enfusion_terrain

[slender idol]

or whatever

[misty jetty]

thats what im doing for my map its slight hills

[slender idol]

I wonder if the entity draw distance would hide them though

[misty jetty]

but its not enough because anybdoy can just drive off into the ocean

so i dug a ditch and it kills anybody who walks off

but for people in vehicles it does nothing

[slender idol]

triggers are in the game, just make a big box

[misty jetty]

vehicles dont have splash damage

when i asked aobut this months ago there was no info on this and was told explicitly that doesnt work

[pulsar lodge]

you can create a feedback ticket to suggest such feature

[slender idol]

your trigger can filter for chimeracharacter and kill the character

ez win

[pulsar lodge]

other than that we are not in position to demand stuff

feedback tickets is the way to go

and patience in scale of 6 months+ at least

[misty jetty]

i mean to be fair we are. We are the cutting edge content makers for the future of their major investment into growing community content that made arma the powerhouse that it is. If they are not going to listen to us and launch tools that are missing some important features its a big L for them

[pulsar lodge]

yes but there is correct way and then wrong way to give constructive feedback

[misty jetty]

reforger is dead and most of the modders have left

[pulsar lodge]

that is the wrong way

[misty jetty]

So we are the only ones left.

[slender idol]

just post on the feedback tracker, but features like faking terrain around your map is like least concern

there are more important things to do

[misty jetty]

give me examples

[pulsar lodge]

currently Reforgers own needs are not in landlocked terrains

so it is not very high importance feature

you can still make one

and yes it will look somewhat funky

[misty jetty]

because i think "we only support islands" being something they tell the community when arma 4 launches will produce earth shattering laughter

[slender idol]

most people don't really care about this

[misty jetty]

most people dont consider or even think about it

[pulsar lodge]

but make a good map that would be even better with such feature and you have better chance attracting positive attention to the issue

[misty jetty]

i am , to my knowledge my map is still the bomb

[pulsar lodge]

and dont let fame get into your head

[misty jetty]

Only a few more areas to fill in and its done enough to figure out how conflict works

[burnt torrent]

People did that for 2 games and they didn't add it. Then it got broke in the 4th game and didn't get fixed until several years in.

[pulsar lodge]

we can either trust history to repeat itself or try to change the current flow (with positive, constructive feedback)

[slender idol]

in any case, complaining about it on discord isn't really going to make any difference

there are better ways to log feedback

[misty jetty]

where else? devs post here and the dev tracker gets checked maybe once every 2 weeks

[pulsar lodge]

dev tracker is the place.

and if you post here. consider how you would react to someone to demand you make your map an island

[misty jetty]

what?

[burnt torrent]

He wasn't complaining though originally. He was asking Dedman for a suggestion

[slender idol]

devs do visit the discord, yeah, but feedback tracker is the place

[misty jetty]

Im not demanding anything i just think its funny that the devs dont find it important to something in the pipeline about the fact most people who make maps in arma 4 are going to want to make land locked maps especially if they are copies of places they want to recreate.

[slender idol]

things that are important to you may not be important to someone else

[pulsar lodge]

there are likely other more important things right now

its not "couple of lines of code"

[misty jetty]

I mean i disagree , if you ask a bunch of kids who might want to get into map making what kind of map they would make , and have them describe it , most would likely describe a landlocked map and not some island

[slender idol]

seems to me that you can already fake landlocked maps, otherwise you'll need to wait

[burnt torrent]

How do you fake them?

[misty jetty]

i can "fake it" but if they add helicopters which apparently they are , its going to suck

you build small hills on the perimiter to hide the ocean

[slender idol]

all the landlocked maps are faked in previous games anyway

[misty jetty]

right and we dont have that ability

[slender idol]

you have other abilities though, has anyone tested literally adding mountain meshes around the terrain?

[misty jetty]

not all geography is going to have mountains in the distance

[slender idol]

doesn't have to be mountains

[misty jetty]

?

[slender idol]

it can be a mesh of anything

[pulsar lodge]

if you want you can make large straight planes on the sides of your map Id suppose

worth while to try

[slender idol]

I'll try it right now

[pulsar lodge]

👍

[slender idol]

but with a terrain mesh

[pulsar lodge]

another terrain on the sides? 🤔

[slender idol]

yes, but imported from an fbx

[pulsar lodge]

aa

[inland obsidian]

if they dont plan on endless terrain options, they could implement a 4th wall technique around the map edges and apply a horizon texture to that, map maker could then for example put a steep(unclimable) ridge or steppes around the edge as a further blocker.
you could also have a UI message stating something like "You have reached the worlds edge", which could be useful in single-player scenarios to keep players on track.

[pulsar lodge]

has anyone tried multiple terrain entities btw?

[pulsar lodge]

3D Skybox stuff

makes me think that it could actually offer cool possibilities to liven up the distance

[inland obsidian]

of course the only trouble with that is aircraft slamming into it, but you could just make anythign that goes beyond the 4th wall blow up if it lands.

[pulsar lodge]

or have no collision

depends what you want out of it

[slender idol]

it's infinitely better (visually) than randomly generated noise

[inland obsidian]

yep, as good a time as any to propose this sort of stuff to the devs via feedback tracker, so if they like such ideas they can look into it and plan ahead.

[pulsar lodge]

so question 1 is does the engine support objects out of terrain bounds

as previous titles did not

only what was in bounds of the terrain mapframe got into game

[slender idol]

yes

excuse the ugliness, just a test

[burnt torrent]

Does the collision work? Otherwise units can hide inside

[slender idol]

not sure yet, I'm assuming you'll have a trigger that just kills players going out of bounds

[inland obsidian]

not entirely correct, from a terrain perspective yes 100% correct, but from a game-mode perspective e.g. dayzmod you could have objects stored in a db outside the terrain that would persist through a restart due to the database storage of the object and its positions.

[slender idol]

otherwise it's a pretty big collider

[pulsar lodge]

yes but those were live objects

[pulsar lodge]

this is in editor though

[slender idol]

I mean it works in game mode

[pulsar lodge]

could be difference to live game still

but Id wager its not different

[burnt torrent]

Yeah but then you're killing helicopter pilots or plane pilots because they didn't turn fast enough. This is why the old method was better. Didn't need to worry about any of it. It was actual terrain

[slender idol]

that's true, so your base map should be big enough to cover playable area, seeing as these are just background objects

of course your kill triggers dont need to be infinite height, airplanes could fly out further etc

[pulsar lodge]

in case they are few kilometers away should not be a problem

[burnt torrent]

Isn't there a 16km limit for 1mpx surface masks?

[pulsar lodge]

not following?

[burnt torrent]

What were you trying to import yesterday that wasn't working?

[pulsar lodge]

running out of memory yes

but Im gonna call it a bug for now

I doubt its intended limit

and larger m/px mask works better than in RV as the masks can blend

[slender idol]

everon is already big enough, idk why people want to go much bigger all the time

[pulsar lodge]

You'll understand when I get my thing progressing

[slender idol]

how big is everon even?

[pulsar lodge]

smol

[burnt torrent]

It really isn't. It's only 12.8 X 12.8km

[pulsar lodge]

well smol+

[slender idol]

I'd understand for aircraft

[pulsar lodge]

its good size for its intended gameplay

[burnt torrent]

And the terrain I was working on for off and on for years is 15.4 X 15.4km meaning that with the current limit, I have 500m per side to try to hide the fact it isn't an island

[slender idol]

I'm pretty sure goat has a 65x65 km terrain

[pulsar lodge]

correct

[slender idol]

so I don't see a 16 km limit

[burnt torrent]

You can't import a surface mask for it... which is kind of important

[pulsar lodge]

in lower resolution you can. but Im hoping there is indeed a bug in there which can get looked at sometime

[slender idol]

maybe it would benefit from using a different image format for it

[pulsar lodge]

Im wagering its how the masks are processed

[burnt torrent]

Maybe... pretty sure there were plenty of TB bugs that didn't get fixed for 8 years

[pulsar lodge]

could perhaps use more split processing instead of cramming it all in memory

TB was old when we got it

[slender idol]

how big are your surface mask exports?

[pulsar lodge]

and nobody knows how it works

[burnt torrent]

Which means it wasn't fixed for even longer 😄

[pulsar lodge]

well VBS version works better in many ways. There was really no development for TB in Arma tools. As unfortunate as that is.
However right now we are in the middle of new tools being developed. Im gonna give that a chance to go differently

[pulsar lodge]

surface mask exports?

[slender idol]

yea

[pulsar lodge]

have not exported any. only imported

[slender idol]

I mean in terms of image resolution

[pulsar lodge]

they are supposed to be the same size used in the map aint they

[slender idol]

I think it's tied to cell size? maybe

[pulsar lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976159873517629500/999459963317534780/unknown.png this I got to work so they the masks are pretty low res

you meant the tile resolutions?

[slender idol]

yeah

maybe not

[pulsar lodge]

the whole texture or the parts its split into

[slender idol]

whole, if you were to go to paint and export any of the surface masks

how large would the file be

[pulsar lodge]

im more into generating them out of the editor

[slender idol]

yes I want to see in what res they are stored internally

[pulsar lodge]

but it would be same resolution as what the terrain is set to use

internally it should be split into smaller parts

each tile assigned to tile of terrain

[slender idol]

I mean I guess I can just export a few out of my own things

sorry

[pulsar lodge]

Im not sure what info you are looking for sorry

[slender idol]

just the resolution of the exported png image

and how it relates to terrain size

[pulsar lodge]

it would be this

[inland obsidian]

Could be the version of libtiff they are using is outdated, iirc BigTiff >4GB format was only fully/formally supported since the 4.0.* version of libtiff

ref: http://www.simplesystems.org/libtiff/releases/v4.0.0.html

[pulsar lodge]

@greenpeople 😅

[inland obsidian]

if they updated that it would help you get around any filesize issues, couldnt promise it would be a magic bullet though.

[slender idol]

and also make satmap import not limited to png

[high crater]

I made a terrain and trying to test it in-game but I don't know how can I open the world that I created. I am trying but it is just Everon.

[pulsar lodge]

if the mechanic borks at used memory wouldnt any image format cause that though?

[burnt torrent]

I think he just wants options

I prefer the bmp format myself... although maybe there is some reason that isn't supported

[pulsar lodge]

bmp is fine untill you reach the pixel limit xD

[high crater]

Anyone know?

[pulsar lodge]

I've noticed its not that common option to export to anymore though

[pulsar lodge]

you might need some sort of mission for it too?

[high crater]

How can i do that

[pulsar lodge]

no idea. just throwing out ideas

[high crater]

Thx.

[slender idol]

yes and no, for example photoshop will refuse to save PNG files over 2 GB in size

so it's about more than just import

[slender idol]

you need a mission file, look at the existing ones in missions folder

[high crater]

Is that just works if I duplicate the "21_GM_Eden.conf" ?

[slender idol]

well, you'll need to edit it, and make sure you have all the relevant game mode entities in your world

also #enfusion_scenario

[marble skiff]

how do you edit the interior furniture in buildings? i can move stuff around and disable furniture that's placed in buildings by default, but is there a way to remove/delete items? been messing about for a bit and i just cant work it out.

[cold crane]

the wiki has a great tutorial on prefab making/editing, its pretty good TBF

duplicate the prefab to your project edit and save

where do i find the dev tracker i cant seem to find it haha NVM

[marble skiff]

cheers, i'l take a look

cheers

Roads are not flat but are designed to assist in the drainage of water. This is known as a camber. Add camber to roads, 🍺

[slender idol]

you can if you sculpt the terrain under the road a little bit, while the road has heightmap modification off

[pulsar lodge]

just tired a bare minimum terrain project, no heightmap just generic terrain entiry and terrain settings set up and mask import at 8k resolution

worked

but trying to change that to 16k crashed

not as serious crash as before, perhaps adding more virtual memory helped to save it

but reforger is stuck at 33gb ram use and cant kill the process now 😅 throws access denied at me

[slender idol]

try killing it with process hacker

also yes page file helps - my page file is about 200 GB on an NVMe device to help my RAM overflows

[pulsar lodge]

it died now but took a while

since the other textures do work at higher resolutions Im still gonna say this is a bug

[stray briar]

Bacon how much ram you got?

[pulsar lodge]

importing the same file on a 4k heightmap with 4m cell (16km world) at 16k mask resolution did work

trying to change that to 32k -> boom

[signal drum]

does someone know why a map is crashing other pc´s when they try to work on it?

[pulsar lodge]

no.

but you probably should collect the minidump files from their crashes and bundle them up into a bug report on the feedback tracker

what dimension map do you have?

if its big

[signal drum]

well its a bluescreen and i think is was around 16x16km

[pulsar lodge]

it could be they run into same memory issue I am

that does not sound too big

but 16k has been max resolution I have been able to push mask to

[signal drum]

Surface Map:
Tile resolution:
256 x 256 px
Block overlap:
1 px
Total:
15877 x 15877 px
Resolution:
1.016 m

[pulsar lodge]

what do they try to do when it crashes?

edit mask?

[signal drum]

flying over it to fast and while placing stuff but after a few minutes then

[pulsar lodge]

not quite same parameters as with my crash

does not mean they could not be related 😅

but maybe not

[signal drum]

i had a bigger map at somepoint but it was to huge for that what it will be used for

[signal drum]

how much ram do you have?

[pulsar lodge]

64gb

[signal drum]

ohh okay

[mental zinc]

If you just want to get rid of a piece of furniture or two, and don't want to bother to create a prefab, then just move the piece of furniture under the terrain to get rid of it.

[marble skiff]

you can disable bits of furniture or have them show in editor only. @cold crane was more than likely referring to this wiki post: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Prefabs_Basics, i've not had time to go through it yet, but at the bottom of the page, it mentions "Unprefabing", you can select the object and "Break prefab instance", this does what i want, but i'm gonna read the whole doc, at some point 😄

[marble skiff]

yeah, its do-able but a bit tricky, i'll just keep them as they are, roads irl are a mess anyway, excluding those norsko roads @sweet sedge posted, they're lush!

[slender idol]

I wouldn't describe it as tricky

or just fake it with the height texture of your road

[marble skiff]

yeah, just wondering why the road "falloff start width" and "road falloff width" don't push the terrain up when you get into negative values, would be cool if it did, handy for baked spline sculpting imo, but I also really want an editor button that makes me a coffee 😄

[slender idol]

I usually don't use the automatic height adjustment on roads because it makes them perfectly level

[sweet sedge]

bake them and adjust later

[merry robin]

So was working on a terrain and got a bunch done with the terrain being offset (which was done to match a satmap. When the offset is fixed to 0,0,0 character collision works but the work I did dosent match up anymore.
Is there a good way to translate things across or fix the collision?

[slender idol]

terrain always at zero position

adjust everything else, not the terrain position

[merry robin]

yea, tryna figure if I can fix that mistake without redoing a lota thing

[slender idol]

tbh the terrain entity should automatically place itself in zero coords and disable itself from being moved

it's a trap

[merry robin]

ya lol

[slender idol]

just export the height, then load it into new terrain and apply correctly adjusted satmap

[merry robin]

okay wow, so apparently I can select everything and the move tool and it dosent even lag, moving 1000's of trees and objects at once

[slender idol]

with generators you'd just move the splines too

[sweet sedge]

how moving! 🥲