

xD

what pray tell is 'Tempos'

😛

you mean tempo meta tags?

[trail bone]

@near tangle n music, tempo refers to the speed at which a piece of music is played. It’s measured in beats per minute (BPM), indicating how many beats occur within a minute

[near tangle]

honestly the way you said Tempos made me think you were looking for tags that suited a group named Tempos

[trail bone]

@near tangle BRUH nope

[near tangle]

but, yes

we need tempo tags, badly

[elfin storm]

Email no response

[trail bone]

@near tangle mhmm its fun but hard meta tags are iffy sometimes for tempos

[near tangle]

NoResponse @ Suno.com

[elfin storm]

Yes, I am a free user

[elfin storm]

What?

[near tangle]

lol just being silly

[charred merlin]

I misunderstood, how many days has it been since you received any credits?

[hollow hare]

The best effect on tempo is using a suitable genre, like do not expect slow tempo when using breakcore, etc. For a list of subgenres, see https://rateyourmusic.com/genres.

You could try seeing if using the Italian tempo tags (like presto) can help: #📚┃suno-school message

I had seen some effect when using down-/mid-/up-tempo. I didn't try other generalized style tempo (e.g. very fast, slow waltz, etc.), something I should test as I feel like it may have an effect. Using <#> BPM does not work AFAIK

[craggy ermine]

Conan vs. the Goblin King, that is a great movie some AI can make some day

[trail bone]

@hollow hare thx emergency food

[elfin storm]

3 years

[clever bloom]

What is the best way to get Suno to make a specific genre into 16-bit?

Every time I try to get a 16 Bit jazz song it just gives me regular jazz

[charred merlin]

To clarify, do you mean that you have not received any credits for Suno.com in 3 days?

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message This post might help shed some light on how Suno reads our prompts -- "16 bit jazz" might be interpreted as "jazz music, and throw a bit of 16 in there for good measure" , because it recognizes them as separate words.

Give me a quick second and I'll make an example playlist with 16-bit-jazz, chiptune-jazz jazz, nintendo, chiptune, retro-game

[elfin storm]

This means I don't get song credits every day and song credits are free after 3 days

[clever bloom]

Okay

[near tangle]

did you attempt to make too many songs that Suno didn't like and you got banned?

or, well, shadow-banned

[elfin storm]

No, I, obey Suno AI's rules

I contacted email but didn't respond

[charred merlin]

Okay -- free credits are supposed to reset to 50 <t:1721098800:R>, and last reset <t:1721012400:R>
How many credits do you have right now?

[hollow hare]

Also give them a few days to respond (and check your junk mail too). If you sent the e-mail during the weekend, it is likely they have not seen it yet due to business hours.

[elfin storm]

295 credits

[charred merlin]

Ahh, it sounds like you have "Extra credits"?

Please would you be able to take a picture of your https://www.suno.com/account page?

No private information is displayed on this page, but you can send it to me in a private message if you prefer ❤️

[charred merlin]

Could you DM the songs? Just trying to avoid the PG-13 thing for the young'uns

@sacred bramble The post was removed because of the song titles--

[sacred bramble]

Okay.

[raw river]

So when you unsub it removed all credits entirely ffs

Just paid $10, unsubbed and it removed all remaining credits entirely

[main cypress]

Maybe this isn't the right channel either, but I can't be the only one with this problem.

Q: Anybody had the problem before that "lives" (the verb) is pronounced like the plural of "life"? I can see how it's hard to determine in this line "our secret lives on", but is there any trick to have it say it properly?

"our secret lives" "on"
vs "our secret" "lives on"

[teal raft]

Yes

and I just slammed prompts till I got past it, didn't take too many

You can phoetically spell it out to avoid this

And since we can currently edit our lyrics

You can fix it visually afterward

[main cypress]

okay I'll try some move, up to 5 tries now... I should use extend, as I liked some of the versions 🙂

[main cypress]

Thanks for the tip, didn't try it phonetically yet. I love the edit lyrics feature... now I have to go back and edit so many songs though 😄

[honest wren]

Hey Suno team,
Quick question:
I'm thinking to extend songs that are publicly available on Suno or ones that other users have shared with me. Can I use the full song generation I've created for commercial purposes? Im pro user
Thanks for the help!

[charred merlin]

Normal considerations still apply regarding other people's content -- if you use someone's song and attempt to monetize it, unless you can argue that you've made enough alterations to the original track to be considered legally distinct, or if it's covered by parody law or something similar, it's a rapidly evolving legal landscape, but I'd say that the platform it's being hosted on would likely pull the plug on your account at the sign of impropriety.

In other terms, if you have a paid membership, Suno assigns the right, title, and interest to the song, ...however, due to the nature of machine learning, Suno makes no representation or warranty to you that any copyright will vest in any Output.

So especially if you're going to use another user's extension for the basis of your Suno song with the intention of monetizing it, I'd refer you to the FAQS

[sage flower]

It's interesting if you can extend other user's songs. Not sure what the intended use-case would be either way

[charred merlin]

The whole "share for listening vs share for collaboration" thing has apparently been circulated a couple times, and while nothing conclusive has come up, it's on their radar.

That said, I think being able to extend others songs is meant to encourage the "remix" culture of Suno -- seeing cool ideas and trying them for yourself.

[oak meadow]

Does anyone know If V2 has been discontinued? I can no longer extend and when i add my own lyrics it only produces an instrumental.

[sage flower]

If anything, does allowing anyone to extend apply only to songs generated on the free plan?

[sharp kraken]

nope. Im premium, and i can extend your tracks. This allows me to remix stuff you made with my own prompting. However - propper ettiquette is to ask for permission

and if you wrote the vocals i believe it would be cr infringement without your permission,so we always ask

[sage flower]

It would make sense if it was only for free tracks, as Suno has the rights etc. For paid users however I don't see that as the best way to go, I'm not a lawyer though

[unique stone]

I think it needs rethinking. It's been possible to do this since the early days, when you used to be able to download each others songs etc. I'd like to see options for usage permissions etc

[torpid thicket]

Had a question; How do you get the linked videos to ONLY show the Cover art, like it happens in some songs, but not all.. Does the Regenerate video button not work like that?

[unique stone]

Discord embed doesn't seem to update for me. Only the downloaded video. Not sure if they just didn't get round to applying it to the embeds or if there's a bug. I know there's been some issues with regenerate video.

[torpid thicket]

Well, the did say it was in beta, right?

[unique stone]

Ah yes, early access. I've been a bit busy so hadn't seen the update post, just seen the problems discussed.

[torpid thicket]

Well, it's a good thing to point out the problems, so they can fix it; No fault

[unique stone]

Yup. I didn't mean my comment in a bad way, just meant I see breakage being discussed and then take note of that for when a subject comes up again 😄

[frozen pivot]

Anyone have network issues when uploading audio? Generating without audio works fine?

[unique stone]

I always get that error. But the upload succeeds and is in the library for me. Check your library in case that's happened.

[frozen pivot]

Thanks..
Sure thing! Went to the library, refreshed and the upload was there several times. Now I can also see them in the create.

[zinc sorrel]

I still have problems with generating last few days, click create and nothing happens, any ideas please? 🙏 Tried clearing cookies, other browsers, log off and log in, nothing worked. Thank you!

[subtle python]

I've wasted 500 credit on trying to make a song, that the AI keeps ruining by repeating verses it had already done, leading to it not getting to the end of the script by 4 minutes and doing the chorus a completely different way each time. What is going on?

[buoyant loom]

Since the suno.com design update, I can no longer add lyrics, music style, or song name. These fields are simply missing. I use a free account with 50 new credits per day. It would be nice if this function was added again for users who have a free account and have not uploaded their own melody.It's a shame that Suno.com simply threw away such a great feature and made it unusable.

[hollow hare]

You need to enable Custom mode, it is just to the left of the Upload Audio button

[hollow hare]

Maybe it is this issue? You should be able to confirm it if you go into Inspect Mode in a desktop browser
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252332553738653838

[hollow hare]

v3.5 is like pretty bad at ending. To completely end a song, extend where you would like to end and set the extension to 2.0 or 3.0 then use an ending tag like [End], [Fade out], [Big finish], etc.
I would set the style prompt as "End, Short". (Short so hopefully the song ends within 8 seconds for a credit refund).

#💬┃general-chat message

[rare wren]

The repeating verse is the most annoying thing right now. How can anyone use the suno right now? I have to wait once they fix it. With thst i dont have any motivation to create new songs

[hollow hare]

See #📚┃suno-school message conversation
(basically try extending in small chunks when you encounter that issue)

[viral lotus]

I had this problem as well for a few minutes (on mobile) and closing/re-entering didn't help. It resolved itself. I have a paid plan.

[rare wren]

It cause that quality goes down

[candid helm]

Suno keep doing placing random part lyrics, not following sequence lyrics provide by user. This. Is. Very. Very. Very. Very. Very. Critical. Big. Bad. Bugs. If I should Say. This is not forgiven and not acceptable. I lost count how many credits wasted just because that annoying placing random lyrics.

[feral moss]

hello guys, i watched a video on youtube and through discrod i see that i can take a credits

how can i do it? who know's?

[waxen gulch]

hello guys ^^ i want to understand if i can set at what BPM rhythm the song can go. Thanks 😄

[viral lotus]

It's not exactly a bug. It's the way the model is trained. The only way to accomplish this type of app is through machine learning and machine learning is not programming something saying "Do exactly this". The model basically takes the input and makes many thousands of decisions based upon what it was trained on.

[viral lotus]

I've seen people set tempo, but they also say it doesn't work often

[waxen gulch]

okok thanks

[viral lotus]

you can simply include "slow tempo" or "slow lyric" or related tags in the style box. It works sometimes.

[viral lotus]

Do you know of any tutorials on bandlabs automastering?

Also, have you seen any revenue from your songs (just interested...I certainly don't have $$$ in my eyes)?

[viral lotus]

I tried this and cannot figure out how to delete them. Clicking on any of the individual song's "Delete Permanently" deselects all the others. And I also tried using the DEL key. EDIT: I continued holding down ctrl-a while clicking "delete permanently" and it only deselects the one that I clicked and deletes all the others, so that's ok for now

[stiff sable]

with bandlab mastering, you just upload the audio and it spits out some different styles that you can listen to and pick from - it's that easy! no tutorial needed! if you're looking for something more advanced and customisable, you could give LANDR a go but it costs a subscription or a one-off fee to export your mastered file too

[viral lotus]

I'm new to this...what is the difference after it is remasterd? What does remastering accomplish?

[stiff sable]

releasing your songs on streaming platforms would require you really to do a bit of marketing legwork if you want it to get anywhere, otherwise youre just adding your song into the pool of 50k+ that gets added every day to just sit there and never pick up a single listen. spotify wont pay you unless you hit 1k plays per song and even then 1 stream equates to less than half a cent!

[viral lotus]

I wasn't really asking for the $$$, I was more asking to find out how many views he is getting, but you answered my question.

I'm thinking about putting some on youtube paired with RunwayML Gen 3 videos

again, just for the hell of it

[stiff sable]

mastering is a combination of many different things usually considered the final polish on a song, so setting the volume levels and dynamics of the track, the compression, the 'tone' or 'color' of the song, basically topping up the quality to be release-ready. suno itself doesn't master songs it created, but a lot of the material it is trained of obviously is mastered already, so your outputs will retain characteristics of a mastered track a lot of the time.

when you're uploading a suno audio to be mastered on a site like bandlab, its usually bcos you are trying to clean it up and level off the volumes, clear the 'bad' audio and frequencies out of suno's generation so it sounds like a higher quality track!

[stiff sable]

100% i'd say go for it. you've generated some cool stuff so you might as well share it! you never know where it might lead to until you've put it out! and there are cool opportunities waiting!

[naive quail]

It doesn't currently work when using CTRL+A to select all of the files, but it definitely works if you use the other Windows multiselect methods. You can select multiple contiguous tracks by clicking on the first one, holding down SHIFT and then clicking on the last file in the group. Holding down the CTRL key while selecting will select only the tracks that you click on.

[ocean grotto]

What is the most comprehensive style guide right now?

That lists different style, moods etc

[blissful dirge]

Ive been testing the upload function, I managed to get a quite good one and because I didn't read, last second some lyrics slipped in and i cant make it public now （ ´-`）

I even had cut that part on the first extend but it somehow still counts

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.wiki/ There isn't an exhaustive list anywhere, as that's kind of the same as asking "What words can I use to talk to ChatGPT"

The kicker of the challenge is experimenting to figure out WHAT style prompts are recognized by WHICH model in specific ways.

To quote the devs, I'd treat each model as a newborn kid. You would teach and grow each kid similarly but also differently based on their personalities, talents, etc..., meaning that the styles listed in the "Style & Genre" of the community wiki should only really be used as suggestions as they were tested on v2.

[charred merlin]

Ooof -- I've even seen a couple instances where specific instrument noises get false-flagged as "Human Vocals" like digeridoo.

Really hoping we can edit the uploaded audio segment before submitting soon ❤️

[wintry saddle]

I treat each model as a multidimesional cloud which has concepts and we dont yet know the co-ordinates of said concepts - then we say take me to X - and it goes O THATS OVER HERE, and i'm like o this pretty park doesn't look like the haunted forrest V2 took me on a magical journey too - but you have one of those too right, and the AI nods at me enthusiastically but wont tell me quite how to get there - and 500 prompts later we find it....

[lime sundial]

Just got the genius idea to name my tracks with emojis.
Like... ⭐⭐✰✰✰
Made me want to share it, even if I'm probably not the 1st.

[quartz kraken]

I can't access v1 songs

[visual nimbus]

I have a question. I use Subo Bark in web UI, but the CPU usage keeps increasing. I want to process it quickly with GPU. Is there a way to do it?

[midnight swan]

Does the app plan on adding a repeat song/playlist at all?

I’d love to listen to my playlist but annoying when driving and it ends and I have to restart it again

[quartz kraken]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[elfin storm]

The lyrics are wrong and not clear, especially if you can't hear the vocals

[charred merlin]

This is a surprisingly apt description of how it works.

The first few "Doctor Who-esque journeys" you take with it might leave you aboslutely bewildered but amazed, so you ask this magician if you can come along for another unexpected journey.

10 seasons later and you're the musical equivalent of a time-travelling god, just casually swinging by the year 3040 so you can grab the latest Apple Watch that has a force-field protection bubble so you can safely enjoy hanging out back in the dinosaur-times, just the same as you'd know how exactly to go about accomplishing something like "Let me just grab a hint of hillbilly-bluegrass to shove into this Norwegian-death-metal"

cough-@naive quail, you rock-cough

[elfin storm]

the lyrics of verse 4 are not sung and the vocals are not clear from 01.24-01.31

[wintry saddle]

I'd hope so - it was my masters degree area 😉

but that was a long time ago...

[naive quail]

Been there, done that?

[charred merlin]

This is a phenomenal idea! Visually effective at a glance, and is a great way to organize tracks until we have a more effective workspace setup. The definition of an elegant solution. 🤌💋

I'm kinda lazy, so I used to just give them a thumbs up or add them to a playlist for later review, but this is a great idea. Even 🔴 🟡 🟢 , or any sort of crazy "Wilmot's Warehouse"-style organizational method that makes sense to you

[charred merlin]

been there, done that, got trapped in the wasteland, nuked Megaton, gave Dogmeat a long and happy life, found the G.E.C.K., and saved the world

[wintry saddle]

I tried this a little bit but get too lazy to rename tracks

just want to move on

it is a good solution considering what we have

I do use a few keywords to help me tho like --seed --pre-release etc

and sometimes put them in playlists

but more intent than action I am afraid... (only punnishing myself tho!)

[elfin storm]

@wintry saddle How to not hear the vocals and skip verse 4 to the last verse so that verse 4 is complete

[charred merlin]

Not every track is worth it, but when I'm putting stuff together specifically for an album, this would prevent me from listening to ~5+ different versions of the same extension to find "the one that did that really cool thing and makes me think of Lindsey's green jacket" -- now I can just throw a jacket emoji in the name, and the fact that I'm labelling it at all means that it's important

[wintry saddle]

how do you mean Muji?

like you have a verse 4 and a verse 5 penned out?

and want to skip verse 4?

[elfin storm]

The irregular lyrics from verse 3 skip and the voice in verse 4 is not heard

[charred merlin]

The discord bot has been discontinued -- you'll need to use https://www.suno.com to create music. If you have any previous DMs from the ChirpBot you might be able to view your old songs that way, but Chirp is before my time 😅

[elfin storm]

you just listen to what I sent

[elfin storm]

I have verse 4

[wintry saddle]

I hear verse 3 - and at least some of verse 4?

[small swan]

I cant find one of my songs in the library

Not in the trash can

[wintry saddle]

in the case of you REALLY liking the tune

cut and extend from before verse 3 perhaps

and delete all lyrics in box before verse 3

[charred merlin]

!!! I found a workaround ❤️ Give me a second to record it

[elfin storm]

Yes, that's the song from verse 3 to verse 4, the sound is not clear

[wintry saddle]

it should give you a working cut from that point (which sounds clear too)

I dont speak that language well enough to appreciate the deterioration fully

CUT with an EXTEND at 00:49 or 00:50 with Verse 3 onwards.

[elfin storm]

This song is Indonesian, not English 😊

[wintry saddle]

You can even slighty change genre tags if you want to pump up the atmosphere of song into 2nd half etc.

usually strange lyric structures (sllyable count wise) break the flow of things - so you need some insturmentals to fill in the missing bars... or force it with some extends

just the nature of the beast.

[charred merlin]

@midnight swan

On the mobile browser website, place the phone in landscape mode for a quick second to view the extended playback options and select repeat ❤️

I know a lot of features are missing from the iOS app, but give them time ❤️

[elfin storm]

@wintry saddle is there a tutorial for that?

[elder mountain]

Did anyone crack Suno enough to make a course to sell?

[charred merlin]

https://github.com/suno-ai/bark?tab=readme-ov-file#-faq

[elfin storm]

@wintry saddle If you say that, I'm afraid the credits will run out because out of 190 song credits, this song is better

[charred merlin]

You can chain multiple Extend sections together by Extending from and Extension, then using "Get Whole Song" from the 3 dot interaction menu. It costs no credits to "Get Whole Song", so have fun making a 20 minute song if you so desire ❤️

[wintry saddle]

tutorial for what bit?

Get whole song is free

the extend will fix your last bit its cheaper than rerunning the whole song every time and hoping for the best (80% of the time)

[charred merlin]

"Get whole song is free"
zero credits, do it as often as you want.

Extending from a full song gives different result from extending from an extension

[wintry saddle]

we have loads of tutorials for extending tricks and song control in workflows.

[hollow hare]

Also, there actually is one: https://www.suno.wiki/faq/making-music/how-do-i-make-the-song-longer/ and the videos that 3Daizy made (linked at #1151542418991239168 )

[wintry saddle]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252267444773326848 <-- go read the tutorials 🙂

[elfin storm]

yes, tutorial to solve it

[wintry saddle]

click extend on the song you like (and linked me too)

on the box enter 00:50

delete all lyrics before [verse 3]

make sure it has an [end] tag at end

generate....

thats the core of what you need to do.

[elfin storm]

yes that's possible

You can chat privately, I can't chat new

[charred merlin]

Caught up & ready to start the day ❤️

Alikan, you're super-cool 🙂

What kind of music do you make?

[elfin storm]

@wintry saddle thanks for Information

[wintry saddle]

Varies depends on the project, Metal / Alternative Metal - did / doing Orchestro-step stuff... (so alt. EDM / Dubstep) - and toying around with Musical Inspired stuff.

Probably will release some 80's inspired cheese again one day

[elfin storm]

@wintry saddle Now you can make a perfect song, but after that can you continue with verse 1 and the end?

[wintry saddle]

hmm you mean repeat the start of song?

[elfin storm]

Yes, I did what you said, I was satisfied. I want to combine the previous songs

[wintry saddle]

When you extend a song you go from [FULL SONG A] to [metadata + A EXTEND 1] and [metadata + A EXTEND 2] .........

you now clicj the 3 dots on the part 2 (extend)

and click get full song

rest is automatic.

the meta data says the root + timestamp of where to join the parts too (you dont need to worry about that but, just nice to know its there)

if you extend an extend.... and then get that full song -> it connects all 3 parts.....

which is why some of us have 1000s of files and organisation of what connects to what can become a bit fun 😉

[elfin storm]

Was there any influence from the previous song when editing the original song?

[wintry saddle]

extending you mean?

[elfin storm]

yes extension

[wintry saddle]

editing a song only changes the 'displayed' lyrics to the end user (not the system) - as a side note

[elfin storm]

does that mean you can't?

[wintry saddle]

Extending works by taking (I think for v3.5? 60s? @charred merlin ) of context - and uses that data + the genre data you supply in style to direct the direction

so if you leave the style the same - it will flow and stay VERY similiar

infact many extends may sound pretty close

if you start changing words or do a double extend (like a 3s extend) + another extend on top of that - you will break the context stream a little bit - so get more varience

(I would say some meta data still carries, as to get a full GENRE shift, I usually have to do severeal extends in a row and guide it....)

example of more crazy changes: https://suno.com/song/0d61530b-e249-4e00-93cc-17a468f28462

[elfin storm]

What does that mean, leave it alone or re-edit it?

[wintry saddle]

well you always have the full song now

you can press edit on the lyrics of the full song (new feature) to fix them

so it looks right at least

and your free to extend any part / full part more if you want as well - thats your choice!

[elfin storm]

Ok

[elfin storm]

Good song

[wintry saddle]

just playing around tbh

but thanks 🙂

[elfin storm]

I've edited

the correct one

[wintry saddle]

dont forget to mark it as public

If you want anyone to have a chance to see it

good luck on your Suno Journey! gtg now.

[elfin storm]

Thank you for the information, thank you as much as possible

[rustic blade]

hey uhh

does anyone here happen to know where i can change the generated png

[wintry saddle]

public switch

[rustic blade]

wait thars it?

[wintry saddle]

edit image is in the 3 ...'s

[rustic blade]

where

[wintry saddle]

edit details

or click into the song itself

[rustic blade]

but it only shows me another png

[wintry saddle]

click edit details... then....

]

add new image

in there you can also generate a new image from suno gen

[rustic blade]

wahh

[wintry saddle]

sorry - pro land 😦

[rustic blade]

welp that sucks

is there any way to change generated image by the title or anything???

[wintry saddle]

if you extend and make a new part - maybe - but not practically.

thats the old way we used to do it 😦

[rustic blade]

ive extended it 2 times already 💀

[wintry saddle]

but you are not a pro - so you will burn the few credits you have very quickly

chasing random art

unadvised.

[rustic blade]

bro i legit have 10 credits left 💀💀💀

welp

city background here we go

[charred merlin]

I've heard 2m of context memory, but I feel like I've noticed earlier motifs returning when using "Get Whole Song" to extend from instead of a 2m extension to extend from (which arguably would be the same in that case?).

This could just be hallucinations, and I haven't been able to set aside time to comprehensively test it -- though I'll make them available in a playlist for people to refer to when I do.

I love the drumroll at 0:13 followed by the accentuated pause -- such a fun song! Did the assistance from @wintry saddle help you create the song you wanted?

[elfin storm]

Yes sir

[elfin storm]

it's the same, bro

tens of song credits spent on that, damn what a good song😊

[hoary cobalt]

Hello, is an a cappella mode possible in the prompt ?
Hello, est-ce qu'un mode a cappella est possible dans le prompt ?

[charred merlin]

Oui! C'est tres possible!

Our kind host 3Daizy noticed that the classical Italian "a cappella" is much more heavily weighted than the anglicized "acapella", but it's hard to know which prompts can overpower others until you "get your hands dirty" and try combining them.

This seems important enough to a large number of users that I feel like it might be helpful for me to make some a public playlist to quickly explore this idea -- I'll try to have it shared in this channel in the next few hours ❤️

[serene viper]

Is there a system issue with the extending sessions?

Never mind, it kind of lag for a few and now boom got 4 extensions

SMH

But wait

[charred merlin]

Legit panic justified, however.

[serene viper]

I had 4

Then two loading as of now

So seems like two were removed

[charred merlin]

If we wait a sec in case the server needs to catch it's breath or needs to tie it's shoelaces, could you close & reopen your browser (maybe just refresh is cool) to see if you still only have 2/4?

I've only seen it mentioned a couple times before when I search for "credit history", but I would love to see a "Credits History" popup modal on the Subscription page to show how credits have generated, reset, and been spent (perhaps credit expenditure could default to a condensed dropdown list as not to overwhelm the UI)

[restive lotus]

so... my suno is messing up, not really sure what's going on, but it's forced a LOT of generations at once, thus kind of wasting my credits

[charred merlin]

As a good first step, close and reopen your browser, and for testing purposes, please try to visit Suno from a private window (if you have any extensions set to operate in private mode, please turn them off as well just for this temporary step)

I'd still like to investigate the matter a bit further regardless, but could you let me know if the issue persists in this case?

[restive lotus]

that was my first thought actually, I've already done that with no avail to it bugging out

I opened the console and seen a lot of stuff going on with my addons, so my first thought was, hey, an addon may be conflicting, but nah, that didn't change it

just to show you what's happening

[naive quail]

The server's probably overloaded

[charred merlin]

There we go

[restive lotus]

yep, that explains it, though kinda sucks about my credits, 50 wasted on that bug out lol

[charred merlin]

@serene viper looks like it was due to a server thing afterall, to help better solve these kinds of weird issues where songs start to generate then stop at the last second, did this happen on a paid or free account?

[serene viper]

Paid

[hard mango]

cant upload audio right now either 😦

[naive quail]

I'm seeing stalled renders from other people in my create window now. Whacky Suno server.

[worthy ridge]

[verse 1] keeps generating twice on every song as of last night

[trim mirage]

from now SUNO only for paid member??

[hollow hare]

Only for a while (probably up to a few hours at most) when most of the queue is cleared up and/or issues relating to the delay gets fixed

The worst case I remember was it happening for like a day or so and that happened during the server migration (and the large user influx the day before which caused the need for the infrastructure to be upgraded iirc)

[charred merlin]

Not an "official change" -- when Suno is VERY BUSY, paid users first, free users second

[trim mirage]

ok, thanks for information... why isn't there a payment option via PayPal or cryptocurrency??

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1254232844767854665 Currently it is difficult to coordinate payments globally, Suno is still very new and they are exploring ways of approaching this. But you can upvote the existing known-suggestion to show the developers it is very important ❤️

[worthy ridge]

also, they're being sued by extremely large corporations right now. they have to be able to ID their premium users for copyright issues

[hollow hare]

The audio generated by Suno already has an inaudible watermark (audiomark) integrated.

Besides, the lawsuit will take years to resolve and that is not simply the cause of the issue (given that the lawsuit was presented about 3 weeks ago #🗣️┃chill-chat message )

The last time this happened was due to a huge influx of new users (which happened due to a famous youtuber talking about Suno iirc)

[oblique dove]

Is there a way to choose a key for the song? In style? or as a part of custom lyrics?

[charred merlin]

Not explicitly through prompting (at least not that I've seen demonstrated reasonably or consistently), but you can upload 6-60s of audio, and if there's enough for Suno to "hook onto", it should be able to continue the key very reasonably

[hollow hare]

^ also you can influence it by describing the mood of the song in styles prompt (e.g. melancholy acoustic) but audio upload is likely the best way

[oblique dove]

yes, this could work really well, mess around in midi get a nice chord progression in the key I want and it shuld go from there right?

[charred merlin]

lmao, I would love if you could upload 6s of a "pitch whistle" like barbershop quarters use to set the tone -- that would obviously be better when we can go back and trim out the first couple seconds of a song before sharing it on the site, but that's another thing I'm testing tonight -- gotta check the other one -- a cappella

[hollow hare]

It should theoretically but sometimes the AI does weird things

Not Weird AL type of weird sadly but more like toddler still learning what it thinks what you mean

[charred merlin]

v3.5 is a little more structured, and trained to avoid "weirdness" once it has a solid song structure to continue from -- that doesn't mean that there aren't inherent quirks, like creating "generic" or "samey" content without a strong prompt or existing song to continue from, and of course v3.5 can get stuck on what it believes to be "the best option for continuing the song", leading to 9/10 generations going in the same direction (such as starting to end the song when you want the energy and drums to continue)

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-damn-cant-trapped-stuck-gif-14750427

[oblique dove]

Is there an order to the style prompt. What I mean is in midjourney, we ask for (subject, scene, style) in addition, the words that come first are more heavily weighted in the prompt.

Is this the same with Suno? Should mood come after styles like disco and hip hop, or should it come before? Are the words in front weighted more heavily than the ones in back?

[charred merlin]

...you're giving me ideas, my friend.

[oblique dove]

With some testing, and looking back at past projects, order does seem to mater, but I'd love some outside testing. Not sure on whats best with mood vs style vs instrument and the order. I wonder if other tricks work as well. Like sometimes AI get distracted, and well, you want a sword, so you say (sword, sword sword sword, sword sword, sword) instead of (sword, oil paint)

Like if I want it 33% disco, do I say (Rap, Rap, Disco) so that rap is weighted a little heavier than disco?

oooh doubling up on words did seem to affect it. I doubled up on aggressive, and it now very much leans that way.

[teal raft]

Yep

Double or triple words can be v. convincing to Suno

[naive quail]

Gotta factor in the fact that some genres/styles/instruments may have more weight than others, as well. Music Boxes, for example, are overpowered.

While Handpans get spanked by almost everything.

[unkempt goblet]

Hi! I don't really see a place to report / share a funny bug. I did click the in app button, but as it occurs at 3:55 mark might be missed by the team. Is it normal to get demon marching and chanting at the end of your songs?

https://suno.com/song/dcf9fbda-9ec2-4ada-a0d8-29138d02fdf5

[naive quail]

Maybe not "normal", but definitely not unheard of. I've had screaming demons, gunshots, sirens, evil laughter, and a myriad of other strange sounds. 😄

[dusty dock]

HELP!

[naive quail]

#📚┃suno-school message

Probably related to that

[wise hollow]

QQ

[charred merlin]

@dusty dock @wise hollow Cloudflare 5xx errors and Network Errors usually indicate that you just need to wait a couple minutes until the internet stops having a "brainfart".

While it's frustrating to have an internet-hiccup interrupt your creative flow, there's nothing that anyone is able to do or investigate unless the issue persists for an extended period of time. ❤️

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[lavish sun]

hey fam < 3

is there any way in the world to avoid Suno to do any kick-drum, snare-drum, hi-hats, beats or any type of drum at all in the requests i'm asking?

like sometimes i'm just putting piano and suddenly mid song the beats start coming, it's a bit frustrating and i haven't found the way to avoid it, not even adding drumless or no beats/no drums etc

kindly, if you have any magical prompt for this, i would love to know because i'm wasting credits like crazy T_T

[high kraken]

Be Explicit in Your Request: Use very clear and specific language. Instead of just saying "no drums" or "drumless," try more detailed instructions such as "only piano with no percussion or rhythm section."

Like put that in the lyrics before the next drop

[only piano with no percussion or rhythm section.]
<Then lyric words>

This was the only thing chatGPT suggested (This answer might not be good)

[rocky lintel]

Generating Video wont work1

adding image now wont work too

[trim glade]

What happened to the German voice? The same voice is always generated no matter what genre I generate. The voice is always a wannabe rap voice. This is extremely annoying, there were such good voices coming out before the update and now it's always loud and tiring, plus this disgusting voice. It's no longer fun to generate something in German.

[rocky lintel]

german voice are fine https://suno.com/song/775c3860-aa9c-4c3a-9dbe-c70860b32bee

[trim glade]

when i generated some thing the voice is always the same.. that is good but my is only very bad and loud

[rocky lintel]

which genre?

[trim glade]

Anime.. not more and than comes extreme rock , with very loud voice , the voice ist so disgusting

[agile veldt]

it feels like there are just a few voices to choose between lately

[rocky lintel]

some genres german vocals are bad

[agile veldt]

at least with v3.5. there isn't a lot of variation IMHO.

[charred merlin]

@lavish sun Not only does Suno not have a "negative prompting" section, it also doesn't understand "negatives"

"[no-drums]" is basically the same as asking for "drums" with the random "prompt decoration" of "no".

[glacial scarab]

I think the 524 might be related to IPv6 as when I disable it during the issue it instantly starts to work again. I am however a very small sample size to be certain that it is not just coincidence.

[charred merlin]

You need to think of ways to explain the lack of drums, but if anyone has specific prompts that they are CERTAIN work, and are willing to stake their name to it, I'll generate 4-8 songs on each model using your prompt technique to test the method out.

Sorry I've been so inactive today, everyone -- "Suno Prompt Experiments" are on the way 😉

[agile veldt]

a negative prompt would be super useful though

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1253341197917884530 Highest rated known-suggestion with 104 current "upvotes" -- let's see those numbers skyrocket! I'm sure the devs can't ignore 204 upvotes

[agile veldt]

oh okay. 😄 👍

[charred merlin]

Out of curiosity, are you getting similar voices across wildly varying style prompts, or do some genres seem specifically weighted to generate similar voices?

Kinda like how "math rock" primarily generates a wildly over complex guitar line more commonly than a slow methodical off-timed lick, I wonder if specific genres or styles lean toward specific vocal tones

[agile veldt]

i do get other voices when changing style... even though, even there it seems like there are just a few contenders. and lately every style i ask for becomes sort of pop, with power synths and doubled vocals which is quite out-of-style for many of the genres i usually want to go for.

[rocky lintel]

video generation time out 😦

[agile veldt]

basically it's super easy for me to recognize suno generations

it wasn't back in the v3alpha days though

back then it could fool me any time

sticking to instrumental music makes suno less recognizable though

because it's the voice effect that i recognize

[rocky lintel]

it takes a whilr to find the right prompts for a favorite voice, but once you have found , you can do all with his voice 😉

[agile veldt]

but even when doing instrumental, it's not that hard to recognize

[lavish sun]

thank you for your answers! definitely super helpful while waiting for deeper solutions

much love Suno fam 🫶

[restive lotus]

so, I got a bug that's almost 100% guaranteed to be replicated with ease

if you have a song, and it's around the 4 minute mark, normally what I like to do, is if it's that far along I will generally render the whole song and THEN continue from to bring an earlier leitmotif/voice/progression that it's "forgotten" from being too far back, and it works, BUT it will almost always 100% of the time hallucinate in some way shape or form

in the example I am using right now, the song literally will not listen to anything I put at all, it always sings the exact same thing no matter what I put

it's to the point to where I am literally burning through hundreds of credits just to get to it say something anything else

[charred merlin]

Just once or multiple times/videos?

[rocky lintel]

once

[charred merlin]

I would agree most of the time (although it's approaching the audial equivalent of uncanny valley), but it's most prominent when given a large prompt collection (lyrics/tags/harry/styles) instead of effective use of prompting, but startin the songs off instrumentally with v3 seems to be my safe workaround to avoid some of those "samey" qualities you might be referring to.

And I know it feels like a cop-out, but report the heck out of those generations ... > Report > Bug > Poor Audio or one of the similar bug reports to help ensure future models knock V3x out of the park

[charred merlin]

The few times that I've gotten a "unique" voice, it was entirely unintentional, and it's like stumbling across a unicorn -- it only happens when you're lost in the woods and not expecting it, and it's a beautiful moment that you just need to appreciate for what it is.

When you go back to that same forest, specifically trying to show your friends what you saw, you end up finding some unrelated goat chewing on a tin can and your friends think you're a fool.

I largely do instrumentals for the same reason, but also because I would prefer to record and overlay my own vocals one day for a re-release

[charred merlin]

I know the internet was a bit slippery today at times, but usually Cloudflare is pretty good at catching balance without dropping anything -- are you still having issues? Either with that song (or any others as a test)?

cloudflare be like

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-tobey-spiderman-food-stopping-maguire-gif-21507797

[rocky lintel]

with all songs

wont work for me with all songs now

i willt try it tomorrow

[charred merlin]

Hrm, are you using v3.5 for the extensions? Unless you started the clip with an audio upload and are required to use that model for extensions, have you tried v3? It's not trained on following the specific song structure so strictly, so it's helpful for "breaking out of a groove", even if you just use it for long enough to change something.

I'd love to get more specific context regarding the memory context of the models... I'll see if I can wrangle that information up.

[dry aspen]

I currently can't use the upload audio feature. It says it successfully uploads, but then it also throws a network error and it no longer exists.

[restive lotus]

I am only using v3.5 currently, the whole song's been 3.5

[charred merlin]

❤️ What error message do you receive when attempting to download the video?

[restive lotus]

my assumption was that it's max context is 4 minutes, it'd make sense since it can make 4 minute generations that it's at LEAST that long, but there's also it's forgetfulness after a few renders, so my guess is that it can search back 2 or 3 renders, but through a whole song, has around 4 minutes

[rocky lintel]

sometime no, sometime error dont read it

[charred merlin]

They both have their areas of expertise -- v3 is the younger brother who comes up with crazy wild ideas and brings all of the youthful adreneline and energy, and v3.5 is the older brother who's a little more jaded toward life -- he knows how things work, and sometimes can be kinda checked out if you talk to him by himself or don't know HOW to talk to him (I mean, his younger brother just seems to listen, what is his problem?), but if you let the two of them play together, it's a kodak moment Suno kinda thing

[rocky lintel]

i wait on V5

[restive lotus]

hm, I'll see what I can do regarding that, though, it is a complex song, I could be maybe just being too complex for it to even understand at all

I've got this split personality vocalist kinda thing going on, which worked well on single generations, but on longer ones, ehhhh

[charred merlin]

The trick to hyper-complex songs (that you have control over) is know when to extend, and what model to extend with. Music theory helps if you took those classes in elementary & high school, but getting your hands dirty with Suno is the best way to go about it.

(not directed at you, but to anyone who it could help) If you're trying to learn and only have so many credits to spend, don't simply copy someone else's tags/styles, ask them what kind of music they make and why they chose the prompts they chose -- a Sunovator will likely have explanations for each little "learned gem" of a prompt they've started to use, and without understanding their specific context of what it's being weighted against, it can be hard for them to properly guarantee what works in your song.

I'm glad that people are talking more about "weighting", like Toker mentioning how "handpan" is possible, but it gets overpowered VERY easily. If someone finds a way to reliably prompt "handpan" out of suno, there's no guarantee that it'll carry the same effectiveness when being put beside something as mightily weighted as "metal". -cough cough 🤣 -

[naive quail]

raises an eyebrow

[restive lotus]

that's kinda the fun and kinda the chore with suno, figuring out when to extend, sometimes it can be before a hit, or when a hit occurs, but from what I've used generally on the 4th or 8th bar, or just a little for fills and variations works pretty well

I'll post the song in here when I am done with it though, why not, I've never actually uploaded any of my tracks on suno

[naive quail]

Did someone order a handpan? https://suno.com/song/a9506989-1633-4b7e-80c4-8af68c451ab5

[elfin storm]

why isn't there a continuation of the song?

[restive lotus]

could you potentially be out of credits?

[elfin storm]

There are still 50 credits left

[restive lotus]

hm, then I am really not sure on that one honestly

[elfin storm]

I refreshed and changed the desktop and still couldn't get the credit to 0

[restive lotus]

are you a paying user, or a free user?

because they might still be having paid only generations going, I'm just not seeing the notif for that anywhere

[elfin storm]

free users

[restive lotus]

then they might still be doing paid only generations

[elfin storm]

but I sent an email with information about this problem

[restive lotus]

I'm just another user trying to help, I am not affiliated with suno in any way shape or form, so you'll have to wait for suno to reply to you on that one

[elfin storm]

Suno, who emailed [e-mail], responded to the question, namely a screenshot of the problem

[restive lotus]

what?

[elfin storm]

Okay friend

[elfin storm]

I'm waiting for a reply to the email from Suno, I hope I can solve this problem

[limber bramble]

Well i don't want my points erased if i dont use them, thats a robbery

This is my last month until they fix it.

[heady sun]

Not sure if this is #📚┃suno-school but listen to the song and then listen to the song starting at 2:40.

https://suno.com/song/7ae9a02d-6d39-476c-bb07-17d318802a37

[quartz prairie]

Never understood why the AI does that, happens a lot to songs I make too. They "end" like 2-3 times.

[elfin storm]

Song good

[heady sun]

It's good but that weird problem in the middle ruined it

[elfin storm]

Try listening to my song from before

I sent a link to the exact same song but this song skips verses far away

[restive lotus]

ya know, that song I mentioned earlier, I'm now in 2000+ credits trying to just get it to do the right lyrics 💀

I actually just sat here and spent $16 just for a single part, thats absurd

[elfin storm]

I got credit from the problematic Suno, namely 745 song credits from 9000+ song results for perfect songs😌

[shut moat]

there seems to be no member support channel in discord

i can't sign in with my phone, because i set up my account with discord on my computer, and there was a digital handshake so I didn't have to put in a password, but there is no option to even set up a password on the site so...I guess I can never use Suno on my phone unless I pay for 2 separate accounts?

[simple lava]

Is there areason all my songs are now untitled and not showing up in my library when i select public?

[shut moat]

well I'll ask later i gotta go.

[charred merlin]

Correct -- the only official support is through email. Discord support is offered on a volunteer basis currently ❤️ Sorry I was wrapped up today

[charred merlin]

Definitely a weird result, and I'd say a candidate for ... > Report > Bugs > Doesn't Follow Style and ... > Report > Bugs > Poor Audio.

Luckily the quirk happens late enough into the song that you should be able to use either V3x model to comfortably extend from it, and "Get Whole Song" on the extensions to piece it all together.

-# By the way, I saw the DM about the different San Fran boroughs, and I think that's SUCH a cool idea -- I sort of had that idea when I pointed out you had a full length just about the city itself, I was curious what elements or certain districts would infuence your next one 🙂

[charred merlin]

Unless you're trying the exact same thing ad nauseum, I'm utterly speechless as to how something like this could happen. I know you shared the song, but can you share the specific extension point you're trying to use, and what specifically you're entering in the lyrics/tags/styles so we can investigate what might be happening?

[restive lotus]

yeah, I'm just quickly trying to finish it

alright, getting ready to put it here, just rendering full song

https://suno.com/song/9e244808-0775-4429-bd6e-9dec718b673f

this is what was giving me so many issues

[charred merlin]

You absolutely can use the same Suno account, you just need to ensure that you're signing in with the same Discord / Phone account that you used originally.

When you signed up through Discord and it autoregistered, it didn't bypass the association phase, that Suno account is linked to the Discord account you were signed into when you registered.

[restive lotus]

I think over 3000 credits in total on just some parts specifically

and for the lyrics tags and styles, I changed them quite a bit, noithing really worked, I just kinda had to work with what it spat out

[charred merlin]

(Attempting to “sign up” with a method that you’ve already created an account with simply signs you in, btw)

From this page, you can either use SMS sign in, or when clicking Discord — you use the DISCORD account and password that use were signed into when the registration happened, you don’t have a separate “Suno account”, you log into Suno through Discord or the other services

[charred merlin]

I'm sure you tried a lot of different things, but without an example of the specific extension point you're trying to use, and what specifically you're entering in the lyrics/tags/styles, there isn't much to investigate.

[restive lotus]

that's fair, what exactly can I do to show you, because I don't remember the exact seconds, but I do still have the prompts of some and stuff

[charred merlin]

A couple seconds +/- shouldn't make a big deal, but if you share the song that you're starting with, let me know roughly the points where you've been trying to extend from, and in one of the "part 2/3/X" sections, copy all of the "Style of Music" prompts, and everything in the "lyrics" section that you put into the "lyrics" box when you clicked "Extend"

You can click "reuse prompt" on one of the extensions to "grab" the lyrics & style prompts as they get autopopulated into the "Create" bar after doing that

The only thing beyond the "original" song would be letting me know when in the song you're placing the extension, whether its at the very end of the song, at 2:00, 2:13, etc. I just ask that you don't give vague timestamps like "after the drums start" or "after the girl sings dont break my heeeart"

Again, I don't care about it being a couple seconds +/-, but if you've literally clicked "Extend/Create" ~300 times in order to spend spend 3000 credits you should be vaguely familiar with what time you were placing the extensions from

[cold kiln]

vocals always sounds like whispering Billie Eilish-like crap that is impossible to hear what it says.
But it sounds OK if I generate a song not from uploaded music.
Is there any way to make it clearer?
SUNO destroys the quality only when I do extensions from uploaded music (without singing, just instrumental).
Help!

[heady sun]

We don't call them boroughs. Either neighborhood or district. We aint New York! 😂

[graceful condor]

Guys, suno is not opening for me

It's in that screen

[viral lotus]

@charred merlinCan I PM you?

[charred merlin]

Absolutely, even more so after having kindly asked ❤️

I'm heading to bed shortly so I can't guarantee I'll be able to respond right away, but I'll answer as soon as I can 🤘

[charred merlin]

Hrm, it sounds like the uploaded track is strongly influencing the vocals in this instance -- a couple questions to better familiarize myself with the matter; 1) how long is the audio you've uploaded? 2) what style prompts or [metatags] are you using? 3) you can DM them if you'd prefer, but can you share the original upload, and one of the extensions (along with a note of what time in the song to listen to in order to hear Ms Eilish's cameo on your song 😛 )

[signal gazelle]

Hi, Even if I click on the link to confirm that I am a human, the same link appears over and over again and I cannot access my account from my PC. Is there a way to resolve this?

[hollow hare]

Normally I see the issue with that is if you had an extension or setting to block third party cookies (specifically for that verification system, I assume Cloudflare). Try using incognito mode / disable that setting/extensions or a browser with no extensions to confirm if this is the case.

If you are on VPN, this would trigger that verification check

[charred merlin]

PAIMON! ❤️

[hollow hare]

HARBER! Don't stay up late, go to sleep 🛌

[charred merlin]

no too excited now 🙂

Pool party!

https://tenor.com/view/cannonball-diving-swimming-water-pool-bombs-away-gif-14177231

[signal gazelle]

Thanks, I'll check it out 🙂