arma3_editor

[gleaming flower]

one more question

is there a way to control the camera better, especially for interiors and stuff

it is hell trying to position small things, because the camera just goes at a million miles per hour

[smoky river]

Closer to ground you are slower it goes. Scrolling also. Not sure if placebo but ctrl/shift modifiers work?

[gleaming flower]

shift makes you faster

ctrl doesnt do anything

[gleaming flower]

yeah... unfortunately im in the Sky.

[smoky river]

Then... gotta go fast

[viral spruce]

hello, i am new to arma 3 editor
I am using a map but only want to use a small portion of it
How do i put up map barriers so AIs and players cannot move outside an area of the map?

[smoky river]

You normally dont. But nobody is stopping you from building a wall

[prisma oyster]

and CSAT will pay for it

[smoky river]

And server performance

[olive pasture]

Not if it's local only

[smoky river]

But then ai will escape

[scarlet crystal]

Somewhere in the eden preference settings you can change the camera speed and disable the change of speed depending on height

[modern trout]

hey everyone , Im making a scenario and im trying to make it where when you die you insta respawn at base, however when I die it brings me to a wave. I tried following the wiki but any help woul;d be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[smoky river]

Uh what is your respawn type set as

also do you use description.ext? as it can overwrite eden settings

[prisma oyster]

also, note that MP-like respawn does not work in default Eden, you have to start a MP preview

[smoky river]

Also question of my own,
is there a native way to have animal as playable unit?

i want to have someone play as a dog

[spark cedar]

it must be quite hard to do, as it's not something even possible with mods currently
but I've read somewhere it's possible
you should ask the guy who made the combat dog mod

[smoky river]

i can do it dynamically, but that means someone spawns as human, then i can quickly doggify him.
Was just asking if its possible to assign like "Playable" to animal

[scarlet crystal]

in that case nope

[smoky river]

Right... dynamic it is

[modern trout]

Respawn type is infantry im testing in multiplayer I also don’t have a description.ext I tried making one and it did nothing.

[ashen marsh]

Use marker, not module.

[prisma oyster]

use screenshot, too, not mobile photo 😄

[light briar]

I never played with triggers, but I find today that there is no thisList in the deactivation. Do we have to store the list of units inside the trigger by ourselves? Any recommendation?

[smoky river]

thisTrigger setVariable ["muhList", thisList]; and recall it in on deactivation?

[light briar]

this is what I am going to do, but so surprised to see that it is not implemented by default.... am I missing nothing really? (I though it was not the case in the past)

[smoky river]

It was, mind you deactivation is called only on repeating triggers. Also example, if you had "Present" as condition, what list would it give? Anything that isnt present?

[light briar]

sure. Something that was removed from the list.

[smoky river]

For present, that would always have to return empty array, and that would be kinda pointless

[light briar]

indeed if it is not implemented.

[modern trout]

lmfao I knew my laziness would get me called out! 🤣

[high token]

can someone help me? i got this bug where in editor when i wanna change loadout, i choose everything, gun, scope, uniform, helmet, vest... but when i go play character the loadout i gave solider just vanishes and returns back to normal loadout before i edited it

[smoky river]

Do you use mods like CFP? That have randomisation enabled by default?

[high token]

all those

i dont think there is that

[smoky river]

Gotta catch them all eh? Also at least 3 screenshots are the same

Are you trying to edit unit loadout and then play in multiplayer with spawn screen?

[high token]

no

im trying like im in zeus editor singleplayer and when i click play chrt it changes loadout to drfualt

[smoky river]

Odd, shouldn't do that by default. You sure you apply loadout? Like if you look at character in zeus it has changed gun etc?

[high token]

this is what pops out before i start game and changes loadout

[high token]

yes

[smoky river]

That error should change loadout back.
Then only reason why it does that, is some mod you have

[high token]

i don't know what mod tho

it keeps doing that

[smoky river]

Me neither, its on you to figure that one out

[high token]

u have any suggestions how?

[smoky river]

remove some mods and try then?

[high token]

okay

[gleaming flower]

does anyoen know if there's a way to force an object to load at any distance?

[prisma oyster]

yes, you can use setFeature

[gleaming flower]

for example, if i want a massive monolith visible at all times, is there a way to force load it, ignoring render distance?

oh!

[prisma oyster]

wait, wrong name 😄

[gleaming flower]

setFeatureType?

[prisma oyster]

yup

[gleaming flower]

so itd be

[prisma oyster]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setFeatureType

[gleaming flower]

variablename setFeatureType 2;

and that'd make it visible at terrain distance

or

[prisma oyster]

ye

[gleaming flower]

Awesome! Let me try it.

pah, doesn't work for what i wanted it for, but

it's still useful to know for other things

[gleaming flower]

if i were able to edit the skybox that'd be perfect for it, but i dont think i can do that without a whole new map

[brittle dune]

I'm having an issue with AI in this mission. They're hidden with simulation turned off in the beginning of the mission but a trigger shows them again. They're being shown and the other AI work but this group doesn't move for some reason. Anyone know a fix?

[scarlet crystal]

Turn on simulation again?

[mild swan]

How can I make a helicopter formation fly like in 'Black Hawk Down'? I've tried grouping the pilots, but they just collide and crash.

[plain gale]

That's pretty difficult. AI is quite bad at that.

[ashen marsh]

https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/191043-jboy-fly-in-formation-released/

[eternal lava]

More reliable to Unitcapture them i feel

[fleet thorn]

does anybody here know how to make custom masks for arma 3? and if so if you dont have time to explain is there any videos?

[scarlet crystal]

What masks

[prisma oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-batman-the-animated-series-suit-up-mask-up-mask-on-gif-24677275

[fleet thorn]

like balaclavas and glasses and stuff like that

[scarlet crystal]

And you want to model new ones, or do retextures of existing ones?

[fleet thorn]

well i would like to make a few masks (or all) of the COD Ghosts masks

as u can see from my pfp

[scarlet crystal]

This does not really answer my question

[fleet thorn]

so new models id assume

[scarlet crystal]

Ok

https://youtu.be/BfS9fBOE7Gw

[fleet thorn]

that was fast

[scarlet crystal]

And use #arma3_model for any questions as people tend to stick to specific channels and this one is editor related

[scarlet crystal]

It's my fav tutorial for this, saved it on YT

[fleet thorn]

alright perfect thanks alot honger

[spark cedar]

isn't recreating COD assets will violate ip ?

[prisma oyster]

re-creating close by guesstimation, no, ripping, yes

(afaik)

[cosmic condor]

How do you set up a module to activate on a trigger and then have a second trigger deactivate it.

I am trying to make a beam module turn on at around 250 meters from a location and then turn off when players are at 50 meters.

[spark cedar]

when a player enters a trigger, it fires something, like "yourvariable = true;", simply make the other trigger fires "yourvariable = false;"

with the right conditions, ofc

[cosmic condor]

Should these triggers be connected to the module, one, both, neither? I have the activation set to any player, present.
I can get it to trigger and activate but nothing is able to turn it off which is what I am struggling with.

When both are connected, it is activating on the trigger I have "Beam = false;" and doing nothing on the "Beam = true;" trigger.

Module variable is named Beam

[spark cedar]

name of the module isn't the name of the variable
also, most modules do not have an "on/off" function, you'll have to "manually" turn off the variable
the steam workshop page may have the variable of the module, or a link to a wiki that has it

if not, it's a dive in the files of the mod (using pbomanager), find the right file and inside find the variable's name

[mystic musk]

Can I edit a vehicle’s properties in the Eden Editor using code?
Speed, acceleration, torque, etc

[spark cedar]

you can place code in their init

not everything is supported tho, some lines belong in the config file

[dawn lotus]

No, those kind of changes would have to be done by modding the config files of the vehicle.

[granite willow]

I've seen some commands on bi wiki

At least you can lower max spead for sure

[rotund blade]

That one's only for ai if you mean limitSpeed

[granite willow]

found this script to limit speed for a vehilcle

if ( not isServer ) exitWith {};
myWantedSpeedLimit = 10;

this spawn {
private ["_speed_vector", "_speed_dir"];
private _vec = _this;

while {alive _vec} do
{
_speed_vector = velocity _vec;
if ( ( vectorMagnitude _speed_vector ) > ( myWantedSpeedLimit / 3.6 ) ) then
{
_speed_dir = vectorNormalized _speed_vector;
if (local _vec) then
{
_vec setVelocity (_speed_dir vectorMultiply ( myWantedSpeedLimit / 3.6 ) );
} else
{
[ _vec, (_speed_dir vectorMultiply ( myWantedSpeedLimit / 3.6) ) ] remoteExec ["setVelocity", _vec];
};
};
sleep diag_deltaTime;
};
};

[rotund blade]

dirty but technically works yes, although you should ideally be doing this wherever the vehicle is local instead of remote-execing the command so frequently

also the sleep diag_deltaTime there is completely unnecessary

[final hill]

hi
i was wondering how to setup a trigger when so that when players are detected by the enemy (blufor), it plays a soundtrack
soundtrack is in base arma

i set it up like so but when i tested it and engagement started no track played

[prisma oyster]

set the type to opfor (or indfor) depending on the attackers

[final hill]

ty that did it, in this it fires when the players detect the enemy

[prisma oyster]

didn't you want it happen when enemies spot players?

invert the conditions if that

[final hill]

yeah i was initially trying to do that, i wanted to understand how the trigger condition worked in regards to detection

ty

[nimble fox]

Hi! Tell me, even though I have 1,371 hours on Arma 3, 80% of which was spent on Eden Editor, I don't know how to get AI to stay in a trench (like staying there to defend it). I know that Arma isn't really a game designed for positional warfare, but still. In fact, most of the time, the AI doesn't stay in the trench because they reorganize themselves into formation (the basic arrowhead formation), you see? Do you have any solutions or mods to suggest?

[plain gale]

disableAI command is your friend.

[smoky river]

this disableAi "PATH"; into ais init field

[nimble fox]

Second question about trench compositions. I downloaded an add-on called "Brasko's Trench." The mod isn't very important since it does the same thing to other compositions of this type. Basically, the composition is completely messed up. The objects that make up the composition "fly" and end up almost all on the same vertical plane. Even when using the feature to reposition the elements ONE BY ONE, the composition ends up looking bad (because I didn't build the composition myself, so it's much less well done than the initial result it's supposed to produce). Same question, do you have any advice or mods to fix this (I haven't found any, but you never know)?

[gaunt wigeon]

Hello guys,

is there a way to disable the ACE function to join other groups by interacting with them but still keep the function to assign yourself to team red or a different colour?

[kind prism]

Use the terrain/surfaces snapping toggles to prevent z position changes.

[eager rapids]

trying to make screenshots i the editor but cant remove this from my screen

and also change FOV

[small patrol]

Unload whichever "KAT"

[lethal pulsar]

KAT would likely be KAT medical, based on that path and the other stuff in the error
I'm a bit surprised that there's a script error, since I've played with KAT medical for quite a while with no script errors that I can remember
But for screenshots, just unload it unless you absolutely need its assets for the scene

[rotund stump]

how do i change the ammunition type in ground vehicles?

[fresh oracle]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addMagazinesTurret
and
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/removeMagazinesTurret

[polar pawn]

So, I'm attempting to keep certain heavily-customized vehicles unloaded from a server until a player needs them. To do that, I've set up something where they can interact with something via a hold action, and a vehicle with the model hidden and disabled simulation will be un-hidden and have simulation re-enabled in front of them.

The big question is, does this actually help? Can I really just hide and disable simulation on vehicles like this? Does that combination essentially reduce their performance impact to zero, or am I going about this wrong?

The code I'm using, for context:
Humvee_1 enableDynamicSimulation true; Humvee_1 hideObject false;

[small patrol]

certain heavily-customized vehicles
What kind of?

[slow jewel]

why not just spawn the vehicles in when the player gets near a marker or trigger: i myself never use enableDynamicSimulation or disenableDynamicSimulation: there's many ways to spawn enemy and vehicles into the mission at any time you need

when my missions start there's nothing on the map: sep for some markers: and the players: and some blufor vehicles: then of course all the stuff gets set up auto on the mission: by the scripts and functions and EventHandlers: and all the diff init files: then we read the briefing and move out: and see what we run into 🙂 just like in real life 🙂

no Zeus no mods and no DLC 🙂

theres lots of vanilla missions you can take-a-part and see how they did things to learn this

[polar pawn]

I don't know how to spawn in anything that's not bog-standard vanilla or customized in any way. That's why I was trying to work around that as much as possible. I use a lot of compositions and units that have entirely customized loadouts, with vehicles that have a lot of changes to their attributes, and I could never find a way to spawn those in without doing it the manual way.

[slow jewel]

@polar pawn Every enemy in my mission has customized loadouts: and i spawn them in all day long: if you would like to get on voice i can help you with that mate

its the same as you would do for vanilla enemy or vanilla vehicles: all you have to do is put the "name" like ```sqf
"O_Soldier_F" or "O_G_Offroad_01_Armed_F";

i remember back in the day when i did use mods: "i think T-Rex was alive" 🙂 it was the same thing as like in vanilla

but diff "names" 🙂

IIRC 🙂

yeah i think im right unless you have ACE or stuff like that

i dont know about ACE or any thing like that

[nimble fox]

Yo, I'm back with my questions, folks!

First question: some units in Eden editor have the arsenal impossible to change, no matter what I do, it returns to their initial gear and weapons. Do you have a solution against this or is it some kind of protection from the modders not to steal their work?

Second question: I'm pretty sure I've already been able to change the speed of vehicles by going into their personal settings, in the same way as changing fuel or ammunition levels, you know? I can't find this feature. Do you have a solution for that?

[plain gale]

1. Probably some mod issue
2. Waypoint attribute or group attribute

[little bobcat]

First question: some units in Eden editor have the arsenal impossible to change, no matter what I do, it returns to their initial gear and weapons. Do you have a solution against this or is it some kind of protection from the modders not to steal their work?
Some mod might run a script at unit init that sets their loadout to something specific or random. Usually there is an option either through Addon-settings or in the unit itself to stop this.

[cunning epoch]

By any chance does anyone know how to remove the script/debug errors when launching a mission in SP from the Editor?

[smoky river]

Fix script errors and they should go away

[cunning epoch]

So there's no way to just turn it off?

[scarlet crystal]

No

[cunning epoch]

Thanks

[spark cedar]

about your second question
it may be something from 3den enhanced, but in attributes you can set a max speed

[final hill]

been facing an issue on dedicated server
a trigger sets a task as completed normally on SP/MP but fails to complete it when testing on dedicated

on SP/MP task works fine

on dedicated server the same task fails to complete the task

[turbid olive]

tick server only on that trigger and see if it works, and let us see the syncs between trigger and task

[final hill]

will do, i'm testing now using call BIS_fnc_taskSetState and see if that helps then will use "tick server only" method

[turbid olive]

When I make tasks like these, I always let server handle it

with my little knowledge, I always think that those 3den placed objects are server objects

[final hill]

That function worked well, I’ll keep in mind to try server only next time

I always thought task state modules were good to work in any environment

[turbid olive]

I use them a lot when I make missions

[spark cedar]

I'm no expert, but don't you have to tick the "server only" checkbox in the trigger ?

also, is your "set task state" module linked to your "create task" module ? it may understand locally it has to impact the only current task but not in dedicated

[final hill]

Yeah they were linked

[gentle mason]

Is there a practical way to remove the Town Name road signs from Altis? Having an absolute dog of a time trying to get their IDs.

[prisma oyster]

pop a tank on them :^)

[fresh oracle]

You can't find their classnames?
Try teleporting yourself near one using the Splendid Camera or whatever it's called and executing

(nearestTerrainObjects [player, [], 10], true, true) apply {typeOf _x};

[slow jewel]

Sticky joe: did u mean to send this to me in mentions ?

i guess you did not mean too 🙂

[fresh oracle]

What? Why?

[slow jewel]

for some reason the last thing was in my mentions

i don't know why

its ok tho NM

[tight ledge]

Im very new to composition building in editor but figured out some things but need a little help with this.

made an atgm attach to the vics hull but when firing it gives the attached message?

vics init:
this addWeaponTurret ["rhs_weap_TOW_Launcher_static",[0]];
this addMagazineTurret ["rhs_mag_TOW2a",[0]];

[prisma oyster]

all this is fine
where is this code coming from?

[tight ledge]

Lavv4 init:
this addWeaponTurret ["rhs_weap_TOW_Launcher_static",[0]];
this addMagazineTurret ["rhs_mag_TOW2a",[0]];

Jav4 init:
[this, invi4] call BIS_fnc_attachToRelative;

invi4 init:
invi4 attachTo [Lavv4,[0,0,-2.95] ,"OtocHlaven", true];

Code is from an composition with different vehicle (trying to learn how i can do these myself)
Tested the original composition and it worked no errors

[prisma oyster]

it's not a BIS_fnc_attachToRelative error, so… it's something else
given _m_pos and _target_pos, I would say mod script

[tight ledge]

Interesting, i got it to work, thanks for the info

[crimson lake]

just wanted to ask, where do i find the arma 3 jets dlc's aircraft carrier? i can't seem to find it on the list, i can't spawn it on my custom made campaign

[prisma oyster]

somewhere in structures I believe
doesn't "carrier" search bring it up?

[crimson lake]

let me check

[crimson lake]

it's there ahha thanks so much

[grand cypress]

This has been probably asked 100 times already, but is it possible to use the Contact assets (+aliens) in "normal" Arma? I do own the DLC ofcourse. I havent found any mod to do this.

[ashen marsh]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Alien_Entity_Behavior

[hollow osprey]

Could you help me make a arma 3 movie based in the Vietnam war I can let you know what I need

[grand cypress]

Sorry, I dont have spare time. Check youtube tutorials etc. It's not so hard.

[hollow osprey]

OK, thank you for your time

[grand cypress]

So the answer is no?

[scarlet crystal]

Aliens are behind the DLC encryption.

Livonia assets are available without it though. Some are not in eden editor but you can spawn them or use mods that do this.

O&T Expansion Eden for example.

[fresh oracle]

Contact isn't encrypted anymore.

[grand cypress]

O&T is new for me. Thanks. I'll try that.

[grand cypress]

No Alien assets on O&T also...

[grand cypress]

What do you mean by this?

[fresh oracle]

Arma 3 and its DLCs started out as encrypted EBO files and over time were turned into unencrypted PBO files.
IIRC, the alien models are only in the optional part of the DLC and not in the platfom part.

[grand cypress]

Ok. It's strange that there is no alien "unlock" mod for "normal" Arma 3. Or perhaps I'm the only one who wants one 😬

[scarlet crystal]

iirc most stuff in contact dlc campaign is considered experimental hence its missing in the base game

it took people years to figure out how to script the radio frequency detector thing.

[fresh oracle]

I'm pretty sure it's not possible.

[grand cypress]

Yeah, it seems like it

[jovial ingot]

If I want my suicide drones (Crocus) to respawn when used, what module can I use for that? tried the vehicle respawn but getting some error about the drone isnt a vehicle (well duuuh haha)

[grand cypress]

I'm not familiar with modules, but in Arma language drone probably is a vehicle.

[prisma oyster]

a drone is a vehicle driven by invisible AI(s) 😬

[half spear]

Hi! I found this MOD LR Modern Armed Forces of Russian Federation-full or lite is causing those AI marks on the screen. Any ideas how to disable them?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. 🙂

[silent temple]

I'm having an issue using Deformer and while my mission runs fine on my local machine the moment it goes to my server it doesn't save the terrain changes. I've reinstalled all the mods on my client and server, re-exported the mission but nothing seems to be working. I've never had issues in the past but the last 3 days I can't seem to get my deformer missions to work. Any advise?

[primal wave]

I do not use the Deformer mod. So troubleshooting advice here is limited.
The scripting command that it uses, setTerrainHeight , needs to be synchronized in multiplayer. That requires a lot of data to be transferred and checked. It might be bugging out because of that.

When you are in Eden Editor, and you play the scenario in multiplayer, do you still have the same issue?

====
I have my own question. I have forgotten something straightforward after years of not publishing missions.
My problem: when publishing a scenario from Eden Editor to Steam Workshop, it does not have an image.
In the publishing menu, you can select "predefined" and "browse". Predefined does nothing, despite description.ext specifying the onLoadScreen,onLoadMission, and overviewPicture.
Browse lets me search and select photos on disk. The game does not show my carefully formatted .paa, .png, and .jpg images, which are all sized x^2 by y^2. The game does show various other jpg images of various resolutions and aspect ratios.

My question:
What is the correct image filetype and aspect ratio for Eden Editor to select as a Steam Workshop image?

[plain gale]

I think 16by9 PNG or jpg

The x^2 rule doesn't apply there.

[scarlet crystal]

Ask the mod author?

[plain gale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/526hq1/exact_size_of_workshop_thumbnail_and_preview/

Here is some more information about thumbnail size.

Tldr...16:9 should be fine..steam handles the scaling

[primal wave]

I've resized the picture in question to 16:9 (2048 x 1150) in both .jpg and .png. Restarted Eden Editor and Arma 3. Still doesn't appear as option.

Following your link, if I resize it to exactly 636x358 pixels in .jpg, then it works. How tedious.
This link didn't appear in my search results, nor when I typed this question in Grok AI.

Thank you very much for the link!

[silent temple]

Yes unfortunately it only occurs when I load it on to my units server. I've reloaded all our mods on there so I wasn't sure if anyone else had encountered similar issues

[plain gale]

Interesting. Guess that's an issue with publishing from Eden editor.

You could also upload the thumbnail after publishing directly in the workshop.

[thorny flame]

hi there! can anyone tell me how to save as SQF in the 3DEN editor? perhaps iam blind but i only be able to save as SQM atm...

[grand cypress]

What I'm doing wrong here. I want to be able to disarm mines. I put players init: this setUnitTrait ["explosiveSpecialist", true]; this addItem "ToolKit"; but the player is still unable to disarm mines.

Doesnt work even with Eden Enchanced when ticking the right trait... seems like its bugged.

[prisma oyster]

you need to have the mine spotted, try pressing T to "report" it perhaps?

[grand cypress]

With vanilla mine specialist you dont need to do anything and the disarm option appears.

[prisma oyster]

mod interference maybe then

check with getAllUnitTraits if that unit still has the trait in runtime

[grand cypress]

Yeah probably. I tried using delayed script to add the trait but no avail... not a dealbreaker just thougt I missed something

[small patrol]

Unless you load ACE

[grand cypress]

Yeah, I dont like ACE so I dont use it.

[queen vapor]

There is no native way to "save to sqf"

You might want to look into compositions?

[jovial ingot]

Ok, but it's weird that it won't work, do you have any idea what other module to use?

[prisma oyster]

if this one does not work, there is not another (vanilla) one so scripting it is

[grand cypress]

Wouldnt it be easy to just make a trigger with !alive drone condition and on act. you put createVehicle jadajada ?

[dawn lotus]

I always put the image I want to use in the "Pictures" folder on my C drive, and then use the "browse" option when publishing from the editor, and select the image from the "Pictures" folder. There's no need to define anything in the description.ext file.

[robust nacelle]

Why do people keep asking this D:

[queen vapor]

I hope ease of ai spawning in HC

Otherwise misguided ideas about performance

[split dock]

stupid idea but from using mods, is it possible to even run ur missions in multiplayer?

i have an operation ive been trying to see work

ive been trying to make an operation thats supposed to take place around 2027 and at least make SOME lore off of Altis 😭

nvm i figured it out lol

i should be able to get this operation done

[gaunt wigeon]

Hello guys. I was curious, how you deal with AI getting stuck in buildings. I making a mission in La Trinité and enemy AI is just supposed to roam the streats. Sooner or later though they will randomly enter buildings on their path and quite often they get stuck there. Should i just lock many of those buildings? I would really prefer not having to manually unstuck them as Zeus all the time. Im not using any AI Mods btw.

[slow jewel]

you just have to be more precise with thier path: Ai have been getting stuck for 100reds of years in Arma 3, its a well known issue: thay get stuck on Diff terrains for diff reasons: i had to learn this as well m8 🙂

Ai can get stuck on houses that are hidden and can get stuck in rocks and other places too

sometimes they do the turn-a-round thing where they just spin around and around 🙂

i just try to Avoid them areas where Ai get stupid

like just the other day my Ai guys would not get in the chopper cuz they went deep into a city with me: to kill enemy

they just said no can do lol 🙂

so on places like that i just teleport them to the chopper 🙂

[jovial ingot]

Is there a mod you can suggest that makes the ai use drones against me and my mates?

[slow jewel]

don't need a mod for that just: set that up in the game editor or the Zues thing: like you would having anything against you

why run to mods so fast just try to learn how to do stuff with the game its way funner

if you learn how to do stuff in the game that you want to do: then mods will be way more fun: when you get them

but for me i never use any mods ever: i just try and try to learn how the game works and the ways to do stuff

its real fun for me: i love it plus it keeps my brain sharp: insted of just getting a mod and hoping it all works out

but thats just me: 🙂

[distant briar]

most of your comments arent relevant or helpful and replying to everything just stops others from giving real answers..

[slow jewel]

why does it stop you just do what you need to do m8

you can reply as well

and what do you mean arent relevant or helpful: i beg to differ m8

iv been playing thais game a long time: i do know whats up m8: on most things

and im learning more and more at a super fast rate: so i dont think im going to let you say that: arent relevant or helpful

[simple harbor]

hey so i have a addaction script to detonate a bomb
but doing so causes no damage to anything near it, is there a way to change it? someone sent me the script and i dont understand any of it

this addAction ["<t color='#FF0000'>Detonate Charges</t>", {
"Bo_GBU12_LGB" createVehicle (getPos myBomb);
deleteVehicle myBomb;
}, [], 1.5, false, true, "", "true", 5];

[small patrol]

Make sure is is not blocked by any obstacles, including myBomb

[simple harbor]

I have it set as an invisible helipad indoors, should i move it?

[slow jewel]

(getPosATL myBomb);

[small patrol]

At least you can try somewhere very empty

[slow jewel]

why not just use housePos insted of a invisible helipad

[simple harbor]

ahh that worked, thank you!

[slow jewel]

you bet m8 my pleasure

[crystal minnow]

Guys, is it worth me updating and trying out the Eden Editor in pre release, is it alot better than the current 2D editor or does it need some work still doing to it?

[real glade]

the 2D editor isn't an editor 3DEN is

[rotund blade]

Just out of curiosity - whats with the aversion to mods?

If anything making one for frequent things you use in missions is easier than applying them for each mission independently

[spark cedar]

Some mods are poorly made, you can have bad surprises when using them
Also, some mods behave erratically, don't work or straight make your game crashes when used when other mods
So basically, the less the better
So if there is a way to do it without using mod, it's almost always a good thing

[simple harbor]

hey i have a question, i resized some walls with a script and an invisible helipad but when i go into a actual mission they are all facing the wrong ways

any idea on how to fix it or just hope?

[rotund blade]

that's obvious, im talking about the general idea of mods - that is if you pick well made ones (or make ones yourself) - a script running as a mod and a script running as part of a mission are indistinguishable - what im saying is if you're doing one thing for every one of your missions, just make a mod for it instead

as someone with 8000 hours in arma, eventuallly one gets a taste of "essentials" that you should generally use, and ones to be wary of

[slow jewel]

iv used mods for years and years: and i got so sick of all the erras: and mismatching of modes: and old mods: and well you know: all the stuff that can happen: so i said to my self: its just not worth the pain in the you know what: plus i can make almost anything happen the way i want it to happen in the game: i have no need for mods: so i think if you get Arma: you should play the game with no mods: till you learn about the game 1st: then go get mods after that: but for me: i need no Mods: plus there's no DownLoading of modes: when people join my missions: they are in right a way: no hassle: Np: and bang we are playin 🙂

that's my general idea of mods: 🙂 but hay: if you want to use mods then have at it: its ok with me 🙂

however i do use terrains: but only very few like 3 maybe: if you want to say: that i mod the game though Scripting then yeah:

but i dont want to put anything in my clean Arma 3

and make that 10,700 some hrs for me mate: lol 🙂

oh and when i say i can make almost anything happen in the game: that's with the help of the Awsome guys here in Discord: to witch i learned a lot over the last years:

and lately more so then before 🙂

i had all the Arma games starting from OFP of course 🙂

[copper siren]

How do you make ai hold a positon but instead of jsut disabling their pathing they can only move in a 5 meter radius

[crystal minnow]

Yeah i know eden is a 3d editor I was just wondering if it was worth testing the RC release of it

[hearty anvil]

Testing? ABSOLUTELY.

[slow jewel]

@copper siren are they spawned in enemy or do you just place them on the map

[crystal minnow]

Snap okay I'll download it now 1.3GB shouldn't take long to download 😛

[jovial ingot]

how do I fix so my player unit is respawning with the loadout I had when I died?

[slow jewel]

well there is many ways to do this

[jovial ingot]

ok, do you want to share the easiest way? gonna have a LAN today and dont have the time to learn some haxorskilz

[slow jewel]

oh if its SP then its diff

i can send you a mission with this all set up if you like

[jovial ingot]

I dont know LAN is considered SP =/ haha, Im REALLY new to this

[jovial ingot]

that would be totally amazing

[slow jewel]

yes LAN is SP but you can play LAN MP also

ok i'll send you my 1st mission i ever made ok m8

[jovial ingot]

king! thanks alot!

[slow jewel]

do you know where to put the mission so you can play it in SP

[jovial ingot]

is it in this "C:\Users\xxx\Documents\Arma 3 - Other Profiles\xxx\mpmissions\UKR.swu_public_novogorsk_map ?

[slow jewel]

nope not MPmissions it would be just missions

let me give you the path

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\Missions

if you friend me i can send you the mission

@jovial ingot if you want to play this mission as a LAN MP mission the you would put the mission in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\MPMissions

btw you can host this mission on the net and play with your firends also ok m8

or if you do a LAN party you can LAN MP it and then you will respawn with your loadout

in LAN MP you will respawn with your loadout

[hearty anvil]

Lol don't forget that there's the Game Updater utility in Arma 3 Tools 😉

[spark furnace]

does anyone know why despite placing a high command "commander" module I don't get high command?

[scarlet crystal]

Did you read the wiki article

[cursive echo]

where can I report and ask for fixes for issues for one of the games in this discord?

[scarlet crystal]

Which games

[cursive echo]

arma reforger

[scarlet crystal]

#reforger_troubleshooting

[copper siren]

What is a script to make a group of ai respawn so the LIGHT AI FIRE SUPPORT mods group scan module can scan them every time they respawn and they can be called in again by the ai

[odd yarrow]

Best maps for plane combat?

Including mods of course

[feral hornet]

can i get some help with some mission design using triggers and how to make them flow. Im confused on how they work. i also have some other questions about tying a module to a trigger ot knock the players unconscious for about 10 seconds adn then have all the enemies turn into a dead civilian

[spark furnace]

you might aswell have just not replied lmao

arma community not be insufferable challenge: impossible

[spark furnace]

You'd be better asking this in rimmy's discord as he made it

[fresh oracle]

Did you? It tells you exactly what to do, which is more than what you said.

[spark furnace]

any of the big anzacsas maps, they're like 100x100

[spark furnace]

yes weirdly enough I have

then I come here to ask for help and have to deal with halfwits who can't help but talk down to people asking for help

[fresh oracle]

You need to show exactly what you did do to get useful help.

[spark furnace]

I'll figure it out myself I think, wiki was followed word for word and there's no HC in my mission, but having prominent community members and randoms talking to you like you're ret@rded puts people off of reaching out

[scarlet crystal]

if you can't even reply to a simple yes or no question then who's the halfwit? You stated that you just placed the HC module while wiki clearly lists a few of them and multiple steps.

Nothing worse than trying to help someone but instead you talk to them like you're retarded, it puts the community members off.

[slow jewel]

i never see anyone talking down people: that's not allowed anywhere in Discord

[tacit current]

Hello,

I'm looking into creating my own map markers for Arma 3 eden editor. Anyone has a guide to how to create and add your own map markers into the game?

[plain gale]

You have to make a mod and add them to cfgMarkers class.

Check out the vanilla marker textures to see how they are made.

[steady arrow]

Does 3DEN have the option to export to Terrain Builder?

[queen vapor]

Yes

[steady arrow]

Nice.....

[pseudo cargo]

so err..any chance BI can put that funky widget in to buldozer too? pretty please 😃

[hearty anvil]

@steady arrow Seconding what @queen vapor said: https://i.imgur.com/z2ah3dg.png

[steady arrow]

Sweet! 😃

[onyx scarab]

I'm really sorry if this doesn't go here. I'm making a mission where a convoy interdiction becomes a car chase. Has anyone else done a car chase in ARMA and how did it go?

[prisma oyster]

AI is not known for its "sport" driving; you could "record" the driving and play it, but then the vehicle would be on track and wheels would not turn left/right

[fresh oracle]

I think that's fine for a car chase. It's
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_unitCapture
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_unitPlay

[onyx scarab]

Ah thank you! I'll probably have it end in the car crashing into something so the chase doesn't go too long. As I understand it, the vehicle can't be disabled if it's on tracks like that.

[dawn lotus]

Maybe you could terminate the unitPlay script if the car takes a certain amount of damage.

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/terminate

[shadow fractal]

What's the easiest way to place a respawn on a static ship and it actually work? I'm aware of connecting a respawn to a vehicle so you spawn inside the vehicle, but I'd preferably like to do it another way if possible as the ship I'm using has bunk rooms and I'd like the respawn to be there.

[rotund blade]

Use the module instead of the marker method, never has issues with height using it

Just make aure to tick respawn on custom position and give it a small delay

[upbeat rose]

what exporting to TB, seriously?

[queen vapor]

...yes?

[upbeat rose]

sad thing is i have completley missed that in the editor. wtf

[jovial ingot]

When I spawn in a drone using a script I have, the drone is grey anmd not bluur when looking on the map. does that mean that I cant use it? How can I spawn in a drone that is flyable?
I can choose, from the ace menu, interaction -> get in but the player unit only do a little jump

[spark cedar]

spawn the drone and spawn an AI inside

a drone is basically a vehicle, you need to put someone inside

[jovial ingot]

aah ok, but what do I add to my script if I want a ai in the drone? tried to log class whern it was "blue" but got the same result as without

[spark cedar]

not 100% sure, but I think that's what
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/createVehicleCrew

[jovial ingot]

awesome, will look into that! thanks mate

[gentle pulsar]

How do I change the side a vehicle is on? For example an AA turret.

[small patrol]

Put whichever side's crew in it

[frank turtle]

are the sizes of triggers not accurate

https://gyazo.com/7d6fc75fc593b18b570a666292c4bb0e

tried moving right through this trigger but it would not activate

only works if its lower

even though im clearly inside the trigger

[prisma oyster]

it most likely works with entity's origin (0 0 0 pos), not "a part of" that entity

[gentle pulsar]

hey I realized, compositions are basically minis

I'm gonna make an additional armor of sorts for a tank, put metal sheets all over it

[gentle pulsar]

yay, it works

[kind prism]

Yes, BattleBus / shitty technicals are great. You can also attach stuff to move with parts like the barrel or turret.

[gentle pulsar]

Hey, I saw you made a thingy for ZEN that lets you put parts on turrets and have them move while it rotates, does that thingy apply to Eden as well?

not sure if its part of eden or if zen adds it in

[kind prism]

The Zen stuff only works in zeus of course. In Eden you can script it. My mod Pylon Anywhere has attach options in Eden as well.

[gentle pulsar]

man, you're making mods I can't conceive of playing without

[terse tapir]

is there a way to start a mission without opening the role select/respawn screen, and then have it on any subsequent respawns?

[gentle pulsar]

I see how its done

just need to figure out how to make it so its like attachToRelative

coordinates are tedious

[gentle pulsar]

I don't get it, its supposed to be at the exact same coordinates, when I test it out it isn't there at all

its editor only turns out

[fresh oracle]

I think you're putting in world coordinates vs coordinates relative to the vehicle. Alternatively, you could use BIS_fnc_attachToRelative.

[gentle pulsar]

yeah it works but it doesnt rotate with the turret

it works this way but the coordinates are a pain

[kind prism]

[this, tank, "gunnerview", false] call cba_fnc_attachToBone

[gentle pulsar]

works like a charm

[kind prism]

gunnerview will often be the selection named that orients with main barrel, but not always. you can check config for the actual one. vehicle >> turret >> memoryPointGunnerOptics

[gentle pulsar]

when in doubt, more gun

[gentle pulsar]

extended the turret a bit now it looks a bit more real

[heavy ledge]

Hey guys. Anybody here that knows how to set up a custom respawn loadout? Every time my soldier dies, he respawns with his default loadout and not the custom one I gave him. This is for an Arma 3 multiplayer server. Thank you

[spark cedar]

when we had this issue with a friend, we diddled with the loadout option in 3den -> attributes and with the ACE respawn setting

[plain gale]

https://community.bohemia.net/wiki/Arma_3:_Respawn#Restore_Loadout_on_Respawn

[spark cedar]

doesn't work, we tried
we might have missed something tho, but we are both experienced mission makers and we know how to handle scripts

now that I think of it, maybe a mod we used was the problem
our modlist was quite short tho

[grave thorn]

It's a tad bit broken

At least that was the experience with me

I use
unit1 setVariable ["Saved_Loadout_unit1", getunitLoadout unit1];
In onPlayerKilled.sqf

And
unit1 setunitLoadout (unit1 getVariable ["Saved_Loadout_unit1", []]);
In onPlayerRespawn.sqf

[fossil urchin]

How is that not working?

[spark cedar]

idk, nothing different happened when we added the file to our mission, and exported the new pbo to the dedicated server

[whole grove]

hi I wanted to make a simple insurgency mission and give ai UAVs (like MQ9 ones not fpvs). But if I simply spawn the drone and give it a command it won't utilize it's arsenal (missiles and bombs) for some reason on the enemy. I tried looking online but with modern google I cannot seem to find anything useful. Any help here? I do not want for drone to simply hunt players I want for it to act similarly to infantry ai and make it aware and look for enemies or engage if found.

[spark cedar]

do you use any mod that changes the AI ?

also, where are the drones from ?

[whole grove]

I do LAMBS and LAFS. Any drone does see even the vanilla ones. I do not connect any modules to them yet they still cannot see afaik

[spark cedar]

lambs (idk about LAFS) affects the AI without the need for any module, it may come from there

test it full vanilla, if it works then it's most likely a mod that changes their behavior
if it still doesn't work, then the mission is the problem

[whole grove]

While I do agree to possibility I do not believe this is the case. As I just launched vanilla editor for a sec and drone did not engage anyway. I would believe I have not setup the drone correctly but I cannot find how to online as which is why I am here

[whole grove]

I did it in full vanilla empty mission fyi

[primal wave]

My aim is to seamlessly teleport a player from one ladder to another as they are climbing it.
This would make entrances to underground bases possible without awkward scroll menu actions.

Included is a sketch of my best implementation so far. There are 2 pairs of ladders at each end. Players climb down/up the first ladder, and a trigger places them at the second ladder at their destination. The essential command that does this is:

(thisList select 0) action ["ladderDown", ladderBottom1, 0, 1];

In order to accommodate the player turning back, there are 2 triggers per ladder pair, that turn the teleport on (or off if they turn back). There's one more trigger that teleports players who fall off the ladder. Attached is a VR mission with the set up.

The system functions. The problem is that, when climbing downwards, there is a delay before players are placed on the destination ladder. No matter where I place the trigger, or how large the area it is, or how short the interval, the delay is about the same. This delay is also present in singleplayer. See video for a demonstration in a mission.

Is there a way to make the transition from one ladder to another instant?

If one could crack this method, it would make "underground bases" and large indoor areas viable for all mission makers.

[kind prism]

"easy" answer is since you have to teleport anyway, might as well do a black screen or similar

[primal wave]

Aye @kind prism that is the existing answer.
What I suppose the video doesn't show, is that when I match the positions of the rocks and the ladders, then the 'teleport' is almost unnoticeable from the player perspective.
I just have to make it trigger instantaneously.

[kind prism]

Have you tried actionNow instead of action?

[whole grove]

@kind prism may I ask you for help as well?

[kind prism]

It's not really clear what you want to achieve. How do you want the player to interact with the drone? What changes do you need to make from vanilla behaviour?

[whole grove]

I mostly would like to know how to make ai UAV be able to shoot at targets it spots. I do not know how to do that and my UAV simply loiters around the waypoint without engaging anybody rn.

I believe it is also important to mention that targets are infantrymen (players)

[fresh oracle]

I don't think AI will normally ever shoot missiles at infantry unless you force them to fire at a specific moment.

[whole grove]

ohhhhhh....... Is it possible to make infantry a valid target by placing a script in UAV's Innit?

[fresh oracle]

No

[whole grove]

that is discouraging. But does drone even see enemy infantry? And if yes is it reachable?

[fresh oracle]

It can see like any unit if it gets close enough. WDYM reachable?

[whole grove]

How close? By reachable I meant that I could extract what infantry drone sees to a script. Like I was thinking to make a script that looks through what infantry drone sees and if that infantry is clumped up together shoots a missile

on a cycle not every frame or some bs

[kind prism]

You can create Laser Targets (using designator or script) and the uav should engage those. You'd need to decide the conditions when to expose such a target though.

[fresh oracle]

Probably very close. Usually it's better to find what you want it to see and reveal that unit to the drone by script.

[whole grove]

oh this I mostly know I wanted to know more about how drone sees

[whole grove]

I mean I think I will have to use that option.

I was thinking I would be able to utilize more complex logic though

[primal wave]

That seems to work! Amazing that I didn't find this command in the BIKI. Will post another video in a moment.

[kind prism]

bookmark this =) https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_3:_Scripting_Commands?useskin=darkvector

[sinful zenith]

Today I learned.
On the map screen, you can select the camera and can move it.
If you select the camera and an object in map screen.
Then go back to 3D view and try to move the object, your camera is still selected, so you're moving the object AND your own camera together.

That's very trippy

[prisma oyster]

I knew about moving the camera, didn't know about moving it while in 3D 🤣
wheeeeee

[potent grotto]

is there a way to prevent players from physically leaving an area of the map? i want to make sure my players don't wander off into areas that aren't relevant to the mission

initially i was going to do it with physical walls, but that's just too taxing for the server

[turbid olive]

well it has to be physically?

a 10 seconds warning to kill the player should work

[potent grotto]

that'd do

can't i do something like that with the zone restriction module?

i took a look at it and couldn't quite figure it out, the documentation didn't help me too much either

[turbid olive]

yes you can, it shows a hint for the player iirc

I prefer to make a custom message using cutRsc command or something like that

I don't have an example rn, cuz generally I tend to let the code inside the triggers, but it's not hard to code something like this

[slow jewel]

no that was the cover map modual i was thinking of

i did the Zone restriction with scripting with 2 triggers

and i even show a pic of skull X bones if they get close to the end of the Zone

this is from one of the triggers

picWTri = "images\XBones.jpg"; "" hintC parseText format["<img size='2.0' image='%1'/> Restricted Zone! Turn Back Now!",picWTri];

[hearty anvil]

As per that link, @upbeat rose ... and speaking of Eden Update though not Eden itself: http://arma3.com/news/top-10-arma-3-eden-update-server-browser

[gentle pulsar]

How do you scale down objects?

I'm pretty sure I saw an entry in the menu, but I know you can use setObjectScale to do it

the command works perfectly, its hard to line up the object precisely because its full size in the editor but half size in actuality

[scarlet crystal]

with the command you wrote

[gentle pulsar]

yeah but I'm pretty sure I saw a UI entry that lets you change it that way

and it would work in the editor

nvm

[scarlet crystal]

it's from a mod iirc

3den enhanced probably

does not show for all objects.

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure where to ask this, but I’ve been trying to do this in the editor so here it is…. What is the best approach for rookie to use to set an airport with ambient activity? Misc troops, taxiing planes, ect. I have tried a lot of the AI mods and they are all great, but looking for something more detailed and also that I put together and understand how it works. So any good videos or template suggestions would be much appreciated!

[umbral oak]

There's a mod that also does scaling for multiplayer and it works with 3den enhanced, it's really good in my opinion.

[spark cedar]

Basically, you have to be creative
But you could check the compositions on the workshop

[fringe sphinx]

Yeah, I have looked there a bunch and it’s probably there somewhere. Problem is there are a lot, most of them with no ratings and poor descriptions. I also think what I want isn’t easy to do in way that lends itself to good performance, so there are very few of those mixed in. Was looking for more specific suggestions.

Thank you though!

[scarlet crystal]

Compositions can be loaded without turning off the game if you already have the mods required (if any). If you don't want to check them yourself then perhaps it would be easier if you do it by hand

[gentle pulsar]

it doesn't work

Any way to turn physics off for specific objects?

whenever I spawn my compositions in with zeus it all falls apart

[grave thorn]

Disable simulation of the object

[gentle pulsar]

then it doesn't work

[grave thorn]

Can't have physics disabled and expect it to operate

[gentle pulsar]

then there's no point in putting anything like a turret or static on a vehicle

[grave thorn]

There should be a mod for that

And also, if you are playing antistasi, you should be able to do that

Not certain, but I vaguely remember a feature like that

[gentle pulsar]

its too limited and you can't put it where you want

just where the modders decided it can be

[grave thorn]

There is some scripting you can do in the editor

[gentle pulsar]

it only works in the editor

when you spawn it in with zeus all the attached objects go flying

[grave thorn]

Yea it's not possible with Zeus then

[hushed portal]

Yo

Fellow Arma 3 player my pc broke down it's still getting repaired

I gotta question how do u command the soldiers to get on top of the Vehicle I use mods like RHS.

[grave thorn]

On top? They won't do it, as far as I know

In a vehicle? That is possible

[fresh oracle]

Try the different 4 (get in/out) menu options after selecting the units.

[rotund stump]

When i try to move vehicles to formation the main vehicle does uhh... This? Happens to GM Eastern vehicles for sure.

[scarlet crystal]

Try without mods and see if this happens too.

[cunning token]

I submitted this ticket for setting the init field via scripting command set3DENAttributes: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=27915

is anyone aware of a work around for the quotes around the code? I tried to write the commands directly instead of passing a string, but then it's just ignored

[fringe sphinx]

Looks like terrain snapping is off and vertical mode is sea level. You probably know this but if not try changing both of those and moving the vehicle gain.

[queen vapor]

"hint 'string';"

[brave vessel]

Anyone know how I can turn off pathing for ai in a certain area? Like within a certain radius?

I’m using alive custom objectives to make trenches and basements with deformer but obviously the ai are phasing through walls and floors, getting stuck and so on so I just don’t want the ai that spawn in that specific trench or basement to move at all.

Obviously they’re not just pre-placed units that I could put the disable pathing script in their init, perhaps there’s a way of doing it in a trigger area or something?

[spark cedar]

if you set a trigger with "anybody" as activation and disableAI "path"; in the On Activation field, it should work
remember to tick "repeatable"

you'd have to specify it applies to the units in the activation area I think tho

[grave thorn]

Or, you can use Zeus Enhanced and Crows Zeus Additions to toggle pathing over a radius, unit, group, and side

[brave vessel]

I’m mostly a single player now a days so anything like that kinda kills the immersion and enjoyment for me, having to go into Zeus, turning off their pathing, in turn learning exactly where all the enemies are and so on so needs to be something I can setup in Eden and leave to do it’s work.

Thank you though

[grave thorn]

Then you will have to follow Stalker's advice

Though, unless you set the trigger area right at your base, the AI will move around until the trigger has been activated

[grizzled stag]

or
"hint ""string"";"

Pick your poison

[queen vapor]

ah i misinterpreted the problem

try codeblocks instead of quotes

{myValue = true} instead of "myValue = true"

[indigo sandal]

G'day, i'm trying to get a trigger to activate a trigger?

[fresh oracle]

In the activation of the second trigger: triggerActivated trigger1 where trigger1 is replaced with the variable name of the first one.

[indigo sandal]

Thank you

[small patrol]

But why? If a trigger triggers another trigger, that can be done via one trigger, not two triggers

[grave thorn]

That's a lot of triggers

[spark cedar]

Usually, when I want a trigger to trigger another trigger, I set up an object somewhere on the map and destroy it (with setDamage), then in the second trigger I just use !alive in the condition field

It's kind of a failsafe as I can destroy the object as Zeus if there is a bug

[tough mica]

Hi everyone, I really need your help. I'm working on a scenario for Donetsk Airport and I'm stuck on its tower. I can't find any models of it or anything like that anywhere. Could anyone help me make it look at least somewhat similar? I'd be very, very grateful.😭

[sinful zenith]

Just use the vanilla tower building?

[tough mica]

The problem is that I need a tall tower, not a two-story one.

[scarlet crystal]

then you do have a problem because there are no tall ones.

either scale down and use the one dedmen mentioned or it's time to get into modeling.

[fresh oracle]

You might be able to get away with stacking/scaling things.

[lethal pulsar]

There's a taller one in CUP terrain core iirc (saw it on Chenarus, so it should be there, or in vanilla stuff)
It's 3 or 4 stories tall I think, still not as tall as that

[tough mica]

CUP has only these towers

[sinful zenith]

About modding the editor so to say.

I have an idea about having a module, that needs to area's assigned to it.
One is for a player to walk into the area, to start the process.
The other is an area that the process does things to.

The first one is easy, make a trigger, sync it to the module.
Second one could also be a trigger synced to the module, but how would you tell the module, which trigger area is for which part

Could give the trigger names, and write the same names in the module, but that's annoying

[plain gale]

In the past this was done with additional logics in between.

I could imagine having a custom attribute control listing all triggers. Then you just select the one you need

[sinful zenith]

Yeah I was considering that, but that sounds horrid effort to get to work. And UI code.. ugh

[plain gale]

😄

Context menu actions. One for selecting area 1 and one for area 2

Sqf code just adds the name of the trigger into the module attribute values.

Only thing that's annoying is that conditions for context menu are simple expressions. Not class name specified actions.

[sinful zenith]

Like, select the module with left click. And then right-click on a trigger and it adds the context menu options only if appropriate module is currently selected?

[plain gale]

Sure

[sinful zenith]

"simple expressions" that sounds painful..

[plain gale]

It's not.

[sinful zenith]

Where do I find more info about context menu, is it a config class?

[plain gale]

One sec

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Entity_Context_Menu

https://github.com/R3voA3/3den-Enhanced/blob/master/addons/main/display3DEN/contextMenu.hpp

Could maybe also use a custom connection. But I have never used those.

[sinful zenith]

But the conditions looks like the painful that I meant.
I would want it to only show, if the specific type of module is currently selected

not if any module is selected

[plain gale]

That's what I meant with only simple expressions

One of the huge downsides of attributes and context menu entries

[sinful zenith]

Sounds like I need to add "conditionShowScript" with actual real script

[plain gale]

Yeeeesssssss

There might even be a ticket from me somewhere

[sinful zenith]

Probably something messy like

conditionShow = "hoverObject + hoverLogic + hoverMarker + scriptCondition";
conditionShowScript = "get3DENSelected bla bla exitWith {1}";

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T140938 I found this. the shortcuts of custom items don't work 😄

[plain gale]

Ah yes, that too

[sinful zenith]

Well its on the list for friday now.
Maybe I can get that in before I work on the module thing I want to try 😄

[plain gale]

Noice

[sinful zenith]

Yeah I'll probably try custom connections.

Right click on the module, and then you get the Connect menu to select what you want to connect, with what kind of connection.

But again.. the problem that custom connection conditions are only simple expressions.
So I need to have scripted conditions on that one too

R3vo you wrote this https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Custom_Connections

"A custom connection will not automatically be added to the context menu. See Entity Context Menu for a guide."

The context menu page does not show a guide about custom connections.
And, I can see the engine code that adds custom connections, into the "Connect" right click menu item (If the conditions match)

[plain gale]

Hmm. Past R3vo doesn't remember.

I can test that again.

[sinful zenith]

I'll test it on weekend anyway. Just need to remember to post the result somewhere

[plain gale]

I added a reminder for Monday. I'll pm/ping you if necessary

[plain gale]

@sinful zenith

I tried the example from the wiki and get the following error msg.

17:37:06 Warning Message: No entry 'bin\config.bin/Cfg3DEN/Connections/TAG_CustomConnection.data'
17:37:06 Warning Message: '/' is not a value

Why does it require a data entry? This property is for engine stuff online, at least for attributes, context menu and menu strip

[sinful zenith]

"data" is the type of the connection...
That is being used instead of the classname because... uh.. Yes.
I think just put the classname in there

That is the "classname", that is also used by add3DenConnection and others
And the one passed to the eventhandlers

[plain gale]

I see. I will try that.

Yeah, now it shows up.

[sinful zenith]

The condition simple exprressions are also wrong.

objectEmpty doesn't exist
supported are

Object
       ObjectBrain
  ObjectVehicle
ObjectAgent  Group        Trigger      Waypoint     Logic        Marker       

I'll add script1/script2 to it I think, not sure about that name

Two so you can have two different ones for the two conditions, bit messy

[sinful zenith]

I tried to do something new for this.
Config scripts that print "proper" script error source location

conditionScript2 = "a a a a error error";

18:21:56 Error in expression <a a a a error error>
18:21:56 Error position: <a a a error error>
18:21:56 Error Missing ;
18:21:56 File bin\config.bin/Cfg3DEN/Connections/wolf_CustomConnection.conditionScript2
->Last modified by: WOLF_Modules_MissionTransition..., line 1

You can hover over a unsupported object, that you cannot connect to.
But you get no indication until you finally click onto it 🙁
And if it fails, the line just dissappears and you don't know what jusst happened

The "cursor" entry for custom connections is never used. So much stuff to fix

And it internally doesn't use the cursor string, it converts into an enum (surprise, there is no way to parse the string to enum). So you can't evven use any cursor, only the 3DEN specific ones..

[sinful zenith]

Good enough. The cursor still doesn't work but I added a fail indicator.
Just means the condition is being spammed, but I think for this it'll be fine

Oh this is messy.

The code makes it ambiguous which of the two conditions, is for the connection start/end.

If either condition is true, then it shows in the conext menu, so far so good.

When you try to make the connection.
It first checks if condition2, works on the target object.
If yes, then condition1 must succeed on the source object.
If no, then condition1 must succeed on target, and condition2 on source.

condition1 is "is desk"
condition2 is "is any object"

So I try to connect from soldier, to desk. That should work, it should swap it and use condition2 on source and condition1 on target.

condition2 works on both, so it succeeds on target.
That means condition1 must now work on source, but the source is not a desk. So I cannot connect soldier to desk, but I can connect desk to soldier.
But even though soldier never works as source, the conext menu item is still shown on it

I think I can safely assume no-one has ever been using custom connections.
The documentation is new, and was broken until yesterday.

So.. I can probably just rip this all apart and make it "conditionStart" and "conditionEnd" ?

Its already called "Begin/End" in code.

Yeah I'll rip this out.
condition1 is for the connection source, condition2 is for the target. That makes this much simpler, and the automatic swapping didn't work anyway

Connections to markers don't render in 3D, because in 3D you can't see markers :harold:
oops

Perfect ❤️

I would like to be able to tell the user why a connection is not possible.
Like if I want some only triggers with an area.
But that gets too complicated, you'd also have to handle if someone removes the area from trigger afterwards and such messes.
Better just check that at mission start when the connections are established.
And the OnConnectingEnd handler can throw a warning popup after the connection has been made, to tell users it won't work

[plain gale]

Yeah, that's kinda annoying.

[plain gale]

So I was right, it was broken.

I tried it after you added some stuff. But i couldn't get it to work. I just lost interest and never reported it =/

[sinful zenith]

If you had same conditions for start/end it would work.
If you always start a connection on an object that fullfills condition1, then it would work (Just ignore that the menu item also appears on condition2 objects..)

[plain gale]

So the conditions are different for connections than for https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Entity_Context_Menu#Conditions

[sinful zenith]

Yes

connections has their own set

And tomorrow also these

            condition1 = "script1";
            condition2 = "script2";
            
            conditionScript1 = "_this isKindOf 'Land_TableBig_01_F'";
            conditionScript2 = "_this isKindOf 'Land_TableBig_01_F'";

scripts run in missionNamespace, which I think is fine in Eden? Or should it be UI?

[plain gale]

That's fine

[sinful zenith]

But I think UI is more logical, also for the context menu. Because its UI after all..
I don't know if there are any other examples like this in Eden code, besides eventhandlers

[plain gale]

where does menustrip code run?

[sinful zenith]

I'll check that tomorrow 😄

[plain gale]

I can check in a sec

missionNamespace

action = "systemChat str (currentNamespace isEqualTo missionNamespace)"; //true

[sinful zenith]

At least our inconsistency is consistent

[plain gale]

If both engine conditions and sqf conditions are defined which one takes over?

[sinful zenith]

it doesn't work like that

condition1 = "marker + script1";
its like this. They can be combined

script just fills a simple expression variable

[plain gale]

Oh I see.

I have updated the wiki. Let me know when it needs changing

[sinful zenith]

The custom connection's "expression" doesn't fire at mission start :sad:

[sinful zenith]

Modules "registeredToWorld3DEN" is not triggered when the module is first registered, when its spawned.
Module "init" doesn't fire when restarting the mission, with the pause menu restart button.

Oh! The connection does fire. But if I use systemChat I cannot see it.
And diag_log ['player', _this, _target] which should give me a trigger and a module.. gives me..
["player",any,any]
Well thanks for nothing :/

Does that code execute before the module/trigger are spawned??

AAAH

Yeah I shouldn't use your sample lol.
_entity0 and _entity1 are the variables.

[worldly wadi]

How would I go about making buildings I placed in the editor show up on the players' map? I recall having a mod at some point that gave props an option to enable in their attributes that would have them appear as grey blocks, but I am unable to ascertain which mod it was. Any help is greatly appreciated!

[small patrol]

One obvious way is placing markers manually

[small patrol]

If you want an semi-automatic way, give us a bit. It's not anyways so hard

[worldly wadi]

No worries. I actually was able to look back through some old modlists and found what I used to use. It's the O&T mod.

[sinful zenith]

_entity0 is the start, _entity1 is the target, and _type is the "data" entry from config.

[plain gale]

So magic vars in expression changed?

[sinful zenith]

Always been that way

for custom connections

The conditions for context menu entries are incomplete.

Map is obvious "is map open"
"EditList" is always 0.. its currently not used, why is it there at all then (I'll delete it, no vanilla config is using it)
IsInternal is for internal builds, you'll never see that..

logic vs logic module, it just checks if it really is a module.
If the vehicleClass config entry, is "Modules"

markerArea == marker type != icon
object vehicle (transport vehicle, as opposed to static object or unit)
object flying (AGL height > 0)
CanFly = Airplane, heli, parachute, paraglide
ObjectAgent "is animal"

And I'll add "script1" I don't know if a script2 is needed. Would you want to differentiate for conditionShow and conditionEnable? Well it doesn't hurt much to add a second one

[plain gale]

So both context menu and custom connections ar getting the script1/2?

[sinful zenith]

yes

[plain gale]

This is... awesome

[sinful zenith]

I'm now adding that the conditions are not compiled, if the variable is not used inside the simple expression. But probably doesn't matter to document.
You just won't see syntax errors for your condition, if you don't use it

[slow jewel]

a mod just to place markers : really hmmmm

[plain gale]

I can update the wiki tomorrow

[worldly wadi]

I can send you the PBO if you'd like to place a marker for every wall, building, and fence I placed in the mission 🙂. The mod saves a lot of time, and makes the players' map look nice for when they're making plans.

[sinful zenith]

I'm not sure how to handle context menu conditions for multiple selected items.
The connection one, just filters out unsupported items, and only does the action with the remaining ones.

But that doesn't applyy to context menu, what to do when only half the items support it..
I think I will let it go through, if any item supports it. Then your expression needs to do filtering when the item is actually triggered

[plain gale]

I thought that's how it has always been. But I don't remember.

Btw. Can you check what value = 0 does for context menu items.
I use it as workaround to show an item in the upper most level. But I am not sure that's supposed to be this way.

https://github.com/search?q=repo%3AR3voA3%2F3den-Enhanced SHOW_IN_ROOT&type=code

[slow jewel]

ummm no its ok m8: i just script place markers: i find mods to make the game go to slow and gloggy like: if you know what i mean 🙂

this is how easy it is to script a marker

private _MarkerLZ = createMarkerLocal ["LZ", SAA_mapPosition];
_MarkerLZ setMarkerTypeLocal "mil_dot";
_MarkerLZ setMarkerColorLocal "ColorBlue";
_MarkerLZ setMarkerTextLocal "LZ";
_MarkerLZ setMarkerSize [0.5, 0.5];

i use this to create a marker named LZ for where i click on the map: for my chopper command landing position

[worldly wadi]

That's pretty cool, ngl. I just don't have as much time as I'd like to learn scripting. 😢

[sinful zenith]

That.. is a brain twister.
It is flags, of the item type.. and it must match the. uh. selection flags

  Object    = 1,
  AIItem    = 2,
  Syncable  = 4,
  Empty     = 8,
  Trigger   = 16,
  Marker    = 32,
  Waypoint  = 64,
  Logic     = 128,

This.. looks like its a condition, whether to show the item or not

And itz contains both the flags for under cursor and selected items...

A value of 0... I would think, hides it.. This code is so hard to read

Ah no okey.. uh

[plain gale]

Interesting

[sinful zenith]

the value, is what you "want"

For example 128 for logics.
It them combines it with what it has

if ((wanted & current) != wanted) then hide item

So if current is Trigger, the and will remove the bitflag for logic, it will be != wanted, it will hide it.
if wanted is 0, then the & will not remove any bits, so it will always equal wanted, so it won't hide it.

[plain gale]

I see. That's why I see it then

[sinful zenith]

value = 128 << 8 | 64 (A logic, under the mouse cursor, A waypoint currently selected)

It will only show, if you selected a waypoint, and right-click on a logic. I think..

[plain gale]

Uff

Sounds weird.

[sinful zenith]

Huh. The simple expressions, only apply to... the menu itself, not individual sub-items?

But maybe there is some recursion I'm not seeing

Oh gawd
The simple expression values are filled once, and then the values are passed to all expressions in the whole menu tree.
Which means, my script thing doesn't work because it only runs the top-level script once, instead of running the ones from the individual items..

[plain gale]

What the?

For some reason I think this was made unnecessarily complicated

[sinful zenith]

Its twisting my brain

[sinful zenith]

If I see it right, the "value" thing, also only applies to root items. Not sub items

So you'd probably just want value=0, and use script then if you want to filter.
Although, script cannot differentiate between "under cursor" or "selected"
.. mh.. It could though.
Under cursor is fired first. And then forEach through selected items.
But, selected items stop as soon as the value is true, they are or combined with lazy eval.

if under cursor is true, selected items don't run the condition

[plain gale]

😖

[sinful zenith]

I think it'll be fine in the end

[plain gale]

Shouldn't the script1 and 2 be enough to cover all cases now?

I can check if I hover over something and I can check what's selected and so on

[sinful zenith]

You just need to consider that your expression, can also trigger while some of the selected items may not fulfill the condition.

[plain gale]

In theory, the engine conditions are irrelevant now.

[sinful zenith]

Oh 🤔
Yeah, you could check all selected items in the condition

Also need to keep that in mind 😄
The input entity might be any type

[plain gale]

I love that the error is pointing to the config.

[sinful zenith]

I can add more arguments to the conditions.

Maybe _thisType would be useful to tell you what type the entity that's being passed, is. But I don't think we have precedent for that, and I think there isn't just an enum for eden entity type?

[plain gale]

Not that I am aware of

But I think that can easily be handled via script.

[sinful zenith]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/get3DENSelected Well we have entity type as string here 🤔
Actually I can use that yeah

Performance doesn't matter much here I'd think, so one extra variable won't kill us.
_thisType for menu item and custom connections conditions (not their expression)

Crap. Custom connection expressions are in-game, we don't have eden types anymore 😄

They can only be object or group..
Uh, markers?

[plain gale]

In-game doesn't matter really. At that point we already know it's been connected to a valid type so no unexpected type can occur.

[sinful zenith]

custom connections on markers never worked.. also fixed.
I keep stepping from one tar filled pot into the next

[sinful zenith]

ok all done.. I think.
Recap
Menu item, missing variables #arma3_editor message + script1/script2
Menu item conditionScript1/2, only parsed if its used in the simple expression condition. They are executed for item under cursor and every selected item, iterating through all until a true is found (lazy eval). So if any of those is true, the script1/2 will be true.
customConnection expression parameters #arma3_editor message
customConnection condition variables #arma3_editor message
customConnection conditionScript parameters _this (the entity) and _thisType #arma3_editor message (Note the condition fires for every selected object, and it is also quite spammy so performance matters)

I think that's all 🤔

So next, the weird gap in the menu between submenu's?
Your shortcuts thing.
Default sorting the load mission display, to show the last saved mission first

You have more 3DEN things while I'm in there?

[plain gale]

Hmm.

Wildcards for eden asset and entity browser

E.g. *ammobox shows all ammoboxes no matter their prefix

Gernerally more control over what's shown in the assets tree view. The filling is handled by the engine and it would be neat to have a way to hide things etc. @small patrol didn't you do something like this?

And the ultimate Endboss.

Show/hide attributes based on a scripted condition.

E.g. I could create attributes for certain class names without modifying the cfgvehicle class.

Or users can hide attributes based on a custom eden preference setting that they don't need.

Oh and have I mentioned customizable shortcuts yet.😁

[sinful zenith]

context menu shortcuts.
Shortcut functionality is only in menu strip, not in context menu. But copying over is easy.
Context menu, specifically has code to not load shortcuts, and zero them out. But, the code only applies to top-level. That's why the sub-level cut/paste shortcuts still show, even though they don't work because there are no shortcuts for context menu 😄

[plain gale]

Oh...

That's so confusing. All the time I wasted figuring out what's wrong.

So the copy paste shortcuts are just global and have no connection to the context menu

[sinful zenith]

I fixed that, shortcuts work now but..
I'm a bit worried that now when you CTRL+V, that both the context menu shortcut AND the main editor shortcut could fire at the same time?
Though.. that does not seem to be the case, it seems to be fine and only triggering one. But, still worried

It looks like the copy/paste shortcuts, which trigger the "PasteItems" operation, get detected as "Unknown" operation, thus it doesn't do anything.
Because the context menu, triggers a MainDisplay operation, where PasteItems doesn't exist. PasteItems is a editor manager operation.

The MainDisplays keyboard manager, hardcodes those keys, to then tell the backend manager to run the cut/paste and such.

Ah nevermind. Half of that is wrong

PasteItems does go through

If the context menu's shortcut handler, captures the key. The main display does not receive the keypress.
So if CTRL+V is caught by context menu, the display doesn't see it and doesn't trigger its own paste.

Another tar pot. This "key is handled" is per key.
CTRL+V is hardcoded in the display code to paste.
But the context menu shortcut is not hardcoded, you can edit that in config.
If you set the shortcut to CTRL+H, then both that and CTRL+V will paste

As long as you don't make conflicting shortcuts, its probably fine 😄

It seems to work fine.
If I bind CTRL+K, it triggers the context menu one, and not the menu strip. If I close context menu, the menu strip one is triggered. It seems to be fine.

Speaking of tar pits.
Did you know..
The sorting arrows in the open mission menu are inverted?

[plain gale]

Isn't that handled by bis fnc initListBoxSorting?

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_initListNBoxSorting

It would be wrong for my uis then as well 🤔

[sinful zenith]

The icons yes

Both of those things are script changes 😢 Script changes are so much effort and I need to wait till next week :/

[sinful zenith]

I don't understand.
It already is only a "contains" check.
So it already is *ammobox* by default

[plain gale]

I need to check when I am at home. I had an example with some spearhead ammoboxes

Gernerally speaking. Are other wildcards possible?

[sinful zenith]

need more info about how
Would it be sufficient to have a post-fill eventhandler, where you can then delete items you don't want?
Assuming you can delete from the tree with script?

[plain gale]

You can delete but the engine refills the list iirc.

Also need to check when I am at home.

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178426

Is this doable?

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171218

And here is the wildcard ticket.

[sinful zenith]

I need some concrete example to tell.
I don't know what you have in mind.

Something like Land_*Table ? ugh what a pain, technically sure.
Eden has a custom search implementation. We can stuff things in there without influencing other tree filterings

[plain gale]

This exactly.

[sinful zenith]

Hide in UI, easy (probably).
Also remove/hide from script and effects, uh no.

[plain gale]

Was does script and effects mean?

[sinful zenith]

get3DENAttributes returning it
the attribute script running at mission start, even when its "hidden"

[plain gale]

Hmm I think one can handle that easily by just checking in the attribute expressions if the attribute is hidden via a setting.

Really depends on how much work it is to hide it in ui

[sinful zenith]

I assume UI filling is done in one place, iterating over the attributes.
So doing a condition check there should be easy

[plain gale]

Famous last words😅

[sinful zenith]

do3DENAction is missing some operations in docs.
HideLayer, DisableLayer, ShowLayer, MakeNewLayer. Probably more.

[plain gale]

😮

[sinful zenith]

We can use CTRL + G to show/hide vegetation in Eden Editor but there is no scripting equivalent.
How the hell does that work lol.
Searched all code for G keys, only found a diag binary cheat for hiding grass

[sinful zenith]

Oh

tbh. I would've expected for you to figure that out by yourself

[plain gale]

I know I tried a few

But that was too simple

[sinful zenith]

It a menu bar entry

class ToggleVegetation
{
    text = $STR_3DEN_Display3DEN_MenuBar_ToggleVegetation_text;
    data = "ToggleVegetation";
    type = "CheckBox";
    default = false;
    shortcuts[] = {INPUT_CTRL_OFFSET + DIK_G};
};

Its in config

[plain gale]

Huh?

I am sure I looked at that

[sinful zenith]

All the data entries from the menu bar items, should also be available in do3DENAction

[plain gale]

Qell

I figured that out

It's even documented

[sinful zenith]

There's a separate request to make that work in-game tho. But I don't wanna

[plain gale]

But I guess I forgot about it after I documented it

😅

[sinful zenith]

Tell me about this gap here.
Do you think it has any purpose?

[prisma oyster]

NONE AT ALL

[sinful zenith]

These are all the operations for do3DENAction

I want to add more to it.
I want to also be able to do the mouse drag actions.

AttachDetachOperation, MoveItemsOperation.. there's so many of these

All these things that are on your mouses cursor, like when you drag a unit onto something else or whatever

[plain gale]

What's wrong with that gap? I thought this is by design

[sinful zenith]

It probably is by design but it looks horrible

This is how context menus look

[prisma oyster]

doesn't it also "drop" the mouse if you stay over the gap for too long?

like closes the sub-menu or something

[sinful zenith]

No it doesn't

But also, what is this empty space under the last item

[plain gale]

Now he's getting crazy

[prisma oyster]

I believed it's a separator, but looking at it now I'm not sure anymore – maybe to highlight that there is an option up there?

[sinful zenith]

Every menu, also menu strip has this gap at the bottom

I'll just put a border around it like windows has

[plain gale]

Please don't tell him about the stray separator in the menu strip mission menu

[sinful zenith]

The heck is this

[prisma oyster]

ye that one bothered me a bit too

[plain gale]

Me too

[sinful zenith]

I guess it somewhat makes sense.
You can only append to the array.
So this would separate the vanilla actions, from ones appended by mods. If there were any mods

[plain gale]

Oh, did you know menu items can have multiple shortcuts but only the first one works?

[sinful zenith]

Why would anyone want multiple shortcuts. I reject that idea

[plain gale]

Why does it show them then?

[sinful zenith]

Also code says only the first one is read from config

[plain gale]

Yes but I think some entries have multiple defined.

That drove me crazy when parsing them.

[sinful zenith]

But they shouldn't show in UI. There is only one shortcut value

I won't bother to clean up the config for that 😄

[plain gale]

It was the other way around then. You can define multiple but they don't show.

Anyway, it's just eden editor things.

The menu strip also has icons to indicate if an option is toggleable. How is that handled in eden editor?

It's a nice touch but annoying to handle via script

[sinful zenith]

I saw something about checkbox being toggled in there, you mean that?

[plain gale]

I think so

[sinful zenith]

We have like.. 3 context menu rendering implementations

ContextMenu, does have a border all around with border color (I have no idea where that appears..)
Structured menu has its own rendering for Submenu's, but even the root menu is a Submenu.

The sstructured menu adds border to its total height (which it uses for background render). But never renders any border.

Also there is a check for, if the menu has 0 items inside it, but has a submenu... which could only be added by an item.. so thats.. not possible? Wha

It checks if the number of items is less than or equal to zero.
How can number of items ever be negative this doesn't make any sense 😠

I found the border rendering code.
The border is drawn around all 4 edges.
But.. the top left edges are just not visible?

About the gap.
So there is "Horizonatal spacing" called _hSpacing
And "Vertical spacing" called _v.. uh.. I mean.. _wSpacing.

To find the X offset of the subMenu, so the.. horizontal offset. We add.. _wSpacing, so.. we add the vertical spacing, on the horizontal axis..... uh..

[plain gale]

🤣

[sinful zenith]

spacingH and spacingW. I assume they mean Height and Width.
So H is vertical, and W is horizontal.
But the comments in code say the opposite.

MenuStrip uses SpacingH and SpacingW onto its submenu's. Correctly.
ContextMenu.. is missing the SpacingH. Note the menu strip and context menu, have the same spacings in the screenshots

Fix the missing spacingH, make spacingW be -0.01 and tadaa

[plain gale]

Very nice.

Now just the text needs to get centered vertically

[sinful zenith]

The border code for MenuStrip and ContextMenu.
is almost a copy paste.. almost.. barely..
MenuStrip, rounds the coordinate to the pixel. ContextMenu doesn't round, so two of its edges clip outside of the rectangle and the borders aren't visible. Womp womp.

Why is this code even duplicated. The rendering of them is 95% the same

Ah indeed. The draw line function has a width parameter.
And the parameter is... unused and does nothing. Of course. Sure.

The white border, is not white its dark gray..

Split the bottom border into half and do it top and bottom.

Das this not look much more professional?

[dawn lotus]

This looks misaligned, and the gray border looks weird, and out of place. It looks better/cleaner with no border, and the gap.

[sinful zenith]

Windows actually moves it a bit up, instead of down

More like this

[dawn lotus]

That looks a little better to me.

[sinful zenith]

Also the width, what is that empty space there 🤔

🤦‍♂️
If a "submenu arrow" is configured, for when it has sub items. It adds the width of the arrow.
But, it also does that when none of the items have a sub menu.

Finally done? maybe 🤔

The vertical text centering is also weird.
3 pixel gap on top. 7 pixel gap on bottom

[plain gale]

Yeah, that needs centering

[sinful zenith]

I don't know how to do that.
There is vertical adjustment code if the fontsize doesn't perfectly match. If I flip that from add to subtract, its exactly perfect, but all other texts are too far down then 😄

Hardcoding a +2 pixel does work.. but only at this font size. And thats stupid

[plain gale]

Too bad

[sinful zenith]

More for wiki. Structured menu (and menu strip, but only for sub-sub items. Not for the root first menu that opens)

Config entries

  // Vertical offset of submenu relative to top of the item that is opening it
  float submenuYOffset;
  // Horizontal offset. relative to depends on where menu opens. relative to parent item right, when opening to right, or relative to left and inverted, when opening to left
  float submenuXOffset;

For the above they are

        submenuYOffset = -0.0015;
        submenuXOffset = -0.01;

Borders for menuStrip are annoying. Because they also apply to the root item, so inside the menu bar. ugh.
And the sub menu's use the same config. So border only in sub-menu's but not in the root, nope.

I can give menuStrip its own config so it can have separate borders for sub. But.. next week if I remember.
And the wildcard search, and the attribute hiding. And I think that was all

[plain gale]

Awesome work! Thanks

I will update the wiki tomorrow

[plain gale]

This list seems to also not be complete? On the wiki we have CreateAndChangeComment

[sinful zenith]

custom connections, trying to connect multiple is super annoying, you constantly have to go back and right-click the source to start a new connection.
If only you could hold shift, to connect multiple targets

[rotund blade]

speaking of connections, would be nice to have an arrow indicating the "direction" of the connection, rather than having to hover over to determine that

(assuming there's a difference in which way you connect, i know it doesn't seem to matter for something like connecting a module with a trigger, at least not that i recall, but might matter for others)

[sinful zenith]

Direction matters for scripted ones yes. I think trigger sync just registers on both ends.

Annoying thing about editor modules, I need to run their script on postInit (ACE/CBA). But their script gets called at preInit. I just add a stupid spawn and sleep now..
I guess I could just add a postInit eventhandler from the module init, and let it do the rest.

[rotund blade]

i see

[tawdry talon]

Is there anyone that is very familiar with the editor that wants to help us make a complex and long custom scenario?

[prisma oyster]

well, in this channel we can help with questions you have, however if you want to recruit someone (for free) to do it for you see #creators_recruiting 🙂

[tawdry talon]

Thanks!

[cunning token]

with a codeblock I end up with an empty init field, bummer

[slow jewel]

i'll test this more and see hmmm

[frail bay]

I have a general inquiry for any mission/template builders. How do you guys make your lights? I often use a lightpoint through a gamelogic (to mimic the actual building lights for instance) init but I'm curious what other solutions ppl thought of and are willing to share.

[sinful zenith]

Did you check if your UI's have the issue too?
I'll change the script function now. Stop me if I shouldn't 😄

[plain gale]

One sec

Yes, ascending is arrow down

[sinful zenith]

Which.. is correctly wrong. Ok good

Also the context menu style change was approved 🥳

[sinful zenith]

Hah.

private _display = uinamespace getvariable ["display3DENSave_display",displaynull];
if !(isnull _display) then {            //--- Init sorting control panel
    if (isnull (_display displayctrl 200)) then {
        private _ctrlFilter = _display displayctrl IDC_DISPLAY3DENSAVE_FILTER;
        private _ctrlFiles = _display displayctrl IDC_DISPLAY3DENSAVE_FILES;
        [_ctrlFilter,_ctrlFiles] call bis_fnc_initListNBoxSorting;
    };
    //--- Select filter item to refresh the list (behavior handled by BIS_fnc_initListNBoxSorting)
    (finddisplay IDD_DISPLAY3DENSAVE displayctrl IDC_DISPLAY3DENSAVE_FILTER) lbsetcursel 0;
};

This is the code that decides which filter is active by default.
But, it doesn't work. finddisplay IDD_DISPLAY3DENSAVE returns displayNull.
But the display we want, is already in _display..

[sinful zenith]

This is the code that decides which filter is active by default.
Nah that's wrong. It literally just does a refresh.
On first call it always fails because the display is null, but the init function already does the first refresh.

More comments needed

Btw the save/load display stores what sorting you last used. So when you re-open it, it still has the one from last time.
but it stores it in uiNamespace. Two line code change and your default sorting would persist across game restarts.

[queen niche]

Is there a way I can set up a trigger to have an AI with an RPG target a specific (un-crewed) vehicle and blow it up? The intent is to be a precursor to an enemy assault

[sinful zenith]

You cannot do it with just a trigger, you have to use #arma3_scripting to do it with a script inside the trigger.

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/fireAtTarget works for vehicles. Unclear if it would work for a AI foot soldier.
There is also https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/doFire

The problem is setting which weapon it should fire.
fireAtTarget has optional parameter, but I don't know if it works on a unit. doFire doesn't have it, but maybe you can just remove all weapons except the RPG.
You can use currentMuzzle to find the name

[fresh oracle]

I think it does work for units, IIRC.

[queen niche]

I'll have to mess with it and see if it works. Worst case scenario I can just manually det while everyone is inside and say "oh no, they used IEDs"

[sinful zenith]

A wiki example for "fireAtTarget" to "fire rpg at vehicle" might be useful

[prisma oyster]

why

[queen niche]

Ever watch Warfare?

[sinful zenith]

All wiki examples are for vehicles. Parameters also say vehicle. But the description says it forces a unit to fire.
So what now vehicle or unit?
Is a bit confusing.

Scrolling down to the comments does solve it though, it really only does vehicle.
doFire/commandFire do infantry units, but you can't tell them which weapon to use.
also fireAtTarget is literally "AtTarget" but, according to comment it will NOT aim at the target, which I would totally expect from that name.

"Shoot at something specific" I think is a common use case.
But the many "fire" wiki pages all don't really help that

[prisma oyster]

I think having one command that works would solve all our problems 😁

[sinful zenith]

Indeed.

do3DENAction does both, Eden backend operations, and Eden UI operations.
It first tries UI, then backend.

UI list is (The other list above was backend)

[sinful zenith]

another fire command

[prisma oyster]

or fix one of them all 🤣

[plain gale]

Awesome.

[queen niche]

You know what? I just realized I can have the trigger run a script that just blows up the vehicles as though IEDs were planted by setting their damage to 1. Less complex, but also less immersive.

[jovial ingot]

I dont know what else to do..
I have 4 enemies in a group, in the composition (AI Features) have I checked these three :
-Move
-Cover
-Path
also added the following to the compositions init:
this setVariable["dmpCacheExclude",true,true];

{ _x disableAI "PATH"; } forEach (units this);

I want them to stay on there place when the mission starts, but no, they are just wandering around like its a god damn field trip.

Help me guys, this is killing me haha

[spark cedar]

why don't you uncheck "path" in the attributes of each soldier ?

(and delete/undo everything else)

[sinful zenith]

@ R3vo
For attribute conditions.

Attributes already have condition simple expression.
Its the exact same thing here, with adding the script to it right?
condition already hides it in the UI exactly like you would want.

condition false means
When changing attribute OnEntityAttributeChanged is not triggered, and the changed attribute is not stored. Meaning its always at default value, meaning expression will not fire at scenario start?

.. .uh.. ehh.. uh.. The value.. eh.. Mh. I think it still shows in UI..
But wiki says "Condition for attribute to appear" which.. uh.

[sinful zenith]

Is this sufficiently arrow-y 🤣

This looks so ugly..

[rotund blade]

The upper one should be fine imo, lower's too much yeah

(one idea is also to have the arrow appear at the center of the line for better visibility)

[sinful zenith]

We already have this arrow code, I don't want to write new rendering code (And also for 2D view)

The first one is the waypoint arrow size. But its a bit annoying when its hidden behind markers

[rotund blade]

fair - tbh seems fine enough then; still much better than having to hover over each connection if you have many, at least you'll be able to tell at a glance that the tip is thicker and is clearly the target

[sinful zenith]

half way inbetween. Good enough.
The pixely line still doesn't fit to the rest of Edens nice icons, but so is the waypoint arrow so whatever 😄

Only custom connections, not normal ones like group/sync. Because they aren't "directed" anyway.

[plain gale]

Please always ping me!

Yes, a "scriptedCondition" simple expression would work. It's basically the same as for the context menu.

[sinful zenith]

Sometimes I refuse to ping.

But have you ever tried the existing condition simple expression. I don't think it works like you expect.
I couldn't find anything that would prevent the attribute from showing up in the attributes menu

[plain gale]

I use the condition all the time.

Mainly useful for "Object" attributes.

[sinful zenith]

Mh. I've missing something then.
I'll actually test it tomorrow 😄

Also for the wildcard search, I'll probably implement it with regex (auto translate wildcard to regex).
And then also give you the ability to provide a raw regex string because why not

[plain gale]

yay

[plain gale]

For example, this only shows in the Attributes UI if any of the selected entities is a vehicle

[rich wasp]

Hey, I need some help. Does anyone know how to re-enable my keybinds in the eden editor?
I used to have Alt + E to enable simulation, but now it’s gone. Does anyone know how to get this shortcut back? It was really useful and saved me a lot of time for posing in Arma 3.

[plain gale]

data editor?

[rich wasp]

eden sry

[plain gale]

alt + e the shortcut to disabled simulation, which is an 3den Enhanced feature. Do you have that mod loaded?

[jovial ingot]

back again, cant get the enemy AI to stay even tho I try everything...
What am I supposed to add to the group for them to keep standing and NOT leave their spot
I can see the enemy soldiers standing still in their trench, nodding their heads for a few seconds and then disperse as a bomb

[plain gale]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/disableAI or the equivalent 3den Enhanced attributes are you friend here.

Disabling path usually works.

[magic portal]

In an individual unit's init:
this disableAI "PATH";

In a group's composition init:
{_x disableAI "PATH";} forEach units this;

[turbid olive]

are you using AI mods?

[rich wasp]

Thanks for the tip! I’ll try it tomorrow and see if it works. Thanks already for the lead, I appreciate it.

[lyric tusk]

Does anyone know if there is a way to stop AI from being able to buy vehicles when making a warlords scenario? Or even better a way to limit how many AI vehicles each team can have?

[runic cloud]

testing this on the latest perf exe and _thisType is returning ANY at the moment

[jovial ingot]

Yeah.... I had lambs, totally forgotten that, removed it and will test now

[graceful bramble]

@cunning token have you tried to use get3DENAttribute and typeName to get the type of the init attribute (set in the editor)?

[plain gale]

Maybe it's only _type?

[cunning token]

@graceful bramble nope, I haven't tried that, good idea

[jovial ingot]

Amazing help guys! Thanks alot, the enemies are static now haha

Another question, is there a alternative to deformer? I think it's almost impossible to get it right and good

[plain gale]

Not that I know, but as far as I know it works well enough.

[sinful zenith]

nope

So to test the attribute condition.
I put a attribute inside a module/logic condition = "objectBrain";
A module is obviously no brain. Wiki says only soldier and UAVPilot, which a module still isn't.
But the attribute still shows up in UI

[plain gale]

I have never used conditions for modules or markers as there is no reason to do so.

They work for objects though

[sinful zenith]

The simple expression isn't even executed when opening the menu

[plain gale]

But for vehicles it is, right?

[sinful zenith]

I don't have a vehicle attribbute handy

Maybe module attributes are handled completely differently, which would be annoying

[plain gale]

https://github.com/R3voA3/3den-Enhanced/tree/master/addons/main/attributesObject

Knock yourself out

[sinful zenith]

knock knock

[prisma oyster]

who's there?

[sinful zenith]

A mirror

[prisma oyster]

a mirror who?

[sinful zenith]

You

Ah okey so I know how the "hiding attribute in UI" works.
It tries to get the current value of the attribute, which would return the default value.
But if the condition fails, it returns nil. And if it has no value to display its not shown in UI.

And yeah it works on objects, but not modules 🤔

Modules is a bug 🤣
It tries to find the attribute, but it only searches through the Cfg3DEN attributes.
Not through the per-object attributes inside the module class. Due to that it never finds the condition

The per-attribute search in the editable entities tree did consider the condition.
But the other two places forgot

[sinful zenith]

                condition = "script";
                conditionScript = "diag_log [_this, _thisType]; true";

11:21:49 [L Bravo 2-2:1,any]

uh...

OHHHHHHHHHHH

_thisType != _thistype

[runic cloud]

oh.

[sinful zenith]

The "conversation system" sets "randomValue" variable onto every Man type unit. But you can never read that 😄

Today I learned that Man units have predefined variables in their object namespace.
btw the "randomValue" is.. 5.

There they are 😄

11:35:50 [L Bravo 2-2:1,"Logic"]
✅

[plain gale]

Oh that's where these are from

[sinful zenith]

Its part of the KB system thing

[plain gale]

KB_randomValue then😠

[sinful zenith]

I would just remove it, they are hardcoded to 5 anyway.
But some legacy code burried in some... actually nothing can depend on randomValue because it was never accessible..

I wanted configOf/typeOf for display/control. But can only do typeOf :sad:

[plain gale]

But we have typeOf for controls?

[sinful zenith]

Where? typeOf is object only

[plain gale]

or you mean support for controls/displays to typeOf?

[sinful zenith]

yes. What else did you think

[plain gale]

a command to get className of controls/displays 😄

[sinful zenith]

That's the same thing tho?

[plain gale]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ctrlType

[sinful zenith]

I wanted to add something to editor pause menu.
There is Interrupt, InterruptMP, InterruptEditor, InterruptEditor2D, InterruptEditor3D ugh.
allDisplays has a display with idd 49.. but, all the interrupts have the same IDD

So I wanted allDisplays apply {typeOf _x} , and that doesn't work

[sinful zenith]

"number" lol what

[plain gale]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ctrlClassName

[sinful zenith]

1.26
But why, typeOf does exactly this and existed since ever. Why make another command

[plain gale]

Idk 🤣

[sinful zenith]

Well I got what I wanted and I'll force everyone else to have it too

[plain gale]

sweet

[sinful zenith]

Next up
This nasty error popup for terrains that are not loaded

Why is there an empty "Eden" class in vanilla.
So many Why's today.

[sinful zenith]

How to differentiate between wildcard and regex though.
I thought using slash
test*test wildcard (auto converted to regex internally)
/test.*test regex

But that's a bit ugly isn't it
Would anyone even use it.. mh

[plain gale]

This is for eden search only right? Or are all tree views getting that support?

[sinful zenith]

Only eden, only the right-side tree (I think..?)

[plain gale]

nice

[sinful zenith]

Its quite laggy now though. So gotta try multithreaded filtering

[sinful zenith]

Krawam. Multithreaded searching.

[sinful zenith]

Something else for search maybe? we now have plenty spare room

For when you net a tabbit I guess. I doubt anyone will use this

Debating whether I auto add .* at start and end of pattern, so its always a "contains", or if I let you do it.
I think for bare regex its probably fine to let the user deal with that part. Otherwise you can't do a "ends with a number"

[magic portal]

Ooh I always wished I could do a multiple search like that. Maybe an option in 3den settings to auto add it?

[sinful zenith]

class cup*table for simple wildcard search, will automatically converted to .*cup.*table.*
class /cup.*table.* for full regex search, just takes the bare string as case-insensitive regex.

/ is a bit obscure, but such is Arma

I could put it in the tooltip but that means translations and I need to come up with a way to phrase it

[plain gale]

That is fine imho

[kind prism]

just treat spaces as wildcard+separator xD

[sinful zenith]

The tooltip already doesn't even mention the "mod" prefix

[plain gale]

yeah, probably because you are supposed to use the drop down for that

[sinful zenith]

Search in the asset browser.
Use 'class ' prefix to search by class name (e.g., 'class B_Soldier')
Use 'mod ' prefix to search by mod name (e.g., 'mod kart')
Use '*' and '?' for wildcard matching (e.g., 'house*ruin')
Prefix by '/' to search with a Regular Expression (e.g., '/(Brick|Big).*House.*')

That's the best examples I can think of

[plain gale]

Perfect

I will put that on the wiki as well.

[sinful zenith]

It would be fancy to totally redo the search

instead of
"house ruin" returning things that contain "house ruin" return things that contain "house" AND "ruin"
And "mod:CUP house ruin" everything that contains "house" and "ruin" and is mod "CUP"
but that's too much now

Everything on my Eden todo list is now done

[plain gale]

Did you look at https://feedback.bistudio.com/T191578

add3DENConnection and get3DENConnections are broken for connection type "Group"

Might just be me using it incorrectly.

[sinful zenith]

No. I'll try
But I wonder how to differentiate between connection to group and connection to group leader. The positions are the same

[plain gale]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T193237 This ticket has to do with undo in eden editor and mentions you.

I remember some recent fixe in that regard?

[sinful zenith]

I don't want to touch undo

[warm sapphire]

Setting up a multiplayer mission and I will be Zeus. I set up the respawn position in Eden Editor and I will add positions as we play. I finally got that working. However, when I start the scenario, I start dead and have to respawn. I'm testing this without another players so I don't if that will occur with them. How can I make sure I enter the game alive (I want to have us all parachute in, but now I start dead while the AI players parachute in)

[sinful zenith]

I think its description.ext entry "respawnOnStart"

My next plan for a Eden thing.
BIS_fnc_unitCapture runs in editor preview.
When exiting editor preview, it should place down a module or trigger with the script inside it that will run the captured data.

Problem, captured data is too huge to put into mission.sqm, it should always be in separate files.
But there is no script way, to write a file into the mission folder...

How stupid would it be to allow only Eden, to write a .txt file into the mission folder?

[plain gale]

That would be awsome

Also please also way to get all files in a mission folder

Spearhead has a feature that requires a huge data file which needs to be manually created which is error prone.

[sinful zenith]

addonFiles but some special prefix to say "current mission folder" ?

[plain gale]

sure.

Uhh, I think I could then even have the mission.sqm backup feature work without extension

So many things to to do now and such little time

[sinful zenith]

yeah you can loadConfig.
But you can only backup inside the mission folder itself, which would bloat it

[plain gale]

no subfolders?

[sinful zenith]

yes subfolders, but its still inside the mission then

I won't let you go outside of mission folder

[plain gale]

Well, yeah, my extension can do that. Though I am not sure how many ppl actually change the default path

[sinful zenith]

I have my git mission backup thing that backups every save into a .git history.
Would be fancy to have UI in-game to revert a mission back.
So many things that could be done

[plain gale]

Don't give me ideas

[sinful zenith]

Why didn't you put file write into 3DEN Enhanced yet?
I just went there with the expectation that you'll let me finish todays project before I need to implement engine stuff for it 😄

[plain gale]

In 3den Enhanced itself I never had a good usecase for it outside of mission.sqm backup (which is just copy file)

[sinful zenith]

Is there a way, to get the 3den entity ID, from an entity in preview?

Say I start preview, do something with a vehicle, and return to Eden.
I want to apply the things I did, onto the one in Eden.

get3DENEntityID doesn't work with a real entity in preview 🤔
I assume there is no way?

Maybe something like netId but I don't expect that to work either.

vehicleVarName works, if you had given it a var name before starting preview

It could be as simple as just automatically setting the entityID onto the vehicle in a variable, when its spawned for preview 🤔

[plain gale]

Doing it with a variable is the only way afaik

[sinful zenith]

Another thing for my todo list

Probably just hardcode add a "magic" variable onto every object. "3denEntityID"
Obscure, but easy without an extra command.

I could make get3DENEntityID fetch the variable, for convenience

[plain gale]

Yes, i don't think that's obscure at all.

[sinful zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901484708964229121/1484274743782932630/arma3client_x64_profiling_220_153615_v59_2026-03-19_20-36-27.mp4?ex=69bda213&is=69bc5093&hm=2bb998f70d788f54e0a48d7ab62e56dbe7c96ce7ab459d08aad873dc4f6e1aca& Easy unit capture (HDR makes so many issues with screen recording ugh)

[plain gale]

Neat

[prisma oyster]

wheels are not turning, I want a refund

[sinful zenith]

Its a bit annoying that do3DENAction has no arguments.
Is there any other action, that could use some arguments to be provided?

[sinful zenith]

If I give ability to write a textfile into mission folder.. Do I need to give ability to delete it again?

[paper yarrow]

overwrite is probably good enough

[sinful zenith]

File will be "generated_"+filename+".txt" so they are clearly separated.
I thought about not allowing overwrite, but now I realize I can't find a reason for it

[plain gale]

So how do we provide the file name?

[sinful zenith]

_par = createHashMap;
_par set ["name", "testfile"];
_par set ["folder", "subfolder"];
_par set ["content", "R3voing"];

do3DENAction ["CreateTextFile", _par];

[plain gale]

nice.

[sinful zenith]

bing

[kind prism]

Oo this could be Zeus export to 3den as well, to a limited degree

[sinful zenith]

Only from within 3den preview

One of my units mission makers asked me a couple days ago why his Zeus Enhanced composition, is not available in Eden.

You can within Zeus in Eden preview, store the stuff into uiNamespace. Catch it when preview end and spawn it in Eden, apply the attributes, save it as composition.
Thats how my unit recording thing does it, except the saving as compo part

[sinful zenith]

I'm hoping ( 🥺 ) that R3vo will help me with documentation 🥺

addonFiles $mission special prefix. Works in Eden and Eden preview.
get3DENEntityID now also works on Object,Trigger,Group,Logic (not comment, layer, waypoint, marker) within Eden preview.

do3DENAction alt syntax with [String, Any]
"CreateTextFile" needs hashmap. name/content required, folder is optional.
name/folder can only contain A-z0-9_-. Also means only one folder, not multi deep folders.
name length max 64 characters. Folder length max 16 characters.
Name is force prefixed with "generated_" and suffixed with ".txt"

[sinful zenith]

addonsFiles only works in Eden...
I think it also makes sense when playing a packed mission, also in MP?
But is that not already possible? getMissionPath to find the prefix, read __CUR_MP prefix? I'd think that should already work

[plain gale]

Yes, I will document once they are on dev

[sinful zenith]

No dev next week tho :sad:

[plain gale]

I can't test it, so I can't document it 😛

[sinful zenith]

Maybe a prof next week with them

[plain gale]

addonFiles ["$mission", ".sqf"] This would return all sqf files?

Or is it literally how you wrote it addonFiles $mission

[sinful zenith]

Yes. No

[paper yarrow]

no dev next week?

[sinful zenith]

We have no QA so I assume no dev