offtopic_weapons

[strange cloak]

Is there any precedent for countries giving weapons their own designations even if their weapons bought from other countries? Totally not asking cause my Arma addon is making a duplicate of already existing weapons and I'm looking for the laziest solution possible. Nope, not at all

[dapper kite]

Most militaries use the commercial name for their equipment (with the US being the massive exception), although sometimes a special version has been developed which in that case will get an unique name.

Eg. the M16A2 is the US military adaptation of the Colt AR-15, while the C7 is the Canadian version, and the C7NLD the Dutch version. Each are slightly different in their default configuration, but in the end the same weapon system.

[rose tundra]

UK does a lot

[glass jungle]

I would have said most do even

[ember idol]

plenty of countries develop clones too. china has a clone of m16, several countries have clones of the ak, etc

[wanton zephyr]

UK, US, Germany, they all do it

[rigid iron]

We do it here in Australia with the Steyr AUG

[glass jungle]

Although in the case of the Aussie AUG, being a domestic manufacture under license it's more logical than just rebranding a weapon for the sake of it like some countries do

[strange cloak]

Alright, cool. Thanks for the advice guys. I know I should fix the problem out right, but I think I'm just going to go for the easier (and lazier) "It's a feature, not a bug" solution

[heady jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n9IZp7QMQs weapons...system? still very funny

ah it's the video of a russian AA system immediately after being fired, literally doing a u turn on it's impacting the launcher

Ah, looking at the comments, it wasn't quite that, but it does U turn immediately and impact the ground

[heady jetty]

(please don't ban/warn me)

[strange lion]

hey guys, i have a IRL weapons question, i have been reading that in the south, in places like Texas and what not, farmers are having a heck of a time dealing with invasive predators like wild boar wolves, coyotes and such, they just tear up chicken coops and ruin crops like nothing, millions lost--and it seems like it's really really hard to push back against the tide, even with open hunting

--so i got a question for you, does suppressors and subsonic make it easier to take down such targets?--these animals are a jittery type right?

And if so, there's also the issue that typically subsonics don't very fly very far do they?--how do you reach out and touch them?

[dapper kite]

--so i got a question for you, does suppressors and subsonic make it easier to take down such targets?--these animals are a jittery type right?
Only if you miss and need to take a second shot.
But having a loud bang will already scare them away, so even if you miss they will still go away (temporarily)

And if so, there's also the issue that typically subsonics don't very fly very far do they?--how do you reach out and touch them?
Subsonic just means that the the speed is below the speed of sound (343 m/s or 1,130 ft/s), so it doesn't create an additional supersonic bang.
So a lower speed usually means a lower reach.

[strange lion]

so to retain subsonic means having to go larger caliber, if you want the extra reach rite?

[dapper kite]

caliber doesn't change anything to the maximum speed of the bullet, and larger calibers might even be worse since the bullets are heavier (and thus drop speed even faster).

[glass jungle]

that's the other way around, if you see the difference in braking required to stop a truck and a car, heavier bullets lose less speed since they have more momentum.
And anyway, heavier is usually better for subsonic because it delivers better kinetics (E=MC², if you keep C being speed relatively stable between two calibers but enhance M being the mass, you get more energy on target).

[deep geyser]

cannonball vs coyote

[dapper kite]

In the end, if you're a good shot it doesn't matter if you make some noise. And chance of killing any animal with supersonic ammo is always higher than with subsonic ammo.

There are quite some articles on the internet explaining the pro's and con's of subsonic ammo in hunting (eg. a round designed for deer at subsonic can barely kill a coyote).

[heady jetty]

Weapons...jets same thing: any guesses as to wtf this jet doing lol

..i cant upload pics so never mind xddd

[strange lion]

I see a lot of demonstration on youtube of 75~100 yards, is anything beyond 100 yards difficult for 5.56-caliber? how about blackout 300?

i read online that there's also a platform called .458 SOCOM, would that fly any flatter than Blackout 300 at subsonic speed?

[glass jungle]

range depends on a lot, the USMC qualifies it's riflemen out to 500 yards for instance.
Honestly there's plenty of videos on youtube clearing the subject, I think you'd better watch a couple of videos there and you'll have a better understanding

[main spade]

lol 300 blackout is pretty much 7.62x39

and 458 is shaped like a bus and probably flys like one. a case of volume of 61.6 with a 11.6mm bullet at 1900 fps it looses that velocity fast. its a dumb cartridge and past 300m its basically impossible to hit stuff with.

[strange lion]

seems like quite a few larger bore cartridges available for ar-15 https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/6-8-spc-vs-6-5-grendel/ this write-up focuses on 6.5 grendel vs 6.8 spc, arguing in 6.5 grendel's favor

[main spade]

new cute pew pew BnT 380 https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/DSC02327-660x371.jpg

would this fit in the RE series?

[copper girder]

Bren? or ZB something?

[main spade]

iz Vz. 52 and a anglisko do cesky kniga 😦. also true slav with machinegun and breakfast

[tall plume]

👀 I see you have a new fancy toy

[main spade]

letter for shooting light machine gun vz52???

[dapper hull]

yep and vz.52/57 LMG. Manual is this same. for vz.52 and vz.52/57, only another annexe (tables for fire)

[main spade]

service book Czechoslovakian army
minister of peoples defense

[dapper hull]

yep

[main spade]

this thing is not a very popular mg, I never seen this

[dapper hull]

😛 i love weapons...

[dapper hull]

Vz.52/57 - ZB501. 😄 Vz.26 - ZB26

[main spade]

do you buy the manuals?

[dapper hull]

yes. I do.

I have another manuals 😄 😄

😉

[main spade]

ive made this for my mod that im working on, can you understand it? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982010785893081161/1020706370921705532/unknown.png

its always hard to find manuals for my projects, I dont know why but launchers dont get the love that pew pews do

[dapper hull]

Yugoslavia?

[main spade]

yes its in srpskohrvatski

[dapper hull]

M57 is know

if

[main spade]

I'm gonna work on the rpg 75 in the near future

[dapper hull]

is cool. i have in work 😄

😁

[main spade]

do you know if the rocket has fins? I dont see any on any images

[main spade]

😮 I never see those, I guess most of the images are non firing training models

[daring tangle]

The missile knows where it is at all times

[frosty horizon]

https://i.imgur.com/lZrb01J.png

^ Does anyone know why the M1A2 TUSK II's explosive reactive armor doesn't cover the rear sides of the turret?

Isn't that where the ammo is stored? In the RHS mod for example, I can 1 shot cookoff the Abrams by hitting there with any AT rocket.

[main spade]

same reason why the side and rear are less protected than the front

[frosty horizon]

Yea I get it's not feasible to max out the protection everywhere but seems odd that the most vulnerable explodey part is not ERA'd on purpsoe

[main spade]

heavy - increase wear and tear
Costly - not only in money but in man hours in maintenance and install / deinstallation
Little value - if something is gonna hit you from the rear your in big trouble since the odds are less likely to begin with. Era sometimes does not stop Heat penetrators, example is if the flyer player hit the penetrator directly at its tangent its not gonna be effected much from it. also tandem warhead negate such counters.

For instance side skirts do not protect a tanks direct side, its only to help with off frontal shots by heat projectiles.

tanks with heavy ERA packages have their engines / rear protected by slat armor to defuse 80% of pg 7 projectiles (and similar sized equivalents) since the ERA protect the crew the engine is of less importance

[main spade]

another Goat :3 better than ak 12 / 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CE2wNnmIOg

[rigid iron]

Did you include a description with the link?

Obviously

[glass jungle]

This channel being an extension of #military_materials , pinned messages there also apply here and one specifically says that links/URLs/videos have to be accompanied by a comment stating the not-fake aspect of it

So yeah a quick description or comment about a video or link posted is appreciated

[rose tundra]

Or you could just read #rules 🙂

[fluid isle]

"pinned messages there also apply here" no
But #rules do

[tribal robin]

BI should consider donating Edita 🇺🇦

[eternal finch]

@dapper hull now you can use #1056183665706668032 for finished creative works and #1056183794979328120 for work-in-progress , both for Arma 3 related items, while #1049297536617291827 is for Enfusion ones

[dapper hull]

Thanks mate. This models know PBR materials.. models are good for AR and ArMA III too

[eternal finch]

i will most likely add gallery for AR and legacy etc. in future ... ETA as life allows

[dapper hull]

Who prepare "fireworks" for tomorrow?

[tall plume]

[haughty hound]

Classic firework to blow up that T-80!

[main spade]

cant use it... its all in czech 😦

[haughty hound]

Czechia-out if you can!

[dapper hull]

1. strip rubber

2. break the seal

3. turn to left - maximum

4. slide out

5. turn right back

[main spade]

I want to drize plamen 😦

[dapper hull]

plamen = fire

[glass jungle]

That Czech's out

[dapper hull]

RPG75 is grenadelauncher no rocket

[glass jungle]

Kind of like a recoilless launcher then ?

[dapper hull]

As grenadelauncher. RPG75 is grenadelauncher no as RPG7.

[glass jungle]

But then, is the name RPG kept because it's similar in form or does RPG stand for other words as rocket propelled grenade ? As R stands for raketa/rocket in RPG7

[dapper hull]

Red - gunpowder Green - projectile

RPG not in czech rocket

RPG-75 - Reaktivní protitankový granát vz.75

[glass jungle]

Oh ok, thanks for the explanation

[dapper hull]

RPG7 not too rocket

Ruční protitankový granát

😁

"Anti-tank hand grenade" is RPG7

"Reactive anti-tank grenade vz.75" is RPG75

🤪 problem with names have czech and soviet weapons - confusing the enemy

[glass jungle]

Definitely yep

[dapper hull]

Every RGP75 have "ear protection" 😄 😄

[main spade]

if only every copy of ace had that...

[stoic ravine]

https://youtu.be/Qf5-YzDixGo?t=297

hello every one , want to ask about the rugged display that to be found inside mraps and armoured vehicles , int the video above , inside the mrap there are two displays to be found , other than the displays shows the location of the car and some kind of maps of the area , what does it show more , and what is the need of two screens .

if any one have any information of these screens and what kind of information it shows please reply to me , i am looking for any information regarding the matter

thanks in advance

[wanton zephyr]

thats the cost of a decent used car, lol

[main spade]

that gucci pricing baby (I mean sig)

[tepid isle]

M1 Everything
https://youtu.be/zY3RLn2V6D0

[deep geyser]

im thinking

is it possible to add an adjustable tab that releases some of the gas that propels a mortar for short range applications

[glass jungle]

trying to add that to the commonly used additional charges will probably require too much precision on the user's part

better off to add elevation so the shell lands closer

[deep geyser]

im thinking just having it able to bypass or not
basically 2 firing modes

that way you dont have to elevate as much when you want to shoot closer

[glass jungle]

Yeah I see what you mean, add a vent so as to expel some of the gaz without propelling

[stone musk]

Anyone knows how BMG 71 TOW is displayed on the map?

I meant the designation of ATGM

[glass jungle]

like NATO depictions ?

[stone musk]

Yeah

Symbols

[glass jungle]

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/natomap/14b.gif

can't send pictures as is here so here we go

[stone musk]

Thank you

[arctic kiln]

Anyone willing to sell a hilux and dyska for 50k?

[main spade]

Soviet on top

[minor rock]

@main spade they're not bad per se but going against modern MBTs with a tank from the '80s is not the best idea

[main spade]

Obviously. People that say soviet gear is terrible are going off the standpoint of t-62s Vs the modern day mbts . Obviously they will fail. Yet when they were first released it was eye opening with their new technology

Lets take the atams when first made they were marvels. Yet the first iterations Vs modern day isnt a comparison

[minor rock]

Yeah

I would say stuff like Abrams can beat what Russia fields today but I wouldn't call this idiotic

They built a new tank, and then before Soviets could respond well they collapsed. Russia is starting to respond to Western developments but it's...

Staggered to say the least.

People look at this stuff really simplistically

[main spade]

Exactly

[deep geyser]

char 2c bis vs Abrams

[main spade]

abrams over hyped with propaganda. the russian tanks have more armor than it.
65 vs 46 tons and a large difference in dimensions
7.93 x 3.66 x 2.44 vs 6.86 x 3.78 x 2.22

[arctic kiln]

Yeah also Russian and American tanks will never be similar they have completely different doctrine. Russian tanks can be driven from the frontline to the factory that made them in 48hours so that’s why Russian tanks have more armor and have less crew and have more moving parts while American tanks have to be more self sufficient they can’t have better features because it’s a liability.

[spring summit]

do IRL heatseekers like strela lead targets or only direct themselves toward the target?

[tranquil kite]

afaik, to lead/intercept instead of chase, the missile needs to know the target pos/velocity. I don't think the imaging/processing can do that. Probably only find target and the angle off bore, resulting in a chase profile.

[deep geyser]

proportional navigation maybe

if the angle between our travel and the target does not change it means we will collide

[spring summit]

bet, thanks

[main spade]

there are two modes for the igla

point and fire where the missile locks on to the ir source, and another one. launch after acquiring ir.

https://youtu.be/hgsJ_zSsesw

[main spade]

you also have 50 sec of coolant for the seeker.

[deep geyser]

coolant

[main spade]

yeah if your seeker is turned to an accumulated 50 sec your missile is trash

In helicopters they display this , if you use up those 50 sec it switches to a new one and disables the spent missile

https://youtu.be/wG8_VnoCeg4?t=200

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982010785893081161/1085284130402611200/image.png

[ember idol]

yea, good thermals have required very good cooling

part of the massive expense

[main spade]

Does it actually get damaged or does it just need to cool down before it can be used again?

[analog dove]

Liquid nitrogen gets warm and need to be recharged

[main spade]

you replace the thermal accumulator with new one, I dont know where you would get one but they probably has a single spare for a x amount of launchers

[main spade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801927309875609670/1097231515940819034/image.png?width=1180&height=648

ak 12 but better

[glass jungle]

Akb15 ?

[main spade]

https://youtu.be/XCqa2umL8ME nice scientific study of barrel length :3

[wanton zephyr]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2023/05/11/e0fd1cddd3bf4a4d.mp4 https://img.pr0gramm.com/2023/05/11/e6604f047a43a61f.jpg

German police borrowed some know how from our american friends

There is something dangerous going on in Ratingen today, thats where this thing appeared

[deep geyser]

whats this

[wanton zephyr]

Ford F-150 with a retractable ramp to reach higher areas in buildings and over walls

First sight of this system was during training in 2011

[rose tundra]

saves you sprinting up an unstable ladder

[swift bay]

does anyone recognize what variant of SR-25 would that be? Wanted to add some specifics to a wiki, been googling around but couldn't find anything other than default military SR-25/M110 variants. Started wondering if there even is a "sports" configuration or whatever you would call it, that's purchasable as a whole

[main spade]

which game? it looks like some sporterized pew pew

[swift bay]

Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts

[main spade]

I Dont think you can even really drill and tap a rail on the side like that

[swift bay]

in game it looks a bit better, guess they fixed what the original modeler made controversial

[main spade]

https://www.ergogrips.net/shop/ergo-tactical-deluxe-grip-with-palm-shelf/

[swift bay]

so a custom/sportified version then, thx

[main spade]

I dont even think the stock exist for the ar 10 Mateusz

[deep geyser]

what if a missile has an outer shell for protection and discards it when in terminal phase

dumb idea generator hard at work

[glass jungle]

Hm like a slug with steel penetrator ?

Or like a long-term sabot

[deep geyser]

like a fairing on a rocket

[glass jungle]

To be protective enough it would generate too much drag/weight I think

[deep geyser]

what is the main destruction mechanic in the interception of a missile

[glass jungle]

Kinetic ?

[deep geyser]

man I thought it's shrapnel

[glass jungle]

Depends on the kind of missile, I was thinking about ATGM so it isn't much common to intercept those but ballistic missiles could very well be detonated with SAM missiles using proximity fuses, this being intercepted via shrapnel/blast damage

[main spade]

shrapnel is kinetic

everything except for HE is kinetic

[deep geyser]

should have mentioned ballistic/cruise missile in my original question
in my head it makes sense for them to be harder to kill since it can strike targets with higher value

[severe moon]

Whats your thoughts on the vz. 58?

[main spade]

overrated. just a sks in AK form

without the grenade launching capability like the jugos

[severe moon]

So while I was scrolling through the official r/CursedGuns discord, I found this M4 Bizon hybird.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664683297783283722/1118059601347231744/image0.jpg

[haughty hound]

It ain't Bizon, is SRM 1216

[severe moon]

Oh, yeah didn't know that, but still cursed so say the least.

But what about this ungodly, insane, son of a bitch gun https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/POTD-FightLite-Belt-Fed-Lever-Action-AR-2.jpg

[main spade]

the north korean stuff is most interesting

https://external-preview.redd.it/aGU_vFhC2J2xuyyC-sTJ_vPgc-MOtZ4nC6WJhqFLGw8.jpg?auto=webp&s=2dc960440e040fbd4f68d37c2569987d1882670f

OCIW and it uses the proven AK design :3

and the Type 88 https://preview.redd.it/the-type-88-2-a-north-korean-version-of-the-ak-74-with-a-v0-v65mpm0bt1wa1.jpg?auto=webp&s=bd12b9ab05e3b961f44538c41e576517d00fd92c

[severe moon]

The Type 88 is just a cursed Bizon AK-47 Hybird.

[main spade]

https://external-preview.redd.it/BLiYRpKZA6jK2cElB37HA05zpRKXWby__buMtPXXR8s.jpg?auto=webp&s=12b56a2c6ced6ba669c2cdc8f3e1ccc193a9cbe8

this one is really cool I dont think anyone knows the name of it

[severe moon]

Damn it is cool.

[ember idol]

lol the only thing I can find on that is this
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/03/14/mystery-north-korean-grenade-launcher/
looks like a shoulder breaker, or a WW2 style rifle grenade.

[severe moon]

This looks like an AK Grenade Launcher, like not some attachment, but literally the gun.

[severe moon]

So is there any obscure pistols out there?

[trail storm]

that looks like a child drew an ak from memory

[main spade]

the m26 mass has to the biggest POS weapon fielded in the past 80 years

[empty marsh]

Not supposed to be used as a weapon, it is a tool, for things like breaching

[main spade]

it doesnt even do that well...

you telling me they coudnt have made a mag fed mossburg shotgun out of aluminum instead of this abomination https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V1b5oFbAVsk

[deep geyser]

shotgun with underbarrel shotgun

[keen lake]

Mossbergs are made of aluminum... the mag is a weak point for the M26 I believe. Takes up more space to carry the M26 mags than a few loose breaching rounds.

[main spade]

the m26 just looks less practical then the 870 underbarrel or a standalone short mossberg

[severe moon]

What's your thoughts on the KR-103?

[severe moon]

I found this abomination of a sniper rifle modernization. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664683297783283722/1121221324300365924/mdzuvmjmivw01.png

[main spade]

this is one of my favorite conversions https://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/sniper/sn103/ots48k.jpg

[severe moon]

Holy shit, what the actual fucking hell is this, this is just too funny.

[main spade]

Why its basically a free floating Mosin that is compact and can accept svd scopes. Pretty much a mini kvsk 12.7

[serene yarrow]

@alpine linden I was a tutorial on youtube called:
Sniping basics- Finding the distance and adjusting the scope height

and tried the method and didnt work. so you say that the bullet travell velocity is also needed?

@gleaming basin yes.tired the equation and didnt work. got a 2 min for call?

[gleaming basin]

Nope.

[serene yarrow]

ok

[alpine linden]

https://www.targettamers.com/rifle-scopes/mil-dot-explained/

[serene yarrow]

@alpine linden thanks for the source. ill try if it work. If i dont write then it did:) have a good one

[tawny oak]

Is there anyone here who really likes guns and knows everything there is to know about the majority of it and could probably listen to a gunshot SFX for a video game to see if it’s just realistic enough?

[severe moon]

Yeah.

[severe moon]

So what's your thoughts on Ukraine's bullpulp modernisation of the AK-74? file:///C:/Users/ultra/Downloads/98yumqim9q881.jpg

[swift bay]

that's not how you share an image

do you mean the Black Storm or Malyuk?

[severe moon]

The Malyuk

[severe moon]

Also, how do I share an image?

[swift bay]

in a way that it actually shows an image, not a local link people can't do anything with.

if you can't upload images directly do Discord, use imgur or any image host and post a link

[severe moon]

Oh ok.

[severe moon]

What's your thoughts on the AKM?

[main spade]

yes

[severe moon]

So it's good?

[swift bay]

define good

the platform itself definitely is cheap and easy to use, but there are better and newer guns out there

[main spade]

like infantry weapons even matter much in war

[keen lake]

JVPC 5.56x30mm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcfg82YVAAEfVtb?format=jpg&name=medium

https://ddpdoo.gov.in/uploads/product/721f940450ca4131747acbdd2edf5da7.jpg

[patent solstice]

The Cope Coop
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/951730102549491712/1124177530182717481/Screenshot_20230630-101945.png

[severe moon]

Look at whatever the fuck this gun is. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664683297783283722/1121231166603800666/image0.jpg

[ember idol]

lol, it is like a butchered 30-30 turned into a break action, survival rifle?

[sullen flame]

It's a survival rifle

[severe moon]

I think it is a survival rifle.

So apparently, someone managed to insert a Mac 10 mag into a AK https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240854742685712385/1124358139823784056/mvdcjbspd5ua1.png

[main spade]

new tube! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982010785893081161/1124782410555461692/image.png

[severe moon]

https://imgur.com/a/ykNm488

This is a Beretta RX4 if you don't know.

[gloomy karma]

Shouldnt this chanel have the NSFW enabled as per discord ToS?

[dapper kite]

How are weapons not suitable for work? We're all Chair Operators here 😅

But yes, it's known, although that would mean the whole Discord server would be blocked since it's about a military focused game...

[fluid isle]

I don't know at what kinda workplace a picture of a rifle or a tank would be unsafe

[dapper hull]

Mannlicher 1888 and Mannlicher 1890

[gloomy karma]

ask discord i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep geyser]

time to read discord tos

also it's actually called community guidelines

no mention of firearm images anywhere

[main spade]

Don't go on the internet if your scared of losing your job. No need to protect people from themselves

[main spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exa6zn9ydgs pawgers LPO 94

[severe moon]

https://imgur.com/a/TtcjM39 Konstantinov SA-006 @floral ferry

[rapid jetty]

India had developed new PCB tank munition for its Arjun tank. And what PCB stands for is rather funny. Id post a link but i would get muted.

[deep geyser]

I thought that's old news

[sharp granite]

Sunny Lemonade got muted for it 😆
PCB stands for « Penetration-Cum-Blast », I say it so nobody has to 😄

[rapid jetty]

Yeah some two years old. But still the newest of that sort of penetrators, with added benifits

[keen lake]

Disappointing lack of attention to detail in The Flash (2023)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885703580521218100/1132569312507478076/image.png

[severe moon]

Yeah.

[deep geyser]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSTAM
top attack tank shell?

[fresh fulcrum]

There was a round for the M1A2 Abrams in development in the 1990s called XM943 STAFF that was top-attack. The Gunner's Auxiliary Sight right up until the SEPv3 had a ballistic graticule for the STAFF round, even though it never went in to service

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/533394900448968704/850479871507562505/gas.jpg

[crimson umbra]

never seen a uzi with a stock and the first one i see is literally a wooden stock on a uzi

[dapper hull]

This is original. 😄 But people know mainly para / tanker version.

[crimson umbra]

yeah

[crimson umbra]

bet you have M1891 (mosin nagant)

[solar sluice]

Kalashnikov for life

[devout wave]

The Rail gun the US navy are making.. who thinks it wont be that good. unless they strike a lucky hit and hit ammo storage

[ember idol]

pretty sure it is a 'canceled' project
and no lucky hits needed, the kinetic energy involved will directly convert to an explosion, and the intention was to make a guided round so they can fire over the horizon with it. No reason it won't be as good as any other guided munition, just horrifically expensive whenever someone figures out how to make both the railgun last, and the round components survive. for direct fire, should be a lot more accurate than a conventional dumb round just due to pure velocity

[deep geyser]

imagine what would happen if it fires a hollow point round

[ember idol]

also, to be more direct about it, when a railgun projectile hits something it isn't going to just go right through like a dart or something

its going to literally explode in a fireball, the metal of the round will ignite

at those speeds the collision will cause an explosion and I assume temperatures far in excess of conventional explosion

it will prob also spray whatever it is in a penetration effect too

I'm not really sure of the material physics of everything that happens there

but devastating should be accurate

so a solid round is going to be pretty effective

I heard the japanese were gung ho on railguns now, and they are potentially collaborating on continuing the research

the videos we have of railgun projectiles afaik are all of a round that is intentionally slowed down and therefore less destructive

not sure they are even being fired at the velocity intended for a military use

biggest downside I think is you can't use railguns on surface targets, from a surface vessel, at any decent range due to the horizon, without a guidance system that can survive being fired by the railgun. I assume that is why US Navy is iffy on it until that and price is solved.

[deep geyser]

develop a railgun that shoots a projectile with just enough speed to orbit the earth

[ember idol]

and idk about trying to maneuver a projectile at that velocity, can you even get it to turn downwards fast enough to hit over the horizon?

not even discussing how you get electronics to survive

[deep geyser]

encased in solid plastic

[ember idol]

idk enough about material physics, wouldn't the magnetic fields you are using to accelerate the projectile destroy the electronics?

and plastic seems a no, the projectile is going to get very very hot basically instantly

and then get even hotter as it flies

does the material compress from the acceleration?

for direct fire, navy pretty much got it working already, the guided projectile seems insane to me

[deep geyser]

according to google the orbital velocity at sea level is 7.9km/s so I doubt we would have any problems firing over the horizon

[ember idol]

the problem is hitting things below the horizon

[deep geyser]

uhh recon drone :clueless:

[ember idol]

and for the navy, the intended range of any engagement is below the horizon

so you need the projectile to turn downwards to hit anything

midflight

[deep geyser]

why would the projectile need to turn downwards

[ember idol]

so from the height of the gun over the ocean, how far do you think a target is visible in a direct line

[deep geyser]

as long as the velocity is lower than the orbital velocity it will not pass over the target

[ember idol]

the intended distance for a naval engagement is something like 100km+

it does shoot that fast

the goal velocity afaik is 7,200–12,600 km/h

now, fired within the atmosphere the projectile is going to generate lift isn't it?

[deep geyser]

idk about projectile lift when in flight

[ember idol]

if they slow it down to try and curve around then the damage they do will prob be somewhat limited

I am not sure what the physics are for the velocities they'd use for ballistic fire over the horizon, I saw a graphic for mach 5, but that is for a GPS guided round.

[ember idol]

though the graphic kind of make sit seem like they are firing it into space, then guiding it into target from there, so....terminal velocity from space?

so.....that I guess was their plan?

the tungsten rod thing had a paper that said it'd reach mach 10 for terminal velocity

so I guess that makes sense

[slate jewel]

Would anyone happen to have an opinion on ar ambi mag releases? CMMG vs Troy vs Strike etc

[rose tundra]

ambi mag release is ambi mag release

though i will say i had a mag ejected with troys style after slinging onto my kit

[slate jewel]

@rose tundra I was also thinking that the Troy one seems a bit too easy to actuate for being on the body side

[rose tundra]

yeah i binned mine after that

i think i use a cmmg style now

[livid yacht]

Nice uzi.

Whatever happened to those gas-stuff weapon tech, the other futuristic replacement for gunpowder firearms?

[rose tundra]

you mean the rapid expansion of gas to launch a projectile? sounds a lot like gunpowder firearms lmao

[livid yacht]

nah, the .. gas stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-gas_gun

that

[rose tundra]

i think you misunderstand what a gun means here

a gas gun gets powered by gunpowder

the only difference is the medium it is firing the projectile through is some light element instead of air

[livid yacht]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEDC_Range_G

"Range G is capable of launching projectiles up to speeds of 7 km/s (22,965 ft/s)." does not sound like gunpowder speed, though?

its literally a gun design to go faster than gunpowder speeds by using a different gas as medium for the final propulsion stage.

[rose tundra]

did you read what i said

its a scientific instrument not a weapon

well

its a scientific instrument not intended to be used as a weapon

[livid yacht]

Refering to this, since its specifically to go faster than gun-powder gas-expansion allows, to my understanding.

Also this ancient thing, which was one of the competing weapon systems with the navy railgun projects, to my understanding.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131208170621/http://utroninc.com/tech.html

it is not a light gas gun, just using the same principle

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA462130

[rose tundra]

yes, which is what i said

you are firing the projectile through a light element instead of air

air is too dense to accelerate up to those speeds with gunpowder

lil thing called air resistance

[wanton zephyr]

https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2023/11/11/0f18b9496e70e30d.mp4

Weapon ASMR is a thing

[haughty hound]

Assault Suppressed Midrange Rifle, ig ig

[livid yacht]

Hey, modern supressors on modern guns dont really do anything negative to the bullet, right?

[rose tundra]

no they do not

[glass jungle]

ya it really was the case only for early ones that used hard rubber wipes, they were somewhat more effective at dampening the sound but useless past a couple shots so eventually we switched to what's used nowadays with flow through designs and so on

[livid yacht]

nods nods Thanks

[livid yacht]

The way i understand is that a modern suppressor is made out of a lot of internal, divided spaces that soak up the firing gases and thus slow them down enough to be less audible, and the only real influence on a bullet is maybe acting as a small barrel length extension, if any influence at all, right?

[glass jungle]

As you just said, a suppressor gives space for the gas to expand, so logically said gas isn't restricted in the confined space of a barrel anymore and doesn't speed up the bullet in any noticeable way

[solar elk]

anyone got a g18 mod?

or any automatic pistol mod im trying to make one with lmg + smg or pdw whatever you call em so its a non stop stream of bullets until you gotta reload both

[haughty hound]

Do you mean in some Arma game? This is, as channel name suggests, an offtopic channel to discuss about IRL weapons. For in-game questions, #reforger_questions or #arma3_questions depends on the game you mean

[solar elk]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

thank you

[wanton zephyr]

M67
slightly modified

[timid orchid]

Lmao I'd that the dirty bomb variant on the m66

M67

[livid yacht]

How does modern SEAD stuff get countered?

I know that there are back-up FCS systems and radars, as well as networked redunancies for the targetting systems, but is it just "Have more range than SEAD-munition-capable flying platforms"?

[copper girder]

I don't know about real-life, but in my head canon, they will put CRAM near the SAM sites, to shoot down the missile. But yeah, if IRL those stray rounds will probably damage/kill some friendlies 😅

[tawny ferry]

this is how it's supposed to work

the reality is often that the CRAM is just not there and the SAM itself is overwhelmed

[copper girder]

Wow, didn't know that...

[tawny ferry]

In the event there is a CRAM, you would either have very good intelligence and signal gathering and wait for it to be "not working" (operators shift change, restroom break, eating break...) and then hit the CRAM & SAM.

If you don't have high quality intel then you have to flood it outright

sometimes you don't need to flood it directly

you could have a loitering munition to annoy the SAM as the SAM knows it and other SEAD munitions are nearby, and when the SAM turns on radar, the loitering munitions home in.

you don't need the SAM to be destroyed to win that engagement.

you just need the SAM to not do it's job

the only reason the SAM is there to begin with is to deny enemy air support

without it's radar, it usuaully can't do that effectively

if it can't turn on it's radar because it will be targeted, the radar stays off.

and the SAM doesn't protect against enemy air assets

but enemy air assets would usually prioritize targetting the SAM as it is the greatest threat to them and air superiority for their side

often, the only threat deemed higher than SAMs is aircraft, especially highly capable interceptors/fighters

[livid yacht]

Thanks.

[rose tundra]

gaston glock has died

[wide garnet]

At least they won't make new shit

Glocks is sucks infact

[wide garnet]

Yeah, waste 999999999 bullets for this 😁

This is possible, but this is SO hard

[tawny ferry]

Someone has not heard of proxy

It’s not that hard

[wide garnet]

Then why even SAM sometimes can't eliminate rocket?...

[tawny ferry]

Bad SAM

[wide garnet]

S-300 and S-400 isn't bad?..

[tawny ferry]

They’re better than your English grammar skills

[wide garnet]

LOL

Stop whining pleaze

That's annoying

I thought tomahawk is big, but seems like that's not lol

[tawny ferry]

The missile itself could be bad, there might not be enough missiles, the radar may fail to lock and track targets and assign to launchers

[wide garnet]

Even fighter can capture rocket

[tawny ferry]

Tomahawk is massive

But if you fire 60 tomahawks at whatever, they’re going to get through

[wide garnet]

Oh.. I had remember how good have shot down rockets patriot 😁 😁 😁

[tawny ferry]

I’m just not going to talk with you in English because I can’t understand what you’re saying

[wide garnet]

ok

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anuGYDAhyNI

☝️ The BR55 Battle Rifle

[proven kelp]

Buying a Colt 6933

[copper girder]

I have a weird question to gun enthusiasts out here, can bullet use high explosive as its propellant? It would reduce ammo weight no?

[rose tundra]

iirc theres something about hte rate at which gunpowder ignites that makes it ideal for bullets over anything else

[ember idol]

I assume if it expands too fast, pressures get too high and ur chamber explodes in ur face, if it goes too slow the bullet doesn't pick up enough velocity, so there is a perfect medium for the materials involved and barrel length.

and then it prob just comes down to mass production, whats available and cheap

[wanton zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILJ5fZBSpc

[swift bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-gZuFcEu0E I guess this can go here, YT won't be the same ever again

[gray pelican]

I saw this earlier, RIP Paul. His content was top notch and the world lost a genuinely good man

[split peak]

Yes, but very few guns would survive usage with it due to the excessive barrel pressure
iirc some caseless guns used a modified high explosive
and the high-low system used in grenade launchers uses high explosive

Even smokeless powders vary greatly in the barrel pressure produced, though most have around the same energy density

[gusty swallow]

https://youtu.be/HljpWBkQbgU

☝️ What U.S Troops Really Think of Their New XM-7 Rifle

[ember idol]

afaik biggest 2 issues are weight, and balance

extremely unbalanced and forward heavy

something like 14lbs fully setup with attachments

there are other issues, but from what I've seen those are the biggest sticking points

[rose tundra]

MCX platform weapons are incredibly forward heavy

LVAW especially suffers from the problem

[sly phoenix]

I would love to own a range later in life

[thorny girder]

Dumb question but I can't find an answer online: does the M-ATV have air brakes or hydraulic

[fresh fulcrum]

air brakes

[copper girder]

Not about weapons, but why helmet nowadays looked like skater helmet? We went from stahlhelm like helmet, to pickelhaube like helmet (without the spike).

[fresh fulcrum]

Combination of the desire to reduce weight of helmets, and allowing better compatibility with different ear-protection/comms headsets

[glass jungle]

The opscore fast design is indeed getting widespread but the standard (although not quite stahlhelm-esque) design is still present, such as the US IHPS, french F3, Bundeswehr MICH Style, British Mk7, Russian 6b47, so on so forth.

Most designs are still not as streamlined as a "high cut" or skater design as you said, although they do tend shed some weight to free up space for communication equipment, and keep vision and hearing unaltered

[copper girder]

If ones don't have ear protectors or comms, doesn't the exposed ear kinda well, exposed? I know helmets aren't really supposed to stops bullets but arty shrapnels, but still...

[glass jungle]

It's a tradeoff between protection and situationnal awareness/vocal communication

[fresh fulcrum]

Yes https://militaryhealth.bmj.com/content/jramc/168/5/395/F4.large.jpg

But as said, it's a trade off for better situational awareness and some other mobility factors - wider, lower brims get in the way

It's probably quite interesting to look how helmets are evaluated in the current conflict in Ukraine where there's a lot of artillery use which would tend towards wanting better coverage to avoid shrapnel, but also the threat of drones where you want to be able to hear well and look up and maintain far more vertical awareness

[copper girder]

Yeah forgot about the drones... old skool PASGT like helmet does kinda limit the vertical view aspect.

[rose tundra]

Because Cool Guys that opscore and so on market products for were wearing skate helmets for a hot minute during the gulf wars lol

[verbal bison]

What if like

Just ditch the helmet

And rock a cool beanie 🗣️🗣️

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxrPk2N-WY4

☝️ French Military Update project Scorpion

[valid smelt]

Rock a boonie cap

[verbal bison]

Erm

Yeah.. sure bud

[potent loom]

Only if you need to go to the gym more…

[rose tundra]

Ok bro

[glass jungle]

Can a man workout enough to wield a shoulder fired M2 ?
Maybe
Would it be a great assault rifle ? (keeping out of the question the intermediate caliber it should have)
Nah

[copper girder]

The M2 as in the M2 Browning 50 cal machine gun?

[glass jungle]

Yes without context I thought it would be needless to specificy further

[copper girder]

Well, you said 'shoulder fired'. So I thought of something like a LAW or stinger or RPG. But then you said 'assault rifle' so that me a little confuse, so yeah. Now I know what you mean, I guess its something like a barret anti-material rifle. And yeah, even if I work out enough to lug that thing like an M16, I would not do it voluntarily...

[dapper hull]

czechoslovak colection

[remote sinew]

do they all fire if you remove the safety?

[tall plume]

Btw this question is a bit out there but does anyone know good places to get AK parts in germany/europe? looking to mod my airsoft AK a bit this year
(pls dont come visit me police its just airsoft luv u bye)

[glass jungle]

I do believe armamat is just what you're looking for

[tall plume]

Ooh neat thank you

I forgot how expensive gun stuff was in real life 😅

One benefit of the world of tarkov, you just gotta go into one building and practically find a full AK in parts for free

[glass jungle]

Yea I'm doing fine IRL where people aren't frying my brain for afar

[remote sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190282080773488701/1329017071610363916/Zie8h--fJ9g.png?ex=6788cf19&is=67877d99&hm=011c7e6f1fa94675ecc18d7aafac43f5731ee2b61f772d04e45a5f6ac33282c5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
for when you need not alert fishb

[craggy blade]

It always amuses me that space weapons are 30x less wacky than underwater ones

[copper girder]

Never would have thought to see a Steyr AK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwhOvBaVG5w

[valid crescent]

Jesus.

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bp_-JlmFEg

[mortal schooner]

"First ever American infantry equipped with... unarmored vehicles"

[gusty swallow]

I think he meant "equipped ONLY with unarmored vehicles"

[mortal schooner]

Either that or he was just listing the key points and added on the first ever part. Either way I just thought it was funny.

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baCTj2gMb_U

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjQaKhQVxXE

[inland beacon]

Someone made a tour of some BI offices on Youtube and these could be seen in the designer office. What are these three?

[glass jungle]

I'd wager it's probably 125mm soviet tank ammunition

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/941277964803395594/1393579750760644608/v2-88d5b91265bc582196ecd197726f0aed_b.png?ex=6873afc8&is=68725e48&hm=1dff43b655ec6d790617cd821422d13120f30b2c7583fdd3b419a736184a4418&

[tribal rampart]

Missiles

[keen lake]

Interestingly, although the 5.45mm 7N10 lacks the large "air pocket" of 7N6, this doesn't move the centre of gravity back much at all, because it also lacks that heavy lead plug. So the tumbling effect should be somewhat similar.

[fallow carbon]

are recoilless rifles technically bullpup

[glass jungle]

Dude tossed a nade in the pond

[copper girder]

As a soldier, are u going to trust to a remote pilot? or an AI one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj7tjvTPwWI

[mossy plume]

https://www.youtube.com/@InertOrdnance/shorts

[stoic juniper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/a_DI4Nf6RR0?si=Bk-mJAWEcMAbzFXH

[gusty swallow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALaw28CUEo

☝️ Real life smart gun!?? WTH

[swift bay]

From the shittytechnicals subreddit

[swift bay]

https://fixupx.com/Q41016534/status/2034201479930884512

Q (@Q41016534)

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[tropic ridge]

CZ 😍

[craggy ridge]

Id love to show some of mine, but no image perms...

Just got an Uberti model 1873 Cattleman today

[haughty hound]

Vetify via #offtopic_bot_cmds and #rules reaction for the perm

[craggy ridge]

Thank you

[gray pelican]

Nice, have you shot it yet?

[craggy ridge]

Only 11 rounds

[craggy ridge]

The Ringsight came for the P90

[dry crag]

Man that P90 looks cursed

[craggy ridge]

Im working on it. Side rails are coming and im waiting on my permission slip to SBR it

[fallow carbon]

if you had a side-loading dinnerplate magazine machine gun, would it move along the ground as it fires?

or i guess you could just hold a lewis gun sideways, still works

[craggy ridge]

Got side rails

[elder dust]

He's done it

The absolute madman

[cloud geode]

🔫

[fluid isle]

He has a gun!!!

shoots @cloud geode

I'll take this chance to advertise my
M2010 ESR with M8541A and Mk248mod1 ammo

[cloud geode]

camn down satan, I'm white - I'm allowed to have a gun 🇺🇸

[keen island]

Pewwwww

[frank narwhal]

yay

[fluid isle]

Can we post actual gunporn here too? like in the screenshot channel

[frank narwhal]

It's about weapons

[fluid isle]

Yeah

gunporn is about weapons

[frank narwhal]

first love
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/0a1a1a1a43mg/0a1a1a1a43mg-037268.jpg

[fluid isle]

Wow. Google search for M2010 ESR.. 4th Row has a arma picture

[elder dust]

If it's not 4K it doesn't go in here

😤

[fluid isle]

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/elbiutc_4.jpg Gun porn

That's only 1080p :/ sorry

OMFG look at that http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/remXM2010_11.jpg Awwww drool

[fluid isle]

is that a shotgun or a pistol?

[cloud geode]

Flintlock

[fresh fulcrum]

just in time for Shot Show too

[karmic canyon]

flintlock battleaxe ftw 😄

[vagrant hull]

The WW II Dart Gun https://gyazo.com/25934be28ce96c69d8cccbbc3a24fb59

[frank narwhal]

oh god

[olive plaza]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/New_Jersey_Shoots.jpg

[somber sapphire]

@fluid isle I believe that is actually my M2010 mod

[cold oar]

This

is just

Amazing

[merry pendant]

since when guns are offtopic in arma?

[fluid isle]

what?

"Since when are guns offtopic in Arma" That?

[merry pendant]

yes 😛

[fluid isle]

Same as with military materials

Its about RL guns. not arma

[merry pendant]

oh okay

[eternal finch]

well it could be also about airsoft guns etc. @fluid isle 😃

[fluid isle]

Potato guns too?

[eternal finch]

prettysure that #offtopic_fake_weapons would be overkil 😉

[karmic canyon]

i wouln't say a potato gun is a fake gun... still hurts like a bitch 😄

[merry bear]

i've seen potato guns with lethal capabilities

[fluid isle]

grenato guns

incendiary potato guns

[karmic canyon]

😄

[fluid isle]

https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/can-cannon-4.jpg

[karmic canyon]

for the right amount of kartoffelbreinapalm 😄

[merry bear]

not enough rails

[fluid isle]

You mean a potato rail gun?

[merry bear]

be like arma, put a picatinny rail on a mini spike huehuehue

[fluid isle]

https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/header.jpg That one?

[merry bear]

... wow

[fluid isle]

The Internet man. The Internet.

[merry bear]

not sure if i should be impressed or terrified

it's on the same level as people making their own homemade engraving lasers

[winter chasm]

Potato guns too?
at least you can use those / get them easily in most of Europe 😛

[elder dust]

Is this where we post photos of Kllrt's softair mod?

[merry pendant]

airsoft and paintball are boring

or even nerf guns 😛

give me real guns

[ancient quartz]

Airsoft is fun as hell

[cloud geode]

nerf guns are even more fun, as you can actually "fire" them without looking like a cretin

[winter chasm]

@merry pendant give me a lot of money and I'll buy a real gun and open a range here, I just need A LOT of money and time

how do nerf guns make you look less of a cretin than airsoft!?

airsoft actually has proper 1:1 replicas

[olive plaza]

This is my rifle, this is my gun. One is for killing, one is for fun. 😆

[winter chasm]

👌🏻

[vagrant hull]

Slightly modified scooter https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Vespa_militare2.JPG

[karmic canyon]

seeing this scooter, this comes to my mind
https://i.imgflip.com/236iec.jpg

[cloud geode]

@winter chasm with airsoft you can either be irresponsible or use it only once a week/month/year during a game. now nerf is made to be fired at home

[winter chasm]

Agreed, but what does that have to do with looking stupid while doing it?

[ember idol]

mmm, i enjoyed paintball

hitting and getting hit felt solid

enough you didnt want to get hit

[keen wyvern]

@ember idol, YES! Loved some good woodsball with a large crew.

[flat anvil]

woodsball is good shit

[vagrant hull]

Zombie extension https://gyazo.com/1d1addac12312991c569e1c752cb2740

[merry pendant]

this channel was worth it 😬

[cloud geode]

/thread

[vagrant hull]

^ looks like akms butstock 😄

[main spade]

^^new swiss army knife shocks america

[cold oar]

swiss army engineer iq released, shocks america

[vagrant hull]

Any "knives addicted guys" here ? CRKT vs ZT ? Who wins ?

[karmic canyon]

my weapon of choise: common sense

[vagrant hull]

^ That works 👍

[rough star]

@karmic canyon for most people that weapon needs to be unlocked by the beeing over 30 years old dlc ...

[karmic canyon]

End the early alpha access program “education“ 😉

[rough star]

😉

[lean gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwmEhf5ejyk scar vs ak

[merry bear]

I was wondering if he was insane until I notice the purple bits in his ears 😄

he also switches to yellow earplugs at some point 😄

[lean gust]

its your homie mate, AK isnt really AK its M70 :p

or the best AK 😄

love the scar though, but why so damn expensive?

anyways since this has happened http://www.dw.com/en/heckler-koch-quietly-becomes-worlds-most-ethical-gun-maker/a-40316221

our govt is looking to buy some Scar's, not a bad idea but an expensive one it is

[ember idol]

wow yea i didn't hear about that at all for koch

if they stick to that and it has the effect intended, than that would be pretty kewl

[lean gust]

also @merry bear I served the military and we never had used earplugs, and quite often excercizes included more than just one gun/mg or sometimes even MBT/arty and I didnt go deaf, but its not a bad thing to do if you can

the only piece of weapon that comes with earplugs is RBR ( rocket launcher ) and again nobody used those

too hardcore 😄

I can say that MBT is loud as fu*k, being only close to it when engine runs and you cant hear your thoughts at all

[merry pendant]

Scar's are overrated , as they are only decent in . 308

because they are lighter than usual .308 rifles

which can be good thing but also a bad thing too

you know why HK wont sell to non-nato or any anti eu ?

because german gov said so 😛

[merry bear]

you don't go magically deaf at once, your hearing ability just decreases... slowly but surely

[lean gust]

well, 13 yrs after Im still no deaf, but you got a point
my work environment is probably now louder than any battlefield, there are feckload of machines with multiples motors and spining parts going on insane rpm, and I do use ear protection, otherwise I'd go deaf for sure plus noise influences health in many bad ways, so it can cause fatique among other things

[merry bear]

I got tinnitus since birth, I thought that was the sound of silence, protect your ears

[fluid isle]

Oh.. I got tinnitus too then 😄

[lean gust]

oh, now I feel bad, sorry, but thanks for that, sometimes when Im tired I can hear that buzz too, maybe a time to consult with doc

[fluid isle]

Yeah same. Not just "sometimes" though

[lean gust]

didnt know it was chronical or that it could be

[merry bear]

if you're lucky it's early enough and you can fix it

[fluid isle]

Getting non #offtopic_weapons here. Although.. Our ears are our weapons !

[merry bear]

otherwise it's a liftetime sentence

it's related I would say 😄

[fluid isle]

@drifting yacht you gotta be careful that your bolt animation is not a millisecond too fast! otherwise it's unrealistic! ref: #creators_recruiting

[drifting yacht]

i have yet to make a bolt weapon for arma, have one wip though 😉

[merry bear]

you mean the MMG animations aren't realistic? soldiers don't break their wrists to carry it around ?

[drifting yacht]

will give the boring/bored guy a call when i get to it

ahh shit @merry bear true that

[merry bear]

also, I heard optics don't magically resize themselves to fit the size of the rail they're on IRL, such a shame 😛

[drifting yacht]

or have black borders...

[merry bear]

depends, maybe our arma soldiers are all suffering from an eye / brain issue

[fluid isle]

you are forced to have the scope exactly in the middle of the screen right?

Sounds like a nice idea to have it offset to the right

[merry bear]

yes

[elder dust]

I’d break my own wrist before carrying around a MMG

[elder dust]

No because he is probably under a NDA? @amber marlin

🤔

[earnest zephyr]

He is the nda

[fluid isle]

And why is that #offtopic_weapons ? That sounds more like on-topic #general_chat_arma

And you can just make the screenshots yourself. It's already on #dev_rc_branch isn't it?

[obtuse sonnet]

A channel for guns? 😲

[cold oar]

yessir

[obtuse sonnet]

I'm honestly so sick of the "American" firearm mentality and fetish for ARs. It'd be nice to talk to other people who aren't crazy about ARs. I have a cousin who has a Saiga 410 shotgun that didn't know he essentially had an AK. lol

[vagrant hull]

First versions was based on АК-47/АКМ in 70s

[ember idol]

i fetish WW2 era weapons and wooden stocks

also, combo guns are kewl

there is a company that will make you a 3 barrel combo gun

ive thought about grabbing one of those

http://www.blaser-usa.com/index.php?id=54&L=1

[vagrant hull]

^ that more like art then weapon tbh... imagine drop it in mud or just scratch it 😄

[ember idol]

guns are made to be used!

they look better with a bit of wear

[merry pendant]

if you really like old school hunting rifles , i find them boring heh

[obtuse sonnet]

anybody have any recommendations of a combloc scope for a bulgy slr 107?

[lean gust]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/il_570xN.548039242_jqnp-495x660.jpg njet

[vagrant hull]

njet net! 😄

[merry bear]

RIFLE IS FINE

WHY YOU PUT RAILS ON IT

[vagrant hull]

Tactical flashlight, alpha version https://gyazo.com/558719fd93184f507bf108a9b4bf76f1

[merry pendant]

you know side mounted comblock sight is stilll "classic" and nothing is wrong to modernize AK properly if you need it

probably you might try getting Kobra sight

[merry bear]

I was referring to this:
https://i.imgur.com/xUy1a.png

[merry pendant]

yes i know the meme 😛

[vagrant hull]

btw i can translate for you guys couple feedbacks about cobras (ekp) 😄

[ember idol]

ive thought about putting scope on mosin nagant carbine

but i bet it makes it look fugly

[merry pendant]

depends on scope

if you get a PU scope it would look fine

[lean gust]

njet sounds perfectly fine where I come from, its translit, I know RU is нет</offtopic>

scope on AK... 🤔

blasphemy, but if I would ever do it, Id put Mars forward mounted, yet expencive and not necessary

[merry pendant]

theres a reason why the side mounted rail exists 😛

[lean gust]

yeah and its used by some units but not all in the military

ie. border guard had them around here the rest had not, now I wont compare that for civilian use

[merry pendant]

not at all by military? you must be joking lol

[lean gust]

no I actually served with one in my hands and no optics

[merry pendant]

since the afghan soviets used that for various scopes

[lean gust]

bah cant upload image

[merry pendant]

upload it elsewhere and link it

[lean gust]

https://i.imgur.com/BkXktkl.jpg

thats one with mars

[merry pendant]

well ... - thats one ugly ass rail and handguard xD

[lean gust]

aye not standard, SO adjust to their own

with what they got

[merry pendant]

is that zastava?

[lean gust]

but one can get dovetail with nato rail kind of like NPZ one and mount M68

[merry pendant]

AK with galil stock

[lean gust]

yeah m70

I think it M21 stock from zastava

[merry pendant]

oh yes , now i noticed the GL sight

i am so blind

[lean gust]

virtually a copy of galil (M21)

[merry pendant]

that m70 stock looks like a old galil stock

like the exact

[lean gust]

might be, m21 stock is a bit different

[merry pendant]

from what i can remember the newer m21 has it different style

also the m70 doesnt have the side mount?

[lean gust]

there are few version

m70b1 ( wooden stock - fixed, RG sights)
m70ab2 ( metal underfold, RG sights )
m70b3 and m70ab3, these are the same as above but they dont have RG sights and have option for mounting GP25 copy made by zastava under licence

now there are version with N in the name, those have side rail mount

[merry pendant]

imho the side mount rail is alot better than having optic on upper handguard

[lean gust]

having optic on there for cqb is bad

plus the weight it adds

[merry pendant]

that depends on scope , nowdays you get alot better options

[lean gust]

true, but I wouldnt bother with cco/holo under 2x on there, it would just get in the way

[merry pendant]

micro red dot is ideal on side mount that is low profile and its lightweight

[obtuse sonnet]

combloc scope for the side rail. I don't do the whole tacti-cool AK thing.

[merry pendant]

well for red dot - Kobra or the PK-A , if you want something with magnification then PSO or 1p29

[vagrant hull]

Is it for in the game or IRL? if the second, remove the cobra (ekp) and tulip (usp1/1p29) from this list... for better experience 😄

[obtuse sonnet]

irl

[vagrant hull]

Check dm, hope that link available for you

[vagrant hull]

AK12/15 platform short review (from Army-2017 exhibition) https://youtu.be/MKtpj9uBCJI

[merry pendant]

nice

only shame that it doesnt have ambi controls and no bolt hold open in new mags

which original ak-12 had

[vagrant hull]

so true

[main spade]

Do all balkans countries still use the russian bullet calibres?

What countries use the same aussalt rifle calibre as russia?

[olive plaza]

Since you weren't specific, I'll only mention the AK-74..

 Armenia
 Azerbaijan
 Belarus
 Bulgaria
 Cyprus
 Georgia
 Abkhazia

 Kazakhstan
 Kyrgyzstan
 Moldova
 Mongolia
 North Korea
 Poland
 Romania
 Russia
 Syria
 Tajikistan
 Turkmenistan
 Ukraine
 Uzbekistan
 Vietnam```

.... according to Wikipedia

[merry pendant]

yes they do

[fresh fulcrum]

not all of the Balkan states

Croatia have fully switched to NATO calibres now IIRC

[merry pendant]

lets say 85% of balkan states still use russian calibers

[fresh fulcrum]

Albania and Bulgaria are the only ones that are still fully 7.62x39 I think

oh and FYROM it seems

[main spade]

7x62 is nato

Russians use a 7x92 I think

Idk

[vagrant hull]

🙄

[tranquil panther]

Idk
AK-74 is 5.45x39 and AKM is 7.62x39

[fresh fulcrum]

yep, the NATO 7.62 round is 7.62x51 instead of x39

There is also the Russian 7.62x54R rimmed cartridge used in machine guns and SVD

[vagrant hull]

7.62 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_mm_caliber

[merry pendant]

lol

7.62 isnt just nato , there is alot of calibers including russian ones

7.92 were used by the germans in WW2 in machine guns or in mauser rifle

[karmic canyon]

no matter the caliber, the result is the same: it hurts

[merry pendant]

yup 😛

[karmic canyon]

😉

[lean gust]

most balkan countries uses 7,62x39 Russia is not using it fully long time, they use 5,45x39

however its not the only caliber used, nato 5,56x45 is used aswell and arms manufacturers from balkan make guns in this caliber

8mm mauser is used in few marksman rifles, such as zastava M76 ( do not confuse with dragunov )

croatia, slovenia, albania and now montenegro now being nato are mandatory switching calibers, however they still have stocks of the M70 rifles and ammo - that being in 7,62x39

Balkan is also Bulgaria, Romania, Greece ( no islands ) , Turkey ( european part )

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/50/89850-004-C88E1B75.gif

sometimes its confusing, as there is a lot of political maps and controversy over it

Im not aware of what Romania, Bulgaria and Greece use for calibers, but since they are in nato I guess not 7,62x39 much

[fresh fulcrum]

Romania still use an AK variant PM md 63; so 7.62x39. Greeks mostly use HK G3s; so 7.62x51 and their SF have M4s. Bulgaria uses Arsenal AKs. They do have a 5.56mm AK, but I don't know that it's widely used compared to the 7.62x39 types they have

[vagrant hull]

Why 7.62x39 is rarely used in Russian army or spn units atm...
The weight of the cartridge (~16-17 grams, versus ~11 grams of the cartridge 5.45x39 or 5.56x45) significantly reduces the mobility and just amount of carried ammunition.
Recoil, because of this the 7.62 weapons platforms fire rate is usually low (~600 rpm), difficult to control the weapon, when firing even in short bursts.
According to modern standards, mediocre accuracy.
Efficiency against live targets: the bullet almost does not lose stability in human body, while punching through it, which means there is no need for its surgical extraction. The wound is relatively quickly tightened, sometimes even if vital organs were injured. In this case, the effectiveness against lightly armored vehicles is also questionable due to the insufficient kinetic energy of the bullet.
Troubles in cqb situations with ricochets. And so on...

[lean gust]

thats why most balkan countries solve the problem partially with having SO teams armed with something else than regular army uses

economies of Balkan countries arent quite flourishing so armies in light of that have no resources to do what they need to, or they do but its painfully slow, hence why 7,62x39 is still widespread

it still has good stopping power and penetration

I doubt you would care if youre shot with either of the calibers, you are out of the combat anyways

[opaque folio]

random tidbit - 91 tons of dangerous leftovers from WW2 have been found and disposed of in 2017 in Germany. 2016 it was 173 tons

[acoustic summit]

progress?

thats a lot a bad stuff either way.

[olive plaza]

they threw a party afterwards, heard it was 'da BOMB!

[opaque folio]

every find is progress, but it could easily go up again - i think most stuff is found during construction work, so in years of high construction activity it propably rises... wouldnt want to be an excavator operator in one of the big industrial cities...

[olive plaza]

They still find ww1 explosives in france

[merry bear]

it's impossible to understand the volume of fire that was put near verdun

there's a whole area that is banned from the public (tourists still have fun near it) because the terrain is just so fucked and full of unexploded ordinances

but then again tourist paths are mostly cleared and checked regularly, haven't heard of any recent incident

[opaque folio]

those areas are crazy as well, yeah. But they are more rural areas so the need for construction (and therefore unearthing works) is reduced in comparison to the bombed cities and industrial centres in ww2

[ember idol]

be like some straight up joe dirt stuff

come across a 500lb camping out in the yard

[olive plaza]

that would be a turd bomb

[vagrant hull]

😄

[stray scroll]

poke it with a stick, if it doesn't do anything, throw rock at it's little nose

[obtuse sonnet]

Remington is filing bankruptcy. Maybe instead of living it up on easy street during Obama's salesman of the 2009 - 2017 period they should have hired an over paid bean counter that would tell me this would happen.

[fresh fulcrum]

Weren't bean counters part of the problem? Their reputation for quality seems to have dropped through the floor since they were bought out by that holding company and apparently told to drive down costs

the writing was on the wall with the Mk21 PSR I guess

[obtuse sonnet]

I suppose. I've been seeing quite a few comments about how the quality in their firearms have went down hill.

I don't understand adding all that tacti-cool junk on a sniper rifle like the Mk21 would help it out much

[faint mango]

it's been that way since freedom group bought them out in 07

when your guns arrive at the store already rusting

[obtuse sonnet]

ugh...thanks for reminding me. I have a firearm that cost over $1000 with a canted front sight and now I'm trying to get the company to warranty it...or at least fix it with a steep discount.

😬

[fresh fulcrum]

Who made it?

[obtuse sonnet]

Arsenal

[fresh fulcrum]

oh yeah, I remember you saying you got one and were looking for an appropriate optic for it now

[eternal finch]

hmm http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18250/us-special-operators-will-test-sig-sauers-new-mini-assault-rifle-in-combat

[fresh fulcrum]

aren't the FSPs on AKs easy to adjust though? Just need to punch the pins, tap with a rubber mallet to correct the cant and put the pins back in

[obtuse sonnet]

The pin holes might have to be re-drilled I guess. But for a Arsenal though? Come on. Maybe if it was a beater WASR, but not on an Arsenal.

[vagrant hull]

need tool for front side on ak... you can do it with something "heavy"... but will be troubles with moving post for windage adjustment, da12thMonkey

tool will save you time 😀

[obtuse sonnet]

Are you talking about drifting the front sight post or the whole front sight?

[fresh fulcrum]

tool is for the windage and elevation IIRC

the cant problem is if it's not mounted on the barrel vertically

[vagrant hull]

@obtuse sonnet https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/368/368914.jpg

[obtuse sonnet]

No, it's the whole canted front sight issue

I can zero the windage with the post all of the way to the left, but for a rifle that cost that much money it's unacceptable.

Maybe if it was a $500 WASR I would just say "I get what I pay for", but not for an Arsenal

[vagrant hull]

Gun shop then 😀

[obtuse sonnet]

well hopefully Arsenal will fix it, we'll see

[merry pendant]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/02/13/customized-ak-105-1p87-sight-60-round-magazine-rmb-93-shotgun/

"Customized AK-105 with 1P87 sight, 60-round magazine and RMB-93 shotgun"

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/02/13/engineering-new-kalashnikov-ak12-ak15/

"The background of the new Kalashnikov AK-12/AK-15 and how they are Engineered"

[merry pendant]

@main spade why you asking?

well that depends on the role tho

there isnt one and only best one

[merry pendant]

you want to know Galil variants?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Galil#Variants

[obtuse sonnet]

The Galil is based on the AK, so I would imagine the Galils are relatively reliable.

[karmic canyon]

i've seen the ARM 223 in action and was impressed

[elder dust]

If you say so bud.

[obtuse sonnet]

How is it better?

[fresh fulcrum]

bottle opener

[vagrant hull]

Just trust him 😄

[fresh fulcrum]

but really, things like having a thumb selector switch are an improvement

IIRC some Arsenal AKs replicated that feature too

[obtuse sonnet]

The Arsenal thumb safety is horrible lol It's reversed from what is common with thumb safeties.

It doesn't take much to become proficient with the normal AK safety anyways.

[merry pendant]

galil is a valmet copy , which IS the best AK 😛

[obtuse sonnet]

There should be a youtube video floating around of some Russian soldier showing how easy the normal AK safety is to manipulate

[merry pendant]

well it is not hard but thumb selector is faster

with regular AK selector you have use your firing hand which breaks your grip

[vagrant hull]

its hurts also 😀

[obtuse sonnet]

I would have to respectfully disagree, though this sounds like an issue that would need to be settled by a race on the range.

[vagrant hull]

well... faster will be that who spend more time with it

all about practice

[obtuse sonnet]

Well yea, training makes the difference. From my personal experience 😃 there's not much difference since manipulating the safety, whether a thumb type or a lever type, takes as much time as raising the weapon.

I guess for what it's worth being military I've practice a lot with both. I guess it's just preference.

[vagrant hull]

"SKS review by Jerry Miculek" https://youtu.be/1c7ZTcNTC5s

[faint mango]

what are you doing jerry

that's not how you load an sks

[vagrant hull]

yep... actually i think he only one, who did it right, on video, also the same way applies to mosin 😀

[lean gust]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/138/001/large/reno-levi-mega-01-50.jpg?1405848860 some nice art

weapon ofc

[drifting yacht]

i would assume the fact that 10rounds mags are standard is due to weight and the fact that is easier to use it without bipod the shorter the mag is

[merry pendant]

well if the 20 round mags were polymer and bipod being in front you got plenty of room

even with original svd bipod that is near magazine would make no problem with 20 rounder neither

http://popgun.ru/files/g/51/orig/2587330.jpg

[drifting yacht]

hmm, then i dunno

[merry pendant]

i think they kept those 10 rounders as they got those shitton of them heh

that would explain why they are still using steel mags

[vagrant hull]

For military use 10 rounds mags exists only for 1 reason - low weapon profile (svd,vss), for civil market we have this:
... not allowed:
long-barreled guns with a magazine capacity (drum) of more than 10 rounds, excluding sports weapons... that is from federal law

[merry pendant]

well that 20 rounder doesnt limit you moving in prone unless you want to shoot upwards or shoot an airplane 😄

also that magazine doesnt stick out that much

http://www.dragunov.net/owners/svd20roundandrewk.jpg

http://www.dragunov.net/owners/svd20rdandrewk.jpg

[vagrant hull]

yeah...but funny fact that even 10 rounds mags for vss was cutted off by half, to make it even shorter (spn vdv practice) 😀

[merry pendant]

hmm weird

they probably need bipods then 😛

[vagrant hull]

😄

noobs man /s

[opaque folio]

US paper on how to secure nuclear second-strike capability 1980 http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a956443.pdf

[vagrant hull]

"HK MP5K Operational Briefcase" https://youtu.be/92tj3dT5Uhs

[keen wolf]

concealed automatic weapon ... yeah, that won't be used for anything legal

[ember idol]

i use it to hunt rabbits, damned tricksy rabbits

[merry pendant]

@keen wolf old idea for body guards or some agents

[wanton zephyr]

"good"

not a word I would want to use

[verbal iron]

Anyone have any experience shooting this? I'd like some opinions on it.

http://www.stdgun.com/dp-12-double-barrel-pump-shotgun/

[buoyant plover]

Some tacticool AR stock anyone?

https://cdn.skoften.net/images/66874/daily_picdump_2775_09__800.jpg

[merry pendant]

Mall Ninja stock

[lavish cave]

From this ( https://4.bp.blogspot.com/--uEWrsdoajk/WpEC8kKYprI/AAAAAAAAg7w/XFYWpTK1V3wLPOmGpNpiPh2KhvnhFa-LQCLcBGAs/s1600/TYpe79_3.jpg )
to this ( https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qRQTAq5mq2A/WpECqBKoQmI/AAAAAAAAg7U/JrNFAH7PqJcoUHJTfeKjM3gTNwaIoDykQCLcBGAs/s1600/2G0FIks.jpg )
courtesy of China Defense Blog ( http://china-defense.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/photos-of-day-crazy-type79-tactical-mod.html ); TFB also has an older 'forend-only rails' setup ( http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/03/02/chinese-swat-modded-type-79-submachine-guns/ )

[merry pendant]

^^thats pretty cool , when it works - why not

its like a mini AK that shoots 7.62x25 tokarev round

[lavish cave]

@merry pendant ^^thats pretty cool , when it works - why not Seems like the same attitude that got the ol' Type 59 MBT turned into a heavy IFV by Norinco (at least, this was shown off at their armor day last year)

[obtuse sonnet]

I like the tacticool white socks.

[sinful wyvern]

Went hunting with "Fuck your shit" rounds, long story short I fucked up and started a fire.

FYI. It was a mix of 93 octane with rubbing alcohol and Styrofoam in 12 Ga shells.

[merry pendant]

lol what

[silk mantle]

anyone seen this website before > https://www.bigdaddyunlimited.com/

apparently its $10 a month subscription and you get guns for same price as manufacturer sells

[lean gust]

93 octane with rubbing alcohol and Styrofoam in 12 Ga
the what? You filled cartridges with that? When you mix that you get plastic mass which is flammable, more then Styrofoam is because of fuel added, not sure what you wanted to achieve but youre doing it wrong

incendiary rounds? 😄

can shoot a geese and have it come down baked and ready to be eaten if you dont mind the insides

[sinful wyvern]

That is exactly it. Lol

[elder dust]

You made homemade napalm, congratulations. Straight out of the Anarchist's Cookbook @Gruppenführer Wendigo#7906

[obtuse sonnet]

@sinful wyvern You might want to check your state's laws on manufacturing tracer/incendiary rounds and especially using them for hunting. I also wouldn't go around telling people that to be honest.

[olive plaza]

I considered mentioning that as well.

[stoic cairn]

The ATF likes this

[idle shadow]

Most states it's only an issue if he's making them to sell.

[merry pendant]

ATF likes Full Semi autos more tho 😛

[obtuse sonnet]

Shhh! The ATF will hear you 😬

[opaque folio]

russian trucks come with inbuilt self defense flame thrower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y88yU7o4n-Y

[vagrant hull]

euro 7 emission standards 👌 /s

[lean gust]

thats a runaway diesel engine

[sour yew]

no point I suppose, @olive plaza - the recipe is easy to remember

[analog moon]

all we need now are machine guns inside guitars

string operated

hell yeah

[keen wyvern]

What're the weapons laws like where BIMinions live? Anyone have definitive answers?

[young bolt]

@keen wyvern https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic ?

[keen wyvern]

I've read this before, but didn't know how accurate it was in practice. It looks kinda like Canada's laws on paper, but in Canada, guns are actually not very restricted in practice (depending on your province).

Good link, though! Snappy!

[young bolt]

Yeah, Canada is more focused on registration and licensure of the person owning the gun

[keen wyvern]

Ah, I see.

[opaque folio]

😃 http://abload.de/img/smpqxue8.jpg

[merry pendant]

thats cute tho

[fresh fulcrum]

it's no aerosan

[vagrant hull]

aerosani* (аэросани) 😀

for more info about that cuteness just google this ТТМ-1901-40 «Беркут 2»

[obtuse sonnet]

It looks like a GI Joe toy

[merry pendant]

it doesnt look ridiculous enough to be GI joe toy 😛

[karmic canyon]

that's.... a special kind of weapon system 😄

https://9gag.com/gag/a7M0OjL

[vagrant hull]

DShK "damn fast deploy" system 😆

[karmic canyon]

😂

[earnest zephyr]

nice

[lavish cave]

English-language for that TTM-1901-40 (Berkut 2): http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20758/russias-tiny-machine-gun-toting-snowmobile-keeps-occupants-warm-even-when-its-50-below

Also, I've seen GI Joe-inspired vehicles in A3 addon form

[keen wolf]

While it looks cool, I just can't see the logic behind it. They point out that the cabin is heated for extremes of low temperature, but the gunner position is high up on the back and VERY exposed. Wouldn't a remote operated gun have made more sense?

The thing has no armour, it's just thin sheet aluminium, it any sort of firefight it's going to be turned into a cheese grater by small arms

as a border patrol type vehicle, sure I guess it has value, but it's not really a combat vehicle

[ember idol]

looks like 2 seats inside

they'd likely drive around inside, and if they see something one gets out

and mans the gun

its prob more about being cheap and affordable

they use a widely made engine even, that thing is all about cheapness reading more about it

the first version used old car bodies

so repurposed factory lewl

the egnine didn't even change

thing prob costs them a couple thousand each

a '77 engine

lewl

don't need armor when ur shooting at unarmed civilians :)

[keen wolf]

doubt the thing is particularly stealthy, so I can just imagine them "seeing something", then one guy climbing out into the deep snow, then trying to climb into firing position all under a hail of bullets 😃

The gun, IMHO is just for show, the threat of force rather than actual force

[keen island]

I imagine if they're anticipating contact, some poor sod will have to sit on the gun

[ember idol]

yea, its almost certainly 99.999% nothing

just driving around to say, yea we patrol this area!

maybe some exercises where people do have to sit on the back

that seat folds inwards

so they can sit behind the body out of the wind

sideways

[main spade]

Someone needs to make a mk-13 mod cuz the USMC snipers dont use m40's anymore 😄

[merry pendant]

they still use m24a1 tho

[main spade]

True

But m40's are out lol

[merry pendant]

old m40s yes but most of them are in new stocks