arma3_model

[marsh canyon]

Arma 3 Samples to be exact, you can get it on Steam

[iron tundra]

It's already installed

[bright jungle]

Yeah

[inland pawn]

If you are Anu, you can take over for me

[inland pawn]

ARMA 도구를 열고 예제 유니폼 p3d를 검색하세요.

[marsh canyon]

(Keep it mind we want to keep the language English for various reasons; if you need a foreign language to talk best to leave English along with your language please)

[iron tundra]

Which of these is it?

[inland pawn]

That’s ARMA 3 tools

You want ARMA 3 samples

[iron tundra]

Okay, installing.

[inland pawn]

👍

Inside you should see an addons folder

Inside that should be a folder that contains an example vest and uniform

You can import the uniform into blender and copy everything over to your uniform

[iron tundra]

Is it possible to DM?

[marsh canyon]

Basically: Samples have example human body model that can be imported into Blender or such. Fit your cloth, get proper weight, tweak if necessary, export as P3D, use it as an uniform using some config works

[inland pawn]

Sure. Though I don’t natively speak Korean. I think @bright jungle might be a better option here

[iron tundra]

I don't know how to do configuration work

[marsh canyon]

Alternatively we can either speak easier English or translation-proofed English here so better knowledges can be gathered

[inland pawn]

Is there a command for the ARMA toolbox link?

[marsh canyon]

Pinned

[inland pawn]

https://github.com/AlwarrenSidh/ArmAToolbox @iron tundra make sure you have this installed for your blender

[iron tundra]

already i have installed it

[inland pawn]

Ok, good. Then you can import the sample uniform and your uniform into the same instance. Then data transfer the stuff over from the sample to yours

[iron tundra]

When you run Arma 3 Samples, this file appears.

[marsh canyon]

Addons, Characters

There should have a naked guy example

[iron tundra]

Is there a naked man character here?

[inland pawn]

Grab the character example or template

I think example would work best

[iron tundra]

Are you opening the p3d file in Blender?

opened

[inland pawn]

One of those is just the uniform

I forget which

[iron tundra]

How many of these can I delete?
I can't see the character

[inland pawn]

You shouldn’t need that one. Theres a uniform only one in there

[iron tundra]

okay

Can I put on pants and a top now?

[inland pawn]

Uniforms are one piece in a3

There isn’t a pants and top option

Unless you do it through hiddenSelections

[iron tundra]

okay
I would like to add the pants and top body armor and helmet separately.

[inland pawn]

Pants and top body are required to be one piece

They’re set on the body by selections

Unless you make separate p3ds with and without

[iron tundra]

I see. Is it easy to transform pants or tops into P3D?

[inland pawn]

Once you have your uniform setup, you should be able to export as p3d with ARMA toolbox

[iron tundra]

Is there any specific work to be done on the uniforms before exporting them to P3D?

[inland pawn]

Be sure you’ve moved the selections from the sample uniform to yours so everything will adjust to the ARMA man body

[iron tundra]

Is there a video on how to do that?

[inland pawn]

I dont think so

Never looked

But, it's a blender modifier

[iron tundra]

I don't know what to do here

[marsh canyon]

Move/rotate and propotional editing

[iron tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SlsyxPS6uc

I watched this video and followed it
But I don't know what to do next

[west haven]

minor texturing issue

this is a new one for me tho

[still trail]

anyone know if there is a light limit for a model? Got 18 lights on the frigate and i'm getting a CTD

[hollow fulcrum]

yes, i think i mentioned that before :P

[west haven]

the textures and rvmat seem to line up so I don't think it's that. I got all of that correct this time around

[hollow fulcrum]

dynamic lights are limited. but if you have 18, they must have increased the limit. which does make me happy on the inside.

[west haven]

fixed, UV issue

[cyan nebula]

Hi guys, do you know how to write model.CFG when you have many helmets of the same type? I thought that each p3d needed its own model.CFG, but looking at the structure of other mods, I realized that this was not the case. In Config.CPP I entered two helmets, but one of them stuck to my ass. How do I make sure that both helmets are on my head? Thank you in advance.

[iron tundra]

Where can I get this skeleton?

[west haven]

oh for that one i'd suggest like, for the model cfg for the other model of it just go like class Airframe_Tactical3: Airframe_Tactical2 or whatever it inherits from {};

[hollow fulcrum]

too many will result in CTD's.

[still trail]

yeah 18 is too many :)

[cyan nebula]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. I have a ready-made model.CFG for airframe_tactical3.p3d and it works well, but the second version (airframe_tactical2.p3d) is not on my head due to the lack of model.CFG. If you make a separate model.CFG for airframe_tactical2.p3d, then you need to move them to another folder, maybe? Or is it possible to somehow embed several helmets into one model.CFG?

[still trail]

another reason to cut up the model

[cyan nebula]

If it helps, here is the config file

[hollow fulcrum]

the limit is/was 12/13 i can't recall exactly. one short of what i needed for the MkV, that I do know.

[still trail]

lol

[west haven]

okay so what you would do here is after the class airframe_tactical3 you add a class airframe_tactical2 and have it inherit from the 3

[still trail]

is it per LOD

[hollow fulcrum]

total in config

literal config limitation.

[cyan nebula]

amm... like that?

[west haven]

Yeah, it's what i did for my rifles and it seems to have worked fine since they shared everything

might be different for helped but give it a shot and see what happens

[cyan nebula]

Oh, I get it, thanks. But I can't do it because of some mistake. I'll try to figure out the pboproject log

[west haven]

ye

[cyan nebula]

omg, it worked, thanks a lot, you really saved me. Once again, thank you very much! 💖 💖 💖

[west haven]

ur welcome bro

[stuck oyster]

[stuck oyster]

[west haven]

oh god and i figured out how the audio works

oh

oh no

i turned the binarizing off

the sounds work but now

what in the fuck

[stuck oyster]

result of this 😄

[west haven]

so

if i binarize i get proper animations but no sound

[stuck oyster]

no no

[west haven]

and if i don't i get fucked animations and sound

[stuck oyster]

if you binarize and fix whatever breaks sounds it works

[west haven]

Hmm

[stuck oyster]

everything should work binarized if everything is correct

are they custom sounds?

[west haven]

Yeah

[stuck oyster]

what file format did you use?

[west haven]

I talked to a friend who also does modding and he said don't binarize it

[stuck oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[west haven]

I tried wav and wss, I had LAxemann helping me out

[stuck oyster]

hes good with sound stuff but Im gonna insist not binarizing sound pbo cant be the answer

[west haven]

I might have an idea

a bit crackpot but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241824832453345280/1199348863505530900/980ef5cd32da504336c21e07fdb19ebd.png?ex=65c237ab&is=65afc2ab&hm=b192cf2b959583079c75a2f5ee5e74932f4e04d8b87eb6a98ff62943c55f7f19&

oh my god im a fucking genius

[stuck oyster]

sure that works

Im fairly sure you should be able to binarize sounds too though

but if it works then it works

[west haven]

personally i find this funnier so it stays

[celest arch]

anybody using quixel2 now?

[cursive sleet]

If anyone is using quixel can they stream it? just wanna see how the nr2 is

[celest arch]

I have a problem with it, loaded an obj and it's just one layer in Blender. Although, quixel sees it as 2 texture sets and splits it

it's adding half of the model as "defaultobject"

[last spindle]

you need to apply the same material to the entire object in Blender i would guess

[celest arch]

ah crap materials is what I use for the ID map

I try unchecking "write materials" in obj export settings

yup that works, thanks

mmm still have some problems with 3DO

Blender: http://i.imgur.com/TwZkpXN.png

3DO: http://i.imgur.com/YfOMpWb.png

any ideas?

[last spindle]

OBJ? the export settings, make sure it is on triangles, and probably other things, but mainly triangles

[celest arch]

well mesh is triangulated in Blender

[west haven]

Oh yeah, as a curiosity when doing a red dot sight like the Aimpoint ACRO, would there be three flat surfaces (one for the rear of the sight and two for the front) to simulate a window looking in, or would there just be two?

[stuck oyster]

Id guess typically you would have just 1 surface for each direction

using more can perhaps work too but overlapping transparent surfacea are always more performance heavy

[last spindle]

hmm i was thinking those triangle were missing, it seems that the edges were lost, it will be something in the OBJ settings, but no diea what blenders settings even look like

[west haven]

understandable

I was thinking about trying to emulate the blue tint that red dots have

[umbral shuttle]

for this, is there a setting in object builder to allow a 4th digit after decimal?

[stuck oyster]

what are you doing exactly? 😅

and why in that menu

and no theres no option for that

Id recommend doing whatever you try to do in source model

[celest arch]

used to be fine with last version, didnt touch its export settings

weird

[last spindle]

ok, that is weird then

[umbral shuttle]

u know how for grenade launchers u need to make the memory points for each zeroing cause shell simulation doenst auto adjust for angle.

[celest arch]

looks like quixel2 accepts .blend now

lets try

[stuck oyster]

yeh?

[hollow fulcrum]

i was about to say just that. why not try import blend file ;)

[celest arch]

lol

imported .blend, everything disappeared in 3do

[umbral shuttle]

well that is why I wanted the 4th digit so I could maybe try and do some math to calculate where the memory points would have to be

but well that idea kinda feel apart since I am unsure how to calculate what angle is needed given muzzle velocity of the shell and how far it should go

[hollow fulcrum]

3DO2 does not like models with UV issues (just FYI), creates similar visual effects or nothing at all.

or lacking UV's..

[stuck oyster]

I recall once doing a shoot test in live game with script calculating at what angle was I looking up

and then using those angles as starting points for eyeposition angling

or you can just give some angles and run it in game, see if it fall short or long and adjust the positions a bit

[umbral shuttle]

that is where I am at, and ooooof its kinda tedious

[hollow fulcrum]

is known, being fixed for the 'lacking uvs' bit. might already be..

[celest arch]

fairly sure UV is fine on this

I don't see any major problems in the AO bake image I linked before

[hollow fulcrum]

i can try it if you want, so far everything i have has been fine. bar 'known' issues, and a couple im trying to repro now.

[celest arch]

yeah sure!

[grizzled halo]

bad friend

[grizzled halo]

adjusting your rvmat specular will help you with partially transparent textures if thats what you are tying to do

[west haven]

hmm, I'll do my best to remember that

currently working on the handgun itself before i go wild with optics

[twin cipher]

anyone know if no-cull is possible on models / textures?

please ping when u respond 😄

[real crow]

Hey peeps, i have to port an aa system like the s-75, and i was wondering how should i proceed with it? I thought to make it work just like a rocket launcher which has its mag as proxy, since the rocket should be visible in its static position and then when firing the "fly model" will take the place. Of course i need to switch the weapon, magazine and ammo class to the missile ones. Am i on the right track?

[stuck oyster]

what does no cull mean?

[twin cipher]

objects always draw on the camera

[stuck oyster]

when is it not drawn on camera?

[twin cipher]

when its hidden behind another object 😄

[stuck oyster]

yes for that there are named properties that can be used

occlusion is the term used in arma context

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Named_Properties#canbeoccluded

[twin cipher]

hey, thanks!

[west haven]

oh also potentially silly question but how are tritium pistol sights etc done? is it from the SMDI or is there another property

[stuck oyster]

emmissive property of rvmat

the dots need to be given their own rvmat for that

[west haven]

oh wew

I suppose that isn't so bad

I might approach it more when it's time to handle that part, im currently more hot on the heels of doing up my pair of handguns

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/560360296083095563/1199457820421144698/15952ae86e1d6e287f373f75b7cc60d3.png?ex=65c29d25&is=65b02825&hm=ee6a779644906180a967ae4dbcfdb72ce31cff1eeeda8016995387469b8d3297&

[stuck oyster]

there are also ready glowy materials you can use straightaway in a3\data_f\lights

like these

[west haven]

Hmm, I was considering these being part of the NOHQ but- oh shit

I think I'll cross that bridge when i get to it tho, but big cheers for letting me kno- ohhh would it be like

a little flat face or something that is only the light?

[stuck oyster]

yeah that works

[west haven]

ohhhh okay i get it now

excellent, for now tho i shall eep

ty goat man

[iron tundra]

I don't know how to transform the fbx outfit into the Arma outfit. Is there anyone who can guide me from start to finish?

[west haven]

Use the ArmaforBlender

[mossy mulch]

pins

[main jasper]

Good morning everyone.

Having an issue with my selector switch animations. When checking them in the Object Builder, they appear to work perfectly fine, however in game, the selector switch appears to rotate around an axis that is on the floor and not actually in the weapon.
It is like the axis in the memory LOD doesn't actually move with the weapon and is glitched into the ground or something. Any ideas?

class safety_mode_rot
            {
                type="rotation";
                source="weaponmode";
                selection="Selector";
                axis="selector_axis";
                sourceAddress = clamp;
                minValue = 0.0;
                maxValue = 0.25;
                angle1=rad 90;
                angle0=0;
                animPeriod = 0.0;
                initPhase = 0.0;
            };
            class safety_mode_safe_rot
            {
                type="rotation";
                source="weaponmuzzle";
                selection="Selector";
                axis="selector_axis";
                sourceAddress = clamp;
                minValue = 0.99;
                maxValue = 1.0;
                angle0 = 0.0;
                angle1=rad -90;
                animPeriod = 0.0;
                initPhase = 0.0;
            };

[white oak]

Could try defining the axis as a bone and attaching it to something
Or use rotx/y/z w/o an axis

[stuck oyster]

does the weapon model have autocenter 0 property?

is the skeleton isDiscreet 1 or 0 ?

@main jasper

[short marsh]

I had issues with the M4 style selector switch. Maybe it was just noobness or the game didn't like it, but I abandoned it. Though it should rotate around the axis as normal.

[west haven]

quick question regarding magazines

what other LODs do they need apart from the usual?

like, do they need geometry etc?

[short marsh]

They need the shadow lods

Use this as reference

[west haven]

cheers bro

[short marsh]

Also for giggles, you can dreate a Ground model (I think I messed up here, just waking up), but the ground model I just uploaded. I'm not doing too hot this morning

Haven't had any caffeine so I'm a bit sluggish. But the first model is the ground model (as laying on the ground), and the second model is the actual model for the weapon

Where do I install the Arma Toolbox files in Blender?

[white oak]

Settings > addons > install from zip

[short marsh]

Thanks

[west haven]

that explains a lot i was wondering why

[west haven]

what does this one mean?

got it while trying to export my magazine

nvm figured it out

do i need a model.cfg for the rifle magazine if nothing in it is animated?

[west haven]

yeah i think i need a model.cfg, but what does one for a magazine look like?

[stuck oyster]

pretty much same basics as weapon has

skeleton for parts that move

inside the magazine

[west haven]

Not gonna have any moving parts

[stuck oyster]

section for camo selection

thats about it

If you dont have hiddenselectiontextures(camo etc) or moving parts I dont think you need one

you can animate the proxy to move with the guns animations

magazine might have animations to hide bullets when its empty and stuff like that

[west haven]

so a cfgSkeletons that looks like this and then some kind of cfgmodels?

[stuck oyster]

magazine and camo would not be bones

or magazine might be if you animate it

[west haven]

so keep that blank>

[stuck oyster]

but camo is a section

goes into sections[] arrat in cfgmodels class

[west haven]

is there a default magazine or nah

[stuck oyster]

no

samples never were updated for separate magazine unfortunately

[west haven]

so should this be fine as is?

[bright echo]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Magazine_Proxies theres some at the bottom of this page

[west haven]

the google drive ones? Huh, I didn't see this before

cheers man i didn't scroll down far enough on that one to see it since i thought it was the proper config stuff

huh, for some reason the textures still aren't applying. The model is working though at least

oh we are https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429652783977857034/1199772621454192740/20240125014712_1.jpg?ex=65c3c253&is=65b14d53&hm=253d47724a9bddd690fc6fb6e376f8f176190cc051b715a8909d8852f7e33069&

SO BACK

[stuck oyster]

fantastic!

[potent locust]

Hello everyone, can someone explain how it's possible that my model in the object builder looks normal with textures when I viewed in buldozer, but in the game I get a model without textures? Changing the texture doesn't seem to affect the display in the game... hm

[waxen moon]

Been experimenting a bit.I have made up some runway pieces using the Arma 2 pieces as a base to work from.I have been tinkering around for years trying to find a way to mod arma to adjust the runway/taxiways to be visible from further away.But i havnt found any classes or code to do it.Looked thru the core data files and no luck.What ive done this time is tried not using the class road inside the runway pieces.Works great.The runway pieces go by the object LoD's.But..The pieces dont reflect/refract light correctly even when baked into the terrain.Anybody know of a different class i can use iin the p3d to enable the correct lighting effects.Note, during day time everything is great.Its only when vehicle headlights are moving across them do the runway pieces without class roadway have this issue.Any ideas welcome.:)

Thanks!

[inland pawn]

Does your model have hiddenSelections setup?

[stuck oyster]

Do you get error message in game?

Missing texture usually indicates path to texture does not match folder structure inside the pbo

[neat iris]

Hiya, im trying to use an already existing model to import into arma.

Ive found a decent tutorial for all that,
but as im a complete newbie to blender, is there a blender guide on how do i split the model into vertex groups for animating

[white oak]

Blender's own vertex groups tutorial in yt

Toolbox also has a thing for creating vertex groups but thats more useful for creating groups of similar faces ie. Windows_1/2/3 etc

[neat iris]

Oh damn didnt even think about that,thanks!

Trying to split a gun so not many similiar faces

[west haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429652783977857034/1199997042567684106/20240125163928_1.jpg?ex=65c49355&is=65b21e55&hm=c360c74085392f1093d29f31cf2bf87e39d8bfff3ff6f5afa7fb9e38f76d390e&

miniscule

[main jasper]

isDiscrete = 1;

[icy dirge]

Why do i keep having this error ? Store_f\texHeaders.bin
1 File(s) copied
1 file(s) copied.
1 file(s) copied.
1 file(s) copied.
1 file(s) copied.

[potent locust]

Nope, it doesn't have

[potent locust]

No, there are no error messages in-game. As I mentioned it looks fine in Buldozer, which indicates that all texture paths are correct 🤔

And pbo archive was packed using mikero

[plush forge]

Anyone ever had buldozer stop providing you with the missing texture warnings when appropriate?

[charred bolt]

This?

[plush forge]

Huh. Never paid proper attention to that menu before. It was unticked for me. And I was mucking about with my P drive/Arma 3 Tools yesterday. Maybe that will do it.

Doesn't appear to be it sadly. Very weird. It's the path/to/my/cool/texture.paa can't be loaded message, that doesn't seem to want to pop up anymore even when a texture can't be loaded/is missing.

[stuck oyster]

now that you meantion it, I have not seen that error for quite some time either even with bad paths

[turbid pollen]

Anyone have good resources for developing a mod that adds a rifle? I bought a model of a KAC KS1 (The new L403A1), and I wanna make an Arma mod that adds it

[stuck oyster]

there are the Arma 3 samples on Steam you can use as reference

and tutorial series from El Tyranos, Sokolonko and Battlestad that can give you some starting points

[turbid pollen]

Do you have links to those? 🙂

[stuck oyster]

no

[inland pawn]

As long as you own ARMA 3, it’s in your library

[neat iris]

anyone know in arma 2 samples where to find the backpack models? looking to port them for my own use

[marsh canyon]

Weapons_E\AmmoBoxes and such

[neat iris]

interesting

thanks!

[turbid pollen]

was mainly meaning about the tutorials

but im struggling a bit here. im trying to follow this tutorial but a lot of the stuff being said is just going over my head lol

[civic stratus]

can someone do an animation like this one? http://imgur.com/gallery/1g0fVuh

[turbid pollen]

If I'm trying to make my model for the KS1 using Arma Toolbox in Blender, is there any official documentation or anything anywhere?
Basically, I'm struggling to find any way to add selection sets because the model isn't one big model, but a collection of smaller objects in Blender

[marsh canyon]

Do you mean you need to merge into one?

[turbid pollen]

Ah, new issue. Getting this when trying to export all my LODs as one P3D

[stuck oyster]

You need to add vertex groups. Separated objects don't matter, the exported can combine them into single lod on export as long as all objects are marked to be same lod.

But also no there is not much documentation

[stuck oyster]

As for this, well, it does not really say my unfortunately

[hollow fulcrum]

ermmm dunno.. but the "That's some Beijing levels of draw distance." comment i found funny.

supposing you could if you really wanted to.

[neat iris]

Anyone willing to import a model into basically .p3d ready mode from blender? I can pay a small amount if needed(DM)

[stuck oyster]

The importing part as in using ArmaTools can't be paid for as those tools are non commercial use only

You can use #creators_recruiting to ask. The template is in the pinned messages there

[neat iris]

cheers, didnt see that channel

[kind yacht]

Hello,

I'm having a problem that my object texture is not loading in when close to the object, from a distance it looks like the texture is loading. When i view it in the object builder its shows the texture with no problems.
Screenshots and config for reference.

[marsh canyon]

Well it's too obvious to point but are you sure your model shares same selection name?

[stuck oyster]

Does it have multiple resolution lod levels?

[marsh canyon]

The OB screen says so

[stuck oyster]

Ah didn't click the pic. Mobile shows it so small

Thanks @marsh canyon

Then most likely the 2nd lod does not have the texture assigned or the selection camo is not present like polpox mentioned

The model should have a default texture and material assigned.

[kind yacht]

Is that different from this screenshot of blender?

I did assign the textures in there.

I must add that this is the first time for me so im not known to all the ins ans outs of modeling 😛

[marsh canyon]

Hidden Selection Maker actually, does nothing (at the moment, also AFAIK)

So, make sure your Vertex Groups are all correct

[kind yacht]

For the different LODs i copied the first and decimated the model to have les verts.
Also im not sure if it is needed, but because i wanted to animate the lid i have 2 extra vertex groups for only the body and the lid. Could that cause issues?

[marsh canyon]

No but camo Vertex Group should cover all of the polys you want to retex

As long as the Vertex Group (in Blender)/Selection (in Arma 3) are not included in your Skeleton (model.cfg) it shouldn't be a concern

[kind yacht]

Oke the model has the camo and camo_signs vertex group with all the polys.
however, my model.cfg has the camo and camo_signs included. If i understand it right that could be an issue?

[marsh canyon]

Well the thing is relevant with CfgSkeletons not CfgModels

[kind yacht]

oh right, i was looking at cfgModels. My bad

[marsh canyon]

Oh wait you've already posted CfgModels 🤔 anyways

So the thing is, your closest LOD has the issue, right? I think I want to do these to make sure what can be the issue:

• Make a simple box/some polys in visual LOD(s), without having any texture/materials in your closest LOD, so you know the LOD itself is showing properly
• Make sure every visual LODs have the same name (probably you need to make sure upper/lower cases too, can't recall if it is case sensitive) for the texturable parts

[last spindle]

imagine going to the trouble of doing that, and then realising the magazine is empty.......great reload, but you got no ammo

[hollow fulcrum]

lol i also noticed this. did a decent job of giving a weapon some character though, the last few seconds was good.

[grizzled halo]

multimats require different vertex groups/selections right? Or can it be used to assign multiple materials to a single selection that requires different rvs?

[marsh canyon]

A polygon can only have one texture/material, if you mean that is the question

[stuck oyster]

Selections play no part in what texture, material is assigned on a mesh

Selection might affect a part of mesh and it's texture through hiddenselectionsTexture setup though.

But that is different from what is assigned on a mesh

[grizzled halo]

yeah, pretty much this. thanks

[obtuse rain]

Looks like https://www.youtube.com/user/HyperMetal101 's work.

Which is similar acid-trip level as deanosbeano's YouTube channel.

[crude knot]

Struggling figuring out hidden selections. I know how to make a vertex group but don’t know what the bones are or wether I can bind something to one and name the vertex group differently (as I’ve seen some mods do), how to make separate selections for the same object, or how to get multiple textures to work for one object

[stuck oyster]

hiddenselections related are separate thing from bones called sections

And typically a hiddenselection vertex group covers all of what a single texture covers

That selection can incorporate multiple animated selections stied to different bones

[crude knot]

Oh ok. So would I just duplicate the model but with different selections in the same p3d to make another hidden selection?

[stuck oyster]

No

Nothing is duplicated

You can check out Arma3 samples and the sample character for reference

[crude knot]

I think I’m starting to maybe understand. So, in the model, I would include the bones as vertex groups but I would keep the model under its own vertex group, and can path multiple textures/rvmats to the same vertex group? Sorry to keep bothering you, relatively new to all this

[stuck oyster]

Sure the whole model can be one vertex group that is used for hiddenselections purpose

[crude knot]

Ok. And if I wanted to make another selection, I would make a new vertex group including the stuff I want in that selection?

[stuck oyster]

Yes.

[crude knot]

Thanks a ton for the help, really saved me a headache

[stuck oyster]

But hiddenselections groups must not overlap with each other

[crude knot]

What do you mean?

[stuck oyster]

Can't have same parts of mesh in multiple hiddenselections groups

[crude knot]

Ah

[white jay]

ran into this issue where the selection tab (not sure what its really called) is gone by accident

ie i accidentally removed that one tab where you can select either a single vertice of entire mesh

again i dunno whats its called

is there a way to bring it back?

[stuck oyster]

Toolbar and menu boxes can be toggled in the top bar window menu

Some do have keyboard shortcuts to toggle them

Which is why they might get lost sometimes

[white jay]

fixed it thank you!

[neat iris]

whats the best tutorial for one looking to export a weapon model from blender to arma? as in-depth as possible

what ive found so far is either misses a lot of info, is outdated or the accent of the person is half the time hard to understand

[stuck oyster]

I think that is what we got I'm afraid.

[neat iris]

ah shit, guess ill have to try and figure it out with those

[neat iris]

the model needs to be correctly sized/aligned in blender, right?

[real crow]

You can use the arma samples to check the position

[stuck oyster]

Yes.

[stuck oyster]

The sample is pretty good starting point but depending on what kind of stock a gun has the model may need some moving around in its model

After that alignment is done, the weapon animation can be made for it

[neat iris]

neat! time to try and figure out how to add animations

[stuck oyster]

I recall there is a simple guide in #arma3_animation pins

[neat iris]

damn, thats an old video, but eh ill propably stick to using vanilla arma animations if i can rather than making my own

[stuck oyster]

Arma is old game.

Video age does not really change the technique

Only thing that may change is location of some buttons in programs (blender update)

But the buttons are not really hidden.

Even some OFP time tutorials are still valid

[neat iris]

yeah the blender ui is the only confusing thing but ill find my wau

[main jasper]

Any ideas my guy? @stuck oyster

[stuck oyster]

what was this again 😅

[main jasper]

@stuck oyster

[real crow]

Hey peeps, how can i make my custom rocket to revolve around its own axis when launched? Is out there any example i can look for?

[charred bolt]

.
class rocket_rotate
{
source = "thrustTime";
type = "rotation";
selection = "rocket";
axis = "rocket_axis";
minValue = 1;
maxValue = 65;
angle0 = "rad 0";
angle1 = "rad 36000";
};

[real crow]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[stuck oyster]

do you have soft weighting selections to need isDiscreet 1?

if not (all weighted selections are 100%) then you need to use isDiscrete 0

[main jasper]

No, all of them are weighted

[charred bolt]

Remind us what your autocenter property is set to?

[stuck oyster]

that too is solid question

[charred bolt]

You already asked it, but I didn't see an answer

[stuck oyster]

even solider

😄

[charred bolt]

and could explain why it works in buldozer and not in game

[stuck oyster]

starting to have its own gravitation field

[charred bolt]

When you have an Arma question and the only answer you can find by searching back is from yourself, you know you're doing something right/in big trouble/beyond hope

[main jasper]

Yeah forgot to put in the autocenter = 0 property. Doing so now and I'll check and get back to you

[charred bolt]

Taking bets for a fix message in 5...4....

[main jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/place-your-bets-now-people-saturday-night-live-sportsmax-bet-on-it-gamble-on-that-gif-19652904

[stuck oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/poker-chips-falling-scatter-gif-13583259

[main jasper]

You win

Thanks for the help

Don't know how I missed it

[charred bolt]

Confirming once again that HG is the GOAT

[main jasper]

Goat energy for sure

[stuck oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/power-up-goku-goat-tribe-goat-tribe-gif-24400266

[west haven]

Also just curious, Headgear/Facewear needs a modelled skeleton to work properly right

[marsh canyon]

Headgears and facewears uses pretty much same skeleton with regular characters

[west haven]

Ah, is that in the Samples?

[marsh canyon]

Samplex should have model.cfg too

So yeah

[west haven]

Oke thank

Kinda wanted to model my favourite set of earphones since they cute

[white oak]

Comtacs with cat ears

[west haven]

Nah

Pair of Moondrop Nekocakes

I bought the funny anime girl gun game versions

[grizzled halo]

just remember to weight them to the head selection and use autoCenter = 0 to avoid crotch head pieces

[woeful viper]

with sounds its even better^^

[west haven]

Oke

🫡

[pallid cape]

Do position proxies need to be included in the ViewGeometry lod?

I noticed in the Samples it is missing in the tank one but included in boat and car. Does this affect AI targeting them?

[stuck oyster]

I would say yes they should be in view geometry too

[grizzled halo]

hey guys,

Wiki mentions that shadowvolume lods has to be smaller than the main model to not occlude itself, but how small is small?
95% from original size is OK?

Also, how detailed can it go compared to lod 0 for example?

[subtle bison]

just small enough to not stick out over your vis lods

technically you can go as detailed as you want, but ... more polys = more performance impact, of course. also, many of those small details you won't really see later anyways

and then there is the occasional shadow bug, so you'd want to delete some elements anyways

i guess the tl;dr is -- slod should be as low poly as possible without missing out on major details

[charred bolt]

If you are using discrete = 1 in the model, then you also can benefit from bullet strike marks, but only if the shadow LOD surfaces are close to the first res LOD; increasing distance reduces bullet mark size until they are not visible (iirc).
So this is another reason to use an accurate SV0, particularly across large surface areas that is perhaps at around 98-99% of size, but doesn't poke through, and simultaneously is much lower poly. It's a difficult task to do well.

[turbid pollen]

This seems to be broken but I can't tell why
I've tried rotating the model 90deg, it just doesn't want to sit straight in the grip

The fact attachments & mags aren't working is something I'll fix over time

Any ideas why this might be stuck sideways?

[stuck oyster]

you probably have not applied the transformation done in object mode

export is by default discards any object mode transformations

[turbid pollen]

ah

how do I tell it to apply?

wait no

I've been exporting with apply all transforms

[stuck oyster]

then maybe you didnt make it point the right direction afterall

compare with the sample weapon perhaps

[turbid pollen]

I've rotated it to face every direction

And when I open it in Object Builder it shows up correctly vs the sample weapon

left is mine, right is sample

[stuck oyster]

you dont have geometry lod

thats a bad thing for starters

[turbid pollen]

haven't got that far yet, is that necessary for orientation?

[stuck oyster]

I do believe so

the geometry lod acts as sort of an root of an object in many cases

and contains named properties like autocenter that needs to be set correctly for things to work

[turbid pollen]

goootcha

ill need to add the named property myself wont i?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[turbid pollen]

giving it another go 🤞

Unfortunately not fixed, also firing upwards 😦

all looked good in object builder

[stuck oyster]

did you actually pack the pbo properly?

maybe you are running the old one still

[turbid pollen]

i'm using hemtt to build the mod, so it cleans and repacks on each run

just running hemtt launch

[stuck oyster]

where did you add the geometry lod at?

[turbid pollen]

ill manually clear it and try again...

[turbid pollen]

wdym? as in which tool did i add it with?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[turbid pollen]

in blender

i set the LOD to geometry

and all looks good in object builder

[stuck oyster]

did you add the named property autocenter with value 0?

[turbid pollen]

ah, i set it to 1

let me retry with 0

[stuck oyster]

also add a box for geometry collision and give it proper vertex group name (ComponentXX) and mass

[turbid pollen]

give it proper name
as in a vertex group called like Component01?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[turbid pollen]

(blender side)

cool

just trying to minimize my time in object builder as much as humanly possible lol

and mass
how do i do that? or are you on about the mass in the CfgWeapons entry?

[turbid pollen]

it didn't work, still sideways unfortunately

[charred bolt]

If you temporarily remove the muzzle break from the model and rebuild, does it show as missing?

[turbid pollen]

two secs..

[stuck oyster]

also mass in blender is set here

maybe I'll have to do some sort of tutorial about these things in the future

[turbid pollen]

what would be a good weight guide here?

this isn't something ive looked at until now, so i dont know what the scale is

[charred bolt]

actual weight in kg

[turbid pollen]

ah, gotcha

im so confused. the muzzle break is still there @charred bolt

[charred bolt]

So what that tells us is that your new pbo is not being loaded...

[turbid pollen]

which is weird, because i'm wiping my dev output before relaunching

[charred bolt]

you're possibly building it to the wrong location, or launching with the wrong folder

[turbid pollen]

i'm using hemtt launch

[charred bolt]

it's a thing that happens to every modder at some point!

[stuck oyster]

too often

xD

[turbid pollen]

hm. so how do i fix this? ive wiped the addon folder it builds to now and ill try relaunching but if that fails...

[charred bolt]

so go to where you think the new pbo should be created and verify it's date time stamp

[turbid pollen]

PS P:\z\pmcs> hemtt launch
 INFO Config loaded for PMC Sentinel 0.3.0.1-88b52992
 INFO Creating `dev` version
 INFO Rapified 6 addon configs
 INFO Built 6 PBOs
 INFO Copied 5 files
 INFO You can now use the dev folder at `.hemttout/dev` to test your mod with file-patching.
 INFO Launching "D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\common\\Arma 3" with: "-skipIntro -noSplash -showScriptErrors -debug -filePatching -mod=\"P:\\z\\pmcs\\.hemttout/dev;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\450814997;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\823636749;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\2461160363;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\463939057;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\1661066023;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\843577117;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\1875281645;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\894678801;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\2941986336;D:\\SteamLibrary\\steamapps\\workshop\\content\\107410\\1745501605\""

[stuck oyster]

unfortunately I got 0 experience with HEMTT so cant really comment on its behavior

the output here doesnt really say much anything

[charred bolt]

same, pboProject user here

[turbid pollen]

I didn't wanna use pboProject because of the way it handles dependencies

hemtt is also what ACE and CBA use, and I've used it in the past for purely config-driven mods

(namedropping them mainly to show "it's used by big mod teams so it's fairly well-maintained" moreso than "they did it so i did too")

[stuck oyster]

it is

it just expects you to feed it right stuff

[turbid pollen]

does arma cache PBOs anywhere?

[stuck oyster]

no

[turbid pollen]

hrm

[stuck oyster]

you are starting the game with filepatching on which could be a problem if you have different files loaded through that

[turbid pollen]

ah, possibly

lemme see if i can do it without

[stuck oyster]

HEMTT is good as far as I know, but to me it feels like poweruser tool

[turbid pollen]

im a software dev by job, so using hemtt made it feel more familiar to me

[stuck oyster]

[turbid pollen]

oh ffs

bad test

apparently disabling that part of the model in blender didnt remove it, because i forgot to disable the reslod on it

[charred bolt]

I would check the p3d in OB to make doubly sure.

[turbid pollen]

okay, right

ive double checked the p3d

now the muzzlebreak is gone, but still appears in game

[charred bolt]

Check your RPT and look for the list of PBO's being loaded

[turbid pollen]

21:27:48 P:\z\pmcs_dev\.hemttout\dev\addons\pmcs_ks1.pbo - 0.3.0.1-88b52992
...
21:27:49                                       PMC Sentinel |        .hemttout/dev |      false |      false |             GAME DIR | e80fe8cc57935c217f91e17fe76c131a7db40af9 |  13da49db | P:\z\pmcs_dev\.hemttout\dev

[charred bolt]

and check the date/time stamp on that exact pbo (double checking path)

[turbid pollen]

looks correct to me

[charred bolt]

it's possible to have a pbo in dev\ and also dev\addons\ and be writing to the wrong one

[turbid pollen]

nothing in dev

[charred bolt]

If you go mad and totally delete pmcs_ks1.pbo, does the game load and still show the weapon?

[turbid pollen]

trying now

erm... yes @charred bolt

[charred bolt]

It still shows the weapon? And the rpt doesn't show the pbo loaded? So can the weapon be inside another pbo?

[turbid pollen]

though with no texture and correctly oriented

[turbid pollen]

it's loaded a completely different pbo

right, retrying

found the issue in the launcher, ignore the different pbo thing

gave it an old path

okay right

now ive removed the pbo, it doesn't show up in the arsenal @charred bolt

[charred bolt]

was the muzzle break missing from the one with no texture and correctly oriented?

[turbid pollen]

no, that was from an old pbo

ignore it

[charred bolt]

but you were launching the new and the old (now removed) one all this time?

[turbid pollen]

no so

• HEMTT builds my addon to a local dir
• It uses that dir when it runs arma3_x64.exe with the -mod args
• The dir I was using when trying to run it manually having deleted the PBO was an old version of the mod. Different directory altogether.
• HEMTT was launching with the correct dir, it was a personal skill issue on my part

• I am now running it in the dir with the PBO deleted, hence the model disappears

Looking at how HEMTT was running Arma, I know it was using the right dir (i.e. not the old one)

[charred bolt]

Yet when you made a large visual change to the model (muzzle break) you didn't see it change in game?

[turbid pollen]

no. but i do in the P3D

[charred bolt]

Try changing the display name. You just need to verify that the pbo being built is actually being loaded and I'm not sure you're there yet.

[turbid pollen]

The display name of the CfgWeapons entry?

[charred bolt]

the name of the weapon

displayName =

[turbid pollen]

Okay. Changed, reloading...

Okay. It didn't change names

[charred bolt]

Just for an experiment use the Steam A3 launcher?

[turbid pollen]

Will do, 2s

Same issue

Still no name change

[charred bolt]

If you go to the in-game config viewer (recommend Leopard's Advanced Developer Tools) and find the weapon class name, does the "Addons" match with the expected pbo name?

[turbid pollen]

addons doesn't show up, lemme grab my normal command

@charred bolt

I checked my file, there are semicolons in all the right places

[charred bolt]

typo in command? sconfig...

[turbid pollen]

ah, you right lol

i get ["pmcs_ks1"], which is correct

[charred bolt]

Do you have anything overwriting the rifle config in a later loaded addon?

[turbid pollen]

Not that I'm aware of

[charred bolt]

does pmcs_ks1.pbo have any requiredAddons?

If you want to zip up the files and dm them to me, I could have a look in parallel

[turbid pollen]

👍 much appreciated. I'll DM

Sent -- check DMs @charred bolt

[charred bolt]

Issue potentially due to p3d errors and faulty set-up of HEMMT, as now working using pboProject to build.

• added missing Pilot LOD
• fixed missing textures/rvmats
• fixed non-convex Geo LOD and added mass
• fixed bad path to proxy
• added missing requiredAddons

[granite berry]

What is the point of "Land_" prefix? Does it do something?

I remember someone saying something about it being needed or doors and other animations wont work.

[foggy finch]

yes correct

any bulding that is animated - doors / ladders / ruins / has proxies will not work, also will fail pbopro's land_xx class check

[granite berry]

Alrighty. That does explain.. things : )

[foggy finch]

any building you have that you require a config entry for - editor placment for example, just use class Building; class myobject:Building {usual stuff goes here]

and anything with a class=house in the geolod requires a land_xx class

xx = p3d model name

[granite berry]

Yup I've got some working buildings I've made in past, I can use for reference. Just didn't remember to use the land_ prefix this time and anims didn't work.

[foggy finch]

ah well info is up there for anyone else wondering :D

[grizzled halo]

For people who have done nvgs, how have you overcome the problem of mounts?

Would you change the model depending if the unit wears a helmet with mounts like Rhino or any other rails?
Or people just do "universal" styles nvg items?

Perhaps is there a proxy somewhere to use with nvgs?

[stuck oyster]

its crap is what it is

xD

there is a mount reference base in the samples though

but yeah its not great

[tribal rain]

so im making a gasmask style face wear is there anyway to have it so when the characters mouth moves it doesnt warp and freak out the mask like this?

aka so his chin stays inside the confines of the mask

[stuck oyster]

no dont think there is

[tribal rain]

understood amigo a shame but it is what it is

[stuck oyster]

the mask should be made so that it can fit that in or move with it

[tribal rain]

in other words i need to make the chin segment bigger to fit the chin in it?

[stuck oyster]

Id do that yeah

[tribal rain]

copy that amigo thanks for the help!

also your help the other day with the glass texture really helped it looks much much better now!

[stuck oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cleaning-window-cute-cat-gif-21796268

👍 seems to be working now 😄

[quartz prism]

Is it possible to use proxys for buildings, which are placed on to the terrain?

[stuck oyster]

it is

but what would you want to proxy in?

[quartz prism]

https://i.imgur.com/dVDRD5u.png

Thats the Building and the rest should be proxys, but I have the problem that the proxy doesn't load, when it's placed on to the terrain

[stuck oyster]

what is the rest?

[quartz prism]

https://i.imgur.com/1tODJyh.png

[stuck oyster]

why would you proxy that in?

there is no benefit from this

[quartz prism]

because I have different color patterns for this one

[stuck oyster]

then you would just use different materials on the object

proxies have less visibility range too so it might pop out of view

its not the right way to make buildings

you might proxy in furniture

[quartz prism]

ok thx, it would be much easier, but then I have to paste them manually

[alpine charm]

Is there any common cause for the normal map not doing anything on the object? Or why is the texture detail much worse than on the CO image

[stuck oyster]

wrongly set up rvmat maybe

[alpine charm]

But the AS file is loading, i can see the shadows

[stuck oyster]

what texture suffix are your normalmap using?

prior converting to paa

and what file format you use?

[alpine charm]

Nohq

Paa

[stuck oyster]

on the source texture

[alpine charm]

Png

[stuck oyster]

and whats the resolution?

[alpine charm]

2048

[stuck oyster]

what is your texture quality video setting

[alpine charm]

now you got me. what do you mean?

ah you mena ingame

[stuck oyster]

yes

[alpine charm]

ultra

just for testing

[stuck oyster]

👍

rvmat could still have some issue.

what are you expecting to see and what do you actually see?

[alpine charm]

i will try to show you

[stuck oyster]

if you complete verification at #✔role-selection you should be able to post images here

[alpine charm]

i just realised i am using 4096 textures, could that be too much?

this is 1024 for a water tank

this in game, looks terrible

[stuck oyster]

well your normalmap looks bit weird. its all just fuzzy

how many plies is that object?

and yea 4K for object like this is a bitt excessive

[alpine charm]

the 4k is for a bigger one, this is 1024

plies?

[marsh canyon]

Typo of poly I assume

[alpine charm]

this is the 4k one

is for a mosque minaret

[stuck oyster]

what surface is it supposed to be?

[alpine charm]

looks flat ingame

this is supposed to be plaster

baked from blender

[stuck oyster]

buildings really should be done using multimaterial

and repeating texture surfaces

large surfaces like that just cant be done look good with single textures

[alpine charm]

ok, looks great in blender though

[stuck oyster]

doesnt matter

[alpine charm]

but for small objects like the water tank 1024 and super shader should be enough?

[stuck oyster]

perhaps

[alpine charm]

i have the feeling that the rvmat is not loading the textures though

thanks anyway. modelling is really hard, I have a lot of respect for the pros

[stuck oyster]

👍 keep at it! Its a lot to learn for sure

[white jay]

How do I get player collision working?

[stuck oyster]

needs valid geometry lod

[white jay]

Im slow where/how do i do that

[stuck oyster]

check pinned messages for my explanation of geomtery lod requirements

[dim mica]

http://pastebin.com/wGKGSgP3 could i get some help why isnt my ruin model working with my model?

[obtuse rain]

Saigon: If an object class name doesn't start with Land_ then when the .wrp is binarized it doesn't store the class name; it only stores the path to the .p3d and the map position/rotation/skew.

Which means anything remotely config related won't work on it.

[junior ibex]

Okay, preference question

Is 32 faces on a weapon reciever tube overkill?

For example, let's say I was modelling a Sten

Would using a 32 sided cylinder be unecessary detailing? Or is that the minimum

[west haven]

you can probably afford to do it given how simple a Sten is

I had 16s for my rifle barrels and such but it;s a much more complex model

[turbid pollen]

Started working on some personal reference stuff for working with weapons in A3 seeing as I've had all these issues with it, and realised it might be useful once I've fleshed it out more...
https://kuraudo.notion.site/Arma-3-Weapon-Modding-fc561538cd7c47f38a17b3977605c390
Could someone give me a read-through and point out any bits that are glaringly wrong or that I'm misunderstanding?

[turbid pollen]

You have multiple resolution LODs you can do, so you could have a really high-poly one when you're really up close with the model, but you could then have LODs for varying distances to optimize how many polys you need loaded for people who're further away

[stuck oyster]

view pilot lod can be set up in Blender.

but it does not contain the eye selection, that goes into memory lod.

[turbid pollen]

Yeah, it can be done in Blender, but it requires having two identical models if you don't need to change between reslod 1 and view pilot lod

[stuck oyster]

one can use linked duplicates in such case

[turbid pollen]

The thing I was mentioning in there is basically "don't duplicate the model in blender, do it in the P3D so you don't clutter your workspace"

[turbid pollen]

Oooh, would appreciate pointing in the right direction for that, would remove me needing to flick back and forth between OB and Blender

[stuck oyster]

but also the pilot lod can be optimized for nicer details near the eye

[turbid pollen]

Thanks, I'll move that info over to the memory lod section...

[stuck oyster]

could add something like this to explain how the proxy triangle works to position/align a proxy

[turbid pollen]

👍 I'll update that

[stuck oyster]

though depending on what direction the model that is proxied is made in the required direction might change

as weapons are created "sideways" and vehicles and characters are created facing "back" (-Y being the forward direction in Arma engine)

😄

fun times

so weapon proxies align like this

because why make it all too simple right 😄

[turbid pollen]

Yeah, because rotation of the vertex can't be read ;-;

Is this better @stuck oyster ?

correction: "the Z axis of the proxy object will be negative in game"

need to redo that sentence

[stuck oyster]

the red proxy is not exactly incorrect either

it just faces different direction

[turbid pollen]

For weapon attachments it is in most cases

[stuck oyster]

sure yea for that

[turbid pollen]

This section is mainly talking about accessory proxies

[stuck oyster]

be sure to write that down too

so people dont get confused

[turbid pollen]

👍

One more update to the diagram then @stuck oyster

[stuck oyster]

better yeah I think

also you could add pics something like these as example

[turbid pollen]

Yeah, I'll sort that, 99% of this doc is just pulled from memory from yesterday tbf lol

I'm not at my PC rn

[stuck oyster]

👍

these arent bones but memorypoints

[turbid pollen]

memory points, rog

[stuck oyster]

bones are selections that are animated through model.cfg

[turbid pollen]

Ah, like trigger_axis

[stuck oyster]

trigger_axis would be the memorypoint selection that defines the animated parts translation direction

but the bone would likely be called "trigger"

and the mesh part that the bone/animation moves would also be in selection called "trigger"

[marsh canyon]

Memories are usually to define hey you use this point to do X eg ironsight pos, casing drop place and of course, axes

[turbid pollen]

And the bone would exist in the memory LOD too? Or would it exist in the reslods?

[stuck oyster]

if some memorypoint would need to be moved by that animation yes the bone selection can be in memorylod

but it does not always need to be

memorypoints of child bones follow the parent bone animations if I remember right

[turbid pollen]

Okay, I think bones might just need to be something I revisit then tbh

in a few hours once i finish work

(i have nothing to do rn hence starting this doc lol)

[stuck oyster]

always nice to see people writing stuff up

[turbid pollen]

Basically, until asking around in here, I've been bashing my head against rocks trying to figure out how shit fits together because of lack of (or just sparse) official or community documentation

So this is my attempt at fixing that problem

[stuck oyster]

which reminds me

[marsh canyon]

Writing a 101 document is actually a skill 😅

Which I defo lack of

[turbid pollen]

It 100% is, it's probably helpful that 99% of the time if there's documentation at work, it's because I wrote it lol

[stuck oyster]

HorribleTip of the Day:

INSTALLING BLENDER ARMA TOOLBOX ADDON

Tutorial to set up Arma Toolbox for Blender V1.0

#arma3_model message

[turbid pollen]

[stuck oyster]

I made one too just rececntly

[turbid pollen]

I'm probably gonna do something similar, but GitHub is cool and lets you just slap /releases/latest on the end to go straight to the release page instead of the repo page

Kills people's ability to do a whoopsie and download the whole repo as a zip

[stuck oyster]

if I end up doing more I might do something like that

[turbid pollen]

https://github.com/alwarrensidh/armatoolbox/releases/latest should work

yep

straight to the most recent release

[neat iris]

how does one assign hiddenselections/correct textures in blender with armatoolbox?

[stuck oyster]

you just make vertex groups for the parts that hiddenselections need to affect

[turbid pollen]

^

hiddenSelections are just named selections that might get retextured and/or re-material'ed

[stuck oyster]

and assign default materials throught he material tab

a model should always have some texture and material assigned by default

even if variants use hiddeneselections to change it

[turbid pollen]

i was literally just writing "for my KS1 model I'm probably gonna remove the default texture"- lmao

nevermind that idea lol

[stuck oyster]

🚫

[neat iris]

so do those vertex groups then get named like "camo" and "camo1" or something along those lines

[stuck oyster]

yes

camo camo1 etc are commonly used selection names

but it can be whatever you want as long as it matches beween model and configs

[turbid pollen]

im going with camo_body, camo_handguard, camo_stock, and camo_grip for mine because each of those are textured individually on my model

[neat iris]

ah, now its starting to make a bit more sense

[stuck oyster]

that can be easier to understand for someone making a new variants and looking at config for which selection to change

[turbid pollen]

i tried making a 'megatexture' for the normal, metallic and normal, but i fucked up the UVs somehow

[turbid pollen]

yeah, that's what i was thinking with it too

[stuck oyster]

you would need 2 uvsets

[turbid pollen]

they're all individual objects so i was just changing the UV set to a different segment of the texture for each object

[stuck oyster]

as long as each object has 2 uvsets with matching names those would combine into 2 uvsets

when the thing is joined into single thing on export

[turbid pollen]

there's only one uv set currently

[neat iris]

thanks, i managed to maybe make it right for now

[stuck oyster]

if you want to use different uvmappings for different textures then you would need 2 uv sets

but typically thats not done

[junior ibex]

Does anyone here use 3DSMax?

[stuck oyster]

there are some who do im sure

[junior ibex]

I need a file converted to something more universal, I got it off Gamebanana, but it only comes in .MAX format, which Blender can't open

So I need it converted to .obj or .fbx

[turbid pollen]

@marsh canyon @stuck oyster ❤️

[stuck oyster]

[turbid pollen]

There are plugins to open 3DS Max files in Blender btw

They won't be 1:1 but they'll get you the majority of the way there

[junior ibex]

I haven't been able to find any, got any recomendations?

[turbid pollen]

Failing that I'm sure there's a converter somewhere out there to convert MAX -> FBX

[stuck oyster]

gamebanana

what model is it?

[junior ibex]

I'm pretty sure this isn't stolen, if that's what you're asking https://gamebanana.com/models/2431

[turbid pollen]

Believe anyconv.com can do max -> fbx conversions but ive not tested it

[junior ibex]

Nope, gets stuck

[stuck oyster]

it may be easier to find new model (or even make new one) at this point

[turbid pollen]

im at my pc now

[junior ibex]

Maybe, by the looks of some comments, I might just have to leave it converting on the site for a while

[turbid pollen]

@stuck oyster what's the memory point for using pip optics?

[stuck oyster]

there arent any. pip is done by different means

[turbid pollen]

well... eye works for ADS with iron sights but puts my camera in the barrel when optics are mounted

[stuck oyster]

vanilla optics?

[turbid pollen]

vanilla and ace, neither work

[stuck oyster]

do you have the sight proxy in the view pilot lod?

[turbid pollen]

oh, do i need to put all the accessories in the view pilot as well as the memory...?

[stuck oyster]

proxies dont belong to memory lod

refer to sample weapon

[turbid pollen]

ah yeah im dumb, need to be on the normal lod

ok

my bad then, think i just messed my lods up a bit

[charred bolt]

View Pilot is what the player sees in first person.

[turbid pollen]

also @stuck oyster you mentioned something about linked duplicate lods?

in blender

[stuck oyster]

Yef?

[turbid pollen]

How do I set those up for duplicating my first reslod to the pilot lod?

also, progress

[turbid pollen]

okay, so
my uv map for the metallic and normal maps are wrong currently... is there an easy way of fixing this?

[stuck oyster]

well I mean, its just making duplicate linked objecst and setting the second objects arma property to be view pilot

[turbid pollen]

oh, yeah, that's just what im trying to avoid doing lol

[stuck oyster]

arma does not use metallic/roughness

so metal rough textures are of very little use

[turbid pollen]

what's the SMDI?

[stuck oyster]

it was just discussed on the #arma3_texture

[stuck oyster]

linked duplicate means any edits will apply to all linked objects

so if you need to change something it will apply to the other lod too

[turbid pollen]

should i just drop the smdi texture in the rvmat then?

[stuck oyster]

but even if they were not linked it would be simple to re make the duplicate if you change something

[turbid pollen]

because otherwise i dont know how to make this not look crap lol

[stuck oyster]

well it kinda looks like your uvmapping is not right there

[turbid pollen]

.

[stuck oyster]

use same uvmapping for all textures

keep it simple

[turbid pollen]

i am as far as i know

[stuck oyster]

maybe you set wrong material for wrong texture?

[turbid pollen]

that uvSource="tex" line -- what does that mean?

[stuck oyster]

determines which uvset is used

you dont need to change that

as you dont gain anything from shared normalmap

since the parts are split into separate sections anyway

[grizzled halo]

speaking of, Ive noticed that some of my selections in a model lose their normals once I create a secondary version with retextured hiddenSelections. Is there a reason for this? Its almost as if they had lost their materials

[stuck oyster]

do you have default textures and materials set on the model

[grizzled halo]

yep

[stuck oyster]

do you change materials via hiddenselectionsmaterials in config?

[grizzled halo]

no, that I do not do, only replacing the CO

should I be doing it?

[stuck oyster]

no should not be required if the original on the p3d is supposed to be used

[grizzled halo]

yeah, its weird since it only happens on that model

i have another hiddenSelections on other p3d that work just fine

[stuck oyster]

off the top of my head cant think of anything specific that would do that

Id suppose you could try adding the hiddenSelectionsMaterials list to force the original

and see if that makes a change

[grizzled halo]

got it

[teal vale]

I'm trying to port a new character head into the game to no avail, I grabbed an existing mod to use it as a basis, unbinarized all of the files, rename all of them to use the new mod name, changed the model on Blender and it still shows invisible in-game. I also tried just grabbing an exisiting mod head and adding it to the mod and it still just show invisible event thought I went throught every possible file and made sure it's pointing to the correct textures and materials files

[stuck oyster]

unbidnarizing someone elses work as base is not the right way to go about stuff

and well it is stricktly forbidden thing to do

[teal vale]

even if it is for personal use?

[stuck oyster]

even so

[teal vale]

what

lmao

[stuck oyster]

or then you dont talk about it

like ask help to do it

[teal vale]

how else I am supposed to figure out how to do it? there isn't any guides

[stuck oyster]

starts from asking.

not taking

[teal vale]

I did

alright nvm, forget I ask

thanks

[stuck oyster]

no, I wont. but you have a chance to redeem yourself by starting properly from 0

and never take someones stuff again

[grizzled halo]

what a colorful person

[neat iris]

wouldnt it be easier to use the sample models for that anyway?

[stuck oyster]

the samples dont provide full example on adding a new head.

but it follows same rules as adding anything else

copying someone elses work however does not really teach the logic on how to understand configs and how they play together with models

[visual thicket]

sup guys, Just wondering if their is a snapping tool for UV map edititing in 3ds max ?

[stuck oyster]

ind addition people do quite a lot of bad practices one should not copy

[visual thicket]

The grid snap helps but vertex snaping could help alot more.

[woeful viper]

yes you can do grid snapping

go to preferences in UV editor there should be some snap area setting there

also enable snapping and the vertex snapping in model view... iirc

dont have it open atm...

[hollow fulcrum]

there are for sure buttons in those places that will allow such functions. ☕

[stuck oyster]

ask in #arma3_scripting this channel is for makin 3d models

[next ferry]

Oh shit my bad thanks

[stuck oyster]

Your base class you inherit from does not contain define for this

no

since you are trying to inherit also pylon2 there below

you need to setup your iheritance properly

not guess remove stuff

same issue

youll need to fix inheritances

[foggy finch]

ob has them aswell

one thing thats good about that infernal software

[visual thicket]

Thank you X3KJ =)

[finite stump]

Is a spot lights light beam a modeled cone or is it a scripting thing?

[marsh canyon]

Depends on the scripting in this context mean

[finite stump]

like the spotlights in game you can setup or like a light house light

[marsh canyon]

a3\data_f\VolumeLight.p3d and some equivalents in the same folder are used in vanilla lights

[neat iris]

using object builder, how you get for example "named selections" window as a popup? currently it is like this, but a video im watching has it as a separate window?

[marsh canyon]

Just drag and drop to somewhere on your screen

[neat iris]

doesnt work, cant drag it at all

huh

nevermind, it was buggy

onwards to next question; the test_weapon.p3d doesnt have bipod memory point, following a tutorial that uses it? is it named something else in this

[marsh canyon]

a3\data_f_mark\Proxies\Weapon_Slots\UNDERBARREL.p3d

[neat iris]

i cant open that in object builder so i cant copy it for memory(lod?)

[marsh canyon]

?

In order to put a proxy you don't need to open that P3D in OB

[neat iris]

proxy? im not trying to place a proxy, im trying to make bipod selection (point?) for the weapons memorylod

[marsh canyon]

Ah?

Damn looks like a dyslexic moment

[neat iris]

hah, it happens

[marsh canyon]

It is just a point in a memory

By default it is named bipod

[neat iris]

oh, huh, thanks

[marsh canyon]

And note that the weapon defined pivot will be overwritten by bipod's pivot bipod memory if your weapon has one

[neat iris]

it doesnt have one, but thats good to know thanks

[neat iris]

is there a good guide to model.cfg?
keep getting this error and i dont understand at all what i should do to fix it

nvm im a dummy

[grizzled halo]

I observed with a bit more of awareness the items in my mod that use hiddenSelections and now that I see them closely, ALL of them, are losing the rest of their maps beside their COs.

[grizzled halo]

there is indeed, sat down and watched how vanilla does it, its basically just clever positioning and hoping people dont notice the mount going through the helmet hahaha

[stuck oyster]

is the pbo binarized?

[grizzled halo]

that is correct

[stuck oyster]

check in game configviewer if there are some inherited hiddenSelectionMaterial parameters

also try what the https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getObjectMaterials command outputs

[neat iris]

"eye" is i guess the position of the "eyes "when aiming down sights?

[stuck oyster]

if its named that in the config too, then yes

"eye" is likely the default name in vanilla configs

[neat iris]

yeah, it is default name for that

[grizzled halo]

I will, ill let you know whats up later today

[turbid pollen]

Okay, I have gotten most things working on my KS1 now
Two things I have left that I can't figure out:

• The UV mapping issue with my non-colour textures (SMDI, Normal)
• How to make my iron sights fold

[grizzled halo]

iron sights folding are achieved using model.cfg and animationSources

[turbid pollen]

Ah, you got a wiki link or anything for me to find how to set those up?

[grizzled halo]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config

both can be checked here. Basically, an animationSource is an engine derived action that triggers simple animations, like translation and rotation, it could be a wheel, a door, a trigger, sights, etc.

[bleak heart]

When I add the Pylon code, the main rockets are invisible in the game. When I delete the Pylon code, it appears. What should I do? This code; https://hastebin.com/share/azigizowiq.kotlin || "4Rnd_UMTAS_AT" special rockets

Rockets connected by proxy

[turbid pollen]

much appreciated 🙂

[stuck oyster]

if you use pylons you only have pylon proxies in the config

then the pylon payload proxy is inside the pylon

[turbid pollen]

@stuck oyster do you reckon i should just ditch my smdi stage in the shader?

im having trouble with figuring out why the UV isn't applying in the correct orientation

[stuck oyster]

well if you want shiny and matt parts then no

[stuck oyster]

show UV editor in Object builder

show UVset list in Blender

[turbid pollen]

How do I get to the UV editor in OB?

[stuck oyster]

press the uv button in the top toolbar

[turbid pollen]

Blender:

object builder

...looks incredibly messy...

for context, this is the equivalent in blender

[stuck oyster]

how many textures do you have?

this uvmapping seems rather empty

[turbid pollen]

three for each individually-textured component, that list being:

• body (incl. sights, charge handle, dust cover, bolt carrier, trigger, fire selector, stock arm)
• stock
• handguard
• muzzle
• grip

the three i have are colour, smdi and normal for each of those

so 15 textures all in all

[bleak heart]

Can't I put my own rocket in the pylon?

[stuck oyster]

that is crazy

not good at all

xD

[turbid pollen]

it shouldnt affect the way the UV unwraps, surely?

[stuck oyster]

no but like its very bad design

[turbid pollen]

im gonna look at optimising textures later on, the uvs not aligning is the bigger issue for me atm

[turbid pollen]

for A3, sure

not for most other games anymore

[stuck oyster]

well this is A3

its bad for all games

[turbid pollen]

yes, this model wasn't bought for A3

[turbid pollen]

eh. most newer games can handle it i find

[stuck oyster]

A3 can handle it

but itll eat performance

it eats performance in the other games too

[turbid pollen]

regardless, this isn't something i consciously did, im just trying to make it work atm

ill optimize later, like i said

[stuck oyster]

how did you build the rvmats?

[turbid pollen]

mostly a copy/paste job from the a3 wiki

ambient[]={1,1,1,1};
diffuse[]={1,1,1,1};
forcedDiffuse[]={0,0,0,0};
emmisive[]={0,0,0,1};
specular[]={0.7,0.7,0.7,1};
specularPower=180;
PixelShaderID="Super";
VertexShaderID="Super";

class Stage1 {
    texture="z\pmcs\addons\ks1\data\ks1_body_nohq.paa";
    uvSource="tex";
};

class Stage2 {
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0.5,0.5,0.5,0)";
    uvSource="tex";
};

class Stage3 {
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)";
    uvSource="tex";
};

class Stage4 {
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,1,1,1)";
    uvSource="tex";
};

class Stage5 {
    texture="z\pmcs\addons\ks1\data\ks1_body_fde_smdi.paa";
    uvSource="tex";
};

class Stage6 {
    texture="#(ai,64,64,1)fresnel(1.3,7)";
    uvSource="none";
};

class Stage7 {
    texture="a3\data_f\env_co.paa";
    uvSource="none";
};

[stuck oyster]

what does the smdi texture look like when applied in blender?

[turbid pollen]

how do you want me to show it?

[stuck oyster]

add a texture node with the smdi and preview it

[turbid pollen]

this is how it all applies

but i also have like roughness maps and such on the model

[stuck oyster]

I want o see only the SMDI as color

[turbid pollen]

swapped body color to just the metallic map

is that helpful?

[stuck oyster]

Well SMDI is not really same as metallness mapping

[turbid pollen]

i mean the problem here isnt that my gun is too shiny or anything

it's that the uv seems to apply tilted

[stuck oyster]

oh

actually

ha

your rvmat is borked

youre missing uvtransformations

[turbid pollen]

do i need that? Thought there were default values for all of those

[stuck oyster]

get default super shader rvmat from p:\a3\data_f\

use that as base

[turbid pollen]

if anything, that seems to have made it worse

[stuck oyster]

maybe you got wrong smdi assigned in the rvmat

[turbid pollen]

i don't

if you look at the receiver, you'll spot the UV for the dust cover appears on the receiver itself just next to it

so they're the right textures

but they're applying wrong

[stuck oyster]

Apply the smdi as the color texture

to see how it maps there

in game or OB buldozer

[stuck oyster]

well that is not good

[turbid pollen]

the confusing thing to me now is that the colour texture is fine