#other_ip_topics | ARMA | Page 16

obsidian cypress May 17, 2019, 10:23 AM

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And I'm not really sure that it works tbh

vast stump May 17, 2019, 11:38 AM

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There is the report flag.

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Only author can issue a dmca.

winter perch May 18, 2019, 7:45 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1744974867&searchtext=

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🤔

vast stump May 18, 2019, 8:15 PM

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while ~~its likely~~ migth be a translation mod, thats not the right way to do it

dim temple May 21, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Say that I have been maintaining a mission for 2 years now. And in those 2 years every line of code has been rewritten at some point in time. And almost all scripts have been fundamentally reworked. The only thing that's really the same is the name of the mission. Would I be doing something wrong by releasing this on the forum if credit is kept in place? This mission has never been released anywhere, just run on a server.

inland sphinx May 21, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Well who made the mission originally? If you edited everything in small parts it's probably still a derivative.
If it's your mission or your groups mission then I assume it's fine if you/your group are fine with it

dim temple May 21, 2019, 12:45 PM

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The problem is that I can't contact a few of the original contributors

shell scaffold May 21, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Then you are relying on the license it came with, and if it didn't come with one then your bang out of luck for publishing and probably shouldn't continue to modify it since you have no rights to do so.

dim temple May 21, 2019, 1:19 PM

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It didn't come with a written license but we're allowed to modify it

lean plover May 21, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Not BI related, continue here #other_ip_topics

sweet patio May 21, 2019, 1:46 PM

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huh this is already the channel

lean plover May 21, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Shit, sorry

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😂

inland sphinx May 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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🔫

lean plover May 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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I just trolled myself

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🤦

willow crane May 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@dim temple What have you got to prove that you are allowed to modify it? Emails, chat text, screenshots?

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at best you are looking at a derivative work. But if you are claiming its is now substantially different than the original AND you have proof that you had rights to maintain and modify it then you may have a claim to IP rights but without the original licence its your word vs no other evidence.

dim temple May 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Forum messages stating that we can continue to use and maintain the mission

willow crane May 21, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Which forum? If its the BIF then you may get lucky and one of the Mods MIGHT be able to verify it for you. Burden of proof lies with you though.

fiery egret May 21, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Or you can always make a copy of the forum topic on https://web.archive.org

dim temple May 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Not BI forum no, but the messages haven't been deleted. I know it's no issue for me to keep updating it and that I can't upload the original mission anywhere. My question basically is when does it stop being a derivative and when does it become a new thing I own the IP over?

inland sphinx May 21, 2019, 5:42 PM

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You basically have to make a new thing from scratch for it not to be a derivative

dim temple May 21, 2019, 5:43 PM

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I feared so yea. Bummer as I've probably put more hours into that mission as the original author did but oh well, so be it.

shell scaffold May 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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I know which mission is Stanhope referring too. When the original mission authors have left the community, this question was already raised at the time. The only spoken permission that was given, was the one it can be used on the servers, but not to be shared via any other service.

dim temple May 22, 2019, 7:28 AM

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You assume I only play at one community under one name pero, I don't

shell scaffold May 22, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Alright, nevermind then

spark raven May 22, 2019, 9:40 AM

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I came here guys to ask specyfic quedtion about license and stuff, so lets start, i found quite old arma 2 OA addon with quite good models and i wanted to compare quality of that XYZ mod with A3 standard like RHS or Vanilla, did a bunch screens posted on my steam gallery and original author came to me with something like "you cant read license you stupid fuck" i told him i just loaded his pbo, and he cant DMCA people because they use his public work then blocked him and later deleted screens

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Did i did something wrong?

woeful zinc May 22, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Did license stated that this A2 addons can be only used in Arma 2?

spark raven May 22, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Nope

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No ports allowed

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Im asking if loading pbo is considered porting

rugged jay May 22, 2019, 10:42 AM

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How does cup work if no ports allowed

rapid escarp May 22, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Referring to a specific A2 user-made addon. Not BI's A2 content

rugged jay May 22, 2019, 10:58 AM

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ohhh my bad

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sorry about that

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shouldve read more

spark raven May 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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I was going to ask author if he lets me update his mod if he is not going to port it

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License is license but after few years he might update it

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But instead od that he got butt hurt about loading pbo

rapid escarp May 22, 2019, 11:01 AM

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He got butthurt about you publishing screenshots of it

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Same reason they have the "no private addons" rule on the forums

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It's easy to misconstrue it as an effort to rip and port it to A3

old jay May 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads.

spark raven May 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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big thanks for explain, now i realized it was looking like i was ripping his work, case closed

old jay May 22, 2019, 7:18 PM

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👍

misty linden May 26, 2019, 11:56 PM

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People in the arma community, atleast in the newbie exile one, disrespect IP so much. Had a lot of examples, this being the most recent in the comments:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1701131883

patent copper May 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/shame-pity-reload-shotgun-gif-5160379

Tenor

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Time to get these DMCAs rolling I suppose

misty linden May 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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I couldn't stop laughing that he found someone "censoring" through a legitimate DMCA, more of an issue than actually copyright infringement. To which apparently there is no issue because IP isn't real "Property". haha

patent copper May 27, 2019, 12:14 AM

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11,26 GB 😬

misty linden May 27, 2019, 12:16 AM

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The description reminds me of old youtube videos. "I DO NOT OWN THIS MOVIE. IT BELONGS TO FOX MEDIA THEY GET ALL THE CREDIT FOR THEIR WORK" lol

patent copper May 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

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People still do that 😄

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and then their video get's striked and they are all confused "I gave credit, how come they were allowed to strike it?!"

pine storm May 27, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I know you already pointed it out, but I feel like I need to put the full quote so everyone can get a good laugh.

"Intellectual property isn't real property since its data in hard drives in this case, that's why its not stealing. Also, censoring intellectual property usually is censorship and tends to be abused by going past "stealing""

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From the comments on @misty linden's link

sweet patio May 27, 2019, 6:46 AM

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because that is not the scope of battle eye

inland sphinx May 27, 2019, 12:54 PM

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In case you don't know. IP violations also violate our discord and forum rules. So if you know a guy has a discord/forum acc, and can prove that it's his account. Tell a moderator

high wasp May 28, 2019, 5:12 PM

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@misty linden People in the arma community, atleast in the newbie exile one, disrespect IP so much.

It's not entirely specific to the Arma community. Look at the entirety of the internet - it happens everywhere. It's only more prominent in Arma because it is a sandbox game with an incentive for communities to have content to get players. Plus, the Steam workshop (being unmoderated) makes it very easy for people to reupload with little to no experience.

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It'd be awesome to have a curated workshop for Arma 3 to be honest, but that would require at least one person reviewing submissions as a full-time job

lean plover May 28, 2019, 5:16 PM

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```It's only more prominent in Arma because it is a sandbox game with an incentive for communities to have content to get players````
not just that. the arma community is also one of the few communities (from what i know) where content creators fight back with hard bandages

fiery egret May 28, 2019, 5:33 PM

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But why do they all have the need to re-upload all that data if they can simply create a collection, instead?

old jay May 28, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Because they are idiots?

fiery egret May 28, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Fair enough, I guess... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

high wasp May 28, 2019, 6:01 PM

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@fiery egret Taking out the moral side of the argument, it is actually more convenient for a lot of people to reupload because then they can control exactly which PBO's are included, what versions of the mods they have, and put it down everything into one download for everyone. They're basically treating the workshop as their own personal Arma3Sync repository. And the reason for not using an A3Sync repo is that it is not built into the launcher, and your speeds (regardless of the server speed you get) are almost always gonna be slower than what Steam can provide.

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It's obviously wrong to do, but I understand the "why" of why they do that - even I though I obviously don't approve of it.

misty linden May 29, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Yeah I agree about it being every community. What astounds me is the biteback though, if you are like that violates IP and they're like glrg glrg shh who cares, why would they publish it if they didn't want us using it. I'm like damn man, had no idea people are so disrespectful to things they get for free from other peoples time.

high wasp May 29, 2019, 4:37 AM

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I've been developing software for 8 years, and never fail, anything I have EVER posted on Github has been stolen and repacked with a price tag on it elsewhere.

That's why I don't share my code anymore, and refused to continue freelancing - too many shitty people in the world. Only work I do now is that which I am paid salary for 😂

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Same shit happens to many Arma devs - why create when it will just be stolen?

cinder glacier May 29, 2019, 5:35 AM

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I think there are many people who don't have a care in the world if their work is "stolen" or repackaged anywhere else, only that their effort was put into something useful and utilized.

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for mods for a game, you would think that creating and editing mods would be for the purpose of improving your enjoyment of the game and sharing those improvements with others.

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In that sense a collective effort by the community to fix issues warrants lax licenses, if any, and github distribution of the code so others can contribute.

vast stump May 29, 2019, 9:11 AM

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@cinder glacier contribution might not be a problem if done right, but when the "enjoyment" is using something you made to be available as free on a pay walled server to make ez money on kids who don't know it should be free the purpose is lost.

cinder glacier May 29, 2019, 9:12 AM

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I completely agree with that, but honestly putting up paywalls on servers should have been banned and enforced a long time ago. I am amazed monetized servers are even a thing.

high wasp May 29, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Paid servers can create really great content when done right.

vast stump May 29, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Sure. The done right part is just not very common

inland sphinx May 29, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Depends if the model he bought originally allows that

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Many online model store's have licenses that don't allow that

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But some allow it. Depends

old jay May 29, 2019, 2:02 PM

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they must also be approved to do so https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3

Bohemia Interactive

Approved Server Monetizers | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive monetization rules.

inland sphinx May 29, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Also "selling" and "donations" are two completely different things.
At the point where you get something back, it's not a donation anymore

old jay May 29, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Correct. Selling something for server donations is selling, not donating.

inland sphinx May 30, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Just going through TFAR reuploads, instead of spending that time on development... I hate these people.
Gonna spare you the effort and only list stuff that I don't DMCA on my own, don't need multiple DMCA's per item I'd say.

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Okey haywood-2018 count is at 5 now.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1626033358 cup vehicles, sfp_bo105, RH Weapons, NiArms
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1626037528 sfp_objects
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1422997080 CUP Weapons
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1310941627 AiA TP??
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1717271218 CUP Weapons, Discord Rich presence
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1503466052 CUP Weapons

Aand 2 hours of potential TFAR dev time wasted on this crap.

lean plover May 30, 2019, 6:44 PM

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why the F do ppl reupload AiA...?

knotty vapor May 30, 2019, 10:57 PM

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reported the one you found thank you

inland sphinx May 31, 2019, 6:49 AM

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I found two with cl3 @knotty vapor

knotty vapor May 31, 2019, 8:02 AM

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o yer doing 2nd one once its downloaded thanks

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done

dull spear May 31, 2019, 10:06 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/223576-bis-enforce-your-own-license/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

BIS, enforce your own license

While @Siege-As thread has been temporarily locked for a month and a half, I see a lot of obvious rip-off on the Workshop... Copyright protection should be enforced everywhere, not only on the forums. On one hand, we have mods being locked even before release (solely based on...

wet gate May 31, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Nothing tickles me more than DMCA'ing a steam workshop item that was posted the same day

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Yes, am I cruel? Maybe, but it clearly says on my steam workshop item do not reupload, so...

misty linden May 31, 2019, 10:57 PM

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@wet gate What is your mod?

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Also is there an easyway to find your reuploaded work?

wet gate May 31, 2019, 11:02 PM

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DHI Uniforms and Equipment. I love that people can enjoy it the proper way and I try to accommodate reasonable requests for them, but people who blatantly break my EULA I have very little sympathy.

misty linden May 31, 2019, 11:05 PM

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I 100% get that, and it sucks because the steamwork shop should easily have the capability to check MD5's or so forth for reuploaded content then flag it to the creator.

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Youtube does it, but that's because the owners have money

fiery egret May 31, 2019, 11:27 PM

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@misty linden Use this: https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/

misty linden Jun 1, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Thats awesome

elfin coral Jun 1, 2019, 5:43 AM

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md5's can be faked easily, sha256 is nigh on impossibru to fake however.

main steeple Jun 2, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Is using a2 textures on ported gear from a2 samples alright? Since there are no textures in the a2 samples...

rapid escarp Jun 2, 2019, 6:29 PM

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That's why BI released the binarized "Arma Licensed Data Packs" as well

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ALDP_A2_PBOs_APL-SA_part1.zip etc. here https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/licensed-data-packages

Bohemia Interactive

Licensed Data Packages | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive is an independent game development studio, known for the Arma series, DayZ, Take On Mars, Ylands, and more.

main steeple Jun 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Didnt know about that yet, thank you.

shell scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 10:09 AM

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(Not sure where this belongs so I'll post it there too, sorry for double posting)
Do you think this is enough proof to have ArmA 3 Project Life's (A3PL) monetization removed from ALL their severs? Or maybe even have them shut down for good?
https://imgur.com/gallery/DkoEYJV

old jay Jun 5, 2019, 11:28 AM

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@shell scaffold

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📎 unknown.png

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3

Bohemia Interactive

Approved Server Monetizers | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive monetization rules.

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Use the report button (circled in red) and include all relevant info.

blissful ridge Jun 5, 2019, 11:49 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1381545544 well I dont know if Firewill is around here, but someone is at it as you can see
not ripped but still reupload

vocal lodge Jun 6, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Hey theres a website dedicated to leaking files of scripts/framework/models/maps/apps.etc from arma. I dont want to link it here because its a thiefs wet dream but is there anything can be done to take em down?their website ignors dmca and whenever they finally get taken down , the people reopen a new site 🤷🏻‍♂️ any ideas how to go about it ?

inland sphinx Jun 6, 2019, 7:07 AM

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By the 21 thousand subscribers on there and it being over a year old. I assume firewill doesn't care...

obsidian cypress Jun 6, 2019, 4:34 PM

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@NJDevil666#6779 You can take them down again and again but for every one you take down, another appears. That's how Internet works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

low basin Jun 7, 2019, 3:51 PM

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https://www.bohemia.net/blog/licensed-data-package-for-dayz
Licensed Data Packages for DayZ

All content previously released under APL will also be made available under DPL. Users may opt for one or the other.
All content previously released under APL-SA will also be made available under ADPL-SA. Users may opt for one or the other.
All DayZ Mod data, previously released under DML-SA, will be made available under ADPL-SA. Users may opt for one or the other

inland sphinx Jun 7, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Let's just wait till some brain-inhibited person missunderstands "All content previously released under APL-SA will also be made available under ADPL-SA" and uses it as permission to port all Arma mods to DayZ

rapid escarp Jun 7, 2019, 3:59 PM

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They could maybe change that to "All Bohemia Interactive content..."

lean plover Jun 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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@hearty moat
wanna take a look at the wording?

hearty moat Jun 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I'll notify Jules, I am not the man in charge of those things.

lean plover Jun 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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thanks anyway

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 9:09 AM

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I was wondering if someone could help me understand ShackTac User Interface's terms of use?

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It says
Usage of any mod within ShackTac UI / STUI requires agreement with the following terms. The mods (STUI) may NOT be modified, included in other mods in whole or part, used for military training or any commercial purposes whatsoever, without prior permission from the authors. Redistribution of the addon via 6updater/PwS etc is permitted only if the individual mods being used are unmodified and free of charge. Modifications are forbidden without prior permission from the authors.

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Now, I was wondering if it is allowed to take out one of the pbo's (stui_groupindicators.bpo) and upload that to the steam workshop?

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Oh! @sacred aspen is on here. I guess I'll just ask you?

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:45 AM

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"Redistribution of the addon via 6updater/PwS etc is permitted only if the individual mods being used are unmodified and free of charge. Modifications are forbidden without prior permission from the authors."

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I assume that Steam Workshop is included in the etc part so

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But since you're only uploading one pbo it wouldnt be unmodified

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 9:46 AM

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"and upload that to the steam workshop" you cannot upload anything to the steam workshop that you didn't make yourself, steam subscriber agreement is specific about that

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Also by uploading to steam you need to give steam the rights to use it commercially, but the license above forbids commercial use, and only the author (or a legal representative) himself can grant exceptions to the license

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Oh good to know that steam also says something about that

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Subscriber agreement 6D I think

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Also oopi why do you want to reupload only one of the pbo's of the mod? @jolly canopy

fiery egret Jun 8, 2019, 9:53 AM

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There are two snippets that Everyone Must Know About, as of late: Article 13 and Subscriber Agreement 6D 😉

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Hehehe

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Arh, alright. Sorry, I meant remove the one PBO and upload the rest to remove the hexagonal markers on players. But I guess that's a moot point :) I would prefer it to be part of the original, so I'll start bucking for that

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Ah okay

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Arent the hexagons on squad mates part of vanilla arma?

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Or does STUI add its own?

fiery egret Jun 8, 2019, 9:56 AM

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btw. I'm still wondering how does that relate to Open Source code that someone may be using in their mod (meaning they are not the author(s) of some parts of the code, nor can they lessen the licensing restictions, as in the GPL case)

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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The Article 13 bit or something else?

fiery egret Jun 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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The other one: 6D, this time 😛

elfin coral Jun 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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generally with oss you include the licence along with that piece of code.

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Maybe in lower dificulties? I'm not sure actually. STUI adds its own

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Ahh okay

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But ye @jolly canopy check if you can disable those in the addon settings

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 9:58 AM

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We did check that already and we can't

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Hm

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 9:59 AM

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with oss the contributors usually agree that their code is distributed with the license., afaik GPL allows commercial use?

fiery egret Jun 8, 2019, 9:59 AM

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@elfin coral I know. I'm talking about having to allow Steam to use that code commercially. While the GPL doesn't prohibit that, it adds the share-alike restriction that you cannot discard if you're merely using that GPL code in your mod

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Is STUI on Github?

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Because if so you could always make a PR that makes those hexagons optional

fiery egret Jun 8, 2019, 10:00 AM

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I'd have to read that 6D again but I'll do that later as I'm kinda busy atm 😕

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Busy releasing vanilla Frontline owowhatsthis ?

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(/sarcasm)

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Which is something I want to suggest to @sacred aspen I just need to find the correct place to do that

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@turbid meadow It's on GitLab I think?

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:01 AM

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I dunno how active this is but maybe https://gitlab.com/shacktac-public/general/wikis/home

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Yeah :)

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Alright, thanks for answers guys!

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:02 AM

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http://prntscr.com/nz6piu

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yikes

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hi veteran

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Lol there you go

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Well shucks

surreal yacht Jun 8, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Or just use DUI and customize it to your likings 🤷. Without the need to reupload anything.

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:03 AM

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hehe that works too

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Arh! Thanks for the tip!

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Hate to use something else, STUI is an old love, but I guess there's a time for everything :)

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:06 AM

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DUI is quite nice

elfin coral Jun 8, 2019, 10:08 AM

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regarding those git issues, if one were to actually create a pull request with their suggested fixes/modifications in code, building with no issues and tested in game, it is usually more likely to be merged into a repository. that is the way git works. of course ST have the ability to ignore such requests as it is their repo.

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usually when you request a modification to oss, you submit what you want to modify.

surreal yacht Jun 8, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Their repo is for issues only and their code is not open source.

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That's the main reason DUI was created AFAIK

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Incase you mean the pic that I posted, I meant that there wasnt much (public) dev activity

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As in stuff like devs commenting on issues

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 10:13 AM

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DUIs performance is much better, it's much easier to configure, and it's dev actually listens to feedback he gets

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Not that I noticed it, but I didn't know there was a performance gain between the two? Is it significant?

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 10:18 AM

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ShackTac UI was so bad that I dropped it even though I loved it

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I also looked at the code and it was giving me shudders

jolly canopy Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Lol good to know. Alright, well that'll make it an easier sell to my buddies:)

wheat grove Jun 8, 2019, 10:45 AM

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I like STUI, but I'll give DUI a try, too. Glad I saw this convo.

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Yee its similar but iirc it has some nice improvements @wheat grove

potent wadi Jun 8, 2019, 12:38 PM

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STGI_Update = {}; 
STNT_Update ={};```
both names and hexagons are gone with this .

patent copper Jun 8, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Can someone give me their view on the ADPL-SA license and steam workshop?

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When I use e.g. an Arma 2 vehicle asset and make my own mod out of it, from whos standpoints am I allowed to upload that to the workshop?
I thought the license allows redistribution under the same license, but that still comes into conflict what Steam is asking for when uploading

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so I'm assuming workshop is still an absolute nogo for content build on these datapacks/content published under ADPLSA when incorporated into a new mod?

lean plover Jun 8, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@patent copper
Well, as you know CUP is created from a2 assets mostly and it is good to be upload to the WS by CUP

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So i guess If you creade content of from a2 assets you are good to upload your creation to the WS

patent copper Jun 8, 2019, 2:26 PM

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That's what I was ringing my head about really

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I thought so too

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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If you want to be sure, you need to ask BI about it

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I'm quite sure they are fine with it, they are fine with cup too

lean plover Jun 8, 2019, 3:19 PM

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This, and i don't think they 'd release the data with a WS exclusion although the WS is by now the biggest platform to distribute mods.

patent copper Jun 8, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Thanks for the information

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Whenever you say WS I think about the (I think) russian community called WS and not the Steam Workshop @lean plover

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 6:38 PM

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This knucklehead reuploaded my mod 3 separate times...at the same time. Why does Steam let this happen?

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 6:42 PM

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How is steam supposed to check all mods that get uploaded against all other mods on the workshop? @wet gate

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If you see reuploads then report them

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 6:44 PM

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"How is steam supposed to see that the same people reupload the same stuff dozens of times and constantly get DMCA'ed for it"
🤔

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 6:44 PM

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That's a different question

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But yeah those people should definetly be punished

old jay Jun 8, 2019, 6:51 PM

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How is steam supposed to check all mods that get uploaded against all other mods on the workshop? The same way that the workshop crawler does is a start..

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Isnt the workshop crawler usually active for one mod?

old jay Jun 8, 2019, 6:56 PM

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What do you mean?

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Each file available on the workshop has a unique identifier (hash). When you click on "Find Reuploads" on our website, the hashes of your files are compared against thousands of others in the database.

Due to how hashes work, these matches almost 100% guarantee, that the files found elsewhere are exactly the same as yours - but in a different workshop item```

turbid meadow Jun 8, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Huh neat

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I thought it was a certain software that only looked for one mod's files

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Nvm that then

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:26 PM

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The technology is there. I'm sure signature files can come in handy too.

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 7:26 PM

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"I'm sure signature files can come in handy too." I don't see how

lean plover Jun 8, 2019, 7:26 PM

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The crawler monitors all mods on arma 3 workshop, and dayz now also iirc

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Steam doesn't give a F about repeat offenders

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Only way to prevent a person to repeatedly uploading protected content is to drag him to court with a C&D that is also sent to valve to suspend his account

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I think...

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:29 PM

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@inland sphinx Not sure, probably requires more thought than a few seconds. Maybe who ever has the key can upload the signature files or something to that affect.

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Anyone can just resign anything with their own key

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:30 PM

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The technology used in the crawler, detecting unique files, can be cross referenced with signature files and keys.

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At least then who ever reuploads stuff would have to work a lot to be able to do so.

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 7:32 PM

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"detecting unique files" not helpful if people just repack and make their own unqiue files

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I mean like the deep scan feature.

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 7:32 PM

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What if someone else uploads my mod before I can?

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I'm screwed then? meh

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Of course there will be issues, but I don't see a situation where that specific scenario would happen much.

inland sphinx Jun 8, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Would be happy if publisher simply told people that reuploading other peoples stuff is illegal

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But BI denies for years giving us a simple message box that informs the idiots who are too lazy to read about the rules

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Sure there are a few people that know it's wrong and still do it, but the majority still does it because they don't know it's wrong

wet gate Jun 8, 2019, 7:36 PM

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You're a lot more empathetic than I am lol

inland sphinx Jun 14, 2019, 7:23 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1294477202&searchtext=501st+Legion SFP Objects (501st Legion has no rights to the maps/mods that are in this mod pack)
Even has credits, but no mention of SFP.

warm dew Jun 14, 2019, 12:24 PM

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I like how people who reupload stuff always admit that they are wrong 🤦

lean plover Jun 14, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Might be worth a look @ocean ibex

vast stump Jun 14, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I remember that pack popping up before and it was cleared then

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probably twice even

inland sphinx Jun 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Yeah I also remember that guys name

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Saw a star wars group advertising on BIF and thought "🤔 what are the chances..."
turns out chances are over 99.9%

zenith moss Jun 14, 2019, 11:56 PM

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must be nice to be one of those 501st pos... getting almost a grand a month for ripping EA models

vast stump Jun 15, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Depends are they using the ripped stuff mod or the one where assets are self made.

elfin basin Jun 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Eh
There is just not enough honest stuff yet for such a big unit like that 501st
The two existing not ripped mods are just growing up still

earnest gull Jun 15, 2019, 5:54 PM

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hi ! I have a question .. I have been looking into bohamia TOS and I am having trouble understanding something. Are people who make mods or content in general allowed to charge money for what they build/make? im looking to branch out of vanilla and start looking at the modded side of things so would appreciate some insight 😃 thanks ! also sry if I posted in wrong channel, im fairly new here and still figuring out what is what 😄

lean plover Jun 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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It's the best place for this kind of Q.
No, modders are not allowed to put their creations behind a paywall as long as BI tech was involved in the creation process

zenith moss Jun 15, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@vast stump the main 501st ones use all ripped stuff and some stuff they bought on cgtrader

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of course I guess they could have used the exact same references as the dice artists..........................................🤔

earnest gull Jun 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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ah okay thank you ! I just had a little trouble understanding , thanks for the reply ! 😃

zenith moss Jun 15, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@earnest gull ask YueMod how that worked

lean plover Jun 15, 2019, 5:58 PM

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👍 🤘

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Can I change the colour of apex assets and make them avalible as a mod?

toxic jolt Jun 16, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Nope

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Not if you reupload any assets

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If you just change the texture via hiddenselections then yes

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Where in the TOS does it say that

old jay Jun 16, 2019, 8:34 AM

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1st: Steam Subscriber Agreement section 6d.
2nd: Reversing EBO's with a "certain tool" violates the reverse engineering part of the Arma 3 EULA.
3rd: you've been told by a community member and a Moderator (me), so, if you're caught doing so (since you've just had 3 warnings), you will earn yourself an instant (and most likely permanent) ban. @quartz helm

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Lol

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I have no warnings.

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May want to fact check that

old jay Jun 16, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Warning 1
1st: Steam Subscriber Agreement section 6d.

Warning 2
2nd: Reversing EBO's with a "certain tool" violates the reverse engineering part of the Arma 3 EULA.

Warning 3
3rd: you've been told by a community member and a Moderator (me), so, if you're caught doing so (since you've just had 3 warnings), you will earn yourself an instant (and most likely permanent) ban.

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This now makes 4

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!issuewarning @quartz helm 3 plus 1 preemptive warnings issued in regards to Apex assets and EULA

bright brambleBOT Jun 16, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Done.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:27 AM

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again, do you have any evidence I did any of the above things? I merely asked if it was allowed?

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Provide evidence of your claims

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Unless you're making the claim that even simply ASKING for clarification on rules is ban worthy now?

vagrant tangle Jun 16, 2019, 9:33 AM

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@quartz helm discussing certain topics - at least in a way that indicates someone plans to violate one of the agreements / rules, is likely to land you in trouble here. I hope you can see that some issues are just very sensitive. You've asked a legitimate question, and been given guidance. my suggestion is to just move on to a different topic.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:34 AM

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oof, literally asking now gets you a warning. guess ifd I ever need help in this community I know what not to do

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big yikes

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 9:37 AM

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if you want to retexture with hiddenSelections arrays where texture templates are available then that is ok, but you cannot include the models (p3d files) as part of your mod, only your own textures, rvmats and configs you would need as @toxic jolt said.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:37 AM

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thank you for a real, level headed response @elfin coral

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literally what I was looking for

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 9:38 AM

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also if you plan to retexture community mod content, always best to ask those authors for the ok too

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covers your own butt then

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:38 AM

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hahah I think I learned my lesson. asking gets you banned

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I wont be making that mistake

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 9:39 AM

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no, but we are very pro-active in protecting IP of BI and community members

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:39 AM

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if you call it that sure

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 9:40 AM

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when you been around as long as some of us, you would appreciate the stance 😃

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anyways have a good day

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:40 AM

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oh I have, supporters edition and creeping up to 4k hours

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 9:54 AM

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@quartz helm it is possible that since you asked on IP channels your intentions may have been interpreted differently than what you intended.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Accusatory statements wholly devoid of facts are different from 'interpretation'

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 9:57 AM

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In any case for future modding related questions the #arma3_model #arma3_texture are best channels to discuss relevant matters.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Oh I wont be asking any more questions lol

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are ya kidding

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 9:58 AM

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No I am not.

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You can take major offence about this incident, it might even be justified. Or you can let it go and move on to better things.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 9:59 AM

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I'm not one to lie down and take these kind of things

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some people are

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Well each for their own then. Good luck in your future endeavours.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 10:00 AM

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same to you, I appreciate your genuine attempt to assist

dull spear Jun 16, 2019, 10:30 AM

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optix

Sadly, running the servers for this has been getting relatively more expensive for me, as my current income is limited and I might not be able to cover the server costs anymore in the near future.
If you wish to ensure that this tool will remain online, please consider joining my Patreon:
https://www.patreon.com/optix

Workshop Crawler is currently undergoing a major rewrite which will result in a bunch of nice goodies for everyone to play with:

more at: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/204650-arma-3-workshop-crawler-find-reuploads-of-your-workshop-submissions-within-minutes/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-3362611

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 10:38 AM

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@rigid seal all of those workshop items only contain retextures, you might want to retract your last accusation.

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and yes i downloaded them, opened and looked at the contents, as you should have done prior to making such accusations.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@elfin coral lol, like facts matter here. its been established you dont need evidence to accuse and punish someone

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its very... interesting this brand new user popped up tho

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almost

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telling

elfin coral Jun 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

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where someone makes such an accusation it's right that it is checked out, im not the law round these parts but where there is false accusation said user should repeal such a statement and apologise imo

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

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I agree

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some people trip tho

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 10:42 AM

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@quartz helm if you want to discuss that sort of things with the moderators do that in PM. You are not helping your cause here.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 10:42 AM

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of course Im refering to people outside this discord...

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I can assure everyone, frost and I are 2 separate people. hes a short polish guy, Im a tall lumberjack lookin canuck

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i think all baseless accusations should be removed

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but hey

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his name is the wrong colour I guess

desert hearth Jun 16, 2019, 10:45 AM

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huh?

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 10:46 AM

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he has a white name and made baseless accusations

vague isle Jun 16, 2019, 11:05 AM

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So what does it matter he has a white name. You have a white name.

vagrant tangle Jun 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

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@quartz helm you asked a question, you got a steer from a fellow community member, then you got a very very clear steer from a moderator, and following that multiple people have attempted to clarify / explain why the topic is sensitive, and also advised you to move on from both the topic and the meta-topic of how this sever is moderated. This is me politely asking you to move on. We'll deal with eggs throwing around baseless accusations, don't stress.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 11:08 AM

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interesting interpretation

vagrant tangle Jun 16, 2019, 11:11 AM

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if you have any further issues / questions WRT moderation, it's something take up in PM.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 11:18 AM

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i think i learned that questions will get me banned lol

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g night

inland sphinx Jun 16, 2019, 11:21 AM

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No it won't. But your behaviour will if you continue with that now.
When you get a warning you are supposed to either "oh okey, sorry" or "oh okey" and message another moderator if you think it was wrong to issue the warning. Because we have #rules and they tell you that you don't publicly discuss or complain about the moderation of this discord, if you have a problem. message a moderator and it will be solved internally.
But you don't continue by passive aggressively aggravating other moderators.

quartz helm Jun 16, 2019, 11:21 AM

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haha ok

fiery condor Jun 16, 2019, 9:00 PM

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IP question, if some one makes a tutorial on how to mod or script in Arma 3. Then hides that behind a paywall is that still in EULA compliance?

willow crane Jun 16, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Yup. The product hes selling isnt a product of the BI tools.

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Knowledge of how to do something isnt something anyone can licence for. Hence why you get companies offering training services.

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 9:08 PM

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its perhaps a bit unsavoury thing to do since quite likely that person has received a lot of free help when he was starting out

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but it sounds like a good way to make a few bucks out of beginners

willow crane Jun 16, 2019, 9:09 PM

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^ Very true but there is nothing in the rules to stop him being an arse.

vast stump Jun 16, 2019, 9:09 PM

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indeed indeed

buoyant ridge Jun 16, 2019, 10:26 PM

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There's some weird scenarios, such as using fair use for the purpose of private/non-commercial study, you wouldn't be allowed to of course then commericalise it

abstract crest Jun 16, 2019, 10:33 PM

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There is no weird scenario here other than why some would pay for these specific videos. No difference between this and the idiots who pay for DVDs that show you how to use MS Office, etc. Just less demand at the end of the day or more people would do it. PMC Tutorials are the way to go anyway with follow up questions here and on the forums

buoyant ridge Jun 16, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I was just giving an example of where knowledge can't be transfered for expense, legally speaking

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:28 AM

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@buoyant ridge I dont see where "fair use" would come into this scenerio. You create a Pay-to-View Tutorial. Put it out there behind a paywall. 1) No BI rule prevents that. 2) You as the Author hold all the rights to it. 3) Subverting the paywall to view or copy it is simply Breach of contract (depending on the original terms) and copyright. Claiming "Fair use" at this point would have no basis is law at all. Not as a defence for breaching the copyright or anything else. I think "Fair use" has to be the most misunderstood aspect if IP law out there. So many people claim it without actually knowing what it really is. You simply do not have rights to view, control or redistrubute content you do no create yourself unless the Author grants you those rights.

abstract crest Jun 17, 2019, 12:36 AM

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So I cannot do training classes on UNIX operating systems for money, as an example, without getting permission from the rights holder? That's not how that works....

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I already said that people are stupid to pay. But I see no IP rights violation on it

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 12:39 AM

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No, it's not applicable in this case, I gave it as an example of where knowledge can't be sold, little off the record, but can be somewhat relevant here

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That last sentence also has many exemptions to it, and generally I would recommend seeking permission or not proceeding if unsure

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Differs per country as always, and I'm speaking only of my UK experience in regards to research work

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:44 AM

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@abstract crest No not at all. You are getting it backwards. Im saying that There are no laws stopping you from making tutorials about anything.

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But I am saying that you own whatever you make edit for clarification so you can decide who gets to see it and under what conditions

abstract crest Jun 17, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Ah, yes, sorry @willow crane I did indeed misread... was on phone with a cig

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:45 AM

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So anyone claiming to have the right to see or use whatever you make without consent is not ever going to be legal by claiming "Fair use"

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@abstract crest Np. its late 😉 well it is here in the UK

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@buoyant ridge That last sentence also has many exemptions to it, Which sentence?

abstract crest Jun 17, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Here in the US too... though I am from England

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 12:50 AM

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You simply do not have rights to view, control or redistrubute content you do no create yourself unless the Author grants you those rights.

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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:51 AM

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i dont see the "exemptions". Im trying to be very clear in the limit of people's rights

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I know a fair amount about UK/EU/US IP law. Im not a lawyer but having spent most of my working life in Sub-Contracts management and Engineering Design I spend a lot of time trying not to overstep the limits of patented designs and IP.

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 12:55 AM

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I was just making a minor point that there are a few cases where it's exempt, and there's a few cases where you can't sell knowledge when it comes to IP

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:55 AM

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The non-commercial research clause of "Fair use" wouldnt ever apply in the orginal scenerios

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Yeah, as I stated

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 12:56 AM

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going through that list i cant see any situation that would be applied to the original scenerio

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 12:56 AM

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It was just a minor point to when you said you can always sell knowledge, but life is full of small caveats 😄

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Fair enough but I still stand by my point. You can always sell knowledge. Ive spent enough time with companies teaching CAD and PDM,ERP tools etc. A lot of them actually proprietry systems where the trainers had ZERO affiliation with the actual Software developer. And Ive personally done courses that were not approved by the developer but they could do nothing to stop anyone teaching it. (Unless there was an NDA withthe person that wrote the tuts. That happened once with Dassault and Thales... didnt end well but hey i wasnt the one getting sued 😉)

abstract crest Jun 17, 2019, 1:05 AM

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👆

old jay Jun 17, 2019, 1:35 AM

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I agree with @willow crane

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To the Offy I go

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:36 AM

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@old jay If you are going see if there is any decent Scotch. I've run out.

old jay Jun 17, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Macallan Gold?

lean plover Jun 17, 2019, 1:52 AM

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many moons ago i got offered a glass of 50y old glenfiddich. it took my breath away once the owner told me what the bottle costs.
still was delicious

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 1:55 AM

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I'm rather fond of Bowmore. Spirits arent something i drink very often but once in a while its a nice indulgence.

abstract crest Jun 17, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Always preferred Irish whiskey so Middleton was my expensive rarity. But my main liquor is Russian vodka so...

lean plover Jun 17, 2019, 2:13 AM

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uncultured swine 😄

old jay Jun 17, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Russian Standard isnt bad for what it is

lean plover Jun 17, 2019, 2:28 AM

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vodka commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ez4J83SlRo

YouTube

GewoonMexX

Chernobyl vodka

▶ Play video

old jay Jun 17, 2019, 3:07 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gah16CQJA9E

YouTube

AppletonReserve

Appleton Estate Jamaica Rum - From Cane To Cup

This is Appleton Estate Jamaica Rum. We are 100% Jamaican from cane to cup. From Jamaica with Love.

▶ Play video

buoyant ridge Jun 17, 2019, 4:10 PM

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It's funny how you mentioned you can always sell knowledge, and then gave an example of where you can't 😄

willow crane Jun 17, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Slightly ironic I admit. But there are always caveats to every statment.

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But in the context of the original question, you can sell knowledge. Outside of that in the real world of course there are some scenerios that you won't be able to. But only if there was a pre-existing contract specifically preventling it.

normal dagger Jun 20, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Why does A3PL Still have monetization. They broke so many rules and I try to report and Bohemia don’t do shit

lean plover Jun 20, 2019, 1:01 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pine storm Jun 20, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Yeah I mean their owners are the ones that started this monetization license bs

sleek lantern Jun 20, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Has anyone reported this ANZUS gaming server yet, they've taken my assets without permission

inland sphinx Jun 20, 2019, 6:02 PM

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dozens of reports yes.

sleek lantern Jun 20, 2019, 6:03 PM

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has anything been done, or still waiting

inland sphinx Jun 20, 2019, 6:03 PM

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nope. nothing

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BI said a few months ago that they gave them their last chance.
Since then atleast 4 reports to BI. Also trying to take the indirect route through Homesick, nothing.

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BI is quick on extending the monetization stuff. But very slow on actually enforcing their own rules

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Why even apply for monetization permission if you might aswell not, and can rip off kids all you want without any repercussions.

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I'm sure the anzus guys are laughing about BI every evening

sleek lantern Jun 20, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Yeah that's annoying, I guess i'll still send in my report too

inland sphinx Jun 20, 2019, 6:06 PM

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While looking at the stupid amounts of money they're making

vivid musk Jun 20, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Pretty sure Anzus has been running without approval (while being heavily reported) for.... 8 months now? I stopped caring

inland sphinx Jun 20, 2019, 6:19 PM

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yep

shell scaffold Jun 20, 2019, 6:34 PM

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At this point im wondering if BI even can do anything to enforce it. Before they shut down BE but Dwarden stated that they dont do that anymore

thorn elbow Jun 20, 2019, 6:34 PM

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I just sent in a juicy report to infringements

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They are monetizing without approval, seen in this screenshot here: https://imgur.com/a/B8c7gNF

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But there's more between the owner and another community member talking about exchanging money for ingame money and an unban

abstract crest Jun 20, 2019, 6:45 PM

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If you take stuff from BI they will shut down your BE immediately... but mod devs are sort of second-class citizens

plucky moss Jun 20, 2019, 11:29 PM

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they can't even write tfar right

sleek lantern Jun 21, 2019, 10:42 AM

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They're making about $700-800 a month https://i.imgur.com/8ML5BUz.png . That's just what's done through the website alone, not sure about any other hidden payments.

vague isle Jun 21, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@plucky moss whats this to do with tfar?

inland sphinx Jun 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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They can't write tfar correctly, that's what this has to do with it

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Also they run TFAR, even though they explicitly don't have permission to use it

fiery egret Jun 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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@spiral hill stop spreading unverified (false) bullshit. If that was true, the user in question would simply have been banned by the Discord team

abstract crest Jun 22, 2019, 1:04 AM

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🍿

patent copper Jun 22, 2019, 2:13 AM

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In case anyone can do something with this already: https://ryantt.github.io/wsc/docs
Open for more suggestions to make the API more usable (it's currently only DayZ workshop items, once it works okayish enough I'll index all the A3 workshop items too (this time including missions))

inland sphinx Jun 22, 2019, 6:27 AM

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!purgeban @spiral hill 60d spam/chainmail

bright brambleBOT Jun 22, 2019, 6:27 AM

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*fires them railguns at @spiral hill* Ò_Ó

wet gate Jun 22, 2019, 4:34 PM

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So I have a question. Lets say I allow someone to reupload a weapon or hat, and then someone reuploads from that mod. Can I still file a DMCA against that person who reuploaded from the one I gave permission to reupload?

inland sphinx Jun 22, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Sure

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he took your stuff and uploaded it without permission

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no matter what was inbetween

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You gave permission to that one guy, not the other

earnest gull Jun 22, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Hi ! I have a question. I have been considering to purchase cars from a developer know as "Red". Some have to told me that the cars are awesome and worth the 200-300$. Others, told me his vehicles are stolen and that they will land me in trouble. If anyone ever heard of this guy , can someone give me some clarity about this person before I decide whether I want to buy the cars or not? Very much appreciated 😃

fiery egret Jun 22, 2019, 11:41 PM

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"Red" is a pretty generic name, tbh

earnest gull Jun 22, 2019, 11:50 PM

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idk that's what he goes by … this is one of his videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MSq-I_j5o

obsidian cypress Jun 22, 2019, 11:54 PM

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If you're not sure about the legitimacy of the mod, don't buy it.

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Also, just found it with Discord search: https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/329978448938532868/572320649893117962

earnest gull Jun 22, 2019, 11:55 PM

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well im not sure because theres people telling me two separate things so that's why I asked

fiery egret Jun 22, 2019, 11:56 PM

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My first red flag, by watching the videos, is: does he have the right to actually use those trademarks (Ford, Harley Davidson, etc...) on his vehicles?

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I mean, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know, but even BI uses KAs (instead of AKs), in DayZ, for some reason...

earnest gull Jun 22, 2019, 11:58 PM

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but that's where I get confused because these vehicles are used in a community that is cleared to monetize (Project Life) surely if it was a legal issue wouldn't his vehicles get taken down?

fiery egret Jun 22, 2019, 11:59 PM

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are used in a community that is cleared to monetize
From what I've seen here: do NOT, and I mean do NOT take that as proof of legitimacy of anything

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Maye BI made an exception or didn't noticed that there were stolen vehicle. Their verification process doesn't go in depth iirc

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Scroll one page up for people complaining about monetized servers breaking the rules and still not being taken down

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:01 AM

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anzus isn't monetized

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Yes it is. they are making +-1400.-per month according to their donations goals page. If you scroll up in the channel, you can see a screen shot with that content.

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:04 AM

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idk I haven't seen anzus on the approved monetization list on the bohemia website so id assumed that it wasn't monetized

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:05 AM

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The list is not a compilation of monetized server. It is a list of approved server for monetization that probably comply with BI EULA

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:13 AM

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i don't know since communities that use his vehicles are approved by bohemia to be monetized then why is it against the rules here to share pictures of the vehicles then? since this is also the official discord of arma 3 . It pretty much looks like "hey , yes REDs vehicles are allowed and they are allowed to charge money and profit from the content, however … you're not allowed to post pictures or any media on it " . That just doesn't make any sense.

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:15 AM

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I guess you have to ask BI how well they are monitoring those servers ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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also Scroll one page up for people complaining about monetized servers breaking the rules and still not being taken down

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:16 AM

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im asking about reds vehicles tho, not anzus and their stolen content … two separate things

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Again, if you don't know, go by what the moderator says. They said that it was violating IP so I'll assume that it is until proven otherwise

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:16 AM

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I guess this boils down to one movie quote: "Do you feel lucky, punk"?

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According to what Heyoxe has said, it looks risky to use his vehicles. It seems that monetized servers use stolen content but BI doesn't seem to care, soooo....
If you feel lucky, you can do the same and if you don't get caught, you may use these assets for some time. Chances are that that the models you will be using are not legal and you may face the consequences of it, one day

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:21 AM

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why buying another set of cars if there are already a shit ton of car mods on the workshop???

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i don't get it...

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:21 AM

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And yes, i fully understand that, between the lines, you're asking us: "guys, please tell me it IS okay to use those assets, ok? Because I really want to do just that" 😃

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:22 AM

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i mean … im just trying to get clarity on why it is or why it isn't okay to use those vehicles

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in gta5 its basically a "do whatever you want" but for arma its just sooo confusing

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and im trying to follow the rules because i like this game

elfin coral Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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if he is charging for content it is against the arma 3 tools EULA, which prohibits producing commercial content.

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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in arma it's simply: play by the law

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the REAL law

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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which is?

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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unknown sources: keep your hands off

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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And he probably can't use the trademarks (or whatever it's called)

elfin coral Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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and yes, you have to use the tools in some form to encode content for arma, no matter what anyone says.

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:24 AM

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copyright and ip law

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@earnest gull

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:26 AM

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has anyone actually gotten in trouble for that though? because i see copyright infringements latterly everywhere. hell my ipod has about 20+ life worth of jail time but.... here i am .

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Also, those models have been on a large number of servers in the past so I’d assume there is no issues with them
means nothing

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absolutely nothing

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Maybe you live in a country wich is not very strict. Switzerland for example is pretty laxist about that. @earnest gull But big corporates will not sue some random user like that, it doesn't worth it

elfin coral Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/bohemia-interactives-tools-end-user-license
Section 3, Subsection 2, Point 4. states you are not entitled to use the programs to commercially exploit content created with them.
And the above is without even considering the content itself, if it's origins are questionable then there are further IP issues relating to it.

Bohemia Interactive

BI's Tools End User License | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive is an independent game development studio, known for the Arma series, DayZ, Take On Mars, Ylands, and more.

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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live in the united states

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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has anyone actually gotten in trouble for that though? because i see copyright infringements latterly everywhere
hell yes, in arma you do. i work the ip and copyright cases for a big mod and have a lawyer for this

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:28 AM

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my ipod has about 20+ life worth of jail time but.... here i am
Depends on your question:

Is it legal?
Am I going to jail for this?

Pick one @earnest gull

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Actually, let me answer both of those already:

Most probably not
No

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:31 AM

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but doesn't make it right tho 😉

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:31 AM

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so from what i gathered is , its frowned upon .

fiery egret Jun 23, 2019, 12:32 AM

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but doesn't make it right tho
I never said it does ¯_(ツ)_/¯

elfin coral Jun 23, 2019, 12:32 AM

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and 'red' is breaking EULA's by selling content created with the tools.

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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well … he doesn't openly advertise it @elfin coral and in project life they can charge for it because he can just hide behind their permission to monetize

elfin coral Jun 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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of course he doesnt advertise it because BI would be after him like a shot.

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:34 AM

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ehhh i wouldn't think so .. there are people who openly advertise and have been for a long time yet no repercussions 🤷

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Here you will probably not be sued for uploading ripped stuff. You will get banned and will have your mod deleted (and have a bad rep) but that's pretty much it. And you make a lot of thing that are illegal irl but you will probably never get into trouble for doing them. But it is still forbidden so don't do it.

lean plover Jun 23, 2019, 12:36 AM

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I never said it does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
true 😄

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Here you will probably not be sued for uploading ripped stuff.
not so fast, buddy 😉

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i would be broke AF if i had to pay my lawyer

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luckily he's a close friend and does it for some beers

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Oh yeah I know but if you're not totally stupid, you should be good 😂

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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so since ive learned that people are not allowed to charge money for selling content , one of the people i know that does as such is here in this discord so im hesitant to report this individual in IP reports channel for the obvious reason of it being public. is there any alternative way of reporting someone other than doing it in a public discord?

obsidian cypress Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 AM

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mail Bohemia at infringements@bistudio.com

inland sphinx Jun 23, 2019, 7:15 AM

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@earnest gull You are asking about the legitimacy of buying a mod? Mods CANNOT BE SOLD AT ALL. So.......
It's not permitted to sell anything that went through Arma 3 tools.
Also most of these "too fancy to be true" car mods are all stolen.
@earnest gull idk I haven't seen anzus on the approved monetization list on the bohemia website so id assumed that it wasn't monetized Correct, they were taken off 8 months or so ago because they violated the monetization rules, but they still kept monetizing and violating the rules nether the less.

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 8:12 AM

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Mods CANNOT BE SOLD AT ALL
ehem... GM.. ehem

inland sphinx Jun 23, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Not a mod

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it's a CDLC

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Yeah, right.
That's why there are already some modders who abandon their mods to go for paid mods called "cdlc"

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Have nothing against it by the way, but let's face it.

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I wish next BI title will learn from how things are handled in Unreal marketplace.
Besides, where is that line when someone's work become a "mod"? No such thing, the only legal restriction is that work done in BI tools can't be sold.

old jay Jun 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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https://arma3.com/dlc/creator

Arma 3

Creator DLC | Arma 3

Brand new content for Arma 3 - developed by external developers, published by Bohemia Interactive.

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 AM

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? I have read that 2 months ago. They can call it whatever they want, it's a free world.

vague isle Jun 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

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It not a mod, its more polished than a mod. Its not the first one of the CDLC's on the way.

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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more polished than a mod
How about more polished than an average mod. Still a mod and is handled like a mod.

quaint geyser Jun 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Well, all arma DLCs are mods 🤷

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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One can speculate about quality of other mods if modders had easier ways to value their work

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@quaint geyser No. Unlike A3 dlcs it's handled like a mod by bi itself. Separate installation, separate bikey, another dedicated server rules e.t.c.

rapid escarp Jun 23, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Alien stuff in Contact will be handled the same way

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 3:42 PM

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I know. A mod by BI. I wonder when did we forget about the fact that second most popular BI title came out of A2 mod and created new genre in gaming.
Then another A3 mod created yet another new genre in gaming, but unlike A2 mod one, devs had to switch the platform because BI put restrictions on how you can value your work.

inland sphinx Jun 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

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"but unlike A2 mod one, devs had to switch the platform because BI put restrictions on how you can value your work"
not really. The A2 one also switched platform. And A2 had the same restrictions.

spice sleet Jun 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

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That's not what I meant. I meant that mod devs prefered to switch to other platform because it gives you freedom in what you can do and how you can value it.

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And they had a great success weither you like what it is or not. Can it be called a potential higher quality mod that was lost by BI? Matter of opinion, but I expressed mine.

earnest gull Jun 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@inland sphinx yeah but he uses a loop hole red sells his vehicles by requesting 200$ per vehicle through A3PL and since its project life and they have monetization ,he uses that inorder to sell his vehicles. anyways ive been given a document that pretty much exposes him , so because of what ive read , seems like hes one shady dude so yeah , im not messing with that tbh

inland sphinx Jun 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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There is already some stuff going on with A3PL, might be a good time to throw that into the mix (mailing it to BI)

inland sphinx Jun 24, 2019, 2:32 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1551343018 USAF complete upload @slate sapphire

turbid meadow Jun 24, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Heh

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bietet:

Nukleare Vermögenswerte

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Totes not just google translated

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Also I like how when listing the assets get goes from just writing
Bomber
without anything behind it, then over to
Action -
and after that switches to
bietet:

cursive sedge Jun 24, 2019, 3:34 PM

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same person who uploaded Contact DLC with all enoch ebo files

slate sapphire Jun 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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@inland sphinx thanks! Will sort that

inland sphinx Jun 24, 2019, 3:35 PM

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yep I checked his files, he also had cup vehicles and other stuff reuploads, but they were alrad dmca'ed

earnest gull Jun 24, 2019, 10:15 PM

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@inland sphinx Unfortunately I don't think bohemia will care ive sent emails in the past with over 30 pages of proof behind each allegation that breaks their TOS , its understandable that it takes time to conduct a thoro investigation however its been about 5 months. its really is a shame. How does bohemia expect people to follow their policies when it isn't enforced ? 😕

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 11:18 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1646011788
NiArms, Kiory's hats, CUP Vehicles, HAFM, Enhanced Movement, sfp_bo105, TRYK

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1646033232
brg_Afrika, MBG Buildings, xCam, Jbad, sfp_bas90, sfp_objects

@brave spruce you have one hour to take these down. These are illegal reuploads that violate the steam subscriber agreement and our discord rules.

brave spruce Jun 25, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Oh ok sorry i didnt know

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i will remove it now

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Done

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Thanks o7

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 3:56 PM

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@brave spruce
dude...
you really wanna tell me you didn't know??
it's in effing big letters on the workshop page...!

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📎 reupload.PNG

brave spruce Jun 25, 2019, 3:56 PM

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ok sorry my bad :\

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i didnt see this

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i removed that

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 3:57 PM

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oh c'mon, what lazy excuse is this

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Hey atleast he removed it @lean plover

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:41 PM

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it would have been removed either way. this statement of his is just embarrassing

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Yeah but this is the simpler way

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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i by now file DMCAs with a complete proof guide within 35 seconds 😉

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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I guess nowadays we should be happy that people atleast listen and apologize

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Though I see a increase in "before filing a DMCA please message us first"
🤔

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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dedmen you're not wrong, i just can't handle stupid today...

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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They already know they will get DMCA's. so.... F you

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Wew

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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noone can handle anything in this heat

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I guess with a lot of training you get quick at filing DMCA's

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:45 PM

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I guess with a lot of training you get quick at filing DMCA's
hell yes

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sadly

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:45 PM

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I can get one done in 15 seconds. Most stuff just copy pasted, and the rest is editing the autofill stuff that firefox get's wrong

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:46 PM

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my bottlenecks are the file list DL from the crawler and the reupload to my cloud storage

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oooohhhh... that's an idea for an API

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😄

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I don't store filelists.
I open it, copy everything into a regex on other webpage, and get my filelist out

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With the API that stuff is easy to automate.

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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So when are you peeps gonna set up the first international DMCA writing competition owowhatsthis ?

inland sphinx Jun 25, 2019, 4:47 PM

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lul.
Make a program that watches your clipboard, when you copy a workshop link, it will automatically grab filelist, collect your files, and prepare a copy-paste for you 😄

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 4:48 PM

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So when are you peeps gonna set up the first international DMCA writing competition
hehe, i think i'm ahead of everyone. apart from PuFu, he leads the list 😂

high wasp Jun 25, 2019, 8:13 PM

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until you guys start suing for compensation, people are just gonna keep doing it.

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There's no negative to being issued a DMCA, except you have to temporarily stop what you're doing

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😃

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 9:52 PM

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If the DMCA is followed by a C&D (depending on world location) on alternated upload platforms, bigmouths are shut quiet pretty fast 😉

grizzled solstice Jun 25, 2019, 9:57 PM

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https://twitter.com/splitsplatted/status/1143556723266994176?s=09

fiery egret Jun 25, 2019, 10:00 PM

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So, standard phishing stuff...

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:02 PM

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This whole topic reminds me of politics who tried to ban internet and failed. You can isolate theft thx to steam and bi bans, but keep dreeming on getting rid of black markets completely.

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:03 PM

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tbh if someone clicks a link like that its their own fault

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(about the discord virus thing)

fiery egret Jun 25, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Are you saying that it is pointless to have police catching thieves because even if they get caught, other people will start stealing?

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Also applies to killers, mafia, etc...

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:05 PM

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You can isolate theft
I think I said the contrary. I was mostly replying to @lean plover who thinks suing physical entities can be a threat on internet.

fiery egret Jun 25, 2019, 10:07 PM

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I was replying to but keep dreeming on getting rid of black markets completely

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I meant that of course, you can't get rid of them, but not doing anything is even worse

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I didn't propose not doing anything, just saying that stuff like "I will sue you!!" is a joke

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:12 PM

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@spice sleet
tbh, i do it for fun

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i like to destroy peoples life, homepage, game server...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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if smb wants to F me over, i can do better and harder

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Hm a court case over an arma mod would definetly make for some interesting discussions

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:14 PM

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i don't do it to scare off others, i like to see those kids little world falls apart and their parents go fully ballistic

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:15 PM

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good luck suing chinese guy who lives in the shed in the city of thousands sheds under his vpn

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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At some point you should be able to sue the company that repeatedly allows violations tbh

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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that's why i said depending on world location

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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vpn location you mean, ok

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:17 PM

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no, there the f**ker lives

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since i'm in the EU, it's fairly easy

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and none of those kids i dragged to court where intelligent enough to mask their traces

spice sleet Jun 25, 2019, 10:18 PM

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well if it feels satisfying to you, ok then.

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:19 PM

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like i said, i do it for fun

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i gain absolutely nothing out of it

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beside satisfaction

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likes to torture and torment

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Apart from the fact that as far as courts are concerned, IP owners have to enforce their IP rights or they may not enforce them for you

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:21 PM

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~~I could totes see you being some kind of bdsm dom @lean plover~~

fiery egret Jun 25, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Get a room, you two!

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Heh

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:22 PM

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not a fan of physical violence (anymore) 😉

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@turbid meadow

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:22 PM

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wew

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anymore

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I see him more as a masochist

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That's why he does Wiki stuff 😉

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:23 PM

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i used to be left wing extreme (punk), now imagine what i did to right wing (neonazies) on the weekends :D
@turbid meadow

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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ofuk more politics

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HomerHide

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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used to

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Hehehe

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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i don't care anymore

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Thats the way to go

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Just watch everything happen and laugh as the world burns

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:25 PM

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unless in concerns the internet... then i'm pretty politic

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Mods! MODS!!! Chris is going OT!!! Where's Dedmen when you need him (words never said before 😉 )

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Dedmen's busy banning spambots as always

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:29 PM

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LOL, yeah. I think it's part of BI's discord probationary moderator program

turbid meadow Jun 25, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Heh propably is

lean plover Jun 25, 2019, 10:33 PM

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it's like with the police. they have to fulfill a minimum on cases or face punishment.
those who fail are the ones waylay and pull you over after a 16h shift and try to give you hell

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😄

abstract crest Jun 25, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Cool... waiting for Dedmen to be white text again...

shell scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I come in here

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And hear bdsm and doms and subs

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I thought this was a room about computer IPs

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ono

abstract crest Jun 26, 2019, 2:59 AM

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168.24.38.245... there you go, back on topic 😃

lean plover Jun 26, 2019, 4:04 AM

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127.0.0.1

shell scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Hehe

shell scaffold Jun 26, 2019, 7:22 AM

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https://forum.facepunch.com is now closed, wasnt this forum involved in ripping models ?

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yes it was, it had even ripped vanilla arma 3 models

inland sphinx Jun 26, 2019, 7:24 AM

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@grizzled solstice How is that at all related to IP rights?

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"wasnt this forum involved in ripping models" there were all kinds of users on there. Mainly Garrys mod people tho, who are known to not care about IP rights

old jay Jun 26, 2019, 7:29 AM

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essentially what I was going to post, but "users" not "forum". One is a framework for posting, the other is the other that posts. Like blaming a blank piece of paper which later becomes a threatening note.

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Additionally, proper moderation would have stopped the sort of activity they had.

vast stump Jun 26, 2019, 9:01 AM

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What made it close though? Some legal activity or the upkeepers losing interest?

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Or is it just closed for maintenance

elfin coral Jun 26, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Guy who started it is creator of garrys mod, guess he moved on or something

inland sphinx Jun 26, 2019, 9:02 AM

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the upkeeper f'ing everyone over by doing updates without telling anyone, then disappearing for a while, and then just deciding it's closed now

sweet patio Jun 26, 2019, 9:32 AM

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The ripping community was only a small part of the fp community as a whole anyways. the closure of the forums had nothing to do with it, rather than the owner lost interest in the forums aspect of his own community and basically just stranded them.
The ripping community off loaded from the forums a while back into some other source engine related forums and discord servers.

earnest gull Jun 27, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Fp rips stuff? Wow im surprised i have fairly alot of hours in rust (1500+) and never seen any ripped content on any of the servers 🤷 yikes guess you learn something new everyday

sweet patio Jun 27, 2019, 4:17 PM

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not the company, small parts of the community

earnest gull Jun 27, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Yeah thats what i ment to say sorry

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 6:44 PM

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This 20 gb mod though https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1782482273

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item https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/items/1782482273
files https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/versions/f1e4ccb1-2a3a-4d65-9aeb-bfd3816ef6b5

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as far as i can tell its 99% reuploads

inland sphinx Jun 27, 2019, 6:50 PM

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name and fullname both are a bit redundant

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It's easy to parse name out of fullName, doesn't really need to be provided twice

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what is parentId? and why is it always null

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 6:53 PM

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as files can inside files, the parent id optionally points to the parent file, the current file is contained in

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its all still testing, so if you have a better proposal feel free to suggest it

inland sphinx Jun 27, 2019, 6:54 PM

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just deep scan stuff then? might omit that if the filelist is supposed to not contain deepscan

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hundreds of values that will always be null isn't that useful

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 6:58 PM

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its being omitted now if null

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might omit the versionid aswell since its always present somewhere within the request/response 🤔

inland sphinx Jun 27, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Could make a new header class

{
"versionId": "bla",
"files": [...]
}

but don't think that's useful

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Many people won't need the id of files, could add a parameter to omit that from the result. But that bit of traffic probably isn't worth the effort

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 7:08 PM

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hmmm

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i could use the header class im using in the query results

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that could be perfect already ```csharp
public class QueryFileListDTO {

    /// <summary>
    /// Version ID the files are taken from.
    /// </summary>
    [JsonProperty(Order = 1)]
    public string VersionId { get; set; }

    /// <summary>
    /// List of hashes.
    /// </summary>
    [JsonProperty(Order = 2)]
    public List<string> SimpleList { get; set; }

    /// <summary>
    /// Detailed list of files.
    /// </summary>
    [JsonProperty(Order = 3)]
    public List<WorkshopItemVersionFileDTO> DetailedList { get; set; }

}

inland sphinx Jun 27, 2019, 7:11 PM

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jup. That looks good. Besides simpleList, don't need duplicate information in return

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 7:12 PM

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its one of the two only, depending on ?detailed=true/false

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but i can just omit the other field like with parentId since one of them is going to be null anyway

inland sphinx Jun 27, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Can't think of a scenario were I'd want a simple hashList, but options are always better

patent copper Jun 27, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Simplelist is actually a list of file IDs, might be useful later on when I add more endpoints that rely on a specific file

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But yeah right now it doesn't serve any big purpose

acoustic hull Jun 27, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I'm no modeller, don't have much concept of capabilities and what not; saw these posted, look like the rest of the kind of models we see in #ip_rights_violations - anyone have any opinion on the possible legitimacy of this? (only pictures)
https://i.vgy.me/BAasHM.png https://i.vgy.me/D79OUw.png https://i.vgy.me/hmWofE.png

obsidian cypress Jun 27, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Just asked him: not his model. Probably Forza so as long as he doesn't violates Microsoft Game Content Usage I guess that's ok I guess.

acoustic hull Jun 27, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Ah. I was interested because it looks like he intends to sell it

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(Ignoring the fact it's a mod anyway)

obsidian cypress Jun 27, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I don't think he's going to sell it but I'll ask.

vast stump Jun 28, 2019, 7:16 AM

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If they are from Forza that's already IP violation.

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If they are from "some site that they are free on" they are very likely ripped. Legit high quality models are usually accompanied by a price tag.

elfin coral Jun 28, 2019, 7:27 AM

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i stopped offering help to that guy in #arma3_model as the models he was asking for help with come from questionable origins,. so I'd say most likely stolen/ripped/not-honest.

vast stump Jun 28, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Oh yeah he is on this discord.

shell scaffold Jul 3, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Is stealing assets from one mod and putting it into yours allowed?
@inland sphinx

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I have someone saying stuff about a steam free use agreement that makes everything on the workshop free to use

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I dont believe it

obsidian cypress Jul 3, 2019, 3:07 AM

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No it is not legal. If you steal something and write "it is legal" on it, that doesn't mean it is.
Steam Free Use Agreement? What? No, you can only use your content for personal, non-commercial unless specified otherwise.

Steam's Subscriber Agreement, 2A: https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#2

vast stump Jul 3, 2019, 7:47 AM

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You can use mods on workshop, as in subscribe and play with them. Not take them apart and upload as your own. You can straight up just DMCA the re upload.

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Assuming your mod is legit to begin with though.

inland sphinx Jul 3, 2019, 12:39 PM

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What kinda stupid question is that

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"is stealing stuff allowed" uh.. dude? common sense?

fiery egret Jul 3, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Don't worry, he formulated the question that way because he was expecting a negative answer > Parrow: I dont believe it

dull spear Jul 4, 2019, 12:57 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/223686-changes-related-to-the-licensed-data-packages/

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can someone comment on my understanding:

i can port anything I created not using BI data to DZ SA if it didnt touch A3 tools (source models, source textures, rvmat, source sounds, configs, scripts, source animations)
i can port anything from BI's ALDP (aka A2 data) to DZ SA
i can port 3rd party to DZ SA - if its based on BI's ALDP data AND the author have give permission
i cannot port any BI A3 data to DZ SA (at this stage)
A3 tools limit use to A3 (aka mainly TB/TP and to some extent OB/TV2)

inland sphinx Jul 4, 2019, 1:14 PM

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"i can port anything I created" you can do that anyway. your stuff, your license.

"i can port anything from BI's ALDP (aka A2 data) to DZ SA" No. ONLY the stuff licensed under a license that permits it. Such as ADPL-SA (not everything is licensed as that)

"i can port 3rd party to DZ SA - if its based on BI's ALDP data AND the author have give permission" Only if it's based on ADPL licensed ALDP data.

"i cannot port any BI A3 data to DZ SA" nothing that's not licensed as such

no idea

dull spear Jul 4, 2019, 1:58 PM

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again just talking BI ALDP. tom wrote:


All Licensed Data Packages previously released under APL will also be made available under DPL. Users may opt for one or the other.
All Licensed Data Packages previously released under APL-SA will also be made available under ADPL-SA. Users may opt for one or the other.```

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so 2) is all - what should not be covered from BI?

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same for 3)

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hm the A3 tools license doesnt specific a limit to A3

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The licensor also specifically prohibits the use of the Software for other purpose than designing, developing, testing, and producing non-commercial game content for computer games developed by the Licensor only.

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as its held generic, one can use it also for other BI games

inland sphinx Jul 4, 2019, 2:22 PM

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As I said, only things that are covered under DPL/ADPL can be used in DayZ

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look on the ALDP website, it tells you which files are under which licenses

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/licensed-data-packages Only stuff that says DPL or ADPL

Not "all".

For 3.. I assume probably not.
The ADPL/DPL licensed files were only created recently. If the 3rd Party project is still based on old APL-SA files, then you couldn't port that

dull spear Jul 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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DPL is all but TKOH

dull spear Jul 4, 2019, 3:06 PM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/End_User_License_Agreement_for_BI's_Tools has no reference to A3 only but only BI games

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only the A3 sample data is limited to A3: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Modding_License

inland sphinx Jul 4, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Yes CURRENTLY all arma 2 stuff has DPL.
But a general "all ALDP" would be wrong.

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Don't want any idiot to believe that and rip stuff

dull spear Jul 4, 2019, 4:32 PM

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fair enough

vast stump Jul 4, 2019, 9:24 PM

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But anything made out of APL A2 data stays as APL and does not turn into ADPL?

inland sphinx Jul 4, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Usually the license just stays "from here on and all future versions"
and not on things released in the past

vast stump Jul 4, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Good good.

abstract crest Jul 5, 2019, 12:15 AM

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"i can port 3rd party to DZ SA - if its based on BI's ALDP data AND the author have give permission" Only if it's based on ADPL licensed ALDP data. Would the licence holder also have to explicitly change the license to ADPL rather than APL too? Just wondering? Because while it is licensed as APL then no game other than ARMA. Not sure how that sort of thing works

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Still waiting for the DayZ Mod LDP for ARMA3... Hopefully Bohemia won't "forget"

dull spear Jul 5, 2019, 3:44 AM

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you can always change your license (as long as any 3rd party you use didnt have a license speaking against the new one)

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in the case of APL you can update to ADPL if you wish - your previous releases stay under the old license

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so you can have multiple licenses on various states of your work

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so practically speaking CUP in general cant update to ADPL as they have 3rd party content not from BI ALDP, and all involved people would need to agree to the license change (unless they had some internal agreement to pass own individual rights in this context to the team/project)

however CUP could re-release a subset of their work under the new license, as long as the content used for that, and their authors would allow that

abstract crest Jul 5, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Was not the question. Question was do you have to change the APL or APL-SA license on your own product to allow someone else to use it with ADPL... Cause the APL or APL-SA licenses are Bohemia's, so I wonder whether you can use, with permission, someone's work unless they change the underlying license... Have no idea on the answer which is why I asked here

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After all, you release something with APL-SA... ARMA only. Can you or can you not permission someone to use that ARMA only product in DayZ SA... Because you are using a Bohemia license... Specifically, can you agree to license someone ADPL on your APL product without changing your own license to ADPL

dull spear Jul 5, 2019, 5:27 AM

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BI only changed their license on their "new" ALDP - it doesnt not apply to anything existing before, and nothing will get "licenses" auto updated

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you can always give custom licenses to individuals if you choose to do so (if its all your IP, or previous licenses/agreements permit that too)

inland sphinx Jul 5, 2019, 7:05 AM

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" Would the licence holder also have to explicitly change the license to ADPL rather than APL too?" yes. But an author can always make exceptions to the license of his own content (even to just specific people), though as he used then-APL licensed content, he can't just change its license.
So no I guess. Author can give exception to guy that tells him "hey you, I allow you that, no need to care about license" without changing the license of the mod itself. Because changing the license itself would allow it to everyone.

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TLDR; You can always grant anyone specific exceptions to your license. Just as TFAR is non-commercial license, but still gives permission to monetized servers to use it commercially. Without changing the core license.

winter perch Jul 7, 2019, 2:02 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1793771363&searchtext=

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🤔

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 5:27 AM

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hey , so ive had someone who owns a community come to me threatening to steal my assets (which he will do) is there anything I can do? would contacting bohemia or persons dedicated server host , make any difference?

turbid meadow Jul 7, 2019, 8:58 AM

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@earnest gull If he uploads it to the Steam Workshop you can file a DMCA against it

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@turbid meadow no he uses arma 3 sync and google drive 😕

turbid meadow Jul 7, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Mmh

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You might be able to do something about the google drive part, but doing something about the A3S part would likely be hard

inland sphinx Jul 7, 2019, 4:53 PM

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you can DMCA their hosting provider

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 5:35 PM

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like this kid legitimately has dox'd me and said hell distribute my private information unless I hand over my assets .. make custom content = being attacked by a giant life community because they want my stuff . wow . really wish there was some way of protecting content better 😦

old jay Jul 7, 2019, 5:39 PM

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1st. If he's threatening you in such a manner, file a police report.
2nd. Send any proof of this to the Bohemia Interactive Community manager via the Forum ( user @ BIS_Homesick).
3rd. Be able to provide proof that "your" content is actually yours.

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 5:45 PM

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its not all entirely mine as there are buildings and structures that were made by my modeler but I do have it in writing that I obtain full ownership and rights to the IP and its source. Ill be filing a police report tomorrow morning when I stop by the station , but im afraid nothing will come of reporting to community , as ive heard a lot of people already reported anzus gaming and nothing has ever been done 😕 … im skeptical but ill try . thanks !

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 9:04 PM

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whats the infringements emails for bohemia ? I forgot what it was and I cannot seem to find it anywhere..

elfin coral Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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infringements@bistudio.com

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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thanks !

elfin coral Jul 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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is in the topic of #ip_rights_violations 😃

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 PM

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I looked there and said nothing was pinned

elfin coral Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 PM

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topic, not pinned 😉

earnest gull Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 PM

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oh … I knew that, was just testing you 😛

elfin coral Jul 7, 2019, 9:06 PM

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¬_¬

old jay Jul 8, 2019, 7:25 AM

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@earnest gull infringements @ bistudio is to report infringements of Bohemia content only.

inland sphinx Jul 8, 2019, 10:57 AM

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USP causes lots of IP rights talk and discussion and Drama about another modder group, but they are ofc clean.
USP releases their mod. 8 hours later: "A DMCA was filed for this object"
🤔

vast stump Jul 8, 2019, 11:01 AM

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sounds legit.

inland sphinx Jul 8, 2019, 11:02 AM

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But they always said people are throwing false accusations and false DMCA's at them. We'll have to wait and see I guess

rugged tree Jul 8, 2019, 5:02 PM

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The same people who bitched about VSM? I mean, only reason VanSch quit ARMA modding is because he got tired of the threats. Still not sure how jarrad convinced him to hand the reins over.

old jay Jul 8, 2019, 5:03 PM

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@rugged tree Incorrect

elfin coral Jul 8, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@slate sapphire just follow Valve's procedure,. you cannot stop anyone submitting a DMCA claim as that would make you above the law,. but Valve will note that your content is legitimate and correct your item.

rugged tree Jul 8, 2019, 5:04 PM

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I'll be blunt, the G3s included in Zenith didn't even look the same as the Battlefield G3s, despite what people claimed.

old jay Jul 8, 2019, 5:05 PM

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The evidence was overwhelming

rugged tree Jul 8, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Now, I have no idea about the gorkas people also mentioned but eh.

elfin coral Jul 8, 2019, 5:05 PM

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just keep working with valve against any claims,. maybe after a few you can suggest to valve that certain persons have a grievance with your group and they will add it to any notes they keep.

rugged tree Jul 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I honestly miss the VSM Zenith backpacks. Nothing quite like them, still.

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USP is close though.

elfin coral Jul 8, 2019, 5:06 PM

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if you are legitimate you should have nothing to worry about,. i know the dmca notice thing can put some people off downloading a mod, but it is what it is and is a relatively good system they have.

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Also record your correspondence with valve (archive emails etc), incase you need those in future.

inland sphinx Jul 8, 2019, 7:57 PM

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@slate sapphire "I wish BI could just scan our content and let Valve know something" you are overestimating the actual interaction between valve and BI ^^
Also BI doesn't get involved with user content unless it violates their rights in some way.

Just reply to valves email and explain, maybe you're lucky and they ban the idiots.
Keep in mind that valve might forward what you're writing to the other party

abstract crest Jul 9, 2019, 12:28 AM

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"Also BI doesn't get involved with user content unless it violates their rights in some way" Errrr, BI really doesn't care unless it violates their rights...

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I mean, seriously. While we might not care for Life servers, Bohemia covertly loves them

zenith moss Jul 9, 2019, 5:12 AM

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"We'll have to wait and see I guess" lmao.... quality

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@rugged tree I suggest you actually have any semblance of an idea of what you are talking about before suggesting VSM was even close to what someone could consider innocent.

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A huge portion of the community who actually does model and texture and all that jazz came out against him because it was obvious.

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More or less the DMCA just makes us wait some time to put it back on steam.... its insane to see the little amount of info they can supply for a DMCA to go through but I understand it... I've just always supplied a shit ton of info in mine and given file names and all that

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The VSM pack contained a large amount of stolen items that Van was very aware were stolen... he admitted to it and then publicly tried to pretend he got them on cgtrader or whatever... it was really just disgraceful.

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Hopefully USP does not experience anymore fraud DMCAs, if we do honestly it will be annoying but not really a huge issue. DMCA protects a lot of the websites we use and they are really just taking the required precautions.

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This is perhaps a stupid question, but will everyone who has downloaded it be unsubbed? Or do they retain the subscription so that when it comes back they dont have to do anything and theyll have it again.

dull spear Jul 9, 2019, 5:27 AM

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if you give someone an exclusive license for publishing/distribution your own work, would this usually also cover sources?
and if so, does it still apply if you change the model significantly (ie port to/adjust for another engine)

zenith moss Jul 9, 2019, 5:29 AM

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I would not consider porting or adjusting for another engine significant modification

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The question regarding sources is a good one. I would assume the distribution rights would be for for source files.

dull spear Jul 9, 2019, 5:31 AM

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so RV engine <-> Unity/UE4 is not significant (LODs, shaders, PBR, etc)?

zenith moss Jul 9, 2019, 5:50 AM

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well excluding LODs because you should still have the original source asset as LOD0 or whatever, yeah converting to PBR and doing RVmat shaders is not enough to considering it a new work

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I would say at least 50-75% of the model and maybe even more would need to change/be redone in order to consider it transformative.

zealous ore Jul 9, 2019, 5:54 AM

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@dull spear depends on contract, but sources are usually not covered

dull spear Jul 9, 2019, 5:55 AM

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usually not was also my understanding, but yeah some want it different..

inland sphinx Jul 9, 2019, 7:07 AM

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@zenith moss if the item get's taken down from workshop, then people will be unsubbed

inland sphinx Jul 9, 2019, 11:35 AM

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No idea about hidden, but why hide?

inland sphinx Jul 9, 2019, 12:32 PM

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doesn't match what I've seen in the past

lean plover Jul 9, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Valve waits time X after they get a DMCA. Once time is up, and no counter claim was filed, they remove the content

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Not the case if the proof is tight and obvious, also if the one who files the DMCA is known

zenith moss Jul 9, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Yeah in our case they just immediately removed it before sending anything

manic crystal Jul 9, 2019, 2:37 PM

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This is part of Valve's statement: As a result of this complaint we have temporarily removed your posting from Steam as required by law.

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So yes, it is only temporarily hidden while we counter-claim

lean plover Jul 9, 2019, 2:44 PM

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while we counter-claim
counter claim what mod?

manic crystal Jul 9, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Sorry, this is all part of the USP Gear DMCA claim

lean plover Jul 9, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Ah, ok.. Just read up on it again to inderstand the context

rugged tree Jul 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Oof. Am sad. Had built a mission for a small group I'm in using USP gears and didn't realize it was down right now when I went to edit said mission

zenith moss Jul 10, 2019, 1:03 AM

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@rugged tree check our reddit thing for a link

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 12:30 AM

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heres a funny one … anzus apparently claims TFAR gave him monetization rights can anyone confirm?

elfin coral Jul 11, 2019, 12:31 AM

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ask @inland sphinx 😉

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 12:32 AM

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oh wow … and i was writing deadmen in the search bar trying to figure out why i cant find him 😂

vivid musk Jul 11, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Considering Dedmen has reported Anzus for illegally monetizing more times than I can count, they're likely not being entirely truthful

chrome nebula Jul 11, 2019, 4:10 AM

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@earnest gull that is their default claim

winter perch Jul 11, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Anzus Life? they stole one of my mods once and claimed it as their own

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I DMCA'd their 3500+ subscriber workshop modpack and the owner ended up taking it down

chrome nebula Jul 11, 2019, 6:01 AM

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yeah they are probably one of the worst offenders

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 6:13 AM

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oh most deffinately the owner legit came to me and threatened to dox me and leak it , unless i gave him my assets .. i laughed at his face and gave him my address 😛

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i have soooooooo many pictures of him asking users for "deobfuscators" and for assets , maps , and even straight up admitting to using city life assets.... how is this guy still allowed to have a server? no idea ..

winter perch Jul 11, 2019, 6:48 AM

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get all the evidence together and make a forum post about it

inland sphinx Jul 11, 2019, 6:58 AM

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@earnest gull no they don't have permission, actually they have explicitly no permission.. But ofc they don't care

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^ Yes please. Post it publicly somewhere, give BI a reason to have to act...

winter perch Jul 11, 2019, 7:08 AM

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if you want something done, it's best in this instance to speak up about it, or nothing will happen

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your best bet is posting it in the BI forums

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as much evidence as you can, compile it in an imgur album or something

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like really, if you don't do anything, the chance of something at least happening about it is absolutely zero

inland sphinx Jul 11, 2019, 7:13 AM

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well we constantly report to BI, no idea why they don't act

old jay Jul 11, 2019, 7:22 AM

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thousands of reports and 2 people handling said reports as "backpack roles"

dim temple Jul 11, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Question, I'm writing a program (in java if that matters) that will be using a library licenced under GNU. I want to put a way more restrictive licence on the code I wrote. How do I make a license that differentiates between code I wrote and the library I use?

fiery egret Jul 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

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GNU is not a license. You are most probably talking about GPL or LGPL.
In case of GPL, this is not possible unless you call the library using system() calls (I don't know Java so the name may differ). If you want to normally use the code in your program, you HAVE to license your program as GPL. In case of LGPL, you can license your program however you want

cursive sedge Jul 11, 2019, 1:39 PM

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LGPL is fine with Java, GPL is a bit unclear; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works

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FSF would say no

dim temple Jul 11, 2019, 2:56 PM

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It's GPLv3, so I'm screwed. Guess I'm gonna be looking for a different library to use

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 3:50 PM

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@inland sphinx i have no problem posting somewhere if it means to back bohemia into a corner where theyll have no choice but to take action. But , where’d u recommend i post the pictures too? I dont really know where to post besides the steam forums but doubt that will be an effective place to post that .

inland sphinx Jul 11, 2019, 3:50 PM

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BI Forums.. somewhere...

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/forum/157-arma-3-multiplayer/
or maybe "why you no act on it?" in https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/forum/167-arma-3-questions-answers/
I think multiplayer fits best

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 3:52 PM

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10-4 will post within an hour as i have quite alot to say regarding the subject with anzus

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I thought by finding someone who can do custom encryptions to my .pbos would help but .... apparently its not that easy finding someone who knows how to do that sorta stuff . Even when looking outside of the arma community 😕 so need to take the bohemia forums route and keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏼

vast stump Jul 11, 2019, 3:58 PM

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do remember that use of EBO (encrypted pbo format) is prohibited as its reserved for BI use only and making it means reverese engineering the original encryption which is pretty bad offence

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Yeah

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Thats why its hard to find someone that can encrypt my stuff while still being inline with bohemiad tos

inland sphinx Jul 11, 2019, 4:05 PM

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there aren't really any other ways besides EBO to "safely" encrypt a PBO

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The engine can read it, meaning everyone else can also read it

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I made my own encryption once, but requires a special launcher because.. as I said if the engine can read it, everyone can.
So I made something that the engine can't read without external help

earnest gull Jul 11, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Tho yes , i am a life server... since i do not monetize nor accept donations and my content featured is either vanilla arma assets, and some custom stuff ive had made , i still wish to use assets that belong to other content creators and if i can show those people that everything i have is secure might entice them to approve my request to use an asset or two

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So im being persistant with security being the main priority because otherwise i know my stuff will be leaked probably within a day or so after public release -_-

old jay Jul 11, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Thats why its hard to find someone that can encrypt my stuff while still being inline with bohemiad tos There is NO ONE.

inland sphinx Jul 11, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Well I can

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hooking the windows API doesn't touch the Arma EULA in any way.

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But it's simply not of much use to most people I guess as you need a custom launcher

dull spear Jul 12, 2019, 4:37 AM

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blant statements dont help -FM-. best to stay true and accurate

winter perch Jul 12, 2019, 3:08 PM

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make a .hpp for every letter of the alphabet containing that corresponding letter, e.g. a.hpp, b.hpp, etc

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then replace every letter in your config with an #include line

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BOOM

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budget encryption

lean plover Jul 12, 2019, 3:10 PM

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LOL 😂

winter perch Jul 12, 2019, 3:11 PM

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All of this, just, works

inland sphinx Jul 12, 2019, 5:41 PM

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"All of this, just, works"
not really, one #include per line. classnames cannot have line breaks inbetween.
not sure if #include removes the line it itself is on, but to keep correct file line numbers it shouldn't

winter perch Jul 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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it's a joke

abstract crest Jul 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

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What really? Damn... I just spent six hours editing my config.cpp 😦

lean plover Jul 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

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feels the urge to jump onto this perfect draft to drop the perfect humiliation, but the wiki exporter is not done yet

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😂

abstract crest Jul 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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🤣

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This weekend mate... Sunday more than Saturday

earnest gull Jul 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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yikes … I was about to make the forum post until I saw this https://gyazo.com/e2f2c743d6ada845bbaf5be41dab7c59

highly doubt bohemia will take action against its #1 server … wow

vast stump Jul 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same as rules everyone else. Make your post.

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You think server like that can do shit if every other modder decide BIs policies are not equal and quit the scene.

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Whose content will they then use without permission

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BI gets nothing of their server action unless they are silently paying BI off. Which if was true would likely pull the plug on many mods.

earnest gull Jul 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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true good point . yeah .. ill give my long post a try and see what happens.

Im also considering buy a private DMCA license. Good idea? Or No?

inland sphinx Jul 13, 2019, 10:27 AM

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what is a "private DMCA license"?

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do you mean getting a lawyer?

chrome nebula Jul 13, 2019, 4:23 PM

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nothing is going to happen to Anzus at this point, they have received dozens of reports and nothing has been done

old jay Jul 13, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Don't be so sure.

chrome nebula Jul 13, 2019, 8:43 PM

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🤷

buoyant mountain Jul 14, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Anzus gaming at it again hahaha

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Never ends

near lintel Jul 14, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Where do I make monetization complaints?

inland sphinx Jul 14, 2019, 3:00 PM

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monetization@bistudio.com

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@lean plover https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1804570678

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not sure if you're interested in CUP Terrains stuff though

lean plover Jul 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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HAAAAANS, get tze Flammenwerfer

turbid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:17 PM

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TankTiger

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Blast em away Frank GermanFeelMan

lean plover Jul 15, 2019, 5:27 PM

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@cursive sedge
that thing is online for 4 and a half hours... how'd you find this?

turbid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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4 and a half hours? I'd say more around 10 hours, no?

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 5:32 PM

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@lean plover workshop database + terrain indexer 😄

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showed a lot of existing duplicates

lean plover Jul 15, 2019, 5:43 PM

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I'd say more around 10 hours, no?
can't check... it's..... gone

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😄

turbid meadow Jul 15, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Hehehe

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But I feel like it said that it was uploaded at 9:23 am my time

inland sphinx Jul 15, 2019, 5:55 PM

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"how'd you find this?" new crawler version got some steroids 😄

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 6:05 PM

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🤔

inland sphinx Jul 15, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I'm using crawler API for a mod suggestion tool for my group now.
Enter steam URL and it autofills last update time and such. And will in the future notify us when mod updates are available :3

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 6:37 PM

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that you could just use steam webapi for 🤔

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it even supports bulk queries

inland sphinx Jul 15, 2019, 6:39 PM

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😢

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 6:47 PM

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for updates that is 😄

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if you want to do more fancy stuff the crawler api is probably nice

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I was thinking about making some kind of webhook service for steam workshop

inland sphinx Jul 15, 2019, 7:06 PM

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would be neat yes

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then I wouldn't need to poll weekly

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Could make that a subscriber service of the crawler. Get a notification when a file appears, or a item get's updated

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for like $1/month

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as a patreon benefit

patent copper Jul 15, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Then atleast my patreon would make more sense 😬

cursive sedge Jul 15, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I need the webhook for other stuff, just need to add some kind of user management 😛

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could even add support for picking format

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make it slack compatible

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then it works with both slack and discord at least

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but then it would probably need some selection of what items to receive events for 🤔

warm dew Jul 15, 2019, 8:19 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/money-shutup-take-my-gif-7953571

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turbid meadow Jul 16, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Yikes https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1804873763&searchtext=

winter perch Jul 16, 2019, 3:32 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1759218531

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the rabbit hole goes deeper

turbid meadow Jul 16, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I scrolled through the newest mods a bit and man theres a lot of modpack uploads @winter perch

winter perch Jul 16, 2019, 3:37 PM

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oof

turbid meadow Jul 16, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Saw like 5 or 6 in 2 or 3 pages?

inland sphinx Jul 16, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Pls no I need bed :U

turbid meadow Jul 16, 2019, 3:45 PM

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hehehe sorry

old jay Jul 16, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Hence why its a very bad idea to recommend mods based on the workshop filters.

cursive sedge Jul 16, 2019, 4:34 PM

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😛

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"funny" idea, make a browser extension which marks reuploads while browsing the steam workshop website 😄

old jay Jul 16, 2019, 4:50 PM

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That would require "whomever" to actually investigate and take the reports (marks) seriously. In the past, Valve have actually reversed content blocked by BI (to BIs shock).

earnest gull Jul 16, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yeah i dont think they take it seriously unfortunately. Ive written out a giant post i intended to post on forums and had it written out since saturday still contemplating weather or not if its “worth the drama”

inland sphinx Jul 16, 2019, 7:23 PM

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if it changes anything, then it was worth it

turbid meadow Jul 16, 2019, 7:24 PM

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And if you dont do anything about it you cant complain about it as well owowhatsthis

earnest gull Jul 16, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Basically a lose / lose ... i mean its just so discuraging knowing that ive sent bohemia reports on other communities with no avail not to mention when i spoke with their support of anseperate issue the support members name was Harri Kunt which honestly just kind of showed me that they dont take things seriously . Sorry if ive spoken out of line but .. yeah.

inland sphinx Jul 16, 2019, 7:46 PM

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"Kunt" not all of the world is american you know?

earnest gull Jul 16, 2019, 7:49 PM

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That was the name they used what does being american have to do with anything? Im confused

inland sphinx Jul 16, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I thought you were trying to say that because their name was "kunt" which sounds similar to a english word means they are just joking and not taking stuff seriously

elfin coral Jul 16, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I'd post it,. I mean they are clearly in the wrong IP and monetisation wise,.
There is a clear issue here, by not posting it the general public are unaware of this going on. In addition by having an open discussion on the forum about the topic where anyone has the right to reply on it is the best approach in the interest of the community where anyone is free to add thoughts or concerns to it.
This kind of stuff paints everyone who mods Arma in a bad light and IMO not calling out wrongs where wrongs exist just buries any issues further.

winter perch Jul 16, 2019, 10:08 PM

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post it and send the link

sweet patio Jul 17, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Quick question, if I release a script/mod under Arma Public License Share Alike (APL-SA), are people allowed to re release it under Arma Public License No Derivatives (APL-ND)?

old jay Jul 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Share Alike - If you adapt, or build upon this material, you may distribute the resulting material only under the same license.

sweet patio Jul 17, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Alright, so it is not. Thanks

dull spear Jul 17, 2019, 5:56 PM

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the prob with this is though BI doesnt enforce it

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not even for their own ALDP

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so if people dont release the source, you cannot modify it - so even if its still under SA, it has no practical meaning

finite mulch Jul 18, 2019, 10:49 AM

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I’m not sure this is the place to ask but I remember seeing a similar case somewhere, iv accidentally deleted the source to one of my addons (all made by me) and seen that with proof somebody I think from BI reverse engineered it back for somebody? Anyone any ideas??

dull spear Jul 18, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@finite mulch what type of data?

finite mulch Jul 18, 2019, 11:18 AM

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O o

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PBO*

dull spear Jul 18, 2019, 4:20 PM

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@finite mulch terrain, model, anims, etc

hoary grove Jul 19, 2019, 9:06 PM

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quick question where do i report IP violations and server that are leaking info about players for money

inland sphinx Jul 20, 2019, 7:40 AM

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is the server monetized?

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you report ip violations to the owner of that IP

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if the server is monetized though: monetization@bistudio.com

vernal carbon Jul 20, 2019, 6:14 PM

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someone uploaded some modpack - idk the content, probably RHS + others?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1804358511&searchtext=

inland sphinx Jul 20, 2019, 6:15 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1799817750 not his first rodeo

vernal carbon Jul 20, 2019, 6:16 PM

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rotten apple will always be rotten

inland sphinx Jul 20, 2019, 6:17 PM

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no RHS in yours, only ACE, Niarms, A3GNVG18

vernal carbon Jul 20, 2019, 6:19 PM

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i dont follow any mods, so cant ID it 🤷

cursive sedge Jul 22, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@strange shadow https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1811220898

grand fable Jul 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Am i allowed to edit sounds for example the t140k cannon sound?

inland sphinx Jul 23, 2019, 6:58 AM

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vanilla game sounds you mean? Outside of any sample packs? I assume no

grand fable Jul 23, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Yea vanilla game sounds

lean plover Jul 23, 2019, 7:54 AM

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@grand fable
You can create your own sound and write a replacement mod for the vanilla sound

inland sphinx Jul 23, 2019, 8:00 AM

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yes you can certainly replace the sound.
But not sure about taking, and editing vanilla sound files

vast stump Jul 23, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Out of curiosity how would editing a vanilla texture file and using that be different from editing a vanilla sound file and using that?

inland sphinx Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

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don't think so, I consider that the same

grand fable Jul 23, 2019, 8:32 AM

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I haven't seen anyone edit a vanilla sound so thats y i asked. I could try and make my own sounds but idk anything about making a sound

chrome nebula Jul 23, 2019, 8:31 PM

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cant you manipulate some sounds via the array? Pitch, length etc

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might not be exactly what your looking for

elfin coral Jul 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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ask in #community_forum or if its in the discord the #discord_server channels

timber basin Jul 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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cheers. Ill bring it there

elfin coral Jul 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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np

strange shadow Jul 24, 2019, 1:34 PM

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thanks @cursive sedge

vast stump Jul 24, 2019, 1:42 PM

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that description on it though

strange shadow Jul 24, 2019, 2:18 PM

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dumb is what dum does

lean plover Jul 25, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Out of curiosity: what, beide moral, speaks against selling monetization licenses for mods?

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One would Not sell a mod, just the permission to users to monetize it on a server?

turbid meadow Jul 25, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Something like that seems like a surefire way to create drama

lean plover Jul 25, 2019, 12:17 PM

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That for sure, but the question was if this is even possible

vast stump Jul 25, 2019, 12:23 PM

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arma tools are non commercial

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 12:24 PM

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selling someone permission to use the mod would count as commercial use

lean plover Jul 25, 2019, 12:26 PM

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True

vast stump Jul 25, 2019, 2:09 PM

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comes back again to that you can sell source files, be it models, textures, code. but once its put into a mod or BI fileformats it 99% time goes through the Arrna tools

lean plover Jul 25, 2019, 2:19 PM

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i'd say this deserves a closer look at by BI. i guess selling mods will never be a thing in arma, but at least selling permissions for monetization should be then

cursive sedge Jul 25, 2019, 2:25 PM

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you could make the config addon without any arma tools thinkat3d

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and just have the model, anim etc as free but "unusable"

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 2:37 PM

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in reality though, these sites simply use pbo's packed with bi/mikeros tools and also obfuscate them and don't give a F about the non-commercial part of the tools license
Some even sell ebo's...

dull spear Jul 25, 2019, 2:38 PM

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does BI shut down these script selling shops?

surreal yacht Jul 25, 2019, 2:38 PM

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😂

dull spear Jul 25, 2019, 2:38 PM

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so you have your answer

surreal yacht Jul 25, 2019, 2:39 PM

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They should've changed their ebo key before GM release. I wonder why it wasn't done.

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 2:39 PM

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it was planned as far as I heard...

dull spear Jul 25, 2019, 2:43 PM

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GM used a different ebo key, didnt it? was just super easy to extract again

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in other words to harden the system they would had to put more effort into it

fiery egret Jul 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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They could slightly change the ebo specs with each Arma release. Not even changing the keys, because that would require updating the whole ebos for everyone. Just have a random number that has to match for each release, for example.
Delta-patching 4 bytes of all the ebos on the disk would be a negligible cost for everyone but you'd have the guarantee that all your ebos would stop working within one month of creation. Yes, that would also be very simple to reverse but since it's impossible to prevent reversing Arma anyway, the goal would be to make it annoying to use your custom ebos

cursive sedge Jul 25, 2019, 3:22 PM

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or whitelist ebo file hashes in engine 🤷

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of course that could be worked around as well but it would make random ebos on steam workshop less plausable

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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"Delta-patching 4 bytes of all the ebos on the disk" would be 4 bytes if the number is at end. But for that you'd usually use a prefix, which is at the start. And will alter the encrypted content for everything after it
Enforce bisign check for ebo's, and deny to load it on clientside if they don't match
every client has BI bikeys in his game folder by default. so all BI ebo's will be able to verify against that. No mod ebo's will be able to though.
Meaning mod authors would now have to either replace the BI bikey on every client that wants to run the mod. Or put their own key in there.

That makes it into a problem that everyone needs to solve, not just the ebo creator who has all the time to solve something in his dark cellar. But at the point where every user needs to do something to be able to use the stuff, it will not be worth it anymore

dull spear Jul 25, 2019, 3:33 PM

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how much EBO from BI are left these days?

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 3:33 PM

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tanoa, contact, GM, Tanks maybe?

cursive sedge Jul 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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tanks should be pbos now afaik?

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since like a patch or two

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yep, https://dev.arma3.com/post/spotrep-00088

Arma 3

SPOTREP #00088 | Dev Hub | Arma 3

Game Update 1.92 (Launcher DLC Section, Dynamic Weapon Magazines)

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Changed: Tanks DLC addons have been converted from EBO to the PBO format

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tacops perhaps then too?

surreal yacht Jul 25, 2019, 3:54 PM

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tanoa is pbo

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only contact + gm

fiery egret Jul 25, 2019, 4:21 PM

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The bisig verification sounds like a very good solution. The only downside that I can think of is that you don't know who is creating the ebos. Maybe they are letting contractors, without access to bikeys build them, who knows?
But even then, they could just create additional keys to give out to these people 🤔

inland sphinx Jul 25, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Maybe they are letting contractors, without access to bikeys build them, who knows?
no

fiery condor Jul 25, 2019, 7:14 PM

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I think selling rights to mod would be a great middle ground.

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I mean this whole fiasco started with life servers monetizing mods behind paywalls. Why respecting IP is definitely a chunk of the issues, I think the main argument all this time has simply been about money.

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Why I still to this day, don't think it's BIs job to enforce mod IPs. If you owned a small dev company would you want to spend thousands of dollars on what could be solved in small claims court?

What I think would be easier, is taking some man hours from BI legal team to create a contract template. Basically states that Mod Arthur gives rights based on this momentary agreement, violation will cause server to be removed, and opens them up to personal liability.

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People use their real names, full address, ect.

vast stump Jul 25, 2019, 7:29 PM

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then again there is the CDLC program that kinda does that

lean plover Jul 25, 2019, 11:18 PM

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but there are a lot of mods that do not qualify for the CDLC program

fiery condor Jul 25, 2019, 11:42 PM

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It would be a win win for each side

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Servers can monetized legally without all the drama. Modders can get a bit of money, and there is a actual legal document from BI that helps modders enforce their own IP instead of relying on them to do it.

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It would also be a much needed start it actually studying the cause and effect of how much a mod adds to a server value on paper.

inland sphinx Jul 26, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I maybe should be recommending my patreon to people who I give monetization permission to. Some people are nice and like to thank the modders.

zenith moss Jul 27, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@fiery condor if you actually make good content that you can sell outside of arma for others to use you do make quite a bit of money off it.

lone crane Jul 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Hi everyone, I have a tricky question:
I am an administrator of a server where we try as much as possible to create ourselves our buildings, to import our own vehicles, etc ...

The problem is that one of our buildings, despite our efforts to protect our creations, was found on a (Canadian) server a few weeks ago.
Our building: http://puu.sh/DY0bO/c4561c29c1.jpg
Their devblog where we clearly see our building modified badly: https://www.anzus.life/topic/6915-kamdan-life-204-changelog/
And the pbo not even rename ...:
http://puu.sh/DY0CT/e4e461ac1a.png

My question is: How can we better protect our creations to prevent them from being stolen, debinarized and appropriated by someone who is not the author or how to act against this kind of theft?
We are not very aware of anything that could help us in the field so I put the question directly here, if this is not the right place, tell me!
I am just modeling a rather large bank which takes me a lot of time so it would piss me off if I saw another server to appropriate my creation ..

Bonus: A pic of my WIP
https://puu.sh/DXZJG/e89b9e7054.jpg

lean plover Jul 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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oh... anzus... what a surprise...
sadly there is little to nothing to prevent [insert insults of your likings] of ripping stuff. every known obfuscation method can be, with some effort, reverse engineered and therefore is useless.
the only way to get a hold on anzus (atm) would be opening a legal case against the owners

lone crane Jul 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Don't we have licensing rights to our creations after using Arma 3 Tools?
BI couldn't help us in this case if we bring enough evidence of our IP?

inland sphinx Jul 27, 2019, 1:59 PM

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oh anzus..

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what a .. oh you already said that

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Yes it's your stuff

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you can sue/DMCA them or their server hoster where they host the files for free download

lean plover Jul 27, 2019, 1:59 PM

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no... licenses mean shit to anzus, and BI will not get involved into "private" cases

inland sphinx Jul 27, 2019, 2:00 PM

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and also please write a email to monetization@bistudio.com about them stealing your model, and also monetizing their server without permission. because that's what they are doing

lone crane Jul 27, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I'm going to do that, thanks for your quick and relevant answers guys

elfin coral Jul 27, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I really hope BI do something about those guys sooner rather than later, it's every second report in this channel and #ip_rights_violations mentioning them pretty much and yet they are allowed to continue to abuse BI licencing.

I also don't get why this channel is in the Off Topic section and not in Creative Discussion as it pertains to Arma modding IP and we are prohibited from talking about non-BI/community IP in the #ip_rights_violations channel anymore.

vast stump Jul 27, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Out of sight out of mind 👀

inland sphinx Jul 27, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I don't get it either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

old jay Jul 27, 2019, 5:44 PM

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A title such as Community_IP might be a bit better name.

inland sphinx Jul 27, 2019, 5:46 PM

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don't see why we need a second channel tho

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not like there was much BI ip stuff talked about in #ip_rights_violations

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without community stuff in there there might be one message every few months not really worth to have a channel for that

lean plover Jul 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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i'm in favor of renaming this channel to what FM suggested and move it to Creative Discussion

lone crane Jul 30, 2019, 10:56 AM

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The Founder of Anzus is such a ...

old jay Jul 30, 2019, 11:05 AM

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No need to cast aspersions.

lone crane Jul 30, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Sorry..

earnest gull Jul 30, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Can someone please send the email to report IP violations this damn iphone doesnt let me copy/paste no clue why ... thanks !

inland sphinx Jul 30, 2019, 6:23 PM

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which email?

earnest gull Jul 30, 2019, 6:29 PM

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The one where i would report anzus too the infragenments@bohemia.net (i cant spell that word for the life of me )

inland sphinx Jul 30, 2019, 6:32 PM

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monetization@bistudio.com

wet gate Jul 30, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Any information about the workshop crawler besides what's posted?

inland sphinx Jul 30, 2019, 6:50 PM

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no

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but the API works just fine

wet gate Jul 30, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I have no clue how to use the API

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is there any instructions?

inland sphinx Jul 30, 2019, 6:58 PM

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https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/items/yourID replace by your item ID

For example

https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/items/894678801
In there scroll down to versions, and find the one with "isLatest" set to true.
Get it's ID, in this case 71095ac4-fd3b-4ea6-bc05-0ffb766b4b36
Then use https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/versions/yourID to get content

https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/versions/71095ac4-fd3b-4ea6-bc05-0ffb766b4b36

With that you can also check previous versions if they were indexed by the crawler

wet gate Jul 30, 2019, 7:04 PM

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oh this is going to be fun. Guess I'll have to roll up my sleeves and figure this out this evening. Please forgive me everyone if I accidentally delete the internet.

glacial copper Jul 30, 2019, 7:24 PM

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It's okay, the internet wasn't that great anyways

vast stump Jul 30, 2019, 7:25 PM

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yea could use a bit of cleanup

naive pine Jul 30, 2019, 9:35 PM

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If I make a mod/current mod of mine and release it under apl-sa/dpl-sa and someone downloads my sources, edits them/releases them or whatever. They don’t, or people using the new released files don’t have to ask me for monetization correct? As well as if anyone reuploads their modified files, steals w/e that doesn’t fall on me to pursue?

wet gate Jul 30, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Ok...if you're reading this @inland sphinx I didn't delete the internet. I got my 9d5672fe-8cb5-45e5-aeb5-d2c9d717df8d number. How do I use this to find reuploads?

vivid musk Jul 30, 2019, 10:36 PM

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https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/versions/9d5672fe-8cb5-45e5-aeb5-d2c9d717df8d @wet gate

patent copper Jul 31, 2019, 12:58 AM

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@wet gate you can pump your own workshop id into this endpoint which will show you reuploads

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https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/queries/by/item?id=yourId

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the options available are here https://ryantt.github.io/wsc/docs#tag/Queries/paths/~1queries~1by~1item/get

wet gate Jul 31, 2019, 1:01 AM

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ok, thanks!

patent copper Jul 31, 2019, 1:21 AM

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to also scan for reuploads inside pbos, you need to specify &deep=true and also &detailed=true makes sense to use

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but in the end its an api mostly designed for machines to use 😬

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i might just end up making a small tool for download where you locally put in your mod and then it shows you reuploads, that would be the easiest tool to make

patent copper Jul 31, 2019, 3:34 AM

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This looks for all reuploads of p3d and paa files of your item @wet gate

https://api-v1.workshopcrawler.com/queries/by/item?id=1573550621&detailed=true&deep=true&only_regex=.*\.(paa|p3d)\b

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chrome doesnt like to display it nicely, if you view it in firefox, the whole output will be nicely formatted

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looks like theres 22 other workshop mods with your content in them

inland sphinx Jul 31, 2019, 7:34 AM

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@naive pine you still own the content, and to allow monetization you have to give an exemption to the license, which only the content owner can do. Which is you.
They can use the content in the manner of the license specified by you. If they want to go outside of the license, they need to get an exemption from the owner.
Uploading to steam workshop includes commercial use btw.

naive pine Jul 31, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Gotcha, thanks @inland sphinx

wet gate Jul 31, 2019, 5:59 PM

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@patent copper Thanks, looks like I have a few DMCAs to file.

turbid meadow Jul 31, 2019, 6:02 PM

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hyperbongocat DMCA marathon!