workshop_admin

[rigid birch]

This channel is for discussing Workshop moderation related topics and to get in contact with Workshop Administration.

Direct contact email : [e-mail] can be used for questions and sending in Workshop reports related information.

No offtopic commenting thank you.

[rigid birch]

Note:
Do not use real life photos in mod screenshots or previews.
Please remove all real life photos from your mod entries.

Rule revision at: #workshop_admin message

[sage solar]

I'm curious what the reason for this is. Does it apply only to the mod thumbnail and preview images selected when uploading, or also to other things?

[rustic matrix]

I think it could use little bit more clarification - any and all real life photos? Even just a photo of a gun the mod is about? Also, all the mods, or just public ones?

[rigid birch]

Image use rights issues, real life photos not representing the actual content

[rigid birch]

all mods.

[rigid birch]

You can take a screenshot of the gun to show what the mod actually contains

[sage solar]

What if you have rights to the image, or the image is in public domain?

[rustic matrix]

Can it be photo from internet, or i have to be the one taking the photo? ^^

[rigid birch]

it still does not represent the content.

because whats in the image is not actually in the mod

piece of gear might be

but then you can take screenshot of the gear instead

is there some specific reason there would need to be real life photos?

[sage solar]

I completely agree that having images of the actual asset is preferable, I was just surprised you would completely ban any use of photography because of this.

[slow elbow]

thats an entirely different problem tho no? 75% of the workshop mods have images/thumbnails that have nothing to do with the actual content itself

[wary pollen]

Any current purging of the workshop?

[rigid birch]

no.

just giving out notes.

[wary pollen]

Thanks goat

[rigid birch]

I do contact people to remove such images when I encounter them though.

I would of course prefer to use that time on more constructive things. 😅

hence the note

personally as mod user I would like to see more actual content being screenshotted and better mod descriptions.

but thats improvement for another time 😛

[wary pollen]

But it's okay to have no Screenshots and on unlisted? They are only for our server anyway.
Screenshots just take up Mod space. Our console players are complaining about every addition MB

[rigid birch]

sure there is no requirement to have any.

[wary pollen]

I had a beautiful quite HiRes picture as mod picture. Until I realized it's blowing up the mod size.

[rigid birch]

😅 it can sure.

reasonable resolution with file size less than 1 mb should not really matter

I hope

but I guess on console the space is tight

[wary pollen]

yeah pretty much

[icy sail]

how about AI-created images?

or those skilled enough with their artwork skill making the ingame screenshot almost real life like ()

[icy sail]

nvm this seems non issue

[strange garden]

and better mod descriptions
And better mod titles please!
What makes "Better Tracers" actually better?
Maybe your "better" is my "worse"?
What if someone improves on your mod? Should they name it "Better Better Tracers" to stay consistent with the naming scheme? /s

[rigid birch]

that I am still figuring out

[light sand]

🖐️ Hypothetical - say a user has created a mod which covers a map of a specific region, such as France or such. Would they fall afoul of this if they had a comparison photo of in-game versus real life?

(Would also say, imo, an outright AI-created image ban would be preferable.)

[rigid birch]

I would be tempted to allow comparison photo in this specific case. But I'll have to mull it over a bit.

exceptions can be sllippery slope

[light sand]

Appreciate it HG. 🙂 Might be something to recommend people link to an external album?

[rigid birch]

external links can be sus. I'll bring it up for consideration but it is a bit of an edge case.

[light sand]

Also to clarify - does this just apply to Reforger, or A3 as well? (And potentially older titles should they receive Workshop support.)

[rigid birch]

Reforger since its on the workshop which is my domain to look after

[light sand]

Ace - appreciate the clarification. Isn't something that personally affects me, but it's good to know regardless for the day when I shuffle over to Reforger/A4. 🙂

[rigid birch]

I would guess most real life images uploaded to steam are in violation of the steam workshop rules

them being random images off the web

but thats not relevant here anyway.

[light sand]

Would make sense, yeah.

[icy sail]

let BI Steam Workshop team handle that

[wary pollen]

I'm dreaming about a workshop where you can offer 4k OR 2k textures to your mods

I mean both options without people having to force-download the other one

[icy sail]

that may be a bit complex when doing crossplay

since most would take the 2K version so consoles can join (due to limited storage)

[rigid birch]

in anycase. Lets take such topics to the #reforger_discussion

[rustic matrix]

I always used in game pics on live mods, but can you please clarify one more time for the thick person in the back that picture like i have here ( i hope you can see it) https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/646F0CE67D9D23A7-PKP-B_TEST have to be changed?

[rigid birch]

Yes.

[deep citrus]

Regarding screenshots, might be a good opportunity to add some additional information to the Preview Image/Screenshots tabs similar to the external info the License tab carries.
Awareness of these new rules at the point of upload seems fair.

[grand girder]

What about images that have the name of the mod? Or an icon/logo that I have made/have rights to? If it's a small mod that changes some small script it will be hard to showcase with a real in-game image

[rigid birch]

Name image is fine as long as its not real life image.

[sage solar]

IMO the better approach to solving the representation problem would be to require asset mods to include asset screenshots, not to just ban them from using photography.

[rigid birch]

I'll pass that on for consideration. Right now real life photos are and stay forbidden.

[acoustic trellis]

Is there a list of any other requirements for workshop images anywhere? Would also be nice to know ideal image specs vis a vis resolution, compression etc

We were actually just discussing what the point of the mod icon is vs the thumbnail vs image gallery and which gets shown where, also seems relevant

If not, could I suggest starting a wiki page for this stuff?

[rigid birch]

Image technical specs have not been outlined as far as I know and Im not sure there is any need for such.

User monitor/hardware varies so much there isn't really much coming ground.

What looks good on your screen should suffice. Common sense with resolution. 2k HD picture is way too much for simple preview. It is not an art gallery so to speak.

[acoustic trellis]

Just to give an example: if I know the layout area for the thumbnail is only ever 400x300 pixels (or that aspect ratio), that helps me make an asset that’s not 1200x1000

Is it transcoded or resized after upload or just being served to clients as is?

Do workshop images increase download size for the mod itself?

Are my photos allowed to contain other workshop content without their permission? (Eg. A custom uniform being worn by the character showing off a new weapon)

[rigid birch]

Ah right the aspect ratio. that is indeed useful information. I can look into that.

The preview image is indeed combined with the mod on download as you see it as the preview in the ingame workshop. The screenshots I dont know. but since workshop shows them, they are downloaded at some point, taking disk space.

If workshop process them I dont know either but I can look into that too. Gut feeling is that it does not do anything to them automatically.

[rustic matrix]

My pkp-b and pkp-b_test are the same size despite the live mod having some pretty big pictures (that i plan to resize), but both shows the same size. Right now i tried to download them back from workshop and they were converted to like 400kb jpegs. Its a mystery to me

[teal saddle]

Why are people taking down they're mods ?

Example : Massi - U.S Navy Mod

[rigid birch]

We don't really know usually.

[rigid birch]

**NOTE: **
Use of real photos is forbidden with the exception of comparison photos of real scenery and screenshots of the game.
Both comparison images need to be combined into a single picture!

Note that you still need to have rights to use such photo material (self taken photo, permissive licensing, authors permission etc) .
Also avoid photo of specific private property unless you have written approval from the owner or are the owner. (means closeups photos of houses, gardens etc.).

Please remove any infringing photos from your mod entires.

[rigid birch]

This would be good thing for a feedback ticket too so theres record of the need for it.

[rigid birch]

after some consideration we will expermiment with allowing such world comparisons. See above..

[light sand]

Excellent, appreciate the clarification HG. 🙂

[rigid birch]

👍

[rigid birch]

added small additional consideration there.

Thanks Dwarden for the suggestion.

[plush skiff]

Can anybody help me I want wo Publish a Mod I have testet all and it worked but I can't publish ist because I get an Error Message.
What I am doing Wrong can anybody help me?

[rigid birch]

This is more a question for the enfusion modding channels. Like #reforger_workbench

[plush skiff]

I do not have access to this Channel

But I have fix it

[mellow oxide]

You have the hide : Enfusion role
You should go check #✔role-selection and id:customize

[bright agate]

This is somewhat urgent but I need someone to reach out to me please and provide me my mod back if possible. I’ve waited since 1.3 requesting if I could receive it still haven’t and with no update response or anything I can’t do anything. I have desperate changes that need to be made to that mod I would request a takedown however many use it and I simply just need my project sent back to me so I can modify the contents. If someone at BI could please reach out and help me I would greatly appreciate it.

This is pertaining to CONTACT. The mod quite literally is full of garbage.

It’s starting to bother me more and more lol.

[rigid birch]

I had understood you had some agreement on this with @viral pine

[bright agate]

He has not gotten back to me since the start of September

Everyone has a life, forgets things and what not I don’t blame him nor do I hold it against him it’s just been a very very very long time since I first ever asked.

I also expect his DMs to be blown up and had not gotten around to it I know you guys are fairly busy. I’m just trying to atleast bump this so you guys notice I just really need that mod back so I can rid of the garbage and actually lod half the stuff.

[worn hollow]

Hello, I want to solve a problem, I can't add a person to contributors. I added his email to contributors, in Reforger it is visible that he is in the contributors lists, but the invitation does not arrive in tools. What should I do?

[viral pine]

He is probably already a contributor

What is the mod in question?

[worn hollow]

Yes, he is a contributor. I've sent him an invite to make a map together, but when he clicks "File > Check pending invitations" he gets an error which says "You have no pending invitations at the moment". He doesn't have anything new on his email, and we already waited a whole day but theres still no result.

[slow elbow]

What is the mod in question?
is the important question there

[rigid birch]

this is more a #reforger_workbench question since its not exactly Adminstration thing but just how workbench works.

[viral pine]

You actually seem to be banned from workshop

If your account is skeet.

[worn hollow]

Am I actually banned from workbench? Like I'm still able to upload mods into the workbench, anyone can download and use it. If I'm actually banned, is there any way to appeal the ban?

[rigid birch]

yes.

[worn hollow]

How?

[rigid birch]

for multiple rule violations

[worn hollow]

I mean how can I appeal

[rigid birch]

Right now you cant. You were notified of the issue with the first few times when the violating mods were banned

you kept repeating that again and again

[worn hollow]

I was notified about it only once. After that I deleted EVERYTHING, but the mods were kept for some reason

[rigid birch]

You have multiple uploads of same violating material.

that have never been deleted

[worn hollow]

Why I cant appeal the ban right now?

[rigid birch]

well you can but it will be denied.

because you already had a chance to not keep breaking the rules

You didnt stop last time

why would now that you face consequences be any different

[worn hollow]

There's no way that I can prove that I did not continue to "create mods", after I deleted every mod that I made

[rigid birch]

but you have not deleted any mods

[worn hollow]

You yourself warned me personally to delete the mods, I did it in front of you at that very moment, then I didn't create any mods except for “Beketov”, which I didn't even post, but was in the process of creating

[rigid birch]

and 2 days after the first ban you reuploaded again.

[worn hollow]

It might be a mistake, because when I saw that the mod disappeared, I decided to make a backup of the mod and upload it again, and only after that I was notified about my assets from the map were deleted, and that mod wasnt even planned to be public, but theres no way that I can prove it jsut because I deleted everything after that.

[rigid birch]

if by deletion you mean deleted locally that does not remove mods from workshop

and that deleting the files means that you kept updating the reupload 10 times

it does not add up

[worn hollow]

I deleted everything I had available in Workbench, but there were also mods that I deleted locally but did not delete from Workshop because I could not manage them in Workbench itself. I already deleted the other mods as required (i.e., first from Workshop, then locally in Workbench).

This is a problem with Workbench itself, because I can't change a mod that I deleted locally or lost data from—just take it and delete it from Workshop.

[rigid birch]

the last offending mod was updated from 7.8.2025 to 4.9.2025

over 10 times actually

[worn hollow]

Where can I file an appeal

[rigid birch]

Well there is the contact email in the pinned messages.

[worn hollow]

I did not intentionally break the rule, but while dealing with Workbench, I made a number of mistakes that led to my violation of the rules. I was simply trying to understand and test myself in mapping. Now that I have realized my mistake, I apologize and promise not to repeat it.

[worn hollow]

Ok ty

I've spent over 1,700 hours in your game series, and I didn't want to break anything. I love this game and am trying to fill it with content like the others.

[rigid birch]

the offending material was reuploads of banned mods.

thats not the kind of filling we want

[worn hollow]

I reloaded this mod because I didn't know it was blocked, and I broke the rule

I'm currently trying to make a map with a development team (completely vanilla-based without breaking any rules) and everything is going against me

I'm just asking for someone to solve this problem, I didn't mean to offend anyone.

[rigid birch]

@remote nexus Ive tried to reach you via DMs

[remote nexus]

@rigid birch gotchya

[grand girder]

The e-mail address used to send me a notice that I reported my own mod for invalid reasons does not contain a valid reply-to address so I can't ask for details about me reporting my own mod

[rigid birch]

#workshop_admin message

why are you reporting your own mod?

[grand girder]

To my knowledge I didn't but you are welcome to refresh my memory 😄

[rigid birch]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[austere lion]

Is there any other email address listed in the email. Otherwise isn't the more concerning part not that the reply-to doesn't work?

[rigid birch]

I should probably add the new email on there.

[rigid birch]

aa this might be a thing where it was suppose to go to the reporter and not you.

[grand girder]

Three things I would love to see:

1. Include the damn report in the message
2. Include the reason why it was invalid
3. Include valid reply-to or from address

[rigid birch]

you want to see invalid reports made for your mods?

basically its the kind of "not working"

theres nothing useful in there

or its just spam

[grand girder]

No, I mean if I was someone making a report and I got this notification that told me it was invalid but didn't bother telling me what the report was, why was it invalid, and upon trying to obtain more information I would get a bounce saying invalid email, I would get frustrated and the image of your company would worsen in my eyes as an end user of your product

[rigid birch]

but then that is a yes?

but yeah youve received that message by mistake. Streamlining the processing so those dont happen is something Im working towards

[grand girder]

But to answer the question no I dont care about reports made against my mods that are invalid. Those that are valid yes but I think you're already doing that.

[bright agate]

@rigid birch curious if it’s malicious to force a player into a web browser

Say they had walked into an area and it opens steams web and goes to a rick roll

[rigid birch]

yes

[bright agate]

Good to know

[rigid birch]

that would be a nono

[bright agate]

What if it was an action is that alright?

But it clearly states what it is

[rigid birch]

then sure that should be fine

[bright agate]

Gotcha thanks. 🙏

[austere lion]

Well if the action is avoidable then it is not forced?

[bright agate]

It’s worth asking however if and in the event

Web link is very powerful as you can direct to malicious sites

[rigid birch]

that would be a no no yeah

[bright agate]

cough even the funny censored ones

[wind fiber]

Is there a way to sync with your published AF workshop mods? I have one mod in 1.6 Exp, I reset my Workbench and restarting my mod from scratch trying to troubleshoot a problem.

[bright agate]

GitHub is a good way of managing both

Preferred method. There’s alternatives however but it’s nice having control over both versions.

[rigid birch]

the workshop is not really a development repository. You are responsible on keeping backups of your project.

[peak mason]

In Arma 3 we considered that and only allow browser opening by user interaction (pressing a button or link), so its not even possible to pop up suddenly mid game.

[wind fiber]

ACK. Is there a way to remove a mod I published if I no longer have the original files to do it from Workbench? I'm guessing I can just republish this fresh new version with the same name and it automatically links it if I'm the owner of the Workshop version

[rigid birch]

you can connect to it if you make new project and edit its .proj file and insert the existing mods id into it

EXP workshop and the stable Workshop are different things though

[grand girder]

@rigid birch What's the take you guys have on mods that forcibly change scenario/map if a server is "unlicensed" to run a mod?

[rigid birch]

It has been tolerated if mod "behaves like it was not there" with such protective methods. If money is involved in "licensing" that leads to permanent banning.

[grand girder]

behaves like it was not there
Is there some kind of definition for this? If I start Game Master and end up with Conflict I'm not sure it qualifies

[rigid birch]

not that exact definition no.

[sullen heath]

Force changing scenario is definitely not qualifying for this. The idea is to e.g. not show a feature in UI, not enable a keybind for it. Crashing the server, spamming chat and or logs over and over which impacts gameplay and or performance, or ... you know ... load up an entirely differrent map than what the user wanted - are not allowed.

We intentionally keep it vague so some smart ass people do not come to us with "ahkquually here my very specific case is not listed as not permitted, so its ok"

[grand girder]

Ah alr you got some of those out on the workshop

[viral pine]

Report it to @rigid birch or me pls

[bright agate]

Quite a few of those

[rigid birch]

@haughty falcon in case you missed my DM

[haughty falcon]

It would've been appreciated if you brought it to my attention. As you can see from my recent updates I've been actively trying to censor Nazi symbols.

It seems like other people get warnings and I only found out because of people asking me why I removed my mod.

[rigid birch]

This is not a new rule. They should not have been there in the first place.

Long time community memeber who has played WW2 mods since older Arma titles should know this

[grand girder]

How long does it take to process a report nowadays?

[rigid birch]

varies. have some from you that are still outstanding.

[grand girder]

Was just thinking average or whatever

[rigid birch]

have not calculated. 🤔

[vivid garden]

Not sure if this is the right channel.But I have a team member who was banned from the arma discord in the past when he got hacked. Is there a procedure to go through to get unbanned?

[calm quartz]

#discord_tickets and tell more info

[rigid birch]

wrong channel

you can find out what each channel is for from the channel description

reforger modding channels start from #enfusion_generic

[eternal dirge]

Hi, I need some help if possible. I have managed to destroy the drive all my mod source files were on, I understand that there is a way for BI to retrieve the editable files from the workshop. Is there any way I can get this done?

[rigid birch]

DM @viral pine with the details. He can establish if it is possible.

[eternal dirge]

I did do that a couple of weeks ago and assumed he was too busy. will try again 🙂

[rigid birch]

assumption was correct. but try again yes.

😅

[bright agate]

still waiting on contact

lol

This update killed it I’m about ready to just ask yall to delete it honestly

Not a big deal anymore

[viral pine]

I think there was a stalker asset or something that kind of blocked us into recovering it due to IP issues

i don't recall exactly what from the top of my head. But I kind of vaguely recall that

Also, recovering files for modders is not a service we provide. There is no entitlement for it. We do it as favor to community.
If other things internally have higher priority then it gets delayed.

[bright agate]

Oh no no I know trust me I’m not gonna hold it against you. Yeah if that’s the case by all means please remove it.

I don’t believe there was any direct assets maybe IP by name or 2D visuals however that was created with a 3rd party app to get the font.

[viral pine]

I think main concern was a Stalker logo found in the files.

I would need to ask again what was found.

[bright agate]

Hmm I think it may have been the text I used to be exact for the white banner for my pre SRF stuff actually good enough to know I am currently removing all of the self created logos for that reason within SRF that I did have a bit of a thought when it came to that even if it was 3rd party generated it looked a little too close to the official one.

But @viral pine if you or goat do have the chance a removal of contact would be much appreciated thank you guys btw for atleast taking consideration to my previous requests. I do appreciate what you guys do and your time

[viral pine]

Are you sure you want it removed?

If you plan to redo it. You can use the same project.

Otherwise you will lose the GUID

and all the metadata that it had before

[bright agate]

I am very positive. It’s alright it was fun while it lasted.

Also I have new plans for it.

Different addon ^ that’s why I’m not too disappointed

[wind fiber]

If possible, it'd be great to see the mods published by us when we log into our BI account. That way we can delete them at will, and maybe alter the mod information, but nothing more. Downloading the files could be an option, too

[vivid garden]

Is there a dev or department / email that I can dm to ask about something to make sure I am not violating any policies?

I just need to send you an html or MD document to review.

tldr: am I allowed to take donations from new team members to expand to a 2nd region server for our custom game mode mod? There is no money contract its just new team members that will be running another server and donating for their share of server expenses.

[rigid birch]

Yes that should be fine. They can pay for their server.

[vivid garden]

Just to be 100% clear it will also be used for general development costs not just server, like models, tools, software whatever just regular dev stuff.

[rigid birch]

A mod team can contribute towards costs of development yes. I would advice putting agreement about that on writing though. And obtaining licenses to models for a team store account if you want to proof the setup for possible team leaving of members in the future

[vivid garden]

Awesome perfect thank you very much

[rigid birch]

However if your team is 1000 people with 1 person doing the works and 999 just contributing monetarily. That's not ok.

[vivid garden]

Lol yes of course.

[rigid birch]

Just have to mention that as people sometimes get funny ideas.

[vivid garden]

Definitely I appreciate it

[stone creek]

Why would this specific channel keep telling me there are new posts when there are not?

[strange garden]

Autobanned spammer/scammer

This specific channel keeps telling you that there have been new posts 😉

[stone creek]

I've checked this channel 3-4 times since 29 Nov. That many people are posting here, getting banned, and having their posts removed?

[steep obsidian]

@stone creek It are spambots they come in waves every now and than picking certain channel, @cold vine kicks them out when the alert is triggered and deletes all recent posts, what highlights the channel everytime.

[cold vine]

[stone creek]

Makes sense! I didn't realize you guys were under attack that often! Way to go Valkyrja!!!

[steep obsidian]

Well like said it comes and goes with waves, from 0 per day to 5-10 per day 🤷‍♂️ but yea Valk is a true hero with cleaning up that mess 😁

[viral pine]

You should've seen the forums this and early last year

[stone creek]

yeah they are still in read only mode! ☠️

[calm grove]

Current visibility: Friends-only This item will only be visible in searches to you, your friends, and admins.
I cant change the visibility: "There was a problem changing the visibility of this item (15). Please try again later" is this a steam issue and will resolve itself soon?

[rigid birch]

Ah I guess we should specify this channel is about Reforger Workshop Admin

[dapper locust]

Where can I report someone who is making & advertising cheats and mod-exploiting software? The person is a member of this discord.

[rigid birch]

[e-mail] and you can DM me the info as well.

[drowsy knoll]

Hey I'm working on a shopping mall model for reforger. One of the rooms is a small cartoon casino with non functional slot machines and a couple blackjack tables. Are these ok to keep as they are just cosmetic or do I need to delete all gambling related props? Thanks

[rigid birch]

should be ok

[left locust]

Hi Admins, I'm making a missions based on 1945 101st Airborne Division and am wondering if I can make and use generic Heer (Germany Army) units?

[icy sail]

assuming no prohibited icon is used that should be okay-ish, @rigid birch analysis? don't want to make mistake like the last person who tried to make 'authentic' ww2 german forces

[left locust]

I have no plans to use prohibited icons.

[rigid birch]

You can look at the Arma3 spearhead DLC for reference how you can do WW2

[vivid garden]

So I assume monetized servers are
Allowed to have basic rules they can enforce. Are they allowed to enforce a language rule?

[sullen heath]

This has nothing to do with the workshop. Server owners can make up any rules they want. You are not forced to play on the servers.

[drowsy knoll]

Would it be against the monetization rules for a map creater to have a donation link in the map itself like a qrcode or maybe another way? Thanks

[warped osprey]

moving my previous question to here about roundels and other flags and invasion markings representing current conflict, this is not about personal beef with any one community but im curious to know where the line is drawn so i dont get my work taken down

this is one of the first examples in found in #1049297536617291827 with some pretty obvious roundels that are represented in the current conflict (being the soviet star and the IDF Airforce roundel)

as you can see with my other image its very clearly still represented in current conflicts, which the raises the next issue why is the soviet star allowed on the mi-8 ingame since that too is basicly the same look in current conflict but if i added the ukrainian roundel it would be taken down because someone can use it to intend using it as a RU vs UA server or how am i supposed to understand it?

[rigid birch]

depends how it gets used.

[warped osprey]

same can be argued for PGS why is that allowed? they are representing possibly real vehicles from the war and their logo includes a soviet star, which is still getting represented in current conflicts. There needs to be some proper guideline that doesnt change so we know what does and doesnt break the rules because intend is a flaky thing that can be changed by the person that is percieving it

[rigid birch]

the rule has been moderated mainly to remove distinguishable unit markers and certain designs specifc to ongoing conflicts

there is no exact list of things.

and that is mainly because such a list cant be fully definite as conflicts come and go

[warped osprey]

usage can vary and why do i have to essentialy make a gamble if my mod or model is used in any intended way by outside of myself? do we hold the people accountable running the server or the mod maker themselfes? if i were to put out a realistic model that represents how it is in the current arsenal of unspecified nation no 25, and someone puts it on a current conflict server will i get punished for it because it can be seen that i inteded for that use?

[rigid birch]

and change

no you will not get punished. the server will be.

but you may be asked to remove material that gets used against the rules.

[warped osprey]

but thats not really what was said a few days ago in ip rights violations, it would be favorable if we as a community can get even a ounce of written transperity of what can and cannot be represented in our mods

[warped osprey]

but why would i get punished or told to remove something that others intend to use in a harmful or guideline breaking manner

[rigid birch]

if its something specific like unit markers that are clearly meant to represent real ongoing conflict units that would break the rule

in any case, im off the clock so thats all I have time for now

if you want to play safest, use fictional markings

[warped osprey]

this is incredibly vague tho, what specifies as a marker used in current conflict? can it be a flag? can it be a roundel? can it be a number written on the side of a vehicle that has been maybe around even before the current conflict?

[rigid birch]

its vague because real world and what is done in war is vague and constantly shifts

[warped osprey]

but then guidelines need to stop being vague and you either specify nothing that can be used in conflict can be represented or you specify only invasion markers

[rigid birch]

no

[warped osprey]

then where is the line goat, im not willing to censor myself for vague guidelines

[rigid birch]

line shifts with ongoing conflicts.

[warped osprey]

it comes off as unprofesional and its putting a very sour taste in anyones mouth that cares for accuracy and realism, especially those of us that put hundreds of hours in the making of the model or gamemode

[rigid birch]

this is a game and not a real world simulator though

sure there is war in the game

but it is fictional

[warped osprey]

so because someday germany gets involved in a war and has the budeswehr cross on the side my mod can then be taken down?

[rigid birch]

it is a possiblity.

[warped osprey]

or what if i make it fictional and it happens in the future that they use that exactly then its also getting removed?

[rigid birch]

also a possibility

[warped osprey]

so basicly we should just stop representing anything that can be used in any conflict future or current because the chance of it being removed is there, so why even make mods at all?

[rigid birch]

I dont really have an answer to that question.

[warped osprey]

then maybe it needs to be discussed interally because this comes from a company that i have been willingly following for years and the conduct towards modders is just downright disrespectful in a sense that all our hard work can just basicly be removed

also technically the fact the mi-8 uses the soviet star breaks your own guidelines since its also exactly the same model and roundel used by the russians in current, past and possibly future conflicts

[rigid birch]

Well I suppose you can consider the soviet star ok.

But I'll ask about that

[warped osprey]

so what is the line? the soviet star can be used but for example the ukrainian one cant?

[lunar inlet]

soviet star is everywhere in game

[warped osprey]

it would be nice if we can get a proper hardline on what can be used and cannot be changed on a whim or vibes

[rigid birch]

no you wont get proper hard line.

[pulsar kestrel]

It’s already been said

Depending on current conflicts

[warped osprey]

but current conflicts can be changed, if someday the danish decide to declare war on china and i have a entire modpack based on exactly that i can just get wiped off the workshop because the possiblity happened?

its nonsensical

also @pulsar kestrel i can read what horrible goat is saying i dont need you to speak for him or BI as a whole in that regard

[rigid birch]

In any case. This is not an argument channel

I'll mute everyone who starts anything

[warped osprey]

its not to argue, im trying to get a understanding

[rigid birch]

for today this matter is concluded since we are just going circles.

[warped osprey]

im in anycase no matter how you wanna spin it a member of the community that makes content for bohemias game for free and i would like to atleast have to have some protection to not just get banned or restricted because of vague guidelines

[lunar inlet]

seeing a them soveit stars on alot of base game stuff answeres your question

[warped osprey]

if it could be discussed internally and we can get atleast some basic line that we can follow thats not interchangebly that would be tremendous

[rigid birch]

We discuss these things all the time. This is not really a thing that can be put into a list that would not need to change at some point when conflicts change.

[warped osprey]

is this under NDA as to why it cannot be discussed with the community?

because transperency is really needed in cases like this

[rigid birch]

we have just discussed this. Im not really sure what you are after.

[warped osprey]

a proper answer

[rigid birch]

I guess you cant have one that satisfies you.

[warped osprey]

the only answer im getting is "we can change it on a whim"

[viral pine]

Just make it fictional

The issue is when you tie it to real world, if it becomes a medium of political offense, as with palyer even, it will be moderated

Its plain and simple if you want to be safe, just make it fictional

@warped osprey also, you will not or should not be getting an instaban unless you are uncooperative. Or if you had same offenses before. Or if your content is really a huge issue (mocking some real life case or so), in other words if intention of such content is clearly malicious then it is direct moderation.

[warped osprey]

i get that but theres is still a possibility (tho a incredibly low one) for that to somehow end up in a real conflict, or what if i create a design for a vehicle for example that at the time wasnt part of a conflict but god forbid in the near future gets involved in a conflict, then you would have to retroactivly scramble to change it but then what if the mod identity is built on that exact feature, couldnt there be some clause or anything that can somehow protect it especially with such fast changing and often dramaticly changing things as global politics?

[warped osprey]

im aware that the team usually unless in rare cases gives time to change it unless wholey unco-operative but it would be nice that we have a slightly less vague guide to follow because i seen another bi member argue that even flags can fall within the category

thats my issue and my biggest complaint i have been having and i know im by far not the first nor probably last modder that will ask for slightly less vague guidelines on what is and isnt allowed because it leaves alot of people wondering why one thing is allowed and another isnt and especially only getting clarity only seemingly AFTER content gets removed or being brought up as problematic im sure can and probably is costing the team alot of headaches just like the community

[viral pine]

Usual country flags are not an issue

Having isis flags or so would be for example

Flags are multiple things

If you made a fictional scenario, that years later happened to occur irl. Then that is different

[warped osprey]

that is exactly the kind of clarity i want thank you mario bless your heart

[viral pine]

Yeah no problem. I understand this thing is super vague. But its just the behavioral directive that gov the entire community, including server owners, discord, players and modders

[warped osprey]

but now my only other question is what can be seen as controversial or kind of no-go areas? does it specify invasion symbols in general or can it even just be roundels on vehicles?

[viral pine]

Its also why i am very specific on it being moderation

Not enforcement

[warped osprey]

because historicly speaking some of these roundels are older than some people in the discord like the soviet star

and if i create it simply to exist without the clear intend of using it to sorry for my use of that word but "larp" a current conflict will that possibly get me in hot water or is it within the grey area?

[viral pine]

There are mods, that have some items unliked to recent wars. That are fine because they explicitely restrict its usage on server or players that intent to recreate a current conflict.

The issue is when you deliberately create the medium for this usage

Hopefully that explains it

[warped osprey]

so as long as i specify that i do not wish or intend to have it used in a ongoing / current conflict its only going to affect the user negativly?

if thats how it is then it helped immensily thank you

[viral pine]

I think rhs has this clause iirc

[icy sail]

@viral pine can i DM to avoid clutter in here, regarding reforger mod

[viral pine]

Yes

[warped osprey]

thank you mario, absolutely tremendous help! this will hopefully spare some heated arguments in the future regarding this exact type of thing, because i know its been a subject of alot of heat within the community

also sorry for this being something you have to deal with at i assume 6am for you too

[viral pine]

This is the usual hour i check discord 😅

[warped osprey]

did you atleast have a coffee yet? 😭

[icy sail]

hmm looks like my DM got drowned within dozens of others

[viral pine]

I have not checked it. Will do later today.

[tiny veldt]

Why was the Iran map banned?

[rigid birch]

cant remember there being an iran map that got banned

[tiny veldt]

I just saw one and it said removed by administrator. Im tryinf to figure out now why a bunch of mods are being banned.

[rigid birch]

but generally mods get banned if the mods or their maker break our rules

[tiny veldt]

I was making a deployment for it lol.

[tiny veldt]

May I get a copy of yalls workshop rules please.

[rigid birch]

I dont have the link at hand

[tiny veldt]

Ok mb then, Im just frustrated bc I spent hours making OPORDs and WARNOs for this

[rigid birch]

Unfortunately it happens sometimes. It is relatively rare but Mods are not eternal so to speak

[grand girder]

Not rare at all, especially now that mod uploads are being actively discouraged so some end up discontinued

[patent delta]

how are they actively discouraged? by the ongoing (months already) cloudflare timeouts?

[grand girder]

Because if the issue truly was only based on a cloudflare timeout then a workaround could be implemented to allow mods to be uploaded in more or less 30 minutes

[rigid birch]

We can understand the frustration but slinging hurtful allegations like that does not help. The work for solution continues we just can not explain in detail what is being done.
It is not a deliberate state to discourage modders from modding.

[grand girder]

Not deliberate in the sense that "hey lets make modders suffer" but in the sense that it appears not important enough to introduce some kind of a workaround to not use cloudflare for uploads

[vivid garden]

Idk where to put this but can we get a lighting channel on the disc?

[rigid birch]

#discord_server would be the place

[tender tiger]

Sadly Cloudflare doesn't let you configure the filters, to temporarily turn them off in case of issues or something like that.
So it'll probably stay like this for a while

[grand girder]

workaround to not use cloudflare for uploads

[vivid garden]

Then they get ddos'd again prob

[grand girder]

I did not say "use their backend servers directly", there are many ways to go about this without exposing your own servers and without using Cloudflare for uploads. I'm sure someone else will strawman another YeAh BuT!!!11 but it really isn't hard to work around a timing out loadbalancer.

[vivid garden]

YeAh BuTT

[rigid birch]

AnYwAy

[rustic matrix]

Would depicting UA trident be not allowed? ^^

[rigid birch]

you had a picture up somewhere?

[rustic matrix]

I dont want to snitch on anyone, i just wanted to know if that is fine or not

[rigid birch]

I'll need the name of the mod please.

you can DM me

[full spire]

Hello,

I would like to contact an admin for a little problem with my little mod called Dead Everon. First of all, I lost the files of my first mod and my old discord account.

So in the Enf_showcases https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/1113280955512270848
I would like if possible to delete this old topic so i am going to create a new one.
I would like also the first mod Dead Everon to be deleted of the workshop.

And last, there is another mod that is using Everon as a map + with 75% of the modifications I made to the map in dead everon mod.
And this mod dont use my mod as a dependency, is it allowed or not ?

Thank you for your time and help !

AlcatrazV

[strange garden]

And last, there is another mod that is using Everon as a map + with 75% of the modifications I made to the map in dead everon mod.
And this mod dont use my mod as a dependency, is it allowed or not ?
IANAL.
With that being said, according to this page https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/5D58A217A9611AFB, your mod is licensed under an APL license, which means that (apart from a few other requirements) people can "adapt (i.e. modify, rework or update)" your work if they give you attribution.
In other words, that means that the author of that other mod has to mention that his mod is based on yours. Otherwise, it's a no-no.
There are a few other requirements to fulfill, that can be found here, but they seem to be less relevant to your question: https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license.

I cannot answer the other questions, sadly.

[full spire]

Its very clear thank you !

For the others questions, i think only an admin could help me 🙂

[rigid birch]

Ive locked the thread. Can you send me an email to [e-mail] regarding the mod that you want deleted. (preferably from the same email you have tied to the workshop account) I can look into it next week.

[oak verge]

Hey, just a small tip, use github to save your work, it will change your life, I've accidentally deleted my mods many times but by keeping them up to date using Git i was always able to recover and resume my work ^^

[full spire]

alright thank you sir

[full spire]

yes you are damn right, my mistake is so big, i can only feel shame for the hundred of hours i spent on this file

[drowsy knoll]

Are we allowed to pay people for work on making models if no enfusion or enfusion blender tools are used? The model would be made with the intention of being used in reforger but nothing related to enfusion would be paid work? I would make colliders etc myself then obviously do everything in workbench myself but model would be paid work? Thanks

[rigid birch]

yes but just with the clarification that nothing enfusions related can be made as free work either by the model maker.

[drowsy knoll]

Awesome, thank you!

[vague hull]

Can someone help me as I’m new to modding I wanted to learn how to make a conflic scenario

[rigid birch]

We have various reforge modding related channels starting from #enfusion_generic

[rigid birch]

@dense gust as you can see the message is indeed legit

@dense gust I see you blocked me.

Well we will proceed to shut down your server then.

you are using mods against their licensing

[icy sail]

And then they will start complaining that they got banned without warning, while they themselves blocked the warning message

[west ore]

That channel says no access for me. I’ve followed every category and it’s till that way.

[rigid birch]

You w set those channels hidden at #✔role-selection

[west ore]

Thank you, got it now

[royal jackal]

Hej Admins.
I’m reaching out to get your perspective on the best way to name a specific unit for the project (MEI Mod). We are currently discussing the most appropriate terminology for a unit equipped with an explosive vest.

We want to balance historical/contextual accuracy with cultural sensitivity and respect for all players. Within the team, we are considering the following options:
Descriptive terms: Bomber or Bomber Warrior.
Contextual/Regional terms: Martyr, Mujahidin, Fedayin, or Shahid.

We would love to hear your thoughts on which term you feel is most suitable for an in-game environment while remaining respectful to the community.

Thank you for your time and guidance.

[rigid birch]

better to stay away from religion tied terms

keep it generic

the name can be Man05 and it will work in game just fine

but giving it some "historically accurate" name will cause someone to be offended

[royal jackal]

Vest man would be good?

[rigid birch]

sounds alright

[royal jackal]

Understood. If any issues arise regarding the terminology in the future, we will make sure to update it ASAP.
Thank you for your time Goat 🙏🏽

[rigid birch]

@torn needle Ive been trying to reach you.

[fluid pollen]

How do I report a scam mod making group? Re-mods I was messaged by a guy named Joseph (bunch of emojis) wanting to make a scenario for me. I asked what he has done in the past. And he asked 1 for money to make the mod( all enfusion based work no outside work) and 2 sent me to the re-mods website where it’s 50$ + to have them make basic stuff like configs etc

[steep obsidian]

@fluid pollen please make a ticket in #discord_tickets and add the discord id and screenshots of the DMS

[icy sail]

scammers getting bold nowadays

[steep obsidian]

Still banning a few of them daily 👍

[rigid birch]

People must fall into these traps unfortunately.

[fluid pollen]

I didn’t fall into his trap lmao i called him on his BS

[solid arch]

If it's worth the time running the scam, then people are falling for it.

[fluid pollen]

If you ask them for proof of work and they have nothing in this discord (joined 9 days ago) never post any workshop links but send you to a site it’s definitely a scam. They also rip stuff from A3

[rigid birch]

yeah and well anyone asking for money for mod making is breaking our rules anyway

[rigid birch]

this isnt really joke channel

indeed indeed

[rigid birch]

@stone ivy I have been trying to reach you

[candid grove]

Any chance @full spire could dm me. I have a few questions and his dead everon 2 map

[rigid birch]

this is not really ping random people channel thanks

me pinging someone here means I have something channel topic related to talk about

[simple adder]

Hey I was wondering about a mod if it has a license I’m not allowed to put the mod on my server?

[rigid birch]

depends what the license says

[simple adder]

Can I send the mod here?

[rigid birch]

sure

[simple adder]

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/684CCB0BAA46D6E4-I

[rigid birch]

looks like that one would need permission from the author

[simple adder]

Ok thank you for letting me know

[marble prawn]

why is everonxarland banned?

[rigid birch]

Typically banned mods break some rule. You are not the maker of it though so why do you ask?

[marble prawn]

Cause why can’t we have Everon and Arland in one map

And I like the jet mods and everon isn’t enough

[rigid birch]

the maps are not released with a license that would allow it

[marble prawn]

Honestly I think having arma mods being moderated is a net negative

You’re never gonna capture the arma 3 player base if the game keeps going down the arcade route and not allowing the different communities in reforger like the fallout one that got taken down

[oak verge]

They do that to not get sued into closing the platform/paying fines, not because they want to

They do not take pleasure in taking down modder's work they literally just do that because as the platforms of those they are responsible of the content published on it and if they fail to act on that they're at risk.

[rigid birch]

pretty much the above. You need to have appropriate permission to make things with IP someone else owns.

this applies to Arma3 too.

[worn mesa]

when i download the mods on xbox reforged for rouge extract it says one of the dependencies is blocked and thats the last one i need to download to play is there a way to fix this?

[rigid birch]

no. if it has banned dependency then it cant be used unless the author removes the dependency

[marble prawn]

More questions if I merged the 2 vanilla maps would I not have the licensing to use it? I mean it would just be cool to have more islands in the Malden archipelago

Cause it’s just 2 arma reforger maps merged

[rigid birch]

no you are not allowed to share or edit the maps in that way

a mission you make on a map uses the original as dependency

[thorn escarp]

I cannot join this one server because this mod called WCS_CLOTHING_ASSETS is not working

[bright agate]

Hey this is the wrong channel to ask, id move the conversation over here #enfusion_workshop and ill help you out!

[crimson dagger]

is there anywhere where we can see mod list presets to import into a server???

[rigid birch]

no and this is not for that kind of admin questions

but for actual workshop content moderation

[crimson dagger]

gotcha my bad

[bleak jay]

so how do these mods fit the "Make Arma Not War" slogan? https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/61788D199F0CA8EF-Kunar-IDF-Hezbollah https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/62209679AE28C7BF-IDF-HamasV1

[rigid birch]

In same way as we have not banned Ukraine or Russia countries from mods. Israel related mods can exist but due to the ongoing war/conflict, real military identifiers and such can not be portratyed. Only a generic representation of the forces.

Hezbollah and Hamas may be more a problem though due to them being designated as terrorist organizations in places. So references to them may need removing.

[bleak jay]

but not the IDF? i don't think mods should being using the star of david https://imeu.org/resources/resources/fact-sheet-is-israel-an-apartheid-state/214

[rigid birch]

This is not a platform for political games

you are free to not use such mods.

[bitter osprey]

Need to get unbanned in bttg games

[icy sail]

this is not the place to appeal on ban, seek the BTTG community and appeal there, as this is only for Workshop administration stuff

[rigid birch]

👆 this

[boreal jacinth]

@rigid birch what’s Bohemia’s stance on drugs in servers? I looked at the rating and it says the presence of drugs is allowed but glorification isn’t, can you define what glorification is when it comes to drugs in arma servers/mods?

[rigid birch]

That definition is still pending investigation. Unfortunately other matters have taken precedence.

[candid jasper]

@rigid birch i sent you a DM regarding a email i received from bohemia. Thank you

[boreal jacinth]

Will there be an announcement anywhere when this is figured out?

[rigid birch]

This will be the main place where that kind of things will be announced and pinned

[vagrant birch]

Is this the correct channel for getting help to remove old mods from the workshop?

[rigid birch]

you can get access to old mods by creating new one, saving it and injecting the old mods ID into the new mods config file

it wont get you your project files back, but you can then remove the mod via the workbench

[vagrant birch]

Thank you

[rigid birch]

if you cant get that to work you can send email to [e-mail] from the email tied to the mod uploading account and request removal.

[vagrant birch]

This works, appreciate your help now I can tidy up my mess

[rigid birch]

Excellent. Saves me the time 🤣

[vagrant birch]

😂 its my mess its only right I get the finger out

[rigid birch]

hello, SpaceStrider has his own modding thread or you can DM him. This channel is for workshop admin business, like rules and bans

[lavish ingot]

Oh my bad. I tried to dm him, but couldnt

[patent delta]

https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1079658409747550248

[tribal monolith]

But how are we supposed to change the photos when we cannot upload updates to our mods because of the workshop issue?

[rigid birch]

then you change them when the upload works. We are aware of the uploading issues and a new system is being tested on the experimental build 1.7

[tribal monolith]

Roger, just want to make sure that nothing will be taken down before I am able to change it. Will the rule come into force after 1.7? I can see it breaking a load of communities for a while if it comes out now.

[rigid birch]

its been out for about 7 months basically. Intention is not to break things but to steer people to apply fixes

[tribal monolith]

Super, thank you for the quick response.

[manic hazel]

Can someone send me the new workshop rules pls, or can someone sum it up for me quickly if that's easier. Thanks in advance! Also i apologize if this isn't the right channel to post in.

[sick flower]

I feels like enfusion_workshop would be the place (I'd also check the pins there)

nvm I lied (on the pins)

[young inlet]

Did reforged army studios get banned on arma reforger?

[rigid birch]

Don't think so.

Best to contact the maker. They usually know whats up.

[young inlet]

Dont know contact

[naive ingot]

This is him

[young inlet]

Thank

[young inlet]

No other? So something violated?

[naive ingot]

I don't know. Ask him

[plucky robin]

It was because of a new rule of not being able to use real-life photos in mods, and since I used real-life photos, most of my mods would technically be violating that rule. I will once again reiterate that nothing bad happened, and I took this action myself. I temporarily removed all my mods, as I did not want the stress of having a mod that would technically be violating a rule on the workshop.

If you want more information regarding this whole real-life photos in mods rule, search up messages from HorribleGoat in the "enf_showroom" and "ip_rights_violations"

[rigid birch]

we have various modding channels where you can ask more specific questions. This isnt one of those though but this channel is about workshop moderation.

[naive ingot]

Hey I hope you don't mind me asking and no rush or anything, but do you know when you'll put US Armed Forces back up onto the workshop?

[plucky robin]

I'm not sure how long it will take, but I'll at least let you know that my main US mods (US Armed Forces, Early 2000s US Military, and Expanded US Military) will be the first mods to be updated after I finish working on my Mexican mod

[naive ingot]

Ah okay. Thanks

Do you have anywhere we can go to see the progress on your mods?

[plucky robin]

Currently I show off my WIP stuff for my mods in another server called "Modder's Lounge", but I'm thinking I might create a showcase page in "enf_showcases" soon

[rigid birch]

Sounds good, that would be the best channel to put it.

[heavy urchin]

@rigid birch Would it be possible to get/send a PM about a workshop/mod issue?

[rigid birch]

sure you can DM about that

[median karma]

did you by any chance make the US military flags mod too? its missing on workshop too, not sure if it is yours or someone else

[merry ore]

hello dear creative content makers and users, we setup #a3-workshop_tickets and #ar-workshop_tickets channels using same ticket system as in #discord_tickets for reports related to workshop items, please do not abuse as it's WIP, also we do plan to link/integrate it with the new Feedback Tracker (now in public beta) at some point in future

[grand girder]

Isnt there like a limit to how many threads etc you can have?

[plucky robin]

Yes, I created the US military flags mod, and it will be reuploaded eventually

[rigid birch]

limit is people in a thread

[median karma]

ok cool, just wanted to make sure nothing weird was happening.

[dry fiber]

Is there a page with all up to date rules listed?

I Searched online but could only find the TOS, which does not state rules like the one in the message.

I wanna read them to make sure I do Not make mistakes in the Future.

Sorry if this is obvious to find but I am on my phone atm

[rigid birch]

No website but work is being done on that.

Beyond the use of real photos, we dont allow portrayal of real ongoing conflicts in mods. This has meant that no real unit/combat markings that are related to real ongoing wars can not be portrayed

[bitter osprey]

How do I go about getting unbanned in Arma Reforger on BTGG servers

[lapis valve]

Is this a workshop ban?

[patent delta]

you contact the owners / admins of that particular BTGG servers. it has nothing to do with this particular channel, or this particular discord server btw

[rigid birch]

@finite totem I have tried to reach you in DMs

check your messages before monday

[fathom beacon]

@light rover can you provide Guidance on this? also @bitter osprey this is the wrong channel for this type of conversation

[light rover]

If player was banned from the Server and Discord they must have done something so extreme that we do not allow ban appeal for.

[tight orchid]

I've always wondered if it was possible to make a mod that allows passengers to shoot out the vehicle while sitting for example snipers from helicopters, as well as a mod that allows the btr to use its top hatches allowing something like a "sky guard" role in modded servers with drones

[ionic minnow]

not sure if this is the correct place for this question but yes its possible. There was a drive by mod made a while ago, unsure if its still a thing

[rigid birch]

This is channel not really for that kind of questions

[tight orchid]

Sorry

[tight orchid]

Sorry but also thanks for the info

[rigid birch]

A mod content reminder that you have to have the rights to use the IP you upload and that covers trademarked logos and such markings. Like from clothing or gun manufacturer. People will be notified of issues but I would appreciate proactive cleaning of your content.

Questions can be asked here.

[rigid birch]

@merry dock looks like Desert Eagle is trademarked yes

[icy sail]

can name it something like Mark XIX .50 AE

[oak stratus]

“Horriblegoat Neutraliser .50AE”

[stray maple]

Also, can you give the mod the same name as the copyrighted weapon, even if your model is disguised as a fictional one?

[lapis valve]

“Dune eagle”

Would that be copyrighted?

[wind fiber]

Desert Weasel, Dessert Smeagol

[viral pine]

HorribleEagle

[lunar lichen]

Desert Beagle

[oak stratus]

impressive

[snow sierra]

desolate seagull

[oak stratus]

Not So Legal

[wind fiber]

"It shoots and it plays music!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E

[merry dock]

Horrible Eagle, .50GE (Goat Express)

[merry dock]

Okey good to know, thank you

[rigid birch]

Desert Seagull

👌

[merry ore]

and nobody needed AI for that

[oak stratus]

Can mods be posted with a license that states something along the lines of “if your servers accepts donations then you can’t use this mod” as it is not monetization, but donations?

[rigid birch]

well, yes.

might be hard to enforce but yes license can state that

@cursive quiver I've tried to message you Ah hes not on the server. If anyone knows him let him know I have some questions

[waxen herald]

user name came up as unknown

[waxen herald]

Is there a BI stance on that for enforcement? That is a bit tricky, I'd wager MOST servers accept donations to offset their costs

[oak stratus]

If I was to put this in a license and I found a server breaking this, and I messaged them to ask them to cooperate and then they refused, what would be the process there? This isn’t happening I’m just curious, it’s all hypothetical

Poor goat got pinged twice for essentially the same message in different words lol

[rigid birch]

Technically anyhing can be written in custom license, if something can be enforced is evaluated case by case.

[rigid birch]

you would report it to me and Id take a look

if its something we can enforce I would likely then reach out to the server owners first to see if they cooperate

if not then server itself can be banned

[oak stratus]

Understandable, I won’t do this btw I’m just curious as the the limits of what the custom licenses can hold, I wouldn’t put more work on your plate for no reason

[rigid birch]

there is no definite list of what clauses we consider enforceable

but mod author can also go through server service provider

but that kind of Cease and Desist stuff can be more complicated

[oak stratus]

Yeah I figured as much, aswell does my custom license also apply to me? Or am I excempt if it’s my mod

[rigid birch]

you can grant exceptions as you want but preferably those would be documented or mentioned/conveyd in the license text

[oak stratus]

Okay cool, thanks for the knowledge mr sir

[rigid birch]

Nevermind, The mod he had made turned out to be rip anyway.

[oak stratus]

🪦

On day I will make that VSSK lol

[slender tendon]

This seems like the absolute fastest way to make no server want to use your mod, a lot of people just plug in random mods without reading licenses (bad on them obviously). But it could quickly make this an enforcement nightmare from BI's perspective.

Its really expensive to run servers...most of the servers you see online today would not be possible without donations to keep them afloat. Why fight against that?

I 100% understand people wanting to restrict their mods against monetization. But donations? Most people are not going to spend 100s a month to host servers without subsidizing it with donations.

[oak stratus]

“Understandable, I won’t do this btw I’m just curious as the the limits of what the custom licenses can hold, I wouldn’t put more work on your plate for no reason ”

[slender tendon]

can still comment on an idea regardless 😂

[oak stratus]

Thanks for the input

[nocturne wren]

hello

is there anyone that knows about uploading mods into loafhost? having some issues with mods not corresponding with one another. very new to doing this

[rigid birch]

They are external service provider and youll have to contact their customer support.

This channel is about workshop content moderation

[nimble iris]

I have a question, buddy in my server is looking to ask a friend of his to make a mod. Issue is his friend usually rips assets, and my buddy is under the impression that if you "customize or alter" a 3rd of the asset, it is permissible to use on arma. He said he saw it in the discord here somewhere but I'm pretty sure thats not true, and it'll still get our server banned.

Does anyone have a WoG on this?

[solid arch]

For every asset, you either need to make it from the ground up or have permission to use it however you're using it.
If you rip (steal) an asset, it will always be stolen and therefore never allowed.

[terse igloo]

That is absolutely not true at all lol

[nimble iris]

I thought so, thanks for confirming

[rigid birch]

Correct. That would result in the mod getting banned.

[nimble iris]

Thank you!

[latent valley]

Hey guys, troubleshooting getting enfusion and blender linked.... sorry if there is an easily searchable answer. my mind is melting from port related issues and server setup.

• My issue, I want to export a model with animations from blender to enfusion. I have Enfusion Tools but whenb i click export FBX or TXA - I am told workbench is not running, or port is already taken.

I have been dealing with port related issues trying to set up a server... please dont tell me somehow the network is preventing me from making my own mods too

[icy sail]

#enfusion_workshop is better place to ask, as this channel only for administration service

[latent valley]

copy that

[rigid birch]

@maiden sail I've tried to reach your via DM.

[maiden sail]

don't have anything from you, sent a request

[rigid birch]

your settings just prevent DMs

[maiden sail]

fixed

[rigid birch]

still dont work

[native citrus]

i just want to to say the fact that ive gotten banned for trying to learn how to use a heli is WILD

[empty hull]

Hi i am have problem with my server custom loadout say interference rank when louad out is only a corporal and im a general and other player any mods to help with it

[rigid birch]

@native citrus @empty hull I thinky you both have found wrong channel there

[bitter osprey]

Need to talk to an admin to get unbanned

[steep obsidian]

Getting unbanned from the workshop?

[bitter osprey]

From server

BTGG is the one but also OLDGUYS

[rigid birch]

read the channel description

(as in this is wrong channel)

and wrong server

[bitter osprey]

I did still don’t help

[rigid birch]

we dont moderate community servers

[bitter osprey]

O so what’s not a community one

[rigid birch]

official ones

[bitter osprey]

Ok thank you

Cuz u get banned for some gay shit

[rigid birch]

you probably broke their rules

[bitter osprey]

lol

[rigid birch]

so probably justified

youll have to talk to their admins though

we cant help you here with that

[bitter osprey]

Right , sucks when they start it and I finish it tho but it’s what ever game is kinda bad

Think they will fix it by this year runs like a freeze frame rate pretty good

[buoyant eagle]

why was our Mod Misfits Admin Tools taken down

[hybrid hinge]

#BringBackSteamWorkshop

[buoyant eagle]

hi sean

[hybrid hinge]

You guys are split up working on a game, working on a game engine like some tech company, and also running a workshop system with absurd policies. How much resources do you guys spend on such and why would you not invest the rest of this into the damn game?

[rigid birch]

the author knows and can share the info if they want to

[buoyant eagle]

ok

hes not to active but ill ask

[rigid birch]

thanks for the feedback. were not really going to change that though. It does not work like in games where you just allocate X amount of workers to task and it happens faster.

[hybrid hinge]

Why is it that consoles are capped at 25gb storage but other games they can have up to 100gb mod storage?

[rigid birch]

I dont know. its not really topical for this channel

are you here just to troll?

if yes

[hybrid hinge]

No I came here quite pissed off

[rigid birch]

then better to take time off keyboard

because gettin pissy here will result in 🚪

start from #rules

[hybrid hinge]

These questions are pretty common, this is genuinely something that has no clear answer

[rigid birch]

you wont get answers here for offtopic questions just to satisfy your need to vent.

youll get muted

[vivid shale]

How do i go about promoting my reforger server

[rigid birch]

its good to let out negative energy, but this is not the place

[rigid birch]

this is not channel for random questions either

[hybrid hinge]

This literally has to do with the workshop regarding the mod storage size. Is it a contract setup with Microsoft and Sony? Is this even something you guys setup yourselves? Where else am I supposed to find this info?

[vivid shale]

Ok my bad

[rigid birch]

the details probably are not shared anywhere. its not something you can affect

[lapis valve]

This channel is for workshop administration stuff

[rigid birch]

[hybrid hinge]

Its the only Workshop related channel I see at all

[rigid birch]

well check your channels at id:customize I suppose

[hybrid hinge]

Would you care to direct me somewhere that does have the answer

[lapis valve]

That does not mean it’s the right place

[rigid birch]

there isnt place where you would get answer to that question

companies in general dont share that kind of information

[hybrid hinge]

That is quite problematic

Who is liable for such a decision

[rigid birch]

you are not privy to such information either

[hybrid hinge]

So I can't even know if it was Bohemia or a Third Party company that decided

[rigid birch]

no

I dont know the answer either. but I know its not something you are entitled to know

[hybrid hinge]

Do you have a legal team

[rigid birch]

we do yes

consult your lawyer before doing anything silly like that though

and since you are openly hostile about legal things, this is where this chat ends. you can contact the legal department at your leisure.

further spam here will result in moderation action

[hybrid hinge]

Where can I find their mailing address if they receive letters

[bright estuary]

I'm trying to host a server with my friends using port forwarding, and we are using mods, does anyone here know how to fill in this box so the mods we are using will get added, or some form of template i can look at to add them manually myself?

im not entirely sure how to find the mod id's or fill them in and the internet is not helping much

[rigid birch]

hello.

I would like to know how you ended up on this channel from all the channels we have

(because this channel is not meant for that kind of questions)

[bright estuary]

could you direct me to the right one please? i only saw this one that had anything to do with workshop so i asked

i apologize for that

[rigid birch]

youll want to check your channel selection at id:customize and find yourself #reforger_servers

[bright estuary]

thank you i didnt have that channel in my listing originally

[viral pine]

Don't waste legal team time on questions that do not relate to them if this is related to the 25 GB on console.

You are asking for internal information which is not going to be released.

[hybrid hinge]

I obtained the info myself, end of discussion

[viral pine]

There are discussions to increase it if that is what you wonder.

But other than that we can't tell you much.

[patent delta]

@coarse glen

1. wrong channel - #creators_recruiting only
2. you cannot pay for someone to make mods for you

[buoyant eagle]

somone stole our ui design for our scoreboard mod
we request this is taken down

the mod is by Punkster and is called RL_Scoreboard

im submiting this on behalf of Misfits Modding Team

I am the dev team lead

[terse igloo]

You need to report the mod in the workshop browser

[buoyant eagle]

ok

[terse igloo]

You can also email [e-mail]

[rigid birch]

Also #ar-workshop_tickets works.

[peak mason]

(What ui design? The text "Scoreboard" above two tables with standard name, kills, assists, deaths columns like basically every PVP shooter has?)
I assume you mean they copied your layout files?

[rigid birch]

its a reupload of a banned mod.

will take care of it tomorrow

[lunar nebula]

Anyone having problems with GRS army ranks?

[spare forge]

its been taken down

[lunar nebula]

Oh anyone know why?

[icy sail]

the mod author know

[spare forge]

Yea, because the mod author has violated GRS license and policy so GRS asked the author to remove the mod.

[lunar nebula]

Copy

[rigid birch]

wrong channel

[lethal adder]

Sorry folks

[lime coral]

I thought misfits stuff got banned?

[rigid birch]

it has been handled. No need to hash it out anymore

[lime coral]

Ah bet that

[lime coral]

Oh wow ur a arma dev! Eta on 1.7?? Lol

[rigid birch]

[lime coral]

Okay my next question is romist stalker mods I'm worried that yall might bann the stalker community's are we safe?

Also should come hangout at the bar on my server Freedom of the Zone

[rigid birch]

Stalker content would require permission from GSC. If they have such then we have no problem with it.

if they dont have, that would be a problem

[lime coral]

I belive romist has been delt with it just wanted to check!

[lime coral]

https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1322984004244475965

This is the map we're using and romist is super cool just checking if we're still good

[rigid birch]

I recall he made his stuff Stalker inspired, not direct copies and no Stalker ripped stuff so if that still stands then that should not be an issue.

[lime coral]

Yes sir!!

Just wanted to ask bc in the new map that was released theirs monolith body's https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmaReforger/s/nntpIG353R

[rigid birch]

We have some Stalker2 easter egg assets in Reforger

I would guess thats one of them

[lime coral]

So are we allowed too yk this to Make armor?

[rigid birch]

no

[lime coral]

Rogi

[rigid birch]

its just a prop

not something you can edit

[lime coral]

Ik that I can get a modder to make it into armor is what I was asking

[rigid birch]

you to do anything actual Stalker connected would need GSC permission

[lime coral]

Ohhh rogi

Well that helps alot thank you!

[oak verge]

https://youtu.be/Fgl_mAHReP4

[rigid birch]

Hello. First thing is to make sure you read channel descriptions and post in right places

[fathom beacon]

@rigid birch
Just a General Question about images we can use on the Workshop page
would this be a no go? i was wanting to change all my mod images to this for a week for funsies

[rigid birch]

maybe just dont

[fathom beacon]

D: ok

[night flume]

I tried telling him you would say no

[rigid birch]

its not really joke platform

[fathom beacon]

yet we have banana grenades and rubber ducky grenades that we all love so dearly

i joke i joke i kid i kid just trying to make Goat laugh for the day

[lapis valve]

Those are very serious items I’m not sure why you brought those up

[spare forge]

[worldly leaf]

have you ever gone through it and looked at the photos people are using?

[rigid birch]

some yes. and where I find issues. contact or bans folllow.

[proper hedge]

HELLO, I ASK HOW TO RECOVER A MOD THAT DROPPED OR HOW I CAN RECOVER ACCESS TO THE MOD

[rigid birch]

Wrong channel

[rigid birch]

No

The mod source files are not uploaded with the mod.

[rigid birch]

Arma mod license feedback.

I've opened up a license feedback thread here:
https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1508775029897297930

No jokes, no arguing. Aim is to see what we can do to improve the modding experience.

[terse igloo]

Is there an equivalent of workshopcrawler for Reforger? Or a way to see what mods are using my mod as a dependency?

[rigid birch]

I dont recall there being a crawler like that, but we have had some discussion about possible improvements for the workshop UI and being able to see dependencies and dependants would be useful yes.

However I cant make any promises on such at this time

[terse igloo]

So if someone uploads my APL-ND mod, with license infringing changes, to the workshop unlisted I can't actually find it?

[waxen herald]

#1439717052683255809 message

[rigid birch]

ah I do have missed that

👍

[rigid birch]

as is its with the curren UI yes that is difficult

[worldly leaf]

The crawler wont help with that though. Can't find unlisted mods, can't index unlisted mods.
Unless it starts trying random IDs, but that is very much not desirable

[rigid birch]

you would have to find a server that uses it and find the ID number for the mod

[terse igloo]

Gotcha

[rigid birch]

if you know the ID you can open the mods workshop page by inserting the ID to the link

and you can download the mod via server startup

[waxen herald]

You could easily find your own stuff through battle metrics presumably

[rigid birch]

I dont think that works for this use case

But I guess neitehr would dependency/dependant list since a reupload like that would likely not use the original mod as a dependency.

finding dependant mods with license breaking changes, yes

reuploads - no

and a reupload with changes could be difficult to spot with automatic comparison too.

typically people caught doing that find themselves banned from workshop pretty fast because of such hiding means its intentional.

[worldly leaf]

That is planned

[terse igloo]

Just brute force the IDs

[worldly leaf]

No

[terse igloo]

I'll start: 00000000001

[rigid birch]

[peak mason]

Ez, just provide a list of all unlisted mods. Solved ✅

[worldly leaf]

Provide it to someone who can easily index it

[peak mason]

Battlemetrics API, gives you a list of all mods it knows about, with their name.
Then you can search by mod to find all servers that use it, and when you open a server's page you get the GUID.

Making a mappnig from BattleMetrics mod id to Workshop GUID.
Then like once a day pull the BattleMetrics mod list, and see if new id's appeared. If yes look up servers that use it, and add the GUID mapping.
If the GUID is unlisted on workshop, index it

[grand girder]

I think battlemetrics only tracks top 100 mods or something BUT you can scrape all the servers to get their full mod lists and at least have a database of what's used

[proper hedge]

Okok thanks you

[wind fiber]

any plans at Bohemia for at least the browser Workshop to display what server(s) are running a certain mod?

[oak verge]

Battlemetric does that

[lime coral]

Hi I'm not versed I'm the gods tongue but is cloudfire working I remember someone mentioned it was a issue and couldn't upload ty if anyone knows

[rigid birch]

this is not quite the right channel for that. the modding channels like #enfusion_workshop would be more appropriate. But no we dont really have had coherent reports of upload issues

1.7 introduces a update to uploading which should fix the old issue

[viral pine]

No

[fathom beacon]

half the time workbench no longer even sees my Prefabs i have to make a whole new folder and drag them to the new folder its been.... fun lol