csla_iron_curtain

[thorny hazel]

flying around... so... F-5's are confirmed hmmmmm????

[jolly lantern]

Editor camera

[thorny hazel]

ah damn it

[sour ginkgo]

Note also all the other reviews from that one

[sharp thorn]

Waiting for the DLC got me like

[thorny hazel]

[half dawn]

How to subscribe to closed beta testing

I anyway bought arma and all dlcs twice

take my money 🙂

[half dawn]

plus gifted three full copies

[mortal ice]

a bit too late for that

[half dawn]

I am up for all future dlcs

[mortal ice]

[thorny hazel]

Arent we all up for that hah?

[half dawn]

I know people who do not

[leaden kite]

[half dawn]

many former squad members still have only vanilla and playing mods

[upper galleon]

🍿

[leaden kite]

I think for many people it's simply a matter of money. While I'd argue all DLC are more than worth it, it's still a fair bit of money. Though the frequent sales make it a lot more bearable.
Either way, probably a discussion for #creator_dlc_discussion

[manic steppe]

What times it being released today gents?

[mortal ice]

[manic steppe]

And how much is it

[mortal ice]

thats the big question

[inner lily]

I'm guessing between 15-20 GBP

[manic steppe]

Oh we don't even know? Yikes that's good lol

[mortal ice]

^

[manic steppe]

Marketing level 100 but anyway tis what it is lol

[turbid summit]

it baffles us too as the same review exists for all CDLC but imho it's the review for whole game somehow 'appearing across main game and sub-dlcs'

and only for that curator ... but complaining about forums being restricted only to game owners to avoid spam is really next level of criticism 🤣

[fickle night]

does anyone know how much left to relase?

[mortal ice]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[manic steppe]

No news yet mate

[fickle night]

alrighty

thanks fellas

[thorny hazel]

its really close though

really really close

[manic steppe]

Just keen to know price as it will determine whether people stick with Cold War Rearmed lol

[fickle night]

yeah if utc one is correct 10 minutes

I stick with CWR too

[thorny hazel]

Its probably gonna be similarly priced as sog

[upper galleon]

Stick with CWR and cup. Same assets as CSLA, quite literally.

[thorny hazel]

maybe a lil discount too?

like sog had

[manic steppe]

Sog had discount on release but that was sogs decision I THINK

But they hyped that one a goodun and the cdlc lived up to it

[thorny hazel]

yeah defo

[manic steppe]

This one however has been pretty silent in comparison

[thorny hazel]

but this still lives up to me, since alot of stuff was used by my nations army in the early 90's

so I may give it a shot and make some lil reskins

[manic steppe]

Yea ill probably buy it if it ain't like £25 lol

[thorny hazel]

shouldnt be that much tbh

20-22 me thinks

[twilit iris]

I just say check the compatibility alongside cwr stuff

the quality will show in what overlap there is

[manic steppe]

Yea ^^

[midnight briar]

that whole steam account seems like spam, they just seem to copy paste reviews that have nothing to do with each game across a bunch of games

[royal cloud]

Bald bei Steam
Dieser Artikel ist noch nicht verfügbar

[frigid gorge]

1200 UTC

gibb

[sharp thorn]

No dlc

[nimble dove]

which is even more strange, the guy buys games just to leave a negative review?!

[inner lily]

It will be sometime over the next 2-3 hours I imagine, it is 2pm in central Europe now

[twilit iris]

i think curators might be able to without buying

[next bolt]

It's the countdown to the countdown.

[upper galleon]

I guess it wasn't 12 UTC. since that moment passed 11 minutes a go

[granite crow]

It happens when it happens

No sense in getting worked up. All you can do is hurry up and wait and be excited when it goes up on steam

[inner lily]

is it likely to be released on the hour or could it be anytime

[meager dome]

you people sure it won't be 18:00 like usually?

[frigid gorge]

12 UTC is the usual, no?

[sand bough]

It's out now

[tired adder]

Congratulations to CSLA Studio on their release Have fun everyone!

[next bolt]

Any word on pricing?

[frigid gorge]

Not buyable

[sand bough]

Now

[frigid gorge]

nvm, fixed

[leaden kite]

Congrats

[next bolt]

It's less than 10 bux!

[thorny hazel]

LETS GOO

[barren siren]

go go go

[woeful timber]

You can always select to ignore them no?

Anyways congrats on the release

[upper galleon]

here we gooo

[inner jackal]

Downloading now 🙂

[manic steppe]

Hello stranger

[inner jackal]

S'up?

[little gulch]

No trailer?

[upper galleon]

So the helicopters are the same as in CUP. Shame.

[jolly lantern]

No they are not?

[keen sparrow]

There is a vid on the Steam product page, might be the trailer, but couldn't watch it yet

[manic steppe]

It is yea

[short vortex]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1294440/Arma_3_Creator_DLC_CSLA_Iron_Curtain/

Steam

Arma 3 Creator DLC: CSLA Iron Curtain

Welcome behind the Iron Curtain! Take a look at what life behind the barbed wire could have been like in an alternate universe of the 1980s in Czechoslovakia and its border with West Germany. Ride, fly, or run into battle against your enemy in an all-new lush and mountainous terrain. Conduct large-scale mechanized infantry operations, Special Fo...

Price

$11.69

▶ Play video

[dense jolt]

congrats on release for everyone involved CSLA team

[upper galleon]

Same models, textures and UVs. Compare the CSLA UH-60 to the one in RHS or CUP. They all have the same texture details and mirrored errors. Its a copy paste. :&

[leaden kite]

... wat

[dense jolt]

@upper galleonRHS uh60, despite being A2 model at base, has several modifications over it's original brother

[leaden kite]

it's the same vehicle, it must be a copy-paste

[upper galleon]

Why would they all then have the same "RESCUE" written correctly on their left and mirrored on their right?

[lime zephyr]

How big is the DLC size?

[karmic rose]

w00t! congrats!

[novel kernel]

7.5gb

[lime zephyr]

Thanks mate!

[short vortex]

The Mi17 has different UVs, different, not mirrored camo and vastly updated model. The UH-60 had undergone similar changes as though maybe not so drastic.

[novel kernel]

quite small idk why, must be utilized with other dlcs content

[upper galleon]

So you are admitting its Arma 2 data recycled. Thanks.

[twilit iris]

Technically Arma 3 is a recycled Arma 2, the entire game is built on the engine we've had for awhile

[little gulch]

The motorcycle ❤

Was missing that since A2

[leaden kite]

not very happy with the mirrored UH60 but the models look neat

[supple anvil]

looks great

[scenic cove]

Dunno if you were around for this but there were a BUNCH of people like this in the spring of 2013, complete with someone demanding that Arma 3 be cancelled and Arma 2 be updated instead

[cyan karma]

I remember those times 😄 Good days ^^

[upper galleon]

https://i.imgur.com/UqFN1Ff.jpg

proof

[jolly lantern]

the middle one looks different than the outer ones. Besides of it being a UH-60 in general

[cyan karma]

Because... They used the same technology back in the military... ?

[supple anvil]

lmao yeah just looks like a bunch of UH-60 textures?

[twilit iris]

those are different models

[upper galleon]

Because they clearly all wrote it mirrored "RESCUE" on the one side, and correctly on the other?

[supple anvil]

i dont really care either way, the other content of this cdlc looks amazing lol

[twilit iris]

they all had rescue on the door

[upper galleon]

between different models?

[twilit iris]

thats where the rescue release is

[frigid gorge]

Anybody else insta crashes when selecting any of the guns with a 203?

[upper galleon]

Yes, but why write it MIRRORED on one side?

Too much of a coinkidink between two mods and one paid dlc to all have the exact same art errors

[frigid gorge]

I'll fill the bug report if it's not just me, but want to make sure first

[twilit iris]

it's not an art error, just an arma limitation

it's flipped due to how the textures work

[midnight briar]

lol what?

[upper galleon]

that bs

[midnight briar]

it's not an arma limitation

it just wasn't textured correctly

it's 100% an art error

[upper galleon]

Its flipped because they all are using the arma 2 uh-60 as a base

[midnight briar]

both doors use the same part in the texture

[twilit iris]

the texture flips, vanilla arma 3 also uses that hack

[sour ginkgo]

There's no campaign - correct?

[midnight briar]

I don't think any vanilla vehicles have visible flipped text?

[little gulch]

It's a small detail but I agree that it looks bad because of this

[supple anvil]

because of such a minor thing you can barely notice unless you really focus on it

lol

[short vortex]

Guys, if you think you found a bug or if you have other issues/proposals, please post them to feedback tracker https://feedback.bistudio.com/project/view/59/ or at our discord https://discord.gg/NpG4u7TxrW. The input is valuable for future fixes and possible updates. Thank you 😊

[midnight briar]

it's more so the principle, the fact that it is an Arma 2 asset

people might have issue with that

[little gulch]

If it can be fixed and I think it can be fixed, it should be it then

[supple anvil]

As someone who has tried, it's not an easy fix lol

it may seem like a small, easy thing but it really isn't

[twilit iris]

It’s impossible to fix with the way the texturing works, it would have to be a complete new model

[midnight briar]

no not really

only UV map would need to be changed

and textures adjusted a bit

[little gulch]

Maybe not so easy, but if it's doable, I think it should be done

[midnight briar]

I don't know how the texture is laid out, there's probably space where you could put the UV of the other door

[upper galleon]

the czechs speak english. 🤦‍♂️ gotta get a mod to fix that, too? why couldn't the radio stuff be ported from arma 2?

tried the lav. CUP's LAV-25 textures fit onto CSLA's LAV-25 without any issue.

speechless

[scenic cove]

Remembering that SOGPF did this with some vanilla buildings too...

[dense jolt]

@twilit irisit's not a limitation

@scenic coveactually a lot of the buildings

[supple anvil]

indeed

[scenic cove]

Both A2 and A3 buildings, right?

[dense jolt]

@twilit irisit's very possible to fix, it would not require a new model, please stop typing further if cluless

@scenic coveyes

[strange sphinx]

Congrats CSLA team

[ripe goblet]

what's the new worldname?

[little gulch]

https://youtu.be/gXYmSlkTDZk

[short vortex]

Because it's not complete. You'd need a whole new radio protocol which would require tremendous amount of work on a studio. Not to mention expenses that would in turn raise the price.

[supple anvil]

trueee

I'm hyped about this map

looks amazing

[scenic cove]

why couldn't the radio stuff be ported from arma 2?
People would assuredly complain about that too...

[novel kernel]

I would say the main battle tanks no interiors, the vests and bags textures are stuck before 2013, it need a lot of polish and retextures

[short vortex]

The LAV-25 everyone else is using is a model made by our team over Yani for ArmA 2. While some of the hull textures might fit in general the model is again far from the original. Like, thrall new interior, m240. And multitude of other changes.

[novel kernel]

but

[tidal tundra]

Anyone know where the servers are for multiplayer missions?

[little gulch]

Is there Iron Curtain Warlords?

[novel kernel]

if the upcoming updates can retexture some the things again, I think its another best dlc arma that always can provide

[twilit iris]

Yo I never knew about the RG4

[novel kernel]

some equipment are fantastic, you cant find it in mods

[twilit iris]

being able to use it as a charge or a grenade is weird and soviet as hell

[cunning anchor]

you mean mission or server?

[little gulch]

Server

And mission

[supple anvil]

I love the ragtop pasgt helmet

[cunning anchor]

server isn't on yet, but we have various versions on different parts of the map with different available assets

looking on the mission list rn, we have 8 variants of Warlords

[little gulch]

Why 8?

Warlors is normally the whole map

[cunning anchor]

because we wanted some "more intensive" variants of Warlords for smaller squads/teams ... some of them are "less intensive" and on the whole map, some are more intensive and focused on some selected part of the map

[frigid gorge]

Much stuff is remade Arma 2 content, some very poorly - but way more stuff either completely new, or very well remade

[cunning anchor]

and lite has different asset list as for example full or mini

[frigid gorge]

So definitely worth the price, esp half the price of the other CDLCs

[hollow cloak]

Yeah considering the price point it seems legit, with the caveat that it gets similar post release content as GM

[novel kernel]

yeah the price is legit for sure

[supple anvil]

tbh

The map alone is worth it

[novel kernel]

and you can drift with motorcycles

[upper galleon]

The M203 equipped weapons crash the game when selected in the arsenal, has anyone else encountered this, or is it just me?

[stable yoke]

The terrain is called: Gabreta

[thick parcel]

Same

[cunning anchor]

are you running any mods?

[upper galleon]

Yeah

[dense jolt]

lol

[upper galleon]

So it's a mod conflict?

holy fuk that m86 on a stick is a masive trip mine

A mod war, so to say

[silent ibex]

time to make cold war warfare cti scenarion 😛

[cunning anchor]

try to turn off any mods and launch only CDLC if it happen again or not

[upper galleon]

what is bruh moment

[upper galleon]

Same crash

is this like glob mob are they going to add more stuff? if not im sorely disappointed.

[ripe goblet]

thanks, stozec

[cunning anchor]

Q: Are updates planned for the cDLC?
A: Whether official updates to the cDLC happen is again up to BI approval. Anyway, there are undisclosed plans within CSLA Studio to expand the content of the cDLC further after release if BI approves.

from our FAQ - https://discord.gg/pwcnxs7d

[timid quartz]

Nice hangars but there are no planes to put in them?

[scenic cove]

Could try verifying, I'm not getting any CTD when using the CSLA Iron Curtain M16A2 + M203 GL without mods

[twilit iris]

the an-2

[keen sparrow]

I think there is a AN-2, but yeah, no planes besides the AN-2 yet.

[timid quartz]

AN-2 from Arma 2 you mean, that doesn't really need to be in a reinforced hangar lmao

[keen sparrow]

True.

[twilit iris]

you can use GM to properly simulate the autobahn takeoffs tho, the west german airstrip is built into the highway

[frigid gorge]

Same

[sharp thorn]

Right, I'm gonna say it. This feels like an extremely elaborate CUP reskin. Weapons have little to no unique sounds and seem to just be updated CUP ports from Arma 2, some weapons don't even have animations or their animations are so off sync it's not funny. Uniforms themselves look like the old Unsung gear from A1/A2 which is very disappointing. Vehicles do however feel weighty and I'm happy with that considering most feel like they're on ice but again, they feel like CUP ports. The weapons don't feel punchy and they just don't... Idk, feel alive. Vehicles feel like reskins of default Arma 3 stuff

But, the map is pretty cool

[upper galleon]

Has this dlc his own main menu like sog dlc or contact dlc?

[frigid gorge]

Not as much as priery fire

[sharp thorn]

Saying the DLC is a Glob Mob reskin is giving Glob Mob way to little credit to what they actually pulled off with a lot of things having to be made from scratch, actually, scratch that, most of the stuff they had to make.

[frigid gorge]

They don't completely break it

[sharp thorn]

Ye it do, pretty neat track

[frigid gorge]

But they removed the "3 big buttons"

[sharp thorn]

Only use the Ace Arsenal, the animations for it are same as CUP, even on the... Czech AK

idk what it's called don't execute me

[keen sparrow]

too late (Its called Vz. 58)

[sharp thorn]

Yep that's right

[leaden kite]

People are talking some mad shit for something that costs 12 dollars and features a campaign, scenarios and a map, even if you ignore the new units and items.

[sharp thorn]

I'm talking mad shit because it's fucking cup reskined with some added shit

[cyan karma]

Campaign isn't present

[sharp thorn]

Scenarios

There's a campaign

[leaden kite]

oh mb. scratch the campaign bit

[supple anvil]

the map tho

[sharp thorn]

It feels like a widened and more fleshed out Livonia

[leaden kite]

It's a great map IMO.

[scenic cove]

If anyone's using the Scope (FAL) its 'close quarters sight' point of aim is the left edge (from first-person aiming view) of the (dial? knob?) on the top

[sharp thorn]

Oh lord, don't mention the FAL

[supple anvil]

very, love the diversity in it especially with the towns

[sharp thorn]

I curled up and died

[scenic cove]

Just their logo replacing the official A3 logo, and as T00T said removing the three big buttons

[supple anvil]

i like the civilian cars as well

very nice to speed around

[west schooner]

kinda wished we had more customization with the vics humvees with m2's earlier versions of m113's maybe some planes C-130 with NATO camo ect. kind of also wished the Airborne and special forces had more vest variants, pasgt helmets with goggles, and the special forces uniform thats woodland but i do like the map.

[leaden kite]

In the end, you're paying indie game money for this, so you should lower the expectations compared to GloMo and SOG.
That being said, I do agree with some of the skins being a bit lazy in terms of mirroring. I have yet to test the guns and anims.

[scenic cove]

Hunting rifle has the scope 'as part of the weapon' just like A2, no option to detach it

[leaden kite]

I love the buildings

they even come with furnishing

[echo sluice]

“They made environments look lived in”

[simple quiver]

cup has replaced almost all of the weapons from a2 with new models

[scenic cove]

Can't mount the Silencer (M16) to the M16 Car. + M203 GL or the M16A2 + M203 GL despite no obvious-to-me visual obstruction where the tube and the suppressor would collide visually

[leaden kite]

hold up, the beret has ballistic protection 🤨

[simple quiver]

the uk59 and dragon are two of the last survivors from a2

[sharp thorn]

I mcrealise this, however, I'm saying it feels like a CUP port my man

[leaden kite]

Same goes for some of the caps. I assume this is an error, considering it is inconsistent

[upper galleon]

I had think its so that i can use it in combo with the SOG dlc

[simple quiver]

idk what 'a CUP port' means

[echo sluice]

Cup port meaning he feels like they just put cup and called it a dlc

Isn’t that hard to figure out

[simple quiver]

cup binned most of the a2 weapon models tho

[frigid gorge]

"cup port" = a2

You mightve removed them all

But first impressions live long

[broken bloom]

So what you mean is 'Arma 2 port' right?

[west schooner]

so to me the shape of the US uniforms resemble CUP uniform models, but that said i kind of dig the old school classic look of the CUP uniforms and A2 uniforms

[simple quiver]

guess i should be happy cup ports are set apart from all other ports roaming around 🙃

[midnight briar]

why the hell does the FAL have two round burst??

[fickle night]

Only thing gets me off right now is weapon sounds

especially for M16s and M60

[leaden kite]

Clothing choices are good, however the load capacity seems very inconsistent and some helmets have ballistic protection when they really shouldn't

"MPV"
I see what you did there.

[scenic cove]

Also noticing inconsistencies with weapon attachment choices in other primary weapons too, e.g. the Sa-58P and Sa-58V can both take a Bayonet or a Bipod, but only the Sa-58P can take optics (NPSU (Sa-58) and ZD 4x8° (Sa-58))... meaning that the Sa-58 VG-70 can't take attachments at all

[frigid gorge]

Wow, driveable civilians cars

[upper galleon]

well uh at the very least I hope this gets people interested in more coldwar groups

[frigid gorge]

Thought that was to much work for a CDLC))

[little gulch]

Ok, it seems like a no buy for me

[manic steppe]

https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/o14mrd/csla_and_cup_share_assets_11_paid_mod_confirmed/

[leaden kite]

weapon sounds seem fine.
I think most of the issues named today could be fixed within one patch.

[scenic cove]

Yup, the issues I described above seem like a config mod should be enough to resolve them... although I confess to some 'huh?' at optics being weapon-specific

[leaden kite]

I guess whomever was doing the configs that day was on too little sleep and too much coffee <insert @mortal ice's emote he always uses here>

[cyan karma]

If CUP_models can be replaced with new own ones that would be great as a patch 1.1

[mortal ice]

[leaden kite]

^- that one.. those ones..?

[echo sluice]

LMFAO

[frigid gorge]

Redditors seething

[leaden kite]

I think that for the money you pay, you shouldn't really expect brand-spanking new models for everything. I can tell that the map ate a lot of resources (read: money)

the new textures are definitely appreciated, save for some oversights in the mirroring department.
The rest really is just config issues which can be solved in a day.

That being said, ofc I hope that the situation on all fronts will improve.

[frigid gorge]

Let's see them compare Cup T-72)

[keen sparrow]

My take:
It should not have released or even be accepted to be a cDLC in the first place. It is very underwhelming compared to either GM or S.O.G PF.
It fails to add new reloads, sounds or high-quality equipment and weapons. I do not want to sound like a guy and say “it is just a mod” but it is. Telling from the original gameplay of CSLA when it was still a mod (I think), it did not change at all.
If I would compare to a mod like CUP or RHS in terms of said quality (some assets are good, but not many), there will be no winner at all. CLSA also uses some A2 assets (example would be the map assets). I’d say this is also not good, as a) the quality isn’t there and b) we already got those assets through mods which have most of the time the same quality or better and are not anymore A2 models.
Let’s talk about the weapons, they are using “only” standard A3 reloads as far as I can and some of them are wrong too. Such as the reload of the Czech LMG or the Scorpio.
1/2

[frigid gorge]

Or lav

[keen sparrow]

And their sound is also mainly or as far as I can tell standard Arma sounds which are a bit underwhelming in my opinion, but might work for the most people idk.
The vehicles are also not great, some of them are still on par with CUP or RHS (which both don’t use really any A2 models anymore) in terms of quality like the UH-60 (which only got slightly modifications to it) or the LAV IIRC. The interiors themselves are not great but not the end of the world, would have liked better textures overall. But CLSA does add new vehicles which a great nevertheless.
The map is overall a nice addition to the game, it’s big and can be used for a lot of different scenarios, but as mentioned above, it uses (I presume at least) A2 assets which I do not like in terms of their quality.
There is a lack of placeable structures in the editor such as buildings that the map Gabreta uses. It would also be nice to have them added.
The uniforms are also not on par with the rest of Arma 3 itself or the released cDLCs.
It would have been good if there would be a better and more unforgiving control about the content in a cDLC for future creator DLCs, because for now, the reviews are not good at all.
2/2

[frigid gorge]

Or anything else that is way better

[leaden kite]

It is very underwhelming compared to either GM or S.O.G PF.
you pay basically half the money for it.

[echo sluice]

Bad take. Imagine spending money for something thats free

[leaden kite]

I personally prefer giving creators money.

[echo sluice]

It isn’t even like CoD or A2 reusing assets. This group literally ripped and sold again

[frigid gorge]

"ripped"
A2 assets are 'open source'

[keen sparrow]

Doesn't mean it can't be underwhelming with the price cut. I still wouldn't justify it with half the price at all.

[frigid gorge]

The CDLC has alot of content that no other mod has

[unborn adder]

I'd pay like

[frigid gorge]

Costs next to nothing

[unborn adder]

50 cent and half a yorkie bar

[leaden kite]

it uses (I presume at least) A2 assets
the map uses original assets from what I can tell. Or at least I do not remember these assets being in A2

[frigid gorge]

Ofcourse comparing it to something like rhs will have rhs be a winner, but rhs would've also been a CDLC if it came out today

[graceful wedge]

++

[unreal marlin]

uh, so i saw on the steampage that the dlc has mostly negative reviews, is it really that bad?

[frigid gorge]

The CDLC has lots of content that doesn't exist anywhere, lots of content that is way more improved than anywhere else

[leaden kite]

I'd say it's "mixed"

[keen sparrow]

Try the compat data and see for yourself.

[frigid gorge]

And some stuff that are same as cup/a2

[leaden kite]

there's definitely issues and some "uhh" things about it, but I would still argue it's worth the money. Of course, some would disagree.

[frigid gorge]

For 10$/half the price of previous DLCs

Also compared to cup - there are also 19 or so (most likely) very well made missions

Again, all the complainers will cry about "A2 rpg, A2 mi17" etc

But ignore all the things that are incredibly better

So instead of listening to the same loud people who cried at gm - download compat patch and see for yourself

[leaden kite]

I think that if I were to weigh what you're paying for:
40% map
20% missions
20% new textures
20% new assets

but ofc if you wanna compare it to a full-price cDLC, you're only 50% of the way there in terms of the money

[frigid gorge]

Depends on preference

[fickle night]

I just bought it for M1IP alone 😄

[frigid gorge]

For me the Abrams, lav, t72, and all other vics are 50$ alone

[twilit iris]

the map is worth double price to me

[frigid gorge]

Like with GM, Vehicles > infantry

[twilit iris]

feel like im getting it at a steal

[frigid gorge]

Atleast imo

[graceful wedge]

The map is very nice

[twilit iris]

i mean how much are dayz guys paying for the livonia map

just the map makes me happy

[leaden kite]

I'm comparing to GM/SOG in terms of money.

Ofc SOG and GM both have a lot more unique assets but then again consider this:
If they had stripped all the A2 assets, they still could've asked for the same money and it still would've met the value proposition

[frigid gorge]

Same can be said for sog

It's funny how I'm seeing alot of same people hate on csla and gm, but not saying much on sog. Kinda makes you think 🤔

[keen sparrow]

Well, its Vietnam, people like it, because 'Nam I guess.

[unreal marlin]

hate on gm? i loved gm its great for MilSim

[timid quartz]

Where is the campaign?

[leaden kite]

Scenarios, sherm

[unreal marlin]

vietnam is just amazing

[keen sparrow]

There is none IIRC.

[frigid gorge]

No campaign, 19 missions I believe

[fading snow]

There is none only Singeplayer Scenarios and Multiplayer Scenarios

[twilit iris]

where was a campaign promised?

[timid quartz]

Optionally, players can download a trial version from the Workshop which is intended to be used for multiplayer compatibility purposes. The terrains and campaign are not fully accessible however, and vehicles cannot be driven or commanded outside of the editor without purchasing the DLC.

https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/CSLA_Iron_Curtain

[unreal marlin]

jesus calm down, they just asked. no need to start beef

[smoky prawn]

that's a third party source?

[leaden kite]

you find the missions under scenarios

[scenic cove]

Pretty much what I thought was going on with that CDLC as soon as it was announced 🤷

[smoky prawn]

campaign is not mentioned on steam page

[frigid gorge]

Armed assault wiki, also looks like a copy paste from all the other CDLC compat files place

[timid quartz]

Literally saw like 15 people talk about campaigns in the last 5 minutes lol

[timid quartz]

^

[timid quartz]

^

so confused

[leaden kite]

@timid quartz

[frigid gorge]

Seems like

Choosing your messages suits you

[leaden kite]

was my mistake

[smoky prawn]

campaign is not mentioned on steam store page, don't make up things that are not promised 😄

[keen sparrow]

Well I am sure it was mentioned some times, not sure where. I start digging.

[leaden kite]

guys, he's just confused, no need to grab pitchforks.

[fading snow]

Calm down guys no need to start beef because you have differing opinions that just perspective and should be viewed as such. Just accept it and make your own mind.

[leaden kite]

misunderstandings happen

[smoky prawn]

same thing in the announcement, https://arma3.com/news/arma-3-creator-dlc-csla-iron-curtain-is-out-now

[upper galleon]

it is now very negative, assume yes.

[frigid gorge]

Bombed same way gm was on release

[graceful wedge]

sadly

[twilit iris]

i mean gm is still mixed reviews

[timid quartz]

nah GM never reached 20%

[echo sluice]

They’re just debating tho

[frigid gorge]

Guess the haters couldn't unit as well

[leaden kite]

I mean I think it would be fair to see the DLC at "mixed" in its present state. But I wouldn't say it's horrible either.

[timid quartz]

its at 18% rn actually

[fading snow]

Yes but if you read a few messages it looks like it's about close to erupt like a volcano if you get me 😄

[smoky prawn]

If you want to test it you can try the compat as well, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2503886780

[next bolt]

GM got mixed reviews at the start, but there was no doubt that it was a labour of love and you can see that in the quality through out the content in GM be it models, textures, or even the music. I'm struggling to see where all the love went in IC.

[leaden kite]

Like I said, I believe that most of the money went towards the map, where you can definitely see a lot of love. Furnishings just being part of that.
Textures and original assets are a relatively small part compared to that

[scenic cove]

Mind, GM's reputation was helped in hindsight by the post-launch support... let's not apply nostalgia filters

[leaden kite]

yeah

[midnight briar]

the buildings being furnished is really weird

[inner cloud]

Is CSLA worth it

[midnight briar]

A3 didn't do that for a reason

that reason hasn't like, gone away or something

[frigid gorge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2503886780

Check it out yourself

[next bolt]

I see commies in DLC, I buy.

[leaden kite]

It's a "hell meh". If you're in it for the map, cool! Get it.
If not, then you need to check for yourself

[bold mulch]

any chance to have the map available for playing to people that don't have the "mod"?

[frigid gorge]

No

[smoky prawn]

you can test it in editor but not play on it

[scenic cove]

Nope, just like the previous CDLCs and Bohemia Interactive's own terrains

[bold mulch]

okay

[inner cloud]

i wouldn’t want it for the map, i would want it for the vehicles/assets and weapons

[scenic cove]

Super-subjective atm... as you'll see above, plenty of compliments for the terrain but you should follow T00T's link and see for yourself about the guns/gear/vehicles... also, no SP campaign (yet)

[bold mulch]

the map is the only thing people like in it.

[upper galleon]

I'm sure if you give it some time someone will do a full youtube review of it, hopefully.

[leaden kite]

in that case it becomes a bit harder. I highly suggest you try it out yourself

[sonic pendant]

Some are very nice, some are… “meh”.

[scenic cove]

Rather, the only thing that people definitely like

[upper galleon]

Though the reviews are saying quite a lot if you read em'. (:

[inner cloud]

when i saw the pictures for it, it looked just like CUP stuff tbh

[bold mulch]

12 bucks is kinda lot for one, but it's decent enough to pay for it

[midnight briar]

if it's worth it for you is entirely dependant on if you're okay with it having a lot of A2 assets that have been slightly updated

[leaden kite]

"a lot"..?

[supple anvil]

also a really nice terrain

[leaden kite]

well, okay. 30% can be considered a lot depending on your POV

[frosty grove]

[wild saffron]

[inner cloud]

yeah i read the reviews gonna have to pass on this DLC, i had good hopes for it but :/

[leaden kite]

like we said repeatedly

try it for yourself and make your own decision

[inner cloud]

arma 2 assets retextured and nothing that free mods already don’t do or have, i don’t really see a point in downloading it

[frigid gorge]

Don't read reviews. Get your own opinion by using the free version on the workshop lmao

[leaden kite]

well. If that's what you gathered from the reviews, the reviews are incorrect.

[frigid gorge]

There is alot in the CDLC that mod don't already have

[scenic cove]

There are a bunch of Czechoslovak-specific vehicles that afaik haven't been in A3 mods yet

[inner cloud]

oh okay

[upper galleon]

the apologists have arrived

[frigid gorge]

We where here before the cry babies

[scenic cove]

the reason you may be thinking nothing that free mods already don’t do or have is because to be blunt CSLA Studio is afaik the only group that ever did this setting for A3

[twilit iris]

I also like the m1008 for america

[scenic cove]

By which I meant 'Cold War Czechoslovakia'...

[inner cloud]

didnt arma 2 have czech republic DLC

oh wait that modern

[timid quartz]

Yea but not cold war I dont think

[inner cloud]

yeah

[scenic cove]

Yup, two entirely settings and militaries

[twilit iris]

yea most of the czech vehicles arent present anywhere else

[inner cloud]

yeah i realize

i guess i’ll download it later and see, don’t have very high expectations tho

[scenic cove]

To be frank this was (supposed to be) the appeal of this DLC besides the terrain

[frigid gorge]

Vics that no mod has, or has in way worse quality:
Almost all the Czech vehicles, OT-62, OT-65, The AA vic, arty vic, etc
M1IP
LAV-25
T-72s, M, M1
M1008
V3S
Armoured V3S
Armoured "UAZ"s
Some statics
Two bunkers & two towers

Maybe some I forgot

[twilit iris]

All the support trucks

[frigid gorge]

Yeah, forgot the V3S'

[timid quartz]

Veteran mod has Armored UAZs, LAV-25

[twilit iris]

I especially love the lizard

[frigid gorge]

The US trucks aren't as good for me to say they're better than other places

[inner cloud]

i have always found CDLC’s have really good map assets that are rlly good for missions

[frigid gorge]

I don't count veteran

[timid quartz]

Why can we not spawn down any of the buildings from the DLC outside of some military ones?

[scenic cove]

And I noticed that 'hey, the gun truck that ISN'T a Zu-23 on an Ural!'

[timid quartz]

[upper galleon]

wait people wanted non-US assets??

liar

[frigid gorge]

because most people cant use it due to their game changes

[leaden kite]

The main selling points for this are the map, which is furnished and very detailed in general, as well as the handling of the vehicles and the (50%?) original assets.

[twilit iris]

I can guess in a dlc called CSLA yes

[inner cloud]

for US stuff just get 3CB lol

[frosty grove]

[frigid gorge]

3CB Factions?

[inner cloud]

ye

[frigid gorge]

Not really well made at all

Literally A2 in many cases

[inner cloud]

it’s fine for cold war US

[upper galleon]

Ive never even heard of Czechoslovakia until now, still don't believe they existed.

[timid quartz]

So... this cDLC and 3CB have something in common? A lot of the new Czech vehicles are awesome but there is a ton of A2 quality struff

[inner cloud]

lol

[frigid gorge]

No

[broken bloom]

Is the CSLA RPG-7 just the Apex RPG-7 repackaged and resold...? 😅

[frigid gorge]

Almost no vehicles are "A2 quality stuff"

Half of the infantry gear is through

I would say 90+% of the vics are way better than most other places, def better than A2

[timid quartz]

Did anyone notice the "Rescue" on the Blackhawks is mirrored on one side?

[inner cloud]

but infantry gear is the most important

[supple anvil]

yes we have been over this

[frigid gorge]

Did anybody care?

[scenic cove]

idk about that, but the PGO-7V is welcome compared to Apex's lack thereof

[leaden kite]

Yeah, I complained about it a bit earlier on

[frigid gorge]

Cuz tbh - that rescue on the blackhawk is by far the least of its worries

[broken bloom]

Compare the wooden 'stock' on the Apex RPG-7 vs CSLA RPG-7.

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854752887920656424/unknown.png and I mean. I know which one I'd pick, personally.

[frigid gorge]

The blackhawk is by far the worst vehicle of them all

[broken bloom]

The textures are essentially 1:1.

[leaden kite]

agreed

[upper galleon]

Too bad that the M16 that has the m203 crashes the game

[timid quartz]

What about the motorbikes? They are 1/1 copies

[frigid gorge]

Almost all of the assets are from A2

Just that they have been given different changes

the Motorbike doesn't need to be fancy and incredible

Because you don't buy a DLC for a motorbike

[manic steppe]

Guys guys do this

Load cup weapons and shoot the m16a2
Then Load this DLC and shoot the m16a2

The cdlc sounds are flat and dull
Cup has a punch to it

[inner cloud]

the motorcycles in arma dknt even work

[frigid gorge]

The important stuff that most players will use and experience is that matters more

[compact heart]

I can't believe bohemia cleared this dlc for release

[leaden kite]

I mean. In the end you have to ask yourself the following:

Is the map and the original assets that are in there worth 12 bucks to you? If the answer is yes, cool, you also get some "free" A2 assets. If not, then well shit.

[scenic cove]

After the 'it was decided after the beta that this CDLC needed more time in the oven' delay, at that :/

[timid quartz]

But why add it in then? 🤔

[broken bloom]

Some of the CSLA weapon sounds are from the Arma 3 Alpha, like the M16.

[frigid gorge]

Because it's relevant

To the CDLC

Why not add it?

[broken bloom]

Also the mortar shells produce a rocket 'flyby' sound.

[manic steppe]

This

[timid quartz]

Because it's from 2009 bro

this is 2021

[frigid gorge]

Or you think PF shouldn't add the Type-56 either?

Cuz that one is from 2009 too

[timid quartz]

Like, I fucking LOVE Arma but you can't say this isn't ridiculous

[leaden kite]

Because why not? I don't think it's bad to add something if your value proposition is already met. This way you don't force people to download CUP on top of it

[frigid gorge]

Kinda the main weapon of the "enemy" in that CDLC

[scenic cove]

Copy-pasting SunCZu from the CSLA Discord:We did not want to clutter the editor too much so we included only some of the military buildings. We're open to ideas what you think should in the editor. Though we will most likely not put all the houses in there.

[frigid gorge]

My message above is the answer to that

[broken bloom]

...That model was made in latter half of the 2010s.

[frigid gorge]

Yeah and I am a ballerina dancer

[broken bloom]

Arma 2 models mostly come from 2005 to 2009.

[timid quartz]

Been promoting, supporting and praising it to everyone who wanted to hear for almost a decade, but this is ridiculous and they deserve to know that it is, the Store reviews don't lie

[frigid gorge]

If it's made in 2017 idk what to say, it looks before 2010

[manic steppe]

Agreed

[timid quartz]

But then there are 10 Alice backpacks that are the exact same in the arsenal 🤷‍♂️

[frigid gorge]

My point wasn't when it's made either

"It's already in another mod, why add it?"

[manic steppe]

Unfortunately with all due respect I will be refunding this and sticking with CWR

[broken bloom]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden kite]

Like I've said. I think it would be fair to give this a "mixed" review. Atm I'd give it a 6.5/10 mostly because of the map. But likewise, I don't think it's a 2/10 as steam currently suggests.

[frigid gorge]

That is literally Arma 1 lmao

[leaden kite]

even if you ignore the map, it'd still be around a 4/10

[manic steppe]

Better quality lol

[frigid gorge]

No

[leaden kite]

and that's me looking at it pragmatically and ignoring A2 assets entirely

[frigid gorge]

CWR is arguably worse quality that Arma 1

Because of how much it stands out comapred to everything around it

[inner cloud]

have you... played that game?

[manic steppe]

Ah I'd disagree but we both have different opinions I don't wish to get into a yes it is no it isn't battle bud :)

[frigid gorge]

Have you seen CWR?

[inner cloud]

yes

[frigid gorge]

That is my answer to you too then

[keen sparrow]

CWR3 I think right?

[frigid gorge]

Yes

[inner cloud]

mhm

[keen sparrow]

It's better.

[manic steppe]

Imo CWR is on par with a lot of mods I have no issue with it

That's my opinion

[supple anvil]

honestly i dont see the issue with csla, it adds more content and assets to fool around with, a nice map and all that, and for just 12 bucks, plus you're supporting small developers

[tidal tundra]

COOP feels real buggy, cant find the last guy in a cleaning op

[supple anvil]

cant wait for future updates

[inner cloud]

CWR3=free, CSLA=paid

CWR3 also has campaign

[frigid gorge]

"CWR is on par with alot of mods" lmao

[leaden kite]

I'm mostly d'accord but I think it's fair to criticize it for feeling a bit "lazy" or "rushed"

[manic steppe]

Toot I'm not getting into a debate about it we both have opinions that's cool

[cunning anchor]

launch sector scan via GUI

[keen sparrow]

It is. I'd the alone the Cobra Helicopter is a dead give a way.

[frigid gorge]

Cobra is the only good vehicle in it

[compact heart]

I hope that the CSLA devs update it and fix many of its issues. If not I'm going to be quite pissed

[frigid gorge]

Even then - not the best cobra on the workshop

[inner cloud]

i bet it was rushed, maybe in time they will polish those A2 assets or replace them

[supple anvil]

absolutely fair to criticize, but to absolutely lambaste it like some seem to be doing is silly

[leaden kite]

but criticizing it does not equal 20% on steam personally.

[frigid gorge]

CSLA wasn't rushed

[timid quartz]

at least it has a Cobra, this dlc doesn't

[inner cloud]

that’s just sad then..

[frigid gorge]

The devs wanted to rlease it a year ago

So it is quite oposite of "rushed"

[keen sparrow]

Thats true.

[bold mulch]

didn't they have more time than Savage tho?

[frigid gorge]

Since back then, it was even worse

[keen sparrow]

Affirm, at least people said that from screens.

[inner cloud]

good thing about mods, you can download another mod that has a great cobra

[timid quartz]

And thank god they didn't or the reviews would be in single digits rn

[broken bloom]

yea

[frigid gorge]

"Reviews matter"

[timid quartz]

Reviews matter a lot lmao

[leaden kite]

well, I would say it needs another patch cycle, though. To be what I would deem "release-worthy" (in this context meaning people being generally happy with it)

[timid quartz]

Are you new to Steam?

[frigid gorge]

Are you clueless? I guess i know the answer already

[bold mulch]

I wish Bohemia would simply hire the cDLC "partners", teach themselves how to do certain things and release a proper DLC

[inner cloud]

iff i see a game that has mostly negative, i won’t even bother to look at it

[bold mulch]

instead of this...

thing

[frigid gorge]

This isn't random game #5893, communities wil lget the CDLC regardless of reviews

[timid quartz]

bullshit

[upper galleon]

This CDLC was in development for over 7 years

[bold mulch]

mega bruh moment

[frigid gorge]

By two people (or 3?)

I understand that most of Arma is American players so they only care about US black hawks and Vietnam, but many places and communities aren't full of Americans

[inner cloud]

these guys got paid to make this while modders make better or equal content for free 😂

[keen sparrow]

6-8+ IIRC, GM was made by two

[bold mulch]

what is that argument?

[frigid gorge]

Nvm then

[bold mulch]

it's not about the theatre of war

[leaden kite]

pet peeve, I fucking hate that everything is just US

[bold mulch]

it's about quality of assets you spend money on

[frigid gorge]

Since it's very clear who disliked this CDLC same as GM with the same reasons, but ignored shortcommings of PF

[frosty grove]

[frigid gorge]

You'd expect that, but not the case

[timid quartz]

Tell us who disliked it?

[inner cloud]

GM was made by 2 people but GM is actually really nice other than the campaign

[frigid gorge]

When same peopel say "GM is low quality"

[wild saffron]

[broken bloom]

That's not how that works

[frigid gorge]

It is, arma isn't a fresh trendy game

[compact heart]

people actually say that?

[frigid gorge]

Still do

[scenic cove]

That was a recurring criticism of it at launch

[keen sparrow]

What if I say, that PF and CSLA weren't good. (But I don't really wan't to dive into it.

[bold mulch]

and before last two updates

[frosty grove]

[upper galleon]

Nope, I had the same issue, status access violation

[frigid gorge]

I'd agree that they both have issues, but it's about choosing what parts of it you like

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854755929211535400/unknown.png Again, I do believe I know which one I'd pick out of these 2

[inner cloud]

true, but i never cared for PF in the first place

[keen sparrow]

Well, Campaign is good enough I'd say. Tank mission not so great, but worked out for me atleast. Liked the intro and the briefing a lot as a german.

[frigid gorge]

Is fair, but I'm reffering to the masses, especially the ones spamming the negative reviews

[timid quartz]

I wouldn't want to be any potential next cDLC in line after this release

[frigid gorge]

I didn't after PF

Luckily CSLA didn't fuck up as much as they did

[keen sparrow]

Debatable.

[frigid gorge]

As the menu isn't broken and the base game bullet values aren't changed

[celest thistle]

is csla worth of buying?

[compact heart]

absolutely not

[frosty grove]

[keen sparrow]

Test out the compat data and make a mind of yourself.

[supple anvil]

download the free thing and try it

[sonic pendant]

Do you like UAZs?

[bold mulch]

if you want a map then yeah

if you want assets - no

[scenic cove]

What Julius and Jish said, so far people are liking the terrain a bunch

[supple anvil]

anyways this just seems like a "no my stick is longer than your stick!!!11111!" argument at this point lol

very pointless

very dead-ended

very toxic

[thorn bone]

For me, the map is one of the strongest points for buying CSLA. It's very nice.

[celest thistle]

what about the campaign? that;s what im most interested

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854756581933318144/unknown.png UAZ comparison

[frigid gorge]

Since in the end of the day - I am paying 10$ for the M1 arbams, the LAV-25, and the T-72, with all the Czech fancy vehicles sprinkled on top of it

[compact heart]

I agree, the map is quite good

[scenic cove]

There's no SP campaign, only ten SP scenarios and MP contents (a total of nineteen when including variations)

[frigid gorge]

SInce it's not an argument that those assets exist nowhere, or nowhere in the same quiality

And add the map to that - definitely worth it

[twilit iris]

I really like the otter, heavily modified BRDM

[next bolt]

Maps good, as long as it is supported as well as gm has been then I am sure most issues will be resolved in time.

[wild saffron]

I only buy it because of the map to be fair.

[twilit iris]

It's got a recoiless gun or something

[celest thistle]

ok so it is not worth it then

[leaden kite]

"only 10".. what

[frigid gorge]

I am not fully sure on this, somebody correct me if I am wrong pelase

But aren't CDLCs "forced" to update

[scenic cove]

What VigilVindex said

[frigid gorge]

So they will be supported and updated, regardless of what

[keen sparrow]

Nope, as far as I know they aren't forced to maintain service at all.

[frigid gorge]

Alright, nvm then

[leaden kite]

They aren't, no. Though they have said already that they will

[scenic cove]

fwiw apparently Vertexmacht ran into the 'we'll update if Bohemia lets us' issue early on... it's just that people liked the post-launch updates and have since incorporated them into their view of that CDLC

[frigid gorge]

Then I'll say that the Devs said in their discord that there will be updates in the future, atleast planned to be

[tidal tundra]

The map is worth the $10. Everything else is jank

[twilit iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671576681932128256/854757151540510730/unknown.png not kidding, I kinda like the csla over GM

[frigid gorge]

Most who I know who complain about CSLA/GM claim that Apex is very good. Wonder if people see it the same way here

[sonic pendant]

The SKOT is nicer too

[leaden kite]

I must say, it does bother me to some extent that 2 cdlc come up with the same vehicle but they somehow look different

[frigid gorge]

Also look at the customisation options

[twilit iris]

I'm excited to get my unit emblem into it

[keen sparrow]

The second time actually Same goes with the MI-2 of GM and S.O.G PF

[frigid gorge]

All 3 CDLCs

[frigid gorge]

What he said ^

[leaden kite]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[frigid gorge]

Through in that case - the newer CDLC was worse than older

That Mi-2 made me cry inside

[scenic cove]

GM had a SKOT equivalent?

[frigid gorge]

Yeah

Literally an OT-62

[scenic cove]

Oh whoops

[frigid gorge]

Added with Poles in first update

Though imo the GM skot is better

But they are both really good regardless

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854757904023027732/unknown.png LAV comparison

[twin grotto]

I have liked all CDLCs so far but im not sure about this one, the map is nice but the assets seem kinda meh to me

[frigid gorge]

Most important part is the interior

[leaden kite]

which is fair. Overall, I would agree that it's a bit lackluster

[frigid gorge]

As that is what you're seeing for most of the time you play

[scenic cove]

In that case up to you how much the map is worth to you money-wise out of the current price (in USD $11.69)

[timid quartz]

Show me the tank interior

[scenic cove]

someone said it was worth $10 to them

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854758180717068328/unknown.png CSLA LAV (editor, this is NOT full res)

[frigid gorge]

Show me RHS' tank interior

Oh wait, they don't even have one

[twin grotto]

you dont have to pay for rhs

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854758321310924820/unknown.png RHS LAV (editor, this is NOT full res)

[frigid gorge]

You don't have to pay for CSLA, free compat on the workshop

[midnight briar]

but the tanks don't have interiors

[frigid gorge]

RHS.. LAV?

[timid quartz]

Pretty sure you cant use assets without watermarks then?

[keen sparrow]

Yes, same restrictions as all DLCs.

[frigid gorge]

If you don't like the interior you don't really need to be inside it

[leaden kite]

Might be 3CB, sry

[frigid gorge]

Yeah, is 3CB Factions

[midnight briar]

3cb LAV is the one with the interior

[leaden kite]

I should mention the following: The CSLA LAV has a full interior.
The other does not

[timid quartz]

there are no tank interiors in this paid DLC, that you just compared to a FREE MOD

[twilit iris]

GM has no tank interiors either

[frigid gorge]

They have usable interiors

[supple anvil]

"my stick is longer than your stick!!1!!"

[frigid gorge]

For driver and commander always, and sometimes for gunner

in the tanks

[midnight briar]

3d viewport is not an interior

[frigid gorge]

They aren't pretty through

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854758671426519040/unknown.png 3CB

[copper monolith]

But... we do.

[timid quartz]

TooT talked about RHS, not GM

[leaden kite]

I have found that 99% of the time it corresponds

[twilit iris]

ouch, havent seen it in awhile

[leaden kite]

Fine, I'll get into it

[frigid gorge]

I am just going to the argument the crying people are doing - "why use this when there is one for free"

There is no free M1, interiors or no interiors

[manic steppe]

https://streamable.com/dbthc1
Comparison video on m16a2 gun noises

[broken bloom]

Because it's a paid product that people are paying for, and people are not satisfied with the product they spent their money on...?

[keen sparrow]

Doesn't the new CUP Abrams atleast include one (Not released yet)? Well, diffrent time period, but you know what I mean.

[frigid gorge]

It's M1's

[twilit iris]

luckily they all had the chance to try it for free with the compatibility

[frigid gorge]

But yes, you're correct

[fathom ocean]

pretty sure cwr 3 has m1 with 105

[frigid gorge]

I believe htey have the newest M1A1 and M1A2s

[frigid gorge]

It is also straight outa Arma 1 with how it looks

[simple quiver]

cup has new abrams models with full interiors

[celest thistle]

i dont understand these cDLCs phenomenon. If I wanted some cars and a map to drive them somewhere i would download one of bilion mods available on steam workshop. I bought GM but it had kind of a campaign.

[inner cloud]

there is many free abrams what

[simple quiver]

only in dev tho

[frigid gorge]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[broken bloom]

People can complain about a product they paid for, you don't have to whiteknight...

[frigid gorge]

No M1 Abrams compareable to CSLAs, but you're right - forgot CWR3, mb

[inner cloud]

RHS has M1’s

[frigid gorge]

No

[upper galleon]

if ur looking for a free m1 abrams with interiors, rhs 🤷🏻‍♂️

[scenic cove]

If you mean in the sense of why CDLC is happening at all... there weren't mods out there for GM or CSLA's specific settings 🤷

[frigid gorge]

And I can point out complains are wrong, no need to hide behind calling me a "whiteknight"

[broken bloom]

Ok bud.

[frigid gorge]

RHS neither has interiors or M1 abrams

[inner cloud]

CSLA is tackling a super niche thing and didn’t do it well, PF could have been the same quality as this CDLC and it would be more popular because everyone has been wanting a vietnam thing that is better than unsung

[brittle thicket]

Actual BI dlcs suck ass value wise

Global mob could be its own game considering how much content there is

[frigid gorge]

It is same quality as this CDLC

[twin grotto]

bruh

no its not

[manic steppe]

No its not

[twin grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/493523409582424074/854744931951575080/unknown.png

[finite pelican]

Im lossing Brain cells

[manic steppe]

Your nose is getting very brown

[twin grotto]

look at the overlap

[fathom ocean]

Its not worth engaging toot in conversation because he will just shift the goalposts when he is wrong.

[frigid gorge]

It's literally as said - a community full of Americans will obviously prefer the Vietnam war over a European conflict

[twin grotto]

nobody cares where it is

[broken bloom]

[frigid gorge]

Im yet to be proven wrong, only people saying "we just have different opinions"

[twin grotto]

i play the shit outta pla mod

[inner cloud]

very high quality there

[upper galleon]

this is a funny chat

needed a good laugh

[inner cloud]

you are objectively wrong that no mod has M1’s

[frigid gorge]

It is deficient higher that PF

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854760209205297192/unknown.png M1 comparison. 3CB.

[twin grotto]

you dont have stacked textures in sog

[frigid gorge]

Thats RHS

[bold mulch]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

what

[leaden kite]

nope, 3CB factions, I checked this time!

[bold mulch]

have you lost your mind?

[frigid gorge]

It's RHS model and everything

3CB factions only renamed it

[bold mulch]

when does supporting end and fanboyism starts?

[inner cloud]

yeah they use the same model

[fathom ocean]

https://streamable.com/3ev1iz

[solar elbow]

How's the Mono sound effects? you liking them?

[leaden kite]

think the texture is different but I'll check

[frigid gorge]

I don't care about the guns, they are awful

I care about what doesn't exist anywhere else

[half swallow]

sounds like its on burst when suppressed

[muted fox]

3CB Factions only retextures it. Like with the AH-1Zs

[frigid gorge]

Which are the tons of vehicles

[sonic pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854760437313044480/unknown.png

DHI vs CSLA

[broken bloom]

Higher quality than PF though right?

🤡

[frigid gorge]

Yeah, load up PF)

Check the uniforms and guns

[leaden kite]

slight retex, as presumed

[frigid gorge]

all of them are same as CSLA, half the guns are same too

[twin grotto]

Shooting game, dont care about guns bruh what are you playing Czech life

[tranquil epoch]

@frigid gorge How much is CSLA "studios" paying you to shill?

[finite pelican]

So do you hate or love it im confused

[keen sparrow]

Guns, besides two (and maybe the AK) VN guns, are better.

[inner cloud]

only thing that looks good on the right is the helmet

[frigid gorge]

Because there are better guns available for free. Again - the value of CSLA isn't its guns, but the vics - that isn't available for free

[inner cloud]

and even then it’s worse

[broken bloom]

Bruh.

[leaden kite]

I'd say that's about equal in quality

[manic steppe]

He don't stop does he lol

[solar elbow]

Ah yes I love me some paid A2 Vehicles

[bold mulch]

I pay for everything, not just the part of it

[frigid gorge]

Last time - I bought it for vehicles and map. The infantry stuff is horrendous

[inner cloud]

the super niche vehicles that liek, 3 people that play arma actually care about

[manic steppe]

Little Knight

[bold mulch]

if it's value is a PART of a mod then I want to pay only for a part of it, while I paid for whole.

[broken bloom]

I'm astonished.

[frigid gorge]

I am not going to defending what is bad - I am defending what is good

[broken bloom]

Just... wow.

[bold mulch]

nope, it's trolling.

[solar elbow]

What is good...

[bold mulch]

you're disobeying the rules

[frigid gorge]

And the tons of vics and a godtier map is definetely worht little less than lunch money

[upbeat helm]

question
what structures are there in CSLA other than the A2 ones? I only noticed some fences that looked original and those bizzarre 80' colored lamp poles

[hexed fractal]

I bought the vehicles in 2009, I don't want to buy them again lmao

[twin grotto]

they hidin the buildings

[plush thunder]

There are like 3 vics that are not available anywhere else. All in all, not a purchase i’ll make

[frigid gorge]

Then don't, I didn't buy them in 2009)

[misty flax]

how about make csla a 2 separate cdlcs where first part is only for vehicles and map, and second is for guns and infantry equipment?

[leaden kite]

most of the houses from what I understand. Though the A2 fire station deffo isn't

[inner cloud]

and they are all vehicles no one really cares about

[keen sparrow]

I think 4-5 (prob. more) buildings haven't existed in A2, not sure though.

[plush thunder]

^this

[bold mulch]

this. I can definitely pay for the map only, and directly to the authors, not BI.

[broken bloom]

Well a lot of Arma 1 models were recycled for Arma 2. So uh...

Third time's the charm?

[frigid gorge]

But I thought you said "Where the war is set doesn't matter"

[fickle narwhal]

There's a lot of new village buildings. The villages are mostly made up of those

[frigid gorge]

Let me correct you

They are vehicles americans dont care about

[inner cloud]

wasn’t me

[leaden kite]

ok, I kinda giggled, ngl

[fathom ocean]

GM has czech units right?

[plush thunder]

Im not american and i dont care about them

[keen sparrow]

Nope.

[scenic cove]

Nope, it's East Germany, West Germany, Denmark, and Poland

[solar elbow]

Nor am I and I don't care about them either

[upbeat helm]

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1294440/ss_3223d9de881a736e0d9e9a6bfd9d44815bde1b48.1920x1080.jpg?t=1623848516
oh saw these and wasn't sure if they were in cup

[frigid gorge]

I didn't say only Americans @plush thunder

[leaden kite]

I don't really care for the american units, personally

[inner cloud]

not american and do not give a fuck about some tiny eastern european countries cold war vehicles

[sand bough]

Fun fact: Arma 1 and 2, there're a lot of “OFP2” assets which was developed like in 2003-2005

[fickle narwhal]

Those are new

[keen sparrow]

They are Tatras right? Don' think so.

[misty flax]

you actually said like 10 times that this community is full of americans that dont care about european conflict

[frigid gorge]

"Tiny eastern european" - the wall between the east and the west in the cold war

[solar elbow]

You did say only Americans

[inner cloud]

ok?

[leaden kite]

they are new, though similar ones exist. Sec

[rugged jolt]

Yes

[frigid gorge]

Most of the community is, hence the outrage and negative feedback spam

[pulsar wedge]

Yikes

[scenic cove]

Funny, that's exactly what this CDLC was advertised as... kind of surprised you even asked whether this was worth the money in the first place

[frigid gorge]

1 to 1 what happened with GM

[bold mulch]

wait wait wait

are you defending the cdlc only because it's about cold war in Europe?

[hexed fractal]

I guess Europeans and Australians are incapable of perceiving poor quality

[bold mulch]

you don't give a damn about how bad the assets are, it's fine for you to them have the Czech flag?

[frigid gorge]

I am defending it because it has alot of thigns which don't exist anywhere, and most of it thsoe things are made very well

[solar elbow]

Nah he's justifying to himself because steam denied his refund

[frigid gorge]

The assets aren't bad

[scenic cove]

Ehhhh, it does affect how I weigh the assets quality relative to the other two CDLCs

[timid quartz]

Store updated, 20%, 90 reviews

[sonic pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854761669732991027/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854761711549546537/unknown.png

...meh

[inner cloud]

GM has 6/10 stars CSLA has 3/10 on steam

[broken bloom]

D is for Denial.

[inner cloud]

they are not the same feedback AT ALL

[frigid gorge]

Yeah, it had worse earlier too

[inner cloud]

GM is good

[plush thunder]

“A lot” 3 vehicles with a handful of variants…

[frigid gorge]

GM is the best*

[keen sparrow]

Nah, it was mostly mixed worst was maybe 40% or just at 50%

[timid quartz]

So, I gotta ask, are these the same model pants?

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/867367521940327835/EC1EACB48B4EA8824F8BD7BD99EFD0B7789B6CE7/
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531196546520317980/854084333845086218/unknown.png

[frigid gorge]

And has 6/10 reviews

Thats how you know reviews dont matter

[hexed fractal]

Imagine having to defend your purchase so hard after Steam denied your refund

[rugged jolt]

All conflict in arma happens outside of Americas. What a chill place.

[leaden kite]

eh, idk. I still stick with what I said, though I can't really say I care for uniforms extremely much. I'd say it's ROUGHLY the same, though. Quality-wise, that is

[pulsar wedge]

Guess the Asians who play this game can't understand "low quality" content

[bold mulch]

well I'm from Poland and I'm jizzing in my pants everytime somebody shows central europe in arma

[inner cloud]

people wet their pants over vietnam war content, so it’s gonna be the most loved CDLC no matter what

this one is gonna get hated

cope

[ashen meadow]

is it just me or are the campaign lines bugged they repeat over and over

[frigid gorge]

cope indeed

[bold mulch]

the situation is same as with Remembrance mod

I get that there's no other mod about WW1 and they should be remembered

but I definitely wouldn't want to be remembered as a badly made paint retexture for a even worse mod

[sonic pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854762088911077457/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854762128895246357/unknown.png

I don't see it that way.

[bold mulch]

and same goes for cdlcs

[rugged jolt]

CSLA is like RHS of arma 3 DLC's, its awful.

[frigid gorge]

lmao

what

[plush thunder]

LOL

[inner cloud]

RHS is way higher quality

[bold mulch]

CSLA is a refurbished massi

[inner cloud]

lol

[tranquil epoch]

calling negative reviews spam
cope more shill

[scenic cove]

You just reminded me of how... wait, was massi's stuff popular from 2013-2015? Seemed like 'CUP before CUP'

[frigid gorge]

Calling cry babies spam

[leaden kite]

hmm. I guess left does look a bit better. Though it's hard to compare when it's not 1/1 the same stuff

[frigid gorge]

also nice greentext outside)

[leaden dagger]

reminder: keep it civil

[bold mulch]

probably yes as there were no other mods at all

[leaden kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/237077887117819906/854762633240379483/unknown.png V3S comparison

[frigid gorge]

True, sorry from my part

[tranquil epoch]

implying negativity about CSLA is unwarrented

Cope again

[timid quartz]

I am just really fucking sad, I love Arma, I have supported BI for years, promoted them to everyone who I could reach. Then they push this cDLC which I think is kind of showing BI seems to not care what they sell to their customers

[frigid gorge]

The unwarranted part it

[sonic pendant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854760344374083608/854762782594433054/unknown.png

CSLA T-72

[midnight briar]

it literally is though, it is 1/1 the same stuff

[bold mulch]

the whole Creator Program is a farce

[frigid gorge]

Except they do, because they pushed the CDLC and update arma

[timid quartz]

I liked GM and SOGPF so far

[frigid gorge]

Don't like the CDLC - don't use it. As the two guys posting pictures here while we've talked - the quality of assets isn't questionable

[bold mulch]

I'd like them more if their authors were hired by BI and content was released as official DLC

[leaden kite]

hmm, in that case I would like to see what it is supposed to be like IRL. If it's supposed to be the same but clearly isn't, then one of them has to be wrong

[upper galleon]

I was really looking forward to this since it was first announced. Its a damn shame.

[midnight briar]

they are the same, one is just much much worse

[keen sparrow]

Well, I think the GM boys work at BIsim IIRC?

[frigid gorge]

So if your main thing is vics - the DLC is a +
If it's infantry gear - its a big minus

[inner cloud]

same.

[plush thunder]

This would be okay as a mod.... but as a paid dlc.... I really cant justify it

[bold mulch]

I have no idea to be honest

[timid quartz]

I wish testers had more hands-on time

[frigid gorge]

You mean like they did with PF?

And where ignored?

[bold mulch]

yeah, QA was non-existent I suppose

[midnight briar]

there was testing

[keen sparrow]

Well, not at all ignored, they did fixed a lot of stuff which was posted.

[bold mulch]

by who? the devs?

[midnight briar]

but "remake all of the assets" isn't really something a tester can really tell the devs

[frigid gorge]

This time testers did get some say - the CDLC was delayed by over a year and lots was improved

[tranquil epoch]

Same here. Was hoping CSLA would contend with DHI since it would be a paid DLC. Its crazy that CSLA actually thought this mod was worthy as a follow up to PF.

[midnight briar]

a lot was fixed

but a lot of that was technical issues

[supple anvil]

I wish everyone could understand that literally no matter what they themselves think about these CDLCs / mods and all their qualities, people are going to buy them because it fits their niche and thats fine if people enjoy something thats aight, just be civil about everything lol

[jolly lantern]

They weren't

[leaden kite]

I do agree with this, though. There seem to be a few bugs (from what people said), as well as some weirdness and inconsistencies, which should have been caught

[jolly lantern]

How do you know that without knowning what the testers have tested and reported last time?

[bold mulch]

we're not blaming the purchasers brother

[supple anvil]

not your brother

sorry bud i just dont know you that well

[bold mulch]

we blame BI and CSLA dev team for "this"

[frigid gorge]

I know people who spoke of lots of issues, and those issues stayed, easy ones to fix too

[tranquil epoch]

lmao imagine actually saying this

[frosty grove]

You mean like they did with PF?
And where ignored?
bruh i was a beta tester for PF and the shit i reported was fixed

[keen sparrow]

^

[inner cloud]

such as

[jolly lantern]

I meant CSLA

[plush thunder]

Fair enough. My issue with that is that, except for 2 or three assets, there are free alternatives that offer the same quality

[leaden kite]

Keep it civil. If you have nothing nice to say, stay quiet.

[twilit iris]

It is a bit of buyer beware that alot of folks bought it without testing it

[frigid gorge]

I meant PF, sorry or the missunderstanding

[twilit iris]

and it wasnt what they imagined

[fathom ocean]

If CSLA was confident and self assured in its quality, it would have been priced higher.

[jolly lantern]

I have compared the ticket numbers, and open vs closed tickets for both SOGPF and CSLA beta tests.
Their rates were about on par.

[fallow pelican]

Need help guys. Since the update, I'm getting a error when the addons are loading, LSYS_C_SETTINGS require addon LSYS_C_F. Anyone know of this and what this is?

[supple anvil]

[frigid gorge]

One was delayed by 1 year, the other was released with non-driveable civ vehicles

[midnight briar]

it still has a price, it means the CSLA devs are self assured in quality enough to sell it

[inner cloud]

did they even choose the price

[jolly lantern]

non-drivable vehicles that were never supposed to be drivable? what's the issue?

[leaden kite]

This is true.

[midnight briar]

I would assume so since it is different than the other CDLCs?

[frigid gorge]

Yeah, not gonna defend that - the pics before the changes where definable not promising

[timid quartz]

with vastly different # of testers

[frigid gorge]

Biggest example - there where other issues and problems too

And "never supposed to be driveable" is debateable

[jolly lantern]

One was delayed by one year because of QA issues and is now basically being review bombed even after a year of fixing the issues.
The other was released directly after the QA test and is highly praised review wise

[jolly lantern]

no its not.
Talk to the devs.

[frigid gorge]

I know what they will say, as they already did.
A car on a picture of the steam page implies it's drivable, when every other car in the entire game and mod scene I know of. But this is debateble, and also offtopic, so I won't go further

[inner cloud]

it doesn’t imply anything

[bold mulch]

Is Creator DLC paid mods?

While we realize that opinions on this will vary, we don't consider Arma 3 Creator DLC to be paid mods. We believe that these DLC packs would not have otherwise existed or be possible as mods of similar quality and scope. It's also important to note that Creator DLC will never replace something that what was available for free.

[fickle narwhal]

There are plenty of non drivable vehicles in Arma. The submarine for example. Aircraft carrier. Destroyer. Etc.

[fathom ocean]

oof

[jolly lantern]

I would prefer if your constant shitting on other people and stating wrong things as facts just because you interpreted it that way would stop.
Multiple people called you out as trolling already and as a Moderator you look on edge. So I too suggest you stop that

[leaden kite]

I mean this is definitely true for the map. I can tell you that much.

[upbeat helm]

what vehicle isn't drivable?

[timid quartz]

Wasn't there an Arma 2 "Free" I remember that

[fathom ocean]

you can drive them

use attachto

[plush thunder]

pf has car props

[frigid gorge]

This chat has been for hours shitting on other people and stating wrong things as facts about CSLA

[midnight briar]

I do agree that the map is nice, the custom new buildings are very nice and I like how they differ between the different sides of the border

personally I don't need another eastern/central europe map but that's just me

[frigid gorge]

People who called me out as trollin where sending insults my way while I kept the discussion levelheaded for the most time

[leaden kite]

Man, I need it. I'm so tired of DesertMap123891723871

[frigid gorge]

Won't be surprised if I get muted anyway through, so I'll stop now like you said

[bold mulch]

please, for everyone's sake please stop defending the cDLC just because it's about Czech Republic and Cold War

[inner cloud]

it’s apparent you’re trolling

[supple anvil]

it's definitely been a back and forth between the two parties at this rate and it's tiresome

[inner cloud]

at best fanboying

[upbeat helm]

is there anything like that in csla?

[plush thunder]

idk

[frigid gorge]

No

[plush thunder]

not what I was saying

[jolly lantern]

[misty flax]

well model of t-72 and abrams looks kinda fresh tho

i do like this models

[leaden kite]

Agreed. Though I do hope interiors will be added

[inner cloud]

they are just as good as any mod

[solar elbow]

They're A2

[misty flax]

they are?

[solar elbow]

Well the Abrams is at least

[plush thunder]

yes

[inner cloud]

retextured

do they have interiors?

[misty bramble]

I think they're referring to the "volkswagen beetle" like vehicle?