If this update goes through, rematch is a dead game. (regarding next patch)

[cunning parrot]

When I see people that like these updates, I can't help but feel we were not playing the same game lmao.

I wonder how many complaints would've gone away if Silvers played with Silvers, and Elites played with Elites.

[mighty vessel]

[cunning parrot]

Because it feels like a lot of people wanted to remove what they deemed "exploits" (even things that strong players could easily defend) by any means necessary.

Even if that completely crippled basic movement, and team play along with it.

As the still playing tournament players are vouching, the Meta somehow got even worse and more boring.

I've seen it happen all too often. Too many developers making competitive games, throwing out the skill ceiling, and ending up pleasing next to no one in the end.

People just want to feel good where they're at, most often at the end of the day.

[mighty vessel]

I'm completely against these "techniques" because they're literally bugs... they shouldn't be in the game. But removing them and not replacing them is diabolical.
Like it or not, these ''techs'' have created several creative play opportunities, they should have taken notes from this ''techs'' and made unique mechanics within the game, along with this patch

[cunning parrot]

Exactly.

Fighting games were built on that idea.

[mighty vessel]

they should have kept these bugs until they had something already built to come in a patch that would remove the bugs along with it

that way no one would complain

im pretty sure

[cunning parrot]

Taking emergent gameplay techniques, and turning them into actual mechanics and cleaning them up and balancing them.

As it stands now, I feel as though I was sold on a different game than the one I'm currently playing.

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, that would be hella cool.

[cunning parrot]

Because if the game wasn't fast paced and arcadey, I would never have purchased it.

I'm personally not in it for Sim footy.

[mighty vessel]

And they can maintain these ''techs'' in hard ways to do, no one would see it as a problem. Since the "bugs" themselves are already difficult to execute in a match

[cunning parrot]

I came here because "Street" style games aren't made really anymore. And this had fit that build.

[mighty vessel]

It would give much more depth to the game

[cunning parrot]

But now it doesn't.

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, I got u

The style they envisioned for this game is doing extremely short and quick passes

Alongside with quick dribbles

Removing the individual skill completely

This is not football..

[cunning parrot]

Exactly.

I saw one user post "Well Messi is one in a million, you shouldn't be Messi"

Who plays a sports game to feel like a bench warmer?

Honestly?

[mighty vessel]

This is ridiculous.. Anyone who uses this as an argument has a coconut instead of a brain

[cunning parrot]

I agree.

[mighty vessel]

We are not Messi but we have every right to want to play like one and learn 💀

[cunning parrot]

Correct. And the game already punished you hella hard if you tried to be Messi and got ripped.

[mighty vessel]

Exactly

[cunning parrot]

you know how many hundreds of goals I scored off just ripping egoists?

So I don't get the complaint

[mighty vessel]

and with these punishments, whether you like it or not, you will build your own personality on a football field, the way you play will always be unique

in a game or irl

doesn't matter

[cunning parrot]

Yep

And I'll say this

[mighty vessel]

That's why I hate people using that as a argument

Doesn't makes sense

[cunning parrot]

Even though I LOVED individual skill. I almost always used it to make an opportunity for the team.

Passing was ALWAYS the best play.

They didn't need to force it

They've actually made team play a lot harder

[mighty vessel]

For sure, but for good passes, 80% of the time it will require you to do good dribbling and take a player out of the play

[cunning parrot]

Because movement is so janky

[mighty vessel]

So you can build a GOOD highlight

[cunning parrot]

Correct

You need to make a move to open the passing lane.

When people don't grasp that, I usually think they just have never played football or hockey.

That's a fundamental skill of those sports

Make yourself or your teammate open.

[mighty vessel]

Rematch devs think we're playing chess, ong bro

[cunning parrot]

I know people will disagree because people hate EA here.

BUT

Very few people saw Rematch and thought Sim football.

Most of my friends saw it as an arcade game, and that was the appeal. And I'm talking lots of them who don't even fuck with sports. A lot of fighting game players especially.

I don't get this shift in focus at all.

The general public is always going to see EA FC as the sim football game.

No matter what Sloclap does.

If they would have embraced the arcade aspects and pushed the importance of teamplay more, they would have been better off imo.

[left rampart]

its not even close to being a good football sim, it just feels like its trying to be both and ends up being neither

[left rampart]

and since u cant, ur forced to do this by bringing keeper up and forcing 5v4 resulting in the boring meta u see in tournament play

[sudden tiger]

How do you replace something like the Ippy? It's quite literally

1. push ball in one direction
2. change direction

That "tech" exists in the game without the Ippy. Here's how to do it:

1. push ball in one direction
2. change direction

The difference? You have to actually touch the ball.

So how to replace something like that?

[sudden tiger]

"Individual skill" has not been removed, go nuts. You just don't have as many exploits to showcase that "individual skill".

[vague herald]

Well, individual skill with the moveset without said exploits is a very, very low ceiling, and not very skill expressive to begin with as they are easy to perform, doesn't allow for combos (The only combo from a normal dribble move is cancelling it into pushball), and are generally not very useful to begin with because of how strong stand tackle is, on top of innately high stamina costs

So sure, not removed, but severely handicapped without said exploits

Hydrogen bomb (stand tackle) vs coughing baby (standard dribble moveset) type beat

[rotund thorn]

I mean, just read the dev update fgs:

"Football is also a game of skill and dribbling, and creating that little extra bit of space through a creative dribble is a core component of it. This is why we are looking at adding more depth in the game, and we have plans to build upon our mechanics and widen the variety of their utilization, relying on a foundation of stability that we are first building through bug fixes. As we do so, we will do it in a way that is balanced by our other gameplay mechanics and resource management systems"

i even give you the link again https://www.playrematch.com/post/mini-dev-update-5-september-12th-2025

[rotund thorn]

The other difference is that it actually requires more skill because its slower. So you need more anticipation 🙂

[rotund thorn]

No, in football 80% of the time it will require good vision, spatial awareness and ability to read the play before it happens. Dribbles are the remaining 20%

Ofc irl it might depend though on your position, like wingers usually have to dribble a bit more. But in REMATCH you should rotate

[cunning parrot]

What is with the need for Rematch to resemble real footy?

It's 5 a side, with rotation.

In a VR Dome where backboard and off the wall plays exist.

There are no cards. No offsides.

And the game looks like a Fortnite reskin.

Why does it make sense for this game to lean into football sim, when everything about its aesthetic and its rules betray the very nature of a football sim?

[rotund thorn]

The need is Soclap's vision and initial design of the game they want it to be. They can't make a game who satisfies everyone.

[cunning parrot]

I'd argue that their vision and what they initially released did not line up at all then.

[rotund thorn]

Yes because the broken mechanics / exploits were not known yet. That's why they are fixing it

[cunning parrot]

Because I have a ton of friends that think footy is boring, that played the game because of the arcadey aspects, which have been severely nerfed/removed in some cases.

[rotund thorn]

Just read the dev update they say everything

[rotund thorn]

Maybe but there's another amount of players who actually love it and I'm one of them

[raw owl]

you are describing me but I don't agree with the offense focused gameplay rn

I don't play footy, I cant stand fifa, but I do other sports and enjoy other sport games. Rematch was very special on the pre-release betas

but the gameplay it has evolved into is not good

[rotund thorn]

Well again everything is relative and depends on what you expect for the game. But all the friends I play with say each patch is a step further

[raw owl]

ye I agree

[rotund thorn]

They have to make decisions and chose a design

not everyone will be satisfied, that's life

And it seems Soclap are open to some adjustements (again read the end of dev update) but they have their main vision of the game design they want to follow which I can understand

[cunning parrot]

Okay, but there's an issue with that. The a large amount of the player-base they cultivated as a result of their I guess as you would call it "lack of polish".

This game has garbage servers, and bugs galore. A significant chunk of the player-base looked past that because of the execution of said "exploits" as well as the overall speed of the game.

The numbers post patch 3 show that update facilitated even further player decline.

I can tell you I know at least 6k hours worth of players that have uninstalled this game as a direct result of patch 3.

And also, taking things out, but not immediately having an alternative ready in the wind is so totally unwise.

So they're going to address the complexity of offense eventually? That's not very reassuring.

I can honestly say, I would not have bought this game, if I knew it was this.

I bought it based on several betas of playing. I was sold on a different product.

[raw owl]

Large player-base: just wrong tbh, playerbase is tiny compared to what it should be.
patch 3: this was obviously broken and of course ppl were pissed.
Taking things out without replacement: Thats how it is, the game is a mess and needs drastic attention. You cant expect them to have a fix instantly, you cant expect them to leave obvious game breaking mechanics in the game if you want the game to grow.

[cunning parrot]

We can disagree on whether we share the same vision, and that's fine, but that's just the reality of what sloclap has done by rushing this game.

[rotund thorn]

Soclap are the one who have the numbers, so hopefully they know what they're doing.

they know things we don't

[raw owl]

agreed on that part. Should have had another 6 months minimum

[rotund thorn]

But I get the point of changing game design months after the release, this is point i think

The game released too early

I agree about that

[cunning parrot]

I agree.

But the issue for the first few months was definitely more on the polish side of things.

Bad MM, bad servers, teleporting bugs, magneto glitch, etc.

They had settled into a pretty consistent number of active steam users for several weeks after patch 2.

Those would be the dedicated players. But that number has taken a 43% dip on steam since the latest patch.

[rotund thorn]

some people might feel being scammed

[cunning parrot]

Yes, this shouldn't happen.

[rotund thorn]

That said, the game didn't drastically changed either. At least for me, I didn't really change my playstyle overtime for instance

[cunning parrot]

If I purchase a game, it shouldn't be in "finding our vision" stages

That should have been set in stone loooooong ago.

All it does is create controversy and division.

[rotund thorn]

Its not about finding vision, its about fixing mechanics that did not exist early in the release. But either way, they should have made longer pre release beta to fix these mechanics

Not after the release

[cunning parrot]

Making the game move slower, and making turning slower is 100% not bug fixing.

That's a core gameplay decision.

[rotund thorn]

yeah but they improved that in patch #4

[cunning parrot]

I tested patch 4

It is no where near what patch 2 was.

No where near the speed of play. And defenders still can catch up to you reliably when you've burned them.

[rotund thorn]

Idk somehow I feel patch #4 rather faster

[cunning parrot]

Which also doesn't reflect Sim soccer either.

[rotund thorn]

overall

that said, every game do tweaks after the release. I mean its the same in FPS for example, where they balance weapons etc.. some people get angry about that too

I don't feel normal movements are drastically slower compared to previous versions imo

[cunning parrot]

We just won't agree. Lol

[rotund thorn]

maybe for some moves i don't use

[cunning parrot]

Because it is so incredibly noticeable to me and all my squad mates

We can't even stomach playing anymore.

[rotund thorn]

When you say turning you mean like push ball + change direction ?

if so maybe its about stamina. There a fix:
Fixed an issue where using Push Ball would allow players to move at a higher speed than intended, regardless of stamina.

[cunning parrot]

I mean actually turning. In EE, or cutting your movement by hitting defensive stance.

[rotund thorn]

I see

[cunning parrot]

The act of simple movement itself feels hobbled.

Forget Goldenboost and all that other shit.

I never used that myself. Nor needed it.

Just being able to make a clean cut, or burn a defender after a soft dribble. Or catch up to a leading pass.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EXe_GMA9Vy8

We can't even coordinate plays like this anymore because the players are simply too slow on the pitch.

Which is why we quit.

[rotund thorn]

in patch 4 ?

[cunning parrot]

Yes, in patch 4 as well.

Like the cut back I to the ball around 4 seconds?

In patch 4 or 3 movement

I can't reliably make that turn.

To continue the play.

Good chance the turn would just be unresponsive or go too wide.

All I want

Is patch 2 movement

Take away EVERYTHING else

I don't care.

But patch 2 movement and we're gaming.

[cunning parrot]

Anyway, I have to say, thank you for at least being super chill to talk to, even if we disagree.

I appreciate that a lot.

[rich brook]

Idk why soloclap didn't offer alternatives techs to techs that they want to remove, they talked about wanting to do just that on their discussion of their views on the current mechanics, I think it's a big L on their part to be removing mechanics when they don't provide alternatives

[rotund thorn]

Read @rich brook

They fixed (thus removed) the mechanics that were relying on bugs. And tweaked the others.

[vague herald]

What moves have they fixed

Specifically

And which moves were relying on bugs

[vague herald]

Ippy slide was never a bug, but is treated as such

[vague herald]

Ippy is an emergent gameplay tech based around picking up a loose ball with your leg magnetism

The only reason it works is because of how far your basic leg magnetism is to pick up loose balls

[rotund thorn]

Are you questionning devs knowledge about the source code of the game ? xd

[vague herald]

I am questioning the label of calling it a bug, specifically

I think its pretty clear that ippy comes entirely from intended game mechanics, but combining them in a specific way that makes it look wonky

The only real problem with ippy is the animation of the pickup

[rotund thorn]

That's exactly what I'm saying

If devs say its a bug, it means it is something not intended in the actual source code of the game

so if you're questioning the label, you're questioning the devs by extension

[vague herald]

Sure if you want to view it that way

Im just saying show me any clip of ippy and lets break it down into normal game mechanics

Its incredibly easy

You have extended magnetism on your legs/lower body specifically

Ippy functions by turning your character model in a way where your leg hitbox extends towards the ball

causing the magnetism to pick it up

The "buggy" parts of ippy is the animation of it being wonky and early renditions being untackleable during certain parts because of network conditions

Ippy as a mechanic is entirely from intended game mechanics

[vague herald]

Ippy slide is specifically under "Emergent mechanics" in the dev blog

Something being unintended doesnt make it a bug, as to why I am questioning that label

[rotund thorn]

yes then they say some mechanics are the result of bugs which must be fixed because its not reliable, and some others are the result of unintended interactions between mechanics (which is thus more about their initial game design)

[vague herald]

Ippy pretty clearly falls under #2

As a mechanic

[rotund thorn]

I mean just read the whole blog everything is detail and clear enough to me

[vague herald]

I read the whole devblog man

Already before coming in here

[rotund thorn]

then what's not clear to you ?

they literally say ippy slide is a bug that must be fixed

[vague herald]

Nothing, I just disagree with claiming ippy is a bug when talking about emergent mechanics

There are things ABOUT ippy that are buggy, sure, but not the move itself

[rotund thorn]

yeah because they categorize 2 kinds of emergetnt mechanics

and they also they even though they removed some of them because of bug fixes, they will later see how they can incorporate more depth to the dribble in future updates

last paragraph of the blog

[vague herald]

Again what moves have they removed, specifically

[rotund thorn]

you can't rely on a bug a a feature i mean

it doesn't make sense

[vague herald]

I dont know a single one that people have complained about that has been removed yet

[rotund thorn]

they can'"t tweak it if its a bug

[mighty vessel]

The difference is that there are 22 people on a field, which forces you to be aware of the space on a soccer field. Here at Rematch, we count both, especially the individual skills that stand out

[rich brook]

Have they provided alternative techs?

[vague herald]

They managed to tweak how ippy works already in 2 different patches

Does this make Ippy not a bug?

[rotund thorn]

@rich brook

[mighty vessel]

Ippy is certainly a bug. The concept is not, since it's just a feint

[rotund thorn]

I believe there is not a single bug associated with it. In the patch note they say "Some fixes to the behavior when turning quickly after using a push ball (impacts “ippy slide”). More fixes are coming soon."

They also noted that ippy slides are intensified by network conditions. So I believe it has to do with netcode

[vague herald]

Like stated, ippy as a mechanic is pretty clear to me as a combination of intended mechanics in an unintended way

[rich brook]

My point was that they need to be adding alternative techs if they are going to be removing bug techs that are in the game, to just patch them and then give the community nothing in return when a large part of the community uses them is dumb they talk about wanting to allow players to "express" them selves but haven't shown any steps towards it

[rotund thorn]

They need time to design and implement them. THey will do that later, and they canno't wait for them to be released before fixing bugs

[vague herald]

This is not true, as you can do it in freeplay and was able to do it in the offline version of rematch betas

[rich brook]

Ippy slide is just due to latency and the game thinking you were in range

[vague herald]

Netcode amplifies parts of the mechanic that makes it feel unfair

[rotund thorn]

I believe also that some bug fixes can impact mechanics that rely on them as a sideeffect

[vague herald]

Again if this was the case you wouldnt be able to do it in freeplay on an offline build

[rich brook]

Yea and in the mean time people will just stay mad and people possibly will leave if they just keep taking and not giving anything

[rotund thorn]

Its not they "want'" to remove ippy slide, rather they "need" to fix some bugs / netcode improvement which consequently will affect those mechanics

[vague herald]

Good yes please fix netcode and desync

But i guarantee you this will not remove ippy

[vague herald]

Reading comprehension is hard or something

Do you know what intensified means

[rotund thorn]

Yes so it proves it is an unreliable mechanic

[rich brook]

You seen the ippy slide people are doing now? Basically no point

[rotund thorn]

BUG + NETWORK CONDITION (NETCODE)

is it hard to read ?

[vague herald]

From what Ive seen ippy is buffed but yeah

[mighty vessel]

If it's a combination of mechanics that resulted in something unexpected then in the end it's a bug... mainly for the animations

[rich brook]

Ippys buffed? How

[vague herald]

Every mechanic is unreliable under bad network conditions my brother

You cant even tackle

Like its such a nonargument

[rotund thorn]

But they are controlled and tweakable

[vague herald]

Bugs are from flaws in code, not from unintended combinations of mechanics

This is called emergent mechanics

[rich brook]

That's not true at all

[vague herald]

The animation resolves faster and lets you chain into other things quicker

[rotund thorn]

"This is why we are looking at adding more depth in the game, and we have plans to build upon our mechanics and widen the variety of their utilization, relying on a foundation of stability that we are first building through bug fixes"

[vague herald]

You can literally look up the definitions idk

[mighty vessel]

And there are flaws in the code on an Ippy Slide. That drag was not supposed to be possible

[rotund thorn]

can't believe you saying you read the blog really

[mighty vessel]

It's a possible concept but it shouldn't be executed that way.

[vague herald]

Like twice yeah

[mighty vessel]

Blade Shot that fits into the best category of Emergent Mechanics

[rotund thorn]

There are 2 kinds of bugs: technical and functional

[vague herald]

That drag happens in A LOT more cases than just ippy

[mighty vessel]

since you don't break anything

[vague herald]

Have you seen a cold cut?

[mighty vessel]

We're talking about Ippy Slide, and yes, I know it happens on several other occasions.

and yes all of them is caused by a bug

[vague herald]

Have you seen how far your character can pick up a loose ball doing literally nothing else?

Telling me the magnetism of such things is unintended is disingenuous

[rotund thorn]

Then read again because all the questions you asked are answered in it. I literally just quoted it everytime

[vague herald]

Yes and your quotes were bad every time 😭

[rotund thorn]

lol?

There's no point keeping this talk lol im off anyway I got better things to do

read it 30 times maybe

idk

[rich brook]

Your saying because people are combining mechanics together and it's creating an unintended combination and so it's not a bug? Of course it can be considered a bug lmao

[vague herald]

Example 1: You reasoned that because it says in the dev blog that ippy is intensified by network issues, then it must be BECAUSE of network issues, when I then said "No thats not the case, only some things of it are affected by network issues", you then quoted the exact line and acted like it was still the case that it is caused by network issues

I feel no need to explain the other cases

[vague herald]

Maybe im too harsh on definitions idk, its not a bug in the classical sense

[rich brook]

Its literally the definition of a bug, people are combining mechanics that creates an unintended outcome and the flaw in the code is how the different inputs are interacting with eachother

[vague herald]

Ah, keyword, flaw in code

[rich brook]

Can be a flaw in the code or a flaw in the system etc

So if we're calling it a network issue it's still a bug

[vague herald]

Again reiterating back here, if this was the case then ALL of the supposedly intended functionality of the extended magnetism of your legs is a flaw

And that is an oxymoron

[vague herald]

Sure, but it is not a network issue that causes ippy

[rich brook]

No that's not what that means, the flaw is by how much it's magnetising, the ippy slide is down to the code thinking your closer to the ball when your not

[rich brook]

Then what is it

[vague herald]

But you are

Thats the whole point of your character model turning around, and with it your legs and hitbox get closer to the ball, in which you magnetise it

Seems pretty 1-2 no?

I get that the animation for it looks bad

And should be smoothed

But purely core functionality is pretty standard

[rich brook]

How would you make an animation for that? I don't even see how that's physically possible

[vague herald]

The network issues intensifies how bad it looks and feels as a defender because of desync and delay making the already fast animation play out faster so its even harder to keep track of, essentially

Originally ippy also had "i-frames" if you tackled it at the wrong time

[rich brook]

Have you ever ran up to a ball 180'd and been able to push a ball Infront of you

[vague herald]

Because of said network issues

[vague herald]

I dunno I don't really care for physical possibilities

People are jumping 3 meters into the air to bicycle kick and land on their feet

[rich brook]

If it's not physically possible how can they smooth out an animation

[rotund thorn]

@vague herald I mean my first messages was literally snapshoting everything they said about ippy slide (both bug + network condition) then you started questioning the fact its a bug.

[vague herald]

This is a good point

[rotund thorn]

Then i specified too that they say it is intensified by network condition

so what you're saying is really confusing

[vague herald]

like idk what to tell u

Miscommunication?

What did you mean by "It has to do with netcode"

[rotund thorn]

Yes i pointed that because when you're offline the ippy slide is not intensified

[vague herald]

The fixes?

Ippy itself?

[rotund thorn]

because you don't have network conditions

[rotund thorn]

Probably

[vague herald]

I understood it as "Ippy is caused by netcode"

[rotund thorn]

ok mb then

[vague herald]

And thats wrong

Probably more my bad

Im coming in here swinging 1v3 here

[rotund thorn]

And I understood that you were not agree that it is intensified by network condition xd

textual chat issues

fuck Discord

[vague herald]

Well I did specify that certain aspects of ippy such as animation and earlier iterations "i-frames" are caused/intensified by network conditions

NOT the mechanic itself

[rotund thorn]

yeah probably, they don't really detail what is actually intensified

[vague herald]

And like yeah we have all seen laggy people dribbling

[rotund thorn]

But the main point still is that its rooted from a bug

[vague herald]

Any mechanic is intensified by network conditions

Its such a strange thing to say

[rotund thorn]

probably but then it being an uncontrolled gameplay mechanic for the devs make it worse

[vague herald]

I mean its controlled enough that they have been able to tweak it twice

[rotund thorn]

So they fix first, then they'll tweak / add more moves hopefully

[vague herald]

At this point its an actual game mechanic

[rotund thorn]

I don't remember how they tweak it sorry. Maybe it was through netcode improvement

like making the bug "less worse"

until they actually fix it

[vague herald]

Literally in your own quotes you specify how they have "fixed" some things for how the magnetism hitbox works when turning aroudn quickly

Which is directly the cause of ippy

[rotund thorn]

yeah

[vague herald]

So they have tweaked ippy, directly

But yeah more moves good

Please give

[rotund thorn]

nah the way I understand is they fixed it because it was not working as intended, which consequently impact ippy slides because it relies on it

their first intention was not to fix the ippy slide with this one

[vague herald]

Well again to "fix" ippy requires a complete rework of how current intended mechanics work

I.E. magnetism on legs

[willow umbra]

If you gotta glitch to get past a player, your skill is not as high as you thought...

[rotund thorn]

For example they say they want to keep the other moves like blade shot, but make them more balanced. So they don't really want to remove everything

[rotund thorn]

Probably. They said there will be more fixes later

[vague herald]

Bladeshot was already bad 🥀

[restive light]

bump

[bronze harness]

Can’t they just factory reset it back the way it was to hippy slide golden boost blade shots all made the game what it was and made the game more enjoyable maybe just concentrate on the LAGGY 💩 servers stop waiting for epic games to make a bid for it and just put the full 76 hours employees on it before it’s too little to late and ends up. Like absolver DEAD community

[left rampart]

hippy slide

[vague herald]

hippie slide

[left briar]

guys the new patch is pretty good

re adds golden boost and adds some new cool tech

with the dribble buffs from last patch, the game is in a decent spot

[left rampart]

fix def stance momentum i beg

[solid fiber]

i got golden boosted and scored on day before yesterday btw

[mighty vessel]

hippie slide

[cunning parrot]

So here's my issue.

They call these things bugs, but then admit that they need to offer alternatives.

That's an admission on their part that individual 1 on 1 skill lacks depth, and that players sought emergent gameplay to remedy said issues.

That they say the fixes for 1 on 1 play will come in the "mid to long term" is very deflating.

And as @vague herald has been saying, unforeseen interactions do not have to be seen as bugs.

Combos in fighting games were originally bugs.

Imagine how dead that genre would be if Capcom patched combos out of Street Fighter because they never intended combos to be a thing.

Not all bugs are death sentences. If you polish up the glitchiness and make them mechanics, they can add a lot of depth.

That is what the fighting game sphere did.

[fierce blaze]

Yeah and not all bugs are good new mechanics

[cunning parrot]

Both can be true.

I'm not arguing that one bit.

[sudden tiger]

They do not have to be seen as bugs. Altering the trajectory of the ball without touching it absolutely has to be seen as a bug. The devs agree.
We've been over this. Do all the quick turns you want, but not without touching the ball and putting yourself in a tackleable position.

[cunning parrot]

We are literally saying the same thing.

I am saying you can take things, polish them, and balance them accordingly.

Which includes EXACTLY what you just said.

[jaunty plover]

wrong...having a skill gap makes the game more rewarding and fun to play/watch. By nerfing all the techs, everybody plays the same boring way now. Removing creativity is the worst thing you can do unless it's game breaking of course but none of the techs were taking over rematch in a bad way. They need to polish the visual animations for the techs instead of removing or nerfing them completely. And those who disagree are probably casuals or it's a skill issue..respectfully.

that's literally the issue in high skill games..it's a passing simulator because nothing else really works and it's a shame.

it's not about nerfing defenders or buff the strikers.. 1v1s are skill on skill battle..it's about reading and reacting to the other player. by removing creativity they're buffing defenders in a way but w how sluggish everything feels..everyone is nerfed since patch 3

impossible to defend is a craaaaazy statement😂☠️they're all very very defendable and gives the game variety in play. Seems more like a skill issue on your end..respectfully

so how can you say it's impossible to defend☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[left rampart]

bro is tagging messages from a month ago

[alpine sleet]

He's 100% right though as crazy as they were all of the old tricks were defendable

[heady salmon]

yeah u right finally, its to difficult to make something good, that the first game like that

one of the most ambicious, the other rematch game like are so badf

[jaunty plover]

😂☠️

[pearl hedge]

Exactly, is more a strategy and passing game.

[vale anchor]

Well those skills should be a team work to bring this up . So just prepare your self to flip coins matches with random team mates.

[jaunty plover]

just squad up w friends...? I rarely solo queue lol

[sudden tiger]

EVERYONE does at least one Ippy EVERY time they get the ball, and EVERYONE is spamming bladeshots. "Creativity".

[mint lynx]

What low lvl players does not equals to creativity tho. its ippy slide now but it was rainbow flick before the ippy. kids will play with their toys till they get bored

also passing alone is not creative either

its creative and most importantly fun when both individual skill and teamwork is combined

[sudden tiger]

Yeah, that's the game. But this isn't some dumbass anime either, and dribbling, like in real life, is situational. Meaning, there's a time and a place for it. Mostly it's passing though. And there's plenty of ways to pass, you can get pretty creative with it.

It requires more skill to get past your opponents without glitches, not less.

Btw, EVERYONE includes EVERYONE, you trying to insinuate that my problem with glitch abuse has something to do with skill level (I've been in the highest division since the game launched) just doesn't work.

[cunning parrot]

Played a few games.

Credit where it's due.

Movement feels much better than even the patch 4 beta.

That's all I wanted. Thanks Sloclap.

[lost thistle]

messed up shooting tho this time ahaha

[jaunty plover]

you can fake ippy..fake blade shot blade pass blade backboard...many options.. what are you suggesting? removing it and only passing the ball around? lol

[jaunty plover]

it's a video game..it's not a futbol sim..make the game more fun and arcady not a fifa sim with only passing play lol..make people run on walls and shit for all I care.. dare to be different by keeping the game fun. If you have issues defending those so called glitches..I call them techs lol then it's likely a skill issue..respectfully

[sudden tiger]

Like there aren't other things to do than Ippy and passing?

[sudden tiger]

Always with the same old tired shit :D No, the problem isn't defending, the problem is MOVING THE BALL WITHOUT TOUCHING IT. Goddamn, this isn't hard.

"It's so easy to defend, skill issue"
" WE NEED IT FOR SKILL EXPRESSION"

It can't be useful and useless at the same time.

[mighty vessel]

The truly reason is

People want to dribble the entire enemy team

with buggy techs

The movement in the game is enough to take a maximum of 2 players out of the play, then you analyze whether to pass or score a goal

It's fine how it is rn

They just need to add new dribbles and new mechanics

to create varieties

[mint lynx]

If they are stupid yeah

In comp full stamina is barely enough to dribble pass a good defender and then no chance for pulling away. You use at least 2 dribble moves into a normal push to lure a defenders tackle and if they tackle, with all the move stamina costs as I have said you cant create distance

Stamina is too punishing for keeping the ball and defending is extremely easy with no punishment to the wrong doings

Results in boring missile meta

[restive light]

buff dribbleling?

defenders and keepers have a circle/b input but attackers just have X/A they should add circle and/b inputs

[mint lynx]

2 options. nerf standing tackle. Make it so a missed tackle takes away 15% percent of the stamina

[restive light]

not buff

[mint lynx]

Or Buff dribble stamina regen

[restive light]

but almost rework some aspects

[prime elm]

@mint lynx I’d rather buff the person with the ball than nerf the defender

[mint lynx]

Standing tackle needs some sort of punishment that we can agree on it. Its pretty cheap and no risk high reward move compared to dribbling

[prime elm]

a positive is you can't really spam it....if you miss it takes a second or two to allow you to tackle again

[left rampart]

with dash cancel u definitely can spam it

the recovery is egregious

[mighty vessel]

I mean

Would be good getting more stamina

On that one I agree

[mighty vessel]

Nah, just getting more stamina probably could solve this

[mint lynx]

Pushes should cost lesser

thats 100%

[prime elm]

I don’t even know what that is 😆

[left rampart]

i dont understand how it hasnt been increased yet

[left rampart]

just dash after any animation

[mighty vessel]

That's true

[cunning parrot]

Right now, there's just a few issues I notice.

1. Turning sometimes feels bugged out still.

It mostly feels better, but there's instances where is is unresponsive.

2. EE doesn't seem very consistent directionally. Sometimes it is straight line only. Sometimes I can move freely with it. The inconsistency is annoying.

3. The Missile meta seems harder to defend. Header lob took a big nerf it seems like in those situations.

4. Every goalie I know is unhappy. They need their movement tweaked.

5. These servers are so ass. Constant lag stutters. They need to do better there.

But again, a massive step up from patch 3, and I'm having fun again.

[golden raptor]

Inertia is so buns

[fierce blaze]

Bro thinks just adding the word fake to the same tech means creativity 💀

Don’t forget fake sprint fake walking

[strange vigil]

[jaunty plover]

if you think reducing the skill gap is a W then you're part of the problem🤷‍♂️

[fierce blaze]

Define skill gap

[strange vigil]

Nah, I think devs not even showing progress and understanding of what should make the core gameplay of the game itself is the issue

[jaunty plover]

true

[uncut horizon]

This update is ass

[jaunty plover]

truly is bro

[strange vigil]

Scratch that

[uncut horizon]

I can never win prio with even a lob pass

I wish there was a way to play certain patches online

[strange vigil]

It's like I'm playing Street Fighter 2 Super and then downgraded a worse version of Street Fighter 2 Super each time

[uncut horizon]

That way the ppl against techs can play this shitty update and the rest go back to older patches

[strange vigil]

I strongly feel that everyone will agree when I say this game should rightfully have an early access tag

It might be even a good case study for Valve to decide when to forcibly place early access tags on games

Given the amount of chat logs here to scrape

[jaunty plover]

they pushed this patch and now the prompts are all broken😂🤡you can't make this shit up they have no idea what they're doing..patch 3-4 was meant to help out against missile meta and its still strong😂☠️

[prime elm]

It’s humorous to me that yall are hating on the game but if it had an early access tag you’d give it the benefit of the doubt 😏

[strange vigil]

They fundamentally don't understand why it's strong to begin with.

It's just that allowing such a strong action to occur without much other interaction is the core of the issue

[strange vigil]

I would have bought it and not even want to talk about the game much

I'll probably be more happy about them teasing new features

Hell, they didn't have a lot of new features at the moment. Just polish

[uncut horizon]

Ya now u can’t even get prio with a lob pass 😭

[strange vigil]

Polish that seems subjective to everyone here

[prime elm]

Yeah…they’ve said in their updates they are focusing on making a “stable” version before they start to implement new features

[uncut horizon]

The basic skills are useless and are so ez to defend

[strange vigil]

I'm just convinced with anecdotal evidence that they are saying what they are saying just to avoid legally buttplowed for releasing this

Same case with CP2077 but hell, CP2077 had at least something done for some of their core features and their story

[uncut horizon]

Not to mention this shitty rank system

They make me play placement matches against elites and I get ranked gold and I’m still playing against elites

[prime elm]

There have been enough patches and hotfixes to show they are listening to this discord and implementing changes to help better the game

[peak swift]

Doubt, im sure they'll update the game how they want

[strange vigil]

That's not for me to decide but for the court of law, we can say that they are trying but I don't think it seems to be working out

[prime elm]

Not sure how that’s any different from what I said

[mint lynx]

so its community's fault that the game is boring and worse than pre release first beta

[prime elm]

Never said that

[jaunty plover]

hell no...every post they do they get clowned😭😭

[strange vigil]

I mean, the devs have a final say

Not us

[peak swift]

You said they listen to the discord although

1. Ranked still isnt ranked
2. Easy rocket shots still in
3. Removing any skill ceiling the game had

[prime elm]

I’m saying that the game is a WIP as they try to find that sweet spot

[jaunty plover]

they cater to the casuals and now the game is dookie🤷‍♂️

[prime elm]

It’s their game, we’re just playing on their pitch

[strange vigil]

If they have built more layers upon what seems to be fun and could use more back and forth, we wouldn't be just saying the same things over and over again lmao

I'll take like a homing jump block so that I get bumped out of a volley anyday

[mint lynx]

then why release ?

[prime elm]

Do you even know what other games this company put out?

[strange vigil]

Or maybe reduced hit confirm when close to an opponent

Not this chopshop of a solution where they just adjust hit and hurtboxes and call it a day

[prime elm]

I mean I dunno about you, but I wished to have access to the game so I could play at my leisure…not in this hyper focused timed betas

[strange vigil]

Like actual football football

And the more I say this, the more I ironically want to play FIFA again

[obsidian isle]

defense is way too over tuned and they release a patch nerfing dribbling even more

[prime elm]

Except everybody bitched about this game feeling too much like real soccer

[strange vigil]

[obsidian isle]

this doesn’t nerf the meta in any way

it increases our reliance on it

As our other options are nerfed

[strange vigil]

To me, it wasn't really real football LOL. But it could use it's own flair and it's own rules

[prime elm]

Yeah that’s what I liked about it…it felt like arcade soccer

But I wouldn’t hate it if they tried to implement some realism like momentum and such…just don’t over complicate the controls

[strange vigil]

I felt that they had something to move to that direction and just decided that their game shouldn't be like that. And that's a part of games development anyway, a creative gamble

[prime elm]

Well weren’t people bitching about dribbling in the last patch?

[obsidian isle]

What were they saying exactly

[strange vigil]

Oh yea, I find myself comparing this game to Tape to Tape

[prime elm]

That you’re super slow and when you tried to dribble you’d barely kick the ball out in front of you

[strange vigil]

They are bitching about it every patch

[obsidian isle]

Great still better then this patch

We need dribbling

You catch up to the guy with the ball if you get beat most of the time

There’s 0 reward for beating a defender

[strange vigil]

Yea, and that gave birth to some really consistent dribble combos

[prime elm]

When I hear dribbling, I think of the “push” command…and with that in mind, I don’t find a defender can catch up with you if you are constantly pushing the ball in front of you

[obsidian isle]

They do

Because dribbling takes away too much stamina

You guys constantly seem to fall back on this idea that dribbling and passing can’t coexist when they have a symbiotic relationship and one can drastically benefit the other

[prime elm]

So it’s about the stamina consumption and not the dribbling itself then?

[mint lynx]

not about me or community's wishes. objectively thinking and reviewing the game as the product it is.
Gaming being fun but buggy pre release and after 4 patches game being Buggy and BORING is not okay. Potential is there but solely potential means nothing without proper management

[strange vigil]

There's more than that tbh as the game has some different interactions when a player object grabs the ball

[obsidian isle]

A lot of things with the dribbling is wrong

For one the normal moves are basically useless

[strange vigil]

Which can lead to interesting results

[obsidian isle]

As the moves are useless we had to come up with glitchy dribbles

[prime elm]

I use the dribbling all the time to get around defenders

[strange vigil]

But mostly what defined what can be used really is based on whether

1. Move command can be used in range
2. Speed of the said animation

[prime elm]

Sounds y’all want to dribble around the entire team and run the pitch twice over before you make a move on the goalie

[strange vigil]

I didn't even know I was doing the Golden Boost until someone told me it isn't intended

Nah, it was good as it is

[obsidian isle]

If you get beaten by someone trying to dribble when you’re jockeying you’re just rolling

Trolling

way too easy to just wait and tackle them

[strange vigil]

Because you are gambling on stamina

And timing

[obsidian isle]

Nobody was saying this in the slightest

[strange vigil]

If your opponent was familiar with the timing of the sequence of possibilities, you combo is more or less screwed

[obsidian isle]

Passing and dribbling can coexist and allow for far more creative gameplay

The problem is that one right now doesn’t exist

[strange vigil]

Because balancing using defense stance hop and normal movement was the most consistent tool to hold the opponent's position before you get a hit confirm on tackle

[prime elm]

I dunno what kind of game you’re playing, but dribbling does. You typically can only juke about two defenders before you need to cough up the ball

[strange vigil]

While the ball is basically the sling used by EE push ball to advance, it is still counterable if you knew the possible sequence of events

Because the sequence of possible dribbles isn't as wide as like FIFA

[obsidian isle]

You think the dribbling system is fine right now?

[strange vigil]

So if you learnt it by playing 20 casuals that knew some combos

You'll learn how to counter it immediately

[prime elm]

I don’t think it’s “non existent”

[obsidian isle]

You’re cooking people with just the standard dribble moves?

[strange vigil]

Because you knew the space where it needs to go and you can slow down or dhut down the attack from there

[strange vigil]

You can do so though

[mint lynx]

Nah. Just a dribble combo to barely dribble pass a good defender takes 30-40% stamina. meanwhile defense is always at 100% holding dribble stance only. dashing and standing tackling is their only stam consumption and if they fail they are still left with enough stamina and speed to catch up. EE is offense's only space tool and it makes core withball movement meaningless and boring

[prime elm]

It feels like they are trying to make sure this doesn’t happen. They want it to be a team game

[strange vigil]

If they don't know how to manage stams and speed along with feinting the tackle

[obsidian isle]

Upvote

Give tackling a stamina cost and watch how the game changes

[strange vigil]

If they wanted a team game, why not make a level based multiplayer game?

[prime elm]

There are reactions for that my dude

[strange vigil]

With football as it's theme

[prime elm]

It does have a stamina cost??

[strange vigil]

Yea, tackling does have a stam cost though

And you can't use it to dash as much as before too

[obsidian isle]

A bigger cost

Dribbling is actually just a joke right now if you take the glitchy dribbles out and even then it’s still hard

As much as people want to rag on patch 3 the super fast push ball gave a glimpse of what it’s like to have defenders get punished for being beaten as you could keep the ball

[prime elm]

I get this is me not being aware of my surroundings, but I find other defenders tend to come up from behind me after I’ve juked somebody to take the ball away from me…at current it feels like defenders can recover quickly after they fail a tackle

[strange vigil]

It also showed us a side of gameplay that REMATCH can have before taking it away again

[mint lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420275809305755820/1420566391429271574/2025-09-25_03-22-21.mp4?ex=68d685cc&is=68d5344c&hm=12544c80a5f7ac68da4b38e4e92dbe49b3c6fd9864dd209be188b18f935f9387&

Pre release first beta stam consumption and withball movement speed

pushball has no endlag

and stam consumption is not as high unless you spam sprinting ones

and recovery is quick

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420275809305755820/1420568572182265906/2025-09-25_03-31-01.mp4?ex=68d687d4&is=68d53654&hm=1ec5d946a9e2086d1cd894a31da1706d116475adb2fcc2903ecd00af8ac7708a&

Offball movement is also responsive and faster. no inertia BS and Sliding tackle is actually useful and faster

Which makes overall gameplay faster and more fun

Also there were no bladeshot

pushcuts were only limited to 90 degrees at max

no 180 degrees pushcut OR 180 degrees goldenboost

And when I say gameplay wise rematch is getting boring and worse I get downvoted even tho in freeplay of beta fast pace of the game is visible despite it being unpolished and glitchy

For a game that has Ronaldinho as a skin, it is quite weird that the gameplay is pretty slow and restrictive

[prime elm]

lol bro just wanted to post clips 😂

[copper loom]

yeah

[copper loom]

btw I was playing these with a soundboard not edited in

[rare cove]

The dribbling they’ve given us is so bad it’s laughable

You cannot get by people who don’t just slide tackle the second they see you

Even if they spam tackle it’s still impossible to get by them

[uncut horizon]

My vexi dash don’t work when I’m in game only in training

[strange vigil]

The beefed the speed back up while keeping the hop values the same I think so the interaction is not as consistent as before @uncut horizon

[rare cove]

youre playing shitters

and using basic touches

if your opponents had a higher than room temp iq youd lose the ball after the 3rd touch

or even earlier

[copper loom]

the point is the music lil bro

and basic touches is all you need and extra effort

[rare cove]

if youre playing shitters, yes

[pallid ferry]

it doesnt work above 30 ping

sadly

[copper loom]

hater

[jaunty plover]

bro what are you on😭☠️were sliding everywhere and prompts barely work now.. missile meta is stronger than ever..some prompts don't even show up and I'm right next to the ball..

[rare cove]

thewyre likely not talking about missile defense

moreso the tackle and defensive stance hitboxes are insanely broken

[unborn pulsar]

yo I feel like I found a possible path for the games future those you are hella experianced and those of who dislike the game please let me if this idea can work out If it was implemented #1421607099988971682

[trail jetty]

its ironic how in sloclaps attempt to strip dribbling from the game and make ground play less viable at the apparent popular demand of the community, they’ve made missile meta (one of the first things people complained about in this game) pretty much the only way to play the game at a high level

nearly everything on offense ends with a bicycle at top box because defense can smother anything on the ground. there’s just so few ways to create plays on the ground anymore its wild

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, I kinda agree with you

This is a problem

[astral moth]

Lob, Short Lob, Shooting > Literally any other move in the game

[mighty vessel]

Which it's kinda crazy tbh

[trail jetty]

it should not be fixed by nerfing defense btw

[astral moth]

got 50 different moves in this game yet only 3 are viable

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, I agree

Theres not much to do with defender

[trail jetty]

skill expression and "emergent mechanics" paired with actual capable people and team chemistry used to pull off some crazy shit man

like ooh lets get rid of dribbling because randoms in ranked are ball hogs

but like we need dribbling to hold onto the ball long enough and create enough space to make cool passes that arent fox missiles from 40 yards out

[mighty vessel]

THIS one is a valid point

[astral moth]

we genuinely went from defense is way too strong but kinda fun and offense feeling jank to legit defense being so unfun with the changes to priority and making offense even worse to play all around. I dont even know how thats possible but its an accomplishment in and of itself

[mighty vessel]

I rarely see people here arguing about things like this. Most people here want the dribbles back, and even worse, just so they can dribble past 5 guys and not pass the damn ball

[trail jetty]

the only change to priority was goalkeeper dive getting buffed. Ranged reduction and reducing shot speed on aerial shots only helps defense tbh

[mighty vessel]

The right thing is for us to at least dribble past 1-2 people and pass the ball, to create really cool goal opportunities

[trail jetty]

defenders just need to know when they're beat to something and need to drop goalside to block with A DIFFERENT BUTTON

[mighty vessel]

Goalkeeper rn it's kinda buns

[astral moth]

nah theyve done something. Its legit impossible to to header missle sometimes now compared to before

[mighty vessel]

jumping animation on the ball goes wrong 80% of the time

[astral moth]

you have to rely on dive and defense stance so heavy now its not funny

[trail jetty]

as someone who's been considered a top 3 NA gk in pro play for 3 months straight current gk is ASSSSSSSS

i have

[mighty vessel]

The main reason for that it's the jumping changes

[trail jetty]

a dissertation i could write

about how shit current patch is

[astral moth]

Yeah my gk players are complaning as well but I cant feel it since I dont play it at all

but they are doing terrible animations sometimes now

[trail jetty]

gk dive is shorter

dynamic dive barely works

directional dive inputs dont follow your actual input often enough it makes me want to put a controller through my monitor

[astral moth]

ive been begging for a dead zone option for controllers

its ridiculous it has not been put in yet

[trail jetty]

3rd party programs are your best bet

ds4 for deadzone manipulation

[astral moth]

yeah but like controlled deadzone for certain moves

like diving, passing

not just all around deadzone

[trail jetty]

so more sensity on passing than deadzone?

[astral moth]

yeah I guess u could say that

its esy to fix for me but its annoying sometimes when your character like slows down in a animation for SUPER LONG

and when that happens you need to be aiming the entire time

if u think you're gonna get a shorter animation and adjust your stick its gonna pass to that new location now

[trail jetty]

deadass cant even beat someone anymore. You get the beat and they can instantly catch up and tackle you still there's no true beats anymore

[trail jetty]

yeaah that happens and a sensitivity thing would help but for now just practice and get better with it the best you can

[astral moth]

yewah im used to it

it just happens sometimes and you cant know when it does unless you're deadass locked on your character

which more than likely you're looking at your minimap or tm8 for the pass

[mint lynx]

thats literally the only reason they have given us

[trail jetty]

deadass

[mint lynx]

Imagine even thinking of nerfing things just cuz people do not pass

this is like getting a yellow card because referee deemed that you are ball hogging

trying to solve a community and player mindset issue via balancing is INSANE

[rare cove]

you on a crazy short timer once u get by someone

either get rid of the ball instantly or ee to buy more time

that doesnt even work sometimes

https://streamable.com/p5p8im

like in this case

he didnt even need ee to take the ball

[jaunty plover]

idk what happened with prompts but it's absolutely broken. You can EE and the ball is right next to you and you still get no prompt. sometimes when you get a prompt and input something it doesn't work. game is constantly going 1 step forward 3 steps back.. it's embarrassing

[solid osprey]

slide tackle has been ridiculous since patch 3, free cheap tackles

[solid osprey]

its the most inconsistent its ever been. like how do i not get an input here??

[slim knoll]

do you expect your guy to teleport?

you were far away

you were NOT close to the ball

[solid osprey]

idk man i feel like i took a good angle on it and got close enough for an input to come up

[mint lynx]

we all know its nothing like that

since patch 2 dribbling was never OP and you were never able to dribble pass everyone in the field

it was balanced

with skill level

now a noob defender is a threat to someone good

this is enforcement of a vision rather than balancing

it was balanced

core mechanics wise

at least it was a bit more fast

now things are sluggish

and too stam heavy

IRL you can at least outrun defender after beating your man

in rematch without EE they can reach by a sliding tackle or normal sprint and catch up due to how stam free defending is

and how just one dribble combo to bait defender into a tackle takes around 30% stam

[rare cove]

should get an input here

except its still easier to attack than defend, if you just missile

defense is significantly stronger than everything else

them overtuning the tackle and defensive stance hitboxes while simultaniously lowering the range at which you get a diamond does nothing but weaken other playstyles and strengthen the missile meta

its near impossible to intercept a missile if the opponent knows what theyre doing

opponent could be right behind you and get an input but you dont

dribbling is near useless

so the only option for offense is to missile

[mighty vessel]

gang...

Who's gonna tell him

This is too far

[mighty vessel]

Do u expect him to teleport?

[mint lynx]

slow is not good. the game was advertised as fast paced action football game. Not Football sim. the way it is rematch is nothing like how it was advertised and as shown. And no, buggy Missiles are working and cannot be stopped unless you win the 50/50 and guess the correct shot line

current movement enforces more missile tbh

we either need more stamina for dribbler

or some sort of punishment for standing tackle

[rare cove]

wouldnt need to. he shouldve gotten an input way earlier

missile meta is not dead youre talking out of your ass

[mint lynx]

I mean glazing the current state is something else fr. First beta didnt have any of the issues. No blade no 180 degree golden boost no 180 degree push cut. Animations were clunky but movement was fast af

There are 2 ways to fix movement

[rare cove]

i think you replied to the wrong person

[mint lynx]

nah I just wanted to agree on ur statement

[mint lynx]

1. Fix your animations so while the game stays fast, animations also looks smooth

2. dont change animations. Make the movement play according to the animation which might slow down the tempo

sloclap picked 2nd option

thats why movement is so ass

I cant believe how we have gotten to this point from the vision that have created the first beta

I know they are listening to the redditors which glazes their work instead of top1% players but I cant prove it

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[unreal cosmos]

You are so far ssry

[jaunty plover]

it's not. There's cases where you're right next to the ball and don't get a prompt... we all know that before this patch, if the same play happens in that video, he would've had a prompt.. let's not lie to ourselves now

[left rampart]

not getting a prompt there is a good thing, i'm for the game requiring more precision, its the cases where the ball literally goes through your foot and you didn't pick it up nor got a prompt where i'm like brother in christ sloclap

[mighty vessel]

My friend, that ball is really far from his foot. Yes, there are cases where the prompt simply doesn't work, you right .. but in this case, the ball was really fast and a very considered distance

💀

[jaunty plover]

I disagree 🤷‍♂️ there's cases where you EE and should technically have a larger radius for the prompts and you still don't get them. It's obviously broken. And if this is the vision of the game and meant to be this way...then it's definitely less fun than what we had before.. like everything else in this game🤷‍♂️

[jaunty plover]

the reason why I say it's broken is because it's very inconsistent. you can be right next to the ball while doing EE and you still don't get prompts. It's not fun and doesn't reward good positioning at all. every time you contest the ball it's almost like casino slots lol horrible experience

[left rampart]

EE shouldnt give you a larger radius, it should get you closer to the ball faster, it should still be just as close as without EE for you to pick it up or get a prompt

they purposefully reduced this radius before to reduce teleporting to balls

[glass mauve]

I liked when the game was faster paced, people don't bother to pass regardless how much stamina they have or how often they get beat. might as well go back to when it was fun

[trail jetty]

exactly like ballhogs and people who play hero ball will always exist you cant just force that behavior out of the game

[rare cove]

exactly

people dont understand that its the consistency part, nothing to do with realism

his range should be larger than that given he was sprinting

[jaunty plover]

by doing so they broke the prompts entirely btw. the prompt system has never been this broken in the game and this inconsistent. It's absolutely frustrating and makes you want to stop playing the game even more. The devs are continuously making their own game worse

[left rampart]

i mean yeah

the intention is good the execution isnt

doesnt mean it cant still get fixed

[jaunty plover]

I respect you still having faith🤝I have 0 expectations for this game now and they still manage to disappoint during patches.

[left rampart]

short term i only care about def stance sliding getting reverted & GK animations getting fixed

[hallow steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

git gud so you dont rely on glitchs and gimmicks

[strange vigil]

Eh, the change in ball speed probably requires GK to be partially overhauled

Def stance's problem is that it is kind of still intertwined with "default" movement in some way and there are movement animation results they need to address that I don't know they are keeping a close eye of

There's a rare move that no one really uses and only happens when you are moving from a standstill and then sprinting bacm about 180* back immediately. Resulting in a delayed 180* turn. It's like a 180 delayed sole roll that you can only do under specific circumstances

I remember the move happening more without sprint on beta and it being a chainable move but now it only happens when you sprint

[jaunty plover]

https://youtu.be/1NaSOwqn4PM?si=bC_LTU8Fm4gRdmIe

anyone saying this game isn't broken😂☠️prompts/priority was never this broken.. as I said with each patch, 1 step forward 5 steps back☠️😭

[jaunty plover]

watch the video lol game is legit broken

[strange vigil]

I had this issue too but I think this is very frame dependent. I locked my FPS to 60 and I don't get the VFX flickering* as often

The problem lies in that if you move with in a different direction when you already input something in before with your left stick in a different direction, you can cancel sometimes your actions essentially because you are not in position or the move is now null and invalid because you moved.

It's basically why you are able to combo certain moves for dribbles. Also, as you play as GK, you need to avoid moving too much before a basic or a short dive save and just to not accidentally cancel the save

[mint lynx]

Which they can just fix it if they make it so those saving animations doesnt allow you to move the moment they start playing

[jaunty plover]

point is, it wasn't like this before and not sure why it's like this now☠️The fact that the devs haven't talked about the prompts since the patch is frustrating..

[strange vigil]

I'm pretty sure it was like this before. Also,it's kind of expected that UE5 having more animations not synchronising properly probably due to the current UE5 engine being optimised for DLSS to begin with. But I think there are certaining scripting/programming strategies around this issue. Which is why I speculate the reason why devs from Psyonix hasn't announced anything about moving onto UE5

[jaunty plover]

Not to be a dick bro but I've grinded this game so much when it first came out. I have easily over 300h in and was a top 500 defender in all platforms and I can tell you with certainty that the prompts/priority wasn't like this. Before, when I placed myself in front of the striker when he tried to receive the ball I would win in 9/10 times unless the ball was perfectly placed to go behind me then I would lose the prio which kinda made sense at the time but now I lose position battles that really do not make sense which is why it's so frustrating. You're not rewarded for being in a good defensive position it's all luck base now. Maybe I'm going to get it maybe not. It used to be clearer when I would win the ball back base solely on my positioning.

We gotta stop giving them the benefit of the doubt..They had a great game before patch 3 with the only problems being missile and crossplay.. now with all the updates since, there's so many more self inflicted problems that made the game less enjoyable. They are killing their own game imo

[strange vigil]

Me defending them isn't really giving them a benefit of a doubt. More like giving up my expectations of the game running consistently the same.

[strange vigil]

My problem is that there's literally speedhacks and shoot hacks in the game. So what stops people from messing your actions too? There's one hacking player hasn't even gotten banned from REMATCH in Asia yet. I cannot say that they are trying, more on life support.

[vale anchor]

There are barely enough players in the game online and you guys bringing ranked demotion for real ?? What is the point of this update ?

[left rampart]

to try to make ranked actually have competitive integrity and not be free rank handouts ?

[alpine sleet]

This guy was right patch 3 killed the game

[slim knoll]

the game was already bad before that

they killed dribbling and individualism

i'd rather have the old game and play with egoists than whatever we have now ngl

you're basically forced into a specific playstyle

[terse ore]

did they nerf gk again ...

[trail jetty]

coolest thing was having options to play the way you wanted to play and you can find similar levels of success if you had enough skill

same defenses

it was rock paper scissors on whether you had the squad with the skills, the practice, and the know how to counter different offensive strats and vice versa

some things were a little strong yeah but thats just the natural cycle of player experimentation and improvement. Offense finds something that works, defense works to find a counter. Offense now has to find a new thing that works and defense needs to find a new way to counter that. In order for the devs to know what really needed adjustments they needed to first have a real, actually working matchmaking system so players of similar skill could face each other

its always up to the developers discretion on what needs to be tweaked and how they do it but the current way its being done is all kinds of fucked up and backwards