expeditionary_forces

[restive sundial]

Hmm strange, I can paradrop RHS BMDs in water and they swim to shore just fine

[pastel nest]

i know they can go straight

that's about it

or change movement direction if they're already speeding forward, that will also work but it wasn't consistent

[restive sundial]

curious what happens if I give them a kickstart with setVelocity

I'm trying to recreate something like this https://youtu.be/XAjYnz2leoo?t=85

[pastel nest]

i just tested RHS bmd and if i give them a waypoint that's not in front of them they dont work just like all the rest

turns on the engine and then just stays there

even if the waypoint is in front of them they wont move really

so basically the same as all the other vehicles from other DLCs/mods

[restive sundial]

hmmm I see

I'm using setVelocityModelSpace and it works perfectly well

But, now I need to force the AI to rev the engine up haha

[pastel nest]

thats with EF AAV9s or RHS vehicles?

[restive sundial]

EF AAV9s

but probably works as well with any vehicle

[pastel nest]

i see

[restive sundial]

once the vehicle is on land it works fine, I might increase the mass so that it can take down trees though

[pastel nest]

that might cause strange behavior with physx dampers

[restive sundial]

And by the way basically what I'm doing is

• Start a mission event handler
• If speed is less than 45kmh then set velocity
• if surfaceIsWater is false then end the mission event handler

[pastel nest]

i dont know if those values scale if you increase/decrease the vehicle mass

[restive sundial]

I see, i'll have to test

Since you guys did a CDLC, do you guys get more visibility when it comes to feedback?

[pastel nest]

yea definitely

i still have to go out of my way to find it sometimes, but yea 😄

[soft portal]

That's what I did in a mission I recently published using the macks. I used it on 4 mack, and no performance decline like you would get with unitplay.

[pastel nest]

if a simple workaround can be made we might look into it

[harsh spade]

what does side loading mean on the LLC?

like what's different about it

[pastel nest]

#1312747341920604261 message

[harsh spade]

gotcha

thanks

[restive sundial]

perfect, I have 8 of them right now assaulting a beach looks and feels fantastic

[pastel nest]

awesome

[raven axle]

Send a clip please, i'd like to learn how to make that too

[restive sundial]

The following runs on each frame:

• Force the AAV to turn its engineOn (it'll turn off otherwise unless you give it a waypoint)
• Force engine on
• check if its speed is under 45kmh
• if it is then set the velocity to move 13 m/s (~47kmh)
• If the AAV is no longer over water then stop the mission event handler (basically a loop that runs on each frame, exit if not on water anymore)

addMissionEventHandler ["EachFrame", {
      _thisArgs params["_vehicle";
        _vehicle engineOn true;
    
        if (speed _vehicle < 45) then {
            _vehicle setVelocityModelSpace[0, 13, 0];
        };
    
        if (!surfaceIsWater (position _vehicle)) exitWith {
            removeMissionEventHandler ["EachFrame", _thisEventHandler];
        };
}, [_vehicle]];

You could make it like:

speedAmphibiusVehicleUntilLanding = {
  params["_vehicle";
  addMissionEventHandler ["EachFrame", {
        _thisArgs params["_vehicle";
          _vehicle engineOn true;
      
          if (speed _vehicle < 45) then {
              _vehicle setVelocityModelSpace[0, 13, 0];
          };
      
          if (!surfaceIsWater (position _vehicle)) exitWith {
              removeMissionEventHandler ["EachFrame", _thisEventHandler];
          };
  }, [_vehicle]];
}

And then run it like

  [_vehicle] spawn speedAmphibiusVehicleUntilLanding;

And if you have 8 AAV, let's say you put them in the editor named aav_1, aav_2, etc. (I recommended spawning them in scripts instead) you can do like so.

[aav_1, aav_2, aav_3, aav_4, aav_5, aav_6, aav_7, aav_8] apply {
  [_x] spawn speedAmphibiusVehicleUntilLanding;
}

This will make your AAVs speed up at 45-47kmh until they hit land. You can also disable brakes so that they don't stop right away as soon as they hit sand

[soft portal]

Maybe I don't fully understand how on each frame works, but could there be issues with on each frame? Could varying fps give different results?

[verbal pawn]

Above script works great. I made it shorter and avoided using onEachFrame. My understanding of onEachFrame is that only one of those commands can be running at a time. If another is ran it will overwrite the previous which could mess up another part of your mission if that matters to you.

_vehicle = this;

AAV_AmphibiousLanding = { params ["_vehicle"]; 
    while {surfaceIsWater (position _vehicle)} do {
    sleep 1;
    _vehicle engineOn true; 
    if (speed _vehicle < 45) then {_vehicle setVelocityModelSpace[0, 13, 0]};
    };
};

[_vehicle] spawn AAV_AmphibiousLanding;```

[restive sundial]

It can multiple times, it's a mission event handler, it's different than onEachFrame.

addMissionEventHandler ["EachFrame", {...

Is the stackable version of onEachFrame
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Mission_Event_Handlers#EachFrame

[restive sundial]

I haven't had any issues with this implementation. It's what I use to do things like forcing a helicopter to hover still for helocasting or rappeling, making planes or helicopters fly in formation, etc.

[nocturne granite]

Quick Question...is it save to play the SP Kampagne with ACE medical system or will I have problems?

[pastel nest]

I don't recommend it, it wasn't made with that in mind

No idea what kind of problems you're going to get

[soft portal]

Maybe I don't understand the each frame Event Handlers, but if one pc gets 60 fps, and another gets 30 fps playing the mission, one would be applying the pushing force twice as often, would it not?

[tired jacinth]

you're setting the velocity

not adding it.

So no, every simulation/frame cycle you set it to a same value basically.

[restive sundial]

What @tired jacinth said

[raven axle]

does anyone have any idea how to script the cruise missile to launch and fire at a given position like in the campaign?

[minor dock]

#expeditionary_forces message

[raven axle]

I meant the Ship VLS missiles not the titan

But yeah the titan is a cool one i'll learn in free time

[minor dock]

Not too different AFAIK. VLS should accept fireAtTarget as long as the VLS recognizes the target

[restive sundial]

I wrote a script for that a couple years ago I think, I can't recall of the top of my head but it was something like

west reportRemoteTarget [_target, 9999];
_target confirmSensorTarget [west, true];
_vls fireAtTarget[_target, "weapon_vls_01"];

Where target was a laser target attached to a vehicle, if I recall correctly

[cobalt kernel]

Does expeditionary forces cdlc give you a tank

What exactly does it give

[stoic marlin]

🖍️ marine faction

[cobalt kernel]

Yes but is there any tanks in there

Marine faction is a part of nato right?

[soft portal]

No new tanks, there is a new IFV

[cobalt kernel]

waz is that

[soft portal]

(IFV) Infantry fighting vehicle, it's an amphibious apc called the AAV-9, it has a 30mm, or a 50mm auto cannon.

You can see it here
https://x.com/ArmaPlatform/status/1863999275866239425

[stoic marlin]

they have both variants of the slammer in desert and woodland camo

[cobalt kernel]

ok

Looks nixe

[stoic marlin]

some very nice MRAPs as well

[soft portal]

I didn't know they added new skins for the slammer...cool.

[stoic marlin]

they're pretty much the vanilla and tropic skins for it

[pastel nest]

you can see more about the DLC content on the steam store page here: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2647830/Arma_3_Creator_DLC_Expeditionary_Forces

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[cobalt kernel]

I bought expeditionary forces and i really like it

But im having so problems with the vehicles

when they are in the water

[pastel nest]

what problems?

[cobalt kernel]

I use the editor alot and when i set a waypoint for them to move they dont

only when i water i think

[pastel nest]

the tracked vehicle doesn't work in water when the crew is AI, it's an engine bug https://feedback.bistudio.com/T170421

the boat and landing craft should work

[cobalt kernel]

Aww 😦

[pastel nest]

they work right when the player is in the commander or driver seat

[cobalt kernel]

How do i put the tanks in the load thing

[pastel nest]

in the campaign we had to script them

[cobalt kernel]

Wdym

[pastel nest]

if you're driving the vehicle yourself you drive to the front ramp and do "Load Vehicle"

in EDEN you can just drag and drop the vehicles on the landing craft

[cobalt kernel]

Okay

[pastel nest]

in two of the campaign missions the AI uses the tracked IFVs in the water, but we had to script them to get them to do that

[cobalt kernel]

Okay

):

Are you a developer of the dlc?

[pastel nest]

yes

[cobalt kernel]

Great job on the dlc the new faction is really cool

But do you think that problem will ever be fixed?

[pastel nest]

thanks, it really depends on BI, we cannot fix that ourselves unfortunately

[cobalt kernel]

Oh okay

no problem

[cobalt kernel]

How do i use the drones in the dlc?

[pastel nest]

what drones are you referring to?

[cobalt kernel]

Stomper

[pastel nest]

ah, they're from the base game, you need a UAV operator, then you can connect to them from the scrollwheel menu and use them that way

[cobalt kernel]

ohh

thank you

[radiant urchin]

Hey sorry if this has been asked before, but am I the only one having issues with the doors to the center of the LPD where you can store 2 boats? I open the doors into that area and there's a second set of doors behind them https://imgur.com/a/8UiYrW9 which makes it rather difficult to get into 😂

[minor dock]

Known

[radiant urchin]

Cool thank you

Also if I could make one small request for future updates, could we please have an HMG combat boat with 0.50Cal's instead of XM312's and maybe an option in the edit vehicle appearance screen to remove the remote turret, just so those of us who don't use 2035 stuff can justify the vessel 😂
Either way I ❤️ the CDLC, thank you for all your work

Oh and one final thing I notice the boat racks won't accept modded boats like the vanilla Liberty's boat racks do again not a huge deal because we can always use the ones from the Liberty

[pastel nest]

regarding the double set of doors, it's an engine issue, it seems to happen when you change attributes on the ship, only happens in eden editor and will usually fix itself after a bit

the combat boat rack was made specifically for the combat boat, it's unlikely that will change, mostly because other vehicles would look really odd in it

[minor dock]

You sure you're replying to the developer himself and we're aware the ship is not an naval thing you even mean

[cobalt kernel]

I have come across alot of issues using the new boats and stuff in the eden editor 😦

But its still a cool dlc

[minor dock]

You twisted my point all the way, but okay

[cobalt kernel]

I dont know what you meant

[cobalt kernel]

Unless its just me which it probably is now that i think about it

[languid umbra]

If you mean using them with AI, that's just engine issue

[faint anvil]

will expeditionary forces eventually be compatible with antistasi?

[stoic marlin]

The people in the antistasi discord would probably know

[light talon]

Ultimate already is, and community also in test build

[cobalt kernel]

Yes i like making battles in eden editor thats a big problem for me 😦

But all of the other cool stuff makes up for it

[faint anvil]

yooo nice. ty for the help man 🙏

[pulsar shard]

Is there a mac update coming by any chance?

[pastel nest]

i know the mac port is being worked on but i dont have any information beyond that, will ask

[burnt geyser]

Why are the belts/magazines so short on the HMGs on the combat boat? 100 bullets doesn't feel like a lot

Feels like one mean vehicle though, most fun to come to ARMA for a bit I think 😃

[pastel nest]

thats how big belts are on all vehicles using the same HMG and box magazine

[burnt geyser]

Strange, ARMA tends to lock up for a bit if I'm steering, shooting and taking (Steam) screenshots at the same time

[burnt geyser]

(Was playing from the editor)

[raven axle]

@pastel nest Hey, wanted to throw in a suggestion, if it won't be too much hassle, maybe a showcase of the Marines just like Armed assault or Combined arms showcase. Showing you guys as a true standalone asset, and maybe a Mortar version of the Hunter or AAV mack.

I noticed there's another mod out there building US airborne forces and is quite good too, so i say this CDLC is inspiring others. As long as CSAT also gets some love.

[burnt geyser]

Oh yes, thought no showcase or scenario (other than the slow starting campaign) was a minus

But still new to the DLC, haven't even written a review yet

Zerty/JMW devs didn't get immediately excited, none of my friends seem to yet have this... I have some favourite vehicles though, wondering when we get to run something 🙂

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752995745790951424/1315420005021646858/20241208222425_1.jpg?ex=6759fad8&is=6758a958&hm=f19bb77a067224b0f91f9af3fdf73faa03ecdae1d68b546b0f2bf8ecbfcfb9e3&=&format=webp&width=1243&height=700

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752995745790951424/1314997959146082364/20241207175831_1.jpg?ex=6759c348&is=675871c8&hm=8b7516d2e4cc47ca9dfde9f6786f25ac204321327af3a0166d54227deac4942d&=&format=webp&width=1243&height=700

[potent panther]

I'm loving it so far, I ran a Zeus scenario with my unit the other day and we had a blast. The Mack being faster than walking speed in the water was a big bonus because now you can transport a bunch of dudes without needing a dedicated boat

[pulsar shard]

I'm excited to try this just waiting on the mac port... Dovetails nicely with all the things I'm already interested in within Arma.

[chrome crow]

I absolutely love this DLC, but my one question is why did they not just incorporate it into the base game?? I feel like if the gear and vehicles used in this DLC were in the base game, it would give it more incentive to purchase it and enjoy it more??

I just ended up refunding it considering not many other people bought it and i couldn't find people to run it with me

[jaunty escarp]

Not the devs decision and BI doesnt want to do it

[chrome crow]

Yeah, I get that. It's not the end of the world, I just feel like the base game needs more inclusive content and this would've been an outstanding opportunity to make it something better. But it's still a good DLC regardless.

[pastel nest]

both we and BI host servers that run all three 2035 DLCs (on top of EF only servers), unfortunately a3 CDLCs are handled this way and its not going to change for the foreseeable future 😦

[jade cargo]

The base game is over a decade old my guy

[chrome crow]

Yes, the game is still very popular and constantly being updated. What's your point?

[chrome crow]

yeah, i get that. i wasn't trying to sound like i was bitching it just would've been cool if it was in the regular base game 😂 that's all

[pastel nest]

No worries 🙂 we understand how many people dislike it ourselves

[jade cargo]

I’m saying that you should accept how Creator DLCs work, learn about how they’re funded vs BI content, and just load them all like mods happily and keeping giving the devs your money.

[chrome crow]

it's not even that deep, i just said it would be cool to use with other official BI servers because its in the same time period, that was the extent of my point bro.

[rapid gorge]

this cdlc has a fire trucks?

[winter obsidian]

no, this one https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1215307577311756288

[rapid gorge]

oops

[cyan nexus]

it could have if you load #reaction_forces aswell

[half sequoia]

How do you load vehicles onto the LCC? Not having any luck just driving up and using scrollwheel options, even with ramps open

[brittle star]

Are you approaching from the front? You can't load from the stern.

[pastel nest]

You can drive any vehicle up to the front ramp, and once in position you'll see "Load Vehicle" appear in the Useraction (scrollwheel) menu. The system is the same as other vanilla VIV-compatible vehicles (Xi'an and Blackfish).
Note that you can load vehicles from the front ramp only due to technical limitations.

[half sequoia]

I'll give the front a try then, thanks! The side-load variant as an option was a bit confusing, I know it works differently for that same reason

[bright prism]

Are there any mods that you recommend specifically for Expeditionary Forces?

[half sequoia]

Aegis

[pastel nest]

its probably worded strangely, but it works the same way, it can just fit more light vehicles side by side

[chrome crow]

how populated are the servers for this DLC though?? like do they usually have a higher player count?? i'd be interested in playing Zeus or something with this DLC, but i probably won't if the server counts aren't high

[pastel nest]

we maintain a couple multiplayer coop servers but idk about the zeus ones, you'd have to check and see for yourself

[burnt geyser]

Prob need a small group of your own to get the action going there

[pastel nest]

https://x.com/maruksp/status/1871730249337344057 looks like we're doing very well right now 🥳 top CDLC in sales

Marek Spanel (@maruksp) on X

Top 10 Bohemia Interactive games on Steam this week so far by revenues.

Twitter · Dec 25, 2024, 1:30 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gfm4vKmaUAA_84a?format=png&name=900x900

[pastel nest]

merry Christmas!

[jaunty escarp]

Congrats!

[raven axle]

So china just dropped a 6th gen aircraft, another reason i wish more mods and CDLCs give CSAT more capabilities

[jade cargo]

"6th Gen"

Much like the Su-57 is a "5th Gen" fighter...

[languid umbra]

I agree with adding more naval assets to CSAT but for the sake of balancing the content not because "China did this" and "China did that"

We got naval assets for NATO in Jets DLC and imo this CDLC was a good opportunity to add a few naval assets to CSAT to fill the gap

[cyan nexus]

but what if for CSAT Iran?

[supple stump]

CSAT Iran gets stealth propeller fighters

[languid umbra]

I just meant CSAT in general. Maybe hovercrafts, frigates and aircraft carriers

This has a futuristic design for example which could be suitable for the A3's 2035 setting
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/2022_Sacred_Defence_Week_parade_in_Bandar_Abbas_(43).jpg

[cyan nexus]

2035 Iran F14 Upgraded to Gen 6Th standard and beyond

[cyan nexus]

angy boat

[supple stump]

They should have that propeller plane the US built that could only constantly break the sound barrier

[languid umbra]

Well if you guys just want to shit post take it elsewhere. I was providing genuine suggestions

[cyan nexus]

aircraft carriers model too expensive to make, (unless buying from 3d marketplace)

CSAT should definitely have at least 3 Aircraft carrier to cover multiple oceans

[languid umbra]

I know. I don't think any major CSAT assets will be added to this CDLC either. But I figured I'd express my opinion anyway

[pastel nest]

the focus of the DLC was never naval combat or fighter jets, of all the things that could happen an aircraft carrier or a frigate are very unlikely

[west shoal]

Just a wild thonk, but wouldn't it make sense for the Mk66 turret to appear in the MJTF (Navy) faction, rather than having 2 identical copies in the Woodland and Desert factions?

[viscid condor]

Can you not stabilize the gun turret on the combat boat? Not really accurate with any waves even at low speeds

[pastel nest]

not a bad suggestion 🤔

[pastel nest]

no, its an engine issue, the coding is there but it doesnt work

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T186846

[west shoal]

(Appearing in the NATO faction to match the Jets DLC ship turrets would also make sense to me, but I can understand why you might prefer to use MJTF)

[viscid condor]

What id you used like the Targeting pod camera like the jets and drones use, those can stabilize on ground

[pastel nest]

different tech, doesnt work on turrets like ours afaik

[viscid condor]

Wonder if theres any modded combat boats that figured something out

[stable aspen]

question, why not do stabilizedInAxes = 3?
that will give you the same effect as a marshals turret, but you lose out on roll stability when rocking

[pastel nest]

Cause it doesn't work either

And 4 is what you're supposed to use

Vanilla speedboat also has it and it doesn't work there either

[winter sonnet]

Hello! A member of our Discord posted his second video playing our scenario, but this time he played entirely with your CDLC. Would it be possible to share the link here in the chat? Anyway, I wish you a happy 2025!

[pastel nest]

i dont know what the rules for gameplay videos are on this discord, but fine by me 🙃

[winter sonnet]

Thanks for the reply. If they torture me for this, I promise I wont mention you! Besides being a good guy, the one who created the video did a solid job, we enjoyed it, and I think it showed off your DLC really well. Thanks again, and best wishes to everyone.
https://youtu.be/cQ4sdnr2eMY?si=5pUHFb-VxGdpjxGa

[storm frost]

Officially #videos_arma only, but exceptions (we see it through the fingers) are made for dedicated CDLC content, SOG members/Project lead also posts videos in his SOG channel 😉

[pastel nest]

alright, we got a waiver by the mods 😄

[stable aspen]

stabilizedInAxis=4 is just roll stability. Not elevation or traverse stability
And the vanilla speedboat works in that regard. As the camera and weapon on the front turret are generally level with the horizon, only when turning rapidly will it fail, and that’s because it hit its gimbal limits

[pastel nest]

didnt work last time i tried a few weeks ago

there was no stabilization at all

didnt work with 4 or 3 either

[stable aspen]

huh, odd, i just tested the speedboat in vanilla, and it had roll stability

[pastel nest]

can you explain to me what you mean with roll stability? because i tried again and there's no stabilization whatsoever that i can tell, it should behave like a tank/ifv turret where the gun holds the same direction regardless of where the vehicle is turning or rolling but there's none of that on the speedboat

behavior on the speed boat and combat boat is exactly the same

[west shoal]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Turret_Config_Reference#stabilizedInAxes_=_3
Roll stabilisation is when the camera stays level even if the turret is tilted to the side. Like say you're parked on a hill, with roll stabilisation the horizon will still appear level.

[pastel nest]

ok, so that component works, but there's still no stabilization other than the camera staying level to the horizon

[west shoal]

It's not clear from the documentation that mode 4 is meant to do anything other than that. The phrasing suggests it is just roll stab, separate from the other modes.
It might be useful to get dev clarification on how it's intended to behave.

[pastel nest]

i tried 3 as well but it didnt work, as i've stated earlier

[west shoal]

I'm not disagreeing with that, I believe you. It's just unclear how mode 4 specifically is meant to operate and it might not be expected to be all-axis stabilisation.

[pastel nest]

considering how the boats are moving on water and riding/rolling over waves it would make no sense to me to have only roll stability without all the other components, because it makes aiming extremely hard unless you're almost standing still

to me this is just a bug, cause if that wasn't the case then with stabilizedinaxes = 3 you'd get the same behavior of tanks, which is not the case

so whatever problem there is, its out of our CDLC hands 🤷‍♂️

[west shoal]

I'm curious what happens if you use mode 4 on a tank turret.
We can obviously see that yaw/pitch stab don't work on boat turrets - it would be interesting to see whether mode 4 isn't applying them because of that bug (in which case it should apply them when used on a tank) or because it just doesn't have yaw/pitch stab at all

[pastel nest]

hmmm thats a good idea actually

will take a look when i get the chance

[jade cargo]

Have you asked the BI dudes about this…?

[subtle lodge]

Unrelated question

Are there any soft dependencies to other CDLCs ín the campaign included with Expeditionary Forces, and vice versa?

[pastel nest]

i made a ticket, cant do more than that really

[pastel nest]

no, i think air control was tweaked to feature the LPD since the last patch

[stable aspen]

thats all that stabilizedInAxis=4 is, no elevation or traverse stability, just roll

[subtle lodge]

Alright, thank you very much 😌

[cunning cedar]

The Tiny Gecko Studios Discord server still isn't in #channel_invites_list like the other CDLC Discords for some reason.

[jagged agate]

@crisp flint

[steel folio]

Hi folks, this is probably a pretty simple question for most players (I am a rare Arma player that doesn't know much about guns and calibers and stuff) but what's the difference between the AAV-9 and AAV-9A1? Is it basically "9A1 has bigger gun therefore more big shoots"?

[minor dock]

Basically indeed

[steel folio]

Got it 👍

[pastel nest]

damn you're right 😐 whoever designed it this way didnt play with boats very much 😅

[stable aspen]

i get why its like that, boats do a lot of rocking, and often dont have a point of reference to stabilize onto

[jagged agate]

could it be a bitmask, like e.g 7 would turn everything on? 😅

[pastel nest]

i've never seen it used like that

checking in configs no vehicle uses it like a bitmask

[tranquil nova]

AK-230 https://youtu.be/RzcIyOTW2Hc
AK-630 https://youtu.be/1PQ7UXMydQw

[jagged agate]

@tranquil nova yeah…?

[winter obsidian]

maybe this is a suggestion 😄

[cyan nexus]

ah yes of course Russian CIWS on American Navy ship

[jagged agate]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-supernatural-relatable-relatablemoods-gif-7719768255809338997

[tranquil nova]

👆

Would love to see something for CSAT with a AK-230 or 630

[crisp flint]

⚠️ Official Arma 3 EF+WS+RF CDLC servers were updated with hotfix https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/236830-western-sahara-changelog/?tab=comments#comment-3537965 , https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/284155-reaction-forces-changelog/?tab=comments#comment-3537966 ping me if there are any issues

[pastel nest]

o7

[pulsar shard]

Wondering if there’s any news on a mac version of expeditionary forces? 🤞

[pastel nest]

it can be played on the release candidate (code Arma3Update218MacRC ) but the build still has some crashes last i heard, until the 2.18 is live on mac as well it won't work, hopefully it will happen sometime soon

[viscid condor]

Whats the best way to consistently get the AI to land and unload vehicles from the LCC?

So far been having mixed results with move waypoints to slow down and vehicle unload waypoint

[pastel nest]

the most reliable way would probably be unitcapture and unitplay

and a bit of additional scripting

next patch will have improved handling on the combat boat and lcc when used by the AI (on top of general handling improvements) which should hopefully make it easier to set that up

[viscid condor]

Looking forward to that update

[cerulean ferry]

Today's update of RC should be better, but we'd still want to learn about any crashes of course. Note that I'm not sure you can buy EF on Mac yet (we didn't 'release' it there yet), but perhaps you can own it via Windows already.

[pastel nest]

thanks for the heads up!

[viscid condor]

Is the campaign coop

[minor dock]

No

[jagged agate]

Apex one is

[viscid condor]

Apex campaign is as old as the dinosaurs

Dunno why everyones against coop campaigns for this game like do we really need more SP Content

[jagged agate]

I believe it is not "being against", it is more a matter of design/time/resources/UX

[viscid condor]

UX?

Idk ive just always felt like this game had a lack of coop campaigns

[jagged agate]

UX = user experience
I join you on this however; I always welcome a game that can be played both solo and coop

[light talon]

Apex: Co-op
SOG PF: Co-op
Reaction Forces: Co-op
Western Sahara: Co-op

[viscid condor]

So 1 campaign

That's already mentioned

Not that any of those are had, WS is a great scenario

[light talon]

All of those can be considered campaigns

You get as much playtime from WS and RF persistent scenarios as a full fledged campaign 🤷‍♂️

[winter obsidian]

yes. at least 4 to 5 hours of playtime. RF scenario is probably even longer

they are campaigns. Just found in scenario tab because on technical side they are single scenarios

[pastel nest]

Making mp coop campaigns for arma is not easy for lots of reasons, you need a team for mission design and a team for testing and sadly they don't grow on trees

[jagged agate]

I grow on trees

[pastel nest]

Ticket: Command didn't spawn a team of coders and testers

[jagged agate]

it was an italic I 😁 I grow on trees
(the proper bot command is !getMPTeam iirc)

[tired jacinth]

If you're going for a more of a dialog driven story it's also way easier for it to make sense if there's only a single player in the game.

Coop can be PITA to handle all the players at once.

[pastel nest]

yea thats also true

[jagged agate]

[ WAITING ON ALL PLAYERS TO BE PRESENT ]

[cerulean ferry]

Expeditionary Forces Creator DLC was just fully released for Mac, after its client port got updated to 2.18. This took much longer than we'd planned, sorry for the wait. Use -mod=EF to manually load it.

[pastel nest]

thank you! great to hear 🥳

[pulsar shard]

Nice!!!

[raven axle]

On the Amphibious assault vest, i noticed some kind of tablet modelled on some vests...is it like a UAV terminal or some other purpose?

[jade cargo]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Team_Awareness_Kit

[raven axle]

So basically the ingame map then lol

[jade cargo]

Pretty much, yeah. Plus some more sophisticated stuff.

[stoic marlin]

USS Takmyr Welldeck door panel doesnt seem to work when I run it on MP server is this just me or is it a bug?

[pastel nest]

no it's a bug, it will be fixed in the next build

you can change it with the attribute menu in eden right now

[pseudo oar]

Hi, thx for the CDLC, its great and I can recomand it to every one. It expands and enchances the whole arma 3 expirance and its absolute lore friendly. Love every addition and the ability to also use it on tanoa. The only caviat I have with it is the lack of CSAT and AAF counterparts.A Hero is only as good as the antihero is. If the Marines CDLC is getting any post launch support, I would wish for at the number 1 spot. Static and or lory based ASM launchers as lore friendly and CDLC friendly targets. They would make for supper kick ass targets to destroy for Force recon forces prior to a invasion. Static Ships for AAF a korvet style ship with turrets or and or landing ship. Like how do the AAF move heavy forces from island to island?! Maybe a LST for the AAF?! For CSAT maybe some big strategic transport plane would also make for some good ambience/targets. SOme more civilian ambiance units. More lorys for like transporting goats/animals lorys with dumbers for sand/ore lorys for grain. We have a small van destructed object for a car that is not in arma 3 . Why is no one giving NATO/Westernf orces a proper MBT? Please, no more Merkava. Can you make a modern MBT to be used for the USMC? More ambiance objects for like tents that can be put in tents, kinda the combat patrol tent. Over all super CDLC, love every bit of it. Thanks for that great job, its a ton of joy. I hope you work on other stuff and we see more of you.

[pastel nest]

thank you for the kind words, im happy you like it so much 🙂 development is currently still ongoing, i hope ill be able to share more in the coming months

[pseudo oar]

YAY!!!!

[stoic marlin]

thanks for response thought i was going nuts. the DLC is amazing love it but couldnt find note of this bug so was running in little circles.

[west shoal]

Is there any chance of getting the lifebuoy from the Combat Boat as a standalone prop object (with buoyancy physics, maybe)? It'd be a neat item for naval scenes

[pastel nest]

ill look into it, no promises

[stoic marlin]

The Combat Boat Cradle Teleporter does what? Assume it will tele troops from boat back onto the ship? Looked on google and it appears its still top new to have any info atm.

[pastel nest]

no it is not for that, it's used to retrieve the combat boats when using the rack on an LPD

or anywhere the condition for the loading action wouldn't trigger correctly

https://tinygeckostudios.com/assets/images/mustache-4.webp

you drop the module in the water to define the area for retrieval, sync to one or more cradles, when you drive into the area of the module you'll get the action to load the combat boat back on board

[stoic marlin]

And is there a way to deploy the boats from the cradles? Ran first Op with the ships well deck open today had people jump on to attend after work and had higher attendance then our weekend ops plenty of praise for your work from my playerbase and my thanks once again for being open to communication and providing guidance. ATM I'm using that upper deck area in pic for VLS Bay found cradle on the starboard side Forward section with an animated sliding door but looked a little small for the combat boat lol. Will have to ask what my players want the laser guided cruise missile artillery or more boats. Had players running a logi squad transporting players and ground assets from ship to shore in my operation was great to see your DLC should see more sales in the next week as about ten of my members watching today decided to get it on the basis of what they saw.

[pastel nest]

thanks, im very happy to hear this, it's great to hear how people find the new assets functional and creating new ways of doing things

you can deploy the boats like you normally would, just get in, use useraction menu to unload, the engine will place you in a safe position in water

it does collision checks automatically when handling VIV, the cradle is basically like a big static truckbed

its just hardcoded to only be able to load combat boat type vehicles

the space on the side was meant to fit the smaller RHIBs from arma 2, none of the water assets from A3 could fit in there so i ended up leaving it unused

[radiant hemlock]

anyone know how to get the ramp door to open on the LPD with a trigger or calling it on a script?

ive been trying to find what the addaction calls by default on the ship to open the door but i cant find it

[radiant hemlock]

nvm i got it

private _lpd = nearestObject [thisTrigger, "Land_EF_LPD_hull_02"];
[_lpd, "RearRamp", 1] call EF_fnc_LPDAnims;
playSound3D ['A3\Sounds_F\sfx\alarm_independent.wss', _lpd];

[muted pumice]

Hey chaps - is the USS Takmyr friendly to AI's landing? I can't seem to get any any helo to land on it so far.

nevermind - a hidden helipad did the trick

[pastel nest]

yea it needs some handholding

[tight lark]

Kinda sad EF didn't come with the Marine Ospreys those things are amazing. Are you guys planning to add more things to the EF DLC?

[cunning cedar]

There is an NDA for all CDLC creators so they can't really share anything that isn't fully approved and about to be added or details about long term plans. First one is me second two are Chair.

[pastel nest]

Ospreys were considered but I don't like how vtols handle in a3 currently, also i feel the maps are too small to really get some use out of them

The blackfish can do VIV at least

An osprey would be too small

Also planes dont support slingloading either

[worn zodiac]

not yet

[jagged agate]

Fulton incoming 😄

[modest helm]

Is expeditionary forces like got missions or is it open world ?

[worn zodiac]

It has a SP Campaign and a COOP Scenario. There is also Support for multiple mp gamemodes.

[modest helm]

oh alright

Thanks mate

How many missions ?

[worn zodiac]

3 they are really good imho
The first one especially. Lot of replayability

[modest helm]

Alright thanks

Gonna buy then

Thanks a lot

[worn zodiac]

You're welcome

[tight lark]

I keep forgetting about the NDA. I know the creators can't tell us anything until they make an announcement on the Arma 3 page on Steam.

[cunning cedar]

I believe they can tell us anything as long as BI approved it. I think that Rotators released a few screenshots of new content a few weeks before it was added and it wasn't on Steam.

[pastel nest]

basically we are not supposed to show anything until it's gone through QA in case they're not happy with the quality and set unreal expectations

its very rare tho

also it's in our own interests not to show anything that is "undercooked" so to speak 😄

[tight lark]

I'm trying to find an LHD amphibious assault ship mod and I can't find any. Wanted to use for the EF Anyone know of any?

[pastel nest]

CUP has one

also the atlas LHD

[fringe folio]

Sorry if this has been reported already, but i was just trying out the combat boat (AT) and... would it be possible to add turret stabilisation? it's almost impossible to use the laser designator to aim at anything because of how much the boat rocks from the waves.

[fringe folio]

also can vehicles not be loaded into the LCCs?

[west shoal]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T186846

[pastel nest]

its an engine issue, i hope it will get looked into sometime in the near future

[pastel nest]

yes they can #1312747341920604261 message

[fringe folio]

Thanks, I guess that goes to the expiditionary forces discord? (It just says unknown for me)

[cunning cedar]

It says:
"Q: How do I load vehicles onto the LCC-1 Landing Craft?
A: You can drive any vehicle up to the front ramp, and once in position you'll see "Load Vehicle" appear in the Useraction (scrollwheel) menu. The system is the same as other vanilla VIV-compatible vehicles (Xi'an and Blackfish).
Note that you can load vehicles from the front ramp only due to technical limitations."

[fringe folio]

Ahhh okay I was doing that but from the rear ramp. Thank you!

[pastel nest]

yes it goes to the TGS discord, and yes it only works from the front ramp unfortunately

[cunning cedar]

Why couldn't the load area just go through the entire vehicle and out the other side?

[pastel nest]

because this way the vehicles are unloaded precisely in front of the LCC so when you beach the ship to drop the vehicles you know they'll get dropped in front of you, if you enable 360degrees they may get dropped anywhere, including in the water

besides it doesnt make sense from a gameplay perspective, the vehicles are loaded near the ramp in vanilla, it would be silly to load them from the sides or something like that

you'd think it was broken or too gamey

and the reason why the rear ramp position was disabled is because the game stores the position you load the vehicle from and uses it to drop the vehicle during unload, so you cant do load in the back > unload in the front

[west shoal]

I don't think they meant 360 degrees, I think they meant a narrow zone running from the front to the back, so the front ramp, the internal deck, and the rear ramp would be in the zone, but not the sides.
But that position memory thing rules that out too, anyway.

[pastel nest]

theres a hidden physx box in the middle of the driveable LCC, you cant drive inside it directly

something to do with the animated hull

[tight lark]

Does EF have their own discord server?

[cyan nexus]

yes it's in the pinned ^

[pastel nest]

#channel_invites_list message can be found here as well

https://discord.gg/eMF78KxPrQ

[tight lark]

I forgot about that channel, ty

[cunning cedar]

They really should put the servers at the top because people never look at the pinned messages.

[empty scarab]

@pastel nest For the LCC a passenger seat needs to made to keep It In Auto pilot. In Arma3 All boats can use a type of auto pilot when the drive of any ship (Including APC's) holds the "W" key and switch's to a different seat. This keeps the boat In motion. Not sure If this can be added to the LCC landing craft.

[pastel nest]

i've never heard of such a thing in the game for boats

besides if you're the driver why would you want to switch to a passenger seat?

[empty scarab]

Yes you may test this.

Yes the passenger seat needs to be added for long trips sir.

I can display and show you. This will give more Insight of what Is speak of.

[pastel nest]

if you can record a video of what you mean i can take a look

but this sounds more like some broken AI routine than an intentional feature

[empty scarab]

It should be a feature brother. It makes using the sub nice and smooth along with other boats.

[west shoal]

That sounds like a bug and I wouldn't rely on it.
There is an actual cruise control feature in the engine, and I'd suggest finding a way to make use of that instead (for example: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2791637140)

[pastel nest]

i wouldn't say its in the engine, but many mods do have a scripted solution like that, i know ACE does too

[west shoal]

I would say it is in the engine: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setCruiseControl the mods just provide an interface for accessing it

[pastel nest]

huh i see

from 2.06, i didnt know it was there

[empty scarab]

Its been In arma3 from the start

I am making the video now.

[cunning cedar]

Yes, if you hold W in any vehicle in water (including things like the Marshal) while you switch to another seat, it will keep driving. It makes long trips much nicer because you can go AFK and still be moving. I found a guy in Warlords who sails SDVs all the way around Altis to get to the enemy airfields and camp them with AA even though it takes 20 minutes.

[west shoal]

That doesn't mean it isn't a bug

[cunning cedar]

Even if it was a bug, it doesn't mean it still is a bug.

[west shoal]

........when would "changing to a different seat magically lets you keep the throttle pinned" ever not be a bug?
We have actual, designed-for cruise control now. Use that, don't expect vehicles to be changed to exploit unintended behaviour.

[cunning cedar]

It's just super useful and there isn't really a reason to fix it.

[empty scarab]

Agreed with @cunning cedar It has been around and take the stress off travel by water.

I have been teaching many for years how to use this esp In warlords as bait for jets.

@cunning cedar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuTqVAWps

[west shoal]

I'm not in charge of fixing it. You don't have to convince me whether it should be fixed. But BI might decide otherwise, so you can't rely on it, and since it is unintended behaviour, it's not reasonable to expect assets to be designed to exploit it.
I feel like 50% of each of my messages is turning invisible or something, so I'll say it again: there is an actual engine feature to allow you to make use of this, in an intentional way that will not be removed. Use that, so you can have consistent results, and so you can use it even with vehicles that don't have a second seat.

[empty scarab]

I am sorry. I did not see the rest of the messages you posted. How does one use the cruise control feature. Never knew about this. I checked keybindings.

This will solve this problem as you said without adding more seats.

[cunning cedar]

Scripted solutions are out of the scope of most things. Being able to switch between seats is harmless and will not need any scripting while the weird behavior persists.

[pastel nest]

its just an additional mod, or you can script it in the mission directly i suppose

anyway that looks indeed like something broken in the engine, i don't plan on designing a feature around something that may change with the next arma patch 😅

[upper dove]

@pastel nest tried to contact you several times...

[pastel nest]

what about?

[cyan nexus]

Making map for EF perhaps

[pastel nest]

i won't confirm nor deny 🕵️

[jagged agate]

about your car's extended warranty

[chilly glen]

Ice is a leyend, you would win if you pick up the phone 😉

[flint gate]

Weird Q, anyone know where I can find the expeditionary forces dlc heads/faces in the files?

Basically trying to make one my custom face so I can use it

[chilly glen]

Expeditionary Forces is a CDLC (not a regular DLC), therefore I believe its PBO files are encrypted

[pastel nest]

you should be able to set one of the faces from EF as identity when the DLC is loaded

[flint gate]

It's for if I'm joining multiplayer that isn't running EF on the server, can I use the faces/heads without the EF expansion enabled?

[flint gate]

I've got pbo manager but it doesn't like encrypted ones, is there any way to extract the heads?

[floral halo]

No, they're encrypted

[cunning cedar]

Wouldn't that defeat the point of being encrypted?

[pastel nest]

No unfortunately that is not possible, the game files are encrypted as others mentioned

[flint gate]

Ahh Coolio no worries thanks

[soft portal]

I know people were talking about this a month ago, but the LCC does go into cruise control if you hold, W+shift for a little while. I accidentally found this out when I was doing a long trip with the LCC, and walked away from a computer for a few minutes, and the ship was still driving at full speed when I got back to my PC.

[cunning cedar]

What do you have that bound to?

[soft portal]

I didn't bind anything, as far as I know, it's automatic.

[cunning cedar]

I really doubt it's looking for the keys, so it must be looking for the keybinds and everyone has their keybinds set to different things. What keybinds do you have assigned to Shift and S?

[soft portal]

I'm using default vehicles controls.

I doubt it makes a difference, but I was doing this in the editor. Just get the LCC up to full speed for say about 20-30 seconds, and let go of the controls, that's all I did.

I just tested it with no mods, and in the editor.

W+Left Shift, and once the LCC-1 gets to 75 kph, I can let go of the controls, and it will maintain 75 kph all on its own.

[cunning cedar]

I suppose it's Vehicle Turbo then.

[soft portal]

Yes, left shift is default vehicle turbo

[pastel nest]

didnt think there was a hotkey for autopilot ingame

out of the box at least

[cunning cedar]

It only works for the LCC-1.

[dark silo]

There used to be a dedicated key combo in Arma 2 and early Arma 3 that worked like cruise control for all ground vehicles. It hasn't been around in a long while.

[agile bronze]

in vanilla aye, ACE has both speed limiters and cruise control shortcuts though at least

[queen quartz]

Why is only like 30% of the destroyer enterable?
I’d love it be able to go into the bridge or maybe the galley

[sonic vortex]

people didnt buy the dlc enough for more interior

[cunning cedar]

Not worth the time I guess.

[queen quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-missing-gary-lonely-tears-spongebob-gif-14460070

[pulsar shard]

I really like this dlc but have to say I bought it expecting access to the entire boat. Maybe more dlc would sell if people got what they expected.

[jade cargo]

You could, ya know, read stuff?

[minor dock]

Also you can try even before buy too

[pastel nest]

the ship is quite complex already, more than the destroyer, adding even more interiors didn't make sense at the time

[pastel nest]

the store images show clearly the parts of the ship that are accessible, and if that's not enough you can playtest most of the DLC through the compatibility data 🤷‍♂️

[pastel nest]

to expand a bit more on this, the purpose was to offer the players a way to launch helicopters and other amphibious vehicles from the ship as an offshore base of sorts, the model is very complex as it is already and some compromises had to be made

[pulsar shard]

It’s great as it is but would love to see additional areas accessible.

[pastel nest]

understandable

[queen quartz]

Are there any technical limitations or was it just a time thing?

[pastel nest]

Both

There is no hard limit but having too many textures and polygons in scene is not the best idea

And time because carving out the geometries and modeling all the extra mesh for the other areas would've taken a lot of time

[wanton skiff]

Does the rifle scope in EF have any special features? It's so bulky that I thought would have laser designation, NV or thermal

[cunning cedar]

It has a rangefinder.

[wanton skiff]

Thanks for the info.

[raven axle]

any possible info on future dlc updates?

[minor dock]

No such info can be disclosed

(sorry, I hate that English word)

[pastel nest]

we cant discuss future plans unfortunately

[floral halo]

That kinda sucks, NDAs are cool because you get to do some fun stuff... but never talk about it.

[pastel nest]

indeed 😦

but i think BI's policy is better than the alternative, not being able to show anything in advance beats disappointing people with promises you may not be able to keep

[floral halo]

Yeah true, you should have the ability to show people (I haven't been on the Discord in a while) what's upcoming though, it builds hype and interest, rather than "Here's what we got, now deal with it." etc.

I mean your work is good, but a little preview would be nice

I mean at the end of the day you gotta put out what you got to do, but I mean you're right though, sometimes what's expected isn't what comes out, but in a sense either way you still deal with players discontent, so either way you can't also please everybody too.

[lean lily]

Part of the problem is that sometimes there is ideas that fall apart quite late in development, if those are already teased/showcased you now have a problem with player expectations

[pastel nest]

yea i wont say the process is perfect, i think this was a valuable learning experience for the future, but there is still a fixed pipeline in place, in the case of EF the announcement and closed beta started almost right after QA "certified" the DLC was good to go, and afaik that's how it has always been

so in short if we were to reveal anything earlier it wouldn't have been by much, probably 2-3 weeks at most

[floral halo]

Fair point. Back in the day of LOMAC and so on, when I was a moderator there was the mantra from Eagle Dynamics more of "no promises" and you still had to manage a lot of questions every time there was either an update, and so on, so I get it.

[normal viper]

Posted this in the EF discord as well, but if anyone wants to add Titan NLOS support to their mission, I made a little script

https://github.com/sirloinsandvich/A3-EF-Titan-NLOS-Script/tree/main

It works with the Hunter AT, Combat Boat AT, and the AH-99J Python. It also features a way to add the missile camera

[rare vine]

Exedition Forces DLC Keeps Crashing everytime I enable it and Launch the game

[cunning cedar]

Verify files using Steam and make sure you have no mods or anything running. If it gives you an error, say what it is.

[rare vine]

ok

[rare vine]

Its working

Nvm It keeps crashing

[rare vine]

It wouldn't open at all

[cunning cedar]

What is the last part that works normally? Clicking play with DLC?

[rare vine]

Yeah

But it won't load at all. It'll look like it's about to load up but then it won't.

[cunning cedar]

Look at the Battleye part and also look say any errors that pop up.

[rare vine]

I can't

It won't load at all

[cunning cedar]

What won't load?

[rare vine]

The game itself

[cunning cedar]

The Battleye stuff is a tab in the launcher.

[rare vine]

ok

Wait how do I access that again? Whenever I launch the game it just loads up

[cunning cedar]

What loads up?

[rare vine]

The game

[cunning cedar]

Alt tab to the launcher.

[rare vine]

ok

I'm on Mac book

[cunning cedar]

What are your parameters?

[rare vine]

this is what popped up

It says It's missing executable something

[cunning cedar]

Screenshot it and put it in #arma3_troubleshooting.

[rare vine]

ok

[rare vine]

It's still crashing

[radiant urchin]

Hey there's no way to hide the turret from the LAAD MRAP like you can with the bobcat is there?
I would love to be able to use it as an unarmed command vehicle with the sensors

[pastel nest]

no there's no provision for that

[dusty arrow]

Why are none of the MJTF / EF helos available with folding rotors? The hangar bay in the LPD or rather the hangar door opening is quite small for anything but a littlebird. Even the MQ-12 barely can make it out.

[dusty arrow]

Jax the Joker. That's why I write with folding, not foldED. Pack/Unpack call it whatever you may

[pastel nest]

because there is no way to tow them ingame

i did think about it, but once you drop them there you cant move them anymore

if there was towing i would've probably implemented them

[dusty arrow]

I see. Makes sense.

What would you suggest to put into the hangar? Service vehicles or just "fluff" / decoratioN?

[pastel nest]

possibilities are endless 😄 you can even put helicopters with simpleobject enabled and hide the main rotor

of course natively the hangar is meant to fit 2 ospreys or hueys/venoms, if you play with cup they should fold and fit correctly

and conveniently there is towing in the mod 🙃

[cunning cedar]

EF secretly made just to promote CUP!? 🤯

[pastel nest]

maybe its the other way around 🕵️

[dusty arrow]

Ah right the little white tug 🙂

[pastel nest]

towing tractor, yes

[cyan nexus]

or simply

[pastel nest]

The new patch is now live! 🥳

[cerulean ferry]

Congrats on the anniversary and new update

[pastel nest]

thank you!! 🫡

[minor dock]

Hold on? Did we miss the birthday already?

[pastel nest]

nope, the anniversary is today

[chilly glen]

🥳 🎂 🥂

[soft portal]

Congrats on the anniversary, and the update Chair, that new SMG looks pretty cool.

[pastel nest]

thanks mate 🙂

[crisp flint]

Official servers with Arma 3 EF CDLC were updated , there is some technical issue with USNY server so those will be available later (no ETA)

[pastel nest]

alright thank you!

[severe temple]

Out of curiosity what's the Gyra based on?

[cunning cedar]

Italian Puma 6x6 APC, this: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dmbv7ef7lc0 , BTR-4, and HJ12

[pastel nest]

the vehicle is the puma, only the turrets are (vaguely) based off of that other stuff

[severe temple]

oh neat, i've never heard of this guy before

[nimble latch]

Congrats on the release of the update.

[pastel nest]

Thanks 🫡

[fallen mica]

Why do woodland units use coyote gear instead of woodland or olive?

[pastel nest]

cause marines use coyote gear with woodland irl also so it made sense

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2023/10/1200/675/MARINE-TRAINING.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[fallen mica]

Any idea why they do that?

[fallen mica]

I was thinking the same 🤣

[pastel nest]

the army doesnt have this problem because they have a single uniform camo, marines still have woodland and desert uniforms so it probably makes things easier

[cyan nexus]

"ALL MUST MTP" - The Army

[fallen mica]

I've tried them on Linovia and coyote gear really stands out in woodland environment. It's fictional version of a unit. I doubt anyone would care, if all gear was woodland on woodland classes. But I guess it's too late for change like that anyway.

[shut warren]

It's more fun

[pastel nest]

that's definitely an incredible feat

do you have any additional mods loaded?

it shouldn't be possible because the turret config explicitly clears any additional turrets nested inside the main turret

[pastel nest]

if you find a way to replicate this with just EF loaded let me know 🫡

[pastel nest]

ok but how do i replicate it? is there some specific sequence of actions to get that to happen?

maybe i know what you mean, they were marked as observers in the UI where the team members are listed? if so that's just a quirk of the engine

they're sat in the rear seats where you can turn out of the hatch and fire from the vehicle

cant think of anything else

[tranquil nova]

Sorry for quoting you out of context but would it be possible to add in Expeditionary Forces CDLC the Mi-290 Taru to the pacific CSAT with green hex as camo?

I know its not part of your CDLC but BI didnt bothered about it since Apex released and the pacific CSAT just has no logistics solution for game modes like Warlords

And maybe green hex Taru pods aswell? 🥹

I am currently working on a WL scenario which has no fast traveling and no combat aviation, so the combat only takes place on the ground and NATO has to move its stuff from island to island with the LCC-1 by sea meanwhile CSAT its stuff by air but for that i am missing a transport heli for the pacific CSAT

[tranquil nova]

And it is armed to the teeth and cant transport trucks, Huron containers or the Taru pods

The only thing the Xian can VIV are the fuel barrels on a pallet and the fuel bag but none of the other CSAT vehicles can load them

The Xian is the worst imaginable transport plane possible, it cant transport any supplies or supply vehicles nor anything else vehicle related except a Quad, Quilin and Gyra which have logically no supply versions, to me the whole pacific CSAT feels like BI stopped caring about continuity

NATO had even without EF CDLC a working supply system but CSAT just dont at all if you cant use the Taru bc of its camo not fitting in jungle environment

[pastel nest]

the taru is a dlc asset, the apex units are also dlc assets, so i wouldn't be allowed to do that other than a simple texture in the virtual garage

[void turtle]

-# Sounds like a perfect opportunity to make Expeditionary Forces - Playable Content Plus 😉

[pastel nest]

but that's not very relevant to my dlc? 🤔

[fallen mica]

That's what Aegis does, but dunno if it does anything taru in particular.

[tranquil nova]

Well thats sad to hear, would a logistics plane or heli similar to the Mi-26 be in the scope of EF CDLC?

NATO got the Blackfish and with Contact DLC the VIV trucks but CSAT hasnt even VIV trucks, would be great if CSAT finally gets more expeditionary capabilities than what BI left us with

[dark silo]

CSAT does have a VIV helo in the form of the tilt-fan jet from the Tanoa DLC. It's interior is far more restricted compared to the Blackfish but it's there.

An Mi-26 would be a neat addition. That thing is huge compared to other helos currently in the game. It's size is closer to the before mentioned Blackfish. Truly a cargo helo.

I definitely couldn't say if the Mi-26 would fall into EF's scope though. The marines don't have a designated cargo helo currently either. That honor would go to the CH-53 but that is neither part of vanilla nor EF. (GM 😉)

I quickly looked into it and a better pick would probably be a Changhe Z-18 for the CSAT marines. It would be an equivalent to the marine's current CH-67.

The Z-18 is a looker, too. Unlike the Mi-26. 😂

[tranquil nova]

Yes this Z-18 would look good in CSAT but is ofc smaller than the Mi-26 which can transport loads up to 20 metric tons VIV and slingloaded which would include also fuel trucks and APCs, so exactly what the Blackfish is capable to aswell

[tranquil nova]

If transport helis/planes arent in the scope of EF there would be still the possibility of giving CSAT a landing craft, maybe aircushion based like the chinese Type 726 which is 33m long and can carry max. 60 metric tons, 20 tons less than the L-CAT which the LCC-1 is based on but still a perfect addition

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/type-726-image01.jpg

[tranquil nova]

At the end imho CSAT really needs a counterpart for the Blackfish, no matter if it flies or floats, it should just be possible to transport a good ammount of CSATs vehicles on maps like Tanoa without having to ditch your vehicle bc the next objective is on another island

Something BI should have thought about while creating the Xian tbh

[minor dock]

For technical perspective, we don't have a possibility of an aircushoned/hovercraft vehicle unless they make an improvements into the game engine, which is less likely. About Xi'an, I heard it was concepted and made in late development stage of Apex Expansion which results the poor aappearance in the Apex Protocol campaign (alongside of Blackfish, both are effectively done the appearance as a prop, not a vehicle). VTOLs are anyways a neglected good feature

[dark silo]

No disagreement here in regards to the Z-18 being smaller. I recommended the Z-18 as a CSAT marine equivalent to the CH-67. I'd be happy with either. The CDLC teams have done a great job with the helicopters.

[pastel nest]

unlikely at this point, same for hovercrafts which lack the entire framework in game (reason why they weren't made to begin with and i opted for the LCC instead)

there are several issues that make them not cdlc material imo

particle effects aren't good enough/dont work, there are rendering issues with loaded vehicles, physx would be hard to finetune to get a realistic feeling of sliding over the ground (probably not possible)

[tranquil nova]

Yes i agree, pretty much all CDLC helis are fantastic (dont own CSLA) and thats also why i hope one of them will cover the lack of eastern large scale logistic vehicles

[tranquil nova]

Why not a Serna class landing craft, it can carry 45 metric tons and is 26m long? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serna-class_landing_craft

[crisp flint]

Official Arma 3 CDLC EF servers were updated, due to some issues they on #perf_prof_branch server binary , please let me know if there are any other troubles.

[main cape]

not sure why but the 12.7mm ash-12 can use the 9mm magazines from the glock 19x, anyone else seeing this bug?

[minor dock]

#reaction_forces

[faint sparrow]

Main reason to my understanding is that it lets them use two different camos without having to flex the money on the vest

[still thicket]

Rope in Hand coop mission that comes with the DLC

1. One of the trucks is flipped in the landing craft making it unplayable

2. It would be nice if there were map graphics that could be referenced in the briefing. "Escort the dismounts to the factory" ....yeah, which factory? Same comment regarding the LZ that you need to secure. It's not marked on the map. Nor is the location of your final objective.

3. You sit in Kore forever defending against waves of AAF dismounts and some AFVs while a friendly AAV sits in a battle position on the high ground and does absolutely nothing. There's no indication of approaching enemy or the status of their attack. You just wait for a while. Really boring.

4. Some sort of respawn would have been nice .. preferably jump to remaining/available side units ..except the flipped truck, of course.

[cyan nexus]

the flipped truck is probably just arma being arma, restarting the mission may give different outcomes

[still thicket]

The content is all encrypted so I can't even open the mission and fix it, along with improving the quality of life stuff

[minor dock]

You don't, creators do

[still thicket]

I'm just going to remake the whole mission. Will fix the things and improve it.

The defense of Kore is really weird anyway.

A Marine rifle platoon with AAVs doing nothing during an enemy attack? Waiting for a recon truck platoon to show up to save them?

The whole concept is janky

I'll just remake the mission with the US Army saving them. 😉

[pastel nest]

unfortunately making a mission centered around vehicles is hard to balance

if we put too many friendly AIs then they do all the work for you and you sit there doing nothing, if we put too many enemy vehicles you don't have the tools to deal with them, etc etc

this is the first time the flipped truck was reported in over a year since the dlc came out, could be just arma being arma

anyway thank you for your feedback, will look into it

whatever friendly troops are in Kore, they are supposed to join the fight, depending on how fast or slow you get there the ones at the eastern edge of the town will already be in combat when you get there once the AAF vehicles roll in

[still thicket]

I would love to update this mission for the dev team.

There's some QOL stuff that could be improved.

I think Kore is not doctrinal to a USMC Recon Platoon; it doesn't jive with Arma (design), but imagine if the task was to fight to OPEN the road TO Kore, instead of saving a Marine Rifle platoon with AAV support - which wouldn't need saving by a truck platoon?

[winter obsidian]

sounds like a completely different mission already 😄

[pastel nest]

the point of the mission is to showcase the new hunter variants, so your design wouldnt really work

[still thicket]

My design would absolutely work and still preserve the integrity of the scenarios overall goal of showcasing the new vehicles

You fight your way into Kore instead of defending it.

Players are still using the same vehicles. The tasks are just more realistic

[still thicket]

I've already built it, so I'm not sure what engine limitations there would be.

Any other excuses?

[cyan nexus]

nah you do you

[pastel nest]

but you already captured kore in the SP campaign...? in lore the LAV platoon is sent to reinforce the mechanized infantry because that is what is available

if i wanted to make it super realistic the aviation combat element and carrier group would've razed altis to the ground before the first marine even got to see the island

in the end the mission is made to showcase the hunter's mobility and weaponry while maintaining a semblance of plausibility

[soft portal]

Maybe you could just publish your mission to the workshop, and leave it at that.

[golden bloom]

https://careers.bohemia.net/en/open-positions

[pastel nest]

Patch 1.2 is now live! Have fun!

[pastel salmon]

new Jet im guessing is inspired by the IRL CCA program, very cool

[glass stump]

stealth harrier!

[soft portal]

Awesome Chair, can't wait to try out the new drone.

[crisp flint]

forgot to mention (so like 7 hours late) , Official Arma 3 CDLC EF servers were updated, please let me know if there are any other troubles.

[pastel nest]

thanks!

[subtle lodge]

Question

I'm trying to test the QAV-80 in the VR Simulator, but my UAV Terminals (yes, plural, because I've tried all) dont seem to work on it

[cunning cedar]

UAVs don't really work in the VR Arsenal.
I don't remember exactly, but you need to do some weird stuff if you want to be able to use UAVs in there (and therefore to test UAVs with the compatibility data).
I think it's something like using a debug console/Zeus mod to set your faction side to Blufor by script and spawning in the UAV with Zeus.

[subtle lodge]

thanks joe, I'll do more digging on what you said!

Hopefully I wont have to use a very long script for this

[cunning cedar]

It should just be something like [player] joinSilent (createGroup west).

[flat forum]

Sick! Can't wait to try it

[minor dock]

Then don't wait!

[amber marsh]

Also remember its meant to be an array, [player] joinSilent (createGroup west)

[lean lily]

usually easier to just go into the editor, place down 1 UAV operator and the drone you want to fly

[minor dock]

I mean that's restricted, no?

[pastel nest]

thanks!

[prime pelican]

Playing around with the new Harpy Drone. Made me realize how underbaked the drone controls are. Is there a way to get the Harpy to engage a laser target with the Macer missiles? It doesn't have trouble bombing a laser target, and it even seems to dogfight autonomously.

[cunning cedar]

Macer missiles are IR guided and can not target lasers.

[prime pelican]

well that explains that one. Can drones not fire autonomously at IR targets?

[cunning cedar]

They should be able to, but planes in-general have a hard time deciding to fire in my experience.
Regardless, for the target to be a proper IR target, it needs to have its engine on and have driven a little.

[prime pelican]

That has been my experience too

[pastel nest]

IR seekers need the target to have the engine on or be hot

if you spawn an empty tank that's just sitting there turned off it wont be detected by heatseekers

[prime pelican]

In my little test scenario I had a ifv driving around

The harpy just didn't seem that interested in it

[pastel nest]

could just be the AI doing its thing

[prime pelican]

Similar to other drones so this isn't an isolated thing yeah

[pastel nest]

i found that without some explicit commands they just tend to fly in circles and ignore threats

[cunning cedar]

You might be able to specifically order it to attack the target using the drone menu if it's spotted by you or the drone's sensors.

[pastel nest]

you'd have to give them waypoints and handhold them a bit

[prime pelican]

I've tried that. Mixed results most of the time they don't fire at all

I haven't tried with unguided rockets, but I imagine it's the same.

[cunning cedar]

I'd guess AI are even worse with unguided rockets.

[prime pelican]

Manually flying of course is extremely fun

[pastel nest]

some of the routines for drones are kind of broken, for example the AI overrides the commands for collision and landing lights, dedmen had to change some bits in the engine to at least allow manual control while you're piloting the drone directly

i dont think that's already in stable branch, maybe performance

we also had to have the particle effects fixed because their position wouldnt get updated to move with the vectoring nozzles

it works correctly in profiling already

[prime pelican]

I haven't notice any issues when controlling manually

I love how the harpy takes off, is there anyway to make it land vertically automously?

[pastel nest]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/landAt it should work

[agile bronze]

as well as it ever has, does it land as a heli or plane?

[pastel nest]

with that command it should land vertically

[agile bronze]

so in heli mode :), nice

[pastel nest]

yes

[wanton skiff]

I've already crashed 6 of the new Harpies. Have yet to successfully hit a ground target. 😭

[cunning cedar]

How 😭

[wanton skiff]

Really cool drone though. I am just bad with anything in the air.

[agile bronze]

crash into the ground targets 😄 - win/win

[light talon]

It's because the terminals are side specific, as are the drones (BLUFOR), and in the VR arsenal you're on the CIV side. So there's no way for you to connect to a drone. Another way would be to give yourself the hacker attribute, and use a CIV terminal.

[soft portal]

Chair, I'm having trouble with the PiP in the driver's seat of the Gyra when in first person. The three PiP cameras for the driver are much lower quality than in other vehicles, and the PiP is very jittery. I don't have this problem with any other vehicle, just the Gyra. Tested with no mods, and only EF loaded.

Here's a link to video showing the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XS-HuIzEMg

[opal grove]

Marid's viewports are not PiP.

the mirrors are

but yeah i feel like gyra's vieport pips have "hardcoded" refresh rate because the mirrors are in 60fps for me.

[cunning cedar]

Yes, the viewports on the Gyra have to be PiP instead of being transparent (like all other vehicles) for some reason, but I don't remember why.

[pastel nest]

because the viewports are mounted on the hatch which needs to be animated

rather than being in the hull

the lower FPS is because there are several PIPs being rendered in scene

iirc they are refreshed in order once per frame, so if you have 8 PIP sources they get refreshed once every 8 frames each

if its just 1 or 2 they get refreshed once every frame or every 2 frames

its not a very good solution, the only alternative was going to be stripping certain PIP surfaces

or take a very unelegant shortcut and model something different

[opal grove]

oh, because the viewports are actually below the hull, not above it. Did not notice that before

[left prism]

Are you using bboxes[] on the renderTargets?

[pastel nest]

its because they're on the hatch

[pastel nest]

on some of them, yes

the driver ones dont have it, i commented them out, probably there was some other technical issue

like memory points not being animated or something like that

or maybe its because the driver proxy is animated

[left prism]

Assuming it is a confirmed "bug" and not just the OP doing something different, putting bboxes on all PiP's might help, when they're spread around.
There did used to be an issue with turrets and moving camera's which meant bboxes broke the camera movement, but it's obvious during testing (if it is still the case).

[pastel nest]

bboxes were added and then disabled due to other technical issues

if you ask me what issues specifically i dont remember because its been a while

the proxy is animated, im guessing the positions of the bounding boxes werent updated or would give false negatives

🤷‍♂️

its only the driver ones that are disabled

[left prism]

I have a tank with a driver that has RenderTarget periscopes, mounted on moving hatches, when he turns out, which work both turned-in and out, with bboxes enabled.

[pastel nest]

what bug was this?

maybe its related to that

[left prism]

The low FPS on the PiP's that you were discussing with stburr?
I was trying to help with a suggestion as to why your vehicle has that issue, as I've seen plenty with just as many PiP's that don't.

[pastel nest]

There did used to be an issue with turrets and moving camera's which meant bboxes broke the camera movement, but it's obvious during testing (if it is still the case).
this

[left prism]

Just noticed you have renderVisionMode = 3;. Try renderVisionMode = 0;

[left prism]

I don't think it will be relevant to your case - it was a vehicle I worked on with a steerable gun camera fed to another turret PiP. Very niche and not documented any where that I could find.

[pastel nest]

tried changing to 0 but didnt see any difference

i also tried reenabling the bounding boxes and they do seem to work

whatever was causing problems is not there anymore as far as i can tell

[soft portal]

Is there a way to script the harpy to land on the back of the LPD ship?

[pastel nest]

with landAt command it should land like a helicopter

then you can target a specific landing spot

there are memory points for each landing pad since 1.1

*1.2 actually

CHANGED: LPD now has memory points for helipad spots ("helipad_X_pos") to allow AI to land more precisely

[soft portal]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but neither of these work.

harpy1 landAt [helipad_X_pos, "LAND"];
harpy1 landAt helipad_X_pos;

[pastel nest]

use 1-6 instead of X

they're numbered according to the landing spots

[tired jacinth]

don't you need to convert mem point to actual world position first?

[soft portal]

I tried both of these, and neither works with the harpy, or vanilla helicopter.

harpy1 landAt [helipad_1_pos, "LAND"];
harpy1 landAt helipad_1_pos;

I can't get the harpy to successfully land, even on a runway with waypoints from the drone terminal, or a waypoint from the editor. The harpy just crashes into the ground short of the runway.

Has anyone gotten the harpy to successfully land?

[sonic vortex]

"helipadpos"

and probably need to do what veteran suggests too

[soft portal]

I just want to say that I'm not trying to bust your chops here Chair, I'm just reporting testing results, hopefully it can be helpful.

The harpy will not land on a runway with an editor waypoint, or a waypoint from the drone terminal. The Harpy attempts a conventional landing, but always touches down short of the runway, resulting in the aircraft crashing. I tested with no mods, and only the EF cDLC loaded. I'm using the stable branch version of the game. Test were done on Altis,Stratis, and Tanoa.

The Harpy will not even attempt to land vertical no matter what I have tried, the landAt command does not work either on land, or on the LPD ship.

The MQ-12 Falcon will not land on the back of the LPD with either a editor waypoint, or a waypoint from the drone terminal.

If I place an invisible helipad on the back of the LPD, the Falcon attempts to land, but can't complete the landing.

If I place an invisible helipad on the back of the LPD, and use the landAt command, the Falcon will land on the invisible helipad on the back of the ship.

The Blackfish VTOL will not land on the back of the LPD with an editor waypoint. The Blackfish does land vertically on the back of the LPD with an invisible helipad, and a landAt command.

I don't know if any of this is helpful or not, but just thought I would report my testing results.

[pastel nest]

does the harpy land with the same scripting of the blackfish?

at the end of the day its an airplane with vtol so the scripting command that works for one should work for the other as well

[soft portal]

The Harpy will not attempt a landing with the scripting I was using with the Blackfish, it is completely unresponsive to the script command.

This is what I used to get the Blackfish to land on the invisible helipad.

Plane1 landAt [invispad1, "LAND"];

I just tested it again with, Plane1 landAt [invispad1, "LAND"]; in the debug console, and when I execute it, it returns false with the Harpy. With the other aircraft, it returns true.

[pastel nest]

was this in stable branch or dev?

[soft portal]

Stable

[pastel nest]

ok thanks

[stable aspen]

Question, when the harpy is in a hover (vents at 90) and you rotate vents to 75 the aircraft enters a really aggressive pullback maneuver causing it to crash if you're below 150m,
Is there somethin im doing wrong?

[minor dock]

There is something wrong with the configuration but we're still not at the moment to find what did we done

[pastel nest]

im aware of the problem but i dont know if its fixable 😕

[pastel nest]

this will be fixed in the next patch

[pastel nest]

it seems that giving it VTOL creates an invalid combination and the AI gets confused, i tried issuing a land order from the UAV menu and it wouldnt land, disabled the VTOL functionality and it worked

so whatever it is, there's something the AI really dislikes about combining drones with VTOL

even when in direct control using the landing autopilot stops working

normal vtol planes also work with landing autopilot

[soft portal]

If you get about 100 kph forward speed, then rotate the vents, it will not aggressively pull up.

[soft portal]

Ok, I assumed it was something weird going on like that, it's not a big deal, I can always just take control, and land the Harpy myself.

[pastel nest]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T197983 made a ticket, fingers crossed 🙃

[fast mulch]

Does anybody have the Sea Serpent camo pattern?

like in a png form

[pastel nest]

you can find texture samples here https://github.com/ChairborneIT/EF_Samples

[fast mulch]

thanks!

[soft portal]

The MJTF camo is really cool, I'd love to see it for some of the other vehicles, particularly the combat boat.

[carmine dock]

great dlc

[soft portal]

Does anyone know if the side, or rear doors on the Gyra open, if so, were can I find the command for that, I didn't see anything in my quick glance at the configs.

[pastel nest]

they do

[pastel nest]

the rear ramp on the aav9 can also be opened

[soft portal]

Cool, thanks Chair.

[pastel nest]

#arma3_branch_changelog message some progress on ai logic

[soft portal]

Cool, so we may get a fix for the Harpy, and the Mack in the next stable branch update. It's awesome that BI is still developing a 13 year old game.

[minor dock]

Harpy fix is unrelated to AI, though

[pastel nest]

i think he's referring to it being unable to land

[pastel nest]

Expeditionary Forces 1.2.1 Hotfix is now live!
https://x.com/ArmaPlatform/status/2041505221432516828

Arma Platform (@ArmaPlatform)

Creator SPOTREP!
FROM: @TinyGeckoDev
TO: #Arma3 Creator DLC Users
UNIT: Expeditionary Forces
ACTIVITY: Update 1.2.1 Hotfix
SIZE: ~692.2 MB
Changelog: https://t.co/4TJ7THjTEt

X · Apr 7, 2026, 1:15 PM

[crisp flint]

Official Arma 3 CDLC EF servers were updated too, please let me know if there are any troubles.