arma3_model

[woeful sluice]

I just don't know about UAV and how to turn it into a game.

3D model

[prisma mulch]

Ah yeah so then for fire geometry you can break it up like Tklama showed and make the shapes around the hatch.

[cedar jacinth]

Yeah did not get the idea of breaking them up 😄

[south badge]

Don´t worry, it took me way longer to understand it when I was at this point for the first time

[sour bough]

Is there a particular "trick" to getting stadiametric range finders to work in scopes?

[stuck oyster]

youll need to learn about 3d modeling to be able to make all the game needed changes

[stuck oyster]

guesswork Im afraid

[woeful sluice]

So is there anyone who can do 3D modeling for us?

[stuck oyster]

you can try #creators_recruiting Id suppose

[sour bough]

horrifying lmao

time to just use that vanilla one lmao

[stuck oyster]

I guess with real scope reticle you might get close. but I dont thing the optics and viewmodel is real enough to be 1:1

[sour bough]

I'm Pretty sure 6x zoom isn't actual 6x zoom anyway because fov

So the math may work differently

[cedar jacinth]

This is my hull now. i have 44 components assigned. now my question: Some of the components are overlapping - is this a big deal??
I would assume yes since it might add double the armor value?

[stuck oyster]

yeah the component shapes should not overlap

that can cause problems

[cedar jacinth]

damn..... have not yet figured out how to seemlessly combine them :/

[stuck oyster]

in stuff like buildings its not as important since there no much special hitpoints or crew

[stuck oyster]

cut them?

[cedar jacinth]

cut? never heard about that

[cedar jacinth]

yeah that is what i was looking for.. its just called "cut" yes?

[stuck oyster]

no

😅

knife tool might work depending on the surface angles

[cedar jacinth]

😄 well im asking since ill have to watch a video about it ^^

[stuck oyster]

or you can slide the corner vertex along the edge

theres no specific name for this Id guess

its just modeling and the same result can be achieved with many tools

[cedar jacinth]

That will then break the extrusion i made, that is bad :/

[stuck oyster]

all depends on the shapes you got I suppose

[elfin bone]

It's going to be a container

(Desolation Mod)

aka DayZero

[tough surge]

hello, any1 know why these specific faces are "brighter" than the others?

[stuck oyster]

could be separated part

or backside and frontsides

or different assigned material

[marsh canyon]

Or misaligned Normal

[tough surge]

how can i unseparate the parts?

maybe its this

that*

they have no material

or basically no material modifications i believe i have not touched materials in blender ever

[stuck oyster]

merge vertices

[tough surge]

the backsides are all correct

and i have merged vertices

[tough surge]

i mean as in

backface culling is correct

i used face orientations to know which normals

should be outside or inside

could it be the separation part but as in face separation?

[marsh canyon]

Face orientation does not equal to normal

[tough surge]

you can separate them by pressing Y i believe its Y

[tough surge]

oh

how could I fix the orientation?

[marsh canyon]

Alt+N and recalculate

[tough surge]

i thought normals did that

my bad

[tough surge]

but that just brings up the same

recalculate normals stuff

i already did it

Alt + N = recalculate inside/outside

and it does the same

[marsh canyon]

Then something else is doing it

[tough surge]

hmmm

i mergeded vertices already

merged*

they have no material modifications

the normals are fine

[marsh canyon]

Please don't spam Enter so frequently but write in longer post. Also you have a way to edit your post, no need to correct in a post

[tough surge]

oh I'm sorry, my bad I will not flood the channel from now on

[visual thicket]

Maybe no shadow at all will be ok

[tough surge]

anyone that may have a solution? normals are correct, vertices have been merged, and no material stuff has been modified

[south badge]

That´s just because of shading

[polar fiber]

Yeah it's just because you have hard edges

[woeful sluice]

Can anyone make the 3D ready model suitable for Arma 3

pls tags me

[stuck oyster]

This is not a request channel. I belive I pointed you to the right channel

[mystic glade]

is arma3objectbuilder the current proper alternative to armatoolbox? i noticed the updates on the former are more frequent + armatoolbox threw up an error about an import module when i tried using it on the current version of blender. (i'll be looking into this later, but was curious)

[stuck oyster]

what did you try to import?

both work

so probably issue in what you tried to do

[mystic glade]

ah i meant this

when i point blender towards the zip file of the addon

arma3objectbuilder imported just fine, so yeah

[stuck oyster]

you may have had wrong version of the armatoolbox

or the zip you had contained double folders

which happens if you download it from the main code instead of release

you can use either though thats fine

they have some differences so if you come up with problems remember to say which addon you use

[mystic glade]

oh yeah i double checked that, i made sure to not download it as a "zip" from the main repo and instead from the releases aka this

i'm fine with the alternative working (just more familiar with armatoolbox) but yeah

[stuck oyster]

its also possible its not yet updated to latest blender too

[mystic glade]

yeah that's my likely thought at the moment

[plucky depot]

Afaik yes

[tough surge]

It doesn't matter?

Basically it wouldn't like affect the final product

[south badge]

It doesnt matter at this stage

You'll deal with shading during the uv unwrap

[prisma mulch]

Just to check, are those faces are extruded out of the model slightly?

[tough surge]

its like a face ontop of a face

something along those lines i think

[hazy shell]

Hi, So im having a problem when packing my mod when it reaches the P3D it throws an error ModelInfo.MemSphere is not a float, im not sure where its pulling this from

[bold flare]

Your mikeros tools might be outdated

[hazy shell]

dam

I'll see if updating them soloves the problem

[woven solstice]

Is there a step by step guide to using the arma3 tools stuff?
My models are almost done

[stuck oyster]

not exact step by step tutorials.
But you can likely get some ideas from some of the youtube tutorials like ones from El Tyranos and Sokolonko and Battlestad

[woven solstice]

Thank ya kindly I'll watch those through and through

[vital hare]

I've tried several times to make it invisible with an empty texture but it doesn't work, it's never really invisible.

[stuck oyster]

[quick widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786394721174028288/1330223929154863184/image.png?ex=678d3313&is=678be193&hm=21ac18a3cb69ee88faa427ed01cb43abcf6d7c10657998d9b49b3450bb537108&

Has anyone made a mod restoring this thing? Because it's very neat and I want it.

I have no idea where it is from. Some friends say it's from some mobile RTS Bohemia did.

[stuck oyster]

cant say ive ever seen any

the game models cant be edited anyway so completely new one would need to be made

[quick widget]

"ArmA mobile ops"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786394721174028288/1330227181326041158/1000.png?ex=678d361a&is=678be49a&hm=3811f5fa27e952ba6aa5071f4e9ee8a7826d6881b16bef9c83f837110b986f69&

I can only imagine this model was built off some kind of long forgotten cut content. I believe this model got added years ago with Malden.

Well if anyone in Bohemia has any long dormant memories sparked back to consciousness by this query, GIMME. (Please. It's neat.)

[pale valley]

Looking at doing my first character - could somebody give me a quick synopsis, how do I make it match the bones - If I make a character and match his pose to the one in the the examples folder, as long as everything is named correctly, would everything be tied to the bones correctly?

[halcyon rampart]

Hello there does anybody that know vehicle and PhysX know why a custom vehicle would not slow down slowly when letting go of your controls, i have a vehicle ive been working on and from what ive found my config and PhysX should be fine but my vehicle sharp turns and maintains its speed, my theory is its not pulling my PhysX info.

[stuck oyster]

tank or car?
have you given it mass in geometry lod?
Have you used the sample vehicles as base reference?

[halcyon rampart]

Tank
Yes i gave it a mass of 41000
Yes i used test tank sample

[stuck oyster]

is it actual tank or something else using tank simulation/not shaped like a tank

[halcyon rampart]

It's a deimos predator tank using the test tank physX/model config

[stuck oyster]

k actual tank then.

[halcyon rampart]

Yes my issue is the idle decrease in speed

[stuck oyster]

can you brake/reverse with it?

[halcyon rampart]

Yes i can do all movement forwards backwards, brake and turning

[halcyon rampart]

@stuck oyster if your free in half a hour I can show you in VC

[stuck oyster]

sorry I got some stuff to do, I'll let you know if I have any tips I can come up with.
Your answers here might give others ideas too.

What you could try is to make your physX settings and the geometry mass of your tank the same the sample tank has

but if you have different amount of wheels youll need to take that into account

[halcyon rampart]

Gotcha as for my wheels I have 5 and 1 track per a side, my animations are fine, my theory is my physX isn't being pulled but I'm unsure about this

[stuck oyster]

the sample tank does have different number of wheels I believe so that does need mathing to adjust the values

of course sure you could have other problems with the config too that causes your wanted values to not apply

but usually that manifests pretty strongly

[halcyon rampart]

Gotcha

[reef gate]

Are there any good tutorials on how to get a building into Arma?

Like step by step

[stuck oyster]

el tyranos might have something close to that

at least for basic steps

no guide covers every small detail you can do

[lone robin]

I’m thinking about making some trees, primarily dead or very little foliage, for my terrain and am curious as to what causes the CUP trees to essentially turn white when you’re seeing the distance LODs, I’m just trying to avoid this on my own trees

[stuck oyster]

if they are fully white that indicates missing texture

cant recall ever hearing that happening though

so maybe corrupt download?

[lone robin]

I haven’t considered that, the past few maps I’ve seen use the dead plants from CUP they are almost a glowing white at a distance

[stuck oyster]

could be file error or could be rvmat probelm

[reef gate]

I have that too, no idea what causes it

[reef gate]

What's the difference between a pathway and a roadway LOD

[pallid island]

Roadway = "Where can i stand"
Path = "Here're rails for AI to move on"

[reef gate]

can I make the path similar to the roadway or does it have to be narrow

for example I've made this for the roadway

would the path be the same or shrunk down?

[pallid island]

check the building sample for, well, sample

i assume that edges are the literal rails there

[stuck oyster]

ai basically walks on the edges yes

edges of the triangles of the path mesh

and path mesh has to face up

and roadway mesh needs to be slightly above geometry mesh

[reef gate]

How much higher? I’ve done it enough that none of the geometry mesh clips though

Also how would I make the roof?

I have made the roadway LOD for it

Do I need to make a path?

[stuck oyster]

if you want ai to walk on the roof

[reef gate]

It has ladders leading up to it

[stuck oyster]

do you want ai to path on the roof

if yes = need path lod on the roof

everywhere you want ai to be able to walk on, you need path

[reef gate]

will there be any issues with me copying the roadway LOD for the bits i want the AI to walk on

[stuck oyster]

yes

roadway mesh is nothing like path mesh

[reef gate]

in a big room would the path LOD be one big plane or would it be a path from door to door

is it like this

or this?

[sour bough]

What do the "roll" bones in the Arma man skeleton do? Like, what part of the body should that correspond to, I guess

[unkempt token]

The Arma 3 samples house has a good example of a vanilla Path LOD. It's really just a couple vertices connected by triangles. It looks rather nightmarish, but honestly it's not too bad. The pain in the butt is doing the namedSelections for pos1, pos2, etc. and the fanned geometry for entryways

For the airport structure I made for Korsac here's what the pathway LOD looks like:

[stuck oyster]

have you checked what weight groups the roll bones affect on arma man?

they handle the roll of the limb

along its own axis

like when you turn/roll your wrist your elbow dont move

[sour bough]

So they should be assigned more or less along the limb?

[stuck oyster]

as it is on the arma man

[sour bough]

I'll check mister Arma man in a sec yeah

[stuck oyster]

forearm handles the elbow

forearm roll handles the wrist basically

in that regard the community rigs are made wrong imo

since both arm/arm_roll bones overlap

instead of being after each other

the animating results are basically same

but the bone hierarchy is little bit lost

Ive made mine to keep up the hierarchy

[sour bough]

Is yours uploaded anywhere?

[stuck oyster]

no

Ive got some other stuff there too that might not work for everyones tastest 😅

edits like this are not very complex though

I also got all the bones connected via non exporting structural bones to keep them in line for rtm import

the import dont work well on non connected bones most of the time

[reef gate]

Why have i gotta make a central nervous system 😭

[unkempt token]

Real Virtuality™

[reef gate]

Do I need to make a fire geometry for the building?

[stuck oyster]

typically firegeometry might contain some smaller elements that geometry lod might not need

it can be beneficial to have it

[reef gate]

Wdym? Like do have to create a fire geometry for specific bits for the penetration to function properly?

[stuck oyster]

well yes if you want it to be accurate

depends entirley on what you want to do

for collsions (geometry lod) a wall might be one big block

[prisma mulch]

What is the reason for the entry fan shapes?

[stuck oyster]

for hit geometry you might want to have different thickness or material parts for it

[stuck oyster]

as far as I know it helps to connect with ground on uneven surfaces and heights

[unkempt token]

No idea, that's just how they did it in the vanilla models so I did as the Romans do

[white jay]

can u change the flag patch on the military fatigues in ArmA 3?
like on the MTP Combat Fatigues, it displays the american flag on the arm patches

[prisma mulch]

If I wanted a breakable window is there a reason to use hit-points over the convex section in the fire geometry?

In a building that is

[stuck oyster]

no dont think so

[prisma mulch]

Thanks

[stuck oyster]

one thing you can test is if it needs a hitpoint to get explosive damage

but that might be solved with just singular hitpoint per window

[prisma mulch]

I'll have to try that out once I've sorted out the config

[sand night]

anybody able to help lil ol me with a uniform mod for a3? Repacked it after repathing some texture stuff and it isn't working at all lmao. Any help would be appreciated

It’s just invisible in game so maybe I pathed it wrong?

[marsh canyon]

You're doing a Mod in a very wrong way. That is not how it is even supposed to be done

[stuck oyster]

yeaah you need to look up how retextures are done with hiddenselections. you dont repack mods

thats forbidden

[gleaming tusk]

what would cause a shadow lod to only show the entire shadow when another object of the same type is placed?

when the object is alone, it shows some of the shadow
when i put down another it shows every selection, even ones that are meant to be hidden

[stuck oyster]

hiddenselections mistakenly added to shadowlod

you dont hide stuff with hiddenselections

if you need variants

you make separate p3ds

if you need 100s of variants

you go see doctor

cuz thas just craycray

[gleaming tusk]

good lord ill die

good to know

[stuck oyster]

need variant p3ds applies to weapons,wearable equipment, and units/uniforms as they dont have model.cfg driven "at will" hide animations to hide the parts

[white oak]

But muh customizable m4s

[stuck oyster]

other vehicles (cars, tanks etc) can use hide animations to toggle various cosmetics

[stuck oyster]

no

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[sour bough]

USP does it and it runs fine ime

Your mileage may vary

(they use it for uniforms)

[stuck oyster]

they should not

but

the mesh is not hidden

its made fully transparent

[sour bough]

Yeah I mean, it goes against the old wisdom but it runs better than RHS

So shrug?

It's not like render time is actually a big part of Arma frame time these days

[stuck oyster]

[sour bough]

me n my pals

[stuck oyster]

variant madness is a thing

[sour bough]

kjw had to regex the several million variants yes

or like, a million

I forget the actual number

It's madness

[stuck oyster]

probably a lot though 😄 thats all that matters

it sounds great

but in the end its not really needed

[sour bough]

it's not like, a performance fuckery these days

But also, it's absolute madness to maintain

[stuck oyster]

few variants can be nice and manageable

[sour bough]

The "new" way they're doing it is letting it be configured and then letting the mixing and matching be an exercise to the aux modder

I say this as if Siege will come out of his coma and publish the update they're cooking

[stuck oyster]

theres just always the border cases such practices may cause Id suppose

which personally Id like to avoid

[sour bough]

I don't currently have a need for five hundred bajillion variants but I do have a kjw to regex it if I ever do

[pallid island]

there are over 17,750,000 different variations of weapons in Borderlands

[stuck oyster]

yeh most are totally useless too

but in that case the engine is designed for it

[sour bough]

that's also a lie lol

[white folio]

Hello, I have a problem with my car, everything works perfectly via bulldozer but once in Eden Editor my games crash here are my logs

[sour bough]

Is it car simulation

[cloud zealot]

If i want to create my own grass, i just make a resolution lod and it's ok ? How do i define how the grass will be affected by wind ? What if it's a tree ? I don't want the trunk to move

[white oak]

Yup just add the named properties to the res lod

[cloud zealot]

which named properties ?

[white oak]

class is the main one you're looking for

[cloud zealot]

oh thanks !

[stuck oyster]

grass shader rvmat

[cloud zealot]

thanks 🙂

Is it the rvmap that makes grass polygon double-sided ?

[stuck oyster]

no that needs duplicate and flipped mesh

[cloud zealot]

hmm i see, thanks !

[spring moat]

Hey Guys need help

[stuck oyster]

youll just need to ask the question, if someone knows answers they usually write back when they see it

[spring moat]

i need help understanding arma tools

bc ive got some awsome ideas for a mod but cant make sence of tools

[stuck oyster]

since you are on this channel Id assume you are looking to make 3D models?

do you already know how to do that part?

[spring moat]

not really I'm trying to make custom characters but i cant figure out how to load up a 3d editor or something and or to find templets to edit current models?

[stuck oyster]

you cant edit models

but to be able to do 3d models youll have to start from basics

choose a 3d modeling program

like Blender for example

and start learning that

forget Arma for now

those things are far easier to approach once you understand the basics of 3d modeling

and texturing and stuff like that

[spring moat]

um ok

thanks

[stuck oyster]

👍

[spring moat]

i just wish i could work with someone who could teach me im a visual learner

[stuck oyster]

there are a lot of 3d tutorial videos out there

youll just have to invest the time to learning the stuff

(and it may take some time)

but also it can be very rewarding way to create things

and when I say time, its likely going to be weeks or months even not gonna lie

people do go to school for this stuff too

but it is also learnable on your own if you keep at it

[spring moat]

ok

[stuck oyster]

repeating practise and studying the tools and tutorials is the way to get better

[plain star]

Im not sure if this falls under models or animation
Help please
Model.cfg:
class rotor_blade_1_droop
{
type="rotation";
angle0="rad -12";
angle1="rad -5";
axis="rotor_blade_1_flap_axis";
memory=1;
minValue=0;
maxValue=1;
minPhase=0;
maxPhase=1;
source="engineRPM";
sourceAddress="clamp";
selection="rotor_blade_1";
};
Config.cpp:
class AnimationSources: AnimationSources
{
class engineRPM
{
source="rpm";
minValue=0;
maxValue=1;
animPeriod=10;
initPhase=0;
};
The problem is that the moment rpm is not 0, the blade goes from -12 to -5 within a second
It should be a gradual increase

[charred bolt]

Use rpm source directly in the model.cfg with a suitable maxValue. I'm using translation to bend the Chinook blades (weighted vertices to achieve a drooped curve), but similar effect.

[plain star]

Ohhhh.... Okay, ill try that

i think my blades droop looks good even without a curved droop, but i'm not opposed to having a curved droop either. If i do add, it will a very small curve

It looks like its has a corved droop even though it doesn't

[reef gate]

do i need a physx geometry for a building or can i get away with only a geometry LOD

[stuck oyster]

geometry lod can be enough

but sometimes it can reduce physx calculation if the physX lod is done separate and in simpler manner

for example a building you cant drive into might not need the interior geometry for physX collision

grenades collided with regular geometry lod I recall 🤔

[charred bolt]

Grenades with physx. People with regular Geo.

[stuck oyster]

oh grenades were with physx then 😄 well then may not be good to simplify the inerior too much

[reef gate]

it says i need to simplify the physx compared to the geo, how would i do this?

this is my geo

[charred bolt]

Reduce the number of objects to 10. Or at least less than 30.

[reef gate]

how would i do that

for windows or doorways

[charred bolt]

How many sides does a box with no openings have?

[reef gate]

i remade the vanilla one from scratch with an interior

[charred bolt]

An example building made of 12 objects.

[reef gate]

is there a more efficient way to do this?

[stuck oyster]

what says?

[reef gate]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD

[stuck oyster]

if possible

with interiors and since those are needed for grenades it may not be possible

[reef gate]

i do wanna make it so players can throw nades through this

it added a couple of objects to work around it but i think it'll be ok

[stuck oyster]

with the pipes it may be basically impossible to get a throw through 😅

but sure you can have the openings in the geometry

something like this

[reef gate]

im gonna combine the 2 over there

[stuck oyster]

👍

[stuck oyster]

couple simple components probably wont make much difference

but it is good practice to try to be as efficient with them as you can 👍

[reef gate]

also for the ladder is it one cube or does each rung have its own collission?

[stuck oyster]

how accurate you want it to be

for collision a box is usually enough

if you want grenades go through then for physX you need all rungs separate

but that may not really be needed detail

[reef gate]

what's it like for the vanilla buildings?

[unkempt token]

In my experience, I usually ask "how likely is a grenade gonna go here for an average player" and almost always it would lead me to do no collision for something that players don't need to be able to run into cause it's more fluid feeling

I don't do separate physx LODs though so grain of salt

[stuck oyster]

its probably just a single box

cant say I remeber trying to throw through ladder

if it was a ladder in an open space then I would have it separate and accurate

if its against the wall it can be just a box

[reef gate]

I'm fully winging it but does this look right for the pathway lod?

[stuck oyster]

yes

id maybe have a connection to here

or remove the middle fully

main challenge with pathlods is that when AI is on them it ignores objects placed on there

so if you want to give people possibility to add obstacles/furniture you need to leave space

it might be good idea to have the path lod visualized in the first lod via a toggleable animation too

thats far from standard practice

but Imo would be super useful for mission making

[stuck oyster]

yeh this probably works alright

I personally have preferred to use the BIs "standard" of triangles, instead of the quads

but I'ves seen both work

[reef gate]

wdym by that

they are triangles

[reef gate]

will be there any difference to me doing it one way over the other

[reef gate]

which one is BI?

[stuck oyster]

left is their commonly used one

[reef gate]

this is what the sample path is

[stuck oyster]

ive seen both used in modded content

[reef gate]

what bits do the AI walk on?

[stuck oyster]

the edges as far as I know

as in from point to point

but its not really 100% accurate, theres some interpolation fuzziness to it too

like AI can decide 10cm off the point that its close enough

[reef gate]

would something like this work or is it too close to the edge

i wanted to have the one triangle be a position so AI can hold that corner

[stuck oyster]

if you set the end to be a nubmered "pos" selection yes AI can be ordered there

stuff like this

[reef gate]

how would i get the roof to work?

the only way up is via ladder

[stuck oyster]

AI can use ladders

for example A3 chimney (SOGPF version)

the se are the paths on different levels

the ladder memorypoints

compared to the paths

[reef gate]

oh shit

i forgot to put ladder memory points

[reef gate]

look at this absolute monstrosity

i feel like I've done something wrong

[young dust]

Welcome to Arma 3

[south badge]

The first thing he did wrong was installing the game

[reef gate]

how many positions can you have?

i have 21 so far

[stuck oyster]

many

but its not good to have them too close to each other

experiment

[reef gate]

alright

what are these weird triangles for?

they're on the sample house

[stuck oyster]

the help connect the entry "in" point to ground on sloped /uneven terrain or when building is sunken down or raised

[south badge]

Does the toolbox not preserve vertex group information when copying a proxy from one lod to another one?

pretty annoying

[stuck oyster]

if using automation then probably not

Id wager its not a direct copy but a programmatically created new one

[south badge]

In case I have a vehicle like this, with 4 launchers in a single weapon, can I somehow make the firing effects spawn at the correct tube based on which one of the four is fired?

Do I need some sort of an EH for this?

[pallid island]

inb4 moving proxies/mempoints for effects with revolving or something

[sour bough]

If it's for just the particles, you can do it with the gun config

If it's for zasleh, you can define the zasleh in the gun I think

And then in animationsources

[pallid island]

although vanilla "B_APC_Tracked_01_AA_F" does have some code in Fired EH

[sour bough]

I think I had to move the proxy and stuff for my tank with alternating guns

[marsh canyon]

fired = "[_this select 0,_this select 6,'missile_move','MissileBase'] call BIS_fnc_missileLaunchPositionFix; _this call (uinamespace getvariable 'BIS_fnc_effectFired');";```Nyx AA literally have this

[pallid island]

BIS_fnc_missileLaunchPositionFix moves the projectile
BIS_fnc_effectFired spawns the effect listed in config of fired ammo

[marsh canyon]

tldr: script it so you'll see the effect from the right pos

[sour bough]

iirc I used the missile fix for mine and it caused inaccuracy because it doesn't change the direction of the projectile

So I moved the memory points instead

[pallid island]

well, it also defines a custom animation source in configfile >> "CfgVehicles" >> "I_LT_01_AA_F" >> "AnimationSources" >> "Missiles_revolving" for back-reference from model.cfg. Yaay for circular dependencies!

[white jay]

Noob here with 3ds Max

Ill make collar for a shirt, trying to insert loop in there

[south badge]

The answer I expected to hear, but did not want to hear

[white jay]

In the collar, it just goes trhough it to the base mesh... Collar is extruded from the shirt

[marsh canyon]

What do you expect on modding scene of Arma 3 then

[south badge]

I shall outsource this to the correct person immediately!

[charred bolt]

#arma3_config message
For missiles/bullets/rockets it's possible. Use the EH, animate the memory points for firing and effects, manually animate the muzzle flash. But doesn't seem to work as well for cannon - at least no one bothered to try helping me when I asked.

[sour bough]

I remember having to swap to bullet sim so yeah

[south badge]

That´s what happens when a master is asking for help from his padawans

[alpine matrix]

is there like a tutorial on geometry/mass? my LAV no longer thinks its a vehicle it became a rock lol

[stuck oyster]

No, but explain in more detail how the problem manifests.

[alpine matrix]

i made each component and gave it all mass separately

but when i spawn the vehicle it just floats and doesnt move

everythings animated still proper but the vehicle just wont move

[stuck oyster]

How much is the total mass?

[alpine matrix]

10572.748

[stuck oyster]

Are the wheels and dampers set up?

[alpine matrix]

yeah i have damper land selections

in the lod proper

[stuck oyster]

And when you say floats, does that mean it does not fall down at all if you spawn it up in air?

[alpine matrix]

yes

correct

it also doesnt fall in the water proper it just sits on the water level with the wheels

[stuck oyster]

Then it's either broken simulation in config or you have not actually packed the mass applied version into your pbo

Most likely anyway

[alpine matrix]

its just CarX for simulation

and i made sure i packed the mass applied version

i had the mass working originally but i wanted to remake it because it wobbled far too much around turns

[stuck oyster]

Basically there are 2 reasons why physx object don't fall.

No mass in geometry lod

Not physx type simulation.

[alpine matrix]

for simulation you do just mean "simulation = "carX";

right?

[stuck oyster]

Yes

Typos can happen, non unique class names might break by other mods using same name, broken inheritance might mean object isn't what it's supposed to be.

Stuff like those can happen on config side.

[alpine matrix]

well it worked fine before

its 100% a geo lod issue

but idk why

[stuck oyster]

Did you check if the mass is there in object builder

[alpine matrix]

yeah several times

its there

uh

well i pasted in my old geo

and it still doesnt work

something is very broken and i dont know what it is

[stuck oyster]

Try delete the geo lod

[alpine matrix]

delete it and pack with no geo lod?

[stuck oyster]

Delete and add new one

[alpine matrix]

oh fair

lol

[stuck oyster]

Delete, save

Then close and reopen

Then add then new empty geolod

[alpine matrix]

could it be my Geo Buoyancy too?

[stuck oyster]

For water floating sure.

[bright echo]

do you have valid component selections

[stuck oyster]

Add simple cube and add mass to that and component selection

[alpine matrix]

yeah i've re-made them several times in OB

[bright echo]

cuz if theyre not named the game just ignores them

[alpine matrix]

just a cube with a mass of what like 20000?

i cleared temp files on my PBO project too

had issues in the past with that

but im packing it now with just the new geo and the cube

@stuck oyster did not work

[white jay]

I have atm a huge prob with the Muzzleflash , i have smoke and light effects but no mZflash texture.. can somebody help me out with that prob?

[charred bolt]

Make sure all your Geometry LOD's are validated as Kerc says - closed, convex and with each component named "ComponentNN", and each component in the Geometry LOD has mass.
Perhaps show us screen shots of your Geometry LOD and Geometry Phys LOD's.
Remove all LOD properties from ALL LOD's except for lodnoshadow as a test.

[alpine matrix]

the Geo lod was prior A2

as its a LAV from there

not sure if that does much

but it worked for me earlier today

then stopped

i changed 1 number in the mass

[charred bolt]

Not really sure why you're asking for help when you ignore suggestions and just keep saying it worked and now it doesn't. Simple answer then would seem to be to go back to what you had before, cut and paste from your previous source if you don't understand how to make new geo lod's.

[alpine matrix]

i apologize, i am actively trying what youre all saying

but im just trying to back track and figure out why it may have broken thats all.

apologies if it came off wrong, its just flabbergasting that one number broke core functionality lol

[charred bolt]

One number didn't break it ... something else did.

[alpine matrix]

fair enough

[charred bolt]

Try to answer all these questions...

1. Geo LOD is convex?
2. Geo LOD is closed?
3. Geo LOD components have named selections "ComponentNN"?
4. Geo LOD components all have mass?
5. You have removed all LOD PROPERTIES from ALL LOD's?
6. You have checked, using the in-game config viewer, that simulation = "carx";?

[alpine matrix]

can do, give me 1 mike

1: Yes all convexed 2: Yes all closed 3: Yes everything has corresponding selection names 4: Yes, all has mass 5: Yes all properties from EVERY lod is removed 6: yes simulation is carX @charred bolt

[charred bolt]

Can you repeat the symptoms of the problem - what you see in-game that seems wrong - exactly how you are testing

[alpine matrix]

for comparison i have 2 other variations of this vehicle(with different components/models for testing)

i test everything in ACE Arsenal, i create zeus, i spawn the vehicle and it floats and is unable to be driven and its unable to be moved BUT everything is animated still; turret moves, gun shoots, muzzle flash works etc.

this is my geo lod

i managed to fix it

lord

so essentially, the Geo Physx lod was broken all i did was repeat what Horrible goat mentioned doing for the geo lod

(delete, save re open p3d file, make new lod)

thank you guys very much for the insight and i apologize for the confusion

[charred bolt]

What was "broken" about the LOD which wasn't covered by the questions we asked/answered earlier?

[alpine matrix]

I dunno

Everything was proper

Components were marked everything was closed and conceded

I genuinely have zero clue

[lone robin]

I’m missing some clarity on the shadow volume LODs for trees, more specifically the materials assigned to them. I see in samples that there is material assigned to the SV LODs but SV1 isnt UV unwrapped. Should I assign materials to SV LODs without unwrap or should they technically have a UV Set ?

[stuck oyster]

Leaves should be unwrapped so they can cast shadow from the leaf texture

The trunk does not really matter if it is unwrapped or textured. But the special case of hybrid shadow is the leaves

[lone robin]

Will SV10 be unwrapped as well for the polyplanes ?

[stuck oyster]

Yes.
Can't use texture without wrapping

Can't remember at what state the sample tree is in. It's possible it has some issues in it if this was not apparent from it.

[keen lotus]

Hey, so I don’t know if this is the right place to ask. But commissioned a model to import into the game (I’d have done it myself but so far I’ve only made 3 donuts and struggled with that LOL). The model is finished but I have no idea how to import it. Would anyone be willing to help? If so, could you send me a DM, don’t want to spam this chat since, like I said, I actually have no idea what I’m doing right now LMAO.

[mortal pelican]

anyone know what this issue comes from when importing an .obj

[pallid nexus]

Probably one of the faces in the .obj is an n-gon
One way to remove n-gons would be to load in blender, and select by edges of face, then split or triangulate the offending faces

[stuck oyster]

Where's the obj from?

[stuck oyster]

It may not be possible to get anyone gold your hand with this. We do try to answer questions but what you want could be hours or even days of hand holding to get you through all that. So you'll most likely have to try to learn the how to.

Usually it starts from setting up the modding tools and P drive development environment.

You can find simple tutorial on that and miner tools setup on PMCwiki.

[white oak]

Mostly unrelated but this is the best place to put this
having moved mostly to reforger for making models the thing I miss the most is having HG's support at the obscure bits
doubly so with how reforgers documentation is for buildings

[stuck oyster]

It's quite different

[rapid ibex]

When I press F, the weapon mode button goes down. It works normally in Object Builder.

[mortal pelican]

hey gang hows it going!

can anyone tell me why my geometry isnt working?

O.o

[mortal pelican]

solved forgot ab the naming structure....

[south badge]

Can someone explain this bit to me? If this armor.rvmat is applied to a firegeometry "blob", what is the actual thickness of this going to be?

[bright echo]

the size of the blob

armour.rvmat means the engine will use the physical thickness of the component

[south badge]

size = thickness?

So its basically terrible to model an IFV / APC FG this way, right?

because it is too thick for a vehicle that is supposed to have thin armour

[bright echo]

yes its a bad idea to do that

[lyric field]

anyone know how to fix error "cannot find object at aligngoober.p3d" -? ive re exported the model checked config and am not binarizing when putting it ingame afaik my config doesnt have any issues

[round bloom]

Anyone know what would cause this issue when shooting in-game (shows in .rpt) 20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:0 Error while trying to generate ST for points: 856, 857, 859
20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:0 Error while trying to generate ST for points: 878, 921, 913
20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:1 Error while trying to generate ST for points: 562, 565, 563
20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:2 Error while trying to generate ST for points: 205, 204, 207
20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:VIEW_PILOT Error while trying to generate ST for points: 856, 857, 859
20:53:30 Warning: an_glock17\glock17.p3d:VIEW_PILOT Error while trying to generate ST for points: 878, 921, 913
20:53:30 Warnings in an_glock17\glock17.p3d:shadow(1000)

I assume it is an OB issue

[stuck oyster]

Probably path is not right.

[lyric field]

ive tried adding pboname\aliengoober.p3d to it and same error any idea?

ive also tried fucking up the path intentionally and gave different error being unable to find the object

[stuck oyster]

Sound like you may not be doing things in way I can really help with.

Do you use p drive? Is your project in it?
What do you pack pbo with?

[lyric field]

1 yes i use a p drive and my project is contained entirely inside it
2 arma 3 tools addon builder

its a weird error tbh ive checked multiple things and nothing seems to work

[magic otter]

Is there a way to extract 3d model file from an arma 3 dlc? what im trying to do is create a custom LAV and was think if i could use a already made LAV from a DLC (CSLA Iron Curtain) and export the files into e.g blender

[woeful viper]

binarization will get rid of ST error

[lyric field]

you will have to make a content usage request at the bi email at the top of#ip_rights_violations though if you just wish to reuuse an asset from an existing bi dlc than it is extremly likely to be denied

[charred bolt]

Try packing with mikero's pboProject instead. You'll likely get a more understandable error message that helps to pinpoint the problem.

[lyric field]

ok ill use mikeros

[magic otter]

I cant seem to find the email?

[magic otter]

Thank youu!!

[round bloom]

It is binarized...

[foggy finch]

Cannot Generate ST Coords: This error comes from a face that was planar-mapped perpendicular to the normal, also known as "stretching". It should be avoided as much as possible, learn how to UV map correctly to avoid this, but isn't a critical problem to fix.

from bisim wiki

in short you have uvmap issues

[round bloom]

But the problem is it is a pre-mapped model straight from A2 so kek

[carmine gull]

You're using the BI MLODs?

It's not impossible that Bohemia's artists at the time missed a spot

[stuck oyster]

BI can't give you permission to cdlc files. And no it won't be possible.

[young marten]

Anyone knows how can i activate arma toolbox for blender? I deleted the addon by accident and now i cant reactivate it

[stuck oyster]

Possibly wrong version

[young marten]

its not

[hazy shell]

Anyone know of any guides on how to do shadow lods for models, tried to find some but none seem to be helpful for me to understand

[stuck oyster]

Did you make the original model?

[hazy shell]

A friend made it, and sort of gave up on the model

[stuck oyster]

Then you need to learn modeling.

Just in general

[hazy shell]

and has given me permission to Try and carry on and i am trying lol

[stuck oyster]

Forget anything Arma.

Practice basics

Shadowlod modeling is nothing special

[foggy finch]

yep ^

[stuck oyster]

Its same as making anything.

[hazy shell]

Okay

[broken glade]

If I want to use a p3d as a proxy from a dlc, how do I do that? is it even possible? PBO Project always gives me error messages "missing files" and points me to the proxies which came from the dlc.

[stuck oyster]

Building things from proxies is often poor idea. They got bad render distance and they might not position correct Or they might be desig8for animations which won't work.

So what kind of a thing are you trying to make

[broken glade]

just tried to add some items to the cockpit of my boat (view pilot lod). cigarettes from the sog pf dlc. if its a bad idea I will let it out

[north sundial]

Trying to get some blinking lights like on the portable server
"P:\a3\props_f_enoch\Military\Equipment\PortableServer_01_F.p3d"
Any idea what i could be doing wrong? they don't hide at all

            class blinker_blue_1_hide
            {
                type="hide";
                source="timeRndOffset";
                selection="blinker_blue_1";
                sourceAddress = mirror;
                minValue = 0.0;
                maxValue = 1.0;
                hideValue = 0.95;
                unhideValue = 0;
            };

[charred bolt]

In cases like this, you need to find out whether it's a problem with the model.cfg animation, or in fact something like the light is included in a hiddenSelection or other engine-driven texture swap.
So initially copy the light to a blank LOD and check what named selections are with it.
Then check you have blinker_blue_1 as a bone in the skeleton.
Then change the hide animation to a translation and make sure you can see it moving.
If all that works, you'll be investigating why your specific hide animation is not working properly.

[mortal pelican]

alr gang i am back!

how do i get floors that are not buggy?

everytime im make a floor using geometry its like supper glitchy when stepping on it in game

[mortal pelican]

its roadway isnt it

[mortal pelican]

is road way just very buggy?

anyreason something like this wouldnt work?

i seem to fall threw the bottom part no matter what

[north sundial]

Hi there, thank you for the tips I ended up fixing it because it was part of one of the camo selections and I also had an extra } in the model cfg (rookie mistake I know)

[north sundial]

Are your faces reversed?

https://i.sstatic.net/Xcbwd.jpg

[mortal pelican]

no it just seemed like the collision was in the middle, not sure why it was giving me aids

[north sundial]

Raise it up by like 0.001

[mortal pelican]

i did

it works now

now im dealing w trying to make an rvmat file

little bit lost

[lyric field]

best off using jd tools and grad to mass convert to paas

[stuck oyster]

Rvmat is a text file basically

There are wiki pages that explain it's basics

And default rvmats can be looked at in p:\a3\data_f

Typically things use supershader type rvmat

[mortal pelican]

Yep just trying to make a glass rvmat

[stuck oyster]

You can check out vanilla glass rvmats as reference.

Many of them might in fact use supershader too.

The transparency is done by alpha channel in the texture

And texture needs to be named with correct suffix (_CA) to keep alpha channel in conversion to paa

Pinned messages here and at #arma3_texture may be helpful

[split lily]

I got a quick question:
Is there a guide on what i need to make for a model which i can rig in the Object builder, like LODs, animations and so on and also how to properly rig them up

Also is there a any info on how to optimize models and all, since i want a smooth running game

[marsh canyon]

Depends on the model you make. What kind of

[split lily]

In my case: IFV
But im curious about tanks, helicopters and planes

[fallen compass]

Hello, could someone help me animate a gun magazine in the reloading animation?

[umbral shuttle]

Is there any samples for plane or tank mfds?

[stuck oyster]

sample in what way?

the mfd model wise is just the corner memorypoints

[umbral shuttle]

the 2d artifical horizon on blackwasp or for merkava the areas where it has the fuel guage/ammo counter/tank damage on components

[stuck oyster]

Id suppose you can read their mfd configs

some of that could also be mesh stuff animated via model.cfg

perhpas

[umbral shuttle]

Okay will peep model cfg 🫡
mfd config is very long tho 😦

[stuck oyster]

complex mfd can get pretty big yeah

[tawdry vale]

Is there a way I can re-path the whole model textures in Object builder, instead of doing one by one?

[stuck oyster]

the mass texture & material renaming tool accepts wildcard

some\path\1*

other\path\2\*

[elfin bone]

Anyone know why my rvmat is making my shovel black? http://puu.sh/miCjX/274f5e8727.png

[woeful viper]

supershader has 7 stages, not 2

copy a rvmat with supershader form a vanilla object and modify that

also your paths are still wrong...

[mortal pelican]

you guys see any reasons why this part of the geometry just isnt working?

[runic plover]

Maybe inverted faces?

[mortal pelican]

would it matter? im not sure how to change the faces

[runic plover]

Yes it matters, just select and press W

[mortal pelican]

in blender ir in ob

[runic plover]

You can also select all and Structure/Convexity/Structure Convex All

Then it also adds Component01 etc all itself

And to be sure if all works, do the Find Non Closed

And in the 3D View, do the filled view + DX

[runic plover]

OB

[mortal pelican]

its says reverse but nothing visually changes

[runic plover]

Try to fullfill and + DX in the 3D view then you see what happens

[mortal pelican]

oh

good now?

will test

[runic plover]

Hmm doesnt look wrong to me looks good so far

[mortal pelican]

it works, i think its bc i reversed it as u told me initially

thank you for the help bro!

[runic plover]

Alright 👍

[mortal pelican]

is there button for convex all to make them automatically named componenet01-xx

[charred bolt]

Structure>Topology>Find Components

[analog garden]

chat
anyone tried this? im wondering if it would help to throw on props and stuff that get placed down a lot

i see some messages from about 7 years ago here saying that the wiki needs to be updated 😭

[stuck oyster]

BI uses it in some models yes

how much it affects performance, there isnt really any data I think

probably wont hurt

[analog garden]

is it a probably that's reasonable enough to put the property into a large mod and hope it doesnt break

[elfin bone]

I am using a 7 stage rvmat and it's red now http://puu.sh/miESK/df43961ec6.png

and black when I move the smdi to any other stage

[woeful viper]

read the 2nd reply again and do that...

[visual thicket]

Here https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/76031-using-the-super-shader-rvmat-material/

[elfin bone]

http://puu.sh/miHfK/0beb6fa9ff.txt

[reef gate]

Is it possible for me to export a model into arma without mounting a p drive?

I’ve made all of the LOD’s

[pallid island]

HEMTT should work without a P drive iirc 🤔

https://hemtt.dev/ this HEMTT

[stuck oyster]

yes its possible.

getting help on problems may be more difficult though

[reef gate]

How much storage does the P drive take up?

[stuck oyster]

well technically 0 but with A3 data unpacked about 38gb

and whatever your own project takes

unpacking a3 data is basically for file reference checks

[reef gate]

I’m still a bit unclear on what a project drive is, I’ve tried to read up on it but I’m still unsure

[stuck oyster]

it represents the game engines internal file structure

so path on P;\some\path in game is root\some\path

or some\path

since root is just a concept, not used in paths

so when you build your project in P drive with right folder structure you can easily know what the file paths will be

and the Arma Tools are built around this system

and sure it can be bypassed with right methods, but that requires more expertise

[south badge]

Could someone perhaps tell me what I am doing incorrectly?

I am trying to set up the muzzleImpulseFactor for the magazines, but no matter what I do, if I make the recoil more or less adequate when firing forwards, the moment I start firing sideways the recoil is way too high, and it sends the vehicle sliding to the side.

If I make the recoil adequate for sideways firing, it becomes completely unnoticable when firing forwards.

On the whole the recoil also feels quite unnatural, it only seems to move the vehicle in a certain direction. For example if I am firing sideways I would expect the opposite side track to take most of the force, and have the vehicle tilt slightly instead of sliding away.

But perhaps I am missing something? I couldn´t find anything about how is muzzleImpulseFactor linked to the vehicle´s skeleton.

[stuck oyster]

where is your vehicles mass center?

@south badge

[south badge]

good question!

let me take a look

Hm, actually, how do I get that information quickly? The components have different mass, I can´t really rely on Blender

As I presume the origin in Blender and the center of mass are two different things

ah apparently getCenterOfMass exists, one sec

[stuck oyster]

there was a thing for that in Clocks ArmaToolbox I recall

I've just used Object Builder in the past

if you just distribute mass evenly the gravity center usually becomes very high

[south badge]

Hm, I´d need to somehow visualize these coordiantes

The track components have about 468 mass each, while the rest of the components only have about 8-12 each

so it ought to be pretty low

[stuck oyster]

🤔

[south badge]

[stuck oyster]

how can the center be below it

aa

you have not modeled it on top of 0 plane

[south badge]

ruh roh

is that an issue?

[stuck oyster]

maybe

[south badge]

I could try lifting it to see what gives

[stuck oyster]

its probably not related to the recoil though

[south badge]

Regarding recoil I do not really understand how exactly the forces get applied and to what bones of the model. Maybe it´s just very basic.

As I reckon it ought to interact somehow with suspension, no?

[stuck oyster]

as far as I know its quite basic yeah

[stuck oyster]

yes

I would however compare with vanilla vehicles

and possibly try vanilla gun on it

[south badge]

Yeah I´ll take a look. Up until now I always handled recoil via an animation instead

[stuck oyster]

or vanilla recoil on your gun

[stuck oyster]

that works on things like shaking a mountend MG

but wont work on full frame

[south badge]

Yeah I have only done statics up until now

[stuck oyster]

the recoil impulse is just for that

but it may require compromise

[south badge]

cheers, I will look into it

[empty fable]

Can't believe we don't have a single quality AK-12 mod, literally the standard issue russian rifle

[stuck oyster]

Ok..

I guess its your turn to make it

https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/AK-12_series there is this though

[south badge]

I can´t believe we don´t have a single quality free mod for the Czechoslovak forces in a game made by a Czechoslovak company

[lyric field]

i still cant believe we dont a single high quality pike mod pikes were used by so many nations for century's

[fallen compass]

Hello, could someone explain to me some index or reference of what I have to do so that the magazine inserts itself into the weapon or in this case pistol, I already have all the memories including proxies but it reloads and the hand looks empty

[cloud zealot]

How do i make a helipad ? I mean i can open blender and add a plane and make a p3d but the plane will not be bended when i place it on the ground. When i place a helipad on the ground, it follows the shape of the ground. How do i do this ?

[stuck oyster]

it is called decal

theres 2 ways

theres a menu in object builder that can assign vertex flag on the mesh that makes it follow ground surface

or you can use class land_decal named property

as to get it to work as helipad, youll need to inherit the class from the vanilla helipad

[split lily]

Is there a tutorial on how to rig up an IFV in the Object Builder ?

[cloud zealot]

Hmm i see, so the helipad needs to be made of multiple vertex in order to be bended ?

[stuck oyster]

no it shuold drape the whole face on the ground

most of the time anyway

[cloud zealot]

nice, thanks 🙂

[stuck oyster]

4 vertex, 2 face square should work just fine

if you want it to cut clutter, youll need also a roadway mesh with same treatment

that can be more complex if you want to manage the shape it cuts

[cloud zealot]

i see

[stuck oyster]

class land_decal type is drawn with roads so it has little limited draw distance

the older mesh flag type might have some shading issues with certain shader types

[fallen compass]

.

[stuck oyster]

magazine is animated as part of the weapon

in weapons model.cfg

[fallen compass]

ok

I am going to refer to this gun

[analog garden]

[nova river]

Any good guides or resources for importing vehicles into Arma 3?
Ill also need to make some animations for it as well, and not sure where to figure that out

[stuck oyster]

there are some resources on youtube. like tutorials from El Tyranos, Sokolonko and Battlestad that can get you started

there are also the Arma3 Samples on Steam you can study (though some things on them have not been updated)

then there is the BI wiki with all kinds of info

for animating youll want to read the model.cfg and how to animate a model pages on the wiki to begin with

[nova river]

Ok, thank you!

[rapid tree]

hello, how can i export sharp and smooth edges with the p3d export in blender ? in Blender my model looks like it should

[rapid tree]

CUP

[pallid nexus]

With the object builder addon, it was just export p3d, and the sharp and smooth edges were already set

[rapid tree]

but somehow they dont export

it works as fbx

[pallid nexus]

Don't know
It's been a couple of months since I did anything with the modeling
First one I did wasn't smoothed, second one was smoothed. I think I just smoothed the relevant LOD in blender, and then exported the .p3d

[rapid tree]

the thing is i had that happen sometimes but i could always fix it with auto smooth, but for this model it dont work

[pallid nexus]

You could try recalculating normals
Smooth or sharp edges can be set manually, but that's tedious

Applying the smooth by angle node group before exporting might also work

[rapid tree]

this is what i do, it fixed it for my recent models but not for this particular :/

[pallid nexus]

Try copying over the stuff into a new blend file?
Seems odd that one particular model wouldn't work
There might be something in the logs in the console window that could help track down the issue

I'm mostly making guesses at this point, since it just seems strange that one model wouldn't behave nicely while others work fine

[rapid tree]

i fixed it

forgot to add custom split normal

but thanks for the help mate

[woeful viper]

My personal feeling is that most vehicles in arma (including vanilla) have way too much damping. When your vehicle damping is too high, it's not possible to tilt -> the force has to be caught at the track<->ground connection. (where on top of weird damping, weird friction behaviour of arma physics might come into play... or your settings for the wheels longitudinal/horizontal stiffness).

the suggestion of having perfect damping (you might have seen the formula to calculate damping rate in sample configs and elsewhere online in documentation) is way too much damping to give realistic looking vehicles.

[south badge]

[woeful viper]

so it's a combination of circumstances, is my guess. Some you might be able to fix (with some pain) and some that are just due to weird arma mechanics in physics that are not well configure engine side (like friction...)

having such a low center of mass is not helping of course...

[south badge]

I will tinker around with it, but it is by no means a critical issue

[south badge]

Is there any trick on how to make a static weapon accessible from any direction? No matter how I place the entry and direction points, the angle for entry is quite narrow.

[twilit seal]

Have you tried:

1. Changing the getInOut mode:
   https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#...preciseGetInOut

2. using named selections instead
   https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#getIn....ActionNamedSel

I've been able to do the first but haven't ever tried the second

[stuck oyster]

the actionNamedSel is not used anywhere in vanilla at least

so it might be deprecated

[charred bolt]

Multiple get-in/out pairs of points, placed along all four sides.

[south badge]

ohhhhh

[white jay]

you should set up you object builder to have P:\ as default for textures, then you do not have problems when packing it to a pbo because you can't P:\my\path\to\something within a packed pbo it should be then my\path\to\something

[south badge]

I am not sure if this was ever figured out and I am just dumb and stupid, but it seems that if I place the Blender material that has the _ca texture assigned to it all the way to the bottom of the Blender material list, once the P3D gets exported out of Blender the _ca texture will be at the top of the list automatically.

So there is no need to re-sort it every time in OB after exporting from Blender due to some model update

[charred bolt]

Multiple faces can have the same _ca texture - example, inside and outside glass faces on a windscreen; in such cases you need to individually sort the inner and outer faces and not so easily selected just by texture or material.

[dawn vessel]

I’m trying to make a “vehice” which has one gunner seat, where the player will use their normal gun (if possible allow all guns types to be equipped, primary, pistol and launcher) but I don’t know how to setup proxies on a model, so any good guides or advice would be greatly appreciated. This “vehicle” doesn’t need to be drive able, so the best approach for this if you know I’d appreciate your input on this. I am very new to modelling, so break it down as much as possible please and bare with me.

[charred bolt]

You can base your asset on the StaticWeapon vanilla class.
Your p3d of the asset will have a single Gunner proxy for the player position.
In the config, you'll set the gunnerAction inside the turret class to an FFV animation type and alter the config to remove any (vehicle) weapons and the ability to fire them.

[dawn vessel]

Thanks, how do I setup the Gunner proxies? If there is a guide or wiki that would be amazing

[charred bolt]

What do you mean by "setup"?

[dawn vessel]

Do I need to put that in the p3d? Or is that a modelCfg thing?

How does it know where the “player” should be

[charred bolt]

Your p3d of the asset will have a single Gunner proxy for the player position.

[dawn vessel]

I may seem stupid, that is likely true, but I don’t know how to do that

[charred bolt]

So I know what base we're at, have you done any work with p3d's before? Do you have a p: drive set-up and have you built a mod before into game?

[dawn vessel]

I’ve made a very simple p3d before, it was just a simple box for a hitbox, but assume I’m completely new is the best idea

I used the blender arma 3 tools, and then just duplicated my LOD for all the ones I needed FireGeo, Geo, Phys, etc

I have lots of experience in coding/scripting if that helps at all

[charred bolt]

Here is a p3d showing a machine gun. The yellow triangle is a proxy for the gunner which purely determines the players position.
The green one is a proxy for the muzzle flash, and there's another for a searchlight volumetric cone.

The gunner proxy has an ID of 001.
Inside the config.cpp code file which describes what the asset is, you'll have a Turret class for the gunner which says what the gunner can do, and it will reference the gunner proxy 001.

[dawn vessel]

Awesome what software is that, my use case is simple (I hope), the player should just be essentially standing and using their own guns (not a static) I just need my “hitbox” to have a gunner proxy at the [0,0,0] reference in model space

[charred bolt]

Your project will be made up of a model (p3d), config (config.cpp) and model animations (model.cfg), along with some data files such as textures and materials.

[dawn vessel]

Config I’m familiar with it’s the p3d that is where I need help

[charred bolt]

So what is different between "your" player and a normal player in game?

[dawn vessel]

That’s kind of the point wait one

I’ll show you a video to explain better

This is my update to you guys regarding the zero gravity script and it's progress. You can hopefully see the further improvements since last time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXO_vM-euW0

Again if you view the description of the video you can see what things I want help with, so any help in that regard would be greatly appreciated

Also this is my next major problem I want to resolve so any ideas how to solve this would be appreciated
How can I adjust a player’s (weaponDirection) aka up/down (pitch) aim direction in Arma 3 while they are attached to an object, so that only their torso rotates—just like normal free-aim—without moving their feet or the entire character model?

Currently, when a player is attached to an object, their aim direction is “locked in,” and using commands like setDirAndUp rotates the entire body (including the feet). I’m looking for a way to replicate the natural behaviour where only the torso rotates up and down, while the player remains attached to the object and their feet stay planted.

[charred bolt]

Most models are made in something like blender or 3ds, being finally exported using a plugin toolbox to p3d format, where they're imported to Arma's Object Builder (what you see in my screenshot).

[dawn vessel]

The wording might be a bit strange as this is a copy paste from a scripting approach

But I’ve investigated and feel faking the players position by having them “in the hitbox vehicle” should remedy my main issue

Basically this project has expanded beyond my knowledge hence my request for helping learn models you might have a better idea and I’m all ears

[charred bolt]

If you want to place the player "inside" a vehicle, you'll need to choose the most appropriate vanilla vehicle type to inherit for the purpose.

[dawn vessel]

I was thinking about a similar system to a gunner position in a car, think the base game jeep. Where you can use your guns while standing on the seat

I want to try to emulate that, but with a custom “vehicle”

[charred bolt]

So a jeep is using a physx car simulation. It will have wheels, an engine, a driver etc and then your gunner position.

[dawn vessel]

Yeah so I don’t need lots of that stuff, just it being a PhysX object and a gunner position, but unsure if arma modelling would like that or not

[charred bolt]

A static however, uses a simpler physx simulation, and is designed just for a gunner and a weapon - that weapon can be omitted, leaving the gunner with just FFV.

[dawn vessel]

So this being more your domain, do you think marking it as a “static” would be the best idea?

[charred bolt]

You can base your asset on the StaticWeapon vanilla class. 😉

Sometimes the answers are already there 😉

[dawn vessel]

Thank you if you wouldn’t mind I’d love to pick your brain more about this, as you can likely tell I’m well beyond my current knowledge in this field

that is what I was thinking, but it’s nice to have it reaffirmed by someone who knows modelling more than me

I understand you are likely busy so if you have guides you know about that could help me that would also be appreciated

[charred bolt]

Quite a bit of info in the pinned messages. Here we can help you with specific questions.

[dawn vessel]

Alright thanks for your input so far do appreciate it. I’ll come back to you when I’m stuck again

[charred bolt]

Good luck with it

[white jay]

Hey guys, hoping 4 help... we have an Muzzleflash wich is statich (all time visible) exept the supressor in on the weap... were not able to get this thing done // (its the BI GM6 mzflash)

[copper scarab]

Is there a guide/process to using 3DS Max instead of blender for A3? I've been trying but so far whenever i import a weighted fbx into OB there's no mesh.

[stuck oyster]

no or at least nothing recent.

(then again the fbx import process has not changed in what 15+ years for Object Builder so even old guide would work)

[copper scarab]

Thanks, i'll dig for older guides

[sour bough]

Hasn't fbx import been broken for forever? I seem to recall it killing sharps in OB

[stuck oyster]

FBX needs smoothing groups set up

there may be some tricks requried to get that work right

probably depends also on the what program is used to export the fbx

its not quite as universal format as it wants to be

[copper scarab]

I've resigned myself to Model in 3ds > setup in blender > OB > done

[charred bolt]

Most of our (SOG:PF DLC) artists use, or have transitioned to, Blender without issue, so you can be assured it IS possible to use successfully.

[copper scarab]

oh no doubt i'm just not involved in any major projects so there's no need for me to make that switch

[stuck oyster]

Blender is also free.

[south badge]

Can I, in any way, create the possibility of picking different camouflages for distinct parts of the model?

For example, I would like to have different camo variants for the vehicle only, and below them different camo variants for the turret only.

So I can have, for example, a green or desert or whatever vehicle, and on top of it I can select a black / white / whatever turret. For now I can obviosuly only achieve a situation, where the camo of the entire model (vehicle + turret) gets changed.

something like that

[pallid island]

i'm pretty sure the Garage looks for class TextureSources that only operates on full sets of textures[]= lists, so no nice UI
So only scripting or creating alternative config classes, i suppose?

[south badge]

Well yes

But this is the answer I expected to hear, not the one I wanted to hear

[umbral shuttle]

is it possible to proxy in firegeo/geo for walls of building? Like lets say a simple 4 walled house and proxy out each side.

[cloud zealot]

Is there any reason a texture is showing up perfectly in object builder but is glitching ingame ?

This is what i see in object builder

And this is whyat i see ingame

The texture is supposed to be displayed on the way OB shows it

i have absolutely no idea where these little white polygons come from. When i look at the texture, there is no white anywhere near these polygons

I tried to modify the texture and the nohq but it doesn't change anything

I think this is a new issue for the feedback tracker

[dawn vessel]

I'm trying to make this hitbox be a gunner seat, like you are sitting in a vehicle with a gun and able to use your gun, but it just makes the player invisible when they are put into the vehicle I'm very new to this field, so if you have any questions feel free to ask this is my first time trying to setup proxies
https://pastebin.com/RLsZ8Hiu

Currently the hitbox is showing up that's fine but I think my proxy is wrong

[charred bolt]

Put the proxy you added to the Fire Geometry into the resolution LOD 1, and you might also need a View Cargo LOD, which can be a duplicate of LOD 1.

[runic plover]

Weightpaint problem of this white thing.. you need correct weightening to fix this

[cloud zealot]

What do you mean ? How can weight painting have something to do with this ?

[stuck oyster]

its deforming the mesh and possibly pulling out white bits from underneath the black bits

[cloud zealot]

Seems pretty much unlikely, texture is properly displayed in Blender and OB, there is no white vertices anywhere near this area

I've send the blend file to you, check your MPs

[stuck oyster]

Are there any textureless mesh?

[cloud zealot]

None

As you can see in OB picture, everything displays properly

I've tried everything since yerterday but it doesn't want to work properly

[charred bolt]

Can you show your config.cpp? (use pastebin.com)

[cloud zealot]

https://pastebin.com/r83aYL6m

[charred bolt]

Not sure you should have the hiddenSelections entries in CfgWeapons.
business_shoes.paa texture is missing it's suffix (_co or _ca)

[cloud zealot]

indeed i can remove it

i can rename this texture but it won't change anything

[charred bolt]

You can do it right or wrong, completely your choice, yes.

[runic plover]

OB / blender = not ingame with animations

[cloud zealot]

The thing is i checked and rechecked the model, it even works fine when i play animation in object builder. It works fine with Armarig too

[charred bolt]

Usually when it's ok in buldozer, but broken in game, it's because of the config, which is not taken into consideration in the former.
Have you removed that incorrect hiddenSelection yet and tested?

[cloud zealot]

Just tested now its still not working

[charred bolt]

Do you have the original model p3d? Can you check it has the hiddenSelection selection names you think it does?

[cloud zealot]

yes, the hiddelselection names exists in the p3d

[cloud zealot]

If you want to check by yourself, you'll find here a download link to the mod

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T188990

[charred bolt]

No, more than enough to do of my own work...

Do the white triangles change colour when you use setObjectTexture on the 3 hiddenSelections with procedural colours?

[cloud zealot]

No, they stay white

[charred bolt]

That indicates those triangles are not included in the hiddenSelections then

[cloud zealot]

but they are in the p3d

[charred bolt]

or they're not uv'd

[cloud zealot]

When i check these polygons on OB, they have a texture. I can't check if they are uv'd in OB but they are in Blender

[charred bolt]

Why can't you? OB has a UV editor

[cloud zealot]

But when i select a face, i don't see it selected in the uv editor

[charred bolt]

That doesn't make sense. You select a face that you can't see?

Select the face in OB. Open the UV editor. Use the tool to highlight the area on the UV where that face is.
If nothing is highlighted, it probably doesn't have a UV mapping.

[cloud zealot]

i mean when i select a face i don't see it selected in the uv editor, i cannot check if the uv is properly made in OB like in Blender

[charred bolt]

Cut and paste the offending triangle faces to a new empty LOD. Check the UV. If nothing there, that's the issue.

[cloud zealot]

when i cut and paste these triangles in a new lod, their uv shows up properly

But if it wasn't the case, i would see it in buldozer

[charred bolt]

In that case you are mistaken that you can't see their UV's before you cut and paste them out

[cloud zealot]

No, i could see their uvs before, i was just saying there is no highlighting system on the uvs when you select a face to make sure the uv is right where you expect it to be

When i created the new lod, now i could see the uvs was properly where it's supposed to be

I really think that's an engine related issue

[charred bolt]

Well I gave in and looked at your p3d...

you have mixed up the buttons and camo selections - those white triangles have both selections

[cloud zealot]

what ??? really ?!

Ooooh my god !

Thanks a lot for wasting your time on such pointless issue....

should have seen it earlier

[round bloom]

Do you need to add a memory point for a bipod on a weapon or not?

[cloud zealot]

That only happened on the first lod, that weird...

[stuck oyster]

👍

[carmine gull]

Yep, if only to set where the weapon pivots around when the bipod is deployed: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Weapon_Config_Guidelines#.23Bipods

[blazing fox]

hey is there a police car p3d that open for changes ?

i want to take a model and change the logo to a different logo

[stuck oyster]

Don't think so.

Properly set up mod would have retexturing capability

[cloud zealot]

What does this error means ?

[south badge]

What am I doing wrong with the shadow LODs? Thy seem to completely disappear when I zoom out far enough, which is not necessarily an issue when it comes to vehicle exterior, but it makes the interiors extremely bright, which is a problem.

Am I missing some additional LOD?

[stuck oyster]

shadow draw distance is short

[south badge]

so is it not skill issue?

[stuck oyster]

ambiet occlusions/ambient shadow texture typed ADS/ADS_HQ has one of the channels focused on distance shadowing that can mimic shadow lod cast at distance. not sure if it would work in this or even be necessary.

as to the close up darkness, is your shadowlod a box or have you modeled all the walls to it?

[south badge]

It originally was a box and I just modelled it out properly, that´s when I noticed the issue for the first time

Since the other vehicles are closed off mostly and I did not notice it

[stuck oyster]

for closed off things it dont matter

but if you want to see correct shadows in interior youll need all the walls and doors included so they cast shadow properly

[south badge]

Sounds like something I would rather not do!

[stuck oyster]

is your addon binarized?

and do you use macros?

[cloud zealot]

yes it is, using pboproject

no i don't use macro

[stuck oyster]

what does config line 85 look like

that is basically the clue to look at

something wrong there that the game cant read

[cloud zealot]

here is the config https://pastebin.com/raNXEg2s
line 85 is

author = "IARTS Studio";

The weirdest thing is the texture is displayed properly

but the game says the is an error line 85 in the texture

here is the texture

[stuck oyster]

how did you make the paa?

[cloud zealot]

using texView and respecting _co thing

the jpg was made with photoshop

[stuck oyster]

never use jpg as texture format

[cloud zealot]

i'll try with png

[stuck oyster]

tga or png yeah

jpg compression messes up the textures

probably not related to the issue but as a quality thing

[cloud zealot]

Hmm usually i use jpg because it looks like texview cannot read some png formats

The error is still there, only the line number changed

[sour bough]

How are you packing this?

[stuck oyster]

normal 8bit per channel rgba png should work

some programs may be saving higher bith depths that png cant use

uncompressed tga is the other option

[stuck oyster]

@sour bough

[sour bough]

I mean the pbo

[stuck oyster]

pboProject id assume 😅

[charred bolt]

Trailing comma in arrays, line 90 and 108. May not be the problem but is an error.

[cloud zealot]

thanks

[cloud zealot]

but the error is still present

[stuck oyster]

just to make sure. its texview from arma3 tools and not texview from arma 2 tools you use

[cloud zealot]

Its Arma 3 tools, i'm sure, Arma 2 is not installed on my computer

[stuck oyster]

just making sure. I guess you could try deleting the file from P temp and maybe even using different name to see if for some reason that particular file does not convert/pack to pbo correctly

or use that file but say 2k resolution version

[cloud zealot]

i tried with a 2k resolution and a different name its generating the same error at the same line

[stuck oyster]

im out of ideas for now. Im not sure if its about the file itself or config

but I cant remember seeing that error on my own stuff ever