#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 43

opaque nimbus Aug 2, 2018, 7:26 PM

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aw

long mantle Aug 2, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Does all of the mods exist on steam? In that case just do a collection with them

opaque nimbus Aug 2, 2018, 7:28 PM

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No they dont all exist on steam

long mantle Aug 2, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Oh darn it

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Then you have to look at other hosting options A3S etc.

paper prawn Aug 2, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Or ask the mod owners for permission... Many of them will for non monetized aervers if they are still contactable

dull moon Aug 2, 2018, 7:46 PM

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from my experience, they won't
IF they are still contactable and IF the mod is still maintained and IF the mod is still not on the workshop, the autor has his good personal reasons not to allow reuploads. not even private

fervent leaf Aug 2, 2018, 7:49 PM

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That actually bothers me. I don’t understand why content creators would make something and then make it difficult to be used.
Whenever I make something I make sure to add the disclaimer that anyone can do anything with it, specifically because I’m of the mindset that I’m creating things to increase enjoyment of the game. Why restrict that?

fallen wagon Aug 2, 2018, 7:52 PM

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If they don't agree with something or like the people / server who wish to use their content, it's their rights on who is allowed to use it. While I agree with your idea, that doesn't mean authors shouldn't be able to restrict who uses their content. If they don't like the steam terms for example, why would they put it on the workshop?

faint nacelle Aug 2, 2018, 7:53 PM

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some like to have single release channel thats easy to manage

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not many that has to be managed separately

fervent leaf Aug 2, 2018, 7:54 PM

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I can understand the logic in a way. I guess I just struggle to empathize

faint nacelle Aug 2, 2018, 7:54 PM

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there has been mods long before steam

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and their use is fairly simple

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download and extract to Armas folder and add to startup parameters

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this "gib me everything ready wah wah wah" mentality is something I dont empathize at all

dull moon Aug 2, 2018, 7:56 PM

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@fervent leaf
there is no restriction in usage or accessability of original mods on the steam workshop. create a mod collection, add the desired mod to it, run the game, have fun

faint nacelle Aug 2, 2018, 7:56 PM

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but also this is #ip_rights_violations , lets keep to the topic

fervent leaf Aug 2, 2018, 7:58 PM

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I understand. However my group has run into issue where we can’t control updates through collections so we had to ditch the workshop altogether, which is a shame since it is quite a nice system and integrates with the launcher well.
And I believe this is on topic to be fair. The discussion of IP right violations would seem to fit the theme here.

fossil basalt Aug 2, 2018, 7:59 PM

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@fervent leaf What he may be referring to is “read the channel description”

paper prawn Aug 2, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Certain mod owners do explicitly say no Steam due to the dubious claims that Steam then own the IP

fossil basalt Aug 2, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Do not make the mistake that some have and assume that just because they don’t explicitly prohibit it, that it must be allowed.

paper prawn Aug 2, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Then again. You can contact mod developers from the past occasionally. Got permission from one the other day to use elements of their mod

fervent needle Aug 3, 2018, 12:47 AM

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If someone releases content as apl-sa - such as source code/source files. Can someone take that and make their own content with it as long as its still under apl-sa and monetize/give monetization rights out for it?

dusk dew Aug 3, 2018, 1:09 AM

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No, the person who created a derivative still must attribute the original creator, the work still falls under his copyright by part (or full, depending on how it was remixed)

fervent needle Aug 3, 2018, 1:18 AM

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So if I released work just under aplsa and person B took source files then used it in a mod and packaged it up still under aplsa. Then person C comes along wanting to monetize person B’s work they wouldn’t have to bother me/come to me for permission to monetize would they?

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As long as I just release it under apl-sa anyone can do what they wish under that license correct?

dusk dew Aug 3, 2018, 1:27 AM

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I think your ultimate answer lies in the hands of BI, and only BI, as it is their definition of 'authors' which is the problem. Technically, they are free to do as they wish, as long as they do indeed license it the same, and attribute your work (and keep your license), but they would be creating a derivative of your work, or something that at the least requires it (still falls vaguely under derivative IIRC, but it's all very grey).

But given that your copyrighted work is within their mod, of which you are author and are attributed, it would seem silly if BI didn't care for your opinion on monetization, when technically, the derivative is under your license (by part or full)

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But regardless of what BI say about it, you can simply add an addendum that lets them do as they wish `you may grant monetization for any derivative or works using this' blah blah. Then they won't have to bother you regardless 😛

fervent needle Aug 3, 2018, 1:34 AM

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I doubt someone would dig that far back up the tree to reach me but I guess the blanket statement would be the best way to approach it, thanks for the info @dusk dew

dusk dew Aug 3, 2018, 1:35 AM

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👍 I'm sure Dwarden will have a better answer, after all, it's up to them bunch what happens

paper prawn Aug 3, 2018, 1:36 AM

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You can also say its APL-SA but you cannot monetize without permission or not at all. Anyone taking that product has to use the same conditions on the license

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Also, it is sad that this still has to be said, but BI explicitly say that any mod you run on a monetized aerver must have the permission of the mod owners. Maybe if BI put that in the main sign up screen rather than a FAQ that many seem to not read or ignore it may make things clearer

errant drum Aug 3, 2018, 3:28 AM

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https://gyazo.com/ef2a6feaf6ca2b1576785b5385f2aa74

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Who's excited for this idea for an upcoming life server 😂

paper prawn Aug 3, 2018, 4:16 AM

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Maybe BI could deal with most of the issues of the last four years by saying "Running A3 Life... no monetization". If not I might actually sell my soul and run one myself 😦

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Cos the conversations we're having re: Life servers now... are the same as those documented on the BI forums in 2014...

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Exactly the same

faint nacelle Aug 3, 2018, 7:58 AM

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and then he apparently just restarted same scheme with another name @steady hare no guilt no rule following just grabbing the money from the looks of it.

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 8:43 AM

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I am guessing the RH M4s are still a no got for monetization?

olive sparrow Aug 3, 2018, 8:49 AM

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike

ok, so there is a lot of misunderstanding about what APL_SA means.
It is NOT a license to abuse your work.
It is NOT you passing ownership (and therefore commercial use rights) of your work to anyone who cares to take it
It is NOT for commercial gain, except for the parts owned and licensed by Bohemia, where they allow monetization within Arma.

APL_SA has several key parts that are worth remembering:
Section 1k clearly defines non-commercial use. 
Section 2a1 parts a and b grant a license to the next generation (adapter) to adapt and use the work in a non-commercial arma only setting.

If someone wishes to monetize your work, even if it is part of someone elses subsequent APL_SA release, they must still seek permission from each adapter in the chain up to Bohemia. Bohemia has already agreed you can monetize THEIR part of the work, but each and every adapter in the chain must give consent also.

Section 2a5 confers restrictions on the downstream recipients (adapters). They must follow the chain of ownership, keep it publicly declared, and not restrict usage of their adaptation in any way that harms your license (section 3b3).

Section 3a is very clear about attribution - there must be a clear declaration of all parties who have contributed to the work, with links to their licenses.
Section 3b1 states that an adapter must apply a similar license to the adapted work

Section 6a - if the adapter fails to comply with the license (or any adapters license in the chain), they lose all rights to it.
Section 7b allows for the adapter t ogrant monetization rights (FOR ONLY THEIR OWNED PART of the work) separately from the license. They have no rights to allow monetization for parts of the upstream work (i.e. that they have adapted, in the chain of licenses that apply to the work)

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 8:56 AM

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I am asking, because I see PsiSyns Takistan server is on the monetized server list and I see RH M4 files (resigned as well) in their repository

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Reading this monetization debate got me interested. So lets say Arma 3 clan has their own server. They run closed events for their members on a heavily
modded server.
Clan collects donations to keep its servers going. Is this scenario considered monetization with all its consequences ?

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:01 AM

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"donation" is a voluntary act

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there is nothing received in return - ingame perks

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if anything is received in return of a donation, it is called a sale

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that means monetization applies and the money are not tax free

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Well i guess whats recieved is a server to play on...

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:04 AM

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i have been part of a clan before, all members were chipping in towards the infrastructure costs, but they were chipping in as much or as little, or as often as they could

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that was in A1 and A2 days, i see no ingame perks in the mix

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 9:05 AM

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Amount is probably irrelevant but technically each party that monetizes could just call it donations to the server and thus surpass rules ?

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:05 AM

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lol, nope, that is fraud and tax evasion

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the moment i put a price on something you get in return, then it is a sale.

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Aren't "donations" taxed anyway? Like donations have to actually go to charity (but that might be different country by country).

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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ok so set cost is what makes the two cases different

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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I think correct term is "tip".

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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it isn't the cost

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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well price

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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is what you get in return of a payment

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 9:07 AM

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but you do get a server for those donations (service)

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:09 AM

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if you restrict access based on payment then yeah that is monetization

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yeah reserved/ or VIP slots goes under the same monetization rules

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a. case A - there is clan/squad that has a few members - They have a of money each month that needs to be gathered to cover server costs - the server is private or public, it doesn't matter. then that is fine
b. I have a server - i limit the access to that server based on a 10$/month fee - that is monetization

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:10 AM

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"No, donations are still allowed. But remember – a donation is a gift without any counter value. If your donators receive perks or rewards for donating then we no longer consider it a donation and you have to apply for the approval."

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:11 AM

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as long as you are on BI monetization list, you need to get explicit permission from all authors

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unless there is a license file attached to a mod that explicitly says it allows monetization (it needs to be textually written)

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sharing server costs is something that has always happened - be it public server, clan/squad servers etc

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taking money for accessing a server is a sale - there is a service provided in return of a payment

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[12:07 PM] PointForward: Aren't "donations" taxed anyway? Like donations have to actually go to charity (but that might be different country by country).
depends on a country and there are some limits as well

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[12:10 PM] Leeeeroyy: Ah ok, so for instance, if reserved/vip slots were to get removed, are you technically allowed any mod (besides ones that require extensive permission)
if the only monetization perk is VIP/reserved slot, and that gets removed and there is no ingame perk, then there is no monetization whatsoever, so there is no reason to be on BI's allowed monetized list

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as long as a server/community is on that list, they need to abide by the monetization rules

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which means you cannot use ANY mod unless there is written and explicit permission from the author

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:17 AM

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The monetization rules are quite simple.
Not to mention reputable communities accepting monetary support generally have monthly goals with description what costs what.

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:18 AM

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@steady hare in theory yes, but @soft egret would be the one to answer that for you

hallow lark Aug 3, 2018, 9:18 AM

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I believe Nkey has already stated he doesn't have a problem with it, but he won't give his explicit permission to use it on a monetized server. he has left that up to Dedmen

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:18 AM

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if monthly goals are reached and everyone gets a perk, that is still monetization btw

hallow lark Aug 3, 2018, 9:18 AM

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Hence why Psi couldn't use it and monetize.

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:19 AM

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@echo orchid didn't mean perk, just "we keep running without having to think about downsizing servers/whatever"

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normal community stuff

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:19 AM

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that is all fine, and before monetization

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that is how all servers have been running

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there was a monthly fee associated with servers costs, and nothing else, the donated money were all directed towards covering these costs

hallow lark Aug 3, 2018, 9:20 AM

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He stated he didn't have a problem, but wouldn't give explicit permission.

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Can't monetize without explicit permission

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:20 AM

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^

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So you can try contacting him. he might direct you to dedmen anyway.

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:21 AM

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i do remember for 2 servers, one collocated and one rented there costs were around 100 pounds a month. People were chipping as much or as little as 5 to 50 pounds. The amount of collected money was visible, there was a red flag if it went under the monthly payment limit. As i said, some people choose to send some money each 6 months, some each month, some none whatsoever - they had limited cash flow or they had other things - there was no issue as long as collectively the sum was reached

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right click - send message?

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:22 AM

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@echo orchid yeah, I'm looking at the breakdown, 112 EUR for 2 arma servers total, 6 EUR for TS server, some more for website and associated stuff... and non-arma servers which is not interesting anyway

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:24 AM

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yeah, which begs the question for communities that have a single server

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and the monthly lower limit is 500 or 1000 USD

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:26 AM

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the fuck are they running, 1000 slot server?

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or obviously a nice "rainy day fund" ... for the admin

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:26 AM

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^^ that

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again, i think if you, your friends/clan mates etc

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cannot afford a server

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maybe you shouldn't rent one/collocated/host one to begin with

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but people got used to get something in retunr for a "donation"

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and that habbit was nurtured by server admins looking to make a buck on the side

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:30 AM

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I mean only "perk" I'd expect is that regular donators could be informed on potential changes like "OK guys, if each one of you starts donating $1 extra each month we can upgrade server to support X more players during prime time"

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Which is not really a perk for the player anyway

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:34 AM

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for me for instance, besides the software license, i don't really like having monthly server payments. i for once would prefer to push 100EU at once and know that i am set for "server costs" for a longer period

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but yeah

grand oyster Aug 3, 2018, 9:36 AM

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@echo orchid Purchase a dedicated server and host in-house 😉 😉

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:36 AM

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I mean that still costs money... Internet connection, electricity, ...

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:37 AM

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@grand oyster 😃 yeah the collocation one was around 1200EU, and the collocation costs was 35ish EU a month

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but, it aged 😃

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my internet connection is 600MB down, 300up, will be upraged in september to 1GB down, 500 up though

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so that would work

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:39 AM

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That's the only bad thing about my place due to some idiot I'm on wireless modem only :/

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:40 AM

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the advantages of owning your own place (well, actually house)
i got a small fiberlink box 2m from my PC

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but we going OT here

grand oyster Aug 3, 2018, 9:41 AM

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I wish I could get Fibre here without selling a kidney

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All our ISPs are seemingly asymmetric

echo orchid Aug 3, 2018, 9:42 AM

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i pay 19EU a month for the fix line (i never use it), fiber and 125 iTV channels 😄

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the upgrade from 600mbit to 1Gb is 1 extra EU per month

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 9:43 AM

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Fuck, better get back to work to be able to afford a house near a fiber line 😼
(also tiny hope that certain big A3 mod will get updated before I get home, but no inquiries on that don't worry)

grand oyster Aug 3, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Little #offtopic_arma 😄 @steep quiver I'll have to definitely consider that when I move out

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 10:24 AM

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I'm just online now again. I literally wasted half an hour on that guy helping him with his issues.. I shall never do that again. It was dumb from me in the first place to tell him about his mistakes. Should've just sent a mail to BI and leave it be.
He even told me he might just slightly modify TFAR so he is allowed to reupload it in his pack instead of having it as a dependency.

@steady hare At least with some that are currently up (Such as PsiSyn), he has showed some form of guilt No. He just lied to us. A week later he was owner/highly ranked member/moderator on a new life server that ran mods that don't allow monetization and they also monetized even without approval. He has no guilt whatsoever and didn't learn anything whatsoever.
if i was to use an older version of TFAR for something i'm working on, and with NKeys permission. Would i be allowed to monetise it? Sure you can monetize with permission. I can also give you the permission for any TFAR version. Even the older ones.

@steady hare better read the #rules you are spamming.

@steady hare and NKey said that he doesn't have a problem with it, does that count? "don't have a problem" is not "yes you can"

river spear Aug 3, 2018, 10:43 AM

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@echo orchid Where the hell do you live

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 11:35 AM

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Why is it that life server are so common to violate monetization rules...

proud flicker Aug 3, 2018, 11:39 AM

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Different maturity level.

faint nacelle Aug 3, 2018, 11:39 AM

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A life RP gameplay draws young players

B young players dont quite understand value of money

C server operators can easily cash in from this

tldr : profit

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also what mondy said

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 11:45 AM

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@steep quiver it's not only life. You only see life most often. Because they also have the most monetized servers.

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 12:39 PM

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But they can't even provide pay to win monetization. I'm too old for this probably.

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 12:42 PM

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Reverse, win to get paid thats an idea for an adult server...

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Be good at scamming/ripping off young people == win -> get paid.
That's what the life servers are already doing 😄

proud flicker Aug 3, 2018, 12:52 PM

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Haha, take entrance fees per session. At Session end a winner is randomly selected. Pocket 50% of the fees.

carmine folio Aug 3, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Armaball

steep quiver Aug 3, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Sssh, you're giving them ideas

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Guy wants TFAR permission. I ask him what server. He ignores my question. I ask him again. He ignores it again. I literally need to ask 3 times till he finally answers my question. Then I want a modlist.
all the mods are public
I ask him to just send me a copy-paste of his full modlist. He starts sending screenshots.
My first comment on one of his pictures. And this happens:
https://s.sqf.ovh/Discord_2018-08-03_21-35-13.png
I guess he doesn't want TFAR permission anymore all of the sudden ¯_(ツ)_/¯

merry kestrel Aug 3, 2018, 7:47 PM

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ouch

dull moon Aug 3, 2018, 8:03 PM

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ding ding ding...
they ripped CUP Terrains Maps for takistan

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/128109339113160704/475030708788658184/psisyn_takistan.JPG

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wrong chat, but fits anyway 😄

hallow lark Aug 3, 2018, 8:05 PM

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dbo wheelchair, isn't that the stolen wheelchair that is in every life pack?

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 8:05 PM

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yeah

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Think so..

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There was sfp_wheelchair and a common rename. Not sure if it was dbo

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No that's not it

dull moon Aug 3, 2018, 8:13 PM

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dbo is something different. the common wheelchair is from SFP

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the rebranding, wasn't it eg_* something?

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 8:14 PM

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there is also a very common rename of the SFP wheelchair. That's not.. I really don't remember ^^

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cg_wheelchair <--

dull moon Aug 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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right

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Asked Trubb for it 😄

dull moon Aug 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

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well, eg_
close enough 😂

sonic blade Aug 3, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Fooled me too when I saw it, cg_ is an instant "oh hey there" but this one was similar to ours but not completely the same which the rips are.
Turns out its wayyy older than expected but belonging to a creator that seems to have since departed the arma scene

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 9:10 PM

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How did they get permission from a author that isn't there anymore 🤔

dull moon Aug 3, 2018, 9:17 PM

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#magic

undone pier Aug 3, 2018, 9:21 PM

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dbo is deanosbeano

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has is still around from time to time

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 9:21 PM

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where? bif account is dead since 2007

undone pier Aug 3, 2018, 9:22 PM

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rather unlikely he would give permission though

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he was more on armaholic

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but he contacted me recently here on discord

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 9:22 PM

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We already have 5 mods that 100% have no permission. So not really unlikely that they don't have it for that

undone pier Aug 3, 2018, 9:23 PM

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DeanosBeano#1098

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Ah yeah. Discord didn't want to show me when I searched for Deano

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He's not in this server anymore

undone pier Aug 3, 2018, 9:25 PM

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yeah i added him as friend

soft egret Aug 3, 2018, 9:35 PM

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@stoic beacon reminded me that DustyRoads has contact to him. They'll ask him for me tomorrow
Thanks

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:10 AM

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haha i wasnt mistaken

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https://gyazo.com/78e1222673a72d75b2be79fb7077e8d1

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https://dayz.gamepedia.com/Taloon_Backpack

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https://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-chernobyl/addons/toska-hd

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different model but same mod

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Uh... trying to read whether the text is Taloon (DayZ) or Talon (IRL)...? Difficult due to the low light and the tools I have available.

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Which brings up the question (given the name change) of whether BI had permission to model the Talon 22 😉 And thus whether simply changing the name of something in game absolves someone of having to pay the IP rights holder 😃

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:29 AM

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??? its bis data from dayz

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not the best light but the features are identical

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:31 AM

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To this too... https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/116322/osprey-talon-22-pack One thing I cannot tell is whether the end of the strap for the main storage is folded over and stitched like in real life but not in the DayZ model... cannot tell with my tools

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Then again the "wave"? like effect at the sides of the back look just like BI's (ending closer to the bottom) and less like IRL

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:34 AM

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https://gyazo.com/ac5610ce781029045ffb1df2f6edb866

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https://gyazo.com/6acf0b2d3d99893a509ed207974f694b

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..?

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Sorry, those images do not enlarge for me... but looking more closely in the previous stuff and comparing to both the DayZ and IRL versions it seems like you have a winner!

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:36 AM

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what?

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im comparing the dayz to this stalker mod

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lol

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:36 AM

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I think you are right

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:36 AM

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its deffo ripped

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Yes, I said I think you are right

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Was just trying to work out whether someone else had modelled the Talon backpack too or whether it was a rip... many people do not know that it is a real backpack... that BI renamed Taloon... Like Zamak... sorry Kamaz

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:41 AM

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ah nooo

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this is perfectly identical

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Agreed. Again... I could not get a good enough look with the basic graphics tools I had

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:42 AM

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this mod originally had stuff i thought was in rhs but couldnt find identical files in it

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ended up finding something jucier walk right past me

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Not exactly sure what BI can do to a STALKER mod hosted on moddb but...? While BI will be happy with the info and may be able to do something it may be better to clean our own house first though

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:45 AM

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...that is exactly what this channel is before

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and misery mod got reported last year for having arma 2 weapons and their download links swiftly went down

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Before STALKER comes after all the ARMA3 STALKER mods

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:45 AM

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they are also hosted on moddb so

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it is up to the ip rights holder to defend their ip anyway, not bi, unless bi starts getting flack by said rights holders which maybe? has happened in the past, IDK, its not too rampant that other companies have gone after bi for masses of stolen content so

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Agreed. With the new STALKER in the pipeline, maybe they will.

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 2:48 AM

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well stalker --> any other games porting has never been taken down, the new game yes may indeed warrent some dmcas

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 2:48 AM

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Also... the Taloon definitely seems to be only just dodging the edges of IP infringement that lesser mortals get sued for

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I mean BI's one

olive sparrow Aug 4, 2018, 8:43 AM

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they're not monetising,

they still are selling stuff (such as Reserved/VIP Slots) on their store. 
They also sell a "Take-over a gang instantly" package which gives you full control over an in-game gang for £100
``` this is monetizing defined.

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in fact the "take over a gang fee" is going beyond the allowed monetization i think, as it is offering unique player benefits, which afaik is not allowed, that is commercial use that breaks the A3 EULA

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 10:11 AM

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@steady hare reported weeks ago already. They are not monetized. But still monetize and use tons of mods they can't use

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BI probably overlooked my mail

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PsiSyn is btw also deeply involved with that thing

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Who would've thought right?

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report it again

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deeply involved:
https://s.sqf.ovh/firefox_2018-08-04_12-13-39.png

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Maybe he himself should be doing something against that then?

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sounds like you should contact the police then 😄

faint nacelle Aug 4, 2018, 10:27 AM

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Well not to put tinfoilhat on but they could all be the same person because internets.. Just saying.

fossil basalt Aug 4, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Either way, they will get what’s coming to them.

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 10:35 AM

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huh?

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don't even know how one would DDoS "TFAR"

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like.. attack github? Or steam workshop?

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Or Discord?

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I don't have any TFAR "servers"

tight copper Aug 4, 2018, 10:35 AM

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LOOOL

fossil basalt Aug 4, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Nice, criminal charges, yay!

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 10:36 AM

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they probably just googled TFAR and attacked what first came up ¯_(ツ)_/¯

tight copper Aug 4, 2018, 10:38 AM

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Now I am very curious which poor fucker they are ddossing

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 10:42 AM

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ye

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lol. really. None of them have anything to do with me 😄

snow bloom Aug 4, 2018, 10:53 AM

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I swear sometimes I reckon the call of duty community has less drama! Have to admit tho, it does provide a good read every now and again, however idiotic it is lol

hallow lark Aug 4, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Interesting.
https://youtu.be/Klw43WnjmdQ?t=571

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Nice little scheme they got going there.

rapid wagon Aug 4, 2018, 11:37 AM

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Oh sweet, proof

heavy moon Aug 4, 2018, 11:41 AM

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heh the irony of one person involved in monetising content without licence calling out another. it's not really ip related more monetisation, make a report and send to email in topic.

hallow lark Aug 4, 2018, 11:42 AM

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The monetization is.

rapid wagon Aug 4, 2018, 11:42 AM

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👆

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 11:43 AM

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You don't even need that.. They have a store. And don't have monetization approval.

winged vapor Aug 4, 2018, 12:02 PM

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just send them a fucking CnD letter

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omfg what the fuck is going on there

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bunch of children

echo orchid Aug 4, 2018, 12:03 PM

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^^

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find their real names and their service provides
send a C&D to all of the above

fossil basalt Aug 4, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Don’t forget the google drives

echo orchid Aug 4, 2018, 12:21 PM

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that is a DMCA

fossil basalt Aug 4, 2018, 1:17 PM

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DMCAs are done by the authors.

echo orchid Aug 4, 2018, 1:17 PM

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the author of any of these mods/ their lawyers

mint edge Aug 4, 2018, 5:44 PM

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https://gyazo.com/fae4dd2b2e1c3778fb3f6e1c3890a66d

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https://gyazo.com/1a10bab7f59cae06752414b0c57400f7

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https://dayz.gamepedia.com/Hunting_Backpack

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https://dayz.gamepedia.com/Gas_Mask

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https://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-chernobyl/addons/toska-hd

paper prawn Aug 4, 2018, 7:56 PM

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BTW @mint edge You should email the infringements team at BI if you have not. This STALKER HD Model mod notes that it took content from Ninja_Nub [NOR]'s HD Models mod. Interestingly that one was taken down and the "creator" posted this "It got taken down due to a copyright thing, I used some models from dayz, and bohemia doesn't much like when people use models from their engine."

soft egret Aug 4, 2018, 7:57 PM

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If you post stuff like that. Always say if you reported it to BI or if you expect someone else in here to do it for you

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 2:39 AM

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I have not. Was leaving the honours to Mike since he found them... If he hasn't or doesn't then I will

mint edge Aug 5, 2018, 3:58 AM

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i find stolen arma shit like every week in atleast one mod in a game im playing at the time, so i just post it here because i honestly cant be arsed to report every single thing, odds are someone will either forward it or someone who handles it will see it

carmine folio Aug 5, 2018, 6:43 AM

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So PsiSyn just keeps getting slaps on the wrist?

https://psisyn.com/forums/store/category/9-psisyn-takistan/

And has RH, TRYK, Jonzie, HLC and more in the modpack.
Guess if they can get away with it anyone can.

grand oyster Aug 5, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Seems about right, currently

carmine folio Aug 5, 2018, 9:03 AM

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I has been said in this channel a few times, there has to be a clear permission for someone to use the mod while monetizing the server by the mod author.

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Plus, the "no permission" part does not clearly state anything about monetization

prisma scaffold Aug 5, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Looks like they are using Acre

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which is using just a GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE

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Unless they have adopted one the BI licenses some were?

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Didn't see it on the forums or Steam Page

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 9:52 AM

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The report for PsiSyn is already written and has gone out.

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They shut down their malden server recently. They shut down their ONLY non rule violating server. So they can focus more on development of the rule violating ones

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and they really seem to think that removing TFAR will get rid of all their problems.

prisma scaffold Aug 5, 2018, 9:57 AM

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heh, there reasoning "to cancerous" XD

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Yeah.. I think the cancer is not in the players 🤔

prisma scaffold Aug 5, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Welp, one day maybe will get a life community that is willing to openly discuss working directly with modders and asking proper permissions.

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:02 AM

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I have two that do that.

grand oyster Aug 5, 2018, 10:26 AM

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Did PSI voluntarily leave or get the 🔨?

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 10:31 AM

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What do you think?

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:31 AM

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Neither. Forced himself to atleast pretend he left to pull his ass out of the crap

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 10:31 AM

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(i meant here)

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:32 AM

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Oh that.. Well. Just look at the last #rules and then you know if he could be here if he wanted to

grand oyster Aug 5, 2018, 10:34 AM

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I was curious as Repentz is still here 🤣

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 10:38 AM

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Has he joined again? I've banned him once

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:41 AM

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no

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But Leeeeroyy is also from PsiSyn. He's building their new server.

grand oyster Aug 5, 2018, 10:42 AM

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@tawny cairn < 🤔

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:44 AM

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And to comment that TRYK thing above. "You can use this in your community" doesn't say you can monetize.
The author pointing to that after being asked if he can monetize also doesn't mean anything

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 10:52 AM

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I'm sorry @steady hare but PsiSyn have been pulling this crap for far too long. Pretending they didn't know, whilst saying otherwise, then making another server with the same infringing content as the first.

You can only steal and then say sorry and then steal again, before someone puts and end to it.

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As such, you are being removed as well. We don't need your cancer here.

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 10:58 AM

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He was trying to build up a new PsiSyn server that's actually legit. And asked for TFAR permission while he knew he still had mods for that server that are clearly violating.
They will never get a clean server running anyway

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Unless they make everything themselves. And they have already shown they are trying everything possible to not have to go the legit route

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 11:02 AM

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I have no sympathy. You can only illicitly monetise and screw modders over so many times before someone takes action. My action is to prohibit any PsiSyn Administrators or developers from accessing this Discord or the Forums.

Do the crime, do the time.

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I'd be quite happy to see Bohemia rescind their current monetisation policy.

tawny sentinel Aug 5, 2018, 11:16 AM

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@soft egret Did you mention HLC in your report?

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 11:16 AM

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ye

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I got all the important ones

tawny sentinel Aug 5, 2018, 11:17 AM

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Awesome, thanks.

rapid wagon Aug 5, 2018, 2:15 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1458210741&searchtext=todt
Todt still contain COD WW2 objects, lemme just get some images first

rapid wagon Aug 5, 2018, 2:38 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/475673845840347137/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/475674797255426098/unknown.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/475675400824029224/unknown.png

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same license plate GWqlabsFacepalm

merry kestrel Aug 5, 2018, 2:46 PM

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yea its flipped to avoid anyone noticing

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wow

rapid wagon Aug 5, 2018, 2:53 PM

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here is flak from the map

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link to 3d site with same model from enemy front https://p3dm.ru/files/weapon/heavy_weapons/7966-flakvierling-.html

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This user said he removed assets that were ripped but there's still some left.

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It also seems he lies in the description saying that flak model is something completely else. http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-10923.html

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:09 PM

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UPDATE: I have mailed the information and pictures regarding that STALKER models mod to Bohemia. It's in their hands now

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Regarding PsiSyn... do they also have CUP Terrains Maps (Takistan) in their modpack? Cause they say Maps is not needed. IIRC, you do need CUP Terrains Maps for Takistan...?

carmine folio Aug 5, 2018, 3:29 PM

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They had it in the other day I was checking, they were instructing users to use CUP Core from Workshop

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Yeah Core, but they say "CUP Terrains - Maps is NOT needed" which of course it is, isn't it for Takistan?

dull moon Aug 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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they ripped takistan from the maps pack and added it to their takistan modpack.

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that's a nono

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and already beeing handled

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Just... why...? Why would you do that? And good to hear Chris...

dull moon Aug 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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because... reasons...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:34 PM

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I guess I'm just odd... I'd just have Maps as a Steam requirement...

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Just so bloody obvious too... especially when they are under a microscope

dull moon Aug 5, 2018, 3:35 PM

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like every other mod, too. but that seems to be too difficult

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Bet they did not get permission from Cunico for the Hidden Items Pack v2 stuff either. That's not on Steam btw

carmine folio Aug 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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they are not getting permissions from anyone xD

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Saw the M40 gas mask in the little clothing video they made

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True dat

dull moon Aug 5, 2018, 3:38 PM

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you can be almost 100% sure that they never asked permission if you read "modpack".
from my experience there are 4-5 "basic life modpacks" floating around that get copy/pasted from one server to another, even getting selled, and nobody using it has the slightes clue what is in there (admins)

tight copper Aug 5, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@paper prawn Stalker?

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That is, under conditions allowed to be used

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If I remember correctly monetization is not ok with it

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Not monetized... but the mod uses models ripped from another STALKER mod that was DCMA-ed by BI for using DayZ assets

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BI enforce their own IP rights quite aggressively

dull moon Aug 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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i also remember reading an article / statement from the stalker devs allowing others to reuse their models in other games, but for the sake of the many gods, i can't seem to find it anymore

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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The STALKER mod is a models pack addon for the Call of Chernobyl STALKER mod. But uses DayZ models...

tight copper Aug 5, 2018, 3:41 PM

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To quote FM ```With regard to STALKER:
GSC has made explicit its position regarding the legal status of mods, including the use of its resources with others games. You can find the original text under the link below. I am attaching a translation, as well.

http://gsc-game.com/russian/index.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=1&thm_id=6798&sec_id=14

Mods (modifications) of a computer game can be made by a person who has legally acquired a licensed copy of the game and exclusively for the purpose of its use on the hardware belonging to the person performing the modification or persons to whom the modification was given on non-commercial basis (such as freely over the Internet).

This means that the person who makes a mod for a computer game can use this modification exclusively on non-commercial basis.

The author of the mod retains authorship and exclusive rights on the mod. However, the resources used for development of the given mod belong to another person. As such, the mod does not wholly belong to the author of the modification, who does not have full control over it (such as for commercial use).

Our company allows non-commercial use of mods for our computer games. If you want to use mods developed for our games (such as from the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series) with another game, you have to turn to that game's developers for permission.```

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 3:42 PM

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That I did not know. Not relevant to the current report which is doing things the other way around. Good news for ARMStalker though

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Happy to see that

faint nacelle Aug 5, 2018, 3:56 PM

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As long as no Metro stuff& others are used.

fossil basalt Aug 5, 2018, 3:59 PM

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That's correct.

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@carmine folio It seems you've missed quite a few things. (scroll up)

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 4:28 PM

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@rapid wagon thanks. Didn't get an answer yet from Activision regarding todt.
Might drop them another mail with the newly discovered stuff

carmine folio Aug 5, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Those props were send to me by a friend as .max files I had no clue in fact they were COD.
Merc is an honest mistake during first cleanup.
In any case I think I will not burden you with my company anymore you gents are just too orthodox for my simple hobby approach to map making.
Good luck on your crusade .
Best regards.

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 5:44 PM

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👋 Have a good life elsewhere

tight copper Aug 5, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@fossil basalt 😃

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Hammer food

soft egret Aug 5, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Would it be possible that Activision also goes after BI because the infringements are for a mod for their game? in their games workshop?

rapid wagon Aug 5, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Good question 🤔

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But hopefully they just file a DMCA claim towards the workshop page

coral torrent Aug 5, 2018, 7:02 PM

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@soft egret I am quite certain BI's legal texts state that people are responsible for their own content and bi will take down anything that they are beeing noticed about regarding ip - that is how basicly every file hoster etc deal with user content

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And maybe it does not touch them at all - at most steam as hosting plattform could be asked for anything

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BI does not host the files, thus is not distributing IP violating material

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and steam has the mentioned rules in their agreements

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DMCA's requests are the way of giving steam a notice to take down hosted content

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Not a lawyer but this is the only thing that kinda makes sense to me

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Would be a slippery slope for a game developer to legally hassle another for user content, so long as the formalities are met. Otherwise, well, what goes around, comes around...

mint edge Aug 5, 2018, 7:16 PM

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the stalker thing

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was DAYZ stuff in a stalker mod

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not stalker -> bi game

paper prawn Aug 5, 2018, 7:27 PM

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^ Yes, that. Apologies if I was not clear. Was clear in the mail to Bohemia

mint edge Aug 5, 2018, 7:44 PM

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o7

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:41 AM

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all, besides the trade mark of this gaz which can easily be removed from the texture, is the car model itself protected by copyright in a way that it cannot be used in commercial games? https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/free-gaz-tigr-3d-model/815184

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any input welcome

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it’s still not clear to me what part constitutes copyright infringment and what part (if any) is acceptable

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 6:46 AM

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 Royalty Free License - Editorial Uses Allowed
Extended Uses May Need Clearances

@hushed fox
Use in games is "Extended Use"

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:47 AM

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understood

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 6:47 AM

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You can click on the "Royalty Free License" link and read up on everything

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:47 AM

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i was wandering if removing the trademark is enough or not

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oh ok

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thank you dedmen

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ok so basically to use a model of an existing car like this one you need clearance from the producers

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if private

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if usa army, for instance, not

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 6:52 AM

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For every pre-made model you use you need permission first.
Some models explicitly say that you can use them. If they don't say anything about it, that's usually a no.

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:54 AM

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i understand that i need permission from the model maker. what i am trying to understand is how to get the “additional clearance”, or if i can do something (legal) to avoid needing it (for instance removing the brand image and substituting it with a non-existant one).

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i guess i’ll pass.

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thank you.

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 6:54 AM

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ah. No you can't

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Removing or adding small parts to a model doesn't change the fact that the original model maker has the copyright on it

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:55 AM

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i’m not worried about the model maker

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because i’ll buy or get permission

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it’s more the original copyright owner (BMW, etc)

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 6:56 AM

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Afaik if you wanna use their emblem you really need to ask.
That's why many just remove them. It's usually not a problem in small non-commercial uses though.
But I'd always go the safe route. Maybe make a fake emblem that looks similar-ish to the original

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 6:58 AM

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ok, so if I get that GAZ model which is royalty free by the 3d artist BUT may need additional clearance from the original car manufacturer, and remove the emblem, I am ok?

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that’s my question sorry if not clear.

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i am trying to understand copyright obligations not for 3d artists (these are obvious) but in regards to original real life manufacturers

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 7:00 AM

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You need clearance for "Extended Use" by the 3D artist to use it in game. Not the car manufacturer.
Because that's what that site says. For the emblem you might need to ask the manufacturer. Unless it's somehow public knowledge that they allow it's use anywhere

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 7:01 AM

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ok thanks.

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:02 AM

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👁

burnt oak Aug 6, 2018, 7:02 AM

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For the BMW emblem why not use the substitute car maker that BI uses for that one civilian suv as that car is clearly a BMW.

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:04 AM

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You do understand @hushed fox that the price difference will be significant? It’s much like buying an educational license vs a commercial license.

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 7:04 AM

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yes i do.

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again: sorry if not clear, maybe wrong example up there.

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there are 3d models where artists sell full rights, but they are marked as “need clearance” because they depict real life models

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:06 AM

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I checked into one once before. The royalty free license was £250, the extended licence was near £5,000

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 7:06 AM

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i guess the safe answer is to stay aways from those

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:06 AM

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And remove them from the forum posts.

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 7:07 AM

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@burnt oak bmw was just an example, but good suggestion 😃

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@fossil basalt lost you there... i need to remove something?

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:15 AM

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Did you make a forum post? It’s early and not had my coffee yet.

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 7:23 AM

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no, I didn’t 😃

heady stump Aug 6, 2018, 7:25 AM

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@fossil basalt Streamline your coffee intake: french press collection on your nightstand

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 7:34 AM

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☕️

stoic beacon Aug 6, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Has anyone contact to Yura Petrov? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1197485239

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:37 AM

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@hushed fox "Royalty Free License" means you can exploit it commercially. The reason they added "extended uses may need clearance" is to avoid them getting sued for damages if you get sued by the trademark owner.

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They are selling you "rights to use the work commercially" but withholding any warranty in relation to trademarked content

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it's a robust practice seen on all good model markets

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it's a good idea to check with each artist that your royalty-free license applies to commercial work, but on balance, the fact they say "royalty-free" means that the yexpect you to generate income, and the ywill ask for no part of that.

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we have more than 100 models in unsung mod that fall into that category. If you look very closely at the weapons some may have "Colt" stamped on the receiver etc. But then the Bohemia UH-1 has BELL stamped on the pedals too.

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for non-commercial releases it arguably falls into "fair-use" and no trademark owner is likely to bat an eyelid at your mod. as soon as you monetize or put a pricetag on it though, expect a C&D letter

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:43 AM

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@olive sparrow you exactly got the point of my original question.

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which was not to discuss 3d model artist rights, but how to actually use a model of an existing manufacturer

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:44 AM

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i have a commercial (and environmental) law background

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:44 AM

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😃

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maybe i was unable to convey my question clearly

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so it looks that for a free arma mod: it’s “ok”, i.e. accepted even though strictly not legal

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for a paying game: nay nay

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:45 AM

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basically, if you buy this model, you have the rights to exploit it, and you can release it as a free mod, but if you wish to monetize it, or make a dlc with it, you should modify any logo, and possibly some shape characteristics (if the manufacturer copyrighted shape)

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:46 AM

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like the front of a jeep, i guess

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:46 AM

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arguably, to be 100% safe, modify the logos to avoid any steam workshop DMCA takedown

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well a jeep might be a korean war model, and so be out of copyright

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:47 AM

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i guess that’s why arma vanilla has all unconventional vehicles

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and now, for example, a humvee

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:47 AM

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yeah although we use arma 2 models in arma 3, licensed to us by BI, and some of them have trademarks in them

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:47 AM

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ah

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:47 AM

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humvee is a very good example as they trademarked their shape afaik

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:47 AM

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well maybe bi did ask for clearance

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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no, i don't think they did 😉

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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ok

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well

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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but so far BELL has not sent us a C&D for using the arma 2 UH-1

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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after all it can be considered as positive for the trademark and for that reason, they close an eye and allow it

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:48 AM

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and if they did, we'd clean up those pesky pedals

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:49 AM

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hum

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:49 AM

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it's more that you're falling outside of their interest. they have commercial strategies for copyright enforcement, as it costs money to act.

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:49 AM

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i’m trying to find a military jeep or similar that could be used commercially.

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yes that makes sense.

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:50 AM

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should be ok with many models, just remove any brands /logos

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:50 AM

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do you know anything about that gaz?

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would be perfect for me

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:52 AM

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231k polys?

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what game you want that for? not arma

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the tools will crash when you import it

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:52 AM

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lol

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i will reduce it

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http://www.igcd.net/vehicles.php?make=GAZ&model=233014+Tigr

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games that have a gaz

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only “big” names

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i guess they got clearance

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:54 AM

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kutejnokov is a good artist too, we've bought some of his models before

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:55 AM

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thank you again @olive sparrow it’s not the first time you’re being super helpful to me

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 8:55 AM

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i would just modify the shape a little (10%) andremove trademarks fro mthe steering wheel, hood, rear, and tyres

hushed fox Aug 6, 2018, 8:58 AM

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ok!

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 9:08 AM

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@stoic beacon btw someone else (now banned because of other #ip_rights_violations) asked Steam support directly. And they answered "you can upload anything but you have to take it down if the author asks"
I'm starting to understand where all the "Just ask and I'll take it down" people are coming from.

stoic beacon Aug 6, 2018, 9:09 AM

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Wow

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He actually does not want anything uploaded on there and removed some stuff

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 9:10 AM

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That's what you get for asking the "support department" about legal questions.
Same thing happened with BI recently where they answered stuff that legally can't be true.

stoic beacon Aug 6, 2018, 9:10 AM

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So if I upload RHS, I'm good until they tell me to take it down. Then I take it down and I'm good. Then I just reupload it again and I'm good for the time PuFu needs to write the next DMCA?

mental edge Aug 6, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Thank god for Optix. ^

fossil basalt Aug 6, 2018, 9:11 AM

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@olive sparrow Thanks for the clarification!

blazing wyvern Aug 6, 2018, 9:18 AM

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steam support really sucks , they could be replaced by bots if they arent already

echo orchid Aug 6, 2018, 9:29 AM

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one more thing about licenses and turbosquid - not all licenses allow redistribution (even if they do allow commercial use), and a mod is just that

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https://blog.turbosquid.com/royalty-free-license/


Redistributing or otherwise making TurboSquid products available to end-users.

If you are redistributing something that includes actual 3D product files, the TurboSquid files must be part of a larger creation and not in an open format that others can be downloaded. Most game engines, such as Unity and Unreal, handle this automatically. In general, to prevent your end-users from obtaining TurboSquid products, you should use proprietary formats that cannot be extracted, exported, or decompiled without reverse engineering.```

TurboSquid Blog

Jamie Reily

Using the TurboSquid Royalty Free License - TurboSquid Blog

west terrace Aug 6, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Pbo would class as proprietary format thus making Ur redistribution fine though wouldn't it? especially u make it such that to get a model out they have to use an extractor etc

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It's not the raw 3d model files. That's to stop people just leaving the model in original form

grand oyster Aug 6, 2018, 10:23 AM

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I mean the model becomes .p3d, then placed in a pbo

west terrace Aug 6, 2018, 10:23 AM

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^^

grand oyster Aug 6, 2018, 10:24 AM

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So I'd deem it a proprietary format 🤣

west terrace Aug 6, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Yeh. That's why they mention how ue4 etc handle all that

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 10:26 AM

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that cannot be extracted, exported, or decompiled without reverse engineering.
Doesn't apply to PBO. BI and many others provide tools to extract them

grand oyster Aug 6, 2018, 10:28 AM

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Would obfuscation of both the pbo and .p3d sort of remedy that?

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 10:35 AM

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Uhh.. Doesn't change the actual file format. And the file format itself can usually be extracted

echo orchid Aug 6, 2018, 10:35 AM

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.p3d works as long as it is binarized

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 12:36 PM

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i think you misunderstood the intention of their license there. what they are saying is you cannot buy this model for commercial purposes which include the intention to sell it to other people to use as a 3d model in the same way that it is being sold to you. otherwise you could buy it and then re-sell it cheaper than turbosquid many times over.

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so you can incorporate it into a game and sell that, but you cannot upload it to a store and re-sell it as a "3d model for sale"

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in every instance whe nyou consider a license or a contract, it is always helpful to consider, "what is their aim? what are they protecting against?"

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as this context shines a lot of light on what might otherwise bethought of as dubious wording

agile gyro Aug 6, 2018, 1:13 PM

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Exactly - good to go with BI tools. Binarized addon then would need reverse engineering to get the model out in the form it has be sold to the mod maker.

echo orchid Aug 6, 2018, 1:29 PM

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i think YOU misunderstood the intention of their license there.
who is you in that sentance?

snow bloom Aug 6, 2018, 2:55 PM

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You, clearly

soft egret Aug 6, 2018, 3:33 PM

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PuFYOu

echo orchid Aug 6, 2018, 4:51 PM

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weird, considering, opposed to some other here, i actually bought models before for different projects, never really for game modding, so i am well aware how to read a license...

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not sure where the misunderstandment is

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redistribution is something i had to consider several times when working with multiple studios and we had to pass back and forth some models and scenes

olive sparrow Aug 6, 2018, 5:17 PM

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i meant dedmen

mint edge Aug 6, 2018, 8:37 PM

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when in doubt buy it again

fickle ivy Aug 7, 2018, 5:22 PM

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exactly, buy it for every download on your mod page 👍

burnt oak Aug 7, 2018, 6:34 PM

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soo I just noticed this while looking for new mods.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1469122038&searchtext=

And they are awaiting approval from BI for monetization according to their "donation" thread
https://takistanrevolution.mistforums.com/thread/donation-info-446814

Mods they use on the server (though not all of them reuploaded into that mod) are like RHS, CUP, NIarms, task force radio
Among the Repacked mods are BWI mod, Jonzi, "mm_buildings", tryk

Just throwing it out there, have not done anything

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 6:35 PM

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I should make a bot that grabs the approved servers list every day and notifies me about new ones

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that way I can report them on their first day after being approved 😄

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I'll just wait till they got approval. And then take them down again.

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To throw BI the "you didn't even check at all" right into their face.

dull moon Aug 7, 2018, 6:51 PM

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@burnt oak
thx, i left a comment on the item site. we'll see what happens next

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Man.. This was a good opportunity to check if BI really verifies servers before approving them

dull moon Aug 7, 2018, 6:53 PM

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aaah shit... you're right

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ffs

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why didn't you tell me earlier?

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😄

burnt oak Aug 7, 2018, 6:53 PM

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just delete the comment

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 6:53 PM

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I wrote it above

dull moon Aug 7, 2018, 6:54 PM

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FUCK... i misread this

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Also he knows that he cannot use the mods. Before seeking approval you have to read the rules anyway. And they say that.

dull moon Aug 7, 2018, 6:54 PM

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comment deleted

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 6:54 PM

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no need to warn people about it. If they want to not read/ignore the rules then a warning won't help anyway

stoic beacon Aug 7, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Apparently BI doesn't verify a server before they get approval. I'd guess all they do is ask if the server owners have permission and the server owners lie to them. @soft egret Task force radio has to be in a seperate folder and not repacked in another one right? Did you make any exceptions for Eisenschmiede Gaming?

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 7:06 PM

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that repack thingy only applies for workshop reuploads

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And I only enforce that rule when I feel like it

safe arrow Aug 7, 2018, 7:17 PM

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In fact he has three workshop entries (2 for his Takistan RP-thingy both with the same stuff):
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198080904782/myworkshopfiles/
One has already a pending DMCA

paper prawn Aug 7, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Surely this, on their donations page would violate BI's rules: Donator Store - "DONATOR STORE DO NOT OFFER GEAR INACCESSIBLE TO NON-DONORS" Donator Stores are located at the two Donator locations on the map. One is on the Souther Side, and at this location donators can access rebel weapons and gun store, as well as truck shops and car shops that are typically spread around the map. The Northern location does not have rebel weapons which is exclusive to the South side of the map, in order to not give donators an unfair advantage.Since they are offering an easy way to get gear which is an in game advantage...?

narrow topaz Aug 7, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Correct. You cannot have vendors which are accessible to donors only

soft egret Aug 7, 2018, 7:46 PM

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They intentionally keep it vague though.
Gear with custom skins that others can't get? that's cosmetic

paper prawn Aug 7, 2018, 7:48 PM

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I love this: "The Northern location does not have rebel weapons which is exclusive to the South side of the map, in order to not give donators an unfair advantage." ... Uh, so all the donators stay on the south of Takistan or just use that store...

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Server like that won't last long anyway... admins probably all have access to God Mode (cancer!) and any players they get will leave asap after donator and admin abuse...?

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"DONATOR STORE DO NOT OFFER GEAR INACCESSIBLE TO NON-DONORS" == Gear that players who do not donate cannot buy, but can get off AI, loot or (most likely) killing donators

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Also they should check on the legal definition of donations... and in what circumstances you can say you will not refund a donation: "Refund Policy: The packages that you purchase here are intangible goods. We have a strict no refund policy. Your donations do NOT have a refund policy for what you have bought for the server."... "purchase" ... "bought for" are not terms associated with a donation

mint edge Aug 7, 2018, 7:55 PM

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they are selling weapons which have skins on them, they are not taking a weapon you already have and giving it a new skin this is not cosmetic only

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obtaining a gun through a real money transaction no matter what it looks like is still purchasing an item which is functional to the point of being a "p2w" mechanic

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same with selling cosmetic armor pieces or cosmetic cars

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because it has the word "cosmetic" in it doesn't fucking mean your ONLY getting a new texture on something, it means your actually getting that something that has the texture, I.e selling someone a car for 5$ that comes with a unique skin

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it's a no brainer lol

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unless they clearly state AND show they are not spawning in a vehicle with the texture for you to use, they are in violation if my understanding of the rules is correct so if a store lets you drive a car to it then "repaint" it, that should be perfectly within the scope of the rules

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but if you are donating and receiving a car with the skin in question, that is not allowed

prisma scaffold Aug 8, 2018, 7:28 AM

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That gets into big fat gray squishy talk though

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Like what defines competive, ect.

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I do see your point though

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Guy posts in 7 year old OFP thread on BIF that's about debinarizing p3d's, that the method that was posted there 7 years ago doesn't work with DayZ 0.63 p3d's.
I smell incoming #ip_rights_violations

echo orchid Aug 8, 2018, 9:03 AM

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necropost of the year

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 9:55 AM

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PSISyn's "Australia Life mod" video has something quite familiar. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/476689792604569621/unknown.png

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 9:58 AM

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~~PsiSyn has Australia life? Since when? Or is it unmonetized?~~
Dedmen can't read today. Yeah. Nothing out of ordinary. Their "developers" are stealing stuff everywhere ^^

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Well if it's on their steam workshop modpack it's a no no.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Ahhh.. Anzus Gaming.

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Yeah. Reports for them are already written. Not sure if I sent it out already. I'll add that info to it. Can you tell me from which game that model is?

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 10:04 AM

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"Lollipop chainsaw"

blazing wyvern Aug 8, 2018, 10:05 AM

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i wonder who ports these things , probably taken from gmod that ripped it

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 10:07 AM

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It runs on Unreal Engine, from what I've heard. That's easy to rip

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Ah they already got their monetization approval revoked. One of their admins contacted me and wanted help fixing his issues last week

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 10:09 AM

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lol

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:10 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/474624359349223425 there

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What a coincidence that PsiSyn is AGAIN playing on a server full of ripped stuff and mods that they don't have permission to monetize.

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That guy sure seems to have some bad luck choosing his servers to play on...

echo orchid Aug 8, 2018, 10:12 AM

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if no one bothers to send a damn C&D this will continue to happen

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send a C&D, and report for tax evasion

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pretty sure that will clear things out in an iffy

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:13 AM

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@rigid otter you are developer on there. Do you know when they plan to clean up the mess?

rapid wagon Aug 8, 2018, 10:16 AM

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gotta get that gta 5 content https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468550158464974868/476695070116937750/unknown.png

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Will never understand why people don't just play life stuff in GTA. Feels way better suited..

burnt oak Aug 8, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Because adding content like cars is a lot harder in gta then in arma. here oyu just load tha pbo and tada. in gta you might need to merge files manually and the likes. also gotta pack all of the mods into one giant pack file so it loads ingame

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Okey yeah.. People who just steal all their content together without asking for permission probably wanna take the lowest effort route they can

echo orchid Aug 8, 2018, 10:25 AM

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in a game where the main assets is cars....

merry kestrel Aug 8, 2018, 10:26 AM

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In Arma, its alot easier to do what you want compared to GTA

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and they usually try to fly under the radar

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it is possible their are 100's of Servers that have such "content" and are off both Steam and BI Forums, they might have their own websites and use Teamspeak and/or Discord to distribute their modpacks

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 12:25 PM

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They are playing life in gta 🤔 With even more ripped stuff... I've recently talked to a guy who obviously ripped models. He said that he asked the Author of the GTA Mod to use his Model, the Author said yes, so he assumed it would be okay. Even tho the models were taken from Forza and the GTA Mod Author even states that...

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Stuff like that: ```Original Car Author: Forza Horizon 3
Custom Parts: Lord Neophyte

Please donate for more mods and Zmodeler program license so i can get u more awesome carmods :)

Standard license, approximately $4.50/mo. so every Dollar is needed for get a new license ever month... ```

frail flint Aug 8, 2018, 2:45 PM

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degenerates gonna be degenerate

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too many people want that quick reward on someone else's hard work

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and game providers like steam need to step up and work at making it harder for people to get away with it, as opposed to their current IDGAF attitude

merry kestrel Aug 8, 2018, 2:51 PM

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I would just love if there was a system of Two Strikes you are out

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after that, you cannot post anymore stuff to the Steam Workshop for the game you did it on

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and if you get two games' workshops bans

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you get banned from ALL workshops

frail flint Aug 8, 2018, 2:52 PM

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I think there should be a game ban along with the workshop ban

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as you're clearly not doing the community any favours

merry kestrel Aug 8, 2018, 2:52 PM

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maybe

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I think game bans should be handeled by Devs rather than steam

faint nacelle Aug 8, 2018, 2:59 PM

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does not matter who hands it as long as there were real punishments

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 3:00 PM

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clean up what mess @soft egret ?

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 3:10 PM

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@rigid otter probably all the mods that are used without permission?

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 3:16 PM

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which ones?

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why is it that everyone here is so passive aggressive in their messages?

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I don't have the list, I cant tell you

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 3:17 PM

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i've been told they got permission for everything that is currently used

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Well, doesn't seem like that's the case

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 3:18 PM

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there was two fucktards running it a while back and they crashed it into the ground and somebody else revived it who is currently running it

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but ok, i'll reply back when i can have a rough idea of what they don't have permission for

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Maybe you should ask him to make sure he has permission, before BI will contact the owners again and moneitziation approval is removed once again

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 3:19 PM

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that was the first thing i asked him when i joined

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to my knowledge he messaged BI and paused monetization voluntarily when he discovered content he didn't have permission for in the modpack. it was removed as soon as he discovered it

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Frank knows he doesn't have permission for everything. But after a week the stuff wasn't cleaned up. I though you might be informed about ongoing things

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:33 PM

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I went to donate on ANZUS and Frank said he isn't taking donations for perks right now due to him pausing monetisation

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He explained that he is relatively new to the mod seen and wasn't aware of the strict rules/regulations behind it as he was given the ANZUSGaming Mods by the old owner of Australia Life

faint nacelle Aug 8, 2018, 3:33 PM

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donation for perk is a sale

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btw

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:33 PM

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I just said he wasn't taking donations for any perks

faint nacelle Aug 8, 2018, 3:34 PM

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was just clarifying it cant be called a donation

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but thats offtopic

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carry on

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:34 PM

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The frank kid seemed really genuine and just wanting to have a fun community for people to play on and said he spent 10+ hours writing emails to a lot of people to get the permission

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I know what he has done is not right but give the kid a break..

faint nacelle Aug 8, 2018, 3:35 PM

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hes had many

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:35 PM

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.He showed me his boehmia sent items and there is like 10+ messages

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@faint nacelle I like to read this chat on the bus to work and I have never seen him treated like the noob he is

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Yeah he seemed genuine to me too.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I literally watched the kid spend 1.5 hours helping someone fix their TFR

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That much time for one player.. idk he doesn't seem like your average person that runs a server

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I have been in the life seen for years

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@carmine folio you are frank as linked in your discord profile, you know ban evasion is against tos right?

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:40 PM

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What

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:40 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/Frankkah/

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funny you just disabled it 😃

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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See what I mean, people making up stuff to try cause issues.

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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screenshots do not lie.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Editing stuff is relatively easy man.

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I watched a stream yesterday where people tried to fuck frank over the whole time...

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You're 100% one of them

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Constant ddosing, lies etc

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img923/1614/wkAx4u.png

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Very very immature.

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:41 PM

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yep, cos im that good at photoshop.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Okey.. Frank is loosing a ton of reputation from me now.

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You better leave before a moderator gives you the shoe.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:43 PM

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http://prntscr.com/kg9bfh

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Not hard.

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:43 PM

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lol

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@fossil basalt please?

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@fossil basalt It's a fake screenshot.

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I am happy to discord call

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You can find franks voice everywhere

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Pretty pathetic attempt @heavy moon

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:47 PM

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not really, i checked your profile to see who you were, opened the linked steam account and got presented with franks profile, math is not difficult.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Why are you trying to ruin the kids reputation? What did he do to you?

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:48 PM

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you did nothing to me frank, but you are abusing the ip rights of several community authors and had already reuploaded game content to the workshop,. so just stop masquerading behind a fake account and clean your life up, literally.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Comes to defend someone, gets accused of being them.

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Nice

old mauve Aug 8, 2018, 3:49 PM

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[...] clean your life up[...]

Many levels to that. Nice.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:49 PM

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People who employ cheap Witten tactics don't stay here for long

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:50 PM

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@soft egret Then get rid of Uro he is clearly the problem... the screenshot is clearly fake.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Man you are dense 😄

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:50 PM

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haha this guy is hillarious.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:50 PM

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You could get through with that. But first you have to proove that this is not the real Uro

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Come into a voice chat with me?

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Then listen to Franks voice on PsiSyn stream

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:51 PM

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In the meantime. #rules ban-evasion means you are spamming right now.

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Come down to general_voice

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Your account joined this server 2 hours after Frank got banned. And your discord account was connected with his steam account. So bugger off now

carmine folio Aug 8, 2018, 3:53 PM

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I am out of here, very pathetic you ruining peoples fun.

fossil basalt Aug 8, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Yes, you are, goodbye

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I've left his spam as evidence.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Faked screenshot lmao..
Why would anyone fake a screenshot with a steam account name from months ago on it? If you are gonna fake it anyway why not use the current steam name.

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PsiSyn is rubbing off some of his character on Frank it seems

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Btw BI didn't process my PsiSyn report yet that I sent on the weekend :u

heavy moon Aug 8, 2018, 3:58 PM

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nah it just seems whenever one of those types appears, the aftermath is a bunch of random people adding comment to debate they were not party of prior to any events.

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anyways appreciate the swift response @fossil basalt

echo orchid Aug 8, 2018, 4:09 PM

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🍿

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 4:15 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/476468897164558346
Guess who sent me a friend invite on steam today.
He has a VAC ban. And is excluded from trading currently. Which is shown as a red message beside his name on the friend request.

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Btw he created a new workshop item yesterday https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1469122038

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8 in his steam reupload alone that he can't monetize. Not even counting the dependencies

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He has a CUP reupload in his friends-only items.

This modpack is the core content for centerlink gaming's Takistan Life server.
Not all of the content of this modpack are made by us, and this modpack is a compilation of multiple different mods. 

Community Teamspeak: centregaming.ts3.cloud
Community Website: www.centrelinkgaming.mistforums.com

Well his first Takistan life server was apparently a fail.. So he's just making another one. GG
Oh and PLRP too.
And another CUP Terrain reupload for his PLRP server.
He is on his 3rd Takistan RP server now. Since march 2017.
First one around April 2017. Second one Nov-Dec 2017.
Newest one now.

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 4:25 PM

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wow

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how many times does he need to fail to get the message? xd

faint nacelle Aug 8, 2018, 4:29 PM

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as long as kids throw money at his shit he will keep going.

soft egret Aug 8, 2018, 4:35 PM

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pre-order the right to play on it :3
It's not Arma monetization if the Arma server doesn't exist and it's just a scam

rigid otter Aug 8, 2018, 4:45 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vast notch Aug 8, 2018, 5:13 PM

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@heavy moon I could tell it was fake as it had the wrong shoes on 😄

olive sparrow Aug 8, 2018, 6:16 PM

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more trash blowing through eh?

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glad i missed that lol

mental edge Aug 8, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Lol rereading the above, I already suspected the kid was Frank before Uro called him out. Damn how can people be this ******. My apologies for not being exactly on topic here.

stoic beacon Aug 8, 2018, 6:20 PM

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This was actually the most entertaining thing in here since a while. Guy pretending to be someone else, and defending his actual him

fossil basalt Aug 8, 2018, 6:21 PM

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You’d be surprised how common that is. Also, having multiple members of a community join the Discord to defend some thief who’s been banned.

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(Joining in rapid succession that is)

serene kiln Aug 9, 2018, 6:01 AM

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griller Yesterday at 4:33 PM
I went to donate on ANZUS and Frank said he isn't taking donations for perks right now due to him pausing monetisation

grillerYesterday at 4:33 PM
I just said he wasn't taking donations for any perks

seems like the right thing to do as he has no monetization...

oh wait...

https://i.imgur.com/AqiA7jh.png
https://i.imgur.com/jXrjMiX.png
https://i.imgur.com/JwMdkV4.png

how odd. time to put the 🔨 down?

heavy moon Aug 9, 2018, 6:38 AM

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send an email to the address in the channel topic

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 6:55 AM

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@serene kiln always make sure to get the windows date onto the pictures. Or atleast have dates in filename

serene kiln Aug 9, 2018, 7:04 AM

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i will do @heavy moon although, any reports i make to the email never seem to lead to anything, or no reply

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 7:06 AM

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I already have a conversation going with their legal department concerning anzus gaming. I'll just throw this stuff into there

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Btw your screenshots aren't enough. nothing forbidden on there

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They can accept donations without getting anything back. Which is what your screenshots show.

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But if you just clicked a couple donations lower...
https://s.sqf.ovh/firefox_2018-08-09_09-07-02.png

serene kiln Aug 9, 2018, 7:07 AM

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@soft egret have done..

just but a few, its never ending

https://i.imgur.com/PsLnc6S.png
https://i.imgur.com/eVI0M2i.png
https://i.imgur.com/YnGHANa.png
https://i.imgur.com/N8gOqxV.png
https://i.imgur.com/5x3lE9G.png
https://i.imgur.com/2eqTbXp.png
https://i.imgur.com/5h2jK2E.png

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Yeah I also have a dozen screenshots now.

coral torrent Aug 9, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Server you want "donation" on .... yeah

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 7:11 AM

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For reference he stopped monetization at 2nd August. And I have 3 confirmed "donations" that got back donator ingame perks since then. And over a dozen donations that are asking for donator perks. Hundreds of dollars.

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Can I DMCA workshop items that just use my mod as a dependency?

serene kiln Aug 9, 2018, 7:12 AM

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$300 in 2 days, although to paraphrase 'all the money goes into upkeep'

coral torrent Aug 9, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Must be some world class server system they got there 😉

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Wow.. I just went through all the PMs I got over night. Literally 3 people PMing me about the fact that AnzusGaming is still selling donator perks.
2 People of which I never had contact with before 😄

mental edge Aug 9, 2018, 1:39 PM

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A fool and his money ...

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 1:41 PM

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He contacted me and told me I got it all wrong. They are not giving out perks they are waiting till they can monetize again and will give them out then.
But why does staff say "your perks have been added" in past perfect then? And when I asked him about what he wanted to gain with his ban-evasion account yesterday he stopped responding

coral torrent Aug 9, 2018, 1:50 PM

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@soft egret I would assume for what they showed on their forums, that their server can not be monitized at all. I saw exclusive access to arma gear items, which nut just a cosmetic such as a vehicle skins. And for that amount of money "donated" i doubt it stops there

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So he is basically ignoring all warnings and continues to do what he wants

manic violet Aug 9, 2018, 2:05 PM

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GREED is what all this is about. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE OR ANYBODY ELSE'S RIGHTS OR PROPERTY. As long as they know they can get away with it - they will continue. Bohemia havent done anything to solve this in the last four years, so why would they stop? They can make hundreds of $ a week and they know there is literally nothing you can do about it. Only legal action, or full removal of mods will change this situation, otherwise nothing will change and this greed will spill over into DayZ, Arma4 and any other bohemia game where these great community mods can be used.

fossil basalt Aug 9, 2018, 2:58 PM

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It’s why I support the revocation of monetisation (on BIs part). As in no one can monetise.

merry kestrel Aug 9, 2018, 3:47 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1471144979&searchtext= has uploaded and even edited mods that are included in there

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also

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1468867734

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this steals off of PLP Urban Packs

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even the description

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/477142779735048212/Evidence_1.png

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/477142801230856202/Evidence_2.png

soft egret Aug 9, 2018, 3:57 PM

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guy from first link already noticed by himself

mental edge Aug 9, 2018, 4:51 PM

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The best part imo is:

Notes:
Any unauthorized modification of the released files is not allowed without any written permission by Sofian.

mustn't lose faith in humanity

merry kestrel Aug 9, 2018, 8:50 PM

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and he deleted comments that were telling him he stole content

mint edge Aug 9, 2018, 11:26 PM

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well his map is shit so lol @ him

rapid wagon Aug 10, 2018, 12:08 AM

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The top part maybe isn't that important but look here. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468550158464974868/477266886787203083/unknown.png

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I am not sure how these obvious Forza rips go by but the fact there's so many of them bothers me. Is there some kind of license for the game where you need to credit and it's fine? I don't believe so but this guy seems to try to hide the fact these are ripped in a way.

mental edge Aug 10, 2018, 2:47 AM

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@rapid wagon nope, just report them to their legal dpt. forzafb@microsoft.com

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 6:38 AM

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They cannot monetize Lakeside (because they are too lazy to fix their problems)
They've shut down their only non rule breaking server.
Their takistan server got a monetization violation report last week.

What would a PsiSyn do now? Shut down the Lakeside server because it isn't generating any money. And pull up a new server quickly before Takistan goes down.
These people are always up for surprises

Ofcause as nice side effects.. All the players gotta pay for premium membership on that new server again.
So to anyone that plays on PsiSyn servers who reads this. Stop getting yourself scammed please.

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 6:59 AM

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Damn, this is worse than microtransactions in NBA 2K...
Is it really making BI enough (in sales I guess?) to not enforce this stuff too much or are they like understaffed?

fossil basalt Aug 10, 2018, 7:09 AM

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I don't think they see it in a monetary or player count sense. I think they see the whole thing as a headache.

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 7:10 AM

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I think PsiSyn is making more money with this than BI.
People buy Arma once. But re-buy premium everytime PsiSyn starts up a new server
And BI doesn't check that they are actually following the monetization rules when they start. So it takes a couple weeks till someone makes a list of all the violations and BI takes them down. The weeks where they make the most money

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 7:12 AM

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I mean if they see it as a headache... 🤷 There's acure

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But that probably kinda confirms the understaffed guess

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 8:15 AM

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https://psisyn.com/forums/ Well... I'm trying my best to contain my rofl

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Nice how he calls out hacker and bug problems.. But the Monetization violation issues were apparently not a problem.
Interesting timing.. They should've gotten a Mail from BI this week telling them that they need to remove most of their Takistan servers mods.

carmine folio Aug 10, 2018, 9:54 AM

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They actually kept the money donated/monetized and decided to shutdown their services? What a theft......

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 9:55 AM

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I heard Repentz closed his paypal to prevent people from backcharging

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Not like we all knew it was all just a scam to generate as much money as possible.

carmine folio Aug 10, 2018, 9:57 AM

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They probably saw this coming, IP rights claims incoming, monetization "issues", they probably figured out "let`s squeeze last dollars from our user and then screw them over"

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Anyone who had perks on the PsiSyn servers can contact their team to get those perks on the new server.
It's nice when they admit to wrongdoing voluntarily isn't it.

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Makes me think though.. If that server is so closely connected to PsiSyn that everyone can get their perks back there..
Is it also so closely connected that the scam scheme just continues there?

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 10:08 AM

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I have no doubt they'll be doing same shit there.

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Just looking at the website... My name is tagKnife, Most of you might know me from PsiSyn as website manager. I will be helping to manage the website here.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just moved all the shit on new branding with another person as point of contact as psisyn is nuclear now.

hallow lark Aug 10, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Their primary mod pack for new server.
https://i.gyazo.com/512ffcb2aca689a7cfb40950b9497f7c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/981be04192d9d42030c9ceaec63fa36c.png

soft egret Aug 10, 2018, 10:21 AM

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XD

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That's a bad start 😄

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Good luck for pulling half of their mods back out when they try to get monetized 😄

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 10:23 AM

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I have a small feeling this resurrection will not last too long

low tapir Aug 10, 2018, 10:25 AM

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Same people running it. Just trying to hide the actual owners/money makers. Guess they think we are really that gullible lol

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 10:26 AM

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I find it ironic that they use bunch of kickass' mods

stoic beacon Aug 10, 2018, 10:30 AM

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How many reports have you sent BI about their Servers? They know exactly which mods not to use and they are still doing the exact same thing. I'm speechless....
How hard can it be to set up a clean Server?

burnt oak Aug 10, 2018, 10:32 AM

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it would require to make their own content, which costs time and money

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but this is not abotu spending money, nonono

fossil basalt Aug 10, 2018, 10:37 AM

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Will make sure to put them at the top of the scrutiny pile.

frail flint Aug 10, 2018, 11:08 AM

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honestly if BI wants to give me a salary, I'll work solely on this stuff

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would love a job that I enjoy 😛

fossil basalt Aug 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

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Get in the queue

frail flint Aug 10, 2018, 12:03 PM

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yes boss 😃

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BI's new counter-shitbag department

steep quiver Aug 10, 2018, 2:06 PM

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BI should get more competitive on job market for devs before they hire monetization control dpt

fossil basalt Aug 10, 2018, 9:50 PM

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Why should they? They actually have a very good business model for where they are located.

cinder ridge Aug 11, 2018, 10:33 AM

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Does anyone know if AnzusGaming did gain monetization permission yet?
They asked at the dbo horses thread for permission stating they have been approved:
https://i.imgur.com/qIxidnU.png

river spear Aug 11, 2018, 10:38 AM

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"We take donations for perk in-game such as cool looking car and vehicle skins"

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Don't you love it when you donate and get something in return for it

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It's just like... buying something, isn't it?

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Except of course nothing is being sold here, if the amount of money was to go too high surely it wouldn't require to be taxed, it's donations afterall, just a lucky coincidence that they get cool new stuff at the same time, truely a lucky coincidence

cinder ridge Aug 11, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Yeah its kinda strange isnt it?
Also I just checked: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3
And didnt find their "community" there, so if anyone is in contact with DeanosBeano you may want to let him know, not that it would stop those guys from putting it on their server anyways I guess -.-

river spear Aug 11, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Real talk: I can't find their name on the approved for monetization list

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Also I just realized that you know have to select a game while navigating to the approved for monetization list

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So looks like DayZ will have the same issues lol

cinder ridge Aug 11, 2018, 10:44 AM

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As long as there is no workshop...there's hope I guess.

river spear Aug 11, 2018, 11:24 AM

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I'm sure there will be

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:10 PM

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Did KA Weapons ever become legit?

grand oyster Aug 11, 2018, 12:13 PM

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no

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:13 PM

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👌

soft egret Aug 11, 2018, 12:14 PM

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@cinder ridge AnzusGaming got their monetization approval revoked because of violations
So yes.. they "have been approved" but they aren't anymore. And they are even still monetizing even though they don't have approval. And they are still running the mods that they cannot use.

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Best thing about a mod with manual compatibility is that I can deny mods with stolen content 🙏

soft egret Aug 11, 2018, 12:18 PM

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Thanks mate! You were the last mod we needed to get approval for to submit to Bohemia to get our monetization unpaused woohoo!
Lol. Yeah. And what's with the other couple mods they didn't get permission for? Just remove them or pretend they got permission?

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:23 PM

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@soft egret you never heard of the term fake it until you make it? Or maybe its better suited as “Fake it and hope no one notices”

frail flint Aug 11, 2018, 12:35 PM

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I'm correct in saying that getting access to a "donator shop" is in violation of BI's monetization, correct?

soft egret Aug 11, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Not sure. If it doesn't have a gameplay advantage then not

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Depends on whats offered I guess, if its exclusive vehicles or weapons then yes. But if it were like skins for your weapon/vehicle/clothes then no

soft egret Aug 11, 2018, 12:37 PM

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If it's the only store in a big part of the map and only donators can access it and other people have to travel far away then I'd call that a gameplay advantage

fervent needle Aug 11, 2018, 12:39 PM

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That too

cinder ridge Aug 11, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Didnt expect them to get permission that fast, I guess I'll let the author know what kinds of people he just gave permission to...

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Hiya lads, I'm looking for a little advice regarding IP rights. It's not mod related, but related to a community website for an Arma 3 group

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I created a website in my own free time for that community, as I was apart of their command structure, and earlier today I made it known that I would be leaving, ironically because I felt things were a touch toxic. I made it known that I would be taking my website files with me, as I was the creator and I no longer wished for them to use it. With that, I downloaded my files off their web server, replacing it with a default error page. Not 20 minutes after doing said action, my files were reuploaded. My question is, if I created the website (everything bar avatars, which I left on the file server), am I the IP owner?

soft egret Aug 11, 2018, 2:38 PM

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yes you are

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like any other source code

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And If you didn't put a license onto it which allows them to use it. They can't

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Fantastic, thank you. I'd definitely appreciate any advice over what to do as the situation matures

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Question, does the likes of images fall under the same rules?

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Anything you create does.

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Thanks Rock

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:08 PM

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The only issue that comes up is if you create something in a partnership or mutually beneficial agreement

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ie modding team

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workload is shared etc and all contribute to a larger goal

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:09 PM

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I get ya, well I was the only contributor to the vast majority of content on that server, bar the likes of myBB forum software

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:10 PM

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it gets very woolly once you get into that area though

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Yea I'd imagine so; just glad there wasn't anyone else who was a confident web dev in that group haha

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:10 PM

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As long as you recieved no benefit or payment for the "service" you are the IP owner under law.

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Received neither; bar the idea they might try to buy the files off me in the future won't be holding my breath

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Thanks for the advice Rock, I appreciate it

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:12 PM

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np

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:14 PM

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I've managed to get them to remove my files now, let's see if it holds out. It's times like these I understand the frustration people like Pufu or whoever go through when regular attempts are made at ripping their models

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Welcome to the club

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Out of curiosity, what is the best way to take more "official" action. I read on the UK Gov website that mediation would be the first step after trying to reach a conclusion yourself, how does that work?

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:17 PM

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1 - Contact the other party - politely worded letter, email etc (always do communicate in a verifiable way reduces the he said she said)

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2 - If 1 fails get a 3rd party involved. Lawyer or other impartial representative

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3 - If that fails issue a full DMCA/Takedown request

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Although 3 starts with a simple Cease and desist letter it can escalte

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but under EU law most service providers react quite quickly since they dont really want the hassle

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:20 PM

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That's fair enough, thank you very much for spelling it out, IP laws etc can be confusing when looking at them for the first time

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:20 PM

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If 3 fails...

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4 - sue the bastards and that is where it can get really ugly

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Yeah I guess it could - I assume at that point it's reached a stage where they will be expected to pay compensation or something? Cover costs etc

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:23 PM

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It cost me £4250 the last time i sued someone. I got £4100 back via settlement. I could have taken all the way through the courts. I would have won but may not have gotten the money back as the courts have guidelines in place for penalties. Some of these are actually quite low. And you are expected to shoulder some of the costs.

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I have legal IP insurance now for the commercial work. Costs me £230 a year and everything is covered upto £5,000,000 😃

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Jeez, well hopefully it's not too common to get to that kinda stage, I reckon most will simply cut their losses when they are faced with the possibility of legal action

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Most do

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Some do fight it when decent money is involved

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99% of the time im happy to get the infringement removed and have the satisfaction of everyone knowing they are thieves

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But im a twat like that 😃

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Hahaha fair enough mate

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It's the people who create the high quality content like yourself who suffer it the most lol

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:30 PM

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My first foray into IP law was due to an FS2004 addon set i made. Released it for Free. (This was in the early internet era with dial up so people still bought mods on CD). Within 2 months a certain "studio" (I still cant publically name for legal reasons) release an Airbus Collection made up of all my models they had just repainted selling for £19.99

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They sold over 130,000 copies worldwide

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Jesus

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:31 PM

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I sued. It went to court and because i couldn't afford to keep going they won out.

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Thats so stupid

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Thats the only time ive lost an IP case. I wasn't prepared and ever since I'm 100% on my rights

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They just kept delaying the case, pushing for me info running up the legal bills.

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Thats kinda shitty not gonna lie

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Yup

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And to add insult to injury they counter sued me and issued a gagging order

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hence i can't publicly name them

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Oh wow, what pricks

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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That expires in 2 years

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Oh.. spicy

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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they are pretty much dead now anyway

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the FS market has almost completely dried up

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Yea it has, not a massive gaming scene anymore

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 3:38 PM

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They did several years later remove the Airbus pack amid bad press but never admitted any wrong doing. But they sold "their IP" to another company who now hawk it as freeware.

tawny sentinel Aug 11, 2018, 5:18 PM

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Sigh. Another reason why the status quo of society can always bully the little guy/gal by simply filibustering the process through law fees to the point of poverty, no matter if they're right or wrong.

prisma scaffold Aug 11, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Do they have small claims court in Europe?

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 6:12 PM

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/884660/Cuisine_Royale/

chilly silo Aug 11, 2018, 6:18 PM

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They will probably get away with that thanks to "Fair use (parody)". Unless of course they've actually nicked parts of other games

rapid wagon Aug 11, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Oh boy, seems like IFA3 liberation stole another thing. Though, this time from Metro! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468550158464974868/477910559141003286/unknown.png

paper prawn Aug 11, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Given that the developers of Cuisine Royale are the devs of Enlisted - for which it was made, not sure why it would be a problem...?

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The idea of a Battle Royale mode for a game is an idea.... if you use mechanisms from another game then you are stuffed legally but just doing a battle royale style mode or games is fair as far as I understand the issue?

drifting scaffold Aug 11, 2018, 7:33 PM

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@rapid wagon The textures differ a little bit and the one from metro doesn't have the Anti-Air sight mounted

faint nacelle Aug 11, 2018, 7:39 PM

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@drifting scaffold it is quite certainly still the same model (Arma lighting is different and the port looks like its done rather poorly so shading is off) and taking models (ripping) form other games and importing them into Arma is a big NO NO

drifting scaffold Aug 11, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Oh I totally forgot about lighting, point withdrawn

rapid wagon Aug 11, 2018, 7:44 PM

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The AA sight is obviously not from the same model. The AA sight is not textured (or have equal texture) and is seen other weapons. I already contacted Gajin and Deep Silver

faint nacelle Aug 11, 2018, 7:44 PM

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the rust spots and normalamp on the ammo box are dead giveaway

rapid wagon Aug 11, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Oh you should see the plane that has the exact same texture as in war thunder.

faint nacelle Aug 11, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Well im not supprised seeing how much ripped models float around (and how little most people care)

rapid wagon Aug 11, 2018, 7:47 PM

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well I am doing my job and cleaning whatever I can because the workshop deserves to be clean.

faint nacelle Aug 11, 2018, 7:48 PM

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👌

snow bloom Aug 11, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Sorry gents it has just occurred to me I posted that cuisine royal link the completely wrong discord 😂 my bad lads sorry

paper prawn Aug 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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Glad you did though... looks like a lot of fun and is free right now 😉

potent onyx Aug 12, 2018, 6:17 AM

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is using open sourced models frowned upon/against Ip rights? (granted you give credit to author)

astral marlin Aug 12, 2018, 6:21 AM

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if there terms say you can use them in a game then no but if there is no terms or it states not to be re published yes its a IP issue.

Best practice is to get an email from the site creator but you you still run the risk of IP if the site you download from stole the models in the first place

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 6:36 AM

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@potent onyx It is quite common for people to steal other's work, then slap a GNU copyleft license Or no license, in the hopes that it will make their theft legal. IT WON'T. Don't do it, the odd are its most likely someone else's creation that's had its license stripped from it.

steel sinew Aug 12, 2018, 8:32 AM

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blessed be milsim guys, never actually saw a single monetized server.

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 8:55 AM

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That’s because we play for fun and camaraderie, not monetary gain.

carmine folio Aug 12, 2018, 9:14 AM

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..and donations are there only to cover server costs

steel sinew Aug 12, 2018, 9:15 AM

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never got a penny from anyone.

carmine folio Aug 12, 2018, 9:17 AM

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I`ve been in 2 big communities that had a few public server, plus a "milsim" one. We were only having a donations option that was used to cover server costs (2 dedicated boxes). A few donated money, a few "donated" towards the community through making missions, making scripts, etc

snow bloom Aug 12, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Don’t be fooled tho! Where Milsims lack drama with money and IP rights, they more than make up for it in politics loo

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Almost 7 years with my group and not a single issue with politics. I think the most heated discussion was about dark beer vs lager.

snow bloom Aug 12, 2018, 11:46 AM

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Try looking at the likes of British milsim, seems to be the most political sector of milsims; coups, arguments and falling outs seem to be a regular occurrence sadly

grand oyster Aug 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Chances are he's in a British group 🤣

snow bloom Aug 12, 2018, 11:49 AM

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Wait and see

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Bet he is

steep quiver Aug 12, 2018, 12:01 PM

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We have one channel on our community's discord where discussion about politics and similar stuff is allowed

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And it works, people actually contain it and still can play with each other.
And we also don't monetize so no IP issues too. It's not hard.

tight copper Aug 12, 2018, 12:12 PM

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Not so much a discussion on politics, but more on ettiquette and political correctnes... (the barrier between reinactment and fun)

echo orchid Aug 12, 2018, 12:16 PM

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wrong #channel ^^

carmine folio Aug 12, 2018, 1:17 PM

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We have been about for 5 years now and have no politics issues at all. The group is completely stable, most people in it go back 4 years or so. Run by a Brit (me) but EU wide. Don't keep the arseholes is how we do it!

merry kestrel Aug 12, 2018, 1:58 PM

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as Pufu said, wrong channel

grand oyster Aug 12, 2018, 2:32 PM

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#offtopic_arma 😉 😉 nudge nudge

sonic blade Aug 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

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A question regarding ace optionals: the Steam WS EULA explicitly forbids a third party to upload other people's stuff, but the ace team have not uploaded their full range of optionals, only their RHS compats.

I would prefer to not have to rely on a third party (who doesn't care for IP rights/WS EULA?) to upload the optionals as it means I have no control over when the files are updated as opposed to eg. an arma3sync repo.

I've tried and failed to find firsthand information from the ace team regarding if they allow third parties to upload the optional addons, does anyone know if they do?

soft egret Aug 12, 2018, 5:12 PM

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they do

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but it still violates the WS eula

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better just ask them if they can upload the other compats too

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most optionals should be uploaded in the ACE upload tho

sonic blade Aug 12, 2018, 5:14 PM

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The optional addons are contained in @ace/optionals/ but need to be handled manually by each and every user unless explicitly loaded as a separate addon afaik (?)
Which means it's a bit of a hassle to have 30+ of varying technical proficiency dig into their file systems to find these files.

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They use a GPL license but as you said WS EULA definitely overrides that so I guess I'll be contacting them to put in a request, thanks!

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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One reason that it is nice that the ACE team allows you to upload (and it in fact does not break the workshop EULA given ACE's license) is that in order to remove some functionality, you have to remove the PBOs. For example, in order to use ACE3 with Exile you have to remove the medical PBO... in order to use ACE3 without any stamina/fatigue in a survival mode game you have to remove the advanced_fatigue PBO. Without being able to upload to Steam, the only real choice would be not to use ACE...

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That said, it is always good to ask

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Note ACE3's license has Additionally to the conditions of the GPL, you are granted the right to redistribute any combination of the .pbo-files of the finished product without having to share your source code, as long as you do not modify the source code of the individual modules.So you do have permission to upload to Steam and thus do not break the EULA

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Do note this though re: ACE3: When publishing a derivative of this product you may not use a name that might create the impression that your version is an official release.

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 9:48 PM

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@paper prawn Where in there does it specifically state “we allow any user to reupload this content to the Steam Workshop”? A lack of specificity does not necessarily grant rights.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 9:49 PM

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"you are granted the right to redistribute any combination of the .pbo-files of the finished product"?

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And "When publishing a derivative of this product"

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 9:50 PM

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From my understanding, Steam Workshop is a different kettle of fish. Let me get the exact wording for you.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Also "You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
along with the Program."

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And Steam says: In order to own the mod this means you shouldn’t include material owned by others in your mods without their permission (that includes copying the look and feel of other mods or materials as well as copying the actual models, scripts and other assets).but the ACE3 team have kindly given permission. That was my understanding. Now I am gonna have to email them to confirm... 😦

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors

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It is specific to the creators and its contributors

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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I hope I am not wrong since I and a MILSIM group I am familiar with do in fact do this... with all files, licenses, credits and copyrights left intact - the only difference being the removal of certain PBOs. ACE will take a big hit if this is not in fact the case... will remove it from my servers

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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It’s always best to get that sort of thing in writing (before reuploading).

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If you are correct and they DO allow SW reuploads, they should make written reference to that.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Oh well... there goes my integration of ACE3 into Epoch. Removing now and shutting down the server

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Personally I am not taking the chance of violating IP and if it is a written permission rather than license deal then the written permission can be removed at any time. Note my servers are utterly unmonetized

sonic blade Aug 12, 2018, 9:58 PM

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As i said before, I will put in a request that the Ace team publishes their optionals via their acemod account. I'd very much prefer not to be at risk of violating the ws eula, No matter what their license states

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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That does not help those of us who have to remove PBOs. Only solution to that is to (1) not use Steam... not an option if you want players, or (2) not use the mod

sonic blade Aug 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Steam WS ≠ ACE3's license, which is why i asked in the first place in case there was a first hand source that didnt require me to create an account on their slack

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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Or 3. Local repos which have been used for years in the Arma community.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Not for Epoch or Exile style servers tbh... unless you stick to Steam you don't get players. In fact, if you don't stick to Steam mods available through A3Launcher you really don't get many players 😦

sonic blade Aug 12, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Im not going to argue about something that is out of the scope of my question, I'd suggest anyone wanting to do anything with Ace and the ws get in touch with them just as I will.

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 10:02 PM

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Perfect answer

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

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I will continue using ACE3 for my MILSIM events but I have shut down and ended my Epoch ACE3 server. Oh well, was a nice idea

fossil basalt Aug 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

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You could just ask them you know.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 10:08 PM

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No. Written permission has been given and removed in the past. Not going there again... one reason why Epoch is not taking something I recently asked a mod dev whether could be added to the mod. They gave permission but the dev team have had this issue in the past where permission was then subsequently removed. A license on the other hand is something that cannot be revoked for the duration of the license. If the ACE3 team clarify this in their license then fine.

paper prawn Aug 12, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Hmm... https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/issues/5380

paper prawn Aug 13, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Re: ACE3 and Steam we will presumably get an answer to the more general question here over the next day: https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/issues/6527

undone pier Aug 13, 2018, 5:37 AM

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@paper prawn if you get the OK from the ACE3 team you are fine

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in fact they even encourage uploading customized builds (with keeping them up-to-date)

soft egret Aug 13, 2018, 6:37 AM

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@paper prawn steam workshop license overrides mods license

safe arrow Aug 13, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Same goes for uploading the Exile Mod package btw

fervent needle Aug 13, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Exile is not officially on steam, all are reuploads

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Had some small issues with people putting hack pbos in exile steam uploads so people would get autobanned when joining servers.. that was fun

paper prawn Aug 13, 2018, 2:19 PM

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Thanks folks. Really appreciate the updates.

echo orchid Aug 14, 2018, 3:48 AM

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@blazing wyvern expect a knock regarding monetization permission, i was asked (via RHS facebook page) permission for your files

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oh lol, check AMA

merry kestrel Aug 14, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Dont know what to make of this, but someone called "withSix" just uploaded a bunch of mods to Arma 3 ModDB page

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378747201729462277/478813866168418314/Untitled.png

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those are the mods uploaded

keen trout Aug 14, 2018, 7:41 AM

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I think withSIX merged with moddb

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they offered to bail them out previously

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yep

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https://www.moddb.com/members/withsix/addons

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When the withsix.com team told us they were turning off their server, we worked with them to archive all of the mods they have stored and this is the result.

merry kestrel Aug 14, 2018, 7:46 AM

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ahhh

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but did those mod authors give permission for their stuff to be hosted on ModDB?

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:50 AM

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This 6.7GB big cup_terrains-1.0.7z with title **WILL BE DELETED** sounds interesting.
I guess not.

coral torrent Aug 14, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Size 136.88gb

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I never understood this withsix stuff tbh

merry kestrel Aug 14, 2018, 8:12 AM

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IceBreakr's FAP unit pack is on there aswell

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 8:13 AM

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But atleast this tells us that armaholic will probably be able to do the same when they go down

keen trout Aug 14, 2018, 8:13 AM

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our old legacy island pack before we split it up is there too 🙃

heavy moon Aug 14, 2018, 8:45 AM

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I appreciate moddb what is is and does, but jeez withSIX uploading all that content without permission/licence.

snow bloom Aug 14, 2018, 8:53 AM

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You know, with six years of arma I’ve NEVER looked on the moddb website, armaholic with withSix were the preferred options when A3 kicked off

merry kestrel Aug 14, 2018, 9:03 AM

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@heavy moon one of the mods uploaded is your MB Billboard mod

heavy moon Aug 14, 2018, 9:06 AM

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already sent c+d and tweeted withsix asking them wtf they are playing it.

undone pier Aug 14, 2018, 9:08 AM

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before Steam workshop it was normal for sites to rehost mods without asking every author

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it was just general social contract that mirror is good for everyone

heavy moon Aug 14, 2018, 9:08 AM

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that was then, this is now 😃

undone pier Aug 14, 2018, 9:08 AM

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i didnt refer to "now"

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 10:32 AM

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I just looked at the 4 newest servers that most recently got their monetization approval.
2 are unmodded.
2 are modded and are running each atleast 3 mods without approval.
I just reported two servers for monetization violations. Just 2 weeks after they got approved.

merry kestrel Aug 14, 2018, 10:55 AM

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oof

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 11:04 AM

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The first server isn't that interesting as their Life server is still in development and not public yet and their dev is going around and trying to get permissions.
The second one however.. Complete CityLife from @astral marlin
CUP Weapons @dull moon
Kickass, About 8GB of Car packs
MELB @echo orchid
SFP wheelchair @keen trout
SFP bo105 @sonic blade
TFAR @soft egret

My report is out. Please report them too guys.
https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 Just scroll all the way down. The 4th from the bottom Andoria Life.
They have only been monetized for a couple weeks.
And BI somehow approved this mess.
BI literally approved this 14GB modpack consisting of atleast 5GB of 26 mods that they don't have permission for and 5.5GB of Car packs.

astral marlin Aug 14, 2018, 11:27 AM

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reported

stoic beacon Aug 14, 2018, 1:03 PM

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Do you have the a3snyc link?

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 1:05 PM

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PM o7

stoic beacon Aug 14, 2018, 1:07 PM

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thanks, reported

astral marlin Aug 14, 2018, 3:41 PM

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http://theranos-rpg.ru/ one to keep an eye on as they are selling mod packs licences with stolen content in them i have no prof of them licence just what was reported to me

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1416271994&searchtext=Theranos

faint nacelle Aug 14, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Ok so idea, What if the Approved monetized list had a complete modlist that the server got monetization permission with

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Imo that would make it more clear and open

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Yeah. The server I'm currently handling actually does that. They have a big spreadsheet with all mods, their authors, how to contact them and screenshots of their permissions.
Everyone should do it like that.

faint nacelle Aug 14, 2018, 4:36 PM

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yeah and that should really be a reaquirement for getting the permission

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Not sure if it has been discussed but I got no clue how that actually works right now

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the approval process that is

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Also that's far less work that checking mods yourself. Or checking everything of the dozens of mod violations that I send over in reports every week
We don't know. Atleast we never got official word about it

faint nacelle Aug 14, 2018, 4:37 PM

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ok so probably need to set up a crappy server and apply xD

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Hey.. I can just ask that server guy that I'm chatting with right now 😄

narrow topaz Aug 14, 2018, 4:38 PM

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Make server with blatant infringements and faux website, see if you get approved

faint nacelle Aug 14, 2018, 4:41 PM

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well just clicked around the approved list rules links and few links were dead

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and couple went to the donations page

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Okey I got a screenshot of a "accepted monetization approval" from BI infront of me. It's not the full approval though. It was "put on hold" because they didn't find a donator store.
But even in that email they say "Servers with our Monetization license can not use RHS or CUP addons except CUP Terrains. Any other mods and addons for which you do not have permission given by intellectual property owner are also forbidden."
That's atleast something. Full screenshot in AMA discord

fossil basalt Aug 14, 2018, 5:08 PM

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The least you could do is feature it on the public channel....

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 5:13 PM

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What? you wanna see the screenshot of that mail?
Didn't see anything showing what server it's about so I guess it's fine
https://i.imgur.com/KsuPxmr.png

Imgur

fossil basalt Aug 14, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I meant the AMA public channel

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Well now you got it here 😄

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Note that if the car packs are Jonzi's then they can in fact be distributed... He uses a CCBY4.0 license which allows "Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format" which fulfills the requirements of Steam Workshop I assume. Not commenting on anything else, just Jonzi's car mods since they seem to be on most Life servers. I assume that I will be told that in fact the Steam Workshop EULA prevents him from giving this permission in this way...? 🙄

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Yeah sure we can all freely distribute and monetize all these packs made of stolen stuff.
which fulfills the requirements of Steam Workshop I assume no it doesn't. Didn't we talk about that just a couple days ago?

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Actually the CCBY4.0 explicitely says: Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially.

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:28 PM

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and?

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Look, I do not ever monetize my servers. Don't even accept donations. I also fully support the actions and comment made by you and other mod devs in this thread. But when you start telling mod devs that they cannot give a permission because you wouldn't, then I start to have a problem

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Workshop explicitly says you cannot reupload.

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Monetization is a completly differnt thing than distribution

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I never talked about distribution today.
You started talking distribution and now it sounds like you meant "monetization" when you said "distribution"? Confusing

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Also if you steal someone elses stuff. Then put a "Free for everyone" sticker onto it. Does that mean it's fine to give it away to people?
I don't know if Jonzie stole any stuff. But there is a pattern with all these too-high-poly car packs with models that look exactly like the ones from other games

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:31 PM

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So CUP and RHS are in violation of Workshop guidelines, yes? Since BI have not explicitely given permission. Don't give me that, my problems started when you started interfering with the ACE team's professed acceptance of people to distribute that mod on Steam...

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:31 PM

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What?

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No?

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The Steam workshop rules are quite clear.

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If you didn't contribute anything to the "thing" you cannot reupload it.

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:32 PM

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So no one can upload ACE3 even if the ACE3 team say you can?

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That's what you said here and on their github

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:33 PM

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According to Steam subscriber agreement. Yes.

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Just read it.

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I have... if you have permission then you can

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:33 PM

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No you can't. Read it.

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https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#6 6D
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
Just read it. It's quite clear on what you can do.

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you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you Did you create ACE?. No. So that doesn't apply to you.
or There is a second possibility which could permit you to upload the "thing"
to which others contributed besides you If YOU and other people contributed to it. (Doesn't apply to you because you didn't contribute)
[was originally created] by you and the other contributors Again. If YOU and other people contributed to it (Still doesn't apply to you because you didn't contribute) that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors``
That the other contributors granted you permission that you can upload it in their name.

So IF you contributed to the project AND if you have permission by all other contributors (Of course not needed if there are 0 other contributors). ONLY then you can upload it.

tawny sentinel Aug 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

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One thing to note though, you'd still need someone to enforce that specific statue.

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:40 PM

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There is nothing about Since BI have not explicitely given permission.
Or So CUP and RHS are in violation of Workshop guidelines
Also I do not ever monetize my servers is completely irrelevant here.
And the Mods license is also irrelevant.
But when you start telling mod devs that they cannot give a permission because you wouldn't Where did I ever say that?
Note that if the car packs are Jonzi's then they can in fact be distributed I never talked about distribution in the first place.

Don't give me that, my problems started when you started interfering with the ACE team's professed acceptance of people to distribute that mod on Steam ACE Team knows the Steam workshop rules quite well. And I never told them that they can't give you permission. They can do whatever they want. I just said that Steam technically doesn't allow it. Which is true.
You can just ignore the Steam rules like thousands of other people are already doing though. No one's gonna stop you from doing that. Except the mod author if a author is not fine with you reuploading something

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:40 PM

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In order to own the mod this means you shouldn’t include material owned by others in your mods without their permission (that includes copying the look and feel of other mods or materials as well as copying the actual models, scripts and other assets).So with permission you are fine?

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See I do not want to break the rules...

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That's why this is a big deal for me

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:41 PM

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You can include content by other people inside your mod if you have permission.
Using parts of other peoples stuff != reuploading other peoples stuff in their complete unmodified form.

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The ACE Team is fine with you uploading stuff. So feel free to do it.
It just technically violates the Steam Subscriber agreement and neither you nor me can do anything about it.
And thousands of people are already reuploading stuff and Steam didn't care till today. And we don't know if they might care in the future

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

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But you said that even with permission I could not upload parts of ACE3 with credits and license in my server mod despite ACE3 team saying that was okay mate... that's why I have a problem.

tawny sentinel Aug 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Technically. Yes.

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

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You don't have a problem with me though. Why are you attacking me then?
All I'm doing is reading the Steam rules.

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I am not steam.

faint nacelle Aug 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

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ACE could if they wanted enforce you to remove it

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but yhey dont

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I'm just a human with eyes.

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There are tons of things that are technically against the law but that people just don't care about

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For example throwing a cigarette stump onto the ground. That's littering. Do people care? no. Does the Police care? no. Is it still against the law? yes.

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

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I'm not attacking you, apologies if the way I have said things has felt like that. Just frustrated on the ACE thing... Have great respect for what you and others have been doing and putting up with the last couple of months tbh

tawny sentinel Aug 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

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Hypothetically, would I feel bad for uploading something me and the creators have both mutually agreed upon? No. I would not. Because me and the author(s) have already agreed upon it.

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

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So what I'd say is. Just reupload it.
If you really want to follow all the rules then you simply cannot do it. Don't get aggressive towards me for something Steam did.

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Commy2 had it right: "Just here to say Steam is shit. Carry on."

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Jup. We all know that ^^

tawny sentinel Aug 14, 2018, 7:49 PM

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(I miss Commy ;_;)

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Sorry again Dedmen. Just trying to provide my opinion on stuff... not saying I am right, just really confused when it comes to mod owners giving permission that it seems that they cannot give. I for one do not want to fall foul of that down the line

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I would note the EULA that I've read that in full says: MODDING AND OUR TOOLS We’re excited to see what you can create using our Tools, but it’s important that you respect our rights, and those of others, in doing so. If you create a mod from scratch, you will own it. In order to own the mod this means you shouldn’t include material owned by others in your mods without their permission (that includes copying the look and feel of other mods or materials as well as copying the actual models, scripts and other assets). If you include any parts of the Game, the Tools or our content in your mod, then we will own those parts of your mod. Don’t charge for anything you create relating to the Game or include any adverts or sponsored content in your mods. Make sure it’s clear they are unofficial, and comply with our modding guidelines from time to time, which you can find here: modding guidelines.

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https://store.steampowered.com/eula/387990_eula_0

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Which is why I am confused... it suggests that with permission you are fine...

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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That is the eula for the game "Scrap mechanic" ?

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How is that related?

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Modders cannot technically give permission for others to reupload their stuff. Which means the modders can DMCA them all they want.
Them giving you permission is just a verbal agreement that they won't DMCA you for reuploading it. But technically they could do it all they want.

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Ah... because I had not noticed... first result on a google search this weekend... 🤦

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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And ACE is not gonna DMCA you for reuploading. Whether you have permission or not. They simply don't care.
RHS and CUP on the other hand...

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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So... CUP and RHS are in fact in the same situation as those who upload ACE3... cause BI cannot (and do not explicitely) give permission to upload to the workshop

narrow topaz Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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BI is irrelevant here

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Yeah.. How is BI relevant here?

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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BI are the original content owners

narrow topaz Aug 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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No they aren't

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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No....

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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For CUP they are

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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RHS made all their stuff on their own

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Yes, my bad... just CUP

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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CUP has a special agreement with BI.

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But yeah. Technically that doesn't count on Steam workshop. So BI could take them down if they wanted

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Doesn't matter. They cannot give that permission..

soft egret Aug 14, 2018, 7:55 PM

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So for CUP yes. Same thing. Just a "verbal agreement"

paper prawn Aug 14, 2018, 7:55 PM

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So based on what you've said... I have obviously misunderstood everything you've said 😉