The game is completely different now. (And boring)

[magic swift]

surprise

"dribbling is still good" ive learned to adapt to it and im not complaining as much as when we first started the beta i just get hella irritated when ppl ignore what it was vs now, its worlds different. First beta? dribbling was good. Second beta? dribbling is an option but not good. Having it simply be an option means to have to decide when to use it situationally which i dont think is better because defense in the first beta was good enough to stop dribblers

In any competitive game you want to give the player the ability to facilitate the level of randomness each situation has, in this beta i found myself randomly in all sorts of situations, changing from one action to another with little control. I didnt find people able to hold the ball for more than 3 seconds when they got it till the extreme higher levels, it should never be like that

[thick oasis]

Going to 0 stamina is where the big penalty comes in. As long as you don't drain it completely, there is barely any punishment for not dribbling efficiently.

The real punishment comes in that you can't run for a little while. Being low stam doesn't affect your ability to dribble, which is why I think half of the discussion people had here is so funny. It's only after when you have to sprint does stamina matter.

And as you said earlier, in such a short beta, there wasnt enough time to determine who is what rank, so how was there enough time for players to have near perfect control over an entirely new movement system.

There is no randomness, unless you mean something happened that you didn't expect.

Dribbling was not significantly changed from beta 1 to 2. Rainbow flicks were slower, and stamina drained faster. You say that defenders in beta 1 were good enough to stop dribblers. Maybe players that were literally learning the game for the first few hours. But not for long. Most defenders were ball chasing and slide tackle spamming, hence why we had so many complainers in the discord that slide tackle is too strong (lmao)

Dribbling is still an option you just need much more skill than the defender to get past them multiple times. Game isnt designed for 1 player to reliably do it all themselves. It's not what sloclap wants to perpetuate.

Again none of us have a great understanding of this game. It's literally impossible without spending hundreds of hours with it.

[brittle hemlock]

As soon as you are down to 80% stamina you are significantly slower so I don't know what you are on about. Dribbling past someone will definitely get you under 80% and then unless you are playing against first timers in quickplay you won't be able to do anything. There is simply no payoff for dribbling and it's better to just pass and be boring

[thick oasis]

hhuh what changed? At first it was once you reach 30% stamina you sprint slower.
Then it was EVERYTHING is slower at 30%
Now you're significantly slower at less than 80%??

where are you getting this?

it's not mentioned anywhere

I can make some clips to show that there's no speed difference if you want

[main elm]

hi darky

[thick oasis]

if other people had a different experience?

as in being able to get past defenders fairly regularly, and occasionally leading to a goal, cause that definitely was happening in my games. But I guess that saying any defender you're able to dribble past is bad and therefore the experience is invalid for balance discussion is a perfect defense

so idk what else can be said

[daring fern]

so the patch notes confirmed it was just stamina and rainbow flick changes yet ppl are still trying to say they slowed it down? incredible

[brittle hemlock]

"just stamina". It was a huge change that killed dribbling

[daring fern]

for spammers maybe, but no one wants to play with those type of ppl anyway

[thick oasis]

^

I still find it baffling you think you "won't be able to do anything" because you have 80% stamina left.....

[somber bramble]

I’m ngl Ik this is old but I can get around good players with 1-3 dribble’s pretty easily, so idk what’s so hard about it. same thing with my teammates.
There’s almost no need to pace abuse even at a high elo if you don’t want to

I think play-styles are pretty fluid and flexible in this game tbh atm so idrc about the .75 nerf either.

[thick oasis]

well put, thanks for your input mate 👍

[sleek glacier]

hi sadist

[magic swift]

Youre making a point about not reaching 0 stam but the changes are making every move get closer to that 0 mark, the penalty was 3x worse for dribbling i dont think its as simple as dont spend stam and I think the crux of the argument is becoming whether or not 1 player should have the power to break and spam passed multiple people and i think they should. The randomness comes from the added difficulty of controlling the ball and people catching up with knowledge cuz higher elos it gets better. If you take the ball and cant control it, just to give it to an enemy who also cant control it, just to have a goalie pass the ball to the enemy goalie, just to have 3 ppl slide tackle you, it was full of randomness I think this is blatant ignoring the game your playing but, again, the whole heart of the argument is whether or not one person should be able to "spam dribble" or "get passed ppl"

If youre good enough to break all 4 in a 5v5 with accessable and free use of dribbling, you should. The defense was good enough in first beta to defend if you knew anything about the game, nothing was wrong (rainbow flick spamming aside, that wouldve been an easy slight fix)

forcing the game to be teamplay versus giving everyone the ability to be great, together.

one is WAY more obviously the better choice

[thick oasis]

sure but youre not forced

[hot crest]

Gonna respond to you since I definitely know you actually know the game, and hopefully this will lay things out in an understandable way for the rest of people in the post. I kinda disagree that core mechanics were not affected by the changes made. There were two actual mechanic changes that were made, the rainbow flicking reactivity and how dribbling off of your head worked as a whole (I'll be real here, I can't pinpoint the change that adjusted this, but it was definitely different). The thing is, the rainbow flick was already barely used at top level because, as you probably know as well, it was just so easy to defend even in the previous test. The way dribbling off your head was changed I think was the bigger adjustment to dribbling as a whole.

The point of this thread originally, before it devolved into a discussion about dribbling, is that the game feels different and just overall slower. There were several massive changes that absolutely adjusted the entire way the game was played.

The first one was that goalkeepers were catching the ball a LOOOOOT more this test, whereas the test before I noticed a lot more deflections when the save was made at the outer range. When the GK catches the ball more, it will inevitably slow the pace of the game significantly and it also removes a lot of the reward for playing a more controlling offensive style. I like where the range of the GK saves are sitting right now, but I think the pace of the game would benefit greatly from a change to make sure GK's are deflecting the ball away more instead of always just catching it.

The second one, and truly the biggest change, are the stamina adjustments. Stamina in this game is like boost in RL, mana in MMO's/MOBA's, ammo in fps's, etc. It's the resource that allows you to do things in the game, and, just like it would in all of the previous games, if you limit that and reduce it overall, it will slow the game down every single time. Here are the changes they made to stamina for this test:

1. Stamina cost for push ball increased slightly (0.025)
2. Stamina regeneration now has a cooldown when stam is entirely consumed (tbf this was a bug fix and supposed to be there, but it wasn't in the previous test)
3. Stamina cost for dash reduced by 0.25 (this is tackling from defensive stance, the best move defensively)
4. Stamina cost for push ball increased by 0.5 (btw, this is the "300%" increase people are referring to when using numbers)

Those are some massive stamina changes that heavily favor defense and completely change the balance in the game. When defense is stronger, which I do believe it absolutely was this test, the game slows down which is why people are feeling like it's "boring". I do think that some of the stam changes could probably be rebalanced in favor of offense slightly. I think if they reduced some of the stamina changes, reduced the catching range of GK's and made it deflect more on the outer edges, and fix the reactivity of rainbow flicks (which they plan to do), they'll be at a good balance state. As it was for this test, however, it definitely was not the best.

[thick oasis]

plus, if 1 dude is able to get past 4 people, he will most certainly be almost or just as good at all the other aspects of the game as someone else. (maybe not GK) That player shoudnt be in that match, their MMR isnt fairly matched if theyre able to beat more than half the team reliably. It should be a rare moment, not a regular occurance

[thick oasis]

are you not factoring in that players also got better and understood the mechanics more over time?

[hot crest]

No, because we've had very little time overall to actually learn the game's mechanics. If the meta has slowed so much already in the span of what is literally just a weekish of time, that means there is a balancing issue. Now, if you were saying this 3-4+ months after launch? Sure, I could see that more, but even then the argument of potentially needing a balance change would still exist. Regardless, factoring in player skill and learning curves is a bad idea for balance because it's not actually measurable.

[brittle hemlock]

They have ronaldinho collab so I'm expecting the game to let me play like ronaldinho

[thick oasis]

Just because it's not directly measurable doesn't mean it doesn't factor in. Players that either misunderstand, or don't even know about certain mechanics completely changes the way they play, and the way they understand how the game is balanced

and im kinda saying the opposite. The game is new to everyone, your first 30 minutes is COMPLETELY different to your last 30 minutes

even if you only play 10 hours

The longer a game has been in players hands the closer everyones understanding of mechanics is

[hot crest]

I really don't know what point you're making

[thick oasis]

Youre saying that the changes to the game experience are entirely due to gameplay changes

[hot crest]

I literally never said that

[brittle hemlock]

Many words to describe skill ceiling. And I'm glad you understand the concept so you can see that individual skill ceiling in this game is very low and everyone will be on about the same level in 100h of playtime. This is not good for a competitive game

[thick oasis]

no you implied it

[cedar knoll]

Really well put and can you DM me a copy of this please. I’d like to respond to it properly tomorrow as it almost 2am at the minute.

The stamina thing is very true and going back and watching my old clips you can tell the difference.

My big thing is: I trust his dev team. They don’t have annoying bureaucracy in place. Their CEO is a great guy and not some domineering figure.

He puts “creative director” before his CEO title for example.

[hot crest]

I didn't imply it either

Gotchu Baldur

[thick oasis]

do you mean the skill ceiling is the highest current level of play?

not the theoretical limit?

[brittle hemlock]

Theoretical individual limit

[thick oasis]

i think you mean something else then, a skill ceiling is the highest level of play achievable by anyone. Professional players play at the skill ceiling, where the tinest difference changes a match result

[hot crest]

I definitely think the dev team has made some really great changes so far and has been super responsive. I've been extremely impressed with Sloclap, so I also trust the changes will be made.

[cedar knoll]

Just to back up what wallaby is saying: 99.999% of the playerbase are still figuring out how to do stuff a lot of us were doing in the playtests.

The meta was a lot more hoof ball into a man up top this patch because of a few reaisns, 1 being KBM being not ideal

[cedar knoll]

They also listen

[brittle hemlock]

I'm not expecting this to be like rocket league where you are still learning after 5k hours, but it is extremely limited what you can do as an individual player right now

[cedar knoll]

Which is a huge thing

Aight fuck. I need to sleep 😭 very well put though wallaby as I said will reply properly tomorrow

[hot crest]

I've noticed!! The changes they made to the custom game viewer in the middle of an ongoing tournament to make it better was crazy awesome

for sure have a good night! Sorry I always forget the time differences

[hollow skiff]

One thing

Your change 1 and 4 contradict each other

[hot crest]

Either way, all I was saying is that the changes they made for this test slowed the game down. This was objectively true, and almost all of the top level noticed and understand this. I think this created a lot of the "boring" feel people were having, but couldn't really put into words. Maybe the balance it is currently is good for later on down the road when people have gotten better, but for right now, the changes slowed down the meta in what I believe to be an overall negative way. I think they should balance it slightly in favor of offense for launch, then make balance adjustments as time goes on if needed

Oh they do

[hollow skiff]

Oh

By .025

[hot crest]

Maybe the first one is when receiving it?

[hollow skiff]

Not .25

[hot crest]

[hollow skiff]

No it was just your values

[hot crest]

you're right

Good catch thank you

[brittle hemlock]

Only problem is that balance changes will take a while to implement simply because of having to wait for console approvals every time. So any time they mess up the balance we will be stuck in bad meta for a while

[hot crest]

Right, but the current meta is what I would consider to be "bad", so a balance adjustment should be made for launch imo

[brittle hemlock]

Yeah

[magic swift]

Nice! havent had insight on the character of the devs, many people saying they want to support this kind of dev team but i didnt know they were that dedicated, good to hear as a preorderer to

[thick oasis]

"goalkeepers were catching the ball a LOOOOOT more this test, whereas the test before I noticed a lot more deflections when the save was made at the outer range."
This implies that the primary reason for GKs catching more balls is because they adjusted the GK dive. You didnt mention that people would have also learned how to play GK better with more time.

"Those are some massive stamina changes that heavily favor defense and completely change the balance in the game. When defense is stronger, which I do believe it absolutely was this test,"
Youre literally stating here that the differences in the 2 tests were the reason defense felt stronger. Again, players also stopped spamming slide tackle putting them miles out of position, more players learned to use defensive stance.

lots of other things you mentioned too, hope this cleared up my point.
Yes there were objective and noticeable differences between the two tests, but there are also a TON of other subjective factors that would also play into having different experiences. The game will be slower when less people are making mistakes, and players are more precise. Game will be faster when teams are booting it up and down the pitch.

[brittle hemlock]

Ok this gotta be a troll

[hollow skiff]

Bruh

I think we’ve hit the point

[brittle hemlock]

Feels like chatgpt repeating random nonsense every time

[hot crest]

I've played games for over 15 years now, I've tested literally hundreds of games, and Sloclap is easily top 3 for dev teams I've seen so far

[hollow skiff]

Ehere maybe you might be the troll

[brittle hemlock]

While I think no one comes close to Valve in dev skill and passion I think Sloclap is definitely up there as one of my favorites

[magic swift]

Nice i preordered the highest version of the game after beta 1 but these kind of comments are keeping me from refunding, I'll trust it!

[brittle hemlock]

I only got the pro version but I'm planning on playing this game for as long as it stays popular

[hot crest]

Ok cool. Game slowed down a lot, needs to be balanced. This discussion is not impactful

[thick oasis]

changing the game in a reactionary way is exactly what got us here lmao

[magic swift]

@thick oasis you didnt reply to how crazy you sounded right here, do you concede to what i said?

[thick oasis]

No but its hard to understand what you mean do you want to move to a DM?

[magic swift]

by the end of the beta this is my sentiment as well, hopefully lean towards a version that feels slightly like the first beta

this beta made me better at shooting

It was in reply to this but we can DM if you want, just was a logical inconsistency i think

[thick oasis]

yeah sure its just a bit messy here with cross chats

[thick oasis]

sorry i couldnt explain myself properly

[hot crest]

This is a test. It is meant to spark change. This is the best time for them to make balance changes

[hollow skiff]

Is it?

[hot crest]

When would be a better time?

[hollow skiff]

By giving every change like maybe 2 days to simmer?

Uh over a longer period of time

Like every other game does

[hot crest]

What's the point of tests then

[hollow skiff]

Do get feedback

And also Yk

Server testing

Glitch finding

Bugs

[hot crest]

Perfect, to get feedback. What do you do with that feedback

All of those others are important also yes

[hollow skiff]

Objection leading

[hot crest]

LOL

[hollow skiff]

Yeah you use feedback to make changes

But not after like 2 days of feedback

Most games Yk

Give it a patch

The patches are on regular schedules

[thick oasis]

mfw someone leads me into completely sound logic

[hollow skiff]

And if it’s really bad

They do emergency patches

[hot crest]

Every single game I have ever tested for has made changes after tests based on feedback when the game is first being created

[hollow skiff]

I mean I didn’t say it wasn’t sound logic

I just pointed he was obviously leading me to his narrative

When thag answer could be used for Botb of pur narratives

It was funny

I wasn’t like invalidating his point

Also yea those tests are typically very private tho

[hot crest]

Early in a game's lifespan, which this is, it is the best time to make changes because if you make the wrong changes, players aren't good enough to abuse them heavily

[hollow skiff]

I mean that really depends on the type of game

More simplistic games are more quickly and easily abused

The game already has so little so it’s easier to notice a flaw

[hot crest]

Right, like the game being too slow with current stamina changes

[hollow skiff]

I guess

I mean it’s a step in the right direction

I agree it’s a bit too slow

But I don’t think it needs to go back to the old version

[hot crest]

I agree, I think it was previously too offensively favored. Just dialing it the other way a little bit would be a good place to start

Ok so you agree with me then

Cause that's what I was advocating for

[hollow skiff]

Yeah the game woild be great wjth in the middle

I mean yeah most of what you said I agree with

It’s just some things

[magic swift]

this was comedy

[hollow skiff]

Plus it was also a bit hard when your presentation at first since I like

Hadn’t seen you type before

Seemed a bit like pretentious

[hot crest]

Oh

[hollow skiff]

But I realzied thag wasn’t the intent

It was just weird seeing you be like oh yeah this is for the people who AXTUALLY get the game

When like

I think the most playtime was like what

40 hours

💀

But that was just me nitpicking

I didn’t AXTUALLY like take offense

[hot crest]

Oh I just meant I trust Baldur's opinions because I've seen him play and he's really good. He's also played over many tests and has well over a hundred hours on the game so far

[hollow skiff]

But yeah overall

Ohhh

Understood

Good man

But yeah I do agree the first release period is the most important for the future of the game

The game is still a bit too unbalanced to one side

I just also want to be cautious of a rivals issue happening

Where the devs listen too hastily to the players feedback

And then it ends up ruining competitive

[thick oasis]

i think the beta 2 recap said highest playtime was 61h

[hollow skiff]

Damn

Same idea tho

A lot for 3 days

But still

I doubt even a handful got thag much

[hot crest]

Many of the top players are sitting at over a hundred hours throughout the tests

[hollow skiff]

Ok well top players rn still isn’t very accurate

Seeing as a lot of people haven’t had the time especially since the last beta was in a weird timeframe

Like I don’t doubt they are good

But the competition isn’t very large rn

[hot crest]

Ok I can rephrase. Many of the players winning tournaments and placing highest in ranked are sitting at over a hundred hours over the multiple tests

[hollow skiff]

The point still kind of stands for the second part

Playtime wasn’t on average very high

So not much time to go up a ranked ladder

BUT

[severe geyser]

"Good" is all relative they are good now but in a short time they will be bottom leader board skill level. The skill floor of the game is going to raise very rapidly once full release happens

[hollow skiff]

I see the point

[hot crest]

Yeah I think this is pedantic at this point

[hot crest]

They are good with the same amount of time to play the game as everyone else. A lot of the higher performing players are also pros from other games, so wouldn't be surprising if several of them stay up there

[severe geyser]

Yeah they will likely stay good if they continue to play.... the drop off is if they were to stop playing. Even in active games pros from a few years ago are usually about as good as high ranked players. The gaps close quickly is more what I meant

[thick oasis]

the skype emoji threw me

2013 flashbacks

[hot crest]

Yeah that makes sense. I only use higher performing players opinions since they have more hours on average than the rest of the playerbase and will have more experience to make opinions off of

Yeah I only use that one cause it's so good lol

[thick oasis]

That's very true, however I have found from time to time that high level players can give advice that is completely useless for the majority of a games playerbase haha

[hollow skiff]

I mean probably from the average person who only did 1 of the tests

But im sure there were alot of others who took part in more than 1 test

Like I’m sure between those who participated in multiple tests the skill difference isn’t that high

[thick oasis]

generally good players have a better understanding of a game tho for sure

[severe geyser]

That is fair but in this context its a bit harder because we all don't know. Sure they know a bit more but we have no frame for if what they "know" is based on poor foundations because they are doing something that only really consistently works on people with poor fundamentals or other gaps in skill. I don't think that wholistically its a bad idea to take info from those at the top but its also important to create your own ideas from your own experience

[hollow skiff]

Yeah I think what peanut butter is trying to say is

Overthrow the top players

And start a revolution

(Lying)

Just cause you started the marathon in first doesn’t mean you’ll end in first

[hot crest]

The game as it is feels slow and a bit boring at around 100 ish hours for players with a higher speed of learning. I see no reason it wouldn't feel that way for the rest of players at around the 150-300 hour mark. That is very early on for a game like this to feel really slow paced. Since this is something that consistently feels this way from opinions I've seen from players, it likely is something that should be adjusted. The players being "top players" isn't relevant, I should've just left that part out since it always starts a different argument. I just know more of their opinions from interactions with them and I also know they have more hours

[hollow skiff]

But doesn’t thag also leave a question of oversaturation

I think if anyone played a game like 15 hours a day

For multiple days straight

They might get a bit bored

[hot crest]

It was noticed almost immediately on the start of the test

Keep in mind this is not the first test

[hollow skiff]

I guess

Maybe I’m just jealous I’m not a top players 🥲

Also one note about the tournaments

Most of the footage I saw which was like maybe 2-3 hours

Was always with the teams kinda being centered around one or two hypercarries

While the other players weren’t exactly very stand out in skill

At least from the average player

THAGS mainly why I’m hesitant to accept that as credible

And also the tournaments where a thing you kinda had to look for

Not too much but still

Like I’m sure the average person was focused on playing rematch as opposed to participating in a tournament thag only ran on a specific time frame

Even a really good player

[versed ice]

they are addding different game modes every season

[hollow skiff]

Tournament mode when

[hot crest]

I mean skill level of players doesn't matter in the point I made

[hollow skiff]

Which point

We have made a lot of those 😭

[hot crest]

That a change was very noticeable and the game felt much slower for players with a lot of playtime

From the get go

[hollow skiff]

Oh yeah

I mean kind of

Your skill at a game does impact your fun factor

[hot crest]

Though your opinion is one I've heard made a lot of times already and nobody has provided gameplay even remotely close yet

[hollow skiff]

I mean

I was too busy playing rematch

[hot crest]

[hollow skiff]

To really think oh yeah let me save my matches

[hot crest]

Just something I've noticed

[hollow skiff]

Thre

[amber willow]

[hollow skiff]

Plus

None of it will matter when we see who AXTUALLY is the best

Once the game comes out

Then we can talk shit 😈

But no yeah I get it

It can be the whole like

Well they’ve never beat ME

With no actual substance

Just something to note

[amber willow]

Which one

[hot crest]

Since you technically are directly saying my opinion isn't as credible since you think the skill level I'm playing at isn't that impressive, I just am saying that people are saying that a lot recently with nothing to back it up. All I'm saying is that it's hard to take that particular point seriously.

[hollow skiff]

Wel I wasn’t talking my abojt you specifically

The point I was trying to make was

Even if they were at this higher skill level

[hot crest]

That the tournament gameplay from who is considered to be the top teams in each region right now isn't good

[hollow skiff]

It was still clear thag not the entirety of the team shared the same skill level

As there were obvious carries

[amber willow]

It's still a lot better than the average player with 5hrs

[hollow skiff]

I mean dih

Duh

[hot crest]

Idk it's just a funny take is all not really relevant for the discussion

[hollow skiff]

I mean you could argue that eben bringing up rank or tournaments was not really relevant

[hot crest]

Everyone had the same amount of time to get good and some players stood out over others. The other players then say it doesn't mean anything because it's not official launch

[amber willow]

Someone that has more hours into the game, high ranking and participated in tournaments will be more credible that someone that didn't have enough time to play the beta

[hot crest]

No I mean like me arguing it isn't relevant

[hollow skiff]

Ah

[hot crest]

Sorry didn't mean your point

[hollow skiff]

True dat

No I get it

It just becomes this whole

[hot crest]

Just slight salt is all since I'm part of that group

[hollow skiff]

Nah I’m rihht

I mean yeah

Plus if one of those tournaments wasn’t while I was at work

[hot crest]

Well hopefully you feel like I'm taking your opinions seriously

[hollow skiff]

I woild probably be in your group as Wel

😭😭

[hot crest]

Yeah this is the approach I was going for

When I originally brought it up

[amber willow]

The pace of the game generally felt slower compared to last beta

[hot crest]

I just think that bringing up the concept of "top players" never goes well

Egos get involved

[hollow skiff]

I mean after the games been out for a while

It just becomes a clear like

[amber willow]

Yeah but I mean it's true tho

[hollow skiff]

One side is cooo mg

Coping

But rn

Yeah it is not a very rihht or wrong discussion

[hot crest]

True but it just kinda ruins the conversation

[amber willow]

It has credibility when it comes to mechanics of the game and general playstyle after hours. We are not talking about first impressions

Which someone with 1hr vs 1000hrs would have the same credibility

[hot crest]

Honestly I think I'm looking more at first impressions really

As in like, first 200-300 hours

[amber willow]

Yeah I mean, its still a huge difference between someone with 5hrs vs 200

Imo dribbling stamina consumption shouldn't have been nerfed by 300%

Just making it cost double would've been alright

Rainbow flick head juggle did needed to be gutted

[hollow skiff]

Ok Wel your using extreme examples

Like yea 1 and 1000

Are gonna have completely different opinions

[thick oasis]

so dont take it that literally

its called emphasis

[hot crest]

The more accurate desciptor is like 20 vs 100

which is still a big difference

[hollow skiff]

He could also be serious about it

You never know

[sleek glacier]

.

[sleek glacier]

.

good shit dude

[hollow skiff]

ouch

im not even him and my shit hurts

[sleek glacier]

And what do you think? I've often seen you write here but I've never managed to find the message where you explain your point of view. I'm curious.

[hot crest]

I'm ngl idk if he's actually making fun of me or not

[hollow skiff]

no clue

darky is an enigma

i assume agree

but he also used the hat tip

[hot crest]

Same since his opinion is the same as mine lol

[hollow skiff]

so it could be ironic

[hot crest]

A tough one

[sleek glacier]

I agree with you.

[hot crest]

W

[hollow skiff]

good boyyyyy

[sleek glacier]

and this is like a gesture of respect here in Italy

[hot crest]

Oh in the US that kinda emote is for like making fun of incels

[sleek glacier]

lmao

[sleek glacier]

its like chapeau for us

i even pinned your message in the post

[hot crest]

I believe you my man, I just think it was a small culture clash

[amber willow]

I said it already. That the game feels overall slow and 1v1 is too nerfed to the point that if you try to 1v1 and not pass the ball you're already hindering the game

[sleek glacier]

alright

[lime sigil]

So many good feedback but this idiotic thread with zero valuable input is still going

Game is so doomed

[raw wraith]

and yet you keep coming back and are one of the top posters 😛

this is my favourite thread fs 💪

[haughty crescent]

Passing the ball is not riskless either when enemy team is marking well

Tackling already has a cooldown, a single forward push is enough to sprint pass a defender that missed their tackle

Passing the ball is only optimal when a teammate has managed to get to a free space by good off-the-ball movement

[brittle hemlock]

Which is really easy to do

[haughty crescent]

Overall both offensive options(dribbling and passing) have good defensive counterplay and also require outplaying to work

[haughty crescent]

I think it only happens frequently at solo queue games where most people don't bother with defending, in fan-hosted tournament games I frequently see defenders intercepting passes

[lime sigil]

cuz this shit is always on #1 spot haha
it's the biggest misinformation thread ever

[sleek glacier]

just ignore it, no one is forcing you to write. especially if you continue to not be ready to accept other opinions.

you have your idea and others have a different one. it's that simple.

[hollow skiff]

You sound like a baby

there’s no other way to put it

You’re whining thag people are having a discussion?

[amber willow]

Weren't you doing the same

[amber willow]

Keep it civil

[hollow skiff]

My fault

Yes king

Aight I fixed it

[lime sigil]

You sound like chronically online on every discussion

[hollow skiff]

Sure

Funny coming from the guy constantly needing to chekc and message on a thread he thinks is pointless

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[lime sigil]

😦 did I hurt your feelings 😦

[hollow skiff]

Seems like I did

Calm down I was just teasing

I love you

Bro…

[amber willow]

Take it to DMs girlies

[sleek glacier]

hi @main elm

[knotty wind]

It’s so funny to see flames still running in this thread LOL

[sleek glacier]

Damn guys the thread is actually over. what an amazing journey. thank you all, we'll see in a few days if the developers were able to balance things out as asked.

[maiden silo]

Dude this thread is massive. If you want your feedback to be heard I think it needs to be summarized lmao

[sleek glacier]

there are the most important points (in my opinion) pinned in the message

[woven parcel]

I know that the thread is over but I agree 😂 I didnt have any problems with dribbling, just the sluggish movement.

[lapis nimbus]

gg good thread

[sleek glacier]

we are about to find the truth

[knotty wind]

In the end, have fun boyz

@sleek glacier

[sleek glacier]

🫡

enjoy, we did it.

[barren lava]

https://tenor.com/view/allmight-bnha-mha-meme-fist-up-gif-13588517052470008833

[woven parcel]

So how is it? Im still at work...

[sullen crescent]

definitely feels slower

don't think i like the change

[dawn dew]

I agree

lowkey feels worse than the 2nd beta

[eager flax]

It's been, quite literally not even 2 hours

and we are talking about gameplay changes without actually analyzing whether or not it's good or not

crazy

[carmine blaze]

we did analyze we played the game for 2-3 different betas. and most ppl agree on what was good and what wasnt

[raw wraith]

game feels worse maybe because performance seems to have dropped. I'm noticing more input lag than last beta, which in turn makes the mechanics "feel" a bit sluggish. My fault for having a garbage gpu tho lmao

actually I think this is not the game but something on my end.. The game did drop a TINY bit of performance (went from 144-150fps -> 130fps) but not much really.

[amber willow]

We can't bladeshot 🥀 only with rainbow flick

[vestal trail]

you can

[heavy rover]

Anyone norticed issues with key remapping? it seems like if your using the modifier function it is impossible to confirm your binds.

[knotty wind]

2hrs done, it feels slightly better which led our team to have more fun than before.

Servers are not helping, and game performance seems a bit worse, sometimes the game act stiff.

Overall, better than beta2, slightly worse than beta1…

Will see with more hours

[thin sleet]

u can , just tap the ball first

[knotty wind]

Hard critique, much unstable than ever (crashes, disconnections)

[kindred trail]

I've gotta be real, I did expect some stiffness or desync, but having this game crash 8 times in an hour is fucking beyond me. Even when it's not me crashing, it's my teammates or the opponents, how are we near 'release' lmfao

[hollow skiff]

Not me tho 😂

[kindred trail]

still really love the game, the style and when the servers arent shitting it, its like a 9/10. But this has been such a rough start hahaha

[kindred trail]

Honestly i was fine like you at the start, but my 5 stack has been dying nonstop😭

[hollow skiff]

Damn

Feels bad

Let’s hope they fix it for everyone

Soon

[vestal trail]

any ideas if they going to fix passing on mouse and keyboard

i liked the wasd input passing

[daring echo]

they won't

they alread said its fixed

and its still the same

[hollow skiff]

You heard it here guys

Straight from the creator of rematch himself

[brittle hemlock]

If you cap fps you shouldn't crash. But servers are so much worse than in beta

[knotty wind]

Better than beta2, worse than beta1

[knotty wind]

That’s valid for every single aspect of the game tbh

[versed fog]

So only works when you don’t have possession of ball basically

[cerulean snow]

Trying to pass on controller is painful trying to run and also aim my pass with the same stick just doesn’t work, even if I get the arrow to lineup with my intended pass it just decides to not listen and go miles behind or miles in front

[versed fog]

I disagree from my experience

[cerulean snow]

Mind giving some insight on how your doing it because I’ve had to resort to shooting at my team instead,

Quick passes work but if I’m tryna cross it across the box, play someone through or switch it the ball just has none of it

[knotty wind]

That's the most wrong opinion of all the opinions I've ever heard

[versed fog]

It’s better to use the shoot button if they are really far if your running you can’t do a tap square pass it till still pass really fast I think I’m not really sure how to give insight on passing accurately other than to practice it came naturally for me where to pass and which button to pass with. You want to make sure your passes aren’t too strong or too weak.

Only thing I can do is go into practice with you and see what’s wrong with your passing

[cerulean snow]

Me and my mate just couldn’t get the hang of it so we went into a private match and just found it easier to use shoot all together but I’m seeing everyone else do these flick on passes or back heals,

Ik that would all come down to skill anyway and practice to learn how to but sometimes it just feels like they’re doing something I’m not bcs the ball just don’t listen even if the arrows line up to where I’ve aimed 😂

[versed fog]

Try to keep who your passing too in your field of vision

I also find having the mini map on rotate makes it easier to read

Maybe you got a lil stick drift😂

Always call for the ball when open it makes it easier to find you on passes

[cerulean snow]

Nah my sticks fine it might be the fact that I’m trying to run and pass at the same time so it’s getting mixed inputs

I have noticed it gets a little pass assist lock if someone calls for it but if they don’t that’s where my issue comes in

[austere agate]

ur not high elo buddy ur diamond 1

[hollow skiff]

stfu

diamond 1 in league is top 3 percentage of the playerbase

get da fuq outta here wiht not high elo

[woven parcel]

Bro my game is stuttering so hard with mid options. I hot 4070, i5 14600, 32gig of ram and m.2 ssd, are there known optimization problems? I was so hyped and I have to play with robloc settings. Maybe gsync is the problem? Smt is wrong

[daring echo]

driver issue

[analog perch]

people saying the rainbow flick feels worse

is literally dealing with the fact that people dont fall for them for free anymore

like in the first beta

[daring echo]

im scared that we might have set of skills each binded to one button soon

[knotty wind]

Early simple review:

I’m enjoying much more the game than the beta2, but the state of bugs and servers are unbearable.
Hope this “paid beta” gives enough to fix most of the problems for Thursday

I’m not even trying this time to go in ranked because for me and my group the game crashes too many times to risk our mental health LOL

[pearl quail]

You lot are bots if you can’t dribble

They literally increased the speed of the rainbow flick as well

[sharp wedge]

The sliding is ridiculous and the ball moves too slow even on a full belt shot 1000% agree

[amber willow]

diamond is just plats that use their minimap

[hollow skiff]

In league?

Or are you talking rematch?

Actually doesn’t even matter

In any game diamond is high Elo

It’s usually less than 5 percent of the ranked playerbase

So if it was that easy everyone would be diamond

[tired compass]

damn this thread is still alive?

[timid yoke]

Lol diamond one is the top 1.5% of players calling that not high elo is the biggest joke of all time

[hollow skiff]

On the good news

Rainbow flick self volley still exists

[austere agate]

bunch of mechanically unfortunate losers calling diamond 1 "top 1.5%" who are you kidding? until youve played high master you haven't played league of legends most of you dont even know how to jungle

[hollow skiff]

Why quotes when it’s just the statistical fact

Also by that logic if you’re not Challengee you haven’t played the game tbh

Also high level league isn’t a mechanical difference

The largest gap in league between a pro abd high Elo player is game knowledge and game sense

They just process and macro infinitely better than the average player

[amber willow]

[hot crest]

Try disabling overlays and make sure you update your graphics driver. Every single person I've played with has not had a single problem with crashes or anything. Literally the only issue we have is queue times

The graphics driver update that came out yesterday also fixed a couple of my teammates frame drops completely

[knotty wind]

Latest updates are stable

First day was a mess

[wispy idol]

You have a point , I say they nerf tackling buff dribbling or do both

[hot crest]

Servers have been great today for NA

[main hedge]

all they need to do is slightly reduce stamina usage when dribbling

[brittle hemlock]

@sleek glacier looks like they listened and will improve dribbles to allow for more skill expression. At least they said so in their post

[hollow skiff]

They been saying that