enfusion_model

[thorny cobalt]

They do be nice wheels tho

[zenith quartz]

Bake bake bake bake!

[thorny cobalt]

Just slap ProOptimizer onto it and get it down to 16k faces

[shell hedge]

16k faces for a tire? what is this, nanite?

do a plane with a wheel texture

[thorny cobalt]

Well I just checked the UAZ wheel, its 6k verts and 8k faces, so mine is only double of that

[shell hedge]

impressive, I only have one face

[delicate condor]

oh we have a case of Lou here

[thorny cobalt]

Thank you for your useless comments, I appreciate the garbage

[delicate condor]

all in all, it can work if you also add good distance lods to it

it might aggressively lod to lower levels though. or in large numbers it could impact fps

4 wheels would count as 8 "default" wheels and so on

[thorny cobalt]

My tire treads are made with open subdiv.
I could simply make second lod switch to a version without it, will still look alright but have like 10% the faces 😄

[delicate condor]

indeed

do components swap lods independently or are they tied to the main objects lod levels? 🤔

probably latter

[shell hedge]

it's still meshobjects though?????

I hope

[tacit eagle]

to bad the ural truck tire is just a smooth tire with a bunch of cubes glued on it...

[tacit eagle]

which tires are those for? they are off-roading mud/sand tires

[mental thunder]

I'm noticing that my model gets culled at a distance. All it has is an LOD0 so I'm guessing somewhere it's defined as a max render distance. Any help in that direction would be appreciated.

[tacit eagle]

I would have to guess that you would have to make more lods

[dense thunder]

Same with any game for performance you need lower LODS that render at further distances

[mental thunder]

They're not much better than cubes so I don't think I need to worry about optimizing performance. More importantly is that something which blocks bullets be visible at any distance.

[tacit eagle]

make them planes than

[mental thunder]

I added more LOD's, this did not increase render distance

[tacit eagle]

hmm there must be somthing in enfusion to define the lod distances

how to do that I have zero idea

[surreal ore]

In the xob properties iirc. I know there are properties for lods at least

@mental thunder how many loads did you make?

How big is your object?

[mental thunder]

I tried making 3 to see if it'd make a difference, I don't think it changed the render distance at all.

[mental thunder]

It's not that big but it's very important to render no matter how small / what distance it is. It's shield for turret plating (I just released its called the "Humvee Enhanced" mod). And the problem is if you're a sniper aiming at the humvee, it won't show up because the game culls it at a certain distance.

[delicate condor]

youll need to add fake size to it

it most likely is just too small to draw

[mental thunder]

It's about the height of a person and I can see the person in the humvee. If I watch the humvee while I back up I can see the point where it just disappears, and it's not nearly as far as I'd like.

[delicate condor]

try adding few verticles to it so its bigger

[mental thunder]

Good idea ~ perhaps the LOD is calculated by an invisible bounding box on the mesh

[delicate condor]

well at least previously "the size" of an object has been its all lod combined bounds

[mental thunder]

I put a few vertices out into the wild, same result. Perhaps it goes off tris?

[delicate condor]

you could try last lod that is just planes with the frame texture on

so its one solid part and no tiny frame

[light eagle]

Lod switching is done automatically based on Screenspace of object by default. That is what horriblegoat is talking about. There are options to manually set lod switching. That is what zelik is talking about

On the wiki, it talks about manually setting your lod switches. You can try setting them to much smaller screenspace limits so each lod stays longer

[delicate condor]

ah there is a property for that 👍

that would be better approach

[mental thunder]

Thanks ~ where would I adjust that?

[light eagle]

I'm driving, helping at stoplights. Sorry. Check wiki on lod's

[mental thunder]

kk

[mental thunder]

Ah I've been adjusting the LOD scale & factors to no avail when I read it inherits it from parents. So adjusting it on the parent fixed the issue.

That being said it fixed it for LOD's coming in too quickly, the actual max render distance seems to still not be affected

Alright I managed to solve the problem by making a big face behind the turret that uses an invisible material to trick it into thinking its taking up more space on the screen.

Also decided against adjusting parent LOD properties since I realized I'd have to adjust the properties of the humvee itself (which are warranted because of how detailed it is) so instead keeping those properties and just using greater LOD's. I.e instead of LOD0,1,2 doing LOD0,1,2,3,4 where LOD0/1 are the same 2/3 are the same, and 4 is the aggressive one. That way when the humvee switches LOD really quick at a short distance, the LOD of the plating 'switches' but uses the same model so it works out.

[mental thunder]

So the issue is solved and my mod has LOD's. And with adding LOD's also let me add a new feature where if you're further from the plating it uses a slightly more aggressive opacity glass material so at a distance you can still tell that there's glass there.

[zenith quartz]

Should I pack this to a single 4K or two 2Ks?

I think latter would be better perf wise and I could manage it, but at the same time I'm worried about actually being able to texture it efficiently in substance painter with 2 2Ks 😅

since UVPackMaster is assigning which island goes to which texture automatically

but i guess i could do that part by hand...

[sly bridge]

2x 2K

or 2x 4Kx2K

[zenith quartz]

Oh 4K x 2K is a good idea.

Reforger supports that?

[sly bridge]

pretty sure it does

also, 1-2K magazine?

[zenith quartz]

Yup, 1K mag.

[cloud rampart]

Hi, im trying to get all bones of a USP I made, I get the bones right, but the memory points get outside the w_root and all mesh up. How can i link it to the root?

[zenith quartz]

Maybe a dumb question but would 2 2Ks have the same performance impact as a single 2Kx4K?

[wary eagle]

Does the Reforger mod tools not let you import an fbx with a custom rig? I'm trying to import this free little model I got off sketchfab as a test and Reforger tools won't show any bones.

It says it has 0 bones. But importing the fbx into Blender will show bones.

[little kayak]

you need to import those with specific settings: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import#Import_process_in_the_Workbench

[wary eagle]

me?

[little kayak]

yes

[wary eagle]

Oh hey look at that

Thanks

[sly bridge]

@tacit eagle - wrong channel

[tacit eagle]

where can I post that type of request

[sly bridge]

nowhere, at least atm

[tacit eagle]

Err, ok?

[sly bridge]

closest would be #enfusion_generic, but this channel is not for that sort of thing @tacit eagle +

[tacit eagle]

which wheel is this for? is ground friction confirmed

[thorny cobalt]

This wheel is for the wheel you can see 😉

I don't know what you mean by ground friction, wheel configs have a tire tread entry, I think its for something thingymabob

[calm rune]

I think he means different ground materials would have different values for friction. So depending on the tread type on the tire it would react different to different kinds of ground material(sand, dirt, rock, etc.) Your tire looks like a sand tire judging by the tread pattern.

[tacit eagle]

its def a sand/mud tire

[calm rune]

100% sand dune style tread. Mud tire has the same pattern but more lenght on the lug.

[thorny cobalt]

I have no idea if or how that works

[tacit eagle]

how ground friction would work is that different ground materials would affect vehicle traction. speed, acceleration, climbing ability and the tendency to loose traction during certain conditions such as hard steering inputs and acceleration on something like ice and gravel

maybe having different properties based on certain tires is a little much and should just be vehicle dependent

[tacit eagle]

How does model making work in Enfusion

[deft owl]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import

[ornate coral]

hi can anyone tell me why my model is black when i import an fbx but its normal if i turn it into a p3d and then back into a fbx to import it.

[tacit eagle]

i think you have to import the materials separately

ctrl + f and type FBX and you might find what your looking for

[plain galleon]

The pants.xob follows the bones when i move them around, so I can deform them as I please.. but ingame the pants are static and doesn't follow at all.

What could be wrong?

[sly bridge]

modeling doesn’t happen in enfusion

[sly bridge]

the prefab most likely

[tidal latch]

Skeleton has to match base body

It seems yoy have leaf bones enabled in blender export. Check wiki for more details

[plain galleon]

Will double check, assumed sample skeleton and prefab based on the reforger models would match

[half anvil]

Why is this happening?

[dense thunder]

Have you added rigidbody and ticked static object and model geometry?

[half anvil]

from blender?

[dense thunder]

In enfusion tools, add new component "rigidbody" then in options tick static and model geometry

Doing this will activate the collisions

[half anvil]

it is still happening

maybe the model doens't have collisions

[dense thunder]

Pretty sure it needs to be part of a prefab to work also

If your just dropping in the xob it won't work

[half anvil]

what should i do

[dense thunder]

Make it a prefab, use the wiki to do so

[plain galleon]

leaf bones confirmed, didn't solve the trick but guess one step closer. Only thing I see is that my model lacks the collision lod

[half anvil]

I made it, but i can still get through it 😄

[zenith quartz]

Do you have vertex colors on the model? That could be causing it.

[dense thunder]

What's your collisions set as?

[half anvil]

where can i see them

sorry i am very new to these

[dense thunder]

so when you setup your colliders in blendr whadid you select

use PropFireView

[half anvil]

i figured out that the model doesn't have any geometry

[dense thunder]

oh

[half anvil]

Create entity @"ENTITY:1" ('GenericEntity','Models/Barrier/barrier.xob') at <0.000000 0.000000 0.000000> @"{2D93D6B69CF7B6CE}Models/Barrier/barrier.et"
RESOURCES (E): Trying to create RigidBodyComponent on model @"Models/Barrier/barrier.xob" without geometry

[dense thunder]

did you make your colliders in blender?

[half anvil]

i downloaded the model from sketchfab, so no

[dense thunder]

lol

[half anvil]

😄

is there any video shows to how to do it

[dense thunder]

use the wiki and give it a good read

[cloud rampart]

Hi, i have done this object as a Icon for statues and monument to my addon and get some zones invisible, anyone knows what happen?

All faces are well on blender

[dense thunder]

recalculate your normals

[half anvil]

can you send the link

[dense thunder]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Main_Page

there you go but id learn to use search functions as your gonna need them too.... alot

[fathom elbow]

building generator go brr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKZ074ISG_M

[little kayak]

wow, too bad it doesn't generate interiors 😛
But I guess it can be implemented with some knowledge about Blender

[shell hedge]

this addon also doesn't support sloped roof for now, but square stuff is already promising

it automates the easiest part of making buildings 😛

[fathom elbow]

the easiest but often still very time consuming... if you dont have a square layout dealing with all the edges, odd angles and transitions is annoying

plus with some extension you could also make it generate technical LOD (collision/fire geometry) along with the visual exterior

[zenith quartz]

👀 Soon.

[bright raft]

Love the polymer material. Substance?

[zenith quartz]

Yuppp. Thanks!

[sly bridge]

nais

g99 :))?

[zenith quartz]

HK433! It's our semi-futurized variant for our project. 🙂

Hence the Titanfall-esque ammo counter too. It also has Tworx-inspired powered rails.

Now to finish retopoing the magazine ughhhh

[whole briar]

Check following:

1. Make sure add leaf bones is unchecked
   2.Make sure the trousers are correctly weight painted
2. Make sure you got it correctly attached to the armature
3. Make sure that sample colliders and memory points are enabled

For me this mostly happened when I transfer weight painted from the sample model correctly but forgot to link my object to the armature or even forgot to reimport the asset with checked hirarchy boxes

[plain galleon]

Good pointers, but sample colliders I dont recall seeing.. maybe using old/other model? Will hopefully get some dedicated time tonight to poke around

[whole briar]

If you open up the sample character template and sort the stuff first with Enfusion tools you will have the colliders in an own group. They might be checked invisible. Just make everything visible and check if the bones are set correct at the trousers and if the colliders are enabled there (kind of a body hull that is turned by 180 degrees to the model). I personally leave it turned like that and turn the object in Enfusion by 180 degrees

[dense shard]

can someone explain to me how am i supposed to create shaders? do that in blender and then somehow export using enfusion tools, or does enfusion workbench allow me to do it?

when I worked in unity i would create shaders from scratch using HLSL or shadergraph, is it the same here?

[sly bridge]

cannot create new shaders (HLSL) for reforger (at least for now)

[dense shard]

How about materials? Should I create them in blender or workbench?

[sly bridge]

materials - workbench

using the existing shaders

[dense shard]

RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 2. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 3. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 7. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 7. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 7. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Face edge is shared by too many faces. Face 8. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 3 - 8 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 3 - 10 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 7 - 11 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 10 - 11 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 7 - 9 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (W): Convex is not closed. Edge 8 - 9 non-manifold. ConvexCollider 'UCX_reflex-sight'
RESOURCES (E): Collider is not valid 'UCX_reflex-sight'

what does this mean?

i put a wrong prefix?

are the prefixes even explained anywhere?

nvm, made it convex and it worked

but still

what do the prefixes mean?

why doesnt wiki explain that in object tools page?

nvm, its in pinned

but still, why is it not on wiki

nvm its in fbx import lol

my brain

[dense shard]

ok, hopefully this one isnt explained somewhere in plain sight and i cant see it

I added armature to my blender reflex sight model to store memory points as bones (adding them as empty points doesnt export anything to workbench (yes, i checked emport empty))

now workbench crashes when i try to import the fbx

what is the correct way to setup memory points and armature for a sight attachment?

do i even need armature?

[whole briar]

@dense shard I did not use any bones for my scope, just empty points. I used 4 of them, all aligned from back to front (Eye, rear lense, com, front lense). Also make sure that your back and front lenses have own models (you can do that by either select one after another and add an own material per lense in blender or select one after each other and seperate them from the model to be their own models and give every lense a seperate material) -> in workbench you need to be able to use the games glasslenses prefabs for front and/ or your rear lense.

furthermore make sure that every object (LOD) has applied location, rotation, scale and set its geometry to origin.

[dense shard]

I have a reflex sight, its not a scope

[whole briar]

and last do not forget to make a small cube collider with UCX_ prefix, otherwise the game will crash when the weapon/ scope drops to the floor when dying or sth like that.

[dense shard]

so im not sure about rear and front lense

[whole briar]

so you need only one seperated material (for your one lense). but it needs to have its own material so you can set the glasslense prefab in workbench while you can set any texture to the rest of the model

[dense shard]

yeah, it has

separate material

and also did the collider thing

thanks for advice

ill try to make it work now

[whole briar]

if that does not work out i would copy your glass (reflex lense) and paste it right behind the first one so it is technically a scope but you won't notice ingame if they are set close to each other (just a guess that this could be a workaround)

[dense shard]

yeah but i suppose then game will use PiP to render it

which hinders performance

i guess thats how the game does it, because thats how i did it in my game in unity (surprisingly I find so many similarities in arma to what i implemented about a year ago myself lol)

camera in place of front-sight and camera image is rendered on the rear sight glass texture

[whole briar]

yeah pretty sure you will need to use PiPsight as a component in your prefabs

but regarding a working model i can only try to help with what i learned from doing my scope

[dense shard]

I cant, thats not how reflex sight works

i need to do it like i would a one-piece iron sight

[whole briar]

can you tell me what you mean by that? can't imagine what you think atm

[dense shard]

reflex sight is basically a piece of glass and if you look through it you see a red dot far in the distance

that acts as your aiming point

it doesnt magnify the image or anything

shame i cant put images here

i showed you in the #screenshots_arma

workshop still crashes for some reason lol

[plain galleon]

another question.. why some pants have colliders, and the BDU doesn't?

[whole briar]

did you use the character_template from samples? It should have a collider

[plain galleon]

yeah, i am just puzzled why BIS have it on some, but not on all..

(and still no champagne here.. static pants :/ )

[frosty leaf]

How do you get the armature bones to import into enfusion. at the moment it's being treated as a memory point and not a bone (also i don't appear to be able to post screen shots)

[cloud rampart]

I have a platecarrier on my mod and every time someone shoot it, the shooter crash and if the IA shoot, all the people of the server crash

any clue of the error?

its done from a PASGT chest piece

[plain galleon]

so when checking an animation, and using our custom pants.. it moves, but once it get picked up ingame, as pants, its still remains static

I think this sorta "proves" that the xob got the bones/weights in order.. but what could be missing then? don't see anything in the prefab beside adding the xob as "worn model" in the baseloadout ?

@tacit eagle solved it.. finally!

[tacit eagle]

@whole briar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsLrsg-qqLM this will help you

shading "smooth groups" (in autoschiet products) are very important in the game ready mesh and even for baking high polies

because I saw that every edge on your pak38 was shaded blue

[whole briar]

oh where did you see that? do you have a screenshot? And thanks for the tut

[tacit eagle]

open it back up and you will see

I check it out on the workshop and it has sharp marks around all the cylindrical objects and on the shield where the optics cutout is

you apply sharp marks only on hard edges so anything over 90 and in some cases less

[whole briar]

Thanks for the feedback! Planned to work on the PaK the next days anyway to inegrate it in tow mod, will try to smoothen it up then. Thank you for your feedback @tacit eagle !

[whole briar]

is it in any way customized or made with blender?

[whole briar]

Make sure your object is correctly weight painted and secondly correctly linked to the armature. Often had problems like static meshes or bones treated as empties because of that

[cloud rampart]

Its full made on blender

[whole briar]

please check if you made a collider and if yes wether it was checked active when exporting

[cloud rampart]

Okay, thats the problems xD

No colliders i think

how can i add it?

[whole briar]

to keep is simple just add a cube that surrounds the vest, do not make it to big. make it as small as possible surrounding the object. Name ist sth like UCX_vest, go to enfusion tools, click sort object, check that everything is activated and export it with checked custom properties box and unchecked Add leaf bones box

that should do the job

[cloud rampart]

Ill try to make it tomorrow, ill send u a message if it works or dont

thanks!

[whole briar]

You're welcome! Hope it works. Stumbled across the same problem when i forgot to make colliders

[tacit eagle]

what is the collider? is that just a collision mesh so that the player and other objects can interaction with it physically ?

[whole briar]

yes that is what it does, as far as i understood the concept of colliders

[ornate coral]

hi yea it looks like at same point the vertex color was made black and i don't know why but thank you for the help

[zenith quartz]

np 🙂

Hmm. My bones just aren't being recognized for bones for some reason.

I have another weapon which works and I genuinely cannot find a difference between them beyond parts.

[whole briar]

armature linked correctly to the object and weight paint or transfer done correctly? It's like always some of these two for me

[zenith quartz]

And I have all my mem points parented and my LOD parts.

Hmmmm.

Lemme mess with the vertex groups actually.

I made them but might've not've painted them.

[whole briar]

if i move my bones in pose mode and they drag nothing with it, it won't be recognized as bones in workbench for me what means i did sth wrong with armature or weight paint in most cases

[zenith quartz]

YES>

that was it

weight painting

[whole briar]

nice man, hope it will work out for you now 🙂

[zenith quartz]

thanks!

[whole briar]

you're welcome 🙂

[zenith quartz]

i parented the bones for the charging handle correctly and bolt but the weight painting isnt working

bones are parented

LODs aren't

do i need to parent the LODs too?

[whole briar]

which kind of weapon is it? still got problems with that

[zenith quartz]

Assault rifle

oh

im dumb

forgot to set up the armature modifier for them

Okay I got it working but now they're giant for some reason lol.

Doesn't appear to be a transformation though.

So... not sure?

[chilly dragon]

try assigning LODs to your root bone?

[zenith quartz]

all except the moving parts are

[whole briar]

yeah you somehow unlinked it from the armature 😄

[zenith quartz]

ah okay yup

I had those parented to LOD objects

parenting them to armature fixed it

thanks again!

[zenith quartz]

How would one go about animating a ironsight folding down?

is it done via armature + anims, procedural anims, or shapekeys?

[last hill]

The ones out currently are via procedural animations initiated via scripting and signals linked to said scripting

[zenith quartz]

Gotcha.

[tidal latch]

can you show pic showing your skeleton in workbench? I wonder if you really have same set of bones as template

and I also hope that you didn't use blender file for making in-game animations for skinning

[plain galleon]

Currently three people involved, one made the model, I do the “prefab” stuff and megadeth normally do weapons but helped us bridge the gap between blender/workbench… so we will double check before release that everything is in order

[frosty leaf]

is someone able to provide advice, i seem to be having trouble with a model when i import it, it seems to have some parts scaled up, i've ensured before exporting to fbx (from blender) that scale, location & rotations are set & custom properties enabled. i've got another model that imported just fine however i've compared the two and don't notice any differences..

[thorny cobalt]

You edit the fbx, add a new quad, and name it something like UBX_MainCol_01
You can check here https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples NewCar and NewProp should both have colliders

[whole briar]

Send me a message with a screen pls maybe I can help

[cloud rampart]

I added the collider, but still crashing

Need any specific type of collider setup?

[whole briar]

did you use the Prefix UCX_ for your collider name?

Did you sort the list with enfusion tools before exporting?

[cloud rampart]

yes

[whole briar]

the collider is way to small

it needs to surround the whole vest

i can also be wrong, cause i did not recognize that this works like uniform moddeling. so if the vest surronding collider does not work, you need to copy the rig into the character template, link it to the armature and delete the charactermodel in the template. that gives you a proper collider, proper skeleton and proper memory points if needed

also if you do that make sure it is correctly weight painted

[half anvil]

I want this object to ragdoll if a car hits it. What should i do?

[cloud rampart]

I have a weight paint using the character sample and them modifying some parts to avoid clipping

idk, its really strange the crash, have uniforms and helmet made like this (Even with no colliders added) and only crash the vest

[whole briar]

does the character sample even have weight paint? Not sure about that, check the vertex groups in weight paint mode wether you got it painted properly or just all in blue

[whole briar]

hm still thinking it must be kind of a collider problem. so ive seen that sometimes stuff works without colliders but most times not, cause there might be an action that causes the crash. for me it was when the gun with the scope was dropped when dying. because of no collider the whole server crashed then

[cloud rampart]

that spine4

one example of the weight

[whole briar]

thw whole belt is not painted. so you can have light blue so not heavy paints but avoid sth to be completly blue

[cloud rampart]

Yeah, cause the belt takes weight from hips and some for legs

Can that cause the crash?

[whole briar]

can't tell you for sure but could be possible. it does not necessarily take it away cause vest and trousers are seperated objects

so you should paint the belt as well as the trousers

different blender and fbx files

[shell hedge]

weighted bones on a traffic cone?

[cloud rampart]

Was the belt, i remove it from the model and imported and all worked, will study how to do it

[whole briar]

well done

i would just try to weight paint it or did you try that?

[cloud rampart]

maybe addind other collision for it

[whole briar]

Imo you need to weight paint everything that belongs to the vest so including the belt and then make a collider that surrounds every mesh that belongs to the vest

the other way is to use the character template collider think one of those two ways will work out

i have a question myself. in blender i seperated different parts of clothing by selecting the parts i need give them a new material and paint it different. Usually that works out for me. this time no matter if i delete all materials or not everytime i make a new material it automatically selects 2 parts of the clothing that do not belong together. i do not even need to select something, just creating a new material selects them both binded. if i seperate one part from the whole clothing it works, but i need to fuse them together before rigging and getting it into workbench. after fusing them together again same problem. anyone got an idea how i can seperate them?

[last thunder]

Not sure if I understand you correctly but cant you just create a second material, select all the geo you want to apply the material to and hit assign in the material settings?

At the start all 4 faces are assigned to material 1. Then I create a second material and apply the selected two faces to mat slot 2.. Now Mat slot 1 automatically just has the right 2 faces assigned while mat slot 2 has the left two faces assigned (in the example shown above)

they are basically removed from mat slot 1 by assigning them to a different material

Oh and just in case, if you seperate the mesh at any point do select "by material" otherwise it will assign mat 1 to it.

[cloud rampart]

Nothing work, finally i try to investigate other mod with plate carriers and all made the solution to add it to the pants...So for now, its the solution

[whole briar]

hey marlo, thanks for checking in. assigning does not work for some reason. like i said if i delete all materials and do not even select something just click add material both of them are automatically selected and same colour. i did not seperate by material but tried it afterwards. and that is how i was able to seperate them. the problem is if i fuse them together afterwards for rigging the same issue comes up again. when they are fused into one object again they are kind of automatically bound to each other no idea why

[whole briar]

all right. thank you for the feedback and sounds good that it works for you now.

[last thunder]

@whole briar but thats how it is intended to be. If the mesh has no material assigned and you create a new one everything will automatically be assigned to that material until you say "this part of the mesh should belong to material slot 2"

If assigning to slot 2 (slot 2 also needs a new material) is not working then I dont know what is wrong with your Blender. :/

[surreal ore]

@cloud rampart what's your face and vert count?

[cloud rampart]

50k aprox with all pouches and details, but thats not the problem

i solved doing it on 2 prefabs and join them with slots like the Alice

[surreal ore]

You shouldn't have a crash from a belt

Also only trimesh colliders can be skinned

And you don't have to organize the collections in blender. You just gotta have everything set up correctly.

[fast notch]

is there a human model from arma reforger in fbx format?

[sly bridge]

yes

[fast notch]

where can I download it?

[surreal ore]

its included in one of the sample files

just look in reforger_samples like 3 post up is a github link

[tacit eagle]

Does anyone need a MT-LB model for modding

[finite quartz]

Does anyone have a nuclear power plant model?

[sly bridge]

do you have such model?

[tacit eagle]

yeah show a screenshot

[tacit eagle]

yes not ready but it will be soon

This is the high poly mesh I havent done the baking yet

it currently sits at 150,000 tris, too much for a game

[sly bridge]

nais model, we @RHS might be interested about it

[tacit eagle]

thanks, is there a triangle count you guys would prefer?

[sly bridge]

70-80k with interior

[tacit eagle]

it doesnt have an interior though I can make one but it will increase the poly count more

[tacit eagle]

okay

did arma support 3d tracks like this or does it have solid tracks

@sly bridge

[sly bridge]

A3 has solid tracks

i have no clue abour reforger, there is no sample

[tacit eagle]

okay nice that will reduce the poly count by almost half, so you want it for arma3?

[sly bridge]

ideally for both A3 and Reforger. Will DM tmrw

[tacit eagle]

okay mate I will be waiting

[last parcel]

made a little flashlight 🔦

[tacit eagle]

i cant see flashlite

only flash 😦

[tacit eagle]

isnt that the soviet flashlight

[last parcel]

nop

very similare though

[tacit eagle]

does it work like bi ones

[last parcel]

yep

fully working even attachable to the uniform

[simple meteor]

Btr on reforger has 170k tris

[tacit eagle]

Oh god

[steel elm]

Pickaxe I made for Everon Life

[tacit eagle]

Im horrified

you are serious right?

[simple meteor]

Yup

You can see tris when you open xob

I don't remember for uaz

But maybe 80k I guess or less

[tacit eagle]

these are very very high numbers but I guess its worth it for the detail

[fathom elbow]

for modern game its not that much

[tacit eagle]

they must have made a lot of LOD's to optimize that

[tacit eagle]

tbh its true, I have been working with mods for games like battlefield 2 so they seem like a lot to me

[simple meteor]

Reforger seems to accepts more poly, when you look at vehicle, houses than a3

[tacit eagle]

war thunder has 300k per tank plus

arma 3 was running on eco mode

well in war thunder tanks are the most important things so its acceptable

[tacit eagle]

I mean almost everything in that game is pretty hi poly not just the vehicles

[thorn topaz]

Consider that they did away with traditional pilot and cargo LOD's, by proxy this means the polycount will be raised. Besides, polygons are the least impactful part of visual 3D as long as you don't have a highly dense mesh.

you'll get more performance impact from the memory hit of very large textures, the draw calls between the cpu and gpu, and of course material complexity, but that can also be mitigated by making better use of the hardware which Arma 3 previously lacked

[tacit eagle]

if your making vehicles stuff like bolts, handles and other small things can just be deleted for lod1 it practically halves the poly count

[tacit eagle]

thanks for the tips guys, I know that material count is very important as well

[last thunder]

170k tris is not high at these days lol

War Thunder tank models have 350k +

[last thunder]

exactly

It doesnt even matter with LODs that much. If you sit in there and 5 vehicles are infront of you and everything else is far auto LODs kick in anyway

War Thunder even has like 3-4 Texture Sets for each vehicle when I remember correctly. 😄

[tidal latch]

I guess even more since you can have decals

[tacit eagle]

@glossy lynx Not sure if your aware, the RHIB is non-functional at the moment. Crashes the world editor if you try to use the prefab. If you place it using GM, the physics don't work. The boat wont stop, goes underwater.

[glossy lynx]

Hmmm I guess I need to take a look at it
Thank you for the heads up

[cloud rampart]

Have again this problems, now i get the clue thar before doing the UV map, it crash

[bright raft]

In the meantime project

[tacit eagle]

Thats really cool mate

[eager topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z5jYfh6mIw&t=2s 🙂

[tacit eagle]

nice F16 landing gear

[tacit eagle]

Hey man, I just wanted to remind you this in case you forgot

[sly bridge]

haven’t, just got swamped, have a work deadline today

[thorny rivet]

Does anybody knows why is this green? I didnt use any green BCRs

Even without any materials its green

[tidal latch]

remove vertex colors in mesh?

[thorny rivet]

I dont know how do that(

[tidal latch]

what 3d software are you using?

[thorny rivet]

Blender

[tidal latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mNk6r_bwxI first result in google 😉

[thorny rivet]

Not my case i think, because i don have any materials on model in blender, enfusion made Default mat

[tidal latch]

vertex colors are not materials

perhaps screen from Blender with vertex color tab would be more helpful in figuring out what is wrong in your model

[thorny rivet]

Yes, there is green by vertex color, but how can i remove it?

[tidal latch]

watch the video

[thorny rivet]

Figure it out

[tacit eagle]

okay mate

[stray swan]

@bright raft sorry for the ping. I'm trying to create a custom sight for a launcher and I need some help with the reticle. I've seen that its an .emat, but its empty.

[leaden trench]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know about Bforartists; it's a Blender fork with hundreds of improvements to the user interface. It's so much more intuitive you can use it without a manual at all, however the manual is also much improved.

https://www.bforartists.de/

[shell hedge]

might make me actually pick up blender at some point

[silver eagle]

hey i was working on a model exported it as an .FBX and imported into enfusion workbench. it became an .XOB

I accidentally deleted the .FBX and can't recover it. Is there no way to reimport the XOB to blender?

[delicate condor]

where did you export it from?

@silver eagle

[silver eagle]

blender

[delicate condor]

did you not save the blender project?

[silver eagle]

nah i forgor💀

i thought xob would easily be re-importable in blender

[delicate condor]

nope

not possible

[silver eagle]

rip

thx tho

[delicate condor]

no rip. ripping is forbidden.

[thorn topaz]

death is not allowed lol

[tacit eagle]

the current UI isnt that bad either

[shell hedge]

compared to 10 years ago when I last opened it it has indeed much improved

[tacit eagle]

yea if it stayed the same like that till today I would have never started learning it

[tacit eagle]

blender is top

bacon if you dont use blender you will hurt me

[last thunder]

Go to Blender and check your autosaves....

[tacit eagle]

in blender if you set your files as xxx_v-1, you can create incremental save files

[cloud rampart]

I've been working a few days on a platecarrier and if I modify the weightpaint (Try to put the sample one and modify some parts) the game crash when a bullet hit the vest

any idea?

Need to change the weightpaint to solve some clipping

[shell hedge]

cinema 4d

@tacit eagle do you have a link to a blender quickstart for people that have 3d modeling experience?

no donuts plz

[tacit eagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzPWpoOqIRg maybe dis

the biggest problem for me from 3ds max to blender was learning how to use the mirror modifier

you use the 3d cursor and change the origin. you can also use other objects origins for mirroring

and learning the correct terminology, since autoschiet products try to push their own like "turbosmooth" "shell" "smoothing groups"

[bright raft]

The material itself is I thing of post process type, and you can set reticle texture in the properties of it, under Reticle Map

[tacit eagle]

I riku

any plans to put a m203 like the one from resistance :3

[bright raft]

There can always ba abomination like this :

[tacit eagle]

wut about m39 ebr it just longer barrel

[shell hedge]

knife with sniper scope

[bright raft]

Planeed as well 😉

[tacit eagle]

crowbar with mortor shell 😮

[dense thunder]

Are there any size limits for mesh?

[shell hedge]

I was playing with this for a bit

[tacit eagle]

@dense thunder no not that ive been able to notice, you can make it as big as the map

nor poly count limit

[dense thunder]

Hmm OK then must be another issue I'm having then, pretty big mesh but low poly count, freezes up workbench creates the txo but no further than that, tried splitting into multiple meshes with same issue

[leaden trench]

lol if we are going to complain about terminology, WTF is a grease pencil? 😆

[tacit eagle]

a grease pencil is what they used to write on crt monitors

[leaden leaf]

Is that a mod the will be available for Xbox some time?

[thorny rivet]

Yes

[leaden leaf]

Thank god man, love you and love that. Keep up the great work. That’s a nod we’ll needed and wanted

[tidal latch]

#enf_mods_feedback

[fluid fern]

Okay thk, sorry

[half anvil]

When I setup a collider like this, the game doesn't see it. Why?

[chilly dragon]

Are you exporting with custom properties checked?

[half anvil]

Where is it?

[chilly dragon]

In the export window.

[half anvil]

It still doesn't show up.

[chilly dragon]

it seems like the collider itself is the problem then. I'd try adding a cube and exporting the whole thing to test if that works

It could maybe be that the collider is too complex? it seems like its much more detailed than it needs to be. Although I dont think this would be causing it to not register in the tools

[half anvil]

It is probably so complex.

[half anvil]

I tried that and worked. The problem is collider itself.

[fathom elbow]

looking good

[tacit eagle]

no but i can give you this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

also I hate modeling the Mi24... god is it asymmetrical mess

[light eagle]

You don't like the offset rotor?

[tacit eagle]

offset rotor?

you mean offset everything

the intakes are even asymmetrical

[tacit eagle]

PAIN

[sly bridge]

@flint vale this isn’t a request channel. want something done, do it on your own

[daring condor]

https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/scanned/various/mi-24v-exterior-raw-3d-scan

If ya want to make things easier, it's 9usd tho

[tacit eagle]

I've already made the template/ base mesh this would be just that but with more errors

[tacit eagle]

but I will say that the pictures are good reference for panel lines

[leaden leaf]

Does anyone have a M16A4 project in the works in which you can add attachments just like the M18/M4A1 mod?

[leaden leaf]

Will this be a item uploaded?

[bright raft]

At some point yes. It's getting slowly simply because I am trying to make correct animations for it

[sly bridge]

why? do you think of making one yourself?

[leaden leaf]

Ah, okay. Sound great can’t wait!

[light eagle]

Getting an Warning when importing mesh. I'm not sure exactly what I need to fix here.
https://i.gyazo.com/f9b319e9c085b56b419aaaaf25f99856.png

https://gyazo.com/061ab2cc7209ce248facc298e8bbf0de

[delicate condor]

uv mapping issue it seems

[light eagle]

I am aware of that. What are exceeding UV coords?

[delicate condor]

on those named parts there

how are they uvmapped?

[light eagle]

The bottom one is the UV set in the attached picture.

Straight from BI

[tacit eagle]

maybe its been separated?

or inverted normal maybe?

or there was diagonal line like on the other side that had one of its sides slided up and welded or just removed

[light eagle]

Not sure. All looks good, just get those warnings.

[delicate condor]

do they have secondary uvsets?

[daring condor]

Based image projection

[light eagle]

Success! There was a 2nd UV set with islands well below my screen edge. Just panned down and found them. Deleted UV set and no more warning.

[tacit eagle]

pawgers

[leaden chasm]

does anyone know if there's any meaningful benefit performance-wise in having texture files for a model merged into an atlas rather than having separate files?

[tacit eagle]

can we even do that? the game rage used a giant atlas texture and apparently it allowed for a good amounts of benefits

[leaden chasm]

to certain degree definitely yes

like single 4k texture instead of 4 2k for example

nothing extreme, but does it make any sense at this level?

[tacit eagle]

faster loading times, higher detail, but this is time where ssd was not really a standard thing, and games were much smaller in size

what are you making anyway

[leaden chasm]

vegetation

[tacit eagle]

try asking in texture makers, they probably have people with a better understanding, honestly I would keep things as standard as possible with the base game to avoid complications.

[fluid fern]

Hi all, if you want, i find an addon to blender for create procedural building https://80.lv/articles/grab-a-free-geometry-nodes-library-for-procedural-buildings-in-blender

I haven't tested it yet

[fathom elbow]

yes, less seperate texture files means less draw calls. And less draw calls (in any game) is technically better, no matter what game. If it has measurable impact depends on 1) use case/ asset type and 2) game engine.

one poorly optimized asset (say 10k vertices, with 40 different textures) wont be very noticeable. But it all adds up. When an entire mod or total conversion is poorly optimized it can have significant effect - and at that point solving the issue is a nightmare (as every model needs to be optimized after the fact).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrYPkSIvpIw

options and methods for instancing/batching in enfusion i dont know, but i'm sure there must be some. Better instancing/batching methods in games have huge impact on the performance.

[thorny cobalt]

afaik enfusion does automatic instancing

A3 also did, I think Enfusion has some special thing for animated objects not sure

[leaden chasm]

thanks

[fathom elbow]

the question is if there is even more advanced stuff for instancing/grouping of different objects together

say object 1 and 2 use different models but the same texture. In theory it should be possible to batch them

it could be even object1 at LOD0 and object2 with same model file, but at LOD1 ... in A3 they wheren't batched together.

[leaden chasm]

that's usually the case for the last lods on trees

different species use same shader and single atlas texture file

[tacit eagle]

Does anyone have tips for making tank models?

yeah dont make everything out of a single mesh #1

high - low poly

@tacit eagle

https://youtu.be/pyOWzpKPDjQ
https://youtu.be/GEpuDY6iMq0

[tacit eagle]

Thanks for advice. It's very helpful.

[daring condor]

Also, you don't have to SubD model everything

[tacit eagle]

SUB D 4 LIFE

[short bear]

T-64 ?

[tacit eagle]

no

yes

[short bear]

🤨

[daring condor]

i use it because i cant be fucked to figure out how to use shader bevels

and really sometimes just a regular bevel is enough

some things are just quicker to model using Bools

[tacit eagle]

good results with Booleans? please everything else are bandaids for bad topology

[daring condor]

for game assets you dont need good topology

only good shading to bake normals

you can waste your time getting things to subdivide properly ooor you can just get a decent model using booleans and things like data transfers and shrinkwrap in shorter amount of time

in the end you dont get bonus points for good high poly topology because the only thing that matters is the low poly

[bright raft]

That could be my motto

[sly bridge]

yes and no. You don’t need good topology for highpoly, although that is recommended especially for all sub/open d. There is no good or bad way to do things, cleaner topolgy helps in the long wrong (uvs, loops etc)

[daring condor]

yes, i am aware

my point is more that you can use every dirty trick in the book when your intent is to bake to LP

[sly bridge]

some people are doing their hp in zbrush (been there done that) for hard surface these days

yeah, end result is what matters

[daring condor]

its not a movie asset that needs to subdivide perfectly

for my low poly i usually take my mid poly and then do a limited dissolve

and triagulate that

[sly bridge]

cgi/vfx assets these days are not all sub-d, there are a lot that are having lods because a lot of cgi has moved over to real time game engine renders

[daring condor]

as ive seen it said by some newspaper

"the mandalorean was powered by fortnite technology"

[sly bridge]

i think everything works for bakes, from floaters to direct texture normal painting to anything inbetween

[sly bridge]

lol

the advantage to subd is that you can. iterate and edit faster if things needs to be improved

[tacit eagle]

how do i fix this shading issue?

[sly bridge]

that if you boolean everything and collapse it and/or zbrush you have less control of you want later on to change it

[sly bridge]

can you show wire?

[tame tundra]

why do you need that on low-poly if you can bake high-poly model with normals?

[tacit eagle]

how else does one do boolean modeling :S

do I need to have good topology?

whats the point if I can do it with more automated processes using sub d

boolean modeling requires so much clean up, im looking for ways to cheat but havent found any

I need to have smooth bevels at the very least 3 sided to have good shading

[sly bridge]

way to many of these very narrow and long tris, these should generally be avoided

ideally create some vertical loops and weld the corners

[sly bridge]

i am aware that there are many blender users that are using addons like hardops + boxcutter and/or meshmachine, which makes boolean workflow a bit easier

same goes for people using fusion and other CAD software for HP creation

[bright raft]

Some prefer subd, some bevel workflow. Both are good, and can be used to achieve pretty much same result

[sly bridge]

best way to do it is to mix and match based on what needs to be done tbh

you can even go double sub-d if/when needed (old school way for max users = 2x tb modifiers)

[tacit eagle]

I feel like moi3d is probably the best for the boolean guys

its similar to a cad program but with much less defining dimensions

cad programs are just so slow to work with, dont know why anyone would choose that over a 3d program

[sly bridge]

fusion is pretty sweet, so is shapr (i have on my ipad)

[daring condor]

I use bevel mods to support my subd

[daring condor]

Depends, blender can handle it well if you know what you're doing. Plasticity is an interesting project

Basically a nurbs modelling software designed for artists

[hidden yarrow]

Fusion was great used it to make my M2HB sucks to get game ready after converting it to blender tho

[leaden trench]

Not sure why people are arguing in favor of bevel workflow... it gets messy real fast, very difficult to maintain good topology... subd all the way. Your models are beautiful equations instead of child-like scrawls.

[lilac cobalt]

is that gonna be a troop transport or attack heli?

[eager hill]

Bevels can be nondestructive. At least in blender you can add a bevel modifier that uses bevel weight or vertex groups

For SubD you need support loops which can be added destructively with edge loops like we used to do it in the past. But they can also be added procedurally with bevels

[delicate condor]

There is no need to argue about that king of workflow details. Everyone does things in the way that fits their thinking.

[willow sage]

Words of wisdom.

[delicate condor]

[willow sage]

Working on a Nest and heavy weapons mount with a front angled protective shield.
This comes to my mind after the X confrontation with BTR, the gunner will be still vulnerable to danger from sides and back.

Will Mk19 be challenging to achieve in game?

[eager hill]

Shouldn't be. You need to add another type of ammo that inherits from some kind of explosive class. At least in theory

[fathom elbow]

depends on your training with it, and also what kind of object. If it has lots of complex boolean operations and curved shapes, then CAD is probably faster than trying to make that HP with mesh based modelling. (e.g. complex flash hider or barrel shroud geometries)
We need a tool that combines both into a good package... with good UI (sorry blender)

[shut bloom]

have you tried Boxcutter ?

[tacit eagle]

for me it makes no sense to use cad because your spending all that time defining dimensions and doing 2d sketches, plus when im doing low poly I just copy and turn off subd and I have a low poly ready for uv with little effort

[fathom elbow]

you dont need to dimension (at least in the... better CAD tools)

and you have to constantly worry about topology when creating HP with normal modelling. In CAD you dont have that problem. So in the right situation CAD is better, in other situations normal modelling is better. Which is why a tool that can do both well is preferable

[fathom elbow]

i said "with good UI" , that excludes blender

[tacit eagle]

good UI is subjective, i think autoschiet has terrible ui

[bright raft]

To be honest , I started my modeling in 3ds Max, it was good but very bulky software imho. Then switched to blender, and I like it so far. In terms of modeling, I can be more efficient in Blender

[daring condor]

Blender ui has a simple lifehack, enabling space-bar search 😅

[bright raft]

Exactly, love that . But I hate pie menus that are pushed with newer versions, and O wish that keybind setup would be better made.

[daring condor]

It's honestly one of the fastest ways you could use it besides shortcuts

Personally I do not mind pie menus

I like using machine tools for switching between edit and object mode

[fathom elbow]

how is max more bulky than blender? Blender can do even more stuff by now...

unless you correlate "bulky" = bigger UI buttons

[bright raft]

By bulky I mean the size and install time compared to blender

[fathom elbow]

how often do you reinstall your modelling software for that to be relevant? xD
And compared to 1 modern game, its peanuts

[tacit eagle]

every update 😦

[fathom elbow]

i install once per OS/system lifetime lol

[bright raft]

Yeah, that's true :d

Nvm, that argument was invalid

[last hill]

In theory beyond making the model it should be actually pretty easy. Change the model, prefab, then set up the type of ammunition it fires to the 40mm already in game, setup velocity, zero the sights up to the model, whack it on the tripod or vehicle mount as a prefab (I believe that is how the M2 is setup, don't quote me). Then wham bam thank you ma'am a MK19 variant.

#intheory

[willow sage]

#intheory

Thanks mate, will see how things will goes.

[cloud rampart]

its there any way of changing the texture of the preview model of a vanilla retexture item?

[willow sage]

Yes, it is.

You need to inherit designated prefab and change its texture in its component.

[willow sage]

It's something wrong with me or firing chamber stay the same in external caliber in both of them?
1 - Length of M2
2 - Length of Mk19
3 - Length of M998

[cloud rampart]

Any clue about this?

The faces are not flipped on blender

some faces get invisible

[delicate condor]

you sure they are not flipped in blender..

[cloud rampart]

Sure

[delicate condor]

is it all 1 object?

[cloud rampart]

yes

[delicate condor]

any mirroring

anything scaled -1?

[cloud rampart]

no mirroring

and the scaled i think no

[delicate condor]

try triangulating it

[cloud rampart]

It worked

my bad

thanks!

[delicate condor]

👍

[tacit eagle]

Found ya 😏

[lusty eagle]

That's what I could masterbate to

[willow sage]

Was trying to bring it in game, but there is a lack of samples for hmg's. I will try to create my own skeleton for it.

[eager hill]

M2 is in the game if i remember correctly. I may be wrong but isn't one of the american vehicles in the game equipped with one? You could open a prefab of it in the editor and see how it is made

And for the mk19 I think you could check how the M203 grenade launcher, that's attached to the M16, is created

there should be some kind of a weapon component

[bright raft]

How long did it take you?

[willow sage]

To be honest, this is a part of ours project that started 2 years ago. We started to create atgm simulator for android, and this is polished version of low poly assets. To be specific +- 12 days, 6- 11h daily for Mk19.
But whole project is still in progress and I stopped counting in the beginning of this year.

[willow sage]

This is what I did, the skeleton for m2 with pintle is kinda... unusual. First thing what I have done is placement of root and rotating bones, w_barrel, w_trigger, w_sight etc. But their rotation is still messed up in terms of vectors.

Without proper skeleton this is kinda pointless, plus we don't know yet if reduced amount of bones will work for this kind of object, like it happens for clothes/equipment skeleton.

[bright raft]

It will work corretly. What I did with M14, I placed my bones in simiiar positions as visible in engine viewer for M21, then just adjust bone pos -> test in-game -> repeat

[willow sage]

This is how mad scientists doing science.

Thanks, will work on it today.

[tidal latch]

M2 is animated via procedural animations so you don't have to replicate 1:1 skeleton on your model

just place bones/helper in places where it make sense

[willow sage]

Helper bones are empty axis ?

[tidal latch]

ye, like barrel_chamber/muzzle

[willow sage]

Should helper points like; barrel_chamber, barrel_muzzle be parented to; w_barrel ?

I'm asking because MWS (rig based on sample weapon) seems to not have them parented, but M2 in enfusion have them as childs?

[tidal latch]

notice that M2 pintle model is a model of M2 with... pintle

pintle is rotating the weapon and without hierarchy (aka parenting) barrel points are not going to rotate

[willow sage]

Ik target get lost after + - 40degrees

[tidal latch]

it seems it tries to rotate the turret

[willow sage]

It is rotating the turret

[tidal latch]

that is the older implementation

with current anim setup, pintle should be limited to +/- 35 degrees

[willow sage]

Is there a component that limits it, or ready prefab that should i use ?

[tidal latch]

did you duplicated m2hb prefab?

turret in current stable is rotated by a/d keys and it shouldn't rotate the base if you are on the horizontal limit as on your video

[willow sage]

Yep interhited, the M2 with pintle.

[willow sage]

Something missing i guess.

Have inherited that Turret "M1025_gun_mount_M2HB.et"

[tidal latch]

disregard my pic, this was taken from 0.9.6 build

[willow sage]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-whoopsies-adam-de-vine-gif-7976025

[tidal latch]

in any case, would you be will to share that mod with me in DM? I would quickly take a look at it

[willow sage]

Sure thing.

[willow sage]

Problem with hands not following the grips was caused by me.
Guided by reyhard, In original prefab binding names was LHandIKTarget and RHandIKTarget and i believed that changing them to names from M2 like v_hand_R_target and v_hand_R_target will be recognizable also. Do not change names in AnimationIKTargetInfo because it will be not recognized by Animation system.

Now hands stays on grips.

[tidal latch]

additional issue lies in M1025_gun_mount_M2HB.et prefab. {8C68C54F9C50A9AF}Prefabs/Vehicles/Wheeled/M998/M1025_gun_mount.et should be used as parent for m1025 mounted weapons

it seems that this prefab was omitted during refactor and probably this issue will be solved in next milestone

[willow sage]

Willco, thanks in any way.

[tidal latch]

actually I also think it that inheriting from M1025_gun_mount (which should be weapon agnostic version of prefab) should be more correct

plan was to have in M1025_gun_mount_M2HB.et only m2hb specific parameters - in this case it would be link to weapon prefab only

[willow sage]

Sighting on mounted weapons isn't working intentionally?

[cloud rampart]

Gettin this error on vanilla asset retexture

  RESOURCES (E): Trying to create RigidBodyComponent on model @"Assets/Characters/Uniforms/Jacket_BDU_M81/Jacket_BDU_M81.xob" without geometry```

[tidal latch]

are you trying to use character mesh as item?

[cloud rampart]

im trying to do a prefab to preview model

im not sure if disable the rigidbodycomponent is enough

[tidal latch]

can you post pics from the Workbench?

[buoyant depot]

Hello, good afternoon, could someone explain to me why in vehicles the chassis is not attached to any bone?

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Car_Creation#Skeleton_.26_hierarchy ?

[tacit eagle]

Can anyone tell me why the armature is imported as a bone? https://imgur.com/a/inhH5Er

[tacit eagle]

is there any tutorials to rigging jets nozzle like this?

[tacit eagle]

probably using a "controller" with empties

so the petals are being controlled by a single empty moving back and forth

I should say the bones for the petals are being moved by the empty

[tacit eagle]

https://youtu.be/dMjie2R93WM?list=PLZpDYt0cyiuvuzHga3apBwSaCD7MTrv8L

[leaden trench]

Is it possible for artist to configure LOD levels? i.e. define when each LOD is shown? If not, is it documented how LOD loading works?

[delicate condor]

artist should not usually micromanage that as its overall scene complexity and what hardware can run that drives the lod changes

optimized models get most consistent results

[fossil crater]

In the prefab's MeshObject component, you can configure the LOD scale and the LOD factors

[fathom bolt]

LOD can be decreased as the model moves away from the viewer or according to other metrics such as object importance, viewpoint-relative speed or position. LOD techniques increase the efficiency of rendering by decreasing the workload on graphics pipeline stages, usually vertex transformations. The reduced visual quality of the model is often unnoticed because of the small effect on object appearance when distant or moving fast.

From Wikipedia

[leaden trench]

Thanks dude, but I know what a LOD is lol. Would be more helpful if you read the question.

[little kayak]

The BIKI contains some info about LOD's in AR and how to manually override them: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Level_Of_Detail#Manual_Override

[leaden trench]

Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for.

[fathom bolt]

« If not, is it documented how LOD loading works? »
That what you said

[shell hedge]

no, you have control over what is inside each LOD level but not distance at which it is active

[light eagle]

With LOD factors you can adjust the distance with which the lods switch based off required detail. It's in the "Manual Override" section of the Level of Detail Wiki.

[shell hedge]

oh, nice

is there a way to translate the factor nonsense into actual distance?

[leaden trench]

depends about FOV, are you looking in 3rd person or 1st person, are you looking in scope/binoculars so distance is not the relevant metric.

[shell hedge]

how does this answer my question?

[leaden trench]

What are you asking for? You want a formula to calculate the size of a 3D object based on it's size in screen space?

[fossil crater]

From previous questions regarding this that he has made, it looks like he wants to make it so that for example the first LOD stays on until you are X meters away

[tacit eagle]

im sure you could just make a grid for the scope reticule and base it off known ranges. say a range scale like on the svd scope

[shell hedge]

I was asking if there is a way to translate the factor values from the sliders into distance

[delicate condor]

No, its still part of the same scene complexity calculation, higher lods are just preferred longer. But distance is not the only factor in that calculation so it can not be set to X meters per lod.

[tacit eagle]

had to redo the tail.

[zenith quartz]

How are you doing those panel lines?

Cutting out parts of an original piece and shrinkwrapping to it to keep the shading intact?

[tacit eagle]

:C no im not a butcher I fix all the problems with good topology

[zenith quartz]

Oh wow.

Sounds tedious but hey it looks nice.

[tacit eagle]

Looks good! what airframe are you modelling?

[willow sage]

Making one that will not be flooded by water, with front shield and various armament.

[last thunder]

Are you guys remodelling the hmmwv / had it already or are you using the enforger one? If yes how did u export it from engine?

[willow sage]

ATM it's impossible to export stuff from Enfusion.
This one is modeled from scratch in blender.

[last thunder]

ah nice, ok cool! thanks for the answer!

[tacit eagle]

can you take off the truck cover on the bi model?

[willow sage]

I'm not sure if you are asking about mine model?

[last hill]

I think he is referring to the base model, whether you can remove the truck frame from the chassis/engine.

[willow sage]

Not yet, the interior is still in early phase.

[last hill]

No no, I mean he was talking about Bohemia's already in-game model, not your model. Thinking there might be a language barrier issue at play here mate, it is all good

[willow sage]

No, I have understood everything.
I said this because I would probably do it for the arma. I am probably going in this direction already because I tried to group elements, so there shouldn't be any problems with breaking them down in any case. Just like in enfusion.

[junior thorn]

Are you the maker of the mk-19 mounted on humvee mod that is currently on the workshop?

[willow sage]

That's correct.

[junior thorn]

I have some bugs on the mod to report to you on the humvee mk19 mod. Where would you like me to post them?

[willow sage]

Yeah, you can PM me with them.

[hidden yarrow]

How did you do the uhhh idk what its called but lets just say fence thing lol in a curved angle?

[tacit eagle]

I give you a hint, w unsubdivied a cylinder

[hidden yarrow]

Uhhhh

[tacit eagle]

set it to a odd number

[hidden yarrow]

But how did you get the pattern to follow the curve?

[tacit eagle]

its already curved

[last thunder]

Just model it on a plane and curve it with a modifier (Blender -> simple deform, Maya and Max also can do this)

@hidden yarrow

[last thunder]

you can basically make every pattern fit into anything and its pretty flexible. In case this is what you want.

and thats the other side

[tacit eagle]

brother I dont know what you did, but its not what I did

[last thunder]

Yeah thats also a way of doing it. You can just copy and paste the cylinder grid in case you want to change something later on

[tacit eagle]

its a advantage to having good topology

[last thunder]

sorry, I dont understand. What has topology to do with all of this?

[tacit eagle]

because its harder to do without

[last thunder]

this is just simple topology. nothing too complicated

[willow sage]

Good topology not always == decent poly count

[willow sage]

In terms of Hi poly modeling its fine what you did there.

In terms of game dev it's not necessary, i would do that with opacity map while texturing.

For me, it's always the same reaction when getting to this point when you need to recreate LODs

[daring condor]

Decimate is dope, saves so much time

I use it set to angle to generate a low poly from a mid poly

Ngons, tris, nothing matters if you have your sharp angles set

[last thunder]

I would argue that opacity is more expensive than geometry. And also I would argue that you would just use the auto LOD feature. It is probably enough.

[zenith quartz]

I wish I could get simplygon to work with Blender.

But I'm not sure if it's any better than just using decimate.

[last thunder]

Well in this case topology does matter and makes your live easier. Good topology is more likely to get correctly decimated than a model with bad topology and even ngons.

doesn't matter what algorithm you use

at some point

but my choice would be the auto lod feature. As long as it provides nice results there is nothing wrong using it imo. It is basically the same thing as using decimate modifiers

[last thunder]

Just to demonstrate what I mean.

second picture shows decimated version

[zenith quartz]

Auto LOD?

That's a thing in Reforger or?

[inner kelp]

Does anyone know if there is a good way to create _NMO-textures in Marmoset 4?

[delicate condor]

can you combine different outputs/channels into new one in it?

[inner kelp]

Yes. You could for an example create a R+G+B+A output texture. But the problem with that setting is that you cant use Normalmap in any of the channels, only Bump as the closest. I have tried to use the Normal-texture in the Bump output. But the end results doesnt really match other nmo:s I have seen.

If you want to export a RGB+A texture, then you can use the normalmap but not in the example mentioned above, and that I find a bit strange.

[delicate condor]

the enfusion textures are very specific for the engine and combine multiple texture types into one for better performance so it may need some work to get them produced right

bump wont work in this use case, you would need 2 channels RG of normalmap and then metalness in B and ambient occlusion in the alpha

[last thunder]

It is a thing in some modern game engines... Unreal Engine also has auto LODs... Nothing to do with Reforger. Its a feature in Enfusion.

[zenith quartz]

Meant Enfusion but how do you access it?

[last thunder]

Your models will automatically decimate on distance (LOD0,1,2,3)

At least I think Enfusion has Auto LODs... let me see in Prefab...

[last thunder]

@zenith quartz Actually I was wrong appearently. I read this couple of weeks ago and thought it means auto LODs.. seems like Enfusion doesn't have this great feature. Aeew...

[zenith quartz]

Ahhh okay.

[delicate condor]

would be pretty cool to have working feature like that

how good is the UE one these days? I suppose good results can be had if model topology is clean

[last thunder]

I have never really seen issues with it. The mainthing is you can throw so many small assets into unreal (for an environment for example) and its so much less work. If you really want to you can add manual LODs to hero assets (or basically tanks, weapons etc in a game like arma reforger) and go with it.

Really wondering why a simple decimate operation is not in there. It is actually far more work than Ive considered (for an own project inside enfusion) kinda dissappointing tbh but okay..

[delicate condor]

perhaps its worth suggesting for future?

[last thunder]

where can I do that ?

sorry, im new to arma modelling

[delicate condor]

mm I recall the feedback tracker has a suggestion box too

BI people read this chat too but in the tracker it should get to correct people and theres a record of it

[last thunder]

I think they either are working on that feature or they don't want it. I don't think they didn't know about it.

[delicate condor]

mayhaps there are more pressing matters to implement first

[light eagle]

The ue lodding system is actually really good. Great control from LOD0 to your billboards. Auto generate works decent for worlds with dynamic lighting. Not so much with assets using light maps. It's LOD dithering feature us great on non foliage assets. Allows for a much more seamless LOD transition without the needs for days of fine tuning.

[tacit eagle]

does arma use billboards? ive only seen it in arma 3 with the M200 intervention where I think cup caused such an issue that every lod past 0 was a billboard

[light eagle]

I have not seen any, but I'm primarily working vehicles. It's really a foliage deal, so maybe worth a check

[tacit eagle]

is that considered a billboard?

[light eagle]

Hard to tell on phone. A billboard is just two simple panes with an image texture of the asset itself. Just meant to resemble its base mesh at a great distance.

[delicate condor]

plants use crossing "billboards" as last lod

most other things not

[delicate condor]

no dont think this is bilboard, just mesh scaled to 0 width?

bilboard generally is as low poly as possible so 2 triangles with texture mapped to it

[tacit eagle]

this is from RHS that ive found, but in my past case it was 2 planes 90 degrees apart

[delicate condor]

I dont think this is intended look, something might be bugging out

since everything else is in high quality

[light eagle]

Generally you wouldn't bother using billboards on such low use assets. It's biggest use case is very large quantities of instanced assets. Ie foliage. It's a tradeoff of memory usage for the savings of 1-200 verts per.

[sour sigil]

Uh ok guys im trying to make some new gear for Reforger. Should I start by making a blender model? Does anyone have any resources or guides they can point me towards, im kind of lost right now

[light eagle]

With the amount of info given it's kinda hard to give a good answer here. Do you know how to 3d model?

[zenith quartz]

Nice.

[fathom bolt]

After a month its possible to make some hand anim for weapon or not ??

[last hill]

River has done a completely custom IK for his M3 MAAWS recoilless launcher so I am assuming somehow yes.

[fathom bolt]

ok interessting

[bright raft]

Todays work:

Turns out I like doing scopes and reddots

[daring condor]

Add more loops

[calm rune]

This will forever be my most hated part of modelling 😡

[daring condor]

Just don't do it then

[calm rune]

but I NEED to

[daring condor]

If it's good enough for AAA it's good enough for you

Can't find the exact source

But somewhere in the final fantasy franchise there's like, a 280mb mesh for a monster

Straight from zbruh

[tacit eagle]

yeah a real monster

[daring condor]

Used in game

Only found out about because some bloke was weirded out by Joe laggy an area of the game was

If the pros don't retopo, why should you?

Think about it

[tacit eagle]

vergy why dont you create a low poly retopo and then subd it with da shirnkwrapz

then you can throw another shrinkwrapy and merge / delete unneeded stuff

[calm rune]

Im still pretty new in the modelling area so my workflow is: Marvelous Designer - zBrush - Retopo high poly - UV low. I still haven't quite figured out all the shortcuts and such.

[tacit eagle]

just trust me on this

you can use normal local with a smooth Proportional editing to adjust the mesh for the shrink wrap, its much easier to work with a mesh that has 200 polys than 600

[calm rune]

Interesting. Will try that.

[calm rune]

280mb added onto my mod just for a pair of unoptimized shorts sounds horrible. I currently have like 9 pieces of clothing in my mod with multiple colors and it is only 109mbs lol.

[daring condor]

I'm not being serious lmao

[calm rune]

It's 2022. Nothing surprises me anymore.

[tacit eagle]

16 sided legs

and you can then reduce it even further

[calm rune]

well f%ck me... that would save me so much time lol

Well i'll continue these as I normally do but them imma try your method with the same model. God damn that works well from the look of it. Ty!

[tacit eagle]

yes its how all those fancy retopy addons work. using basic functions of blender

[minor crystal]

Some stuff ive been working on

[hidden yarrow]

Ayo? Howx you get it to look like that in blender?

Love that look

[daring condor]

Apply AO as a diffuse texture

[tacit eagle]

@hidden yarrow

[hidden yarrow]

Thanks

[tacit eagle]

the 1gen upper need to have a draft angle

@minor crystal

[minor crystal]

render pass ao yeah

[minor crystal]

also wdym

[tacit eagle]

its not flat for the A1 series

this is a1 model

there is also a slight step in the middle

depending on the tooling that was used, I think the step adds to it tho

[minor crystal]

oh that

yeah its not completely flat, just a lil too flat

was too lazy to go back n change it tbh

tbh i just kinda fucked up the upper/lower by not working with subdiv on them, would've corrected the look alot better if i did

[minor crystal]

but at least the scoooop is all nice n done

[leaden chasm]

anyone knows how MatPBRTTreeCrown decides what is "local branch"?

[willow sage]

Nice work, will perfectly fit Reforger era 🙂

@tacit eagle
Where was this step ?

[last thunder]

really looking good @minor crystal

[minor crystal]

thank you^^

i'll probably work on a fal too at some point

[daring condor]

yeh, gun looks dope

personally i can never really be fucked to go that far into detail 😆

(you can always just use the excuse that you introduced some innacuracies so that its easier to see if someone stole it)

[minor crystal]

lmfao

[modern zealot]

Hey,
I am currently building a house for the Enfusion engine. Haven't seen any documentation on objects such as houses. But does anyone know if there is any know measurements?
What would be the normal/min size of a door for the character to pass normally for example. Is there a preferred wall thickness, both outer walls and inner walls?

[calm rune]

Just use real world measurements.

[modern zealot]

Yep, that is what I am currently doing.

[tacit eagle]

hey why do modelers make low poly cylinders with strange sides like 10 - 14 - 18? where you can see vertical or horizontal edges

why not just use evenly divisable sides like 8 - 12 - 16 -24 -32

[shell hedge]

specifically to annoy you

[covert dune]

I don't get that either. I always use even numbers for my cylinders

[delicate condor]

does it really matter?

[tacit eagle]

yes its noticeable and I would like to know the reason behind it

[sly bridge]

while i think most seasoned modelers will keep to standards, there are instances where it depends on the muzzle break number of cuts etc

[minor crystal]

ended up going with some fake names just cause the person who commisioned it doesnt want real company's cause of copyright

[willow sage]

Cannot wait to check it out! How Xm177e2 is going?
Will you release them together?

[minor crystal]

its done but i need to fix the textures on the xm

and yes i will

[willow sage]

Keep me in loop 😄

[minor crystal]

sure thing^^ honestly may dive into both high and lowpoly of the rifle itself to fix some things with it

its tempting, even if its somewhat painful to do it now

[eager hill]

What lighting setup do you use?

[minor crystal]

just some random hdri from hdri heaven under the studio category

i think you may be able to find it if you search for "studio08" or something like that

i think thats what the file was called

[eager hill]

Thanks, I'll check it out

[bright raft]

Hey, nice texturing on the scope the scope, how many UVs and what res are they?

[minor crystal]

the scope is a single UV
the screenshots are taken at 4K however it looks fine and minimal difference in game at 2K

i think it was like 83 pixels/cm or something density at 2k

[daring condor]

Of you are going to jump back into it you might want to do the ejector thing in the carry handle

For visual interest there if nothing else

The entire model is so detailed that that part just looks kinda lacking tbqh

[minor crystal]

yeah its mostly the carry handle i want to adjust and the ejector cover

besides that just adding a bevel on the carry handle on the lowpoly since from your first person pov that'd really help keep visual fidelity

[daring condor]

Love the model btw, what kinda workflow are you doing?

Remesh?

[minor crystal]

most of it except for the upper/lower is subdiv poly modeling

upper/lower is ngon+bevelmod

as for the lowpoly variant

[daring condor]

Good god, I couldn't imagine doing subD on an asset like a gun 😆

Well not full subd

I hate doing good topology

[minor crystal]

in most cases i drop the subdiv mod and bevel mod and then deleted supporting edge loops i dont need

and then bake

[daring condor]

For vehicles it's alright because you don't notice minor issues

[minor crystal]

its great practice honestly

[daring condor]

But guns need to be perfect

[minor crystal]

after getting better n better at doing guns in subd i feel like i can tackle any object i want to

cause of the amount of small detail

[daring condor]

I'd probably go a mix of Boolean subD and remesh

To deal with bad subD

[minor crystal]

that works, remesh tends to give me yucky blobby results

so i stay away from it unless im in zbrush

[daring condor]

Haven't really done a small arm so far

Got enough to do as is

[minor crystal]

very much same

[daring condor]

I hate texturing anything that isn't painted metal

[minor crystal]

i have more stuff i want to / need to make than i can deal with lol

my textures undo all of the confidence i gain from modeling lol. so i can relate to that

[daring condor]

I have no clue how to even approach parkerised metal

[minor crystal]

my topology is far from perfect

but it gets the job done

[daring condor]

Looks good

[minor crystal]

sadly never took an image of the completed pistol

[daring condor]

For A2 studios? Or something else

[minor crystal]

a2 studios? wdym

[minor crystal]

same, i throw stuff together until it looks somewhat okay

[daring condor]

Guys who make the optre mod for Arma 3

[minor crystal]

ohhh

nah, just something i was doing for a halo mod

... in halo not in arma

[daring condor]

Ah

Don't really have much to show from my work

[minor crystal]

heres the complete thing, unsure if i have textured images laying around

[minor crystal]

relatable
i work too slow

[daring condor]

Most recent thing, should probably texture

But I should really redo UVs and bakes

[minor crystal]

this is a neat one i did tho, even if i want to retexture it

[minor crystal]

ooo thats very beat

neat*