arma3_model

[civic stratus]

uhhh

I guess not

just read this response from gnat: "Turns out its the "balance" of points in the MEMORY LOD. (yeh, not logical right! )
Just added a bunch of unnamed points forward of the nose ..... bingo, now sits normal on the ground."

but ill add your driveoncomponent

[wispy orchid]

hmm, is that an arma3 observation? Gnat been inactive for quite a while now

[civic stratus]

well he used driveOnComponent, which I'm assuming is for arma3 (havnt seen it before)

is that for planes only?

my car's still a little lopsided

[jaunty rune]

direct, what kinda of map is it?

[wispy orchid]

not sure if it makes sense in a car, I didn't find a reference to it in the car config guidelines, https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Cars_Config_Guidelines

[civic stratus]

i didnt see it in there either, i dont think it makes sense either lol

[pastel fern]

It 100% will cost performance, depending on the amount of rocks nearby.
I know from personal experience on maps like Esseker and one other one I can't remember right now, there were these "cave" / "mountain" sections that put you from 100 FPS to roughly 2. Later we confirmed it to be the rocks and nothing else by further testing

[wispy orchid]

while it's from another airplane thread, are your wheels in the geo lod and have mass applied to them?

[civic stratus]

yes

I double checked, the mass for the wheels are all the same

[woeful viper]

using thousands of individual objects for making large land features will do that, yes. That's why you are not supposed to do that 😛

[pseudo elbow]

Still I wonder if these rocks are fixable without being performance killing. They're such a headache, they look walkable but they bump you away and if you step into them with V you're in a lot of trouble.

I can make a script to find places with largest amount of these rocks around so its possible to measure FPS without them fixed and with them fixed

Teleport player to set of predefined positions and orientations to first measure FPS there, then same with fixed rocks

[stuck oyster]

might be more effort than the current A3 improvement team has to put into it. but as community effort when A3 Datapack releases I see why not

[civic stratus]

also, on an unrelated note, I'm trying to accomplish the same thing this guy is: http://www.armaholic.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=10579 I was hoping someone had experience with using clockHour as a source for hide animations

[plucky patrol]

Hello, I am trying to make an example object to put it in game but when it is in game it seems that the object does not remains on the ground, it is a little inside the ground. https://imgur.com/QmGD7wH and https://imgur.com/EUU157A I do not know what the issue is, any help please ?

[runic plover]

Do you have a pic in OjectBuilder or Blender? Looks for me like you dont have it at 0 line.

Also as little help, you might do smooth edges and make some conture lines sharp edges only

[plucky patrol]

First pic si from object builder

[stuck oyster]

Raise it up a little or make the bottom thicker.

[plucky patrol]

I was thinking at this to

[plucky patrol]

It worked ! 🙂 Thanks for the tip https://imgur.com/L4uALU4 So this is my real soup plate 😄

Now I i have it in Arma to 🙂

[stuck oyster]

👌👌

[plucky patrol]

And this is with smooth edges https://imgur.com/v23v5Om

[jaunty rune]

if i am only doing a interior for a building as to hide the outside under rocks or something should i bother deleting exetior geometry?

[runic plover]

Better
Now make the real edges sharp, just select one row of vertices and make sharp (do not select faces)

As example, this was all smooth

Made the vertices sharp of the "hole" part

[south thorn]

@still trail That cruise missile video is awesome, thanks for sharing :)

[errant pumice]

hey guys, please help. How do I make _as texture less saturated, so the rooms are not so dark during daylight?

In RL rooms are very dark, but A3 shading is crap and characters can be easily spotted in them (way too bright, they dont get proper shades thrown on them):

so I need to avoid these dark rooms because engine cant handle them

[errant pumice]

slowly getting there 😉

[rose breach]

Hey yall quick question, seeming to have issue with this proxy appearing. There is no texture applied when I check under the object builder so I'm not sure how to get rid of it. Any ideas?

[charred bolt]

In Object Builder, copy and paste the proxy into a new empty LOD.
Check what name selections it has.
Often "camo" type selections can be the issue.

[rose breach]

I'm just getting Pelvis and Proxy pathed to the default a3 holstered pistol

[stuck oyster]

its likely just extra tiangle

like deleted proxy selection but not the mesh

[rose breach]

I delete it, fuck it we ball

Yep that just works. Thank you.

[tacit shard]

Looks like you figured it out but just in-case you want some more info.

Adjusting green channel in Photoshop using the levels tool is the easiest way, however ideally you want it to be reflected in your bake so its not a destructive work flow so that really depends on your baking tool,

I tend to bake buildings in Substance Painter and the value you're looking for in there is 'Max Occluder Distance' under the Ambient Occlusion options. You want this value to be quite low I normally go for something around the 0.1 mark but you can go higher/lower depending on how much AO you like / looks good.

If you have this value to high it will basically occlude the entire interior of the mesh making everything inside dark and thats what gives the effect of everything else being too bright as the objects / players are only as dark as they would be in the normal shadow of the building outside.

If your baking in something else like Marmoset, Blender, or X-Normal you will need to find whatever that setting is called in that program

[errant pumice]

Thanks Jack

yeah I bake in Blender as I cant afford SP right now

with TexTools

i set the levels to 50-200 in TGA so that fixed too dark rooms

[tacit shard]

From a quick google it looks like the parameter is called Ray Distance in TexTools and can be found under the preview texture panel but not 100% sure if thats the right one as I'm not familiar with it, I would try lowering / increasing it and seeing what it does ideally your AO should look something like this.

Thats a lovely looking building though great work with it

[errant pumice]

RL looks crappy too 😉

[old gulch]

Nice

[tacit shard]

It’s a damn good recreation of it though looks brilliant.

Feel free to send me a message if you ever need anymore help with building related things I’ve got quite a lot of experience with them in ARMA

[livid canyon]

Trying to see why my vehicle animations seem to work well in Model viewer, but not at all in game, with animationNames _vehicle >> []. Which possibilities should I be checking first, short of dumping model.cfg and cfgvehicles here?

[tranquil spire]

can I have multiple cartridge exit points?

nabojnicestart, nabojniceend

unsure if its more of a model question or config

ok I've found my answer, for posterity...

create a new effect under CfgCloudlets, with particleShape = cartridge model, assign moveVelocity[] for each axis * negative coefficient
reference that new effect on a new GunParticles, position and directionName are your memory points in the model

[deep basalt]

Hey there, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but I am looking for someone who might be interested in doing some model comissions, specifically backpacks for an unannounced mod, would anyone here be interested in such a thing?

[old gulch]

I believe you're looking for #creators_recruiting

[deep basalt]

danke

so many channels x-x

[thin wigeon]

goat_sacrifice++... I'm going crazy, or a senior moment, what the heck forces a model to be placed vertically in ed3n, e.g. PowLines_Transformer_F? I tried adding the

class SimpleObject
{
eden = 0;
animate[] = {};
hide[] = {};
verticalOffset = 9.022;
verticalOffsetWorld = 0;
init = "''";
};```
which I thought forced it with all those verticals.. no joy 😦

[woeful viper]

"vertical" is a poor description for arbitrary model shapes in 3D space , with 6 degrees of freedom...
describe what you actually want (X,Y,Z, translation, rotation)

[thin wigeon]

wow, ok, let's try non-conforming to ground , and perpendicular to sea level. "vertical" being the classic definition of the word, one in which an object is not tilting in a translated kind of way relative to its original orientation when placed upon a surface, regardless of the surface's orientation. how many other definitions of vertical are there, out of interest?

In this case, I'm making a new power pylon but unlike the stock one, mine is conforming to the terrain regardless of the overrides in eden.

[woeful viper]

like this?

that behaviour is set with a setting in your geoLOD

[thin wigeon]

no, that's the behaviour I'm getting - it's always conforming to the surface regardless of the snap settings, I want the thing to be always pointing up true (like if you got a spirit level on it) so it's not doing that - like RL pylons in fact.. in my geolod I've got placement=vertical which I thought just did that - or are you saying that does what your picture shows?

I also have a landcontact and I just realised that's (one of )my problem(s) isn't it. I just removed that LOD and now I can get it to reset back to vertical after placement by raising it above the surface after placing it. So still not quite right but better than I had. I haven't done any modelling like this before so pardon my obivous ignorance, there's still something the vanilla one is doing that I'm not though.

[woeful viper]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Named_Properties#placement
thats what i know of. Not sure how/ if eden placed objects abide to this.

[thin wigeon]

I think I might be getting confused with what "vertical" does with placement. I'm just taking it out and trying again - it's very light on the detail (added for RADAR - wtf?) in the wiki which is why I'm asking stupid questions here 🙂 But it looks like all those other options are to do with conforming to the gound. So maybe vertical doesn't mean vertical.

[stuck oyster]

disable the ground follow placement in the toolbar

try these

[thin wigeon]

Mr Goat, I did that, but when I initially place my model it's ALWAYS tilty, if I ALT-drag it up it suddently gets the idea and goes properly vertical. But the in-game items like PowLines_Transformer_F just "work" first time. I must have dones something really stupid, just can't seem to find what it is. But I am guessing that any reference to placement=vertical doesn't do what I thought it did?

nope, just took out placement=vertical and it's still behaving the same. In my geolod I now have:

forceNotAlpha = 1
map = power lines
damage = house
class = house

I removed the landcontact LOD and other than that I have 4 view LODs, a geom, and a roadway so far. Is it all going wrong becuase I havent made the view/fire LODs yet? I didn't think that mattered too much?

[woeful viper]

you should, because if you just have a skinny power pole where nobody can hide behide, you should have an empty view Geo Lod

but its unrelated to placement

[thin wigeon]

Yes, absolutely agree, sorry, didn't phrase my question right, I meant of course to this placement issue.

OK, I'll create an empty view geolod, I'll see if that makes the magic happen.. I just feel I must be doign something so stupid that all you guys wouldn't even think of it

[woeful viper]

back "in my days" i would have checked what named properties the geoLOD of the vanilla pole had (using eliteness from mikero)

[stuck oyster]

form samples test lamp

[thin wigeon]

oh, ok, so placement = vertical gets a look in there, although it didn't seem to do anything for me - and the wiki helpfully says it's something to do with RADAR! ok, I'll try anything at this point - I'll make my p3d identical to a table lamp. Before I do that, one more wildcard - the model is 61m high, but vertical isn't an issue, is it?

[stuck oyster]

radar bein always placed vertical for X reason

height should not matter

you can try packaging the sample lamp too

and see how it behaces in comparison

[thin wigeon]

makes sense.. I want one of those, so back in my placement = vertical goes. stand by.. this is going to be such an anticlimax when I find out finally what's going on
good idea on the lamp packaging - it would rule out any shenanigans, I think I'm up to date with mikero tools free but you never know.

[stuck oyster]

when put in P:\sample_f,.. the samples should package fine

well there may be some inheritances in model.cfg and such that may need correcting if memory serves

[thin wigeon]

I never thought of actually compiling them, how strange.

[stuck oyster]

😄

[thin wigeon]

good bit of lateral thinking - test_lamp behaves the same way as my pylon if I just drop in the p3d in place of it. So it's something weird going on in my config, not the p3d. There's not that much of it - but just to rule out some wierdness in my system I'll now package the whole arma samples... stand by...

[stuck oyster]

there may be a config value for the placement too now that I think of it

what class do you inherit form?

/what simulation type is your pylon

[thin wigeon]

I put it in my buildings class, so it's inheriting from HouseBase, I'm sure this worked for my other buildings but now I'm not so sure

I just realised the examples use House so that's next on the list

I'm not even sure where this HouseBase came from

well paint me red and strike me down, I changed the inheritance from
class House_F: HouseBase
to
class House_F: House and guess what, it all works. This has just corrected something I fumbled about with back in 2014-ish when I had even less of a clue than I have now. It appears every other mod I made was using the correct inheritance. Good call with the lamp, Mr. Goat. Sometimes some basic fault finding goes a long way, but I really couldn't see the wood for the trees this time!

goat_sacrifice++; 🙂

[stuck oyster]

keepHorizontalPlacement=1; in configs

[thin wigeon]

oooh, ok, I'll add it in too for good measure. Just configs and not geolod?

[stuck oyster]

geolod properties are mainly for TerrainBuilder

config parameters are for mission editor/live in game placement

[thin wigeon]

aaah, never realised the difference, so if you want to cover all bases then duplicate the properties in both?

[stuck oyster]

well they are a bit different on each but yes

[cloud zealot]

How do we make a handgun holding animation ? For a rifle, i understand i attach my rifle model to the weapon bone and just place the hands on the correct position around the weapon bone. But for a handgun, there is no handgun bone, which bone am i supposed to use ?

[stuck oyster]

handgun proxy

[thorn spire]

If ill.make lets say camo.net

Which is basically just a shaped plane, can I just create the small grid.hole texture with Alpha

Or should I cut the.mesh

[livid canyon]

Animations work in Model Viewer but in game animationNames _veh returns [] and no animations happen.
I've cut everything except 2 animations from model.cfg and still can't seem to get it to work. Any suggestions?
https://pastebin.com/AccAm4rv
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080854001265954828/1081040900081336360/image.png

Fixed by not using tools from over a year ago...
-.(\

[cloud zealot]

Are the proxies in Blender the same as those in Object Builder ? Can i make the animation using only ArmaRig or do i have to use object builder ?

[stuck oyster]

the arma rig can be used to make the animation

it just does not have the pistol proxy present in the rig. You can take the sample character and see the pistol proxy on it tied to the right hand bone and project your pistol object on it

its a bit difficult process I admit but it is possible

[stuck oyster]

😅

[rough idol]

@woeful viper use gunnerType in turret class

they introduced it in 1.42 I think

[still trail]

Did Mankyle ever release his LCS-2 as an MLOD?

[last spindle]

@white jay You should use an alpha texture, the amount of holes in a camo net will not make for a performance friendly object if you cut holes in the mesh, you could of course, but best to stick with a alpha texture
The tactical ladder is done with segments that extend out via custom animation sources, i would think the best approach for a bangalore is to just have a single object, memory points at both ends, and then attach them together by a script

[versed rune]

New to the modeling part of arma. Exporting my model from blender in scene units that fit with the height being ~18cm. But when imported into O2 and put down ingame, its like a a factor 10 bigger. I can "just" scale it down by factor 10, but I would really like to understand the relationship between units from blender to O2 first, instead of just "winging" it.

I don't know how to check the scale of it in O2.

Images from blender, O2 and Ingame. I know the texture are also fucked in some way, but thought that I would get scale correct first, then see whats going on with the textures! 🙂
https://imgur.com/a/nx98nIy

[tranquil spire]

I'd recommend you use the MeasureIt addon within Blender to make sure its correct, afaik the dimensions are 1:1

[versed rune]

Thanks! Did not know that existed. Just enabled it in addons. Gonna google to see how to use it.

[stuck oyster]

should not need any addon for measurements. Just make sure the objects scale is 1,1,1 when you export AND use the armatoolbox addon (pinned messages) to export directly to P3d

[tranquil spire]

I suggested it because I didn't know how they were measuring before

[stuck oyster]

1 blender unit equals 1 unit in OB = 1 meter

[versed rune]

I am using the arma toolbox for direct export to p3d. That part works well.

[stuck oyster]

then your object mode scale is not applied

[versed rune]

Hmm. Can it be because I changed the unit scale under scene, instead of actually scaling the object physically. Not quite sure how the unit scale in "scene properties" applies to the export, if it does at all.

[stuck oyster]

yes that would likely cause it

such settings dont apply on export

use edit mode to scale and edit the model

[versed rune]

ahh, that could explain it. So I should keep the unit scale on 1:1, and just scale the model so it fits within that scale.

I'll try that

[stuck oyster]

keep object mode in 1.1.1 (at least at export)

[versed rune]

another stupid question. Is z down when exporting models? Noticed that when my model "stand up" in O2, then it lies flat in the world in arma. But if I rotate it 90, so it "lies down" in O2, then it stands up ingame. So a tad confused about the orientation coordinate system in O2.

[stuck oyster]

what type of model did you make?

[versed rune]

equipment. Think of it as a radio model

[stuck oyster]

and Blender UP is also OB up

[stuck oyster]

just as a reference, best help is given when information is exact. But so item

so do you mean its sideways when you drop it?

[versed rune]

fair point. New to the modelling part. Was unsure what info that would make sense. Its a handheld "misc" item that is about the size of a tfar radio.

So trying to figure out the relationship between the O2 orientation and how an item is placed on the ground, when dropped.

An orientation where it "stands up" like this in O2, makes it lie down ingame.
If I rotated it in O2, so it looked like the last image, then when dropped ingame, it would "stand up" instead of lie down. Feels like the ground-plane in O2, is a plane that is vertical, instead of horizontal. If that makes sense?

https://imgur.com/a/y7bFvDz

[stuck oyster]

well there isnt really hand held misc item type thing

but itmes work different on ground as they are placed inside a ground holder object as proxies

and sually things are placed sideways there

due to well, thats how things usually lie down

[versed rune]

okay. Not sure how to describe it then. xD
ohhh okay. That would explain it

[stuck oyster]

basically if you want something to show in hands it needs to be a weapon

[versed rune]

Yeah, that is fair. Was just confused if my understanding of O2 coordinate system was off, but makes sense that arma would let items lie down, as that is how they would usually work.

Can confirm. Scaling the actual object down instead of the scene units did the trick for that. Cheers for the help!

Now I just gotta figure out why my textures are not mapped correctly onto it. 😅

[stuck oyster]

arma toolbox adds a separate dialogs for the blender material where you can add texture and material paths that then get written on the model on export

and Arma supports only 2 UVsets and mainly uses only the first one

[versed rune]

I used Substance painter for the texture after UV unwrapping it in blender. The texture do show up, just not the right things on the right parts. I think something might have gone wrong in the mapping somewhere.

I did add the texture and material paths through the arma-toolbox plugin. (Very nice plugin btw!)

[stuck oyster]

we can all give thanks to mr Alwarren for the boon granted to us

likely it means you have somehow mismatching uvmapping yeah

[versed rune]

yeah. Refreshed the mesh, and its also off in substaince painter now. Gonna redo it.

[stuck oyster]

if you check UV editor in Object Builder how many UVsets does your model have?

[versed rune]

only 1, from how I read it. With everything on object selected it just gives me one uv map on the uv-map screen. I think something might have gone wrong with my colour_map from blender.

wait a minute. When I exported the FBX file its set to "-z forward, and Y up".... That doesn't seem right.

[stuck oyster]

mesh orientation does not matter for uv export

[versed rune]

ah. Because its still mapping specific parts of the uv-map to faces, so as long as that mapping is correct it doesn't matter how its oriented?

[tacit shard]

IIRC Y is up axis in Object Builder while Z is up in a lot of modelling programs so it’s just converting it.

[versed rune]

yeah. Used to z-up in inventor iirc

[versed rune]

Seemed like an updated p3d with new uv-mapped texture did the trick. Works as a charm now! Cheers for the help to get the workflow understood!

[stuck oyster]

[cloud zealot]

i will try that

Why does an animation defined with CfgMovesMaleSdr stops at the last frame ? Why doesn't the character return to stand position ?

[stuck oyster]

how is the animation played?

[cloud zealot]

using switchMove, the animatio is not looped

[stuck oyster]

thats the nature of switchmove I suppose

[cloud zealot]

hmm, i'll use the gestures then

But when i use

player switchMove "AmovPercMstpSnonWnonDnon_EaseIn";

the player doesn't stay on ease position, he automatically switch back to normal position at the end of the animation. Why ?

[stuck oyster]

first off #arma3_animation 😅

and in there, please explain what exactly are you trying to do

[cloud zealot]

Oh my bad, i thought i was on the right channel

[thorn spire]

@last spindle right, I would like to have it like in irl, like u would be shoving it in

Im not.sure what you mean by attaching the men points together

You.mean by script

That the mesh extends from mem point if I did understand

[livid canyon]

What could be causing a collision here? I've deleted the wings from Geometry, Geometry Phys, and even Fire Geometry and Hit-Points LODs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCSnxF6BAg

[charred bolt]

Try config.cpp:
mainBladeCenter =
mainBladeRadius =
tailBladeCenter =
tailBladeRadius =

As per cars, where physx interaction of wheels on ground is handled purely by physx config code, probably same with helicopter blades.

[livid canyon]

mainBladeCenter = "Rotors_center";
mainBladeRadius = 13;
tailBladeCenter = "Rotors_center";
tailBladeRadius = 13;

omg. spelling doesn't match

[stuck oyster]

Ornithopter?

[livid canyon]

Yeah!

[woeful viper]

you have a lot of tiny components in physx... consider if they are really necessary. Not everything needs perfect representation. Normaly physx lod should only consist of 1-3 components, not 20

[livid canyon]

Will cut down that stuff for sure.

[charred bolt]

True that you should keep it as simple as possible particularly in regard to small components, however, check out a lot of BI vehicles and you'll see many have more than 20 components, often 30 or more. Things have changed since early A3 days I suspect when initial models and guidance was written. The physx LOD needs detail to best represent collisions not only with other physx objects but also thrown items such as grenades, so making it too simple is also not desirable.

[woeful viper]

you need holes in windows if you want grenades to go trhough, yes, but that's the only use case, and that doesnt seem to be the case for his model

[pulsar mortar]

short memo for model makers

dont neglect roadway lods

examples...

do:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/642120405098426653/D2D2943F4E274821DAB1C3227C6AA3D82E308AC8/

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/642120319965203251/60ED25B0EFF255B3B2C14F75D3671B45AC551B43/

dont:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/642120405098438603/FBDB9C01501E613139458D804B7CBE95CFE4CC9B/

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/642120405087779962/B5333E99CE81A13C43FDEFFB2A87BA1EA57CAB0E/

[jaunty rune]

what is that?

[pulsar mortar]

compairsion

objects lacking roadway lods and objects WITH roadway lods

no roadway lods = teleports you into glitch nirvana

roadway lods = natural colission control as it is supposed to be in fps

[jaunty rune]

ok im just slightly confused why everyone is floating

[tired bramble]

Because there are no roadway LODs. :P

[jaunty rune]

i got that now just never seen that before

[pulsar mortar]

because usually you arent even supposed to move up things

its called realism

in reality you cant move up things

so BI decided not to bother with roadway lods, and the community often addapts the design standard

ohh wait

i double checked

im standing on my table right now

forget why i said, its actually possible to climb things, therefore things should have roadway lods

ingame too

:)

[tired bramble]

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but weren't there cases where roadway LODs on vehicles caused severe performance impacts? I seem to remember @hollow fulcrum demonstrating it with one of his boats.

[pulsar mortar]

they conflict with chopper rotors afaik

but thats neglectable

for gameplay, though it matters if you are able to climb on a table or a car

(given you want to use a movement mod that allows you to)

[tired bramble]

Yeah, I'm aware, just figured the reason was more than just neglect. :P

[pulsar mortar]

hmmm

thats a good question

however, many mod teams do add roadway lods deliberately

to wheeled/tracked vehicles and buildings

if it does really have a negative impact on performance

it would be very sad

[tired bramble]

Yep. On the other hand BI specifically avoided it on their choppers.

And if I remember correctly 2 boats with roadways coming close to eachother tanked FPS.

[wraith tendon]

Yep, i remember that Video from.... insertNameHere

[pulsar mortar]

imgo choppers are not really of concerne, unless someone bothers to create a proper "get chopped into slices" animation for copper climbers :)

[jaunty rune]

anyone have a reccomendation for my previus question?

[pulsar mortar]

ah ok, it would be nice to know exactly what causes fps drops in that department and what does not

do you have a link to the video?

[tired bramble]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=21760

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOEty-nRh6M

[pulsar mortar]

AELF!

(arma engine limitation frustration)

[tired bramble]

Holy shit, the end bit.

Reminds me of something I recently encountered.

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=25665
Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraxY6RqWrc

[pulsar mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXB_N8YmTFo

it has all implications

[tired bramble]

Collision detection in RV was always bad. It's a shame the "hovering" anims were introduced so sloppily.

[pulsar mortar]

its so shortsighted

[tired bramble]

Pick a problem, I'm sure I can link a ticket. :P

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=20752

[pulsar mortar]

:P

[jagged tusk]

my biggest annoyance is that when you rotate in place you rotate around a point slightly in front of your feet

[tired bramble]

They're slowly unfucking that.

[jagged tusk]

so it's possible to stand stock still and rotate yourself off of the geometry

[pulsar mortar]

voted

and put to signature

[tired bramble]

Even tho most people warned against that, it's being reversed and even improved slowly @jagged tusk .

[jagged tusk]

yay, I guess

[pulsar mortar]

btw the status of the ship phsx this is "need more info"

[tired bramble]

^_^

[pulsar mortar]

funny how that status after athe most possibly detailed video

i understand that there are mayne construction sites

[tired bramble]

The QA is focused on problems caused by BI stuff, hence when no repro case can be made with default addons, QA often puts lower emphasis on it.

[pulsar mortar]

but there are related problems with movement and animation and fatigue/stamina, if one get tackled it should be an all area assault and then be be checked on the to do list

i see

[tired bramble]

I had to put immense emphasis on why the damn Arsenal <empty> for launcher attachments not working should be fixed, after their reasoning that no default launchers have attachments.

[pulsar mortar]

btw i wished there where a arsenal button in the eden interface finally

[tired bramble]

I haven't checked the state of that on dev recently, but they plan to do that AFAIK. Anyway, it's OT here. :P

[pulsar mortar]

jep

anyway, regarding roadway lods, it shouldnt affect buildings and wheeled/tracked vehicles

[fierce breach]

does anyone know why there is blue texture instead of green

[pulsar mortar]

and once a vehicle is released without roadway lods, chances are generally slim that they will be added afterwards, so it should be a consideration for anybody with regarding projects

[marsh canyon]

Blue? Green?

[runic plover]

I think you mean purple/pink instead of blue

[vast tulip]

is this a model or texture issue?

my theory is either my double sided "flat" planes have messed up or my AS isn't working

as its only in shadows

if anyone knows feel free to ping me

[thorn spire]

I still wonder the.idea.o having linear charge, since I think explosions in arma work differently

Is it memory point(s)?

Been looking for.config but cant find.any, so I got no.idea. How to create satchel for.example

[ember heart]

perhaps that question is not for modeling channel

[thorn spire]

silly me

[fluid copper]

@vast tulip Remove the rvmat and see if it fixes it, then you'll know

[quick terrace]

is there a config channel?

@white jay - you mean all new building models or anything else

[pulsar mortar]

hm?

i just generally wanted to raise awareness that things should be walkable in prionciple

unless it breaks the game

like in case of choppers

and boats apparently

[plush rune]

I've been fixing it for 4 hours straight

I'd be appreciate if someone can help me

Btw I'm using Blender, Substance painter, Object Builder for model

[stuck oyster]

HorribleTip of the Day:

HEADGEAR BASIC REQUIREMENTS

Helmet to work it needs:

#1 Weighting to "head" selection (vertex group/named selection)

#2 Autocenter 0, named property in geometry lod (and other correct lods [refer to Arma 3 samples on steam])

#3 model.cfg connection in class cfgModels in form of class nameOfP3dFile myCoolHelmet_01.pd3 -> class myCoolHelnet_01 AND correct character skeleton defined in cfgSkeletons and connected to the helmet class (again, Arma 3 Samples for reference)

[pulsar mortar]

though thats a bit uncertain to what it applies and generally it should be fixed engine side because boats need to be walkable too obviously

[thorn spire]

@quick terrace I tried on scripting channel

Closer there is

[plush rune]

It worked, thank you so much for the help

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064684569166622834/1082122689080209408/93488A1F6BDF72AC22E0F830CBF7F67F2D5F95E5.png?width=1193&height=671

The helmet is too shiny though, how can I reduce the glossiness?

[stuck oyster]

adjust the rvmat values

[lean furnace]

I just created this in marvelous designer, Just wonder how can i Import this into Arma 3 ?

[stuck oyster]

you would need to weight paint it

for starters

[lean furnace]

Then Retopology?

[stuck oyster]

well get the topology right first

I assumed thats how you wanted to put it in

[hot hornet]

Sculpt and make a detailed High poly if needed > Manually retopo everything

Or use Zremesher (if you have zbrush) to make your topo but you need to be familiar with the software to have good results

[stuck oyster]

Id recoomend manual work to get the joints right

[hot hornet]

Remesh your garments in MD before exporting and work with quads only

[stuck oyster]

and the shoulder areas might be problematic with a lot of overlapping layers

[plush rune]

I just noticed that my helmet has no shadow, how can I make helmet cast a shadow?

Detailed explanation would be gladly appreciated

[stuck oyster]

Model a shadow lod for it

[plush rune]

could you explain?

[vast tulip]

@plush rune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfS9fBOE7Gw&t=5604s

[plush rune]

Thanks for all helps, its working now

shadow strenched like spaghetti though

I believe this non-closed is what causing the problem, however I dont know how to close it

[stuck oyster]

best done in whatever program you used to model the helmet

closed mesh means there are no holes in it

and shadow mesh is the kind that usually needs some reworking as usually people dont model with shadow in mind

and preferably it is as simple as possible

[plush rune]

[white oak]

Is there somewhere that I can read about doing multiple signs with a single texture file
like town signs, billboards etc?

[stuck oyster]

well if you have a texture with multiple different signs on it you just need correct uv mapping to make different signs use different parts of said texture

[white oak]

Sounds simple enough
but what happens with the case of city signs
where you'd need quite a lot of them
just busy work or is there a way to automate it

[stuck oyster]

there probably are ways to automate it but in scale like this its probably faster to make them by hand than to go deep end into the automation creation

depends of course how much you would use such skills in the future

[woeful viper]

@civic stratus tanks have driveOnComponent and a slide component. (to prevent obstacles "falling through" the wheel gap). Cars dont really need it

not sure if it is implemented technically for cars at all...

@white jay go into missioneditor 2D, then look for config viewer icon. Lets you view all configs there are in the game...

alternatively go into arma3/addons/ whatever-pbo-sounds-most-fitting and check for configs there

[thorn spire]

@woeful viper thanks didnt remember the viewer

[umbral shuttle]

so I have a infantry weapon that I wanted to have two muzzle flash proxies. With one it works fine, but adding a second one (that I placed a centimeters above the working one just to try out) results in neither showing. Both are part of the zasleh selection, one is id 1 and other is id 2, just adding the 2nd proxy breaks. Are infantry weapons able to show 2 muzzle flash at the same time?

if any of this makes sense

[alpine matrix]

are you making a Under barrel weapon of some sort?

someone got any idea what would do this? i believe its just land contact lod issue. (believe i found it and its just memory)

[runic plover]

Memory points damper /bounding and tracks need podkoloP and podkoloL selections to each wheel

Landcontact needs such also so the tracks orient to its landcontact and its behaviour.

[umbral shuttle]

ah no, not a underbarrel thing, its just that I am two existing proxies to make the muzzle flash. while I dont see this mentioned really anywhere I guess its an arma thing where multiple proxies cant be used for infantry weapons. so what I did is I combined the two proxies into 1 p3d and just use that. I thought multiple proxies for a single fire anim would work since it did for vehicle weapons but I guess not

[compact zenith]

my pistol is very inaccurate. How do I change the position where the bullet is coming from?

[sage stag]

What's the purpose of all the 1a, 1c selections in a character geometry LOD?

[stuck oyster]

Blending between different geometry shapes used by different animations

[sage stag]

Can you elaborate on how that works?

[stuck oyster]

No, don't really know the internal mechanics. Never heard anything more about it.

[sage stag]

I wonder if the character geometry LOD even gets used at all, since animation states specify overriding geometries... 🤔

[stuck oyster]

I think it's still used as a base.

[sage stag]

Alright.

[white oak]

Do I need the phys LODS for a static object ie a sign
or is the geo and fire lods enough?

[stuck oyster]

If you think you could set up even simpler physx lod than your geometry is then it can be useful to ease physx collision calculations

Otherwise, no buildings rarely have separated physx lod

[white oak]

so physx lods more for stuff that gets moved / tossed around got it

[stuck oyster]

It's for interaction between physx simulation

Like vehicle collisions and grenade throwing

But with that said sometimes it can be good to have separate physx lod for vehicle collisions

[white oak]

I see
Planning to stick to static stuff to use in terrains for the foreseeable future
So I guess its fine for the moment

[stuck oyster]

Very likely

[white oak]

Rather often find myself saying
"Wish I had x to put here"

[stuck oyster]

Unless you geometry lod for the sign is 1000 components

😅

[stuck oyster]

This is indeed how the time sink that is Arma modding expands 🤣

[white oak]

Funny enough, my first thought was to put the "Blender Donut" into arma
kind of a zero to donut experience sounded good on paper to learn both workflows
went well with the donut and all
up until the moment when OB said 27k faces

[white oak]

Can I make this into a sign/poster and put it in a terrain please

[stuck oyster]

😝

[south badge]

Is there any good resource I could read up on regarding partially transparent textures? I need to make some wire mesh objects but I am not sure how to proceed, and I couldn't find any reference among the samples

[pallid island]

inb4 "physx lod is for scaring away tank drivers"

as for transparency - just having an alpha channel in the texture should be enough 🤔

[south badge]

I see, thanks

[pallid island]

"P:\a3\structures_f_exp\data\alpha\grid_02_ca.paa" for the example wire fence texture from vanilla(-ish) game, if you have the P-drive set up

[south badge]

yep, I do. Thanks a lot!

[muted tapir]

what do i do to set the origin of model space on a model?

[stuck oyster]

in blender?

oor somewhere else?

[muted tapir]

i'm using blender

[stuck oyster]

there is "set origin" tool in object mode

with various different targets

if you want some specifc point you can use the 3d cursor

[pallid island]

or you can enter Edit Mode and move all the vertices. That doesn't touch the origin.

[stuck oyster]

well that too

but i find it easier to set the actual origin to some point I want it to be 😄

[muted tapir]

right now i have it so that i get different positions from getpos _object and _object modeltoworld [0,0,0], will doing that affect the latter too?

[muted tapir]

will i have to set the origin of all lods?

[stuck oyster]

well

yes

otherwise they wont match

[muted tapir]

makes sense

[pallid island]

"understandable, have a nice day" (c)

[muted tapir]

so that let me shift the position that the getpos command returns

how do i change the spot on the model that modeltoworld [0,0,0] returns?

[stuck oyster]

you cant?

its always the origin

since you are asking where this models [0,0,0] is from the game

the 0,0,0 is always 0,0,0 in the model space

[muted tapir]

then why does it not line up with the origin of the model in blender?

[stuck oyster]

perhaps if you explain the actual thing you try to make

it should

well autocentering of terrain object might change it

[pallid island]

wasn't there some autocenter config property or something to screw with that?

[stuck oyster]

if you are trying to read it from a terrain object

so please explain what you are actually doing 😅

[muted tapir]

that could be it

[pallid island]

and terrain contact lod. And who knows (not i) what else

[muted tapir]

i think i inherit my config from a rock

[stuck oyster]

config should not affect the centering

[muted tapir]

the point is not coming from my land contact lod, it's too low for that

[stuck oyster]

lets start from the beginning and what you try to do

[pallid island]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#autocenter, nah?

[muted tapir]

yep, autocenter is true in my config

[stuck oyster]

I suppose you can try turning that to 0. Never have had to change it myself

[muted tapir]

that fixed it

probably my fault cause i chose a terrain object to inherit my config from

thanks for the help

[pallid island]

whoa, i was actually useful? That's kinda unexpected 🤣

[stuck oyster]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/modelToWorldVisual could also try the other modelToWorld commands

[white oak]

Quick question
does the named properties tab in a3toolbox work
if so is there a specific way to do it?

[stuck oyster]

it works yes

you create new property

name it

and give it a value

[white oak]

Guess I'm doing something wrong then, can't get it to work
To create a geometry LOD I

1. added a new mesh
2. made sure its convex and closed
3. ticked Arma obj prop box
4. added named properties and entered values (Did it case-sensitive)
5. exported as p3d

[pallid island]

which named properties? And are the visible/numbered LODs present?

[white oak]

mass
sbsource
aicovers
armor
damage

numbered lods?

Only have the obj and the Geometry meshes in blender

[stuck oyster]

mass is not named property

its separate dialog in OB and toolbox

its set per per geometry lod vertex

[white oak]

So do I select the object mesh and hit "Create Geometry Components" then?

[pallid island]

excuse me for actually intervening, but does that ("mass...set per geometry lod vertex") mean that p3d/whatever models still need an Oxygen open/save cycle between Blender and game to be usable?

[stuck oyster]

I think it should be all good to go to game with that

but component convexity can always be bit iffy so I prefer to check that in OB myself

which is related to OB and Blender using different coordination systems and different triangulation and convex calculation

[civic stratus]

can someone help me better understand sections and bones in the model.cfg?

in terms of vehicles, from my understanding, the only difference is bones move and can be connected to other parts

is that it or am I missing something? I'm basically asking when I should include something in the sections.

[white jay]

bones are solely used for animations that are defined in the model.cfg.

for sections you can imagine them as special selections

[wraith tendon]

"Part1","",
"Part2","Part1"
That means: If Part1 is moving, Part2 moves with Part1.

[white jay]

you list selections in the sections list that can have changing textures or are treated in a special way by the engine

like tank tracks, clan signs, reflectors etc.

so if a selection is not animated, you dont need to list it as a bone

[empty aurora]

hi,
Where do I define hiddenselections (do not even know is this correct value), of model. If i have let's say model of wire . And i have 5 different colors for it.
So

class CfgVehicles {
    class static;
    class mySuperWireRed:Static    
    {
        scope = 2;
        displayName = "IED Wire (Red)";
        model = "\IED\IED_Wire_Test.p3d";
        faction = "Empty";
        vehicleClass = "Small_items";
    };
    class mySuperWireGreen: mySuperWireRed 
    {
        displayName = "IED Wire (Green)";
        // here something which change color ??
    };
};

[white oak]

Is there any documentation on armatoolbox that I can read into?

[white oak]

On this line here btw
Why is triangulation needed (just curious)
Also is it done on the object or the LODs?

[stuck oyster]

So that the faces look as expected. Everything gets triangulated in game anyway and a quad can triangulate 2 ways and if uv mapping is done one way and in game it goes the other way funky texturing happens. And if mesh is expected to be round, opposite triangulation might make a dent on it.

[white oak]

I see
so triangulation is done on the object & before UV mapping then

[stuck oyster]

Preferably yes.

Or at least before texturing. But triangulation can affect how uv islands form

[white oak]

Is there any documentation on armatoolbox that I can read into?
Anything on this?

[stuck oyster]

Not really.

[white oak]

aww 😦

[stuck oyster]

You can search the channel history.

And some questions are answered in the toolbox BI forum thread

[woeful viper]

sections = for things you need to texture via hidden selections mostly. Not sure what they are used for apart from that

[wraith tendon]

animations?

[woeful viper]

sections. not seLEctions

[wraith tendon]

Yep

[white jay]

you dont need to define animated selections as sections

[woeful viper]

yes

[wraith tendon]

hide, unhide, rotation

erm, i had to add that to the models oO

hmm, wait a sec^^

[charred bolt]

    class static;
    class mySuperWireRed:Static    
    {
        scope = 2;
        displayName = "IED Wire (Red)";
        model = "\IED\IED_Wire_Test.p3d";
        faction = "Empty";
        vehicleClass = "Small_items";
        hiddenSelections[] =
        {
            "camo1"
        };
        hiddenSelectionsTextures[] =
        {
            "\IED\data\IED_Wire_Red_co.paa"
        };    
    };
    class mySuperWireGreen: mySuperWireRed 
    {
        scope = 2;
        displayName = "IED Wire (Green)";
        hiddenSelectionsTextures[] =
        {
            "\IED\data\IED_Wire_Green_co.paa"
        };
    };
};```
```class CfgModels
{
    class IED_Wire_Test
    {
        skeletonName = "IED_Wire_Test_skeleton";
        sectionsInherit = "";
        sections[] =
        {
            "camo1"
        };
    };
};```

Apply the selection name `camo1` to all of your wire in the resolution LOD's.
Add `camo1` to the sections[] in model.cfg.

[empty aurora]

😍

Nice, thanks for help

[charred bolt]

Fixed and formatted better.

You can get more complex by using TextureSources and the vehicle customisation features to give randomised or set-probability colouring
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Vehicle_Customization

[empty aurora]

Good to know.
I will start working on that.
Thanks 👍🙏

[white oak]

yay, after many crashes of blender I made a "Working" Object

and now know just a smidge more about the toolbox

[plucky patrol]

Hi all, I am trying to find a very basic tutorial on how to make a simple car model in blender and insert it in arma3 is there a step by step video tutorial or documentation on how to do it ?

[white oak]

I have asked similar question about a month ago
knowing ever slightly more than I did then, let me ask first
Do you know your way around blender or are you looking for more of a zero to something type of guide

[plucky patrol]

I know something about blender , not at expert level but a little more above begginer

I zero level tutorial will be great also

I know how to make a car shape in blender , what i do not know is how to configure the wheels animations, how to make a player get in the car or how to make the car drive

basicaly is how to write the config files to be conected to p3d model

[white oak]

well if you do have a model to start with I believe Egil Ballestad's tank tutorial is a good place to start for vehicles.
More experienced peeps can correct me on this but one might suggest starting with static objects to learn the ins-and-outs of Objects in arma, as the process isn't documented well and the information out there is quite fragmented

[stuck oyster]

there are some tutorials collected at BI forums editing section too that you might find useful

however there will not be any that explain everything 100%

[kind nacelle]

is there a quick way to merge doubled geometry without breaking the vertex groups and selections?

would merging by distance in blender mess things up?

[peak isle]

howdy im trying to learn to import a gun from arma2 to arma3 and following a tutorial.

basically, when i download these there are no PAA's for the models so no textures just wondering if im downloading the wrong one.

sorry if this is the wrong spot for this question

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_2_Sample_Models

[kind nacelle]

pretty sure textures are not part of the LDP for some reason

[peak isle]

ah shit so how would i go about getting them even if i have to retexture it idc. or is that a no no?

[kind nacelle]

🤷

[stuck oyster]

you need to oown arma 2

[peak isle]

is there a arm 2 tools lol

[stuck oyster]

yes.

on BI wiki

[peak isle]

would i just need arma 2 for that or any dlc?

[stuck oyster]

depends what textures you are after

[peak isle]

scar texture

[stuck oyster]

youll have to figure out where it comes from I suppose

[peak isle]

weapons_e i think

i assume thats a arma 2 pbo

[kind nacelle]

It's operation arrowhead

[alpine matrix]

anyone got any guesses as to why, my gunner Optic is misaligned with the vanilla crosshair(for tank aswell) and why my tank wont move

[stuck oyster]

Some memory points involved are not in straight line is usually the case.

Not moving usually means issues in physx config.

[desert notch]

is this page correct?
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Animations#config.cpp

I've never seen UserActions in model.cfg

afaik models don't have any actions

[stuck oyster]

dont think it is.

@turbid cove can we have fixes 😄

[white oak]

Is there a rule of thumb type of approach to how many faces a building should have?
Ie 5-6k faces per floor?

[stuck oyster]

That's a lot of faces.

But no it depends on the look and size

If you make houses with furniture it might be good idea to make those with proxies.

[white oak]

for that I'd have to make enterable ones first

still working on non-enterables first

[stuck oyster]

Oh I though the 5-6k per floor was for enterable one

[white oak]

oh
that's not good

[stuck oyster]

Simple unenterable one can probably be under 2k easily

Of course bigger you go the more you need

From design point of view the question is how do I make this with as few polies as possible

Not how many polies I can use

[white oak]

which is given I'd suppose
don't have too many references tho

Also I'm also trying to see if I can get generated buildings into arma
so working at two fronts here

[stuck oyster]

There are buildings with over 40k tris with full enterability and multiple levels

But I would not put many of those in same scene

[stuck oyster]

Good lodding is important

The lesser lods at distance can be highly reduced, even to simple boxes with baked on texture

It's definitely possible to generate buildings no doubt.

But key is also to not have too many unique objects

[pallid island]

And then you go CUP way and make an entire story of 4-5 story building a proxy to save on draw calls... And it unexpectedly doesn't match collision/fire geometry at places ☠️

[stuck oyster]

I dont think that saves drawcalls

[pallid island]

Memory then. Or whatever they intend to save

[stuck oyster]

copy paste work perhaps

[charred bolt]

A proxy is only one tri... don't give away all our developer secrets to get within poly spec (joke) 😉

[stuck oyster]

[desert notch]

I have a question about direct animation type in model.cfg (as in rotation, translation, hide). is that used by the game at all? I haven't found anything on how it's supposed to be used

[stuck oyster]

no dont think so

though "direct" should be a source not a type I think

no wait true its both

so like it says in the wiki it dos not use axis memorypoints from model so it likely rotates around the selection center

cant really think of anything in vanilla that would benefit from it

[desert notch]

yeah I haven't been able to get it to work

[stuck oyster]

what is it you try to do?

[pseudo elbow]

What dictates that polygons can be rendered with transparency or not in the model?

Tried finding the answer myself by looking at shaders and RVMat documentation but didn't get it

[stuck oyster]

if it has transparent texture on binarization

[pseudo elbow]

Trying to make vehicle go transparent but simply having a transparent texture is not enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kTtNaMojaE

[pseudo elbow]

Oh so it takes model recompilation then?

[stuck oyster]

yes

most things/surfaces are not flagged as transparent

it may also cause ambient shadow bleed and other visual glitches

[pseudo elbow]

🤔

Not that I NEED a feature to control this through script, but I thought I could make cool procedural C&C cloaking script that works with any vehicle.

[stuck oyster]

been there 😅

[tranquil spire]

Not sure if this fits more #arma3_config or here but

I'm working on this model, missile launcher.
What would be the best way to hide the missiles as they are fired?
Using model.cfg to hide each selection/missile?

could I create a separate p3d for the missile and proxy it in the missile launcher model? any benefits to that?

[charred bolt]

Yes, create a separate missile p3d, proxy it in multiple places to the launcher and use model.cfg to hide missiles and move the firing memory points.
It's quite tricky to set-up, but there are a number of MLRS examples around (SOG, 3CB, RHS + others) so someone should be able to help with details if you get stuck later on with the config.

[tranquil spire]

oh did not even think about moving the firing memory points

good idea, thanks for the answer, will have a look around

[charred bolt]

There's also firing / missile effects, and reload sequences that you might need to consider, but it's all been done before.

[bright echo]

depending how you plan on using it you can also use the pylon stuff that typically for jets for them

which is iirc how the grads/rocket artillery in RHS work

[tranquil spire]

well it will be for a character not a vehicle

[bright echo]

ah, that sorta limits it yeah you're gonna have to do model.cfg like apollo said

[tranquil spire]

yep atm digging through mods to check a working example

[bright echo]

https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/199973-solved-cannot-get-a-proxy-missile-working/ this is for a vehicle but you could use the same technique in the second post, but im unsure if it'll work for a character weapon

but atleast shows how to do the moving memorypoints

[tranquil spire]

cheers, will have a look into that

[bold flare]

you can use surfaceTexture to get terrain under vehicle maybe

[pseudo elbow]

Had a thought about pointing PIP camera to the ground and use that instead of transparency

But its not an option due to PIP being optional, plus will still look pretty bad

[runic plover]

I havent added and experimented with this new feature yet since last patch of Arma 3, but i did my Stealthtank atm without a idle animation effect like you did in the video.

I did on my one a hideanimation only to make it stealth (100% stealth cause cloaked is for me cloaked and should not be visible for enemy).

You can also PM me, you have joined already Tiberian Genesis Discord and you asked there something about that but you have deleted it so i didnt care about

[pseudo elbow]

To hide the vehicle with animate you'll need to make sure it has animation that hides everything first

Though on the other hand my approach needs hidden selection textures to be defined as well

I asked if anybody had C&C Renegade unpacked for stank cloak texture, but then just went and got it myself

Sadly my idea to make universal cloaking script hit the hard reality of Arma

[runic plover]

Im sure im able to find a solution if i would care about it more, but what i did with my stank was just 5min of work 😂
Ill do more when i get to the Mobile Stealth Generator and Stealth Generator (Structure), cause there i have to go universal and side specific. Cloaking structures would be hard then to orient if they have interior etc so it needs to be cloaked side specific aswell.
Its not a easy way to go at all with effects and functionality

[pseudo elbow]

setObjectTexture has an upside of being local so you can have various degrees of cloaking per side

animate on the other hand is global

You can also completely hide the texture with setObjectTexture [0, ""], sadly no half-transparency

[runic plover]

You need more

So if it fires it has to uncloak for some seconds and recloak auto after some seconds

If it has reached some damage value it shouldnt be able to recloak again. I did all that stuff

[pseudo elbow]

Its not hard to make, including having it MP-compatible

I just hate that I can't make it semi-transparent like cloaked vehicles are in C&C Renegade.

I just did that test, saw that it turns texture black instead of transparent and gave up 😦

[runic plover]

Would work with a second low poly hull

But for that you need source

[pseudo elbow]

Gonna require making additional models for each vehicle, lotsa work, won't support vanilla vehicles and other addons

[runic plover]

Yep

[pseudo elbow]

I'm almost 0 at modelling to even ask relevant questions to make what I want to make possible

[runic plover]

Wait lets talk over PM, i might have something you could have interest at

[pseudo elbow]

I guess faces have some kind of Alpha enabled/disabled flags on them? Can we in theory have a scripted flag that makes whole model temporarily render with transparency or something?

Something like ENTITY forceAlphaRendering BOOL

[runic plover]

SetObjectTexture makes also such bad stuff with the Sky & Terrain, not sure if you noticed it already

[pseudo elbow]

🤔

[runic plover]

Was a test like 2 years ago

[pseudo elbow]

What texture is that? Fully transparent one?

Tried "#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)", works fine

[runic plover]

Maybe today it works, like i said i did tests 2 years ago

And didnt touch it since then

[pseudo elbow]

Setting empty texture, leaves some details since they're not covered by hidden selection textures

So even if my dream command existed, it still wouldn't look complete

"#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)" applied to all selections

[runic plover]

Yes for that command you need access to the model to make selections

[pseudo elbow]

No issues vs sky

[runic plover]

Maybe this has been fixed 🤷‍♂️

You can also use hideObject but for some reason ive moved to the hideAnimation, not sure if hideObject was good to go

[pseudo elbow]

hideObject doesn't let vehicle operate properly

[runic plover]

Yeah right that was it

Soldiers work but vics not

[pseudo elbow]

Likely some properties of your model

So far preparing the model to be fully hide-able with empty "" texture seems like the only way to have invisible but operational vehicle

[runic plover]

hideAnimation works also cause my stank works pretty well now (patch is not out yet) but current version is also playable

[pseudo elbow]

Since you know Arma modelling, what exactly makes some faces work with transparency and some not? I opened Oxygen 2, clicked around with face properties but couldn't find anything relevant.

[runic plover]

But atm not side specific, so each faction cant see it if cloaked

Not sure if it depends like HorribleGoat already mentioned of binarization, also if prefix is _CO.paa at least (alpha needs _CA.paa)

Model itself doesnt care about such

[runic plover]

Whats the original texture of this "cage"?

Looks like the original one has textured holes (alpha) so its a _CA one and the rails are _CO

[pseudo elbow]

Cage - APC_Wheeled_03_Ext_alpha_CO.paa

Other external textures also have _CO postfix: APC_Wheeled_03_Ext_CO.paa

[runic plover]

Yeah it has alpha channel

[pseudo elbow]

So simply matching _alpha_ in the texture file name during binarization marks these faces support transparency?

[runic plover]

Texture itself has alpha channel in it

Not sure if _alpha also takes a role itself as prefix

[pseudo elbow]

"#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)" has alpha channel in it as well

If you display it say on UI it will be transparent

My video also shows output textures in hint, they're also semi-transparent there

[runic plover]

Some argb lines like that use at least _co or _ca you may test that too

[pseudo elbow]

Did that, tried all texture types, no difference

Setting that APC_Wheeled_03_Ext_alpha_INDP_CO.paa texture everywhere of course doesn't make it transparent either

[runic plover]

What rvmat is the ext_alpha using, same like the normal ext?

[pseudo elbow]

Same thing, setting that cage material to other selections doesn't work either

Its some face property in the p3d itself, I don't even know what its called and how exactly it is configured

[runic plover]

Ill do some tests when im back home of work like in 2.5 hours. As far as i know, the model itself doesnt care about such. I know, alpha based textures (example windows) are single seperated meshes and not welded /merged together with the non-alpha textured parts

So probably, as how it looks, this cage should be just a single double faced mesh

[bold flare]

at binarization it checks if the texture has alpha, if yes it sets alpha flag on the face

The cage has a texture that has some transparency, thus all faces with the texture get alpha flag and support transparency

[runic plover]

Makes sense now 😆 thanks for clarification

[pseudo elbow]

Yeah, guessed as much. I wonder if having some kind of flag to make all faces (or chosen selections) support transparency is possible in the engine?

[bold flare]

no

[pseudo elbow]

At least its not texture file name check to have _alpha_ in it 😬

[pseudo elbow]

RIP ui2texture stanks then

[bold flare]

well it kinda is

texture suffix sets format

[pseudo elbow]

Gonna have to prepare each model to have all textures with transparent pixel so all faces support transparency when you'll swap the textures, so only possible for mods

[runic plover]

Only possible for source i think

[pseudo elbow]

That's why I thought about it also checking for alpha in the name

[runic plover]

Not at all, i could go that way with my stank and all the other stuff 😁

[pseudo elbow]

Yeah, possible with mods if all models are prepared to support cloaking

[runic plover]

If you want we can sit together on that

[pseudo elbow]

Not possible for vanilla assets as I wanted to have it universal

[pseudo elbow]

Sure, I can share my ui2texture approach

[runic plover]

Alright 👍👍

[desert notch]

nothing, I was just trying to see if it works at all by making my own model 😅
I had tried other types before but the direct one was new to me

[civic stratus]

is the ambient parameter what gives an rvmat its glow?

[empty aurora]

Thanks Apollo, my models are working. Now for part two. Is it possible to add an animation to an object, if it is destroyed it will take a new form. first it is intact, when cut it is a wire which is in two parts. So do I need 2 models. 1st intact and another where current wire is in two parts?

[charred bolt]

You can either do that with hiding/unhiding damaged/undamaged model, or if it's relatively simple change then it's more efficient to use translation/rotation animations to change the object (such as a door coming off it's hinges with a simple rotation applied on destruction, or in your case, model the wire in two parts and translate them apart when damaged).

[astral lantern]

Trying to add a character model using the sample files, the uniform shows up correctly on the unit in the editor but when in game/arsenal the unit goes back to default underwear? any idea why?

[woeful viper]

check rpt if you see anything

[marsh canyon]

Also

1. Try with no other Mods
2. Post the config

[astral lantern]

https://pastebin.com/qDjihGkC

[astral lantern]

 2:36:31 Warnings in test_character_01\a3_character_example.p3d:shadow(1000)
 2:36:31 Warnings in test_character_01\a3_character_example.p3d:shadow(1000)
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 Warning Message: No entry '.model'.
 2:36:31 Warning Message: '/' is not a value
 2:36:31 In class "U_Test_uniform" is abstract config class "Test_Soldier_base_F" and can't be used with uniform.```

[astral lantern]

also: 2:36:31 Vertex Buffer too small (132204<16384)
model too high poly?

[stuck oyster]

youve packed it from wrong place

it needs to be in P:\samples_F\rest of the folders

or you have broken the config since it warns from no entry for many necessary things

do you have P drive set up?

what do you use to pack the pbo?

[past canopy]

emissions

like the 3rd one

[white oak]

Having a slight lighting issue with these
they're supposed to be a solid color
I know its an issue in the rvmat, but no idea which stage

[pallid island]

"solid color" as in "disable lighting"?

[stuck oyster]

Try changing ambient values maybe. Or give them slight emmisivity

[white oak]

best description I can come up with is that shadows act weird
the lit up face stays same as the objects rotated
the face only changes with the time of day

could it be because I used too few faces?
that "cylinder" is just 6 sides/faces

[stuck oyster]

I am not sure what you mean

can you give an example of what you would expect it to look like?

@white oak

[fierce dagger]

for a copilot, is there a separate view LOD for them, or do they use the pilot LOD?

I assume it would be the gunner LOD

[charred bolt]

The general answer that's most often correct, is that they will use the Cargo 0 LOD.
Unless they are told by config to use another LOD which can often be the case inside Turrets.

[white oak]

So this is a solid color object
Time is noon, first pic makes sense, Topside lit up and bottom is shaded
but when I flip the object, lighting of the object stays same

[kind nacelle]

Flipped normals?

[white oak]

using a flat normal

[stuck oyster]

do you have sharp edges at the ends?

what type of shader do you use in rvmat?

are all stages the shader needs present?

have you tried using on of the default ones in P:\A3\data_F\

[white oak]

Using the default shader setup found in the wiki

Sharp edges?

[stuck oyster]

P3D works with smooth and sharp edges that define how that edge shades

smooth edge on sharp corner can make things shade weird

[white oak]

that looks awfully like the problem I'm having
is there an attribute to set up?
or is it more the angle of faces on the object

[stuck oyster]

in OB there is tool to set sharp and smooth edge yes

and in blender the p3d exporter also exports Blender set sharp edges

and if I recall right autosmooth sharp edges too

[white oak]

That was indeed the problem
couldn't find the setting in blender for the life of me though

[stuck oyster]

its called mark sharp

but by default created object uses full sharp shading instead of smooth shading so you wont see it

but since the edges are not marked sharp they wont export as sharp

autosmooth also makes automatic sharp edges by angle

but marked sharp edges override it

like here it does not make the 90 degree angles sharp due to the larger than 90 detection value

but the marked sharps are still sharp

[white oak]

Ah, okay
It's all coming together now
thanks

[stuck oyster]

blender 101

[tribal finch]

Might be getting ahead of myself here but does anyone know if its possible to make destructible components on aircraft?
Looking to have wings be detachable as a damage model, aircraft still flies but loses the appropriate controls depending on what wing is ripped off.

Doesn't have to be the "correct" method aslong as it achieves A: Wings being removed/replaced with broken model and B: Aircraft rolling to the destroyed side

[stuck oyster]

you can hide parts and with some extra work make separate pieces you can spawn as falling off gibs

the flight model changes I dont think happen

[tribal finch]

could that be done through script? adding some roll to the aircraft depending on whats hit

even if its every frame 😄

[bright echo]

Yeah even in the vanilla flight damage model control surfaces can be destroyed but all that does is causes them to stop functioning iirc, i think animation wise they get stuck in their current position but whether or not that actually does anything idk

[stuck oyster]

everyframe you can do whatever but it stops being playable

in theory you could maybe animate the whole plane to tilt on damage

it would be mostly visual thing but there is a slight chance that animating the geometry components might alter the mass distribution live

[tribal finch]

interesting, Will take a look around the configs and see what I can find. Guess glass is destructible, its unoptimised but I could have the broken wing model inside of the actual wing

[stuck oyster]

you wont really find any examples of this

😅

[tribal finch]

what about glass 🙂

[stuck oyster]

well for hiding parts on damage yes, but the rest is more theoretical and not exactly made anywhere

[tribal finch]

yeah fair

[stuck oyster]

so you will have to do some piecing together

[tribal finch]

I don't wanna get too ambitious here, can barely make my own aircraft

[stuck oyster]

and yeah you could hide half the wing and at the same unhide damaged mesh

[tribal finch]

only concern would be collision I think

[stuck oyster]

its ok to have ambition with this stuff but yeah wont be easiest thing and basically requires you to learn quite a bit of stuff to be able to do the more unconventional things

[stuck oyster]

collision pieces can be hidden too

[tribal finch]

sweet!

had the same thing with cryengine 2-3 years ago, wanted to do everything, knew nothing. then again 3 years later I've managed to pick up 90% of the things, but if I wasn't so jumpy with projects could've probably cut that time way down

gotta pace myself 😄

appreciate the info here, I think I'll look further into it when I'm configuring the model.cfg or whatever.

[stuck oyster]

👍

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-sign-of-the-cross-best-luck-gif-15229225

[bright echo]

can also shift the center of mass with setMass scripting

idk if it'd actually affect the flight model tho

it might make it fly slightly worse but not as much as... missing a wing would.. lol

[white oak]

The more I look into making objects the more I feel as if BI doesn't want us to

[stuck oyster]

any game with anything more advanced than static features have its quirks so its not really any easier in other games

Arma has a lot more stuff available natively

[white oak]

Which is fair, and credit where its due BI does offer quite the toolset to create stuff
On the other hand it feels as if the information out there is highly obscured, almost as if they're tools intended for internal use only and such the documentation to how to use them is actively being hidden

[stuck oyster]

its not actively being hidden. its just not written down

at least not in single coherent place

[white oak]

Sorry forgot a "Feels as if" There

[stuck oyster]

since many of us who done this for 10 years must have learned the stuff from somewhere

its not impossible

Im sorry to say but new guys are always in such a hurry 😅

[white oak]

Not in a hurry myself
it's just sometimes discouraging having to go digging through 5-10+ year old threads only to find that the answer in the thread is no longer valid as stuff got updated

I'd LOVE to be told to RTFM, as I've been done many times both here and at other places

But rant over, I'm just gonna get my head down and keep working, see where it goes

[stuck oyster]

What kind of stuff have you found to be not valid anymore?

just out of interest

[white oak]

Mostly configs/tool usage
as those two are the topics that I've read just enough/had answers from you to figure out what is correct/wrong

But forget all that
we straight up tell people to NOT use arma tools

[stuck oyster]

well there is that

but its been like that ever since Mikero brought over his toolset with better debug info 😅

the vanilla tools work

but only if you feed them 100% gold

[white oak]

And there's my entire point
I'm more than willing to put in the time and effort to feed it the gold, I'd wager more people than we see here are too
yet it often doesn't even tell how to do so or at worst not even what the gold even is

I've started out with vanilla tools, stuff didn't work, came here and got told about mikero's tools
-What if mikero's tools didn't exist?

I'm working with a number of friends who are lot better than designing terrains than me, yet they can't make terrains w/o me at the moment as they're not as willing as me to go through the undocumented stuff. What's to say similar stuff doesn't happen for models/anims/etc.

[stuck oyster]

mod quality would be far worse than it is

mind you not everyone use mikeros toolset

and its possible to pack a addon that does run in game with just teh vanilla tools

its just that it lets through all kinds of mistakes that are not apparent for long time

but usually deteriorate performance

now the what ifs is pointless to ponder on though

since this is what we got

none of the extra tools are mandatory but they do speed things up

[white oak]

mod quality would be far worse than it is
would start off far worse than it is
There is/would be a deluge of low quality/abandoned mods regardless
having a more gradual learning curve discourages less of the people that are talented but not as technical

[stuck oyster]

no it would be far worse since there would be a lot less information available.

but anyway

without direct all encompassing documentation we all just stumble in the dark together

[white oak]

how would there be less info if it's was well documented
and even if it is wouldn't that info be more accessible and correct and centralized

[stuck oyster]

its not well documented

there are pieces

I've lost the point of this so I'll get back to my things

[white oak]

and here we are back to my rant/point
the community is missing out on good amount of creators due to lack of documentation
wasn't trying to prove anything/pull a gotcha
Just a frustrated yell at the void after banging my head on OB for the past 10hrs

[stuck oyster]

feel free to write down everything you learn.

I contemplate on doing tutorials from time to time

but I just cant be bothered to put my very limited free time into that

[plucky patrol]

Hi all, does anyone know why the p3d file axis exported from blender does not match the model.cfg animation rotationX ? If I change it to rotationZ it works but I thing this is not normal

[inland pawn]

ARMA axes are different

[plucky patrol]

then, is there a program good for modeling objects specific for Arma3 ? where axes are the same ?

[ocean patio]

Friendly reminder that if your object's Geometry and Geometry PhysX lods have 0 mass in Object Builder, your collisions won't work (if environment object), or it'll bounce around and fly away (if vehicle)

Just in case anyone else searches this channel for that issue :D I just spent the past like 5 days trying to figure it out on my own before I searched here and found a mention of mass, hopefully this'll help others in similar situations

Funnily enough I already encountered this issue a year ago when making my own emplacements/static weapons and just completely forgot about mass

[stuck oyster]

rotationX does not use axis

it uses modelspace X axis

you need to use type rotation to use defined axis

[stuck oyster]

got to pump up those numbers xD

[plucky patrol]

Hi, thanks for the info , I changed the rotation axes in blender for the vertex points to match the rotationX in model.cfg and now works ! 🙂

the rotation axes were not aligned correctly in blender

[stuck oyster]

That's not what I meant.. You can use type = rotation instead of rotationX and have memorypoint axis in any dieec2you like

[pseudo elbow]

So there IS a way to affect render flags of the vehicle through rvmat.

This is a result of

renderFlags[]={"AlphaTest32"};
ambient[] = {1,1,1,0.5};
diffuse[] = {1,1,1,0.5};
```added to the material

Not a proper transparency but at least something

Sadly no way to pass proper transparency flag, only this one that's apparently for clutter

@bold flare Possible to have new rvmat flag to pass proper flag transparency to the renderer?

[white oak]

are we allowed to use textures/rvmats from the game on our own models?

[woeful viper]

yes, on the condition you dont "package" those textures into your mod, but instead use the original game installation paths

Although i think if you modify the texture a bit it is still accepted (thinking of retextures). This only applies to textures however, not to other stuff (e.g. you are not allowed to do the same with models). RVMAT you can use, no problem - it's just a text file containing texture paths and some render settings

[plucky patrol]

Hi, something I am missing. I manage to make wheels steering according to drivewheel, wheels animations is working in object builder, car engine starts in game but the car does not move forward 😦 any help ?

the physx.hpp is included in config

skeleton bones names in model.cpp and physx.hpp are according to the p3d model objects

[stuck oyster]

either missing something in the model or something wrong in the config

maybe missing the wheel position memory points

compare yours to the sample car in arma 3 samples

[plucky patrol]

the positions , axis anbd memory points are OK

what i do not have is physx lod

it is required ?

from arma3 samples i took the physx file and from there i try to undestand the basic structure

[stuck oyster]

physx lod is required yes

the sample car has all the required components present

memorypoints for the physX wheel positions and size

the physX lod itself

and about how it should look

geometry lod and how it should look

(including that it needs mass set to it)

and component naming

[white oak]

On Z axis does roadways have to be above geometry
and does it have textures?

[stuck oyster]

yeas roadway needs to float above geometry, 1cm works

it can have a surface texture from p:\a3\data_f\surfaces that defines walking sounds on it

[white oak]

is the texture visible in game or just the walking sounds?

[stuck oyster]

just walking sounds

[plucky patrol]

i have added the physx lod but when i play in eden editor the car jumps and carashes on a a side the contact land memory points are outside of any object any ideas ?

[old gulch]

Hmm, so a model of mine works, and has some selections I can hide in order to allow multiple to connect together, however the collision components in those spots aren't hidden when I do this, desptie having correct selection names in the geometry LODs. I feel like I'm missing a step here?

[stuck oyster]

its not as simple as just adding a lod like that

[stuck oyster]

hide them how?

[old gulch]

I was hiding them via hidden selections.

As I just want to use the one model as opposed to multiple.

[stuck oyster]

hidden selection is not hiding

its just invisible

you need to do hide animtions

[stuck oyster]

this is not good for performance

[old gulch]

I see.

[stuck oyster]

most of the time, if its not done in vanilla, its not recommendable 😅

some things like vehicle accessories can be included but Im sensing you got a lot more than that

and such accessories are done by hide animations anyway

hiddenselection is just for swapping textures

[old gulch]

I getcha. So, if I want to do this, I need to set up hide animations. I can just set these animations to specific states in config as well, right?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[old gulch]

Do I need to set up a skeleton with the sections in order to hide them, or can I forgo that step?

[inland pawn]

I think the way my hiddenSelections worked for my vehicle at least, was, to create a bone in the skeleton and have it inherit off nothing. Then have the ERA sections in the fire geo inherit off attach_era and then do an animation source to hide it

[old gulch]

Fair enough.

[stuck oyster]

sections is for hiddenselections and few other engine features. mainly they relate to texture changing

animation selections dont typically go there

[old gulch]

Gotcha.

[plucky patrol]

@stuck oyster I have manage to make it work ! The problem it was that there were no mass set on the wheels and on the floor of my demo car and yes the pshyx lod must be present

thank you again for the support

[livid canyon]

What are the some considerations for choosing between sbsource=visualex vs shadowvolumeLODs? Couldn't really find an existing discussion.

[stuck oyster]

sbsource visualex is said to be better performing but does not work quite right with vehicle interiors or characters

good for buildings

[livid canyon]

ah I did notice vehicle glass didn't seem to get light through. is that the main thing?

[stuck oyster]

I think it did not work with internal views

transparent things cut off shadow at some transparency level

maybe 50%

no smooth transition

[livid canyon]

tyvm!

[charred bolt]

Confirming this is the reason visualex can't be used on crewed vehicles, as it doesn't work in Pilot/Cargo/Gunner views. Otherwise it's a much nicer soft shadow and has none of the problems associated with making Shadow LOD's and keeping them contained inside res LOD's.

[empty aurora]

Hey,
If my models are too bright,
Can I reduce the brightness of the models through the settings (config) or do they need to be edited in blender?

[fluid copper]

What do you mean its too bright? That sounds like a texture or material issue

[stuck oyster]

edit the texture(s)

[empty aurora]

Those look too new 😁
I want the colors to look more worn/older

[fluid copper]

You'll have to make your textures darker and more worn looking then

[empty aurora]

Yeh, I will start there .
Thanks again.

[umbral shuttle]

when binning happens, do the edit lods go away? I have a few and I dont want it to casue the p3d file to get too big once binned

[umbral shuttle]

oh and also, wats the importance of view geometry? cant find anything talking about it on wiki

[stuck oyster]

its mainly used for AI view calculations and optimizing it can make AI view processing perform better

some player "look at thing" features might also use it

[umbral shuttle]

oh so something like, can AI see through this fence, or inbetween areas

[stuck oyster]

yes

[umbral shuttle]

cool

also

🤦 I was searching for "view gemoetry"

idk why its one word on that page lol

[umbral shuttle]

bit of an odd question, but I have a mortar and I have hte muzzle flash all set up correctly (named zasleh in res lod, model cfg has zasleh in selections, selectionfireanim in config and all that) yet it doesnt show. Are mortar weapons not meant to have muzzle flashes? I figured they would since the arty tank has a muzzle flash so mortar should too

[tender hemlock]

Hello, there was a problem transferring the car to the game.
My problem is the car starts but doesn't go back and forth, it stays in place. why is this happening?

[stuck oyster]

You are missing some part or made some part wrong

My suggestion is that you pack the sample car and see if that works

Then start replacing parts from it with your new parts

[tender hemlock]

the model.cfg is working,There are Geometry,Geometry Phys and LandContact. But still the car stays still and doesn't move like a joke!

[stuck oyster]

Usually it means wheels don't touch the ground

If you put it in the air in 3den,does it drop down fast?

[tender hemlock]

omg it stays in the air 😯

[tender hemlock]

What's the problem with this?

[stuck oyster]

You have not set mass in the geometry lod with the mass tool

[stuck oyster]

Are the components convex and named componentXXX

[tender hemlock]

I hope it's not wrong

[stuck oyster]

Looks alright.

[tender hemlock]

🥲

[pure lagoon]

Where can u go get help

I

[stuck oyster]

for arma related things #arma3_troubleshooting or #reforger_troubleshooting, but yours was not really Arma related but computer hardware problem and you may need to either google that error or consult a local computer technician

[pure lagoon]

Thank you

[wintry swift]

anyone got a alien weapon model?

[stuck oyster]

halo mods have some

[wintry swift]

like free to use?

[stuck oyster]

well use when you load the mod

[wintry swift]

wanna try and make a weapon but need a head start

[stuck oyster]

arma 3 samples on steam have example

there isnt really anything different when making an alien weapon, just that it might look "alien"

the technical side is all the same

[wintry swift]

blue rounds and custom sounds will be the tricky bit id imagine

[stuck oyster]

well the sample weapon and vanilla configs really contain all you need for that. the learning to read the configs is the key part which cant be avoided

but thats all more a #arma3_config thing, this channel is meant more for model making related stuff

[wintry swift]

i dont even know how to open the sample up on blender 😦

[kind nacelle]

Internet is your friend, plenty of tutorials

You have to install the Arma 3 toolbox Al made

Link your O2 scripts

Then go to import p3d and import the sample

[stuck oyster]

Have to start from the basics yeah. There are no shortcuts

[kind nacelle]

And yeah, learn the blender ui

It's not as hard as people claim (at least post 2.79) but it's somewhat of a learning curve

[wintry swift]

i think this is abit above my head tbh . thanks for the help tho

[kind nacelle]

Nothing ventured nothing gained

[stuck oyster]

I'm fairly sure you can do it if you invest the time. But it will not be a fast thing

[wintry swift]

aint much of that

[plucky patrol]

Well I am not able to manage to spin the wheels when car moves, I have managed to make the car move, steering , turn in any direction, lights go on, exhausts effect it is OK, memory points OK are aligned as it is in sample car , damper, wheel rotation and sterring animations are OK in object builder, view geometry, geometry, and physx lod are OK physx.hpp is included in config. I am starting to go crazy really I have no idea why the wheels does not spin when car moves

the car moves but the wheels are fixed , all sections - bone names are matching the objects

the wheels have mass

[stuck oyster]

Do you have animations for the wheels in model.cfg

[plucky patrol]

yes I have

If i did not the animations were not working in object builder

[stuck oyster]

Are the wheels part of other animated selection in the model. You can only have 1 animated selection

[plucky patrol]

the wheels objects have 2 animation set on two axes

steering and turning

[stuck oyster]

But are they selection in the model

[plucky patrol]

This is 1 wheel anim config

lass wheelAnim {
type = "rotation";
source = "wheel";
memory = "1";
angle0 = "0";
angle1 = "rad -360";
maxValue = "1";
minValue = "0";
selection = "";
sourceAddress = "loop";
axis="";
};
class FrontWheelRight : wheelAnim
{
selection = "wheel_1_1";

[stuck oyster]

No not anim config

The model

[plucky patrol]

in the p3d model is the same object

[stuck oyster]

Is the wheel part of the model in many animated selections

[plucky patrol]

the wheel is part in the model only in 1 LOD if i understand correclty

[stuck oyster]

No not what I mean

The named selections

Or vertex groups

[plucky patrol]

yes there are 2 names vertex group names for the object wheel

[stuck oyster]

You must only have 1

For each wheel

You can not have 2 bone name selections on same mesh

They break each other

[plucky patrol]

yes it is like that but I mean that one wheel object has in two lods different names

[stuck oyster]

Sorry I don't know how to explain this any better

[plucky patrol]

😦

[livid canyon]

the steering selection has to be different from the rolling selection. tire is the selection that moves with rolling, the tire-rolling-axis-mempts should be the selection that moves with steering.

[steep plinth]

Hi, is it possible to change a vanilla game model ? I mean the binarized models because i want to change the "container" model to be able to lift it with an helicopter. I already made a system where i addrope directly to the container and it's good but i want to be able to do this directly so is it possible ? Because in the dlc like "Western Sahara", they made some new vehicles with vanilla vehicles.

[stuck oyster]

no

DLCs can have special access

so they can do things mods cant do

[steep plinth]

oh ok but it's sad then

so ok thank you

[plucky patrol]

Hmm yes I have it wrong in my p3d, I think this is the problem

memory points and selection name in model.cfg

[wintry swift]

@stuck oyster can i DM you for a sec quickly?

plzs

[stuck oyster]

this is the place I answer modding related questions, I dont really do private help

[wintry swift]

needed to tell you something important

[drowsy sail]

Was thinking, when it comes to creating something like a vest, is it possible to create magazine pouches as their own object with something like https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgNonAIVehicles_Config_Reference and then attach them to said vest via the use of proxies? Just figured that it reduces the total work since each vest would be simpler and I could then reuse the created pouches in whatever configuration I liked?

Is there is any reason why that wouldn't work? Or where it might be inefficient from a computational PoV?

[stuck oyster]

in a way yes, but they could not be retextured and they could not have individual shading or shaping

the work of placement is same as it would be when making the actual mesh so you dont really save anything with it

[drowsy sail]

I suppose weighting would be difficult as well

Your pouches would just stay still

[stuck oyster]

they would clip a lot more yes and some poses might look more weird than normal

there is a fine line in how many variants are really needed

the kind of put pouch anywhere modularity would have to come from engine to be sensible

[muted tapir]

if i don't have a physXgeometry lod, will it just use the normal geometry lod instead for vehicle collisions?

[stuck oyster]

it should default to that yes but that is usually bad thing

[muted tapir]

Thanks

[white oak]

Just copy pasting the geo lod should be fine though right
on simple objects at least

[stuck oyster]

on simple things the separate physX geolod is not required

buildings typically dont have it separated either but sometimes it can make vehicle collision better

with vehicles its pretty important to have separate and made to fit the vehicle

[charred bolt]

Especially don't put wheels on the ground in the Geo Phys LOD for carx/tankx, as they're handled by code.

[old gulch]

Quick question for the Paths LOD. Does it specifically have to be point to point like this first screenshot, or can it be like the second?

It's just an example, but I thought it best to ask.

[white oak]

So not sure how but I've done the LODs backwards?
Details/Textures appear as I get further away from the object
turns into a black blob when I get close

[inland pawn]

Are 0 and 1 your most detailed LODs? And you’ve put the textures on them?

[white oak]

don't have 0 but yes
have 1,5,20
on that note what do the numbers signify exactly

[stuck oyster]

both should work but the right one might cause more calculation since it has more options

[stuck oyster]

they indicate the order of lod loading, smaller number loads first

(no relation to distance)

[old gulch]

Hmm, okay. So ideally every point should have an individual path to each point that I want it to connect to, but it's okay to do that if you only have a few points? Second question then, is it okay to overlap the paths?

[stuck oyster]

well in my experience the single point junction has worked better

[old gulch]

Ah, okay.

...Oh, hmm. As long as the point isn't defined with a named selection of posXX, the AI won't garrison to the point, right?