welp, we all know where this is going now
#ip_rights_violations
merry kestrel
chilly silo
Sorry, do you think that the bold bit entitles anyone to upload any content?
bitter sierra
stop spreading lies.
merry kestrel
the only one spreading lies is you
soft egret
I agree ^ Stop.
bitter sierra
The fucking intent of my argument was not doing things without permission.
It was that the people that don't grant permission are idiots.
merry kestrel
yes it was
narrow topaz
There's also the bit in 6A that says by uploading you give Steam ```
worldwide, non-exclusive, right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings
I am not even going to argue, because you are beyond reasoning
dull moon
It was that the people that don't grant permission are idiots.
wtf...? are you effing serious?
bitter sierra
You own the intellectual rights still when you upload to Steam, all you are granting them is the right to distribute your content.
Look, all I am saying is if you are going to make it harder for people to enjoy your content, why make it in the first place.
pz
fossil basalt
@bitter sierra I believe I've contributed enough to the Arma community to be allowed to say a number of things and have that be backed by experience. Yes, you have. I agree with that statement, but please lets not devolve to name calling and profanity.
narrow topaz
Even if you give someone permission to upload your work to Steam, they legally still can't.
Whether you as the IP owner pursue DMCAs is your own choice, however
dull moon
if YOU want to deal with bullshit issue reports of versions of your stuff that is ages old and fixed in the original upload, go ahead.
i don't want to deal with this bollocks just because some retard decided to upload my old bugged creation to steam just because he wants to and ppl who download the bugged version complaining to me and giving me shitstorm for shit that has been fixed
chilly silo
@narrow topaz , thats not actually true. If you are authroised by the Ip holder you can. But ONLY if you are authorised.
narrow topaz
Ahh, my bad then. I was under the impression that for Steam's legal purposes 6d superseded permission. Noted
fossil basalt
If you are authroised by the Ip holder you can the issue regarding this is when one member (of a mod team) approves it without the consent of the others.
as we had with Project Wetpaint
chilly silo
@narrow topaz Section 6D In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that **you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors**). You give someone permission and they are covered
you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors
fossil basalt
If there are 20 people on that mod team, it is highly recommended to have 20 signatures.
narrow topaz
How I'd always read that was ```
you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you, or...by you and...other contributors
or keep a good documented record and ONE distribution steam account and list them as contributors
fossil basalt
by you and the other contributors is "the group of 20" i referenced
Example below is how contributors should be listed
chilly silo
@narrow topaz I agree its not particulary clear but according to the lawyer i checked with if you grant someone that right. Then its not a problem
fossil basalt
(written permission)
soft egret
Yeah well the mod author can just say "you are now considered a contributor even if you didn't contribute anything yet"
That would get you around the "need to be contributor" part of the "need to be contributor AND have permission"
chilly silo
^^ Whot he ( @fossil basalt ) said π π
brisk ember
What the hell did I just read through...
"I want my mod available on this platform only, where I can always make sure everything is up to date and working. People will not download a faulty mod", apparently that makes someone "an idiot"?
fossil basalt
lets drop it.
brisk ember
Willdo
fossil basalt
Thanks
lone basin
np π
echo orchid
Early in ACE3 we tried to work with the group doing armor penetration for RHS... They asked Jaynus and I to look at their code, Jaynus looked at their code, made some edits, and less than 24 hours later gave it to them to look at and they then claimed he stole their code.
lol my man, no comment. not sure who you've been talking to, but whatever. What i remember is you asking me directly to get RHS to become ACEX, and you turn very sour when the group decision was no, we'll do our own thing.
My personal motto has always been collaboration or death.
You can do that yourself. You cannot force your motto on other people, not sure how hard that is to grasp for you
There has been, but for the longest time it was myself and a select few other people, the people working on CBA mostly
this has to be the cherry on the ducking cake.
dull moon
My bad, sorry
lone basin
You write stop like an angry german xD
fossil basalt
!clear @dull moon 3
echo orchid
@dull moon what did i miss
dull moon
I tagged stalker for wrong reasons
fossil basalt
She doesnt like commands in quick succession
echo orchid
unrelated to the FM/audiocustoms
this had to be the most autistic outburst i have seen from the same person
brisk ember
How dare you, Chris!
My poor soul
Isn't the "from the same person" a bit of a moot addition? :P
fossil basalt
goes to play Ylands
brisk ember
Is it enjoyable?
echo orchid
what you are trying to say is that the lawyer i am friends with, that deals exclusively with Intellectual Property rights, GDPR and Data Protection, that has been working for the past 15 years exclusively in this area, part of it for Google directly, is wrong, and you are right, and all off us are idiots, correct? @bitter sierra
da fuck have you been smoking?
brisk ember
Baked air
merry kestrel
love the fact that a "veteran" got a light slap of a wrist for acting insultingly, while anyone else would have been given a stern warning or even banned
soft egret
You cannot see what the moderators do behind the scenes or via PM
lone basin
you're not the only one xD
brisk ember
There we go
merry kestrel
I guess
but this isnt the right place to discuss that
if it needs to be discussed further that is
lone basin
Yeah but the mods are not here π΅
wraith comet
brisk ember
@fallow stag ^
fossil basalt
@lone basin We ARE here
carmine folio
"""All mods have been signed for our server, so the use on other servers is limited or not possible! There is no claim to copyright. https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike"""
wtf
brisk ember
Tard alert
wraith comet
yeah
wraith comet
last time i linked i was blamed for posting false information ... by the uploader xD
brisk ember
Who cares, DMCA shows up anyway
lone basin
Wtf, did they just put a licence and at the same time said they are not caliming copyright xD?
brisk ember
Probably just saying everything is licensed under APLSA
But the fuckberries even ignored JSRS' message in the description that says no Steam uploads
Who does the IP on HAFM?
merry kestrel
Aplion, although he is not here on this DIscord
brisk ember
Can someone send him a message?
keen trout
merry kestrel
@brisk ember sent him a message on the forums
brisk ember
@keen trout their Discord link expired π¦
lone basin
https://discordapp.com/invite/xtdPhKF
^ This one?
wraith comet
works for me
lone basin
Oh, works fine for me
broken veldt
Dedmen - 2019-02-16 11:18 -08:00
There is literally no need to rip stuff out of a mod, rename it, and pretend you made it
What about wanting to edit a mod, getting rid of actions they deem useful but are not to your group/break compatibility with other mods you want to use, etc? I think that's a big part of people wanting to use custom repos - to have both version control and the ability to customize the actual addons. A few addons out there that do not allow reuploads but contain an ACRE/TFAR pbo that is not compatible with a modpack with the alternative radio mod
Of course I think the argument to have the base version/standard version of the mod on the workshop and not have a billion other versions is very sound. But for packages of reuploaded mods that would not be confused with the standard/official versions, I am not so sure
lone basin
They do a private repo then I guess. If every one starts to modify just a bit of code and then reupload it, we'll end up if 1000s of version of the same mod. The role of the author is to ensure that his mod is working properly and whit no conflict to other mod (that are not in the same "domain" as the mod)
Also, if everyone does that. You'll need to download the mod again and again for each thing. Thus removing all benefits of deleting unwanted features
broken veldt
But you cannot upload custom packages/steam workshop items with other mods inside them, custom or not. It is either use the mod in the state the author has uploaded it to the workshop or use a custom repo. Quite unfortunate.
wheat wave
you can make custom mods of your own to edit stuff and remove features you dont want
wheat wave
by that i mean make your own mod that updates classes of other mods
brisk ember
Oh like that
wheat wave
not actually taking the mods and edit them and then redistribute them
broken veldt
yes, create an addon that has to delete unwanted useraction classes, recompile functions, etc. Entirely possible, entirely tiring.
brisk ember
And your only solution
broken veldt
There's also the added possibility of a patch having an extra level of version control needed
brisk ember
So you either make time for it or deal with the bug
broken veldt
and no, solution is to not use steam workshop
lone basin
@broken veldt The issue with reupload is that everyone deletes a small part of a mod, patches something and then, when you play in 3 different server, you will have to redownload the entiere mod for 3 small modification. Even if they have deleted things. Every time you'll want to join a new one, you will have to redownload all of that.
wheat wave
@broken veldt that's your problem for wanting a mod made by someone else to do something you want
broken veldt
That's an... interesting thing to say
wheat wave
it's not really possible for a mod maker like rhs or cup to cater to the requests of 1mln people
brisk ember
And they really shouldn't
wheat wave
so either do it yourself or take it as it is
brisk ember
Their mod, their view, don't like it, don't use it
lone basin
So if let's say we have a 1gb mod that allows reupload: X will delete 500mb of unused models and Y will add 15mb while Z will delete 100mb. Now you download 2.5gb instead of 1 just to play with a small modfication. As said above, you could just do a patch
wheat wave
not really sure what kind of answer you're looking for here
this is how the arma community and mods work
broken veldt
Not looking for an answer, stating how unfortunate that the benefit of the ease of use of the steam workshop is null for groups that want to heavily modify their modpack on account of the lack of version control and inability to reupload items of collections of mods. Correct way, to have each mod be the original steam workshop item subscription, could result in dozens of potential updates whenever the mod authors push their updates and can easily break a server's modpack. So with the enforcement against mod packs like that, servers should just stick to private repos unless they are completely content with the latest versions and the as-is state of the mods on the workshop.
wraith comet
No one is forced to use the workshop
dull moon
dis
broken veldt
"Boy it sure would be great if groups could upload collections of mods that are heavily customized to ease the burden of subscribing to dozens of mods that can easily break a modpack"
"No one is forced to use the workshop"
Both of these statements are correct, and it is just unfortunate.
brisk ember
Well people can also not use dozens of mods π
broken veldt
yeah, play vanilla you casuals
brisk ember
Not what I said nor meant
broken veldt
sarcasm my man
wheat wave
oh boy
fossil basalt
@broken veldt What about wanting to edit a mod Don't even attempt it without permission to do so without the original authors permission. (Bannable Offence)
heady stump
You can patch mods by inheriting values and creating your own instances of the same thing, not reuploading. Just new config
brisk ember
Mods within APLND for example
heady stump
So if you really wanted to change something core to the mod, you could without reuploading it. But it would be your own upload.
broken veldt
It just requires yet another subscription
fossil basalt
edit a mod says nothing about a config.
brisk ember
Well that's what people will have to live with
If author says no to editing or reuploads
wraith comet
Example "mod editing", some ppl reported that my suidice bomber addon was broken on their server -> caused by editing and reuplpading my mod on their repo(WS) and blaming me on my discord im too stupid to fix it....
brisk ember
People can either respect the author's wishes or the author may completely stop development with everyone at a loss
fossil basalt
I'm not in the mood to deal with semantics. If you alter someone else's mod without consent, you should expect a permanent ban.
dull moon
if one wants to modify what CUP has, here is our source data:
https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/licensed-data-packages
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
broken veldt
Do you consider patching with a separate pbo "altering" someone's mod?
broken veldt
That's how I would see it as well
brisk ember
Doesn't contain any of the original mods content
Just a config that changes values right?
fossil basalt
a separate PBO without altering the original or unpacking the original to make the changes no.
brisk ember
Wouldn't you need to unpack to find the right values to override?
wraith comet
ConfigViewer and functionViewer
broken veldt
I mean, you could just guess π or preprocess haha
lone basin
Config Viewer
brisk ember
Oh true of course ignore me
fossil basalt
Peeking into someone else work to see how they have done something is one thing, ripping it open to expose its guts so that you may change things is another kettle of fish.
intent and context is everything.
broken veldt
So subscribing to all author versions/workshop versions of addons, including ones with compatibility pbos that conflict with other addons of your servers modpack, and having a combined "compatibility/override patch addon" that nullifies those conflicting pbos/configs would be the way to do it on the workshop
You'd just be at the mercy of any author that decided to update a class or config entry that breaks either the rest of your modpack or the compatibility addon of yours. I feel like a lot of those issues could be solved with "branches/release versions" of workshop items
chilly silo
And the prize for pedantic trolling goes to...
broken veldt
You don't think I at least have somewhat of a point?
chilly silo
tbh i think you are being overly pedantic. I think FM's message reads loud and clear.
fossil basalt
@broken veldt You are very close to being removed. I have been very clear.
brisk ember
Yes you have a point about versioning and branches, we've discussed them a lot before. We don't need to go over them again π
dull moon
You'd just be at the mercy of any author that decided to update a class or config entry that breaks either the rest of your modpack or the compatibility addon of yours
you are aware that mod makers talk to each other, right?
brisk ember
Sssshttt that's backroom stuff
dull moon
many of the compatibility between mods happens in the background
fossil basalt
@dull moon slow your roll π
brisk ember
be square
dull moon
huh?
brisk ember
it'll help with not rolling π
dull moon
did i do smth wrong?
fossil basalt
take 10 seconds and say Wacken 10 times
dull moon
oh... god no...
that wasn't offensive at all π
fossil basalt
Wacken, much in the way the Dutch say wooden shoes, π
dull moon
i just wanted to point out that a lot of happens in the background related to compatibility
brisk ember
We don't say wooden shoes
dull moon
but it takes time
brisk ember
klompen!
brisk ember
That's a city and cheese, well done, grate job π
fossil basalt
its Centraal to the story
fossil basalt
No, but ive been to the Dam in Amster a few times
fossil basalt
lol, anyway... there is always #offtopic_arma
brisk ember
there is, but not as much fun π
wraith comet
Question, is donating to access a mod beta allowed ?
wraith comet
"Full community forum Access
Full server access for Beta
Full server access on release
dull moon
i'd say so too
soft egret
and monetizing mods is not allowed
wraith comet
soft egret
server access, not mod access
wraith comet
Oh my fault
fossil basalt
There is a right way and a wrong way to do things.
echo orchid
so the discussion carries over in my absence on the same subject - but mod makers donβt make it easy enouf for dem users to put together modpacks as they see fit...why create a dependency mod when i can rip open and edit the existing one...nice bullshit
fossil basalt
Users are idiots. D/L the mod and use it as intended.
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1657726489
mbg_killhouses_a3.pbo
TFAR @soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1657792238
rksla3-aircraft_tug.pbo
TFAR
chilly silo
thanks ill deal with that shortly
chilly silo
I see Valve has updated their DMCA pages... its a bit shouty/in your face http://rock.rkslstudios.info/DMCA.JPG
soft egret
more just a general overhaul. The "report" button dialog on workshop items also looks different
opal dune
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1657449406
TFR is in the list: https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/scan/CKDHV94NAY9LJABCEZTG
probably others as well
wraith comet
brisk ember
can someone take this through the workshop crawler? Author states that they don't own the files in there (11th PD, should be here on Discord) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1657139721
soft egret
Kola's TFAR animations, Enhanced Movement, 3denEnhanced, cTab and tons more.
brisk ember
@fast schooner that's your unit, is it not?
if so, I recommend you sort that illegal upload out; https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6
soft egret
Why do you think that? Don't see any connection to the uploader
brisk ember
Because he posted the recruitment message for that unit
soft egret
Mid 2017.. okey
brisk ember
oh wait you're right
didn't see the date
could've sworn I saw a more recent one
Nah must've mistaken it with another group
Nevertheless, the modpack was uploaded yesterday
whut was that?
soft egret
none of their leads nor high ranking members are on arma discord
brisk ember
I'll post a comment on the page then
wraith comet
brisk ember
@dull moon ^
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1659536082
TFAR
HLC
rds_a2port_civ.pbo
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1658692732&searchtext=
TFAR
im sure ive seen someone posted it already here
brisk ember
was uploaded yesterday so little chance
wraith comet
i think ive seen "GamesVolt" reported here some time ago
brisk ember
probably another upload then
wraith comet
The will never learn it 
brisk ember
They need a workshop timeout
lone basin
GamesVolt was reported for illegal monetization iirc
wheat wave
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/armtd9/just_a_teaser_for_yall/ slightly related to channel topic?
wraith comet
and from where did gmod modder get the model ...
brisk ember
Found it on the streets in a dark alleyway
soft egret
Either bohemia forgot, or they weren't told about it
keen trout
Ripped from a rip ;) lol
brisk ember
sent an email to infringements with a link
fast schooner
@brisk ember Yeah that unit was a while ago, Iβm not affiliated or in contact with them any more.
brisk ember
Alright sorry for the mention then!
soft egret
Guy messages me about monetization permission. I look at BI's approved list, and oh wonder, that server has already been approved. How come they get approved already before even asking the mod author whether they are allowed to use the mod π€
And genius that new arma life server thing..
Modlist:
Arma 3 Life mods
CBA
Task Force Radio
Reds cars
Mh... looks into their A3Sync repo and finds over a dozen mods that are not allowed to be monetized at all mh... Yes... Yes yes...
I asked for a full modlist. And ofc they omit EVERYTHING that they have no permission to use
fossil basalt
Report it and I'll add it to the "list of issues with monetisation".
soft egret
Well I can't report that server because I've just given them permission. So right now everything is clear. But I don't know how long it's been since they have been approved without having my permission
carmine folio
TFR and a whole bunch of other stuff
don't see a single shard of origina content
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1659940182
We do not take any credit for the mod(s) in this pack and should not be considered as an official version of the original mod.
- Task Force Arma 3 radio (Edited to work with the phone.)
@soft egret
soft egret
TFAR 0.9 reuploads are usually tollerated if modified and given a name that doesn't look like it's in any way a official tfar upload
Dunno what TFAR version is in there tho
minor herald
I do find it odd that they felt the need to modify the addon to add phone functionality, but w/e lol
soft egret
There is API for exactly that. That's why I said "usually tollerated" If that modification is bullshit and they might aswell use the real version. then they should
brisk ember
Boxloader, Ares, Achilles, tons of compats https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1395610239&searchtext=RHS
Enhanced Movement, Laxemann Mount and others https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=927242166&searchtext=RHS
3CB RHS reskins, JSRS mods @sweet minnow @fallow stag https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1474687512&searchtext=RHS
soft egret
"This mod has a license, thus I can redistribute this"
brisk ember
@fallow stag another one with JSRS https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1628461943&searchtext=RHS
holy shit this amount https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1654487970&searchtext=RHS (all reuploads)
wraith comet
Why someone create 2 Workshop items to play ?
hidden scaffold
can someone help me out here, someone left a comment on the modlist file i use for my mission. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1654487970&tscn=1550577851
soft egret
We just talked about it a minute ago
All mods are it.
You cannot upload stuff to steam that you didn't make. The link in your comment says why
soft egret
As you can see if you scroll up a little. You aren't the only one ^^
But you are one of the rare people that fix their issue after being told about it.
Actually I've never seen anyone coming here and asking for help after getting such a comment on their workshop item. Most people just delete or ignore them
hidden scaffold
I just deleted it, everything should be fine now(i hope)
well, It doesnt take a genuious to know that these mod creators put alot of effort into making their mods. The fact that they dont want them reuploaded is understandable
soft egret
It's mostly not about the modders.
Steam forbids reuploading stuff that you didn't make. And also by reuploading stuff to steam you give them the right to redistribute and use it commercially. And you can't just give someone that right
hidden scaffold
fair enough, thanks for the help. I gotta go afk then fix this when im back
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1632593129
3denEnhanced, Kolas TFAR animations, HLC, Firewill, rksl attachments, 3CB Weapons, 3CB vehicles, 3CB units
and tons more.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1633259663
C.O.S. mod.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1633275107
TFAR animations
And that guy has another TFAR reupload that I will take care of today
trail mountain
At this rate you need to make a discord bot to do this for you!
soft egret
π€ mhh...... Not a bad idea π
trail mountain
How does the script for checking addons work?
soft egret
The workshop crawler? It downloads all mods, collects a list of files and saves it into a database
trail mountain
So simply, it maps every single workshop file to one huge database, then you just look at who uses your file?
soft egret
Yep that's essentially what it does
wraith comet
So the steam api can't directly read the wks content ?
soft egret
it kinda can. Not enough though #offtopic_arma ^^
brisk ember
considering his response, I don't think this guy will take down his uploads of HLC, and TFAR https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=787991345
"You can suck my dick" roughly translated.
carmine folio
Well unless you specifically own the IP all you can do is advise π€·
fossil basalt
@carmine folio TFAR dev 2 posts above yours
carmine folio
Exactly, but nightstalker was the one who posted
brisk ember
It's fine, can't reason with Russians anyway
carmine folio
Lets try to avoid the racism
brisk ember
Russian isn't a race, it's a nationality
carmine folio
Which comes under the definition of racism depending on which nation you are from
brisk ember
eh I don't think so?
it's more something towards stereotypes, right?
also pretty sure racism is based on the believe of a superior race, but sure mate
pastel hawk
On the topic here, I understand if mod makers themselves wanna go after the people re-uploading or modifying their mods.
pastel hawk
But others who aren't the IP holders wanting to hunt down the re-uploaders for some estranged sense of self-accomplishment?
carmine folio
@brisk ember Again lets avoid arguing about whether you're a racist or just discriminatory towards Russians and instead focus on the IP rights violations
faint nacelle
@pastel hawk possibly so
carmine folio
Your personal grievances aside, limited power unless you can ask permission from said IP holders to enforce
@pastel hawk Suppose there's a feel good factor for chasing down the baddies?
faint nacelle
I think you two should stop here
we all know this ends up in moderator intervention
and @pastel hawk does it matter if someone gets their kicks out of it?
brisk ember
the same as civs calling the police to report a crime. Feel-good or not, it helps purging of the criminals
faint nacelle
all communities work like that basically
pastel hawk
It matters when it's unnecessarily targeting others when most mod makers will meh at what's going on.
carmine folio
@faint nacelle There's a problem with chasing after people for IP rights violations (say HLC for example) when the original author does not own the IP rights
brisk ember
Toadie (NIArms) owns all the IP AFAIK
carmine folio
Nope
pastel hawk
Those that do care take steps and do ask people to report any reuploads, but a lot barring the majority of TFAR reuploads are older mods or with licenses allowing for this.
carmine folio
She openly highlights models are taken from open source material
On say gamebanna, which are GMOD weapons or CS models
pastel hawk
Using the Steam Workshop Licensing as an excuse to still remove them.
carmine folio
And injects them into ARMA
faint nacelle
its not an excuse.
brisk ember
Strike, that's not an excuse...
Murder being illegal neither isn't an excuse to lock up murders
pastel hawk
It is arguably an excuse.
faint nacelle
no
pastel hawk
I'm not talking about murder or other contexts, this is purely in this context here.
faint nacelle
rules have been broken
in all its simplicity
but also this channel is not for debating that
pastel hawk
Is that BI's official stance on this? That rules have been broken against their own licensing?
What channel is then HG?
faint nacelle
dunno
pastel hawk
I thought this was the best for bringing up IP dicsussions
faint nacelle
some offtopic one probably
brisk ember
"discuss the violations", not the concept of IP rights
faint nacelle
ok so you come off like you want to argue about stuff
carmine folio
Unfortunately given the discussion is about IP rights violation, this would be the most appropriate to focus the topic into one section
pastel hawk
Then you don't have to participate? This is aimed at bringing up these issues still as this has far reaching consequences on the ArmA modding community and the end user groups.
brisk ember
it has far reaching consequences for ignorant people uploading stuff they don't own and for the authors that have to deal with them. Not many others and certainly not the end user groups
carmine folio
@brisk ember I presume you contact the IP rights holders when you find these?
pastel hawk
How does this not effect end user groups like most communities who run their own modpack for version control, compatibility or their allowed modifications such as reskins as per the ArmA licensing?
carmine folio
On discord or the BI forums?
brisk ember
How does this not effect end user groups like most communities who run their own modpack for version control, compatibility or their allowed modifications such as reskins as per the ArmA licensing? Find yourself a forum that allows it. Steam doesn't. End of it.
faint nacelle
@pastel hawk have you followed this channel for long? As this topic has been debated so so so many times already
brisk ember
wherever I can find them
@carmine folio
Most of 'em through Discord or BIF
The "real" upload on the SW if necessary
pastel hawk
See that's the ignorance you should be looking at. You're ignorant of how the ArmA community actually functions and has functioned since ArmA and ACE.
HG, I've followed it and all the discussions were shut down due to arguing. Moderators seem keen to simply shut down any discussion that has to be had on this topic.
faint nacelle
this channel is not for arguing
so thats likely why youve been shut down
and likely will be again
brisk ember
It's really simple there mate; if the author says no reuploads or derivates, there shall be no publicly available uploads or derivatives
If the author allows it, sure go ahead
pastel hawk
I am not trying to argue the point, as much as that might seem considering the aggression you are giving on this.
faint nacelle
One thing that interests me here is that are you @pastel hawk a mod maker?
brisk ember
or, mod maker of original content
pastel hawk
That's the plan most want to follow NS, but then the Steam Licensing is being used to shut that down. When the Steam licensing is a general far reaching one to cover other games like Stellaris, Gmod and others. A clarification would be needed for a case like this.
Yeah, I do low level re-textures for RHS and Vanilla content in my community.
faint nacelle
most of the stuff on workshop are not legit uploads
pastel hawk
I'm no big shot, but I also work in evaluating and testing mods too.
Most of what I want, honestly. Is that people who abide by the ARMA licensing can continue to do so with modpacks.
brisk ember
They can, but not on the Steam Workshop
faint nacelle
Thing is, if you make a public modpack you screw over the mod makers
brisk ember
Feel free to set up ArmA3Sync or one of those other things
faint nacelle
whos content you so dearly would like to use
brisk ember
Mod allows sharing or editing? Good for you, just not on the SW.
Steam workshop Agreement >> Author's own license
which people agree to when they upload
pastel hawk
But that's the thinking that will hurt a lot of ArmA communities. Steam itself has never taken action against communities that are using the SW in that way.
pastel hawk
Near enough everyone moved to SW because of the ease of access for people to DL and update mods, that's why A3sync fell into the past.
faint nacelle
yes
brisk ember
Every single DMCA has been by the legit owner of the content (xcept for some grieving guy that DMCAd RHS)
If author didn't care, the workshop item wouldn't get removed
faint nacelle
but it being easy and everyone doing it does not make it right
brisk ember
author cares, it gets removed
faint nacelle
I dont think anything anyone says will change your mind though.
pastel hawk
Yes, as it should do NS. But I raised the point that authors who do care are already acting on that. Deltahawk is a good example with his uniforms.
fossil basalt
Wow. Who's getting removed?
broken hornet
False DMCAβs happen @brisk ember
brisk ember
They do yes but does the item get removed if the DMCA-issuer can't prove it's his content?
fossil basalt
I do believe you all were advised to stop almost 100 messages ago.
broken hornet
No, but the system can be abused
faint nacelle
well I did not quite heed my own advice either.. π
pastel hawk
I'm trying to merely raise the point that not all end users are maliciously abusing the mods as much as you seem to think. And that all you are doing is hurting other communities that are doing the right thing.
faint nacelle
sorry
fossil basalt
I'm waiting....
pastel hawk
But I see someone wants to bring in the mods so they can protect their echo chamber.
Carry on then
brisk ember
heh?
broken hornet
The way itβs currently set up someone can file with false info
Easily disputable, but still an annoyance
fossil basalt
Its a criminal act to file a false DMCA.
broken hornet
Yes, but itβs difficult to pursue legal action when then information they provide is false
also expensive lol
brisk ember
well wouldn't Steam be able to get most information from the Steam Profile?
safe arrow
And this happend to you, or why are you discussing this pure theory
brisk ember
or just block that account from filing DMCA's/use of workshop
brisk ember
Hm, wasn't aware of that option
fossil basalt
discuss there violations before sending email to infringements@bistudio.com , Arma 3 EULA : https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma3-end-user-license
broken hornet
Yeah , if they forced people to log it it would be way more effecient
fossil basalt
Do we have a violation to discuss that is going to be sent to BI?
broken hornet
I already sent it about a month ago
fossil basalt
If not, lets end this now.
brisk ember
question, can we get an offtopic-ipviolations for the kind of stuff people want to discuss that don't fit in here?
fossil basalt
fossil basalt
The description is already quite clear.
carmine folio
@fossil basalt Poor choice of words given how the description doesn't make sense with it's current wording
fossil basalt
Yes, BI are a Czech company, so their English isn't as good as mine is. However, it was mentioned almost 100 messages ago that this is not the place for it.
carmine folio
We can interpret what it means but it would be entirely non factual to state it is quite clear π
fossil basalt
I'll not repeat what I said earlier.
carmine folio
By the definition of the channel description this channel is not to be used for the discussion of Steam EULA violation. It is to be used for the violation of ARMA 3 EULA
I believe that to be the correct interpretation of this channel's intent
fossil basalt
Well, that makes 2 who cant follow instructions.
quaint junco
FM I think you are clearly abusing your position. You are trying to curb discussion about topics with made up rules and wrong interpretations of the english language just because they have a different opinion than you. You expect people to scroll up hundreds of messages to see something you said. You insult people https://imgur.com/WXV1BvI
Its the behaviour which is shown by people who like power over other people and don't see their position as a service to the community at large.
mild viper
Discord has message pinning for this exact Reason
brisk ember
Sigh, problem is that no one checks the pinned messages. There's no point.
quaint junco
So a user writes something a mod does not like, he gets banned.
hallow lark
When did that happen?
quaint junco
Scroll up.
tulip nexus
That's usually how moderation works in privately-owned websites
hallow lark
-FM-: I do believe you all were advised to stop almost 100 messages ago```
-FM-: I'm waiting....```
-FM-: #offtopic_arma```
-FM-: I'll not repeat what I said earlier.```
If you are dumb enough to keep going, I don't see any issue with you getting removed.
last gorge
wait, those are warnings of im going to ban you??
soft egret
User get's banned. Trolls come out of their holes and attack moderators.
Nothing new here. Just usual business.
quaint junco
Getting called a troll because I have an opinion.
brisk ember
No, not really. You can have your opinion. We collectively disagree though.
brisk ember
those that called him out is the collective I meant
it's a useless discussion however that can die out right about now. If you have issues, you can PM FM about it.
soft egret
Please just stop now. Leave the discussing to the moderators. Or go to #offtopic_arma if you really wanna continue
quaint junco
I'm done here. Said what I wanted to say.
echo orchid
not really sure what happened from what i was able to read above, but seems to be yet another case of my own/community needs trumps on the IP rights of content maker mentality
not sure why it would belong in here, since the official stance on the subject should be known by now
pliant oar
mumbles something while reading ALL the pages of this channel ...
wild fable
Better follow us to the #offtopic_arma channel before you get banned Dwarden.
fossil basalt
You're right, next time I won't give warnings.
pliant oar
due to popular demand #other_ip_topics has been spawned ...
wraith comet
where can I report ebos in wks uploads , tag mod or mail ? Prev. Post https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/547472132657905695
lone basin
Mail I think
faint nacelle
email address in the channel description
lone basin
Or iirc Dwarden also deals with EBOs
wraith comet
reported via mail
fossil basalt
Itβs amazing how that works.
flint topaz
I mean, FM did instruct to stop and take the conversation elsewhere.
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1611820805 KKA3 Animations, HLC, Enhanced Movement, rhs @echo orchid, ShackTac UI, ffaa,
They have been reported for unapproved monetization in the past. But can't confirm that right now.
A Admin on their TS moved me into his channel, he sounds to be about 10-14 years old.
tulip nexus
Why's it contain RHS and then have it as a dependency?
soft egret
Only some selected rhs afrf pbo's, I don't know why.
tulip nexus
hmm, maybe modified then
echo orchid
@soft egret cheers, DMCAed
brisk ember
pretty sure it is
wraith comet
warm tusk
Thanks @wraith comet will check it out for SFP.
proud flicker
Always these miracle addon-makers with high effort models and low effort presentations...
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221990-bmw-750-police/
a.k.a. probably a rip
soft egret
34minutes old forums account..
Please report that post and it will be looked into
Oh man.. He's a Player from ALRP π€¦
faint nacelle
Looks like what most of the cgtrader police cars look like. Might not be a rip but likely not his own.
echo orchid
Recently made a police car, based on the norwegian police vehicles
that doesn't really consider as "i made dis" material
besides:
a. rules of the forums means you need to write down ownership and credits (self made,, bought from A, download from B)
b. it is in complete section of the forums and there is no download link(s)
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1661794215&searchtext=
sfp_bas90.pbo
sfp_objects.pbo
mbg_xxx.pbo`s
@warm tusk
warm tusk
Thanks
chilly silo
3CB & ACE - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1614347311&searchtext=rksl @sweet minnow
sweet minnow
Thanks
chilly silo
np
wraith comet
stoic beacon
Republic Life monetizing Cup @dull moon
https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3
https://republic-life.net/topic/191-how-to-download-mods-for-republic-life/
Haven't had time to check their repo
Do you give out monetization approval for Cup?
dull moon
Have to check my documentation later, i'm at work atm. But tbh, i don't recall that community...
Are they on the approval list? If not, no permission was given
stoic beacon
They are on the list, Community is lead by Repentz
dull moon
Just saw they are on the approval list
Ok, no permission. Everything related to repentz is and will be denied
stoic beacon
Pff
I actually expected that they learned from their mistakes...
I'll check their repo once I'm home
Also using Tfar @soft egret
carmine folio
Doesn't look like the same community though.
Repentz community: https://republic-life.net/
The one monetized: https://www.republiclife.com.br/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
stoic beacon
Hmm, you're right
wraith comet
brisk ember
I don't think Foxone or one of their devs is here
Might as well post it here, where they are active https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/180829-united-states-air-force-2015/?page=105
though FM no like that π
fossil basalt
Send them a PM on the forum, not in the thread.
queen wing
Thanks
dull moon
o7
ember sorrel
what is it a monetized server?
dull moon
A server who charges his players fees for special stuff like reserved slots or special clothing
Just two examples
fossil basalt
Or the illicit ones who charge for the access to other modders content.
deft yacht
Particulalry when that content can otherwise be accessed for free
carmine folio
@ember sorrel https://www.bohemia.net/monetization
ember sorrel
sorry
i guess commas are important
what is it? a monetized server?
it referring to the link
delicate ember
it's slowly rising im reporting just a SW upload im not 100% if it's allowed + it contains SW OP
which was ripped i guess?
fossil basalt
Ripped and Prohibited by the IP holder,
delicate ember
which is disney?
fossil basalt
Yes
trail mountain
ANYTHING Star Wars is sadly banned
fossil basalt
Nothing "sadly" about it, its just banned.
trail mountain
Its sad in the fact it is banned
fossil basalt
No, what is sad is that fact that people keep trying to say βitβs okβ. Just as itβs not ok to steal from community modders, the same applies to other games.
brisk ember
" it's okay " == " Please everyone else stick your heads in the sand like I do "
hidden scaffold
is this even allowed? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1389365738&searchtext=
echo orchid
@soft egret
soft egret
hah. fake version number even
soft egret
of course they aren't
hidden scaffold
thats what i thought
pastel galleon
hello i find an edit altis life map with new texture, new islands and more link: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1349194937
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1665784935
TFAR @soft egret
Oh also using an *.EBO file
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1665004826&searchtext=
cup_terrains_buildings.pbo
cup_terrains_ca_buildings.pbo
cup_terrains_ca_misc_rtm2.pbo
cup_terrains_ca_structures.pbo
wraith comet
^
(only for realwar server)
(c) REALWAR 2018
chilly silo
yup makes me piss
they've renamed the pbos to try and hide the fact they are uploading
VTN stuff too
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1540549831
TFAR
CUP Weapons
How i love it
That are not my mods! So I have no rights!
I just packed them together in one!
Youse have non rights to stop me uploading!!!!! Nothin you can does to stop me. FUK YOU! My favourite DM of the night. Followed by a DMCA takedown.
brisk ember
@dull moon have fun with the CUP stuff π
wraith comet
Oh the DreamLifeRPG already removed my mod, there quick today
dull moon
@chilly silo
You still bother to write comments / PMs ?
echo orchid
a. Steam profile set to private
b. DMCA directly
chilly silo
@dull moon occasionally. Depends if ive had to deal with them before. And how many subscribers they have, my mood on the day and how many reuploads i have to deal with. More than 5 a day I just drop the DMCA right in. But if i do leave a comment i give them 24hours. After that they have no excuse
TBH, of all the people i've left comments with, which has to be over a hundred by now. Only about 5 have responded. Most delete the comment. But after i file the DMCA ive had easily 20% of them either send abuse of threats. And some of them even whined about "Why dont you talk first". I still maintain placing an education comment is the right thing to do. But most just dont give a fuck.
wheat wave
placing comments is a waste of time imho
they dont even get banned from reuploading so its not like filing a dmca will take their game keys away or penalize them in any way other than removing the workshop item
amber eagle
Anybody ever get a fail32 error when trying to send a dcma?
short quail
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1666347200 HLC, CUP, CBA etc
amber eagle
@Strike#6373 you previously mention my uniform mod. Is there any issue?
brisk ember
he got banned
amber eagle
Thanks. I spoke with him via pm. Nothing important
pastel hawk
It was resolved. I got better now.
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=827389888
@tired shoal
"The content is not mine" reupload of the 75th Rangers mod.
chilly silo
@wheat wave The advantage of putting a comment in, using the format i use ``Please Remove all RKSL Content Immediately. Re-uploading our content is not allowed. http://eula.rkslstudios.info/ Use Steam Collections, thats what they are there for.
1 β Reuploading someone elseβs content violates the Steam License - Section 6D - By uploading someone elseβs content you are giving away rights to content you do not own.
2 β Uploading an unsupported version causes the real Author loads of support problems. Especially when that version becomes obsolete.
3 β There are alternatives to re-uploading on steam that arenβt illegal. Collections for a start. Non-steam repositories etc.`` is that it makes it nice and clear for the DMCA team, the reuploader and for any of their subscribers. That way no matter what they claim they cant say they didnt understand why i did it
wheat wave
well that makes sense, but if its just for trying to have a dialogue with these people i think its not worth it
chilly silo
Very few want to talk about why they cant do whatever they want to
amber eagle
Is anybody else having problems filing DMCAs lately? I keep getting a fail32 error.
twilit ridge
this looks, well, see yourself. https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/222070-norwegian-police-cars/
stoic beacon
@twilit ridge use the report function on the forums, moderators will take care of it.
@amber eagle maybe try a different browser or on your phone?
Never had this issue tho
soft egret
Moderators are already aware of it.. no proo..... wait.... His old post got hidden because it was being investigated, and he just reposted.. That's not how it works boi
stoic beacon
π
fossil basalt
Warning issued.
brisk ember
@queen wing found another USAF upload (with edits apparently) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1653538201
Upload: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1641405192
Content: 3CB, 20AIB content, ragdolling and a lot more
Mod Author: @sweet minnow @burnt oak
Uploader: @weak dock
queen wing
thanks!
barren plover
@brisk ember whats up mate? sorry, slightly confused.
queen wing
@crisp dome is also present here, you can now also tag him with anything USAF related, along with myself and @pale agate ofcourse!
dull moon
π
soft egret
content of the group he advertised in #communities_arma3 is inside that reupload
barren plover
Ah, cheers @fossil basalt , well Ive not made a modpack or a mod, so im probably the wrong person to be asking
dull moon
You're sort of responsible since you are the public voice of the violating community
barren plover
hey @fossil basalt can i PM you to clear this up?
for reference, 5 RIFLES isnt my group
yeah, but the modpack is for 5RIFLES, which im not a part of. Im part of 20th AIB
soft egret
You're sort of responsible since you are the public voice of the violating community no he's not
barren plover
we dont use their modpack mate
soft egret
You advertised a group which uses stolen content no he didn't
But you still use their modpack which means you will not be allowed to advertise. he doesn't
5 rifles stole stuff FROM the 20TH AIB, which is his group
Btw not the first time 5 rifles comes up here
fossil basalt
Ahh, my apologies @barren plover I read that completely wrong.
barren plover
@soft egret cheers for clearing that up
soft egret
@weak dock is the reuploader.
fossil basalt
Feel free to re-post your groups advertisement which I mistakenly removed. It won't count against your 2 week post limit.
soft egret
reupload has already been deleted
barren plover
Gotcha, apologies for any confusion
fossil basalt
Once again, I apologise
barren plover
@fossil basalt no worries
fossil basalt
π
soft egret
The uploader is here too, you can enter him ^^
brisk ember
moar shame!
tight cove
Cool, so just to clarify - we donβt upload mods of our own, we utilise mods which are compiled by other authors (not our own) on the steam workshop - as such, if we can assist with either the removal of mods that were not uploaded with permission by other people, then let us know
Iβd appreciate it if, however, now the understanding has been made, you could remove our name from that list as we have had no role in this?
Or is this a different 20th AIB
I do know there are 2
I just saw the discord messages so would like to know further
brisk ember
I really wouldn't know, one of the addons just said 20AIB_xxxxx.pbo
tight cove
There are two 20th AIBβs - are you referring to a warrior mod?
tight cove
Okay, I do know that then
brisk ember
Well reskin AFAIK
tight cove
That mod has nothing to do with us, if itβs published by a 20th AIB Group
brisk ember
Alright I'll remove the poor lad's name then
tight cove
The reskin we use was uploaded but not part of a 20Aib group, Iβll examine the mod when Iβm home to make doubly sure
Itβs no problems, but can you specify which mod is the one in question
brisk ember
Didn't know there was more than one
tight cove
So I can make 100% sure we donβt use it, even if we didnβt make it I donβt want us to be affiliated with something illegally uploaded
Also as an FYI, although I run a USAF unit within the 20th AIB, we donβt use the USAF pack - just FIR aircraft, and we donβt upload any on our own accord
brisk ember
Oh I think you got it wrong. The content is owned by the mods I listed
Not that they uploaded it illegally
tight cove
Which mod though? Or content
brisk ember
It was an upload containing parts of the mod/author's work listed
I'd say follow that link but it was already removed
tight cove
Yeah, as I said we have never uploaded a mod from our side, I do know of a warrior mod uploaded by another 20th AIB, I can find their page if there is one
brisk ember
It was a mod uploaded by the 5 RIFLES community containing content they don't own rights to
tight cove
Roger, now I understand the situation
Thank you for explaining, although as I said we donβt have anything to do with it, itβs good to see there are watchful and protecting eyes over the community
And reassuring too!
brisk ember
I had assumed you were the only 20AIB since I've been on the Discord so that's a mistake on my part for mentioning your community liaison
dull moon
@barren plover
Same as FM, i'm misunderstood the postings. Sorry
barren plover
@dull moon genuinely not a problem, I was just as confused as everyone else
@brisk ember cheers for taking my name off the post, appreciate it
dull moon
π
Welcome to arma
land of confusion π§
leaden egret
@soft egret you don't allow the reupload of TFR right?
soft egret
generally not. correct.
amber eagle
Finally submitted the DMCA I've been trying to submit for the past few days. The feeling is...blissfully relieving.
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1330047648 wow make it less obvious dude
Robert Hammer Pistols Pack Reupload
And ofc Berlioz is there
dull moon
The reuploaders name rings a big bell...
soft egret
yeah. Was already here because of a compat mod
soft egret
Toadie, she's very hard to reach though.
@astral marlin is easier to reach for cl3 sounds,vehiclefunctions and wheeled
astral marlin
filed
stoic beacon
@native mist shes very active on Twitter (toadie2k), you may be able to reach her there
amber eagle
So when you file a DMCA what information does the reuploader see? Do they see your personal contact information (phone, email, address) even though they have not filed a counter-claim?
soft egret
none
atleast usually
Most people I have DMCA'ed didn't even know why they got hit, nor from who
stoic beacon
Well, I was contacted by some angry French guy via email
So I guess in at least some cases they can get certain details, but probably only after contacting valve
dull moon
iirc steam hands out all to steam known data where the DMCA was send from. I had a guy writing me via whatsapp seeking help to clear up the case. He was desperate and scared AF
amber eagle
Don't you all feel it's kind of a bad idea to share that personal information unless they file a counter-complaint? 99% are cool with DMCAs, but there are psychopaths out there.
tulip nexus
It's a legal document. AFAIK in the US you have the right to know the identity of someone who accuses you of a crime
heady stump
^ Yes this is true, although that covers the traditional sense of being tried of a crime (in court) (lawsuit) (etc)
fossil basalt
It's a legal document. AFAIK in the US you have the right to know the identity of someone who accuses you of a crime only in a court of law.
latent raven
So, how does it work with servers charging their players for the right to play when they're using CUP and RHS assets? I'm fairly sure that's against terms of service right?
latent raven
Australian/New zealand group called Legion. Some ehoist who pretends AI talking are real players and is now demanding $30 a month for each player (previously they we're "Donations") to keep playing.
Server typically is called "legion on shadow" I can get more details if needed
latent raven
No TS and banned from the discord (although I can get an invite to it I imagine) They claim to be an "elite group with a hidden website" that I never got access to.
I know it's not a ton but if you let me know what I need I can try to get it.
latent raven
I'll come back when I have it, thanks
echo orchid
thank you
wraith comet
@frail smelt your listed as admin in the steam group
and gone lol and removed all discord conenctions
fast ledge
Also reuploaded my HK416 retextures.
brisk ember
@fallow stag @steady adder @chilly silo ^
soft egret
Guy comes to TFAR discord to ask for tech support as stuffz broken.
Turns out he's running Life modpacks from the workshop
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1646011788&searchtext=al SFP bo105, CUP Vehicles parts, Some stuff from "FreshRP"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1646033232
sfdp_bas90, sfp_objects, Jbad
hidden scaffold
^^^
advanced rappeling, advanced urban rappeling, advanced towing, advanced sling loading, advanced weapon mounting, achilles, backpack on chest, and a few others
carmine folio
@amber eagle when you file a DMCA your personal information is available to the service provider whom will regularly forward this information, be it proactively or upon request, to the accused. So yes, when you DMCA someone they know your name/address and you cannot falsify this information
echo orchid
@carmine folio false, the service provider (Steam) will only forward that info in case of a counterclaim
carmine folio
@echo orchid "upon request", this is a part of the counterclaim
echo orchid
pro-actively is the false part
carmine folio
It is not
It's at the discretion of the company who receives the DMCA whether they provide the information proactively to the accused of the accuser or not
echo orchid
i am 100% talking about Steam here
carmine folio
He was asking in general but yes steam is only upon request
echo orchid
for EU companies, DMCA is not a thing btw
carmine folio
Yup, only US
echo orchid
no, he was asking about Steam specifically - had a few DMs exchanged on the subject
carmine folio
Ahh, in his question before he just asked about DMCA but fair enough
amber eagle
Well she told me the dmca notice that's forward to the person always includes the contact information
And that it has to be there or the dmca is cancelled
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1666347200
CUP units @dull moon
Btw I posted another cup vehicles above, a life pack.
dull moon
thx
brisk ember
@crisp dome @pale agate @queen wing ^
fossil basalt
@silk cloud Many hours have been spent creating these mods for use. The illegal theft/reupload/monetising of them will be dealt with harshly.
Illegal ripping/porting/IP theft will be reported to the relevant authorities.
broken hand.
If you think that we will allow you to justify illegal behavior here YOU are delusional
dull moon
being cheeky is not the wisest move to face a veteran_moderator... just saying...
fossil basalt
Legal action has been taken on more than one occasion.
dull moon
and yes, you can get in legal trouble for reuploading IP protected content from others... how do i know?
i've put many in legal trouble for reuploading
fossil basalt
Got his wish
dull moon
well, that's called "quick solving" i guess π
soft egret
Oof guess I missed it
dull moon
no big drama
soft egret
pff
crisp dome
@brisk ember thanks brother
brisk ember
Where can we find Robert Hammer?
soft egret
here
brisk ember
Ping?
soft egret
yes, you can do that
soft egret
bing bing bing bing
brisk ember
It wouldn't show any results while searching the name
soft egret
search slowly
soft egret
yes. type slowly. Discord will load the userlist
brisk ember
Type slowly or letter by letter? :P
soft egret
Just use your brain
merry kestrel
yeah that guy is not budging me thinks
fossil basalt
Forum ban on that user is pending.
wraith comet
compact mountain
Is it allowed to copy BIS code and edit it for a mission?
What copy rights do they have on this?
fossil basalt
context, it all depends on the context.
fossil basalt
again, whats the context
compact mountain
I want to use it for my mission but i dont want to use modules
i want to make it so i can spawn it using scripts
fossil basalt
Modules arent my specialty, but @soft egret may be able to shine some light on the subject. Code within Ama (that is not reuploaded elsewhere and not ripped) is generally acceptable for use. However, Dedmen may have more insight.
brisk ember
what's against the module?
soft egret
You can already call/spawn it from a mission without having to spawn modules and without having to edit the BI script.
It's a little more complicated than just copying and modifying the script though.
There is one problem with taking Arma content, and that is the Arma EULA forbidding you to take game content (which scripts are a part of) and sharing it publicly.
Question is what is "publicly", surely if you make a mission in Steam Workshop it doesn't matter because only people who already own the Game will be able to download it.
It's not very clear on other cases though.
chilly silo
Re the module from A2. Isnt it permitted if you forward port with permission? ie take stuff from A2 to A3. But the reverse A3 > A2 or A1 or anyother Non-BI game forbidden.
soft egret
A2 open data is licensed as APL anyway, which allows you to port it forward
Arma 3 content is not under any open license (except the samples)
latent raven
@echo orchid and anyone else interested I finally have the proof of the server I was talking about that is charging players to play while using CUP and RHS as well as a ton of other mods.
Images talking about payments: https://imgur.com/a/zbjjjb2
Server IP: 122.59.27.60:2302
Discord link:: https://discord.gg/MUZP8Cm
FIZZ is obviously the admin that runs it all
echo orchid
the above is using the following mods:
RHS, CUP terrains @dull moon , 3CB @sweet minnow , extended movement,
and a lot of other stuff
@latent raven ty
also
[4:46 AM] ADMIN-FIZZ: Connect to Legion on Shadow
[4:47 AM] ADMIN-FIZZ: Turn BATTLE EYE OFF```
hexed marsh
@brisk ember Apollo isn't around much at the moment, you're best @ing myself, Lifetap or Evrik
brisk ember
Aight will do
hexed marsh
thanks though, appreciate it!
echo orchid
also HAFM ^
brisk ember
Might also want to notify Dwarden on it?
echo orchid
it completely breaks A3 monetization rules, so infringements would be the spot
i just can figure out their server so far
brisk ember
13 people that need to pay 30β¬ a month? π€
latent raven
Need anything else or is that all you'll need?
echo orchid
@latent raven server's IP/address would be lovely
latent raven
Haha all good! Just glad to help, the guy running that server is a piece of work
carmine folio
@echo orchid They give you admin just for joining the discord?
latent raven
No no that's some weird thing about the Server leader leading a team in game and that's a trial slot for that team in game
The discord owner (a mate of mine helping me in bringing this to your attention) just gave those permissions so he could see everything
brisk ember
they probably coming up with an excuse to keep PuFu from filing a report
midnight crystal
"What do you mean we broke terms and conditions we modified it slightly so now its all our work" 
carmine folio
wait so you have to pay $30 to join and then $10 a month for the server fees
So are you paying the original $30 for his hard work in mod stealing
paper prawn
I liked the "I know you spent tons on CSGO so stop trying to say you cannot afford it to one guy"
carmine folio
there is one where he is demanding money from everyone and someone can't afford it so he kicked them out and told them to "go get a job"
brisk ember
why is that guy still operating his server...
latent raven
Thankyou for seeing part of why I want him gone
fossil basalt
Why? Because DMCAs need to be filed, infringement reports need to be sent to BI, etc.
brisk ember
DMCAs? π€ did they upload it somewhere too?
trail glacier
Oh mighty beeings of this channel, I just a humble man of the craft myself dare to ask for help.
Please, oh please mighty ones, tell me:
Are there any legit civilian vehicle mods out there that are safe to use?
soft egret
I think CUP vehicles has some civilian vehicles?
That is #other_ip_topics btw
trail glacier
Thanks, didn't know about that channel. (moved)
echo orchid
update on the Shadow of Legion - i have now enough proof of ingame server slots purchase (masked as "donations") to pursue this further. The bloke "fizz" is a total work, complete liar and bullshitter. The entire thing was a commercial enterprise, and no monetization approval from BI either
Affected parties such HAFM, CUP, 3CB, PLP, Pook etc please contact me directly if you wanna pursue this further (like i will)
echo orchid
mod list of affected parties available here
https://pastebin.com/ASaRuEmv
trail mountain
wow
that's a lot of mods that i'm sure they dont need... nor have rights to!
give 'em hell PuFu!
trail mountain
brisk ember
@dull moon @sweet minnow in case you hadn't seen it yet ^
latent raven
@echo orchid Thanks for looking into all that, sorry about how much of a mess it all was
merry kestrel
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1671413398&searchtext= this guys had uploaded a fixed version of a mod, but without permission of the original creator
fossil basalt
Warning and notice of action sent.
trail glacier
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1641826228
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1324493075
Stolen or legit? I would say the later, but how do I know and whom do I tell?
trail glacier
The first looks like an unlocked reupload of the second. And the seconds seems to sell access to his mod by blocking it somehow ingame.
paper prawn
If either is legit it's the second. Since the mod is at least named after the uploader...
fossil basalt
The D3S stuff all appear to be rips (based on credits they give on other sites)
trail glacier
Thanks for supporting my suspicion. Now how do we get it out of the workshop?
paper prawn
That's why I said "if" π
fossil basalt
Ordson, You can report it to Valve or you can Report it to the Developers that it was ripped from.
carmine folio
The second one is legit
Thats the creator of D3S
You can see the original models in his workshop items as they are all made for Euro Truck Sim and Cities Skylines also
brisk ember
"legit"
soft egret
Now how do we get it out of the workshop? Report it using the flag button
brisk ember
Nuke it.
minor snow
oof
trail mountain
B l u e S p a c e A r t i l l e r y
soft egret
Please go to #other_ip_topics if you just wanna comment on things. And please stop the useless spam.
wraith comet
soft egret
Ah Dessanco. Already DMCA'ed that guy a couple times. But reuploaded by a different guy this time
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1675428332
tfar_backpacks.pbo
tfar_core.pbo
tfar_handhelds.pbo
soft egret
Not on crawler yet. Meaning I can't deal with it immediately and have to push it to todo list which I might not check soon ._.
wraith comet
midnight crystal
wraith comet
merry kestrel
@dull moon @soft egret ^
serene vault
I know this is kinda unrelated, but I think this might be the best place to ask
If I wanted to host an Arma event, like a large event, would I be able to use the Arma 3 branding or would I need permission from Bohemia Interactive?
trail mountain
How large we talkin' here cheif?
serene vault
Like a live streamed competive event, with ads and stuff. like an esports event
advertising the event* I should say
trail mountain
then i would almost be certain yes you need to ask
hexed marsh
i'd probably take this to #other_ip_topics
serene vault
wraith comet
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1676669909
TFAR @soft egret
and 7 *.ebo`s
https://i.imgur.com/jgewqJB.png
soft egret
kka3 ebo? @stoic beacon
stoic beacon
not mine lol
wraith comet
someone stealing your tag 
stoic beacon
It might be someone who I made this for and he packed it in an ebo
fossil basalt
Theres a word for people like that
paper prawn
I'm English... we are allowed
echo orchid
10 pints for you
fossil basalt
Was just telling Chirs about a certain drink and that it was like German beer, but with alchohol in it...
paper prawn
PuFu's beer donation brings me closer to getting that graphics card (I know OT but not in some ways)
fossil basalt
I take beer donations...
after 13 years, I'm still buying my own beer
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
soft egret
#other_ip_topics π€
paper prawn
^^
fossil basalt
^^
brisk ember
echo orchid
i just got a weird looking PM on BIF that starts with - hello, my dear.
does that look like something a newbie would do from scratch (i read P'85 vehicles BIS crew btw, but could have used P'85 as base for config), or much rather and imported mesh from someplace
https://ibb.co/XWnCNRZ
tulip nexus
it's from Spintires @echo orchid . model is on that russian ripper site you will know about
KrAZ 255
unless he happens to be this fella https://rambooze.artstation.com/projects/2nRA
wraith comet
dull moon
What's that game called again? Something with mud...
echo orchid
see above, the guy in question is this bloke (https://forums.bohemia.net/profile/1158995-mohammad-wazzan/), i reported his PM
first of all, I would like to thank you for your modeling advice from scratch.
I just import my very first object into Arma 3
but my question if you please?
how to get it alive?
I appreciated your helping me .. is there a way to do it?
her is the model :
https://ibb.co/XWnCNRZ```Exactly, thx
echo orchid
@fossil basalt + @soft egret ^^
soft egret
Do you want to gather more info? maybe steam account or so?
otherwise I'd just ban him
brisk ember
VIDDA reupload; https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1646768372 is the author here?
wraith comet
@languid elbow isnt that yours ? ^ Vidda?
languid elbow
echo orchid
@brisk ember you can tag me from now on concerning all @languid elbow terrains re-uploads - reason, still sikrt
brisk ember
VIDDA under RHS protection? π
echo orchid
who has the biggest DMCA ban hammer?
brisk ember
Chris D:
echo orchid
noob
@soft egret do you need that? i am sort of sick to do that, so just go ahead and ban his ass
brisk ember
river spear
@echo orchid I'm saving that, thank you very much
desert sparrow
reuploded cup weapons. Another LifeServer.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1653451038
paper prawn
I'm seriously thinking of doing an unmonetized Life server just so that there is one that has no IP violations π
river spear
@paper prawn Then your players would riot for not being able to buy stuff π
wraith comet
echo orchid
https://i.imgur.com/cqTR3eH.png
doesn't this sound fishy?
lone basin
Aren't VR Suits BIS's propriety and therefore can't be monetized?
heady stump
Yep....
merry kestrel
I am just as surprised that they think that VR Suits are worth being behind a Paywall
paper prawn
And customize your vehicle license plate... Probably stole that code...
brisk ember
from other people that charge money for π pretty sure it's from a french code website that sells scripts
paper prawn
brisk ember
that's not through a shop and menu
paper prawn
Yeah, but I'd just provide an addaction for free for a player...
brisk ember
Got no user input though
narrow topaz
Access to VR suits violates monetization only if theyβre not available otherwise. You can restrict the colors if you have one version available, however
BI cares more about the fact that they have a ridiculously large weight capacity than anything from what I remember
soft egret
@lone basin
Aren't VR Suits BIS's propriety and therefore can't be monetized? You got half of that wrong. The other half right.
@heady stump you also got 50% wrong.
They are BI's property yes.
Thus permission to monetize them is included in BI's monetization approval.
Thus they can monetize them.
Access to VR suits violates monetization only if theyβre not available otherwise. As long as they are not providing gameplay advantages, it's allowed.
HOWEVER I heard they have more cargo space than any other uniform, which might be a gameplay advantage. I don't play life I don't know how big of a difference that makes.
If anyone else could just take a backpack with them, then more cargo space in uniform is definitely not an advantage.
The only advantage then is that you don't need a backpack. But if they are cheap to get then that's not a advantage. Just a cosmetic difference
echo orchid
@soft egret cosmetic differences are allowed as long as they don't provide gameplay advantages. anything that is exclusive to paying people is not allowed if no one else has no access to that particular asset
this particular case - so if everyone has access to VR uniform and only paying people have access to a pink one is ok
if only paying people have access to VR, and no one else has, is not allowed
that is how i read the monetization thing
narrow topaz
More or less how it works in practice
They've also allowed entire assets to be behind monetization so long as an equivalent alternative (carrying capacity, ermor, etc) exists for free. An example there is CSAT Pilot Coveralls being donator items, but CSAT hex fatigues being free for everyone
Well, actually I stand corrected. The coveralls hold 47 FAKs with a Carryall; the hex fatigues only hold 45. So BI allow you to do that only if you prevent people from using the larger bag with the higher capacity uniform
soft egret
One might interpret it as only a cosmetic difference. Other players have to wear a backpack. Donators don't
wearing a backpack or not isn't really a gameplay changer. Atleast I don't see why it would be
Sources told me it's already reported to BI. Their decision
brisk ember
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1622905812
JBAD
ITC AIR
CBRN
STUI
AChilles
ASR A3
RKSL scopes @chilly silo
HAFM
Some of TeTeT's mods by the looks of it
BG21 Slaughter Assets
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1622929969
Name says all; JSRS @fallow stag
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1622894197
Load of maps I can't figure out which one they are from their names
Uploader not here
At least not under that name of SnOwZF