#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 59

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:40 PM

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just got banned on their discord after politely asking to remedy it

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hence why i usually just spank instead of wasting my time with asking

soft egret May 19, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Ban evasion, he came here to report others who did nothing wrong for IP rights violations

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:41 PM

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yeah, well aware

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spammed me in PM as well

brisk ember May 19, 2020, 4:42 PM

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is that IIIE vests in the Ares International picture? 🤔

soft egret May 19, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Yes.. it is

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The illegal content that he said others were using, but that he is using himself

stoic beacon May 19, 2020, 4:44 PM

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is there a link somewhere to their discord?

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Can't seem to find on their website nor the patreon page

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Got it, thanks

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 4:45 PM

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It'd be interesting if it was possible for the actual IP holders to claim money from the patreon in cases like this heh

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yes

brisk ember May 19, 2020, 4:47 PM

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@stoic beacon could always contact one of the peeps listed on https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/6651953

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oh wait you can't get their steam profiles through that anymore?

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@stoic beacon let me know how that goes :))

stoic beacon May 19, 2020, 5:01 PM

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@echo orchid "Ill stop monitzing 🙂"

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i am in the process of DMCAimg everything

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from patreon page to discord, trying to find the server host

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 5:21 PM

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server is hosted by https://www.safehosts.co.uk/contact/ if anyone wants to spank further

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heavy moon May 19, 2020, 5:32 PM

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bad photoshop job on the ISO9001 badge, 0/10.

keen trout May 19, 2020, 5:35 PM

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ah, so its that charliee guy

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time to block him then I guess 😛

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 5:41 PM

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he took the patreon done, just after i sent my DMCA notice

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darn

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well, time to spank his server provider.

echo orchid May 19, 2020, 6:46 PM

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server host C&D, patreon page DMCAed, BI legal notified

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@errant phoenix for the SECOND TIME TODAY
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2102236888
This is YET ANOTHER illegal reupload of yours. Take it down immediately!

errant phoenix May 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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@soft egret ACE Exe the one on the steam crashes the client and server

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I literally just explained to you via DM that its illegal

errant phoenix May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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People can't play normally. The only way out is to download the old acer ext

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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now I'm telling you one last time, take it down immediately.

errant phoenix May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I'll write to the author,don't worry

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I just talked to the author

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20 seconds ago

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@errant phoenix whats so hard to understand on "immediately"? I'm still waiting

manic laurel May 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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@errant phoenix
you are about to be banned for not complying.

fossil basalt May 19, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I make the 3rd Moderator to support a complete ban.

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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!ban 305416694824960000 232813604859019265 0 repeated IP rights violations, despite multiple warnings, refusing to take down illegal reuploads, ripping music from star wars movies, illegal reupload of copyrighted music

edgy coralBOT May 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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*fires them railguns at @errant phoenix and @carmine fulcrum* Ò_Ó

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Just typical russian star wars stuff, nothing to see here.. walk along

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two hours repeatedly explaining copyright to him via DM, only ending up in him ignoring everything he was told and just reuploading it again.. yeah no

crystal talon May 19, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Would be nice if one could ban Star Wars stuff from the arma and findaunit subs

soft egret May 19, 2020, 7:49 PM

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reddit is basically not moderated. And also not controlled by BI

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I was about to say that BI should start taking down arma servers that play with illegal stuff, but then i remembered that that didnt work with Anzus aswell and it'd propably fail miserabely on a wider scale

soft egret May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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You'll see someday.

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:01 PM

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heh Dedmen with his wishful thinking

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You know, I'm willing to bet a box of eatable paper (the cheap one I posted a while in the tfar discord though, not the expensive one) that BI will never start effectively taking down Arma 3 servers on a larger scale

fossil basalt May 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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You've not seen the things he can do.

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:04 PM

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hehehe

soft egret May 19, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I already fixed a handful of 4-10 year old issues that noone else fixed so far.. and there are many more on my list. We'll see what the future holds.. in the future.

fossil basalt May 19, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I was just going to mention that

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MS have an award for the oldest "found" bug

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can't remember what its called

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I dont doubt your programming abilities, I doubt your abilities to take over the legal department and to also get BI to start doing that heh

soft egret May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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You don't know the legal department.

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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~~but also expanding mod counter box in the launcher #when~~

fossil basalt May 19, 2020, 8:06 PM

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They can't say no to something they dont know about

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https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

Tenor

rapid cypress May 19, 2020, 8:07 PM

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heh thats true i guess

carmine folio May 19, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I don't know, I have faith in Dedmen, I once came in here fighting an uphill battle and him and the others here took quick and solid action

soft egret May 20, 2020, 10:31 AM

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lol. Ares Internationals "head of recruitment" just messaged me. He says their monetization is valid and doesn't violate rules, with this screenshot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712611923971276841/712612587963023380/unknown.png

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That obviously also justifies ripping, modifying, republishing Arma content... Sure.

fossil basalt May 20, 2020, 10:55 AM

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To clarify, the above is sarcasm

echo orchid May 20, 2020, 11:03 AM

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@soft egret i hope thats a meme

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he isn’t
a. registered
b. permitted by any mods he’s using

soft egret May 20, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Thats really what he sent...

mortal dust May 20, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Is Specialist Military Arms and TRYK IP protected?

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Asking because I spotted a reupload of such on the Workshop along with TFAR

dull moon May 20, 2020, 1:11 PM

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define "protected"

soft egret May 20, 2020, 1:12 PM

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every content you make is copyright protected

vivid wave May 20, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Everyone's contents are their own, and protected, unless they stat to abandon their rights

mortal dust May 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2102901992 This was in question

vivid wave May 20, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Did you confirmed it is?

mortal dust May 20, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I saw the files having Task Force Radio, SMA, and TRYK in it

soft egret May 20, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Yep illegal reupload, I'll add it to my list

carmine folio May 20, 2020, 2:17 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2094908789 Violation of the intellectual property of Disney studios, the Star Wars universe.
Copyright infringement on modifications
@stoic beacon''s ace animations and in Zeus Cache.

soft egret May 20, 2020, 2:24 PM

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kka3, zade boc, diwako anomalies, zeus cache, enhanced movement
again some ripped music
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2096350383 same author
kka3, zade boc, zeus cache, enhanced movement, same music
according to bisigns this one was made by codex (the guy we banned yesterday)

stoic beacon May 20, 2020, 2:27 PM

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I've dealt with the first one, will have a look at the second one now

soft egret May 20, 2020, 2:27 PM

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DMCA'ing both right now

stoic beacon May 20, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Alright, not gonna bother with the second one then 😄

soft egret May 20, 2020, 2:29 PM

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more is always better 🙃

stoic beacon May 20, 2020, 2:31 PM

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true

carmine folio May 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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@soft egret Codex used to work on a project with this modification, but then it was kicked out and re-installed the modification.

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@stoic beacon

soft egret May 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Lol. Ares international owner just joined TFAR discord to ask for help with it.. The guy illegally monetizing many mods including TFAR, and ripping other modders and BI's stuff that was banned on Arma discord by me, literally comes to me asking for help.
These people really are something...

scarlet patrol May 21, 2020, 12:21 PM

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so
weird question
to remove a mod from the workshop that has your content you have to claim it yourself right?
noone can do it for you can it?

manic narwhal May 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Yea, if you don't own it, you can't claim infringment

scarlet patrol May 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

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so.. what if I'm dead?

manic narwhal May 21, 2020, 12:24 PM

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You would have to transfer the copyright in your will to another party

scarlet patrol May 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

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oh I see
not planning anything dangerous, just saw an upload of rura penthe on the workshop

manic narwhal May 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

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example being in our community, bushlurker (although I think he gave rights to another member of the community that was his friend), you can't DMCA one of his maps on steam, only him and people he gave/transfered ownership to can.

rapid cypress May 21, 2020, 6:02 PM

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hehehe Looks like BIA is back at it again with more monetization https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602610392220565505/713085242881081355/Screenshot_20200521-124426.jpg

low pebble May 21, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Always

paper prawn May 21, 2020, 7:09 PM

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LOL... Soviet 3rd Sock Army 🤣

rapid cypress May 21, 2020, 7:22 PM

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heh

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Uniforms are an important part of a fighting army you know

south nimbus May 21, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Hi need little help one the guys has ask me to set up a workshop page for the project and I think iv done it right am not using any mods that are not all ready on the work shop and I think there are no mods in this pack that can not be repacked into this? Am not sure you see as the team I work with I thought was going to use something to host the mod we have permission to use but seem to want to go down this road instead only using mod that we where okay to use and so against my better judgement that I told them I have make said link that they asked for but I am not sure if this is okay can someone look at my link and see if it is ok https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2095555034&savesuccess=1

rustic copper May 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Making collections and sharing HTML presets are the correct way to go. Repacking (meaning: taking the contents of a mod, pack it in a new mod and uploading that to the workshop) is not allowed.

So that page is completely fine (including the link to the armaholic website for mods which are not on the workshop)!

manic lark May 22, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Gmod and VRchat would work the same way if they werent 99% stolen or ported content

scarlet patrol May 22, 2020, 12:42 AM

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holy 🦆 does BIA even try to not have money involved in a game

amber eagle May 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/642757586239881226/713190215308673094/ss_10920108966531994fb07582e70555c771c8237a.1920x1080.jpg

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uh...is this ArmA's ATV?

scarlet patrol May 22, 2020, 12:51 AM

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they removed some pieces but judging by the brake cables its 100% from arma

raw prairie May 22, 2020, 12:54 AM

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What're those hands 😂

faint nacelle May 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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botched work from people who dont quite know what they are doing.

soft egret May 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Please infringements@bistudio.com @amber eagle
I'm never sure if people think just posting stuff here is enough 😄

carmine folio May 22, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Hello.
The team of people who used the mod that I told you about earlier, after blocking it, re-loads it as a local mod and use it to play on the Arma 3 server. Who should I tell in this situation?

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/10_t6UQeKHSyN9Us4uWyFa0_NeeN12cYq/view

rapid cypress May 22, 2020, 12:00 PM

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If they're infringing on your copyright you can DMCA claim that google drive @carmine folio

carmine folio May 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Violation of the intellectual property of Disney studios, the Star Wars universe.
Copyright infringement on modifications
@stoic beacon''s ace animations and in Zeus Cache.

That's what they're breaking. 🙂
@rapid cypress

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And this...

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kka3, zade boc, diwako anomalies, zeus cache, enhanced movement

rapid cypress May 22, 2020, 12:28 PM

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The people whose copyright is being infringed on can DMCA claim the google drive

stoic beacon May 22, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Will take care of it tomorrow

mortal dust May 22, 2020, 7:22 PM

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File is in owner's trash

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So it looks like the owner of the Gdrive deleted it

carmine folio May 22, 2020, 10:59 PM

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@stoic beacon @mortal dust He reupload it to diff Gdrive

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Now i search new link

crystal talon May 23, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Workshop crawler is back online https://sqi.workshopcrawler.com/

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currently indexing

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4100 items found containing stuff included in cup blobcloseenjoy

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@soft egret you should check on TFR

soft egret May 23, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I should just not. Because I have better things to do than wasting multiple days copy-pasting DMCA's

rapid cypress May 23, 2020, 2:49 PM

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heh

river spear May 23, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@crystal talon make sure to use proper filters for your query

rustic copper May 23, 2020, 4:51 PM

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yup; remove everything which is common like stringtable.xml 🤣

crystal talon May 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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ofc

rapid cypress May 23, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Huh theres some surprisingly old modpacks on the workshop https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1526008894

river spear May 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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its gonna take some time to catch up https://aki.cx/dc2b048c1c.png

scarlet patrol May 24, 2020, 2:05 AM

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oh cool had my first mod thieves

rapid cypress May 24, 2020, 2:06 AM

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heh Sounds like a not so great first

scarlet patrol May 24, 2020, 2:08 AM

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hey its somehow flattering to know people want something you made to the point of stealing it
still gonna get them 🙂 🗡️

faint nacelle May 24, 2020, 2:10 AM

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yeah that does happen pretty fast these days.

scarlet patrol May 24, 2020, 2:14 AM

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how should I proceed about it?

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feel like a DMCA is a bit extreme

faint nacelle May 24, 2020, 2:31 AM

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well if you want to you can always discuss it with the thief. But also that may be just waste of time

scarlet patrol May 24, 2020, 2:39 AM

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if that fails DMCA right?

faint nacelle May 24, 2020, 2:48 AM

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that would be it I believe

fossil basalt May 24, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Many many years of experience has taught me that very few actually listen to you.

glad sparrow May 24, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Bit extreme was the moment when the person reuploaded your content without reading what he agrees to.

south egret May 24, 2020, 5:38 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1898746665 - Lots of WW2 stuff reuploaded here. First time I've found our mod (NF) reuploaded on workshop... 😡

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And gotta love how that bundle is part of a bigger collection

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and that same user has 2 other packs with stolen stuff again

manic lark May 24, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Here are the steps to take: 1. DMCA 2. Find out if they have servers running the reuploaded mod and C&D them with their provider 3. Sit back and laugh before you realize that was 1 upload of 20

south egret May 24, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Sounds like fun, I already shared the link with rest of our devs for that 😄

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Might be worth checking those other two uploads if there is more stuff on them

scarlet patrol May 25, 2020, 3:01 AM

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though they only used my stuff but it looks like these guys pack a punch
not sure if that's how it works but if I put this mod in the crawler a ton of stuff shows up, like cup and ace
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1719458680

soft egret May 25, 2020, 8:11 AM

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CUP could show up if they have legal A2 data pack content

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and you do deep scanning, warrants a closer look, but is no clear indication

heavy moon May 25, 2020, 8:11 AM

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lots of things show up if you don't use the filters.

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map layer texture paa's for example.

scarlet patrol May 25, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I did see a file called fortify
isn't that from ace or acex?

soft egret May 25, 2020, 11:15 AM

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acex has a fortify

indigo thorn May 25, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I'm about to DMCA this myself as it's got a lot of my content (badly ripped) in it but it also has what looks like modified BI's A3 content in it. Not sure if the moderators want to look into this further?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2021577555

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@echo orchid - It's also got RHS PMAGs on some of the models. (Probably other RHS stuff in there too.)

soft egret May 26, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Before I look into it it'll be gone already 😄

raw prairie May 27, 2020, 3:37 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/BihA6JW.png

Ironic

You guys will use the hell out of that guys indexing service but he gets a total of $8 from you guys ree'ing about people possibly using your content

remote rivet May 27, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Imagine thinking youll get a job from arma mods

dull moon May 27, 2020, 3:42 AM

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ikr
[coughs in PUBG, DayZ, a ton of BI employees]

remote rivet May 27, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Laughs in GM

dull moon May 27, 2020, 3:42 AM

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fair enough 😄

raw prairie May 27, 2020, 3:43 AM

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gets fired in studio layoff

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gets screwed over in content monetization deal

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lol

dull moon May 27, 2020, 3:43 AM

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but... technically GM is not a classic job

remote rivet May 27, 2020, 3:43 AM

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get hired by BI
still use same tools as before

dull moon May 27, 2020, 3:44 AM

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BI has other tools

manic lark May 27, 2020, 4:05 AM

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@raw prairie yeah because were making loads of cash off the mods we release for free to this entitled community

raw prairie May 27, 2020, 4:05 AM

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entitled community

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😂

dull moon May 27, 2020, 4:05 AM

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well, we take souls... and a lotta #350s

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

manic lark May 27, 2020, 4:06 AM

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yeah you should see how the community looks at modders

dull moon May 27, 2020, 4:06 AM

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hehehe soulcatchers? 😄

manic lark May 27, 2020, 4:06 AM

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acting like they are owed mods for giving bohemia $30

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then when something does get released they go "why did you make that when we all wanted XYZ" lol

raw prairie May 27, 2020, 4:07 AM

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lmao

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I mean, I'd get banned if I said the s word

manic lark May 27, 2020, 4:09 AM

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yeah not being able to use minor curses in here is really farout man

dull moon May 27, 2020, 4:09 AM

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btw, this is pretty much OT and not #ip_rights_violations related

manic lark May 27, 2020, 4:09 AM

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true

raw prairie May 27, 2020, 4:09 AM

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nah, calling you guys who reee over IP violations a bunch of simps

dull moon May 27, 2020, 4:09 AM

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cool

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still OT

soft egret May 27, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Imagine thinking youll get a job from arma mods
laughs in having a green name

ornate maple May 27, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Not sure if roadrunner is on discord, I couldn't @ his name confidently knowing it was him but https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2107020400&searchtext= is a re-upload of his content

fossil basalt May 27, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Given that he was banned for content theft, I would be hesitant to say for certain that its actually his. (If we're speaking of the same person)

ornate maple May 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Oh. I'd assume so given he was pretty prolific and released lots of content. So if thats the case I'd say its why I can't @ him and probably not worth raising a re-upload of possibly a re-upload 😦

manic lark May 27, 2020, 7:08 PM

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he was only prolific because of everyone else who actually made the content he distributed

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he himself really didnt have any talent

worn whale May 27, 2020, 11:25 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198271334490/myworkshopfiles/
Same guy that willithappen was talking about.
3 mods, all uploads of someone else's work by the looks of things. Roadrunner, Robert Hammer and is it Massi?

rustic copper May 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Fair use is not a right; it only allows use to copyright protected material (so basically everything) to be used under very specific conditions.
So no; taking something protected and put it in a mod is not fair use... No matter which laws you try to pull up...

amber furnace May 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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@cinder notch I highly recommend you watch this video (It's a tom scott video on copyright, fair uses, licenses, ...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

soft egret May 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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any starwars things would fall under fair use
No they don't. but thanks for bringing up the same missinformation for the dozenth time in this channel

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Lets not turn into a useless discussion with someone who refuses to be educated about law. Thanks.

fossil basalt May 28, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Removed

carmine folio May 30, 2020, 7:53 AM

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How is D3S car pack still allowed

vivid wave May 30, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Of course not

fossil basalt May 30, 2020, 7:55 AM

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It isn't allowed, they have just not been taken to court yet.

manic lark May 30, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I'm not even 100% sure if D3S cars isnt totally legit

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I looked over some of their stuff after I heard of them selling a land cruiser model and I wasnt able to find the corresponding models from videogames

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and there are quite a few WIP pics that seem to indicate they are making at least some of them

scarlet patrol May 30, 2020, 3:51 PM

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doesn't have to be from a game
there are a lot of 3d artists that just make cars for CVs and similar things
maybe they bought them or the author is one of those people that also likes arma
a thing I remember about D3S cars is that it conflicts with CUP
meaning they did something fishy with it and its configs

fossil basalt May 30, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It isn't totally legit because they use some cars which have extreme restrictions surrounding their use (Disney level restrictions). Seeing theses vehicles is the number one flag that they're violating IP.

echo orchid May 30, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@scarlet patrol lol

manic lark May 31, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I mean they seem to even have WIP pics of some vehicles

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so who knows

whole sedge Jun 1, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Question. If someone makes a mod with permission to use certain asset from the creator then month or two down the road the creator revokes the permission is that mod now in violation? If so is there a way to get permission that can’t be revoked down the road?

soft egret Jun 1, 2020, 2:58 PM

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get a written down thing by the creator that says he cannot revoke the permission later

whole sedge Jun 1, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Understood thank you

hushed fox Jun 1, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Is there someone here that can point me to a direction on where to get this information / advice?

faint nacelle Jun 1, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Id guess in businesses they use actual specialized lawyers for that

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common sense says, if you have something someone else has made its not your IP

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applies to someone elses designs too to some extent

echo orchid Jun 2, 2020, 12:47 AM

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no copyright infringement on some models i’m creating for a commercial purpose
if it isn't ArmA related, doesn't belong here. if it is, commercial purpose is not allowed in A3

faint nacelle Jun 2, 2020, 12:59 AM

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true #other_ip_topics

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:29 AM

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https://www.pcaviator.com/store/images/D/d_4537.jpg
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1792964841
Well, so, here's the proof that it's a ripped content

Steam Workshop::EuroCopter 135 / 635

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https://www.pcaviator.com/store/product.php?productid=18226&cat=354&page=1

Microsoft Flight Simulator X Add Ons

Addons for Microsoft Flight Simulator X, Aircraft, Scenery, Flight Planners, Adventures and missions

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Okay cheers

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If it was flagged before, how come it hasn't been removed for this yet?

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Maybe nobody interested to do this job

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Okay, well i'll remove it from my mod straight away, thank you for flagging it with me, tbh saves me that damn job of pylons on it anyway

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Haha, eventually thing goes to the right way

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:33 AM

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😄

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Word of advice, if you didn't make it personally, it shouldn't be in "your" mod.

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:36 AM

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I was given permission from the author before hand, i didn't just "steal" it

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obviously I didn't expect it to be from another source again

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2020, 9:37 AM

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And this is the situation you're in now.
My advice still stands.

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Yes true.

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Well, if you didn't know never tolerate you from your sins. At least you quit so no more

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2020, 9:38 AM

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If someone steals a real life car and gives it to you or sells it to you cheaply, you still go to jail for being in possession of stolen property.

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:39 AM

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https://www.simulshop.com//product/nemethdesigns/ec135/tn_fsx2008-53-59.jpg
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/797617069023767974/FF809E49D41AEF2ECD662541DD32F53D1AB82693/
Another proof BTW. I can give no doubt

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(Top image source: https://www.simulshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=235&language=de)

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Yeah its exactly the same smh

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He added his name on the pilot console too

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Which si why I thought it was his own model

vivid wave Jun 2, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Wha- damn, that's a shame

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Shame on him, of course

mighty falcon Jun 2, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Yea

remote loom Jun 2, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Understood, we're removing this from the VIKING PMC mod right now. We were under the impression that this wasn't a stolen asset, we always ensure to get a written approval from original content creators before making use of objects, textures or other assets. Thank you for bringing this up to light POLPOX and FM.

manic laurel Jun 2, 2020, 10:08 AM

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If someone steals a real life car and gives it to you or sells it to you cheaply, you still go to jail for being in possession of stolen property.
@fossil basalt only if he didn't forge papers to sell it to you - then it's all the blame to him

unfortunately, we don't really have administrative forms for mods/models.

He added his name on the pilot console too
this ^ is advanced trickery, not just the basic idiot

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Depends on the country, yes.

manic laurel Jun 2, 2020, 10:09 AM

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concealment in English, right?

fossil basalt Jun 2, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Possession of stolen property is a crime unto itself.

chilly silo Jun 2, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@manic laurel "Fraud by Deception" possibly.

sinful pivot Jun 2, 2020, 10:22 PM

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AFAIK it's only illegal if it's known by the buyer to be stolen. You can't expect everyone to be Sherlock Holmes

rustic copper Jun 2, 2020, 10:25 PM

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it's already illegal if you sell content made with BI Tools... and since this website sells models ready to be used in Arma... you can connect the dots yourself

dull moon Jun 2, 2020, 10:28 PM

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@rustic copper
uhm... you talking about this?
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/547515791579545600/717494215294058648

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if so, wrong channel 😄
i almost fell for it too

rustic copper Jun 2, 2020, 10:29 PM

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ah true 🤣

dull moon Jun 2, 2020, 10:29 PM

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hehehe 😂

rustic copper Jun 2, 2020, 10:30 PM

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although it still applies... if a website sells models for Arma it's illegal, if it just sells .obj files... at low prices, it's questionable

dull moon Jun 2, 2020, 10:31 PM

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if a site sells source data where no BI tools where involved in the creation process AND instructions on how to get them game ready: totally legal

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it's like buying a model on a 3d shop and use a tutorial to get it in game

stable zealot Jun 3, 2020, 12:32 AM

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That’s a shame about the ec-135 mod, I was really holding out for those pylons. I don’t think it can be expected that everyone is fully aware of the complete sources of all works, you can only do your best. If there was truly no excuses for taking someone’s word for things, collaborating on mods wouldn’t be possible and mods such as CUP and RHS wouldn’t exist. You can only try and ensure the people you are working with are trustworthy, anything further than that is impossible.

fossil basalt Jun 3, 2020, 5:40 AM

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It took less than 10 seconds to see that his (Luke) content wasn't legit.

wooden ingot Jun 3, 2020, 7:48 AM

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@stable zealot Well, it happens even among bigger mod teams and that's why people are usually doing some sort of small test to show off their skills before joining team. In case of artist its usually some small asset to see if that people is really capable of moddeling and not only ripping . Anyway, recently Iron Front team had to remove bit of their stuff due to that

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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hello guys I have a possible case of IP violations in front of me

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2117126471

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these guys are uploading mods from 2014 to the steam workshop

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and saying "We don't need permission for re-uploading because we developed it"

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but I doubt that as they uploaded 3 different mods and 3 of them are uploaded by different authors on their original pages (from 2014)

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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yes well thats what poppy people do.

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I have infiltirated their discord and asked them how they made it

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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well quite clearly they did not make them

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Stealth is optional for this mission.

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 1:32 PM

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not needed. these are some lifer kids playing sheriff

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 1:32 PM

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yeah did you see that? general racism and slavery stuff

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weirdos really

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Messaged the guys on forums. Not sure if any of them are active anymore but worth a shot

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 1:43 PM

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one was last active in 2014, other two last active in 2016

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if I remember correctly

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 1:44 PM

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worth a shot. Also flagged them in Steam. Dwarden occasionally sweeps that kind of stuff I recall.

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Crappy thing to do. Id wager those guys dont care about real rules when they play with names like "secretary of state" and "speaker of the house"

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kids powertripping

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 1:46 PM

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lol

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 2:05 PM

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they have removed commenting from steam workshop pages

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 2:05 PM

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yep After I posted links to the armaholic pages

paper prawn Jun 3, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Links to armaholic pages and the forum that had the same pictures bizarrely enough 😉

carmine folio Jun 3, 2020, 2:26 PM

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also they didn't bother changing the description

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 2:53 PM

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no response on their discord but Id wager Im just gonne get booted when they wake up

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 2:54 PM

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just FYI people who violate #rules get banned if there is proof provided that their discord accounts are on here

faint nacelle Jun 3, 2020, 3:05 PM

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ye none of them are here.

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@faint nacelle http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=27792

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those dudes are probably referring to the author giving out source files here lol

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it amazes me how no one realizes you need permission for the steam upload

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wish steam would make that more clear

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Or Publisher would tell you on startup 👀

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Just one little extra box to check that says "I certify that I own the intellectual rights to all content in this workshop item or have obtained and currently posses explicit permission from the original intellectual rights holder."

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Yeah smth like that. on every upload

rapid cypress Jun 3, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Meh a checkbox gets clicked away too quickly, have it be an extra popup window or its own page where you have to wait 5 second or something like that until you can click it

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Maybe that way people will read it

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:18 PM

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@soft egret E-sign portion as well as requiring the game be owned for the workshop you are uploading to and having 2FA enabled

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if you pay with paypal or a card then they can save the email or legal name from the card

lunar geode Jun 3, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Thats an interested idea @manic lark

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Then that information becomes something submitted as well idk

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We need something to prevent them from just making a new account and reuploading

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or reuploading from the same account

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maybe 3 strikes your banned from steam WS?

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Thats very unlikey to happen

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:22 PM

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probably

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but something needs to be done

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 5:22 PM

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yep

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:22 PM

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otherwise we will have to take it into our own hands and no one will like that result

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BI legal team often doesn't fully understand the rules either

lunar geode Jun 3, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yep that was pretty clear from my conversation with them....they honestly told me to just use it and add my own license to it.

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:23 PM

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or at least the 'legal team' I've dealt with

soft egret Jun 3, 2020, 5:24 PM

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guess legal also has interns

lunar geode Jun 3, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Fortunately the original guy contacted me a couple of days later and I have it documented

manic lark Jun 3, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Yeah not really their fault... theyre more concerned with corporate legal stuff I'd assume

faint nacelle Jun 4, 2020, 12:51 AM

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long story short those guys ended up claiming Gnat, TxT and Mankyle are all dead and left the mods for them to uphold. Then when I challenged that I got booted from their discord with some childis slur as their goodbye.

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🤞 the guys get my messages on BI forums

minor sonnet Jun 4, 2020, 4:03 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/profile/736945-mankyle/ <-- isn't that one of them?

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If so he is very much alive lol

faint nacelle Jun 4, 2020, 4:09 AM

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indeed

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though they said it must have been his brother.

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pretty classic spiraling when they started to spin the tale more

fossil basalt Jun 4, 2020, 7:45 AM

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@faint nacelle If you have their forum account names, just inform a moderator.

faint nacelle Jun 4, 2020, 7:46 AM

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I dont. these guys did not seem like the kind to be part of the rest of the community

carmine folio Jun 5, 2020, 12:26 AM

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These dudes are either sociopaths that wrote an entire tale in case someone finds out or they are actually friends with the original devs... but them deleting evidence that could make people reach out to the devs is making me quite doubt it...

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I also got DM'd stating they would love to explain modelling and such to me... making me confused and screaming in the middle of the two possibilities

paper prawn Jun 5, 2020, 12:33 AM

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They are not friends... They claimed that the original devs were dead

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Also they originally uploaded three mods... after Goat (and others) commented they mysteriously removed Mankyle's LCS... Oddly, he is the only one who is visibly still "active" on the forums (as in visits them)

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After they deleted my comments they posted a comment thanking me for helping to test their new mods 🤦

minor sonnet Jun 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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This is what happens when you let your kids huff paint

inner pasture Jun 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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You guys talking about this one?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2117129905

minor sonnet Jun 5, 2020, 1:28 AM

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that's the other one they uploaded

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2117126471

Steam Workshop::Littoral Combat Ship

paper prawn Jun 5, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Recommend changing that last word due to this discord's rules on profanity, but you are absolutely right @inner pasture

minor sonnet Jun 5, 2020, 1:42 AM

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naw I saw some things they said elsewhere and they're just 12yo scumbags

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winning arguments by dropping n bombs etc

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no

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Because they're claiming they made it

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and they didn't even touch it lol

worn sleet Jun 5, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Doesn’t work like that

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meowhuh

minor sonnet Jun 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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nah, I'll relentlessly pester scumbags that take others work and claim they made it themselves, or you know.. upload it to steam under their own workshop w/o the real authors expressed permission

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especially when you bring the fact to their attention and they start throwing n bombs at you

inner pasture Jun 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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Theft is theft, someone worked hard on something and someone else is trying to take credit for it.
It's an ip violation regardless of whether the original author wanted to monetize it or not

raw prairie Jun 5, 2020, 1:56 AM

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How do you know its stolen? Is it a armaholic re-upload?

paper prawn Jun 5, 2020, 2:10 AM

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In Gnat's license for the Sea Fighter he explicitely says No uploads to the Steam Workshop... so that is pretty damn clear. The idiots didn't even look at the readme within the PBO that they uploaded!

minor sonnet Jun 5, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Nah I'll keep worrying about the cesspool spawn that infest the workshop and feeding dat lifer scum rep

fossil basalt Jun 5, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Aphex,

"Posting addon/mod other content without permission

For many years this community has been known as the premium addon/mod creating community, people work tirelessly and in great detail to create fantastic addons/mods/missions/campaigns to release for free so that everyone benefits, including Bohemia Interactive. There are a few simple rules in place to provide the respect to these creative people/groups that they deserve:

The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

You must follow this rule, if a person/team post a thread to share an addon/mod using content from someone else without permission and we receive a complaint then the mod thread will be closed until the issue is resolved and the forum member(s) risks being permanently banned from these forums for taking someone's work without permission.

This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads." -edited for clarity

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Steam Subscriber agreement:


You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```

remote rivet Jun 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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And thats the problem with all these license and agreement nonsense. Back in A2 we had armaholic and all had our own repos. There was an actual modding community of people wanting to make content for each other. Now its just toxic life modders thinking they will be the next cdlc selling horse armor.

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Nobody is advocating for straight stealing

fossil basalt Jun 5, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Nothing has changed. If it isn't your content, don't touch it.

rustic copper Jun 5, 2020, 7:52 AM

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DayZ made Arma popular and got a whole group of new players in Arma 3.
With GTA5 RP it also got people in the Arma 3 Life scene.
And lastly... zoomers... For some reason this generation doesn't like to follow rules and thinks they know it all...

So 3 reasons why a lot of toxic people came to this community who either don't know or don't care about licenses and laws.

remote rivet Jun 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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It has changed. You cant even retexture things with proper credit anymore. Its impossible to 'yes..and' anything anymore

rustic copper Jun 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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but how hard is it to simply ask?

fossil basalt Jun 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Nobody is advocating for straight stealing

Actually you were, which is why you will be banned the next time you make a similar statement.

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We have Zero tolerance for this sort of behaviour.

remote rivet Jun 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Which is what has changed.

fossil basalt Jun 5, 2020, 7:56 AM

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No, BI recognized that modders were no longer making as much content due to others stealing their work or from those stealing from other games.

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You may as well be saying " but racism was ok in my day". Its **not **ok and never has been. Neither is content theft.

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!ban 201766361389596672 14d for supporting content theft

edgy coralBOT Jun 5, 2020, 7:58 AM

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*fires them railguns at @remote rivet* Ò_Ó

carmine folio Jun 5, 2020, 8:14 AM

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what does ba sing se have to do with this

raw prairie Jun 5, 2020, 8:18 AM

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disagreement = ban

soft egret Jun 5, 2020, 8:20 AM

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disagreement = ban
Advocating violating our #rules and inciting people to violate them = ban

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not disagreement

carmine folio Jun 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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They are not friends... They claimed that the original devs were dead
@paper prawn I just found out about that, they also called Goat the N-word before booting him.

I'm definitely going with the first possibility now.

carmine folio Jun 5, 2020, 11:02 AM

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It looks like they removed the items or someone else did.

carmine folio Jun 5, 2020, 11:45 AM

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nvm just a single item

manic lark Jun 6, 2020, 11:36 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2118261965

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tons of life related stuff

faint nacelle Jun 6, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Don't be an idiot and communicate...

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Good concept, if only the man himself had done that.

dull moon Jun 6, 2020, 11:46 PM

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@manic lark
got a list?

manic lark Jun 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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sadly no

soft egret Jun 6, 2020, 11:52 PM

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RH, ST11, TFA, NSWDG
no life stuff

manic lark Jun 6, 2020, 11:54 PM

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ah

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nvm then lmao

paper prawn Jun 6, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Well... that's still an illegal upload...

crystal talon Jun 8, 2020, 12:09 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmaPhotography/comments/gwuw5t/rule_4_is_no_more/ thonk

vivid wave Jun 8, 2020, 12:24 PM

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^ r/ArmaPhotogpraphy subreddit revokes its rule 4, which stats “no IP violated/stolen contents in shots in this subreddit”

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“Your screens are yours, whatever you used,” the post that stat the rule's revocation says

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As the author of the MOD that used by the most of screenshotter, I'd say this is 🦆ed decision

soft egret Jun 8, 2020, 12:37 PM

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The owner of that subreddit afaik was banned from a3 subreddit for repeatedly posting ripped content

vivid wave Jun 8, 2020, 12:40 PM

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meowsweats

vivid scarab Jun 8, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Does BI have much to do with /r/Arma?

soft egret Jun 8, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Not really no

vivid scarab Jun 8, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Hm. Does seem like a new /r/ArmaPictures in concert with the main sub-reddit wouldn't be a bad shout. Asset theft is a real pain, and enabling that sort of behaviour is just... yikes.

soft egret Jun 8, 2020, 12:45 PM

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But their moderators never took care of ripped stuff.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmaPhotography/comments/9xgj2p/hillside_views/ here is he himself posting a screenshot with a ripped backpack from BF3. And its still up.
Thats happens when the owner of a subreddit just doesn't care about his own rules. That rule 4 seems to have always been formal to pretend they are doing the right thing.

delicate hamlet Jun 8, 2020, 12:50 PM

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"gear is private"

soft egret Jun 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/326349917847289856/719541114725597234/Screenshot_6.png
If you try to argue with these guys you loose

rapid cypress Jun 8, 2020, 2:59 PM

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heh Protection against theft for thee but nor for me

echo orchid Jun 8, 2020, 3:03 PM

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lols

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nais

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:07 PM

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@pure mountain welcome little moderator buddy https://i.imgur.com/HfD51vH.png

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:08 PM

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From point of view of someone who makes my own stuff its sickening that people willy nilly take someone elses work

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:08 PM

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@pure mountain you and Monarch are both very well aware of why that rule exists and what it does

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:08 PM

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this is not the place to conduct your private affairs

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:08 PM

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yes for supporting content theft I'd assume

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@faint nacelle let me tell you why this dude is here, hes going to ask opinions and then say "hmm okay we will look into this and consider it" and attempt to save face by reimplementing that rule and pretending like they didnt know why it existed in the first place.

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Im pretty sure Im aware of whats happening

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:10 PM

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This is what they do and they think theyre smarter than everyone else and that no one else sees that move multiple steps before

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:10 PM

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in any case #other_ip_topics is the place for any further inquiries

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endorsing the use of ripped material is like saying you dont mind people doing it

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which is like spitting on the face of the people who originally made it

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:16 PM

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"From here on out, the content you publish will not be judged by the items used to create it. No matter the source, some stupid EULA, or a social hive mind, you as a player shouldn’t be restricted to “correct” ways to creating and sharing artwork. That’s why I decided to eradicate this rule forever. Some of you may not like it, but I know a lot will."

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@pure mountain understands both sides very well

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:17 PM

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those are from your subreddit though?

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:22 PM

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"It will take Nyte and myself at minimum 24 hours to accurately reflect this change in the rules so ignore that for now. Officially, the rule is dead.

Your artwork is yours; no matter the content."

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:22 PM

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well by continuing to moderate it you endorse the new rule

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your actions are your own

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:24 PM

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there is absolutely no way monarch (thesendest) hasnt talked to you abou this, ranted about this or basically filled you in on this

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especially after you messaged me that cute little "you're a sad petty character warden"... really obvious youve spoken to him about this before

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Well doesnt really matter if you knew before. Now you do and can choose what you are going to do about it

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 4:26 PM

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petty*

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thats neither here or now though... I didnt submit the ban lol

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 4:27 PM

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If you want to continue on the subjects please do so on #other_ip_topics

fossil basalt Jun 8, 2020, 6:08 PM

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2 users have been banned.

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Hello. I need help.

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This very presidental dude?

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He is false DMCA'ing my mod

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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what mod is yours

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were familiar with the presidential dude

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:53 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2070681304

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comments got disabled

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I didnt do it

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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ah he again. weird bloke

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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you made that lighting mod?

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I have taken screenshots of his comments

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yes why?

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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pretty cool mod lol

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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My responses were quite childish and pretty furious

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https://ibb.co/vX97pRT
https://ibb.co/tC9MY8L
https://ibb.co/qdwPRQc

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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yeah no worries

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can you screenshot the email you got from steam

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and block out your info but not his

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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no email

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I don't know why comments got disabled

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I've been to his discord

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he writes like that but he is maybe 16 tops for real

amber furnace Jun 8, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Can he even legally file a DCMA then?

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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it does not show as dmcad for me though

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no

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its a crime already

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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did he DMCA the mod or did he just write that comment?

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Does DMCA show right after its filed

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I got pretty frusturated after comments got disabled

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Thought it had to do with DMCA

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:56 PM

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oh and stealing Gnats work is what he did

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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yeah hes a dedicated troll ill give him that

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unless you get an email there is no DMCA

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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yep

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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the comments are working fine for me

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:57 PM

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oh they are?

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why did mine break lol

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I dont see them either

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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dont think theyre broken

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he also didnt do a DMCA

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but if he does and puts his real info man that will be fun

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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could be related to him blocking you on steam

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and me

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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filed by US president, lmao

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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yeah he does not seem quite right in head

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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how can I see comments again?

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696929001511321651/710647253299232829/unknown.png

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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cant see them when I'm even logged out

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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lmao

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this dude

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anyone have his discord

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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he removed the link

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Also kicked everyone out + slur

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probably his entire group will dislike my mod now 😦

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 8:01 PM

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does not matter

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 8:01 PM

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but those likes raise my ego

faint nacelle Jun 8, 2020, 8:01 PM

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megusta

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 8:01 PM

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hahah jk

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I blocked him, still cant see screenshots

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quite weird

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comments

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I mean

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 8:06 PM

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=33540

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this is him btw

dull moon Jun 8, 2020, 8:08 PM

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links a video "top 5 mods"
checking download counter: "0 times"
LOL

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 8:12 PM

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he lives in Georgia in the US

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I just found out there is a comment tab

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 8:12 PM

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prob like 18 lol

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 8:13 PM

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is diverting a #blm protester group to his house illegal?

manic lark Jun 8, 2020, 8:13 PM

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you can search his username and get tons of funny stuff like his opentable reviews for local places etc

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ah wouldnt involve politics in the chat lol

carmine folio Jun 8, 2020, 8:13 PM

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lol

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anyways lads

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looks like that DMCA was imaginary, like the world he is in currently

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thanks for your time

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quite hate myself for spending time arguing with people like this tbh, should have just blocked

paper prawn Jun 13, 2020, 2:46 PM

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That Very Presidential guy and his mate are not particularly clever... They still haven't explained why the FSF-1 mod they uploaded to Steam Workshop has a readme that explicitely says "Not for upload to Steam Workshop" 🤦

soft egret Jun 13, 2020, 2:47 PM

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no need for name calling

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they do that deliberately

paper prawn Jun 13, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Roger that, edited

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But they obviously are incapable of actually opening the PBOs they uploaded 😉

faint nacelle Jun 13, 2020, 2:49 PM

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which is probably for the best

scarlet patrol Jun 13, 2020, 3:48 PM

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those guys are so bizzarre

paper prawn Jun 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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We should bait them to come to this discord LOL 😂

fossil basalt Jun 14, 2020, 8:21 AM

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No thank you.

soft egret Jun 14, 2020, 4:16 PM

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If anyone wants to check if their stuff has been reuploaded, feel free to. I don't have time to check these myself but I'm confident there's stuff in there
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1845848406
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1672053848
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1232190943

The uploader has just been banned for ripping, modifying, resharing Arma models from mods and asking help for his "work" related to that in #arma3_model

dapper ocean Jun 15, 2020, 5:16 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=944356711&searchtext=ship

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EA BFII rip returns to workshop

valid harness Jun 15, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Star wars mods are not illegal law-wise so the phrase "star wars mods are illegal" isnt correct, and also. On your very own website - https://www.bohemia.net/community/game-content-usage-rules (rule 6) it states -

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"You may develop your own game content, tools, plug-ins and other utilities or services for both noncommercial and commercial use as long as it is your original creation, without using the content, tool or any other intellectual property of Bohemia Interactive."

soft egret Jun 15, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Star Wars is trademarked, you are not permitted to use it. Thus star wars mods are not permitted.

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Bohemias rules don't even come to play.

midnight crystal Jun 15, 2020, 3:30 PM

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The key words are "as long as it is your original creation", now, did you create star wars? LUL

rustic copper Jun 15, 2020, 3:32 PM

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not to mention that this rule 6 applies to using copyrighted/trademarked/IP related content from BI, not third-party companies...

faint nacelle Jun 15, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Disney has also made a blanket statement that the SW IP is not to be used in anything else than what they make/license out.

vivid scarab Jun 15, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Pretty much. It's not like say, Halo, where Microsoft generally turn a blind eye so long as you aren't ripping content from existing titles.

faint nacelle Jun 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Indeed. Quite many game companies/IP holders are "ok" with fan made stuff as long as its self made and money does not change hands. Disney has taken a different stance though and that should be respected.

broken hornet Jun 15, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Microsoft doesn’t turn a blind eye, they explicitly allow it under a certain set of rules

carmine folio Jun 15, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Would the mod itself be allowed if it was privately used(meaning not published on any platform like SW etc) or would disney also have a problem with that

somber cliff Jun 15, 2020, 9:24 PM

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no it would not be allowed

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it existing isn't allowed, why would any use be allowed?

carmine folio Jun 15, 2020, 10:15 PM

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I find the whole Situation confusing with what disney is doing, most likely due to not knowlegable about the topic.

There are some well known sites that host star wars fan comics/works for a long time. and when someone puts their stuff into a mod, it becomes an issue. several other games have star wars mods, and I havent seen it cause as much trouble as it has here.

seems like third party creations are tolerated to an extent, or they just havent gone after them yet

faint nacelle Jun 15, 2020, 11:29 PM

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It basically comes down to respecting each IP holder equally, big or small. Disney said, everything is forbidden, then everything is forbidden. People who disagree should take it up with Disney.

I personally could not with good conscience say its ok to make SW mods now because thats what Disney has dictated, before Disneys statement (Lucas Arts was far more lenient) there were quite a few small legit SW projects coming along and that was fine. Only after the statement and when the ripped assets started to pop up SW modding scene got where it is now.

paper prawn Jun 15, 2020, 11:50 PM

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And it should be noted, as it always is when this comes up, that Disney have a habit of going after anyone they can when they target an IP violator. So if Bohemia were not so explicit in their rules on SW modding they could potentially be in Disney's sights - especially given the fact that they have more money than the modders ripping content

manic lark Jun 15, 2020, 11:56 PM

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star wars is the most extensively and expensively protected content there is

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you will never be able to use recognizable star wars characters legally

rustic copper Jun 15, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I'm case people (still) don't understand why Disney is so hard about their IP:
Disney is extremely strict when it comes to quality about content which contains their name or their IP's, and of course want to make sure they always get a share of the profits or make money with it when possible.
This always has been and always will be.

So any mods for other games, which Disney doesn't control, are not allowed to make money with their IP's unless they get money for it. And ai doubt that BI is willing to pay for what the community is doing...

manic lark Jun 16, 2020, 12:00 AM

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its not about making money in most cases

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its just the usage of the IP

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in order to retain such protective rights they have to do due diligence to remove any infringements

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2020, 7:35 AM

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they explicitly allow it under a certain set of rules If you're referring to the old (many years old) web page (that has since been superseded) that rippers frequently use to justify their actions, No, they do not allow it. Contact the Microsoft legal department from a professional email account (not jimbob@aol.com) and they will confirm this.

soft egret Jun 16, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Microsoft (unlike disney) specifically allows their Halo IP to be used, that of course excludes ripping stuff from their games... That should be obvious
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No, they do not allow it.
Is wrong if taking the context of the quoted message into account, they DO allow people to use their IP.

vivid scarab Jun 16, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I can't remember the specific details, but it's very definitely allowed. OPERATION: Trebuchet has been featured twice on 343i's Waypoint articles as well, which should be a pretty clear indication of tacit support for the fan project.

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It's definitely a vastly different situation to Disney, although getting into the whole "Disney and IP" thing is a quagmire of political nonsense.

rustic copper Jun 16, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Disney says NO, BI says NO... Not sure what is "political nonsense" there, other that the laws are made by political parties...

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 4:28 PM

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in what world do you people live in?

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do any of the ones using disney ip have their permission?

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unlikely

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 4:54 PM

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so why even have the discussion then?

broken hornet Jun 16, 2020, 5:24 PM

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@fossil basalt not sure what your referring to

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https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers/rules

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if you have some newer information please let me know

indigo thorn Jun 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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The first rule being:
You can't reverse engineer our games to access the assets or otherwise do things that the games don't normally permit in order to create your Items.

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So that's very much like A3's rules where we can inherit existing configs on which to build out own mods but we can't reverse engineer A3 .p3d files etc.

rustic copper Jun 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The one rule which simply forbids it:

You cannot enter into any agreement with someone else to exclusively distribute your Item even if they don't pay you. We give you this license so that you can make cool Items and share them far and wide. Someone else holding your Item back from wide distribution means: (a) it's not going far and wide; and (b) it is very likely that person is trying to use the Game Content to promote their commercial venture. That's not what these Rules are about.
In short; you're not allowed to upload MS content to the Steam Workshop due to the workshop rules and EULA...

indigo thorn Jun 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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(and that was also posted 5 1/2 years ago so not sure how valid it still is.)

soft egret Jun 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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the difference is that Microsoft allows you to use the Halo IP and make halo universe content by yourself.
Whereas Disney doesn't

broken hornet Jun 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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^ was the point I was making

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turning eye or not enforcing != allowed

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if something is to be allowed it has to be stated

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@rustic copper also steam WS is far from exclusive, I fail to see that connection

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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something to perhaps take note in the microsofts usage rules is that if you create something new into lets say Halo universe, Microsoft basically owns that idea

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so there are these caveats in the making of fan work

vagrant tusk Jun 16, 2020, 6:00 PM

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smart move

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2020, 6:00 PM

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it is indeed. but Id wager not many people know this stuff

vagrant tusk Jun 16, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Wish more companies see modding potential as PR tool or ...in some lucky cases might even game design ideas for free

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 6:07 PM

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disney makes a ton of money based on their franchises

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besides the movies

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merchandise, video games etc

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hence they wanna keep a tight grip on their IPs

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2020, 6:08 PM

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they dont need the PR or the potential risk of someone making something that actually hurts the IP

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 6:08 PM

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that also

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2020, 6:08 PM

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this way they can just sue everyone if they want to

vagrant tusk Jun 16, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Well Halo case is the way i think. Simple, working, genial

faint nacelle Jun 16, 2020, 6:14 PM

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there are all kinds of restrictions there too

fossil basalt Jun 16, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I probably should have been a bit more clear, but my comments were in direct reference to a specific title (Forza) in which people still insist that Microsoft says they can rip the content from it.

soft egret Jun 16, 2020, 6:40 PM

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ripping stuff VERY MUCH != permission to use the IP/Trademarks

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 6:41 PM

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was about to say the same - is there any game out there that’s ok with stuff being ripped out?

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the ones that are ok to have their content used have released that content by themselves

paper prawn Jun 16, 2020, 8:16 PM

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STALKER's the only one I know of off hand that said use what you want...

echo orchid Jun 16, 2020, 9:03 PM

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exactly

paper prawn Jun 16, 2020, 9:12 PM

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And they explicitely said "use want you want but you can't monetize it" 😉

soft egret Jun 17, 2020, 8:58 AM

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but the people don't care and still monetize it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vivid scarab Jun 17, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Channel only applies to uh, Steam Workshop, yes? Or can stuff on Nexus / ModDB be flagged as well?

soft egret Jun 17, 2020, 12:58 PM

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not sure what you are referring to

vivid scarab Jun 17, 2020, 12:58 PM

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In so far as IP Rights Violations.

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Brain dumb. Momento.

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Basically, content for Arma that's a violation of a specific companies IP is being hosted on other, prominent modding websites - can we chuck that in here, or is it better to reach out to BIs infringement email directly?

soft egret Jun 17, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Channel description

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discuss there violations before sending email to infringements@bistudio.com

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BI doesn't read in here

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if you have any violations of BI's IP, report to that mail address

vivid scarab Jun 17, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Roger roger. \o

hoary ether Jun 17, 2020, 7:31 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2104661113&searchtext=dbs

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look at this dude

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TeTeT, yax, peral, sab and usaf stuff

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hes has 2 other packs aswell

paper prawn Jun 17, 2020, 7:41 PM

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Unbelievable... seems to also believe he or she can relicense the ripped content... This project is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2GitHub[github.com]).

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Has anyone seen the ArmaServices website selling assets which are not made by them and they’ve stole them and changed their name. Idk how they’re still selling stuff I’m pretty sure they sell BI code as well lol

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So like the ripped the BI code and claimed it to be there own code

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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They are also pretty much just straight up scamming 🙂

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:05 PM

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@surreal raptor They’re selling PKE assets from Pop life and they’re selling assets found on armaholic and they’re selling Kangaro0 assets lmao

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Funny people OMEGALUL

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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they’ve got no permission to do so

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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They also take 30% cut which is robbery compared to other platforms 10-15%

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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@sinful osprey they’re selling your assets man

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Yeah

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@dull pike they’re selling ur assets too

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:09 PM

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asset selling for Arma is forbidden anyway

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if you know of other platforms that sell p3d or pbo or paa (armas files that are made with ArmaTools) those should be reported to BI

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:10 PM

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@faint nacelle so if I make a png in photoshop and convert to paa using texview2 that can’t be sold right?

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Cause that’s also what they’re selling hahaha

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:13 PM

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that is correct

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:14 PM

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is that for files using bohemia formats (pbo, paa, etc) or files made using bohemia tools?

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:15 PM

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tools are non commercial and the formats are BIs own

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so both

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as far as I know

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:16 PM

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So bytex market have some people who are selling PAA’s too

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:16 PM

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so a mission/mod would have to be sold unpacked with readme telling the customers to pack it themselves?

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:16 PM

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basically

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:17 PM

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The bytex people are sound so I’m sure they’ll take it down

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:17 PM

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dont for 🦆 sake sell this stuff

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Oh wait maybe the bytex and Arma services people are selling them in png form with a readme telling them how to convert to paa

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Guess we’ll never know unless we purchase them

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Which I’m definitely not going to do

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:19 PM

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There are probably worse crimes than selling a folder of original works that's packed as a pbo

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:19 PM

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so you are in the selling life stuff to kids business too then?

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Me?

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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no

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Oh ok

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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there is a message after yours. 😛

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Yeah I just didn’t know lol

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I mean Fini

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Nodus are selling gang skins for $75

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Bit overpriced if you ask me

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:21 PM

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pretty much all of the life scene is just one big scam of people trying to squeeze all they can from kids who have no idea that they are scammed

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:22 PM

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True who ever buys those skins off of Repentz on nodus is just an idiot

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I’m pretty sure there’s some gang skins which are more expensive

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Still $75 is ridiculous for some clothing

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:23 PM

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if only people had half a brain to understand that.

surreal raptor Jun 17, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Last time I checked Nodus is not monetized, I do not deal with gangs and I don't know anything about that. The last thing I see is that gang skins are free for select gangs. Anyways I do not have a part in that.

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Oh no some are for sale my guy I can show some proof. Ik you have nothing to do with the gangs so that’s fine. It’s just Repentz exploiting all these life kiddos haha.

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Some are free

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There’s premium clothing for sale

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And the ordinary clothing for free

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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if its repentz its not legit.

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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It’s is he’s starting another life community

scarlet patrol Jun 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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in this chat we've seen people selling 3 lines forEach scripts for 40$

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:25 PM

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scirpts are ok to sell though

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as long as they are not in pbo

scarlet patrol Jun 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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yeah shouldn't be illegal
just dumb

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Some scripts are ridiculously overpriced you can make them your self within a few days

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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indeed

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but I think this is already way off topic of this channel

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best to wrap it up

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Arma services violating more BI rules I see they’re selling their core module with scripts

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Oh I’m sorry

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I’m done here

faint nacelle Jun 17, 2020, 8:27 PM

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if you have proof of things like that, report to the BI email

carmine folio Jun 17, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Alright thanks man

fossil basalt Jun 17, 2020, 8:32 PM

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They have already been banned, move along.

soft egret Jun 18, 2020, 5:33 AM

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So bytex market have some people who are selling PAA’s too
bytex sells png format

rapid cypress Jun 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Hm I have a question about the Arma 3 EULA, according to someone on r/arma the part

Ownership
All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, narrative, locations, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audiovisual effects, methods of operation, any related documentation, and addons incorporated into the Program) are owned by Bohemia Interactive a.s. (the Licensor) or its licensors. The Program is protected by the Czech copyright laws, international copyright treaties and conventions and any other applicable laws. All rights are reserved.
means that BI claims ownership of user made mods aswell
(source of the claim: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/hb1rne/so_til_that_the_usp_modders_added_a_list_of/fv73y8p/ )

Is that actually what that part means or is the person just misunderstanding it?

fossil basalt Jun 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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The defining aspect would be "incorporated into the program".

soft egret Jun 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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and addons incorporated into the Program
mods are not incorporated into the program. Don't believe all the garbage these thieves/rippers tell to justify their missbehaviour and try to denounce USP's actions against them

rapid cypress Jun 18, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Oki thank you peeps bongocat

small nacelle Jun 19, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Im not sure if im in the right place but i suspect a community to have ripped mods and put it into one folder that isnt allowed right ?

lone basin Jun 19, 2020, 9:31 PM

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No it's not. Ripping itself is not allowed.

small nacelle Jun 19, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Roger

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do i need to email that mail adress?

lone basin Jun 19, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Depends, if they have ripped official BI content, yes. If they ripped another mod/game, you need to contact the original IP owner

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 6:07 PM

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After checking out this mod, I've noticed it has ripped a ton of weapons from NIARMS. I dont know if they have permission to do so so i'm asking here if this is allowed or not https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2127320218

rapid cypress Jun 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I recommend forwrding that to the NIArms team and uploading anything to the steam workshop that you dont own is a violation of the steam subscriber agreement (iirc)

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Already tweeted at the person running the NIARMS mod

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I just dont know if they are on this discord

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Okay, not only did the mod rip NIarms, it also ripped RH and ASDG

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also EWK

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https://ibb.co/pXq8zQn

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meowhuh

soft egret Jun 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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specforce and DAR_HMMWV allso not his stuff

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looks like "his" mod isn't even his at all

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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So the guy ripped 6 mods?

soft egret Jun 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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well atleast apparently

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and then slapped his name onto it, and says he owns the copyright

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 6:32 PM

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GWpingKanyeLUL

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Now thats something

rapid cypress Jun 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Nice Nice

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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He even put his own discord on all of that stolen stuff

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This guy is getting better by the minute

manic lark Jun 20, 2020, 7:19 PM

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repacked

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not ripped

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still bad though

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Repacking without permission is still a nono right?

rustic copper Jun 20, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Is stealing a car still not allowed?

manic lark Jun 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@obtuse spear its still stealing the car even if the car is left unlocked

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also repacking is generally allowed outside of steam

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on steam workshop by uploading you claim you own the content being uploaded or have explicit permission from the content owner to upload to steam

soft egret Jun 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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and he also states he made it, and that all rights are reserved to him on top of that

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Btw is any of the people who he stole from on this discord?

soft egret Jun 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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yeah

obtuse spear Jun 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Can you tag them?

soft egret Jun 20, 2020, 8:45 PM

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wouldn't wanna bother them

void badge Jun 29, 2020, 6:11 PM

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not exactly on topic for this channel but I have been trying to look into how mods are implementing either whitelist/blacklist functionality or obfuscation and not finding anything substantial. Anyone know more about this topic or a resource with information?

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:15 PM

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From what I've read they usually have a list of profile names and/or steam ID's and then they check every players name and/or steam ID against that list at a certain point @void badge

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:17 PM

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basically the same white/black list as for missions ("your player ID is not on the list, no heli pilot for you then").
downside: remove the script, white/blacklist is gone.

obuscation: there are tools around for ages to obfuscate PBO files, but that's sort of nonsense. obfuscated files can be decrypted in no time by people who really wnat to see/use what's in it

void badge Jun 29, 2020, 6:19 PM

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hm, it was brought up to me in the context of protecting mod content but as you guys have mentioned it seems kind of ineffective for actually protecting content?

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:19 PM

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that's the sad truth. the only way to protect content nowadays is, to not release it

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there are some good ideas for mod DRMs but the RV engine / arma is not fit for that

void badge Jun 29, 2020, 6:23 PM

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yeah its kind of sad that the mod world has gotten to this cycle of stealing content. Hope in the long run it doesn't impact the quality of mods

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:24 PM

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it already did

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many old folks walked away from modding (releasing mods) for that reason

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the only option we have to counter content theft is DMCA. striking the violators on either steam for reuploads, or sending DMCAs to the hosters where the stolen content is redistributed (google, dropbox, even server provider companies like Hetzner or OVH)

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:27 PM

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I wonder if handing out BE bans for repeat offenders would change much

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:27 PM

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no, not really

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Hm propably

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:28 PM

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BE ban just means one can not play on BE protected servers anymore. what are they gonna do? disable BE and reupload again

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Most of the people that dont care about Ip rights props dont care about BE protection either

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Yeah

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:29 PM

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there must be a second instance for such stuff. like blocking access to all server instances if one is on a violator list (steam ID)

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but then again, create another throwaway account and one is back in the game

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Hm doesnt steam have game bans?

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Or was it only community bans?

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:30 PM

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not sure tbh

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game bans are not handled by steam afaik

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Playing games should be fun. In order to ensure the best possible online multiplayer experience, Valve allows developers to implement their own systems that detect and permanently ban any disruptive players, such as those using cheats.

Game developers inform Valve when a disruptive player has been detected in their game, and Valve applies the game ban to the account. The game developer is solely responsible for the decision to apply a game ban. Valve only enforces the game ban as instructed by the game developer.

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:31 PM

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oh... ok

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:32 PM

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The effects of the game ban are determined by the developer, and must be consistent with a VAC ban, such as being prevented from playing online with other players and/or trading items for that game. It cannot prevent the user from launching and playing the game offline. It cannot prevent the user from using Steam.

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So I guess game bans could work theoretically

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The duration of the game ban is determined by the developer. Only permanent game bans are displayed on the user’s profile. Temporary game bans, or suspensions, are not displayed.

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:32 PM

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good to know. then i wonder why BI is not handing out those bans for known repeat offenders

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:33 PM

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From https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6899-IOSK-9514&l=english

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then i wonder why BI is not handing out those bans for known repeat offenders
Who knows, would be nice to see them start doing that though

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I'd be surprised if Bi cant get approved for the Game ban system either

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i already asked for assistance by BI for repeat offenders. they don't...

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:34 PM

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awe

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i so badly hope that all this will be taken more serious by BI with the next game release

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Yeah hopefully it'll improve in some way

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:36 PM

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i could name a ton of people who would volunteer in enforcing law and order 😄

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:36 PM

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If BI keeps handling it the same way (so doing basically nothing) I imagine that it'll become an even bigger problem with the next game if the community grows

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:36 PM

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If BI keeps handling it the same way (so doing basically nothing) I imagine that it'll become an even bigger problem with the next game if the community grows
guaranteed

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Oh yeah there#s definetly enough people who'd be happy to volunteer some of their time to help improve the community

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it'd definetly have to be vetted by BI though, maybe they just dont want to get the additional resources required to start enforcing the rules more strongly?

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:39 PM

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it'd definetly have to be vetted by BI though, maybe they just dont want to get the additional resources required to start enforcing the rules more strongly?
maybe... it is also possible that they just can't afford it at this point. looking at studios like blizzard, ea, whatnot... they have whole departments dedicated to nothing more than that

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:39 PM

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They have a lot bigger communities though

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:39 PM

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departments that cost a 💩 ton of money for the employees that don't create income

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Yeah true

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:40 PM

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They have a lot bigger communities though
over 4 million sold copies isn't small either 😉

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i think a voluntary moderation system could work on the short run for the next game, but might also lead into legal issues on the long term.
moderators are working on BIs notice. how to handle a volunteer who abuses that and creates financial damage?

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Yeah but theres a big difference between 216,731 people playing at the same time and 18,291 playing at the same time

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(WoW and Arma respectively)

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:42 PM

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true

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Yeah I think a completely volunteer team wouldnt be a good decision

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As I said bans should have some form of official vetting

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otherwise it'll inevitably happen that the system is abused

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:45 PM

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volunteers could work cases of accusations, and once they are proven hand it over to a most likely understaffed legal team. but that's a step that causes more delay...

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Yeah that could work, have the volunteers collect accusations and proof and bundle it together and send that off to legal

manic lark Jun 29, 2020, 6:46 PM

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It’s because BI doesn’t give a damn about us as long as we keep churning out content that makes people buy their games

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No ones buying Arma for BI stuff

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:46 PM

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language blep

manic lark Jun 29, 2020, 6:46 PM

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yeah

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Fixed lmao

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:46 PM

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heh

manic lark Jun 29, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Like I’ve said many times it wouldn’t be hard to counter the rippers

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But you need to actively be attempting to do something

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:47 PM

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But yeah then you#re also trusting the volunteers that they dont leave anything out or manipulate the evidence any other way which could lead to problems too @dull moon

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And yeah it'd be nice to see BI doing anything

manic lark Jun 29, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Imo this should have happened when the life servers started causing problems

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:48 PM

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It'd be nice to see BI even put up just a symbolic effort to do anything even if it doesnt really do much

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Just to show that they actually care

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or are listening at least

manic lark Jun 29, 2020, 6:49 PM

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They need to spend the time to develop tools that will help us protect the mods, it is in there interest because if we don’t create mods no one buys Arma

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They just don’t care because they don’t think that’s totally the case

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But it really is. No one plays Arma just for Arma. It mostly sucks with vanilla content.

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And I don’t think that’s a bad thing really

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BI has provided a lot of useful tools for us in the past for mods, missions etc... I think they just need to continue that with protection.

rapid cypress Jun 29, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yep

dull moon Jun 29, 2020, 6:59 PM

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We won't get new toys for arma 3. That's because they have relocated a lot of resources already. The reason why I mentioned "the next game"

faint nacelle Jun 29, 2020, 7:11 PM

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How I see it the hard truth is that if the talented people who mod Arma and respect IP ownership leave the scene, there will surely be a huge gap in content amount and quality and then it will in time start to fill up with the life-esque etc mods from people who dont care. Id wager there would be stuff for the military enthusiasts too, perhaps just not in same quality we have now. But sad truth is that users dont always care either if the mod is legit or not as long as they have fun.

I dont mean to discourage anyone from modding now or in the future but reality is that changing the overall user mentality over modding and respect of IP is an uphill battle. That said I think what we have established here in Arma community is quite unique already and the right direction of which we can be damn proud of. So maybe we will triumpth in time if we just keep at it like we have done so far.

scarlet patrol Jun 29, 2020, 8:04 PM

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there are communities where respect of people's IP is ridiculized so yeah we could have it a lot worse

midnight crystal Jun 29, 2020, 10:30 PM

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~~ahem ahem Garry's Mod ahem ahem~~

carmine folio Jun 29, 2020, 10:39 PM

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There is a server called Frag Squad CQC it gives out the IPs to anonymous individuals for them to DDOS can we get them take down?

echo orchid Jun 29, 2020, 10:41 PM

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what does that have anything to do with this channel @carmine folio ?

carmine folio Jun 29, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Sorry my bad misread channel just saw the text above talking about ip grabbers

broken hornet Jun 30, 2020, 3:00 AM

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different ip lol

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might still be able to report to bi, although not sure how your gonna be able to prove that

carmine folio Jul 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Hi guys I’ve noticed you guys have something about life server developers and life server owners. Would anyone be willing to explain why? Because I know some legit people who don’t steal assets, nor do they steal terrain. It may be the members of the community but u really can’t blame the developers if they’re producing something completely custom. Obviously there’s people who do steal assets and such and they are not real developers but there’s the legit developers that create EVERYTHING from scratch.

soft egret Jul 6, 2020, 5:29 PM

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of about 100 life servers I know. I know literally 2 who make their own stuff and don't steal

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might be because the legit servers are just smaller and lesser known, and don't attract attention by stealing stuff

delicate hamlet Jul 6, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Hi guys I’ve noticed you guys have something about life server developers and life server owners. Would anyone be willing to explain why? Because I know some legit people who don’t steal assets, nor do they steal terrain. It may be the members of the community but u really can’t blame the developers if they’re producing something completely custom. Obviously there’s people who do steal assets and such and they are not real developers but there’s the legit developers that create EVERYTHING from scratch.
@carmine folio life server can be profitable when popular enough, monetizing content in most of cases is prohibited, adding to this >85% of life servers contain non allowed assets to be used in this schemes or used in fraudulent ways (stealed, reuploaded without permission). Its not something agains life servers, its against dishonest devs/owners

stoic beacon Jul 6, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Hi guys I’ve noticed you guys have something about life server developers and life server owners. Would anyone be willing to explain why? Because I know some legit people who don’t steal assets, nor do they steal terrain. It may be the members of the community but u really can’t blame the developers if they’re producing something completely custom. Obviously there’s people who do steal assets and such and they are not real developers but there’s the legit developers that create EVERYTHING from scratch.
@carmine folio Since you're on the Nodus discord, that probably the best example of why life communities generally have a bad reputation.
Almost all of the models that are in the showcase channel are stolen (mostly ripped from other games).
They have pending DMCA's etc, so yea, a really good example 😄

carmine folio Jul 6, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I Don’t support nodus

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I say in the discord how they’re stealing content

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I get muted

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Nd messages deleted

lone basin Jul 6, 2020, 6:04 PM

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And outside of that, most of them are above toxic (both developpers and owners), they think to now everything about Arma, Law, and whatnot

carmine folio Jul 6, 2020, 6:05 PM

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might be because the legit servers are just smaller and lesser known, and don't attract attention by stealing stuff
@soft egret Yes I know many small community’s need literally everything they have is custom not one thing is stolen

stoic beacon Jul 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I'm not saying you are, just bringing up nodus since you were on that discord and probably have seen their stuff

fossil basalt Jul 6, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Your question has been answered Alex..

faint nacelle Jul 6, 2020, 8:50 PM

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@delicate hamlet why does the life server have to be profitable?

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That idea is perhaps my biggest dislike in the genre.

fossil basalt Jul 6, 2020, 8:53 PM

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If a server is in it for a profit, they're in it for the wrong reason.

delicate hamlet Jul 6, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I knew a couple of persons that tried monetizing "slots" for a life a couple of years back. Didnt work as you said 😄

dry quest Jul 10, 2020, 6:00 AM

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of about 100 life servers I know. I know literally 2 who make their own stuff and don't steal
@soft egret I would like to know who the 2 are because I haven't found any yet...

spark bay Jul 10, 2020, 12:04 PM

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@carmine folio @dry quest Please don't mention Bohemia.net staff members. See rule #2

soft egret Jul 10, 2020, 12:45 PM

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@dry quest reallife rpg a german one, and some other small german one who's name I don't remember

sinful geode Jul 10, 2020, 12:57 PM

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@spark bay I don't think that rule applies when you're replying to their messages.

spark bay Jul 10, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Yeah maybe @sinful geode This rule is a bit wishy-washy

soft egret Jul 10, 2020, 1:16 PM

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If its for a good reason, that rule doesn't apply

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If its something important, or literally just the discord quote feature automatically doing it, its fine

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If you just do it to get a quicker reply because you're impatient as duck, then its not fine

spark bay Jul 10, 2020, 2:01 PM

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k

vale stone Jul 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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any comments regarding making maps from another game? would one have to create a likeness with changed features and names or is it best to avoid altogether?

faint nacelle Jul 13, 2020, 8:01 PM

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if its recreated from ground up without using any data from the other game it should be fine. So just a likeness, not direct copy

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some names could be protected though

vale stone Jul 13, 2020, 8:07 PM

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perfect, thank you goat

soft egret Jul 19, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@carmine folio

sure looks like him
where did you get that idea? thats just a random twitch account, anyone can create that in a manner of seconds

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Hey, question- I'm working on a fix for my unit mod that cleans up the main menu screen to the bare minimum (as shown here: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697487501719371907/735001052205809664/unknown.png?width=1127&height=634 ), but I wanted to ask if we're able to remove the footer at the bottom of the screen, or if we're required to keep that in for copyright reasons

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Wasn't sure where to ask

faint nacelle Jul 21, 2020, 6:14 AM

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To be on the safe side I would not remove it.

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Gotcha- what about modifying the footer to keep the text exactly as-is, but just removing the black box in the background?

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And also, I've heard it's against the rules to change the A3 logo on the main menu- does anybody know if this is the case? Something like this is what I'm talking about; https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/679461619864043540/735028841965420715/unknown.png?width=1127&height=634

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(This is from a private dev build, and not uploaded on workshop)

faint nacelle Jul 21, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I don't really see why you would do such a thing.

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Just looking for official dev input to stay on the safe side

faint nacelle Jul 21, 2020, 7:10 AM

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I'd guess you could write to BI legal support

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Generally I think that may be at least frowned upon.

fossil basalt Jul 21, 2020, 7:11 AM

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If you want an official position:


For many years this community has been known as the premium addon/mod creating community, people work tirelessly and in great detail to create fantastic addons/mods/missions/campaigns to release for free so that everyone benefits, including Bohemia Interactive. There are a few simple rules in place to provide the respect to these creative people/groups that they deserve:

The first and most fundamental rule is that you must seek permission to alter someone's work, to mirror it or use it in any way other than for personal use. No permission, no editing, no mirroring, no adding to your mod pack, no editing and sharing around your private squad, none of that is acceptable.

On these forums you must follow this rule, if a person/team post a thread to share an addon/mod using content from someone else without permission and we receive a complaint then the mod thread will be closed until the issue is resolved and the forum member(s) risks being permanently banned from these forums for taking someone's work without permission.

This isn't just limited to re-using content in addons/mods/missions however, it's not acceptable to edit someone's work without permission and then to post screenshots of it on the forums (even if the edited addon/mod is purely for personal use), it's also not acceptable to edit someone's work, or use someone's work in any way that you don't have permission for and then to create videos which you post on these forums, doing any of the above without the permission of the original creators risks a permanent ban, for individuals, for whole mod teams or squads.

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So, you can take the answer that says "no", or you can follow HorribleGoat's suggestion and contact BI legal.

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Gotcha, I'll hold off then

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Any idea where this is from @fossil basalt? Just so I have it for reference

fossil basalt Jul 21, 2020, 7:16 AM

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These are the official rules from Bohemia Interactive.
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/54604-forum-rules/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Forum Rules

Bohemia Interactive Forum Rules Please respect the following rules when you post on this board. Breaking any of these rules may result in a warning, infraction or post restriction (PR) for a set period of time or in extreme cases can result in a permanent ban. 1) No Flaming/Fl...

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Also, orange name tag indicates Moderator, so I'm not spouting random things.

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:17 AM

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Oh no, I got that

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Just wanted to have it for my own reference

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Sounds good, I'll work around it, thanks for the info!

fossil basalt Jul 21, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Best bet is to contact the legal dept if you think you can explain what it is you would like to do. Otherwise, if you do it without permission, the result may be less than pleasing to you.

scarlet patrol Jul 21, 2020, 7:26 AM

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@fossil basalt
though that rule was meant mainly modder to modder
wouldn't what hes trying to do be a similar thing to just changing an UI element or a vehicle texture?

fossil basalt Jul 21, 2020, 7:28 AM

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That's a question best asked of and answered by BI Legal. When they make a ruling, we enforce it.

scarlet patrol Jul 21, 2020, 7:29 AM

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oh I see
always though it was free range since there are pretty old and notorius mods like Breaking point who have a completely custom menu

fossil basalt Jul 21, 2020, 7:31 AM

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When it comes to the legal minefield that is BI, it is best to never assume and always seek permission. Worst case scenario is telling someone that it "should be fine", then having to ban them because its prohibited.

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Asking permission should always be step one, its the right (and nice) thing to do.

scarlet patrol Jul 21, 2020, 7:35 AM

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yeah

soft egret Jul 21, 2020, 7:47 AM

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@tribal crest I would not remove it, but removing the background (if text is still readable) should be fine, or just moving it into the corner, instead of bottom center if thats sufficient for your needs

I think your screenshot is already without black border? That looks fine, but moving it into a corner would look better I think.

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Oh no, I don’t mean the “2013-2020 Bohemia Interactive” text, I mean the actual Arma 3 logo at the top

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I fully intend to keep that text

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I mean having a mod logo where the Arma 3 logo usually would be- is that frowned on or is that good to go?

manic laurel Jul 21, 2020, 7:54 AM

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hmm yeah, ask Bohemia 🙂

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(and update us here if possible 🙂)

tribal crest Jul 21, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Sure, will do

soft egret Jul 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Aah the logo on top....
Is that just for your unit internally?
You could also just move the Arma logo as a small logo to the left of Singleplayer. Just like the exit symbol on the right, have a Arma 3 symbol on the top left, maybe a bit bigger than just the exit symbol

vivid wave Jul 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2172276194
This MOD really seems suspicious

Steam Workshop::KamAZ Typhoon Truck (Kung)

somber cliff Jul 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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how so? looks like a reskin and some config edits to me

vivid wave Jul 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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No. Not just a reskin, but “custom model” using Arma 3 models

stoic beacon Jul 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Best to report it to BI

echo orchid Jul 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

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exterior is A3, with added interior

vivid wave Jul 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Seems the interior is also from A3, Marid I assume?

stoic beacon Jul 21, 2020, 11:48 AM

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These seats look familar, pretty sure it's from a different a3 model yea

echo orchid Jul 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

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no idea, but i actually requested BI to allow me to do an interior from scratch and allow me to send it back to them to get it into the game

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that was a few years ago

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they said no

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so there's that

stoic beacon Jul 21, 2020, 11:51 AM

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But you can report to BI first, if they say they don't have enough proof, you can still do that

echo orchid Jul 21, 2020, 11:53 AM

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https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Kamaz_Typhoon

Wikiwand

Kamaz Typhoon | Wikiwand

Kamaz Typhoon is a family of Russian multi-functional, modular, armoured, mine resistant MRAP vehicles manufactured by the Russian truck builder Kamaz. The Typhoon family is part of Russia's Typhoon program. As of May 2020, the number of Typhoons in the Russian Armed Forces fl...

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at least if this bloke would have spent some time doing something on his own

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rather than do this hackjob

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but whatever, pretty sure he things that's "modding"

soft egret Jul 21, 2020, 12:15 PM

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yeah send that along to infringements

radiant onyx Jul 23, 2020, 9:24 AM

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To whom it may concern,

Check this Maps Mega RePack out:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1991398730

``
Angola Maps - IceBreakr
Anizay - Temppa
AORAKI3 - Luca86iTA
ARC Farkhar Valley - Soronelite
Bariga - Kraut
BSOC Brasil - GSTAVO
Deniland - Marko
Fallujah - [TAC] CraveMode
Eladeen - Luca
G.O.S Al Rayak - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Dariyah - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Gunkizli - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Kalu Khan - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Leskovets - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S N'ziwasogo - GOS_Makhno
G.O.S Song Bin Tahn - GOS_Makhno
Rura Penthe [BETA] - Ghost Fox
Asteroid Field - turfy
NAPF Island - Szwagier
NAPF Winter - Nosko
Cherno 2055 - Crazy Mike
Namalsk - VileAce (Sumrak)
St. Kap - {God-Father}
Archipelago - Ben
HEBONTES MILITARY TRAINING GROUND - Franz, Hunger
Pulau - Temppa

``

soft egret Jul 23, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Namalsk - VileAce
Actually.. Namalsk - Sumrak.

radiant onyx Jul 23, 2020, 9:30 AM

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probably listed latest source he ripped from

soft egret Jul 23, 2020, 9:31 AM

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He took the authorized Arma 3 port, but I would atleast always list the terrain author if I state "who" made a terrain.
That guy apparently didn't even go to the effort to read the first lines of the terrains workshop description

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Hello, after i saw that remodelling vanilla vehicles apparently isnt covered, i was wondering of if retexturing is? And where is the line with changing vanilla stuff?

carmine folio Jul 25, 2020, 8:07 AM

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@tall oxide Retextures of vanilla vehicles are fine and are commonly found on steam WS

faint nacelle Jul 25, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Retexturing in the way of hiddenselections and new texture files.

The objects themselves are not touched at all in retexturing process.

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Can i retexture everything or only the objects that have the texture file in the config shown?

soft egret Jul 25, 2020, 8:06 PM

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you can only apply retextures to objects with hiddenSelectionTextures

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so only if texture is also in config

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:11 PM

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And anything else would require ripping the object so thats a nogo?

soft egret Jul 25, 2020, 8:13 PM

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ye

quick hull Jul 25, 2020, 8:15 PM

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🤔 question in that case of seeing some projects retexturing houses since you can't utilize hidden selection for house objects baked in to a map as they will always go for the default texture and there is no definition in the placement data line for fetching a different texture if I remember correctly

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Do houses have hidden textures?

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Wanted to retexture one for a long time

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@quick hull how about the cup interior mod that replaces the cup houses with the new livonia houses. They might be objects which can have replaced textures?

soft egret Jul 25, 2020, 8:25 PM

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If you see retextured vanilla houses, report to infringements@bistudio.com We just had a case a month or two ago

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Was taken care of pretty quickly

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:26 PM

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:'l

quick hull Jul 25, 2020, 8:28 PM

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If the base model is yours and you are calling someone else's textures.. like base game or so, technically you are just calling against what exists so not touching the others work

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:29 PM

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How does that help, or how could that be used?
Also that doesnt sound to convincing legally

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I found the different BI licenses available, but under what licenses do vanilla models fall?

crystal talon Jul 25, 2020, 8:33 PM

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none of those

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Lol

crystal talon Jul 25, 2020, 8:33 PM

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those are just community licenses, available for mods and the A2/A1/OFP datapacks

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if they are the ones I'm thinking of

tall oxide Jul 25, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Yes

quick hull Jul 25, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Something like you are making a terrain, and using one of a3's terrains texture for your terrain, you are calling it from outside directly towards that texture location

faint nacelle Jul 25, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Basically, you want more than simple retextures you need to make new models.

eternal cradle Jul 26, 2020, 7:03 PM

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found a mod on workshop that bundles the ace-rhs compat mods into one, don't see much original work. is this a copyright violation? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1956960252

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... it contains all of ace as well, so i'm guessing it is now

tall oxide Jul 26, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Nah im sure the guy is the true author of all of ace and rhs

low pebble Jul 26, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Illegal reupload.@tall oxide @eternal cradle

eternal cradle Jul 26, 2020, 8:52 PM

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reading into it further it appears the ace license allows for limited reuploads under certain circumstances

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not sure if that mod qualifies or not, up to them to decide

soft egret Jul 26, 2020, 8:53 PM

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ACE team doesn't care, ACE license allows it, steam subscriber agreement doesn't allow it

remote rivet Jul 27, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Its bad that steam doesnt allow creators to allow their stuff to be reuploaded. Ive put "Feel free to add to community modpacks without credit" in all my mods but steam wouldnt care.

tall oxide Jul 27, 2020, 8:38 AM

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Probably to much work to keep in control over whats legal and what isnt

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And in a world where so much Content theft exists, ill take that over uncontrolled uploads

dull moon Jul 27, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Its bad that steam doesnt allow creators to allow their stuff to be reuploaded. Ive put "Feel free to add to community modpacks without credit" in all my mods but steam wouldnt care.
one of the reasons for this is, that steam requires certain rights to the mod granted that only the original author is able to give

echo orchid Jul 27, 2020, 9:05 AM

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@remote rivet lol dude. it’s also bad that people are not allowed to take full advantage of other people’s work, isn’t it. especially since all mods belong to bi anyways /s

manic laurel Jul 27, 2020, 9:08 AM

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reuploaded *if the author allows it @echo orchid

echo orchid Jul 27, 2020, 9:11 AM

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@manic laurel the author can actually allow it, if his/her license is open source

manic laurel Jul 27, 2020, 9:14 AM

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ACE team doesn't care, ACE license allows it, steam subscriber agreement doesn't allow it
apparently not?

echo orchid Jul 27, 2020, 9:17 AM

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afaik ace license isn’t open source

manic laurel Jul 27, 2020, 9:18 AM

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we were talking about reuploads only

echo orchid Jul 27, 2020, 9:19 AM

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just because you write in your readme - we allow steam reuploads doesn’t negate the fact that steam tos requires the author to share his/her IP with valve on upload for commercial purposes

rapid cypress Jul 27, 2020, 9:19 AM

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iirc the problem with the steam subscriber agreement is that the uploader has to have legal ownership over the content they're uploading so that they can then allow steam to distribute it

echo orchid Jul 27, 2020, 9:19 AM

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yeah, well aware about what we are talking about

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it’s hardly a problem for most.

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a mod maker for arma can set his own license in such a way that things can be re-uploaded

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steam tos requires people who upload to either be the original author or have sufficient rights over the content they are uploading

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if i were to give someone specific permission to upload to SW, i should also need to share my IP with that person, or simply state that a forfeit any and all IP rights, otherwise it is null in regards to what steam tos requires

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again, i don’t see steam tos as a bad thing, since that sort of limits (legally) any sort of ripped content etc

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in regards to ace, afaik all parts under GNU can be re-uploaded under steam tos

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everything is else that isn’t covered cannot (either cc or apl)

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https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/master/LICENSE

low pebble Jul 27, 2020, 10:57 AM

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@tall oxide @remote rivet Read up and go learn a bit. There's a good reason i said its illegal ^

remote rivet Jul 29, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Except it isnt illegal. If i say anyone can reupload content i made then there is no reason they cant. From the discussions above steam wouldnt care unless i for whatever reason rescinded my consent.

remote rivet Jul 29, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Oh i see what you were talking about.

reef tree Jul 29, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Name a system you cannot do that?

remote rivet Jul 29, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Thats a problem for all content host and theres no perfect answer. The most common solution is take down the content until its been mediated. Trolls will be trolls

broken hornet Jul 29, 2020, 7:03 AM

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a steam specific solution would be requiring users to sign in to file a claim

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but I imagine they can’t do that as the rights holder may not have steam or something

fossil basalt Jul 29, 2020, 7:16 AM

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@remote rivet

Except it isnt illegal. If i say anyone can reupload content i made then there is no reason they cant. From the discussions above steam wouldnt care unless i for whatever reason rescinded my consent.

Except for Steam explicitly stating that you cannot. This isn't the first time you've tried advocating the infringement of other's IP rights.

fossil basalt Jul 29, 2020, 7:39 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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Regarding "making up things" that you've obviously done previously.

manic laurel Jul 29, 2020, 8:52 AM

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FM is not purple? 🤨

echo orchid Jul 29, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Cant you do copyright claims on steam with false info and sttill get content down
@plucky kernel you cannot

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you argue for the sake of argument?

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i had 3 diff people falsely claim copyright infringement

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on RHS uploads, neither afrf or usaf was taken down by valve

fossil basalt Jul 29, 2020, 10:55 AM

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@plucky kernel Filing a false DMCA is illegal. Do not spread false info.

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So, why are you seemingly endorsing such a thing?

echo orchid Jul 29, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Because steam takes down anything at the request of a DMCA
@plucky kernel that is 100% false

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dude, take a hike, you are talking bull

fossil basalt Jul 29, 2020, 10:56 AM

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@plucky kernel I will say it more clearly. Continue and you will no longer be here.

edgy coralBOT Jul 29, 2020, 10:58 AM

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*fires them railguns at @plucky kernel* Ò_Ó
Timur#9366 now has 2 infractions.

echo orchid Jul 29, 2020, 10:59 AM

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good grief you are both wrong and shortsighted. i am talking from first hand experience, having over 1000 dmca filled with steam, and also having to counter claim false dmcas

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ahh shoot, ok duck that one

fossil basalt Jul 29, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Just a reminder, Discord (not just us) prohibit users from using the Service in order to:


-engage in conduct that is fraudulent or illegal or otherwise harmful to Discord or any other user;

-violate the contractual, personal, intellectual property or other rights of any party including using, uploading, transmitting, distributing, or otherwise making available any information made available through the Service in any manner that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other right of any party (including rights of privacy or publicity);```

soft egret Jul 29, 2020, 12:53 PM

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then there is no reason they cant
except there is a reason and that is steam not allowing it.

soft egret Aug 10, 2020, 12:06 AM

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reuploads yes

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dependencies no

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looks like a reupload, but also lots of depndencies 🤔

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3CB BAF reupload, MBG killhouses, COS (that spanish thing), op4

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"uk3cb_baf_weapons_ammo.pbo"
"uk3cb_baf_equipment.pbo"
"uk3cb_baf_weapons_static.pbo"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/1948562161
@sweet minnow ^

soft egret Aug 10, 2020, 12:29 AM

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@deep ingot the above is a illegal mod reupload to the workshop, violating our #rules, take it down immediately.

ember lintel Aug 10, 2020, 12:40 AM

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He was typing

rapid cypress Aug 10, 2020, 12:40 AM

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He's been typing for a while

ember lintel Aug 10, 2020, 12:41 AM

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oh my

sweet minnow Aug 10, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@soft egret thx

patent flicker Aug 10, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Reupload of RHS AFRF & USAF, 3CB, and a bunch of other stuff including some of mine @echo orchid @sweet minnow
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2089012755

dull moon Aug 10, 2020, 3:07 PM

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PuFu, i hate you now.......
you made me curious about the deepscan results, so i ran some scans
holy 🦆... those are many

river spear Aug 10, 2020, 6:27 PM

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@dull moon I can help you configure the exclusion filter correctly so you're not looking for the wrong files

dull moon Aug 10, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i sorted to p3d matches only

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all good

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but thx

sweet minnow Aug 11, 2020, 1:40 PM

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@patent flicker thx

echo orchid Aug 11, 2020, 3:28 PM

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@patent flicker cheers, it also contains @chilly silo sheet

chilly silo Aug 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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@echo orchid thanks

small kindle Aug 13, 2020, 10:19 PM

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https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/modern-forward-military-base-kit-145564

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^ Not so much an A3 workshop thing, but this dude DEFINITELY ripped the A3 Cargo buildings and hex barriers and just retextured them.

faint nacelle Aug 13, 2020, 10:22 PM

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looks like it. report that to infringements@bistudio.com please

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@small kindle

rustic copper Aug 13, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Some items look like it's ripped, but I don't believe it is. Quality of the models seem to be too low and most items are slightly different from Arma assets.

But report it anyway, doesn't hurt to have it checked by someone more skilled than me 😉

faint nacelle Aug 13, 2020, 10:42 PM

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could be some of the lower lods or even mlods (last one)

carmine folio Aug 13, 2020, 10:46 PM

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do other communities count?

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stolen rhs models? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2181079726

faint nacelle Aug 13, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@echo orchid 👆

echo orchid Aug 13, 2020, 11:05 PM

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@carmine folio they count yes, cheers, rekting

carmine folio Aug 13, 2020, 11:07 PM

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job well done

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:40 AM

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@elder kayak DMCA is "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" (iirc) and it is a shortcut for saying "claim it/take it down"

elder kayak Aug 14, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Okay, and what’s the process/who do I have to talk with?

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Thank you very much for the help man

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Contact Steam with evidence, boom, goodbye

elder kayak Aug 14, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Okay, at literally their steam support?

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:41 AM

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I believe there is a report button on the Steam page

elder kayak Aug 14, 2020, 6:41 AM

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Okay, but won’t they just be able to reupload again?

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:42 AM

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🐮 perhaps
But I also believe that if one gets DMCA'd too much, he gets his Steam account banned so maybe they will be careful

Have you tried talking to them first?

elder kayak Aug 14, 2020, 6:43 AM

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We’ll make contact with them tomorrow, I just wanted to know if I can take it a step further or if that’s a possibility

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Thanks a lot for the help man! I really appreciate it!

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:50 AM

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We like our Original Content creators and want to protect them :)

fossil basalt Aug 14, 2020, 6:51 AM

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To be clear ( I dont see it stated anywhere) only the original content creator may file a DMCA. What is the mod in question?

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What is DMCA: https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

vivid wave Aug 14, 2020, 6:54 AM

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Worth of a pinning to this channel?

fossil basalt Aug 14, 2020, 6:56 AM

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fossil basalt What is DMCA: https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 6:57 AM

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First channel pin!

elder kayak Aug 14, 2020, 7:40 AM

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May I privately message you @fossil basalt ? Sorry for the ping

fossil basalt Aug 14, 2020, 7:41 AM

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yes

forest merlin Aug 14, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I'd like to report a mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2182438750&searchtext=LAMBS

dull moon Aug 14, 2020, 7:20 PM

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@forest merlin
Report to the creator

manic laurel Aug 14, 2020, 7:21 PM

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@half holly perhaps? ^

burnt oak Aug 14, 2020, 8:48 PM

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nkenny, joko and me are aware of the numerous reuploads. Right now we have not taken action at any reuploads.

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We already started to receive bug reports from older versions and general other reuploads that changed the server keys, so we will probably start acting soon on it.

dull moon Aug 14, 2020, 8:53 PM

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receive bug reports from older versions
this was the turning point where we started to enforce DMCAs

burnt oak Aug 14, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Yeah, it is really annoying. "oh i use this one that has all of them in it, the server i play on does not let me join now anymore, pls fix"

simple grove Aug 16, 2020, 1:10 PM

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i have a question, that there was a workshop crawler before, about this and copyright.,

rapid cypress Aug 16, 2020, 1:10 PM

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The workshop crawler still exists https://sqi.workshopcrawler.com/

simple grove Aug 16, 2020, 1:11 PM

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if 3rd person (not a modder for that mod) , report that mod, is that also applied to steam as well?

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like some kind of modpack.. or something like that

manic laurel Aug 16, 2020, 1:12 PM

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reuploads being AFAIK forbidden on the Steam Workshop, anyone can report one

simple grove Aug 16, 2020, 1:13 PM

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ah it was not a matter of sueing or something. thanks

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thought only maker could report it

rapid cypress Aug 16, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Well you can't DMCA it

rustic copper Aug 16, 2020, 1:17 PM

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Steam has the option to report content on the workshop even when you're not the owner.
Only DMCA's can be issued by the owners

tall oxide Aug 18, 2020, 9:46 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1629580194

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star wars content

rapid cypress Aug 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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TIL that SW Opposition has stuff on the workshop