#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 40

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Well he just stated on his stream he's not "Abandoning" it, he just wishes it didn't exist.

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 10:13 PM

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@olive sparrow 👏

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 10:24 PM

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https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/scan/XMQTV7DSLUEXKNHMZSQV

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149 reuploads with same pbo name

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182 with deep scan

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partyblob

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Just loving that it is called Stolen SFP Wheelchair... 😭

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 10:25 PM

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yeah, that's what I named my dummy workshop item to find them 🙃

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they copied our original sfp_wheelchair.pbo and changed author in the config

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 10:26 PM

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LOL... Oh I see now

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 10:26 PM

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but left all filenames and classnames

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lol

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 10:30 PM

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@keen trout is your item already indexed?

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its going atm

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https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/trski-storage-public/ShareX/2018/07/mstsc_2018-07-12_00-30-16.png

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 10:31 PM

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thinkinghuh

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yeah, scan worked

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 10:32 PM

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have fun dmcaing lul

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 10:33 PM

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🍰

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 10:36 PM

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steals cake, runs away

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Happy dmca

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:16 PM

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thanks for the clapping lol - was afun day. main thing is we co-operate

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we have shared goals, and values, and common enemies

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and standing together we can make them respec tthe rules and our licenses

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Good to see. Many within the community do... Most do not see this. You need a platform to bring the message to a wider audience

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:18 PM

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wo this guy... lmao what a tit

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MyransGhost - Today at 00:15
Buddy, what the hell is up with you. How about instead of targeting communities and stuff you just enjoy the game. People on life servers have fun. Acusing them of abusing mods is just weak. Indeed I understand you concerns that servers make money with monetazation with help of these mods. But isnt the most important thing that we keep arma alive and we enjoy playing it. Life mods became part of arma so fucking accept it. Rather then finding every reason to make a large community loose their server. You should be ashamed of yourself.```

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no need to rtespond to such a lame mentality

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just gonna block him hehe

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lewis

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who are yo udex? not seen you in here defending mod rights before. what did you make bud?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:20 PM

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Obviously not Travis since he came on. Shut up after I pointed to Dwardens post though

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Dave will fix them if they troll us again

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:21 PM

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Good to hear

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:21 PM

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it's about muppet o' clock

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ok no worries, we get a lot of "new concerned people" arriving every time certain server hosts or their friends tweet about how unfair it is that we are enforcing our licenses/ rights

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:24 PM

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😂

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:24 PM

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Credited? No... under the monetization license, this is required: ```On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize?

You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```No question about it. You have a monetized server you have to get the approval of all mod devs

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:25 PM

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sigh, another troll posting hate wants an apology for not being respected...

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:25 PM

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the armaverse existed way before monetization and is well capable of continuing without it 😉

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@earnest palm

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:25 PM

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Personally I think BI should ban monetized servers. Never ever ran a monetized server, never will

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:26 PM

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remember lads don;t feed (or feast on) the trolls - it's bad for your health. just side step them and carry on with your day

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:26 PM

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If they want people to mod DZSA they really need to get their act together tbh

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:27 PM

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all i see is blocked message - bleating in the wild there myranblah fella

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so jog on out of our channel, you've nothing to contribute here.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:28 PM

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And that message Rob... you mod devs are the problem because they expect you to roll over and allow them to use your mods without permission... when if they asked, they might well be granted permission. But that is obviously too much trouble

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:29 PM

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I swear if someone else posts the snippet from bohemians monetization page where it says you have to ask permission imma go live on twitch and eat my own poop

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Nope, that is not the issue

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Adam, I would like to see that anyways

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:29 PM

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Sorry Adam... I had to do it a third time for the new PsiSyn fanboi

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:30 PM

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Lemme go eat something to stimulate my stomach brb

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:30 PM

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You would prefer no one to use your mods
as trump like to say: WROOOOOONG
we would prefer noone monetizing our stuff without asking F I R S T

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:30 PM

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this is how to handle those trolls https://i.imgur.com/1MK3A5Q.jpg

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I still don't like the block of text though Rob, it's rather annoying

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:30 PM

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better discord blocks it fully

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Yeah I'd rather see a ban. breeki

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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30 years of martial arts taught me some people are worth teaching, others and worth listening to, and some people are like the road you walk on....

mint abyss Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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having an opinion isnt trolling?

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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wow its a psisyn party!

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Are the PsiSyn folks only allowed on a computer at a certain time by their parents...? Seems like we went through this last night

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

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So it seems that PsiSyn has invaded

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:32 PM

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the gang is here...

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anyway im off t obed. @pliant oar havefun bud!

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 11:32 PM

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🛏

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:32 PM

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sunday mate - no cup final 😦

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:33 PM

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keep it civil guys, the banhammer falls fast in here

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:33 PM

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jinx won''t have it any other way

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:33 PM

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And now I will repost Dwarden's message from earlier just finished reading of ^all that fuzz ... :facepalm: i don't get why you blame creative content makers to defend theirs own licenses protecting theirs work / rights ... they not the ones who break the rules (of good behaviour, IP rights, licenses ... )

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:33 PM

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reed == blocked

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anyone else want to raise their hand from psisyns farm?

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george thanks bud. was nice knowing you too

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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well it's best not to feed the flame and just block.

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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it's not about having an opinion, it's about how to display it

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@silent patrol

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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Guys when the opinion is dumb, it's not an opinion anymore, it's just a dumb set of words put together lul

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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Do you guys honestly think your cause of persuading Bohemia to let you off the hook is helped by this... or hindered...

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM

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don't feed them chris - they're ravenous

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forget BI, we're dealing with the isssue together as a team

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:35 PM

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See the Dwarden message above... he is the Voice of God

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:35 PM

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dave westwood == blocked

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:35 PM

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I'm a conservative and I support the mod developers

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:35 PM

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so we can stay on topic whenever lol

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i spoke to psi this morning at some length

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@smoky thistle Post from Dwarden: just finished reading of ^all that fuzz ... :facepalm: i don't get why you blame creative content makers to defend theirs own licenses protecting theirs work / rights ... they not the ones who break the rules (of good behaviour, IP rights, licenses ... )Last time I will post

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When he wakes up he will be pissed off again though...

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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and he apologised for the mistakes abusing al lthe mod authors, and hopes it can get sorted out. he blamed repentz for doing it, and was really unhappy about it

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Guys it's pretty simple

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You don't break the rules

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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So why are you hassling the people who keep ARMA alive?

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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you go talk to the life devs about it. Theyve done the wrong here

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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so i let him know the point of view of 13 authors whosecontent he has ripped

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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they fucked you up by doing so

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:37 PM

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fuck over Life Servers
ofc, if they violate licenses, they feel the mighty power of the modding community

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:38 PM

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and he said sorry, and he won't do it again

mint abyss Jul 11, 2018, 11:38 PM

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If they did steal from 13 authors then they should be forced to get proper permission or forced to remove it

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:38 PM

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you guys can now start a new legit life community

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:38 PM

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i showed hi ma video he made back i n2014, where he talked extensively about how TFAR was being ripped by arma 3 life, and what a bad thing it was, and he said "i forgot about that"

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

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You guys do know that something like this happened before... and it almost destroyed the ARMA community. Yes? So many good mods left. So many modders refused to put their mods on Steam for years, yes?

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

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theres been enough time to fix it

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

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@silent patrol
we are mighty, but not allmighty and see everyting at the same time like doc strange 😄

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

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i'm not responding - theyre al lblocked lol. im just letting you guys know the latest news in case youe interested, the ycan also read on if they wish

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

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the problem has been always there

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you all who haveplayed there have silently accepted it

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then blame your devs

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Run a server without the mods or get their permission to do so... Neither of which seems to be suggested by the PsiSyn folks here. Your view seems to be that you should be able to run what you want

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

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perhaps they should

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Don't break the rules, and you will live peacefully, you break the rules, you pay the consequences. The community will pay because they are part of what fueled this whole deal. They can make a new sever without breaking the rules, simple as. No one is gonna go after them if they fall in line. Now stop voicing opinions that go no where. The matter is simple. **You break the rules, you pay. You follow the rules, you will be left alone. **

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

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bounty bars = blocked

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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If the mods are removed then everything is golden

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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If you get permission from a mod to utilize on a monetized server it's best to explain that you got permission to do so instead of blindly operating without care

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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anyone here not to support IP protecxtion is gonna get blocked by me lol

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suggest you all do the same

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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ok, way too many ppl writing to fast... i'll check back later if this cooled down

heavy moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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this channel if for ip rights violation and discussing such items, coming here to vent/rant/bitch about the issue will not do you any favours, this channel like all the others in this discord has rules, please obey them.

flint niche Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Make a new community if you want, an ask permission or commission your own mods, its simple, but your current life server is gone

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Rob... Kid... LMFAO!

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Rob is like 100 years old

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:41 PM

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@crisp wind that has bee tried already

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it did not stick

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Hey EggBeast, apparently you have got younger...

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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No the thing is, he's too old to deal with ur bullshit lul

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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it's funny - ive had a few beers t oconsole myself fro mthe damn football

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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I want that koolaid

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Oh, me to Rob

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Me too

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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being a brit

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

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And now I am getting a little pissed at these kids

heavy moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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please take your personal insults to PM, there is no place for such stuff in this discord.

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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so im in a rare moment of staying to explain the day, maybe not such a good idea, but it was a cool example of teamwork - common values and the brotherhood of mod creators

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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Oh... gonna be lots of trouble tomorrow when Dwarden wakes up

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@carmine folio
we're not there yet

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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we're degrading discussion to banter now. If we were all to be constructive and civil we are to make great strides in the positive direction.

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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poweraid == blocked

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@carmine folio its gone this far because previous time they were asked they just did not do anything

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Someone disperse the spongers please, mods, admins, halp!

flint niche Jul 11, 2018, 11:44 PM

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Stop, all of you, this is is silly. Its only going to lead to banhammer, bring it back on topic

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:44 PM

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PsiSyn are doing all the trolling... seems like a directed effort from them, just like last night

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:44 PM

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@silent patrol
i downloaded the lakeside modpack last night, all mods where still there. also the shop was still online last i checked

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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Good

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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@paper prawn, @dull moon stop please, like clearly this is not going anywhere. Let them be and let's stop this nonesense

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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but you see that nothing happened before today

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:45 PM

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didn't see the store closed, thx for the headsup

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@earnest palm
without monetization? sure, count me in

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Good now stop spamming this channel with unrelated messages. Use #offtopic_arma to discuss whatever else you want. Thank you.

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:48 PM

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@silent patrol
one at a time

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:48 PM

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@silent patrol you should probably share the details with BI

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:49 PM

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"Took it down" ??

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 11:50 PM

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does not mean any other unauthorized mod using server is any less in the wrong

mint abyss Jul 11, 2018, 11:50 PM

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morally the other one is a lot worse than psisyn

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:50 PM

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Then make it known, and people will stop playing there. No need to make a stink about it in the context of a PsiSyn problem. Each server with stolen mods will have their chance in the light at some point in time

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:51 PM

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i never knew about that one tbh

fair rune Jul 11, 2018, 11:51 PM

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Oh well that's their choice.

heavy moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:51 PM

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You all realise that monetisation licencing was brought in to help server operators out, by enabling them to cover their costs.
By frequently abusing the rules of that system which was designed to help those operators cover costs, you are all slowly pushing the limits of that system.
I for one would not blame Bohemia at all for closing the entire monetisation system down due to your fruitless abuses of the system, disrespecting content creators intellectual property rights and their own content licencing, this will harm the ENTIRE modding community.
If you are not here to discuss an actual IP violation, a workshop item that does so, then please remove your discussion to #offtopic_arma

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:52 PM

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and this channel is #1 infomation channel to share such things. nobody came by to tell us

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@silent patrol

flint niche Jul 11, 2018, 11:53 PM

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#offtopic_arma

heavy moon Jul 11, 2018, 11:53 PM

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that comment is hardly constructive, keep your personal insults to yourself.

heavy moon Jul 12, 2018, 12:16 AM

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content creators put out dmca notices daily, if you scroll up a good bit you will see them discussing so

dull moon Jul 12, 2018, 12:36 AM

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@pale palm
all servers that violate our licenses and/or ip rights
one at a time

olive sparrow Jul 12, 2018, 1:31 AM

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glad i couldn't see all that spam

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was on a call, back now

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anyway well done chaps. a bit more work to do tomorrow and this problem is solved for good hopefully

paper prawn Jul 12, 2018, 1:37 AM

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👍

dull moon Jul 12, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Unsung

paper prawn Jul 12, 2018, 1:47 AM

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That would be the one yes. Why?

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So?

dull moon Jul 12, 2018, 1:50 AM

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no, but Rob has extended insight if it comes to server providers and general DMCA stuff

paper prawn Jul 12, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Neither is Epoch in the pack and the Epoch devs support the position of the mod devs whose mods were installed without permission too

dull moon Jul 12, 2018, 1:51 AM

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not really a lawyer, but knows stuff...

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anyway, i'm off to bed. cya

paper prawn Jul 12, 2018, 1:52 AM

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Me too

olive sparrow Jul 12, 2018, 3:18 AM

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Dave westwood == blocked

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Hopefully dwarden will take out the trash in the morning

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This is a channel designed for reporting and remedying IP violations not for mobbing and attacking channel regulars who help npeople with their IP violations

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Dex == blocked

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That’s 7 of them in the space of an hour.

bleak palm Jul 12, 2018, 3:23 AM

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how interesting

olive sparrow Jul 12, 2018, 3:23 AM

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All new guys come to share their opinions about IP rights

bleak palm Jul 12, 2018, 3:24 AM

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So Rob, what mod exactly have u made?

olive sparrow Jul 12, 2018, 3:25 AM

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Josef whatisface == blocked

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Any more?

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This is like a minigame or a black belt grading - how many opponents can you take down at once lol

bleak palm Jul 12, 2018, 3:27 AM

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Could you stop talking about irrelevant stuff please thank you. Your last sentence has nothing to do with the topic. Much appreciated

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Rob is one of those kids who go to the park with a helmet

undone pier Jul 12, 2018, 3:57 AM

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anyone got a TLDR? PsiSyn is trying to weasel out of it once more and sent his fans over here. is that it?

bronze oasis Jul 12, 2018, 4:17 AM

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TLDR: Rob spoke with Psisyn who has supposidly promised to abandon the project. Server was given 24hours to shit down all unlawful monetization before DMCAs were filed. Then several pages of people complaining that the mod authors are killing the psisyn life community and how unfair it is.

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99% of it isnt worth reading through.

undone pier Jul 12, 2018, 4:19 AM

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so yeah the question is how long does it take for them to give it another go

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 4:57 AM

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Mass ban, If I missed anyone, let me know.

If there was a bit of collateral damage, let me know that as well and it will be rectified.

coral torrent Jul 12, 2018, 7:24 AM

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0.o ⚒

compact timber Jul 12, 2018, 8:17 AM

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did i really miss all the funny stuff ? 😄

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 9:06 AM

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Damn @fossil basalt shoulda banned w/o deleting now they all just look crazy 😂

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Deleting was the purpose of the ban

olive sparrow Jul 12, 2018, 9:15 AM

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thanks FM - nice clean lawn to hang our flag on this morning, and wave to our neighbours

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Ours? I think FM got his citizenship revoked when he moved to a country where they drink tea instead of coffee.

river spear Jul 12, 2018, 9:33 AM

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You better buy a tea towel

carmine folio Jul 12, 2018, 9:51 AM

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tea tools in the UK

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Nah, I get to keep both

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 10:39 AM

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Are you sure?

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

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Yes

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I’m good unless I renounce one or become an Officer in yet another Military career

bleak palm Jul 12, 2018, 10:46 AM

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nice

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 10:53 AM

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Dedmen is typing

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👀

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 10:55 AM

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@carmine folio I'm just helping the authors of these mods. Their license clearly says no monetizing. And you never asked them for permission. I'm just doing it for them because their time is worth more than mine.
I don't waste my time witch hunting server, I spend it creating stuff Well then I'd suggest starting to create stuff instead of just taking other peoples stuff.
@olive sparrow well progress has been made today on the psisyn stuff. i spoke to him earlier and he has agreed to abandon the project. So.. That means no progress? Because he already abandoned it like.. last week.

Interesting how there are so many missing messages in this chat... How many people got banned over night? 9 people.. wow..
Interesting how at the same time where PsiSyn's server have the biggest playercounts. This channel also has the biggest trollcount.

PsiSyn told me it's unfair to only target him. So I'll do what he wants me to do and look at the other Life servers today.. But first! Fixing TFAR bugs.

safe trellis Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

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@soft egret yeah please make sure you look into alrp because no kidding.... That shit is actually ran by a pedophile

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 11:30 AM

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Don't care who is running what. That doesn't break BI's rules

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 11:30 AM

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what the heck happened with VSM, and why no one bothered to ban his ass/

safe trellis Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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It does... He sells staff ranks and faction ranks for money...

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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i am really curious to why, despite all the shit he has pulled no one took any actions, on the contrary

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anyone else would have had a ban by now\

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

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selling ranks is not against the rules either. Will see later

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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@soft egret - did you get a reply from BI on that mail?

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

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ye sec

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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cheers, seen the PM

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:08 PM

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@safe trellis apparently you missed the bit in the rules about duplicate accounts and ban evasion in general?

delicate ember Jul 12, 2018, 12:10 PM

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What is wrong with VSM @echo orchid ? Is 3 lockdown of thread on the wae? Im just asking, sorry for offtopic dont ban me guys im not from any life server

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 12:11 PM

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it looks like he was using ripped models from Battlefield and Rainbow Six I think. All the posts about it on the forum thread were deleted.

delicate ember Jul 12, 2018, 12:13 PM

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He bought them probably, well vsm did nothing wrong as i remeber while thread was locked these sellers got reported and banned and stuff was removed

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:14 PM

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I’m not going to say it again. This is already being investigated by BI.

delicate ember Jul 12, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Okay then forget about that

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Moderators would'nt have unlocked the threat if anything was wrong

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Also FM your forum post that said that was also deleted

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:14 PM

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There is a whole lot of information that the general public is not privy to.

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I’m not the top of the food chain, so that comes with the territory.

ebon sand Jul 12, 2018, 12:27 PM

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The Battlefield and Rainbow Six models in VSM were from p3dm, a site dedicated exclusively to ripping models... it's a bit ridiculous to feign ignorance and play the victim when the site explicitly states what game the models are stolen from... https://p3dm.ru/files/characters/soldier/8791-blackbeard-.html

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 12:28 PM

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I want to hear his side of the story first. And like -FM- said, I'm sure there is information we are unaware of.

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 12:28 PM

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He didn't play victim. He said where his models came from

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 12:29 PM

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^

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AFAIK

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 12:29 PM

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He also removed permission of EVERYONE to use VSM. Everyone has to remove VSM from their packs now

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https://s.sqf.ovh/firefox_2018-07-11_11-00-05.png I think the moderators deleted his post too though.

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 12:38 PM

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Not that I’m aware of

soft egret Jul 12, 2018, 12:39 PM

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Yep. His post is gone.. Like.. Deleting discussion about stealing sounds reasonable. But deleting the author trying to make use of his rights is a very bad idea..

ebon sand Jul 12, 2018, 12:40 PM

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Yes, he definitely did play the victim. that whole post is literally nothing but stubborn indignation... and no, he didn't ever admit to getting models from p3dm, a site dedicated to model theft.

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 12:41 PM

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that being said, he doesn't even have permission or IP rights himself for most of the files in "his pack"

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so the question is - who managed to take that sort of decission, despite the obvious BIF rules

ebon sand Jul 12, 2018, 12:44 PM

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I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he claimed he got scammed into buying the models, but after seeing that he knowingly got them from p3dm, it's time to call a spade a spade...

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 12:45 PM

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have warden send you a PM between this VSM bloke and another one, where he says he knows well enough where that BF4 ripped vest is coming from, and he will try and "slip one through"

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there goes the "being scammed into buying the models" shit @ebon sand

errant drum Jul 12, 2018, 12:50 PM

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Hey everything is in Russian on that website. Maybe he couldn't read the tos KAPPA

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 12:52 PM

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@echo orchid Wait, are you saying there is a PM where he admits he knows that the BF4 vest and uniform is stolen?

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 12:52 PM

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yeah

tawny sentinel Jul 12, 2018, 12:52 PM

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I'm guessing that PM doesn't exist in the public domain?

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I don't think you're lying at all, but when those sort of accusations are given I'd like to see the evidence for myself.

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 12:58 PM

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yeah it isn't in public domain, but afaik the "moderation team" has a copy of that

carmine folio Jul 12, 2018, 1:04 PM

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this may be very off-topic, but what gear mod would you lads recommend to replace VSM with?

faint nacelle Jul 12, 2018, 1:06 PM

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possibly #arma3_scenario related that one @carmine folio

carmine folio Jul 12, 2018, 1:07 PM

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thanks!

fossil basalt Jul 12, 2018, 1:52 PM

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This is a no popcorn zone, move along.

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No. Again, read the channel description.

undone pier Jul 12, 2018, 5:22 PM

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VSM case is hillarious

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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So that server I mentioned earlier, that was selling shit for $. They had their BE turned off. For like 3 hours.

Tired of this slap on the wrist bullshit.

mint edge Jul 12, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Crazy Mike - Last Tuesday at 5:20 PM
i have 220k total subs across all my public mods ready when you are!!(edited)

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 5:33 PM

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@mint edge It's the O3G servers. I've had their monetization privilages removed 4 times so far, problem is they've gotten smart and started doing everything via PM

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Their servers are hosted out of Joe's Datacenter Missouri, but they own the hardware.

undone pier Jul 12, 2018, 5:46 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/217488-project-zenithvsm/?page=33&tab=comments#comment-3302032

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read before it gets deleted

blazing wyvern Jul 12, 2018, 5:51 PM

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its sad but no need to drag this on and on

undone pier Jul 12, 2018, 5:53 PM

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imo for all his lying he should get banned, but whatever (VSM guy)

blazing wyvern Jul 12, 2018, 5:55 PM

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well thats up to forum moderations , we shouldnt force it and have patience

wild stone Jul 12, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Exactly, last time i checked @undone pier you weren't a moderator. Also perhaps spare a thought that all the moderators are volunteer community members. We don't get paid. Except Beck hes BIS Staff.

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 8:02 PM

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I mean I'm pretty sure that's why he said "in my opinion".

wild stone Jul 12, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Well i was also making a point, which most of the community seem to forget that moderators are volunteers. Especially how certain members of the community treat us.

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 8:03 PM

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Well dammit they pay you enough, fix these issues! /s

wild stone Jul 12, 2018, 8:05 PM

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@scenic swallow do i need to you remind of the discord #rules aswell

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Wrong channel? Or did you miss the sarcasm tag. Because I added that for a reason.

wild stone Jul 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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i don't see a sarcasm tag, and if you meant it as sarcasm well its not the place here. As i said read the #rules.

scenic swallow Jul 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Mind if I pm you?

wild stone Jul 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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go ahead

echo orchid Jul 12, 2018, 11:58 PM

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my 2 cents, the entire VSM thing is a freaking fiasco, the outright lies he posts and his bunch of minions making a shield around a lier and thief is outstanding. But whatever, the means doesn't matter as long as the end result is what gets a hard on for the "operators" wannabes. a very well managed fiasco, letting all sorts of thievery go by and creating precedence. very well done.

carmine folio Jul 12, 2018, 11:59 PM

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@echo orchid I've been reading up a lot on the VSM affair and rather confused on what's exactly going on. If you have the time, could you explain me in DM what's going on?

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:00 AM

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no reason to explain it in DM, because it is on the subject of this particular #ip_rights_violations

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channel

carmine folio Jul 13, 2018, 12:00 AM

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true, but it's very spread out

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:07 AM

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he used ripped models from both BF4 and R6 siege, slightly editing some stuff to cover the origin up.
he lies about purchasing these models from cg trader and turbosquid - no such models are available from either of these websites, not now, not ever, i have checked myself using cached version of the website just as well.
there are screenshot PMs available showing he is well aware of the provenience of these meshes - from a russian website that is well known for making available 3d models ripped from different games (including A3 btw), but where the source of said 3d meshes is openly and visible written (Tom Clancy Rainbow Six Siege / Dice - Battlefield 4)
despite all the evidence available, he gets a pass from BI lead moderation guy, because he allegedly got these models donated and/or purchased from legal websites, and he was simply unware the poor thing, so it isn't really his fault (again, despite the PMs between himself and several people that proove the oposite), he was tricked himself as well, so he is the victim, not the doer...

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he still has no proper credits and sources for any of the stuff he has in that modpack of his, because none of it is made by himself, or from scratch, all of it is "aquired" from different, unknown sources

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@carmine folio ^ that is the sumary

carmine folio Jul 13, 2018, 12:11 AM

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alright thanks for clearing it up for me!

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:13 AM

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this has to be the pinacle of all ip rights enforcement in A3....

carmine folio Jul 13, 2018, 12:13 AM

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I'll miss the gear, but I understand the IP infringement

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:38 AM

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you won't miss anything, because there was no action against him, he'll just go back to aquiring shit from various places

ebon sand Jul 13, 2018, 12:44 AM

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@echo orchid he wasn't punished, but evidently the guy who first brought attention to the ripped models was... that's the real fucked up part

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:46 AM

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@ebon sand that's Valve's stance on DMCA rights there - too many DMCAs for infringing IP ownership, you have a ban for bothering us - @dull moon knows that feeling #350

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 12:55 AM

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hears his phone goes “bssss bssss“, opens one eye, thinks “If this isn't a fucking hot chick writing, i'm going to kill somebody...!“, sees tag by @echo orchid , close enough

old mauve Jul 13, 2018, 12:56 AM

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Just read the last 2-3 days-worth of messages in this chat.. good lord.

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Also hi, everyone. First time writing in here.

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 12:56 AM

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@dull moon 😉 sorry about it man, put it on silent next time

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ping ping 😃

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@old mauve waste of time

old mauve Jul 13, 2018, 12:57 AM

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nods

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 1:00 AM

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All good... wasn't really sleeping yet, just had my eyes closed and the netflix vietnam war docu playing in the background to Fall asleep.
So what did i miss? Somebody finaly willing to pay me my #350?

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 1:00 AM

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and yeah, i know i am hot and smoking sexy, thank you

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 1:00 AM

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Btw, hi sykoCrazy

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@echo orchid 😘

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 1:01 AM

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ahahhah, i do the same with that vietnam war docu for the past week

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i only got to ep3, in 20minutes intervals (i put it on sleep after 20 minutes)

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 1:02 AM

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Actually, it's too good to fall asleep to. I rewatch all episodes the day after 😂

echo orchid Jul 13, 2018, 1:02 AM

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yeah that is why i am only to EP3

old mauve Jul 13, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Hi, Chris! And yeah, that doc is great.

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 1:03 AM

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On EP4 now 😀
Anyway, back to bed, cya

old mauve Jul 13, 2018, 1:04 AM

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Later

tawny sentinel Jul 13, 2018, 1:10 AM

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@old mauve Welcome, glad to see you here.

old mauve Jul 13, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Hey Volvo! I'm happy to be here? 😄

fossil basalt Jul 13, 2018, 4:51 AM

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@ebon sand
“<but evidently the guy who first brought attention to the ripped models was” Yes, but not for bringing the issue up.

soft egret Jul 13, 2018, 6:38 AM

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and he was simply unware the poor thing Deja'vu I'd say...

olive sparrow Jul 13, 2018, 7:54 AM

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If youre all enjoying the vietnam war doc pop along for a members and guests op with the unsung devs some time - its pretty hardcore, we even have a vietnam vet in the team

soft egret Jul 13, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@olive sparrow wrong channel 😉

tight copper Jul 13, 2018, 8:48 AM

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Very happy to have gathered some people that will be not allowed onto a few other servers 😃

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Ohboy did I mis the fun

remote river Jul 13, 2018, 9:52 AM

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https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-humvee-military-militar-1259823

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Soo yeah might want to do something about that

blazing wyvern Jul 13, 2018, 9:53 AM

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so much for A3 assets not being on turbosquid 😛

soft egret Jul 13, 2018, 9:53 AM

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BI has a Email address for reports about such things.. Dunno which though.. @pliant oar

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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I think the email in the description can be used also for this

fossil basalt Jul 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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Infringements@bistudio.com

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 10:08 AM

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ninjaed FM... YESSS 😀

fossil basalt Jul 13, 2018, 10:09 AM

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Only because I have a “real” job 😉

dull moon Jul 13, 2018, 10:10 AM

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So do i, i'm on Tour with a Band 'till sunday 😉

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OT, sorry...

fossil basalt Jul 13, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Spice girls touring again? OT, sorry..

heady stump Jul 13, 2018, 10:19 AM

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🤣

pliant oar Jul 13, 2018, 11:32 AM

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@soft egret email is in description of this channel 😉

vast notch Jul 13, 2018, 2:47 PM

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@pliant oar it doesn't show on mobile Discord

stoic beacon Jul 13, 2018, 2:52 PM

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@vast notch it does, swipe from the right side to the left

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Top right corner

vast notch Jul 13, 2018, 2:53 PM

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@stoic beacon Yep, maybe @soft egret was drunk 😄

soft egret Jul 13, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Dedmen never drunk. Dedmen brain just ded

river spear Jul 13, 2018, 3:55 PM

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dis dedmen

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ded

delicate ember Jul 13, 2018, 5:06 PM

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anyone noticed that after VSM thread was unlocked shitload of reuploads appeared?

pliant oar Jul 13, 2018, 5:06 PM

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he can't excuse it on mobile cause i know he uses desktop too 🤣

tight copper Jul 13, 2018, 5:55 PM

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How do you know

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#BIisSPYINGonus

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#BIGate

grand oyster Jul 13, 2018, 8:33 PM

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🤔

pliant oar Jul 14, 2018, 2:39 AM

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you forgot all the secret services works for me, they just don't know it yet 😉

paper prawn Jul 14, 2018, 3:31 AM

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They do now... 😉

pliant oar Jul 14, 2018, 4:13 AM

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they only think they do know 😉

astral marlin Jul 14, 2018, 8:51 AM

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lol pass the pipe DW

soft egret Jul 15, 2018, 5:00 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1388434843 HLC, RH, MELB

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I think that's Defcon Life... But... https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 Their website.. https://www.defcon-life.fr/

Scratch that Defcon Nations. not Life. Still monetized server.

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Well. Next server reported for using atleast 6 mods that explicitly don't allow monetization and probably a dozen more mods that they just don't have permission for.

proper charm Jul 15, 2018, 5:59 PM

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is that even their website? looks awful af and 1990s

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@soft egret the correct link for Defcon Gaming aka Defcon Nations is https://defconnations.com/ and https://steamcommunity.com/groups/defconnationscommunity# .

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:39 AM

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And this time they even uploaded them to the steam workshop... Which means DMCA incoming :U

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:25 AM

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PsiSyn guys told me to go after A3PL for all their badness they are doing..
All I could find was TFAR without permission. But that's about it. Though most of their stuff is packed as ebo and they might aswell have repacked stuff into "their" stuff.

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:31 AM

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need an option for the crawler to run local scans on pbo's downloaded that are not hosted on steam, and ability to scan ebos 😃

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 7:32 AM

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As EBO? Isn't that an proprietary file format?

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:32 AM

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it could be...

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I'm pretty confident it is, since it was used by BI to encrypt the contents of LoW, Apex, etc

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 7:33 AM

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It's the format generally used for the Arma DLCs

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Although there is ways to decrypt it, I wouldn't suggest it 👀

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:33 AM

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you would have to look up the rights to see if its a prohibited format or something for mods to be in

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:35 AM

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@west terrace We might be able to include ebos into the workshopcralwer scans. I will discuss that with Optix and see how many files would be affected by that

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Overall I would say, that BI does not like people who use ebo for their modded content, as it was not meant for the community to use it, but right now they might be mission enough information on who uses it / or they do not have the time to go after them

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:36 AM

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im not super familar with webapps as im a backend guy, but is it possible to have an option to scan local files? or is because all your scanner is 100% operating serverside that its not possible without uploading...

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:37 AM

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We are only scanning what is on the steam workshop

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And our structure does not fit custom uploads well at the moment

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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yeah thats what i figured

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its hard to have a system that works for all

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Might be an option, we will discuss that

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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prob easier to build a seperate scanner designed for tha tpurpose

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hard to say without knowing exactly howit all works 😃

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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But bare in mind, that you will need to upload the files, so if you have 3GB of mods you need to upload 3GB ... i dont know if your internet can handle that

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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here in aus not so much 😉

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Mine can not XD

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 7:39 AM

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not if you're aussie 😛

undone pier Jul 16, 2018, 7:39 AM

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local scanning and uploading the hashes would be the way to go

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:39 AM

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but im used to offloading everything to client as much as possible

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yeh

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thats not a bad idea

undone pier Jul 16, 2018, 7:39 AM

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only with ebo its a problem as you would expode the format to some extent at least

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:39 AM

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wouldn't it be enough to just hash the files locally to be able to search them? If you are doing a normal scan, not a deep scan

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 7:40 AM

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Wasn't EBO used for VBS? I found a post by the man above me himself (Kju) saying so back in 2014 on the forums.

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:40 AM

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@undone pier Yes, but that means giving away some details on how we open the ebo then, aaand that wont be a good thing, cause it allows to scan org bi ebos as well, and they wont like that

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No its used all the time for arma 3

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For all dlcs

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:40 AM

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thats the issue with anything... giving away the secrets

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:41 AM

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We have no issues with giving away how the hashing works etc, since no one can defeat it anyway but if we offer ebo that would be a problem

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:41 AM

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you can still do a hash based search with anything. As you don't need to unpack the pbo for that do you?

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is it a hash over the content or just over the raw pbo file

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 7:41 AM

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As much as i would like to see ebos disappear, we do not want to harm arma 3 files

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no we are hashing the files, not the whole pbo

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So we are unpacking the contents virtually

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:42 AM

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yeh u would have too

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u cant just hash the pbo as its a single file.. easy to change

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Well, if it's already being used to hide stuff by A3PL the pandoras box is already open.

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:42 AM

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the issue is unpacking them

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cos it allows unpacking dlcs

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:43 AM

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I'd say you can't offer locally checking EBO's

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:43 AM

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and anyone can then reverse it...

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well not anyone... but

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:43 AM

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people will just have to upload their stuff as a private workshop item then

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And add the ability to scan your own private stuff to the crawler.

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 7:43 AM

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yeh i was thnking that was the solution

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just upload it privately to steam

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and check it that way

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tho more of a hassle

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 9:13 AM

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@soft egret you could hash the pbo locally, even hash files inside the pbo locally

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browser support for file operations is quite good

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 9:16 AM

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I wonder what BIs take on it would be

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 9:17 AM

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https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/FileReader

river spear Jul 16, 2018, 9:48 AM

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@keen trout normal pbos isnt the issue but ebos

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 9:52 AM

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There is no need to allow local scanning of ebo's. Local scanning is for authors searching for their files. They already have the source pbo which they can search with.

river spear Jul 16, 2018, 9:52 AM

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oh right..

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brainfart

undone pier Jul 16, 2018, 10:21 AM

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@soft egret why should it be limited to your own files? if you find ebo of third party and not on workshop, atm you would need to upload them yourself as workshop mod (not allowed strictly speaking)

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Why would you want to search for reuploads of someone elses stuff?

undone pier Jul 16, 2018, 10:32 AM

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someone tries to hide his stolen stuff in ebo?

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 10:35 AM

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in the case of alot of large life mods that are not using steam to avoid the crawler you could just download, and scan the files. Sure its more work for you, but if you know they are using it, but dont have all that much proof for a copystrike against their server provider, this would solve that issue

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Just joined a Rule violating life servers Discord because I wanted to notify them about the violations and give them time to fix it.
At first I was told to join their TS and wait for an Admin. I don't have TS.
Then I got told to write an Email. When I asked what Email they told me I should see for myself on their website...
Hey I wanted to be nice.. Now I don't feel like it anymore.
Report is out now.

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 10:44 AM

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🔥 cleanses

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 10:50 AM

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4th report today.. Though the first one was just a monetized servers website no longer being there so that doesn't really count

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 10:50 AM

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I'd really like being able to upload a local file, either pbo or a contained file, and then search for matching hashes

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now I have to create a dummy item on steam workshop

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especially when looking for older versions of files

river spear Jul 16, 2018, 10:57 AM

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ill make it so yo ucan do that when i remake the website for the third time fastparrot

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im sure following the prototyping model right there

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 10:59 AM

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great work so far! 👍

undone pier Jul 16, 2018, 11:19 AM

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@river spear you should ask a dollar for every IP violation from Valve/BI 😉

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 12:09 PM

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pff.... #350 is the minimum to go

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😄

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@pliant oar

is the use of the EBO file format permitted for 3rd party use (mods?)
is redistribution of ARMA / BI binary files (arma3_x64.exe, ect.) via a 3rd party launcher allowed?

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 12:18 PM

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no and no

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 12:18 PM

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thx for clarification

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 12:19 PM

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the 2nd part could be tolerated as long as it's not breaking some EULA/TOS/IP/security concerns but it's simpler to just say no

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 12:19 PM

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👍

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smells fishy if smb includes arma exe files into a mod repo.......

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 12:21 PM

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thinkinghuh

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Reports for both community that do that stuff are out :3

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 12:22 PM

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generally any binary or library is risk, hence why i always wanted that security popup (do you want allow this uknown callextension) before new (hash change) callextension is loaded

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sadly, i was over-ruled by 'EASY to use' designers who do not care about security

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usage of EBO is shady for several reasons

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1st) is attempt to hide the content via our private DLC encryption

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2nd) it's using shady tools via RE to actually pack that EBO format (irony same tools can be used to unpack it, so it's not unpackable either)

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3rd) it can break anytime at any update of engine

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4th) usually EBO is used on Workshop to prevent community crawler to analyze it (ofcourse catch 22, because point 2, but ofcourse i do not want to know)

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5th) if you upload ebo to Workshop and i find it (private don't work), expect ban of the item w/o mercy

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:27 PM

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PsiSyn folk talked about A3LP and ALRP. A3LP I found. What is ALRP? https://www.roleplay.co.uk/ That one?

@pliant oar I would personally very much like a engine update that changes the EBO encryption. People are only using it because that one guy made that tool.
Making that tool useless will hopefully make ebo missusage disappear

(Moved my message down to keep yours in one piece)

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 12:27 PM

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but that tool is already obsolete and the old tool isn't working anymore so someone already updated it since

balmy lodge Jul 16, 2018, 12:27 PM

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This is ALRP Dedmen: https://www.armaliferp.co.uk

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Ah that one that I can't find the mods they are using.

proud flicker Jul 16, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Looks like you need to sign up first.

balmy lodge Jul 16, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Might be on their Discord?

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 12:32 PM

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i got all infos @soft egret

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see AMA

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Thanks. o7

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10 violations.. Maaan...

flint niche Jul 16, 2018, 12:46 PM

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What about https://arma3projectlife.com ?

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I am pretty sure their stuff is EBO's

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:47 PM

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Yeah that is the one we were talking about

flint niche Jul 16, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Oops my bad

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:48 PM

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ALRP doesn't even have monetization permission but they are monetizing 😮 wtf?

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Also should I be surprised to see PsiSyn in their forum marked as "Staff"?

proud flicker Jul 16, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Nothingevenmattersanymore.tiff

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Do reserved slots count as monetization?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:55 PM

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yes

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Have you reported them to BI yet?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:55 PM

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when you get ANYTHING back for money. It's monetization.

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Not yet. Writing it up right now and waiting for statements from some mod authors so that I can put everything into one report

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 12:56 PM

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Do you have a file list?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 12:56 PM

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PM. If you find any of your mods in there tell me and I'll add them to the report

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Aight

west terrace Jul 16, 2018, 1:00 PM

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the only reason to be including the arma 3 exe in there is to be doing RE changes to do things like unlock all DLC's etc

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OR they are using the performance enhancing exe's of dwarden and making all players use them

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 1:09 PM

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@soft egret wheelchair and/or sfp in there?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 1:09 PM

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sfp_bo105. already on the list

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And JM_wheelchair.pbo dunno what that is. I'll take a look

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Comes from cobra_alrp
Model is just JM_Wheelchair\JM_Wheelchair

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 1:26 PM

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AFAIK SFP is the only one that has created a wheelchair model and configured it, but I could be wrong.

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 1:34 PM

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that could be just a simple rename

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 2:21 PM

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@tawny sentinel i know of at least two other

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 2:43 PM

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ALRP is a monetized server running atleast 14 mods that don't allow monetization and all that without monetization approval from BI.
And interestingly... PsiSyn joined ALRP one day after he cut ties with PsiSyn Life. He made the ALRP server announcement post and is now Staff there....
Anyone still believing him that all the mistakes were not his fault? 🤔

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 2:48 PM

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I stand by my previously stated opinion on someone allowing monetized servers to utilize their IP as promotion

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Not to mention 3/4 of the staff at alrp are script kiddies or hack creators for Arma 3

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A good majority of them are on our global ban list at infistar

coral torrent Jul 16, 2018, 3:25 PM

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@dull moon @soft egret Just look at it: ftp://142.44.142.19/@A3PL/addons/

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Project life is basicly all ebo and a reupload of TFR XD

bronze oasis Jul 16, 2018, 3:40 PM

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I'm not sure wether to laugh or cry.

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:47 PM

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I know @coral torrent already reported a couple hours ago

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The other server that I talked about before who wanted me to find their email on their website and have me write a mail contacted me.. After I sent my report out.
They got "some" mods from "someone" else who assured them that he has permission to use them. Sounds like Cobra ALRP scheme tbh...

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I'm fed up with this "we didn't know" "it's someone elses fault" "he said it's fine" crap.

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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just send a DMCA then?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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It's in BI's hands now.

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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it's not our responsibility to inform them

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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I already was before they contacted me

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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🤷

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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exactly!

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:51 PM

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BI / DMCA

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I wonder if there are any SFP stuff inside those ebos...

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:52 PM

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They want me to tell them which mods are the problem. It's not my responsibility to watch over their mods and tell them if they don't have permission after the fact. It's their responsibility to take care of that beforehand

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:53 PM

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BI?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Nope. The Life servers that I reported today.

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:53 PM

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so BI contacted them and mentioned you as the reporter?

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or did you reach out to them?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:54 PM

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I tried to reach out to them first before I report them. Couldn't reach a Admin so I reported them to BI. That was a couple hours ago nothing else happened yet

keen trout Jul 16, 2018, 3:55 PM

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tbh, should we even bother contacting the server owners ourselves?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@fossil basalt ^

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I do it for the servers that I can easily reach. Because I'm so nice. I have two other servers on my list of violators but I contacted them and gave them a week to check everything before I report them.

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But I don't have time to waste half an hour on trying to find out how to contact someone.

delicate ember Jul 16, 2018, 4:00 PM

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@frank gate i think you could avoid it by reading mods readme / liceses or google some stuff before making server

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 4:01 PM

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@frank gate What seems to be the issue?

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 4:08 PM

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pablo, possible troll

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@fossil basalt

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jep

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 4:10 PM

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@soft egret btw alrp keeps changing ip's Everytime they get blacklisted.

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 4:11 PM

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well, they can change theit IPs as much as they want. if ine files a DMCA via server provider.......

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@soft egret Here's one for ya. In their startup guide they have a screenshot of their modpack showing TFAR - https://arma3projectlife.com/forums/index.php?threads/start-up-guide.32019/

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 4:11 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 4:12 PM

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@frank gate What specifically is your issue with Dedmen and what does it have to do with #ip_rights_violations ?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 4:12 PM

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I don't need any more info @narrow topaz 😄

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Wasn't sure if you'd seen that particular server yet. lol

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 4:12 PM

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@narrow topaz
we have all we need, thanks tho

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 4:13 PM

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As mentioned earlier, I'd hit the server providers.

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 4:54 PM

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well they are breaking the rules

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so Id say very proud

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but its not the topic of this channel

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feel free to contact BI for help

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 4:56 PM

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if a server breaks rules regardless of their size, they 100% deserve to be taken down.

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it's not mod authors destroying community, it's you downy blokes 😂

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 4:57 PM

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What will destroy the ARMA community is if access to mods is removed because the mod devs get tired of being slagged off for defending their intellectual property and their rights to say what you can and cannot do with their mod... i.e. monetization!

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 4:57 PM

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☝

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DIS GUT

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 4:58 PM

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I mean, your favourite server would be a pile of steaming crap without the mod author's efforts to create the mod

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in other words

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@frank gate your server is absolutely nothing without mod authors and you still have the audacity to decide what the mod authors should do and not do? You're quite the hypocrite yourself there 🤦

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 5:00 PM

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So you think its okay that people can make money off other people's work ?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I also tried to say that to PsiSyn folk.. What Arma would be without the Mods. And they replied "Hey. Look at all these popular unmodded Life servers"
Why don't they run unmodded themself then?

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 5:01 PM

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unmodded life is a pile of hot garbage lol

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:02 PM

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@frank gate the point went right over your head then. Your favourite server as mentioned in the previous message

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🤦

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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I'm always suprised looking at what some Life servers are able to do completly without mods. Many of them are doing a unbelievably good job.
On the other side you look at the steaming pile of modded servers....

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:03 PM

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🤦

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indeed, the great masters do things on their own

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it's the modded that are mostly some content thieves

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Yeah there is a lot of bad heavily modded servers too

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Remember the reasoning as to why Tonic left? Same thing that is happening now

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:06 PM

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@frank gate
you seem to not want to understand... if you know nothing about IP, copyrights, DMCA, or any other of that matter, you'd do good to stay out of this

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 5:07 PM

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I wish people who created the mods could charge for their work then maybe none of this stuff would be an issue :\

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:08 PM

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or build some sort of whitelisting system. I.e. break the mod yourself if it's not whitelisted hardware or something 😛

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:08 PM

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well, i'd sell CUP licenses for montization for like 10k/month

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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and a light version for #350

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😉

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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whats that in #350?

hallow frigate Jul 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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@coral tendon they cant. And modders have been shut down for trying, while server owners monetize the **** out of it

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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ninjaed 😄

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@faint nacelle

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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daymn

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:09 PM

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Chris you serious?

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:10 PM

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why not?

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:10 PM

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You know what they fish in a month? Before you know they will actually accept that offer

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:11 PM

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is it possible to let a mod break itself once it detects that the game/instance runs as server? 🤔

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:11 PM

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@tight copper
Too much, or too less?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Many things are possible. @carmine folio yeah that too

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 5:11 PM

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interesting...

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Nah, add a 0, gotta make sure they get wiped out of existance

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😂

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:13 PM

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@tight copper
I am a monster, but not of that kind 😉

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Someone should do a standard bit of code to verify server IP versus a mod blacklist DB and prevent the mod from working properly if the IP is on it...

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:13 PM

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cant remember who it was that posted something about what one of those servers was pulling in a month, but I get why they run those servers after seeing the sums of money they earn with it

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Somewhat between 30k and 120k... many rumors tho

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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@paper prawn already on the radar. It's just not that easy

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Understand that 😉 Hopefully the issues can be worked out

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 5:16 PM

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i think the word will spread once a couple of "big" servers are wiped from this earth and sued reparation

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 5:18 PM

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@dull moon put cup on private for 2 weeks

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:19 PM

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Y?

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 5:19 PM

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more then a few illegally monetizing servers use it

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I would rather have issues with my server for 2 weeks and possibly have something good come out of it then just keep the current status quo lol

tight copper Jul 16, 2018, 5:27 PM

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Doesnt it defeat the purpose to have everyone be punished for those servers?

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 5:28 PM

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nope

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all players and server owners who though violation o licenses weren't an issue for them will be made aware that it IS an issue

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same principle as blocking a road in protest xDoccasionally good things do come out of it

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 5:31 PM

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The idea for that "strike" was to get the attention of Bohemia. It seems like they have taken notice and the mod devs current strategy seems to be the right one to pursue at the moment. If that fails then, as I've already stated, as a unmonetized server owner running CUP I would support such as "strike"

delicate ember Jul 16, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Well its easy to make copy of it, you should remove all files from it nust keep 1 file named license.txt and upload it as update

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@mint edge @dull moon

vast notch Jul 16, 2018, 6:17 PM

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@mint edge removing mods from the workshop to hit servers won't do jack to those big servers doing clandestine things, all it will do is force them to combine the mods in another modpack to continue what they're doing

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:19 PM

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It will bring attention to the problem though

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:22 PM

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It will, but there has to be a way to solve the issue that is better than punishing all of the thousands of legitimate players and their servers.

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Correct. BI finally get's their act together and actually punishes rule violations

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Lol yup

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That’ll do it!

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Let's hope they wake up by getting a dozen reports per week

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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if all of the legit arma players get inconvenienced that would possibly make bi work faster in resolving the shady business that goes on

vast notch Jul 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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Unless they all ask for refunds 😉

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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so mod removals don't happen frequently

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:23 PM

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BI don’t really pay attention to most issues, so I’m not sure it’ll help.

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:24 PM

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well I can garuntee a nice chunk of the community simply will stop playing until they can easily access their favorite mods again

fervent needle Jul 16, 2018, 6:24 PM

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I say do it no balls

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Oh definitely

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:25 PM

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for custom server when Macas a3l went down server population was cut 60% across the board

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imagine that for an entire month

vast notch Jul 16, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Players will migrate to other games and Arma 3 will finally die, sad but true

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Yup

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 6:26 PM

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I don’t think so.

vast notch Jul 16, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Well it won't do it any favours

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 6:27 PM

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To this day, I still play OFP

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Yeah.. Me and any of my community members certainly will not leave just because a mod forces attention to a serious problem

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:30 PM

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The thing to consider though is that Arma is so much more than a Milsim these days.

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Being unable to play a Operation happens after almost every Arma update.

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Definitely don’t want to punish legitimate players.

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Or server owners.

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Personally, I'm not too concerned about if Arma 3 "dies" or not. Making the RHS/CUP workshop entries(as a show of solidarity with each other as creators) private for a week is sure to put some fire behind the proverbial buttocks of BI legal management to quit slacking with this stuff.

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I agree, doubly so if it’s a coordinated strike.

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:34 PM

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Note, I'm very adamant about that the it should be stated clearly from the beginning that it's only for a week and then that the workshop entries would return to normal.

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Just an idea.

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😇

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:38 PM

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We'll have to do tons of DMCA's before and after the action.. But otherwise I don't see anything against it

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Also don't set them to private. I think that might loose subscribers. Remove all pbo's and add a new PBO that shows a message when Arma starts.

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Make a config error that will pop up a message and let Arma crash at start

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Or just a message in main menu

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Need to have a clear explanation so that the less intelligent people also understand

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Message in the main menu would probably be the best as to not get massive amounts of technical support requests to BI

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Dont think this will target the right people. All those problematic servers we are discussing here are either reuploading their collections on steam workshop or use their own server/google drives etc. They dont use the official workshopfiles most of the time, so they wont care

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Can't actually believe what I'm reading....
So punish tens of thousands of servers and the remaining, is it 50k players, just to spank did u say 6 servers...?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:42 PM

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No. To spank BI and all the other servers violating

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Bear in mind Baron, the alternative that was talked about recently was that the server devs would quit ARMA3 and remove their mods forever...

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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@safe arrow We want BI to take action. We are not targeting the offenders directly.

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Collective action kinda relies on the fact that it mildly inconveniences people to the point where they will take action. For a week.

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Please take extreme caution guys before you decide on this cartel style action. That's all I'm saying... For the good and love of everything arma

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:43 PM

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You guys are re-writing the same things we talked about over and over last week and reiterating the dumb bits of it

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You do a 3-way mod strike

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No one will care

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Before you could have had the support of everyone, you're just going to make people mad

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Take CUP down? People will find another mod, no one will care, life goes on

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 6:44 PM

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We need trump in here.... Make arma great again..!

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:45 PM

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I'm all ears Adam for a better suggestion then collective action.

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Clearly when people are talking in this channel, everyone is listening to their own

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@tawny sentinel as I said, you can scroll up and see all of last week's conversation

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If after a week the same things are popping out again not considering 1 second what was discussed

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Then honestly, I could care less about mod strikes and all the IP rights shenanigans behind it

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:46 PM

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He is the one that keeps telling us how easy and time saving it is to force law on each server hoster, facebook, twitter etc.

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Eggbeast, me and a few others made some suggestions

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You guys don't wanna hear them, you are on your own then

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:46 PM

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I wasn't aware this was discussed previously, I'll go take a look then. What day?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:46 PM

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People will find another mod A CUP alternative? really? 😄 Tell me more

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Tell me more how taking down CUP will make a difference

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You guys start sounding like a broken record really

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:47 PM

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It will show BI that we don't play along

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Literally no one is listening in here

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:47 PM

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again. We are not targeting the players

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:47 PM

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You are targeting everyone but BI

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With your useless one sided actions

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Do you think BI will give a **** if CUP is removed?

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Like really man..

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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not cup

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all mod makers mods who want to also do it xd

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Dear Arma, can't we all just monetise? I mean everyone... Mod makers, server owners, scripters, everyone. Won't that solve this problem once and for all?

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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imagine if cba went private

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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Yeah good luck involving other mod makers

tawny sentinel Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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@hushed spoke No

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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But that’s the thing. You’re in the official Arma 3 Discord and BI still aren’t listening, cutting away some mods, when they really really don’t care about them anyway, it won’t make a difference.

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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When all u do is yapping in here between the 3 of you

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:48 PM

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@hushed spoke uh wtf

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:49 PM

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When other people in here try to reach out and help

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Literally 1 week later you go back to the same issue

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You want to do things your way

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Thinking it can make a difference

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:49 PM

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I think bi would care if there was a suddenly drop in players

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which there would be if a majority of modded servers get crippled lol

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:49 PM

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There will be no drop in players Mike

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If you remove a mod, a community will find another one to use

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Simple as

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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what replaces cup that's readily available?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Tell me how the community will find a CUP/RHS alternative in less than a week?

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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if it's not easy to use, it won't be used

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xD

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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@soft egret you clearly never run a community if you even ask that

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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I do...

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Sure tell me about it

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Still got to think that the current DCMA/server takedown route is the best one to pursue though...

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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How many players does your community have Dedmen, how many users in your discord? How many unique players join your servers every day?

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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no it isnt

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Not at the point where other action is necessary

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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We don't have a Discord. It's a closed milsim group

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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So that's not a community, that's a click

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 6:51 PM

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alright Id say this is getting again way off topic for this channel

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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mod authors are sending dmcas more then developing their own mods >.<

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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You are getting ridiculous now..

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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No u

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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The size of ones community has nothing to do with this topic

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Bohemia need to actually step up and do something, not mods and mod makers.

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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no personal attacks

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Cosmo it has when he says that people can't find alternatives to RHS or CUP

faint nacelle Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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alright then @fossil basalt sorry to bother your evening

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Clearly the dude does not have an idea of what he's talking about

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lol

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Yeah @mint edge ^ I spent about 6 hours today reporting Communities with a dozen violations each

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@errant drum you clearly have no idea who I am.

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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See, this is why communism fell. It just doesn't work. Time to join the 1st World....

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Neither do you

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lol

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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And you dont care to explain what makes you so entitled. You just make statements without explanaitions.

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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people who don't make the mods don't know how much effort goes into defending the IP xd

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Ahem....

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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more effort then development in some cases

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@safe arrow have you been reading what we have said the last week in this channel or not?

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When mod takedowns were discussed, I stepped in with Eggbeast and G-Dog and a few others

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We made suggestions

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If after a week the topic is there, same as before

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Without any improvement in organizing or listening to anything

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Sure. And all that was stated where so called facts and how easy everything is, without explaining anything or how it could be made

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Then why even talk about it

strong jasper Jul 16, 2018, 6:54 PM

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It baffles me that people don’t think leaning in BI is the solution here?

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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You just drift to keep saying "mine is bigger than yours, so i know what to do and you do not". That doesnt bring the topic on or help the discussion to find sollutions

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I guess yall need to realize that if you take RHS and CUP down no one will care, then you can come back in here and discuss it again

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Can you explain why? Just once?

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Read the past week, I don't need to repeat myself over and over

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If you are asking this

safe arrow Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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... helpful...

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Then u have not read a single thing I've said

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And ur asking the wrong questions.

fervent needle Jul 16, 2018, 6:56 PM

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people will just reupload over and over, you can't beat kids who want to play their servers

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 6:56 PM

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That's the beauty of discord, use search function and find your answers

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Enough. I'm about to start ejecting people.

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I just looked through all your messages last week.
I see you saying the same things you are saying right now.
You said we should collectively try to reach Bohemia. AMA tried that last year. didn't work.
And we are trying that again right now. We'll see if it works.

Instead of spending all your energy with BI, take some action yourself, see if that works, if it doesn't, at least you can prove us wrong at that point and you have nothing to lose? That is what modders have been doing in the past. Over and over again and we are getting fed up with it.
It's not like we didn't try doing anything on our own yet. We aren't thinking about this out of the blue.

We didn't ignore what you told us last week. We already told you last week that it doesn't work. And you just ignored us. So please if you have nothing constructive to add...
It's not like we plan on taking Mods down tomorrow. This is a plan as a last resort after we tried everything else we can do. We can discuss it further if we are at that point. And then you will have your proof that other ways don't work. Till then it's useless to discuss that.
Especially not if you have to go to personal attacks to defend your point. We still have #rules

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Back to topic.
Does anyone have contact to berghoff (https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/88465-african-foliage/)
or mattaust (https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/185551-arma-3-custom-buildings/) ?
They have both not been active on BIF for a long time. And there are many monetized servers using their mods.. Which.. If they haven't been active for 2 years probably don't have permission.

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 7:13 PM

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MattAust explicitely does not allow monetization. I got explicit permission to use his models only on the understanding that my server was not monetized. He is really nice like that 😃

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:13 PM

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When was that? He wasn't active for 2 years now

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 7:14 PM

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It is advised to collectively try to reach Bohemia peacefully before taking action. I agree with the letter route, perhaps posted and retweeted among many users, communities can also solicit their players to join the cause. Taking action, without everyone's agreement and cohesion, can only cause a sporadic misunderstood statement. 1 letter from 1 person is not enough. 1 letter from many people, many retweetes etc can be something more effective imo. Being drastic like that, no matter how big the lack of communication with Bohemia is, is not the ideal route.```

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See it like this: I have a big community, 6000 people on my discord and more than 2-300 new unique players joining my servers. If I have to close my servers for a day, a weekend or even a week, I could yes, join the cause, but what would that do? It could help it, but players who are ignorant about the matter will just lose interest and don't care. The good communities can easily rack up numbers to spread a louder message "threatening" to close/lose the servers because modders are tired. Point being is, don't involve only modders. Use communities, because at the end of the day modders, communities and players are what make Arma.
@Chris_Lutz_(audiocustoms) and I'm saying this because for example, the letter you mentioned. Is probably known to a small circle, and that's the effect it had in general, none, at least from a community or player perspective.```

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 7:15 PM

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You can see my request in his mod thread on the BI forum. Was a long time ago... August 21, 2016

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Already adressed these messages in my post...
As I said.. Useless to discuss it further. And as I also said.. Back to topic.. Please.

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Aight then, not gonna add anything anymore on the argument, clearly reaching out for a hand from someone else is not in your interest. Peace

fossil basalt Jul 16, 2018, 7:17 PM

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🤦‍♂️

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 7:18 PM

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MattAust's kind reply was That's not a problem Grahame, It follows my license which allows you to redistribute and modify the content in any shape or form. Just attach the license in a sensible way to the mod (like how I have it), and you are free to do what you like.The license explicitely prohibits monetization

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 7:20 PM

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be careful with that "free to do with what you like" part of that statement, most idiots don't actually read licenses and will get the wrong idea and be a nuisance later on

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 7:21 PM

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That was his reply to me. I had already said: I have just taken an Epoch Australia server into beta and in order to get your fine food and beer consumable I needed to produce a custom version of your MM_Shopping items (basically I changed the base class for the items to CA_Magazine rather than Item_Watch. The server is, of course, completely unmonetised (I also use the CUP mods so that goes without saying). I was wondering whether I could get your permission to release the mini-mod (just the shopping replacement) on Steam. All license files are intact and I have not altered the credits at all. It would make players lives easier to have it in the workshop rather than as a manual download but, if not I'll live with it ^_^

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Thanks.

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 7:52 PM

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BTW, in the BI forum thread for MattAust's mod he does state: KLAERWERK Community Untouchable Life Community Arma 3 Project Lifewere approved to use his mod with monetization in the first post

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Yep found that too.
Untouchable Life Community doesn't seem to exist anymore.
Arma 3 Project Life doesn't use it anymore.
KLAERWERK Community is running other mods that they don't have permission for..

mint edge Jul 16, 2018, 8:15 PM

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😒

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 8:17 PM

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8th report today. Time to sleep.

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Cyberlegion European Community by Macro Network (ISP) - Looks to be using RHS based on their mods page https://arma3walkingdead.it/wds/

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Not 100% who (if anyone) in here I could ping to bring it to their attention

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 8:27 PM

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Their Arma Launcher screenshot with their mods shows RHS @echo orchid

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https://s.sqf.ovh/arma3launcher_2018-07-16_22-30-49.png Confirmed.

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Is obfuscating allowed? I've just read through the whole day of messages, someone talked about ebo, which isn't allowed as it's a private tool from BI. Obfuscation is not private and even included in Mikeros tools so I'd guess its fine. Or do you still think someone would hide something?

soft egret Jul 16, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Obfuscation still shows people want to hide stuff.

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That's nothing anyone can do anything against though.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:37 PM

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@soft egret where is that from

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ahh nevermind, had to scroll up

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@narrow topaz are they monetized server or what/

stoic beacon Jul 16, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Let's say Ive made a simple UI that comes up in the beginning of a session, that states a few things what you are allowed to do and what not. Basically a license and maybe a contact information for others to contact me if someone is doing something shady with my mod. Then obfuscate it so the server owner cannot simply delete the script. Would you still judge me?

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 8:40 PM

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People will judge regardless of the purpose for obfuscation

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Yeah @echo orchid, monetized under the name I posted above

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:40 PM

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already reported

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😉

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cheers for the headsup

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did i miss some 🍿 earlier today

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damn

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:41 PM

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No problem. I'll remember it's you for anything else RHS that I find.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:41 PM

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yeah it's always me, unfortunately

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 8:41 PM

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PuFu is RHS
Chris for CUP
👀 for others

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Slow day at work; so I have basically nothing better to do but skim the monetization list for blatant offenders and (more often) links that don't exist anymore

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:42 PM

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well, ping me if you find others as well 😃

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this is pure gold even with my limited italian knowledge + google translator
https://arma3walkingdead.it/termini-del-servizio/

Arma 3 Walking Dead

admin

Termini del Servizio

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 8:49 PM

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what am i looking at? @echo orchid

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🤔

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:52 PM

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that they have a fucking terms of use, but they give no fucks about other people TOS and EULA

dull moon Jul 16, 2018, 8:52 PM

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ah, so a case of "this is a classic"

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 8:55 PM

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"All intellectual property rights in the information and content available on our sites are the property of Macro Network or its partners. Some parts of the contents of the site are our property. Unless otherwise specified, the contents may be copied for personal use only. It is forbidden to modify, publish or transfer the content of the site to others and to use it for commercial purposes." 😃

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:56 PM

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@echo orchid Have another. - ```
Monetized Name: BJS
Servers Page from Website: https://www.stowmarines.com/servers/
BattleMetrics Link showing Mods: https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/1844782

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:57 PM

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@narrow topaz are they on monetization list

narrow topaz Jul 16, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Yep; under the name "BJS"

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 8:59 PM

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cheers, reported

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 9:04 PM

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They actually do not seem to be using the monetization authority though. All I can find is a patreon page that allows you to You will: Be invited a donator only meeting held once a month to discuss what's changing and any ideas that are wanting to be shared. Get the $5 donator tag on TS (Ask BJS to add it if not automatically done).

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Seem more like a MILSIM group than anything else

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 9:05 PM

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it doesn't matter, if they are on the monetization list, they need to get permission, and RHS has a strict policy regarding monetization = no such thing

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not my rules btw

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 9:08 PM

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With that particular group they should be recommended to remove themselves from the list since the patreon donations do not need BI's permission since they are simply donations with a TS tag and inside info on the direction of the group... Maybe they had ideas for a monetized server before and kept the tag... or maybe they though they were covering their arses... But you are right PuFu

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And actually I guess they do need to be monetized since the FAQ does say "No, donations are still allowed. But remember – a donation is a gift without any counter value. If your donators receive perks or rewards for donating then we no longer consider it a donation and you have to apply for the approval."

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 9:15 PM

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any sort of return for a donation = sale = needs aproval for monetization

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 9:19 PM

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I occasionally have to tell people that no, I cannot give you anything for donating. Oh well, do not run a server to make money - and if I could not afford the costs myself I would not run one... A lot of them do not understand that. TBH, even if BI allowed it I would not give someone anything for a donation - hate pay to play games...

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 9:36 PM

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crunched it all, again

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so just for @soft egret and co. BI already does what it can with the limited 'services' of 3rd party it can do

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the problem here i think is some expect that BI will be battling the IP rights of content of others for others (while originally the main aim of the 'monetizing (and the prequel A&V license) license' was to protect BI content

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 9:39 PM

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To be fair the monetization faq says: "On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize?
You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses."

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I.e. Bohemia's EULA would be infringed if they did so...

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 9:41 PM

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i think the main issue is that BI don't own law agency in 50 countries , yet

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g-dog the point is approve the monetizing hence we control who and if can do it, hence protect ourself (our IP)

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the mod IP is just the bonus control where it all gets complicated ...

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as many here know the limitations what e.g. can be done on workshop (no ban threshold for repeated offenders, no reuploads prevention etc.) or no control over server master, make our attempt to keep the order in chaos way harder

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Understood and fair points. I understand the frustration of the mod devs and a lot of that comes from the inability to make Steam do the right thing. Guess people just think that as a game company you'd have the clout with them.... But if they don't care then I see it can be tough

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Its probably frustrating as hell for you too I'd guess

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When VBS achieves sentience things will be different though 😀

errant drum Jul 16, 2018, 10:10 PM

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Thanks @pliant oar, hopefully this clarification will cease all sorts of misunderstandings and useless conversations about what BI should do and what Modders should do to protect their own IP rights.

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Maybe you should pin it so it's always there

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 10:21 PM

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Why not just marry up the terms of the licences between the mods and the game?
If Bohemia approve monetisation with their tight checks on no game changing options available, then that passes for mods as well? I mean, the mods are modifications of the game itself, it does seem a bit tricky to have overreaching terms from the mods across the game they sit on.

And before anyone flames me to death, I'm just throwing some suggestions out there...

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Plus, I don't mean being able to monetise the mod's assets.

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:29 PM

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It's a tough one BaroN... based no doubt on all that has happened before, some mod devs specifically say that their mods cannot be run on BI monetized servers - CUP and RHS have this in their licenses. for example the CUP license: * Monetize the content or use all or parts of it on a server that is approved for monetization (you can't get approved for monetization by BI when you use this Addon/Mod).That is their choice and if they say that then the server is not allowed to be approved for monetization by BI (under the terms of BI's monetization license itself) and if they do subsequently run the mods then monetization should be removed

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That is, obviously, a separate discussion than the Steam Workshop problem

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RHS's license includes: You may not use the material for commercial purposes. This includes running this package on server instances that employ any monetization schemes, including, but not limited to, donate-reward systems. Bohemia Interactive's approval of your monitization scheme does not grant you rights to wave this clause of the EULA.

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So they explicitely say that they will not give permission to run on BI approved monetized servers. Look above for BI's FAQ entry on whether you can be monetized if the mod on your monetized server forbids BI monetization...

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The grammar nazi in me says that it should be "waive" though 🤔 😉

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 10:42 PM

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What if they have a host that ignores DMCA's ?

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then what?

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 10:42 PM

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Yes but, that's what I'm saying....why would/should arma agree to allow 3rd party modded content to have a tighter licence than their own. If it was aligned, this channel would be a lot more quiet.
I know there's the catch all in the arma terms that you need mod approval but, that then means there can't be popular monetised servers.....

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Well... BI must remove monetization until mods like these are removed... then they disable BE, then the server changes IP... rinse and repeat 😦

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Honestly it shouldn't be up to BI. It should be up to the mod creator itself

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:44 PM

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BI has no say over mod licenses... if they did then those mods would probably just become private ones shared between like minded communities I would think

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Which would be a disaster!

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Hi Floss... was reading what you'd written about the Exile monetization policy (though I don't use that mod I checked because of the Italian monetized Exile server this afternoon)

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Just marry up the terms so, if bohemia grant monetisation, as it's their game the modification is based on, then it's OK.

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Currently it does appear to be upto the mod creator(s)

hushed spoke Jul 16, 2018, 10:46 PM

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If they did go private, then that's their choice. Another will pop up though that seeks popularity...

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:51 PM

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BI cannot do that without destroying the modding community tbh... Better to remove monetization completely. Why not, not that many servers on the list

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And many of the most popular servers are not monetized

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And many of the monetized servers are hacker incubators

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 10:54 PM

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@hushed spoke Just marry up the terms so, if bohemia grant monetisation, as it's their game the modification is based on, then it's OK.
they own the game, not the content i make for the game

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you cannot marry up the terms

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 10:55 PM

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It is blatantly clear to me that BI can not enforce its monetisation license agreement and it is causing nothing but grief with the content creators. Is it not time this entire experiment with monetised Arma servers was shutdown for good, banned completely?

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 10:55 PM

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If they did go private, then that's their choice. Another will pop up though that seeks popularity...
lol, they won't go private, modding will cease to exists

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if there is no active modding community for a game francise like arma...

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it is NOT up to BI to enforce individual EULAs

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Good luck with DZSA nodding if that happens

vast notch Jul 16, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Anyone remember the poll? https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/201991-server-monetization-program/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Server monetization program

The former page was listing the following information:

	Quote



	
		We will monitor and evaluate its effect on the community
...

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 10:56 PM

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it is ONLY up to BI to verify, respect and enforce their own damn monetization rules

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Tbh. Would solve all their problems if they removed monetization

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 10:57 PM

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By having them on the monetisation list it is effectively endorsing the breaches of these licenses, BI is actually partly your foe in this as well.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 10:57 PM

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@vast notch 😄 ohh that useless poll i made

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[1:57 AM] G-Dog: Tbh. Would solve all their problems if they removed monetization
yeah ^^

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or it would partly go underground, but it isn't like nowadays a lot of shit isn't going underground either

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but if people/servers are NOT on that list

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it is 100% up to me to deal with it

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which i have and will most likely continue to do so

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i have yet to encoiunter a host that will neglect a C&D

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just so some server to stay up for a game

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 10:59 PM

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For all the ones on that list that are breaking the license then BI is endorsing, them, so suing BI for copyright breach is completely reasonable honestly. Something has to give here and I think going after the source of the problem is the only way you solve this.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:00 PM

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because if they do not act on a C&D

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they are, themselves, liable to damages in case it ends up in court

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:01 PM

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By removing monetization as an approved option the relationship with Bohemia would improve I think

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:01 PM

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as i have acually spend countless mails with BI on the subject

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they are simply not prepped from a human resource point of view

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 11:02 PM

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At the very least it is time to send cease and desists to Bohemia itself for its part in breaching copyright and endorsing those that do so

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:02 PM

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to deal with it

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they don't have any bad intentions on the matter, but they simply cannot handle the amount of stuff going towards their otherwise limited legal dep

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 11:03 PM

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That is my opinion on the matter, personally got no skin in the game as I release GPL v3, although I probably will find I will have to defend that against cretins that modify my mods without giving back.

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Yeah. I don't think BI like Whats happening either.

carmine folio Jul 16, 2018, 11:04 PM

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Doesn't matter whether they have ill will or not, through incompetence or malice they are aiding copyright breaches. They either get the resources and ensure that doesn't happen and they do so now or you ought to prepare to sue them

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:04 PM

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i can tell you that it doesn't. but on the otherhand is 100% up to them to change the rules of the game

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will it solve it? nope

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will then be outside of BI's yard

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yes

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:04 PM

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New campaign... Remove monetization completely. Does not work, cannot be enforced

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:05 PM

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we tried that already

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or at least i have

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and a few of the old farts (like myself)

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in any case, as i previously said, the honest option is to remove monetization altogether

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or, option B, much less likely to happen, due to the can of worms that it is

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to allow everyone to monetize, addon creators and servers alike

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that will most likely end up worse than it is now, considering the existing (or in fact the lack of) infrastructure and access from Valve

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on the long term, this can be (partly) solved by
a. having some out of the box MP gamemods
b. having more dedicated servers 24/7
c. having a lot more control over rented servers or server.exe at the very least

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also one other option is to remove modding altogether from this franchise = much less headaches 😃

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:15 PM

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LOL... Had this idea (I know it is a dream thing) of BI having a list of mods that prohibit monetization and their model class names and server owners on non-monetized servers registering with them. Then you could get a "DLC overlay" if you use the classes on a non-approved monetized server 🙃

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:17 PM

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that's actually possible afaik right now, eventually with some small modifications to the core game

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that being said, due to A3 being on its last leg, i doubt anyone would bother

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:17 PM

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Ikr

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But let's get the ideas in for A4

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Because we are going to need all these modern weapon, equipment and vehicle mods when BI set A4 on Mars...

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(Still have not forgiven them for the 2035 thing)

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:20 PM

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😂

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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i could care less about the setting, i said this before, arma for me is more of a lego than anything else. my own personal wishlist doesn't revolve around content

heavy moon Jul 16, 2018, 11:22 PM

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server master list controlled by bohemia - easy to remove offenders from server list.
server "game" having to be purchased on steam, means offenders = game ban possible, easy to game-ban continuously for people re-purchasing the server.
BI could also run a model where they control and then lease servers to people wanting to run them, easy to shut down offenders then.
those are just a few quick future options that come to mind, that would make policing the minority really convenient for them.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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true, would like to play arma for the story, or game some SP sense out of it (in a game world where SP is so secondary)

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still, i doubt for the francise this will change.

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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you somehow forgot that before monetization the breaches were happening all the time, the program setup some rules and gave us some ammo for the C&D guns

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:23 PM

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I was sort of joking PuFu... apart from the fact that I use (almost) no vanilla A3 weapons or vehicles... CUP or RHS and others (UK3CB, Unsung, etc.) for me 😎

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:24 PM

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the problem is that some somehow think BI can sort any and all IP problems everywhere (while most of the offender don't give squat even when the real lawsuit lands)

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:24 PM

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@pliant oar well aware david, also well aware that BI did it for its own than for anyone else

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that being said, it could have been done completly different

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in order to protect BI's IP

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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btw. our actions still do happen, but lot of ignore the sad fact we must give 'LOT of time' for each 'cycle of please or do'

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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i still send out C&Ds

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for communities that give zero fucks about BI monetization policies

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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ye but you can decide if the delay is >n days< while we must give way more

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:25 PM

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there are still plenty people who do it "under the table"

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what i still don't get is WHY the rules weren't changed

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Surely with a no monetization policy it would be "comply immediately or else"

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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same goes about the BE slap, it's nice workaround i did for the lack of steam master control but it's not effective enough

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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considering


___________________________________________________
We will monitor and evaluate its effect on the community```

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:26 PM

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it works for some but not all

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:27 PM

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did anyone actually monitored and evaluated the effects on community at large

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:27 PM

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ye the problem is that those 'cases' are slowly overwhelming the staff (support/ ip infri.)

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:27 PM

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before same rules, with nil changes was extended/

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i understand the lack of infrastructure, i get that

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but you cannot safely drive @130 kmh on a damn dirt road

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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Some of the monetized servers are also hacker incubators but that has not been dealt with either

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:28 PM

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you cannot expect that to happen, so why do it in the first place

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it's not only about the servers

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it's about the so call mods

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:29 PM

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pufu the thing is, we are the maglev highway and everyone is trying go FTL on it 🤣

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:29 PM

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ripped stuff from all over the place (true, nothing to do with BI, it's not up to BI to slam them for that stuff either)

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you are the first ones trying to FTL on it

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not anyone else

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:30 PM

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not talking about us, i said everyone using that highway is 😉 {ok catch 22 that involves us too}

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I must say that I do not see how prohibiting monetization would make Bohemia's job more difficult?

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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you win

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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yeah but you are the ones that put the minum speed sign up

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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lets correct it ' many do try go FTL'

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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😄

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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but the police only has 0.1 c drives

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:31 PM

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again, who's fault is that

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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not our causes we don't have the FTL blueprint, yet

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Damn... now I have to go watch a few more episodes of Enterprise on Netflix... back later 😉

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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Nothing more likely to inspire fear, than being chased down by a BI cop on a snail 😛

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:32 PM

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i am pretty sure there is little left to do for A3, but what i wanna hear

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is someone from BI (except the folks i exchange mails with from legal dep) and david here

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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it's railgun armed snail with fancyfusion reactor

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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actually aknoledge the clusterfuck the damn monetization created

heavy moon Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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you could keep the existing monetisation licence and just not licence anyone. then you still have the same protections as is current and remove monetised servers.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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is that so hard, or does anyone actually think it worked/

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:33 PM

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as i said, the problem existed before the monetization and it was worse, you just forgot it already

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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@heavy moon said

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the default settings is allowed

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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i give example, if the monetization system is revoked from now on, the violators will continue to happen and nobody will do anything and you on your own

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:34 PM

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switch that to not allowed

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but the thing is, i am already sort of on my own anyways

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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monetization is by default not allowed (some exceptions to what is monetization there), unless on the list which is manual approval

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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yeah but no one actually checks that list either

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come one, you very well know what i am talking about here

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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"i give example, if the monetization system is revoked from now on, the violators will continue to happen and nobody will do anything and you on your own" Except you would C&D anyone who monetized if you prohibited it

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:35 PM

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i know that you have no control over the damn servers

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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ye but at least there is some list and if someone does something he can point to that, the rules and say 'this is in breach of that, please take it down (e.g. GSP, server host, file host w/e))

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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i also know that would have been nice to actually be able to shut them down

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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remove the monetizing ruleset and you back to your own EULA or our basic EULA

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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just like i know that Valve doesn't actually ban people for IP violations

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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aka all of sudden you have less guns (or ammo or w/e you use as portrait of picture)

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 PM

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worst case, they revoke their publishing rights

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:37 PM

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How come BI has such a hard time getting people game banned for this stuff? whereas other games can get it done at the drop of a hat apparently

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:37 PM

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what you mean game banned ?

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:37 PM

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locked out on steam

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:38 PM

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I believe BI are little more restrictive on throwing out game bans

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:38 PM

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i have yet to see such a game ban for arma

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:38 PM

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how i can know if jon joe xyz who buys cheap account in sale and publish 255 mods he just downloaded somewhere even uses that account to play game ?

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it's as futile as naive

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and gamebans aren't blocking access to workshop of the gamebanned game either

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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I oddly thought BE bans gave game bans for a moment, but it's BE ban and VAC bans so people can't refund the game 😂

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Maybe bring in VAC bans for A4?

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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VAC bans ?

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facepalm

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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I know A3 does not support Steam VAC bans

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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begins going to check one the sitreps where a change was mentioned

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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if one has the account BE banned, he cannot use BE enabled servers

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 PM

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VAC bans and game bans are the same thing, just done by different anticheat services as source

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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but that goes to show the effectivness of BE server bans as well

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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it seems very strange that steam allows people to access workshop for games they do not have

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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Oh... did not know... so a VAC ban is a BE ban?

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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https://dev.arma3.com/post/sitrep-00171 < ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Nah a BE ban results in both

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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VAC ban is just game ban but for service named VAC 😉

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because it predates the gameban system and it's Valve's own anticheat service

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:40 PM

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😉 😉 😉

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Thanks Major Mittens

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Wait what, are the three emojis different sized for anyone else?

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:41 PM

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nah, you're just goin mad 😛

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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@grand oyster lol dude, take a break from the screen

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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Last time I had looked ARMA was not on the list of VAC ban supported games and I did not read that in the SITREP 🤦

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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ye banned accounts can't be refunded that's correct @grand oyster and it's good it prevents exploits on the charge backs

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:42 PM

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yep

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:43 PM

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anyway until Valve enforces better rules for the workshop (like multiple bans means no more access to upload more items, game banned / vac banned for the game again no more uploads etc.)

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there isn't much what can be done against repeated offenders

heavy moon Jul 16, 2018, 11:44 PM

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and what would be the best way to get them to do so? cos it seems like valve does w/e it wants to keep coin rolling in and those who use steam have no say either in how steam works nor its eula.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:44 PM

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i still don't get why there is no real control given to the game developers

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on the damn SW for their own game

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:44 PM

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it's hard to convice company which autoprints money by just doing nothing 😁

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 11:44 PM

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I'm sure if Bohemia contacted valve on their behalf vs a regular content creator they would listen to you guys more?

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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lol

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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and how you come on the idea we didn't raise those issues repeatedly for years with that partner ?

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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they have a system set in place to protect themselves

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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let me google this for you

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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and still not to alienate users to other services

heavy moon Jul 16, 2018, 11:45 PM

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yeah at the very least gamedevs should have control over their own workshop space, how it operates and how it is policed. outside of valve recieving dmca claims on content,. but knowing valve with that responsibility they would also offload dmca claims onto those developers.

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:46 PM

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Valve+Time

LMGTFY

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https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

Valve Time

frail flint Jul 16, 2018, 11:46 PM

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Mebbe this has all happened because it's arma3...? we know how valve don't like 3's

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:46 PM

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for a company as big as valve, shit moves with a completly different speed

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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now, the good question is what we get first, all the stuff i want for Workshop and STEAM or Half Life 3 😉

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Cs go 2 and DotA 2

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First as it's their cash cow

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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lol

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if HL3 ends up like that last duke nukem

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Half life 3 will just be a $60 triple a title with no cosmetics

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:47 PM

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Will we have ARMA4 before HL3?

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Arma 4 is like 5 years away so probably not

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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A4 will have no mods, and will be xbox exclusive

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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I need my sweet ARMA enfusion fix NOW!

heavy moon Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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half-life 3 doesn't exist and will most likely never as valve does not have the need to create games to stay afloat anymore, they have steam and just outright buy any title that becomes popular to corner those markets.

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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go play some dayz

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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can't even type cause speculations going thru the roof

coral tendon Jul 16, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Oh man if Arma went to console that's when you know the game is dead

paper prawn Jul 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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I do PuFu, even have a server - even though I cannot run bloody 0.63 on it

pliant oar Jul 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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why, the OFP: Elite was actually delivering to consoles stuff they never heard off like mission editor 😉

echo orchid Jul 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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https://media.giphy.com/media/Zcox5IDVib56jAJoKS/giphy.gif

Giphy

grand oyster Jul 16, 2018, 11:49 PM

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oof