reforger_workbench

[quiet marsh]

Anyone figured out how to create a terrain in the world editor?

[turbid mountain]

open some world in world editor and press play or stuff

[gleaming basalt]

ok.

[neon raven]

Any idea if a example other than the current one and docs will be available in the short future?

[hardy marsh]

So I have my model in the workbench, how do I get to the menu to apply textures (I just converted everything). I got to it earlier and have completely forgot

Reposting because I didnt get an answer lmao

[granite wolf]

Any idea of what type of file formats are supported by the world editor? Or what cellsizes we can expect to work with?
Or do we have to wait for the documentation 😄

[strong linden]

Hi guys, I'm glad to have a new ARMA. Let's do some interesting things. Does anyone know if there is a tutorial on model import?

[hardy marsh]

Convert it to an FBX bro

then import it

[vivid quail]

Opening a sample file gives this BACKEND (E): [RestApi] ID:[2] Error Code:401 - Unauthorized, ApiCode: BACKEND (E): Identity authentication failed - Error Code=401 BACKEND (E): Error response: {"url":"/game-identity/api/v1.1/identities/reforger/auth","message":"ErrID: 437b2a93-e079-4b4e-ab8a-afdb65457a61: Authorization failed, check your token."} BACKEND (E): [RestApi] ID:[4] Error Code:401 - Unauthorized, ApiCode: BACKEND (E): Identity authentication failed - Error Code=401 BACKEND (E): Error response: {"url":"/game-identity/api/v1.1/identities/reforger/auth","message":"ErrID: c12d3197-a61c-4666-a717-475fe9d5f0f1: Authorization failed, check your token."} BACKEND (E): [RestApi] ID:[5] Error Code:401 - Unauthorized, ApiCode: BACKEND (E): Identity authentication failed - Error Code=401 BACKEND (E): Error response: {"url":"/game-identity/api/v1.1/identities/reforger/auth","message":"ErrID: eef701f3-cc95-4375-b28a-acbff1e427c6: Authorization failed, check your token."}

[fervent otter]

are models in published mods protected or can anyone open and edit them?

[warped crypt]

Hm but how can I select a placed unit so that I can play it?

[compact zephyr]

I would hope they are protected

[verbal sparrow]

@warped crypt This might be better placed in reforger_discussion, but you can right click a unit and see a "Take Control" option in GM mode.

[warped crypt]

No it is about testing in the workbench

[brave bramble]

Is it possible to export textures?

I wanted to make my own flags using the white flag as a base. 😅

[lofty schooner]

trying to figure that all out as well such as simply spawning a player in

[frosty lotus]

Is it possible to create missions with this or only mod assets?

[brazen plaza]

So does the mod system work the same where everyone has to have to mod, or will the mod reside locally in the mission and pushed to everyone. Know what I mean?

[vapid bramble]

Is there tooling to track memory leaks due to cyclic references?

[tawdry harbor]

Getting an INVALID when attempting to perform g_Game.GetRestApi().GetContext("myurl"), anyone having this issue too?

[brazen plaza]

I see this as creating a bunch of mini games all within the platform.

[reef ferry]

i would say just by dicking 30 mins or so

that you need to apply a emat first

[silver wing]

Anyone figured out how to import models?

[dreamy kestrel]

Any info on when the documentation will be out?

[lofty schooner]

any idea on how to make a new prefab for something such as a spawn point?

[wise axle]

When I run Print("test") where should this be showing up in the workbench ui?

[wise axle]

Dedmen said tomorrow

[dreamy kestrel]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[wise axle]

Np brother.

[still steppe]

Could it be that there is no kind of Eden Editor in reforger or have i missed anything?

[lofty schooner]

mod tools. go to steam, filter tools, install them and launch

[wicked crag]

I'm making progress lmao
https://imgur.com/a/XIXTcxK

[lofty schooner]

aaaaand publish

[wicked crag]

unfortunately it's just a basic model I have no idea how to get into anything else until documents come out

[lofty schooner]

i cant even spawn in and possess a character

[kindred scroll]

There is a github repository with sample mods for vehicles @wicked crag

[wicked crag]

Isn't it privated?

[spark shale]

the blender plugin how do you install it

[kindred scroll]

I can access it

[wicked crag]

I'll check it again now

[lofty schooner]

nope
https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples

[gleaming basalt]

Has someone the issue, that the console run in script editor is doing nothing?

[distant meteor]

Yup

[kindred scroll]

anyone not able to log into their bohemia account through the editor?

[spark shale]

yh its haveing issues. it will work after a fair few tries

[acoustic sage]

what file format are animations?

[oblique mural]

Do you log in with email or nickname?

[jagged pilot]

How did you place the model? Via the Game Master interface?

[wicked crag]

nah Arma Reforger Tool

[white marlin]

How do u get into work bench ? And would you be able to make new guns or models and scopes and sights for these guns ?

[jagged pilot]

Ah, Trying to get something into the gamemaster interface but I can't get it done

[golden quest]

New map editor is no good, much harder to use.

[gleaming basalt]

What do you mean with a try? Click on run or restart workbench?

[brazen plaza]

Seems like as good a time as any to get into scripting. I've avoided it on A3. Is there a good like O'Reilly's ArmA scripting resource?

I should say O'Reilly's - like obv

[gleaming basalt]

in the next few days there will be an new(?) wiki

And i think there will be a nice tutorial etc.

[brazen plaza]

Ok cool yea I checked the GitHub and it led me to the bia wiki which just had a list of features lol

It's like C right?

[gleaming basalt]

Its a own OOP Language

i dont know C

[brazen plaza]

At least it's OOP

[gleaming basalt]

But it looks nice at the first look

[brazen plaza]

I dunno C either

[bronze junco]

has oxygen been completely removed

[brazen plaza]

Python and bash

Mostly

Some Ruby I guess but I'd rather not

[wheat cloud]

It’s not really a scenario editor like 3den if that’s what you’re trying to do

[gleaming basalt]

its more complex currently

but lets wait for the official documentary of it

and i think it will be easy to use

[stark knot]

All I want are API calls

[gleaming basalt]

Yes

[proven lion]

Anybody have some info for World Editor im kinda lost.

[gleaming basalt]

But i saw there is a REST controller something

wait

[gleaming basalt]

here

i think you can use http apis

it would be awesome

[stark knot]

And I can

Cool

Found it

[gleaming basalt]

then i can finally use a nice REST api

And not extdb3 Shit

Sorry.

[shut nimbus]

Yes but it seems the context seems to be INVALID thus rest apis are not working

[torn kayak]

How did you get it working? What does your code look like?

[pallid mortar]

i love you

[gleaming basalt]

do you mean me?

[torn kayak]

Yes the rest api

[gleaming basalt]

i only saw it in the message from ayano

My console is broken atm

and i dont know why

[pallid mortar]

what do you do with that rest api? is it to talk to a database you can store info?

[gleaming basalt]

A Rest api is an external api

[pallid mortar]

steam is ded for tuesday maint

[gleaming basalt]

so you can build your database stuff in a "real" programming language for example php, java oder typescript and communicate with that over HTTP

[pallid mortar]

ok, is that what those guys did for those big servers where they stored everyone's progress

[gleaming basalt]

In ArmA 3?

[pallid mortar]

ya

[gleaming basalt]

the most of them use server side extdb3

[pallid mortar]

dont even know what that is, im so green 😄

[woeful wagon]

Arma 3 supported DLL calls

[gleaming basalt]

my last information is, that https calls in arma 3 arent very performant

[slate thunder]

hey guys, where do i find the regorger workbench?

[remote cobalt]

Hey guys, I currently don't own the game but trying to point someone in the right direction who does. Does the workbench download with the game or can it be acquired from else where?

[gleaming basalt]

download it from steam

[pallid mortar]

CAMOU it's in your library

[woeful wagon]

They are performant (dll calls are), but also they are blocking, and databases are not performant|
Nobody used https for databases in Arma 2/3

[slate thunder]

oh gotcha

so its Arma Reforger Tools i suppose?

[gleaming basalt]

yes

[pallid mortar]

anyone find a tutorial to walk me through this stuff like im 5 uet?

[gleaming basalt]

Databases are fast af if you know what you do

[languid tinsel]

ppl used to use extdb3 to communicate with their mysql database, where all the Players info is saved. With an external API you no longer need to use extdb or similar tools to do that. Furthermore it advances the possibilities to communicate to the Server and process Data. @pallid mortar

[pallid mortar]

i used a LEFT JOIN today, proud of my profound database knowledge

[proven lion]

Anybody know how to use Terrain tools?

[gleaming basalt]

[slate thunder]

im screwed the docs are not working

[pallid mortar]

thank you so much

[gleaming basalt]

And whats the difference between a LEFT and a RIGHT join?

Or a INNER join?

[languid tinsel]

magic

[woeful wagon]

It doesn't matter how fast they are, even establishing connection part is slow if we're talking about operations blocking main thread. Async queries made situation better tho

[compact zephyr]

I've seen people talk about samples for Reforger, where are they?

[pallid mortar]

my understanding is the left or right chooses which table you want to keep all info and the opposite will be NULL if there's no match

[gleaming basalt]

But then it isnt the database

then its the calling from the module etc.

[languid tinsel]

https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples

[pallid mortar]

https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples

damn beat me to it

[languid tinsel]

first

[compact zephyr]

Thank you!

[slate thunder]

is there a tutorial for modding yet?

[woeful wagon]

🤦‍♂️

[pallid mortar]

i need to find someone to hold my hand through making missions from scratch

[woeful wagon]

Get some stats on fastest queries performance from one of your DBs

[slate thunder]

who is working on Altis Life 😄

for reforger

[languid tinsel]

everybody?

[slate thunder]

hm ok makes sense

[languid tinsel]

first gotta learn enforce tho 😌

+wait for the docs

[gleaming basalt]

Yes - thats is currently, i think, the biggest issue

[pallid mortar]

very excited for documentation

[heady mauve]

Is the workbench just available in some countries? When I click the link it takes me to the steam store main page.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1874910/

[pallid mortar]

this is all so cool and unexpected

[gleaming basalt]

No

[pallid mortar]

it shows up in your library ARM

[gleaming basalt]

Link not working

[slate thunder]

do you want to do it together

[steady ivy]

Playing with the Workbench right now, and god damn do I love the World Creator tool... feels like I'm working in a competent engine lol

[woeful wagon]

Nobody is going to wait for docs lol

[gleaming basalt]

that's unusual for arma, isn't it?

[woeful wagon]

Just dive right into it, like in DayZ times

[steady ivy]

It sure is.

[pallid mortar]

im just too stupid to get all this without docs

[grave elm]

Hello. There is a no pinned messages. I expected to find links to guides.

[gleaming basalt]

you find it

[steady ivy]

UI feels a bit familiar to Unreal Engine, for those that've worked with it. I'm just kinda fucking around and playing around and seeing what I break.

[gleaming basalt]

there arent currently guides

[slate thunder]

there is no guides

good luck

[gleaming basalt]

in the next days there will be published some docs i think

[grave elm]

😵‍💫

[pallid mortar]

i think ded said it earlier "the wiki people will be sweating"

wiki not live yet https://wiki.reforger.armaplatform.com/

[slate thunder]

anyone know if you can upload custom 3d models

[pallid mortar]

yes camou, someone made a childs toy above

[slate thunder]

epic

what starting city do you prefer for rp i think StPierre is best tbh

[gleaming basalt]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_Reforger

there is some wiki

but not all

[pallid mortar]

man i spent so much time in st pierre back in OFP

[slate thunder]

haha

[pallid mortar]

long before this was called arma

[heady mauve]

Where do we get the download then?

[slate thunder]

it looks best so far tbh

[gleaming basalt]

buy the game

go to steam

go to library

download "Arma reforger Tools"

Start Arma reforger tools

[pallid mortar]

it might be hidden in your library

lots of people only show just games or only whats already installed

[gleaming basalt]

oh

[pallid mortar]

you gotta show those

[gleaming basalt]

yes

[pallid mortar]

it should be there

[gleaming basalt]

you must activate software

[verbal tundra]

So, the engine is built on C/C++ but it'll have its own language?

[gleaming basalt]

yes

[verbal tundra]

Alright, hopefully it'll be pretty similar to C.

[gleaming basalt]

Please not

C isn't OOP, or?

[pallid mortar]

didnt they say the stuff you could do it mostly in C#

[stark knot]

It uses C guys

[distant meteor]

It is depending on your definition

[pallid mortar]

has anyone made a mickey mouse mp mission from scratch? wanna give us a video tour?>

[gleaming basalt]

Normal OOP?

Without external libs

[verbal tundra]

That's what I saw in the mod examples. But, people were saying it has its own language.

[distant meteor]

Then no lol

[pallid mortar]

i dont really understand how to use the examples or how the structure works, i need someone who figured it out

[gleaming basalt]

What are the programming languages used in Enfusion?

Enfusion is programmed in C++ and uses HSLS shaders for rendering. The core of the engine is extended by a high-level scripting language called Enforce, which is a standard OOP scripting language with very familiar syntax. Enforce is much more flexible than SQF in Real Virtuality engine.

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/faq

[pallid mortar]

my brain is not as spongey as you young folk

oh cool sergej

[distant meteor]

Enforce is OOP

[gleaming basalt]

Yes

[gleaming basalt]

Well...

[distant meteor]

I thought you were trying to say that it wasn't by asking about C lol

[gleaming basalt]

Currently with no documentation nobody knows really what hes doing

[pallid mortar]

but some people have managed to do little bitty things

[gleaming basalt]

all try'n'fail

[shut nimbus]

it is typed so you can find a lot of stuff out. Also documentation somewhat exists if you got to the game lib files etc in the tools

[gleaming basalt]

Just click on some buttons

[distant meteor]

"Press buttons until it does somethin"..."You just crashed it"..."Ok now you broke it"..

[gleaming basalt]

Yeeeah - sounds right

[verbal tundra]

why didnt i think of that

[shut nimbus]

just beware if you do something that is broken it crashes it. 😄 So the workflow is not super fun right now to try stuff out. 😄

[gleaming basalt]

yes

but its funny

[valid reef]

I'm just confused how are we going to find mods outside of the game?

[gleaming basalt]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Startup_Parameters#addons

i think with addons parameter

[pallid mortar]

SERGEJ, i nominate you to make a tutorial for idiots like me 🙂 gogo

i'll buy you a pizza on uber eats

[gleaming basalt]

Here in shit germany we dont have uber eats

[valid reef]

I can't think of a successful game that has a vibrant modding community that does not have an external modding distribution system

[gleaming basalt]

only in big cities like Berlin, Fankfurt etc.

[languid tinsel]

@gleaming basalt in Berlin we do

[pallid mortar]

oof, i spent some time there, near frankfurt

[shut nimbus]

Yes in berlin I can order food at 6 am .. 😄

[gleaming basalt]

But i wait until documentation is there an if i have time eventually i make some youtube videos / blog entries about scripting

[distant meteor]

Not sure why they'd need one with it being built into the game. The only reason for using Steam Workshop is it was the only option lol

[pallid mortar]

I patiently await 🙂 haha

[valid reef]

You can get mods for Fallout 4 within the game too. Yet everyone uses Nexusmods

[steady ivy]

So most I've been able to figure out is how to edit objects on the Everon map, but the Terrain tool itself appears to be grayed out... don't know if its locked for the file, or if that means the Terrain tools aren't fully available yet?

[gleaming basalt]

currently i have here 2 restaurants here. If i order i have a minimum order value of 55€ + delivery fee of 5€

[gusty loom]

How do you use a mod map with gamemaster

[distant meteor]

Because the Fallout 4 (and Skyrim) implementation sucks and was 100% made for consoles. The one currently present looks much better.

[valid reef]

I still need to see that...

but still, I would like to have the comfort of browsing new mods from the comfort of my web browser

[craggy nymph]

any of workbench not in read only ?

[gusty loom]

How would you use a mod map and apply game master to it

[languid tinsel]

I still believe that primarily server developers will still use private repositories for their Mods since not everybody wants their Mod uploaded to the Workshop

[left river]

Whenever I launch the Reforger tools, it starts to open up, but is unresponsive, it crashes after 15-20 seconds. And my GPU usage spikes

[gleaming basalt]

It will be interesting how general the management of server side scripts will be.

[left river]

to 100%. any ideas for fix. ive tried deleting all files

[gleaming basalt]

and most importantly whether it is compatible with git 😄

[sage hearth]

is there enough documentation yet for someone with next to no experience modding to get started?

[pallid mortar]

the problems with arma 3 was all the good scripters locked their scripts behind servers and refused to share any knowledge

[valid reef]

Back in arma 2 that was solved by using a number of different tools

server admins could choose between which tool to use for their community

[pallid mortar]

so arma 2 and 3 were just CTI, coop domination and a couple wasteland modes which hid all of their scripting techniques nobody could make something similar, improve or modify in any way

because those servers brought in cash

[gleaming basalt]

i mean i can understand it

[pallid mortar]

the game that thrived on community modding got crushed in multiplayer by locking away all the knowledge figured out by scripters

[gleaming basalt]

I also don't completely release my code to others

[pallid mortar]

almost no real PVP in arma 3

[mild jasper]

Anyone had any luck getting the sample plug in to work

[gleaming basalt]

Whats about KOTH?

[pallid mortar]

it's a superficial mode for normies who play casually

[sage hearth]

least judgmental arma player

[pallid mortar]

the environment of OFP was heavy PVP, ladders on teamwarfare CTF

there's nothing wrong with normies who play casually

but it's lowest common denominator stuff, not a great showcase of what it's capable of

[distant meteor]

People could make something similar it's just hard to get people to switch. Eg. I made a Wasteland replacement a while back but had no way of showing it off so I ended up getting rid of it lol

[sage hearth]

the only milsim pvp I found was friday night fight

[pallid mortar]

i wish i had your skills

[valid reef]

Open servers yes. If you want play organized missions with a briefing, objectives and an ending you need to join a community or unit. Each community will have their own way doing missions.

[distant meteor]

No, not all good scripters did so. A few (compared to the many) did.

[valid reef]

This was the case in OFP, Arma1,2,3

[cloud sigil]

am i being dumb or is the enfusion workbench just not available yet?

[pallid mortar]

yes but without needing 40m to organize on a runway

[leaden hedge]

The claim that people are locking away their scripts is a bit preposterous. These scripts have to run code clientside - you can go into your files and just look at them.

[pallid mortar]

no

[slate thunder]

its in your steam library

the engine seems to crash quite often xd

[sage hearth]

called reforger tools, not workshop

[valid reef]

Depends on the group. The way I play with mine we usually limit ourselves to a 15 minute briefing and our kit is already made by the mission maker so we don't need to play barbie in the arsenal

[distant meteor]

Sorta, you can obfuscate the mission files and such to make it more difficult to access. Not to mention all the server-side scripts required to make it actually function.

[leaden hedge]

Oh, right, the samatra wasteland missions are binarized.

[silver wing]

how do you actually import the model into the game

[cloud sigil]

ty

[silver wing]

Not workbench

[gleaming basalt]

i think export it somehow as a mod

[pallid mortar]

samatra destroyed wasteland's longevity

money must have dried up

[languid tinsel]

does somebody know how to teleport in the world editor?

[gleaming basalt]

Select on the left side a object and press f

If you have no items then i dont know

[proud tree]

cant wait for koth dude

[languid tinsel]

well

[gleaming basalt]

👀

Will see what the future brings

[languid tinsel]

thanks bro

[craggy nymph]

I imagine there’s no real workbench documentation is there ?

[languid tinsel]

soon™

[drowsy geyser]

So what is the process for forward porting terrains?

Or is there one

[hardy marsh]

yeah I worked it out, dw bro

[left river]

anyone know how to load into the main menu. when I open a workbench project it loads into object viewer which crashes the program :/

[shut nimbus]

You have to load the world

[gleaming basalt]

Where can i create a new script to play around?

[languid tinsel]

create a project, right click on the file browser

[steady ivy]

Messed with the river and lake splines with the vector tool.

Figured road splines would be adjusted the same way... dammit I should just wait for some tuts.

[gusty loom]

How do you make a terrain then use it with game master

[steady ivy]

Nobody really knows until they release documentation.

[gleaming basalt]

and then? Can i somehow compile it or something like that? i can do nothing with this script atm

[languid tinsel]

F5? thb I just did it in DayZ back then

[latent vale]

@turbid mountain workbench single threaded, sitting at 2 trillion cycles in the world editor
https://i.imgur.com/0OMciJ5.png

[gleaming basalt]

F5 is continue if you debug something

[left river]

how would i do that...

[shut nimbus]

double click it.

[left river]

i somehow fucked up my installation of workbench. i have completely uninstalled and reinstalled. every time i open it starts to load then freezes up and then my GPU usage spikes and then it closes.

[gleaming basalt]

thats sounds healthy

but reinstall is a good idea

[left river]

i did, it opens my project to looking at a crate, i cant click on anything, then it crashes.

[gleaming basalt]

Error?

[languid tinsel]

maybe delete settings? Don't know where or if they are stored somewhere

[left river]

does it output to a log?

i tried to search for a logs file codlnt fine

https://imgur.com/a/ku8xc1c

[gleaming basalt]

C:\Users\XX\Documents\My Games\ArmaReforger\profile\*.log

but this log is also not productive

[left river]

`Program: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma Reforger Tools\Workbench\ArmaReforgerWorkbench.exe
Reason: Access violation. Illegal read by 0x7ff8206e1692 at 0x28

[NVENCODEAPI_Thunk]: ??? addr:0x7ff8206e1692
[D3D12GetInterface]: ??? addr:0x7ff83005e089
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f20c2723
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f20bff50
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f1efe7e7
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f240ed15
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f2410cfd
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f2410f86
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f2516501
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f2511390
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f1f9e80a
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f1f9f5ab
[zlibVersion]: ??? addr:0x7ff7f1e77ac6
[BaseThreadInitThunk]: ??? addr:0x7ff8823654e0
[RtlUserThreadStart]: ??? addr:0x7ff882c0485b
[RtlUserThreadStart]: ??? addr:0x7ff882c0485b

(Press Retry to debug the application - debugger must be attached)

Workbench mode
`

hmm

[gleaming basalt]

RAM error

[languid tinsel]

yep

[mild path]

try running it as administrator perhaps?

[sharp prawn]

Anyone found a sort of Eden style map view for World Editor? Rather than purely in-world perspective

[mild path]

personally i always run stuff straight from the desktop and not through steam

it just screws it up

[left river]

ill run it thru desktop as admin, ty

[chilly fern]

Saving a world seems to crash it to desktop. Is there a log file somewhere?

[left river]

yea that still hasn't done anything. It does use a lot of RAM, but when I launched it and did nothing, after about 20 secs GPU usage went to 100% for a second and then it closed, wacky

[chilly fern]

Yeah ok, thank you. When placing a TerrainEntity there is a generic option to make new terrain but it says it needs a "Saved World"

[left river]

try here..

[neon raven]

Have you read some docs or something? I don't know where to start?

[gleaming basalt]

there is no docs atm

[chilly fern]

I've been fiddling around on my own

[neon raven]

Is there currently a way to create a "simple" PvP op with one objective in the midle? Simple capture it, one life

I guess the official mod is my friend in this right?

[chilly fern]

"Cannot create new terrain as the world is not saved (terrain uses additional data which are in world directory)"

[slate thunder]

has someone found out how to copy the Eden world with it's terrain already

[chilly fern]

Oh, ok, you can't save it in a locked folder. Saving a "World" in the profile folder works and I can see the Terrain Tool

[echo rain]

Where does the output of a compiled script go so i can test it?

[gleaming basalt]

log?

oh

wait

misunderstood the question

[left river]

So do you know how to open a blank project

Like without opening into a view

I think that might be my problem

[cerulean spruce]

I'm off to a great start... where do I find the workbench?

[fleet vault]

anyone know why i cant download the workbench?

[neon raven]

Steam -> Library -> Tools

[fleet vault]

ahh

[cerulean spruce]

Oh I looked there... LEt me try again

[fleet vault]

i cant find it in tools

[left river]

its "Arma Reforger Tools"

[cerulean spruce]

ditto

[fleet vault]

alright i found that one thanks

[left river]

and you have to have installed Arma Reforger to be able to open or create a new project

[cerulean spruce]

I'm an idiot. I only had installed tools showing

TY for the help

[fleet vault]

also is that reforger server a dedicated server

[neon raven]

Well, both? Same thing. Not sure how to configure it though

[gleaming basalt]

So I'm going to sleep. already have 3 o'clock in the morning. Good night all. Feel free to tag me when the documentation comes online.

[wheat cloud]

Is workbench dependant on reforger?

I was hoping to poke around while the game installed, but cant seem to open the samples

[left river]

it is

[wheat cloud]

i cri

[twin tapir]

So after messing with the workbench for a while, world editing specifically, is it safe to assume that the terrain creation tools are still unavailable?

I can't find anything that would actually allow me to create/edit terrains

[fresh thunder]

Do we have any documention on how materials are expected to be approached? Im seeing NMO which I assume is a weird looking normal, and _MASK files which seems to be a smdi replacement?

[violet field]

hej folk, i know it sound weird but, i have the world editor open, but i can't move the camera 😦

[gleaming basalt]

Right click + scroll i think

[slate thunder]

wait a minute, that sound weird @violet field

[violet field]

this works, but the WASD doesn't

i'm just stuck

[violet field]

yeaa

it's just of the side from the map

and i can't move it

i think i forget something

but i'm not sure what

[gleaming basalt]

You can Change the Sens of your camera movement with rightclick + scroll

I think your at 0x

[violet field]

no but i mean in the workbench

not in-game

[gleaming basalt]

Yes

In Workbench

[violet field]

nop, nothing

what am i doing wrong ? xD

[gleaming basalt]

https://i.imgur.com/TeQCWfd.png

what is your value at camera speed?

[cerulean spruce]

So, porting existing missions is going to be a full rewrite, huh?

[gleaming basalt]

Yes

[neon raven]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_Reforger/Modding/Guidelines/Scripting something useful?

[cerulean spruce]

Yeah, what I thought. Don't know if I have it in me TBH

[violet field]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967126281160380446/976293068640776263/unknown.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967126281160380446/976293464692097034/unknown.png?width=1317&height=676

and this is my view

and can't move

just zoom

[gleaming basalt]

select left the airfield and press f

[slate thunder]

no

the terrain editor is already built in

[gleaming basalt]

*left on sidebar

[violet field]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967126281160380446/976293740304011274/unknown.png?width=1286&height=676

really weird

[slate thunder]

you need to right-click a fresh GenericTerrainEntity -> Create Terrain

[violet field]

moved the camera

but still unable to move...

jesus 😢

[gleaming basalt]

how about restart?

[violet field]

i restartet benchmark

i try restarting PC

hope that fix works like old times... xD

[cerulean apex]

Has anyone been able to get the script debugger working? If I launch the game with "Debug Client" checked, the game freezes on startup. If I uncheck it will load, but it seems to never connect, but if it does, I don't get any breakpoints.

[gleaming basalt]

You can launch the game?!

[twin tapir]

I see, so then I need to start on an empty world? how do I load that?

Nevermind, dumb question

[violet field]

still unable to move

[willow wraith]

I haven't been able to figure it out either. Only way I can get my shit to run is to just launch the game, go to Workshop -> Downloaded and check my project.

[cerulean apex]

Yep

[gleaming basalt]

thats kind of funny

[willow wraith]

Docs cannot come soon enough 😅

[gleaming basalt]

Sorry, but i dont have any ideas more

[twin tapir]

Follow up question, how does the ground manipulation tool work? Or generally how do you modify terrain geography?

[violet field]

thanks dude u helped a lot!. that's more than enought

[meager summit]

I've imported a chair how can I add it to the prop list in the game master mode?

[neon raven]

I guess you need to start a server with the mod in the mod list?

[meager summit]

yeah but I can't seem to configure the xob as a placeable object

[hallow bridge]

So with the workbench, The BTR is read only. Can I copy it to freely edit something on it?

[neon raven]

Oh I see, my bad, didn't understand your question corectly.

[violet field]

am i right to move the camera on the World Editor (Workbench) with WASD? or are they other compination?

[hexed pewter]

world editor loves to crash on importing height maps 😦 lol

[wicked crag]

Anyone know how to get a character to spawn in a scene? I've been trying the scripts however I can't get them to work

[valid reef]

Anyone else having issues logging in the workbench?

getting a error 400

I need to login to bundle a mod and test it?

[worn eagle]

dose anyone know where the documentation is for the engine i try going to the devhub on the website but it keeps coming up with error and i cant find it anywhere else

[shut nimbus]

There is some documentation when you explore the dev tools

[daring laurel]

Whats the current stance on other IPs being worked on/modded into reforger? Is it the same as arma3?

[harsh walrus]

for testing just test it within workbench

[harsh walrus]

wiki is down currently, probably wait a little while

they have one but it's not published

[little crane]

^^ (Sperg) he's referring to IP's such as Warhammer 40k, Star wars, Command and conquer, starship troopers etc.

[leaden hedge]

How does one do this?

Still feeling my way around the software.

[harsh walrus]

What are you trying to test exactly?

[daring laurel]

ya, if i model, sound design, and texture a random item from insert ip here is it correct to assume that im.fine to put it into reforger?

[harsh walrus]

model?

[leaden hedge]

My bad - it's a firearm reskin and reconfig.

I need to figure out if it's actually functional in-game

But same issue - can't bundle

[harsh walrus]

Open up world editor, select a scenario /world (do the tutorial is easiest I think) then hit play button

you can load into 'game mode' and basically be ingame

and even edit models and such whjile you're in there

so as you edit it updates instantly ingame

its really cool

[leaden hedge]

That makes perfect sense. What a great tool BI has made

Thanks for the help, man

[harsh walrus]

Some screenshots from when i was messing around

https://gyazo.com/fad557ece0af001f4bcb289851c2289a

https://gyazo.com/889524d1f49a282bd9ab79298c79c404

just change material and it instantly updates in the game it's cool

[leaden hedge]

A lot more integrated than I expected it to be, this workbench!

Texturing has already been a breeze

[twin dawn]

The polish on this tool seems so high

[next glade]

anyone figure out how to make a mission on workbench?

[harsh walrus]

It's not really a 'mission'

basically

create a scenario that's a sub-whatever the word is of the main map ("e.g. Eden")

So it's a lot different to how it used to be but it makes sense, basically you're just working more directly with the engine

it does give you a lot more power too

[next glade]

i know, thats why im trying to figure out how to do because i want to start making missions in reforger

i know its gonna be different

[brazen plaza]

I can't d/l the workbench. I click on the d/l link on the website. Takes me to steam, but no app. I tried using appID no luck

[next glade]

do you own it on steam?

[neon raven]

Go to Steam -> Library -> Tools -> Reforger Tools

Of you own reforger

[next glade]

i dont know how to get the world to load into my project

[brazen plaza]

GOT IT! Thanks!@

[fathom pawn]

That's what I'm scared of with BI moving away from Steam Workshop and doing their own thing. No more Star Wars mods or anything really cool like that. Hell, with Avatar 2 coming around and the possiblities of this engine... Damn. Would've been cool.

[harsh walrus]

quick launch "world editor"

file -> load world

ArmaReforger -> Worlds -> SP -> Tutorial

then to get your camera where the player is is a bit of work but in the "hierarchy" tab on the left just scroll to where it says "tutorial" and doubleclick "Ammobox" and you should roughly be there

[mild path]

If you want the base map you have to load the 'Eden' world, select some object from the Hierarchy and then press F to focus it, and get teleported to the land, by default the camera focuses on 0,0,0, which is out in the ocean.

[harsh walrus]

^

[neon raven]

Wonderfull info, thank you!

[wicked crag]

Please tell me you know how to create a spawn point lmao

[neon raven]

Is there a way to make number of slots and no respawn? You know, the old PvP 1 life way

[next glade]

cool

[mild path]

its inside the resource viewer at the bottom of the world editor

[wicked crag]

been doing trial and error for the past 1-2 hours

[mild path]

everything is contained within it

[harsh walrus]

just open up tutorial and look how they create a spawnpoint, then copy their code

well

their resource

should I say

it's just a resource in the resource viewer

[mild path]

objects, vehicles, units, groups, triggers, task things, etc

[harsh walrus]

down the bottom of "hierarchy" there is a tab menu, switch to "create"

[opal ingot]

I am praying they allow us to upload to PC workshop independant of console

[wicked crag]

I have been however I'm missing something

[harsh walrus]

then you can search and create one

[wicked crag]

I've been using PlayerSpawnpoint

[mild path]

you'll want to create a custom 'layer' for any of your objects though

otherwise your stuff gets mixed in with the pre-existing crap on the map

[fathom pawn]

Maybe they'll allow "manual" modding like how the A3 launcher lets you import stuff from, say, Armaholic.

[wicked crag]

however I know there's more to just that spawnpoint

[next glade]

you think this will let us edit the terrain itself now?

[icy stone]

I cant dude

[next glade]

like if i wanted to flatten out an area for a FOB

[icy stone]

Playing Reforger on console felt so good

Even tho my eyes wanted to die when i saw the rain

[opal ingot]

An unclean way of doing it, but possibly. Showrunner had the same problem and they just let you individually upload to consoles, so a non IP branded car for example can be uploaded to console but still branded on pc

[fathom pawn]

Yeah.... We'll have to wait and see. The way Bohemia is acting though... It's all very genuine and in a "Okay well we're gonna go work on A4 now... Here ya go!" and they left us with freaking power tools and infinite resources to make something. They seem very "for the players" in mentality.

[distant meteor]

In the workbench you can specify a build (Workbench, PC, XBOX, PS4, All) so I assume that will be possible.

[fathom pawn]

That's good. I could see BI letting it happen as a kind of hat tip to Armaholic or other creators who don't use Steam Workshop for various reasons.

[opal ingot]

Fantastic.

[hexed pewter]

got a terrain in.. wheey. but now it has no collision lol

[opal ingot]

Height map?

[hexed pewter]

yeah imported height map.

[opal ingot]

Nice.

[unborn stirrup]

anyone got the escape gamemode working yet?

[covert rapids]

how'd you get it to import

[twin knot]

you need to right-click a fresh GenericTerrainEntity -> Create Terrain

[covert rapids]

yo

ty

[lilac niche]

could player made campaigns be created in wb?

[hexed pewter]

just added generic terrain then right click it and at bottom of its menu ther is an add terrain option. click that then terrain icon in top bar .

[covert rapids]

crashes on creation

[opal ingot]

Might be your heightmaps size/resolution?

[hexed pewter]

mess with the settings till it stops crashing. mine crashed alot just messed around with it.

[willow wraith]

Um, are the FileIO methods supposed to be able to work with arbitary paths?

I'm able to read, write, and delete shit anywhere on the filesystem.

[covert rapids]

hmm

[willow wraith]

I was initially investigating if the commands were path traversable but it turns out they don't even have the security measures that the docs say they do:

//!delete file. Works only on "$profile:" and "$saves:" locations
static proto bool DeleteFile(string name);

[distant meteor]

So you can delete files off your PC with them?

[covert rapids]

^^^ sys 32 attack

[distant meteor]

Yeah..

[covert rapids]

would suck

[willow wraith]

Yep, I tried it on D:\test.txt

[covert rapids]

try it in C drive

[distant meteor]

Jeez

[opal ingot]

Use CMD to create a file in sys/32 then try delete it

[covert rapids]

a directory with permissions required

[covert rapids]

this

[opal ingot]

Ah yeah righto

[willow wraith]

Yeah that's my next step

[hexed pewter]

anyone know how to get collision on an imported terrain heightmap?

[covert rapids]

maybe look through eden for some sort of collison component
?

[hexed pewter]

i did. couldnt find any reason why it would have collision and my one wouldnt 🙂

[opal ingot]

Is it using the old collision or no collision anymore

[hexed pewter]

zero collison. just fall into the water under it.

[hardy marsh]

oh christ

So did anyone get any further with porting/putting new equipment in game? I legit got as far as putting a material on a model

[willow wraith]

I am not able to do IO in permissioned directories such as C:\ or C:\Windows\system32. I am however able to do IO into user files (C:\Users\<my user>)

[hardy marsh]

that still isnt good lmao

could still cause some serious harm

[willow wraith]

Would be fairly trivial to exfil SSH keys, etc.

[opal ingot]

I missed the start. Is this with any code your mod would execute, or just locally run in the workbench

[hardy marsh]

legit people are gonna start doing CTF’s on people’s pc’s man

[willow wraith]

I'm running this code through a constructor in a script attached to a prefab in the world editor.

[distant meteor]

Can you create files as well?

[opal ingot]

Oh shit right. Definitely something that needs to be escalated so the Devs can see it.

[willow wraith]

I don't have the time to test any further tonight, but I assume you can. The docs for a couple of the commands seem to suggest they should be restricted to certain localized paths.

[distant meteor]

Yeah, if you can create/modify files you could do some damage. Definitely needs to be patched quickly lol

[willow wraith]

@turbid mountain pinging you for visibility.

[deep grove]

some of the mods published in-game seem pretty sus

[lofty schooner]

where do you see the docs for the commands? currently the wiki is pretty empty

[willow wraith]

In the source code itself.

[next glade]

where are you accessing the Docs? the wiki is still down for me

[willow wraith]

Yeah, I meant the code docs.

[next glade]

ahh

still trying to get my own mission up and running

kinda hard to do without the documentation lmao

[willow wraith]

It is haha, took me forever to even get any code running at all.

[opal ingot]

Does the GitHub page have any info? Pain in the ass they're docs website is a dead url

[void hollow]

Another closed sdk?

[next glade]

honestly they should have put the docs on github

[willow wraith]

According to dedmen it should be up tomorrow.

[opal ingot]

Yeah probably last minute changes to it, or translations to different languages weren't quite ready.

[willow wraith]

Here's to hoping 🤞 - hopefully someone sees what I posted, if not I'll log an issue tomorrow as I need to go to bed ASAP.

In the meantime I'd be wary of what I download.

[next glade]

people already putting strange crap on the workshop or somthing?

[willow wraith]

I don't know. In theory, they probably could.

[next glade]

im just anoyed that i have to go through the fucking press space boots on the ground every damn time i launch the game

[thin trout]

So with that sys32 attack being possible is it still safe to play the game normally? Without any mods or anything? What should I do to avoid getting fucked?

[void hollow]

no more PBO this game?

[neon raven]

Different languages? Why would they do it?

[hardy marsh]

The sys32 attack isn’t possible, but people’s mods can create/delete files in other directories. So i wouldn’t be downloading stuff for now

[hardy marsh]

No, unfortunately. I don’t think any of us are really entirely sure how it’s working at this stage

[runic granite]

Windows moment

[opal ingot]

For different people in different countries

[neon raven]

If you go to create mods,I don't think languages other than English concern you. I would even be ok with Czech tbh, just something

[wheat cloud]

Its worth testing while reforger is running as admin

[thin trout]

Got it thanks.

[hardy marsh]

There’re plenty of Japanese and Chinese modders for A3

[wheat cloud]

That would probably give it access

[hardy marsh]

Yes but unless there’s a way to force it to run as admin through modding (I doubt it) then it wouldn’t be a real vulnerability

[opal ingot]

Documentation in your native language is objectively far easier to use than relying on your own translation or community translations. Personally I only speak English, but to discredit those who would benefit from translations is a bit dirty

[wheat cloud]

Running arma as admin is common enough

It's a viable vector

[void pilot]

are there such a thing as server side only mods for reforger?

[neon raven]

I fully disagree. If it was available in English and Czech (my native language) I would fully go for the English one

[opal ingot]

But that's because you are very comfortable with English, what about those who aren't?

[distant meteor]

Being able to delete/create files without being admin is concerning as well. If you can write to them that would add to it

[obsidian osprey]

CTF reforger edition coming up

[distant meteor]

ReforgerCTF{you_got_armaed}

[heavy meadow]

Just saw CUP posted a mod. Does it actually do anything?

[wheat cloud]

Doubt its actually them

Id avoid downloading any mods for a bit

[thorny linden]

considering it claims to be terrains and it's only 20 MB... yeah

[obsidian osprey]

🤔

[void hollow]

CTD with heavy file load

[winged root]

We have not posted a Mod for Reforger yet!

[heavy meadow]

Oh dang well there are posts by the CUP Team on there so fake then

[winged root]

If in doubt, releases will always be mentioned on our Twitter, FB, Discord and website. Everything else is faked.

[junior stirrup]

so how do i go about building a mod to test it in game? first time modding arma but i think i have everything set up about my weapon to test it in game

[heavy meadow]

Alright cool. Thats a new thing we got to look out for with this game lol.

[silver bay]

just dont download small ass mods

basically

tbh

[wheat cloud]

I just wouldn't download mods for a bit

[lilac niche]

if CUP releases on rf, would it have a3 stuff?

[winged root]

Tools are out since yesterday. Nobody even knows if they work as expected, so it is too early to say anything.

[silent perch]

I mean, there is already a cup terrains mod

[polar hearth]

its fake

[wicked crag]

I can't even figure out how to create a spawn point

They are making you create it from scratch (linking the scripts and such)

[earnest plover]

The devs forgot to delete/hide some valuable info on arma4 in the files. They removed them like instantly

[winged root]

It's not and as I made those graphics I will flag it for intellectual property infringement later today when I get home.

[wicked crag]

Already reported it in the workshop but I assume it'll be taken down pretty quick

[silent perch]

Ah

[junior stirrup]

anyone else get a connection error when you hit publish project?

[slender ice]

I cant even log into my account in workshop 😦

[winged root]

Thank you. Please continue so until official CUP channels say otherwise. You may quote me when flagging that CUP has not released anything so far for Reforger

[cerulean grotto]

Wait so a mod could fuck with user directories?
Isn't that a big deal?

[distant meteor]

Yes.

[lilac niche]

mhm

[hardy marsh]

A massive deal yeah

[polar hearth]

like buy new pc deal

[wheat cloud]

Hence the advice to not download mods

[hardy marsh]

Like “lmao syskey’d” deal

[polar hearth]

fr

[sage galleon]

Anyone else having trouble to login into the workbench with a Bohemia account? I have tried with 2 differents account but I keep getting an error

[junior stirrup]

same in game but it lets me in the tools... or at least it doesn't give me an error after hitting sign in

[grave elm]

Guys, how to create simple mission with one player? How to place person to the world save it and launch in the game?

[lilac niche]

are there any actual mods yet?

[slender ice]

i get auth error 😦

[junior stirrup]

i think their backend is just not functioning rn

i get some kinda request issue everytime i try to build

why the hell we can't build files offline is beyond me

[neon raven]

I wish we knew

[sage galleon]

@junior stirrup how do you even build? Can't see the option anywhere

[junior stirrup]

top left, workbench> publish. looks like it is where you build but

you need to be logged in and when you are it just gives you a bad request error and kicks you out

[twin osprey]

Is anyone streaming mission making?

[hardy marsh]

no one knows how to lmao

[meager prism]

Are there no local mods? If I wanted to test a mod in multiplayer with a couple friends, will I have to publicly release it on the workshop first?

[junior stirrup]

seems like it sadly

[halcyon plover]

Perhaps with a friend-only setting

[meager prism]

That seems like a huge oversight, I hope they add a way to have local or private mods. I'd rather not release unfinished stuff just to be able to test in multiplayer.

[junior stirrup]

i think there's a private option but issue for now is just that its locked behind the server thing

[distant meteor]

If you create a project it shows up under "Workshop > Downloaded" without having to publish it.

[junior stirrup]

you mean once you bundle it?

[distant meteor]

No

[junior stirrup]

huhh

doesn't show up for me

[distant meteor]

Did you change the directory when you created it?

If it's in C:\Users\YourUser\Documents\My Games\ArmaReforger\addons it will show up in-game.

[junior stirrup]

oh i set it to a separate folder on my hard drive, let me see if i can change it

thanks homie

[distant meteor]

Np. I only figured that out because I created 2 projects, 1 on my project drive, another there and the one in there showed up lol

[junior stirrup]

if its actually just gonna work that way i suppose its symlink time lol

cba to have my projects on my ssd

[distant meteor]

Yeah, I hope they change it so you can the location lol

[sacred fog]

Anyone know how to mod UI? I can find scripts for the widgets and widget interactive logic. But the UI placement itself seem to be under some 'layout' location which I can't find.

[junior stirrup]

honestly setting up a SM link will do the trick

[tight dune]

there are CLI parameters for addons dir
-addonsDir "c:\some\location\with\addons","d:\other"

with this param, you are pointing to a location where addons folders are located

then, there is param to run any of the mods, both on server and client, via CLI -addons AddonID,AddonGuidAlsoWorks

[wheat locust]

so as I understand, there's no more PBOs or equivalent? addons would just be a folder with all the loose files?

[distant meteor]

Ah, nice. Thanks Reyhard

[junior stirrup]

sweet

the shading is damn great, so painless to get my models looking pretty

[alpine brook]

How to made some pak file?

[tight dune]

addons are packed to .pak files. When you bundle file there are those pak files inside. You can also see them inside downloaded addons

[cerulean grotto]

Is there a way to list all scenarios? Like for capture and hold. Yes I know they're all listed on the wiki

[wheat locust]

but it doesn't pak everything?

looking at the capture and hold gamemode, there's a pak file but also still a bunch of loose files next to it

[tight dune]

those loose files are for the backend

pak file is sort of single big addon

[topaz plank]

Is there some news about when the documentation goes live (eta?)

[pallid fern]

No, but the samples are pretty nice if you haven’t seem them yet - https://reforger.armaplatform.com/dev-hub

[topaz plank]

Thanks

[harsh walrus]

they said 'tomorrow' at the time of release

but yeah you never know

you'd think they'd be live at release 😂

[tight dune]

This profile & saves restriction only apply to game. Workbench has no such restriction. So there is no danger now from downloading mods from Workshop if you plan to use that mod in game only

[alpine brook]

How to pak add-ons?

[tight dune]

packing happens when addon is bundled

[shrewd pier]

is it possible to browse mods without having the game?

[wheat locust]

yeah I was wondering that too, is there gonna be a way to view the workshop through a website?

[shrewd pier]

because, if i'm going to buy it , its when first big mods will start to appear for example: CUP maps, RHSs, and ACE
or in general when the game will have more assets cause right now there aren't a lot :|

[alpine brook]

It's possible to bundle without login

[minor hatch]

Mods dont work on console?

[shrewd pier]

mods do work on console, you can't make them , but you can play them

[vague wren]

Hey, how can I actually try a mod in-game?

I can't seem to find any documentation about this

[runic pollen]

just load up the game, open workshop, go to "downloaded" and enable it

[vague hamlet]

Are simple missions now also considered as a mod?

[vague wren]

Awesome, thank you

[indigo quail]

What is needed for Mission to be available in game?
I create:
*Mission conf
*Mission world with GM
In workbench everything works
But how to export it to game?

i can see my project in download area of workshop, but it do nothing

[sand fox]

Whoa hewwo you here

[vague wren]

Is there something like the 3den editor in reforger?

[wheat locust]

nope

[sand fox]

Is it possible to create workbench plugins? Like editor plugins/extensions?

[indigo quail]

https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples/tree/main/SampleMod_WorkbenchPlugin

[vague wren]

https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples/tree/main/SampleMod_WorkbenchPlugin

lol

[sand fox]

Thank you so much

[sacred moth]

Oh great, I was about to ask how to add a tool to the world editor

[sand fox]

It uses C as lang right?

[sacred moth]

more like C#

[sand fox]

Oh

Ty

[sacred moth]

C isn't OOP

[grave elm]

Enforce Script language

[indigo quail]

anyone can help?

[sand fox]

[sand fox]

Any docs?

[brazen plaza]

when is the terrain tool coming out?

[wheat locust]

the tools are all out on steam

[indigo quail]

only base syntax description on biwiki

[sacred moth]

it's part of Workbench

[brazen plaza]

No, the terrain tool is still greyed out

[sand fox]

Oki ty

[sacred moth]

World Editor

[wheat locust]

greyed out where?

[brazen plaza]

wait

[wheat locust]

I don't think you're going to be able to export models for editing

[brazen plaza]

https://gyazo.com/d28e76d346f99649d01350261921e01f

[wheat locust]

there are samples I believe

have you check the blender tools?

[sand fox]

Well that is bad :/

[wheat locust]

that's how arma modding has always been

can't edit vanilla models

but now you can at least fully view in the editor

see how everything is made

[sand fox]

Ye but I'm used to be able to export things in other sdks to modify them hmmm

[sacred moth]

because they're using the same tools we do

[brazen plaza]

no idea anyone ?

[indigo quail]

you need add GenericTerrainEntity

and after RMB on it and Create new terrain

[brazen plaza]

where can i add ?

[indigo quail]

open world editor / left panel / on bottom "create" / find GenericTerrainEntity and drag'n'drop

[brazen plaza]

okay, now I have a white platform but I still can't change the terrain

[jovial bridge]

<#enfusion_terrain message>

[twin osprey]

seems like almost everything I do just makes the tools crash 🤣

[sand fox]

Damn I wish I could make rust lang bindings to their scripting lang, but that impossible

[slate thunder]

guys is there any civiil loadouts or clothing?

[grand wasp]

I don't think there is. also did anybody try to import an irl location to Arma reforger yet ?

I'm thinking of buying reforger and importing my hometown's sat

[slate thunder]

wdym import irl location

its not that easy

[grand wasp]

In #enfusion_terrain there is an explanation that it is possible to import a sat

So I was wondering if anyone tried it yet with success

[slate thunder]

i mean you can import the heightmap

but then its only the terrain

[opal ingot]

Thats where the fun begins

[grand wasp]

Imagine miller running through new York city

[leaden hedge]

While the tools are much better this tome around, terrain-making, I imagine, is still very much among the harder things to mod for Arma. To that affect - perhaps not as hard as it used to be, but a time investment to make something quality.

It’s a really fun process. Try it out.

Otherwise - it might be a bit before anything of decent quality gets released. Good terrains require creativity and attention to detail to design - even the ones based on real places.

[long harbor]

hopefully we'll see some small thought out terrains

[honest zodiac]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but im having trouble with the camera in the world editor, its moving at lightspeed so tapping w zooms me across the map, is there anyway to slow it down or is this a bug of some kind?

[long harbor]

now that the process is less painfull small terains feel like they're worth making 😄

[leaden hedge]

Try using the scroll wheel to modulate your speed

[haughty vapor]

a bit off topic, but isnt this completely open source c# mod type thing a very big security issue?

ive seen a thousand really good c# malware in my time

[runic pollen]

lol

C# doesn't mean malware or insecure, and neither does open source

[honest zodiac]

im not sure what you mean one notch on my scroll wheel zooms across the whole map

[haughty vapor]

i never said it does

i mean the security holes will be 10x than with a normal embedded scripting lang

like sqf

[leaden hedge]

Interesting Joe, that seemed to have helped me. I wish I could help more but I’m away from keyboard

[runic pollen]

well, this isn't actually C#, and afaik they aren't JIT compiling it so it wouldn't have any more security flaws than any other bytecode interpreter

[opal ingot]

Yep, scroll out then use w to go forward again. Its odd... But scrolling in increases your speed at the same time as moving you.
If what I understands right

[runic pollen]

although I don't know any actual implementation details

[haughty vapor]

what does jit have to do with this

[runic pollen]

a JIT is where insecurity in C# would come from

[honest zodiac]

oh yes that works, thank you very much, what a weird control setup though

[haughty vapor]

my point is that things are a lot more obfuscatable in c# rather than sqf

ok i dont mean go full pwn mode on c#

[runic pollen]

please uninstall kali

[haughty vapor]

?XD

how old are you

[rigid tulip]

Compiled sandbox C# is perfectly safe

Also enscript is not C# anyways

I haven't seen any credible proof of any security vulnerabilities with reforger modding. Reading writing files to a filesystem is not by default dangerous, arma 3 does it with it's profile system

[runic pollen]

and any language implementation is going to have a few bugs, but the fact that source code can be obfuscated has no relation to how severe those bugs will be

[rigid tulip]

SQF can also be obfuscated

[haughty vapor]

noon ever mentioned language level bugs

[runic pollen]

SQF is obfuscated by default lmao

[rigid tulip]

Isn't sqf literally just strings interpreted at runtime, I can't remember lol

[runic pollen]

open source c# mod type thing a very big security issue?

[rigid tulip]

Fuck no, if they properly sandboxed stuff it isn't an issue at all. Source: work on a c# engine that has user created mods

[haughty vapor]

ok yes when did i mention you need to exploit c# language level

if they properly sandboxed it yes

[rigid tulip]

If it's sandboxed you can't exploit shit

[runic pollen]

yeah, I was quoting the other guy

not my words lol

[rigid tulip]

Open source doesn't mean shit

Any source can be open with the right tools 😏

[haughty vapor]

if you have ever in your life seen any c# malware you would realise i am not talking about finding a fkn cve on cs language level

but i am obviously not the one that needs to uninstall kali

[runic pollen]

lmao

[rigid tulip]

Do you understand what a scripting language does?

it doesn't do what you think it does

[haughty vapor]

i understand what sqf does yeah, but from what i saw in the workbench and what has been said here this is different right?

[runic pollen]

no point in trying to educate a skiddie, they'll grow out of it eventually

[leaden hedge]

It’s an OO script language that is C-like in syntax. Not much to worry about there.

[haughty vapor]

but yeah educate me if im understanding somehting wrong

[rigid tulip]

Enscript is NOT C# it's a propretary scripting language BASED on C# syntax. That means that it ONLY has access to things that BI explicity gives it

[haughty vapor]

i never said i fully understand how this works

[rigid tulip]

Besides arma 3 supports arbitrary C++ DLL mods which are HELLA insecure

[leaden hedge]

If anything you’d have a better shot at finding something fucky written in enscript than SQF

I personally find it a bit easier to read…

[haughty vapor]

in mission files or mods?

[rigid tulip]

enscript is great, it supports proper oop and it's actually fucking compiled

[rigid tulip]

mods

[leaden hedge]

I’ve been told manual memory management is even a thing

Pretty cool!

[rigid tulip]

Oh?

[haughty vapor]

i mean we still dont know what is allowed and not though right?

[runic pollen]

has it been confirmed that it is proper AOT? I'd just assumed it was going down to bytecode and throwing around the word "compiled" in the same way cpython does

[haughty vapor]

this thing came out yesterday

[warm charm]

is anyone already working on a sandbox kinda scenario?

[haughty vapor]

or was this in dayz to begin with

[rigid tulip]

It's been used in dayz for a while

[haughty vapor]

ah okay

[warm charm]

like NMD Sandbox was in Arma3?

[leaden hedge]

The best docs we have on enscript itself are actually from dzsa wiki

[rigid tulip]

So

[leaden hedge]

It’s a good reference to get an idea about it

[rigid tulip]

Does anyone ACTUALLY have a credible source on this "Reforger mods are a virus" rumor?

[runic pollen]

of course not

[rigid tulip]

Because if it was I would assume BI would hotfix that shit

[haughty vapor]

no lol

[rigid tulip]

IMO it sounds like some skiddie found the function to write data to the resources folder and freaked the fuck out

[opal ingot]

Up in the chat a bloke was playing around with scripts and got them to delete/create files/folders. That is what this has come from.

[haughty vapor]

was a thought, however cloaker seems to not be having fun at home so he had to snap

[rigid tulip]

In editor or ingame?

It's highly possible that you can do that in the editor, since that would be useful for creating automation tools

[opal ingot]

In editor on scripts that would be run in-game. I'll find it again and send a image in dm of what he actually said.

[rigid tulip]

If the script gets executed in editor it's not in game, those functions may be locked out at runtime

[runic pollen]

sorry, but unfounded speculation on security problems when there's already dumb rumors going around isn't really cool

[opal ingot]

As-in script gets run in-game but he was writing it in editor.

[rigid tulip]

Yes, but did he execute it ingame?

[haughty vapor]

doesnt everything start with speculations

[leaden hedge]

Some more founded, some less.

Not sure this is more than hot air.

[rigid tulip]

This sounds like hot air

There is no way in hell that sort of exploit would make it through QA

[haughty vapor]

but i have now been educated by jezithyr

[leaden hedge]

Not to be dismissive, of course, but people are saying a lot in the past day.

[opal ingot]

dm'd the messages. Take of it what you will, I only know what was said in what I sent to you then.

[rigid tulip]

Yeah, it looks like he was running those functions in the editor

If that was at runtime I would be concerned

It makes sense to be able to read/write to user profiles while inside the editor, how else could you automate reading/writing files while editing

[opal ingot]

He knocked off before testing anything more, but I agree it would be a massive oversight.
You could give it a shot yourself I guess.

[rigid tulip]

I would but I need to sleep too lol

[haughty vapor]

so people have been saying theyrea virus or what

was just my thought after looking at the workshop for 10 minutes, not very based

[slate thunder]

how do you make a new .et Prefab?

[opal ingot]

No viruses, just the possibility by speculation, IE no one has provided direct evidence of running anything in-game.

[rigid tulip]

Only in the editor

[pastel copper]

There is no way in hell that sort of exploit **should **make it through QA

[rigid tulip]

This is the sort of thing you catch while you are developing the feature

[pastel copper]

I've seen worse

[rigid tulip]

if this IS a security vulnerability (which I highly doubt) someone deserves to be fired

[haughty vapor]

ive seen uafs in 7 year old open source university wide projects in plain sight

all good

[vague hamlet]

My problem with enforce script is that you can't access the millions of tools and programms written in open programming languages.
Let's say you want a http client to send stats to your webserver. If they have not implemented it you will have to write an ugly curl wrapper.

[rigid tulip]

You'd never be allowed to use external libraries anyways that's an enormous security vulnerability

[haughty vapor]

but yeah my guess is that its not impossible that it could make it throguh qa, this is an alphai n the first place

but most likely no

[runic pollen]

honestly I think the semantics are close enough that you could do mechanical translation from C# (as long as the library isn't mega templated/full of LINQ)

[rigid tulip]

The reason why I say this is very likely just hot air is because that enscript is a propreitary SCRIPTING language built for their engine which means every interaction needed to be specifically written

[vague hamlet]

For server side code?

[brave bramble]

Anyone know if it's possible to extract base game textures and such yet?

I want to edit things. ):

[rigid tulip]

basically any enscript code needs to go through the engine, it does NOT get arbitrarily called because that would be moronic. So if for some reason you were able to write files to arbitrary directories a developer would have needed to explicitly implement that functionality

[vague hamlet]

But how can the server then communicate with outside services?

[rigid tulip]

Yeah, because to call libraries you'd basically need to be able to execute arbitrary code

[rigid tulip]

I believe there is HTTP requests I think?

[gleaming basalt]

Yes

Called RestContext

Works with RestCallback

but not yet figured out how to create my own scripts

[vague hamlet]

I'm still not sure what you mean exactly with security problems.
Lets say Enfusion would support c++ what would be the problem including a 3p library?
I could literally copy the code and paste it into the mod.

[rigid tulip]

that C++ code would not be sandboxed and would have full access to your system, that's the issue

[runic pollen]

then you could easily send code that calls the classic windows API function "BreakEverythingA"

[rigid tulip]

lolwut

[runic pollen]

couldn't think of a destructive enough function off the top of my head lol

although I'm sure somebody at microsoft has typed that at least once

[rigid tulip]

in the game engine I work on in my spare time off work, we literally have a class called public static A {}
Someone forgot to remove a testcase before submiting lol

[dusk echo]

pretty dumb question, i've been tyring to mess with some prefabs but I can't rotate or move them at all

[vague hamlet]

But what is the difference to code that I write?
Why shouldn't be my code executed in the sandbox but the included lib not?

[dusk echo]

am I missing something?

[rigid tulip]

Yes your code is safe, but the code you download might not be

[leaden hedge]

A third party lib is not- exactly

[runic pollen]

C++ compiles down to native machine code, and you can't easily sandbox machine code without a full on VM

[rigid tulip]

also C++ is not what i'd call a scripting language 😛

there are way too many ways to do dumb shit

[hushed helm]

libarys or extension should also exist only for the serverside as it is in arma currently already

[haughty vapor]

is c# one 🤨

[vague hamlet]

Not talking about already compiled code.

[haughty vapor]

or enscript

[runic pollen]

then you have to ship a C++ compiler with the game

which is literally hell

[leaden hedge]

That’s funny because I actually saw, on the bohemia forums a C++ bridge for arma 3

[vague hamlet]

We were talking about an imaginary world where enfusion would use c++ instead of enforce script

[leaden hedge]

Not sure if it was ever brought to completion

[runic pollen]

ah right my bad for not huffing the same stuff as you lol

[rigid tulip]

Intercept, and yeah it works however it uses arma 3's dll system and requires whitelisting by battleeye

[leaden hedge]

And thus security issues ensue. Makes sense

[rigid tulip]

This is a terrible idea, on many levels

1. C++ is ass for usability
   2)C++ can be used to do really really naughty shit very easily

[haughty vapor]

mainly because c++ is terrible

[rigid tulip]

It's not terrible, but it is terrible for scripting

[haughty vapor]

its a mess

[leaden hedge]

If you break your fingers with a hammer, is the hammer terrible?

[rigid tulip]

Scripting needs to be high level and fast/easy to iterate.
C++ is not that

[haughty vapor]

rust on the oither hand is not a mess 😄

[rigid tulip]

Rust is amazing

[haughty vapor]

there is no reason to use c++ over rust other than compatibility

which is a pretty big reason but yeah

[compact zephyr]

I know we dont have any documentation yet, but I have tried to figure out how to use inheritance with workbench but cannot figure it out. Like I have my own custom Binocular model, and I want to inherit the B22 bino class for all the configs. Just like I would do in A3, is this Even possible?

[haughty vapor]

oh yeah also that rust naming conventions are unix naming conventions and theyre ugly

[rigid tulip]

eh agree to disagree

c++ still has it's uses for low level performance

[haughty vapor]

and it uses spaces instead of tabs for identation

low level performance for what use case?

[rigid tulip]

realtime applications such as games

[spark sigil]

@haughty vapor you are listing all the things i hate most in life

[vague hamlet]

It was not about c++ I just named it an example. I think unreal is using it.
I was talking about the advantages of an already existing languages over a new proprietary one, having access to already existing code instead of programming all kind of stuff from scratch.
Like I don't know database connectors, array/math libs, json/xml/yaml support and what not.

[haughty vapor]

wdym i love naming my functions create_thread_ex

[runic pollen]

the problem I've ran into with inheritance/overriding/duplicating (/anything) is that "items" actually exist as prefabs which reference the original asset fully qualified with an ID and everything, so to actually swap out an asset you need to mod the prefab and and scripts which use the old ID

although it is very likely I was doing something wrong

[pallid fern]

What do you mean barely work? Drag and drop an FBX, adjust your shaders and it's ready (well, you need to make it functional too, but that's something else than importing a model). Maybe if you expanded on your issue we could take a look at it and see if we can help you, that way we all learn.

I imported two vehicle models without any struggle.

[haughty vapor]

how does rust compare with c++ performance wise?

[spark sigil]

🤦‍♂️

[haughty vapor]

it sometimes is faster - sometimes slower

[leaden hedge]

@vague hamlet Just an FYI but enfusion’s engine code is written with C++ - a scripting language like enforce serves a different purpose in that environment than the lang used to build the engine

[haughty vapor]

and i can understand why its slower

[vague hamlet]

I'm totally aware of that.

[compact zephyr]

Im sorry but isnt adding New content supposed to be easier with this? This does not sound easy. Why would I have to touch scripting for a simple item? So far A3 modding is easier, to me atleast.

[leaden hedge]

Then I may have misunderstood the tradeoffs you were asking about.

[runic pollen]

I'm just telling you a workaround, I don't represent BI or anything, and I even admitted that I'm probably wrong

if you want something to work, try all that. Otherwise assume I'm wrong and move on

[compact zephyr]

I will wait around for the docs

[rigid tulip]

Yeah but unreal engine is a game engine not a platform. It's designed for devs to implement games in, it literally has 0 security checks by design, writing c++ code for unreal engine literally has the keys to the kingdom. Let's say that BI chose c# instead of enscript. For one, it would HAVE to be sandboxed which means limiting what it's allowed to access. This means that unless you embed the library in your project you won't be able to use it and even if you embed it, it's possible that the library might use functions that are blacklisted in the sandbox.

If you have a scripting language that is unsandboxed congratulations you've just created a remote code execution that allows people to run any code they want on your system

[leaden hedge]

And even worse than all that, Jezithyr, I don’t think I have another .NET download in me

Might just have to walk away from the keyboard if I saw that screen!

[rigid tulip]

Time to install another .net runtime. "Yes darling"

Workbench is pretty nice NGL

[runic pollen]

but .NET 6 has cool new features!!!! like... probably some F# changes

[rigid tulip]

I unironically work on an engine that uses .Net 6, it's not terrible

[runic pollen]

for a second there I thought they reached 7 without me realizing lol

[rigid tulip]

Nullables are a bit of a pain in the ass tho

they're basically options from rust but more shit

[runic pollen]

i've got nothing against .NET, I just need something to beat on

[rigid tulip]

"We got rid of null!" Just kiding! We just wraped it with a struct!

[spark sigil]

I think they should implement ruby scripting instead of enforce

[vague hamlet]

Got it. But what is the advantage of sandboxed enforce script over sandboxed C#, java, Python, Lua, Typescript?

[runic pollen]

why stop with ruby? let's get TCL going

[spark sigil]

😂

[runic pollen]

that's a matter of opinion really

[thin falcon]

Is there Reforger Natives documentation?