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prisma socket
minor shard
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i am guessin you are the one to type "STOPCOMENT" to get it to stop

prisma socket
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yeee xDD

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but at some point it will eventually stop itself

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sometimes only one message

minor shard
# prisma socket

Lol idk if I am a fan of it @'ing everyone. Might need to add that lol

prisma socket
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you can even instruct hwo to replly to people
like that

minor shard
prisma socket
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but @ people didn't work

prisma socket
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xd

minor shard
prisma socket
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but against TOS

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so won't recommend

minor shard
distant aurora
dry kestrel
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Interesting From my testing Comet is given context of your recent browsing history as like a tool call or something similar

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The usual perplexity system prompt gives the model your location, name, and memory settings

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It doesn't show the full CoT when you have web access on from my testing, really weird

distant aurora
dry kestrel
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I would like to see a seperate TOS and Privacy policy for the Comet Browser only though

distant aurora
dry kestrel
lusty wolf
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it can also just see pages, so it reads everything. It's not an issue of privacy if it's stored on device. However, it is if it's being sent to servers and trained on/stored/sold then it is

distant aurora
dry kestrel
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I would like to see more transparency regarding the models used and how the data is dealt with on the Comet Agent though

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and if disabling data retention on perplexity.ai also covers agent use.

lusty wolf
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I believe this is something in progress.

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I wish I could find it, but someone at perplexity (probably Aravind) mentioned being able to do something that in the future

dry kestrel
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Currently, they need to update and align their documentation regarding Perplexity and Comet

prisma socket
dry kestrel
prisma socket
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XD

prisma socket
distant aurora
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Bro has all the chicks of discord.

prisma socket
dry kestrel
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Haha

prisma socket
dry kestrel
short narwhal
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5k???

prisma socket
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i gotta sort out but to lazy

distant aurora
dry kestrel
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At this point I'm just forced to buy Nitro

prisma socket
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i am not checking notificatoinis on all servers

empty ice
prisma socket
prisma socket
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someone created it

dry kestrel
distant aurora
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What happens if you don't update nitro? Do you get kicked out of half of the servers?

minor shard
dry kestrel
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Or you can't interact with them

distant aurora
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Why are y'all on 100+ servers

distant aurora
dry kestrel
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You just can't join an more servers

lusty wolf
minor shard
dry kestrel
lusty wolf
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how many services are yall using lmaooo

distant aurora
empty ice
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Lmao i love these

dry kestrel
empty ice
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I use 2

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Claude and perplexity

lusty wolf
dry kestrel
empty ice
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I am a new user of claude

minor shard
empty ice
blazing comet
minor shard
empty ice
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Mechahitler

distant aurora
# empty ice

Would have tried the left one if I could add it.

distant aurora
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Lol.

lusty wolf
empty ice
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Wht is grok even

distant aurora
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Ai model

lusty wolf
empty ice
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Gooning asi in 2035?

distant aurora
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Use it as you please.

empty ice
lusty wolf
distant aurora
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I can't pull chicks.

empty ice
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Bladerrunnermaxxing

distant aurora
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Atleast I would be able to buy some decent looking love and care.

distant aurora
empty ice
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People born in the us next year: 130

lusty wolf
distant aurora
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Bro I see population decline.

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Half from lgbtq

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Half from robo girlfriends.

empty ice
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Is that call of the night gooning

lusty wolf
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I'm fine with it. We're overpopulated (or under developed) anyway. It'll help to reduce that

distant aurora
lusty wolf
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Plus Boomers will be dying soon anyway

empty ice
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Eill i be the last person to watxh anime for the plot

empty ice
distant aurora
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Half of the shit in the opening and closing scenes never happened.

lusty wolf
# empty ice

I find it to be creepy. I asked "explain why Comet is peak" and it made these creepy moaning/whisper/demonic shit noises for about 15 seconds, then whipsered her answer

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most of which was completely unintelligble

lusty wolf
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Tried to record it, but audio didn't work for some reason

empty ice
distant aurora
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The cyber nun (powered by grok)

empty ice
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😂 wlcm

lusty wolf
empty ice
lusty wolf
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Nikita did say they're building the Antichrist

empty ice
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The girlfriend in question:

distant aurora
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Anti christ > gf watching love Island.

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Oh shit.

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Does he have both at once?

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💀

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Bro is god's favorite.

lusty wolf
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Love Island is the Antichrist

short narwhal
blazing comet
lusty wolf
blazing comet
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😭

distant aurora
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Lmfao

empty ice
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Labubu but eith screen to goon to goth grok in underwesr

minor shard
distant aurora
lusty wolf
minor shard
lusty wolf
distant aurora
lusty wolf
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Mechahilter

minor shard
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lmao

distant aurora
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Sorry

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I don't support liberal ai.

lusty wolf
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Is MechaHitler liberal now?

empty ice
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Imagine if all teslas had the girl on screen 0/24

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Everyone dies in accidents

distant aurora
empty ice
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😂

lusty wolf
empty ice
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Gooning mid drive is punishable by 20 months of horny jail

distant aurora
lusty wolf
distant aurora
distant aurora
lusty wolf
distant aurora
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Also.

minor shard
blazing comet
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i am tired to

lusty wolf
distant aurora
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Not sure how much of it is true.

lusty wolf
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I'm gonna keep it a buck, buddy. wdgaf

minor shard
distant aurora
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This should be a sticker.

distant aurora
empty ice
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Goonology phd

minor shard
distant aurora
distant aurora
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This joke can get me cancelled.

empty ice
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Talmud is peak

distant aurora
lusty wolf
distant aurora
lusty wolf
distant aurora
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Why pay xai?

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Open ai would do a better job.

lusty wolf
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Honestly, my guess is a combination of:

  • SpaceX has contracts with the US
  • Elon made Doge, and some people in Government actually like it
  • Mostly bc xAI was probably cheaper.
empty ice
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They pay all of em

lusty wolf
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I would assume xAI is exponentially cheaper than OpenAI, so the DOJ gets more compute for less

empty ice
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Oai anthropic and xai got it

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Not mutually exclusive

lusty wolf
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Source? or just guessing

empty ice
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Dod has infinite cash

empty ice
empty ice
empty ice
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If it costs 200billion they pay it

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Dod pays firsts explains later

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It is usually the other way around

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DoE and DoD are the exceptions

distant aurora
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Need multimodality in Deepseek models.

empty ice
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Oc there are out of budget thingies

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Like the dod cannot pay 5 trillion for a space fleet tomorrow

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But they can muster up a trillion cash in a year if needed

distant aurora
empty ice
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Guys

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Israel needs 700B cash today

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Will u donate

distant aurora
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I want 3 nukes

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Wait.

empty ice
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Best i can do is 271

distant aurora
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Make it 7.

empty ice
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💀 😂

distant aurora
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Drop one on Israel.

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Drop a few in the gulfs.

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And drop one on us.

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I'll let people pick between north Korea and China.

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Then everyone can mind their own business hopefully.

bitter tendon
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Tbh super grok is worth it

empty ice
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I need claude gooning

distant aurora
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I need money.

bitter tendon
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Anyways

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Seriously

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I bought supergrok

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And it's crap

distant aurora
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Lol.

bitter tendon
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Okay WTF happened to grok

bitter tendon
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But MF can't even read it

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I can't do it in perplexity because of token limit

dry kestrel
distant aurora
bitter tendon
distant aurora
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And grok is pretty much a dude on default settings.

dry kestrel
timber niche
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Lmao

empty ice
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Groonk

timber niche
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Bro does this with women too

distant aurora
timber niche
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And they run away

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He wonders why

bitter tendon
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U know

distant aurora
bitter tendon
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I feel like I am cheating on my gf with Grok

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Is it cheating?

timber niche
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Yes

empty ice
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No

distant aurora
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That wasn't my screenshot, lol.

empty ice
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You are cheating on grok

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With your gf

timber niche
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Haram brother

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Don't do haram ❌

distant aurora
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Haram❌ Harass✔️

empty ice
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Halal as in halál means death in hungarian

bitter tendon
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Obviously

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I am Ayatollah

empty ice
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Hello idf

distant aurora
empty ice
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There is an iranian numclear favility under the epstein files

timber niche
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Now is a weird time on the server bruh

gloomy cipher
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Khamenei with he/him 🤣

timber niche
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@gloomy cipher bro tags me in the most random ways

distant aurora
timber niche
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I had to scroll for all that bs

gloomy cipher
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Someone give him a bigger chair i can't see his face

timber niche
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I didn't get your issue with spaces

distant aurora
timber niche
empty ice
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timber niche
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Idk you or care for you

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Please

gloomy cipher
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He isnt wrong it's one click

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😭

timber niche
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Idc

distant aurora
timber niche
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Ok mr smartypants

distant aurora
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Wait for the week to pass.

distant aurora
gloomy cipher
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You two keskupants, that's enough 😑

timber niche
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Bruh

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Bill

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Mf

distant aurora
timber niche
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Out of line

timber niche
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I was thinking why this random has so many mutual friends

distant aurora
bitter tendon
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Okay

dry kestrel
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Guys chill

gloomy cipher
bitter tendon
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Which is the best LLM

distant aurora
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Wait. Lmfao.

blazing comet
dry kestrel
gloomy cipher
distant aurora
timber niche
blazing comet
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DeepSeek R2 💔

distant aurora
gloomy cipher
dry kestrel
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lmfao

distant aurora
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Betrayal from brother. Again.

gloomy cipher
timber niche
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I just woke up

dry kestrel
distant aurora
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Real ones recognised me.

timber niche
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Only now i connected the dots because of thr gifs

blazing comet
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Deepseek the real one

dry kestrel
bitter tendon
gloomy cipher
blazing comet
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Also im gonna try using comet for a job application

timber niche
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Woke up to some random sigmabond harassing me

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This was just a bad dream

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Lol

blazing comet
gloomy cipher
timber niche
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Imagine about what i was thinking lol

distant aurora
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Bro has unfinished beef with his chemistry paper.

timber niche
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My chem teacher genuinely made me hate life at one point

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He said i could come back after graduation and hit him

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As revenge

dry kestrel
bitter tendon
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Grok is woke

timber niche
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Haven't taken up on the offer yet

bitter tendon
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We need truthseek

timber niche
dry kestrel
gloomy cipher
dry kestrel
timber niche
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He just was a bitc

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Because i took extra classes

blazing comet
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Pulse

timber niche
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And he was annoyed

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So used to shame me in front of thr class

dry kestrel
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Crazy stuff

timber niche
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Yeah

distant aurora
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I thought covalent bond was sharing electrons.

timber niche
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Nope

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Na+ Cl-

distant aurora
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And ionic bond was electron transfer.

timber niche
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Ionic bond

distant aurora
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@timber niche

timber niche
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Too sleepy for all this

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Imma go watch nilered

distant aurora
# timber niche Na+ Cl-

Na+ is formed by donating 1 electron from outer shell. Cl- is formed by gaining na electron to complete octet.

dry kestrel
timber niche
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How to make coke from corn flour

distant aurora
timber niche
distant aurora
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Why use corn flour?

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Sugar is cheaper.

timber niche
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Both are white and powdery

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Lol

distant aurora
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Coke is mostly sugar water + dry ice.

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Oh.

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The other coke.

timber niche
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Bro it still is weird

distant aurora
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Lmfao.

timber niche
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Feels like talking to a stranger lmao

timber niche
cerulean sedge
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When will perplexity get a waifu?

obsidian umbra
cerulean sedge
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I want waifu ai browser

lapis jay
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i wish there was at least like a free trial to the browser

timber niche
lapis jay
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i cant download it?

dry kestrel
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You just need an invite, or you can get Max to skip the waitlist

lapis jay
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it costs 200

timber niche
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Just have to be invited

dry kestrel
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You need an invite

lapis jay
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oh

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can u pls invite me?

timber niche
lapis jay
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ohh

dry kestrel
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yeah

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Also on X

timber niche
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People drop invites there

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Regularly

lapis jay
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got it

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tysm

timber niche
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Yw

blazing comet
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Comet job application s00n

twin grail
alpine lotus
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Can anyone share the comet invite please? PM me

languid star
haughty birch
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yo

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is this true?

haughty birch
dry kestrel
haughty birch
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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ah wow, so it goes from 50 to 500 for Max

dry kestrel
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I doubt that Max is going to be more than 500 files since it would be hard fitting that many files within the context window

quaint ravine
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well it depends how good the RAG is

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but yea, would be harder to interpret at some point

dry kestrel
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The amount of hallucinations you would get would be insane

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even with good RAG

quaint ravine
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yes u'd need to ask it to cite the specific part of the document to verify

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tbh even with unlimited context window, I'd still do that for things that are critical

haughty birch
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how many file uploads it is showing for pro plan in spaces?

haughty birch
# dry kestrel 50 files

they made very big difference, i think o3 pro mode and file upload limits are two valuable things i saw in max, not many more yet

dry kestrel
haughty birch
# haughty birch thanks for sharing

i have around 60 files minimum to upload in space, once i upload i will do testing and see the quality of answers. because for my subject queries perplexity is failiing at web research many times, its passing only if i give data as knowledge files.

blazing comet
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half of my retweets were the anime companion sob

lapis jay
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this is my comet card

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what if they made these into nfts when it becomes better than chrome

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honestly its already better

blazing comet
haughty birch
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@dry kestrel @quaint ravine i raised refund request yesterday night and was testing max plan for my requirement until they remove my access and refund me, just now they cancellend and refunded me. below are my observations

o3, grok4, o3 pro mode are giving right answers with files (just referring to 8 files out of 60 files) - very reliable answers but less sources its researching

perplexity deep research and labs are still failing to give right answer (even after referring almost all 60 files) - not consistently reliable always

i think enterprise pro plan will suite me as i no need to upload files always to spaces and everything will be present at google drive. Only issue is enterprise pro do not have "Reference search library" feature

quaint ravine
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i think nature of RAG is that it may sift out sources/files that aren't relevant

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but yes, unlikely will be perfect system

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have u tried NotebookLM?

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that might be better for your use case

haughty birch
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but deep research and labs are researching almost everything without using brain, and giving inconsistent answers

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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yes deep research in Perplexity I have found to be quite poor

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I find Perplexity + Gemini 2.5 Pro the best for my use case, whether with just normal search or in Spaces

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especially for analysing attached documents, I find Gemini 2.5 Pro very good

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it's actually the only model that got one of my questions correct (both correct answer + correct justification)

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Grok 4 etc got it wrong

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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one thing I also noticed (which is frustrating, but must be related to differences in RAG even within Perplexity) - attaching document and then doing normal search prompt, can be different to attaching identical document in Spaces and using identical prompt

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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I only got correct answer with Perplexity + Gemini 2.5 Pro by doing normal search prompt with attached document. Doing the identical action in Spaces (attaching as source) got answer wrong

quaint ravine
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problem with file upload in chat is it's more limited than Spaces

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only can attach 10 files

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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it's more the RAG implementation is different between normal search/prompt and Space sources

haughty birch
# quaint ravine problem with file upload in chat is it's more limited than Spaces

thats why* i love enterprise pro plan, it has synced google drive feature, same like chatgpt synced google drive feature of (chatgpt teams and chatgpt pro plans), it will continously sync data in form chunks , vector embeddings and some technical stuff, so when we query a question, it actually searches on this trained embeddings, which gives more accurate answers and also quicker

quaint ravine
quaint ravine
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ah thanks

haughty birch
quaint ravine
languid star
pseudo ferry
twin grail
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Just like a couple

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for a second there

haughty birch
twin grail
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i thought homey

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was honey

languid star
twin grail
quaint ravine
haughty birch
quaint ravine
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it seems to me that's exactly what that function is for tbh

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that it scans the google drive as part of its search, just like it would scanning web search

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would need to do RAG I suppose

quaint ravine
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I'd rather have Access Connector

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then u know it's latest info

haughty birch
# quaint ravine

How does syncing work?
Synced connectors require a one time initial syncing of files; this will take some time as we index all data from this source, enabling real time retrieval in context of your ChatGPT queries while respecting all existing file permissions. After this initial sync, files/permissions are automatically updated on a regular basis (within minutes) to reflect recent changes—no action is required to keep your content up to date.

Initial syncing can vary depending on how many files you have access to, but happens in a few stages once you connect a source:

lapis jay
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wait so whats better

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perplexity comet's assistant or google chrome gemini?

quaint ravine
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actually if updates happen within minutes

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then Synced connector probably beter

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I'm assuming Perplexity uses Access Connector

lapis jay
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whats access connector

quaint ravine
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to Google Drive

haughty birch
# quaint ravine

but quality of answers and speed of answers will be better in synced connectors, based on my personal experience, because it will not do research, its already having knowledge, like stored memory and answering us based on that

quaint ravine
haughty birch
lapis jay
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whats RAG

quaint ravine
blazing comet
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Gn

lapis jay
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do u think chrome's browser ai is better than perplexity's

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?

lapis jay
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isnt gemini like more connected within google's apps?

twin grail
haughty birch
lapis jay
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my only concern with comet's ai is that it isnt as well integrated compared to gemini which syncs up with almost all of google's apps

quaint ravine
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however, again it will depend on how good the RAG is ultimately

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if you have a google drive with 100Tb of files...you can't expect the AI to brute force that

lapis jay
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in your own words describe rag

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i dont need to do a deep search on it

quaint ravine
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Perplexity implements a novel three-stage RAG refinement process to ensure accurate, grounded answers:
This pipeline tightly couples retrieval and generation, grounding answers in verified external knowledge and minimizing hallucinations.

lapis jay
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how well it can pull accurate info from a database

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got it

quaint ravine
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yea without parsing every single word

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this is why when you upload eg. a PDF file with 2 million words

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if you ask it to do a word count, it will fail miserably

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because Perplexity can only parse around 30-40k characters is my understanding

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which is like only a few thousand words

lapis jay
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what about gemini

quaint ravine
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i think gemini can parse 1 million?

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not sure

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i haven't seen anything exceeding 1 million for any of these context window/token stuff

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point being

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you can see it's easy to exceed it

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entire internet is probably 1 googol tokens etc lol

lapis jay
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700k words

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yea

quaint ravine
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so u need good RAG

lapis jay
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this is mainly because google has a bigger budget

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for their ai

quaint ravine
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yes it's a pity Perplexity isn't able to increase its token window to something like 128k

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i believe it may have the best RAG

haughty birch
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but guys literally there is so much diffeerence between deep research of max plan and pro plan, max plan deep research is literally spending some time , pro plan deepresearch is completing very fastly

twin grail
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or we gonna live with pro being only 50-100 search a day

quaint ravine
twin grail
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Too poor for that

quaint ravine
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i don't think Max has higher tokens

twin grail
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They don't

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they only have unlimited request

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
dry kestrel
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And price goes up exponentially

quaint ravine
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there was a brief period where Max users (or at least was advertised) could choose AI models for Deep research

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but now they can't

haughty birch
dry kestrel
haughty birch
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
haughty birch
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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with Max symbol next to it

dry kestrel
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Yeah thats def weird for them to do that then

quaint ravine
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well not really

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I guess they were going to allow it

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but probably realised buggy etc

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perhaps now working on it still

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it was also within the GUI as part of the Max Plan

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i should have screenshotted it lol

twin grail
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They use different models

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for labs

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and deep research

dry kestrel
twin grail
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But not being able to choose it

quaint ravine
twin grail
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It's between O3-pro and claude 4.0 opus

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According to CEO Aravind Srinivas, the Max plan enables unlimited Labs and Research mode queries, which will run by default on advanced models such as OpenAI’s o3-pro and Anthropic’s Claude Opus 4. Users will also benefit from early access to Comet, a new AI-powered browser developed by Perplexity, as well as forthcoming agent-based features and products.

dry kestrel
proper relic
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dam

quaint ravine
quaint ravine
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Deepseek with the research mode is pretty bad ime

dry kestrel
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They should really update their official documentation

haughty birch
twin grail
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yup they really should

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but still i really want pro users

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to get a better model

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for deep research

quaint ravine
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enterprise?

dry kestrel
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Looks like r1 to me

haughty birch
twin grail
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it's using different models

quaint ravine
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completely agree

twin grail
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premium one

haughty birch
quaint ravine
quaint ravine
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while Pro only uses Deepseek

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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that would make a lot of sense

twin grail
quaint ravine
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I wishing it could be Gemini 2.5 Pro for Deep research on perplexity. However, even intial advertisements as above for Max didn't allow Gemini for research, and only o3 and claude iirc

haughty birch
twin grail
dry kestrel
haughty birch
haughty birch
haughty birch
# twin grail but it's better

agreed, thats what i am saying here, but all are saying me both pro and max plan, the deep research is same, but i saw difference while using

dry kestrel
twin grail
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welp i'm too poor to actually have money

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for the max plan

quaint ravine
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I think Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best for deep research

twin grail
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so ye

quaint ravine
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it's actually the best for me for normal search too lol

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but Perplexity citation and RAG is superior to Google's ime

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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it's probably O3 tbh. based on my observation of what models could be selected with Max, initially advertised

twin grail
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It's still better than Pro DR

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I hope they upgrade the model in pro DR

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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would make sense if it's Gemini 2.5 Pro, as it's the best imo

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pity it's not transparent on that

haughty birch
quaint ravine
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it could be Claude Opus

twin grail
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Nah

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i used claude opus

quaint ravine
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nah i mean for deep research

twin grail
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Yes

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Opus is smt different

quaint ravine
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Google Gemini's Deep research actually failed to complete from time to time

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probably consequence of many people using 1 million context 😛

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38,878 appears to be Perplexity's context window

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interestingly the context window for adding "Answer instructions" in Spaces appears to be 3870

dry kestrel
tame temple
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Good Morning ✌️💖 ☀️

meager spruce
#

anybody got some comet invites? 🫣

languid star
quaint ravine
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just try it yourself

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the official websites also said max upload file size is 25Mb (still does I think), but it's now 50Mb

novel hatch
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Hello, anyine gor an invitation please?

languid star
rigid ether
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After gpt5 comes, i think perplexity removes individual openai models

quaint ravine
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why u think that?

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my friend who is subscribed to GPT Pro says GPT5 will combine everything

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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so i think Perplexity either doesn't have GPT, or it has GPT5?

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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nice

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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maybe I am misinterpreting context window

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I put in the prompt

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it's able to take 38,878 characters for example

rigid ether
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
dry kestrel
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thats your total input and since perplexity converts it to a file, it can use RAG to get parts of the file

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your context window counts all your messages in that thread

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which if you go over 32k, it starts hallucinating

quaint ravine
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ah right, the total prompt window is 38,878 then

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seems to me, there are numerous "windows" that are actually there

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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no i saying the character count for prompt is not 32,000 tho

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but there's a limit to that too

dry kestrel
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The max input tokens is not the same to the context window

quaint ravine
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i know

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is the context window the same as searching PDF/websites too?

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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as for thread count limit

dry kestrel
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Anything you give the model gets counted

quaint ravine
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why is the prompt window not 32,000 though?

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why appear to limit it at 38,878

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ohh i guess it depends how one defines a "token"

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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I was assuming 1 token = 1 character

dry kestrel
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check this website out

quaint ravine
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yea but it's a fact that 38,878 is the max character count for prompt

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why did they choose that number ...seem arbitrary

fathom wave
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Yo folks! anybody got some comet invites?

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
quaint ravine
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get a character counter for your prommpt

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copy/paste 38,878 characters into the prompt

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and then try to add 1 more

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you can't

dry kestrel
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One second

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Also it makes sense that they don't allow long inputs since that takes up the context window

quaint ravine
#

yes but seems arbitrary

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to limit at that exact number

dry kestrel
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Its limited at 20,001 tokens

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that seems reasonable enough?

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not seeing how you are getting your number

quaint ravine
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my character counter might have been wrong

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lemme check

dry kestrel
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20k tokens seems like a clean number

quaint ravine
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you mean characters

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a space is also a character iiuc

dry kestrel
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not characters

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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how do you calculate tokens?

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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40,000 characters/

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?

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your video says 20,001 tokens and 40,000 characters

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yea ur right tho

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I managed to get 38,878 characters for a different prompt

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couldn't add 1 more

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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ah interesting

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it's change since last hour

dry kestrel
empty ice
quaint ravine
empty ice
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Cosmic horror

quaint ravine
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so what is the relationship between Token and Characters?

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if any

empty ice
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All ya need to know is that 300 wprds is around 400 tokens

dry kestrel
dry kestrel
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100 tokens ~ 75 words

quaint ravine
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but words range in characters

dry kestrel
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not characters

quaint ravine
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ah right

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.75 ratio to words okay

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so it's actually better than I thought

empty ice
quaint ravine
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yea I thought it was character count which is much lower than word count

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A large language model's (LLM) context window is its working memory, defining the amount of text it can process at one time[1][2]. This capacity is measured not in words or characters, but in tokens—the smallest units of text an AI model can understand[5][7].

While a character is the smallest unit for humans, models break text into tokens, which can be a single character, part of a word, or a whole word[1]. This "tokenization" is not fixed; the same word might be tokenized differently depending on context[3]. Generally, text has about 30% more tokens than words[7].

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got perplexity to summarise your website in <100 words lol @dry kestrel

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thanks for the site i guess...probably should have just asked Perplexity myself too 😛

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interestingly then, the prompt window is also variable and not dependent on characters/words

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well not "variable", but appears to also be based on tokens like u said

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20,001

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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yep corrected myself above

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yea i didn't realise the prompt window was also based on token count

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not sure everyone here did until now too

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or at least, didn't know what exactly the token limit for prompt was

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but like u say, seems reasonable that the token limit for prompt is lower than the 32k context window limit

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does anyone know much about RAG models used by various major AI platforms? Are they same/similar or unique?

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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I got the feeling Perplexity had a unique RAG

quaint ravine
rigid ether
quaint ravine
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20,000 tokens vs (assumed, based on website which has/is wrong about other things) 32,000

rigid ether
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RAG can be innovative and new methodologies also, based on experience of engineers

quaint ravine
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right, so GPT's RAG is different to Gemini's?

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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ah right that does make sense...I think I agree with you about Gemini's RAG

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it's how Perplexity answers are better, despite lower context window perhaps

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better for my use case anyway (scientific/research/medical)

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i like how Perplexity gets to the point too. Like Google's deep research might produce tons of words, but actually is just adding more stuff that I didn't ask for

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so end up wasting more time in that setting (since have to read more)

rigid ether
#

For pro budget, if you want RAG, and if you are ok with low context outputs, and only research purpose means, go with perplexity. If you want some long chats means chatgpt is fine

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In perplexity you get more message cap limits than chatgpt, that is another advantage

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Perplexity is nearly unlimited for pro users

quaint ravine
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what exactly is the professional use case for "long chats"?

dry kestrel
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You get at least 300 queries a day with Pro

grand silo
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ChatGPT has the lowest context of the big model providers though

dry kestrel
grand silo
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perplexity is 32K, which is terrible

dry kestrel
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Other sites like poe consume significantly more credits if you go above a certain limit

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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i've noticed it in "for fun" stuff that's true

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again tho, depends on individual's use case i guess

rigid ether
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If you are maintaining not more than 10 to 20 conversations in single chat, perplexity will be fine only

quaint ravine
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actually even for like large documents that can be problematic, relying one to be more specific in pompting

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for example, let's say the attached PDF has 100 chapters

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you interact with perplexity, and say..okay summarise next chapter...and next..and next

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it will very quickly forget where it's up to lol

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but that's where u overcome by saying summarise "specific chapter number"

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but like u say, that's a clear advantage of larger context window

rigid ether
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Chatgpt engineering is very good

grand silo
quaint ravine
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if true

distant aurora
quaint ravine
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ah, it's 128k

rigid ether
grand silo
distant aurora
rigid ether
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Who said chatgpt plus is 128k, please enjoy with it. It is only 32000 since ages

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So coming back to topic

dry kestrel
rigid ether
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Yes, but chatgpt plus also has only 32000 context window, but it won't forget as fastly as perplexity

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Chatgpt engineering is very good

quaint ravine
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must be RAG then?

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or something else if it's not just context window

rigid ether
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Not sure how they engineered it

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Also RAG as well

quaint ravine
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GPT enterprise might be 128k i think

rigid ether
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Plus and teams are 32K

quaint ravine
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makes sense to limit tbh

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otherwise end up like Google Gemini

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where Deep Research fails from time to time

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too many people interrogating it with 1 million context window haha

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Google AI Ultra doesn't make difference for that btw

grand silo
quaint ravine
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still fails from time to time.... they will liekly improve it with time tho

grand silo
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For ChatGPT Plus users, models such as GPT-4o and GPT-4.1 mini support a 128k token limit, which is significantly higher than the previously mentioned 32k.

quaint ravine
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wouldn't surprise me if the token window varies, depending on time of day etc

quaint ravine
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ah right

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you know that for a fact?

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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would have thought if traffic is lighter, could make it higher token limit etc

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i see

grand silo
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
dry kestrel
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Oops not sure why I marked that as spoiler

dry kestrel
grand silo
quaint ravine
dry kestrel
grand silo
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it wouldn't be the first time the openai pages would be outdated

dry kestrel
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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like Gemini, Claude etc

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also, another question is whether it could change to become variable based on traffic

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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not asking if it is, but whether that could be a good marketing strategy etc

grand silo
dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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so have an absolute minimum context window, but it can increase depending on traffic etc

dry kestrel
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A quick search on reddit also gives you the answer which is 32K

rigid ether
quaint ravine
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Exploring whether token window sizes can adapt dynamically based on varying traffic conditions.

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"While the context window of a Large Language Model (LLM) is not typically varied based on network traffic, the underlying idea of dynamically adjusting it for efficiency is an emerging area of development."

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
dry kestrel
#

Not sure what you are trying to argue for here, that providers should lower the context window based on traffic?

fierce orbit
#

Hey 👋 , Does anyone have a Comet invite left please ?

rigid ether
#

Chatgpt pricing i mean

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
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"Instead of adjusting based on traffic, developers are exploring ways to set the context window size dynamically based on the available computational resources, particularly memory. The goal is to maximize the use of available hardware without manual configuration."

rigid ether
dry kestrel
rigid ether
languid star
#

Perplexity is rolling out an updated Discover layout with sidebar widgets. Widgets contain finance, weather and scheduled tasks information.

dry kestrel
#

Doesn't make any financial sense to do that

quaint ravine
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well of course, but it'd be cheaper in terms of power output?

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actually not really eh

dry kestrel
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Yeah well for providers like perplexity who pay via the API this would not be viable

quaint ravine
#

seems could be more efficient for other platforms tho

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and it's nicer for the user

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maximises their use case with larger context window when hardware available

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so minimum might be 1 million, but could be even higher...maybe hundreds of millions if no one else was using it lol

dry kestrel
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Not too sure about this but there must be a valid reason to why none of these AI companies are doing this. Edit: For their paid plans

dry kestrel
quaint ravine
#

tell me about it...Gemini is a good example

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altho haven't tested it last few weeks...maybe it improved

dry kestrel
#

and hallucinations increase

quaint ravine
dry kestrel
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"The context window for Claude Pro and our API is currently 200k+ tokens"

grand silo
#

you said no major provider was doing it

quaint ravine
#

Setting a truly dynamic token limit for a Large Language Model (LLM) faces significant computational, architectural, and practical barriers. While the concept is appealing for optimizing efficiency, current models are not built for on-the-fly adjustments to their core context window.

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pretty interesting answer...says a lot of stuff and then

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"Due to these barriers, the field is moving toward dynamically managing how tokens are processed rather than changing the overall limit. This allows for adaptive computation without altering the model's core architecture"

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maybe GPT using some of that

dry kestrel
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Edited the message nonetheless to clarify

quaint ravine
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thanks for your engagement @dry kestrel

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I learned a lot

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btw

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when perplexity first was released, was token limit 32k too?

dry kestrel
#

Im not too sure

stuck wasp
#

Hey 👋 , Does anyone have a Comet invite left please ?

quaint ravine
#

you might as well sticky or set a command for Hammy Homelander lol

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whenever someone asks for Comet invite, produce "dm me" from Hammy Homelander 😛

lone lintel
#

Hello everyone !
Does anyone still have a Comet prompt available ? I'd love (and I'm rly impatient) to test the comet browser 😄
If you have one to share, I'm interested in DMing
Thanks in advance

muted coral
#

omg💀

lone lintel
maiden flower
gloomy cipher
#

43c 🧘‍♂️

short narwhal
haughty birch
#

can someone tell me what is the purpose of whatsapp connector to perplexity and how it works? what is the use case

gloomy cipher
#

this one is because of you 😂

maiden flower
gloomy cipher
#

its from generating all the jinx with chrismas outfit

maiden flower
#

With assistant

short narwhal
#

I’m remembered by your pplx, what a honor

timber niche
#

Rip kesku 5

gloomy cipher
#

4 died before 5

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🥷

timber niche
#

Nope

short narwhal
#

Rip kesku 3

timber niche
#

Atleast 1 and 2 are alive

#

Kesku died tho

gloomy cipher
#

kesku 1 msged me, after surviving his first assasin

timber niche
#

Interesting

gloomy cipher
#

🦆

timber niche
#

I miss vtuber kesku

steel crescent
#

did perplexity Pro become slower?

distant aurora
#

@gloomy cipher @timber niche @valid charm

gloomy cipher
#

i keep thinking its a random peasant

distant aurora
#

They all miss butcher so bad.

gloomy cipher
#

would this work well with pplx memory

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say if i use that prompt in my ai profile

distant aurora
distant aurora
gloomy cipher
#

will do later maybe even shorten it

timber niche
crimson frost
#

Hey folks, hope everyone is having a lovely day. I'm from the UK and would love a Comet invite 🙂

gloomy finch
#

No idea buddy seems like they started looting money directly now🫠

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So butcher what happened that u changed ur name ? @distant aurora

magic leaf
#

hey

stark marten
#

Hey 👋 , Does anyone have a Comet invite left please ? Love!

magic leaf
#

why sometime perplexity not search anything for me?

quaint ravine
#

crazy how many bots are so human-like now

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i'd say about 1-5% of chatters here are actually bots

tame current
gloomy cipher
#

🥳

twin grail
#

Hell nah

gloomy cipher
#

we have had massive drought this year always ran out of drinking water

twin grail
#

Iruka ?

twin grail
#

@dry kestrel

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This gotta be unreal

gloomy cipher
#

"spin" 💀

twin grail
#

We got Assistant in Grok

#

Hell nah

gloomy cipher
twin grail
#

I love the anime girl tho

gloomy cipher
#

like wtf is this a medieval armor?

twin grail
#

Idk ask elon lol

scarlet oxide
#

what site do u guys use for benchmarks

twin grail
#

this is so crazy lmao

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Perplexity

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U gotta make a mascot like this

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We hella need it

tame current
#

Elon loves Misa from Death Note