warm trench
Many thanks!
I think to get the full effect I'm after for all configurations, I'd need attachments that you could have 2 light sources plus the IR beam turned on at the same time but will do some experimenting.
(2 light sources as I'm doing LLMs with combined IR pointers and illuminators and I need one light source for the illuminators)
(Most appreciate the very speedy replies!)
bold flare
lightsource and laser at same time is possible
but two light sources isn't ._.
warm trench
Thought so - yeah, first one I'm already doing a lot of. Thanks.
Need to think more cleverly then...
bold flare
attachTo now supports attaching to specific bones, so you can make it follow the players hand precisely.
And you can now create directional lights via script.
So you could script that
warm trench
I wish I could!
I can model, bake, texture, config etc. But have close to zero scripting skills.
Might have a friend that can help though...
There's already an effect where when the laser beam hits something, you see additional scattering of light. I don't know if this is hard coded, hidden in a config somewhere or just a function of the emissivity of the laser beam itself?
But it's basically this effect that I'd like to make bigger and my crude thinking was originally to do this with an additional light but you've confirmed this isn't possible through 'normal' means if I'm already using the light for an illuminator.
So the info you've provide will already stop me spending time trying to do something that's not possible - so most appreciated
bold flare
The laser beam has a lightpoint at the end if it hits something
its controlled with irDotSize config entry
look in discord search for irDotSize, you'll find more properties
Actually its not a real light, its a 2D image that looks like a round light flare-ish
plucky depot
attachTo now supports attaching to specific bones, so you can make it follow the...
Lags in MP tho
Tried it for Helmet/Uniform lamps mod I was doing and it was not so great ;<
last spindle
@woeful viper because if you use a tracer on a bullet it stays in the direction is was fired into, no matter how steep it drops.
Yes, that is true for all ammunition classes it seems, i remember it from when i tried about 6 different ways to make a water cannon, it was next to impossible to change the direction of the model, it seemed to automaticaly place it on the flat trajectory they way it wanted it
well anyways, im sure Nou is actually planning on just spawning the projectile and controlling its flight path in some funky way to have it behave like real life, where it comes down almost vertical on the target, im talking GPS guided 155 btw
warm trench
I've not had much luck with irDotIntensity (Doesn't seem to have any effect from the testing I've done.)
But irDotSize is very useful.
@bold flare - you mentioned that it's a 2D image that looks like a light - could you provide more details on what it uses?
Possibly increasing the emissivity of this could be very useful
stuck oyster
I've not had much luck with irDotIntensity (Doesn't seem to have any effect from...
its a dot with blur transparency around it and with emissive it can be made to look glovy but it wont cast "real light" around it
warm trench
its a dot with blur transparency around it and with emissive it can be made to ...
Yeah - I think you can spot that when you look at the light around where the laser hits the ground through a magnified optic
I think this is the same kind of thing as ACE used to do for IR Chemlights before the big IR revamp
blissful spire
oddball question - is it possible to show a passengers weapon using a proxy location in a vehicle when they are inside?
stuck oyster
oddball question - is it possible to show a passengers weapon using a proxy loca...
vehicle config can force weapon hiding
some do, some dont
the passenger sitting animation dictates where the weapon is if it is visible
blissful spire
the passenger sitting animation dictates where the weapon is if it is visible
oh really?
huh
stuck oyster
mostly issues can come from different sized weapons that poke out of the vehicle
blissful spire
thats true
stuck oyster
so typically they are hidden
blissful spire
wanted to make it look like they were sitting on a rack but the different size weapon issue would cramp that
i suppose i could do a simple if/then check based on number of passengers to show/hide some parts of the model
stuck oyster
wanted to make it look like they were sitting on a rack but the different size w...
that is the problem yeah. some guns just wont fit
blissful spire
damn there goes my cool weapon rack idea for my APC im working on
stuck oyster
you could have static weapons hide/unhide that fit, but that would not necessarily match what the passengers got
but could be decent compromise
blissful spire
yeah thats what i was thinking about doing, but is it worth the extra stuff
engine resource wise
dusty basalt
I need to create an object with a very steep surface that I can walk on. Kinda reminds me of how you could easily climb steep rocks in A3. Is there a way to do it so that the player actually can get up and down?
civic forge
Hey, im trying to setup AI to cross a bridge, is there anything in particular i need to setup in the model or lods?
stuck oyster
Hey, im trying to setup AI to cross a bridge, is there anything in particular i ...
custom bridge?
for terrain placement or mission placement?
plucky pecan
Sick.
stuck oyster
if its for driving youll need it to be created in front/back direction and it will need drive way memorypoints in memorylod (A2 sample have those in case no other reference )
and when placed down it will need to have road connected to it
and for easier use you may want to also have ramps on both ends so its easier to align with uneven terrain
civic forge
Perfect thank you
civic forge
if its for driving youll need it to be created in front/back direction and it wi...
do you know of a model in A2 samples what would have this? looked at couple but no luck so far
stuck oyster
the bridge ones ๐ dont remember the names
civic forge
the bridge ones ๐
dont remember the names
don't suppose you know the names of the memory points? only can find LB,LE PB, PE?
stuck oyster
don't suppose you know the names of the memory points? only can find LB,LE PB, P...
those are the ones
Left/Right Front/Back points
they form the width of the drive area
civic forge
ok great, other then that is there anything else i would need to do?
stuck oyster
correct namedProperties
civic forge
class = main road and map = road?
stuck oyster
yeh
optionally you can also use autocenter 0 if you want easier time with placement if you need to change something in the model
civic forge
yeh
juts given it a test, the AI just stops before the bridge over the water - looking confused lol, have i missed anything?
stuck oyster
does it have geometry and roadway too?
and is it properly connected to road network?
and big enough
civic forge
does it have geometry and roadway too?
yes, namedProperties justs needs to be in geometry right?
stuck oyster
most of them are like that yes.
cursive sleet
@hollow fulcrum How many polygons did you have in your scene when you toke that screenshot with the oil rig + boat and the nimtiz?
civic forge
and is it properly connected to road network?
As in the polyline for the road?
lilac acorn
Hello, I downloaded a .pbo file from the site. (ZRK 2k12 Kub aka SA-6 Gainful). Unfortunately, the mod was not finished. The model has poor behavioral physics and no missiles, as well as no ability to shoot. I would like to redo this mod, turn the current model into a static one, add my details so that the composition comes out of it. I can work with compositions, but there is one problem. How do I turn this vehicle into a static model so that I can compose it later? Or maybe there are some easier options?
stuck oyster
Hello, I downloaded a .pbo file from the site. (ZRK 2k12 Kub aka SA-6 Gainful). ...
there are not really easy options for such. and well you cant edit someone elses model from pbo either
I dont know what site you been at but best and easiest way is to make a new model.
lilac acorn
I dont know what site you been at but best and easiest way is to make a new mode...
The site is old, and closed at the moment. But someone still runs it
http://www.armedassault.info/index.php?
stuck oyster
The site is old, and closed at the moment. But someone still runs it
http://www...
Making new one is the easiest option really. something made to be a vehicle can be difficult or even impossible to turn into a static object as you cant remove the vehicle related parts from it that will show up if its used as static object
lilac acorn
Making new one is the easiest option really. something made to be a vehicle can ...
What if I upload the pbo file separately and then compose it
I don't think the original author will mind, the last update was back in 2015๐
stuck oyster
no thats not allowed
what you think of the matter is not relevant im afraid. its just your guess in your favor
if it was allowed for you the next guy would use same argument and next one and next one
so it wont be
lilac acorn
In any case, I have no experience with anything other than vanilla compositions. So i guess i will leave this idea
Anyways, thank you for response !
stuck oyster
๐ maybe you can find something similar that works in other mods
north sundial
Awesome job @ember heart cant believe thats only 2.2k polys :)
alpine arch
@stuck oyster @charred bolt The change to the model I made was to re-do the wheels from simple cylinders to add tyre treads. It's crashing Object builder now on the 1.0 LOD when checking for non-convexity
charred bolt
<@150949769953411072> <@273596087229480970> The change to the model I made was t...
How many polys (tri's) total in the LOD?
alpine arch
142k ๐ฌ
charred bolt
That's the issue
stuck oyster
it is hefty ๐
but alos why you check lod 1 for non convextiy
geometry lod is where that matters
alpine arch
Yeah massively, I upped it because I looked at a RHS one and the stats came out at 136k
charred bolt
buldozer won't function with more than 130-150k 'ish
It'll still build and go in game, just not usable with buldozer. Whether you should be making a LOD 0 model with 142k is a point that people will enjoy arguing. Most will suggest reducing it for performance reasons.
alpine arch
Is there a guide number that you tend to go for?
stuck oyster
what kind of a thing you are making?
charred bolt
It depends on what kind of vehicle.
alpine arch
8 wheeled APC/IFV
stuck oyster
less than 90k perhaps
alpine arch
The poly budget was decimated when I sacked off using height maps for the treads
charred bolt
I'd aim for 85k max in LOD 0, that's been shown to be "safe".
alpine arch
Yeah
alpine arch
They do, was seeing how far I could push it
charred bolt
Use a high poly to bake normals into your simpler LOD 0 mesh.
alpine arch
Alrighty, I'll get the sandpaper out and kill some polys
stuck oyster
๐
charred bolt
Bear in mind these vehicles are typically driven off-road and much of the tread can get filled with mud, so you can disguise some lack of resolution with nice weathering.
alpine arch
Good idea, I was considering just doing it with textures in substance but it didn't look as nice as I wanted it to
stuck oyster
and while the wheel details are cool, they are one of the least seen things
passengers dont see much of them even in 3rd person
anyone shooting at it try to shoot from distance
only someone getting driven over by it see them xD
basically
charred bolt
What about the sock-sticky bomb guy? ๐
alpine arch
I'll maybe just add some treads around the rim and texture the rest
stuck oyster
What about the sock-sticky bomb guy? ๐
well maybe that guy too ๐
hollow fulcrum
@cursive sleet ermm... probably around 300k if you count all the LODs. maybe more like 350k with the Mk.V in there. RV can handle lots of polys just fine, so can modern GPU's, its the section counts that will eat you alive. Granted if you're 1100m or so offshore, it's fairly trivial in the section counts arena also.
charred bolt
I'll maybe just add some treads around the rim and texture the rest
Yep, best idea.
alpine arch
Is that how yours were done? I was having a look at the husky specifically
charred bolt
Husky is 3k per wheel with full treads. However, we've learnt a lot since then and if I were re-working it, I'd probably optimise it a fair bit. That said, I don't think any performance issues have been reported on it.
alpine arch
We don't tend to get any with 75ish players and 3 Husky's bobbing around
Are the bolts just texture?
cursive sleet
section counts? like in selections?
charred bolt
No, bolts are mesh.
alpine arch
Thanks, I'll report back when I'm below 70 - 90k ๐
slate epoch
@ember heart heya ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
woeful viper
i dont think you know the difference...
cursive sleet
me? well english is not my native languege :P so forgive me if i misunderstand you guys
hollow fulcrum
cursive sleet
Thanks :)
hollow fulcrum
thats what im here for ... i think.
cursive sleet
Btw: What is the recommend normal map res for arma 3? is 4k a bit to high?
hearty pagoda
take 20k 4k is for loosers
cursive sleet
Good one
hollow fulcrum
i use a 4k on the Mk.V's largest texture. but most things are fine with a 2k map. granted many things are 4k in ArmA.
like buildings (multimaps), and most of the vehicles i think.
for the sake of history and extra knowledge, there were actually hardware limitations a couple/few years back. but RV has been able to handle 4k maps for quite some time. modern GPU's can keep up for the most part.
cursive sleet
Okay thanks :)
dusky dragon
who can tell me what the diameter of the M61 Vulcan barrel is, not a single barrel (which is 20mm) but the entire barrel with all 6 smaller barrels
hollow fulcrum
hrmm.. i'd have to guesstimate it myself. good ole eye ball works pretty well if you have some decent images.
dusky dragon
i have a feeling it is 20 cm total, but not sure
cursive sleet
didnt the FBX file i sendt help you out brian?
dusky dragon
10 cm just seems to small
it did, but i am not sure about the size of the entire barrel
cursive sleet
it look like the barrel in the midle is not biger than 30-40 mm in diamenter
looks like its 30mm in diameter :P thats why im guessing the barrel with all 6 barrels are 10cm
https://i.gyazo.com/c650161f22240ae2eed4f7fe3916182e.png
empty aurora
Hi, I have read ( maybe not learned or understood) pinned messages.
But I ask (before I start my big project to get my model to p3d and work in Arma)
Is there more guides/ videos how to build (this part I almost understand) and get that to p3d and get that works in Arma.
Is there some Basic configs which I can already write or do I always have write all from 0 (for every new object).
Maybe not clear questions, it's Monday, so...
tawdry veldt
is there a limit to how many hidden selections you can have set up on a model?
marsh canyon
Let's say I have multiple vertexes. Each have different weight, 0.0 to 1.0, according to my decision.
I have isDiscrete = 0 on my skeleton.
However those vertexes behave like 0 or 1, regardless the actual weight when I apply a translate as an animation. What it could be?
marsh canyon
PS. I'm using the game to preview what I have, I'm not using Buldozer
marsh canyon
class CfgSkeletons
{
class testSkeleton
{
isDiscrete = 0;
skeletonInherit = "";
skeletonBones[]={
"bone",""
};
};
};
class CfgModels
{
class testObject
{
skeletonName = "testSkeleton";
class Animations
{
class translation
{
type = "translationZ";
source = "user";
selection = "bone";
};
};
};
};```
This kind of situation (the model.cfg doesn't represent the actual code but only pseudo to tell how it is basically). Anyone has a clue?
marsh canyon
```cpp
class CfgSkeletons
{
class testSkeleton
{
isDiscrete = 0;...
I think I've found the issue, I didn't have the base bone
stuck oyster
I think I've found the issue, I didn't have the base bone
This would be it yes! Without root/base bone to act as the counter weight, the smooth won't work ๐๐
marsh canyon
Good to know ๐
stuck oyster
is there a limit to how many hidden selections you can have set up on a model?
Perhaps. I've seen maybe 5 or 6 used
Commonly there are less
stuck oyster
Hi, I have read ( maybe not learned or understood) pinned messages.
But I ask (b...
There are the Arma 3 samples
And config making usually uses inheriting to get base attributes from an established common base (samples have this)
So your new class would just add what you want to change
runic plover
PS. I'm using the game to preview what I have, I'm not using Buldozer
You got a lot time dont you? ๐
marsh canyon
Nein! I've just used Diag exe
empty aurora
So your new class would just add what you want to change
Spectacular! This was what I needed. Yeah, I'll look through these samples. I got the modules working through the examples in the samples. So I'd say I can make this work as well
tawdry veldt
Perhaps. I've seen maybe 5 or 6 used
thanks. only going 2/3 but never seen above 2 personally so just wanted to avoid breaking something ๐
stuck oyster
๐๐๐๐
tranquil spire
IIRC stuff like chimeras or lemans from TIOW use 4+... Or maybe it was the Sentinel
charred bolt
thanks. only going 2/3 but never seen above 2 personally so just wanted to avoid...
I don't think there is a top limit. I've used 13 before without issue and as HG says, 6 or so on vehicles is common with changeable camo + decals.
tawdry veldt
sweet - thanks ๐
woeful viper
look for blueprints of planes/ tanks with it that show it. Then you can deduct the size via known measures (length of tank etc)... provided you dont find a blueprint of the weapon itself
hollow fulcrum
for what it's worth (i happen to have a M134 model), the barrels taper down at the end. it is a bit odd until you take a good look at it.
civic stratus
we dont need hidden selections for pip mirrors do we?
hollow fulcrum
no
alpine arch
142k to 86k ๐ฅฒ
civic stratus
didnt think so, i just read something that suggested it and wanted to double check
thorn spire
Is there a way to make part.of an object reflective
Kinda wondering the.rvmat for.it
hollow fulcrum
like actually render the environment around it? no. best you'll get is shiny stuff. you could use a PIP to make a mirror obviously. but thats about it for those things.
and thats kind of screwy in it's own right.
thorn spire
Np i was thinkin like those marker poles along roads
Wich have reflective stripes on them
hollow fulcrum
ah, well in that case, yes there are things you can do to make that more effective via the .rvmat/maps.
actual 'reflection' though, light bouncing back at you.. is a no go. you could make the reflective bits have some self-illumination (very little). and make those stripes stand out more with the .smdi map.
would look pretty good with the current dynamic lights for vehicles.
civic stratus
whats a good fov for vehicle mirrors? 0.7 looks REALLY zoomed in
hollow fulcrum
really depends on the mirror honestly. first things first, make sure you stretch out the UV for the PiP.
if you've done that properly (it needs to remain in scale if not square, and centered*), then just do whatever looks right. and do us all a favor by taking the time to look at it several times to make sure it's useful. :P
civic stratus
I'm seeing renderVisionMode 4 for mirror, but I'm seeing 0 used in the samples for HDR
hollow fulcrum
i can not account for many things in the samples. or lack of things thereof.
0 im pretty sure is HDR.
civic stratus
it is
hollow fulcrum
look at it, at night, and it will all make sense.
remote fulcrum
Hi there!
I want to make a new IDF mod, focusing on the repair units. M-113 Fitter / Repair, M-88...
With this, I want to add spare parts requirement, to make the logistics a little more realistic.
Can these be done?
stuck oyster
Hi there!
I want to make a new IDF mod, focusing on the repair units. M-113 Fitt...
sure, but will be a lot of work
remote fulcrum
I can help with textures and info... I still serve in the IDF reserves...
stuck oyster
I think you misunderstood. its going to be a lot of work for you
its unlikely anyone will do it for you
remote fulcrum
I don't know how to model... (yet, apparently.. ๐ )
civic stratus
will the stars be alligned?
jokes aside, my pip classes have all the same values besides their position/directions, and the mempoints have the same angle, so why would one be pointing in a different direction in-game?
hollow fulcrum
can only be one of 3 things. UV, mempoints, and/or definitions of said mempoints. you have an image? be easier to tell.
civic stratus
i do
past canopy
I do most stuff in 4K and some in 2K.... If your PC has a lot of trouble loading 4K textures for weapons you should get a new PC
terse elm
hatchet u got a few mins?
hollow fulcrum
aye, about 19 as of right now.
terse elm
cool il hop on ur ts
hollow fulcrum
k give me a sec, be there.
terse elm
can u pm me the address again, it dont bloody save
hollow fulcrum
you fail to mash buttons. lol, one sec
lilac acorn
Hello, can you please tell me what parameters will affect the size of the object in the game itself?
stuck oyster
The actual size of the model.
lilac acorn
The actual size of the model.
Can i change the size using some tools for example?
The thing is, I wanted to make a drink can by just making it a little bit bigger than a vanilla can, and smoother
charred bolt
Each grid square in Object Builder is 1m, and the same in game.
civic stratus
config values: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xbpdD3MU
so in one, you can see the horizion, and the other seems to be angled down towards the ground, yet both dir memory points are in line with their pos counterparts
i would expect the issue to be caused by the dir point to be lower than the pos, but thats not the case
orchid spruce
can someone clear up something regarding fire geometry and the plate materials? let's say I have a geometry shape that is just a 10x10x10cm cube and apply a 10mm plate material to it, the way I always understood is that arma will then basically treat that cube as being hollow while having 10mm thick walls, like in the image, is that correct?
https://i.imgur.com/ioUQVht.png
halcyon hill
can someone clear up something regarding fire geometry and the plate materials? ...
Iirc it treats the cube as one big plate 10mm thick ballistics vise. Altough I might be wrong here, I haven't tested this all too much
pallid island
If the fire geometry is thinner than the Thickness value, the actual geometry thickness is used instead. If the fire geometry is thicker, the Thickness value overrides it and is used. The game does take into account LOS thickness by evaluating an incoming projectile's angle-of-incidence (relative to the geometry normal).
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Config_Properties_Megalist#Thickness ๐ค
orchid spruce
that's where my confusion comes from
pallid island
only first face hit in the component shape is calculated (just one surface)
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Bullet_penetrability
sounds like one 10mm penetration if the cube is a single component
orchid spruce
if it were to then treat a 100mm thick cube as 10mm thickness, how the hell is a shot that's supposed to be able to penetrate 15mm going to behave
will it just skip the whole inside area and come out the other end? because I don't think that's how that kind of stuff behaves in the actual game
pallid island
but the doc does indeed sound like that from what i see. I wonder how would the acceptable testing setup look
orchid spruce
I've done vehicles where the firegeometry was just basically a block of the whole hull with like a 15mm thickness armor material applied
and I'm pretty sure it didn't behave like that
because if there were units that would be inside that block, they would get hit
which would then suggest it does behave like in my image
stuck oyster
because if there were units that would be inside that block, they would get hit
Where the proxies in the firegeometry lod?
orchid spruce
yeah
pallid island
well, quick and dirty test results. MX with ammo caliber of 1 and weapon initSpeed of 800. Theoretical penetration (15*1) * (800/1000) = 12 mm.
1 m cube with one geometry component and "\a3\data_f\penetration\armour_plate_7mm.rvmat" material - bullets penetrate (and they shouldn't if two walls are calculated).
Similar cube with "\a3\data_f\penetration\armour_plate_12mm.rvmat" material - no penetrations at all (i think because the bullet loses a bit of speed when traveling, making its theoretical penetration lower than 12).
MX SW with the same ammo and initSpeed of 880. Theoretical penetration of 13.2 (10% higher).
No problems penetrating the "7mm" cube.
Barely penetrates "12mm" cube.
Experiment seems to confirm both "only one penetration per component" and theoretical penetration formula ๐คทโโ๏ธ
orchid spruce
but what is penetration in that context? if there is something inside that cube, does it get hit? does the bullet come out the other end?
also what is that penetration formula?
pallid island
Penetration power is dependent on caliber and the projectile's speed--higher = more penetration. The formula for mm of penetration is:
(projectile speed / 1000)x(caliber)x(bulletPenetrability of the target BISURF)
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Config_Properties_Megalist#caliber ๐คทโโ๏ธ
orchid spruce
can you try to put something in the middle of that cube and see if that gets hit in your example?
pallid island
with the _unit setPosATL getPosATL _7mmCube bullets that pass through the cube damage the unit. With the "12mm" cube bullets don't seem to reach the unit.
orchid spruce
but then that would contradict that bit in the wiki you linked, as it means the bullet path is calculated inside the geometry as it hit the unit
and if the 12mm one gets penetrated but the bullet doesn't go past the penetration
pallid island
if you interpret it this way - wiki contradicts itself at https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Damage_Description#3._Penetrating_Damage ๐คทโโ๏ธ
orchid spruce
so at the end of the day, if you say that the unit inside the geometry did get hit, then it sort of does behave like in my image
with the exception that the bullet doesn't seem to lose any power upon first penetration in that case
if it can go in through one side of the 7mm and go out through the other
pallid island
bullet seems to lose the power on first penetration, judging by the fact it needs 5 hits to pelvis area to kill a test dummy ๐คทโโ๏ธ
charred bolt
You wait until you start adding in hitpoints and try to figure that out too, it gets even more messy. Best to use armorComponent tank dlc type methods.
orchid spruce
also back to that formula, I've seen some configs use something like this for caliber
caliber="(160/((15*780)/1000))";
which seems like slightly different from that formula in the wiki but still seems to work the same way?
with 160 being mm of penetration and 780 being projectile speed
I guess that formula is somehow created from the one in the wiki
pallid island
๐คทโโ๏ธ i choose to interpret that as "if a bullet can penetrate the component - it travels all the way to the exit point in straight line in a single frame"
orchid spruce
well it's not a single frame if it hits something along the way
I guess maybe it still does a trace between the entry point and the exit point to check if there is something inbetween
charred bolt
It's why overlapping fire geo isn't generally recommended, leads to unpredictable results.
orchid spruce
yeah but it does mean that for something simple like an APC that is only protecting against small arms, making just one big geometry shape for the hull and applying a material of like 15mm or something works well enough
like for an m113
charred bolt
You can, but doesn't your APC have hatches or doors that open? I use hollow geometry for such things.
orchid spruce
it depends on the APC
pallid island
also back to that formula, I've seen some configs use something like this for ca...
it's the exact inverse ๐คทโโ๏ธ
orchid spruce
in some cases the hatches are small enough and open so rarely that it's not an issue
for an M113 ideally it would be open since the cargo doors might be open
pallid island
"inverse" as in "getting caliber from penetration instead of vice versa"
charred bolt
The M113's in SOG are hollow geo if that's any interest.
orchid spruce
oh is it, I'm bad at math so I didn't get that
yeah cause those have the cargo doors openable
but for something like a soviet APC that only has small hatches on the top or something, that you might as well not bother even animating, it would be fine
charred bolt
Not if you want to avoid overlapping fire geo, and also want to place things like engine blocks, fuel tanks etc inside, and use the armorComponent method for damage. Fire Geo can be quite complex, much more so than the other Geo LOD's.
pallid island
well, separate walls can improve the calculation of overpen ๐คฃ
orchid spruce
but hitpoints inside of a fire geometry shape still will get hit, won't they?
and if something from a proxy inside will get hit, wouldn't armor components then also get hit?
charred bolt
With armorComponent, hitpoints become almost redundant, only being used for explosive damage calcs
With using the old method, hitpoint placement, how they overlap or are contained inside fire geo, and through how many fire geo components the bullet passes becomes very important
Your work to check what is happening is good stuff though - I guess you realise you can use dev branch diagnostic exe to change to a "Fire Geometry" view, and also enable shot tracing to visualise bullet impact and penetration.
orchid spruce
but armorComponents being inside other firegeo components would still take hits, right?
if the outer one is penetrated
it's all so confusing
I hope it's more clear in the new engine
civic stratus
i streteched it like hatchet suggested
stuck oyster
for models
new models need to be textured fully new. templates have nothing to do with making new models
fierce breach
new models need to be textured fully new. templates have nothing to do with maki...
are there ready made models
like free ones
stuck oyster
no
fierce breach
but you cant have the models
ah kk
stuck oyster
retexturing is made by just painting textures
stuck oyster
no
stuck oyster
there is a sample character in the Arma3 samples on steam
stuck oyster
on steam...
stuck oyster
also if you find free models on internet make sure they are not ripped from other games. Using such will result in ban
fierce breach
also if you find free models on internet make sure they are not ripped from othe...
will take that as a precaution
got the model
but how do i add the material and texture from the sample files
stuck oyster
but how do i add the material and texture from the sample files
not sure what you mean
fierce breach
not sure what you mean
like color
stuck oyster
I mean what do you try to do there
stuck oyster
this cap?
fierce breach
yes this cap
stuck oyster
well for general "how to use blender" you should be able to find all kinds of tutorials on how blender works
stuck oyster
that usually means a file needs to be converted to another file type
fierce breach
.P3D - model
.FBX - animation
.max -??
those are different model formats
stuck oyster
usually it is a model format
stuck oyster
you probably need to get it from the game files
stuck oyster
the models are just examples
not especially meant to be actually used
well they can be used but they are not that great
they should be compatible with textures for same models in game though
stuck oyster
there are couple of tutorial series but nothing 100% complete
fierce breach
kk
hollow fulcrum
@civic stratus try rotating the UV 180.
@white jay Helmets can be higher than most objects because of all the curvature. but i'd say somewhere around 2.5k should be plenty in most cases.
thorn spire
@hollow fulcrum k ty
hollow fulcrum
and i really shouldn't say they can be higher. it really just depends on what you're modelling, and how much detail you really want there. beyond that though, is the legitimate concern of 'performance', and to that extent, as few as possible to maintain the desired amount of detail, is the general rule.
we sometimes battle 50-60 AI in a pretty tight area. if they are all wearing 5k helmets.. it adds up. especially with everything else in the scene. so small, repeating, used often things, really should be 'optimized'. and equally important, is having the additional resolution LODs for performance. Amazes me how many guys don't invest the time to get past a single resolution LOD.. ๐
civic stratus
should I do something for the faces of my mirrors in the lighting & shadows category?
hollow fulcrum
nah, pip is pretty straightforward.
civic stratus
having to resize uv's doesnt really seem too straight forward to me, lol
hollow fulcrum
well, it's actually pretty common stuff. is a DX function :P
they really do need to stay centered also. although you can do some interesting things if purposely mucking about with these things.
thorn spire
@hollow fulcrum thats the thing, saw game read helmet model for A3 lod0 was 20k
But what about having 100 guys havin those
hollow fulcrum
and you guys think i use to many polys on occasion. that seems somewhat retarded to me.
but, that LOD only fires when within a certain distance.
hollow fulcrum
i made a really terrible YT video using a testing thing I made some time ago. regarding LOD's. im really suprised there is a 20k LOD zero honestly. but if it looks good and works. so be it. which model is that?
hollow fulcrum
oh, i thought for some reason we were talking about A3 assets.
hollow fulcrum
if BIS did that, i'd be really suprised. ;)
thorn spire
What about vehicles, tanks
We got ifv rdy
Its round 9k
Dont see point adding more details
hollow fulcrum
thats great. vehicles can be in the 20k-60k range. some higher when adding all the proxies and things in place.
thorn spire
But was suprised if BIS uses 4k tex
Ppl always talking that engine will downgrqde to 2k
woeful viper
@hollow fulcrum >>> "Amazes me how many guys don't invest the time to get past a single resolution LOD.."
yeah... 20k res lod, 40k shadow lod0, no shadow lod1 ... classics
hollow fulcrum
i'm guilty of somewhat absurd boundary pushing. but to not have full LODs, especially the one's that literally and completely affect performance is just ... poorly played. not to be rude, just being real.
woeful viper
@white jay >>> "Well cant bash the moddee"
good quality models is no excuse for bad optimization. You shouldnt bash, but critisism shouldn't be dissallowed...
hollow fulcrum
yes, and for those unaware. it is generally constructive criticism coming from us. much โค for those that do.
woeful viper
firefly's F-15 is such a candidate (iirc, was a while back) ... i wondered why my fps tanked, had a look at the model stats via eliteness. well only res lod 0 , only shadow lod 0, 40k tris on shadow.
this is ok maybe for singleplayer or coop where only you use it, but for large operation with combined arms and multiple mods?
haha... well i guess i have a suggestion for the tool makers (or THE toolmaker) then
hollow fulcrum
40k shadow lod is pretty painful. think mkv with all proxies is around 8k.. (4 weapons on back deck..)
i lied 5k.
thorn spire
@woeful viper true
But since yet havent published anything myself
Who am I to judge
Even tho I know the somehow "correct" way to approach these problems
But agree 100%
I think it is the time thing, you wanna get it out.. Put at what cost
woeful viper
there are optimization tools that can do it in a couple of seconds for you. Not as ideal as spending some time on it, but it works at least
e.g. max has proOptimize modifier and it works ok. If you do some little finetuning (cutting up model and seperately optimize individual pieces based on detail level) you get pretty good results
last spindle
Shadow LOD with more than 5k verts will kill performance, this was tested using the perfm testing framework from reddit I'm improving on......
hollow fulcrum
well that 5k is actually across 4 models. main model is 1200 :)
sry 6 models..
and sry, but i'm unaware of the aforementioned framework. i dont reddit, that is for sure. but if you have a link to something useful, i have tons of things i can run through.
civic stratus
question regarding the texture path for render targets, what are the first two numbers after argb supposed to be for?
hollow fulcrum
and the smaller shadowLod on the MkV is only 130 verts (just in case my sanity is really in question).
thorn spire
How many shadow lods there should be?
hollow fulcrum
@civic stratus i believe that is the relative texture size of the render target. which is restricted.
@white jay generally 2.
hollow fulcrum
here is how it works, generally you should have 2 shadowLods. 0/10 as punched into OB. 0 is your distance LOD, or what will be shown beyond X'meters. 10 would be your detailed shadowLod. if for some reason you do not have a shadowLod present, the engine will attempt to use the geoLod for shadows.
in the case of very simple geometry, sometimes all you really need is the distance LOD for shadows.
there is also a difference between volume/stencil shadows but thats for a later date. as im hungry.
hollow fulcrum
as a tack on bit of information. you can proxy shadow lods like most things. so say you have a really badass Apache model, and want the hyper awesomeness of shadows for switches and things, you can manage that via proxies without super uber performance hits. it's all relative to the 'entire scene' though.
lime basin
do you have to define proxies in the skeleton? I cannot get my pilot view to show up
stuck oyster
do you have to define proxies in the skeleton? I cannot get my pilot view to sho...
what proxies? commonly no, proxies are not related to skeleton
lime basin
pilot proxy, I defined it in my memory LOD but still no luck
I feel like I'm missing a step
lime basin
OH YEAH
stuck oyster
assuming you are doing a vehicle
stuck oyster
you can check out the A3 samples on steam for reference
civic stratus
Did they take width right out of the phsyx wheel definitions?
reading this guide: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Cars_Config_Guidelines but I'm not seeing width in the sample
wraith tendon
afaik Width is taken from boundary + Center of Wheel Axis
woeful viper
"you can manage that via proxies without super uber performance hits. it's all relative to the 'entire scene' though."
-> thats what view pilot shadow lod is for. That can be as high as you want, cause it only is ever displayed for the pilot
no dscha... by boundary + center you can only determine radius
width is determined by "stoppa" or however they where named
wraith tendon
Ah! yeah!
plucky pecan
With the radius you can determine circumference. :)
Which is a PhysX variable.
Handy hints with Raid. :D
woeful viper
the circumference you input in the config - i think - is only used for wheel animation speed
because having it + the boundary + center would be redundant
wraith tendon
Wasn't it for destruct Wheels also?
woeful viper
circumference? idk
plucky pecan
Hmm, BI put wheelCircumference in their PhysX config.
plucky pecan
Ask in animation?
thorn spire
@woeful viper well yeah :) http://ben3d.co.uk/foxhound
hollow fulcrum
does viewPilotShadowLOD still work? i thought it was all either res0 or cargo now
plucky pecan
I believe all LOD's still work.
plucky pecan
Don't take my word, I haven't tested it.
hollow fulcrum
i dont actually have a model i've been playing with to care or look. the mkv and buildings don't have this need. but i remember conversation about it and some testing.. thats about it.
plucky pecan
It would be pretty simple to test tbh. Have a square for normal shadowLOD and have a sphere for Pilot, and have no Geo for either Res0 or PilotView.
Which will show you which shadow shows.
plucky pecan
You being cheeky Hatchet?
hollow fulcrum
nevar!
plucky pecan
I would test it but playing csgo.
hollow fulcrum
you are as useless as i.
plucky pecan
xD
wraith tendon
HE SAID THE CURSED WORDS!!!!
hollow fulcrum
im still trying to pretend he didnt say it
plucky pecan
I think he is angry, can't tell.
hollow fulcrum
๐
wraith tendon
bbaadd raid! very bad raid! nonono!
hollow fulcrum
kllrt is another one of those bad puppies..
wraith tendon
6:30 am... way to early for me -.
plucky pecan
Stitch my nose to csgo? Oh goodie, I get to play more. MUHAHAHAHA!
wraith tendon
Hatchet, its time to castrate him
plucky pecan
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
wraith tendon
nonono! You go and play CounterShit
hollow fulcrum
hahaha
wraith tendon
The adults will discuss this
woeful tartan
#other_games_chat and #offtopic_arma for those fights plz ;)
hollow fulcrum
Hatchet runs for the hills...
ah in compact mode, i need not name myself..
runs to another set of hills..
plucky pecan
Run to skype :p
hollow fulcrum
really does hurt my eyes now..
last spindle
I got viewpilot shadow working, but it had other crazy issues, probably only relevant to my spec vehicle, it can work but you need extra values in config and p3d
wraith tendon
Okay, i need 1-2 slaves/tester :) Need to see, if "Standalone" Trailer is working as intendend
Anyone has 10-15min?
umbral shuttle
if I dont have a view cargo LOD, will the visual res lod be used as default? Have the view cargo lod more or less doubles the size of my p3d since its for passengers that sit outside
past canopy
http://i.imgur.com/PlEtgQ7.png fucking Arma'd once again
past canopy
no
my asshole oxygen guy thought it was really funny to change the "zasleh" name in the model.cfg to "zasIeh"... with an i instead of an l but capitolized
wraith tendon
:D
past canopy
he showed me pics of it working on his PC and then kept telling me I needed to go back to windows 7 for it to work
:P
wraith tendon
I like him :D
hollow fulcrum
hahaha, thats quality there.
umbral shuttle
Oh okay, I feel like I saw something I'll go peep
copper trout
Hi, I've been trying to make my own mod from an existing one, replacing textures etc. but I don't know how to make my mod work together with the existing one, I can only replace it and I would like to know how I could create my own mod from the original one and make them work together. I need help!!!!
stuck oyster
Hi, I've been trying to make my own mod from an existing one, replacing textures...
Im sensing you are not doing it right at all
you can do retexture mod IF a existing mod is has models set up for hiddenselections
copper trout
I know that you have to add the classes in config.cfg but I don't know how
stuck oyster
retexturing mod does not replace anything from the original
it only contains your config and the new texture files
if you are replacing original files you are doing it wrong
first of all make sure the mod you try to make a additional mod out of supports retexturing via hiddenselections
copper trout
I created my own pbo from the textures of the original and I created my own file, then I loaded it with original but mine overwrites the original mod
copper trout
retexturing mod does not replace anything from the original
Yes I think so because the hidenselections appear in the lines of code, I am trying to create my own helmet from another mod but idk how
stuck oyster
your mod will need a config file and your new texture file
and in config you need cfgPatches class that is the header of your config that connects it to the game
and then config for the helmet so that your new helmet class inherit config from the original one and you only need to add config paramters for things you change
like the name and what hiddenselection texture you use
#arma3_config can be used for further config questions
copper trout
and in config you need cfgPatches class that is the header of your config that c...
ok thank you very much
stuck oyster
and nothing of the original mod is packed with your mod
its just used as a dependency
copper trout
and nothing of the original mod is packed with your mod
but i have practically a whole copy of the mod on my pbo, i just changed a couple of p.aa files
copper trout
but i have practically a whole copy of the mod on my pbo, i just changed a coupl...
Sorry. Of the entire mod no. Only the pbo of the helmet
stuck oyster
that is not correct way to do stuff
and not allowed in most cases
most of the time doing such would get your mod removed
copper trout
I only intend to try to learn how to do it. It is a mod exclusively for personal use, I do not intend to share it in the whorkshop
stuck oyster
well best to learn the right way to do stuff
that way you can actually ask for help too
nobody can help you if you dont do mods in the way they are supposed to be done and everyone else does
copper trout
I just pretend to want to add my name and stuff to the helmet of the existing mod, but separating the different models, only that
stuck oyster
I'll pretend you did not just say you gonna go around stealing mods and keep you in the server for one more chance to make stuff correct way.
stuck oyster
I just pretend to want to add my name and stuff to the helmet of the existing mo...
deal?
copper trout
I'm really just trying to make my own helmet from the mod model to play with my friends, not trying to steal anything just trying to learn. I could give you my steamID so that you stay calmer and see that I have no objects or anything uploaded to the whorkshop. XDD.
stuck oyster
well do the mod in correct way and its alright
since you are sharing it with friends its not even private use
not a biggie to do it right either, just delete the other files your mod does not need and make the configs and youre done
copper trout
The idea is to have each of us the helmet with our name, nothing more just for us
stuck oyster
and in any cays the way you have done it your mod can not work with the original one or the other ones you want to have since it replaces the original files
copper trout
Yes I think the problem is in the configs
slate epoch
@past canopy https://i.imgur.com/i5zOPxK.jpg
past canopy
thought of that pic
RIP me trying to reposition the hands... can't even get the RTM into blender or anything
stuck oyster
correct memorypoints for wheels? correct physX config?
stuck oyster
ugh thats a big config to look at
so cant really say anything about it
but looking at your video its most likely either or both of the options I gave
stuck oyster
you can get the dev branch diagnostic exe and try the physX visualisation tools
that could help
radiant bridge
just fixed it ;)
radiant bridge
you can get the dev branch diagnostic exe and try the physX visualisation tools
by any chance do you know what exact parameters I need to change to make the suspension softer?
it turns like a rock lol
stuck oyster
by any chance do you know what exact parameters I need to change to make the sus...
nope
I think its multiple
check if the Car sample has any info in its comments for the physx config
also what was the fix for the previous problem?
radiant bridge
arma does calculates the distance between the boundary point and the center of the wheel using the wheel axis memory point (or just my config is like that, lol)
so I did that
not sure if that's a good way to fix it but it's working now
stuck oyster
thats just your config I believe
I think vanilla has separate point for the wheels center and boundary
if a calculation selection contains 2 or more points, their median center should be used
but with physX it might do different things too 
last spindle
RTM is nothing more than a BI format it wont work in anything that is not a BI game / tool
civic stratus
why am I unable to reset the mass of my geometry lod =/
last spindle
you can edit some RTM's in OB, for weapons, everything else but the hands is ignored, so if you need to move the hands, just drag the hands around and re-export them, ignore everything else
past canopy
k
last spindle
you could try and do more complex stuff in OB, but it would be soooo damn tedious, crazy..........................
past canopy
how is everyone does handanims then?
wheat shoal
hey guys,
trying to make a hand animation, using HopeJ's Blender rig
this is what I'm getting http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/398926042166501820/418DEFD65B7AB9E5EF29A683CE70F6F1E4FA850C/
if the everything but the hands are being ignored in the anim then there shouldn't be any stretching right?
past canopy
^ literally exactly what I'm fucking trying to do
what does it look like in blender cole?
last spindle
I do hand animations by asking others too do them ..... literaly
wheat shoal
http://i.imgur.com/OFVLo40.png this is in Blender
last spindle
well the hands look like that because something went wrong in the bones of the hands/fingers, most probably it looks like a scale issue, they are similar position, but they are dislocated :s
candid fog
If I wanted to merge a face item with another face item, how would I do that?
boreal jolt
If you have access to the unbinarised models, then just merge them together in either Object Builder or the modelling program that you're using.
If they're binarised, then it's not possible. Though you can simulate it via config by having one of the two facewear items be a hat.
stuck oyster
If I wanted to merge a face item with another face item, how would I do that?
This ๐ covers it pretty much. What kind of models are you talking about?
candid fog
Just wanted to essentially merge peltor goggles with a lower face half mask
stuck oyster
Just wanted to essentially merge peltor goggles with a lower face half mask
So not models you have source files for?
charred bolt
https://prnt.sc/X_3dW1Y5pTVb
This is exactly the correct way to make it work.
The axis points should be very close together (or you can just use one point) and the boundary point should be directly below it in the vertical direction on the tyre edge.
wheat shoal
awesome, forgot to tick "root transform only" now I shall proceed to get cancer trying to centre my reference model on the bone
dim mica
I have this problem that character in car looks up and not straight to forward. What has been done for the problem to be fixed is replacing proxys and making new animation. But still the character continues to look wrong way. Is there someplace else where this is defined?
stuck oyster
I have this problem that character in car looks up and not straight to forward. ...
driver, gunner or cargo?
dim mica
driver
dim mica
should be i have even tilted it to see if there is any change in result but no luck
stuck oyster
what action do you give the driver in config?
the proxy only puts the character in that spot, but the config action is what defines the actual RTM used
have you tried using some vanilla RTM/driver action?
and do you have the driver proxy in all necessary lods
viewpilot, firegeometry
dim mica
proxys should be on those lods yes
ill try arma action to see what happens
hmm driver_low01 used that one and same result on the direction of eyes
stuck oyster
try deleting the proxy triangle and selection and make new one
dim mica
deleted all and made new ones still same issue
past canopy
It is nice having a chat that doesn't lag like shit
dim mica
in this case the looking up might be though optical illusion
since the previous actions dont move the sight anywhere i can only adjust the height by moving the proxy up or down
vast tulip
heyo again
got a question regarding custom foliage, is there any "preferred" program for doing that in a3?
stuck oyster
got a question regarding custom foliage, is there any "preferred" program for do...
not really. any 3d modeling program can be used
there are some plant generator programs too that can work but the real pro ones cost quite a bit of money
vast tulip
i see i see
stuck oyster
depends what kind of stuff you are after
vast tulip
i dont wana be that guy, but do you have any useful resources or tips to get started on foliage modelling? trying to make my map but it requires a few custom trees and bushes
ah
stuck oyster
well not really. There are tutorials on how to make game trees around for different 3d programs
vast tulip
been searching youtube for a bit now, can only really find stylized workflows
stuck oyster
and the Arma2 samples contain A2 plants that can be used for reference and study material
stuck oyster
also BI wiki has a tree material page that can give some reference as to what kind of textures and materials the trees use
stuck oyster
optimization is the key with plants and it can take time to get it right
badly made tree can have big effect on fps
vast tulip
yeah, thats the bit that worries me is that i may not get optimization correct
about how many tris should a tree be for A3 standards?
same as a2?
vast tulip
right right
stuck oyster
and how lush it needs to be
Id say best to try to stay under 10k for first lod unless its very big tree
but the line is drawn on water really
vast tulip
alrighty, well for this one i'll try stay under 10k for good practice
stuck oyster
the rule of thumb is always "the less you can make it with the better it performs"
and if there are something similar in size and look in A2 or A3 check the tris count on the model for reference
optimization is not only just tris though
its also managing the transparency and sometimes few more tris is better if you cut out a huge chunk of "empty space"
as overlaying transparency is taxing for rendering
vast tulip
alrighty, got it
shell flare
it's nice having a chat that works
vast tulip
got another question uh, this one is more a skill issue on my half but
how do you apply leave textures to a tree? i added them to flat planes but i cant seem to work out how to spam them on the trees and get them looking nice
elder fulcrum
๐ค
Lmao I figured it out myself.
I am using the same method as the ArmA 3 Malden DLC sandbags to make my own sandbags, though its a lot of fun getting hte right canvas material and coloration down... before I had issues with applying the texture but it was just myRVMAT being weird. Thank u though
stuck oyster
I am using the same method as the ArmA 3 Malden DLC sandbags to make my own sand...
๐
left root
I'm trying to find out how to import models to blender and I just can't find anything useful
I just want a basic head to work from, man
If anyone could help me, I'd be grateful
hybrid frigate
I feel like an idiot asking this because I cant recall what you call it.
What is the key command in Object Builder so you can assign texture and material paths?
stuck oyster
I feel like an idiot asking this because I cant recall what you call it.
What i...
"e"
stuck oyster
I'm trying to find out how to import models to blender and I just can't find any...
you can only use the Arma 3 samples from Steam
left root
Yes
stuck oyster
any other model is binarized and can not be opened
left root
That's all I want, the sample head
stuck oyster
and to import and export p3d you need the blender arma toolbox.
link can be found in the pinned messages (newer version than on github)
left root
I've downloaded the toolbox already from github
Do I need to mount the P drive or something?
stuck oyster
for blender work, no
you will want the newer version of the toolbox though
after you install it you also need to set the o2script.exe path in its settings
its in object builders install folder
and then you can use the file menu import and export p3d tools
left root
Yeah, Objectbuilder.exe, right?
left root
I've gone and did a dumb
I went looking for the o2 stuff and found a page that said it'd been replaced by object builder, so I made an assumption
left root
o2script.exe <:blobcatsweats:728343057354850325>
Thank you for setting me straight. I'm very tired
stuck oyster
Thank you for setting me straight. I'm very tired
we recommend good night sleep before modding. makes things easier
stuck oyster
we recommend it ๐
left root
At the very least I know what I'm doing now
left root
My descent into madness, yes
stuck oyster
that will be the next 5-10 years of your life now.
umbral shuttle
is there a way to select all parts in object builder that use a certain texture?
I guess ther is no dedicated obj builder channel ๐ฆ
stuck oyster
is there a way to select all parts in object builder that use a certain texture?
this is channel for those questions
and yes there is a resource manager
umbral shuttle
oh how do u get to that?
stuck oyster
oh how do u get to that?
window menu
stuck oyster
well it is always better to make such stuff in source file so if you have to do p3d again for some reason you got them ready
slate epoch
@past canopy haha yeah
civic forge
hey ive got a building, thats doors work if it is placed in the editor but if it is an actual map object the don't. Any Ideas? No Errors in rpt
stuck oyster
look up land_ class wiki page @civic forge
mellow birch
I'm trying to learn blender
Got myself a nice scale SVG to follow, just ported into blender, got the arma 3 blender add on too
blissful spire
issues with the geo would cause custom vehicles to go flying into the air when placed in eden correct? When placed it looks like the tire is placed into the ground
my model is set so the bottom of the tires matches 0
blissful spire
Solved my issue. Needed to 0 out my boundary mem points
kind nacelle
Got myself a nice scale SVG to follow, just ported into blender, got the arma 3 ...
remember to link the right files in the addon options
mellow birch
Thanks, I don't quite know how to do that but I'll try to do so
Also I ended up just flopping around trying to get a model hammered out. I started with basic shapes, deleted it all, tried to make a 2d mesh to extrude, deleted it all, tried again, nope, and I found a video on how to do what I want that I have to watch b4 I try again
grim trail
If I have weapon proxies(dynamic Loadout) and I hide some of them via model.cfg are those proxies still used when I set up my pylons or are they totally skipped? Or would I need to make a second model without the proxies I don't want
stuck oyster
Also I ended up just flopping around trying to get a model hammered out. I start...
dont try to do something so specifc and complex as first thing
start from smaller and just explore the tools and how 3D modeling works
it can take some time and few tries to get it going the way you want
mellow birch
thanks for the advice, but NAH
imma hammer this sucker out whether it likes it or not
i just needed to know what some buttons did
and i found out what those buttons are
so it shouldnt take me too long to actually get going
stuck oyster
ok..
shell jolt
Not sure which of these channels is the correct place to ask but does anyone happen to know whatโs going on here?
In object builder the materials appear to be fine but once used ingame the visor seems to bleed over onto the surrounded parts
stuck oyster
In object builder the materials appear to be fine but once used ingame the visor...
bad assigning perhaps or fauly hiddenselecetions
try separating the visor mesh from the halmet mesh so see if that does anything
also you might not have o2Script.exe path set in arma toolbox addon settings in blender
blissful spire
Howdy folks. Got another one for you. any idea on what would cause these to appear when my vehicle drives around? https://imgur.com/a/ul2J6b2
blissful spire
thats what i thought as well, but it doesnt look like anything is grinding against each other.
Sound wise let me get back in game and turn my sounds up
charred bolt
I'm going to make a wild guess that you have tracks modelled to the ground in your Geo Phys LOD? (and you shouldn't)
blissful spire
I have 6 wheels on this model but no geo phys lod. just a geo lod
no damage sound either. but that could just be due to not having any vehicle sounds in the config though
charred bolt
Is it tankX simulation? If you don't have a physX LOD then it's using the Geometry LOD, which will be your problem likely
blissful spire
carx is the sim
charred bolt
Oh sorry, thought I saw tracks. Ok, for CarX, you should have a Geo Phys LOD too.
blissful spire
really? huh. ill go give that a go then. probably would help with my speed/engine stuff too then
charred bolt
Geo Phys should be a low component count (for your shape, aim for 7 or less) and NO wheels.
blissful spire
probably want a box for the hull then
charred bolt
Yes, for performance reasons, the simpler the better. Not only will it probably fix your driving issues, but it controls the interaction between physX objects, unlike Geometry LOD which is more or less used for non-physX (including player interaction) and mass distribution.
The wheel interaction with the environment in CarX/TankX simulation is purely config based, using class Wheels { } and other config values.
blissful spire
so drove/stopped the vehicle abit. seems to be generating the particle as i drive and not when im stationary
nor does it generate them as i utilize the turret
ill go do a geo physx and see what happens
charred bolt
There's a lot of other things that also need to be correct (p3d memory points, damper set-up etc) but Geo Phys is good starting point.
blissful spire
those im pretty sure are all good but i know i dont have the physx geo
blissful spire
There's a lot of other things that also need to be correct (p3d memory points, d...
looks like adding the PhysX did it. Both for the damage particles and the engine issues i was having. Just need to tweak now. Thanks chief.
charred bolt
Well done, you're welcome.
blissful spire
now i just need to fix my rear hatch doing goofy things lol
past canopy
Who has a good plastic or metal RVmat setup I can borrow for my MP7, hoping to release the WIP version and source files today so I can focus on other guns.
mellow birch
so when making a gun
how many separate parts do i need?
and also, can i tie the magazine part to the receiver so it moves back with the slide?
rn i need 1 part for the chassis. need another for the recoil bit, and another for the mag for sure, anything else?
mellow birch
bruhhhhh
random power flicker
killed my internet
random power flicker 4 mins later
killed my pc
that's all my blender work gone tonight
a fun 3 hrs reduced to atoms
old gulch
Blender makes autosaves that you can use to recover the file.
mellow birch
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ah heck yeah
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i just looked
it autosaved right after i put my reference image in...
so it saved about 3 seconds of work out of those 3 hrs ๐ญ
its alr tho, ill just try again tomorrow
woeful viper
why not check out vanilla weapons and see which one look good in your opinion and then go to and copy diffuse, spec, gloss color values and rvmat ?
stuck oyster
I recommend adjusting autosave interval to more frequent if your system is unstable
mellow birch
I recommend adjusting autosave interval to more frequent if your system is unsta...
thats the fun bit though, my system works fine.
My local power grid is ALSO usually fine, but im guessing low temperatures (about 10 degrees F, or -12C) might have had something to do with the random flickers.
first one just took out my crappy internet router, then the second one caused my pc to reset, which was rather unfortunate.
regardless though, it isnt actually a common occurrence, just a random "F U" from life ๐คฃ
but yeah ill definitely get that interval shortened, i usually like 5 min autosaves ๐
hollow fulcrum
@woeful viper Silence! With your sense making statements.
white oak
Hey is there a tutorial like the ones for Terrain Making that covers all the basics?
stuck oyster
Hey is there a tutorial like the ones for Terrain Making that covers all the bas...
there are few tutorial series but no, "all the basics" of modeling is even more non specifc than it is with terrain making
modeling splits into various sub categories like the actual modeling, uvmapping, texturing, animating, how to put X in game and so on
"the basics" is very vast concept
there are a lot of non arma specifc tutorial material for each popular modeling program
which work as the foundation on "how to use X program"
white oak
well long way to go I suppose
Blender tutorials here I come
(Funny tidbit, Blender is tagged as Souls-Like on steam)
stuck oyster
seems accurate
hollow fulcrum
lol
tranquil spire
I'm having an issue with my model where if I have multiple resolution lods
0, 1, 2
the game loads 2 as the first one, even though I have them set correctly under arma object properties resolution
in OB it shows up fine, in order
bulldozer preview too, I can see it high res
stuck oyster
I'm having an issue with my model where if I have multiple resolution lods
0, 1,...
how much tris is high res?
the lodding is automatic and tries to keep scene complexity reasonable. if your model is super highpoly it might show high lods only at super close
or if your machine cant handle the scene then never
tranquil spire
9.6k but it has a bunch of hiddenSelections so it wouldn't load that much at once.
the model itself is ~4k without selections
stuck oyster
the hiddenselections may cause it to be too heavy then
section count going through the roof
hiddenselections should not be used to hide parts of object
it adds a huge amount of transparency
which is expensive for GPU
tranquil spire
ooh so its loading the selections but just making them transparent then?
stuck oyster
yes, hiddenselection is always present
model.cfg animated hide is different
variation things should have their own models though
tranquil spire
the funny thing is
I have done another model like this, it has 18k with everything included
and it loads fine 
so I'm baffled that half of that is causing issues, but hey its arma being arma
stuck oyster
this is not the way
tranquil spire
I know that now
stuck oyster
and adding a lot of stuff like that is likely to tank performance
and cause issues like this with the later objects
hollow fulcrum
you guys are really terrible at this stuff..
ember heart
:P
frank hatch
What happened to the M-ATV doors animations?
Only mirrors are working for me.
thorn spire
@ember heart how much polys :)?
marsh canyon
Which M-ATV?
thorn spire
@ember heart 2k?
ember heart
2.200
frank hatch
Which M-ATV?
Regular one. Used with ACE.
marsh canyon
Vanilla Hunter you mean?
frank hatch
Vanilla Hunter you mean?
Yes
marsh canyon
Then it is intentional, not something you can fix
frank hatch
Weren't doors fully opening before? I saw screenshots of this.
It was referring to them as Hunters by that time.
A change in 3D model?
marsh canyon
It never is fully openable. Or, I'm misunderstandig what โmirrorsโ you mean
frank hatch
It never is fully openable. Or, I'm misunderstandig what โmirrorsโ you mean
Front doors mirrors. That's only parts animating for me.
Need to try without mods.
boreal jolt
Only the unarmed Hunter's model supports door open/closing animations. The armed Hunters with their RCWS turrets don't have the animations since there's no selections for door_1, door_2, etc.
Even on the unarmed versions the animation isn't perfect. If you look closely, you can still see the AO on the window panes (they don't rotate with the doors).
frank hatch
Only the unarmed Hunter's model supports door open/closing animations. The armed...
That's it then. TY
civic forge
Hi All, what do I need todo for AI to recognise doors currently they walk through them
woeful viper
paths LOD you need... https://community.bistudio.com/wiki?title=LOD#Paths
Oh and i dont think AI will wait for doors to open... they just assume it is open after triggering the opening state (?)
stuck oyster
Hi All, what do I need todo for AI to recognise doors currently they walk throug...
is the door actual part of the building, or are you making some custom compostions or custom new buildings
civic forge
is the door actual part of the building, or are you making some custom compostio...
custom new buildings
stuck oyster
then you need to create action points on the path so AI can interact with the useractions related to the door opening
stuck oyster
fix weighting of the model
thick flint
Hey, just wondering if anyone could help me with my custom sight it works but im unable to aim down sights even though i have a memory point setup
pine acorn
is there an efficient way to generate item icons rather than manually taking screenshots and cropping them?
silver zenith
there is a function for the eden editor object preview
not sure if there is one for weapon and gear icons
charred bolt
is there an efficient way to generate item icons rather than manually taking scr...
You can use the orthographic view in Object Builder to screenshot the model, then do some photoshopping on it to make the icon/picture, but unlike the Eden preview images, not aware of any easy shortcut to it.
pine acorn
ait ๐
I'll check that out
hollow fulcrum
Everybody must be making all kinds of cool stuff. Quiet in here.
that or SA hurt everyones feelings with the camelback. :D
sick flume
busy in o2 ^_^
hollow fulcrum
^^ is the O2/OB Master of the Armaverse.
sick flume
never master only competent there many better over time than me, i am just still here where they move to 3ds/maya ^_^
hollow fulcrum
yeah well, good enough for me. we'll go with 'Remaining O2 Master of the Armaverse' :P
sick flume
make sound like he-man >_<!
hollow fulcrum
haha, you should link one or two of your previous modelling sessions if they are stored somewhere. that would teach some of the new guys a thing or 12.
sick flume
twitch didnt save them only archive think for month and were then lost
hollow fulcrum
booo... we'll have to fix that. that or i'll just record your next session on one of the other boxes. really would be helpful i think.
sick flume
have think about try to make guide to modeling in 02 few time over year but never get time
have lot of trick in thing like optimization that people often miss probab more often now than in ofp era
hollow fulcrum
i agree.
hollow fulcrum
yeah, exactly like that. ๐
woeful viper
still, 500 per tank wheel is a lot xD
hollow fulcrum
:D
hollow fulcrum
well now you have to show us what that looks like for it to count. :P
woeful viper
48 cylinders :P
hollow fulcrum
hahaha
woeful viper
1 wheel, 2 cylinders next to each other with slight gap
to be fair however... the wheels are mostly covered so you wont see them really
sick flume
i think my t-10 wheels are probab highest have make but they never go optimization as it just be boredom model i work on
hollow fulcrum
i watched Kenji model that drive wheel in O2 ... as humble as he is, he is a mad scientist type in O2. been a while since i watched someone model at such a fundemental level, and the speed at which he did it, was notable.
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sick flume
what you no see was further 2 hour of optimization i do later ^_^
hollow fulcrum
see what i mean by humble? :D
woeful viper
lel
slow grail
Watching Kenji hurts my head and makes me run back to my lowly crayons and go back to colouring in.
hollow fulcrum
lol pretty much where he left me that day.
woeful viper
currently making a logistics vehicle and constantly thinking about how awesome it be if we had inventory for vehicle ammo... and proper distinction between item mass and volume...
hollow fulcrum
yeah the item mass/volume stuff kinda annoyed me last time i looked at it.
not sure that i understand the current implementation to this day.
woeful viper
completely arbitrary. just like the ammo reloading system and fuel consumption
woeful viper
ammo reloading is done by cost. which would be fine if it wouldnt also be used by ai as a measure how valuable something is
0330 am ... again. well fuck guess thats a "later" then
hollow fulcrum
later man
echo violet
I export the model via blender, but the file size is always 0.00 kb. I want to create a p3d file.
stuck oyster
I export the model via blender, but the file size is always 0.00 kb. I want to c...
you have not set the object with arma properties so exporter has nothing to export
cedar coral
here is my next weapon -- https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/730/770/large/reno-levi-m-hellokitty-24.jpg?1443926512
hollow fulcrum
lmao, that is quality on a couple different levels there.
sick flume
^_^ look great
hollow fulcrum
yeah that is a very nice model. that IR laser ... gonna have to fix mine. for shame.
alpine matrix
Does anyone know how to get the Under barrel GL to work?
my eye positioning is broken it appears.
stuck oyster
Does anyone know how to get the Under barrel GL to work?
have you compared your setup to the Arma 3 sample weapon?
alpine matrix
a little, all of the eye positioning is in the memory LOD for the model, ingame it doesnt put me in the right location though.
stuck oyster
typo in memorypoints or config perhaps
alpine matrix
my GL shot comes from the side of the mag aswell
stuck oyster
your memorypoints are not all correct or you config is lacking stuff
cedar coral
lol, easy for you to fix @hollow fulcrum
past canopy
you aren't lonewolf are you?
alpine matrix
your memorypoints are not all correct or you config is lacking stuff
ive fixed the Camera view but my GL still fires from the mag
blissful spire
Using Edge Split before export in blender is no longer needed correct?
stuck oyster
should not be
blissful spire
having some wonky texture issues from where i put my seams so figured id ask
blissful spire
believe so. i tend to get my model in game/working before texturing
which ends up having them be triangulated prior to texture
stuck oyster
what kind of wonky textures you got?
blissful spire
let me get in game. testing different settings for padding rn
stuck oyster
one thing to check is that all uvmapping is on same UVset
if multiple objects are combined and they have different named uvsets in blender those all export separately to P3D
blissful spire
yeah i checked that. think i just needed to increase the padding to help
padding was what i needed to fix my seam issue
stuck oyster
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blissful spire
cranked it to 10 from 0 and it sorted it right out. now to go tweak the colors
lime basin
Hello, I have a bug in my nighthawk that I cannot figure out, it's something to do with one of the LODs, but I'm not sure. I thought it would be land contact at first, but doesn't seem to be the issue. I'm a bit lost ๐
stuck oyster
Hello, I have a bug in my nighthawk that I cannot figure out, it's something to ...
Perhaps your wheel size points have not been set up right
Or not corresponding with the config
white jay
@cedar coral THat's fucking awesome
junior ibex
Does anyone know where exactly the Arma 3 Suitcase model originates from? I know it's a port from a previous game since CUP have their own version, but I can't find the p3d
I want to make an open version of it using the original model and texture sheet, as well as a nuclear control console version
stuck oyster
I want to make an open version of it using the original model and texture sheet,...
Perhaps post picture and classname of said suitcase?
junior ibex
Ah, of course, here, Land_Suitcase_F
CUP's texture is a tad darker and more blue, and has the rather imaginative classname of "Suitcase", but the model and texture details are identical
charred bolt
Ah, I remember them well! An early 3CB public mission had us searching for them all over Takistan, fun times.
junior ibex
Yeah, they're a great little Macguffin for missions
Especially when you wire them up to one of these
Or one of these
US B61-12 variable yield nuke and True Lies "SS-22 MIRV-6" re-entry vehicle
But yeah, if someone can help me track down that P3D it'd be a real help
stuck oyster
Ah, of course, here, Land_Suitcase_F
process = translate suitcase to czech = kufr -> Search kufr in the arma2 datapack files -> Find kufr.rvmat -> go to parent folder and find briefcase.p3d 
junior ibex
Oh awesome, Thanks Goat!
past canopy
@woeful viper because then it would be so easy ;)
gritty charm
Hey im having trouble trying to figure out how to make a door for my model and was hoping if someone could help me
stuck oyster
Hey im having trouble trying to figure out how to make a door for my model and w...
which part of it do you have trouble with?
gritty charm
So rn I have the Open door action appear but when I use the action. the doors model doesnt move
im fairly new to the modding game and just figured ladders
stuck oyster
so you will need to set up a model.cfg config file for your model and create the skeleton definition and animation configs in it
you can find model.cfg and "how to animate a model" pages on the wiki
gritty charm
I have the model.cfg but I suspect my code is wrong
stuck oyster
and sample house in the Arma 3 samples
what connects a model.cfg to a p3d
is the class name in cfgModels
which has to match with the p3d name
you can preview if animations work in the Object Builders buldozer previewer
stuck oyster
well compare it with the sample house for example to see if your class structure is right
and try it out in the buldozer
you can see how it works with the sample house
stuck oyster
yea bulldozer doesn't work for me
buldozer does not start at all?
gritty charm
I just test my stuff in game
stuck oyster
this is not good
it will take forever to test anything
fix your setup and you will have 10x easier time
pallid island
Diag build + reload shapes command would work alright for ingame testing i reckon
stuck oyster
lot of hoops to go through instead of fixing up tools
pallid island
I'm not the one to talk about proper setups, i've never had one :3
stuck oyster
dusty basalt
How does proxy work? Can I proxy any model i want into another?
is there any steps I need to take to do it?
Im currently trying to put one object into another with a proxy and arma is totally not having it
stuck oyster
Im currently trying to put one object into another with a proxy and arma is tota...
what kind of object are you trying to combine
dusty basalt
ah I think I see my problem; Im basically trying to add a proxy to a weapon attachment, which already kinda is a proxy. Is it not possible to do?
When I spawn the same model with createSimpleObject, it works
dusty basalt
damn, no workarounds either?
stuck oyster
no
and well the weapon model itself does not have proxies, the proxies in it just mark the positions to add the separate attachment models
dusty basalt
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