#csla_iron_curtain

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hasty bison
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The CSLA uniforms in CDLC are brand new ... it's not an A2 port.

empty sedge
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if i have global mobilization i have csla too?

copper monolith
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No, they are separate items from separate development teams/projects.

rustic ember
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Will CSLA have working trains, or are those just statics for scene dressing?

meager dome
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just static

scenic cove
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I imagine that mods can get them working?

lyric mortar
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There is the advanced train mod so that could probably work with them.

upper galleon
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@scenic cove ATS (as a script) can be used on any static object. So yes, you can get the new trains working. If the track objects are new, however, that might be a headache to fix..

upper galleon
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just.... just give me a bolt action sniper rifle that isnt a sodding anti material rifle

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please

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m24? nagant? anything please

scenic cove
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If you don't mind it working in the same way that the Arma series has always simulated bolt-action rifles...

rustic ember
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How many (very roughly) MIL-COTS (military commercial, off the shelf) vehicles are going to be present? On the store page there were a few (pickup trucks). This had me thinking about the "Cold War Era Vehicles" mod for Arma 2, which had several.

scenic cove
rustic ember
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the truck seen in the first image of the dlc.

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basically, civilian-model vehicle being used by a proper military (but with modifications), rather than a militia (civilian model colors, or technical). So a civilian commercial vehicle thats modified, or at the very least repainted, being used by a military.

short vortex
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For ČSLA that would apply for both military trucks. For US this would be true probably only for the m1008. You can buy surplus m998 and m923 trucks nowadays, but that probably does not fall under your definition.

junior eagle
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Is there an approximate date for when this dlc will be launched?

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I saw what looks like the M1A1 in one of the pictures and now I cant wait

mortal ice
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iirc there's a bit anout CSLA in there

limpid apex
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Will there be a campaign included in csla iron curtain?

woven sorrel
low orbit
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@limpid apex @woven sorrel Sorry guys, but we can not right now share an exact answer to your question. Anyway, look on our previous Mod releases ...

boreal hornet
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Does ACR dlc count

short vortex
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What do you mean?

mortal ice
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^ ACR dlc? wat? @boreal hornet

foggy pike
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Referring to the dlc from Arma 2 probably. No this is not that.

scenic cove
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Yup, the Army of the Czech Republic DLC was specifically 2010s whereas CSLA Iron Curtain I imagine is 'Cold War gone hot' alternate universe (AU)

short vortex
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Looking at the context of the question now. If @boreal hornet meant to ask if we worked on AČR dlc then yes we did. As well as we did participate on Arma2 and ArmA2:OA.

hasty bison
crystal parrot
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I loved the CSLA mod for Arma 2 😁

compact fog
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when will it be released?

plucky tinsel
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soon™️

compact fog
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it will be released soon since september 2020

fickle narwhal
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Must be getting close then

north depot
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maybe stop asking

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and just wait

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and be a good boyu

sand bough
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A month of delay per a "when?" 😉

fierce olive
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when when when when when when when when when when when

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See you guys in 2022

north depot
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LMAO

dreamy raven
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Will CSLA follow the same roadmap as Global Mobilization? As in:
1- Release
2- Update #1 new vehicles / weapons / factions
3- Update #2 new vehicles / weapons / units

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Or is it just going to be one big mega release?

royal cloud
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I think Devs can't share this information right now

jolly lantern
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yeah, updates aren't announced beforehand.
So you can't yet know or tell if there will be big updates planned later

scenic cove
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From what I understand GM didn't even announce any updates until it was Release Candidate branch time... don't remember whether they even promised any updates upon release

foggy pike
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GM made a whole blog about the upcoming update over a month before RC. I think they also mentioned some new things even months before that.

ionic flame
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It's contractually prohibited to pre-announce anything that hasn't been prepared for release, so no road-maps are possible. In a way this is better than all the seemingly empty promises made by game companies in early development who show you a bunch of WIP screenshots, then eventually decide to do a kickstarter, or who release early alpha and then stay in dev-hell for years. It's a good policy, but it does leave CDLC teams a bit lost and lonely, when we want so badly to announce our stuff.

scenic cove
ionic flame
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At least Arma is Arma, not really competing with other games

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sure

upper galleon
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You can’t get around it through language? Saying “we would like to do x but don’t know yet”?

mortal ice
short vortex
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Well, as can be expected, we'd like to release ASAP. The decision is not ours to make though. Like I mentioned in the other thread, it's BI management who's calling the shots. Any decision to release or postpone is up to them.

brittle terrace
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Hello, when is this released?

simple quiver
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when its done

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🙃

brittle terrace
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Is it delayed?

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And is it compatible with GM

sand bough
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Define compatible with

brittle terrace
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Global Mobilization.

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like, it won't cause errors ,or bugs, will it?

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both of them can coexist?

sand bough
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Of course they (would) exist the same time. Errors or whatever is different thing. Nobody ensures it could happened flawlessly

mortal ice
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I'd guess its compatible, but we wont know until release

mortal ice
copper monolith
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GM dev here: We anticipate it to be compatible without any issues.

brittle terrace
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Alright, good to hear.

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Also, i cannot really find the sitrep @mortal ice

sand bough
hazy flame
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I'm checking every day if there is any news on CSLA, its pure torture not knowing when it will be released! 🤣

upper galleon
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^

crisp comet
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2021

shrewd olive
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Here I am, praying that they include different camos for vehicles for different environments as well as different camos for uniforms. I like mixmatching stuff to create new units in arsenal, and I'd hate it if CSLA was super barebones.

thick parcel
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CSLA historically had a pretty unique camouflage selection

short vortex
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ČSLA historically did not have any army wide camouflage standards. For vehicles that is.

hazy flame
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So they had a wild mix of vehicle camos? Or was it more like that most units had just the plain standard colour and some had camo patterns?

short vortex
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Vehicles were not camouflaged by default. At best, they had black outlines painted on them which could be easily filled with colours if need be. Camouflages in general were painted as preparation for exercise and "washed" down at the end of it. The washing down part from what I hear was a PITA.

The colour palette was limited to a set of colors that were available in camouflaging sets

Later on there were some (very) general guidances to camouflage schemes but in general it was up to particular unit (battalion+).

hazy flame
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That is interesting, thanks for the info. 🙂

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I am really looking forward to the CDLC, the screenshots on the store page and the CSLA blog look stunning.

short vortex
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You're welcome 🙂

shrewd olive
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I am currently trying to put together an Iranian Artesh faction using only vanilla or DLC assets, and boy let me to tell you...the lack of a basic tan uniform in any of the mods or vanilla is so unnerving.

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*dlc

short vortex
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I sincerely hope you do not expect to find those in a dlc built around an army of landlocked country in the middle of Europe. 🙂

thick parcel
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Well, CSLA did deploy into Desert Storm

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It would actually be pretty neat to see, because it's not too widely known

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And yes, CSLA had sets of camouflage colors to be painted onto the vehicles in case of war or exercise - that way, depending on current season of the year, they could pick the appropriate pattern 🙂

bright rain
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The Czechoslovakian contingent didn't wear tan uniforms in Desert Storm though. It was olive green or khaki at best

hasty bison
hasty bison
mortal magnet
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I wonder how are the chances we get a proper COIN campaign with this dlc? I guess pretty low huh? 😂

shrewd olive
shrewd olive
short vortex
thick parcel
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Hope to see those fancy Desert storm helmet covers ❤️

shrewd olive
drifting hinge
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they seem to have been working on this cdlc for a while, and considering the devs we can expect a pretty decent amount of high quality content

shrewd olive
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I expect so too, and I have full hope that they will deliver what THEY envision (Which is something I support and think is totally cool). I am just saying, would be cool to have some versatility in the content as well. Not to be an internet karen, but I don't think my opinion (as someone who WILL buy the DLC to support the creators and Bohemia Inter) deserved such a condescending response. Nonetheless, I got 30 bucks set aside just for these guys and understand the defensiveness so no biggie.

teal coyote
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will this work with global mob?

upper galleon
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is CSLA ever gonna release

upper galleon
teal coyote
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😄

analog pollen
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any news on CSLA? We are in desperate need of more cold war content!

upper galleon
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that is one of the reasons they are making it for like a cold war series of DLCs @teal coyote

analog pollen
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especialy the map and the checks

upper galleon
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thats what i use until it comes out

analog pollen
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the map too? Homeland or what they call it?

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I love to drive around in convoys for houers

upper galleon
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im not sure, i do not think so but the GM map is pretty good

teal coyote
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aye i think global was worth the money

mortal ice
upper galleon
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cool

upper galleon
short vortex
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If you want concrete answers you can always spam BI marketing and/or PR dept. for those. Mere creators are not allowed to talk. 😄

teal coyote
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red fuckign tape

analog pollen
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wher eis this BI marketing and/or PR dept channel in this discord?

mortal ice
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there's Nillers the community manager, but I dont know of any active peeps in this discord from those departments

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But I laos think it was more of a joke than real advice

jolly lantern
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@analog pollen that will pretty much immediately get you banned here. So I suggest you don't.
Also if you say "Unleash the bots", you can guess what moderators might think when the next bot attack happens.. Bad idea.

analog pollen
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innocent until proven guilty we are not in CCCP here.

mortal ice
hazy flame
# short vortex If you want concrete answers you can always spam BI marketing and/or PR dept. fo...

Bohemias Marketing department is doing a terrible job so far, it must be very disappointing to announce your work to the world and then being forbidden to show off anything for months.

Announcing CSLA in September with "coming soon" then in November saying "well not sooo soon" and nothing since then? No screenshots, no videos, previews, no nothing?
Its been nearly 5 months since the announcement with no news on their public channels since then, not really the best strategy to promote a product in my opinion. At least a status report in December or January would have been nice to let people know the project is still "alive" 🤷‍♂️

But nothing we can do but wait i suppose.

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But as a cold war and arma fan, you got one day one purchase from me 🙂

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Maybe you can answer me one question about the content, will the Americans have PASGT vests? I don't think I have spotted vests in the store screenshots.
And what about the other side, did the CSLA have body Armour in the 80s?

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I really love doing a kind of "dress up" in the arsenal every now and then, so the more gear the better 😆

short vortex
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Pasgt vest can be recognized on the (famous us army) offroad's gunner if you download full resolution screenshot. The where lav-25 is.

As far as we (or anyone else) know, ČSLA units did not use body armour. Some vests were users special units of the ministry of the interior in before and shortly after the 1989.

Some of it can be seen in footages from Leopoldov prison uprising (1990).

Link here, may be nsfw.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7n2TZlr44w

YouTube
PadouchHr
1990: Útok Československé armády a policie na Leopoldov

V březnu roku 1990 se trestanci při vzpouře zmocnili Leopoldské věznice. Armáda s transportéry a policie věznici dobyli zpět.

▶ Play video
hazy flame
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Ah I see it on the screenshot and thank you for the information and the video! Its hard to find anything at all on this, as I don't speak the language and there is not really much I could find in English.

scenic cove
analog pollen
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cant you send them some new pics or a video or somthing that they can post?

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and tell them to post it?

short vortex
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WIP screens are being made upon every update, as you can imagine.

hazy flame
# scenic cove They *did* announce the delay into 2021

Yeah but that was in November. Now we are well into February without anything so far.
Is it really that hard to just show of some screenshots every now and then? Maybe a "The team behind CSLA is hard at work, look at this beautiful screenshot from the new terrain"?

And I am talking about Bohemia, not about the Team behind CSLA. As they said multiple times, they are not allowed to show off anything.

low orbit
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Hey folks! Even though we're taking a little extra time, the Arma 3 Creator DLC: CSLA Iron Curtain is still very much in active development. Here are some fresh screenshots for your viewing pleasure until we're ready for release. Enjoy, thank you for your patience - and stay tuned!

📎 CSLA_promo_2021_11.jpg
smoky prawn
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Looking good 🙂

thick parcel
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Wow!

mortal ice
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bingyay Seeing these is making me excited to get to play with the cdlc again

fossil condor
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👍 blobhappygoogly Good work guys! keep it up!

exotic copper
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Looking good!

ionic flame
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Loving that AA truck!

hazy flame
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Awesome! Can't wait! 🙂

analog pollen
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when?

shrewd olive
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Yum\

drifting hinge
# analog pollen when?

Cant say anything for sure but we can expect some form of release before the summer i bet, be it testing or full

nimble quarry
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Skoda goes brrrr

analog pollen
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the earlier the better!!!! also obligatory, gib!

lone pollen
upper galleon
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This looks amazing. Any chance of Salamander camo? 🙂

teal coyote
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is the mob that making this DLC the same people as the ones that made GM?

hazy flame
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No, different teams

bright rain
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No, different people

low orbit
teal coyote
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😄

upper galleon
low orbit
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FIA has some parts. Just check the screens also from the past. 😉

terse ridge
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The UH-60A/MH-60As and IPM1s look great! Are there variants planned with the M60D on the M144 Armament subsystem for the door gunners on the Blackhawks ?

latent thorn
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A question for the CSLA Devs, (Sorry if it's been asked a million times before, Just can't find an exact answer to it.) CSLA cDLC- Iron Curtain will be it's own DLC,right?

sand bough
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it's own DLC ?

latent thorn
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Aka I'll need to pay to download it,No?

sand bough
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It's called “Optional DLC” and yes

latent thorn
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Alright,Thank you

merry geyser
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Keep in mind that you'll be able to subscribe to the compatibility data version on the Workshop once it releases.

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It's basically the same thing as the full CDLC but you have the usual DLC restrictions like not being able to get into vehicle gunner positions, play on the Gabreta terrain, etc.

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Good way to test before you buy.

fickle narwhal
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Did they confirm that they were going to do that?

thick parcel
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Wasn't it on the store page?

merry geyser
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Furthermore, as soon as the CSLA Iron Curtain DLC releases, Bohemia Interactive and CSLA Studio plan to make compatibility data for non-owners of the DLC available via the Arma 3 Steam Workshop

fickle narwhal
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Oh good

silk mica
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Žigulik goes vrrrrmmm

compact fog
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i see that tatra 813 and i fall in love 🥰

fluid bramble
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Question for the devs or anyone familiar, have been out of the ArmA loop for awhile. Will Iron Curtain contain any AA units/vehicles/turrets. Like SA-2/SA-6 units?

mortal ice
fluid bramble
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I noticed there was a SPAA unit in the pictures but am just hoping for some missile variants

thick parcel
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According to the screens, there'll be MANPADS too

meager dome
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i think that stuff is from a2?

low orbit
short vortex
drifting hinge
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destructible prop?

short vortex
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To be clear it's not in ATM. IF it was, then probably as a destructible object.

drifting hinge
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Yea yea, was a suggestion

thick parcel
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I think it would be a shame to only have it as a prop.

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Look how Bohemia implemented the Patriot and S300 SAM batteries - they've been scaled down for gameplay purposes and work great both as a destructible mission target and as an asset 😊

fickle narwhal
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Could also just keep the range and make it as more of a "if you fly too high now you have to deal with this" type of threat

scenic cove
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That sounds somewhat Ace Combat...

thick parcel
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It works in real life too 😄

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The early pact SAMs couldn't engage low flying targets

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But then, you'd be in range of AAA, so pick your poison

daring spoke
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friend mine was curious is the m113 for example shared in some way with global mob or is it completely different?

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also giving the m113 as an example cus idk any other overlap in terms of stuff between csla and global mob

sand bough
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Nothing is shared by any other CDLCs

ionic flame
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well, no assets, we share a lot of know-how, progress reports and pats on the back 😉

remote hamlet
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Question: Can these factions be used in servers with people who don't own the DLC?

mortal ice
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The server has to have CSLA enabled, otherwise it cant be used

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same as with globmob since its going to be a seperate download and not included in the basegame download like normal dlc

scenic cove
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either having CSLA Iron Curtain DLC or the corresponding 'Compatibility Data' download from Steam Workshop

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For comparison/perspective, the corresponding Compatibility Data for Global Mobilization - Cold War Germany is a whopping 20+ GB

mortal ice
scenic cove
mortal ice
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actually not sure about that

copper monolith
# scenic cove Minus the terrain and playable content (SP campaign) though

The Compatibility Data on the Steam Workshop is 1:1 what you download as a regular owner. There is no difference in the data. However, if you only have access to the Workshop item without the DLC purchased, then the regular DLC restrictions apply that can also be found on other DLC: Restricted access to weapons, vehicles, terrains and campaigns.

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You can still try out the assets within the Arsenal (even without a purchase) and inspect the terrain in the editor. Playing a mission on it will not be possible, as a non-owner of the CDLC.

scenic cove
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Ahhhh, I had been of the understanding that even the terrain could not be accessed in the Editor without the DLC

ionic flame
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me too. interesting!

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like having an old-school demo - i like it

crystal parrot
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You can't acess terrains from non-owned DLCs through the editor

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I didn't own any DLC terrain for months, so I know

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Can't speak for GM, but that's the case with the regular DLCs

copper monolith
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Correct. GM is a bit different in that as a non owner you get the entire data package via the Workshop, while for example without Contact the Livonia terrain is not present and selectable in the editor.

leaden pawn
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I wish more people played GM and Contact, really good terrains

outer quiver
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wait, so they're not selectable through the editor, but could you play missions on them atleast?

mortal ice
outer quiver
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oh, damn

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wasnt sure, wording made me think maybe

shrewd olive
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hey just curious, i was looking at old testing footage on the youtube channel and i saw M60s. Were those placeholders or are those confirmed to be in the DLC?

sand bough
shrewd olive
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No the tank lmao

sand bough
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Ah? Ah

shrewd olive
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at 26:25

short vortex
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Good eye. 🙂 M60A3 was truly a part of the mod in those days. We could not keep it around due to the fact that it was a donated model from long ago. I can say that there is NOT going to be a scratch built m60 + variants in the initial release. As for the future, we can not talk about it due to NDA... 😉

sullen plover
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who else is pumped up for this dlc

mortal ice
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hello yes me

west schooner
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oh ye! 🙂 i love me some 80's-90's US Military, theres too few of those mods that make that stuff available been anxiously awaiting this DLC, hopefully we will se some Desert variations in uniforms, and vehicles, later down the road or atleast modded, if allowed.

upper galleon
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there are plenty around. you have deltahawk's excellent uniforms that are even part of rhs. and the insanely great ones that cwr3 now has. no need to wait for this dlc that resells retextured ArmA2 mods and models, especially if CUP does it better and is far more deserving. compare their new m1 abrams to this one for example... its an easy decision.

fickle narwhal
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This abrams looks perfectly fine to me.

shrewd olive
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ive been watching the gameplay that has been posted over the years. Very little of the uniforms look like retextures. I think the rebel uniforms are just an homage to Arma 2, and I like them. (There are also new camos). My only concerns are the RPGs, they look pretty under-detailed and low res. (Idk what it looks like now). I hope for the ability to remove insignia just like in GM, so that we can reuse assets for custom factions and missions.

mortal ice
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no need to wait for this dlc that resells retextured ArmA2 mods and models
source?

upper galleon
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the mentioned rebel textures are CLEARLY taken from arma 2.

jolly lantern
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So people shouldn't buy, because it has a handful of reused textures next to tons of new freshly made content?
Do you also not buy a new car because it still uses the same steering wheel as the old model?

west schooner
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i seriously doubt that they are retextured ArmaA2 assets, ive looked on Artstation and found one of the artists, who have made never seen before equipment, i be it the art style is similar but i wouldnt go as far as saying that they are the same. the problem we have with what we have now is some of the authors have stopped production and they are not compatable amoungst each other, in the sence the equipment either floats on the body of a differnt uniform or the equipment clips the body of another uniform. if they were all "compatable with each other then id say yes your right.

upper galleon
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or think of that train picture. its the arma 2 trains made to look like they even have working trains

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also quite telling is that this comes up regularly and the devs never answer it outright. They could simply say "no arma 2 assets are reused here", but then that would mean they are liable to false advertising when the opposite is proven, which it will

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theyre already advertising badly with the trains suggesting they run, or outright showing content on pictures thats not part of the dlc

fickle narwhal
fickle narwhal
upper galleon
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chedck the very firstpicture on steam and look and see if you have a vehicle there that is part of another dlc 🙃

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And dont forget these are the same devs that made the ACR dlc for ArmA2 with a amazing "long term" support (ARMA3 came half a year later and they abandoned this) and the high quality of assets at release. LOL
https://youtu.be/4UMNkMIZ7bA
there is already official teasers out there of the new enfusion game with a skoda car as well that looks way better. so this paid mod will be collecting dust in no time...

fickle narwhal
west schooner
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🤦‍♂️ i didnt want my "Oh ye! 🙂 " comment to turn into an argument....

fickle narwhal
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Well regardless of what you say it looks good to me and their known for their great modding work so I'm sure I'll be happy with it.

copper monolith
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"Paid mod" or not, all content for the Arma-Series takes work, time and effort to create. The bigger question is: Should this not be rewarded?

upper galleon
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its a big -9000 in hype from me. do everyone a favor and donate the 10$ (or 20, BIG LOL if) they probably will want for this to CUP instead. This mod project that did nothing for ArmA3 in the past 7 years and now wants money for their ArmA2 assets in ArmA3 is not worth that attention. all the people in that group that were capable and legendary are either directly working now with BI (example: gaia) or left the team. either way not involved. their running on the fumes of past glory

wait no, youre one of the paid mod people, too. 🙃

plush cobaltBOT
scenic cove
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there is already official teasers out there of the new enfusion game with a skoda car as well
-1 for treating Reforger as official

mortal ice
scenic cove
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Didn't spot a Skoda in that, only terrain

mortal ice
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there's a yellow car in one of the pictures

scenic cove
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Just saw what you mean, and it looks... okay? In the sense that with the right lighting, materials, and texturing someone might be able to get a Skoda model looking like that in A3

latent thorn
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I'd choose GM/CSLA over RHS/CUP any day.

crystal parrot
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Tons of new DLC content from BI is retextures of already existing content. Livonia repurposes buildings from Arma 2, same as DayZ. Is BI selling paid mods too?

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Please

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I for one, loved the new CSLA pictures, it's looking great

boreal hornet
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Even vanilla Arma 3 has some ported stuff

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The M2 HMG, Scorpion SMG, tractors, and not to mention AKs and MP5 in Apex are ported from Dayz

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But Karto is not wrong though, I don't like seeing too many ported stuff in a CDLC either

crystal parrot
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The M2 and Scorpion are new models. And none of the assets they've shown on the CSLA pictures are simply ports. I think ya'll have forgotten how bad A2 textures were...

ionic flame
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Don’t feed the trolls

crystal parrot
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Thing is new ppl will read this stuff and they'll believe it, and then spread it, which hurts the creators. Even GM got a bad rep for being just a mod, and using ported stuff, when all their models are not only original, but really high quality

sand bough
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Every GM assets are made from scratch IIRC? Well let haters do hate

crystal parrot
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Yeah, they're all original

boreal hornet
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The Scorpion is literally made by CSLA team for A2 ACR dlc, M2 is an upgraded A2 port

thick parcel
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Yeah I think the Scorpion is from the ACR DLC

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Same as the AAF's Mora(?) is the Warrior from BAF DLC, and AAF Zamak is Kamaz from A2's Russian forces

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These models however have been update and refurbished 🙂

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Certainly don't look out of place in Arma 3

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Oh, I guess AAF's Gorgon is ACR DLC's Pandur as well

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Anyhow, I suggest we simply wait for CSLA to release

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Then we'll be able to actually see what models they're using instead of blind guesses 🙂

crystal parrot
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The Scorpion (A2) and the Stinger's (A3) models are literally different scales. Compare a port of the A2 Scorpion to the Stinger. As for the Pandur, if it ever was a "port" of the A2 one, then it was also completely remodelled, to the point where it probably would e been easier to make from scratch.

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But either way, it spots being just a port once it's remodelled and retextured to new quality standards. So even if CSLA reuses/improves on old models, I don't see what the problem is with that, and what the fuss is all about

midnight briar
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I think the problem isn't the reuse, the problem is that people aren't sure if CSLA has those reused assets brought up to the A3 quality

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but I think that's part of why the delay happened, so we will just have to see what the end result ends up being

clever flame
# upper galleon its a big -9000 in hype from me. do everyone a favor and donate the 10$ (or 20, ...

end of the day, all content takes time. I've seen the images, and the I see very little from A2. If you don't wanna buy it, then don't. Use CUP/RHS or whatever, but don't shit on it because other people may want to, Like for example (no offence) When the GM DLC was first teased, I thought it was gonna be shit. I bought it, installed it and was BLOWN AWAY, as for CSLA as far as I'm aware they don't re-use A2 models, but rather revamped them. The A2 models were good as well tbh

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I'm excited for this DLC, and there is nothing wrong with "just using CUP" do that if you want, but don't try put people off with false and un-informed information

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I think CUP/RHS/GM/CSLA/Spearpoint/S&S 81/DHI would be the grand mix

crystal parrot
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^ and CWR3. Couple that with a new SSD tho 😅

clever flame
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Oh shit yea, can't forget CWR3

scenic cove
west schooner
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sooo... back on topic, whos excited for this DLC?!?! i certainly am 🙂 gon be driving around in a humvee blasting 80's music 😄

mortal ice
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bingyay I'm definetly excited for it

latent thorn
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Same here!

mortal ice
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#rules no spam plox bongocat also no caps plox bongocat

thick parcel
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I'd love to have the original OFP lineup in A3, like MUTTs, M60 tanks and Ah-1 Cobra ❤️

shrewd olive
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i love the look of the buildings, reminds me of yugoslav villages. so, ill probably blast yugo war music and cruise around as a FIA rebel

humble tendon
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Release the dlc already 😢

upper galleon
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swiggity swoot i want my damn cobra XD

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ohhh...... iron curtain era mabey we see the Apache

hazy flame
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As awesome as the Apache is, its the "generic" attack helicopter of the world. I'd rather have a Cobra than an Apache that you can find in basically every game 😉

mortal ice
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I personally wish they'd rather work on more new czech stuff that hasnt been done before in arma

compact lichen
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this

low orbit
mortal ice
teal coyote
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i want some more light armor usage so much of the time its always the big stuff never any of the little stuff

upper galleon
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light armour is nice but the fact that AT sodiers turn into freaking snipers the instant there not on your side is a downer, seriously tell my guy to fire his maws at a stationary apc 300 meters away he misses the first two shots, but nooo the enemy ai can nail my hunter going 80km/h on the first shot

simple quiver
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yea, for some reason AIs, but AT weapons in general, are extremely accurate

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there's no dispersion on most AT weapons

mortal ice
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Oh yeah AT AI are crazy good

upper galleon
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when ther not on your squad

mortal ice
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tru

verbal pagoda
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Release soon i hope?🤔

mortal ice
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blobdoggoshruggoogly Release is when the devs are happy with the product

verbal pagoda
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🤔 so they are not happy now

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its already a half year will be in april

upper galleon
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on their discord they said they were happy with it in September even and are saying BI did the delay, not them.

verbal pagoda
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But i has birthday in 27 april, so i can wait some moremeowhuh

mortal ice
short vortex
mortal ice
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Ah fair

west schooner
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My birthday is in the end of March..... i aint got as much time to wait... 😉 lolz

drifting hinge
short vortex
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Not necessarily.

verbal pagoda
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there is only two devs like in GM, so they have other things to do irl

short vortex
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There is more than two devs. But the 'IRL' part is still valid.

shrewd olive
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wait, you are saying you don't slave away in front of computer everyday, making high-quality arma 3 content for war-obsessed sociopathic nerds like me?

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i feel so betrayed

sand bough
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They're not your slaves

uncut rose
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(warning: irony detected - does not work on the internet)

shrewd olive
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oh well i thought i made it obvious with the self-deprecation

limpid apex
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I guess not

brittle thicket
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release when iey

sand bough
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release date delayed a month more

drifting hinge
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Soon™

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Bu we don’t know how soon

barren siren
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before Half Life 3 TM

short vortex
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Isn't Alyx like third installment? We'd be aiming for number four then. Lucky Duke Nukem Forever is already out 😄

hazy flame
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So between now and the end of the universe? Nice!

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🤣

little gulch
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I predict the release in June, for 20 years anniversary of Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis

fickle narwhal
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Given that it got pushed back (if I remember right), I would think they'd have something else in mind for that anniversary

smoky prawn
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Arma Cold War Assault for Nintendo Switch

shrewd olive
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I mean its been almost six months since the announcement. You'd think a lot has been done already to solve any sort of issues that may have arisen.

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Hard to believe too, that its been nearly half a year already lmfao

mortal ice
plucky tinsel
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Duke Nukem Forever got first announced in 1997, released in 2011... So those 6 months are nothing

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And I'm sure it could be released right now, although in that case people will complain it was released too soon...

urban dew
urban dew
brittle thicket
mortal ice
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because I'd assume that bi has something in the cdlc contract to protect against that

brittle thicket
mortal ice
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But ye if Bi is delaying CSLA I assume they have their reasons for it

scenic cove
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There is the whole 'people WILL mistake it for official content and hold that against us' thing

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Hell in some games DLCs will get downvoted on Steam if people don't like the accompanying game update

inner jackal
mortal ice
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Ye could be

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maybe covid pushing it all back

quasi lily
inner jackal
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I mean, that's what I was thinking

placid needle
shrewd olive
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i think the biggest issue with cdlcs is the paywall and lack of support on official and custom servers. I just hope this one is more multiplayer friendly.

mortal ice
keen sparrow
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Because they do have offical servers and custom ones too.

mortal ice
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^

shrewd olive
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i know there is one GM server thats empty most of the time. I wasn't aware of any others.

keen sparrow
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3 Offical GM server iirc and one unoffical offical by Vertexmacht which has often a few players on it.

And then there are the community servers of various groups. These groups can be found on the GlobMob DC or here.

shrewd olive
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I guess in my region and due to my timezone, every time I see a GM server its empty. Ill have to check out the custom ones

copper monolith
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The big barrier is that CDLCs are optional content, so its not as accessible and integrated into vanilla game servers in the same way that for example Marksmen content is available.

mortal ice
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^

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I imagine the cdlc would be used quite a lot more if it could just be used in any mission (with the normal dlc restrictions)

jolly lantern
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But I also imagine that there will be heckloads of complaints for having to download 30GB of content that you don't want or can barely use because you don't own it

latent thorn
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^ That too

mortal ice
uncut rose
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HDD space and even SSD is cheap. the real concern is probably more the download size and updates

keen sparrow
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What about a smaller version of the cDLCs, which doesn't include the map (data and stuff) and the buildings, and just maybe the weapons or vehicels.
It would give some people finally the vics and weapons they want, but also should keep the overall size down. (If I didn't forget anything like usual)

thick parcel
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That'd just lead to splintering with 5 different file versions

keen sparrow
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True...

copper monolith
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In GM's case we'd save about 5GB by dropping the environment assets.

upper galleon
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everything is good as it is. Devs should not cut content just because customers has space issues. Its up to the customer to buy more space. If the customer cant afford it, he should not buy/download more content, simple as it is.

mortal ice
limpid apex
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will the DLC cost the same as Global Mobilization? Or is it gonna be more/less?

jolly lantern
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No price was announced yet

drifting hinge
upper galleon
mortal ice
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I doubt posts like that will help

low orbit
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"Not everyone understands to 1st April jokes"

jolly lantern
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^ link only works if you're on CSLA discord. Its a big announcement!

thorny walrus
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Come out

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I need dis

hollow cloak
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can someone link the discord?

mortal ice
hollow cloak
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thank!

teal coyote
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will Iron curtain be compac with Global mobilization?

low orbit
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Why not?

copper monolith
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The GM team anticipates that the two projects will be highly compatible. 👍

teal coyote
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this would make me very happy as global mob is top notch content and if iron curtain is = to the base game in terms of detail i dont think i would ever really need to use cups/rhs mods again

thorny walrus
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Iron curtain def looking great quality wise

upper galleon
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i would be mad if BI allows any CDLC that is incompatible with another CDLC. They should add a rule that a CDLC must be compatible with another CDLC or it wont get approved

thorny walrus
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Eh

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Just limits everything to cold war

simple quiver
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why would that be? nothing stops another team to make 2035 content

thorny walrus
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Okay so only cold war and 2035 content

upper galleon
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the setting should not matter as long as its not zombie or whatever

scenic cove
short vortex
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Any cdlc has to be compatible only with vanilla so that you do not get cross dependent on paid content in order to have consistent gameplay. Mods can be created then to tweak the dlcs to individual gamers needs. Else you would end up with multiple Contact DLCs.

verbal pagoda
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Well, given that "slightly postponed to 2021" has already taken three months, I think that the highest probability is that the developers of the CSLA are reworking all the content to meet the quality standards of Bohemia. The release is likely to take place in the fall or summer.

short vortex
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Not true.

fickle night
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Cut them some slack,they are doing their best.

thorny walrus
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I mean either way would be fine with me

fluid basin
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I would cut them slack, usually these type of DLC's come in with clean gun animations, reload animations, etc. So the work of doing that and hoping the animations dont entirely break sometimes is just a painful try and error process, regardless, im still hyped for the DLC.

brittle thicket
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still waiting on this to be released while BI starts announcing new dlc's

thorny walrus
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This

wet tapir
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BI doesn't work on the dlcs

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each dlc has their own team from the community

brittle thicket
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pretty sure its BI that's controlling when it releases

muted hill
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Pretty sure it's only been released when it's ready.

thorny walrus
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No BI is in charge of release now its out of the DLC devs hands

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So whenever BI feels like putting it out we will get it

nimble hatch
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Will the CSLA LAV-25 have a crew interior?

urban dew
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It does, look at the screenshots

nimble hatch
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@urban dew where can I see that?

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found em on their discord

urban dew
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Or you could look at their website too

short vortex
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Yes, it does, you can see the screenshots section in our discord, the invitation is a few posts up from yours. Mind you, the screenshots that are dated before closed beta might not represent current state of things, visually wise.

mortal ice
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huh what does CSLA actually stand for?

plucky tinsel
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Czechoslovak Peoples Army

thick parcel
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Czechoslovak pe-

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...he beat me to it

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Darn

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😄

plucky tinsel
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Československá Lidová Armáda in Czech

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my google skillz are amazing 😅

mortal ice
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yayautism thanks

thick parcel
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The fastest keyboardslinger in the weast

nimble hatch
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Cool Screenshots of LAv's

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C.S.L.A

teal coyote
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dose any one know the reason for the lack of a release date yet?

royal cloud
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Nope

mortal ice
verbal pagoda
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If Vietnam CDLC release in Q2 2021 so CSLA must be out in Q1 i hope...🤔

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or Q3...😑

sudden roost
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I would guess Q3 cuz Q1 is over as of right know

thick parcel
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Q1 is over and gone😄

jolly lantern
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BI announces dates once they are 100% sure it will happen on exactly that date.

drifting hinge
scenic cove
upper galleon
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What happened to iron curtain?

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Did it get delayed?

hollow cloak
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yes

drifting hinge
tulip elk
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What the hell? I thought the CSLA CDLC was pushed to Q1 2021. Why haven't BI or the CSLA studio given us any update? I was really exited when this DLC was announced, and now it feels like it has been canceled 😫

sand bough
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Nobody said it's Q1 2021, just 2021

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Also an update was published once

tulip elk
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I'm 100% certain that the update regarding the delay of CSLA said that it would be pushed to early 2021

sand bough
tulip elk
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"As mentioned in official Arma3 SITREP #00239, release of our CDLC will be slightly postponed to 2021"

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slightly

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If they delay it to Q3 or Q4 I wouldn't call it slightly thonk

sand bough
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When they didn't say any Qs, that's it

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Since they didn't said so, you can't be 100% sure about it

tulip elk
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I don't know

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I have a bad feeling that CSLA is ready, but BI won't release it because of the SOG prairie fire CDLC

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Yeah I might sound like a conspiracy theorist. But when a company is silent regarding a project, it's probably because they don't want to attract any attention thonk

scenic cove
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There is however no obvious reason why Bohemia Interactive would hold off one CDLC in favor of another

crystal parrot
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Don't make a fuss about it. It'll come out when it comes out

scenic cove
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It's not like any CDLC coming out earlier will make Arma 4's announcement come any sooner...

fickle narwhal
tulip elk
plucky tinsel
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Duke Nukem Forever is the only example that time doesn't equal quality 🤣

That said; the CDLC teams have very high standards when it comes to quality, so not rushing it will help getting all the (obvious) bugs out and getting out a higher quality CDLC.
And since it's not a standalone release and depending on a lot of external factors (like changes in the core game/system by BI) it's not that a CDLC team can decide when something is being released.

fickle narwhal
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Pretty sure making content and missions isn't the same as making an entire game

crimson sentinel
midnight briar
scenic cove
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Well, if you care about the quality of the SP campaign then that's subject to 'whatever the hell BI does to AI (if anything) before you release'

brave totem
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Bad quality CSLA... 😭

urban dew
scenic cove
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I presume enough people that CSLA Studio would work on one... same goes for the other two CDLCs

shrewd olive
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Ive played the campaign many times. its fun, especially when you dont have to deal with larpers but still get a narrative.

fickle narwhal
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They don't mention a campaign on the steam page but they do have missions listed

fickle narwhal
scenic cove
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Hell, if The East Wind was meant by the campaign... it's one of the recurring replies to requests for help with learning the game

mortal ice
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Some new CSLA pictures were released

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832269657481674772/CSLA_promo_2021_20.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270074890420254/CSLA_promo_2021_22.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270042343145552/CSLA_promo_2021_26.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270098454282290/CSLA_promo_2021_29.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270115709255720/CSLA_promo_2021_21.jpg

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270119245578321/CSLA_promo_2021_23.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270129298538556/CSLA_promo_2021_27.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270129890590770/CSLA_promo_2021_28.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270140074622976/CSLA_promo_2021_25.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572097587876855808/832270143308431360/CSLA_promo_2021_24.jpg

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^ image links

ionic flame
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love the skorpion holster ❤️
and the UK vz. 59
super cool gun

short vortex
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You guys are way too fast 😄

mortal ice
rugged tundra
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Looks great

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I hope CSLA and GM are compatible with one another, would make for some great Cold War gone hot content

misty bramble
short vortex
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Not sure what you mean, every mag disappears at some point during the animation?

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Besides, this is not a magazine reload action. Look at the m203.

misty bramble
misty bramble
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(even high quality mods like RHS)

midnight briar
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arma just isn't really built for that

misty bramble
midnight briar
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the way vanilla does where it just kinda moves and then dissapears is the best you're really gonna get

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you can technically have the mag follow the hand all the way but that's a huge pain in the ass to do and doesn't work super well

copper monolith
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All GM weapons do that. 🙂

misty bramble
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not just disappearing/appearing in the slot

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but also "moving" a bit

ornate sorrel
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I just saw the new screenshots and I want to be brutally honest, because I belive in dialog as growth chance.

Little premise: I've always been an huge ArmA fan since it was called Operation Flashpoint and I was 6 years old. If I'm writing this, is for the love that I have for this game series, not because I want to start a fight or just to troll devs whom I'm sure they're putting all their best effort in this project.

After examinate screenshots, I'm not really convinced by the characters' models quality. They look, at least for me, half-way between ArmA 2 models and ArmA 3. U.S. Army's guys look skinny on their arms and with strange proportion in the rest of their body. At general level all U.S. models and Insurgents models look somehow "squared" in a way that remind me a lot of ArmA AA even...
I'm not sure about vehicles yet. Too little has been show about 'em so far to judge.

By that I will buy the CDLC anyway since, as I said, I've always been an ArmA supporter and I understand the amount of effort needed for a project like this one. I just hope for futher improvement even if I'm aware that at this stage, a 3D model change is almost impossibile.

short vortex
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@misty bramble Yeah I was confused a bit. The magazine moving with the hand animation is I believe a bit of a standard so yes, they move with the hand.

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@ornate sorrel
All is cool. Discussion is welcome as long as it is kept civil. 🙂
All character models are at least on par with vanilla models regarding models complexity and texture density. Vehicles have been shown to death I believe. Except some special versions. If you want to check other, even some pre-anouncement, screenshots. Check our discord
https://discord.gg/M9quakK5SD
Or our Facebook page which holds probably every news post.
https://m.facebook.com/cslastudio/?locale2=cs_CZ

ČSLA Studio

ČSLA Studio. 487 To se mi líbí · Mluví o tom (98). CSLA Studio (founded in early 2001) is an author of one of the most known full modifications for the czech game series ArmA and author of CDLC CSLA...

severe tangle
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What did you do to water? Water in arma usually looks a bit ugly but yours not

upper galleon
mortal ice
short vortex
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Done. :) Also, there's one pinned like Pi123263 said.

placid wind
brittle thicket
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when release

sand bough
# 
addMissionEventHandler ["ReleaseDateAsked",{call CSLA_fnc_delayReleaseDate}];```
royal cloud
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😏

swift path
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Fffffffuuuuu-

low orbit
verbal pagoda
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hope to

south sonnet
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So I only recently found out that 80s US makes an appearance in this mod, which admittedly pumped up my interest a fair bit. I'm guessing CIC is basically kind of picking up for CWR3?

scenic cove
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Not quite

fickle narwhal
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It's their own thing. Not at all related to CWR3 and their team has existed in the community for close to 20 years now (I think)

scenic cove
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iirc CWR3 was more akin to 'CWC/CWA for A3' anyway, with no Czechoslovakian presence at all

cursive vine
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To be fair, ČSLA was a mod ever since then, so if CWR kept faith to OFP, then there would be none.

short vortex
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IIRC CWR's main focus is still to recreate OFP assets completely with some of the inaccuracies (on purpose).

While we focus on assets of the US military as a whole IOT to be balanced (in most areas) adversary to the CSLA.

brittle thicket
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prairie fire released and is playable

yes this is still waiting to be released despite being announced months before wtf

cursive vine
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...despite having been teased for years on end now.

brittle thicket
normal coral
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QA issues

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they redid a lot of assets

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so, it is fine

short vortex
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Not really, no.

pulsar wedge
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So you guys didn't have any QA issues?

short vortex
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About as many as any other cdlc.

thick parcel
pulsar wedge
compact lichen
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Ya they didn't upload the pictures them selves in the discord. They posted a link in the screenshot tab.

thick parcel
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There's been 2 batches of new screenshots since the announcements

compact lichen
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Correction pictures were posted in the discussion channel as well on the 15th of April.

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The newest batch

nova galleon
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this chat is dead

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im hyped

twilit iris
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The silent killer

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Everyone’s occupied with sog rn, hype will resume shortly

obtuse storm
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One day

short vortex
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Release when?

mortal ice
#

Wait a second!

fossil condor
#

🇸 shakeeyes 🇳 ❓ green_question blue_question

swift path
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SOON......

brittle thicket
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release when

bleak sleet
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hope to

weary glacier
#

when is this supposed to release omg

bleak sleet
#

we all want to know this my dude...

south sonnet
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Some say even the devs would like to know. All we know is he likes to be called the Stig

urban dew
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Whenever BI decide to release it

slim bridge
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I feel like it won't be too soon, because SOG just released. They probably don't want to release 2 DLC too close, because they would compete with one another

south sonnet
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I kinda wonder whether people are going to pick up CIC more for the CSLA or the US military when it's finally out 🤔

scenic cove
south sonnet
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Yup, so players aiming to mix the US army into a scenario featuring GM assets would want CIC in order to have the same kind of quality assets.

scenic cove
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Or unless someone didn't mind GM's M16A2 (unused by any faction, but still existent) if that's all that's needed

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and using the black C7A1 (unused by any current faction) for representing 'scope-mounted' M16s

south sonnet
scenic cove
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If one looks-the-other-way at the C7A1 and GV M/95 lacking a carry rail then they can play the role of 'scoped M16', and if one finds the West German M113s to look closer (than the Danish variants) to 1980s US M113s other than the MG3s and MILAN missiles... could pretend that they're M240s and TOW missiles respectively

thorny walrus
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BI stop holding this DLC back its been long enough since SOG came out

bleak sleet
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CSLA is based CDLC for Arma setting and im waiting only this

maiden berry
#

Anyone see that the workshop now says csla and has a terrain option for gabreta must be coming out soon.

keen sparrow
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InterestingmonkaHmm

wispy solar
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Or some modder may have access? 🤔

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Can you push stuff to workshop and make it private (or non-published)

keen sparrow
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Yes you can and yes I think that it might be a possibility.

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You can either make it unlisted, for friends only or privat (and ofcours public)

wispy solar
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friends only could be just some internal testing too

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that there isn't some weird mess-up when you try to make a mod / mission on top of the dlc

keen sparrow
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Well I think you don't need to bring in the name of the map officially to the workshop for that, as you can do that without it.
So maybe soon I guess

sand bough
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Interesting. Yeah I think I've never seen it...?

copper monolith
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It wasn't there two weeks ago. So could this mean it's getting close? 😮

mortal ice
maiden berry
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🤔

bleak sleet
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i hope

little gulch
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Maybe on 22nd of June )))
Exactly 20 years after the first game

royal cloud
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hype

copper monolith
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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?page=58&tab=comments#comment-3438862
Its now in the launcher on devbranch.

Bohemia Interactive Forums
Development Branch Changelog

02-06-2021EXE rev. 147691 (game) EXE rev. 147691 (Launcher) Size: ~78.5 MB DATA Fixed: Script errors in Vanguard multiplayer Fixed: Script error in Karts multiplayer (Zeus) racing Fixed: Default treeItem colorDisabled was using an incorrect color in Eden Editor Fixed: When sorting was applied in ...

jolly lantern
keen sparrow
thorny walrus
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How long after people seen it on workshop did SOG get released

keen sparrow
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2 Weeks maybe? I am not sure really...

obtuse storm
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: )

thorny walrus
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Gib new screens

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Show off aircraft

brittle thicket
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release when

uneven cobalt
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!delay

scenic cove
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The L-39, Mi-17, Mi-24, and Su-25 are all in the A2 sources if you want to DIY and if not then there are several mods out there, the MiG-23 and MiG-29 are also available in a few mods (although for the MiG-23 only Pook's Soviet Air Force Pack comes to mind), and there's a standalone Su-22M4

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So it'll be quite something if CSLA Iron Curtain is the return of the MiG-21

thorny walrus
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Mig 21 would be sweet we could use it for SOG too lol

thin wren
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Len cold war aircraft has a CSLA mig-29

inner jackal
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MiG-29 and L-39 are confirmed - at least are in the Homeland Airbase screenshots

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Although those screenshots are back from before the announcement of the cDLC so...

short vortex
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So they're not confirmed 🙂

inner jackal
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Yeah... But would be cool 😉

short vortex
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True. 🙂

brittle thicket
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hopefully it gets released

scenic cove
inner jackal
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LOL, but the timeframe is wrong for that Okay, wrong about that... wow...

south sonnet
scenic cove
south sonnet
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Heh. I dunno, seems to me like jets are heavily deprecated in most scenarios.

thorny walrus
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Id buy it

south sonnet
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So I'd assume there's never going to be much engagement for compat'ing migs into GM and SOG.

thorny walrus
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Well if someone made A decent one I dont see why we couldnt use it on all

south sonnet
thorny walrus
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I dont really see what the issues would be apart from any other jet

south sonnet
thorny walrus
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I dont really get your point

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We have jets already what would a mig 21 be an issue for

south sonnet
thorny walrus
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I highly doubt thats why

scenic cove
thorny walrus
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Cause thats really how nam was

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American Air superiority in the late war

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So its just a support asset for ground really

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Fits great

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And they might add some red air I mean they took the time to give it Air to Air weapons

scenic cove
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More likely that Savage couldn't get their hands on a MiG to reproduce to the same quality level...

thorny walrus
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Bro lmaoooo

scenic cove
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But yeah that's why I specified the MiG-21 in CSLA

thorny walrus
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This is not a sim

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Also theres plenty of mig 21s around

south sonnet
thorny walrus
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If they really wanted to go that in depth but I highly doubt the team behind SOG went looking for actual F-4s to model it from

scenic cove
thorny walrus
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Anything arma quality does not require modeling it off the actual aircract

scenic cove
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I'm referring to pre-existing mods, but okay

thorny walrus
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They can just look at stats and pics really

scenic cove
inner jackal
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Yeah, just that

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Apparently the post-Warsaw Pact Czech military inherited MiG-21s...

scenic cove
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while the Slovak Air Force retired their last MiG-21 variants at the end of 2002

inner jackal
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Thanks. Was surprised... always like learning new things

scenic cove
humble hare
scenic cove
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Both of those types are in Pook's Soviet Air Force Pack, as is a version of the Su-22 (export versions of the Su-17)

short vortex
upper galleon
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csla iron curtain gets released in 20th anniversarry

mortal ice
upper galleon
thorny walrus
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Im sayin 10-14 days

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Hopefully we get some kind of trailer soon...

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Or pics

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Anything

bleak sleet
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more screens of T-72Ms and Tatras pls😋 🍴

scenic cove
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🤔 I just recalled... did the L-39C and L-39ZO not have a centerline hardpoint, much less support a gun pod, and only having two underwing hardpoints, while it was the L-39ZA (from OA) that got the centerline station and two more wing pylons?

simple quiver
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the L159 has the centerline pylon, the L39 has the integral gunpod

bright rain
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L39NGs have the centreline hardpoint too. But those are a more recent version than even L159

next bolt
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Gabreta?

mortal ice
scenic cove
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@bright rain Right, though I was wondering whether the non-ZA versions didn't support a centerline gun pod at all

bright rain
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I think what Chair and I were getting at was that none of them had a centreline pylon, including the ZA

scenic cove
bright rain
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Centreline is right in front of the air-brakes, so there's probably not much you would have been able to put there on previous versions of the aircraft without blocking them from opening. I think on the L159 it only carries plamen and a small fuel tank

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But yeah, ZA added the conformal GSh-23 and ability to carry heavier munitions (strengthened wing construction), plus some IR-guided missiles

scenic cove
short vortex
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AFAIK litening III integration on centerline pylon was tested on some factory tests. I am unsure whether operational planes in the air force have them integrated.

scenic cove
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I do see that Aero was also advertising both the L-39NG (in a L-159 promo video) and the F/A-259 Striker with a centerline TGP... in the L-39NG's case, depicting it with twin-barrel gun pods on the inner pylons

cunning anchor
#

Hey everyone,
the Arma 3 Creator DLC: CSLA Iron Curtain is coming SOON!

Get ready to explore its 256 km2 "Gabreta" terrain - renowned for its pristine nature, deep forests, and tranquil towns, and host to one of the oldest European mountain ranges.

More at: https://twitter.com/Arma3official/status/1402295036461600768

thorny walrus
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Two weeks TM

mortal ice
fossil condor
fickle night
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At least it didnt turned up like Altay MBT as when it first introduced they said "Soon"

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Its 5 years now

zinc sigil
hollow cloak
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BOOIS WE GOT EM

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no official date though

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herm

nimble hatch
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I'm less confident about the "June 22nd" release rumor than you guys are. If they were trying to maximize day-one sales, they would open it for preorder like the other DLC's, wouldn't they? Why would they wait until the day of just to surprise people? Surprises wouldn't generate them the same amount of revenue.

Maybe on the 22nd they'll announce a release date for it 🙂

mortal ice
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pretty sure sog didnt, dont think GM did?

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Havent personally heard that rumour though

nimble hatch
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But yeah, I might be mistaken on the preorders, I could have sworn they were but maybe not

inner jackal
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It would make some form of sense to announce on the 20th Anniversary of OFP's release. After all ČSLA was an OFP mod released first time in November 2001 (mod team created then, release apparently Jan 2002)... Not saying it will be then, but would not surprise me

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And no, no preorders for the cDLCs so far

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Wish there were...

thorny walrus
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Would be a great opportunity

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And ya they kind or just drop then out of nowhere

twilit iris
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I remember GM was announced and released in super short time, so it could just drop on a dime

drifting hinge
sand bough
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The... what?

drifting hinge
#

™️

sand bough
#

Ah

drifting hinge
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Its hard to see

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If the screen is dark

sand bough
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It's like a ghillie :)

wild saffron
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pepehype Its comin.

inner jackal
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Soon™️ 😋

thorny hazel
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if yall open up the arma launcher and go to the DLC section

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the ČSLA CDLC is up there already

inner jackal
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That's just prep... cDLC is still not for sale on the store... yet!

thorny hazel
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My wallet is already screaming

inner jackal
thorny hazel
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hohohoho, time to jump in there

scenic cove
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Notice a 'Compatibility Data' button in the launcher's DLC section too?

thorny hazel
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I've jumped into that discord, and I gotta say, the screenshots do not dissapoint, thank you very much for this

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YEEEEEEEP

inner jackal
thorny hazel
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oh man, now I can really justify this to myself haha

west schooner
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so what do you think are the chances we will be able to mod the US forces in this DLC, for desert operations? 6pat and DCU's? im excited about the deltas with the accurate nato special forces vests finally lol.

scenic cove
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Depends on how quickly GM-style template textures are uploaded and the specifics publicly documented

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For example, the BIKI page for Global Mobilization Retexturing was created by Mondkalb the day before that CDLC's release

inner jackal
west schooner
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^ ah thats good to know, thanks! 🙂

nimble hatch
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Doesn't mean it's here yet 😄

thorny hazel
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Oh lol, that's an interesting one too 😄

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Well atleast, looking at the bright side I aint sniffing and screeching round for arma4 😄

inner jackal
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Start saving up now 😉

manic steppe
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So what does this cdlc bring except assets and a map? I havent seen any videos or anything about it

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Any campaigns? Or game modes?

keen sparrow
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Scenarios
Use the full potential of both armies' inventory. Battle Czechoslovak armored columns in your trusty Abrams tank. Lead a team of Special Forces on a combat patrol in enemy territory. Get together with a group of fellow players and liberate vast territories from the hands of other human players or AI forces. Alternatively, get back to the roots and visit a military equipment showcase at a local airbase to test all vehicles and weapons in a military training area.

Stated on the official page on steam, nothing else announced yet I think. (Could be wrong)

manic steppe
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Thanks buddy

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A warfare mode would suit this really well I think like back in the old days

scenic cove
brittle thicket
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about fuckin time

manic steppe
south sonnet
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When I get my hands on CSLA, I'm going to quickly make a scenario where you're fighting US soldiers wearing the MGSR rain ponchos in some kind of camp 😆

mossy gust
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📼

tired adder
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👀

royal cloud
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👀

sand bough
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What do you mean, JJ? CSLA Jron Curtain?

mortal ice
royal cloud
keen sparrow
fossil condor
inner jackal
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😋

wild saffron
turbid summit
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hmm, so why the hell it failed in #socials as webhook to show the embeds

turbid summit
scenic cove
turbid summit
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ye both 29 and 39 were awesome planes for 'tiny' country design and it can fly anywhere, anytime and be fixed with hammer

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i know more than 1 airplane technician who can swear his life on that

sudden roost
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so basically the lada of airplanes?

warm cedar
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i heard Lada?

fickle night
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Does anyone know what planes are we getting with CSLA?

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I think I saw F-5

warm cedar
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i heard something about fixed wing will not make it in the release version but maybe will follow after release not sure if its still true

twilit iris
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The AN-2 will be there

fickle night
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and helicopters?

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beside transport ones

twilit iris
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there are armed variants of the uh-60 and mi-17

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no, it’s the mi-17

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The russian ones are the mi-8

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But they’re really similar

wispy solar
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mi-17 is also mi-8 AFAIK 😏

twilit iris
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Not exactly

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An mi-17 is sometimes modified, but they’re all built on the basis of the original mi-8

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Basically the mi-17 is the export version

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There’s not enough differences arma wise for you to notice too much

scenic cove
#

We previously saw screenshots of the L-39 and MiG-29, I don't recall seeing any US forces fixed-wing though

twilit iris
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We haven’t seen screenshots for those since it was announced as a cdlc

boreal hornet
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The L-39 and Mig are from CSLA mod right?

bright rain
twilit iris
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Easy visual difference for those, the mi-17 tail rotor is in the left side, while the mi-8 is the right side*

twilit iris
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Aswell as the mig won’t

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Idk about the l-39, but I don’t think so aswell

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funnily enough, CSLA in real life traded their mig-29s to poland for more helicopters

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Cause migs were useless to such a small country

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I feel the same with arma maps, mig-29 is way too high performance to have fun with

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L-29 would work so much better

scenic cove
twilit iris
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I have not once seen the jets dlc aircraft be used, maybe the gripen

misty bramble
#
  • gryphon
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but anyway, I'm also interested to know if the DLC will add any aircraft, or if it's all just helicopters meowsweats

twilit iris
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gryphon in arma, gripen irl

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The dlc only has confirmed 2 helis and the an2

warm cedar
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You don't need aircraft when you can have tatra

twilit iris
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And even the an2 I’m making an assumption because it’s in the official screenshots

misty bramble
twilit iris
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The screenshots in the official screenshots of the csla discord

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there is also an airbase and a improvised airfield tho

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This is from like 2019

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I assume it’s apart of the cdlc because they didn’t remove it from their screenshot sections like they did with the mig and f-5

visual leaf
#

The announcement of June 22nd must be huge if they are releasing the CDLC june 16th!

copper monolith
twilit iris
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Always on top of things

manic steppe
#

Is there an official trailer?

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Or anything haha

manic steppe
twilit iris
#

Keep in mind each cdlc had their trailer release on launch day

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I don’t imagine them to change it up now

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There plenty of screenshots that have been put out on official Twitter and discord

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Even some short gameplay clips

manic steppe
manic steppe
twilit iris
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This is a gameplay video from a very old internal test, it shouldn’t reflect the final product but it gives you an idea https://youtu.be/Tr7-4NCsrt8

manic steppe
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Thanks bud ❤

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Whats the homeland thing? Is it a game mode?

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Oh the map

keen sparrow
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I think that was the original maps name.

manic steppe
#

Gotchya

cunning anchor
twilit iris
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The best thing to rely on is official screenshots from steam and Bohemia pages

turbid summit
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ironcurtain from cslastudio

simple quiver
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nice

verbal mesa
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How is this DLC different than global DLC?

sand bough
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Global DLC?

misty bramble
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global mob gm

bright rain
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Different countries and equipment are represented

verbal mesa
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You act like my ex-wife by answering a question with a question. My understanding is that they all take place in the Cold War one is in Germany and one is in Czechoslovakia. So other than a map being different, what is the difference?

scenic cove
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Different equipment due to the different factions

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For example, Mi-17s and UH-60s instead of Mi-2s and CH-53Gs and PAH-1s (Bo-105s)

scenic cove
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No US forces in GM, which also means that CSLA Iron Curtain will have different iterations of the M113

verbal mesa
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Now now there's no reason to be an asshole and a name caller.

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I'm sure you're the local expert aren't you muck. The one that likes to call out newbies, when you forget that you are one yourself once. Thank you for those who respectfully answered a simple question

scenic cove
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Just took a look at a screenshot of CSLA Iron Curtain, and it's got the M163 VADS (oh god someone's going to complain about ports from A2... nevermind that I swear SOGPF was allowed to get away with that)

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which is something that hasn't been an official Arma asset since A1

boreal hornet
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What in SOGPF are ported from A2? I'm not aware of any besides some building interiors

scenic cove
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Oh, I mean 'porting from A2 at all'... and allegedly some of the building assets are dressed up versions of vanilla (read: Altian) buildings

boreal hornet
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Yeah, but all vehicle and weapon models are new

scenic cove
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Heh, I'm remembering the critiques about RHS 'vs.' CUP in that respect (RHS being allowed to 'get away' with A2 ports versus CUP being criticized for being A1/A2 ports) when I think of SOGPF 'vs.' GM and CSLA

boreal hornet
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Right

scenic cove
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for porting from A2 at all, however minor

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On-topic for this channel: the OT-62 (amphibious tracked APC) mentioned on the CDLC's Steam page is based on the BTR-50, which I've read is based on the PT-76 used in GM but without the tank gun

scenic cove
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Oh and both the FAL and Sa-58 are returning for the first time since Arma 2: Operation Arrowhead, with neither of them having appeared in GM or in SOG

next bolt
# verbal mesa Now now there's no reason to be an asshole and a name caller.

No need to be annoyingly ignorant & arrogant. GM & CSLA are different, by definition. Different name, different content, different producers, different release dates. So you coming in here and insinuating that they are the same thing, even after being told by helpful people they are not the same and then contesting that fact with just your opinion annoys people.

verbal mesa
#

It was a simple question dude. I don't care if your feathers got ruffled or not. It was a simple question that you and your boyfriend's got upset about.

boreal hornet
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Any mods here? Do not click the link above, scammer

thorny walrus
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@scenic cove i dont think anything has been ported from A2

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In this dlc

south sonnet
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Not even, there's a U where you put an I.

short vortex
# verbal mesa How is this DLC different than global DLC?

In terms of assets included, very. Form the top of my head only a few weapons and a bmp might be considered duplicate. Everything else is unique accordingly to factions depicted. Also, even though some of the factions might have used the same weapons/vehicles, these would very often differ in their versions.

feral trellis
#

Any idea on the release date?

short vortex
feral trellis
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Thank you

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Can I get your honest opinion on some of the dlc?

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Have you gotten the opportunity to test iron curtain?

short vortex
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It's great, obviously. 😁 I'm one of the devs. Maybe wait a bit after the release and decide if you want to buy it.

feral trellis
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Did you work on prairie fire too?

short vortex
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I did not, that's a whole different team.

feral trellis
#

do you know how big the download will be for iron curtain?

scenic cove
sand bough
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Talking 1.0s, ČSLA is definitely not smaller in asset numbers than already released CDLCs. Also, the size is not half of both combined but less than a half of one (pick whichever your want).
#572098201650200578 message
In CSLA Discord

twilit iris
obsidian dragon
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hi biwwy

fickle night
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Isnt 11 GB quite low?

mortal ice
twilit iris
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I’m just basing it off the steam store page, sometimes they’re off by a few GB

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So it could be 15

feral trellis
#

Will there be any jets?

keen sparrow
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IIRC, no or atleast not at the release, but not really sure.

sand bough
#

Can we expect it in 1200 UTC of 16th just like SOGPF did so? Or can't say?

bright rain
#

Release time depends on how long it takes for Steam to sort their side out usually

sand bough
#

Fair

sudden roost
#

Guys we need some more hype!
It's so quiet in here compared to the SOG-Channel before launch

mortal ice
#

hype!

sudden roost
#

🇭 🇾 🇵 🇪

royal cloud
jolly lantern
sand bough
#

Wow cursed emoji I've ever seen

mortal ice
#

^

short vortex
#

That's the calm before the storm 😅

placid wind
lunar marsh
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I think there isn't a large interest in this.

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tbh

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As you already had Global Mobilization

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S.O.G was advertised with the campaign and authenticity in mind.

frosty grove
short vortex
lunar marsh
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but the thing with cold war is

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there are tons of mods out there that almost have the same effect. And you already have global mobilization which was also cold war.

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But that's just my 2 cents

short vortex
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No problem ☺️. I was just pointing out that the interest is pretty big. Also, there is almost no overlap with GM or SOG.

twilit iris
lunar marsh
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That's true

twilit iris
#

Also lots of new assets coming that mods can’t offer

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Plenty of brand new Czechoslovak assets

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And American assets we’ve never seen

scenic cove
#

I vaguely recall that CSLA-as-a-free-mod never actually released for A3, while GM had only the one demo vehicle and afaik no other 'Cold War Germany' free mods were released

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so out of the current CDLCs the only one to overlap with a publicly available mod is SOGPF

twilit iris
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And even with the overlaps, the paid option is far outclassing the mod version

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I’m honestly excited for a lot of the new support vehicles

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Like the American pickups

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Or the praga

scenic cove
#

there are tons of mods out there that almost have the same effect.
If you don't mind 'M16s and AKs' standing in for country-specific weapons

inner jackal
#

Global Mobilization and ČSLA also look to nicely complement each other for Cold War scenarios in the US VII Corps AO in the 1980s, GM providing East and West German and ČSLA the US and Czechoslovak assets needed to round things out

scenic cove
scenic cove
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e.g. all three CDLCs so far have their own versions of the M16 and 5.56 mm, although GM's isn't yet assigned to any faction

twilit iris
#

And there will surely be reskins and new factions created from the assets

sand yoke
#

Fia more like cia

brittle thicket
scenic cove
#

And the NDA probably means that no explanation for said delay will be forthcoming

fickle night
#

I mean its finally here now

#

People will come back to it eventually

tidal tundra
#

Gib now

obtuse storm
#

S o o n

inner jackal
#

™️

thick parcel
hollow cloak
#

I'm glad that decision was taken

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i'd take another year if it meant more polish and more content

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but nah I want it now

thick parcel
#

😄

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Im looking forward to the release too 🙂

short vortex
short vortex
#

As we near the release we've setup CSLA Iron Curtain wiki page on the bohemia wiki. Currently, it contains only the basic information from Steam page a links to all our social media and web accounts. Later on we'll fill the category pages with important info on assets classes, attributes, emblems, textures and other useful information.

south sonnet
twilit iris
#

It needed Polka about unhealthy drinking habits

fickle night
#

Come on

#

Gib

half dawn
#

Was it supposed to be released today?

urban dew
#

12:00 utc

twilit iris
#

it's releasing the 16th, when on the 16th is up for debate

upper galleon
urban dew
#

Yep

jolly lantern
#

It depends on steam. And from last releases it can be between minutes and several hours from when we say "release it please" that it actually happens.

#

Its always a surprise

sudden roost
#

Out of curiosity: when did you say : "release it please" in the case of SOG?

copper monolith
#

For GM's release it took a while because it was somewhere with steam. I think we eventually had it unlocked at around 7pm Euro Time, but had hoped for way earlier. So it really is a bit of an uncertain thing. But that was 2 years ago, perhaps Steam streamlined this now? 🙂

jolly lantern
#

I don't remember for SOG. But I think it went out about 2 hours after we did

mortal ice
#

It still took a while for SOG, yeah

sharp crypt
#

And when its out how Update the server same way ? Creatordlc its then for all cdlc the same ?

short vortex
#

Everything should be the same yes.

south sonnet
#

So I noticed some peculiar knee pads in one image of the US soldiers. Those knee pads happen to look a whole lot like the ones Snake uses with his BDUs in MGS3 and 5 xD

thorny hazel
#

Did the CSLA team say "release it please"? 😄

urban dew
#

Steam and BI are pulling our leg

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Surprises aren’t fun especially when you take a day off work for it

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🙃

tired adder
#

Hi all, we are targeting a release in the European afternoon. This has been the case for pretty much all Arma 3 releases for various reasons, including having our partners at Steam be available in their timezone. People who already own CSLA (f.e. beta testers), may already see some (Steam) data movements sooner ironcurtain

thorny hazel
#

just be patient and hope for the best my guy

mortal ice
copper monolith
#

Steam HQ is in seattle, it's 1:30am there right now. So It'll probably be still a while.

unreal marlin
#

Sorry i am a bit late to the party, but is there Info on what Forces will be available? the site doesnt load for me

urban dew
thorny hazel
#

iirc it only had like

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an aproximation on release time in the steam page

urban dew
#

Yes, this does not

thorny hazel
#

welp, either way it is confirmed that its coming out today (as in european today)

urban dew
#

Wasted a day off work so I could make a couple missions but just sat around doing nothing lol

nimble dove
#

What? Not even released yet but already has one negative review:

Bohemia Interactive released this notoriously weak successor to ARMA 2 as Steam-exclusive, so it would be propped up by modders. They restricted the forums so only owners can post to silence criticism
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My mind explodes from the vacuum of sense which this review has

granite crow
#

Imagine thinking that Steam exclusive is a bad thing

#

That sounds like someone who doesn't play or care about Arma. I wouldn't put that much, if any, stock in reviews that that

nimble dove
granite crow
#

lmfao yes

thorny hazel
#

hold up what lmao

#

maybe they thought this had some like connections to the arma2 czech armed forces dlc

nimble dove
nimble dove
twilit iris
thorny hazel
#

I mean at the same time, he doesnt recommend stuff like stalker 2

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which is like

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lmao?

twilit iris
#

He just review bombs everything Bohemia releases with that message

granite crow
#

It's from the Anti-Defamation League

#

hahahahaha

#

The irony is too strong

hasty bison
#

This is not a real review !

thorny hazel
#

Hes got like 560 not recommended stuff, so sheesh cant even take him seriosuly

granite crow
short vortex
#

This review has been on Steam for quite some time. It somehow fell through from A3 reviews.

twilit iris
#

I believe curators can review things without even owning them

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I’m not sure tho

upper galleon
#

According to steamDB SOG had their store details all unlocked and updated at 1200 UTC. So i reckon in under 3 hours we will finally learn how much this will cost. very strange that the price is not known in advance for this unlike for any of the other dlc for arma 3.

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and when it releases it will be vindication time magic

inner lily
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I imagine it will be around the same price as Global Mobilisation, if not cheaper given the amount of content that has been added in it

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Also S.O.G did have a discount on the day of release which may happen with CSLA as well

jolly lantern
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blobcat_bongo_a I love it

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thorny hazel
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Please, I wont make it through today with sneak peeks like this 😄

jolly lantern
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apparently closed beta testers already have access

short vortex
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Yes.

jolly lantern
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atleast my two testers are streaming it in discord and flying around the map 😄

mortal ice
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Size seems to be 7.5GB

jolly lantern
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looking mighty fine