arma3_feedback_tracker

[gaunt depot]

but this issue happens when collisionShape is same, for movement forward it will be shifted forward and such

[gaunt depot]

Threw together a scheme, not sure how clear it is

Both are movement with same speed, no matter how much you rotate your character you won't really go faster

but your velocity will rise suddenly because it is calculated wrong, which messes up MP prediction/extrapolation

col_velocity1 = col_velocity1 also

Thus my idea, calculate unit velocity by collision shape delta instead of entity center delta

Maybe check if collision shape changed recently (due to animation change), in such case fall back to center delta

[azure crane]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179398 Scenario localizations are borked in menu

[solid marten]

is stringtable.xml exported with the mission?

[azure crane]

Yes

I tried naming it stringtqble.xml and Stringtable.xml in case the capital S would matter but it did not change anything. XML is in the PBO, mission.sqm has the ScenarioData class with string keys

I haven't tried packing it manually with PboManager or Tools, only the export function.

[solid marten]

and it it is unpacked does it still not work?

[gaunt depot]

Just realized what you meant. I wasn't comparing collision shape positions but collision shape types

collisionShape = "A3\anims_f\Data\Geom\Sdr\Perc_Wrfl.p3d";
collisionShape = "A3\anims_f\Data\Geom\Sdr\Perc_Mrun_Slow_Wrfl.p3d";

this stuff

[solid marten]

ah

[sinful kettle]

Idk what you're trying to show here but that issue has nothing to do with the collision shape

Also collision shape follows the center (as if it's attached to the center)
It's not a separate thing to calculate velocity from

[gaunt depot]

Unit rotates around collision shape which shifts depending on animation

[sinful kettle]

I haven't looked at the code but based on your videos, the game calculates an angular velocity based on how fast you rotate the mouse
And then adds this angular velocity as a linear velocity to remote objects

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, I haven't checked angular velocity values

[sinful kettle]

Which causes inconsistent velocities and network interpolation

[sinful kettle]

You can't. Units don't have angular velocity

[gaunt depot]

Then its all clear

[sinful kettle]

It's an internal thing probably

[sinful kettle]

They don't

Collision shape follows you

Not the other way around

[gaunt depot]

Not sure what you meant by how fast you rotate the mouse, my test script calculates exactly the same velocity as does the game, using entity position

[gaunt depot]

I think you're wrong

[sinful kettle]

I'm not

[gaunt depot]

This is also when you can "sink" into walls when moving sideways

And then you pop out of them when you move the other direction

Not sure if this system was in OA, but this is also the reason why moving forward when stuck moves you backwards, not forwards like it was in OA

[sinful kettle]

That's because of how the game resolves collision

I was planning on fixing it but never got to it

[gaunt depot]

I actually depicted collision shape position wrong in my diagram, it shifts backwards when you move forwards

I don't even think its gradual, it is instant change

[gaunt depot]

Nevermind, it is correct

Collision shape moves forward even when you move backwards

[sinful kettle]

By "when you move backwards" are you talking about the keyboard?

Because as I said collision shape follows you

[devout wave]

Is that why sometimes when you're stuck in an object, you can get out of it forwards by trying to go backwards...?

[sinful kettle]

You move backwards, collision shape moves backwards

[azure crane]

if I put unpacked mission in Arma 3\Missions folder I see this, so close to being okay but still no description

[sinful kettle]

As I said that's because of how the game tries to resolve collision. It just moves you based on opposite of your velocity (it also did something with closest point to outside but I don't remember what it was)

[gaunt depot]

I don't think its about velocity but direction

back in OA it moved you the opposite way from A3

Here is a test you can do to see what I mean

When you move backwards you sink into wall because your collision shape is shifted forward

[devout wave]

my bad, I didn't read all the way up

[gaunt depot]

but as soon as you press backwards again you get pushed out of it because your now centered collision shape is inside the wall AND you attempted to move

[gaunt depot]

Talking about keyboard movement, yes

[sinful kettle]

All I can tell you is that, from what I remember, this is how things worked:

1. You try to move, let's say forward
2. That animation has an rtm velocity
3. The game creates a "potential state" based on that velocity and where you would be
4. When you collide with the rtm shape:
   A. If you didn't collide before, it uses the normal and your old pos to put you at a new pos
   B. If you did collide, it moves you in opposite direction of the velocity

[sinful kettle]

And none of this has anything to do with that teleporting issue

[gaunt depot]

then after step 3 you get back to step 1 and sink into wall again all over

And I'm 100% certain game rotates your character around your collision

[sinful kettle]

Well if, say, you move backwards, get stuck, then move forwards, yes, you keep moving into the wall

[gaunt depot]

This test is done only by pressing S

to move backwards

Try it yourself, you can sink into the wall because moving backwards also shifts your collision shape forwards

This is how people look through walls btw, game lets you get inside walls like this

Free wallhacks

[sinful kettle]

I know

[gaunt depot]

I'm demonstrating this to prove that your collision shape instantly moves\shifts\swaps to forwards one when you do movement

Then next step that leads to the issue I want to get fixed, your character rotates around your collision share and not around entity center

BUT velocity is calculated by entity center delta

[sinful kettle]

Well I know all this, but what does collision shape have to do with this?

Because it doesn't

[sinful kettle]

It doesn't

[gaunt depot]

Move forward, look down, start rotating left and right

See where visual "swirl" center is

its in front of you

right where your collision shape is

Visual proof of this

onEachFrame {
    hintSilent ([
        speed player toFixed 1
        ,vectorMagnitude velocity player toFixed 1
        ,vectorMagnitude velocityModelSpace player toFixed 1
        ,((getPosWorld player distance2d pos) / diag_deltaTime) toFixed 1
    ] joinString "\n");
    pos = getPosWorld player;
    drawIcon3D ["\A3\ui_f\data\map\groupicons\selector_selected_ca.paa", [0,0,1,1], ASLtoAGL pos, 0.4, 0.4, 0, "pos"];
}

Script proof of this, this is where huge velocity comes from, engine rotates you around different point and not your getPosWorld

Exec script, move forward, quickly turn mouse left and right

[sinful kettle]

Which part of that script is showing that exactly?

[gaunt depot]

        ,vectorMagnitude velocity player toFixed 1
        ,((getPosWorld player distance2d pos) / diag_deltaTime) toFixed 1
```hints same number

your velocity is delta between your entity position this and previous frame

[sinful kettle]

Sure

[gaunt depot]

thus proving that game rotates you around your collision shape and not your entity position

because it moves your entity position with this rotation

[sinful kettle]

What? Where does it prove that?

[gaunt depot]

You aren't really going 20-30 m/s yet hint shows that

because this is velocity of your center

not your character

your character rotates around collision shape and that's why you never really go this fast in reality no matter how much you jerk your mouse

[gaunt depot]

Did you get what I meant by this btw?

that drawIcon3d is there so you can see the distance between this "swirl" and the icon

[sinful kettle]

None of this makes any sense to me because you don't rotate around the collision shape

[gaunt depot]

When you stand, look down and quickly rotate visual swirl center of the ground is exactly at that drawIcon3D icon

When you go foward and do the same the swirl is in front of you

[sinful kettle]

If you want a better proof just make your own collision shape that's offset by a few meters
You'll see that it won't change anything compared with current rotation (I mean the velocities)

[gaunt depot]

where collision shape is

[gaunt depot]

I actually wanted to do that but I'm not sure what model requires and if there is an example one

[sinful kettle]

Just open a vanilla collision shape in object builder and move it...

[gaunt depot]

isn't it binarized? 🤔

[sinful kettle]

It is but you can debin it "for education purposes" I guess
It's a simple model. You can make it in object builder in a few minutes
You need like 20-30 selections too iirc

[gaunt depot]

Sorry if I sounded too mean with my explanations btw. I meant no offence, just rushing with the replies before going off to bed.

[sinful kettle]

here. try these

[gaunt depot]

Did you base it off Perc_Wrfl_offset.p3d?

[sinful kettle]

no. it's from one of my mods

I just moved it a bit

[gaunt depot]

alright

[sinful kettle]

Also remember to use diag exe to check the collision shape

[gaunt depot]

I see collision change with your models but rotation is now done around entity center again

Your models lack something that makes the game rotate you around them

My repro hint no longer shows large velocity when rotating

"A3\anims_f\Data\Geom\Sdr\Perc_Wrfl_offset.p3d"

This is the shape that makes you rotate around it

I see the string inside anims_f_data.pbo but when I unpack its not there

[sinful kettle]

It doesn't make any sense to me
My collision shape shouldn't be any different than vanilla ones
But I'll check the code tomorrow
If the culprit is the model, that's what should be fixed

[gaunt depot]

My bet would be origin position

try saving them with/without autocenter?

[sinful kettle]

Well if you open my models you'll see their origin is not 0,0,0

[gaunt depot]

*compiling

[sinful kettle]

Which part of you collides when using my models?

[gaunt depot]

first one was further forwards than usual

second one I couldn't figure out, but it let me go through walls

[sinful kettle]

Then it's correct

[gaunt depot]

but in both cases it was making me rotate around center

[sinful kettle]

Second one was behind the character

[gaunt depot]

and velocity was always 4 m/s no matter how much I move the mouse

[sinful kettle]

Just use diag exe to see what's going on with collision shapes

[gaunt depot]

With vanilla it rotates you around it and you get 30-40 m/s velocities

not sure what diag exe could show me, there is something in model that needs to be there

or you mean show the rotation?

visually

[sinful kettle]

diag_drawMode "geometry"

Shows you the collision shape

[sinful kettle]

I have a hunch that maybe this collision shape is below the ground?

Which causes weird things

Afaik there is no such collision shape for moving animations

[gaunt depot]

rotating around center instead of collision shape made movement feel OA-ish a bit

Wasnt there a dropbox with diag exe similar to perf and prof?

[sinful kettle]

No

It's part of dev branch

[solid marten]

could you add this to the ticket please

[azure crane]

done

[gaunt depot]

Can't seem to see it 🤔

I don't think it shows collision shape

Oh it does show something now

Red cylinder thingy?

[uncut briar]

Yes

That's the collider

[gaunt depot]

Well when you rotate in place it moves back with its center being aligned with your entity center

Otherwise it is forward ahead and you rotate pretty much around it

[gaunt depot]

I found the file btw, had to use some obscure pbo unpacker to get it

Mikero's and cpbo refuse to extract it from anims_f_data.pbo for some reason

and I can't debin it, tools I had don't work with it

Looks like this rotation center is something inside collision shape model

Just need to figure to prove the theory

but lots of evidence already pretty much proves it

I see there is axis string inside that p3d, a selection name?

createSimpleObject ["A3\anims_f\Data\Geom\Sdr\Perc_Wrfl_offset.p3d", getPosWorld player] selectionPosition "axis"
``` => `[-0.0360789,-0.0432948,-0.828793]`

Yeah

its 2 points in memory LOD

well there's the proof

Move forward with a rifle in hands

[hallow sun]

Would this fix also block the players from doing that backwards leaning wallglitching ?

[gaunt depot]

Nope, only MP sync issues

[solid marten]

wall zombies

STAY AWAY FROM THE WALLS, STRANGER!

Intredasting observation. Killed unit has rifle stored in simulated weaponholder and is deleted with the body unless the rifle is taken first, then this weaponholder is deleted immediately. If you try to put rifle back, it will put it into ground weaponholder that looks like part of the unit but is not, and when unit is deleted this weaponholder stays behind

[azure crane]

I think there is something wrong with the FlyInHeight command now? Unless the position is no longer "relative to the pilot" but arbitrary or whatever was changed in 2.14. I'm trying this with a Hoodlum and with flyInHeight 1 to 9 it tries to stay below 10 meters, but with flyInHeight 10 and higher it immediately goes to 50m+. I check it with ASLToAGL eyePos driver _aircraft; and it is way off the given parameter obviously. Seems to be an issue with other helicopters too. Normal or alternative syntax - doesn't matter, same outcome

unless it was never fixed

[near cedar]

i kinda feel like it worked at some point with helicopters, but could never tell if it was working with planes

[hallow sun]

It worked, used it for both. The thing is it takes terrain into the calculation. If you set it to 50m and there is a 200m mountain in it's fly path it will need to increase the flyInHeight (for obvious reasons).
Never used it with such low values, there might be a min value

[near cedar]

Ah yeah

Didn't it follow underwater terrain as well?

[gaunt depot]

Speaking of this, I wonder if backwards movement animations can be configured to use more centric collision shape to at least remedy this a little bit.

Also new diag exe feature idea, draw animation state rotational axis alongside collision shape geometry

[gaunt depot]

Checked A3 alpha, it had different coll shapes, you still can peek into the wall but not as much, it might be same as OA

Already an issue in Arma 3 1.10

[gaunt depot]

hs = createHashMap;
    
onEachFrame {
    private _shape = getText(configFile >> "CfgMovesMaleSdr" >> "States" >> animationState player >> "collisionShape");
    private _shape2 = getText(configFile >> "CfgMovesMaleSdr" >> "States" >> animationState player >> "collisionShapeSafe");
    private _axis = hs getOrDefaultCall [toLower _shape, {
        private _m = createSimpleObject [_shape, getPosWorld player];
        private _a = _m selectionPosition "axis";
        deleteVehicle _m;
        _a;
    }, true];

    private _axis_offset = [
         -(_axis select 0)
        ,-(_axis select 2)
        ,-(_axis select 1)
    ];

    hintSilent ([
        speed player toFixed 1
        ,vectorMagnitude velocity player toFixed 1
        ,vectorMagnitude velocityModelSpace player toFixed 1
        ,((getPosWorld player distance2d pos) / diag_deltaTime) toFixed 1
        ,_shape
        ,_shape2
        ,_axis
    ] joinString "\n");
    pos = getPosWorld player;
    drawIcon3D ["\A3\ui_f\data\map\groupicons\selector_selected_ca.paa", [0,0,1,1], ASLtoAGL pos, 0.4, 0.4, 0, "center"];
    drawIcon3D ["\A3\ui_f\data\map\markers\military\destroy_ca.paa", [1,0,1,1], player modelToWorldVisual _axis_offset, 0.4, 0.4, 0, "axis"];
}
```Updated repro script to also attempt to show rotational axis

Doesn't show it exactly it feels like game divides it by two or something

Also uses Z as Y from the selection

and it seems axis is just a single point in the collision model

[gaunt depot]

Having diag exe show exactly where axis is would be helpful

Its also evident and there is some mess going on with axis being all over the place for some animations

Try going forward-left and forward-right standing and kneeling, notice how axis is moved forward only when kneeling but not when standing for some reason

Its like real rotational axis is half Y(Z) and then it shifts left and right depending on rotation direction

Something is going on under the hood and I have no idea why

Still, no matter how rotation is done, I believe that velocity should be calculated around this axis movement somehow, to avoid broadcasting large values when in reality you didn't really move 30 m/s like velocity could show.

[solid marten]

getCorpseWeaponholder to compliment getCorpse 👍 or 👎

[gaunt depot]

There should be two

Primary and secondary

But otherwise I vote 👍

Having to add Put event handlers on units to get these WHs on death right now

[solid marten]

no there is only one

or you mean launcher?

[gaunt depot]

Can't be, both primary and secondary drop from unit and both should behave the same

Yes, launcher

[solid marten]

hah havent tested with it

do both have getCorpse?

[gaunt depot]

Should be, let me double check

[solid marten]

getCorpseWeaponholderS then

[gaunt depot]

allMissionObjects "WeaponHolderSimulated" apply {[weaponCargo _x, getCorpse _x]}
``` => `[[["arifle_MX_ACO_pointer_F"],2b3a58b2f00# 168854: b_soldier_01.p3d],[["launch_NLAW_F"],2b3a58b2f00# 168854: b_soldier_01.p3d]]`

yeah both point to same corpse

[solid marten]

nice, so will be array then

[gaunt depot]

Maybe getCorpseWeapons?

for shorter name

[solid marten]

no because there could be in inventory some

confusing

[gaunt depot]

getCorpse shouldv'e been getWeaponCorpse then though

[solid marten]

it is the opposite of getCorpse

which takes weaponholder as argument

[solid marten]

not really

lets not start complicating stuff

[gaunt depot]

getCorpseLoot?

samely misleading though

Hmm, do you drop your guns the same way when you're unconscious? 🤔

[alpine tulip]

Uncon shouldn't leave weapons from ragdoll

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, they're part of ragdoll

just spinning around your hands

[solid marten]

dropped weapons is an array indeed. but it doesnt define specific order so this command will just push into array

dunno if possible to rely on any order

[gaunt depot]

If you need order you can check if weapon is primary or secondary by its type

[solid marten]

Actually, even though this is open array it is limited to only 2 weapons

for (int i=0; i<=1; ++i)

I guess we are ok

[alpine tulip]

I know this is just a nitpick but seems -noLand makes the process name Model viewer

[azure crane]

Pointless

Especially when flying at low speed. But in my case the "hole" between 9 and 50 meters happens even on flat terrain with no waypoints given

[devout wave]

This has been a problem for a while (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T159872, https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174838 etc) and the 2.14 new syntax was supposed to fix it 🤔

[dreamy bane]

is it just me or was it so at some point that script errors would not show up in some places like eachFrame event ?

[sinful kettle]

some errors don't show in unscheduled env

[dreamy bane]

ok, would it be good idea to have some command that toggles all errors on? then mission makers could choose if he wants all errors to show while debugging the mission

[uncut briar]

Isn't it only nil being passed to commands?

Which is valid use case

[dreamy bane]

i think the question is more of where script errors are shown, not which commands show them

[sinful kettle]

yeah I think it was only nils

[dreamy bane]

nulls passed to commands dont seem to report error either

[gaunt depot]

It depends on context, I think UI button press makes nil report errors even in unscheduled environment?

Honestly I wish there was a way to flip this for debug purposes

diag_reportNils BOOL;
```or something like that

[dreamy bane]

or showAllScriptErrors bool

[alpine tulip]

fixAllErrors

[gaunt depot]

playArma4;

[strong salmon]

I wish there was a prompt saying "Good try" when you enter those x)

[gray wharf]

Generic error in expression: fixEverything; lol no

[sinful kettle]

nulls still have a valid type. nils don't

[outer frigate]

is there a possibility of disabling filepatching while game is loaded?

[uncut briar]

No

[outer frigate]

sad

[gray wharf]

No

[dreamy bane]

ticket time? i was hoping someone who knows better would make a ticket if its ok

[uncut briar]

But it makes little sense

[dreamy bane]

how so?

[uncut briar]

Only thing not shown is nil stuff

And that's valid behaviour of SQF.

It just differs between schedule and unscheduled

[dreamy bane]

well idk about that, just would like "full" errors to be shown

ok

if its just that I understand but still handy to have all errors seen

[uncut briar]

But arguably it's not an error.

So all errors are shown now.

[dreamy bane]

imo if intent is to pass value to command and you accidentally pass nil then it's error

I mean if nil is invalid input

[uncut briar]

But what if you intentionally pass nil to short circuit it and do nothing.

You could do so since forever, it's valid SQF.

[dreamy bane]

well i understand that, and that's why i suggest a command to change the behaviour, for testing purposes

[uncut briar]

it would slow the runtime then

[dreamy bane]

no backward compatibility problems then

its ok if its slower as its only used for testing

I guess you meant the new if checks...

[uncut briar]

It seems to be part of the context so maybe it wouldn't have additional cost.

I guess the command could access current context and flip the bool or smth

[solid marten]

Is there a command that tells you if vehicle is burning

[azure crane]

isBurning?

or getBurningValue

[gray wharf]

I don't think so, but if you wanted to overload isBurning or inflame… :3

[solid marten]

unfortunatelly no, it is related to damage the fire inflicts on a man

[solid marten]

the wreck burning is destruction effect, to be precise - smoke. So you can detect if wreck is smoking but there is no direct getter for the fire as it is part of smoke effect

[gaunt depot]

Having a setter could be also cool

[solid marten]

doesnt work like this it is not simple on off effect

[gaunt depot]

Which btw also doesn't work reliably, because individual particles do the damage and you can't detect that

[gaunt depot]

Not sure how this stuff is setup to be honest, I was expecting some entity variable for burning duration that is calculated off fuel and ammo at the time of death

But maybe its just a life time of a particle emitter?

[solid marten]

random between min and max from config

[gaunt depot]

Or sleep; deleteVehicle _emitter; in some script?

[solid marten]

you can always destroy without effect and add own emitter and explosion

do vehicles only have 2 choices for respawn? base or where it died?

[gaunt depot]

Never ever used vehicle respawn 🤔

[unborn acorn]

Can inFlame command be tweaked to hide user action to off/on flame? e.g. by 2nd param:

_fireplaceOne inflame [true, true] ;

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/inflame

[desert trench]

is it considered a bug/worth to report that handleDamage doesnt work with providing directly the function name?
_x addEventHandler ["HandleDamage",FUNCTION];

(not sure if more EH types are affected)

[sinful kettle]

I don't think that's correct

how did you test it?

there is no such thing as function. doing _x addEH [..,{}] is no different than code = {}; _x addEH [..,code]

maybe by "not work" you mean it doesn't override the damage as you expect it to

in that case you should read the note here:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addEventHandler

[gaunt depot]

EH will be set to contents for the code by that variable you provided

So if its added earlier than you have the variable or you set\change variable later, EH wont change

[desert trench]

Our existing setup works with {_this call function} but not with just function.
I will check in a reduced setup in VR and report back

[sinful kettle]

then it's because of what I showed in that note

your function probably has an exitWith or something

[desert trench]

that might be the case indeed. we have multiple HD setups, so need to check their setup

ok thats the issue with a few of them. thanks for insight!

[stone tree]

Spam account

https://feedback.bistudio.com/p/rajeswari2/

[solid marten]

a getter for respawnVehicle, does array = respawnVehicle vehicle look weird?

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, not obvious at all

looks like you want to trigger a respawn of the vehicle

[solid marten]

yeah, respawnVehicleParams then

So vehicle respawns where it was local when it died, and if player leaves the server in between it respawns on the server

[uncut briar]

Anyone uses engine driven vehicle respawns?

IIRC even BI module was fully scripted.

[limpid rune]

wasnt even aware there was engine driven vehicle respawns 😅

[daring wagon]

Same actually. I thought there was only a scripted implementation.

[solid marten]

i'm planning on writing up on wiki about it

[untold sky]

FT ticket please

please include a link to that discord message I replied to for reference

Sure. I did it 6 years ago https://github.com/dedmen/Intercept_CBA/blame/master/src/SQFExtension/Utility.cpp#L558
I never actually implemented it after I joined, because.. eh

That means the script had no #line directives in it when it was compiled.
For example when using preprocessFile instead of preprocessFileLineNumbers

Indeed it only refreshes the audio outputs.
You'll notice it also only offers the option to choose outputs, not inputs. You'll also notice the button is belonging to the "OUTPUT:" section.

Input is a completely different system, hard to implement, so I didn't and won't

[untold sky]

There were some bugs where that happened. I should have fixed them all though.. If you have a repro..

Errors are only shown if the game does if (error present) ShowError();
in some places that was missing

[untold sky]

null != nil
If you mean nil, that is not always an error. Sometimes that is done intentionally

[dreamy bane]

good to hear. I was hoping someone who knew better would make ticket or something if this still needs fixing. yeah I meant nulls

[near cedar]

I did notice all of that. But having not written the code, I couldn't know for sure 🙂

[daring wagon]

Out of curiosity. Is there a reason that accTime is limited to 4 times? For testing it would be neat if we could go higher.

[gray wharf]

can't it go higher through scripting though?

[daring wagon]

Yeah, not sure though.

With accTime 100, clouds move really fast but the everything else seems to be clamped at 4 times speed.

[devout wave]

Well, it's running everything at the increased speed, and sometimes the game struggles to process 1x speed fast enough, so it's not too surprising that high values aren't very supported

[gray wharf]

yeah simulation is still capped to whatever your CPU can do

but if you run OFP on a NASA computer, you can go ×1000 if you want to ^^

mayhaps

[daring wagon]

I know. All good. I just wasnt aware that > 4 works

Oh wth

Never use number < 0

[gray wharf]

iirc ~×16 is still fine
but yeah negative is brokeded, hence the note xD

iirc animations play backward or something alike, but the game still moves forward, but the in-game watch turns backwards

[daring wagon]

Why on earth did noone do abs(value)

[gray wharf]

try 0 lololol

[devout wave]

Huh, is there not a command to properly pause the game? I guess I kind of assumed there would be, but that 0 made me check and it seems not

[gray wharf]

Esc

[devout wave]

Esc isn't a command :U

[regal nimbus]

I'm surprised there's not something for SP.

[solid marten]

make a ticket I will have a look

[frail widget]

Altis requiem is broken. the "collateral damage" hidden meter is affected by all damage caused in the world by all sides not just the player. So AI running over chicken wire fences causes you to get court martialed and executed at the end of every playthrough. also makes it impossible to get the achievement.

[sick abyss]

thoughts on adding a ST_PICTURE_MIRRORED control style to enable horizontally flipped picture UI controls? there's currently no way to achieve this, and it would help in cases such as kill feeds:

(currently reads right-to-left, which is... not very intuitive)

[alpine tulip]

I think more of filters, like color corrections, blurs, some others like CSS does

[gaunt depot]

The better way would be a procedural texture

Hmm I wonder if its already possible with some hackery

Personally I gave up on this idea because I didn't like how icons looked mirrored, something wasn't right about them

[gaunt depot]

*better because it'd fit into any other picture displaying source, not just a dedicated UI control

[sick abyss]

I'd be fine with mirroring some textures by hand, but my solution needs to work with every modded weapon/vehicle so that's not feasible

I don't know how feasible this would be with procedural textures (how would you use that/what would it look like in code?), same with filters like Polpox mentioned (I'd love to have such a feature, but I fear it'll be far too much work to implement)

[gaunt depot]

One idea I didn't try yet would be to display a texture on a rotated CT_OBJECT and rendering that onto a texture with ui2texture

Actually, not rotated

but rather textured with flipped texture, like flags

Not sure if its possible to have custom p3d there

Needs R&D

[sick abyss]

hm, sounds like that'd come with a lot of overhead - iirc every R2T is a separate draw call

[gaunt depot]

Not R2T but U2T, its a single draw and then it remains in video memory

[sick abyss]

it'd also cause the images to be affected by additional factors like lighting, and would likely make the icons appear blurry

[alpine tulip]

But, I would call it “too much effort for a simple goal” and push it to Ded 😁

[gaunt depot]

Good point, I'm not sure if UI objects are affected by time of the day, I think they are?

I remember there used to be a bugged vehicle which displayed squad.xml logo flipped, maybe it can be used to render a flipped picture?

[sick abyss]

last I checked (which was years ago) they weren't, but there was still some kind of "fixed" directional lighting that could not be controlled

[gaunt depot]

If this vehicle even exists anymore and it wasn't something back in OA days, I don't recall anymore

Just throwing ideas, not sure what will work, I decided not to dive into it

Btw since you're doing a kill feed, I recently made my use ui2tex resizing, it works great for removing some of aliasing when UI downsamples large UI textures into small ones

Before and after comparisons for my implementation

[sick abyss]

flipping textures is fairly easy in theory, you just need to flip the UVs of the quad you're drawing the texture on - shouldn't be difficult to implement either, IF the engine has abstracted UI rendering enough for UVs (or mirroring) to be an additional parameter

[gaunt depot]

Zoomed result

[sick abyss]

huh, that looks surprisingly good for R2T - but I'm still concerned about the performance cost

[gaunt depot]

Checked with recently, he said its fine

#arma3_gui message

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, I wonder if its possible to make custom p3d and feed it into CT_OBJECT for it to have a texture

if it is, then its solveable

[sick abyss]

oh yeah, I'd accept that as a solution (though I'd still argue that it's not the optimal solution 😛 )

[gaunt depot]

Welp, thats Arma. Sometimes seemingly most basic things are either impossible or require large setups to work.

[limpid rune]

unfortunately I dont think its currently possible to change the texture of a CT_OBJECT

so you'd need a p3d per texture

would be a nice thing to add

like a https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setObjectTexture / material
but for ct_object
ie.

_control3d ctrlSetModelTexture ["SelectionName","texture"];

guess needs to be the selection name rather than the index unless hiddenSelection definitions are added to the control definition

oh I guess you could maybe use R2T from the p3d to do what you want but i personally havent tried R2T on CT_OBject

[gaunt depot]

You can have UI inside CT_OBJECT_CONTAINER on a selection

Plan: Have p3d with flipped texture, draw image on it to have flipped image

Finding a p3d with flipped texture is a challenge, though, not sure if you can use mission p3d there

[limpid rune]

should be able to

[gaunt depot]

Nope, not possible, CT_OBJECT_CONTAINER never flips the texture

Even if I flip usertexture TL, usertexture TR, usertexture BL memory points it just rotates the texture 180 degrees

Apparently these 3 memory points are all that matter for it to work

UV does nothing at all

And yeah, UI models are affected by the environment

I managed to make CT_PICTURE to always appear 100% bright by that inverted CT_OBJECT_CONTAINER model, but its pointless since you can't invert it to achieve original goal anyway. Textures inside CT_STRUCTURED_TEXT are still messed up though for some reason.

[sick abyss]

ah, bummer - but thank you for investigating this idea 👍

[limpid rune]

yeah that wouldn't work - that stuff isn't really drawing on a face or anything its just drawing the ui in that area iirc

compared to the render to texture stuff

[gaunt depot]

CONTROL ctrlSetModelTexture [SELECTION, TEXTURE] when?

[dreamy bane]

can we get callUnscheduled command so you wont have to use isNil command to run code unscheduled?

[regal nimbus]

but that's longer?

[dreamy bane]

longer is cool 😉

[devout wave]

Philosophically, using isNil for unscheduled is annoying because that's not what it's meant for.
Technically, using isNil for unscheduled has limitations, like not being able to return anything to the parent scope except, indirectly, true/false.

I don't think it's a massive issue but I do go "ugh" every time I see it

[dreamy bane]

probably it checks for that nil too, would avoid that

[solid marten]

whole lotta love is coming to vehicle respawn

[alpine tulip]

I know, this is very nitpick, but I found it this is very unrealistic movement... the arms IK only influenced from the upper arm, not from the shoulder. As you can move your arm IRL, the pivot of arm is shoulder

And I know, this is very unreasonable to tweak now

Looks painful 🤣

[daring wagon]

Awesome. Can't wait to see what this love looks like.

[solid marten]

testing it the will write a page on wiki

[tacit kettle]

can we also have a little love for respawn position module. Basically to include the Z value for respawn position module. There are some causes if you put respawn position module on carrier it spawns you in water. And if you place respawn position in air it spawns you on the ground.

[solid marten]

you can make a ticket and i can assign it to myself not to forget

[solid marten]

How many of you use respawnVehicle command?

[sleek scaffold]

I use the vehicle respawn module, don't know if the module makes use of the command...

[uncut briar]

It does not

I haven't seen a single community mission using engine respawn for vehicles in my life.

[sleek scaffold]

Probably because it is needlessly complicated in its current form. It requires markers and messing takes optional info from description.ext where it has the means to work without it so why just not use the value passed to the command. As a noob and even as a seasoned mission maker just by reading https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/respawnVehicle makes me not wanting to use the command ever. So many comments, warnings and unnecesary complications

would be great if the command takes an object pos, pos, marker pos instead of just marker, with the ```sqf
car respawnVehicle [5, 3];

so many quality of life fixes could be done on the command to make it more appealing and less scary too use

[daring wagon]

Currently there seems to be no real advantage to using the engine command over just creating a new vehicle.

Will the engine command copy over certain information from the old to the new vehicle? For example animation source state and textures (Bis_fnc_initVehicle). Are variables automatically transferred?

And yes, as Valmont already said. We would at least need an option to provide a custom respawn location. Otherwise it's very static or needs custom position handling.

Also there is no return value.

[solid marten]

you can set position by returning it in respawn event handler

[daring wagon]

Didn't know that Respawn eh works for vehicles.

Then I can also copy things from old to new vehicle easily.

[solid marten]

ah good point, i need to check something

[gray wharf]

allVariables?

(+ vehicleVarName & global variable value)

[solid marten]

there is an option to delete old wreck with respawn, need to check wreck exists long enough so you can copy variables

i should probably add option to copy variables automatically

actually probably doesnt need option, just copy it

[coarse sequoia]

It would also need more conditions other than vehicle killed. Like vehicle empty and abandoned for x seconds and no players nearby (y meters), empty and can't move and no players nearby or simply respawn after x seconds if no player is nearby, etc.

[solid marten]

would have been nice but that would require new system of handling when vehicle is alive

[solid marten]

So I have looked at the variable transfer. at least 2 problems. 1. what do you do with global variables? There is no flag saying this object variable is global. It will need to have this property. 2. what do you do with variables that have list of specific client targets? Also what if object has many public variables do we transfer them all even if some are not needed on the new object. Could be confusing. Let mission maker that set variables decide what they want to transfer.

[gray wharf]

*iirc (to be checked), naming a unit My_Unit in Editor will still target the respawn unit later

regarding public variables, same as unit respawn?

[uncut briar]

I can see issues with mod systems

no one ever added respawn EH for vehicles for re-intialize anything

does it fire init EH?

BI respawn module copies the global variables and it's the worst thing

[solid marten]

the name is transferred and assigned new object as far as i can tell

[uncut briar]

but it creates new vehicle, so you get a new vehicle with basically "false" state of variables.

[solid marten]

you can have marker respawn_vehname and base respawn for vehicle and move it wherever you want

[uncut briar]

how's that related to what I wrote?

[solid marten]

global and moddable

[uncut briar]

I'm writing about variables on vehicle object.

[solid marten]

don't need eh

[uncut briar]

I init ACE Cargo on vehicle

vehicle respawns

[solid marten]

unless you are talking about something else

[uncut briar]

variables are copied, state is fucked

mod suddenly needs to account for new cases.

[solid marten]

ACE uses engine vehicle respawn?

[uncut briar]

it does not, mission maker can use it with a mission that does

[solid marten]

what do you suggest

[uncut briar]

I do not know, leave it dead as everyone who needed vehicle respawn made one with createVehicle in the past 10 years.

I'm feeling like it would be better to spend the time to make the respawn module more reliable

it's known to break frequently

[solid marten]

and what did I do to make you think it is not gonna be this way?

[uncut briar]

sometimes it ends up in a fountain of vehicles flying into an air and exploding on dedicated

[solid marten]

nothing is changed, unless you explicitly use respawnvehicle with enabled respawn nothing is automatically respawning

[uncut briar]

no good solution here, I guess it would be wise to use "Respawned" EH on vehicles to properly re-initialize stuff. But no one ever did as no one used that feature 🫠

[solid marten]

ideally you don't set the variables on object but keep hashmap on server were the key is varname of the vehicle that will always point to the respawned vehicle.

[desert trench]

unfortunately i kinda feel the same.

limited effort into fixing the engine's own vehicle respawn is OK. however gets easily complex if you want to provided an advanced version

i'd assume essentially no one uses the engine vehicle respawn system - maybe a few no longer used PvP modes did. so chances to break things are probably limited. still vehicle respawn is usually a quite customized system.

the BI module vehicle respawn probably is used more. no clue what issues it has or whats worth to fix, and what problems that may cause if ppl worked around that

[solid marten]

engine respawn doesn't work by default you have to enable vehicle to respawn this way

was like this always

and vehicle can only do instant or base

and respawn param controls mode of both unit and vehicle so unless they are both either instant or base no vehicle respawn is possible

[desert trench]

p:\a3\functions_f\systems\fn_respawnmanager.sqf

254 _what respawnVehicle[-1, 0];

this seems the only time A3 itself uses the command

[solid marten]

there is a getter that tells you that vehicle is in respawn queue it also can be added and removed time adjusted and many other features easily. you don't want engine respawn, you can make vehicle not respawn if it was enabled, at any time

[solid marten]

yes it also uses RE

some arma 2 relic

[desert trench]

i think to have the basic functionality working is fine. just wouldnt attempt to do more than that

[solid marten]

the 0 will have to change for -1 and judging by this feedback probably for the better

[outer frigate]

is vehicles not being able to collide with attached objects an oversight/bug/limitation?
players can just fine

[sinful kettle]

I'd say players colliding is a bug 😅

Anyway, afaik it's a limitation of PhysX. IIRC you can't disable collision between 2 specific objects. You can just use "flags" to ignore the collision of objects with that flag

[devout wave]

I disagree, I find it very useful to be able to attach things so they stay still but don't lose collision and interactivity

[sinful kettle]

They do lose interactivity with everything else in the world

[outer frigate]

i dont understand why itd work for players and not vehicles then? or is it just players dont seem to need that flag because they're only partially physx or something?

[devout wave]

By interactivity I mean being able to shoot them and get in/out, etc, as opposed to disableSimulation which keeps them still but also makes them useless

[sinful kettle]

Men don't use PhysX for collision which is why it's inconsistent

[outer frigate]

ah

wait hang on how on earth do the aircraft carriers have collisions with planes

theyre just pieces attached right?

[devout wave]

I'm not sure they're actually attached

[sinful kettle]

No

[outer frigate]

oh

[sinful kettle]

They're separate afaik

[outer frigate]

i thought the multipartstructure thing attached them

my lead has gone dry then

surely house sim could maintain collisions? theyre not physx iirc?

[dreamy bane]

same as any static object, I guess

[outer frigate]

yeah i thought they were attached

[dreamy bane]

attached to what?

[outer frigate]

logic entity

[dreamy bane]

oh ok

[uncut briar]

No, they're just positioned relatively to init piece by script

[sleek scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993549834550255647/1214597344813654116/2024-03-05_17-33-48.mp4?ex=65f9b0ed&is=65e73bed&hm=d660f659486ef14485a542a6cf86e103a575f82044c31f908e9ec03a7f63f3ee&

☝️ Webknight just fixed the holster/weapon on back animation that in vanilla/ace makes the unit glide for a couple seconds. He did so without any new animations but just by modifying the config file

Why isn't talent like that with that sort of initiative and desire for truly fixing the weird stuff left on board or why hasn't him been offered a position among the official devs escapes me....

[uncut briar]

I do not want to diminish his accomplishment but tweaking stuff like this is usually a mater of persistence in debugging BI stuff than skill.

Eg. I did an animation set for AI to walk with weapons on their back without any new animation, was a matter of setting up diag mode and figuring out animation state machine.

Also there's a dozens of talented modders you can't hire every one of them and some simply prefer to keep modding as hobby, there's qutie a lot of fields that simply pay better than game dev ;)

[sleek scaffold]

You are most accurate with your remarks. I wasn't saying he is more skilled than the current devs but as you said it is his/the persistence and also his will which ultimately leads to things being fixed/improved. I am not saying that the current devs lack that but they seem shackled in comparison. I don't know if that "shackledness" is due to a mindset or a culture thing or a fear thing or a burocratic thing (or all of them). This one guy sees something that can be improved and improves it, period, no questions asked, no detailed ticked needed, boom done. Devs seem to require 20 community testers and modders to request it via a university thesis in order to get something moving. Where is the initiative? The passion?

[limpid rune]

I found something similar back in spearhead testing phase, cuz we have the 'take weapon from back' animation play when leaving turrets etc where the unit has their weapon on their back and it would cause the slideyness

the fix was pretty simple too

        class TransAnimBase;
        class AmovPknlMstpSrasWpstDnon_AmovPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon;

        class AmovPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon_AmovPknlMstpSrasWrflDnon: TransAnimBase
        {
            idle = "";
            mask = "weaponSwitching";
        };
        class AmovPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon_AmovPknlMstpSrasWpstDnon: AmovPknlMstpSrasWpstDnon_AmovPknlMstpSnonWnonDnon
        {
            idle = "";
            mask = "weaponSwitching";
        };

is all it took iirc

this was kneeling tho

[gaunt depot]

Wish this fix could make it into the game

[outer frigate]

mind if i pinch this for two primaries? would be pretty useful

[limpid rune]

go for it I mean I'd sooner see it in an arma patch 😅
I think I was gonna post a ticket about it but forgot

[alpine tulip]

I mean it's quite easy to ignore this idea because it's too dumb idea, but what about an alternative array requiredAddons that does if listed addons exist this config will be loaded later of them, but it won't throw an error if they don't and just load right after requiredAddons?

So like... notSoRequiredAddonsButIfTheyAreHereLoadAfter[]

[deep plaza]

Why is it a dumb idea?

[uncut briar]

was this fixed? I see there's a ticket number assigned and was unable to reproduce just now (profiling).

[sinful kettle]

I fixed it myself 2 years ago

[solid marten]

i'll have a look next

[fresh hawk]

If you are looking at corpses, can you see if it's possible to have any setPos commands not desync a corpse?
I'm trying to move bodies around for a body dragging/carrying mechanic to be used in ACE. The idea is to use a dummy (alive, can't any damage) whilst the "body" is being dragged/carried. Once the player stops dragging/carrying, the original corpse is teleporter to the location where the dummy was dropped. Currently, it's hit and miss - I can't get the corpse's new position to sync on all machines (either the corpse doesn't move or it teleports to [0, 0, 0]), even when using awake.

Can make a ticket if you want me to

[gaunt depot]

Does awake even do anything to dead units ragdoll bodies?

[solid marten]

it is probably because dead body stops certain network updates to save on performance? haven't looked at it but it's the first thing that comes to mind

[gaunt depot]

Having commands to manipulate dead bodies would indeed be useful, even simply being able to reliably stop ragdoll simulation.

[solid marten]

there is quite a lot of traffic for brain class which when destroyed soon after death is not updated any more

[devout wave]

That's pretty much what it was added for, allowing desimulated corpses to be re-ragdolled when buildings get destroyed

[gaunt depot]

When I was making my body dragging script I remember it doing absolutely nothing

[devout wave]

Sorry, not what it was added for, but functionality specifically for that was added to it 1 update after it was added

[solid marten]

does it still drop body with building destruction?

[gaunt depot]

BODY enablePhysics BOOL to force start/stop physx, so you can say apply normal animations to it like you could in OA

Having to switchMove it every frame right now

I probably can script simulate animations, now when we have that alt syntax for switchMove

[devout wave]

It appears to be working fine on current stable. Manually doing awake on a corpse also has a visible effect.

[gaunt depot]

🤔

[devout wave]

As mentioned, there was a 1-update gap between when awake was added and when it started working on corpses. If you tested after 2.08 but before 2.10, you would've been using the version without necromancy enabled.

[oblique crest]

Any reason why

vehicle animate ["mainTurret", 0.2];

wouldn't work?

Is it because source = "mainTurret"; that is engine defined and can't be edited with SQF?

[devout wave]

Yes

[gaunt depot]

I think there also was some kind of bug with config inheritance?

Nevermind, its animateSource issue

[oblique crest]

I would like to sync two vehicles together, one with crew and one without.
That would include position, rotation, hitpoints and turret animation state.
But can't fire out how to do the last one

[sinful kettle]

lockCameraTo

that or the vehicle must be simple object to use animate

[oblique crest]

The tank would be unmanned, so a simple object might be the solution here

Would hitpoints work on simple object though?
To show the current damage state of the vehicle

[sinful kettle]

no. simple objects don't take damage

but you can animate the damage anims

[oblique crest]

That sounds like something that would be really hard to automate for larger number number of vehicles

[sleek scaffold]

Before you were a dev? Did that fix made it to unmodded Arma 3 yet?

[sleek scaffold]

Nice find, even nicer fix, there are so many issues like this, specially related to the weapon on back animation and its transitions. If I've holstered a pistol and I also have a launcher, if I am kneeling and try to unholster the pistol my character first plays a very long launcher animation before taking the pistol out. In those seconds you are playing an unneeded animation it is easy to get killed

Details like that, thou minor, are easy to fix yet no one takes the initiative and moders are to lazy to make detailed tickets that will probably be rejected anyway so for most it is not worth doing it

[outer frigate]

as probably 90% of arma modders can relate there just arent enough hours in the day

[outer frigate]

brief idea i had, would it be possible for addon builder to query subfolder for addons folder & keys folder? may be a nice qol thing for building

[sinful kettle]

yes. I didn't have time to add it "officially"

the change is very simple though:

class CfgMovesBasic {
    //idle affects legs when weapon switching? wat?
    class Default {
        idle="";
    };
    // etc. etc.
};

I have more fixes that I meant to publish as a mod but I never did.

[sinful kettle]

tho I never got to check the game code to see why idle affected the legs during weapon switching. that's why I didn't add it to the game

[outer frigate]

arent they gestures?

[sleek scaffold]

if it is in your power to add them officially please do so so the work doesn't go to waste. As a mod it would have a narrow reach in comparison

Small fixes and improvements like that truly help make Arma 3 look less clunky and outdated. Such additions also help bring back mission markers and moders. It is truly motivating when funky workarounds are no longer needed and we can focus on crafting stories and scenarios and not hotfixes in our mods/missions

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171273
Have a ticket about it, couldn't fix it myself

Having both issues fixed would be great

[west onyx]

@solid marten should i expect the vanilla garbage collector (wrecks and bodies) to be more performant than an identical SQF scripted system?

[outer frigate]

isnt the vanilla garbage collector done in sqf?

[west onyx]

hence the Q 🙂

[outer frigate]

then the answer would clearly be no lol

in fact itd probably be quicker if you make use of newer syntaxes and commands for filtering etc

[west onyx]

well there are script commands for the remains collector, which would be strange for an SQF scripted system

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addToRemainsCollector

so imo the answer isnt clearly no

[sinful kettle]

Yeah I think so

[solid marten]

which sqf system? i can't compare to unknown

[desert trench]

@solid marten did you do the suggested fixes part 2 for garbage collector, or still wip? (was/is it related to vehicle respawn/wrecks)

[solid marten]

should be in

[desert trench]

ok great - we will test with next dev branch update then

[solid marten]

yes please

[alpine tulip]

RIP bob

[fresh hawk]

Last time I checked, deleting the corpse deleted the weapon holders belonging to said corpse. Can there be a command that stops that type of deletion on a per corpse basis?

[near cedar]

Or replace with a dummy/invisible corpse that has minimal overhead?

[regal nimbus]

well, you can always "move" the items into another weapon holder.

but I would guess the request is intended to avoid that sort of hassle.

Personally I want the corpse weapon holders gone when the corpse goes.

[sleek scaffold]

Indeed, whatever is optimal for performance is the way to go with Arma...

Devs tackling the previously dysfunctional Garbage Collector is a godsend, much needed. Tremendous midfield goal by KillzoneKid who scores another one for team BI

[solid marten]

Thats the default behaviour. These weaponholders monitor themselves. When corpse is deleted they delete themselves

[fresh hawk]

In most cases yes, but I do have use cases where I'd like to disable it

[outer frigate]

surely you can just remove them from garbage collectable

[regal nimbus]

You'd have to remove the corpse, because the weapon holder deletion is an engine feature not a GC feature.

[outer frigate]

ah i see

[solid marten]

normal weaponholders are not yet automatically added, still WIP

[west onyx]

i guess im asking if the garbage collector is in SQF or internal

i do some basic stuff for wrecks, trying new "getEntityInfo" for wreck age

but if vanilla system is quite performance friendly then i might consider it optional in my stuff, for communities to choose my scripted or vanilla

too big to paste all but here are some of the key segments

deleteVehicle (_allDeadVehicles select {
    ((_allPlayers inAreaArray [_x,_distanceIrrelevantVehicle,_distanceIrrelevantVehicle]) isEqualTo [])
});```

^ to clear distant wrecks >1km from players

_allDeadVehicles = _allDeadVehicles select {!isNull _x};
_deadCount = count _allDeadVehicles;
if ((_deadCount - _thresholdLowerVehicle) > 0) then {
    _toDelete = [];
    _allDeadVehiclesSorted = _allDeadVehicles apply {
        [
            _x getEntityInfo 3,        //Number: how long vehicle been dead for
            ((_allPlayers inAreaArray [_x,_distanceRelevantVehicle,_distanceRelevantVehicle]) isNotEqualTo []),    //Bool: Is a player nearby
            _x
        ]
    };
    _allDeadVehiclesSorted sort FALSE;```

^ to sort remaining by wreck age and if its within 50m of players

{
    _x params ['_deadFor','_deadNearPlayer','_deadUnit'];
    _deadForThreshold = linearConversion [
        _thresholdLowerVehicle,            //5
        _thresholdUpperVehicle,            //15
        _deadCount,                        // ?
        _deadDurationLowerVehicle,        //60 - stays not cleaned up longer, when there are fewer bodies
        _deadDurationUpperVehicle,        //30 - stays not cleaned up shorter, when there are more bodies
        _true                            //clip
    ];
    _deadFor = [_deadFor,_deadFor / _nearPlayerCoefVehicle] select _deadNearPlayer;
    if (
        (_deadFor > _deadForThreshold) ||
        ((_deadCount > _thresholdUpperVehicle) && (!(_deadNearPlayer)))
    ) then {
        _deadCount = _deadCount - 1;
        _toDelete pushBack _deadUnit;```

^ adjusting how aggressively wrecks are cleaned based on how many wrecks there are. if there are a lot of wrecks, wrecks are removed faster

[west onyx]

@solid marten possible with new "respawnVehicle" to define custom respawn marker/loc per vehicle? ideally would be precise ASL marker pos, for Z axis manipulation (ship decks, raised helipads, etc)

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/respawnVehicle

vehicle respawnVehicle [respawnDelay, respawnCount, deleteOldWreck, respawnOnServer, respawnFlying, respawnUnit, respawnMode, respawnSide, useRespawnMarkerDir,customRespawnMarkerPosASL<string>]``` see last proposed arg

also some event handler (or scripted event handler trigger) would be great, to hande "on vehicle respawn"

[solid marten]

was always possible

[solid marten]

there is Respawn and MPRespawn

both can return position

also was always possible

I am writing a page for a vehicle respawn mechanics

[west onyx]

in the docs it appears just on "respawn_vehicle_WEST" marker(s)

[solid marten]

Before (in order of checking):

respawn_vehvarname...
respawn_vehicle_side...
respawn_side...
respawn...

now

respawn_vehvarname_side....
respawn_vehvarname...
respawn_vehicle_side...
respawn_vehicle...
respawn_side...
respawn...

[gray wharf]

2.18?

[solid marten]

probably

[daring wagon]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/load3DENScenario Are these example still correct?

17:43:33 Error +: Invalid scenario name format. Expected format: missions\MyMission.VR or MPMissions\MyMPMission.VR

Nevermind.

[regal nimbus]

Could we have something like _element = deleteRandom _array, like a combination of deleteAt and selectRandom?

It's a really common paradigm in our stuff because you often want to pick a random element from an array, test it, and then try another one if it doesn't match the conditions.

And with deleteAt random N being broken it's really messy to write.

Something like _array deleteAt true would be fine too, but maybe a bit opaque.

[solid marten]

whats broken

[regal nimbus]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T168113

[solid marten]

float == float pretty sure you shouldn't do this

some read https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Number

[regal nimbus]

sighs

_array deleteAt random (count _array - 1) breaks. Happens in live code.

This is how I found the issue in the first place.

[solid marten]

try selecting from array : floor random 10

[regal nimbus]

That's exactly what the code was doing.

And very occasionally we'd hit nils.

[solid marten]

i call horse poo on this one

count array -1 is the last element whatever happens you are not exeeding it

[regal nimbus]

sorry, code was count _array

Got used to having to cap it to count -1

[solid marten]

you need to floor it

floor random count

[regal nimbus]

Doesn't help.

[solid marten]

give me repro where it breaks with floor added

[regal nimbus]

I mean, the original code was _road = _roads deleteAt floor random count _roads;

[solid marten]

in the ticket?

the ticket is not doing it right

[regal nimbus]

Nah, it'd take forever to replicate with that.

[solid marten]

good, means it is fine

floor 0.99999999999999999999999999999999999 is 0 not 1 no matter how much you try

[regal nimbus]

For what it's worth, random 1 is probably fine because that's how it's written.

random 10 is not, because the 0.99999r * 10 does get rounded up.

[solid marten]

this ^^^ explains it

[regal nimbus]

Uh

I mean, random 10 can return 10. Not 9.99999999. 10.

[solid marten]

If you think there is a problem with random, make repro and I will look at it

[solid marten]

make a repro where it returns 10

you cant compare it to 10 like in the ticket

you cant use random 10 to select from array either because this float will be rounded and can well round to 10.

you cant print it and compare string either. Everything is explained in that link. the only correct way to use random as index is to floor the result

[regal nimbus]

Rewritten so it'll typically trigger within a minute:

[] spawn { 
    private _attempt = 0; 
    private _nohit = true;
    while {_noHit} do { 
        systemChat str _attempt;
        isNil {   
            for "_i" from 1 to 100000 do {
                if (floor random 1000 == 1000) exitWith { 
                    systemChat "hit";
                    _noHit = false;
                };
            };
        };
        _attempt = _attempt + 100000;
    }; 
};

Works fine with 10 too if you prefer.

huh, actually works with 1 too

surprised by that.

[solid marten]

I reproed it, thanks.

b
 (GCC #63176 LLVM #18767 MSVC STL #1074). This was originally only thought to happen when RealType is float and when LWG issue 2524 is present, but it has since been shown that neither is required to trigger the bug.```

this is why we cant have nice things

[regal nimbus]

Just cap the output of random tbh. SQF is slow enough that you don't have to worry about the details :P

deleteRandom or equivalent would still be preferable because it's one command rather than four (deleteAt floor random count).

but capping random at least saves the min (count - 1)

Although general-purpose capping is non-trivial because you can't use a fixed epsilon.

[gaunt depot]

Check if random == input number and then run it again?

Probably will be super fast in engine

[regal nimbus]

Yeah the run-again solutions always make me nervous but I don't think there's a downside here.

as long as you didn't use it on the seeded randoms.

or used it carefully on them :P

[alpine tulip]

loadConfig "a3\data_f\default.rvmat"```causes an CTD?

[alpine tulip]

Because I thought up for a VERY VERY specific and small special case. I'm not sure it's worth it to change how CfgPatches work

[regal nimbus]

I'd have thought you could work around it with a combination of two patches.

but then I don't know the case. It just reminds me of others.

[gaunt depot]

Seeing group event handlers makes me wish there was an event handler that fired when unit changes group

GroupChanged or something

[solid marten]

there is no left and joined?

[gaunt depot]

Nope, no group events on entities

[solid marten]

I think @untold sky added Group EHs, can it be done?

[gray wharf]

you can always add a group EH to the unit's group then re-grab the new group after that?

[gaunt depot]

Hmm, good idea

[clear glen]

I use this to update data on the server when units are spawned into or move into another group

params ["_group", "_newUnit"];

private _oldId = _newUnit getvariable "myGroup";
private _id = groupId _group;

if (!(isNil "_oldID") && {_oldId != _id}) then {
    private _id = groupId _group;
    private _uid = _newUnit setVariable ["myGroup",_id];

    [_id] call my_fnc_UpdateGroupServer;
    [_oldId] call my_fnc_UpdateGroupServer;
};```

it's a UnitJoined EH

[regal nimbus]

Are you assuming that a unit will never join a group with a different locality?

wonders

What is the locality of the group event handlers?

[clear glen]

Player controlled groups are handled seperately.

Also, the only thing the UpdateGroupServer functions do is re-analyze the groups weapon capabilities and some other data. It could easily just trigger on a client and remotely exec the same functions

[west onyx]

is this a low hanging fruit @solid marten ? https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178710

[regal nimbus]

I'd rather have _hashmap deleteRange _arrayOfKeys

[gaunt depot]

Is this really needed with SimpleVM being a thing? Won't it practically do that already?

[regal nimbus]

Groups and markers aren't something you spam-create temporarily as part of an algorithm (unless you're doing it wrong), so having an array delete for them doesn't really matter. It's just syntactic sugar.

[west onyx]

ive been tinkering with arma for awhile and never heard of simplevm

[regal nimbus]

Probably is easy to implement though.

[gaunt depot]

deleteAll would be a more fitting name

[regal nimbus]

New names are bad, right

[gaunt depot]

or deleteKeys

deleteEach?

[regal nimbus]

_hashmap deleteAt _arrayOfKeys is another option.

[gaunt depot]

Oh there is ARRAY deleteAt ARRAY since 2.18

[regal nimbus]

huh, 2.18 already added array deleteAt indexes

[gaunt depot]

yep, just noticed it

could work for hashmaps too then

[regal nimbus]

hashmap version plz then :P

Then I can finally do non-O(N^2) array subtraction.

[gaunt depot]

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

Only active on perf build right now it seems

You can try measuring with and without it for multi-marker deletion

Once again I'm feeling the need for my setN command idea @ https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178841

private _new_color = +_color;
_new_color set [3, 0.5];
_ctrl ctrlSetBackgroundColor _new_color;
```with it would be able to one-line it with
```sqf
_ctrl ctrlSetBackgroundColor (+_color setN [3, 0.5]);

Also stuff like:

_hashmap setN ["key1", 123, "key2", 321];

[regal nimbus]

I just want that for the return value so I can simpify all the godawful z-sets.

[regal nimbus]

oh also _hashmap findAny _arrayOfKeys

[gaunt depot]

Same, my most needs for this are Z coordinate sets

[west onyx]

should be local to whichever machine added them, not group locality

[daring wagon]

@untold sky https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Eden_Editor_Event_Handlers#OnEntityParentChanged Is the behaviour I have documented here intended?

The event seems to fire twice for each action. Returning objNull for the "newParent". Not really sure if that is useful.

OnMoveGridDecrease/increase doesn't seem to fire at all.

Same for OnRotateGridDecrease/increase

OnToggleMapIDs doesn't fire as well. When using do3DENAction "ToggleMapIDs"

OnEditableEntityAttributeChanged seems to not be implemented at all. Gives me enum error

[gaunt depot]

UnitJoined and UnitLeft locality is all over the place

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

[gaunt depot]

Is there still no way to get which camera you're viewing from? cameraOn still points to player vehicle even if you did cameraEffect on some camera entity.

[alpine tulip]

Nope, there is no comprehensive getter for cameraEffect

I also miss current viewmode (NV/TI)

[gaunt depot]

GIB

[gaunt depot]

Not sure how this works internall. getCamera? getCameras?

if its null, then you're viewing cameraOn entity?

[alpine tulip]

I think cameraEffects or something like that, that could return [camera object, effect, viewmode, isPrimary, r2t] or smth

[gaunt depot]

Wish there was a way to assign behaviours to custom radio channels

Like having the channel behave like side channel (only audible in you are in same side), group channel (only audible if you are in same group), having channel audible in 3d like Direct Channel

This would make usage of 10 custom channel slots much better, because you can use one custom channel for all sides instead of having to use up custom channel for each side

[daring wagon]

(get3DENSelected "Trigger" # 0) addEventHandler ["AttributesChanged3DEN", 
{ 
  systemChat "AttributesChanged3DEN"; 
  call ENH_fnc_garrison_updateValues; 
}];

Event handlers can be added to triggers?

[gaunt depot]

It seems that radioChannelAdd works similarly to publicVariable, as in one client can overwrite another client's changes, we started using custom channels and you randomly end up not being added to the channel

I wonder if this players list ever gets cleaned up and its not 1000 objnulls being broadcasted everywhere

[devout wave]

That would explain some things 🤔 we ended up having to just constantly do channel eligibility checks because people were occasionally failing to be added/removed by event-based checks and we couldn't figure out why

[gaunt depot]

Yeah I do this during spawn and when mission starts a lot of players add themselves, you end up with players randomly not being in the channel, same as if everyone would do publicVariable and overwrite each other

Lets see if RE to the server to add you to the channel will be more reliable

[gaunt depot]

I was under impression that vehicles are hardcoded to explode with FuelExplosion if explosionEffect is not specified, but it looks like there are exceptions

getText(configFile >> "CfgVehicles" >> "B_Heli_Light_01_dynamicLoadout_F" >> "explosionEffect") => ""

yet it explodes with HelicopterExploSmall

Are there any more such cases?

[gaunt depot]

Now it exploded with FuelExplosion again

WTF is going on

Oh, it is scripted. Weird.

[near cedar]

Feedback Tracker feedback: Could the default operating system when filing a bug report be Win 10 x64 now?

[gray wharf]

nah
let's see if I can do that

ah for Reforger it is indeed Win7

[gray wharf]

done, thx

it took me more time to find how than to do it 😄

[near cedar]

Thank you! 😄

[alpine tulip]

Almost reminder to myself, but screenshot command generates very bright picture despite F12 does generate correct color. Does this mean a Color Profile issue?

I'm outside now, may post example later

[devout wave]

(https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124060)

[alpine tulip]

Well, why I thought of Profile is, a software like ImBatch does recognize correct color

[west onyx]

hmm.. with new respawnVehicle changes, if a vehicle is destroyed it will respawn .. but if it gets deleted? say, by zeus by accident

something like this would be useful to save it from oblivion

_vehicle addEventHandler ['Deleted',{ forceRespawn (_this # 0) }];```

[gray wharf]

isn't there is a mission event handler for that?

[west onyx]

for what?

[daring wagon]

There is CuratorObjectDeleted

[west onyx]

ahh

[solid marten]

scripted look in functions what is called in from killed EH in config

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, found it. Thought engine was doing it for the helicopters.

[solid marten]

there is no wreck state for a car but for every other class is

lots of inconsistencies added over the years not the time to fix

[west onyx]

there's still the question of recovering the deleted vehicle

i guess capture the info in deleted event and respawn it manually?

[daring wagon]

Probably.

[gaunt depot]

Moved radioChannelAdd to be executed only on server side, seems to be reliable now

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten If we can't get damage kind flags into HandleDamage, how about some kind of event that fires before damage is done in HandleDamage?

Basically, find instance where engine does its voodoo before eventually trigerring HandleDamage and fire a reporting event handler (that doesn't change anything, just script reports what is going to happen soon)

Idea for name: ManDamage, which simply fires right before proceeding with local HandleDamage.
ManDamage = [ENTITY, KIND, DAMAGE, ARGS]

Fire cases:

1. Unit got fall damage WorldDamage = [unit, 0, damage, velocity]
2. Unit got hit by some moving entity ManDamage = [unit, 1, damage, entity]
3. Unit got particle (fire) damage ManDamage = [unit, 2, damage, cloudlet class?]
4. Unit got drowning damage ManDamage = [unit, 3, damage]
5. Unit got damaged by rotor ManDamage = [unit, 4, damage, [helicopter, rotor index?]]
6. Unit got damaged by propogated EPE damage (car hit another car, crew inside got damage) = ManDamage = [unit, 5, damage, got hit by?]

[devout wave]

If this can be verified with more long-term testing, then that's definitely something worth putting on the wiki

[gaunt depot]

I'll monitor the situation

[solid marten]

what wasnt reliable?

[gaunt depot]

radioChannelAdd executed on clients seems to end up with clients randomly being excluded from that list

Happens the most during start where each client adds themselves to the same channel, some players are randomly missing

[solid marten]

I was expecting you to say that 😉

[gaunt depot]

Same as if all players would publicVariable at once, you end up with one client overwriting others

[solid marten]

Looked up the code and the new units are just assigned not added so if you added an extra unit, you end up with some units missing on clients

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, very unreliable when used on clients

[solid marten]

i will fix that make a ticket please

[gaunt depot]

I rewrote my stuff to only have the server run the command and it seems to be reliable so far, gonna see how it goes

[gaunt depot]

Will do some time

[solid marten]

still no mechanism of removing units?

[gaunt depot]

There is radioChannelRemove

But I wonder if this list ever gets cleaned up, no way to script check that

[solid marten]

ah ok probably better leave it this way

[gaunt depot]

Say players add themselves, die, respawn, add again

Does it end up with 100s of nulls

[solid marten]

yeah good idea will have a look

make a ticket and mention all that i can see this can be improved already

[gaunt depot]

Will do, have another bug to fix there (sentenceType is not broadcasted)

[solid marten]

for custom channel or?

[gaunt depot]

Yes, you can specify sentenceType in radioChannelCreate and its not broadcasted anywhere, only server sees effect of it

[solid marten]

it was meant to add only so no harm if all clients execute at once, you should be able to add just one unit, as of now it seems it will overwrite not add (speaking of channel units)

[gaunt depot]

In practice having each client adding themselves on game start ends up with clients randomly missing from the channel

Since you're peeking at that code, how hard would it be to assign side channel like behaviour to certain custom radio channel? So it players using the channel broadcast their voice and text only to players of same side, just like default side channel behaves.

[solid marten]

yeah it doesnt

[gaunt depot]

This way you could use same channel for all sides instead of having to use scarce channel IDs for each side

[solid marten]

lets fix all this first

its already a lot

then will see, but for now I need all the bugs in one ticket

[gaunt depot]

Alright, I'll do the tickets for custom channels some time later

[gaunt depot]

Speaking of which, I wonder if making radioChannelAdd completely local could achieve this effect

As in you only add wanted recipients on your client

so each clients adds/removes recipients depending on their side

You could also do stuff like being able to talk into the channel but not hear back

[untold sky]

you can already do that with preprocessor has_include

[untold sky]

Thats how eden works

[untold sky]

As far as I can see should trigger, but only if map is open?

[untold sky]

OnEntityAttributeChanged ?

[daring wagon]

will check.

[daring wagon]

So it basically first moves it into a "void" and then assigns a new parent

Not a problem as long as it's intended and documented.

[gaunt depot]

Going further with this idea, you'll be able to do stuff like Radio <1km custom channel, by adding and removing players that are near you

Or add custom checks like terrain, being inside, etc.

All fairly easily scripted

Not sure how to make this backwards compatible though

NUMBER radioChannelSetLocal BOOL ?

Which stops the channel from reciving and broadcasting that players list and you can edit it on your client only

Then you script-control list of recepients by gameplay logic

Feels like an easy change, opens up LOTS of usages for custom channels

Did anyone understand my ramblings?

Speaking of which, both label and call sign could be local too

so you can discover unknown channels and its name is unknown until some condition

[devout wave]

Addition: radioChannelRemove seems to have the same thing, just the other way (units not being removed when they should be)

[gaunt depot]

yeah probably gets overwritten the same way by a change from another client

[daring wagon]

That was it

As far as I can see should trigger, but only if map is open?
Confirmed and documented

[daring wagon]

@untold sky
None of the event handlers here (https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Eden_Editor_Event_Handlers#Object_Event_Handlers) work for triggers. Looks to me like an oversight. Maybe because addEventHandler was originally not designed for Eden entities?
Would it be worth making a ticket?

[solid marten]

it does

fixed sentence type

[gaunt depot]

What do you think about my local radio channel idea, is it viable? Would having this recipient list local work?

[alpine tulip]

True point but I'd like to see more "wise" solution, plus binarization

[gaunt depot]

tl;dr; version:

• Set radio channels to local mode. Users lists, callsign and label are no longer recieved or broadcasted.
• By maintaining local users list you specify which clients will get your VON/text and which won't, this way you can have very flexible dynamic channels

[alpine tulip]

Oh your radio channel idea recalls me I wanted a "semi-realistic" radio simulation, like bad transmit quality if the one is distant from receiver

Also 2D radio voice, I'd like to hear from 3D too, from speaker's mouth

[gaunt depot]

Oh yeah, that was another thing I thought of, being able to customize that

Not sure if engine allows it though and its not hardcoded to only ever work with direct channel or something

NUMBER setChannelAudible3D BOOL something like that

I'd love to have usual channels work in 3d too

[gaunt depot]

If my idea is viable, you'd be able to add and remove some distant\obstructed client each other frame for worsening audio quality for example

Then you can scramble chat text through HandleChatMessage too

[alpine tulip]

Yeah setting VON vol is possible

[gaunt depot]

Wont work for all languages though

[alpine tulip]

I'd imagine [2D, 3D] IMO

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, perhaps

[untold sky]

ticket please. The eden collab guy will need that 😄

[daring wagon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179870

In fact. They also don't work for markers because these are just strings. I kinda wish we had a alt syntax for add3DENEventHandler to just work with every eden entity.

Reusing addEventHandler looks like an odd choice but I guess there was a reason for it.

[solid marten]

where is my custom chat bug ticket

[uncut briar]

Bump 🙏

[solid marten]

is there vanilla repro?

[uncut briar]

I don't have any. Could probably mod it with minimal config changes

[alpine tulip]

Yearly reminder: I want a better DOF 😩 having only 4 blurs is very bad...
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T163827

[gray wharf]

discreetly assigns it to Dedmen

[alpine tulip]

It's quite “who uses it when it's bad?” <-> “if it's bad, make it better” situation

A few back ago, I tried to make such effect using what we have, but it's stupid since it is just bunch of particle effects 😦

[outer frigate]

dedmen said he would do scripted DOF when i asked earlier this year 😄

[alpine tulip]

Hell why I forgot the convo 😓

[gaunt depot]

Which issues? Adding-removing players? sentenceType?

Or did you solve them already and its no longer needed

[brazen girder]

MP Bug:
If Stomper RCWS is placed by zeus, it can be driven by him from the gunner controls.
Other players cannot drive from gunner controls.

Workaround: Taking driver controls, waiting a while until it reacts to WASD, taking gunner controls, now its drivable.

Problem about it: Modded remote controllable vehicles, where driver is not meant to be available, but only gunner controls, are unusable if given to players by zeus. 😔

Question: Is this fixable by scripting/cfg editing, or can this be fixed by an update at some later point? 🤔

[outer frigate]

make a ticket

[brazen girder]

How?

[near cedar]

https://feedback.bistudio.com

[gaunt depot]

I remember this, I had to do scripted ownership transfer

[west onyx]

love the new weaponholder manager ... one small request is to have a separate "minPlayerDistance" for it. i want tighter cleanup distance for weaponholders to vehicle wrecks, for example

[solid marten]

maybe an array option [corpses, wrecks, weaponholders]

each can already have own radius not sure why wasn't done as separate param

[gaunt depot]

Answering what I meant, when getConnectedUAVUnit player to a new vehicle, I ask server to change UAV crew group locality to new user with setGroupOwner

This way you get driver and then vehicle ownership as soon as you connect to gunner

So its script fixable

[brazen girder]

I tried this, but likely with the wrong eventhandler as trigger.
The ownership is independant from ace group right? As i dont want the player to be in a seperate ace group, or the AI shown in DUI.

[gaunt depot]

player's group doesn't matter

[brazen girder]

Wonderfull.

[gaunt depot]

I don't remember about EHs, maybe there is something now, I'm simply checking getConnectedUAVUnit player each frame

if its a new uav vehicle and its not local, RE the server asking the ownership

server gets uav crew group, does setGroupOwner to remoteExecutedOwner

[brazen girder]

getConnectedUAVUnit is the whole group, or do you have to check for the group, before setgroupowner?

[gaunt depot]

getConnectedUAVUnit player is UAV unit

checked it again, I do setGroupOwner and then setOwner each UAV crew member (there can only be two, driver and gunner)

Oh there is another check, you should do this request only after gunner uav unit becomes local to you, no idea why

but maybe that's important, I didn't leave my future self a note

[brazen girder]

How would such a script roughly look like? Just so i prevent hours of testing on my end. 😅 I know i can do it, but it might be a frustrating long process.

[gaunt depot]

Nevermind, getConnectedUAVUnit is a unit

[devout wave]

Be careful with this in new versions that allow multiple players to control a UAV at the same time. I dunno what happens if you transfer group locality away from a player who's currently "using it"

[gaunt depot]

Okay, here is my logic:

1. Wait until you get new getConnectedUAVUnit unit and it is NOT local (means you connected to remote UAV for the first time)
2. Wait until that new getConnectedUAVUnit becomes local
3. Then ask the server for the rest of the vehicle's locality with RE
4. Server does setGroupOwner on UAV crew group, setOwner on crew that is still remote

[gaunt depot]

Any info? I thought it was actually prevented from being controlled by multiple players

There was a bug where you could connect two terminals to one UAV and have two players on different UAV crew members (or script it with remoteControl)

[devout wave]

Currently prevented, recent change (not stable yet) allows multi crew. KK was working on it

[gaunt depot]

I think I have something to break the connection to fix this so its always assumed one player controls one UAV

[gaunt depot]

Can you point me to the ticket or post about it?

[brazen girder]

Wouldnt be an issue, i would just lock the driver then.

[gaunt depot]

You can use my logic only if there is no driver or driver is locked

[devout wave]

On mobile right now so don't really want to search for it. It was discussed in here, devbranch, or perf, most likely

[gaunt depot]

What was the idea? Connecting several terminals to same UAV?

You could already have two players controlling different UAV units before that with remoteControl

Having several terminals on same UAV was possible through a bug too

So I wonder what changed

[devout wave]

Yes, multiple terminals one UAV, so one player can control gunner while another controls the driver

[gaunt depot]

Unlimited number of terminals connectable to same UAV?

Optional? Always available?

[devout wave]

I think [citation needed] it was always intended to work like this, which is probably why the bug you mention existed

[devout wave]

I don't remember/that wasn't in the information given

[gaunt depot]

Please point me to post\ticket if you can

[devout wave]

#perf_prof_branch message

[gaunt depot]

Thanks! So it is indeed unlimited number of connections are allowed now

I was script-fixing it being an exploit before 😬

[brazen girder]

Which has control priority then?

[gaunt depot]

I guess my locality change gonna need an update in case driver disconnects so locality can go to gunner so they can WASD+Shoot from one seat

[gaunt depot]

Simply connecting doesn't change anything, its when you take control what matters

Apparently you can connect as many terminals as you want right now, but there will be no "Control driver", "Control gunner" actions if these are used by another player

Wonder what that hasTerminalOpened does now when multiple terminals are allowed

@ getEntityInfo

[devout wave]

"right now" is for dev/perf, to be clear. That change was too late for 2.14 so it's not on stable branch yet

[gaunt depot]

Well I guess its a done deal and we all need to account for that, accounting for several players on one UAV shouldn't be an issue on current stable, it was technically possible anyway

[devout wave]

I've got a feeling it'll be in 2.16 for the new RF UAVs, but that's not officially confirmed

[gaunt depot]

🤔

[brazen girder]

Do you have it on a github or so? 🤔 I can likely make it, but as its a MP issue it takes a lot of time booting the server after every test, and requiring a second person to confirm its working. 😔

[devout wave]

I'm unclear on whether that's for use on the UAV unit, or the player who has the UAV terminal open. It might be the latter, in which case it will work exactly the same way because a single player can still only have one active terminal in their terminal slot.

* I think it is the latter

[solid marten]

it's on dev why dont you try it and report any problems so we have time to fix if any. 2.16 will be small as I've heard

[sleek scaffold]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setMissionOptions

☝️ "IgnoreFakeHeadHit" I am going to cry of happiness, this is the second time the devs actually listened to me (probably they listened to other dude). The first time was about the suppressedEH and it was damn worth the 3 days argument with dedmeme + him banning me from his heart

I was thinking that a "speedChangedEH" would be also great to have...

Just kidding, I am gone before being banned for good, bye

Devs too busy fulfilling CDLC devs wet dreams anyway so....

"I will find my own way the door now, thanks"

[daring wagon]

Devs too busy fulfilling CDLC devs wet dreams anyway so....
We have to make tickets as anyone else.

[sleek scaffold]

Good thing that a CDLC's wet dream is often also a moder's wet dream too 😉, so keep those tickets coming 👌

[near cedar]

What will this enable?

[gaunt depot]

Last time I tried it did nothing

[gaunt depot]

No I don't, sorry

Considering new developments with official multi-terminal use, I'll need to rewrite my stuff anyways

[sleek scaffold]

Well, its name implies that the command can be used to avoid hits not being done to the head being registered as head damage erroneously by the damagedEH

[west onyx]

this would be ideal

[solid marten]

And I asked you for the repro as it was working for me

[unborn acorn]

I'm writing ticket for hide the Vehicle channel (VoN and chat) for players not in vehicle and the Command channel for non leader players... I want to ask about the Command channel, biki (https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Field_Manual_-_Multiplayer) says

Command – to your faction commanders
So in my tests any non squad leaders can sand message in Command channel and it will be visible(audible) for him self and all squad leaders and no for other non-squad leads. Is this correct behavior?

I'm not sure because I understand biki info, this channel is visible and audible only for players who are leaders https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/leader

[solid marten]

@gray wharf ^^

[gray wharf]

I unfortunately do not know, as I am not much of a MP person myself :(
I would assume that only leaders can speak there, but that's my best guess 😬

[solid marten]

makes sense as we have side channel for everyone on the same side and group channel for anyone in the same group. current behaviour looks like side channel

[gray wharf]

group leaders won't notice if that's already the case, otherwise they will thank you for fixing it avoiding troll spam in lead chat

[unborn acorn]

I just created ticket about it
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179942

[solid marten]

yes, it looks like this is how it was intended in the code, and if it doesnt work like this (cannot immediately see why it shouldn't) it is a definite bug

[solid marten]

it makes no sense, your subordinate can send message on command channel for you to see but cannot see your reply on the same channel.

[gray wharf]

yep, makes no sense to me
makes subordinates able to spam chat without consequences…

either that or it allows peeps to throw in intel, but it seems weird still to be able to talk to all leads without answer

[brazen girder]

https://dev.arma3.com/post/spotrep-00076

"Added: Using the hasDriver = -1 config parameter will now create a vehicle without a driver and with a commander who can drive the vehicle directly by the WASD keys "

hasDriver = -1; seems disfunctional for wheeled vehicles, only driving forward and backwards is possible, steering does not work. Aka WS, but not AD.

[gaunt depot]

Do you still need add/remove users for custom channels and sentenceType bugs tickets or you already fixed it?

[solid marten]

no that's done but if there are more bugs you can think of then yes

[gaunt depot]

All custom channels are logged as (Unknown) in RCON, is it possible to make these tags editable?

Something like this
NUMBER radioChannelSetLabelRCON STRING

Have it EL for simplicity

[solid marten]

which RCON? what about non custom channels

[gaunt depot]

RCON and server log file, here is how global vs custom looks like:

22:43:36 BattlEye Server: (Global) Sa-Matra: This is global
22:44:11 BattlEye Server: (Unknown) Sa-Matra: This is custom

[solid marten]

I can have a look if this can be done on Arma side and not some enum in BE

will need a ticket

[desert trench]

can confirm, and it used to work for wheeled. please make a ticket

[solid marten]

No need for ticket. it is BE enum so it is BE problem

[unborn acorn]

Forgot notice about subordinates can send to command channel but can not get answer (chat or VoN) and other subordinates will not see this message

[devout wave]

A small SQF-only change that would make BIS_fnc_holdActionAdd a lot more flexible: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179964

[daring wagon]

Radius would be nice indeed

[devout wave]

This is not a small SQF-only change, but can't hurt to ask :D [locking specific inventory slots]
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179980

[outer frigate]

is there any chance for a hideSelection/disableProxy command? want to be able to hide primary weapon on players 🥺 👉 👈

[devout wave]

That would be useful for me too actually. I'm using an animation in a mission that has the primary weapon stuck to the hand when it shouldn't be, and it'd be much more convenient to hide the weapon rather than trying to figure out a way to take it away and give it back afterwards

[outer frigate]

i personally want it for two primaries so it can always use the positions but yeah would be really nice

[alpine tulip]

setProxyModel

[outer frigate]

big smart

[brazen girder]

Im later gonna do it for rewrite it for UAV's.

But does any version of the following make sence for a player gunner & commander, with an ai driver? To combat locality issues:

init="if (!isserver) exitwith {}; (_this select 0) spawn {while {true} do {setEffectiveCommander (gunner _this); sleep 1;};};"

init="if (!isserver) exitwith {}; (_this select 0) spawn {while {true} do {(group (driver _this)) setGroupOwner (owner (gunner _this)); _this setOwner (owner (gunner _this)); sleep 1;};};"

init="if (!isserver) exitwith {}; (_this select 0) spawn {while {true} do {setEffectiveCommander player; (group (driver _this)) setGroupOwner (owner (gunner _this)); _this setOwner (owner (gunner _this)); sleep 1;};};"

[gaunt depot]

I don't think constantly setting ownership in a thread is a good idea

if(owner gunner _this != owner driver _this) then {...};

[brazen girder]

Probably, but ngl, spending many days on this im getting desperate to find anything that works.

[gaunt depot]

init = "if(isServer) then {_this select 0 spawn {while {true} do {waitUntil{sleep 1; owner gunner _this != owner driver _this;}; group driver _this setGroupOwner owner gunner _this; _this setOwner owner gunner _this; sleep 1;}}}";

Didn't test

[brazen girder]

Gonna give testing results sunday evening. 😊👍

[unborn acorn]

I renamed tank display name in mission folder via change key's text in stringtable.xml str_a3_cfgvehicles_b_mbt_01_tusk_f0, after game start localize "str_a3_cfgvehicles_b_mbt_01_tusk_f0" will return my changed text but IGUI will with original text
So question, can configs take changed(in mission folder no new mod) text instead of the original one to draw for player UI? This game tweak can give ability to rewrite any string in for selected scenario without creating mod

[desert trench]

currently not as strings in game configs get localized on startup

[devout wave]

Relevant ticket (not for any string but would cover this particular case, and I think that's more likely to be practical) https://feedback.bistudio.com/T119190

[gaunt depot]

Custom vehicle names would be super useful

Wanted that since my first day of scripting

A getter is also needed though

[unborn acorn]

Can description.ext make it possible? There are some config overrides... Something like:
updateStrings=1;
allowStringsOverride=1;
allowStringsUpdate=1;

[alpine tulip]

Kinda interested that why the renderer does it correctly to render this situation? Is this because Prowler's seat LOD is built somewhat differently?

[alpine tulip]

Actually it is good to have this Z sorting render priority without issue, especially upon attachTo

[gaunt depot]

Arrow transparent texture something-something?

[alpine tulip]

No, that's not the case

Like in Hunter, you could see the arrow inside outside

[gaunt depot]

🤔

[alpine tulip]

You know what I mean. I've always expected to see that issue everywhere but found out that's not a case in some situation

[devout wave]

Maybe it's because of the seat being FFV?

[brazen girder]

@gaunt depot So someone told me vehicle init is local only. So i cant use it there.
I tested it in the excecute field in zeus instead, but couldnt get it, or edits of it to work.
Any suggestions/ do you remember how you did it back in the day?

[alpine tulip]

Hm looks like true point