#ip_rights_violations

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echo orchid
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these days they are ripping content themselves from basegame, dayz and other mods and put these together differently (huge number of sections btw = poor performance) and call these private mods

fluid elbow
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@echo orchid these are professional modder of Arma 3.. they call themself like that 😏.. in the German Facebook section I was able to read a lot of that stuff and also a lot of illegal activity in selling "their" stuff (exspecially Life stuff, like 99%).. Ive talked a lot to these people in the public comments that such acting is forbidden and also that their stuff is 100% shisle disle and not correctly done + eyecancer to some of their city buildings and whatever.. And they actually know its forbidden and not legal.. but the answers were "The others are doing it also, why shouldnt I??", or "Yes we sell the models and stuff in a other file format and config and instructions we give as goodwill/extra to be in the greyzone" 🤷‍♂️.

I get banned in the FB Arma 3 modding group 😂

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And also sometimes they were fighting each other cause of stolen content like police lightbar and other stuff 😅

echo orchid
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it isn't just about life communities anymore

torpid kiln
rapid cypress
vivid wave
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Won't justify anything

torpid kiln
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*I'm not on their side, based on the workshop page of that TFL Vest addon of "theirs" they were quite dicks. And their memes are lame.

rustic copper
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🍿

gritty river
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why am i being constantly dmca'd

soft egret
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@gritty river what is getting DMCA'ed?

gritty river
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my vests

soft egret
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Well are they yours or are they ripped content from others?

gritty river
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mostly cgtrader or open source stuff

soft egret
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They wouldn't get DMCA'ed if they aren't someone elses content

gritty river
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i had rhs pmags, got dmca'd, removed them up cgtrader vests and reuploaded

soft egret
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Well maybe a good idea not to use ripped content in the first place meowhuh

gritty river
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lmfao

manic laurel
tulip nexus
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PRC-117 and pouch is totally not the one made for RHS' SPC vests, right

manic laurel
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@gritty river ↑ now you know, you can remove them.
even better, you can remove everything that you did not make from your upload and report here

gritty river
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i defo do not have a prc-117 in my vests

tulip nexus
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PRC-152

gritty river
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aight and is that the only thing thats dmca'able

soft egret
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Dude just stop including ripped content in your mods?

manic laurel
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@gritty river no, everything you did not make.

soft egret
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@tulip nexus do you have link to steam user? Can you DM me?

gritty river
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lol its cgtrader dude

soft egret
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Well apparently its not.

gritty river
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nvm thank you monkey for actualy clarifying

manic laurel
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no, everything you did not make.

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*make or buy from cgtrader, of course.

do - not - include - work - from - others, period

gritty river
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there are so many mods with cgtrader assets, whats the problem with that?

manic laurel
gritty river
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just the rhs assets

manic laurel
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everything that you did not import or make yourself, yes

gritty river
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ok

runic wraith
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@gritty river Don't forget about the USP assets/files while you're going through removing things that don't belong to you. Amazing you would come here to ask 'what ripped assets do I need to remove to stop from getting a DMCA?'

manic laurel
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which is why if you don't remove all non-owned assets from your upload, you will be permanently banned @gritty river. Tread carefully.

echo orchid
chilly silo
manic laurel
rustic copper
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although even bought models can have been ripped by others...

dull moon
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and IF you bought a model with the right license that was ripped and then illegally uploaded to a shop site, and you get a DMCA after importing it to your mod... well...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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don't buy stuff... make it yourself

chilly silo
# manic laurel Obviously, and correct!

Cheers. Its one i've had to explain 3-4 times this week. Just because they "buy" something people seem to struggle with the idea that they are buying a licence to use something not ownership of the actual item.

manic laurel
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I implied it, my mistake
Let's make things crystal clear

chilly silo
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Theres a dig difference between Editorial and unrestricted licences 😛 And on CGTrader there are many different licence types.

soft egret
manic laurel
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Fixed it ;-)

storm veldt
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Getting a slightly major headache going through some Battlefield 2 mods with ripped Arma 2/3 assets. 😦 Is it okay if I link the offending mods here?

faint nacelle
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yes. also you should report them to the email address in this channels description

storm veldt
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What irks me is that there seems to be praise for this sort of asset hackery work. 😦

faint nacelle
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meh. :C always makes me sad to see people not understanding whats right

soft egret
storm veldt
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Already sent to the mentioned email before I posted them here 🙂

soft egret
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Thanks salute

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Oh you wrote that, sorry I reply before I finish reading because I often have so much to read that I'll forget what I wanted to write

storm veldt
soft egret
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!mute 203315778479456256 7d abusive language towards moderator via DM after multiple warnings for spam

edgy coralBOT
soft egret
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I don't think he intends to fix anything

faint nacelle
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Gut feeling says unlikely unfortunately. blobdoggoshruggoogly

stable zealot
# dull moon don't buy stuff... make it yourself

Eh, disagree. Why remake something to a lesser standard than an asset I can buy for $15. There’s so many professional, PBR models available for so cheap it’s not worth the man hours to reproduce them. Buy what you can and focus your production hours on assets that are unique/cannot be acquired.

Really, it should be “buy what you want, but do your homework”. I only buy from established CG artists with visible workflows. A dead giveaway is a “high quality model” being sold by a no-name account. If you just do the tiniest bit of research to protect yourself, you can buy whatever you like.

echo orchid
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that being said, you need to check the license, because more often than not buying such assets doesn’t give you the rights to distribution

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so easiest thing would be to check with the author if you plan including this is a mod

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for a lot of people making such assets is the reason for modding yo begin with, so it is the journey that matters more than the destination

rustic copper
manic laurel
dull moon
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who what's to hit the hammer first?

soft egret
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@spark bay No weapon sway "Re-uploading this modification to the Steam Workshop is prohibited!"
atleast thats listed in the credits

spark bay
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Thanks, mag repack as well

manic laurel
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☢️

teal roost
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Omg idk why people always put Servers with addons but without Permission from the makers

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They think hosting is like arma cwa without someones permission

stiff jasper
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what's the official policy of mods from STALKER universe? are all those mods from workshop legal enough to advertise units or show screenshots using them?

manic laurel
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if the IP's owner(s) allowed them to, yes… if.

stiff jasper
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seems fair

manic laurel
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But this @smoky flame
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2270447949
is illegal. And you get that taken down IMMEDIATELY and clean up your server of mods you don't have permission to use or I'll have to contact monetization department because you are using mods without permission and illegally reuploading mods to the steam workshop and I'll have to send in a DMCA on that item.
Also this violates our Discord #rules too.
(…)
You take this down now, stop using mods on your server that you don't have permission to use.
Then get permission FIRST before you restart your server.

smoky flame
manic laurel
smoky flame
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what is wrong ?

manic laurel
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  • the mod is illegal
  • the mod usage is illegal
  • usage of this mod can take your monetisation away
smoky flame
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ok

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the monetisation is not on the server

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it's in developpment

manic laurel
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so…?

smoky flame
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I will notify you when monetization is on the server

manic laurel
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will you

take this down now
?

smoky flame
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i can't, because there is 150 peoples playing actually on the server, so a maintenance is programmated to fix the modpack

manic laurel
smoky flame
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it must, but it won't be, I don't cut players in action for 3 addons that must not be on a life server. I stop the discussion here, the STAFF of bohemia discusses with me by email

manic laurel
edgy coralBOT
lone basin
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I don't know what he means by "the monetisation [...] [is] in developpment" but I'm pretty sure I saw people talking about donor slots on their Discord (and their store seems to work just fine, there no indication whatsoever that you will not get the benefits once you pay)

manic laurel
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He meant "what falls under Bohemia Interactive monetisation is not currently in place, therefore do not worry about what is on the server."

anyway, given this behaviour, I would be highly surprised if he were to keep the monetisation for long.

faint nacelle
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the classic worst type life server owner reply

lone basin
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Don't donor slots fall under those rules?
Got a good laugh when he wrote 😄

we cannot afford not to do things by respecting the rules.

faint nacelle
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well naturally they cant. Its not self sustaining business model

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as its not real business model at all

cobalt creek
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The usual Life Serves... And some people wonder why they have such a bad reputation

runic gulch
rustic copper
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I believe those are D3C models, so also (ab)used in GTA

worn sleet
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It is

runic gulch
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The insurgent looks like it was taken from the vanilla GTA

vivid wave
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Yes it is. 100% sure about it, there's 1:1 texture in it

soft egret
hallow idol
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Regardless of if a person is for or against the copyright and IP rules n such, I believe it is important to remember what makes us all related as an Arma community - hating Arma lifers

stiff jasper
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imagine having dozens of ways to keep your mods up to date and the server running, but you can't read so you repack everything that you see on workshop

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and going back to my question about stalker - it seems to be hard to get any info from GSC Game World about usage of either their assets or making mods based on the stalker universe, so maybe somebody asked them earlier and got any reponse

frigid abyss
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huh

stiff jasper
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huh huh

faint nacelle
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@stiff jasper there is no definite answer fot STALKER. The old understanding was that its fine, but the texts/messages to back that up can't be found anymore. You would need to ask the makers.

cinder ridge
faint nacelle
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if I recall right the only surviving post is not made by official representative but some forum admin which makes it a little shaky grounds

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I remember seeing GSC official statement too somewhere back in the day but that is not in the web anymore as far as I can find

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so confirmation would be required

cinder ridge
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oh yeah the moderator thing i heard about some time back, fair point

rustic copper
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As far as I understand (based on the english text: https://www.gsc-game.com/index.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=1&thm_id=20587&sec_id=16):

It IS allowed to create mods for games published by GSC as long as it's non-commercial.
Although GSC still owns all rights to the content they "provide", the modder owns all rights to the content he creates.

It doesn't say anything about using assets in other games than GSC stuff, except that you need permission from other devs to use their content. Which I would say is the same the other way around (since GSC owns all rights, you can't use it unless you have permission).

stiff jasper
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thanks for that

spark bay
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I remember seeing GSC official statement too somewhere back in the day but that is not in the web anymore as far as I can find
Why not contact them directly? Would clear things up once and for all

faint nacelle
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well anyone making a stalker mod should contact them indeed

spark bay
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Yep, true.

soft egret
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Well just ask any of the Arma 3 Stalker mod makers. They have asked for permission so they'll know

atomic edge
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Try to contact romzet#2428, he should be able to answer your questions (this is the person behind the ArmSTALKER mod)

wary hollow
soft egret
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Yes

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the same ripped stuff that got DMCA'ed about a dozen times in the las two weeks.
I think @echo orchid is keeping track

echo orchid
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pretty much same thing

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will check when i have the time

carmine folio
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DMCA has been placed from my end

soft egret
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🙄

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these guys again

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they were monetization approved which is what they mean by that

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but they were reported and lost their monetization permission

carmine folio
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it's semi personal to me

soft egret
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

carmine folio
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tru ¯_(ツ)_/¯ moment

past zephyr
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Hi does anyone know if the wallpapers on the official Arma 3 website are protected by license, or if you can edit and publish them, or parts of the Wallpaper? Free and Non-commercially of course. (https://arma3.com/media/wallpapers)

soft egret
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doesn't say at bottom of page?

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Nillers will know, but its weekend now

carmine folio
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361609071984710/20210205222418_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361644543737867/20210205222531_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361647395340308/20210205222531_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361651782844416/20210205222438_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361608006893588/20210205222338_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361605489655858/20210205222258_1.jpg?width=832&height=468
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513387466519216139/807361603631579146/20210205222240_1.jpg?width=832&height=468

stuff they oinked from several mods(mostly mine)

twilit pilot
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Found this through an OPTRE community. Anyone mind checking it out?

vivid scarab
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SWOP is pretty well known at this point as an IP violation.

lunar coral
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Why dont they take it down?

rustic copper
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Because Disney Lawyers usually have better things do than trying to scare little kids who think they can rip everything...

hollow rain
past zephyr
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Thanks

lapis dagger
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Hey

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I have a question, ARMA 3 cinematics having ads?

manic laurel
lapis dagger
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Isn’t that considered against monetization policies w some mods

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Or do they specifically mean just in game monteization, such as making people pay for the models and such

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@manic laurel sorry let me rephrase that, is it okay to use mods in a video that has ads in complicance w Bohemia’s rules?

faint nacelle
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you mean like youtube videos

lapis dagger
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Yes

faint nacelle
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if you use mods that prohibit commercial use you probably would need to get permission

lapis dagger
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Hm alright

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But I guess most of the time it’s not too big of a deal?

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Just from the look from YouTube lol I’m just guessing

rustic copper
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If you would read the stuff correctly, it also tells you it's fine to Stream or publish gameplay from Arma 3, as long as you put in some text in the description 🤷‍♂️

lapis dagger
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@rustic copper there’s a difference between publishing and monetizing the published content though

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Atleast the way I read it, but I could be wrong

rustic copper
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monetizing = people have to pay to get access, not to make money by giving something for free

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otherwise donations for mods for example would also not be allowed

lapis dagger
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Ah

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So patreon and YT ads are fine then?

rustic copper
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You are allowed to put footage (screenshots and videos) of our games on websites (such as YouTube). You are only allowed to make money (e.g. advertisement revenues) from it if you add your own content to it that would be a sufficient amount of additional work/content to justify it.

lapis dagger
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Ah thanks

rustic copper
lapis dagger
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Sorry didn’t mean to come acrossed as arrogant

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Appreciate the help

teal vortex
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Pretty sure it is not allowed to pay people to play in your community right?

manic laurel
rare sequoia
manic laurel
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they are doing an illegal activity by providing a way to breach EULA and inciting people doing it

rare sequoia
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oh, are players still allowed to post videos from BiA operations?

manic laurel
carmine folio
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i cant even send a pic here to show

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some of them are still doing it

rapid cypress
manic laurel
rapid cypress
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Oki, I'll report it if I see it again

chilly silo
rustic copper
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Of course; it only applies to content from BI. Mods may or may not have different rules/guidelines

chilly silo
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I just thought it needed clarifying as what you wrote was open to interpretation.

royal charm
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lol what, there are units that pay members to play with them? that's wild

scarlet patrol
vocal gyro
rapid cypress
scarlet patrol
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just so we're clear @vocal gyro
its not allowed

rapid cypress
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^

manic laurel
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^

rapid cypress
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also I remember hearing that they its pretty much just a scam and they dont actually pay

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or atleast not on time nor fully

vocal gyro
carmine folio
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Bia does pay bro

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But the HQ is really toxic

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I got banned for "bad comments" which were asking why my friend got banned

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And the players and whole command structure is mediocre at best

blazing crater
hollow rain
low pebble
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a quick search leads me to several of their video's in this discord. Seems the guy who posts them is also still in here.

primal crown
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Just in case anyone looks at this and still thinks BIA is a good thing to join: Please god do not join BIA

sweet cradle
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^^ agreed

rare sequoia
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You will regret it. Trust me....

earnest mirage
rustic copper
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a unit you shouldn't join

sweet cradle
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@earnest mirage a community that breaks BI EULA do not join

earnest mirage
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Okay thanks

vocal gyro
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If it breaks the eula why does it still exist and was featured on the community radar

scarlet patrol
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it was removed from the community radar for that exact reason

vocal gyro
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I see, so what's the full story behind those guys? I'm curious

scarlet patrol
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they solicit people to break the EULA to keep alive their ridicolously toxic group, so members suffer all sort of abuse but stay because of the money without even knowing they're breaking said eulas and maybe even some tax law, depends on the country

vocal gyro
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So fun times XD

sweet cradle
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@vocal gyro yeah I was so I know more about BIA than most and what goes behind the scenes

vocal gyro
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I see I see

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We nearly hit that guy with a dmca

scarlet patrol
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the new one?

vocal gyro
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Yes, he copy pasted our entire unit and slapped a new name on it, including all documents and most artworks, some still had our name written on it XD. We eventually resolved it with the other leadership and I think the guy itself left to join bia

scarlet patrol
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lmao

sweet cradle
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What was your unit you can dm me the name to not make it unit promotion

vocal gyro
sweet cradle
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Just curious

vocal gyro
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Rsf, you tried to get us into bia at one point

blazing crater
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Also , i've researched about BiA , and they're on ESM Team List

So let's point that like this
BiA is violating BI EULA , they're banned from advertising on Arma Discord
But they're still allowed to participate in ESM(Which is only Game Sports that is based on Arma 3 as i know)[https://imgur.com/a/86R64E8]

What a mess

sweet cradle
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you beat me to it

rustic copper
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ESM and BI have nothing to do with each other 🤷‍♂️
You could report them to ESM, but I doubt they'll care too much...

carmine folio
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Yeah but then ESM is promoting teams in breach of the arma eula

sweet cradle
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pretty sure ESM has to comply with BI eula?

carmine folio
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Yeah well everything has to do that lol

blazing crater
rustic copper
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difference is that ESL is a multi million company, ESM... not so much

blazing crater
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And how that matters?

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That doesnt change anything

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It's still same thing

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Just value is different

sweet cradle
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the main concern i have is that ESM is giving BIA a platform essentially to encite others in breaking the eula they themselves are pretty much promoting BIA

rustic copper
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If ESL would allow that, all teams would leave and they lose money (plus have some pretty angry publishers in their neck).
ESM does not have the same risks if they would ignore this.

That said; if they want to be taken serious than they should take action. Which only works if someone reports them 🤷‍♂️

scarlet patrol
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having good relations with BI should be enough of a concern

rustic copper
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BIA also doesn't care 🤣 and they're still rocking...

blazing crater
sweet cradle
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BIA doesnt care??? they are legit threatening ex members to stop reporting them to BI

rustic copper
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Don't get me wrong... I want to see them fall as well, but we know that a lot of people simply don't care and if ESM doesn't there's nothing we can do about it

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They don't care about breaking rules/laws/etc.

sweet cradle
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not the mentality to have if you want to see them fall

rustic copper
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it's not my job to take away their licences and send lawyers to them

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and as I said; easiest thing you can do is report them at ESM and let them handle it.

scarlet patrol
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they're consistently paying people with no contract and sometimes even underaged ones
I'd be concerned if I was BI legal team

sweet cradle
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and keeping information on there staff without there permission

blazing crater
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"They dont care"
That's not problem
The problem is if Bi or ESM doesn't care

rustic copper
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which we'll never know if no one reports them to ESM 🤷‍♂️

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BI knows about them and I'm sure their legal team has already discussed them (and perhaps even taken actions we don't know about)

sweet cradle
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no legal action was taking i would know

blazing crater
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They wouldnt be banned here if there was some legal action

scarlet patrol
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they've been up for about a year I doubt anything happened

blazing crater
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@soft egret @austere ibex

low pebble
wheat belfry
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lol

static quarry
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I was also once there a long time ago, but its funny to see someone like @sweet cradle pull a 180 so quickly once he leaves/gets kicked

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After knowingly taking probably thousands of euros xD

sweet cradle
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2 sides to every story i believe

static quarry
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This is the wrong chat for this I believe

austere ibex
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@blazing crater @sweet cradle @carmine folio @rustic copper
Hello all.
Sorry to be disturbing your "ESM should" party.

  1. We ESM are not "promoting" anyone else than ourselves.

  2. We ESM are not responsible for others actions. We have rules but what teams do outside of ESM is not our responsibility.

  3. BiA has been reported to us by the one dude that is an accomplice of their actions and who started this shit, so we have no concern in taking any actions.

  4. We trust BI and their legal department to enforce their EULA. We trust BI to take the necessary actions to enforce their own rules as we do with ours.

  5. We have not been in contact with BI regarding the accusations pending (even Dedmen which is currently active in our Discord has not yet pinged me) but if we should be in the future, we will take decisions accordingly.

  6. BiA has not been reported by any of the other active teams of our upcoming tournament so we have no reason to do anything.

Please enjoy your day. Get some fresh air.

Cc. @night spoke

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Please note that I am talking on behalf of ESM organisation. My personal feelings do not interfere in these statements

scarlet patrol
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just because you're not sharing them on twitter it doesn't mean you're not promoting them
keeping them on the ESM means that on some extent
you're ok with what they do.
also what does point 3 even mean?

spare osprey
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I wish I could get paid for all the server admin stuff I do

For the h-60 project I we put in about $1000 of free man hours in one day ; so far we believe the h-60 has around $70k of donated development time put into it. It’s crazy to think about that.

soft egret
soft egret
soft egret
carmine folio
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How do you delineate between 'cash in hand' payment and donations? Seems like everyone has their own opinion and I can't find anything official (not personally looking at donations so I haven't dug that far)

fluid elbow
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@carmine folio

Donations are not a must

Payments to allow to use/get the content or access to a server is not allowed.

Its just like, if you respect the work a mod team did you can donate them

Not allowed is to pay for use of content

austere ibex
spare osprey
# soft egret Make a patreon or something else where players can donate to thank you. Getting ...

good Point I have a papal for unit members to donate to for the monthly server box cost, not that it covers it all I still Pay out of pocket. I just started streaming too, but I'm not sure twitch is the best platform for Arma modding, I might switch to you-tube and make some basic videos on how to set up yor Pdrive maybe how to use TFAR, I might as use my instructor ability for something

mortal needle
carmine folio
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Ahh okay, thanks all ^^

soft egret
manic laurel
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payment through Domino's, PayzzaPal

gray saffron
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I see a unused opportunities

sweet cradle
rapid cypress
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[insert indian voice here]

crystal talon
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Unit breaking Arma EULA

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Nah they're a pretty unique case

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regarding monetisation and participating in E-sports.

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not the usual ripped mods or such

faint nacelle
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no

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they are commercializing the game with their members

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eh?

crystal talon
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meme speech

rapid cypress
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If you know more units that do this, please do report them to BI 👀

snow bloom
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Lmao BIA is still being brought up here?

spark bay
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Yes, right now

scarlet patrol
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they've kept going for a year or so

carmine folio
gritty fractal
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the BIA thing came up sometime last year and then it went quiet

scarlet patrol
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there is nothing else we can do about them, the rest is up to BI legal

gritty fractal
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I hope so, place not only breaks EULA and does not tries to hide it but also is a extremely toxic environment, hope something gets done this time

carmine folio
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Pretty much, glad everyone agrees on that topic

carmine folio
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considering the current job market I'd be genuinely surprised if they could be more toxic than some of the jobs left out there

manic laurel
scarlet patrol
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jobs can be as crappy as they want, but as least they're regulated

rapid cypress
scarlet patrol
#

can't blame them for not thinking about people turning units into a job

rapid cypress
#

blobdoggoshruggoogly its been reported to them though, so

scarlet patrol
#

reported is only half the deal

rapid cypress
#

Yeah the other half is for them to act, or?

scarlet patrol
#

yeah but its been a year or so
are legal procedures that long?

rapid cypress
rustic copper
# scarlet patrol yeah but its been a year or so are legal procedures that long?
  1. I'm pretty sure that BI will keep it behind the curtains, to prevent any drama from any side.
  2. Yes, legal procedures can take a very long time (up to many years), not to mention about different courts in different countries.
  3. The only thing "we" have seen are reports of "they do something bad...", which is far from enough for any legal action. So I hope that BI has received more and better information, otherwise nothing can be done.
soft egret
#

Something was done last year.
BiA was told that its illegal. They said they didn't know and that they'll stop doing it now that they know.
Then it went quiet. And recently 1-2 months ago the reports came back up that they are still doing it.

delicate hamlet
#

hey, what was the tool for snooping into workshop mods?

I suspect repacking from a life server 😄

scarlet patrol
#

workshop crawler
not sure if it still works

delicate hamlet
#

thanks Sanchez, gonna have to give it a look for this particular rp serv

rapid cypress
delicate hamlet
#

so, this mod looks to be repacking 1/3 of its content from other places, Idk if this is particularily punishable. I put my sights on it since the owner basically was demanding our content to be added to this, but of course didn't agree nor gave him any files (a mod based in mexican army equipment that is not currently released).

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2391125673

Particular cases of repacking include:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=823636749 MLO Content
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1456022305 MLO content 2
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1452762519 MLO Content 3
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=756347016 Entire Civil aviation content
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2291129343 Improved Melee System
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1981508580 Niarms Content from another repack
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=940841212 Urikis assets
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1931609642 Cup, ace, and other notbale assets repackings

  • many other things from repacks that repack repacked stuff
heavy nacelle
#

@crystal talon Cup stuff ^

scarlet patrol
#

cup stuff is always a maybe due to the A2 stuff they use

manic laurel
scarlet patrol
#

?

heavy nacelle
#

Still their work, even if the 3d models are a2. The textures, configs etc are still CUP's.

crystal talon
#

A2 stuff outside of terrains is licensed under APL

scarlet patrol
#

yeah but the workshop crawler doesnt know that
so if he sees A2_big_tree.p3d he'll trace it back to cup

crystal talon
#

Which allows us to then license our modified versions under CUP-L

#

Terrains generally require either looking for our in-house models, or digging through the configs

scarlet patrol
#

just to be clear I'm not saying cup stole assets from a2 lmao

crystal talon
#

More often than not stuff still uses CUP classnames, making it pretty easy.

heavy nacelle
#

Thats how I read it anyway

dull moon
#

"remove cup from your modpack"
"i didin't put any cup stuff in it"
"cool, but what do all the PBOs with the CUP prefix in there"
"idk, this is the pack i bought from a (sketchy) dude"

scarlet patrol
#

I though it was due to the APL
if they actually took the stuff from the source data (which they never do because its easier to steal from cup) it should be fine even if the crawler flags it as cup

#

unless cup renamed their stuff with cup prefixes

crystal talon
#

I'll probably do another sweep of the workshop soon

delicate hamlet
#

there is a lot of trash repacking there, just another life rp modpack I guess 🤷‍♂️

fervent anchor
#

The owner is also blackmailing people who are trying to sue him(ex members)

golden pulsar
#

Hi, not sure if this is the correct channel for this, as I think it's more of a topic on ethicacy than it is legal. I've been building a small Irish town, and currently have ported over some of Bushlurker's Carraigdubh assets. Obviously if I was to use someone's assets I would get full permission, but unfortunately in this case it isn't possible. Was wondering if publishing something with these assets inside a terrain would be frowned upon by the community.

dull moon
#

@golden pulsar
I think @hasty scaffold was one of the closest to bushlurker. As him for advice

faint nacelle
#

Well there is the legal stand point too. You are not the author/Ip owner of the assets.

echo orchid
#

it’s both illegal and frowned upon

golden pulsar
#

Understood, thanks guys

carmine folio
#

if im correct the only thing in question to this would be ethics

scarlet patrol
#

ethics and actual laws

carmine folio
#

what law though?

#

i mean if the stuff was copyrighted then yes but i think that was done

dull moon
#

if no license is given, the most strict license applies

scarlet patrol
#

IP are protected by copyright unless specified otherwise
not the opposite

dull moon
#

so ND NC no share, no copy, ect

carmine folio
#

fair enough

echo orchid
# carmine folio illegal?

does anyone besides bushlurker (RIP) owns any of his work? none does afaik. hence it is 100% illegal to work with someone elses stuff, and i am not even talking about steam terms of service here

carmine folio
#

nah i was just unaware that if there was no licence it falls under arma 3 EULA

#

tis all

#

im only slightly familiar with copyright

scarlet patrol
#

it feels like a disrespectful question to make
but the copyright for his stuff should last 70 years right?

manic laurel
#

but, yeah, it's a bit grim topic.

soft egret
#

The Arma 3 EULA is completely unrelated

sleek remnant
dull moon
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

faint nacelle
#

can also flag it to be marked as incompatible

carmine folio
#

are servers just allowed to rip a good amount of assets from other games such as GTA and monetise?

soft egret
#

obviously not

carmine folio
#

i mean im sure you know what server im about to say it is

#

and im sure there has been many emails about them

#

ill send one however

#

what info would i need?

carmine folio
soft egret
#

yes as much info as possible

carmine folio
#

alrighty

rustic copper
tulip nexus
#

Also a fair amount of the content is stuff based on content ripped from other games and other community mods

#

@soft egret might want to have a look, and probably will find the source of those uniforms he banned the guy from #screenshots_arma this morning

faint nacelle
#

Why cant people just do the right thing...

jagged tide
#

That would require common sense...

faint nacelle
#

still gonna share it

#

💩

edgy coralBOT
#

*PewPewPew!!*
RIP @rough mortar

manic laurel
#

that should do.

faint nacelle
#

heh man, the dude even titles himself as content creator

dull moon
#

🤣

soft egret
#

@rustic copper did you keep link to his steam profile? I'm sure he'll reupload soon

rustic copper
#

🤦‍♂️ forgot

#

Didn't expect him to actually remove/hide it

jagged tide
manic laurel
pliant oar
#

rejoice ... the era of repeated violations at SW w/o consequences is over

faint nacelle
#

🌞

rapid cypress
rare sequoia
#

So did anything happen with BiA or did it just hit a dead end?

manic laurel
paper prawn
#

Well KA Weapons is gone...

scarlet patrol
#

did something happen?

manic laurel
#

New powers unlocked

soft egret
#

The railguns were loaded

paper prawn
#

See Dwardens message above. Hopefully it goes for the DZSA SW too

scarlet patrol
#

my questions were about just that
just a general ban of sw stuff on the workshop or was legal action taken?

manic laurel
#

moar intel soon\™

tulip nexus
paper prawn
#

Good

carmine folio
#

So it's about people uploading other people's mods on the workshop, yeh?

faint nacelle
#

yes

carmine folio
#

Thank god that the hammer is dropping on that.

faint nacelle
#

It now bears consequences

carmine folio
#

Like I recently got into doing textures and I just know how much I'd hate if someone ripped my work and reuploaded it as theirs.

broken hornet
#

im guessing there is now a way to prevent after repeated violations or something?

manic laurel
#

oh the nickname's irony

broken hornet
#

ey I never uploaded any Star Wars stuff

earnest mirage
#

jedi only works on OPTRE stuff iirc

manic laurel
broken hornet
#

I know haha

rapid cypress
manic laurel
#

soon\™ as well! 😄

paper prawn
#

ARMA 3 CSLA soon or ARMA 4 soon?

sinful geode
#

It'll be a Boheminute or two

scarlet patrol
#

not even gonna hope for it but a little sidenote about bia stuff would be cool
but thats just my rants
not really relevant to the subject

flat crypt
paper prawn
scarlet patrol
#

where would they have taken it from? is it the cup ship?

paper prawn
#

No... they got it and the FSF from Armaholic. The FSF was taken down

#

And they claim that the original authors didn't make them 🤦

scarlet patrol
#

oh god its the presidential guys
oh no I'm out
those guys are on another level of derangedness

paper prawn
#

Yeah, the President has changed his Steam name... at least he's come out as a ...

scarlet patrol
#

oh god

faint nacelle
#

oh my god that guy really stepped it up

#

@pliant oar those guys definitely belong to your list

manic laurel
#

(and flagged ofc)

paper prawn
#

And LOL... They removed your comment saying "This is not a reupload. It is a 100% original creation by the White House Team." So I responded, "Then why do you keep removing the links to the Armaholic page with the mod you stole?"

manic laurel
#

just saw that yeah 😄

pliant oar
#

@paper prawn gone

manic laurel
#

"splash, out"

#

kill confirmed - this railgun has an immediate effect!

low pebble
#

Damn new railguns are effective 👀

manic laurel
#

fresh new, bought @ ACME

paper prawn
#

Thanks Dwarden! 🙂

burnt oak
#

oh ho do i see someone assuming direct control

paper prawn
#

A bright new age indeed!

gray siren
#

why you all so happy stuff is getting removed with out cause. This is not what you call fair or free. There needs to be due process. I mean i don't mind people that steal stuff get punished but no due process, i mean what was wrong with the old system. All so this wont really stop these mods being made or used.

tulip nexus
#

There's plenty of cause to remove it

dull moon
#

the issue with the old system was, not having the tools to enforce the law as it should be

gray siren
#

star wars is not even on the work shop

dull moon
#

good

#

as it should be

gray siren
#

the star sims groups all have local back ups

#

so what is the point

dull moon
#

so?

#

law and order on official platforms. that's the point

#

what the do on their harware / platforms does not concern us

gray siren
#

i mean is arma 3 sever brower not a official platform

vivid scarab
#

If people can't be trusted to follow Bohemia, Steam's or various rights holders EULs/T&Cs then they'll be rightfully fragged.

scarlet patrol
#

couldn't browse or download mods from the browser last time I checked

gray siren
#

You kind of need the browser to play with these "ilegal assets"

dull moon
#

this discussion as been going in circles for ages now. BI and the legit community where fighting an uphill battle. now BI and the legit and law abiding community has the "high ground" (pun intended)
this discussion can stop now

gray siren
#

All so where does it stop, star wars is gone but what about war hamer. what if Colt gets unhappy with NI arms using Colt M4s extra extra.

carmine folio
#

War hammer is fine?

vivid scarab
#

The IP thread has already covered Warhammer.

dull moon
vivid scarab
#

As for real world equipment that's in a constant state of flux - it's tolerated within reason.

scarlet patrol
#

at this point you're arguing the entire concept of IP laws
which I doubt is an argument that'll go anywere

dull moon
#

(for those who don't want to read)

gray siren
#

so what did star wars do wrong then. All so what did KA wepons do wrong. KA all ways just seemed like dumb guns

dull moon
primal crown
#

Oh yeah why was KA removed? Heard it was yoted

dull moon
#

read above

primal crown
#

What laws was it in violation of?

dull moon
#

common IP and copyright laws

primal crown
#

Yeah im asking what ones, given that the weapons in it are in many other mods

scarlet patrol
#

I remember the guys at radio arma were fine with screenshots with stolen stuff
kinda weird of them to make an episode about IP laws

dull moon
#

and no, i'm not holding an hours long monologue about laws now

gray siren
#

They must not be that common then

#

i mean IP laws them self are problamatic

ivory juniper
#

If it's yeeted off the workshop, how does that affect downloads of the mod? Do they just stay and work as usual or what?

scarlet patrol
#

steam should unistall them by itself iirc

gray siren
#

it does not effect any thing

dull moon
#

@chilly silo mind posting your site about the laws and rights? can't seem to find it

dusk vortex
#

Steam will delete things as "updates" but local installs are gonna remain.

ivory juniper
gray siren
#

steam can not actually remove the mod from your pc. So your steam installs are still there

#

you just got to know where to look

chilly silo
dull moon
#

perfect, thanks

primal crown
#

So no answer on KA then?

ivory juniper
dull moon
#

KA: ripped content from other mods / games

gray siren
#

all so what IP laws are we following

primal crown
#

Ah alrighty thanks

chilly silo
gray siren
#

nope

chilly silo
#

yup

paper prawn
#

Steam doesn't actually do that though RKSL

gray siren
#

i have a bunch of steam mods yeeted by DMCAS

faint nacelle
#

you should delete them

dull moon
gray siren
#

steam does not have the legal right to access my files

paper prawn
#

Didn't say that they couldn't. They probably should

chilly silo
#

Its deleted the mods that i DMCA'd that i was subscribed to

gray siren
#

@faint nacelle why they not vilotaing my countries IP laws

sinful pivot
paper prawn
#

At least at the end of a DCMA process... not before the end of it

#

Because there are false DCMAs

faint nacelle
#

because its proper morally right thing to do to support the real makers of things and not thieves

chilly silo
ivory juniper
# chilly silo Its deleted the mods that i DMCA'd that i was subscribed to

Valve will no longer have the right to use, distribute, transmit, communicate, publicly display or publicly perform the Workshop Contribution, except that (a) Valve may continue to exercise these rights for any Workshop Contribution that is accepted for distribution in-game or distributed in a manner that allows it to be used in-game, and (b) your removal will not affect the rights of any Subscriber who has already obtained access to a copy of the Workshop Contribution.

Seems like it won't affect subscribers

paper prawn
#

Ah, maybe they unlink when DCMA-ed and remove when the process is completed then @chilly silo

chilly silo
#

nah gone from my pc

hallow idol
#

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\107410

gray siren
#

you just not looking hard enough

chilly silo
#

if the content is illegally uploaded and steam remove it from their servers they should be removing it from clients.

hallow idol
#

KA Weapons still there, but not in
A:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\!Workshop

#

That is the difference

#

Just because it doesn't show up in the launcher doesn't mean it's not on your PC

paper prawn
#

It's also irrelevent. The important thing is that they're gone from the Workshop

gray siren
#

all as for why i dont deleat it. because it is a pain in the ass to deleat them and find them

hallow idol
#

Not arguing for or against laws and shit, just stating that the mod isn't actually deleted

gray siren
#

i have a lot of games and lot mods

jagged tide
#

Steam has never been too stable when it comes to removing mods I've unsubbed to either tbh... Good habbit to clean up the folders once in a while.

dull moon
#

why are you even arguing about stuff being deleted on your drive or not?
that's not the point
the point is, scumbags are now getting banned from uploading. permanently

paper prawn
#

Either way, the good news is that Bohemia's deploying the new railgun tank 🙂

vivid scarab
#

I prefer to think of it as Miller's being let loose upon the Workshop.

dusk vortex
#

It's fantastic.

paper prawn
#

And points to a brighter modding future too

#

So timely in a way

gray siren
#

some times a mod gets DMCAD because of the smallest things. Some times there is not even a just cause for a DMCA and thats why this worries me. i dont care for star wars armar or KA. But this could lead to legit mods getting snipped because of BS

paper prawn
#

That I doubt

chilly silo
#

Only the IP owner can DMCA something so odds are its a good reason.

paper prawn
#

Bohemia also has legal responsibilities themselves

chilly silo
dull moon
gray siren
#

I can file a DMCA

paper prawn
#

I was assuming he was talking about Dwarden's rail gun not a DCMA @chilly silo

dull moon
gray siren
#

not hard to fake a DMCA if you want to hurt some one

faint nacelle
#

that is illegal btw

chilly silo
#

you can but if you arent the legal owner of the content you are committing perjury.

scarlet patrol
#

you will be legally accountable for that

vivid scarab
#

There are better hills to die on.

dull moon
paper prawn
#

I've seen fake DCMAs... someone did it to RHS recently... Mod was back on the w/s within hours

gray siren
#

@faint nacelle yes but you know some people dont care

scarlet patrol
#

they don't care and pay the consequences

gray siren
#

pay how

#

loosing a smurf ID

dull moon
#

getting banned

faint nacelle
#

are you asking because you are going to do so?

scarlet patrol
#

I don't get how hard could it be to follow IP laws
its not like people do it by mistake

faint nacelle
#

why are you so adamant in defending the people doing the wrong things?

dull moon
#

faking a DMCA is considered a felony in many countries

gray siren
#

@faint nacelle why would i ask here. I have freinds IRL in computer securty i would ask. I am worried because i know a person who luanches a fake DMCA risks and looses nothing.

dull moon
#

this includes impersonating a person / organisation

#

that is required to file a fake DMCA

gray siren
#

DMCA is american only

dull moon
#

no

#

the EU has the same under a different name

#

so do other countries

#

DMCA is just the most known term

chilly silo
#

EU = Article 14

gray siren
#

DMCA is ignored in neatherlands and russia

dull moon
#

no

chilly silo
#

Same function as DMCA

dull moon
#

NL = EU

gray siren
#

i know the law here

paper prawn
#

Odd that this thread suddenly got active after the Littoral Combat Ship mod was nuked...

gray siren
#

artical 14 not in effect

dull moon
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

chilly silo
#

lol Netherlands are a signatory. They enforce all the EU IP laws

ivory juniper
#

Didn't even know there was a LCS mod tbh

jagged tide
gray siren
#

artical 14 has not taken effect yet

manic laurel
#

anyway, still illegal by Steam rules. so end it right here

chilly silo
#

Went active June 19

spark bay
#

Guys

#

This is off topic

gray siren
#

but again russia does not care about DMCA and thats where all the big modders are and where a fake DMCA would come from

spark bay
faint nacelle
#

*thieves

#

not modders

chilly silo
faint nacelle
#

modders make stuff

chilly silo
#

i'm out 😛

dull moon
#

well, 🦆 that nonsense policy discussion
we and BI are acting in regulation of given laws and orders, and denying those facts won't stop it. i'm out

gray siren
#

@faint nacelle yes RHS steal stuff

chilly silo
#

LMAO

spark bay
#

oh boy

manic laurel
#

correct, only my hammer stays 🔨 @dull moon

dull moon
#

damn brah 😄

manic laurel
paper prawn
#

Later guys. A happy day nevertheless! 🙂

faint nacelle
wary hollow
#

🍿

leaden adder
#

that took an unexpected turn

gray siren
#

i was responding to some one that says russian modders are thieves

manic laurel
#

and accuse RHS of being one

gray siren
#

no

#

i know russian modders dont steal

faint nacelle
#

no not all of them

vivid scarab
#

Bit of a sweeping statement.

manic laurel
gray siren
#

i was point out a logical phalacy

faint nacelle
#

but the ones that were in question in this conversation

leaden adder
#

*fallacy

#

hmm that may be wrong too

gray siren
#

i am not native english

jagged tide
#

Nobody here is worried about the people that don't steal...

leaden adder
#

phallacy is a little phallic for my delicate sensibilities

manic laurel
#

PSA:

ok, here is not the place. so STOP and eventually go to #other_ip_topics - and be veeery careful what you say 👀

gray siren
#

thats is my point

tulip nexus
#

Less than half of the RHS team is Russian anyway

leaden adder
dusk vortex
wary hollow
#

Or any other Star Wars Mod smugfox

gray siren
#

as long as they did not steal stuff why imperial should be fine

wary hollow
#

iirc disney doesn't allow the use of their IP at all (but I do not know)

gray siren
#

what, there are plenty of star wars mods on steam for other games

leaden adder
#

According to the disclaimer on the page Milton linked, they are within Disney's IP use EULA as it is nonprofit

carmine folio
#

Read channel description, the mod has asked you to stop discussing it...

#

Recommend the mods put a timer on this channel

manic laurel
#

Again, many wrongs don't make a right.

also, keep in mind the channel's topic ^

gray siren
#

i mean we are disccusing if a mod viloated a IP

manic laurel
#

not the place

#

also, I am tired of seeing the same and same arguments here.

Intellectual property used without owner's consent = theft = illegal, period. Star Wars mods don't have Disney's explicit permission, and Disney does not give a global permission and is very defensive on their IP. So AFAIK, Star Wars mods (stolen content or not) are illegal, period.

dusk vortex
#

And that's what I was making sure of. To the eternal void I now go.

manic laurel
#

no problem with asking and clearing things up; big problems with claiming false intel such as some did in the past (and were booted for)

we try to be civilised and law-abiding at the same time

manic laurel
spark bay
#

Yeah, that mod posted ealier even says it's a reupload and was taken down ealier

leaden adder
#

what's Kripto done before?

paper prawn
manic laurel
midnight crystal
uneven roost
#

winds of change

#

so, let me see if i got it right, mods who showcase brands and stuff, if they dont have the permition of said brands to use their image, can be removed from the workshop and the uploaders permanently banned?

spark bay
#

Only if it happens multiple times.

manic laurel
uneven roost
#

thats quite a situation, state owned brands also apply for that?

#

or brands that dont exist anymore

manic laurel
#

good question; given Steam is a US company the US law should apply. what about dead-and-not-bought-later companies, is it immediately in public domain? IDK

uneven roost
#

any post by bohemia where i can fully read about their policy regarding that and adequate the project im working on?

manic laurel
uneven roost
#

i work on the brazilian army mod, and we have vehicles from the company engesa, who went bank rupt in the 90s

gray siren
#

czech law or US law or both

wary hollow
gray siren
#

it can have it's own as long as it complies with EU

faint nacelle
#

@uneven roost saffest bet is to not use any company names or logos

#

invent your own

gray siren
#

that is why i asked about Ni arms with all there fire arms company names

soft egret
gray siren
#

@soft egret right now yes but abuse is what i fear

#

right now star wars, KA and arma life stuff seem most at risk

#

witch does not bother me

#

i am just concerned about abuse of laws

soft egret
soft egret
gray siren
#

@soft egret making some thing illegal does not mean people dont do it. More so since there is no real risk.

broken hornet
#

if you receive a false DMCA it doesn’t mean you immediately get you stuff taken off

#

Steam gives you adequate time to respond

soft egret
#

I think you didn't realize, but content theft and IP rights violations are not welcome here.
If you awnt to continue stating "but I'll still download and use illegal content, and I also have backups"
and then also throwing false accusations against well respected modders who get THEIR STUFF stolen by others..

gray siren
#

yes but bohimera changed how it works with new "rail gun"@broken hornet

broken hornet
#

That’s not legal action in the sense of the DMCA tho

marsh maple
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Well no one is talking about ripped stuff and assets, but about people making their own assets from scratch, but in some "forbidden" IP

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Stolen and ripped stuff must be dealt with, it's 100%

soft egret
# gray siren <@!90532520101183488> right now yes but abuse is what i fear

I don't think theres anything to fear here. Only repeat offenders are punished.
Noone is getting banned because having done something wrong once.

If you get told you are doing wrong however, and refuse to fix it despite knowing its wrong. And threatening to just find other venues for your illegal content then probably bye bye.

soft egret
marsh maple
#

I missed something, what is that "rail gun"? is it some new addition to the rules?

gray siren
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they yeet the uploader with the mod

marsh maple
#

where can I read about that? is there some article or smth?

hallow idol
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not yet

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The start of this convo

marsh maple
#

Does it mean only bad workshop mods will be immediately dealt with, or servers breaking rules will be too?

spark bay
#

This is about workshop

spiral minnow
#

and what about the thieves that use custom launchers and not the steam workshop ?
Can we do something about it ?

marsh maple
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ehhh probably nothing

gray siren
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nope

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now the real qustion what about conent creators on you tube and twitch

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will arma 3 star sim you tubers be hit

dull moon
gray siren
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a lot of countries dont care

dull moon
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all in the EU do care. also US / CA

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this is where most hosters are located

manic laurel
soft egret
#

My good analogies.
Can you do something about a guy cutting up cute kittens in his cellar? not really, if noone can see or know or proove or check.
Can you do something about a guy doing the same and streaming it on twitch? yes definitely, though probably not in america/russia because laws don't care.

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Will he find other ways to redistribute his kitten slaughter videos? of course yes!
Does the majority of the world tolerate it or think its fine? obviously not

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does it mean that its fine to do just because some countries laws don't care? no.

gray siren
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@manic laurel i come from a county where cops buy boot leg DvDs of movies in front of the cinema said movie is being shown. Again i dont really care about this from a upload point of view. i am not modder. I was looking at it from legal view

manic laurel
spark bay
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@gray siren What exactly is your point?

gray siren
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@soft egret i mean if i follow the law i kill kittens, cut em up and all that.

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@spark bay that cnd letters dont matter

spark bay
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They do.

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Just not in all countries

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But that's how the world works.

gray siren
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that was my point

quasi lake
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The analogy that making a mod that falls under international fair use regulations is equal to distributing grossly offensive animal abuse content is absurd and wouldn't last 5 seconds in a legal discussion.

dull moon
#

why.is.this.still.goiiiiing?

marsh maple
#

Well all this hussle with workshop mods is nothing. BI devs and most people doesn't understand what happens on arma servers and how much money can there be. And if something will be deleted from workshop - can be used as a local mod. When BI will start killing such servers - then problem with IP violations/stealing/ripping will be dealt with at lest someway

faint nacelle
#

simple question @gray siren do you think stealing is right?

quasi lake
#

It's not stealing.

gray siren
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i am not talking about stealing

quasi lake
#

Making a star wars mod under international fair use isn't stealing

spark bay
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Fair use 🤣

faint nacelle
#

there is no international fair use

marsh maple
#

so all of this is pretty much pointless discussions

spiral minnow
faint nacelle
#

@carmine folio in simple terms its stealing

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do you think it is right

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so you support taking stuff someone else makes without permission

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its very simple moral question

quasi lake
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If it falls under fair use, sure

faint nacelle
#

it does not

marsh maple
#

nani

quasi lake
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Here's a question for you, do you like lord of the rings?

gray siren
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all so know i hate thieves. but if some one copies some thing from me i dont care

faint nacelle
#

no Im asking a very simple question

quasi lake
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As am I

marsh maple
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how is making some copy of visual artstyle from some IP from the scratch is stealing?

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copiyng at most

faint nacelle
#

not talking about making something

spark bay
quasi lake
#

Sure you are, they made a mod

marsh maple
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but I don't recall redrawing some painting and giving it away to people being forbidden

quasi lake
#

You're talking about making something

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They made the mod

dull moon
faint nacelle
#

ok so to clarify because you moots clearly dont want to answer simple question

gray siren
#

i mean i said i hate thieves

faint nacelle
#

do you folks support making mods with content that is taken from other games

quasi lake
#

Neither do you

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Do you like lord of the rings

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:)

gray siren
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yes, stalker mods are great

faint nacelle
#

then you guys support IP theft

gray siren
#

nope

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stalker is free use

faint nacelle
#

actually no

gray siren
#

yes

faint nacelle
#

there is no longer official statements available on the matter

vocal patio
marsh maple
#

We all said multiple times that stealing is bad and needs to be killed, but making stuff from the scratch based on some visual style/representation of some IP is not stealing or something bad

faint nacelle
#

there is only a quote by a old forum admin

quasi lake
#

Oh no making mods using star wars is just wrong!

Stealing real world property, design and imagery to use in your mods is totally fine though, obviously.

uneven roost
hallow idol
faint nacelle
#

@carmine folio you have a official infromation about that

gray siren
#

@uneven roost you for got the " " it is "railgun"

quasi lake
#

It's weird that you seem to believe Disney wouldn't have already flattened the practice of making star wars mods under a landslide of court cases if it were at all illegal

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Goodguydisney

marsh maple
#

But I have one question

paper prawn
#

🍿

faint nacelle
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If they tolerate mods that are MADE in SW IP thats all good

soft egret
marsh maple
#

Why no one tried to contact Disney and get their strict answer?

faint nacelle
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but if a mod uses stolen content from other games it is not

quasi lake
#

That's fine, that's why I've switched foot.

marsh maple
#

Why not Bohemia itself if it's such a meaningful matter?

quasi lake
#

It's not stolen though

soft egret
quasi lake
#

If it were, it'd already be gone

marsh maple
#

If everyone got Disney answer "no these mods can't be used"

quasi lake
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Because Disney

faint nacelle
#

no it does not mean anything

marsh maple
#

so much meaningless discussions would be cut

dull moon
#

people... easy thing...
imagine BI says "we do not want to see content with the IP of XY seen used in mods for your games"
WWYD then?? 😉

carmine folio
#

Is this game pointless without dlc?

dull moon
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nothing...

faint nacelle
#

its up to the mod makers to gather that proof

quasi lake
#

It's up to the people trying to take it down actually

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Like, legally speaking

soft egret
gray siren
#

I mean as i said star wars mods i dont care about. but who knows what else will be reomved

spark bay
gray siren
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i mean it still there

soft egret
marsh maple
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@soft egret Then Disney must kill and delete all fanart or fan-fics, right? Why there is no strict answer, what counts as prohibited and what's not?

gray siren
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all so who decides what as the right to exist@spark bay Thats been my argument from the start

soft egret
gray siren
#

if disney wants star wars gone let them reomve it not a 3rd party

quasi lake
#

So why are we not going after the mods that add real world weapons and vehicles, names and designs all?

paper prawn
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Using character names from the movies is a trademark violation btw

quasi lake
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If it's "sTeAlInG" to use a visual style designed by someone else

marsh maple
#

Well, I don't think Disney will ignore Bohemia developer's question, because there is money on the line

gray siren
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so the star gate mod must go@paper prawn ?

paper prawn
quasi lake
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Disney isn't enforcing it either

marsh maple
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I just think no one ever tried to ask them, and BI just doesn't care about that and don't want to deal with it

soft egret
quasi lake
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So why is some tripped out moderator trying to enforce it for the multi billion dollar corporation?

paper prawn
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It is enforcing it enough to allow it to continue to enforce it if they want @quasi lake

marsh maple
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Better to destroy everything it seems

quasi lake
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They aren't though, because if they were it wouldn't still exist on steams workshop

paper prawn
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Because this is a corporate website and Bohemia Interactive are responsible for the content here @quasi lake

soft egret
#

I suggest you watch your language

quasi lake
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Please stop pinging me

paper prawn
#

I was answering your specific questions to me...

quasi lake
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They weren't specific to you lol

gray siren
#

fire arm companiess and wepaons makers care very much about there stuff being used in games. So if star wars is a issue so should every mod that uses real gear

quasi lake
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Yep

paper prawn
#

Anyway, back to eating popcorn, cause this thread will probably end the same way it does time and time again, ad infinitum with no end in sight until the universe dies of heat death

marsh maple
#

@soft egret Can you give some insight or info about this statement? How can it be dealt with?

"If something will be deleted from workshop - can be used as a local mod. When BI will start killing such servers - then problem with IP violations/stealing/ripping will be dealt with at lest someway"

soft egret
paper prawn
#

I mean, you do know that the AKM is the KAM in DayZ now... as are other weapons...

candid bison
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not copyrighted / trademark

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just weird decision

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still AKM in ARMA 3

paper prawn
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AKM is a trademark actually

quasi lake
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Tell you what, if or when the star wars mods get taken down, we can then start pushing these things to real world IP holders for military technology and weapons and get those taken down too. Turn this into a PES situation where everyone is happy.

vivid scarab
#

I believe RKSL posted an article that broke that down in detail earlier - the general gist of it is so long as you aren't using the exact name you should be fine, iirc. Over in #other_ip_topics.

paper prawn
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The AKM trademark was assigned a Serial Number #88516392 – by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). Trademark Serial Number is a unique ID to identify the AKM mark in USPTO. The AKM mark is filed in the category of Construction and Repair Services . The legal correspondent for AKM trademark is ALLAN LITOVSKY, THE LITOVSKY LAW FIRM, 18685 MAIN ST., #101-181 HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA 92648 . The current status of the AKM filing is Abandoned - No Statement of Use filed.

soft egret
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There is a process in game making called "legalization" you either jump through the hoops to get permission. Which for some defunct companies might be very hard or impossible, or you just make sure you have nothing you need to ask for permission.

paper prawn
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Actually abandoned TM that one

gray siren
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@vivid scarab NI arms uses the full name

dull moon
#

just... read... ffs

gray siren
#

wow a wikie not the law

marsh maple
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@soft egret It's not closed servers, they are pretty open and popular, servers with shops, donate-receive systems etc, they are not dealt with for a long time and infringements@bistudio.com is pretty silent and ignoring reports and stuff. And these servers can just upload illegal conent somewhere and use it as Local Mod in Arma Launcher.

spark bay
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@dull moon They won't read 😉

manic laurel
soft egret
manic laurel
half helm
#

I don't think he's talking about Opposition, which we all know is ripped content.

candid bison
# paper prawn AKM is a trademark actually

AKM is military designation from Soviet Union, a country which no longer exists
AFAIK no one has copyright or trademark on that

maybe in Russia, Kalashnikov Concern can get law made for them to retroactively take a trademark or copyright for old generic Western term "AK-47"
of course a country can make any nonsense law and if you want to sell your game in such country you would have to abide by it
wouldn't hold up in EU / US courts

quasi lake
#

Sure it is! Same goes for all the real life content being ripped for mods!

dull moon
vivid scarab
quasi lake
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Hurr durr everyone that disagrees with me is a dummy

soft egret
gray siren
#

@manic laurel i mean i would prefer case law examples since thats what matters

quasi lake
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No, I'm not.

paper prawn
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Also if they read the article on that page they would see a comment from Codemasters from OFP days who said: Some game makers have found ways to include real-life guns in their games while avoiding licensing costs. One ex-Codemasters employee, who asked to remain anonymous, described his experience of working on Operation Flashpoint, a franchise featuring the US Marines. "We didn't license weapons in the Flashpoint series," he says. "We covered ourselves from a legal angle [by not using any] names or manufacturers. The general rule is that you can use the model delineation but you can't use its proper name manufacturer name without prior permission.

quasi lake
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I'm applying the logic people here are sticking to star wars mods to other mods.

dull moon
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@gray siren
case laws are ON THIS page

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

quasi lake
#

I'm doing so in the interest of being fair.

manic laurel
edgy coralBOT
manic laurel
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one down, one/two to go.

soft egret
#

I find it weird that multiple people only joined the discord today. And all they did since joining is trying to defend illegal content.

uneven roost
edgy coralBOT
soft egret
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But thats normal. It happens everytime some big mod, or life server is taken down.
But we didn't have that in a long time

dull moon
#

true...

gray siren
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@dull moon again case law is tough with weapons and miltray gear. look at squad and the humvee

vivid scarab
#

It's been lighting up a few other Discords, so it's not that much of a surprise.

gray siren
#

yeah a lot of random mods yeeted

faint nacelle
#

a lot of mods are gone because their makers have not agreed to the new workshop EULA

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that was happening way before tonight

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thats a Steam thing

vivid scarab
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Speaking of which, I should probably go and sort that out.

paper prawn
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The traffic started very soon after the Littoral Combat Ship mod went dark Dedmen...

jagged tide
#

ofc just a coincidence... 😛

paper prawn
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Ofc

gray siren
#

LCS. ewe

dull moon
#

RKSL Rock from RKSL Studios, one that can be considered an expert in that field

gray siren
#

i read it and wow. That a rather poorly written piece of work. Overly bloated with unneeded humor. All so does not answer why for example a mod like NI arms is not targeted since it uses full names

wheat belfry
#

I mean it could be

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Unless they got permission

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I may be wrong but I think RHS got permission from zenitco

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So have zenitco in their mod

chilly silo
wheat belfry
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But everything else is military designation

gray siren
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yeah RHS is safe

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but NI arms straight up says Colt m4

wheat belfry
#

I mean most companies just won’t enforce it

chilly silo
wheat belfry
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Like you have crye products in mods and they will likely never enforce it

gray siren
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i mean they dont need it they do good work

wheat belfry
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Just depends on the company

gray siren
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all so colt would of caried in the past but these days colt is slav owned

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so who knows

chilly silo
gray siren
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but yeah NI arms does it with a lot of fire arms

chilly silo
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you obviously don't know the history

gray siren
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i was make joke about colt being cz these days, thought you would under stand humour

paper prawn
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Colt is ofc owned by a good Czech company now (pending approvals)

gray siren
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Ni arms is one i bring up due to the wide range of company names used

chilly silo
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@gray siren I'm still waiting for you to explain your qualifications to comment on IP Law?

gray siren
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you never asked

tall oxide
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none of yall is a lawyer so its a pointless discussion

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just fly under the radar, dont get sued, done

gray siren
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and i never said the blog was lie just poorly writen

chilly silo
manic laurel
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@honest blaze no troll or get out 👀

paper prawn
#

And this entire discussion was started because Bohemia, with a legal department started taking action... then a lot of folks came in and started typing... so the lawyer argument is a bit meh

gray siren
#

are you trying to extract personal info from me

manic laurel
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!purgeban @honest blaze 30d lame trolling

edgy coralBOT
chilly silo
paper prawn
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Man... banned for "lame trolling"... that is embarassing

manic laurel
#

Okay I am starting to be slightly tired of seeing all this.

So I kindly invite everyone to let this channel and topic cool down until tomorrow morning, i.e 8h.

gray siren
#

sure bed time for me any case.

paper prawn
#

I'm off to see whether Dedmen has fixed that profile naming bug

chilly silo
manic laurel
#

thanks all; I know we are not all on the same page, but it is important to keep things civil and not turn it into a flood war.

gray siren
#

it 3 am so yeah bed time

dull moon
#

and still you're avoiding to answer is question

manic laurel
dull moon
#

presses pause

tall oxide
#

just put in a slowmode 1h for the channel lol

worn sleet
#

This entire conversation for the past few hours gave me unalive in the brain syndrome

dull moon
manic laurel
#

@low pebble please read above, let's cool down the topic, there has been too much heat recently

mental edge
#

Oh my god I missed out... Of all days notlikemeowcry We got a railgun now? Worth the offtopic post, this is gonna be sweet. 🍿

low pebble
rugged meteor
#

wait so are you guys "railgunning" star wars mods still or is this just a heated gamer moment?

carmine folio
#

As their own

rugged meteor
#

ye, but it started with that dwarden message, and one of the mods linking the empire mod later on

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hopefully they're just doing a funny joke or just going after reuploads and rips, like you said

rapid cypress
#

Its about ip rights violations, including rips/reuploads

rugged meteor
#

so, things like JLTS, 3AS and legion would be safe?

rapid cypress
#

I didnt read the full chat log so not sure what the final opinion about wether star wars stuff was ok or not was

faint nacelle
#

At this point unknown

rugged meteor
#

comforting!

faint nacelle
#

We are not here to comfort you.

rapid cypress
rugged meteor
#

it'd be funny to watch em "railgun" mods thats covered by disneys own EULA

faint nacelle
#

If you are concerned please contact Disney to get clear clarification what they allow

rugged meteor
#

okay, here you go:

faint nacelle
#

So far no one has done that

rugged meteor
#

they're safe, and technically owned by disney

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unless disney says take them down

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remind me, why is BI doing this for disney

faint nacelle
#

Assuming they have no ripped content

rapid cypress
#

blobdoggoshruggoogly pretty sure all of this was already gone over last night, dont see the point in repeating it

faint nacelle
#

Yep.

rugged meteor
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it wasn't really

faint nacelle
#

Are you affiliated with any of the mods or are you just a user?

rugged meteor
#

lou essentially said its all illegal, ripped or not, then didnt explain that, esp when theirs eulas that say otherwise

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I'm just a user, you?

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i take it that blue role has something special

faint nacelle
#

Me too. So we have nothing to talk about here.

rugged meteor
#

ah, yea you could do that

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hopefully BI makes the right call with this

faint nacelle
#

Blue name means I've been around the community long enoughh and contributed to it something meaningful enough to be considered community veteran.

manic laurel
#

I will provide this to the legal department to see if it can bring a policy change; but even if it is legal, if BI says "take it down", it's "take it down"
I will keep you posted.

mental edge
manic laurel
#

one could argue that if you upload it, you are the owner since only the owner can upload it, therefore not Disney, but that's a technicality I think

wary hollow
#

But on the other hand, you are using an IP which owns Disney, which makes it a bit more ehh (I would assume atleast)

faint nacelle
#

Pls sir. If you are here to just troll, don't.

spark bay
#

Read the EULA that was posted ealier, it's explained there

rugged meteor
#

they pulled that card with a yt fan film for a minute to get ad revnue off it

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its a really messed up agreement, but in the end it protects them from...this?

mental edge
#

IP "stuff". Yes that is what this channel is about. I'm out.

wary hollow
rapid cypress
rugged meteor
spark bay
rapid cypress
#

Ah oki

spark bay
#

and according to their EULA, they can do it at any time

rugged meteor
#

also, question lou, why is this happening suddenly? what actually changed for this to occur? why not flag sw mods earlier?

manic laurel
#

look; I will give that to legal department and see what comes out of it - we can wait until then, the building is not on fire

rapid cypress
manic laurel
#

(and the fact that it was illegal for so long does not make it legal, as we all know)

rugged meteor
#

flagged? by whom?

manic laurel
rugged meteor
#

and whos stating its illegal?

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i see

manic laurel
#

assets taken from other games = 200% illegal

rugged meteor
#

yea, i get that

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heres the thing though, earlier yesterday you linked that imperial studios mod to possibly be taken down

carmine folio
#

I'd assume that if you'd make your own assets (models, textures, sounds) it'd be fine?

rugged meteor
#

you know they had that link for that eula... in their mod desc, right?

manic laurel
manic laurel
rugged meteor
#

i... see

rapid cypress
#

cough I still think that this has all been talked about before and discussing it again is a waste of time until the legal department says something

rugged meteor
#

i mean, the eula is apparently new info

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but theirs nothing else to be discussed, yes

rapid cypress
#

not a new contribution

manic laurel
#

other Disney's EULA found on the web also stated that it was 100% forbidden, so either info are not well spread among them or there was a recent change

rugged meteor
#

im not a lawyer but this still feels overextendeding, this is the same world where microsofts GCUR states that its content can't commit crimes against humanity in its protrayals, meaning everytime someone in optre commits a warcrime it's breaking GCUR

manic laurel