arma3_feedback_tracker

[solid marten]

oh so this is just type issue, should be easy

could you add this to the ticket too please will help to look in the right place when i start it

[gaunt depot]

Done,
C_Hatchback_01_F:

["B Alpha 1-2:2 (B_Soldier_F)","",0.494967,"1e36be98080# 1793921: hatchback_01_f.p3d (C_Hatchback_01_F)","",-1,"<NULL-object> ()","",false,0]

Land_ToiletBox_F:

["B Alpha 1-2:2 (B_Soldier_F)","",0.494967,"B Alpha 1-2:2 (B_Soldier_F)","",-1,"<NULL-object> ()","",false,0]

with same repro

same amount of damage interestingly

[regal nimbus]

New version probably fixes our busted code tbh :P

[near cedar]

Amazing 😄 thank you for investigating! It does sound cursed lol

[gray wharf]

…from OFP era?

[limpid rune]

isnt the artillery computer OA?

[gray wharf]

that or A3 yeah, definitely not OFP
and the first vanilla artillery pieces were Arma 1 afaik

[desert trench]

a2:oa

[gaunt depot]

Arty computer is OA, yes

Terminal is A3

[summer crow]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T79971
found a task in 2014 about multiplier = 3 in CfgWeapons, the original answer is

This is as designed, Your note has been taken into consideration, thanks a lot.

so after 10 years, is that considered as a bug now in 2024?

[devout wave]

That's probably an optimisation thing.

The notional rate of fire for miniguns is higher than what the game can consistently support, so instead of trying to simulate the actual rate of fire, they fire "3-for-1" bullets that consume more ammo and have a small amount of splash damage.

[outer frigate]

is there any chance that one of these could be swapped so theyre the same way around for both? i know its really minor it just really bugs me

[untold sky]

I remember looking at some command that was added in OFP. Probably mixed it up with the dialog command...
currentWeaponTurret was only added in 1.12, that would have made getArtilleryComputerSettings obsolete.

[untold sky]

😾
So annoying that "Links" was put on the Rechts side

[outer frigate]

i love you

[summer crow]

Thanks for explaining that ❤️

[lament escarp]

Any chance there's been progress on this suggestion? It's been a while since the internal ticket was created, and there're a few things I'm looking to accomplish that this will allow

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T177742

(There are a few that this one was tied to at some point:

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T151696
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T151698
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178384)

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180763

ENTITY = createShot [CLASS, POSITION, VELOCITY, VECTORDIR, VEHICLE, INSTIGATOR, REAL, TRACER]

[gaunt depot]

If you create an entity and delete it right away, EntityCreated still fires and if you add Deleted EH there, it won't fire

Makes me wish for BOOL = isDeleted ENTITY so I can skip doing stuff with the entity in EntityCreated if its gonna be deleted this frame as I can't do that with Deleted EH

Can't not delete in a same frame, action DisAssemble does that

EntityDeleted is 2.18 away and way too broad

[fresh hawk]

Any chance to get this annoying bug fixed (2nd one mentioned in the original report)?
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T74244

[gaunt depot]

You could solve it with
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/selectThrowable

[fresh hawk]

That's workaround, not a fix.
There are other workarounds that don't require 2.18, however it would be neat not needing to handle throwables specially because of said bug.

[gaunt depot]

Yeah I guess its not really a fix

[unborn acorn]

Tail sound glitch if Mk20 and Katiba shoots at the same time, seems due strange volumeFactor and frequencyRandomizer values relative to other classes for rifles tail sounds
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178138#2598736

[near cedar]

nice catch!

[devout wave]

There's a small gap in our ability to reverse-engineer attachTos. https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180786

[unborn acorn]

Mic setting slider seems won't work, change value does not affect to volume, if set to 0 player still can be heard by others

[heady thunder]

Späm:https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180793

[gray wharf]

purged!

[heady thunder]

yäy

[gray wharf]

(and some others while I was at it)

[heady thunder]

yea, i bet there have been more but that was the only one that catched my attention ^^

idk where to ask this the best, but is there a known issue regarding a3 film grain, AMD GPU's and black pixels?

[gray wharf]

I would say update your drivers etc, then if it keeps happening search the Feedback Tracker, and if it doesn't exist you can create a ticket w/ repro

[heady thunder]

yea.. its not on my pc but we've been able to reproduce it on my AMD GPU's friends machine. im making the ticket rn.

[heady thunder]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180796

[outer frigate]

is it possible for something like a lod switch factor setting/command? would be very nice for screenshots as well as lowering lods in air etc

[unborn acorn]

ft ticket https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180798
test on hosted MP and dedi 2 clients, no voice change if mic sensitivity set to any value

[uncut briar]

BI has LOD forcing in their internal binary. Would be nice, at least for diag exe

[outer frigate]

yeah would be really nice to have

cant use some mimallocs when taking screenshots because of how aggressively they assign lods etc

[gaunt depot]

Tried UAVs on a live server:

21:30:46 Observer B Bravo 3-1:1 (chris) REMOTE in cargo of B Bravo 3-1:1 (chris) REMOTE; message was repeated in last 60 sec: 1238
```frequent spam

Some locality mess

Taking control of drone pilot ends up not transfering drone locality itself

Thanks Arma

Showing a classnames in this error message would've been helpful

as that B Bravo 3-1:1 (chris) can mean: player, vehicle, uav controlled by player

[gaunt depot]

Somehow people end up with both "To gunner seat" and "Take UAV turret controls"

Which locks the game up (no more scroll wheel menu to leave it)

[uncut briar]

wait what, mimalloc affects lodding?

[outer frigate]

yeah

using the jbgold one or whatever its called makes screenshot taking impossible

[uncut briar]

wtf how, shouldn't lods be managed for gpu load/vram

the allocator is for RAM

[outer frigate]

🤷

i just know i cant use it when im taking screenshots because i usually go back and zoom in

swapping alloc makes it fine

[near cedar]

Amazing

[gaunt depot]

LOL you indeed can disassemble other vehicles as drones

[desert trench]

Matrix is not valid as physx transform! Object: 1ef76ad8b80# 1724290: dummyweapon.p3d REMOTE, WeaponHolderSimulated, Remote
Get matrix of physx actor is not valid! Object: 1ef76ad8b80# 1724290: dummyweapon.p3d REMOTE, WeaponHolderSimulated, Remote

it this new/something of concern?

[limpid rune]

be worried when they start assembling each other.

[daring wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-wars-hypno-disc-robot-gif-19811099

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten Can I please get some engine insight for exact conditions for UAV Waypoint editing to work? The menu that appears when you right click on the waypoint in AV Terminal

I think it could be https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/isAutonomous check but probably certain checkAIFeature checks?

The whole system is really strange, if you disable only some AI features like targeting and shooting but leave movement and pathing, you can add waypoints but can't edit them

Probably not fixable through script, but maybe if I knew exactly what are the requirements, I could make a crutch?

Oh I found a hack how to make the engine let you use this menu with drone as not autonomous

findDisplay 160 displayCtrl 51 ctrlAddEventHandler ["MouseButtonUp", {
    uav setAutonomous true;
    onEachFrame {uav setAutonomous false; onEachFrame {}};
}];

Imagine doing anything properly in Arma

[gaunt depot]

But its a solution to this issue/bug

[dreamy bane]

if you do ```sqf
#define TEST_DEF true

#if TEST_DEF
systemchat "TEST";
#endif

because of the "true"

[fresh hawk]

I'm pretty sure #if wants 1 and not true

[dreamy bane]

yes I just wanted to point out that the error message it self is bizarre

[outer frigate]

thats arma standard

[solid marten]

Please ask me again towards the end of the week

[gaunt depot]

Ownership transfer of the vehicle takes unreasonbly long time, why can't we force it with setOwner once group transfer is complete? Took 13 seconds in this clip. First you control the driver, then later group transfers, then later the UAV itself.

Huh, looks like ownership order is undefined as well, this attempt I got vehicle first and the rest of the group 10 seconds later

Hint shows locality of group, vehicle and each UAV unit in the video

Its like there is regular ownership transfer check each X seconds or something

Sometimes it transfers quicker, sometimes slower

If we can't force switch this locality, maybe somehow speed up this engine transfer?

uav setOwnerTransferPriority true or something?

Or maybe the engine should prioritize player controlled ownership transfer?

I think it does for player driver already?

[gaunt depot]

Some mess with UAVs on perf build, UAVControl is very desyncronized

[gaunt depot]

We really need a way to hide engine actions

Having UAV terminal pollutes action menu with so much crap

Open UAV terminal, disconnect terminal, Take UAV controls, Take UAV gunner controls

When all this should be through the terminal instead

👆

player disableEngineAction "UAVTerminalReleaseConnection";
player disableEngineAction "SwitchToUAVDriver";
player disableEngineAction "SwitchToUAVGunner";

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T158795
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T158770

[gaunt depot]

I know actions are contextual and it can be very complicated to add checks everywhere, but perhaps it can be simple flip to show/hide the action from UI. Leave it for AI command even.

So simplest form could be something like

"UAVTerminalReleaseConnection" inGameUIEnableAction false;
"SwitchToUAVDriver" inGameUIEnableAction false;
"SwitchToUAVGunner" inGameUIEnableAction false;

OR redirect it into an event handler:

addMissionEventHandler ["HandleEngineActionShow", {
    params ["_action", "_unit", "_target"];
    _action in ["UAVTerminalReleaseConnection", "SwitchToUAVDriver", "SwitchToUAVGunner"]; // true for handled
}];

Or in inGameUISetEventHandler but that thing sucks

[gray wharf]

I would say just tell the encountered issue, don't explain a potential solution - you may keep hair this way 😄

[gaunt depot]

Sorry for being annoying, I'll move this into a ticket comment.

[dreamy bane]

made a ticket about the collision bug we found earlier: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180863

[deep plaza]

there is a bug if you create Post Process Effects then go to video options and change the PIP settings to anything after setting the Post Process Effects it will destroy Post Process Effects
example:

"ColorInversion" ppEffectAdjust [0.5, 0.5, 0.5];
"ColorInversion" ppEffectEnable true;
"ColorInversion" ppEffectCommit 0;

[gray wharf]

make a tikit if it doesn't exist already!

[solid marten]

Does this event handler trigger? https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#PostReset
@gray wharf btw why does it say obsolete?

[devout wave]

#community_wiki message

tl;dr:

• it's an object EH instead of a mission EH for some reason
• it doesn't work properly
• it was only implemented in DX9

[solid marten]

I had it working long time ago pretty sure of that

[gray wharf]

I wrote the Obsolete part, but I have no idea/memory why
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki?title=Arma_3:_Event_Handlers&diff=next&oldid=337328

so yes #community_wiki message

[gray wharf]

thanks for the dig o7

[outer frigate]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180879
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180875
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180864
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180860
spa

m

cc @blu montana

[gray wharf]

nukeded

[untold sky]

The error formatting is wrong yeah.
It should be more like
"Preprocessor failed on file C:\Users\user\Documents\Arma 3\missions\garbage.VR\init.sqf - error 11 (source (empty filename), line 3)."
I'll fix it.

Btw do we document these error codes anywhere?
NoError,
StreamOpenError,
IncludeError,
IncludeMaxRecursion,
DefineError,
DefineParamError,
ParseExit,
InvalidPreprocessorCommand,
UnexceptedEndOfFile,
ToManyParameters,
ToFewParameters,
UnexceptedSymbol = 11,
EndIfExcepted,

Might be smart if we would print them as string, but I don't wanna do that now, maybe I'll do it some other day.

actually even the empty filename is wrong, we have filename.
And looking at that code I find even more bugs.

We added a hacky trick to not force-kill the game if a include in description.ext was not found.
But, that code makes the same mistake as the one that prints the bogus "empty filename" message.
That makes the fix only apply directly to description.ext.

If you include a file and that file includes another file that was not found, we still force-kill the game. Even if it started in description.ext. That doesn't seem like that was the intention

[untold sky]

The message is not new.
But I have not seen that message until a couple months ago.
That can happen when that weapon holder has invalid position/orientation.
Did you manage to produce that yourself?

[unborn acorn]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180885
It seems configuration for weapon of AH-9 Pawnee helicopter was written and lost it sound sets for shots and tails

[desert trench]

thanks for the info.

happened in our last play-test last Sunday with 2.16 (mix of stable and perf branch).
nothing really unusual happened that we noticed

will check logs again this Sunday

[unborn acorn]

~~spam https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180798#2600911~~

[gaunt depot]

Alt. syntax for moveInAny to force move a unit into a seat regardless of vehicle being alive, locked or upside down: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180897

Right now you can't move say a driver into vehicle if its upside down. Turning it back up within same frame doesn't help.

[regal nimbus]

Hmm. Did I ever report that bug with moveInAny...

(if you use it for a gunner seat, AI vehicles will not drive)

[unborn acorn]

"Smoke out" radio message from units work ok but "Frag out" and "Incoming frag" do not work at all
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180926

[daring wagon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180930 missing define in spectator UI script

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180929 Deleting backpack entity AFTER WeaponAssembled event handler could be useful to pass some properties from the backpack to vehicle it assembles to, for example in case where backpack wasn't assembled once yet and there is no entity attached to it, you can add variables to backpack and pass to assembled vehicle later on the event.

[solid marten]

The backpack is already deleted after the EH runs, what is not working?

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, I only checked on stable

[solid marten]

dont think the code was touched unless dedmen touched it

[gaunt depot]

Yeah its the same on perf

Backpack is deleted before the EH, backpackContainer returns null inside EH

[solid marten]

so how one reproes?

[gaunt depot]

Start game, run code bit:

if(isNil{player getVariable "WeaponAssembled"}) then {
    player setVariable ["WeaponAssembled", player addEventHandler ["WeaponAssembled", {call WeaponAssembledFunc}]];
};

WeaponAssembledFunc = {
    params ["_unit", "_vehicle"];
    systemChat str ["backpackContainer", backpackContainer player];
};

player addBackpack "B_UAV_01_backpack_F";
player action ["Assemble"];

Observe chat

Vehicle exists, backpack doesn't

I want to ask to swap the order so both vehicle and backpack still exist during EH run

So you can transfer variables from backpack entity to vehicle entity

in case vehicle wasn't unpacked yet and non-existent

If done might as well expand the EH so it provides backpack there

so people are more aware of such feature

[solid marten]

And I'm telling you the code deletes backpack after event ran

so if it is comes a null then it is something else

[gaunt depot]

Do you see backpack entity in the chat?

[solid marten]

havent tried the repro yet i am looking at code

[daring wagon]

I am not sure how the stringtables work internally, but would it be possible to have an alt syntax for the localize command to force a certain language?

[solid marten]

I'm going to add primary, secondary bag to the EH, as I said they do exist at the time EH runs

[gaunt depot]

Great, that will be very useful

[solid marten]

enough to retreive variables unless you spawn the code

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, maybe WeaponDisassembled could get same treatment?

[solid marten]

whats wrong there

[gaunt depot]

Have the vehicle there too

[solid marten]

lemmie check

[gaunt depot]

much easier too, as vehicle is simply moved out

[solid marten]

"Disassembled" EH returns weapon, bag1, bag2

disassembled -> weapon, bag1, bag2, unit
weapondisassembled-> unit, bag1, bag2, weapon

[gaunt depot]

Nice!

[solid marten]

Gonna add Assembled EH as well since disassembled vehicle is not deleted

assembled -> weapon, bag1, bag2, unit

[lament escarp]

Not entirely related, but since we're talking about eventHandlers, has there been any notable progress on a solution to these?

[gaunt depot]

Still need the backpack in WeaponAssembled because this is most crucial part, right now if vehicle doesn't exist yet, its already too late to access backpacks as they're deleted by the time of the EH

[solid marten]

what vehicle

[gaunt depot]

Oh wait I mistyped it, meant the backpack

[solid marten]

weaponassembled -> unit, weapon, bag1, bag2

actually assembled -> weapon, bag1, bag2, unit woll be assembled -> weapon, unit, bag1, bag2 for consistency with weaponxxxx variant

[gaunt depot]

Nice!

[solid marten]

Next dev

[gaunt depot]

Thanks!

[solid marten]

nope, the stringtable is loaded at game start for the language it is started with, so other languages exist only in files but not loaded

[solid marten]

Havent started on those yet

[lament escarp]

No problem, just wanted to see! Thanks for the update!

[unborn acorn]

KK, grenade impact sound is default for any surface due missing soundHit param in CfgSurfaces
Can game take into account surfaceType to hit correct sound so no need change configuration, idk maybe less work?
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T165776

[devout wave]

Someone was working on that not too long ago, I think they basically had it working

messages in this vicinity #arma3_feedback_tracker message

[solid marten]

havent looked at those, but throwing grenade at shooting range wooden partitions produces correct hit sound now

impact sound, the collisions are under impactxxxx

wait for the next dev then we take it from there

[devout wave]

@ KK: you marked this ticket (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T72838) as feedback in the middle of updating a bunch of tickets about grenades breaking glass, with the same rev number. I just want to check if that ticket's (substantially different) issue was in fact fixed, or if it got accidentally included in the ticket-updating spree because the title has the relevant keywords in it.

[solid marten]

mistake

[fresh hawk]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180137#2600104
Well-disguised spam

[stone tree]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/p/Elizabeth27/

Spam account 😦

[gray wharf]

nukeded

[desert trench]

didnt happen again this time - we played other scenarios tho

[devout wave]

Would it be non-backwards-compatible to change canMove to check the fuel level of ground vehicles as well as aircraft? It's kind of bizarre that it doesn't already.
(https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/canMove)

[gaunt depot]

BOOL = ENTITY canMoveInfo INDEX

Though its probably very few conditions for a new command

[desert trench]

1. what is the reason Eden isnt able to create a consistent mission.sqm? (different rounding or precision for certain values/parameters, swapping the order of attributes - even if you dont change anything!)
2. any chance of this still getting fixed?

its super annoying for diffs/verification/to identify what has been changed/what has been changed/committed by mistake) 🤯

[gray wharf]

-0 / 0, I get ya

[desert trench]

true. there is actually a few more even 🙈

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180988 Killed and EntityKilled events aren't firing if you crash heli drone while HandleDamage tries to stop the damage

[limpid rune]

Is there a chance of seeing an improvement to: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/sendSimpleCommand
or a new command?
At the moment the turning commands are utterly useless as there's some massive delay (even without regard for the radio message) that makes it virtually impossible to do anything but make a vehicle spin around.

Something like
unit CommandTurn direction
or an altSyntax for sendSimpleCommand
vehicle sendSimpleCommand ["TURN",direction];

as the current ways to get an AI driver to face a particular direction are varying levels of suck/broken

Usually by ordering them to move somewhere in the distance in the direction you want

that or removing the delay so it works like player direct command does

[unborn acorn]

My chat gone after press Esc key to open 'pause' menu, no (player messages, system texts, killfeed, VoN names) more, tested on stable and prof v5 in official warlords
Can anyone confirm please? seems this started a few weeks ago but my local arma files are ok idk why if happens

[gaunt depot]

there was some BS regarding ESC menu hiding chat

        if(!isStreamFriendlyUIEnabled && (uiNamespace getVariable ["BIS_shownChat", true])) then
        {
            showChat true;
        };
``` on `unLoad` of `RscDisplayMPInterrupt`

So either you have stream friendly on or that BIS_shownChat wasn't set

[unborn acorn]

StreamFriendlyUI, yeah thx

[desert trench]

[Bug] Saving in Eden causes inconsistent mission.sqm
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181002

[solid marten]

Same, I had it accidentally on (not sure how) and I was loosing my mind why things were not displaying. But it is what it is.

[solid marten]

do you have any evidence that 1.23e-6 and 1.23e-06 are different value? I dont see any bug, the editor can write file anyway it wants as long as it loads it back with the same values

[regal nimbus]

I assume the issue is that if you're using source control, SQM files are super-spammy with tiny changes.

[solid marten]

thats a bug?

[regal nimbus]

I wouldn't call it a bug.

[uncut briar]

It's quite an annoyance

[desert trench]

you can see it as "reproducible builds"

for collaboration the inconsistency is super bad

you want only actual changes to happen

not some "bit flipping" back and forth

[solid marten]

understandable annoyance. Is there an option in diff software to not detect moves or some other options? If the container for attributes is some unordered map then I dont know what one can do without changing container and then bunch of other things.

[uncut briar]

No diff software will be able to figure out that nothing changed is things reorder in such big text file, but quite a lot of annoyances also come from simple numbers.

Open mission, do nothing, save, reopen, save. It's different again :|

I guess it's floating point errors

[outer frigate]

to me looks like it should be rounded

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T142540 Anybody had this happen to them?

People suddenly started noticing mags vanishing during reload in KotH so I went to investiage, long going issue apparently

[fresh hawk]

Yes, but given I play modded, I can't say it's due to mods or basegame

[devout wave]

I've heard reports of it happening very occasionally to other people, but haven't noticed it happening to me personally

[unborn acorn]

right now playing official combat patrol on hosted mp and every reload -1 full mag

[gaunt depot]

Ticket has a video of it happening on empty VR mission 🤔

[unborn acorn]

Try to drag mag from weapon to vest, my disappear after this action
upd: host cannot repro this only clients

[hallow sun]

We reproduced this on a vanilla server within a few minutes xD
In this video you see me reloading and it shows 7 for the magazine count for a short time and then 6 again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucpJ-SA4dBc

We also reproduced the bug where you change a vest/uniform/backpack and single mag also disappears in the same session as the video above.
The other guy uploaded on streamable and the video is already offline sadly.
I still got the same bug from my modded server on a GIF tho https://gyazo.com/18f902af3a44e62b1f731b70ae0000d7

[gaunt depot]

Huh, interesting. I think this bug could use some attention as it affects pretty much all gameplay 🤔

[limpid rune]

gestures (like throwing grenades) can break reloads and eat the magazine

might be related to that

[unborn acorn]

Any gestures can eat mag another example is mod animations for TFAR

[fast lodge]

Had this issue for a long time now, but lately people complain about it even more that magazines even vanish while moving them from one container to another...

I made a little fix for magazines disappearing after reloading and it works 9/10 times, it basically checks your mag count before you started reloading and 2 sec after it's done and if it dissepears it regives you one, but for that you have to disable some thinga otherwise people could dupe the mag.

So yea mags dissappear when moving them between containers and sometimes 2-8 seconds after reloading

The netcode for the inventory system is completely buggy, it's crazy

[fast lodge]

People say that if they drag the magazine out of the gun to their inventory they loose it as well

[turbid terrace]

Quick note: skipTime doesn't respect overcast limits and goes under 0 and over 1.
Ex: skipTime (random 24);

[ashen wagon]

Yes - almost every time, server only and new since Tuesday

[bleak sphinx]

We also recently had a report of a player experiencing this.. he had two navid mags, one loaded at 148 shots and one full in the backpack. After reloading the one with 148 shots just goes poof.

[desert trench]

Radio protocols when throw frag grenade won't work
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180926

this is likely an easy fix. simulation change in A3 with the ammo probably broke this

[smoky dome]

Yeah while testing around i could a unit to lose the mag on each reload...

[solid marten]

What are you talking about? From that ticket it is not obvious at all what the problem is. If you have more info, please add to the ticket

[gaunt depot]

Bug in inAreaArrayIndexes:

private _area = [positionCameraToWorld [0,0,0], 20, 20, 0, true, 20];
[
     [player] inAreaArrayIndexes _area
    ,[player] inAreaArray _area
]
``` => `[[],[B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra)]]`
```sqf
private _area = [positionCameraToWorld [0,0,0], 20, 20, 0, true, -20];
[
     [player] inAreaArrayIndexes _area
    ,[player] inAreaArray _area
]
``` => `[[0],[B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra)]]`

[daring wagon]

Simulation type of CfgAmmo shotGrenade doesn't trigger radio protocoll

[gaunt depot]

Oh -20 is treated like no Z check

Anyway, updated the ticket with this bug

[limpid rune]

Yeah there's a voice line for 'frag out!' etc that's unused, while the smoke one gets used

there's also an 'incoming grenade' one that's unused

[daring wagon]

😮

[solid marten]

-1 but usually it checks <0 so yeah not a bug

[solid marten]

doesnt mean the simulation is wrong as kju seems to be implying

[unborn acorn]

I changed the simulation for the frag grenade to the simulation of the smoke grenade, after when throw frag grenade the radio protocol trigger "Smoke out" message
this reason I assumed that the problem is in the shotGrenade simulation

[devout wave]

I don't think that's what kju meant. I think they were just saying that something changed sim type in the A2>A3 change, and the voice protocol thing was never updated to account for that. So it was broken by a change in simulation, but the simulation isn't broken (and kju didn't say it was).

I've got a feeling it's something like ShotGrenade didn't exist in A2 and frags were simulated as bullets.

[limpid rune]

they were shotShell iirc

[desert trench]

well its an assumption - from what i recall both grenade and smoke grenade did work in A2:OA when it was introduced.
what changed in A3: 1) the RP system was revised to some extent 2) smokeX simulation was introduced

so yeah could still be something else. however there is a good lead and the test by @unborn acorn tells its related to the simulation

[heady thunder]

Späm

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180223

[gaunt depot]

Tested it, works in 0.50, doesn't work in 1.10

Config differences:
1.10 reduced damage and typicalspeed, added more sounds, added deflecting = 15; and shadow = 1;

class CfgAmmo {
    class Grenade;
    class GrenadeHand:Grenade {
        hit = 20;
        indirectHit = 18;
        indirectHitRange = 7;
        typicalspeed = 20;
    };
};

OA:

    hit = 20;
    indirectHit = 18;
    indirectHitRange = 7;
    typicalspeed = 60;

class CfgAmmo {
    class Grenade;
    class GrenadeHand:Grenade {
        hit = 10.00001;
    };
};

Posted in the ticket

[gaunt depot]

Huh, turns out there is absolutely no scripted control over countermeasures

No way to get current mode, no way to select mode

selectWeaponTurret, action UseWeapon, non seem to work with vehicle CMs 🤔

ARRAY = VEHICLE currentCM TURRET -> [WEAPON, MUZZLE, MODE, MAGAZINE, [magazineId, creatorId]]
BOOL = VEHICLE selectCM [TURRET, WEAPON, [MUZZLE, [MODE, [MAGAZINE]]]] -> BOOL = found

Personally I need it to check if player selected single use aircraft countermeasure and revert it back to burst only to forbid single drops

Anything else to include in request ticket?

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181063

[steady jasper]

for anyone else interested in the particular issue when AI stops following the convoy leader: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181098
I have been able to reproduce the problem. which means it should be easier for a developer to pinpoint the issue. hopefully it can still get fixed because it can happen so often that it makes it impossible to create cool convoys in Arma 3.

[uncut briar]

How feasible it would be to look over LODing, it's bit ridiculous with vegetation when you zoom a tiny bit and models turn 2D

it feels like there's something really wrong in how it works when objects in center of your FOV are so low res while ones on the edge are fine.

(using extreme object quality here but it does not matter)

[gray wharf]

it feels like there's something really wrong in how it works when objects in center of your FOV are so low res while ones on the edge are fine.
yes, iirc there was a wrong calculation of things very close to screen centre, I saw it reported years ago (Arrowhead perhaps?) but I don't think it got fixed

[uncut briar]

pls fix 🙏 It's so annoying.

I haven't got 4090 to look at 2d billboards ;<

[gray wharf]

at least you have very fast 2D billboards!

[uncut briar]

and also bit gameplay disrupting too as it's harder to see through the 2d ones as they're bit more dense usually.

[hallow sun]

I feel it got worse, don't remember having this problem some years ago.

[gaunt depot]

private _area = [positionCameraToWorld [0,0,0], 20, 20, 0, true, 20];
[
     [player] inAreaArrayIndexes _area
    ,[player] inAreaArray _area
]
``` => `[[],[B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra)]]` this is still bugged though

Posted it in the original ticket: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T170535

[uncut briar]

maybe @gaunt depot could try comparing some trees through strong scopes in the old build.

[gaunt depot]

I think it got this bad after Apex update with LOD blending

I remember noticing it back then but didn't both complaining

[solid marten]

[[0],[B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV)]]

dunno why you have empty array

[gaunt depot]

🤔

[solid marten]

can you be specific with repro plz?

[gaunt depot]

AGL/ASL issue?

[solid marten]

i just ran your code

[gaunt depot]

Yep, it is

Try on a mountain/large hill

inAreaArrayIndexes uses ASL, inAreaArray uses AGL

[solid marten]

yep

inareaarray - center: Array format Position2D or PositionAGL, Object or Group
inareaarrayIndexes -
positions: Array of Objects and/or Positions and/or Locations and/or Strings and/or Groups, where:
Objects - entities
Positions - 2D or 3D positions
Locations - locations
Strings - markers
Groups - AI groups, the position is the leader's position

dunno what can be done it is not the same command that just returns indexes

[gaunt depot]

I'd make it uniform and change it to treat position as AGL

[solid marten]

yeah too late for that

[gaunt depot]

I'm fine with leaving it as is, just mention on wiki, but I'd prefer to do the right thing and fix it now

The chances for it to break something are very slim, you have to use the command and care about Z to affect you

[solid marten]

@gray wharf ^^^

it is 4 versions away, no chance

2.14 -> 2.18

since it lasted that long I guess it was never this big of a deal

[uncut briar]

I'm pretty sure not much people use it

[solid marten]

i'm not

[uncut briar]

It's for quite advanced use cases

at least in case of open source mods

https://github.com/search?q=inAreaArrayIndexes&type=code

[solid marten]

it was built for speed AFAIR so the position aquisition is the fastest as well as it take another bunch of positions

[uncut briar]

only antistasi uses it on GH and they assume it's ATL 💀

[solid marten]

strange, it says what kind of position it takes right there on wiki

if you pass object for position all is good

in fact I would argue it is more convenient inAreaArray to have world position rather than agl

[gray wharf]

so all good?

[gaunt depot]

inAreaArrayIndexes uses PositionASL for center, unlike inAreaArray that uses PositionAGL

[gaunt depot]

Had a look at it, its just as shitty in both 0.50 and 1.10

The threshold in 0.50 seems to be somewhat different but its hard to say exactly as binoculars have different magnification

Same issue, focusing on a tree makes it go into lower LOD

[outer frigate]

i also notice this during debriefs after ops; people at edges of my screen will be res 0 but center will be res 1 or 2 regardless of object quality

[gaunt depot]

11 years, almost the same issue

[gray wharf]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/inAreaArray
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/inAreaArrayIndexes

[uncut briar]

@untold sky did some digging in some 3d calculations recently in 3den, maybe this one won't be too hard too

[outer frigate]

inshallah

[gaunt depot]

This ASL-AGL difference is only about area position, I'd change wording in warning a bit

[gray wharf]

fixed

[gaunt depot]

Pre-Apex vegetation, so pretty

🤔

[regal nimbus]

Actually the assumption is that it uses the same defaults as inAreaArray, which is infinite Z anyway.

The inAreaArrayIndexes documentation doesn't mention the defaults.

[gaunt depot]

I haven't used Z with the command before so I'm not affected but I'd vote to fix it and make it uniform

[gaunt depot]

Anybody would find something like BOOL = isDeleted ENTITY useful?

A command that would check if deleted flag was set or if entity is already deleted (null)

private _obj = createVehicle [typeOf player, getPos player, [], 0, ""];
isDeleted _obj; // false
deleteVehicle _obj;
isDeleted _obj; // true
isNull _obj; // false

[daring wagon]

Perhaps as an extension tohttps://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getEntityInfo

[gaunt depot]

Good idea!

[gaunt depot]

On another thought, if object is already null, it would return nil

While dedicated command should return true 🤔

What I mean:

deleteVehicle _obj;
isNull _obj; // false
_obj getEntityInfo X; // true (isDeleted)
...later...
isNull _obj; // true
_obj getEntityInfo X; // nil (isDeleted)

unless the scripting command will return true that property for deleted entities

[solid marten]

object becoming null after it set to be deleted is very quick, what is the use case?

[solid marten]

I dont like this

[gaunt depot]

Don't have a dev build right now to test, but doesn't ENTTIY getEntityInfo INDEX return nil for null object, according to wiki?

Meant that I don't like that, if that's the case

[solid marten]

probably returns default value

[gaunt depot]

If so then having it as part of getEntityInfo should be fine

[solid marten]

true for when flag is set false otherwise, but what do you need it for?

[gaunt depot]

Personally I have two use cases:

1. I have a complex branching conditions for deleting projectile inside Fired event handler and some branches end up with projectile deletion. Checking if projectile was deleted later would be useful to avoid other code that expects it to be there. Sure, this is solve-able by restructuring code, adding deleted flag, etc., but this is second time when I needed to know if entity was marked for deletion
2. If you add Deleted EH from within EntityCreated and delete the entity right away, the event wont fire. I have some logic that relies on this EH, but I could skip it if I was able to check if entity is already marked for deletion.

Didn't explain full extent at #2 but I have cases where Deleted doesn't fire on deletion and having that flag would let me skip code that assumes the entity won't be deleted right away

[solid marten]

gotcha

did you check if object you were adding deleted eh was null already?

[gaunt depot]

🤔

[solid marten]

are we talking about ammo projectiles?

they have terminated flag that is set when they need deletion

[gaunt depot]

Yes, ammo

[gaunt depot]

if(!isNil"eceh") then {removeMissionEventHandler ["EntityCreated", eceh]};
eceh = addMissionEventHandler ["EntityCreated", {
    diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "EntityCreated", _this];
    deh2 = u addEventHandler ["Deleted", {diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "Deleted 2", _this]}];
    diag_log ["Deleted info 1", _this getEventHandlerInfo ["Deleted", deh1]];
    diag_log ["Deleted info 2", _this getEventHandlerInfo ["Deleted", deh2]];
}];
u = group player createUnit [typeOf player, getPos player, [], 0, ""];
deh1 = u addEventHandler ["Deleted", {diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "Deleted 1", _this]}];
deleteVehicle u;
```=>```
19:10:08 ["1467748","Deleted 1",[238d4b79240# 166165: c_poloshirt.p3d]]
19:10:08 ["1467749","EntityCreated",238d4b79240# 166165: c_poloshirt.p3d]
19:10:08 ["Deleted info 1",[true,false,2]]
19:10:08 ["Deleted info 2",[true,true,2]]

Both EHs exist, only one fires

[solid marten]

so entitycreated keeps reference to the unit which is why it is not set to null but deletion eh simulation had run already, so you can add eh as it is not null but it will never run.

I suppose it makes sense yo have getter for set for deletion option similar to isDeadSet

[unborn acorn]

Fixed: Any surface impact for grenades was using the ground impact sound
This fix not for surfaces i.e. not for surfaces where characters can move
see 1st picture (metal wall) - metal impact sound, 2nd picture (metal floor) - still default ground impact sound
This is due issue from this ticket https://feedback.bistudio.com/T165776

[daring wagon]

17:26:15 Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_spaceship_removeparachute_meta
Has it always been the case that whenever I preview a mission in editor I get 5k lines of this?

Tested on stable, vanilla, no startup parameters.

I find it weird that initFunctions.sqf tries to overwrite functions itself compiled final

Nevermind, that "Recompile Functions" checkbox in Eden Editor was checked....and suddenly previewing is like twice as fast.

[outer frigate]

oh you have to enable recompile...

[solid marten]

if(!isNil"eceh") then {removeMissionEventHandler ["EntityCreated", eceh]};
eceh = addMissionEventHandler ["EntityCreated", {
    diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "EntityCreated4", _this, u getEntityInfo 14];
    deh2 = u addEventHandler ["Deleted", {diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "Deleted 2", _this]}];
    diag_log ["Deleted info 1", _this getEventHandlerInfo ["Deleted", deh1], _this getEntityInfo 14];
    diag_log ["Deleted info 2", _this getEventHandlerInfo ["Deleted", deh2], _this getEntityInfo 14];
}];
u = group player createUnit [typeOf player, getPos player, [], 0, ""];
diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "EntityCreated1", _this, u getEntityInfo 14];
deh1 = u addEventHandler ["Deleted", {diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "Deleted 1", _this]}];
diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "EntityCreated2", _this, u getEntityInfo 14];
deleteVehicle u;
diag_log [diag_frameno toFixed 0, "EntityCreated3", _this, u getEntityInfo 14];

 9:13:55 ["110865","EntityCreated2",[],false]
 9:13:55 ["110865","Deleted 1",[2518fcc8280# 10: b_soldier_01.p3d]]
 9:13:55 ["110865","EntityCreated3",[],true]
 9:13:55 ["110866","EntityCreated4",2518fcc8280# 10: b_soldier_01.p3d,true]
 9:13:55 ["Deleted info 1",[true,false,2],true]
 9:13:55 ["Deleted info 2",[true,true,2],true]

[gaunt depot]

Nice!

Does it also work for projectiles or it will be in getShotInfo?

Does objNull getEntityInfo 14 return true?

[solid marten]

gimmie repro and i will tell you

[gaunt depot]

player addEventHandler ["Fired", {
    private _shot = _this select 6;
    systemChat str [_shot, _shot getEntityInfo 14];
    deleteVehicle _shot;
    systemChat str [_shot, _shot getEntityInfo 14];
}];

[solid marten]

getEntityInfo is for EntityAI , shots are Entity, so it will have to go to getShotInfo, so it will have to be ```sqf

player addEventHandler ["Fired", {
private _shot = _this select 6;
systemChat str [_shot, _shot getShotInfo 7];
deleteVehicle _shot;
systemChat str [_shot, _shot getShotInfo 7];
}];```

[gaunt depot]

What do these flags return on null entities?

[solid marten]

default

[gaunt depot]

My original idea for isDeleted assumed it to return true if its null entity

So you can check for both flag and actual deletion

[solid marten]

you can always do the isnull check

[gaunt depot]

Alright

[solid marten]

the flag is just that whether or not the flag is set, it can only be set on existing entity so null entity is false

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, I guess doing additional check is alright

isNull _entity || {_entity getEntityInfo 14}

[solid marten]

you should do it anyway for other getxxxinfo

otherwise you wont know if you are getting a default value or real value

[gaunt depot]

Deletion is kind of on another level than just entity property, so I thought it would be logical for it to also cover nulls

But since its part of entity info and not a dedicated command, it wont make much sense for it to return true

[solid marten]

if (isAboutNullButNotQuiteYetButSoonWillBe _entity) then {...}

[gaunt depot]

isUnitDeadButTheirBrainIsStillAlive ENTITY

[gray wharf]

private _isUnitDeadButTheirBrainIsStillAlive = not alive _unit && isNull group _unit;
if (_isUnitDeadButTheirBrainIsStillAlive) then { hint format ["%1 is dead", name _unit] };

[untold sky]

no, when it reads the stringtable it skips other languages. They aren't loaded or stored

[gray wharf]

and is there a trolling possibility to setLanguage "Greek"? 😄

[untold sky]

Yeah doable. "VTMAbs, _dirWanted RadioMessageVAzimut" into ticket

[untold sky]

would need to reload all stringtables. probably not

[outer frigate]

setLanguage "Pirate" 🥲

[limpid rune]

cool do you want me to make a ticket or did you make an internal one?

[untold sky]

you

[limpid rune]

rgr

[gray wharf]

just press ARRRRRR

[limpid rune]

@untold sky https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181170

[unborn acorn]

Ticket requesting to grenades make foliage impact sounds not soft ground sound when hitting vegetation
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181237

[fresh hawk]

Any chance to get isNil's Syntax 3 (in dev) to work with locations?

[solid marten]

what do you mean?

[fresh hawk]

Have the namespace isNil variableName syntax support locations

Because locations support setVariable/getVariable

[gray wharf]

and ctrl and everything that can have a namespace actually

[desert trench]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/createSimpleObject supports both shapeName and className
it seems to first try to generate via className and only after with shapeName (model path)

this leads to

Calling 'CfgVehicles >> ""' (empty parameter name)

[gaunt depot]

 testheli = createVehicle ["O_Heli_Light_02_unarmed_F", player modelToWorld [0,200,100], [], 0, "FLY"]; 
 testheli setVectorUp [0,0,-1]; 
 testheli setVelocity [0,0,-50]; 
 testheli addEventHandler ["Killed", {systemChat str ["Killed", _this]}]; 
````Killed` event handler doesn't fire ![thonk](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1098612853579206656.webp?size=128 "thonk")

[solid marten]

and if you add setvelocity with delay?

or add EH first thing after vehicle creation?

[gaunt depot]

no difference

[gaunt depot]

with delay it happens sometimes

Looks like there is no event with some crash angles

[solid marten]

is the helli definitely killed as in alive false?

[gaunt depot]

alive testheli => false

[solid marten]

could you make a ticket plz

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181306

[desert trench]

unable to get word:'IAmReady' in protocol:'radioprotocolbase'
anyone knows how this can happen? it seems an unit without a proper identity (speaker) tries to use the RP

[desert trench]

however the engine should default to a valid speaker - at least i assume this is what this is about:

No speaker given for 'Ryan Nelson'
Speaker male03ger not found, patched to default Male01ENG

[unborn acorn]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178415
requesting 2 commands for set time to reload magazine and time between every weapon shot

• getters

[outer frigate]

is there any interest/ability to expand rebreathers to be able to be facewears/helmets?

[cyan basin]

a3 has working rebreathers? can units go underwater?

[alpine tulip]

Yes...?

[devout wave]

I know no one really uses the underwater stuff but I didn't realise people didn't even know it existed

[outer frigate]

i use it a crap ton in my unit

but i do a niche role in it lmao

[cyan basin]

yeah, i think most people dont know about underwater operations in arma 3 unless they're looking for it or join a unit that does it. it seems like its pretty niche and sort of a underrated feature

[near cedar]

I don't know if it's underrated, seems very niche

[alpine tulip]

Pun detected

[sinful kettle]

If you'd just played the showcases you'd have seen it

I think it was the 2nd or 3rd showcase

[cyan basin]

oh okay, i forgot

[cold root]

Switching to a playable unit and then switching back will make the 2nd unit frozen and wont fall in formation

If I'm an SL and switch to the sniper for example and switch back to the SL, the sniper unit will stand there and not fall back into formation unless given a command

STEPS TO REPRODUCE
-Place a group that is all playable
-Switch from one to the other and then back to the first
-The unit you switched to the first time will stand frozen and not fall in formation

[cyan basin]

post it in https://feedback.bistudio.com

[gaunt depot]

Anybody would find useful a scripting flag to force close the parachute?

I assume that current implementation initiates closure when parachute is touching ground which ends up with parachute starting and stopping closing animation making it looks terrible, it looks even worse with remote parachutes. The whole thing is ancient, but if we could control that flag through scripting we could improve it in our missions

ENTITY forceParachuteClosing BOOL

Maybe even 3 states: Default (closes when touches ground by the engine), Always closing, Never closing?

[limpid rune]

an eventhandler for when its closing would be good too

so you can see when the parachute landed

[gaunt depot]

iirc it was just isTouchingGround check?

But yeah, firing an event when the engine would've liked it to start closing could be useful too

[limpid rune]

at least on terrain its the same yeah

[gaunt depot]

Less per frame checks

I think isTouchingGround also works with touching objects?

But I also remember it being unreliable for remote vehicles

[west onyx]

just delete the chute

these details dont even register in players mind

tree falling in the woods stuff

[gaunt depot]

I do notice it all the time. I know Arma is made out of jank but I still try to reduce it as much as possible

[west onyx]

you notice it, your players dont

i agree the animation is ugly, just delete the chute

[gaunt depot]

But I do

There are sometimes cases where parachutes aren't deletable too, not sure why this even happens

[west onyx]

your weakness has always been budgeting time to stuff the end user doesnt feeel or care about xD

precious dev time

[gaunt depot]

I eject player when parachute have landed (touching ground for X time), but then deletion doesn't seem to work randomly

[gaunt depot]

Half a year spent developing accurate damage tracking, just to show grenade icons in a kill feed and magazine name on "killed by" screen

[west onyx]

i wasnt joking 😄

[gaunt depot]

But I know EVERYTHING now!

(Nobody cares)

[west onyx]

nice

do you track when laser target is near the killed entity?

and give the laser target owner an assist?

i thought of doing something like that to reward people who lase targets for CAS in coop, but never tested anything

[gaunt depot]

Its even more complicated, shooter checks if there are laser targets on HitPart hit and informs the server that this damage combo should be attributed with laser assist

[west onyx]

ah wow so laser logs as a hit?

[gaunt depot]

So you can lase a helicopter, it gets damaged, crashes 10 seconds later and lasing player is still attributed the kill

No, HitPart from the shooting damage

Checks for lasers near hit target

[west onyx]

ah

how about like, player with laser, adds variable to the target. killer checks for recent laser variables

[gaunt depot]

I thought that looking for lasers on hits would be cheaper than PF for laser shooters

Plus its more reliable so you know target was lased exactly when it got hit

No assumptions

[west onyx]

thank hell i never had to get into damage/kill stuff like that

[gaunt depot]

I felt like these perfectionist movie/cartoon makes that spend years on one project never finishing it or finishing it and its all for nothing as nobody cares

[west onyx]

it is disappointing tho when you spend ages doing something cool and no one notices (despite good traffic/playtime) 😄

[gaunt depot]

I know almost everything about Arma damage now

Just in time for RV to become irrelevant 👏

[west onyx]

still i think we were both quite lucky with being able to create things and see thousands of players having fun with the creations shortly after ... obviously fewer players now, but thinking 2014-2019

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, that was always #1 thing for me, players having fun

[west onyx]

yep i did most of my dev stuff in debug console while quietly observing with zeus

[gaunt depot]

I wonder if we ever could get lineIntersects* that works only within a single entity (several entities), to avoid hacks of spawning simple model outside of the map and all the mess associated with it? Is there even such functionality in the engine?

[west onyx]

no one ever told you... you did a good job, you can rest. no need to keep arma dev. you can ride off into the sunset, take up fishing or something

that goes for @solid marten too

take up a quiet hobby, far from RV4

[gaunt depot]

Start a chicken farm?

[gray wharf]

nice way to ditch the competition
but please keep it about FT / suggs 😄

[solid marten]

what does?

[sinful kettle]

ofc there is. that's how it works in the first place (it transforms the world pos to model space and performs the intersection)

[gaunt depot]

Would've been useful to have proper version of https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/intersect

That one only works for named selection or some mess like that

[sinful kettle]

Yeah

[gaunt depot]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ropeEndPosition
are simulation scope positions, right?

[gaunt depot]

Am I the only one who missed FPS cheat setting 5 FPS?

Very useful to reduce network updates rate

Rope network sync is so bad I wish I could just create local ropes or something

[gaunt depot]

Is setGestureSpeedCoef possible? Met a problem where animations get speed up due to arma mess but setAnimSpeedCoef is not enough to fix them, unit ends up with x4 gesture animation 🤔

[gaunt depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLQXnfbGKk4

TF2 Soldier be like

[west onyx]

@solid marten regarding https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_remainsCollector , it seems strange to have meta data in the same array as the entities

[disposalPeriod, managerMode, removeLimit, removeMinTime, removeMaxTime, minPlayerDistance, unit1, unit2....]

any chance to split

    [
        disposalPeriod, 
        managerMode, 
        removeLimit, 
        removeMinTime, 
        removeMaxTime, 
        minPlayerDistance
    ],
    [
        unit1, unit2....
    ]
]```

[sinful kettle]

Agreed. Or move those info into a separate command

[solid marten]

its diag command for diagnostic, added so we can identify if it doesnt work as expected

[gaunt depot]

Ropes attached to units update unit position not frequently enough:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181442 (Repro included)

Units get rope simulation scope position or something?

Yeah, exactly that, unit uses rope's simulation scope position (shown with drawIcon3D here) instead of rope's visual scope position

Yup

Updated ticket

But when you control rope attached unit it uses render scope position instead

Just arma things

Anyway, plox fix

[gaunt depot]

With mess like this sometimes I wish there was a way to stop network position updates or something

ENTITY ignorePositionUpdates BOOL

Though I'd still need orientation and velocity, so its not as simple as just one flag

[gaunt depot]

Wish you could provide a timeout for moveIn* commands

So when you try to moveIn* into remote entity that has their game frozen/network down, it would get aborted if request taken too long

Seen cases where moveIn* seemingly failed, player went on with their game the other way, then remote client finally went alive and player got teleported into a vehicle

player moveInCargo [vehicle, cargoIndex, canReassign, 3]; If request was handled after serverTime + 3, abort it

something like this

This way you could setup loading screens more reliably

[alpine tulip]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181456
Hey please let me synchronize everything

[gaunt depot]

Good suggestion, would make 3DEN much more useful

Unless these connections present only during mission read 🤔

[alpine tulip]

Seriously it sometimes simply confuse me why it doesn't work and take a while to realize

[cold root]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181382

AI unit turns unresponsive when you switch from them to another playable unit (eg. from the SL to the sniper and back to SL, sniper unit will not fall back to formation and just stand there even as the group has moved off)

[fading crystal]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180730

[solid marten]

Some concrete examples and repro would help to push the ticket

[alpine tulip]

Will do after I'm back

[vapid cradle]

If you guys could take care about this, it would be greatly appreciated. Moreover, i don't think it will be difficult.
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180432

This game has everything required for naval battles, there just need to fix some details

[vapid cradle]

I just posted this task to explain the issue with MFDs as well https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181499

[alpine tulip]

Updated

[gaunt depot]

Is it technically possible to adjust attach point of rope after ropeCreate?

Looks like you can sort of do it with https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ropeAttachTo but you have to re-attach first plus rope loses its tension resulting in it springing up and down

I wonder if there could be easier way

ROPE ropeSetAttachPoint [POSITION, VECTOR] (toPoint, ropeEndDownVector)

No change of attached entity, just update attach position

[regal nimbus]

Attach rope to helper object and reattach that instead?

[gaunt depot]

Sure, but this loses some of rope's properties, like unit/players rotating back to rope's anchor orientation

Gonna have to simulate that too

[uncut briar]

it looks like if you try to hide setFeatureType 2 objects they still render the proxies ;d

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181526

[near cedar]

advanced stealth capabilities

[alpine tulip]

Now I see somebody else who notice this

It's been a thing since Jets update

[snow cairn]

In the upcoming 2.18 update, can we please modify the MagazineUnloaded event handler so that it fires when the reloading sequence starts? Or add a Reloading event handler?

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181531

[limpid rune]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#Weapon_Muzzle_Config_Events

[unborn acorn]

KK, is there any news fixing MP work of Jets DLC scripts?
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174022

[tulip wasp]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=21028 <-- Was this infeasible? It's always nice to know why a certain feature won't make it into the game, even if it's "we don't think it's worth the effort" :)

[untold sky]

That is the case.
The connections get resolved at mission start, and are not kept.
I don't think that will change.

[untold sky]

Technically yes, but probably not.

[untold sky]

Please make sure to have it fire at the start of the reloading sequence as well.
The magazine is not being unloaded at the start of the reloading sequence so no to that.
Reloading, probably, maybe not 2.18

[untold sky]

Done.
Same as Muzzle event.
"MagazineReloading"
[B Alpha 1-1:1 (dedmen),"arifle_MX_ACO_pointer_F","arifle_MX_ACO_pointer_F",["30Rnd_65x39_caseless_mag",30,1e+07,0],["30Rnd_65x39_caseless_mag",30,1e+07,0]]

Ugh what a fun mess.

"Reloaded" eventhandler on soldier fires after the reload is done.
On a vehicle, like static 50 cal turret, it fires at start of reload.
Good luck documenting that 😄

[snow cairn]

the main issue is that when you start the reloading sequence, the player loses a magazine in their inventory (even though the magazine in the weapon slot still is there) and it is re-added when the player finishes reloading. This effects any scripts that modify inventory space. So that's why I was asking for something to trigger when the unit starts reloading, so I can detect if this is going to happen.

ace beats it with this mutex https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/be77ef233ee87e00cca6e71a2ae307c6b073c6ca/addons/common/XEH_postInit.sqf#L439-L495

and I beat it with my own listen handler: <#arma3_scripting message>

[limpid rune]

yep the animation sources are backwards too

[snow cairn]

its so interesting that bots and spammers target the bug tracker

[devout wave]

It's not specifically because it's the BI FT, it's just that it's a form you can submit text to, and can be found by Google and by links from other popular sites, and the account creation process isn't very bot-proof.

Same thing happens to all sorts of forums and stuff. (You can tell when a forum no longer has active moderation when the bot posts stay up...)

[cyan basin]

lol

[turbid terrace]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_CfgWorlds_Config_Reference#class_RainParticles
When snow param is true the following changes occur in the engine:
thunder and lightnings effects are disabled
This ain't working 👆
I still have thunder sound and lightnings. Tested in CUP though. I can test in Altis if you want.
Both snow and dropColorStrong values show up as strings (I don't know if related).
setRain seems to work fine with both thunders and lightnings.

[outer frigate]

vanilla repro and make ft ticket

[turbid terrace]

Altis is even worse, there's also rain sounds whereas CUP does not. Snow shows up.

[outer frigate]

make ft ticket

[turbid terrace]

yep, i'm trying to use my forum account but it doesn't let me 😦

(cleaned the config)

[cyan basin]

iirc the accounts are separate on the phab instance?

[turbid terrace]

I guess 😦

[uncut briar]

they're separate.

[cyan basin]

should i report the random freezes i have with the game on windows 7 with very high memory usage? i have had it like inconsistently hanging and never responding again after selecting server browser on startup (it shouldnt be happening and i use world=empty) and also the strange ocassional access violation on shutdown/exit?

[near cedar]

No, you should change your faulty RAM sticks as we discussed last time #perf_prof_branch message

And probably also upgrade from Windows 7 😅 but that's secondary (could leave your PC exposed to malware though, since Win 7 hasn't been receiving security updates for 4 years now iirc)

But yeah you're seeing the software glitch out possibly due to your hardware issues, and it's not right to send devs on a wild goose chase when you know that your system's memory has problems

So RMA/replace your RAM and see if those issues persist

I don't know what BI's policy on supporting Windows 7 and 8 systems, but min requirements for Arma 3 still include Windows 7 so i guess they're supporting it. Although Steam only supports Windows 10 and later, so I wonder if you have an updated (or even legal?) version of Arma?

[outer frigate]

workshop build runs on win7

prof doesnt i dont think

tho that may be 32 bit not win7

[cyan basin]

okay thanks

[cyan basin]

wdym? arma 64 and 32 runs on 7, perf/prof is 64 only, dev should still fully work on 7

[cyan basin]

steam client versions older than the support end date are still fully functional, the end of support claim only applies to versions after the date

this has been the same way with xp

[near cedar]

Ah okay

[near cedar]

Yeah that's just 32 bit that was dropped

[dusky wigeon]

Not an official answer, but I'm assuming that all the work it would involve to solve certain issues make it a non-priority.

First problem, what do you do with the hand reload anims. You can't tie them to the mags, since different weapons can use the same mag. You can't leave it on the weapon as that means a single hand anim will be used for different mags which will result in clipping and whatnot.

If you solve that problem, next comes the actual creation of new anims for each weapon/magazine combos that are in the base game.

Then the modification of the existing weapon models so they use a proxy insead of a modeled mag.

Additionally, if the hand anims change to vary by mag, what about the mag itself, it's an anim on the model synced with the character. How to deal with that. :P

etc

[unborn acorn]

Some file paths to mechanism sounds of Promet and MX assault rifles are gone in configuration, I don't think this is by design
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181573

[desert trench]

any chance for a config parameter to define the "seat priority" if you order AI (or AI itself, or via sqf - aka moveInAny) to enter a vehicle? (or a scripting command if thats easier)

if it would be at least driver-commander-gunner - yet with multi turret setup, you end up often the main gunner not even be 3rd 😐

[untold sky]

The EH was already added by the time you replied 😄

[untold sky]

When creating FT tickets, make sure to provide enough info.
Don't be the guy that makes me write these

[azure crane]

that new feedback tracker assistant AI really asks a lot of questions

[desert trench]

how is the situation with game crash on exit? still need more crash logs on that?

[cyan basin]

oh yeah good question, i wonder the same

[lament escarp]

Since there seems to be a bunch of awesome additions coming for 2.18... I wanted to throw in a couple of my older FT tickets for consideration again
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174951
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174936

[untold sky]

crash logs are useless, need a repro. And I can't find one

[vapid cradle]

I propose a "compartment" parameter for moveInAny commandd. It will be really usefull for large vehicles with 100+ proxies
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181607

[regal nimbus]

Is there actually any distinction between "compartments"? Never heard the term re Arma.

[limpid rune]

yes compartments are what stops like people in the cargo bed of a truck from moving to the drivers seat

[regal nimbus]

hmm, that reminds me though. I should really write up that moveInAny bug :/

[desert trench]

could extra logging help to track it down?

[untold sky]

I don't know what to log

[desert trench]

array.hpp(1411) : Assertion failed 'base::_n == 0'
could this be related or another crash type?

[snow cairn]

I don't believe we have a way to detect a change in a turret optic's zoom/FOV

Proposing: "TurretOpticsModeChanged" Event Handler
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181643

I wonder who will win
https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/pull/1665

[snow cairn]

is this:

_unit, _weapon, _muzzle, _newMagazine, _oldMagazine?

edit: yeah I think I'm interpretting it correctly

[vapid cradle]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#VisionModeChanged

[untold sky]

Yes definitely. That says "Someone inserted into this array, while we were destructing it"
I also think that is the crash on exit thing.
Sadly this assert triggers after someone else messed it up.

[untold sky]

its the same as the old reload handler things

[snow cairn]

Not the same thing. That's for nvg and thermals

[vapid cradle]

That's true, my bad

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124694

Is there a chance for this to be fixed for good in the engine?

Otherwise somehow let us script fix it?

[snow cairn]

Fast response time by Wulf

[desert trench]

Uploaded: https://feedback.bistudio.com/feed/query/EsMsLk6wlX0c/#R

[daring wagon]

Wasn't there a fix to damage state synchronization that should fix the edit terrain object module?

[unborn acorn]

There was engine and script fixes for module work, works ok on dev now

[vapid cradle]

I just updated this post because i forgot to say daylight property of compartmentLights is not working underwater
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181499

[agile trail]

Not entirely true. I have a boat with a compartment below the water line and daylight compartment lights work fine.

[vapid cradle]

Can you give me the config of your compartmentlight ?

Maybe this glitch only happen on type="submarinex" boats. I have a 75m long submarine (reglementary size) and light doesn't work during day

I made an ocean map (3000m deep) and i don't see the light in the depth

[agile trail]

Yes, just pointing out that your observations are not sufficient to result in a summary that "daylight compartment lights don't work underwater".

[vapid cradle]

What should i add ? On every map i tested i don't see the light during day. There is a video joined to my post so you can see what i'm taling about

But indeed, i should have tested it on more vehicle type before saying compartmentLights doesn't work during day. But anyway that's a fact, it doesn't work underwater on submarines

[unborn acorn]

Sound FX transition from building_interior to building_exterior instantly, but to building_interior this goes smoothly
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181711

[snow cairn]

@gray wharf your note on getMissionPath states:

Before the introduction of getMissionPath, absolute mission directory could be obtained as follow in config:

does that mean you can use getMissionPath in the config? cause it sounds like you could. maybe clarify?

[gray wharf]

I mean it as "before that, you could get the mission's path this way"

[snow cairn]

so not related to the config then? purely sqf?

[gray wharf]

before, you had to use "get mission config value" as a hacky workaround
now you can just use getMissionPath

[vapid cradle]

I'd like to precise, that i only tested the compartmentLight in ViewPilot LOD

[clear glen]

Seems the OnMissionNew event handler for 3DEN has two different behaviors. If selecting "New" and choosing same map or loading from main menu, you can set variables into missionNamespace during event and it will carry through to editor. If you select "New" and choose different world, you can see it runs the event and then , I suspect after the event, it loads the new world which wipes out missionNamespace. Is this intended? It seems inconsistent to me.

[daring wagon]

Changing the terrain probably loads a new mission thus resetting the namespace.

Save the variables in Eden display to have them persist between loads

[clear glen]

Shouldn't that be when the onNewMission event handler fires? Not prior to? Functions are persisted but any onNewMission event is discarded. So eden display is Uinamespace? Trying to track it down. Just seems weird it is different than other behavior.

[daring wagon]

Eden Display is its own namespace which is persistent between terrain changes and preview iirc.

Not sure about functions . Maybe they get recompiled in the background.

[vapid cradle]

I'm posting a new function inspired from BIS_fnc_findInPairs. This function is better than BIS_fnc_finInPairs andd i've been using it in pretty much all my mods.
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181813

[alpine tulip]

for "_i" from 0 to 10 do {}; syntax is better than your syntax, but otherwise looks nice

[gaunt depot]

Wish you could do ARRAY param NUMBER as out of bounds safe select

[gaunt depot]

{if(_x select _column isEqualTo _value) exitWith {_forEachIndex}; -1;} forEach _array;

Wont work if _array is empty though

maybe can be done with isNil check, also gets rid of -1;

[devout wave]

You basically can though, can't you?

_array param [5, "myDefaultValue"];```

[gaunt depot]

[5, nil], but its an extra array!

muh microseconds

Actually just [5]

Not very serious though, but I just hate seeing single-value array there

[vapid cradle]

I still need to know when _column is out of bounds. With my syntax, it will throw an error

[gaunt depot]

Scripting error?

[vapid cradle]

Yes, but indeed, it can be coded in a better way

[gaunt depot]

It wont trigger an error because you can have single out of bounds index with select

[1] select 1 => nil
[1] select 2 => error

[solid marten]

what is safe select? you can have default value returned with param already, when do you not need that?

[gaunt depot]

Sure its already works, it was more about getting rid of extra array around index

[solid marten]

hence my question

[gaunt depot]

[1,2,3] param 5 instead [1,2,3] param [5]

[solid marten]

see my question

[gaunt depot]

Having nil is sometimes better than some value

When command or function returns nil and its used in condition, it skips conditioned code blocks, which is very useful

[solid marten]

thats not intended functionality just byproduct

[gaunt depot]

But its a useful tool

It sort of lets you have 3 values in bool

if(true) then {123} else {321} => 123
if(false) then {123} else {321} => 321
if(nil) then {123} else {321} => nil

not about value but code executed or not executed here

[solid marten]

statements skipping when nil is such a WTF moment, for a scripting language meant to be used by people with not much experience

[gaunt depot]

Another reason could be using nil to initialize something heavy only when you need

As in:

private _value = _array param 5;
if(isNil"_value") then {_value = call someHeavyFunction};

vs

private _value = _array param [5, call someHeavyFunction];

Its already there with _array param [5] but it was more of a my OCD kind of thing with seeing single-value array when it could've been just the value

[gaunt depot]

private _index = {if(_x param [_column] isEqualTo _value) exitWith {_forEachIndex};} forEach _array;
if(isNil"_index") then {-1} else {_index};

[vapid cradle]

Very interesting way to code it. I didn't know about _forEachIndex at the time i coded this function. I think it deserves some speed tests

[vapid cradle]

Very nice job, your way is faster

Can you post your code in my topic ?

Your code is about 25% faster

NeverMind, i'll do it

[deep plaza]

there is a bug with the useAudioTimeForMoves setting it to true will disable object collision and make the player go through any object similiar to hideObject 😭 😭 😭

should i create a ticket?

[vapid cradle]

Fastest way is:

params ["_array", "_value", ["_column", 0]];
private _index = {if(_x param [_column] isEqualTo _value) exitWith {_forEachIndex};} forEach _array;
[_index, -1] select (isNil"_index");```

[sinful kettle]

No, fastest way is using findIf

[gaunt depot]

Oh yeah, findIf would be even faster

[clear glen]

I appreciate the help. But my dumb brain just discovered that onTerrainNew exists. Solves the issue. I am caching this data in UI namespace already - just needed a time/event to happen so I can dump them into missionnamespace so they are accessible in editor and debug console.

[deep plaza]

Is there a chance that this gets a fix? I'm asking because idk what has more priority and if it is worth a ticket.

[azure crane]

if you want something to be fixed then make a ticket for it

[near cedar]

If you like a thing you better put a ticket on it 🎵

[alpine tulip]

Kinda pointless and TOO specific suggestion... but, a return value for drop which returns the spawned object?

[vapid cradle]

It would be great if we could play the sound of a video with playSound3D. There currently is no way to play a video with located sound

There just need to extract the ogg sound from the ogv and play it with XAudio (after converting it) or something else

Can be easily done in c#

[gray wharf]

but it's a particle, not an object per se

[alpine tulip]

It is

...Like, you can deleteVehicle it

[azure crane]

then make a custom dll/extension that implements it to show that it is easy to be done in A3

[gray wharf]

weally?? 😮

if so, noice

[alpine tulip]

Weally yes

[deep plaza]

1: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181844
2: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174906

[unborn acorn]

Here some configuration problems clear to climb
upd: list too big for discord, all I found config issues added to pastebin https://pastelink.net/a3configIssues, plz fix it)

[alpine tulip]

Just investigated, 63 allObjects 3 or -1 allObjects 3 is the only way to get particles, which is... heavy enough

[gaunt depot]

Idea: Introduce ARRAY = NUMBER drop ARRAY which returns particle entities so you don't have to search for them

NUMBER being number of particles to drop

[alpine tulip]

But how can you randomize drop if you do this

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, good point 🤔

How about:

ENTITY = drop ENTITY;
``` to trigger particle source to create a particle through script and also return it

With all associated particle source randomness

[alpine tulip]

Except setDropInterval?

[gaunt depot]

Yes, regardless of interval

So you can setup a source and drop particles when you want it yourself

[calm frigate]

Was instructed this belongs here as opposed to its initial channel.

Will repost files here when I get home

#arma3_scripting message

Would love some Insight if anyone has an idea

[cyan basin]

sorry for asking but, is there support for actual 3D audio or hrtf?

[azure crane]

hope you are aware no one will test this with so many mods you are requiring. If this is an actual game bug rather than one of your mods being shit, then replicate the same behavior in vanilla.

[azure crane]

not really for this channel no? There are hrtf DLLs out there and they change how audio in the game behaves but it's not perfect, so I'd say support is to the same extent as for VR.

[calm frigate]

Most of the mods I'm using are from people in this very discord, for what its worth. And the script im calling wouldnt really have any interaction with.. any of the mods that I can think of. But I'm not an expert, so maybe I'm wrong on that front.

[calm frigate]

If anything I believe the issue may come from my own scripts currently running on the init, and OnPlayRespawn if anything.

[outer frigate]

not worth much.

im in here, after all

[calm frigate]

Considering the deployment after this one uses some of yours that's great timing

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[azure crane]

you will be certain of it if you replicate the issue in vanilla. If it happens in vanilla game, you'll know it's game's issue not some awful piece of code included in one of the mods or made by you.

[calm frigate]

I'm not certain it is an arma issue. It may be my scripts

[fickle root]

when you do #monitor 2, for example, to monitor FPS every 2 seconds and then you log out, without doing #monitor 0, before logging out, it will still continue to monitor FPS every 2 secs, basically showing stuff to a "non admin"

also, please, concider fixing objects distance windows/field in video settings, because any time you type anything there, it always does value 5.
so you always need to delete 5 and retype again the value you need
so no slider, juste typing needed value inside the objects distance window/field

[cyan basin]

is there a ticket of that?

is this the bug reports and FT channel?

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten Any chance to look at https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171670 ? Its a pretty significant MP bug and I'd love to have it fixed before 2.18

Fix is useful to everyone as often players spend up to a minute during loading (downloading the mission, receiving, etc.), a large chance to end up with missing vehicle

[solid marten]

ok, no probs

[sleek scaffold]

Guys, I haven't been following dev as much lately (ergo why I don't annoys the devs anymore) but anyone knows if these were already fixed during my absence?:
1- Players not able to pick up items from the inventory of dead bodies in MP. (I remember work being done there some time ago but don't know if it was released already)
2- Command to disable the native add actions such as the climb ladder, heal self etc. (I vaguely remember someone starting work on something related but that was in recent times so perhaps it is still in the oven)

[gray wharf]

1- IDK
2- no

[devout wave]

1 was reported fixed in 2.14 (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126030, https://dev.arma3.com/post/spotrep-00111)

[solid marten]

Found the problem, the fix may fix a few other similar cases

[outer frigate]

is support for arma tools still ongoing? ive managed to get it to throw me a series of updating base class errors in a different folder when building with a p3d axis missing verts

[unborn acorn]

The game has different footstep sounds for indoor/outdoor surfaces, for now in both cases the outdoor sound will only work
This is due configuration (seems) incomplete during implemented this feature
ticket → https://feedback.bistudio.com/T181949

[lament escarp]

I have a situation in which I have a weapon that has three muzzles and is fed by three magazines. I understand that rifles only technically allow you to load two muzzles worth of ammunition, but aside from the third magazine that is loaded into the third muzzle disappearing when the weapon is dropped on the ground, it works as expected if you load the third muzzle using scripts.

Was curious as to whether this was intended behavior or whether it might be reasonable to file a FT ticket for a potential fix.

[unborn acorn]

added video demonstration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma7SnmBd66E for metal surface

[dreamy bane]

do you guys want more crash dumps? I have a lot of those but don't want to spam the feedback tracker, if they are of no use

[vapid cradle]

I propose a new LoadBytesFile function that would return file content in an array of number representing the byte array of the content of the file. This would be greatly appreciated to be used with DLLs. https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182005

[vapid cradle]

Actually if not LoadBytesFile, a LoadFileBase64 function would be great

[rugged nova]

That probably won't get done exactly the way you want. For instance you can only have 10,000,000 elements in an array... that's less than 10Mb of data.

additional, that's gonna eat alot of memory up.

[vapid cradle]

It can be a base64 string instead, but we definitely need a way to fully read a non text file

[rugged nova]

So the issue is also compounded by the fact that the internal data types will cause alot of memory to be allocated for it.
16 + (28 *10,000,000) + 48 = 280,000,064 Bytes!

[rugged nova]

That will work.

you don't want the array.

[rugged nova]

@sinful kettle can you double check my math, been a while

[sinful kettle]

This poses a risk. It'll allow people to easily rip stuff out of EBOs

[sinful kettle]

I think number was 32 bytes

You missed another 4 bytes of padding at the end

Is it possible to extend lightAttachObject to have the same syntax as attachTo?

If so ~~please do it ~~ I'll make a ticket

[untold sky]

OnMissionNew runs after the variables were cleared and the terrain was switched.
As far as I can see both for same terrain or new terrain..

The only different handling is when you open Eden editor for the first time. That has a hardcoded 5 second delay till it triggers the new mission and new terrain events. Because technically on first eden open the "new mission" action isn't triggered.

[untold sky]

Use ArmaScriptProfiler then and it'll optimize away the array creation

[untold sky]

Ticket. Backwards compat is a concern.
But changing nil to object should be fine (boolean wouldn't because eventhandlers)
I don't see any blockers in there, its the same as for the sound commands we did recently

[untold sky]

crashes need crashdump.

[untold sky]

you can always just dump them in my DM instead of spamming the FT

[untold sky]

This would be greatly appreciated to be used with DLLs.
Wha. But if you have a DLL you can just read directly from the PBO, I do that in a couple of mine

[dreamy bane]

will do 🙂

[untold sky]

I think the game crash at exit, is related to vehicle tracks.
A while ago there was a bug where when you delete the vehicle, the tracks would stay behind and never get deleted.
That caused some issues when the tracks/vehicle gets deleted at mission end. But I added a workaround for it that should be catching that issue.
But we're still seeing the crashes...
I had a repro for this crash, and with my fix I cannot repro it anymore, so it does work in that case. There must be some other edge case probably also related to the tracks.

duh
I know how to fix the crash, and give back a indicator telling us what object is the buggy one.. Should've gotten to that earlier. Next profiling branch will have a bit better diagnostics

I'll probably intentionally crash it though, so people send us the reports :3

[vapid cradle]

Indeed, i didn't think about that

[vapid cradle]

Isn't the PBO locked when the game launches ?

But anyway, nevermind, i think it's better if i put my own base64 files in MY pbos, this way it won't pose any problem. Anyone who wants to use my audio engine to play audio file stored in pbos will have to encode them first, using provided encoding software

[untold sky]

Write locked yes. But not read locked.
It'd also be better for performance if the extension can just fetch the file by itself. Instead of you having to encode it first, then Arma script having to read it, having to send it to extension, having to decode it there.

If you use C++, I have code ready to throw in-game filepath at, and get byte array out.

[vapid cradle]

Hmm, that's true. I code in c# but i think i've already seen an updated nuget package to interact with pbos

[untold sky]

Issue is gonna be to find games loaded mods, if you only load from your own mod PBO its easy to find where its at

To find game's loaded pbo's I only have C++ code, have not seen a C# version

[vapid cradle]

Hmm, then in between parsing game files and encode the file first, for performances it will be better if i encode files first.

[sinful kettle]

Can you also fetch EBO file contents?!

[vapid cradle]

I don't think there is a library for this, and this format is not documented

Is there an option to not generate RPT File ? If there is not, I could also read the RPT file to get the list of all PBOs

[desert trench]

-noLogs

[keen sable]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Startup_Parameters

[vapid cradle]

Hmm, then i guess i have to encode first. My audio engine is not meant to replace game engine, it's just an additional engine

[desert trench]

what file types do you want to read? all audio files? or in general terms what data/info specifically do you need for your project/system?

[vapid cradle]

Only audio files with the audio engine

I was just thinking it would be great if we could also play ogg files from other pbos in the audio engine but it's not necessarily a good idea

[desert trench]

how to you disable the native audio engine? (direct sound i believe)

i guess theoretically Dedmen could expose the audio stream (still has the EBO aspect to it, yet audio only may be less problematic)

just curious - does https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/loadFile return anything [useful] for ogg/wss/wav?

[vapid cradle]

I don't need to, ijust need to adjust the volume using scripts. Basically, i made this audio engine in order to replace TFAR and TeamSpeak and also because i'm working on a multiserver experience so i needed somethink to communicate from one server to another. Now, i need to make the Acoustic Warfare Analist job, so i need to play audio files. This is how i came to the idea of allowing people to read sounds from all pbos, but well that's not much possible

[vapid cradle]

I haven't tried, it would be a corrupted string anyway

[desert trench]

thanks. you may elaborate more in #arma3_tools if you want to share more specifics or look for new ideas to overcome obstacles. its the channels extensions are usually talked about

[desert trench]

yeah. not saying its useful for you. was more if sounds could be extracted that way already, the EBO argument would be less valid

that said i'd assume there is tools to do that already anyway for audio

[sinful kettle]

I thought you guys were talking about reading the contents of a file in a PBO/EBO

Are you just trying to get the whole PBO and read its contents manually?

If so that's relatively easy

[sinful kettle]

No. It encounters a null too early and returns garbage text

It can't give you the whole file via a SQF string

(I haven't checked if internally it loads the whole file in buffer tho)

[tulip wasp]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=26725 - from the 1.54 hotfix RC post. "Access Denied" :(

[surreal bough]

the problem with this window is that I tested it on two different GPUs

[untold sky]

no?!

[sinful kettle]

Yeah I thought you guys meant fetching stuff directly from the game...

[boreal harness]

Not sure, if this is a bug, but when a player joins a game with AI enabled players, selects a unit, and then exits the game, and the AI takes over the unit again, the variable name assigned to this unit in Eden (e.g. player2) ceases to exist until any other player selects this unit again and respawns. Until then, the var player2 returns nil, though the unit still exists in the world. With respawnOnStart=0 the variable can be empty long time before the unit dies and respawns. (Tested on Hosted Server dev build)

[devout wave]

I'd like to report this spambot for plagiarism https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182000#2622951

[alpine tulip]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182084

[desert trench]

is there a way to detect/determine when Eden(?) decides to set a dependency to a cfgPatches class?
like our case is that CBA adds cba_jam_spe (details #976228110078992456 message in ACE discord)

or some docu/insights on the system - or is it actually a bug for it to happen?

i do recall "mistakenly" set dependencies in missions/savegames in the past "years", but been a while since we/I encountered it.
might not be a problem of Eden but in the config parsing and how it determines links/dependencies

[dreamy bane]

why does the crash dumps have more than one .mdpm file?

[outer frigate]

shouldnt do

[dreamy bane]

but why 😐

[regal nimbus]

hmm. Looks like they do sometimes.

[uncut briar]

might be from background threads or smth?

[dreamy bane]

there's also more than one .rpt and it says at the bottom of those which world was run and sometimes it's VR sometimes Stratis.

so it seems different crash reports gets merged to one report

[regal nimbus]

Not seen that. If there's more than one RPT then there's more than one Arma instance.

I do appear to have multiple crash dumps from one process though.

[dreamy bane]

i have 3 dumbs in one zip which the launcher packed

and lots of those zips

[gaunt depot]

How hard would it be to make setVelocity and addForce to work with rope segments?

Lack of ways to influence them is really disappointing and being able to swing the rope through script (especially with nothing attached) is useful

[unborn acorn]

first aid kit heal works incorrect if revive system enabled in MP https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182110

[gray wharf]

it might be by design?

normal game = 75%, need a medic for 100%
revive option = (if revive makes you 100%), make FAK 100% health too (prevents from requesting being shot down then revived)

I would consider it a bug if reviving does not make you 100% health

[rose cloak]

    //make ANY heal a full heal
    [] call bis_fnc_reviveDamageReset;```literally (`\a3\functions_f_mp_mark\revive\fn_reviveehhandleheal.sqf`, lines 18-19):

[unborn acorn]

it by design!

[rose cloak]

"The necromedic. A surgeon who turned to necromancy when she lost her medical license. She can heal you, but she'll have to kill you first." (c)

[thick herald]

I really wish there was a way to change that, perhaps so that both reviving and FAKs only go up to 75%, would there be a way? I don't know how to mod but I'd appreciate the help

[gray wharf]

maybe hooking on revive scripted events, IDK

[thick herald]

okie

[thick herald]

Where can I find this line of code by chance?

[rose cloak]

editor -> tools -> function viewer -> find reviveEhHandleHeal

[thick herald]

Right

[thick herald]

Welp

Either I'm gonna learn how to mod or ask someone experienced to help me with it

[gaunt depot]

I guess nobody cares about ropes? Found lots of small issues and tweaks with them, wondering if its worth submitting

[regal nimbus]

My experience is that they work as well as anything does in Arma :P

It's kinda funny that they pop up onto boxes that you're carrying, but I figured that's a consequence of the system.

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, usual Arma jank and unreliability everywhere

The thing I'd like the most would be able to apply forces onto rope segments so I can script swing them, especially free hanging ones

[regal nimbus]

Can't you put a dummy object on the end?

Also given the box-popping, I don't think they're really physics objects.

[gaunt depot]

I can, but rope starts looking terrible, completely stretched no matter what object is attached, even if you apply velocity onto hanging object in the direction of the rope it only bends last segments instead of entire rope.

[regal nimbus]

It's more like they have a start and end and then it kinda fills the rest in.

[gaunt depot]

I abandoned attaching stuff to ropes, so much issues with it and went with free hanging ropes, there look much better but for some reason they're always much longer where remote

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, could be, but I still wonder if there is a method in them to apply force on them to make rope swing or something, would make them look so much better with a bit of a scripting

They seem to be fairly solid entities, there should be something

[vapid cradle]

I do propose one the function of my base mod that i use in pretty much all interfaces with listboxes that need to be updated https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182150

[unborn acorn]

Other players cannot see visual effects (fire, light, smoke) on launcher shot in MP
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182166

[devout wave]

Would it be non-backwards-compatible to make serverTime return something useful (either time or diag_tickTime) in SP? Having to do ([time,serverTime] select isMultiplayer) to account for both situations isn't very fun.

[regal nimbus]

See also netId.

[gaunt depot]

serverTimeReal
netIdReal

[devout wave]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182176

[vapid cradle]

It would be great if we could pass arguments to EachFrame event handler. Actually when you need to move something by yourself using setVelocity or setVelocityModelSpace you have to put it in a while loop. The problem is that it is well known that on bad performances periods spawned scripts are slower. It would be better if we could use EachFrame event.

[regal nimbus]

You can.

Arguments parameter was added in 2.06:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addMissionEventHandler

[vapid cradle]

Ooh !! Thanks !! That's something i missed !

[alpine tulip]

#arma3_troubleshooting message
Message link for more context. Some animations (Not sure if it could happen on every anims or not) does stuck sometimes if the FPS is too high (60 > ?) and on Altis (couldn't repro on VR)

this switchMove "Acts_BootKoreShootingRange_Adams"```This is the only script I run on the soldier

Could repro on VR. Same thing, but place a tree (as a Simple Object) does it

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten What affects rate of ownership changes? When you take control over UAV crew unit who is both driver and group leader, it takes barely a few seconds on local server to change vehicle and group ownership to you, but sometimes up to half a minute on a dedicated server in live environment. I wonder if its some dedicated server network setting or something else?

Video of it in action, check the hint:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/108187245529268224/1235090913747927120/2024-05-01_11-45-28_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=6671120c&is=666fc08c&hm=415e72957a8635a3c2680d4c41b20e0b1436c4f70dac0c7e2b22b1cf84a74148&

Hint shows locality for group, vehicle, driver and gunner

This is an example of fairly quick locality change, ~10 seconds for group and ~15 seconds for vehicle

But I've seen much worse cases, half a minute and more

[alpine tulip]

Tried to print getUnitsMoveInfo and it does count the moveTime very normal

[sinful kettle]

What about switchMove + playMoveNow?

(or the new switchMove?)

[alpine tulip]

Doesn't seem to have difference

[solid marten]

it could be due to scheduled update, can't say until I look under the hood

[regal nimbus]

Seems explosive damage against static weapons & their crew is strongly affected by setCenterOfMass. This is a bug, right?

Antistasi was using a 1m center of mass offset forever to make static weapons fall over less, and it turns out this makes them invulnerable to explosives.

Might be specific to placing the things on buildings. Not sure yet.

[gaunt depot]

Will appreciate if you will, this is a major MP issue, when you take control of a remote drone and you can't do anything for 30 seconds watching it fly straight line, hopefully not into the ground.

Sadly you can't properly setOwner the vehicle to speed this up anymore, I wonder if there are other tricks to make it work quicker

[gaunt depot]

Though if you ask me, its a bug and vehicle locality should change instantly just like it does when you get into driver as player.

[desert trench]

Dedmen are you also interested in crash dumps from BI tools - specifically binarize?

[desert trench]

12:15:06 String STRING not found

possible to provide the context for this if you have -debug active?

it seems one/a few cases arent covered yet

---

<language> localize <key> is this possible or does the game parse+cache only the active user language at game start(?)

[daring wagon]

Only active language is availabe

Might be a good idea to perhaps use a string table verifier script such as the ace one.

[unborn acorn]

but if set fast scripted fire the effects will work, randomly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ODkMmmLLRI

[alpine tulip]

Workthought actually. Having model anim and RTM anim same time, is it possible anyhow? (I know if Ded struggle yes) Thinking of somekind of usage like RTM'ing weapon when reload anim is playing

[surreal bough]

How likely is it to reduce the frequency of key checking and battleye ? there is a big problem that due to problems with the router, it often throws players off the server

[cyan basin]

wrong channel?

[cyan basin]

looks like the router needs to get replaced instead

[surreal bough]

all the players?

This problem is 100 years old

[cyan basin]

no, the server's router and stuff

[cyan basin]

nah, it's likely going to happen in other games that aren't very tolerant to unstable internet

you have no idea what is the gravity of the situation, do you?

the problem is the users environments not on BI to fix

[surreal bough]

Do you know how to distinguish a question from a statement?

[cyan basin]

are you projecting yourself by chance?

[sacred river]

I asked a couple of weeks ago about the BE Query Timeout issue if it is possible to add a config. Either Dwarden or Dedmen, maybe KK, replied that BE needs to adjust their API for that. I assume other things running through their API too, so I assume that other BE related things can't be changed/adjusted too.

[surreal bough]

the funny thing is that a certain player can be constantly thrown off the server, but once you restart the server, the problem is solved immediately

[desert trench]

unfortunately its seems not happening

quite a severe issue affecting various circumstances but seem BI has little sway on BE at this stage (or costs too much money to get things done)

[cyan basin]

#arma_battleye

this channel is for the ft related talks

[desert trench]

the origin is Arma

BE "only" handles the timeout

aka A3 is busy

BE kicks you off

workaround - extend timeout

actual fix - solve A3 being busy/unresponsive

[regal nimbus]

This is the one where clients get kicked during the connection process, right?

[sacred river]

BattlEye Query Timeout? yes

[sacred river]

and this can't be done just with configs as mentioned in https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180455, also see answer from Dedmen

[regal nimbus]

What I'm not sure about is why it's going two minutes without responding to some basic network query?

[gaunt depot]

I haven't checked getRespawnVehicleInfo yet, but does it work for player units from server side?

I'd love to have a command to check if unit is respawnable to know how to handle its variables and events as they're re-added by the engine after respawn

[desert trench]

Can happen also when you are already on the server - ie can be also caused by mission rotation via server.cfg

basically from what i understand if the client with server handshake doesnt happen in the given timeframe, "BE boots you off" (BE probably tells the server to do so)

kinda like loosing connection for too long

[gaunt depot]

UAV locality is all over the place

[sinful kettle]

How can a group be remote but the unit local?
That would mean the AI itself is remote

[gaunt depot]

It feels completely random, sometimes you get drone first, sometime turret, sometimes group

Takes a lot of time on live dedi for some reason

Not sure who to bother but I'd love if this could get looked at before 2.18 as its pretty major issue

Can make all needed repros

[gaunt depot]

More locality bullshit

Everything is local and controllable yet you can't shoot and just spend ammo

[gaunt depot]

2024/06/23, 17:12:25 No player found for channel 2068943551488 - message ignored

10s of 1000s of such messages with server being frozen (unfreezes after 5-10 mins), I wonder what happens 🤔

Build: Stable
Version: 2.16.151618

Wish there was more info on what kind of message is was

Could give a hint what was spammed

[gaunt depot]

Turrets take the longest to switch locality on live server

[near cedar]

Does this also interact with vehicle locality where there's a driver, commander, gunner?

There's that old bug in which vehicle commanders lose control of smoke screens if they leave and re-enter the vehicle in a certain order with respect to the driver

[unborn acorn]

Water explosion debris sound request, config work, sounds exist in data
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182345

[unborn acorn]

seems not due locality see https://feedback.bistudio.com/T148482#2021130
Can dev add event handler 'getIn' in base class LandVehicle with setEffectiveCommander execution as workaround?

[solid marten]

it should be global

[near cedar]

Ooh interesting 🤔 we've seen this behaviour when the commander was the leader though... But will try

[desert trench]

Array index out of range

possible to add context to this with -debug?

[sinful kettle]

@solid marten
Hey, could you check why isSetForDeletion flag (obj getEntityInfo 14) doesn't work for simple objects? It always returns false

[solid marten]

will do

[sinful kettle]

Thanks 👍

[solid marten]

it could be, havent checked yet, because it is not entityAI?

i can cast to entity this particular flag I suppose

[sinful kettle]

Yeah entity makes more sense

[sinful kettle]

BTW for some reason when I run A3 2 of my threads are always at 100% (i7 13700), even in a completely empty mission
I'm not sure if I'm just noticing this or if it is new tho
Latest dev

[solid marten]

dedmen is mining bitcoins probably

[sleek scaffold]

2 "P" cores threads or 1 "P" core plus its hypethreaded "sumulated" thread?

[regal nimbus]

I think usually it's only one thread at 100%?

Maybe closer to two if you're running with unlocked frame rate and your GPU drivers are using multithread rendering.

[sinful kettle]

Dunno but iirc it was threads 8 and 9, so 1 P core and a thread of another P core I guess?! 😅

I'll check tomorrow

[sinful kettle]

Running at 60 FPS (vsync)

[regal nimbus]

Checked with 3700X on stable, one thread at 100% and a few with bits and pieces.

If I disable vsync (60) and fall back to GPU driver max frame rate (120), main thread utilization drops

[sinful kettle]

For me it's 2 cores (CPUs 8 and 10), both P cores

Disabling vsync doesn't help in my case

Actually disabling and re-enabling it did help

Now only CPU 8 is at 50%

[sinful kettle]

Looks like it was a driver issue. Updating my GPU driver fixed it

[sinful kettle]

Another issue that I spotted a few days ago (I reproed it again today): during the Scuba showcase mission, I noticed that when you get close to the mines, the player starts to vibrate and it keeps going on forever until you get out of the water (you have to be in 1st person to see it; it's very noticeable when you aim). I think this is a byproduct of the compiler update. Can someone else repro this on dev or profiling branches? Also does it happen in stable?

[near cedar]

it's just the VibroMines ™️ that the ayyys left behind after Contact

Lou gets it 😄

ahh i want to listen to that song again now

i digress

[lament escarp]

Any chance anyone has had the opportunity to look into this since December?

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T177593

I know that it was mentioned it might be some sort of shader influence that was causing this... but I'd love to get some feedback as to whether it was determined to be impossible without causing other issues. I was wondering if some of it may stem from the fact that the horizont object tends to use the _sky suffix, and if that's the primary culprit here. If that was the case, is there some chance that it could be added that a horizont object could support _ca suffix files to effectively ignore the shader changes made to _sky files?

[sacred river]

While browsing the Wiki I found that there is a kickPlayer function for Argo. Any chance for getting that as scripting function for A3? Maybe banPlayer too? If yes, I would open a FT ticket.

[gray wharf]

there is https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/serverCommand / https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/serverCommandAvailable

[sacred river]

I know about them, but I thought about a slightly easier method as kickPlayer is using unit as parameter

[gray wharf]

let's keep talking in #arma3_scripting message 😉

[sacred river]

Fitting to the talk, maybe this https://feedback.bistudio.com/T125565 could also be useful

[untold sky]

next prof/dev

[untold sky]

There was a fix last week for BE query timeout, its on prof now.
The BE messages could be dropped and wouldn't be retried, so with packet loss that goes bad. They will now be retried so there should not be any lost BE messages anymore, and thus less query timeout

[untold sky]

Network channel being closed can make this happen.
Game killed or crashed on players side. You should see the player loose connection and disconnect shortly after.

[untold sky]

Yeah I'll need the repros and a big ticket explaining how it is and how it should be.
Its unlikely for 2.18 though

[untold sky]

Its an error, errors already have context. Also shouldn't this create a crashdump?

[untold sky]

But showcases are part of QA tests that should've been noticed.
Mh you can request artillery in the scuba showcase? why 😄 I never played it before.
Is this close enough? I don't see vibration

[desert trench]

its in 2 rpt from BI QA - no error context in rpt despite -debug used. can DM/link to rpt if useful

Original output filename: Arma3Retail_DX11_x64
Exe timestamp: 2024/03/21 14:45:00

Type: Public
Build: Stable
Version: 2.16.151618

[untold sky]

RPT isn't useful.
If there is no context, then the game just doesn't know. And we can't add context without knowing where to add it

[unborn acorn]

Errors in "numberOfWindows" config value of Wooden House (Small, v1)
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T182436

[untold sky]

Ah I got it in retail build

[sinful kettle]

I was gonna post a video but I guess no need anymore 😅

[untold sky]

bzzbzbzbz

[sinful kettle]

So is it new?

[untold sky]

This is fun.
When I debug step through, it doesn't happen.

At 200fps, its like in the video.
At 20fps...

[untold sky]

Didn't test old version yet

[gaunt depot]

Maybe you got a winter date set so water is cold

[gaunt depot]

This shouldn't have entire server halted for everyone though, isn't it? This ended up with whole server not sending any messages to players for like 10 minutes. Then it resumed and game continued fine 🤔

[untold sky]

correcto

I'm not even trying to find new bugs..

[gray wharf]

hitting the bounding box instead of the model?

[gaunt depot]

Turns out it expects left operand positions to be ASL too

I think its better to just bite the bullet and fix the command to work with AGL just like normal inAreaArray