If this update goes through, rematch is a dead game. (regarding next patch)

[vague herald]

Name 1

[brazen prawn]

didnt you say they must first add possibilites before getting rid of them ?

them broken moves/mechanics?

[vague herald]

Name one broken dribble

This is me checking if its worth having this conversation with you or not

[brazen prawn]

I dont need your time, since u backtrack what u said man

whats the point if you do a 180 turn that fast

[vague herald]

Im not backtracking anything

[brazen prawn]

sure

[vague herald]

I stand by it

[brazen prawn]

ok wait

[vague herald]

Im asking you to name a single broken dribble

To see what you think is broken, exactly

[brazen prawn]

Ok u not HZ hyk, u didnt said it explicitly

But anyways, what u meant by that.

'' thats what weve been saying'' then, u what do u mean by that?

[vague herald]

We have been saying there is no point in removing the "broken" things when the standard issue moves are as bad as they are

You are effectively removing the entire toolset

[brazen prawn]

exactly what i am saying, u dont agree with the first part of my statement, while saying u agree..

wasting my time, u think there's no broken dribbles moves

[vague herald]

I disagree with the 2nd part

Where you insinuate there are broken dribbles

And I ask you to name one you think is broken

Is this a hard thing to comprehend

[vague herald]

No, there is

But whether you think ippy is broken or not lets me know if I should be having this conversation

[brazen prawn]

that has been patched, or still here ?

ofc ippy is broken, and vexis dash too

ippy very ez to stop tho

but thats another question

[vague herald]

Ok so you mean broken in sense of unintended

Not strong

[brazen prawn]

No, of being broken, like the ball teleports on ur feet

like vexis and ippy

[vague herald]

Because then this statement is not true

PLayers will always opt for the stronger option

[brazen prawn]

thats my point exactly

u said its not the correct way to remove them dribbles first

[vague herald]

Yes but youre loosely using the definition of broken

If ippy is easy to stop

It is by definition

not strong

[brazen prawn]

ez cuz we spent time on it

vexis dash aint that ez tho

and others moves too..

but what would be the correct move anyways??

still let those broken stuff in the game ? while u try to implement new ones?

when u try to build things on shaky fondations, it collapses

[vague herald]

Very simply keep the moves in the game, make the animation for it clearer to players, or remove them and give more/better options in the intended dribble mechanics

[brazen prawn]

shaky fondations, the best way to destroy everything that u do.

And in the meantime, it'll maybe let some people learn how to pass the freaking ball 🤡 its mostly a win situation imo

[vague herald]

I would argue that foundation would be a lot more solid because its what enables team play

If you cant dribble a defender to gain space for a pass

You can do nothing

[brazen prawn]

not sure to understand how those can enables team play

[vague herald]

ITs very simple

[brazen prawn]

push cut can help you dribble a lot of players

[vague herald]

Push cut is a broken mechanic by your earlier definition

So is fast cut

and cold cut

and vexis

Should they all be removed

[brazen prawn]

vexis and ippy are clear ones, others can be debatable, its that those two, for me its not a subject of a debate

the ball literally teleports

[vague herald]

Fast cut is by far and above the most egregious one

But alright

You don't want to debate it

So let's not

[brazen prawn]

Dont want to debate what ?

i prefer to talk about stuff that is clearly not supposed to be here like ippy or vexis, since the others one are debatable

and its not even what i was interrested, it was how them removing broken moves is the not best/right solutions to build the game upon..

i know some players gonna be lost and will all of sudden dont understand why they have to pass the ball, but they will have to.

its mostly a win to me

but yes, its also a loss to limit the strikers so much now

[vague herald]

Very simply because the moves are not broken by definition of strength, but it's impossible to reason about because depending on your argument you change the meaning of "broken"

[mint lynx]

not everything HAS TO be there for a game to have techs dude. Back then COMBOS weren't intented for fighting games

Flip reset wasnt intented for RL

look how they became fundementals now

you can cut the edges and turn them into mechs just fine

you all complainin too much

[vague herald]

You're so close

[mint lynx]

god forbid offense having any powerful tool

[vague herald]

It's almost connecting

[brazen prawn]

never said i dont agree with this, but removing the core issue, is the way

maybe u'll connecting the two dots about that logical approach they did

[vague herald]

You know what my bad for engaging

You have a good night

[brazen prawn]

in a football game, pass>dribbles, its supposed to be this

Right now, dribbles>passes.

[vague herald]

[brazen prawn]

they try to deconstruct that

[mint lynx]

if you are noob then yeah

in low-mid lvl thats the case

but lets just say dribbles WORKS in mid level game. Not better than Passes>

there is a reason why volleys are getting nerfed

[brazen prawn]

i dont even count that tho, its not even supposed to work

[brazen prawn]

i dont count that stupid missile meta in my mind tho

[mint lynx]

A good defender is not letting a dribbler pass him even with all the GB bs

[brazen prawn]

high lvl players shouldnt use that, but we all know how it is, the easy route always.

[mint lynx]

and removing dribble completely

is never a solution

op techs can be argued

[brazen prawn]

they didnt removed dribble completly

[mint lynx]

but removing a mechanic completely is never an arguement

its lazy way of balancing

[brazen prawn]

u'll probably have a new op dribble move under 24 hours

we just didnt play it enough

[brazen prawn]

its not even supposed to be here

hence why they removed it

[mint lynx]

you dont get what i mean

The way u Remove GB should be nerfing the ball push when you are switching direction with EE

Not the removal of ability to PUSH and Rainbow Flick in EE

thats a core change

and a dumb one

lazy solution

just like their solution to GK fixing was moving goal trigger to nets

instead of fixing the netcode

and they did kill the even normal dribble as well. sprint pushes werent working as intented and they were normal pushes. luckily it seems like AT LEAST thats fixed

[left briar]

stop arguing with that robot

guy is just here to yap and has no basis or understanding of how the game plays at any competent level.

[brazen prawn]

its you who thinks some of these moves are ''comp'' some of them are not, and are broken hence why they removed it.

[brazen prawn]

for the first part, we literally said the exact same thing, no need to back ur boi, cuz he is ur boi.

[mint lynx]

oh I didnt know devs take on the game was absolute. They can never be wrong

[brazen prawn]

they dont want to nerf it, but removing it tho

[brazen prawn]

i really dont know where i've said that

[mint lynx]

if they properly code then they will be able to remove it while keeping the core

as I've said

lazy solutions are never solutions

but will hurt the game

[brazen prawn]

they dont see it has a lazy solution when they dont want them to part of the game tho, you want them to nerf a mech that does not belong ( according to them ) in their game

i dont fully agree, cuz some moves werent broken to me, but most of it were

as a whole ( nerfing broken mechs and missile meta) its a good update

finally their first good update.

[left rampart]

i haven't said a word idk how i'm backing anything here, also what does this even mean, so because u get one part right it means everything else should just be ignored ?

[brazen prawn]

Slowing down the game tho.. not a big fan, but i understand why they did that

[terse lion]

Just to play devil's advocate, removing these mechanics will always slow the game down no matter how you look at it. So if you don't want the game to be slowed down, but also don't want the mechanics, it kind of creates a clash of vision based on your words

[mint lynx]

I understand it too. But Understanding doesnt make it better. it looks like they are just rushing and overcomplicating things while trying to satisfy the casuals rather than making the game great and comp friendly

I'm just happy with the delay since there is now time for them to take feedbacks into consideration

[left rampart]

the delay was because of a new issue they discovered, i wouldnt hope for too much extra to come with the patch

[brazen prawn]

that ''part'' was the only one i mentionned until he mentionned a debatable topic that i idnt went to deep dive in, u agree some of the mechanics are a issue in the game, and they are right to remove it ( if they replace it) thats all i'm saying. Now if fast cut or GB or i dunno what else is broken or not, i dont want to go in that never ending debate, so yeah backing up just for the sake of backing a collegue, if not to want to try to instigate more, doesnt make any sense to me deep down.

[left rampart]

huh my image was following campagne why r u making up ur own narratives

i just got out of a tournament n clicked in i havent spoken to u

[brazen prawn]

yeah so basically thats exactly what i just said at the end, but anyways.

[left rampart]

???

[brazen prawn]

" if not to want to try to instigate more, doesnt make any sense to me deep down.''

cya

[brazen prawn]

I don't see it as a slow down really. But let say it is, you can totally slow down ur track to bounce better, that's probably what they want. Also I do want mechanics(never said I dont?) otherwise there's no skill gap, I just don't want certain broken mechanics. That's why I said that, this beta test was mostly à Win. While every other update were terrible. So no, no clash of vision.

[terse lion]

"the mechanics"...pretty obvious what I meant in the context of this conversation

you're being insanely pedantic to everyone for no reason, so no use discussingwith you

[frozen vigil]

Btw whoever added the text on this pic misspelled hard

There, better

[golden raptor]

Skill issue honestly if you expect it why do you keep letting it happen

[brazen prawn]

So you off subject, u debating if those mechanics needs to be banned or not.. when I'm not doing that.. u arguing for the sake of arguing without reading the context, bravo.

[brazen prawn]

I'm defending a point and only @mint lynx got it right, and was mature enough to know how to properly talk,the others, just like u, are here to argue just for the sake of it, internet kids in a nutshell..

[astral moth]

Ippy was slowed down to be a lot more reactable but even before that it was extremely easy to punish but just waiting for the opponent to do it rather than run at them and spam tackle. GB and its variants can go but this patch basically gutted EE leading to the game becoming EXTREMELY slowed down since everything can now be reacted to by even the lowest skilled players. Offense is getting some of their creative options patched leading to even slower gameplay since itll just become a game of zero solo play and 90% interceptions from defense and a shit ton of cherry picking for you guessed it, missle meta once again but in a even more desperate form

also no way were arguing that vexis is a broken mech. Its genuinely one of the more interesting options since the core dribble system is so shit. On top of that its not hard to counter and is mostly flashy at the end of the day. Id say its at its best as a mixup and when you're low on stamina

and no imo the solution is not to just wipe out every single creative thing about the game just to wait another month or more just to barley get some power back to the offense. All that will do will kill top level play because of how bland itll become and anyone who liked the EE systems previous use cases will also not be looking to play the game. The only people left would be the low ladder players that just in all honesty want to play a true Football sim game which is not what rematch was designed to be and at this point I may be extremely biased in saying this but its just because they dont want to learn how rematch is actually supposed to be played and would rather play 3rd person fifa

a lot of the players that claim most of the stuff (Excluding GB stuff even though its not strong it is very buggy) are "broken" im convinced are the type of players that dont realize that you can defend literally anything an offensive player is doing dribbling by just sitting there and staring at them in guard mode until they slip up

Basically all im saying is that yes it is fine to nerf EE and patch these. It is not fine to release that into a patch and give no power to other parts of the players kit in the same patch since itll just make the game feel like shit to play since you will always feel significantly weaker until new options/mechs are introduced and no one will want to play like that for a month on end. Im waiting on a blog post that will maybe say "Next patch after this will include some new dribbling options!" but im worried since I dont know how far along in that dev process of improving dribbling is because theres no communication on that front. Does everyone agree though that they literally could have just handled this way better by just first nerfing EE slightly instead of gutting it and while its still a core mech rn maybe a few patches down the line we finally implement some new dribbling moves into the players kit and then we can nerf EE and other stuff in the same patch? Like doesnt this seem a lot better for everyone especially if matchmaking were to be better balanced so only the sweats will play against sweats until then?

All that it seems is gonna happen this patch is the skill ceiling will drop significantly and be way less creative and every player thats actually interested in playing competitively will have nothing to learn because nothing new will be added and all of the new mechanics coming in the future become a faint hope of "itll come eventually!" even though we have no idea when they are going to start putting power back into the players kit especially seeing how many delays we have been seeing on patches recently

[sleek night]

If they patch out all the mechanics they need to put something official in place of them to keep options good tbh

[pulsar nimbus]

I feel like there is a diffrence between something that feels like an exploitive mechanic, and something that feels almost right, as if it should of been a feature in the first place. Mixing up most things with EE should be one of those things. It's readable enough on most skill levels and allows for alot of individual creativity. They should expand on that, i'm all for that. I understand why they're saying it will "nerf things like the bladeshot" through lowering the speed EE generates on the ball, as anywhere close to the ball it causes issues due to OTHER problems the game has. It shouldn't be possible to magically appear in a position because you EE'd and pressed a button, and the game recognized your speed, giving you a much bigger calculation range and straight up teleports you into a position you weren't even close to, just so you can do the animation. I'm almost sure that is what they're actually trying to nerf. Stuff like Ippy Slide is fine. It is readable enough and is something people came up with to counter ACTUAL defenders as the basic dribbling isnt good enough. It feels like they're trying to fix their own flawed approach by nerfing the main problem that they themselves made a main feature in the entire game.

tl;dr: Their implementation for when and if people connect to the ball especially with EE is fucked and the way they're trying to fix it won't actually help the game.

[mighty vessel]

Agreed

[frozen vigil]

Bro, you nailed it

[pearl breach]

I like that the EE moves are taking a hit people were just spamming out bladeshots everytime they got close the box. I think by making it take longer to perform will be a good thing for the game

[frozen vigil]

All of the problems I have with EE are the speed it gives to your animations, not the amount of things it can interact with. Going to cover a player that is about to do a header and he teleports 5m forward. Going for a ball and a guy that is behind you teleports in front of you to do a pushball. Golden boost is literally a player teleporting 2 or 3 times around your screen.

I don't care if you have all the EE interactions in the world. But dealing with teleporting opponents is frustrating. And the only players that can enjoy dribbling by abusing undefendable mechanics are the ones that love to cheese games as much as possible.

Say whatever you want about this patch, but at least between the smoother animations and the EE tps being removed, it actually felt like you knew where the ball and the other players were at all times.

From there, you can add the mechanics again with proper animations/ interactions instead.

[vague herald]

Bladeshot is already THE slowest shot in the game to set up

[pearl breach]

That was just my example but alot of people spam the EE moves the only moved not constantly spam is golden boost

[vague herald]

Thats because EE is the only enabler mechanic in the game

I do agree with you that people shouldnt be teleporting as much as they do

But we do need to realize a lot of the additional consequences

Even if we nerf people teleporting and volley crosses into box

I have a presumption that the moment short passing in box becomes usable, this will be complained about immensely

Because you as a defender will be mostly helpless against it without being able to TP or reading 2-3 passes ahead

[pearl breach]

It's not that hard to predict where a pass will go people just need to develop awareness that is a skill issue

And the changes they are making will slow down the game and force people to make more passes to open up a defense instead of booting the ball down the field hoping for priority

[vague herald]

Well, no

Yes they're slowing down the game

But I think slowing down the game has the reverse effect of what you expect

For one, if you have no way of opening up space from your defender to make a pass, either via dribbling or EE things, you can't make the pass to begin with

2. If the game is slowed down too much, defenders can simply post up 4 people in their box

And if they do, how do you score?

I would argue you rely even more on volley crossing into box in this situation

Because defense has no reason to leave box

Slowing down the game inherently discourages passing plays

[red aurora]

Yeah we need to increase the speed of the game, especially when it comes for future viewers of the scene.

We want them to be hyped up not potentially bored.

[pearl breach]

U should still be able to use EE to get space that's what it was originally designed for. It's not hard to pass the ball in this game. And I doubt all 4 defender is will sit in the ball otherwise game never ends someone's gonna press whoever has the ball and leave a man open. It's also up to the attacker to make a run to make defenders move to make them. There are also ways to make long distance shots

[vague herald]

Long distance shots do NOT work

There is no reliable way of scoring outside of box

[mighty vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

[mighty vessel]

exaaaaactly

[mighty vessel]

People feel better when they pull out a ''M E C H A N I C'' when you literally broke animations, because it is something different and unique that many people can't do or don't want to cheese completely the game

This is the arcade definition for most people I've seen arguing here

i dont see any problem with EE and the various different interactions you can do, I just find it weird that you literally CUT instantly with the ball, there isn't even 0.1 seconds of animation between these interactions

the patch was incredible, does it need tweaks? Yes, like any other. But it was a crucial and important step that they decided to take

it needs to start like this

[mint lynx]

now that they delayed it they just have to combine future mech changes with the current patch and make a big major update which has no MAJOR FLAWS for the first time

Dumbing down the mechs will never work that we all agree on. Sloclap just has to spend more time and resources on the patch to have TRUE FIXES instead of complete removals.

I want to be positive and believe in sloclap for once

[mighty vessel]

They need to implement new animations

New ways to do the same mechanic but visually better

[mint lynx]

Indeed. No TP Bs

while converthing them to actual mechanics

[mighty vessel]

Exactly

[frozen vigil]

Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a mind chess game between the attacker and the defender? Without exploits or broken mechs

[mighty vessel]

As I said, I don't see any problem with the game being full of different and creative mechanics, as long as they work NORMALLY 😭

[mighty vessel]

People forget that football is played a lot with strategy too, and not just by breaking animations and giving TPs

Game doesn't need to be like real football, but it is still football

[frozen vigil]

Wouldn't want to compare with real football, because this is an arcade game, but in that regard it does seem similar

Real football is tricking your oponent and having the skill to pull it off

I'm just talking about dribbling here

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, I agree

The game is football based

Whether you like it or not, there must be more aspects of real football instead of 80% of the game being based on exploits

[pearl breach]

Long distance shots do work like once or twice a game u have to make it look its gonna hit the wall but add downspin to bring the ball down and aim for far side of where the keeper is

[vague herald]

No good keeper gets faked by this unless youre close enough that they have to prejump

And shots from outside of box only work because of threat of missile, that goalie then tries to cover

Besides the shot youre talking about wouldnt even be allowed to happen with 4 Defenders in box

[pearl breach]

I'm elite and it works once or twice a game as long as u dont do it everytime u have to mix up what type of shots u do and I shot it from outside the box and a lil further away

[vague herald]

Elite is meaningless

You can queue into gold players being elite

Like 20% or so of the server is elite

From the last post they did

[pearl breach]

U can still get full elite lobbys and i look up the teams i play after the fact

[vague herald]

Its really not all that

Yes, but every elite player you run into could have gotten there playing against gold players

Is my whole point

Rank is meaningless

[pearl breach]

All im saying is the long distance shots is still an option. And u have other options as well when u r attacking. Someone is always gonna be cherry picking so at most u only deal with 3 defenders

And a keeper

[vague herald]

3 Defenders already cover the entire box

And you definitely dont always have a cherrypicker

Maybe in matchmaking

[pearl breach]

Most teams have cherry picker and they come back to play defense rarely

[vague herald]

Idk about most

Either way i fundamentally heavily disagree with out of box longshots ever being viable

Especially if missile isnt a factor

[pearl breach]

I have a sample size of 1000+ games 70 percent of the time 1 person was cherry picking

[vague herald]

Yes, in matchmaking

Like i agreed with you even that sure maybe in matchmaking

But you said teams so i assumed comp teams

My bad

[mighty vessel]

yo

Crossplay dropped gng

Let's play that shi

🔥

[pearl breach]

U straight didnt do comp becuase of bugs

[mighty vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[vague herald]

Huh?

[slim heath]

https://tenor.com/view/neymar-crying-football-crying-neymar-sad-footballer-crying-neymar-gif-7248685170151706294

they didnt listen

no more wave dash

no more pushcut

no more ee interactions

no more anything

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-gif-21080029

[vague herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-gif-14938540374909884387

[frozen vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1172101740225642506.gif?size=48&name=NOTED&quality=lossless

[slim heath]

ngl i might quit

[vague herald]

If they didnt change much on the EE end and dribble end i fear the game may be cooked

[sleek night]

Updating my game rn to try things but from the beta I remember having to try 6x as hard to beat a player half as good as me is that still facts now

compared to pre patch

[vague herald]

Likely

[sleek night]

ew

[supple tiger]

I might be him

[mint lynx]

The game feels like SLOW MO

what is this slowness ????

ngl I'm done

its time to give it a break

But surely I didnt grind 500 hours expecting game to be this slow and boring

crosshair settings gets reseted after every match

💀

thats cherry on top

[sleek night]

Sof ar from this 3v3 it doesn'tfeel as slow as the beta thank god but there's this really annoying sticking point with EE that if you try to steer it left or right immediately after boosting you get locked out of adjusting your direction entirely

[quick belfry]

it already is a dead game did you see the steam current number of players bro ?

you usually play against the same guy in a lot of matches

[sleek night]

It's the weekday at noon everyone's at school

[slim heath]

it was the opportunity to revive it but they decided to bury it

[chrome ice]

My japanese friend quit due to this patch and told me to complain to the devs since his english isnt good 🥀❤️‍🩹 thats how bad this patch is it got bro trying to break the langiage barrier

[mint lynx]

Pushcut still works

infinite speed glitch still works

flicker dash is buffed

even without infinite speed glitch you can infinite speed via flicker dash

game is basically dead and we will see people only flicking their mouse and turning with their CTRL-SPACE-SPACE macro

nothing else

[slim heath]

its broken

[slim heath]

whats that

[slim heath]

i think the opposite for me

cuz u cant wave dash on it

[mighty vessel]

Gang

It's NOT that deep

🥀

[slim heath]

?

[mighty vessel]

It's literally not that deep

[slim heath]

10/10 intervention

its not deep at all

[mighty vessel]

But I mean

Go ahead and quit if you want, if the game doesn't please you rn it's completely understandable

[slim heath]

yeah so what

[mighty vessel]

But for me theres no point for that

[mint lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355589588776652812/1413558209813287093/kaleye_giris.mp4?ex=68bc5e2b&is=68bb0cab&hm=2a68aa51baf9bdb3dd8d497ad97ce8211340b4d295f73e686b924ceee886d6de&

[mighty vessel]

the game it's completely enjoyable

[slim heath]

cool for u bro

[mighty vessel]

and playable

[mint lynx]

inf speed

[slim heath]

if u say so bro

[mint lynx]

regarldess of stam

[slim heath]

damn

didnt know that

[mighty vessel]

This is in the patch?

[mint lynx]

yep

[mighty vessel]

Yeah this is crazy

I thought they patched it already

[mint lynx]

I thought so as well

but they did not

this and pushcut is all you need

worse than GB

there is no counterplay to this

[mighty vessel]

Indeed

[sleek night]

ngl gk had several opportunities to stop that play

Still hilarious that happened though LOL

[astral moth]

@mint lynx

I cant hit it cause im bad

why tf did it send as a file bruh

hold up

does anyone here understand whats causing EE to cancel its chain?

I think it may be the distance from where you start EE but I cant tell

[mint lynx]

lemme do some experiments on that rq

[astral moth]

I think if the balls goes past the distance of a tap right now itll cancel EEs chain but if done before that distance you can chain like before

[mint lynx]

its the angle of direction

[astral moth]

idk cause you can tap like crazy still

[mint lynx]

somethings' wrong with the right side

[astral moth]

the reason I think its distance is because hitting the ball forward with EE by running on it laucnhes it past that tap threshold distance

doing it with GB lets you get the indicator before it goes past that distance allowing it to chain still

[mint lynx]

or maybe its me with skill issue but I cant do golden boost from the right side now but only from the left

[astral moth]

thats my only theory

[mint lynx]

makes sense

lemme observe

[astral moth]

nah you can do it both ways I just did

I suck starting from the left tap but it works

[pearl breach]

Cant play rn cuz im at work how the update

[astral moth]

uh if this is how EE works now im actually kinda down for it

they just need to fix how weighty everything feels

other than that I can live with this since now I can assume EE has its chain ability ONLY when you control the ball

its no longer a 2 chain outside of tap distance which imo fixes the players just running at players with EE and spamming tap and then getting another glitchy tap off to get ahead of them easily

now it just makes you think more which is good

[south nebula]

EE is just terrible right now, forget about changing sides instantly, you cant even move an inch to the side after using it, its weird and uncomfortable

[astral moth]

I mean I think they just wanted to kill the Instant turn direction and make it happn a little slower by actually having to input a sprint in the other direction before doing it

which honestly I can fuck with

[radiant folio]

The movement is a bigger issue tbh

[astral moth]

like EE chop is slower since its not an automatic input now

[south nebula]

Nah, it makes so EE works against you

[astral moth]

Idk there isnt a lot of turning that needs to happen in EE if everthing works still

all thats happened is they have made the way to do certain tech easier to read and stopped 2 chaining for brain dead people running at the offense and allowing a 2 chain from 50 light years away

I cant think of a situation where I straight up need to turn so much in EE with the ball

just use EE tap chaining

[south nebula]

of course you need, you just become a solid rock going only foward. If you need to change directions you need to completely cancel

[astral moth]

yeah but just use this and you can turn anywhere at the start

the start up is the issue its not that you cant change directions fast

you just gotta do a different input for it now

[south nebula]

i dont mind the start up, im talking about while you are already boosting

it feels very uncomfortable

[radiant folio]

Before while EE and running with the ball you could slightly adjust it to stay on your feet

Thats what hes trying to say

Now its nearly impossible to

[south nebula]

yeah, thats it

[astral moth]

ah I see the issue since ball lauches fast off EE now

[radiant folio]

Even in general witbout the ball

It feels like youre stuck on a straight line

[astral moth]

it doesnt just chain hit 50 times from EE while sprinting with it so you can line it

I mean yeah I guess thats annoying and prob should find a middl ground between the before and now

I was more worried about EE chaining being gutted but im actually happy they changed it before the patch dropped

[radiant folio]

It just makes it harder to create space so you can have some room

[south nebula]

they can take away that insta turn, i dont really mind it, but i really hope that they fix the movement while you are already doing EE

[radiant folio]

Meh if they change the player movement i couldnt care less

[astral moth]

agreed but I think if they add dribble mechs in the future it wouldnt be that much of an issue since EE shouldnt be solely burned that way

[radiant folio]

But this feels slow

[astral moth]

dont think they should have nerfed it that hard for now though

shoulda been done after the fact of adding the mech rather than now

Yeah I just feels extremely weighted down sometimes so I hope they at least take a look at that

[radiant folio]

Thats all im asking for literally

I dont care about them nerfind blade shot yes im a bit bitter you cannot fake anymore into a header but eh

[astral moth]

just realized im in practice and you dont get sweeper from crossing field anymore unless im bugged

[south nebula]

you do, you are bugged probably

[astral moth]

wait what

like the pass button header?

or the rainbow flick animation header

[radiant folio]

When you do a fake bladeshot the normal one

[south nebula]

fake blade shot still works fine, theres a delay before EE gets canceled when you interact with the ball

[radiant folio]

You can fake it with a raindow header

And after that before you could header it again to pass

Now you cant because it falls on your feet

[astral moth]

uh you might be able to still

[radiant folio]

Even if you ippy slide raindow header before you could header it now you cant

Try it

[astral moth]

idk how I did it a sec ago but you can make the EE chain into the rainbow header into the pass

idk how this new EE system works but it might be distancee based

[radiant folio]

A header pass or a normal pass ?

[astral moth]

cant tell though

[south nebula]

yeah i just did it early today, but feels a little harder to do

[astral moth]

like blade fake -> Rainbow header animation -> Lob Pass

if thats what you mean

sometimes the EE is cancelling into the rainbow header animation but sometimes it doesnt

[obsidian isle]

Please just allow us to do consistent blade shot passes as a winger 🙏

[radiant folio]

Lob pass but with a header

[obsidian isle]

It’s so shit and inconsistent now

[radiant folio]

Yoo sydress my man

Go to sleep

[astral moth]

yeah it works but idk how you get it consistent

[radiant folio]

Tell me about it

[obsidian isle]

Was literally my main method of crossing the ball not abysive or anything

Sunk multiple hours getting really good at it

And now you can’t even get the shot off

[radiant folio]

I tried but i couldnt do it

[obsidian isle]

I have to flick my camera to the ball

And then to the box quickly

But why the fuck should I have to do that

[radiant folio]

Send a clip

I wanna see

[obsidian isle]

You’re just looking at the ball then at the box

But it makes no sense that I have to do that

#makebladepassgreatagain

#MBPGA

[astral moth]

okay just sat for a bit

will send in a sec @radiant folio

I got 2 dif ones

somehow I did it without EE and I did it with EE

Idk how tf though

[radiant folio]

show mee

[astral moth]

camera, ball distance, where you do the blade shot direction rom

[astral moth]

with and without

it could be because of a lot of different things

[radiant folio]

interesting i guess on certain angles it does not work

yeah just hit it

needs camera placement

this shit's ass

lmao

[high sky]

guys but gb rainbow works yet, in the practice at least

[radiant folio]

Yeah it works even ingame

Meh i guess this patch wasn’t that bad

I just hope they fix the movement

Feels like im 10 shots deep

[high sky]

i have problem with using extra effort as goalkeeper to intercept the ball on the ground, is all weird the movement and inaccurate

[astral moth]

gb works exactly the same funnily

[astral moth]

yup

well I didnt try rainbow boost

[radiant folio]

What is this audio blessing my ears

[astral moth]

I have no clue if thats been snuffed but I would assume not

[high sky]

sorry

ah

blessing

not blasting

the right music to practice

clepto are you writing a testament?

[brazen prawn]

Being able to stop a move or not. doesnt mean its not broken, you say you agree on GB, but GB isnt even the hardest to stop on the list. ( Btw i'm a offensive player, not a defender, and all of this moves i was able to stop them, most of the time.)

Basically my idea is, if its this way that they can build on a clean base ? they can go for it, i dont agree every mechanics were broken, but everything they did, those moves, slowing down the game etc probaly also helped them A LOT to fix that boring missile meta.
So this beta is mostly a win all around ? for me totally.

Also why we already conclude everything is removed, dribble is over.. we played a beta for three hours, im pretty sure a 14 yo kid will find another broken move or moves.

[thorny stirrup]

Right after update elite match:

[brazen prawn]

there you go, as i thought, not even every mechanics are gone 😂

even the bugs are the same, well, that patch probably a W for missile stuff, but even this, we'll see if its not abusable.

[radiant folio]

Did they fix the gk kick bug ?

[brazen prawn]

elnator writting another essay 👀

[astral moth]

yeah there is like 5 tech in my head that should be removed and GB was on that list and I didnt think its most broken by a long shot. Push cut and any camera manipulating bugs are what need to go because its not an "accessible" tech. Removing EE chain was my biggest issue since it basically killed and reduced it into a simple run faster button. Imagine this patch without being able to chain EE, it wouldve been so dog shit for EE enthusiast. Yes though dribble is and has literally always been dead lol, whether it was before or now its dog shit and EE was the only thing that maybe saved you for getting solo play going for passing plays

the beta gutted EE though so it made that way worse but this patch made it so chaining EE is possible for solo play and worse for brain dead players to exploit its best attribute which was its lock on range so its a win in my books

I was fine with shit getting patched, nerfed, becoming more reactable, etc

I just wasnt okay with EE losing what makes the gameplay dynamic

[carmine swift]

yh thats just unfortunate

that has been happening since launch

[brazen prawn]

Oh God, someone will slams you for thinking push cut have to go ( but somehow i feel like this time he will be quiet)

[astral moth]

push cut is the push - push forward and then drag camera tech right?

I hope im using the correct term

[brazen prawn]

Some nerd will find stuff, GB is not even banned, i guess patience for you guys ? thinking all EE stuff went away.. just too soong

[brazen prawn]

not necessatily involving a camere drag, but his best form yes.

[astral moth]

and btw I dont think push cuts broken I just dont think its okay stay because its way strionger for certain players and undoable for others

like keyboard players can do that shit so easy. Controller players without paddles? Learn claw or you're fucked

[brazen prawn]

i dnt have a personal issue with push cut, it is kinda strong but not broken.

[brazen prawn]

the difference between MKB and Controller for DRIBBLING is wild...

the most unbalanced thing in the game

[radiant folio]

Fellow controller enjoyer

[astral moth]

thats just why I think push cuts gotta go

[brazen prawn]

i do push cut with a controller

u just need to pick a high sensitivity

[astral moth]

shouldnt be considered a "tech" when a majority of players can do the shit and use it to its max optential and then ignore the players that cant

[astral moth]

yeah but u cant do it like keyboard

itll never be possible unless you play claw

[brazen prawn]

Nope, and its ''variants''

[astral moth]

yeah which is why I think its "broken"

it just isnt a tech at that point if I am forced to learn a whole new play style or need new gear

it would be okay if there were a good controller layout remapping that allowed you to be able to tap and move your camera at the same time

[brazen prawn]

them removing all broken mechs would at least put controller and keyboard on the same at least put everyone on the same boat and you therefore in a better position to build upon.

thats my Argument since day one with this thread lol

[astral moth]

but I havent found a good one that doesnt require paddles

if there were a layout though?

Then I would be okay with it

then its just the players choice of learning new controls for long term benefits

[astral moth]

well idk because the "broken" tech isnt broken. Its just more options to creatively getting around defenders will being a little bit better than relying solely on the bad foundation that dribbling currently is

[brazen prawn]

Me my number priority is that the Missile meta is gone, that was sooo boring to play, and maybe players will finally learn how to pass the ball, the idea of this patch was very good, but the execution ?

[astral moth]

my point was that if they want to remove it then why not just first whip up the new system and then put that into the game instead of stripping away any creative options and then leave us waiting for multiple patches until we get something to actually work with

I just wouldnt want to play that since I would be bored outta my mind using the base dribble system since its dog shit which would lead to massive frustration and then gutting EE like they did in the beta patch while adding nothing of value in return?

https://tenor.com/view/drake-drakeno-drakenah-nodrake-nopedrake-gif-7213779810480289342

I aint playing that shit for months on end if the game were in that state

this patch seems to have backtracked the EE change and made it more dynamic for the offensive and defensive player

which is great

sometimes restrictions generate more dynamic play and thinking, this EE change was a great step in making the EE chaining more dynamic while also still making it strong in what its supposed to do

still think we need stronger dribble options overall though but only time wil show results on that end

[left rampart]

i can still do p much every mechanic u could do pre patch it just feels like im fighting against the game a lot more than before

like keeping momentum while holding def stance out of a sprint/run feels horrible

sprint pushball from neutral triggers the muddy run which feels horrible

[mint lynx]

and whats worse is aerial volley meta is still strong

so basically nothing changed

crossplay came

and things are worse

what a good day to be a rematch fan

[left rampart]

its moreso u are even more forced to rely on it to score because every other possible way just got even harder

[mint lynx]

except the flicker dash being OP

[left rampart]

aerial volley shot power did not need to be nerfed at all

[mint lynx]

but yeah I agree

the nerf isnt even that noticeable

since meta is still strong

[left rampart]

it is noticeable

[mint lynx]

GK hitboxes are reduced

so

it compensates ig ?

[copper loom]

game plays like the same thing

[mint lynx]

except u fight with the game to be able to move the way u like

[quartz coyote]

I don't understand what the movement changes are trying to accomplish since the tech is still there

[prime elm]

So…rematch died today then

[mint lynx]

it didnt

but it's e-sports potential is wasted

there is no recover from this

[subtle dune]

seems like this post was wrong

ppl in official rematch server shouldnt get a say in this

bc most ppl here have horrible opinions

[mint lynx]

nope this post was right

game is ruined

the only pros is accessibility options and crossplay

the game's movement is dead

missile meta still works

the game plays the same but with heavy tractor like movement

Refifa syndrome from sloclap indeed

[subtle dune]

i think this game is way more fun

[prime elm]

Oh, I misread this post

[mint lynx]

you are not comp player are you ?

if you were you wouldn't say this

[subtle dune]

i am but i played some scrims today and it was fun

short passes are better now

bc man marking is harder when switching direction is so heavy

[mint lynx]

accessibility wise they are better as well. But passing is only better because EE has tractor movement now and everything is stupidly heavy while we have OP flicker dash

no one dribbles normally

everyone does max speed drib glitch

because normal drib is meaningless

[subtle dune]

like the inf stamina thing

[mint lynx]

this is way worse

[subtle dune]

iidk

[mint lynx]

toxicity and playability of patch 3 is worse than patch 2

[subtle dune]

but

short

passes

🤩

and they remove gk prio

so now diving for balls is fun

[frozen cobalt]

They got nerfed in a way
One twos are actually way harder to do

[mint lynx]

missiles are way easier to do now

[subtle dune]

but prio is fixed

[mint lynx]

it isnt ?

[frozen cobalt]

Even tho they won't work

Most of the time

[mint lynx]

nah they do

glitched places still works and takes priority 100%

if the pass is done right

[frozen cobalt]

Even if they do they are nerfed

[subtle dune]

one of the best defenders fluffy says its fixed

defending is easier now

and makes more sense

[frozen cobalt]

The real issue is the movement system

[mint lynx]

surely easier. aerial volley's height has been nerfed

but the real issue is really the movement system

[subtle dune]

why

[mint lynx]

why the clunky movement ?

[subtle dune]

bc more realistic

[frozen cobalt]

Midfielders suffer because of this

[mint lynx]

rematch is supposed to be arcade fast paced sharp game

not Refifa

[subtle dune]

ppl play with midfielders in this game

?

[frozen cobalt]

Ding ding!!

[subtle dune]

stop ragebaiting

[brazen prawn]

The beta was better.. prio is still here, movement is sluggish and bugged..

[frozen cobalt]

I am one lol

[subtle dune]

not fun to talk to ppl like u

[frozen cobalt]

Okay don't

[subtle dune]

ok

[mint lynx]

beta was worse when it comes to push balls

but everything else

yeah

[brazen prawn]

not about this, but the movement, without the ball

[mint lynx]

without the ball movement wasnt sluggish

[brazen prawn]

its horrible

[frozen cobalt]

Dude if they just revert back to the old movement, and only nerf EE pushball

[mint lynx]

only withball movement was

[thorny stirrup]

Driving a tank in rematch

[mint lynx]

somehow they made off-ball movement sluggish as well

[brazen prawn]

i'm talking about right now,

[frozen cobalt]

The tank being your knee caps

[brazen prawn]

yup.. horrible

[mint lynx]

EE while defending is now a one direction TRAIN

[frozen cobalt]

Don't get me started on extra effort with and without the ball

[mint lynx]

no flexibility AT ALL

[brazen prawn]

your player continue to do few steps forward even tho u stopped running..

[mint lynx]

"realism bRo"

[brazen prawn]

and prio is still strong, and keepers gets less prio lol

[frozen cobalt]

It's like I said
They got the players and made them as if they just had knee surgery

[mint lynx]

ReFifa syndrome

[brazen prawn]

i donn think so,i literallystop faster IRL

i think its not intended and they will fix it

[mint lynx]

I have more flexibility IRL

as well

[brazen prawn]

hopefully a hotfix

[mint lynx]

I REALLY WANNA THINK THAT

[subtle dune]

i hope they dont fix it

[pearl breach]

Just hop on honestly it is not that bad input is delayed when in EE and also notice EE has a shorter duration yall made it seem way worse than what it was

[frozen cobalt]

Even then its actually realistic to deviate 30 to 45 degrees angle with the ball
Now it just "ah ma knee"

[mint lynx]

but they have identity crisis thats for sure. First public beta before the release was the best version. Somehow they lost their vision and making things worse and worse each update

[brazen prawn]

they have to, that movement is horrible, and ALSO i want the prio being fixed, in beta a good defender could stop those boring missiles meta

[brazen prawn]

maybe its cuz of crossplay?

also i see a clear cut difference in freeplay compared to online gaming.. it wasnt that ovbious before

But aye now we can blade shot without pushin the ball 🤡

[frozen cobalt]

Try deviating 10 degrees to your right while EE

[mint lynx]

its because they are putting everything into one plate and hoping for it to work. They dont have seperate builds 100%

they are not developing things seperately

[pearl breach]

I think the main problem is player base is split from people who want the game to be realistic and grounded and the people who want the arcady feel with all the techs

[brazen prawn]

?? i hope u wrong, they dont have separate builds ??

thats wild

[frozen cobalt]

And somehow they got the worst of both worlds💀

[brazen prawn]

exactly lol.. crazy

[subtle dune]

realistic

😔

i installed rematch for football not for blue lock

[mint lynx]

what makes me believe that is they could have easily pushed the Patch without crossplay first

but they postponed everything ?

[subtle dune]

by a day bro its fine

[mint lynx]

Which means they are building versions as all-in-one

[subtle dune]

not that big of a deal

[brazen prawn]

i dont know any games thats dont have builds tho tbh

but aye, everything is possible, small studio

[pearl breach]

Yea i notice it that can be improved upon but im all for the shorter duration of EE it will force players to rely on positioning bcuz if they get beat u cant automatically catch back up with EE bcuz of how short it is which is why I think they slow the attacker with the ball down to give defenders a chance to catch up but can still be punish if out of position

[frozen cobalt]

I would trust team cherry to do this game right more than sloclap ever will

[brazen prawn]

me not having the prio when i touched the ball with the head before he shoots is so realistic for them i guess

[subtle dune]

i didnt say its realistic

i said i want it to be

[frozen cobalt]

I don't mind the reduced duration

I HEAVILY mind bricked knee caps

[brazen prawn]

i know, the game is not realistic, i just wanted to point out that if they want their game to be realistic, it would be laughable with all the issues we have

[subtle dune]

its true

u right

[pearl breach]

Like i said it can be improve upon they dont have to kill our momentum that much that kinda change forces more teamwork but we still need people who are good dribbles on the field to draw defenders in

[subtle dune]

for a realistic game its laughable rn

it looks more like an arcade game

[mint lynx]

realistic rematch would NEVER WORK

[brazen prawn]

i think the vision is a mixture

[subtle dune]

why

[subtle dune]

clearly it is

[pearl breach]

I agree

[frozen cobalt]

EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

[brazen prawn]

they want to please sim player and arcade player

very tough task

[subtle dune]

fr

[brazen prawn]

yeah i think the same,

[pearl breach]

Devs need to pick one

[frozen cobalt]

They chose to piss off both

[subtle dune]

but if it were up to it i think most ppl play this for arcade

[mint lynx]

characters are all doing unrealistic moves with unrealistic flexibility. All of a sudden they are now trying to make the game have REALISTIC MOVEMENT ????

if the changes are intented I will drop the game asap

[brazen prawn]

tbh its the right thing to do, a mixture of both.. but.. they cant lol

[mint lynx]

I have wasted 500 hours already

[subtle dune]

holy shit man

[brazen prawn]

it cant be their vision tho, it wouldnt make any sense

[frozen cobalt]

200 here
And I play on console lmao

[subtle dune]

i play comp but i only got 250 hrs

[brazen prawn]

330 hours i dunno how i did that, i dont play online games usually, so probably thats why

[pearl breach]

This game drew in rocket league players= arcadey and fifa players=sim/realistic that's y player base so split

[brazen prawn]

good point

[subtle dune]

im a fan of both but i would like it to be more like fifa

[frozen cobalt]

I came bc of football
Played like it was football, the old movement system(minus the bugs and exploits) was perfect for it

[celest moat]

I hope not modern fifa

[subtle dune]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-26367358

[pearl breach]

Not speaking for all fifa players but I hope in bcuz I was reminded of fifa street

I dont even buy the current fifas

[celest moat]

I dont understand if the patch is good because of the movement system or the changes hit the movement, to be fair ye there's some instances when it feels clunky, more than before. This is good: positioning is key
This is bad: sometimes ur left asking urself what didn't work, changes are significant, maybe we just need to adapt
My bet is they can make it more fluid anyway

[celest moat]

Ye I get what you mean

[pearl breach]

From what I can tell its the movement be restricted overall this patch was in the right direction at least for me they need to also still fix prio tho

[celest moat]

But I haven't felt good about rematch for more than a month, this patch reignited my hopes
I really dont understand the doom posting this time, this is a step forward, even if movement is a little bit less intuitive sometimes

[frozen cobalt]

In short, the movement system got fucked
And the players look like they have rock solid knee caps

[mint lynx]

I have more flexibility IRL than a defender in rematch rn

[celest moat]

It didn't got fucked, it's less responsive sometimes ye, but we'll see

[celest moat]

Nah

[mint lynx]

fr

[celest moat]

Defending is easier honestly

[mint lynx]

I aint that sluggish

[celest moat]

Never had such a good time in months defending

It was just doom and pain

But ye movement is more clunky

[mint lynx]

I can turn while full speed sprinting. a defender uses EE cant in rematch

they are a tractor

[brazen prawn]

just a bit, nothing major, and the off ball movement so bad.. not sure about that statement

[celest moat]

Ye but still better, plus attacking is more balanced

[celest moat]

I assure you lose speed when turning

[brazen prawn]

i dont see it as better, u slow as hell, u might have a bit more prio, but just a bit, the keeper have less the prio too, and ur offball movement is terribly show and sluggish, feels like on ur on iceskate

[celest moat]

You're just used to old speed

[mint lynx]

I dont

[brazen prawn]

while dribbling, no

[mint lynx]

at least not when turning 10 degrees

[celest moat]

In RL if ur going fast you turn less, to turn sharp you need to lose speed

[pearl breach]

I see what the vision is they just need to improve movement and give attackers more options than what they have and fix prio

[mint lynx]

we too had it tho

[brazen prawn]

i cant believe they fixed prio, yet we here asking for them to fix it cuz they broke it 🤦🏻‍♂️

[mint lynx]

What patch 3 does is

Trying to give cars in RL Simulation car movements

similar

[celest moat]

I dont feel that way honestly, i just feel like if i fuck up my positioning i get fucked, it's good

[celest moat]

Ehm

[mint lynx]

this game is a fast paced, arcade game at core. The only realism about it is following the fundementals of the football. But nothing else.

If characters are not going to be responsive it has no meaning

to even play this game

[pearl breach]

We just want the headers to come before a kick cuz sometimes defener would be in front of attackers and they get the shot off by phasing thorugh the defender

[celest moat]

Bro, honestly, it's just physics, doing a 180 degrees full speed turn instantly isn't normal

[pearl breach]

Bcuz they give attackers some prio if the pass is from their teammate

[celest moat]

Anyway they can tune the clunkyness

[celest moat]

Header and prio got better in my experience, sometimes u lose the 50 anyway but shit happens

I felt way more confident in the box defending today

Good patch, movement can be better, but not faster, just more fluid and responsive

[brazen prawn]

it was so much better in beta test

[celest moat]

I didnt play it unfortunately

Honestly i think if we stick to patch 2 the game gonna die for sure

[mint lynx]

nah patch 2 was better

I'd rather play patch 2 than this sluggish fake difficult movement

I'd also prefer first public beta over release and any version of rematch

[brazen prawn]

i didnt play it, i played the two last betas during summer, they were the best version i've played

[celest moat]

I mean man... just look the player count after 20th of august

If you want a playerbase of 500 players go for it

[plush cedar]

@mint lynx did they fix the issue with the ball not counting as a goal after crossing the line. does it still have the delay?

[celest moat]

Patch 2 wasnt it

[brazen prawn]

it reminds me of Undisputed the boxing game.. i played it for three years, the very first beta before early access release was the best.. smh..

[celest moat]

I was starting to actually hate the game

[celest moat]

BRO

Nahhhh

They fucking murdered that game

I have no words for what they've done

[mint lynx]

it still does

[mint lynx]

patch 3 is that 500 playerbase tho

[pearl breach]

Apparently its the second line inside the goal that determines of its a goal i ask around

[celest moat]

There was a time in which every round was basically hosted by a player and the next by the other, basically one round was yours because u were hosting it

[mint lynx]

nah it depends

if its aerial it has to be net

[plush cedar]

bro that is so ass

[mint lynx]

if its m2 and slow

its the 2nd line

[celest moat]

We'll see, honestly i think it will make players come back

[pearl breach]

Just tested it is the second line

[plush cedar]

but pile it feels so clunky

[mint lynx]

almost 95% of the Comp community is complaining about the patch

if Comp players are hating it

there has to be a reason

balance changes will always be hated by some part of the community

[pearl breach]

Go to freeplay walk up to goal and when it light flickers that's when u scored

[mint lynx]

but YOU NEVER TOUCH CORE MOVEMENT

if the game is fully released

this means Sloclap still has no idea what direction they want to go with their game

and for a fully released game this is fatal

[plush cedar]

i really think there can be compromises made for both communities. i hate the golden boost but idc about ippy. can we buff something to make missle meta worse instead of changing so many other things like i dont get it

[celest moat]

I agree it feels a bit worse, but imo overall online balance is better

[mint lynx]

Toxic techs can be nerfed or can be removed logically and simply

Instead they are prefering the lazy fixes

[plush cedar]

i agree

[cunning parrot]

Movement is everything for an arcade competitive game.

If a game has bad movement, it dies. Regardless of genre.

Balance be damned.

[celest moat]

Ehm

Alright

[mint lynx]

And rematch is no REALISTIC Football game

its arcade

so Movement is literally everything

imagine in fps games you couldn't air strafe all of a sudden

for no logical reason as well

you can make it so it doesnt gain you momentum. But you DONT REMOVE AIRMOVE function

[cunning parrot]

I'll give you an example.

The most perfectly balanced fighting game would be one where there is only one character, and you can only mirror match.

But no one would play that, because that would be boring as hell.

[mint lynx]

what rematch does is similar to removing that AIRMOVE function

[cunning parrot]

Balance is important, but fun factor and fluidity are more so.

[plush cedar]

^

[pearl breach]

Here is the visual proof if the ball crosses second line it is counted as a goal

[mint lynx]

what made people fall in love with this game was how cool and unrealistic moves you can do simply and have fun with its sharp and fast responses. Not with it's realism.

[mint lynx]

it calculates it depending on the velocity of the ball man. so for normal shots its the nets

for passes and dribbling inside its the 2nd line

[celest moat]

Ye, but most ppl weren't having fun, another week and players would have dropped lower than 5k on steam

[cunning parrot]

And watch it go even lower.

[celest moat]

We'll see

[mint lynx]

You really think people are back because of the clunky movements or because crossplay is here and people can finally play with their console owner friends ?

[cunning parrot]

This.

And people will probably leave again in 2 weeks.

[mint lynx]

Watch how people leaving the game completely after finding out how bad the core game has gotten and crossplay is meaningless

[celest moat]

Im telling you, im actually happier playing the game now, and i havent played with any crossplay friends

[plush cedar]

i think some are back cause of crossplay but i think theyll leave just as fast because of the new patch

[cunning parrot]

And we're telling you, we're not.

[mint lynx]

people can have different tastes

its okay

[cunning parrot]

And I'm pretty sure myself and Mindless are both over 500 Hour players.

[pearl breach]

Ok u right

[celest moat]

So what

I have 250 with betas

[cunning parrot]

Cool.

All I'm saying, is that we love the game. A lot.

[celest moat]

Me too

[cunning parrot]

So if we're peacing out, likely that others feel similar.

[celest moat]

And patch 2 was making me hating it

[pearl breach]

There still hope to fix the game tho plenty of games have bad releases and still are able to grow their player base

[celest moat]

It was truly terrible

[pearl breach]

Look at for honor, siege, battlefield 4

[plush cedar]

i agree but this patch hasnt made me like it anymore

[cunning parrot]

This patch feels even worse than patch 2 though, for me.

The game feels slow as shit.

[mint lynx]

@celest moat we love the core gameplay. we want adjustements. You my friend meanwhile have some issues with the core gameplay and want it to change

we only want nerfs

u want changes

[celest moat]

Nah i honestly wanted nerfs

What changes do i want exactly

[mint lynx]

I mean how else can you be okay with the arcade game having wannabe realism movement

its like 180 degree turn

[celest moat]

Bro this isnt wannabe realism, movement got clunkier, i told you it should be WAY more fluid and responsive

[cunning parrot]

Then I don't know how you could like this patch more than any patch before it.

Movement you always have to deal with, every moment of the game.

If it feels like ass, the whole game feels like ass.

[mint lynx]

Patch 2 was wrong as well I agree

it was boring

but patch 3 aint better

[celest moat]

It was straight limbo poop disaster shithole mf shit

[cunning parrot]

This game has gotten worse in most patches, imo.

I don't think any patch tops my enjoyment of the beta so far.

[celest moat]

Beta days are too far

I cant even remember that fun

Patch 2 blinded my love for the game

But ye movement should be better

[mint lynx]

I think more like toxicity of techs

and players

[celest moat]

Maybe

But overall i felt like a passenger

I felt like i was playing today

Maybe because im a defender

And it's a defensive patch imo

[mint lynx]

as a Midfielder I hate everything about movement

I run alot

defend alot

and dribble and pass alot

EE not even allowing me to rotate as i want it to

due to clunkiness

[celest moat]

Ye me too, i play defence and mid

[mint lynx]

Defensive stance used to cancel all the momentum and making switch easier and it was realistic

now even with defensive stance player now glides

doesnt allow me to turn

as responsive and fast

its not even realistic

its just bs

I dont even wanna talk about dribble changes

new meta is even more toxic than GB and ippy can ever be combined

[celest moat]

Dunno man, we lived different experience, i lived through hell playing this game for more than a month, today i felt like i was actually doing something instead of witnessing the same bs every game
I even lost like the first 5 matches playing with console noobs, it still felt better than before

[mint lynx]

wait for people to figure this shit out. No one will ever use core mechanics. It's going to get much worse than patch 2.

[celest moat]

And im telling you, when i love a game i try to learn and get very mechanical
I trained more than i played in RL
Honestly those mechs in rematch felt not interesting to me

Im all for hard games

[plush cedar]

cant lie that shit is heinous

[celest moat]

Defenders jumping in like moths

[glass jewel]

I could never understand how people dont find this shit cool as fuck

[plush cedar]

cause its broken asf

[mint lynx]

as a fighting game enjoyer I love when games have frame perfect inputs and are rewarded for it. But also for the balance they should have counterplay. all of the techs can easily be turned into core mechanics if sloclap was smart enough

The problem with GB for example is it's TP. There is no animation or anything during the process not even 0.1 delay

[celest moat]

I agree with this, core dribbles can be counted on your dick basically

[mint lynx]

Correct removal of GB ? simple. Do not allow ball to have high velocity IF direction is being changed more than 45 degrees

Sloclaps fix ? : REMOVE ALL EE ACTIONS

[celest moat]

One thing i hated abt EE was like: you get your positioning wrong, EE into the guy and steal
It created a loop of endless bullshittery

[mint lynx]

everyone hated that. it made positioning meaningless

and leading to missile meta

but sadly even now its strong

its due to priority list tho

[celest moat]

Less because lower radius and weird ee movement, which i didnt like too honestly, you're basically on rails

[mint lynx]

The game has immense potential and they can make this game be fun in hundreds of possible way including slow paced version of it. But they are just ruining

completely managing the game wrong

GK fix should be netcode improvements

their GK fixing is: Moving goal trigger from goal line to Goal NETS

[celest moat]

Gks looked strong as hell today ngl

But

[plush cedar]

this!!!!!! why is the fucking line at the post IF IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING

[obsidian isle]

Upvote

Blade cross is shit now too

[mint lynx]

In reality their hitbox is smaller and EE nerfs effects them the most. They cant push the strikers and close their angle now due to rail EE. its just free goal

[glass jewel]

yeah i got screwed over by this 2 games ago

[obsidian isle]

The blade nerf applying to crosses shouldn’t be a thing

[celest moat]

Why not

Mfs were spammimg that from corners all day long

Cross from across the field and 4 meters high blade cross from corner

[obsidian isle]

????

Your issue is with prio then

And I can still do that off a normal cross

It’s just slow

[trail jetty]

rail ee? and whats smaller gk guard stance hitbox?

just trying to visualize the terms here

[brazen prawn]

i know right.. beta one and beta 2 was the best, by far, they killed that game like i've never seen in my lifetime.. and i'm a HUGE boxing fan so u can imagine how bad it felt to see this skit..

[brazen prawn]

Smh, this is horrible, this game gets worst and worst..

[brazen prawn]

also, dunno why, but i had quite a good FPS hit since that patch..

[mint lynx]

Raill EE = Not being able to turn even by 10 degrees during EE. its basically one direction lock

[celest moat]

Ong, I liked the game, now it's a sad soup of shit

[sleek night]

Sure the game is more balanced maybe but these movement changes are not worth it. keep the netcode put the controls back

[left rampart]

dash my brother

[pearl breach]

Update isn't that bad just need to make movement adjustments so it feels more fluid and get rid of infinite speed glitch

At least for me

[left rampart]

fix sprint push from neutral putting 50 kg on ur feet and fix def stance carrying momentum + revert high volleys having less shot power + revert how EE interacts with inputs n i think the update is fine

[pearl breach]

Is not as bad u r making it out to be some of yall are exaggerating

[left rampart]

i dont think u understand what sprint push from neutral means or u wouldnt have this opinion

when u are jogging wirh the ball or standing still and then hold or tap sprint + pushball at the same time you send the ball forward but your momentum is being held back which p much just loses u the ball if any defender with blue is even remotely close on top of it just feeling horrible

u have to be visibly sprinting before u can input a push to circumvent this

[mint lynx]

volley nerf is okay

I agree with everything else

[vague herald]

Think volley nerf is too much on top of making animations easier to read

I think it would have been fine as is to keep shot power but make animations easier to read so that keeper actually needs skill and knowledge to correctly predive a ball that isnt just a guess

With the added Nerf to shot power, volley shots from edge are so slow id argue most composed (mind you, not even good) keepers can react to ball trajectory and save it

And if there is anything we should learn from games before this one is that having reactable offense is really, really bad

The further into box you force shots to be in order to force keeper to guess, the more sense it makes for people to post 3 people in box and sit there until they get the ball

[pulsar nimbus]

Somehow i didn't even consider that if you reduce the shot power, will also reduce the range at which a longshot is even viable

[vague herald]

[left rampart]

i think a lot of casual players dont see the forest past the trees

[frosty berry]

Yeah the only ones to accept this is silvers

[molten falcon]

You input on the ball with EE it cancels EE if the input is to change direction over like 45° angle it cancels

[fickle token]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6vatafP/

@rigid trail 🧑🏿‍🦯

[frozen cobalt]

Man the mouse flicking thing has to be nerfed in some way

Wait that's just dribble stance

https://tenor.com/view/scc-rat-clanware-sword-clan-community-gif-5039158665653140621

[mint lynx]

I really cannot see a single change that makes sense movement wise in this patch.

I thought I was Mindless But after seing this patch Im thinking of changing my nickname to GeniusRookie

[left rampart]

the only thing i like is jog pushball during sprint cuz u have control of the ball so much sooner after each push ball while keeping up speed

it feels like technical sprint on fifa

[pulsar nimbus]

I don't know if its just me, but EE feels like it sticks to a direction at times. Sometimes you can turn, sometimes you're absolutly stuck going one way

[mint lynx]

on freeplay it never does that. in online its train sim. Idk how they screwed this thing up but they did

[trim hawk]

Bro someone just reacted to a message I sent in this chat 2 weeks ago, who tf is scrolling that far up???

[celest moat]

True that shit is hella weird

Maybe im trippin but i noticed u get on rails when ur near other players.... maybe im trippin tho....

[alpine sleet]

That's why soclap needs to stop listening to reddit

[rotund thorn]

Attacker literally having more speed than defender with this technic lol. Fix it already

Anyone disagreeing is being dishonest

[dry viper]

Bro, what are you talking about. Game is great atm. They just need to figure out a way to balance out the stiff movement

[austere notch]

No

[viscid sorrel]

It would be fine if the techs didnt look goofy and game breaking, golden boost has your character glitching around erratically and ippy slide looks like youre using the force on the ball, the in game mechanics have plenty of flair you just arent trying hard enough

[dry viper]

Agreed. It doesn't flux with the flow of the game

[mighty vessel]

True

[celest moat]

A beacon of light...

[hexed seal]

100% agree, the issue isn't even how effective these techs are, it's how broken they look (in an online match especially)
Now you can even ippy a backheel side push and it's even worse than a normal forward push ippy. You pull the ball from so far it makes it unreadable.

[frozen cobalt]

That's a way to put it

[cunning parrot]

All of this is true.

They just needed to make proper animations to make these things more readable, and adjust the balance of it.

Take a page out of fighting games and turn emergent gameplay into core systems.

It's actually sad that a company that has a fighting game background is so allergic to this idea, and instead wishes to force everyone into a singular playstyle.

A playstyle that I will add, has always been the most powerful option, but now is practically the only option, eliminating tons of variety that keeps the game engaging.

You'd think a company with that background would understand this idea.

[austere notch]

Yeah sucks I’m more worried after they announced patch 4 than excited

[cunning parrot]

Yeah, I have 0 faith in Sloclap at this point

They are brilliantly talented thinkers.

But between Absolver and this, they have proven that they can't be trusted with any form of competitive live service game.

They treat their multiplayer games like on rails experiences.

That mentality works great for games like Sifu, but not for Rematch.

[trim hawk]

psa since this update avg players dropped from 10k to 5k

[plush cedar]

Well apparently this new update feels a lot better plus new battle pass so might be more intriguing

[neat nexus]

Yet you still have fanboys on here saying it was a good update .

The next one is the last roll of the dice as far as im concerned.

[mighty vessel]

In the movement seems a lot more slower for me

[plush cedar]

In the beta?

[mighty vessel]

Yep

[plush cedar]

Interesting

[mighty vessel]

The game it's really playable, don't get me wrong

But I'm pretty sure the new meta it will be

pass to pass

They killed a lot of potential individuals skills in this patch

I totally agree with removing those bugs that people call mechanics, like Golden Boost and Vexis Dash

but they NEED to add new dribble mechanics to replace these ''bugs''

so we can get more optimal options instead of using bugs

opening more opportunities

[plush cedar]

I agree. Can’t just nerf things into the ground and have no solution to replace it with.

[rugged breach]

the game feels so slow

[mighty vessel]

Exactly

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mint lynx]

New options sounds good but what they can do rn is nerf stam consumtion and make things a bit faster in general

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, would be good

Stamina needs a buff

That's for sure

[mint lynx]

At worst Missed tackle should give defender 20% stam penalty or something

[mighty vessel]

You can't barely run now

[mint lynx]

due to how ez it is for them to spam it and catch up once passed

[mighty vessel]

this also applies when you gets tackled, it should leaves the striker less able to recover their posture and clear the ball you just defended. There are many times when you clear the ball and it hits the wall, getting back to the striker and you just stare at them lol

or it goes to a strange position in the field

that you can't catch it up fast enough

Situations like this are kinda rare but it gets in the way

anyways

[mint lynx]

agreed. corners are literally fuckfests

[mighty vessel]

i know right xD

[cunning parrot]

Played the beta patch. Officially uninstalling, as is the rest of my squad.

This game had a good run.

Not waiting another 4 months for them to make the movement good again. Too many other things to play out there.

And I ain't talking Golden boost

Im talking simple fucking turning feel tight and crisp

Or being able to have speed when you dribble past a defender

Basic shit that real life players can do.

[mighty vessel]

They're trying to tell us to make plays that consist of passes in the worst possible way

lmao

[cunning parrot]

Like good players weren't already doing that you know?