arma3_animation

[buoyant lagoon]

ah okay

I was using the wrong rig, so I would now use this as a refernece since something something bones are locked

[fast canopy]

Because it disables all constraints

[desert raven]

If you know what you do constraints can be brought back to working. But you can also just have that on the background for reference.

[buoyant lagoon]

okay cool it all worked 🙏 ty very much @fast canopy

I eventually just copied the x.y.z,w rotation numbers manually over to a 2nd instance that has the actual stuff

[buoyant lagoon]

i know that I know nothing 🙂

only problem now is the gun is in the shoulder but 🙏 better then before

[desert raven]

Gun model may need to be edited to fit the pose.

[plain knot]

Is there any way to get the default starting crouch, standing and pose positions for armarig?

[fast canopy]

Arma 3 Samples

[deep berry]

Lol that was the RTM file i was always looking for 😂😂😂 that one i can simply import into ArmaRig, yes?

[fast canopy]

Yes

[plain knot]

Arma tools doesn’t let me import RTM’s

Or at least it didn’t the last time I tried

[desert raven]

binarized rmts cant be imported

[plain knot]

Why would the arma samples be binarised?

[fast canopy]

It's not

[timber pendant]

Any1 have good ai animatioms?

[desert raven]

can you elaborate what you are looking for?

[timber pendant]

Animations for like pow so like mining or farming sum like that and like combat Animations like radio talking ect

[desert raven]

there arent really much in way of stuff like that. if there are any youll find them on the steam workshop

also please clean up your crosspost of this same question from the other channels

crossposting is agains the #rules

[sturdy sphinx]

can someone help me understand how to do animations for a vehicles, i am creating a mech and o have the model and i gave it bones in blender but i am confused as to how i translate the animations from blender to arma

[desert raven]

since this may be better channel to talk about that, I'll copy over my answer from the #arma3_model channel and delete the question from there.

In the future @sturdy sphinx dont crosspost same question on multiple channels. you have to pick one as per #rules

mechs in Arma are extremely difficult thing to do so I would suggest practicing with someting far more simpler
there basically 2 ways to make a mech.

The fake tank

or

new character
both have pros and cons

[sturdy sphinx]

okay but how would i do the vehicle animations, like what is the process because everything is really confusing and chatgpt isnt helping much either

also thanks for replying

[desert raven]

do not use chatgpt for anything arma related

actually

dont use it for anything

its full of crap

and it knows nothing of arma for real

what you can do is read the wiki pages about "how to animate model" and "model.cfg" to understand the model.cfg procerural animations and skeleton definitions

thats what would be used for "tank based mech"

and its easiest starting point to learn stuff

blender and animating in blender are not much related to that

not for the basics anyway

you can also study the sample vehicles and buildings to see how they are built

and you should practice with something simple like just 2 boxes that you animate to move in certain ways to get familiar with how it works

and youll need to P drive development environment set up right so you can use objectBuilders Buldozer previewer to check your model.cfg works with your p3d model

[sturdy sphinx]

yep yep thank you 👍🏼

[desert raven]

👍 this will be quite difficult road but there are cool things that can be achieved if you can put in the effort to learn it

some examples of the tank type walkers are the TIOW Warhound and Tiberian Genesis Titan for example

and for the character based walker, Webknights warhammer 40k Knight

[sturdy sphinx]

yep yep

[limpid lion]

Hello everybody, does it happen to any of you that the keyframe to make animations/kinetic jumps you an error when using the center to an object?

this error to be exact, and when starting the game the camera stays still and does not make the path.

[desert raven]

you must be feeding something wrong to the script

[limpid lion]

I am not using a script, I am using the modules of the game itself, could it be that I am missing the eden ID?

[desert raven]

I dont know what exactly it says but I think its expecting you to feed it an object

and its getting a number

[limpid lion]

if so I don't know how to get it, I'm trying to do it with chatgpt but I can't find a simple method to do it.

[desert raven]

never use chatgp for arma stuff

its shit

it dont know anything

[limpid lion]

it has solved things for me sometimes, and right now it is relatively accurate, although it hasn't given me a method to obtain the eden ID of an object in a simple way.

[desert raven]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Key_Frame_Animation

see if theres anything that helps here

[limpid lion]

https://youtu.be/ZNsTY6HBTvw

I have created a video of how I try all the combinations that come to my mind and it doesn't work, I have looked at the documentation and nothing.

I have even removed the look and the camera does not move along the line it is supposed to move along.

[next cloak]

Hello, does anyone happen to know how to make the hand animation change when you're deployed on a bipod/surface?

Like this, as seen in RHSUSAF's M107.

[static kayak]

RHS scripts it

[drifting light]

Anyone know of an animation where civilians will look like they're chanting? (I'm looking to make some protesters/rioters)

[night dune]

How do I select the bones in the object builder?

[desert raven]

Object builder does not really know bones.
What is it you try to do?

[night dune]

The bones literally, the green part of the photo or skeleton

I want to select the bones as seen in the image

[desert raven]

I'd recommend doing this kind of animation in better program. Like blender

[night dune]

That is already set, I am exporting to rtm etc, I just want to know about selecting bones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ACIBZrNIA&t=133sthe reference video is this

[night dune]

@desert raven ?

[fast canopy]

You just really need to use RTMExporter for Blender instead importing into OB

[desert raven]

There is no need to do anything in object builder if you do your animations already in blender and export as rtm.

I'm pretty sure you are on wrong track

[night dune]

For example, the one that comes with the tools?

[fast canopy]

It literally came with ArmaToolBox

[next cloak]

Anyone know why this might happen when trying to edit a weapon handAnim? I've placed the model.cfg from Arma 3 Samples\Addons\Test_Character_01\ in the same folder as the .rtm. CfgWeapons as follows: ```c++
class CfgWeapons {
class srifle_EBR_F;
class UK3CB_BAF_L129A1 : srifle_EBR_F {
handAnim[] = {
"OFP2_ManSkeleton",
"\z\Sniper Supported Anims\addons\uk3cb_weapons_compat\anims\UK3CB_L129A1_HoldAnim.rtm"
};
};
};

I've ensured the weapon bone in ArmaRig and `model.cfg` have the same capitalisation (namely none, i.e. all lowercase).

Blend file should it be needed.

[fast canopy]

Which software you use to pack

[next cloak]

hemtt

[fast canopy]

Can you check the RTM in OB and does it look fine

[next cloak]

Shall do.

Forgive my ignorance but how do I import the RTM into Object Builder?

I've never edited a handAnim before

[fast canopy]

Open a character P3D, right click on Animations Window (open it if you don't have one Window > Animations) and import

[desert raven]

Does hemtt handle rtms correctly?

[next cloak]

I've been able to pack other animations just fine.

[desert raven]

Other hand anims or just general anims?

[next cloak]

General animations

[desert raven]

Hand anims are bit special.

[next cloak]

I am clicking "Import" yet nothing happens.

[desert raven]

Import from matrix

[fast canopy]

Indeed, I stand correct

[next cloak]

Ah

[desert raven]

Was it that? XD was just gonna say or something like that. That just popped in mind

[next cloak]

As far as I can tell it looks like the weapon bone isn't being repositioned properly:

[fast canopy]

Then it could mean you did something in binarize

[next cloak]

Oh nevermind

I did hemtt launch -b and it works just fine now.

Apparently you have to specify -b for it to binarize.

Thank you, @fast canopy and @desert raven. Appreciate the help in brainstorming.

[desert raven]

👍

[night dune]

what

[fast canopy]

?

[night dune]

xD?

Ask how they see this gun?

[fast canopy]

?

[night dune]

wait

The problem I have is that when reloading the charger you cannot see how it is inserted

Any idea what was going on there? I have the memory LODS. Do you want a photo?

[fast canopy]

Do you mean you have a different question other than the question you've made initially

[night dune]

In fact it has always been the same

but that's what it is

I don't know what could be happening

[fast canopy]

Importing/exporting RTM and animating a weapon is not even related like at all

[night dune]

Sorry, I had the idea that making the animation myself would fix it :(

The thing is that I don't know how to make the charger animate.

or magazine

[median magnet]

Hello,
I have a problem with a helicopter I imported.
When I do a ‘hide’ animation, the selection is not completely hidden, but is shrunk and shifted, as if the animation was broken. Do you have any solutions?

[desert raven]

you have applied 2 bones to it

you have to chain your bones so hide is before the other bone(s)

[median magnet]

So, if "treuil_boue", and "treuil", is included in "hide_treuil", i have to set
"hide_treuil","",
"treuil","hide_treuil",
"treuil_boue","hide_treuil",

[desert raven]

yes

[median magnet]

Mhh it's not good :/

[desert raven]

you still need to use only the last bones selection

not many

[median magnet]

Corrected thanks !

[undone mirage]

Hi

I make a animation with cfgGesture but my gesture use righthand et lefthand
Who can i add this two things in the mask variable ?

Because mask[]={"RightHands","LeftHands"} dont work

[desert raven]

I dont think those are bone names you can use in the mask

[median magnet]

Hello,
I have a problem with my helicopter. When the rotor is due to break (collision with the ground for example), instead of hiding, it immediately stops turning and remains frozen. I've been at it since 11am lol

[desert raven]

do you have a hide animation for it connected to the hitpoint for the rotor?

[median magnet]

@desert raven

[desert raven]

where do you inherit the hitrotor class?

in model.cfg

[median magnet]

from here

[desert raven]

I would recommend forgetting that inheritance and just writing the necessary lines into your classes

its likely not going to actually contain what you need

I dont think you have such model.cfg on your drive that contains this info

it is more an example

[median magnet]

Mhhh ok

[undone mirage]

Where is the list of the bones names who can use it ? On the cfg ?

[tired needle]

Tried browsing through the animation viewer?

[limpid lion]

hi everyone, i'm shooting a trailer and i want to do a scene with some soldiers walking but the animation is on location and i don't know how to simulate them walking forward.

[strange canopy]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_scriptedMove

#arma3_scripting its more suited to the question, or #arma3_editor if you are using editor modules

[drifting light]

I have, nothing there looks particularly useful for what I want

[west nimbus]

Does this game have like a pose mod of some sort or like an animation mod so I can make my own without having to go into Blender and learn that

[icy nebula]

Pose mod, not really but there are some animation packs
POLPOX's Artwork Supporter is one of the animation poser tools, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1341387001&searchtext=polpox+animation
Haven't used it myself, but seen numerous scenes built with it (screenshot/image building only, playable will require scripting or other means)

[icy nebula]

Searching static animation in the workshop will find the static animation mods, just more animations to work with

[desert raven]

Can't make new animations in live game

[night dune]

How can I adapt my animation that I made in blender to the cfg model?

[desert raven]

what kind of animation?

[night dune]

To reload a weapon

[desert raven]

the player animation or the weapons animation?

[night dune]

If you can explain to me both great

If not, preferably the player's

[desert raven]

for player you would need to export the animation as rtm and configure a reload action in config for it and then set your weapons config to use that reload action

as to the weapons model.cfg, it is typically written in text editor with the procedural animations model.cfg uses

if its complex sequence there is a model.cfg exporter that can export a list of frame by frame animations that can be used in model.cfg

but often the simple procerural animations are enough

@young carbon its for complex animations like moving magazine along hand type of stuff that is not really feasible to write procedurally

[night dune]

Okay, and if I only want the reloading one but not the weapon I need, how would I do it? I already have the animation exported to rtm

Can you explain it to me and I'll send you photos?

@desert raven

[desert raven]

sorry I dont have time right now to explain in more detail

[night dune]

Well, a question, can I define an animation only using the cpp file or do I have to use the text file?

define it like this

[desert raven]

no this is not right

rtm is not refered to in model.cfg

[buoyant lagoon]

is it possible to disable the slight index finger curl that the right index finger has for weapon hand anims?

[fast canopy]

Trigger finger animation is defined in CfgMovesMaleSdr's something

[woeful pelican]

i think its defined in the unit config

at least I remember seeing a trigger rtm in there

only way I know of to disable it without messing with that is via a gesture or animation that has canPullTrigger = 0; set

despite the name it only means the trigger animation doesn't play

you can still fire weapons

[fast canopy]

Yup I meant that

Just couldn't recall at the time

[buoyant lagoon]

its not the act of pulling the trigger per say, but the little curl the dude does.

[fast canopy]

Which is the pulling the trigger animation

[buoyant lagoon]

Oh okay, so then about canPullTrigger, I thought handanims are not defined in CfgMovesMaleSdr? Would I need to script it in where it plays the animation with the finger not curled? Kinda like how the RHS m240b when you deploy bipod the dudes left hand goes to the stock?

[desert raven]

I believe the trigger finger anim plays on top of that

Id assume this weapon needs some sort of trigger too?

[buoyant lagoon]

nope 🙂

u know how it be in sci fi settings

something something, shoot with ur the thought of ur mind

[desert raven]

well challenge here is real weapons use trigger

and Arma is designed around that

[buoyant lagoon]

tbh I could just extend the index finger, I am sure it will be fine

[desert raven]

that would keep it "on trigger" when weapon is held

but it would still pull the trigger when shot

[buoyant lagoon]

I guess that is fine in the end, a small little thing that atleast doesnt impact functional game play

or just model a trigger 🙂

[woeful pelican]

thats the easiest way to deal with it

what I was suggesting requires you to play a gesture/animation

which is a giant pain as you'll have to replay each time the player/unit throws a grenade, reloads, etc

[amber belfry]

this is going to probably be a super stupid question but i cant seem to google the right question to find an answer, how can I select just the individual bones in the rig? when I select any of them, IE the box around the foot, it selects the whole rig

[desert raven]

need to enable pose mode

[amber belfry]

thank u

[buoyant lagoon]

for binos is there any special restrictions on hand anims, like how for pistols the right hand is fixed

[fast canopy]

I recall Ded ever said some idea. But I don't even know if binoc IK is even implemented

[woeful pelican]

it's implemented iirc but needs to be enabled in a config patch

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

[buoyant lagoon]

will that mess with existing binos?

oh wat does weaponIK = 0x3000 mean?

I will try this out in the weekend then

[fast canopy]

Good to know

[chilly fox]

I'm trying to import an animation into Object Builder for some troubleshooting, but nothing happens when I click import on the animation window

Any ideas if this is even still functional?

[fast canopy]

What do you really trying to achieve would be the first question

[chilly fox]

I'm trying to set up a handanim but there's some weird warping with the arms going on in-game, so I wanted to load it up in OB just to troubleshoot faster

[fast canopy]

And what do you really mean by warping

[chilly fox]

Like so.

[desert raven]

How do you pack the RTM pbo?

[chilly fox]

Through addon builder

[fast canopy]

You sure you really export RTM

[chilly fox]

I'm exporting through A3 toolbox on blender.

[fast canopy]

How many KB your RTM has?

[chilly fox]

13kb

[fast canopy]

You sure your filepath is 100% correct?

AKA, do you have an error message regarded to the handanim

[chilly fox]

Nah, fairly sure all of that is correct.

[desert raven]

Addon builder often has trouble with hand anims it seems.

You could try with pboproject.

You will then also need a model.cfg with the A3 character skeleton next to the RTM. And rtm should be in its own folder like yourthing/data/anims/rtms and model.cfg

[fast canopy]

I don't think that at least is a case. It should become a broken anim, not a default anim

[desert raven]

Isn't that broken stretch hands in the picture?

[fast canopy]

It isn't. It is default anim

[chilly fox]

I didn't set up any character skeleton in my model.cfg so that could be something.

[desert raven]

I dont think addon builder cares about that.

[chilly fox]

Well I'm trying to get my head around pboproject and it's not picking up my files. I'll assume there's something wrong with my structure but I can't point it out.

\Havish Modding\Arma 3 Modding\No 1 Mk3\no1mk3_rifle\config.cpp circa Line 39: \no1mk3_rifle\data\anims\no1mk3_hand_anim.rtm```

[desert raven]

well probably you need to set up your pboPrefix files so it skips all the extra folders your stuff is in

or just use the absolute paths

thats what I do

Like all my stuff is in simple project stucture like this

[chilly fox]

Alright so that solved the pboproject issue and my animations, I guess I'll need to organise my P drive another way.

Thanks for your help guys.

[brittle nacelle]

Is it possible to keep a player aiming down the sight while playing a gesture?

[fast canopy]

AFAIK yes

[fast canopy]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgMoves_Config_Reference#enableOptics

[chilly fox]

Any clues why model.cfg animations would be completely different between bulldozer and in-game? I have my sights correctly rotating in bulldozer and yet they're translating/rotating in what seems to be a massive arc when tested in-game.

I'm using something like this atm:

    type = "rotation";
    source = "zeroing.0";
    selection = "ladder_sight";
    sourceAddress = "clamp";
    axis = "sight_axis";
    minPhase=0;
    maxPhase=0;
    minValue=0;
    maxValue=0;
    memory=1;
    angle0=0;
    angle1=0;
};
class LadderSight200 {
    type = "rotation";
    source = "zeroing.0";
    selection = "ladder_sight";
    sourceAddress = "clamp";
    axis = "sight_axis";
    minPhase=0.19;
    maxPhase=0.2;
    minValue=0.19;
    maxValue=0.2;
    memory=1;
    angle0=0;
    angle1=-0.02;
};```

[desert raven]

mayhaps missing autocenter 0 named property in geometery lod

[chilly fox]

That works! Tyvm

[placid glacier]

Hello everyone, please help me, I've been sitting here for 2 days and can't figure out animexport

Why does everything work fine in the bulldozer but poorly in the game?

help please

[fast canopy]

I don't really see how it is in game though. The Buldozer model is not representing how it behaves ingame

[placid glacier]

It just doesn't work correctly in the game, the bulldozer works fine

As if there are no points of some kind, he is still trying to pull somewhere, he did it earlier, but now it doesn’t work

The animation plays, I wrote it all down, but it leaves.

[teal nexus]

Hi , how i can find animate of some object like
RuggedTerminal_02_communications_F

[desert raven]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/animationNames

[dusty spoke]

For locomotion on custom characters, having an issue finding out where im suppoused to input x and y translation for the unit to actually move - dont know if its cfgmoves related or somewhere else but i couldnt find anything relevant under states, anyone?

(land contact and geometry LODs were set up and the unit is affected by gravity, + the walking animation does in fact play when pressing W, so the only thing that's actually missing is the translation)

[desert raven]

The movement vectors are baked into the rtm

[dusty spoke]

Aah ok... odd... how does one set that up? Blender plugin rtm export doesnt give me any option for that

unless im suppoused to be opening the rtm in object builder post-export and setting it up there?

[desert raven]

The blender plugin should have dialog for it

Right under the buttons to add export frames to the list

[dusty spoke]

must be completely missing a window then since i dont see that under the export dialog

[desert raven]

Which toolbox plugin you use?

Alwarrens or clocks?

[dusty spoke]

clock's

didnt know there were two 😂

[desert raven]

It should have it too but it might be in different place.

I can check later but just look into the tool tabs

[dusty spoke]

ooh wait no i found it it's under the dope sheet

[desert raven]

👍

[dusty spoke]

thank you! i've been looking at configs for two hours

[desert raven]

Negative Y is forward

[dusty spoke]

didnt even think it might've been in the actual addon lol

[desert raven]

If I remember right

And the value is in meters/second

[dusty spoke]

gotcha; cheers!

[desert raven]

It should equal to the distance your walk cycle moves

To minimize any sliding

[dusty spoke]

i'll probably find this out but while here might as well ask - i assume variable root motion speed is possible?

i.e slowing down or speeding up

there appear to be indexes for it so actually probably yes...

yeah i'll play around with this - at least punched through that hurdle now

[desert raven]

variable root motion?

[dusty spoke]

oh i was referencing non-linear vector motion (not just from A to B with constant speed) (in other game engines the character moves based on the root bone instead of this vector designation in arma) - so there could be a speed-up, slow down, then speed up again, etc.. .depending on what the action in the animation is - like a transition animation from standing to walking would ideally cubic-ease into the speed of the walking

however i do see in the settings here that it may be possible

[desert raven]

I dont think it is. 🤔 at least cant recall seeing such anywhere

what you can do is move the character forward and back/faster slower though

the vector stays constant but the visual looks varied

[dusty spoke]

Eh aint a big deal if it isnt - i know its an older engine so ceetain limitations are to be expected 😄

And yeah as you said i reckon i could probably just play a lot with different transition anim speeds and durations alone

Gotta say tho the rtm export process and skeletons seem a lot more forgiving than say unreal engine lol

Maybe its clocks addon making if super easy but horray for not having to worry too much about different asset types

[grizzled blaze]

do i have to export an animation i intend to loop in a special way or am i missing something else?

  class ArmShieldAnim_Loop: ArmShieldAnim_Start
        {
            file="\PHEN_EquipmentPLUS\anims\SpartanArmShieldAnim_Loop.rtm";
            looped=1;           
            speed=-5;
            leftHandIKCurve[]={0};
        };

[fast canopy]

What, of course you need to export an RTM to show the RTM

[grizzled blaze]

well yea silly

the character plays the animation, but it doesnt loop

it just stops when it ends

my blender

my export

[fast canopy]

Try connectTo and interpolateTo

It is not about RTM, it is about your config

[grizzled blaze]

connect to and interpolate to itself?

okay pog

❤️

since its a gesture... i can still use those properties

[fast canopy]

That is not what you implied until now. CfgGesturesMale, AFAIK doesn't support it

[grizzled blaze]

it does ; w; webnight has a looping shield gesture and i've copied its config directly

[fast canopy]

And it doesn't mean it uses no script

[grizzled blaze]

we use the same anim with no script

and it loops on regular skelly

but the new animation for spartan anim does not loop, so i figured it would be an export thingy

[fast canopy]

I don't even know/understand what you do or what you talk about

[grizzled blaze]

one sec o wo

[fast canopy]

If you want to troubleshoot something in your Mod, or animation, just tell it literally in details, not summary that tells nothing

[grizzled blaze]

i am trying my hardest, but im not 100% certain on what details to say, as far as i know i've explained it properly 😄

[fast canopy]

Tell everything then

[grizzled blaze]

i have been

when animation ends, gesture returns to default

[fast canopy]

And how do you even run this animation

[grizzled blaze]

[_unit, 'ArmShieldAnim_Loop'] remoteExec ['playAction', [0,-2] select isDedicated];

we do this for regular skelly as well and it works

[fast canopy]

And how does WebKnight's something run

[grizzled blaze]

the same way since there arent many ways to play a gesture

[fast canopy]

The same way is the summary I call, not detail

[grizzled blaze]

[_unit, 'ArmShieldAnim_Loop'] remoteExec ['playAction', [0,-2] select isDedicated];

i mean literally the same way

[fast canopy]

What, so you are modifying the ArmShieldAnim_Loop gesture itself that is integrated into the game by WebKnight's something

[grizzled blaze]

no

these are our animations for the spartan, im just using the same action name for code reasons

but as you can see the same code run on this fella has him loop the anim

this is our stuff in our mod, webknight only donated the rtm file for teh human skeleton

[fast canopy]

Okay, what do you do in config wise

[grizzled blaze]

one sec

[fast canopy]

And what is supposed to happen, without your Mod

[grizzled blaze]

wym

nothing, no mod no animations no shield no equipment

we arent editing anything webknight is doing

this is a completely seperate thing

[fast canopy]

So you mentioned WebKnight's animation, not Mod, like at all

[grizzled blaze]

because this has nothing to do with webknight

he gave us an rtm thats literally it

[fast canopy]

That was the biggest twist in this conversation so far

I thought you are modifying something over WebKnight's whatever Mod

[fast canopy]

Then this is the ONLY config that should be involved on?

[grizzled blaze]

yes

[fast canopy]

speed = -10e30;

[grizzled blaze]

lol we ball aight

[grizzled blaze]

okay solved it is indeed an export issue with my toolbox version and arma rig ; w;

[grizzled blaze]

ty for the help polpox ❤️ this also worked

[plain knot]

Is there any possible way to have a strap/ wrap that has physics and or can be animated

I’m trying to animate a tourniquet

[desert raven]

Not in a good enough way I'd say.

Physics you can't have anyway.

And if you mean a worn sling you could make it a piece of equipment

It just has to me modeled quite distorted so it fits the T pose. But then proper animation would bring it to right shape when hand is in right pose

[plain knot]

I modelled multiple versions, would it possible to transition between the different models/ states?

[desert raven]

No

Well yes

You can of course delete old and spawn new object

But it won't really look great

[plain knot]

I already know it would probably be hell but could you do it with vertex points in config?

[desert raven]

No

[plain knot]

For tightening/ loosening the loop

What if I made it a ‘weapon’

And that as the reload animation

[desert raven]

Especially not

Well OK via reload maybe

But how much effort you want to put into this?

[plain knot]

Quite a lot

I’m trying to make all the medical animations for ACM

Somewhat related would these animations translate into arma or is there something I need to change

https://youtu.be/gg35BRL55Rg?si=n0YHhQ2tyz4cw0wW

https://youtu.be/q4eh5l8M75o?si=gFGT77QQ-6UvKjAh

[desert raven]

Quite difficult.

Main problem points are that If it's separate object attached to the scene it looks shit in first person

And if it's say weapon as you mention, how to control the animations

Ok sure you could theoretically get it to fire and reload while those other animations play on the character.

And maybe that way trigger the movements of different parts.

Buut that's huge maybe

Then comes issues with dynamic surfaces

[plain knot]

Yes

I wanted to do it kind of like PIR

[desert raven]

That animation would work only if characters are in exact positions and at same level etc

[plain knot]

Where the animations start in the same kneeling

I realised that has issues with gameplay (like tryna do medical in cover)

[desert raven]

Also on slope

[plain knot]

Yeah

What would be the way round that

Maybe I could make some animations that work for a slope, so above or below the patient

And have them used if there’s a slope detected or something

But that’s a ridiculous amount of effort

The main thing I want is for the animations to actually line up

I hate how immersion breaking it is doing CPR on someone’s balls

[desert raven]

This is not really realistically possible.

[desert raven]

Due to this

Precision works only in tightly controlled events

[static kayak]

Is there a way to pose the community rig in the "pistol" pose completely accurately? I uh, need an animation to start and end there.

[mild wolf]

If in Blender, you can copy the start frames to end frames so you have the start and end as the same.

[static kayak]

That part ain't the problem, lol

It's getting the pistol pose

Trynna make a bolt animation for my stupid needle-shooting nerf gun

Gotta pull that plunger back and press it forward

[mild wolf]

The thing in the back? You can separate the mesh from the base model and then animate that part, or vertex group it, assign and animate. It has been awhile since i last animated so excuse if i don't quite get it

[static kayak]

oh no i know how to animate it in model'cfg

it's bolt action

so i need to animate the hands

I just uh, need to figure out how to get the start and end to be correct to the pistol post

[mild wolf]

Ah right, i animate everything in Blender and then just export a model.cfg from that, but pistols has always been a nighmare for me so no clue on that one

[static kayak]

Actually...lemme dm Soko. I know he's done it.

[mild wolf]

True

[cloud perch]

You can import the base-game RTM using the Blender A3 Toolbox and line your rig up to match. Alternatively, you can fix the IK after the import, but I am not sure which requires more effort.

[mild wolf]

Never gotten those to work 🤔

[desert raven]

Mikeros toolset dertm is needed to read them.

[mild wolf]

Ah makes sense then

[dusty spoke]

question about the blendAnims class under cfgmoves - is it possible to somehow create one from a reference pose so i dont have to do guesswork on the value i should put into each bone? its also a bit confusing how it's only 1 value from 0 to 1 but there are three axies (albeit it works as intended for aiming for example - so i wont question it i guess) - for one I wanna try creating a version of the vertical aim offset that doesnt rotate the entire torso too much - rather mostly the arms/hands/weapon - this is for an entirely custom character btw

[desert raven]

Blendanim means blend strength of animation pose per bone with underlying stance pose

Typically it works with gestures

And how much gesture can affect the pose

The stance animations are the base poses

[dusty spoke]

which pose does it inherit from? like, for my character atm i only actually have an idle aiming forward and that's it - no reference pose for aiming down, aiming up, aiming center - etc (as you'd do in other engines)... so im a little confused as to what it blends with exactly

[desert raven]

It does not inherit from any pose

Or I don't understand what you mean with it

The movement stances are what move/shape the character. Gestures are on top of that

Like reloading

What kind of character are you making?

[dusty spoke]

to reiterate - right now my character is practically blank - it only has an idle aiming animation with a rifle and that's it - so having applied the vanilla blendAnims to it - it is now capable of aiming up/down like the arma 3 Man model - which is great (some bones arent moving because they're not listed in the blends but i'll fix that up later) - im mainly curious as to how the game knows how to rotate the bone and on which axis if it doesnt have a refernece for what aiming down and aiming up look like (in other engines you'd usually have an aiming up pose - and you interpolate between that pose and the center aiming pose for when the player aims up)

[dusty spoke]

humanoid but taller and bigger 😂 so not much difference skeletally from a regular man but the proportions are different

[desert raven]

Space marine?

[dusty spoke]

yeah i've decided to make my own

[desert raven]

I'm just curious because not many people work with this stuff

[dusty spoke]

all good, its quite a daunting task but i've got the blessing of an animation background professionally

its just the arma implementation is different from say unreal engine so im hitting a few roadblocks

the main reason of the question is because i find the way you aim vertically in arma 3 (where your entire torso rotates up from the pelvis) is quite unnatural - i'd want something more like 33% spinal rotation of vanilla - and 66% more rotation in the arms and hand rotating the actual weapon instead of the body (if that makes sense)

and ofc having made my own skeleton that's not similar to the arma 3 Man in any way save for being bipedal - i have to redo a lot

[desert raven]

I'm not sure if you can have that off the top of my head. But if you can aim it might indicate you are inheriting some of the vanilla things I stead ow having fully blank set to start with

[dusty spoke]

oh that's cause i straightup just copied the vanilla blendAnims class

cause i wanted to work off of it as a base to modify it to my criteria

[desert raven]

If you have matching bone names you are probably picking up a lot of default stuff fro. The base man class

[dusty spoke]

yeah the torso does rotate since i've kept spine names the same - the rest doesnt (however i understand i just need to add those bones and blend values to the array so that's not really a big deal)

i just didnt expect it to work lol

since as i mentioend - how does the game even know how to rotate my spine bones if it doesnt have a reference for aiming up/down yet

but i guess it's procedural in arma as opposed to other engines - i assume it looks at the current vector direction and bases the rotation on that

[desert raven]

The rest might not still work as there are all kinds of bone functional definitions also in the cfgVehicles man class

[dusty spoke]

ye i've seen those, specifically for each limb + the spinal structure - i'll get to renaming those later - i've mangaed to get the actual animations to work as intended which is great (and with your help of the vector tip to make walking work 😄 )

right now i just haave an idle and a walk since i wanna make sure im doing things right before implementing the other hundreds lol

also finished setting up proxies so weapons are held in the right spot and all that

but anyway back to the original topic - assuming it's a limitation of how the aiming works i suppose i'll have to live with it - it was more of a pet peeve than anything - and im having no apparent issue from a technical perspective to making the blendAnims work - its more visual on how they look rather than anything that i wanna adjust

classic arma - break-your-spine looking upwards

[desert raven]

It might work out,at least in some poses. Arma basic setup is more geared towards gameplay

Like to be able to aim up from downward slope

[dusty spoke]

hopefully - considering it seems to be procedural and not entirely dependent on an animation reference - its always something i can adjust later

[young carbon]

am i misunderstanding something? Blends should be literal blends afaik. "How much does RTM2 affects the bone, how much is still previous RTM1" O_o

[dusty spoke]

yeah thats the crux of my curiosity since there is no animation to tell the game how aiming down/aiming up should look like - which is why i was baffled as to how it even worked

theres transitions and theres blendAnims - which are different

blendAnims is the one that im investigating

what you described is transitions (one animation to another)

[young carbon]

class CfgMovesMaleSdr {
    class States {
    ...
        class vehicle_passenger_stand_2_Aim_Launcher: cargo_base
        {
            actions="vehicle_passenger_stand_2LauncherActions";
            file="\A3\cargoposes_F_heli\anim\vehicle_passenger_stand_2aimlauncher.rtm";
            speed=100000;
            weaponIK=4;
            enableMissile=1;
            canPullTrigger=0;
            enableOptics=4;
            aiming="aimingLauncher";
            aimingBody="aimingUpLauncher";``` seems to point to specific rtm for aiming pose, though?

[desert raven]

Blendanim is still just blend strength but it may be for procedural input

[dusty spoke]

aiming forward - yeah

[desert raven]

Honestly I don't remember off the top of my head

[young carbon]

except "forward" is along the aiming line?

[dusty spoke]

in unreal engine for example - you would have a single frame pose animation of the character aiming forward - then another of the character aiming up - and another of the character aiming down

the latter two of the three dont seem to exist in arma 3

only the forward one

therefore my assumption was "ok so its procedural - but if its procedural i'd assume the number in the blendAnims array dictates the amount of rotation for the bone for aiming up and down - however it seems to consider itself as more of a blend rather than a value of "rotate spine on X axis by 30 degrees when aiming down, and 30 degrees when aiming up"

it's probably hardcoded somewhere and based off of the vectorDir

[young carbon]

well, for all i care, broken back pose is literally "aim forward, but forward is up and don't affect legs, btw"

so, a blend of "aim to the sky with affected bones" with "be prone with unaffected ones"

[dusty spoke]

actually... ok ... that makes sense now.... the blendAnims dont move the bones - they dictate which bones should move with the assumption the whole body rotates (based on that reference pose)

so in essence this means that the entire character is rotated but the engine dictates which bones not to rotate 😂

that explains it now

welp this means i cant do what i intended to do - eh no big deal

yeah i can work with this now - thanks for the help!

first time for everything lol - pose-based aim offsets and animation-time based aim offsets were what i learned on

[desert raven]

thats cool

I have a marine model I've been occasionally working on to figure out all the armor internals and what shaped body would actually work in there

[dusty spoke]

ah, love that type of stuff - always wanted to make "plausible marines" myself - now i've finally gotten to it i suppose

[desert raven]

😄 I've gone through a few versions of body shape already. Its getting pretty good now with arms reaching far enough to actually do stuff.

[night dune]

Hi, can anyone help me with an animation?

The animation is not displayed but I have it defined in the config although I don't know if it will be correct

[night dune]

?

[night dune]

@desert raven

[desert raven]

I think you deload config is wrong.

but no need to ping me. I answer when I see questions and know answers

[night dune]

so?

Look at the original it's like this

What I did was change the animation but it is not displayed, I know that the model cfg is not because it does not connect to the pivot

and I'm using this config as a reference to try to learn

any ideas?

[night dune]

srry

[mild wolf]

Put this in the same location as your .rtm (put them in a different folder)

[night dune]

what does that do?

or rather how should I structure it?

[mild wolf]

You don't change anything in there, just a default skeleton model.cfg for animations to work

[night dune]

Any type? or only for pivots

Can't I just use the base game now?

[mild wolf]

I like to have these separate to config.cpp but same way. You can use the ones i used for Cytech as references

[night dune]

If I don't want to do the work

[mild wolf]

The samples are just there to show you how it works, you can't preuse them

[night dune]

rtm files

And for the model cfg that you sent me, do I have to import it into an animation already made? in Blender

I have one already done here, could I import the model cfg file that passed?

[mild wolf]

You don't need the rig informations for weapon animation

[night dune]

You already killed me xd

[mild wolf]

Bunch of weapon related things here https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Weapon_Config_Guidelines as well as this playlist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyXbwzvfVog&list=PLW_2sDEfasH1FfrJgHpyUviFuC15CP_Ih

These in config.cpp

reloadAction = "Cytech_Nailgun_reload"; //this is the name from class CfgMovesBasic -> class ManActions -> Cytech_Nailgun_reload = "Cytech_Nailgun_reload";
handAnim[] = {"OFP2_ManSkeleton","\Cytech\Cytech_Gamemode_Assets\Cytech_Weaponry\Cytech_Weapons\Cytech_Anims\handAnim_Nailgun.rtm"};

[night dune]

Wow

The problem is that the guides are not that complete and it becomes a bit tedious.

Are these just for character animation meaning movement?

does that go in config.cpp?

The difference is that I change the path of the files for the animation that I have done manually?

[mild wolf]

Weapon animations yes

You can put them in config.cpp if you want, don't need .hpp files

[night dune]

and what is each line of this for?

[mild wolf]

All you need/want to know is in the youtube play-list sent above, recommend watching while learning, I'm heading offline

[night dune]

ok

[night dune]

Although the config part is not explained or in this case it is model cfg

[static kayak]

Does anyone have any tips for posing hands? I've been rotating on normal and avoid translating and I'm still uhhhh breaking a lot of fingers. I figure it'll get better with practice but I'd love exercises or stuff to Get Good

[dusty spoke]

Is the normal/local axis not oriented straight in your control rig? Cause thats the correct way to do it given that the axies are indeed accurate

[static kayak]

They are, I'm just not very good at, like, knowing how much to move them. Is the answer just "practice more"?

[dusty spoke]

well... you shouldnt really be "moving" finger bones per se - you should only be rotating them, and rotating them only on the axis that points dowards so that positive rotation bends the finger straight down

[desert raven]

the basic community rig has the fingers floating

which makes them bit more difficult to work with

[dusty spoke]

oh... that... explains it

.... why? 😂

[desert raven]

I've set up mine with connecting bones to keep them in line

[dusty spoke]

i have a feeling a new community rig needs to be made lmao

i've not looked at it myself but now im curious

[desert raven]

It probably just worked for the makers purposes as is

Macser isnt here now I think so cant ask him

have not seen him for a while now come to think of it

[dusty spoke]

RIP

[static kayak]

... I see. Yeah that makes sense why I'm not great with them yet lol

[desert raven]

the original rig was made for OFP I think 😄

[dusty spoke]

yeah its not your fault if the fingers are floating that's just bizzare design

sounds like a nightmare

im sure there was some issue he ran into and that's why he did it but still i cant actually imagine what

[static kayak]

The way to fix it your way is just add a new bone between between the hand and each finger start?

[dusty spoke]

if its a non-exported control bone - yes; but not a deform bone - adding deform bones in the middle of a hierarchy that's being used already is a big no no

[desert raven]

@ in the name excludes them from export

[dusty spoke]

yeah doing that should be fine

[desert raven]

has worked for me for about 10 years 😅

[static kayak]

I shall try that. Working on making a bolt action chambering for my needle shooting nerf gun

(the texture is obviously not final)

[dusty spoke]

i usually have an entirely separate rig for deformation vs for controls (either a different rig or a different armature layer) - depends on your workflow both ways are valid

[desert raven]

it can help to put to togehter some real life mocup shape to grab it with your own hands

and see how that looks like

[static kayak]

🙂

[desert raven]

fingers have very limited range of motion

[static kayak]

(also for sound design, of course)

[desert raven]

so as small movements as you can have are usually most natural

since this is game environment you may sometimes need to bend the realism a bit to achieve nice look

[static kayak]

Yeah

Hilariously, the animation will also work for a reasonable project such as a vp9

[dusty spoke]

aye for that reason its usually okay to disjoint things - it's done all the time in viewmodels (arma is different i suppose cause the same arms are used for first person and third person but in a constrained area like the handle of a gun you can hide imperfections)

heck the thumb in one of the vanilla pistols rotates around its axis in one of the animations, even though it physically isnt possible

[desert raven]

even with the connected non exporting bones it can be done

[dusty spoke]

Also remember to use the individual origins transform mode with as many finger bones selected as you want, makes it much quicker to curl and make fists @static kayak

[static kayak]

Oh nice

Yeah good idea

Also keeps me from doing uneven

[rich pulsar]

I've been looking all over the discord but haven't found anything concrete, has anyone here managed to get the zeroing animation source working on a vehicle's turret mounted cannon?

[desert raven]

it dont work

[rich pulsar]

at all?

[desert raven]

nope

[rich pulsar]

I could swear I've seen mods where the cannon raises or lowers with the ranging

[desert raven]

maybe scripts 🤔

[rich pulsar]

sigh great, more scripting

[desert raven]

would be cool to have though. sorry to be the bad news bear

[rich pulsar]

no worries I still appreciate it, much better than spending hours trying to make it work

[desert raven]

been there

[rich pulsar]

yeah I saw, you were basically the only source I could find on it in this discord, secretly hoped you had figured it out by now

[desert raven]

I wanted to use it for fancy 2 barrel convergence zeroing

but no

[rich pulsar]

Yep, that was exactly my plan as well

[desert raven]

xD

[rich pulsar]

Well, for 4 barrel convergence actually

But still xD

[desert raven]

well sure yeah I had 2 barrels on both sides

so 4 total

but got to do more fancy system for that

with the power of math

[rich pulsar]

Yep

I saw one interesting vid on the forums where someone added a userAction for ranging, so might just go with something like that

[desert raven]

yeh that can work

though AI wont understand that

so for AI there may be need for extra considerations

but its basically something that triggers the same convergence for AI when necessary

[rich pulsar]

yeah I'll look into how AI behaves with it once I get it working for players

[desert raven]

🙏

[rich pulsar]

I think I actually found a possible nice alternative.
With a user source for the anim, I'll just use addUserActionEventHandler and call a script to animate it when the player uses the zeroingUp or zeroingDown action when in my specific vehicle.

[desert raven]

yep that sounds like it could work! 👍

[rich pulsar]

I'll let you know if it works out, in case you wanna try it on your gun again as well 🫡

[fast canopy]

It's more of a sanity check or workthought. I know weapon switching anim behaves like a gesture (in this context, animation over animation) so they can walk while playing switch animation. Can we do similar using switchMove (the latest syntax)? Mainly I'm looking to play an animation only for upper body

(I tried some tests of course, but I am not sure it's working or not)

[desert raven]

is the animation configured as gesture?

[fast canopy]

No, switch anim is CfgMovesMaleSdr

I tried both attempts for my Mod. Will try again and share maybe later

[desert raven]

I dont think those layer 🤔

[fast canopy]

Leopard did some update while he was there, but main question might be I am just not 100% sure what it would do

I just recalled there is a command to get animation status as a whole, so I'll try to see what's happening, if it is even possible

[desert raven]

animationState

but thats the thing

theres only 1 animation state as far as I remember

and then gesture layer on top of that

[fast canopy]

Not only that, Leo added more command

[desert raven]

@cerulean pivot what did ya dooooo

reveeeal youuur seeecreeeets

[fast canopy]

Ultimately, my goal is having proper aim animation in upper body, while reusing lower body walk anim

[cerulean pivot]

Yes, just use the "weaponSwitching" mask for your anim (or define your own mask that only affects the upper body)
Then use the new switchGesture command (the one that takes arrays)
If you use switchMove it will affect the whole body and won't use the mask

[cerulean pivot]

Nothing, I just exposed an engine feature that was used for weapon switching to make it work for all anims 😅 (anim states and gesture states are essentially the same thing in the engine so using anim states as gesture works as long as they have a valid mask)
Well it did need some small tweaks to work tho but they were just related to idles

[grizzled blaze]

Should be added to the wiki

[fast canopy]

Hmm, I wonder if that actually works with connectTo connection so "AmovPercMstpSrasWrflDnon_AmovPercMstpSrasWpstDnon" to "AmovPercMstpSrasWrflDnon_AmovPercMstpSrasWpstDnon_end" automatically?

[desert raven]

@somber aurora

[somber aurora]

I do not know what to write where! 😄 what is the intel

[grizzled blaze]

apparently there's a new command called switchGesture?
and is not in the wiki?
or at least i wasnt able to find it by searching it

[fast canopy]

It is

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/switchGesture

It is not even a new command

[grizzled blaze]

i thought he said new command

u-u

weird when i looked it up earlier it just gave me empty page, probably had a typo

[fast canopy]

BIKI or rather MediaWiki is case sensitive

[cerulean pivot]

It probably can work but it won't look as clean

[fast canopy]

Hm, so EventHandler that is

[plain knot]

does anyone know the best way to import armarig into cascadeur?

[fast canopy]

You don't. ArmaRig for Blender is not for Cascadeur because ArmaRig is for Blender

[plain knot]

is there a version for cascedeur?

[fast canopy]

I made one

[plain knot]

could I please use it

[fast canopy]

https://polpox.cyber-ninja.jp/articles/arma3mods/armarigCascadeur/
Criminally outdated

[plain knot]

thank you

What's the process of importing it back into arma?

[fast canopy]

FBX -> Blender -> RTM -> Arma

Cascadeur does not need a Controller bones (more like just don't) so this is the only thing you need to prepare in Blender

[plain knot]

alright

how do i import custom weapons?

[fast canopy]

https://cascadeur.com/help/rig/advanced_rigging/adding_objects/adding_props

Woah what a broken embed...

[plain knot]

thank you

would this work?

[fast canopy]

?

What am I supposed to understand from these pictures

[plain knot]

it said i needed to rig it in blender before i import it, would this work?

[fast canopy]

It says you don't

[plain knot]

"The most ‘basic’ kind of a prop would be a simple mesh object without any Joints associated with it. A prop like this can’t be integrated into the character’s skeleton, and it won’t affect the way the character moves (because it has no mass), but it can still be attached to one of the character Joints, and move along with it."

I don't know if i'm misreading it

[fast canopy]

It literally says the props has no bone but attached to Cascadeur rig will work

[plain knot]

okay, my only concern is that it says that it won't have mass

[fast canopy]

It is not something you do in Blender but in Csacadeur

[plain knot]

okay

[dusty spoke]

was anyone here successful in implementing custom gestures for non-OFP2_ManSkeleton skeletons? im having a very annoying but very straightforward issue - the interpolation is broken - the gesture animations themselves work perfectly fine, but during the begining interpolation phase the model slowly shrinks down into the ground to scale 0, and then snaps to the actual gesture animation - and then during the end interpolation it shrinks down the same way again, after which it snaps back to the original animation played before the gesture - the only "fix" i have right now is to set interpolation to 999 so it's instant, but that ofc means snapping, and that looks ugly

note that only the affected (masked) bones are shrunk, which makes sense given the nature of interpolation only affecting the bones affected by the gesture animation

another note: vanilla gestures do exhibit the same issue, for the bones are of the same name that is, on my custom skeleton - meaning that it's not an .rtm issue necessarily

• i do have a pivots mesh
• interpolation works just fine with non-gesture (so cfgMoves) states
• IK for things like legs rising on elevated ground works fine (though seemingly irrelevant)

it's unfortunately a brick wall since i've spent hours on this with no luck by now

(i did also check the configs of webknight's stuff and TIOW which i know have unique skeletons but unfortunately they have not created any custom gestures for them)

[subtle falcon]

I've made all the MFR_Dogs files public, there are a few gestures that work there: https://github.com/MoonieFR/MFR_Dogs/tree/main/MFR_Dogs/configs

I used gestures for barking

ok bad example with this video since there are no interpolations x)

[dusty spoke]

thanks! i'll take a look 😄

[dusty spoke]

hm, yeah @subtle falcon its likely that the large interpolation speed in your case is also avoiding the potential issue - since there's not much difference in how you set yours up compared to mine or vanilla :/

[quaint oyster]

anyone have a tutorial or perhaps a wiki link to creating a new skeleton? itd basically be a base game arma skeleton but small. Not really sure how to go about it.

[desert raven]

No there is nearly no information about that.

It basically requires ypu to understand how configs work to be able to trace and recreate move configs and figure out what parts work together.

And on modeling and animation side it requires you to known the required elements very well.

[quaint oyster]

That’s incredibly unfortunate, thanks much for the insight my friend

[desert raven]

theres few of us around who dabble with the stuff and pretty much everyone has had to figure out the basics on their own by studying the config and the samples

the popular definition of "new skeleton" is a bit misleading simplification as the skeleton of a character is just small part of the whole

I prefer "custom size/shape character"

all in all theres the making of the 3d model, rigging it to a animateable skeleton, creating the animation loops necessary, exporting those into RTM, creating the new character and moveset configs and putting all that together

[charred elm]

Hey, I have a problem. I want to add a new animation via mod. It should be in the Ace Medical menu. We already have a config that overwrites the normal Ace config. The animation is displayed correctly in the animation viewer, but not the button in the Ace Medical menu. We suspect that Ace uses "playMove" to play animations. I, on the other hand, can only play the animation in-game with "switchMove." So, how can I adjust my animation so that I can change it? Or is this not necessary? Or could someone give me an example of a config?

Best regards, Street

[deft night]

Have the same Problem, does someone have an example for creating an playMove compatible Animation?

[dusty spoke]

@deft night@charred elmyou need an interpolateTo path from the standard idles that leads to your custom move - interpolateFrom might work too so you dont have to retroactively add your new animation to them and instead just add the idles to your animation - but i havent tried the From variant yet since it doesnt seem to be used much if at all in vanilla ones

it not triggering might mean your path is too deep - i saw (havent confirmed) that it has a maximum depth of 3, meaning that for example starting at an idle - it can only step over three different animations to get to the one youre trying to trigger

[deft night]

so adding interpolateTo to the default Standing animation when wanting that the Animation gets played after standing should work fine?

[dusty spoke]

yep

just remember to do a += so that you don't overwrite the current interpolateTo entries

[deft night]

I think thats the problem xD

Guess I overwrote the interpolate entries there

thx for the info!

[dusty spoke]

oh yeah 😂 lmk if that works - yeah when it comes to editing config entries you have to be really careful, its very easy to overwrite and break existing stuff you're editing

[deft night]

I will 🫡

[dusty spoke]

also on a side note - i would recommend adding your custom animation as an action, so you can have different animations depending on the state of the player (standing, crouch, or prone) - cause using playMove will strictly trigger an animation regardless of the state - so if the context is standing, the prone person will end up going up to standing which may not be desired - if you add it as actions, you can dictate a specific animation that is used depending on the state so there is a more natural transition

(for example how triggering the "Gear" action plays the "open inventory" animation depending on the three "up" states - so the player doesnt stand up and then play it, instead they stay at the stance they're currently in)

[deft night]

Quick Search didnt showed up any Documentation, do you got some source? 😅

[dusty spoke]

yeah that's the great part about animations in arma - there is practically no documentation lmao - i'm planning on writing one soon myself but essentially all you have to do is go under the ManActions class and add a new entry there for your own action - then make sure that entry also exists for all of the primary classes and is assigned the correct animation based on the up stance/state

ofc all of the interpolateTo paths will have to be set up but once that's done you should be able to do a simple playActionNow command and the engine will take care of deciding which animation to use for you

it's the "correct" way of doing new animations, or rather the way that allows for most flexibiliuty - but obviously does require a bit more work

[deft night]

Oh I think I did that allready^^

class CfgMovesBasic {
    class ManActions {
      test="test";
  };        
};
```?

[dusty spoke]

yeah exactly

though you're uuh.. closing your class there prematurely

[deft night]

Thats true, wrote it fast and copy pasted the wrong lines xD Its fixed now

[dusty spoke]

all good but yep that's it, and then you open up the class Actions, then open up one of the primary subclasses listed in the main class, like RifleStand-something, and add it there but actually assign the standing version of your animation to it

[deft night]

I will give it a try, thanks alot again 🙂

[dusty spoke]

it can be daunting and convoluted to look at since there's so many, but if youre persistent you'll get used to it

lmk if you need anything else 😄

[quaint oyster]

yeah sadly, lots of time and effort goes into both learning and creating all of this

[dusty spoke]

tbf half the reason why its so difficult is because of the lackluster documentation - assuming you've got a grasp of the principles of how animation in games works - the integration process into arma 3 itself is actually quite painless if you know the steps - which again are too obscure right now which makes it seem overly complicated

[digital charm]

anyone got this issue? models are breaking when entering vehicles, no matter where, in editor, scenarios, etc.

[desert raven]

might be mods breaking something in the moves configs

[fast canopy]

AnimDataCache

[digital charm]

3denenhanced is the issue, removed it and it's fixed.

[dusty spoke]

That mod inherently cannot be the issue unless you intentionally set a unit to play a custom animation using it for that mission

[digital charm]

every single ai unit in a vehicle had a broken animation

idk

removing it fixed everything somehow

[dusty spoke]

Bizzare but ok

[digital charm]

i played the east wind and it affected the ai there too

[dusty spoke]

Yeah that makes no sense since 3den enhanced only affects 3den.... though you could have some weird bootleg version of it installed, or something... idk

[digital charm]

perhaps

[fast canopy]

Still, it is likely an AnimDataCache issue

[digital charm]

how do u fix that?

[fast canopy]

Find and delete AnimDataCache that is located in somewhere around Profile folder

[digital charm]

when i encounter the issue again with 3den i'll make sure to remember this

[shadow spade]

does anyone know this mod

[signal edge]

Drongos DYEL, you can turn off that menu in CBA settings.

[jovial hawk]

anyone knows an alternate running anims

[desert raven]

Aren't any.

[lethal wasp]

I'm having some trouble with a static hand animation i made (holding a gun). When i build it from the P drive is turns all spaghetti 😂 but when i build it from any other location it works fine. I think the issue is the model.cfg file that is accompanying my rtm file.

Does anyone here have a model.cfg file that i can look at for reference to see how it ties in with the rtm?

[desert raven]

It should be the man modelcfg you can find in the sample character.

And pack with pboproject

[lethal wasp]

aye, thats the one i have been using. But do i add a class for the rtm file like i do for p3d's or how does that work? Because if not then i am at a loss why building my mod from P breaks the rtm

[desert raven]

no

it just needs the character skeleton in it

nothing in cfgmodels

[lethal wasp]

this is the one i use which i assume is the one you mean

Well, then im at a loss for why this doesn't work ;_;

[desert raven]

do your bone names in the rig you use match the modelcfg?

like weapon - Weapon is bad

[lethal wasp]

I would say so yea. I'm using the ArmaRig from Macser.

I can load the RTM in ObjectBuilder onto the arma man from the samples and the animation looks like its supposed to. It also works in game when i don't build from P. So i dont think there is a problem with the rig.

[desert raven]

macsers rig used to have wrong W

so open up model,cfg

see if its weapom ot Weapon

and compare to the rig

weapon hand animations are only place this matters

this is the most common cause for your issue

[lethal wasp]

seems to be weapon in both rig and model.cfg

is there anything that i could have done wrong in how the P drive is setup that could affect this?

[desert raven]

its big W in rig small w in modelcfg

thats the problem

change rig to weapon and export and it likely works

[lethal wasp]

In my files its big W in both rig and config. But i tried what you suggested and changed it to be small in both rig and config, but no change

[analog magnet]

hello! Wanted to download the armarig from the forum but apparently the website is down. It said i should join this discord, so i'm here. Could You guys tell me where i could get my hands on a blender character rig for arma 3?

nevermind, found it!

[grim rover]

Is it possible to somehow import a .rtm back into the Blender rig? I seem to have accidentally deleted the .blend where I exported the .rtm from

[analog magnet]

https://github.com/4d4a5852/rtm_import

i found this addon for blender which might help You. I haven't tested it tho and it's for blender 2.80

so You might need to roll Your updates waaaay back

[grim rover]

Cheers I will check, albeit I think I can work around it

[desert raven]

Rtm will import as all frames and bones keyframed and constraints disabled but it possible to enable constraints back and add tweaks

Do remember to check you blender temp folder for automated backups of the original blend though

[strange canopy]

hi guys im trying to create a gesture to be used with a left hand

but im not finding any tutorials or documentation

[desert raven]

not finding any is kinda expected

[strange canopy]

😦

[desert raven]

if you check out any gesture config as reference it should be pretty simple

you would want to use correct mask and adjust lefthandIK parameter to define when in the animations time from 0 to 1 the left hand is free from the underlying animation

[fast canopy]

Does anybody actually got a copy or link to it? Once I take a dinner I may peek there

[young carbon]

maybe this? https://github.com/Talyataya/animExport? Date seems to somewhat conicide with whatever web archive has for for neighboring topic numbers

username seems to match whatever conversation happened under the forwarded message

[mild wolf]

Same one i use, all you need in model.cfg is to #define the .hpp(s) it gives you, the weapon movement is still .rtm but the moving parts will go in .hpp(s) (1 hpp per moving part)

[desert raven]

yes its that one

[fast canopy]

Thanks, I'll take a look whenever I can

[proud fossil]

I have an issue i can't seem to figure out. When I have the turret arms animated, the Ai can't fire from the turret properly, they'll sometimes fire one shot and then do nothing else. But when I remove the turret arm animations, the AI works properly with no problems. I have no idea why its doing this

https://youtu.be/5MJLq34RuLY

https://youtu.be/uaWbHzW-xt0

here's a pastebin for the model.cfg with just the turret animations. just removing the turret arm rotations make the ai fire normally.

https://pastebin.com/6rh4Mx3c

[proud fossil]

and here's the config for the left turret

https://pastebin.com/7NL13h1Q

[desert raven]

is the turret initially modeled pointing forward

the AI aiming might not be able to hanlde multi jointed aiming 🤔

[proud fossil]

yes, its modeled pointing forward. same direction the falcon is facing.
I was thinking the ai couldn't handle it, but was hoping that wasn't the case.
If there is no fix, i'll probably just end up making two different p3d's, one where the ai can shoot so player can fly with ai operating the turret and one with the turret animations for players, who can still use it fine. works pretty good.

https://youtu.be/yS4IguanYBM

[woeful pelican]

that's very strange as to my knowledge the only thing the AI care about is the muzzle memorypoints

unless for wahtever reason the AI thinks its turned the turret to face the target but the memorypoint isnt lined up

or something

might be a waste of time but one thing that might be worth trying is changing the source name to be different from the animation name

ie. leave

class SideTurretL
class SideGunL: SideTurretL

as is but change
source = "SideTurretL";

also I wasn't even aware of these:

                turretAxis="sideturret1_axis";
                gunAxis="sidegun1_axis";

feels like some OFP leftover

[proud fossil]

that didn't work, but i was able to get it working by using translation animations instead of rotation for the turret. a little rough but stills needs a few more animations to get it looking nice

https://youtu.be/Z-qDIVNZrMg

[desert raven]

you could probably set up the turret as simple 2 axis way and have the arm movement animated separately

sort of like IK

id do that in blender and export out as model.cfg frames to be honest

[proud fossil]

oh, i sort of did that i think. I separated the turret bone from the arm bones and just translated the turret bone to move along two different axis points for going right or left. arm bones are just using the rotation anims.

[craggy dagger]

guys anyone can help me learn keyframe animation with a camera? i would like to do some cinematics or filmmaking on arma 3

[digital charm]

trying to setup an animation where player works on a laptop standing, in Contact DLC the player moves "smoothly" towards the position that's front of the laptop then animation happens.

trying to achieve this effect without setPos, any help would be appreciated.

        player switchMove ["Acts_Accessing_Computer_in", 0, 0, false];
        player playMove "Acts_Accessing_Computer_loop";
        sleep 5;
        player switchMove ["Acts_Accessing_Computer_Out_Short", 0, 0, false];

[fast canopy]

Bunch of setPos and setDir shall do

[hard trellis]

You can try the keyframe system as well

[ornate lintel]

im trying to make my own reload animations and i just started to learn but i cant download the arma rig mascer made because forums are down right now can anyone who has it send it to me please?

[desert raven]

if you plop in macser arma rig on google other sources should plop up

[ornate lintel]

i did but only a arma rig for arma 2 popped up and im trying to use it right now

[desert raven]

find the one on moddb

[digital charm]

_targetPos = getPosATL player_pos;
_startPos = getPosATL player;

_x = _startPos select 0;
_y = _startPos select 1;
_z = _startPos select 2;

_x1 = _targetPos select 0;
_y1 = _targetPos select 1;
_z1 = _targetPos select 2;

_step = 0.01; // smaller = slower & smoother
_done = false;

while {!_done} do {
    if (abs(_x - _x1) < _step && abs(_y - _y1) < _step) then {
        _done = true;
        player setPosATL [_x1, _y1, _z1];
    } else {
        if (_x < _x1) then { _x = _x + _step; } else { _x = _x - _step; };
        if (_y < _y1) then { _y = _y + _step; } else { _y = _y - _step; };
        player setPosATL [_x, _y, _z];
        sleep 0.01;
    };
};

player switchMove ["Acts_Accessing_Computer_in", 0, 0, false];
player playMove "Acts_Accessing_Computer_loop";

came up with this code with the help of GPT, problem is the animation requires the player to be near the laptop and the player sometimes glitches because its colliding with the table, got any ideas?

[fast canopy]

private _startPos = getPosWorld player;
private _targetPos = getPosWorld player_pos;
for "_i" from 0 to 1 step 0.01 do {
  vectorLinearConversion [
    0,1,_i,
    _startPos,_targetPos,true
  ];
  sleep 0.01;
};```Not tested

[digital charm]

player does move smoothly but goes up in the air.

[fast canopy]

I appatently forgot setPosWorld in my code. Not sure what you mean

[digital charm]

nevermind, it works perfectly, is there a case for direction as well? or must i use setDir

[fast canopy]

Same thing. linearConversion and setDir

[young carbon]

inb4 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setVelocityTransformation

[paper rapids]

Hi, i have this vehicule. https://youtu.be/UV4Sww0yC9s?si=kNK62wk0dWd4FWl2 but i need the name of animations when the mast is deploy. because i want my crew can generate misions using execVM 'zdz_socom\System\MISSION\mission_activate.sqf

the addactions only can show up when the mast it´s deploy!

[knotty cosmos]

Is anyone able to teach me how to make animations for arma? All i have is the model but i dont know how to animate it.

its the tripod

[desert raven]

theres model.cfg wiki pages that you can check out

and various samples in arma3 samples on steam

[knotty cosmos]

i'll try my best

[desert raven]

start from something simple

[knotty cosmos]

also should i put memory points?

like for guns

wheels

and etc

[desert raven]

those are needed for varioust things yes

[knotty cosmos]

okay

[desert raven]

but start from simpler

like just a box

with a lid

diving into something complex is not good

[knotty cosmos]

my main goal is to make this for arma 3 players. alot of players been wanting this vehicle for a long time

[desert raven]

extreme deep dark end of doing things

[knotty cosmos]

meaning that its complexed?

[desert raven]

very

[knotty cosmos]

...

push it to the limit

i can do it

it will take a long time

[desert raven]

just start simple

[knotty cosmos]

okay

[knotty cosmos]

i have a question

so my idea is to make the head move

but

the walking animation

[desert raven]

ok so since you are trying to jump waaay ahead

😛

[knotty cosmos]

just listen

[desert raven]

do you want to make it a vehicle or a character

[knotty cosmos]

vehicle

[desert raven]

then you can make different parts animated separately

and the head a turret for example

[knotty cosmos]

will it work if i make the walking animation in blender

like the start up animation

then after a couple seconds then i can do a constant walking

[desert raven]

well there is a model.cfg animation exporter

but

[knotty cosmos]

once your done walking the tripod will have a stopping animation

[desert raven]

you really really need to get the basics down first 😅

[knotty cosmos]

i know

i was just wondering if there is a way to do that

[desert raven]

knowing the basics and then learning more advanced techniques will give you the answers

[knotty cosmos]

okay

[desert raven]

And you might not really believe me on this

but you are not the first one I guide on to take the basics

especially with "walking" things. Theres a lot you need to understand about how vehicles work to be able to pull this off

[thin temple]

For a very experienced Arma modder with 10 years experience, what you want to do would be incredibly difficult and almost no one has managed it successfully, with the exception of a few people including HG.
For a person new to modding, it will be close to impossible.
Not saying that to put you off trying, but just helping describe the scale of the mountain ahead of you.

[ocean tinsel]

Hello, I am wondering how to get player hand anim to change depending on if a bipod/grip is selected? I noticed RHS does it with their pods, would like to not have floating hands on our EF88's when there's no pod attached

[desert raven]

They use trickery to change different weapons that use different animation I recall

[bold ember]

what is the directory for the default pistol handamin?

[red jetty]

help! i tried to make a shotgun idle & reload animation and have accidentally created SIREN HEAD.

WTH IS HAPPENING.

[fast canopy]

How do you export your RTM

[red jetty]

Blender using these settings wait one

also ignore the fact that thats a browning A5 and the RTM is for an ithaca i was just testing it on that i havent done the rest of the config for the ithaca yet

[fast canopy]

That is not the tool I use 🤔

How does it look in OB?

[red jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[red jetty]

so dumbass N00b question but how am i meant to view in object builder like im trying to import the animation from Matrices like depicted in this video but im getting nada

https://youtu.be/1QieoJjV0qc?feature=shared&t=605

[fast canopy]

How nada it is

[red jetty]

wait one

i right click on this little box and im getting nothing no list nothing its like its not even registering that ive right clicked there

meanwhile in that video

[fast canopy]

You really sure your RTM is at least exported and has some data?

[fast canopy]

I don't know how that particular RTM exporter works but

This is either not exported well or binarized RTM which you can't import into OB

[red jetty]

yeah but wouldnt i still be able to like pick and choose from the list

because thats what im not getting

is the option

[fast canopy]

That is not what OB asks, both unbin'd or bin'd RTM are RTM

Okay anyways... I think I thought of one theory

Is your armature in Blender scaled (aka not 1,1,1)?

[red jetty]

looks to be that way yeah

[fast canopy]

No, that is not the point

That particular armature object, not a particular bone or any reference object

[red jetty]

again noob question theres a difference? i thought the armature was the bones aka its just like nomenclature its a different name for it or an alternative name for a "rig"/"skeleton"

[fast canopy]

Latter would be more accurate to tell

The orange-highlighted is the armature object which I ask for

Object Mode to select it

[red jetty]

ah copy thanks

im not seeing that in my version of the arma rig?

im in V6_4

tbf yours looks way different to mine come to mention it

[fast canopy]

No idea what Rig you use but you have these lines you can select

That is just preference/how it is visualized

[red jetty]

tbh neither do i i dont even remember where i got this from it might of been like PMC.org or some shit i cant remember

so this?

[fast canopy]

Yep that is what I ask

And they are not scaled 1,1,1

Sorry I misread

[red jetty]

do you have the rig that you use? im thinking i saw a pinned PDF document here im going to try and follow that instead

[fast canopy]

No, that is just my setup that is not supposed to be work with Blender but for Cascadeur

[red jetty]

ah ok completely different software fair enough

[fast canopy]

And built on Blender, so that is not a big deal

[red jetty]

either way you mentioned that this was not the method youve seen before or done? what is the typical way that youve done it. like im not asking for a full tutorial lawd knows nobody got time for that just literally the programs and like step 1 2 3 thats it the rest i can figure out

[fast canopy]

I use ArmaToolBox, but that doesn't matter if your tool is actually made right

Which I imply, I would just take a rest tonight and wait for others who understands the tool

[red jetty]

fair thanks for the help anyways amigo also love your work on the workshop big fan! ❤️

[wicked rain]

anyone have any idea why my bipod animation works (mostly) in O2 but is completely off in game? Other animations work well and the model is being binarised properly each time with Mikero's

[cyan nimbus]

Hey folks, first time here dealing with a reloading anim i made. I exported the RTM (total of 18 frames) and configured the gestures and moves, but for some reason the hands are not moving in game, there is only movement of the biceps and of the gun, everything else its not animating. Have i done something wrong in the config cpp or in the export of the animation from blender?

[cyan nimbus]

Can you relate on this? Im dont think what you have is related to the config (hasBipod?), maybe its a model cfg issue?

[cyan nimbus]

maybe i know, the clipFrames option was on when exporting from blender, maybe that's why

[wicked rain]

the only major difference I see is that my max value is 1 instead of 0.5

otherwise code is pretty much identical, and bones are setup the same way

[cyan nimbus]

Added anything on the config side?

Or perhaps

Where is the bipod mempoint in the memory lod

[wicked rain]

this is where the axis mempoints are, do I also need mempoints for the legs too?

just noticed one point isn't visible in the front screenshot, it is there just obscured behind the model

[cyan nimbus]

do you have a single "bipod" memory point immediately under the bipod legs in the mem lod?

if not, try to add it

then check hasBipod=1 in the config

then you can crunch

[cyan nimbus]

ofc issue still there, no matter what

[wicked rain]

added the config line, where do I put the mem point? In between and below the two legs?

[cyan nimbus]

single mem point centered between the bipod legs, positioned under them

[wicked rain]

ok cool

will try that now

[cyan nimbus]

you can tweak its height afterwards if you notice the player sinking into the ground or floating above the ground

[wicked rain]

booting up the game now, hopefully it works

this bipod has been the bane of my existence for the last day or so

[cyan nimbus]

np, that will be 5.99 $

[wicked rain]

no payment till I see the results

[cyan nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/пригожин-gif-2730111336305269567

[wicked rain]

no payment for you

I'm also getting a no entry .model error now

can't decide if it's for the gun or the mag tho

[cyan nimbus]

i guess the mag

[wicked rain]

yeah seems it

[cyan nimbus]

you do have any autocenter property in the p3d?

[wicked rain]

not sure

[cyan nimbus]

im not sure if you need it, but i got autocenter 0 in the geolod of the gun

[wicked rain]

I don't have a geolod yet

[cyan nimbus]

i see, that's everything i have in my guns

not sure why yours seems cursed bipod wise

[wicked rain]

it's really irritating as it's basically the only thing left to do

[cyan nimbus]

deployedPivot="bipod";

[wicked rain]

all the other errors I have to iron out I know how to fix and are pretty easy

[cyan nimbus]

in the config

i forgot

check if you have it too

[wicked rain]

oh I'll add that now

already have it

[cyan nimbus]

mm no clue then

[wicked rain]

it seems like it's going to the weapon origin point when rotating to me, as it budges back to near the 0,0 coord. Is that something that could happen, and if so what could I do about it?

[red jetty]

Figured out what the issue was a missing menu window.

[cyan nimbus]

try adding the autocenter 0 after you make a geo lod, maybe that's why

[wicked rain]

where do I actually add that?

[desert raven]

you need all the basic parts of a model to test it properly

missing this and the mentioned autocenter are the problem

[wicked rain]

I've made a geolod now, how do I apply the autocentre?

[desert raven]

named properties panel can be toggled here

you can compare with the sample weapon too

[wicked rain]

yeah that was it, thankyou

I've been tearing my hair out over this

[cyan nimbus]

Is there a way to select all key frames at once and add them all at once into the RTM keyframes window? Ofc im using the alwarren blender addon

160 keyframes to add one by one doesnt sound clever

[fast canopy]

This

[cyan nimbus]

maybe i still have an old version? i don't see that window

[fast canopy]

Probably

[cyan nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-paulie-walnuts-gualtieri-betrayal-how-much-more-betrayal-gif-16615173

[desert raven]

yeah version mismatch usually is reason for that dialog to not be there

[cyan nimbus]

alright, will update it later, gonna add the last half one by one, i guess "dedikation"

[bold ember]

Anyone know it?

[marsh talon]

Is it possible to make a Animation of a Bending Bow ?

[quiet imp]

Probably... if you make the 'arms' of the bow out of 10 different sections where each section rotates a little bit with the 'reload' animation source

[keen parrot]

once i shoot someone's arms weapon flies like this anyone knows why?

[desert raven]

some modded thingy probably breaking it

[keen parrot]

i make the weapons and handanims for them also ACRE2 animations are broken aswell

i need help really

[desert raven]

its not really common problem you have there so no immediate solution

most likely you got some mod that forces some animation stuff or alters configs in way that breaks the weapon dropping

you could try testing with all extra mods disabled

[keen parrot]

its my weapon mod causing this thing its 100% i tried other weapons and they r fine

[desert raven]

perhaps you break the animation class inheritance 🤔

or alter it

[keen parrot]

i deleted trigger cus i didnt want any trigger rotation while firing its prolly because of that