combat-and-skills

[runic zealot]

Also make legging and chest lieces with HP+

Yea like this

Thats exactly wat my lvl 8 mage has on rn too xD

[bleak bluff]

I was suffering until i realised i can spend 2 points and immediately double my max hp

[runic zealot]

Also eat foods with +HP as well

[runic zealot]

Me too

100% worth for sure

[bleak bluff]

I believe it's a design flaw

[runic zealot]

Well tbf

The color of the nodes dont matter really

Like the survivor skill path

[bleak bluff]

For constitution, most certainly

[runic zealot]

Deffo worth on alot of build

[bleak bluff]

Probably endurance as well

[runic zealot]

Especially for one of Mages strongest survivability combos

Survivors "Good Metabolism + Tricksters "Bloodletting"

A must hav for Mages if ask me

[bleak bluff]

You mean trickster but yes

[runic zealot]

There we go

[bleak bluff]

Friend recommended I take water aura even if not int class

I don't really think that's worth

[runic zealot]

Yeah thats also very helpful

[cunning mural]

well, it's not that useful unless you're a mage, if you're a mage it's insanely helpful

[bleak bluff]

Yes

[runic zealot]

No form of Health regen in this game is useful in combat directly

But its helpful for outside of combat or running away

[bleak bluff]

Except lifesteal

[runic zealot]

Yea lifesteal is the only viable HP regen for active combat

[bleak bluff]

I'm actively trading hits a lot of the time

[runic zealot]

Once u have Lifesteal + Bloodletting u should be feeling a bit more tmcozy in the health department

[cunning mural]

especially as a mage...

[bleak bluff]

But berserkers murder me anyway

[cunning mural]

no animation cancel...

[runic zealot]

Yeah unfortunately i think the devs forgot to impliment animation cancel windows

[bleak bluff]

Kindlewastes berserker hits me for almost 400 damage

I have 800 hp

[runic zealot]

Yeah they do that, what is ur enemy dmg modifier set too?

[cunning mural]

...what level are you? I am playing a level 8 (15 but my armor is still level 8) mage

[bleak bluff]

Default

[runic zealot]

Standard 100% or Hards 150%

[torn scroll]

The one that existed was a bit broken

[bleak bluff]

Im lvl 23 i think

[cunning mural]

I vaguely remember my brother mentioning it was OP to the point he could like... fly with it

[bleak bluff]

Wearing iron/padding tier mage stuff

[torn scroll]

There was flying and there was blocking and firing your wand

[runic zealot]

Maybe equip the legging and chest pieces with the highest amount of bonus HP

[bleak bluff]

Dafuq

I am now

[cunning mural]

now hold on... "blocking while using the wand"... but that makes sense though!

[runic zealot]

Should be able to craft something from the blacksmith that gives +240hp

[bleak bluff]

Respec into 2h

[runic zealot]

And +160hp

[cunning mural]

it's a WARD, why can't I use my wand at the same time??

[torn scroll]

But you never took any damage and killed everything^^

[bleak bluff]

So im just axing everything

[cunning mural]

well currently it's too easy to take damage and be killed by everything

[bleak bluff]

And it's a better gameplay experience

Except vs archers

Heck those guys

[cunning mural]

they should try to balance the mage to be similar to other classes

[bleak bluff]

Running around

[torn scroll]

Just kill it faster then it kills you

[runic zealot]

If u build down the Tank tree u can grab 4 nodes of Constitution as well as a bunch of tanky stuff that benefits any build regardless of ur archtype style

[bleak bluff]

Yeah

[runic zealot]

So u wont have to feel like ur "wasting skill points"

[cunning mural]

I was just in the hollow halls earlier, that is... not an option if you are fighting more than 3 things

[bleak bluff]

However im just melee now and I have a bunch of con

[cunning mural]

those darn hollow dogs are so fast

[runic zealot]

If u played with my personal custom setting Constitution wouldnt feel as mandatory

[torn scroll]

HHs are made to be hard

[runic zealot]

💖

[torn scroll]

Early game mage/archer are rough but midgame all classes are quite balanced tbh

[cunning mural]

when is "mid game" btw? Nomad Highlands or Revelwood?

[runic zealot]

My settings are specifically designed to allow more armor choice flexibility, and allow things besides lifesteal to be viable for in combat scenarios

[cunning mural]

cause I know there's more biomes now... but Kindlewastes used to be the "end-game"

[runic zealot]

Along with making gem effects and other passive dmg skills feel more impactful on gameplay

[torn scroll]

I'd count nomad/Kindlewaste as midgame

[bleak bluff]

Revelwood is earlygame

[bleak bluff]

Sounds nice, I can't be bothered to make the change tho

Gonna just unga bunga melee until the combat rework

Shang Khan, the Axe

[torn scroll]

Just don't expect to much of it

[bleak bluff]

If it disappoints then im off to a different game

Have riftbreaker lined up

[runic zealot]

The main appeal of Enshrouded is it's base building system

It's by far the most user friendly yet also most indepth base building system I have ever seen in gaming

Outside of the redstone logic system even minecrafts base building feels beat.

[sullen crater]

Even with just loads of fireballs. 😄

[sullen crater]

I'd say exploration overall, too.

[runic zealot]

Some of the areas are really nice

Like the mini dungeon crawly stuffs with the puzzles

But in MY personal opinion, due to how the loot mechanics works, it can make exploration feel like a chore if your exploring a dungeon type you've seen a few dozen times before

Cause u know theres no loot incentive to be had, especially if the place is lower level than ur current gear

I didnt find blackmire until i was level 33

It's actually one of if not is my favorite region

But exploring it was such a chore cause it was basically just sight seeing

The food enemies dropped were irrelevant compared to my current access of food, the gear and rings found didnt matter.

Arrows i collected where all scrapped

BUT, I find the ||Eternal Frost Arrow|| there and that was for sure the highlight of my time there

There's two places in particular i remember tho

One at the temple where u free the person, it was a beautiful tinnel covered in flowers, ||strawberries|| and other lush fauna and climbing up that really big tree

[gilded blaze]

is it worth to respec if oyu find one op new weapon that u usually dont use?

[bleak bluff]

Can you parry a shroud stalker

[gilded blaze]

life if im 2h but find a dope dagger to play dex for a while? or become mage with a nice staff

[bleak bluff]

The cost isnt high for full respec

[wild cypress]

Respecs are cheap and experimentation is fun, but daggers are only badass if you're willing to get into some deeper mechanics. Search my posts for advice on how to dagger well.

[wild cypress]

I don't think so, they're large enemies and most of those guys' attacks can't be blocked or parried, but I defer to the more experienced players if they disagree. I sure haven't been able to lol.lol.

[bleak bluff]

Annoying

[gilded blaze]

this?

[wild cypress]

I think their role in the game is to reinforce "don't get hit," which seems to be a core mechanic for all classes.

[wild cypress]

Yes!

[bleak bluff]

Yeah which is utter horsecrap for me playing on high ping

[gilded blaze]

ah hiotting formt he back is too mich skill for me. i stand in a group of enemies and jsut let them hit me while i use the crit heal and lifesteal rings

[wild cypress]

That's why I have Crash Down and Shockwave in my build as well as some soldier armor. But if you're dagger main, which seems to be a build devs didn't really plan on being a thing, you gotta get used to separating mobs from the group and burning them down fast. Using terrain and not being scared to throw arrows and grenades is also very helpful in the early levels.

[wild cypress]

Fair enough, but this is no fault of the devs.

[bleak bluff]

And wizard just sucks

You can see the discussion earlier

[wild cypress]

I did. I respectfully but firmly disagree, although my experience came from playing off my SSD or a shared game on my home network. The Mage skillset is very wimpy early on but by endgame is probably the highest possible DPS and sustain one can get.

[bleak bluff]

You dont have animation cancel on wands or staves

Period

[wild cypress]

Combat in this game is a dance. I like that. It feels more unique to the game. Sure sometimes I grumble at it not aligning with how I play other games, but that doesn't make it bad or poorly made, it makes it unique and causes new limitations which urge the player to be more thoughtful.

[bleak bluff]

It's poorly made

[wild cypress]

🤷 I am having a blast.

[bleak bluff]

Then you have no taste

[sullen crater]

You don't have animation cancel on anything in the game, and that could be a good idea to add to Feature Upvote!

I'm partcicularly annoyed when accidentally petting goats. 😄

[bleak bluff]

and you would expect someone you clown emoted to do that?

[sullen crater]

But I think you have too high expectations for a game still in early access, and generally a disrespective attitude that I don't think benefits anyone. Stating "I don't like X" is one thing. Stating "X sucks" is... uselessly flamy.

Fair enough, clown emote removed, sorry.

But your statement was way worse than our reaction, I think.

Someone has no taste just because they like something you don't? Come on. 😅

[bleak bluff]

that's hardly the reason

the person in question failed to see the flaws in the design

blind praise is not good

[sullen crater]

I don't think that's the case. She said she sometimes grumbles at some things etc.

She just said she was having fun regardless.

[bleak bluff]

im livid so there

[sullen crater]

Your frog does go with the attitude. 😉

(Not sure what it is, it just looks like a grumpy frog. It's cute.)

[bleak bluff]

its a frog

whatever, im gonna play something else

[midnight stream]

I've searched and can't find this answer, I'm sure its simple and I'm just missing it, please forgive me! What skill did I pick that makes me explode on landing after flying for a while?

[wild cypress]

Gem of Meteoric Impact, I'm betting.

[midnight stream]

ahhhha thank you

[grave citrus]

There’s a feature upvote? Where do I find that

[lilac prism]

What is Feature Upvote?

• It is a site where players can make suggestions for the game and upvote other suggestions for a chance to get them implemented.
• Please search for your suggestion before submitting to avoid duplicates.

Suggestions may be open/closed at any time to review backlogs.

• Upvote suggestions you like to increase their chances of being implemented.

Enshrouded Feature Upvote: Click Here

Please keep suggestions to one per ticket, we will delete any tickets containing general feedback, multiple suggestions or duplicates (as that defeats the purpose of the site.)

[spark wagon]

👆

[gleaming musk]

Lol. Lmfao, even

Way to out yourself as being bad at buildcrafting. Mages definitely have a lot issues atm, but they don't outright suck 😆

[runic zealot]

Hey Mr. Bleppers, we can debate and disagree but lets not degrade others for their opinions >.<

Be a good Froggy for me ok

💖

[misty sedge]

actually

Evasion attack does have animation cancel

However

I'll never respect the opinion that a game is poorly designed because you have to commit to an action you make.

Could some animations allow you to do something quicker after they're done, like spell casting? Sure.

[narrow canyon]

Combat is aight the real issue for me is the skill tree that pretends to be some deep poe tree but in reality it offers so few choices

[graceful sinew]

also atm the enemies are not hard / complicated enough to need complicated tech to fight. if your level matches and you dont get one-shot, you can fight it. if you DO get one-shot either gotta avoid the enemy and get stronger first, or fight really carefully.
playing on hard and i swear all my deaths so far have been from misjudging my stamina and hitting the ground at mach 3, or from high-dmg attacks coming from blind-spots (usually outside of combat... damn jellyfish snipers) and nearly giving me a heart attack irl.

[sullen crater]

Yeah, I've only finished the game on Normal so far, but I have two more characters started on Hard and Survival and, actually, playing on them now with knowledge of the game is probably net easier than playing my first run on Normal was. 😄

And, to be clear, I'm not saying my run on Normal was particularly hard. It was a normal video game playthrough.

[misty sedge]

The skill tree is... Interesting

[sullen crater]

Just overall - it had various begginer'ѕ bumps, and these two are going smoothly so far.

[fleet field]

The issue with the tree isn't that it's not a POE2 tree, it's because some players want it to be a POE2 tree... in a survival crafting game. That's not to say that the tree needs work, which it is getting, and specifically around combat tuning.

But meanwhile, I recently had another player say magic builds were unviable because you had to put skill points into them. I do not understand this at all, but I guess there's a moderate amount of the playerbase that apparently doesn't wants a skill tree.

Maybe the combat update will add a highly advanced POE2 style skill tree and have a difficulty toggle that's like "click button on any weapon to win fight."

[runic zealot]

Spellcasting has like so many deadframes on its endlag once u see it u cant unsee and it drives me crazy

Like my character is jus standing there in neutral position not atking and I still cant respond or dodge

It feels like 0.4-0.6 secs of unused dead frames that jus sit on idle

[misty sedge]

And like, that's ridiculous, and melee definitely doesn't have that issue

[runic zealot]

Yeah there's cancels exactly.when u think it should

As ur character transition from finishing swing to going back to nautral idle

[misty sedge]

Mage isn't so OP that it needs to have such endlag as a balancing solution

Especially not anymore

Perhaps when Acid Bite could one shot everything in the game

[runic zealot]

@misty sedge this is wat mean by idle deadframes, look how long my character stand in the idle animation before the game lets me block

Ik it might not be much but when enemies can do over half ur HP in dmg in a single hit and with how fast lizards thrust or lunging atks come out.

That delay can be potentially fatal or at the least feel irritating because rationally thinking, ur characters literally jus standing there.. why couldnt they block or dodge it-

[gleaming musk]

Yeah honestly those dead frames are the only reason Wards make mechanical sense for mages. You can't realistically block or parry if you're attacking at all, so may as well go for cosmetics and some passives

Like putting a dinosaur band-aid on an amputated limb

[bleak bluff]

Nice opinion

[bleak bluff]

They decided to make themselves the target to defend the subject

[gleaming musk]

As if yours was any more reasonable.

Here's a fact for you: mages can solo everything in the game.

[bleak bluff]

I don't converse with people who respond with lol skill issue

Except when I know them extremely well

[gleaming musk]

You're the one who started with that energy, not I.

Sue me for not expending any more energy than you deserved

[runic zealot]

Nyo Mr. Froggy no more targets, only snuggly friendly chaotic debates

We're friens so we should debate lovingly but passionately

[cunning mural]

Sorry Bestie but I have decided my opinions are correct and everyone elses are wrong

no debate or reasoning or logic, only "I am right cause I said so "

[cursive flicker]

Mage is absolute trash you heard it here. Ignore how good bloodletting, mass destruction, and terror are.

[cunning mural]

also is this discussion about mages? cause... Mages definitely need some re-balancing

not like a super overhaul and ultra buff to the point they can 1-shot GOD

but like... maybe we could make it so they can interupt a wand swing to block or dodge?...

[runic zealot]

Ok, I will ignore it!

[cursive flicker]

I don't really like wand gameplay though, I think the animation is far too long and just feels meh to use. Power level imo is fine, just hate the animations.

[runic zealot]

If I can't reform the landscape by evaporating half a mountian with a single beam, can u really call urself a Mage?

[cunning mural]

I just wish I could block, and wand swings should be a little faster I think in general

[runic zealot]

Yea it says 0.6s atk spd but whenever I was testing with a sword the sword pumps out atks about 20-25% faster per hit.

Wand atk spd is more like a 0.8s

With the addition of some deadframes at the end of the animations too that prevent u from reacting when u normally should be able too

[cunning mural]

a wand should be easier to swing than a sword, and thus should be as fast if not faster than a sword, if they need to lower damage on wands and raise durability to compensate for the speed... that's fine, but I want my thing to "Feel" better

[cursive flicker]

I have big hopes for the combat overhaul/rework whatever you want to call it. I have a good bit of gripes about animations in general. Bow and staff feel great but they are just long range projectile weapons. 1h weapons are just.. spin... spin again.. lets spin some more. 2h axe/mace is alright but kind of boring. 2h greatsword doesnt really feel like a greatsword at all. I like daggers but its probably just cause its super quick.

[runic zealot]

Should be the samenspeed as the daggers if we are being real here.

A wand and dagger are about the same length and weight

[cunning mural]

actually I have a gripe on the Bow!

you reset draw-ing when you jump or land... why

[runic zealot]

Me too i hold out lots of hope and faith for it!

[runic zealot]

Yeah thats true

[cunning mural]

I want to run, draw bow, jump, and shoot.. but the second I jump, my 1s draw time is reset

[runic zealot]

Very unintuitive

[cursive flicker]

Yea I can see that. A lot of my gameplay with bow comes down to bee sting shenanigans so its just jump, shoot, jump shoot, jump shoot. Bunny hop all over.

[cunning mural]

to be fair, I am not a ranger, this is my complaint in general

[cursive flicker]

For now, Il just keep playing my dagger/bow build where I abuse slice and dice lol.

[cunning mural]

if I have taken the time to draw my bow... I shouldn't reset it cause I jumped or landed from a jump

[cursive flicker]

I've noticed that behavior with staves as well

Which is very frustrating so I understand.

[cunning mural]

it's more a complaint about "flow" than "I am not strong enough"

[cursive flicker]

Yea, same thing I feel about wands. Don't like the feel and flow of it, nothing to do with power level.

[bleak bluff]

I believe numerically wizards can output the most aoe but wands are unfun to work with

[cunning mural]

well end-game that might be true... I just did the first hollow hall as a mage, and uh... it was abysmal

[bleak bluff]

Difficult to avoid using a wand because 90% of enemies run at you

[bleak bluff]

Spring lands?

[cunning mural]

yes

[bleak bluff]

If you don't have at least fireball 2 you're probably suffering

[cunning mural]

well you don't get fireball 2 in the springlands...

[bleak bluff]

Indeed

[cunning mural]

and I haven't left the springlands even once yet I am 100%ing springlands before I go to the next biome

[bleak bluff]

Fireball 1 aoe is barely noticeable

Not helpful vs an undead legion

And then there's dogs

[cunning mural]

I did beat it btw, but it was a lot of... run away, jump and updraft to places they can't reach, and attempt to use some weaker spells against them from a distance

and the dogs are a nightmare for a mage

[cursive flicker]

If you can manage to farm the crypts you can use the little wispy boys to help get attention off you as well. I made a pseudo necromancer build using them.

[cunning mural]

annoyingly, I have "Necromancer" as a skill, and it did spawn a couple tiny floaty skulls
and I got the skull companion vessels... but it only gave me like... 3 the whole dungeon?

[bleak bluff]

Definitely dislike the forced gimmicky gameplay

[cursive flicker]

You should be able to craft them after the first one, but its been a bit since I did a fresh playthrough.

[cunning mural]

well that's the problem... it was the first one

and the only real problem was the final room, which has a tooon of enemies

[cursive flicker]

Yea, I don't remember when you unlock it, if it was full completion of it. Its been awhile.

[bleak bluff]

I would rather just avoid it until I have better fireballs

[cunning mural]

that's the "smart" thing to do, but it's a slippery slope to "just wait until you're level 45 with eternal everything THEN the first hollow hall is easy!"

[bleak bluff]

You're supposed to have fun anyhow

[cunning mural]

I decided to do a fresh playthrough, this time I am 100%ing each biome before I progress to the next one, been in Springlands for a looong time

[gleaming musk]

Honestly wands need a complete overhaul imo. Using them is basically just attack spamming until someone dies cause of the end lag + nonexistant moveset

[gleaming musk]

tru fax

[cunning mural]

it's not that I judge anyone for waiting on the hollow hall, but I specifically think "Hey, game devs... this is kinda silly that mages have to wait to do this content compared to other classes..."

[bleak bluff]

Well at least that's the hardest instance for springlands, probably

Other classes don't really fare much better

[cunning mural]

I beg to differ, a warrior with a 1H mace, shield, and "Battle Heal"? goodluck, send the hoards I'll kick their teeth in

I am not as sure on the dagger/bow of a ranger though

[bleak bluff]

But early game mages need so many extra tweaks to not die it detracts from the experience

[cunning mural]

to be fair, I honestly think... speeding up the wand and making it easier to block/interupt my attacks if an enemy is coming my way... ya know, kinda like how you can block/parry with a sword?

that alone would make the mage a lot easier to play

[bleak bluff]

That's the most obvious issue yes

[cunning mural]

block/parry should take priority over "mid attack" as long as I am not using a 2H weapon, a 2H weapon is clearly more of a commitment than "I am swinging a magic twig"

[fleet field]

Magic twigs take commitment too. For example, it's Levi-o-sa not Levi-o-SA

[cunning mural]

"Now what do 'Levi's you saw' have to do with castin spells?"

[runic zealot]

Instructions unclear my wand floated away.

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, magic doesn't start to get really powerful until Kindlewastes atm. Your best option until then is to handle groups with Fireball spam and single targets with Ice Bolt + Bone Channel

[cunning mural]

they gave me so little bone channel in that dungeon

I ended up using firebolt when I started to run low on fireball 1

[gleaming musk]

You're supposed to craft them. Bone Channel 1 is extremely easy to craft

[cunning mural]

yeah but like... it kinda sucks to be in the MIDDLE (or right at the end) of the first hollow hall... and have to LEAVE just so you can come back to complete it

[gleaming musk]

Yeah agreed. Part of why imo the dynamic between eternal and consumed spells needs to change

[cunning mural]

I had an eternal spell, since you do get one in the springlands

but... mages really can't... multi-target early game... at all

[gleaming musk]

The very lowest form of Ice Bolt lol

[cunning mural]

and I swear, the wand ignores what I am looking at

[gleaming musk]

Barely worth mentioning

[cunning mural]

"there's a scavenger wolf chasing me, SO STOP TRYING TO HIT THE SCAVENGER RANGER HE'S TOO FAR AWAY ANYWAYS"

but the wand didn't listen

and now my boot is gone on the plus side, the wolf got a new chew toy

[gleaming musk]

Fwiw, Ice Bolt is invaluable for surviving encounters you cant snipe your way through

Especially since you haven't gotten Lightning Channel yet

It gets an AoE that lingers at some point, but I cant remember offhand if that happens at Ice Bolt 1 or Eternal Ice Bolt (Kindlewastes edition)

[cunning mural]

and I get icebolt's usefulness, especially against wolves... the problem is wolves I think are also resistant to ice bolt

so yes... it slows them down... well, it slows... one... maybe two down... shame they come in packs...

[gleaming musk]

Yeah they're resistant to the damage. Ice Bolt's slow effect is why you want to use it.

Ideally you chain spells together in a combo

[cunning mural]

"it's better than nothing" obviously but like... gosh darn, I am excited and dreading the combat update

I think everyone is excited for the combat update in their mind, but like...

1 sentence horror story:
"...what if they make it worse? "

[gleaming musk]

We DDOS them until they rollback /s

[cunning mural]

I look at Minecraft, and 1.9 combat update literally killed the game for SOME people, and they refuse to update to it, lol

[gleaming musk]

I'm even more intensely anticipating it because:

1. Reverse engineering gameplay systems is my shit
2. Oh boy I have to rewrite the guide

MVP of the guide is nearly finished, btw. Been working on it in bits when I can

[cunning mural]

I also hope Enshrouded lets us play older versions

I like older versions, I occasionally reload older versions from time to time

[gleaming musk]

I stopped experiencing old version nostalgia since avoiding MMOs tbh

For most games, older version of the same release are usually outright worse

[cunning mural]

my poor PC... 60GB each

[cunning mural]

in Enshrouded, that's... actually not always the case

in fact, I think the worst update is Thralls Of Twilight, but pre-thralls of twilight is really good

...yes I have two veilwaters, one is "Veilwater" aka "Before the update for the cosmetic armor we got recently" and the other is "Veilwater 1" aka... FIRST release of veilwater, all bugs included

[gleaming musk]

I think I was on hiatus when that dropped so idr what changed there specifically

[cunning mural]

#spoilers-ahead message "Spoiler chat cause it's all albaneve summits stuff"

they added... random shroud nonsense to all the armor in the game

the water is goated enough to make me tolerate the thralls of twilight changes...

but everytime I see a shroud material, tantrums and fits are always at risk of being thrown

[bleak bluff]

At least most of it is just stuff you pick off the ground

Need to kill more sicklescythes...

[cunning mural]

I wish that were true... but no... you have to CHOP or MINE most of it, or farm enemies... the only material that was actually added for the shroud, that you can pick up is "pink mushroom meat" which made me realize... "wait why can't we pick up the mint mushroom meat???"

[runic zealot]

How do they know its minty?

[cunning mural]

and then I went through every biome's shroud-liquid equivilant material and I realized... literally all of them require an axe except starter shroud liquid, and pink mushroom meat

[bleak bluff]

It's well... right there

[cunning mural]

mint in color

[bleak bluff]

Pick off the ground, literally

⛏️

[runic zealot]

Time to go home

[cunning mural]

I like gathering shroud liquid cause it's... mash E to grab
...I dislike grabbing archaic essence.. cause although you can "mash E" your character does an animation between each piece of essence...
I hate chopping shroud mushrooms from revelwood, cause they're sparse and you need a lot and they take forever and they fall in shroud-tar and

[sullen crater]

I can tolerate mining, but chopping is more boring.

There are some areas in Revelwood where there is a bunch of them on good terrain, but still.

If it auto-picked up like the pickaxe, it would be OK.

[cunning mural]

thralls of twilight screams "we needed the game to last longer and are now padding for time" but like... on accident, like they didn't quite realise they were doing it

[runic zealot]

Did I miss Revelwood somehow?

I thought only Blackmire had tar-

[sullen crater]

I think he means red shroud.

[cunning mural]

"Shroud-Tar" is the red "insta death juice"

[runic zealot]

Oh that stuff

[cunning mural]

it actually is called "Shroud Tar" btw

[sullen crater]

We call it shroud lava more often, but, yes.

[cunning mural]

oh I agree, but one sec...

[sullen crater]

Somewhere ingame or just in the files?

[cunning mural]

in game

grabbing a screenshot

"I am prepared to die"

[gleaming musk]

Ahh, yeah I was on hiatus when that dropped. Noticed the change when I got back and it didnt really bother me at all cause the shroud timer is barely an annoyance for mages. But I can see how it'd be frustrating for everyone else

[runic zealot]

Am I the only one dissapointed that lava doesnt work like tar?

[cunning mural]

it's both shroud and tar... shroud tar

[runic zealot]

Its lava

But i jus walk across it casually whenever playforming sections use it as the fall penalty

[sullen crater]

Gotcha! But I think that might just be the name for the effect of being in something sticky.

[cunning mural]

if you're max level as a healer, you can just... walk on lava like it's nothing with eternal heal channel

[runic zealot]

Too me it's nothing regardless

Its like stepping on hot coals.

[cunning mural]

I called it "shroud lava" originally... especially in it's OLD graphic, like... dear god it was bright...

[gleaming musk]

Like how with healer gear, Water Aura / Waters of Life is technically an extended oxygen gauge

[cunning mural]

but technically, lava is fire and shroud is weak to fire... so it can't be shroud-lava...
I still called it that, but then they added "tar" and shroud-tar was given the same effects as Tar... so... Shroud-Tar

[runic zealot]

Waters of life?

Is that jus the skill name?

[runic zealot]

Btw Bestie. You took sooo long today to show up

Wat were u doing

[cunning mural]

I was doing super awesome and important things

[gleaming musk]

It's the name of the skill that doubles Water Aura's effectiveness

[runic zealot]

Like wat kinda awesome special stuff

[runic zealot]

I found that when it gives 2 point

Even at a like 15 int

[cunning mural]

spending time with my Family and cherishing them

[runic zealot]

U still get that extra +1 from the 15th point

[runic zealot]

Awwwh that's so sweet, am so proud of u.

Fammy is veryyyy important

[cunning mural]

My mom is actually the one who found Enshrouded for us

[runic zealot]

I wonder if the other "requires 2pts for 1" also get a half bonus from odd number stats

[cunning mural]

"Welcome to the #combat-and-skills chat where I am talking about cherishing my family and how my mom got me into Enshrouded"

definitely what this chat was meant for

[runic zealot]

I haven't seen my mom in over a year

[cunning mural]

perhaps go see your mom soon then

[runic zealot]

My car is broken still and she lives 3 cities away

[cunning mural]

give her a call and chat with her sometime then

[runic zealot]

Maybe I should, but i never know what to talk about

I always felt so different from my family

But then the one time I meant my family from my dads side..

I realized i'm like all of them instead

Timid airheads that are all mostly nerdy.

My moms very rowdy and loud and loves parties, gambling, drinking and doing all that stuffs

She did make cute trees using wirings and sold them at festivals tho

I was too young to be of any help with that stuff tho

[gleaming musk]

Probably will. They're likely calculating it with ceil(Int/2.0) so it still always has an effect even if your Int is terrible

[runic zealot]

It's so hard being the most smarterest person around

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-gif-15803938140857170302

[sullen timber]

is this worth upgrading and using?

this is my build

current weapon

[wild cypress]

If your build isn't focused on doing lots of Merciless Attacks then that's 2 points of five that upgrading it would be poorly applied to, and since Shroud damage doesn't affect Fell or skellies, you'd be missing out on that bonus damage, as well, when fighting such foes. It's a specialty weapon.

BTW this website, linked off the Enshrouded wiki, is a great way to share your full skill tree and plan ahead. https://www.enshrouded-skill-tree.com/

[bleak bluff]

its outdated

[gilded blaze]

ok but are you guys actually using the swords? their attack pattern feels so incredibly clunky and with less aoe swings i never used one, even feel bad after the berserker attackspeed

and why is there backstab on these heavy weapons?

[bleak bluff]

there's backstab on everything

even wands

[bleak bluff]

i wonder if running default eternal icebolt is better than its upgrades when you're only using it for the slow

[fleet field]

2h swords are tougher to learn - can't just mash the attack button like axes and hammers. Once you learn the timing though they're soooo effective.

[gleaming musk]

Every weapon can backstab. This is pretty important for multiplayer and certain boss encounters where you're meant to stun the boss and then attack them after they collapse in an extremely predictable manner

[gleaming musk]

Easy way to find out. Just compare the debuff duration and apparent speed reduction on identical enemies with predictable traversal mechanics (i.e. only running, no lunge maneuvers)

I'd guess that you'd want to at least use the lowest tier that has an AoE, and maybe get Frost.

[gleaming musk]

Only in that the names and effects of certain nodes are out of date. It still represents every node in-game and has correct SP costs, so it's still invaluable as a buildcraft tool.

[bleak bluff]

pretty sure it doesnt have the doubled damage on fire aura last i checked

decently confusing moment

is the author intending to update any time soon

[misty sedge]

Backstab literally just means "attacked from behind"

[misty sedge]

If lack of AoE is a deal breaker, your positioning is bad.

[bleak bluff]

meh

i just chopped a sickle to death because apparently the spam attacks dont hit you if you're hugging it

and i have grounding hook

[gleaming musk]

No idea tbh

[bleak bluff]

i hate this boss really

and the design of that particular elixir well

[gleaming musk]

It doesn't. It also incorrectly lists Rebound nodes as increasing base stamina regen by 50% rather than 10%. A lot of nodes are out of date. But the tree structure and SP costs are still all correct to my knowledge. If it were publicly editable I'd update it myself tbh

[bleak bluff]

sigh

[gleaming musk]

The sicklescythe? Yeah they're rough. Best to cling onto their toes. Or if you're at range, use cover and block/parry the sicles + dodge the skulls

[bleak bluff]

i've tried blocking

waste of stam

[gleaming musk]

You can also parry them back

[bleak bluff]

difficult and annoying

mostly due to ping but hey

[gleaming musk]

Personally I'm so unpracticed at parrying due to staff/wand end lag that I just block as needed until I close the distance

Then burst them down with bone channel

[bleak bluff]

parrying should not be a priority mechanic in an online game but whatever

fighting that boss as mage is just sad and boring

the sickles also have good homing and will curve around to hit you behind cover

[gleaming musk]

If you get under them and Bone Channel, they die in seconds.

[gleaming musk]

It isn't. It's just one of the routes you can take.

[bleak bluff]

dont have bone channel

[gleaming musk]

I'd strongly suggest fixing that, then. Not just for this boss, either

Bone Channel is one of the best spells in the game

[bleak bluff]

not sure i care since im playing melee now

[gleaming musk]

Ahh

Then yeah if you're playing melee, grapple & parry are what you're meant to use.

And then close distance and cut off their toes

[bleak bluff]

got tired of all the high burst damage

and still, the skull from this boss does like 3 instances of damage so a direct hit kills me

[gleaming musk]

Yeah. You have to anticipate those and dodge them or bait them into hitting the environment

[bleak bluff]

im not sure if its intended or its because of ping

spike traps in spires tend to hit me multiple times per trigger

[gleaming musk]

It's not just you, and yeah that happens inconsistently. They need to have damaging effects track who they've recently damaged so it doesnt proc so often

I'd personally consider that a bug, though its technically a feature request

I mostly notice it with traps though. Can't say i remember enemy attacks doing it (at least ones that werent obviously meant to be multihit)

For the sicklescythes, the skulls are only an annoyance for me

[tribal smelt]

stand in their face, it's impossible to get hit. easy as that

[bleak bluff]

feels cheesy

[tribal smelt]

it is :D

[gleaming musk]

It is, but the homing is cheesy too

[bleak bluff]

i guess if i want a proper boss duel im not finding it here

[tribal smelt]

i'd rather not die then die yk.

[gleaming musk]

Ideally the curve on the sickles wouldn't be so aggressive.

[tribal smelt]

bro have u fought the dragon yet?

[bleak bluff]

which one

[gleaming musk]

...have you ever played an Early Access game before?

[tribal smelt]

the only one

[gleaming musk]

Probably hasnt

[bleak bluff]

isnt the one in pikemead a dragon

[tribal smelt]

u probably cant beat that thing before level 35-40

nope

[bleak bluff]

guess not then

[gleaming musk]

The dragon fight is towards the end of the currently released content

[bleak bluff]

is it fun or is it bullshit like demon souls

[tribal smelt]

its crazy

haha

even at max level its easy to die to hit

it *

[gleaming musk]

It's fun. Also, the fact that you think Demon's Souls is bullshit is not at all surprising lmfao

[tribal smelt]

XD

bro hasnt seen the light of life yet i think

he'll come around

all the love man

[bleak bluff]

the entire souls series is just a test of patience

[tribal smelt]

havent played it tbh

[bleak bluff]

i have no masochistic tendecies

actually maybe i do since i finished ds3 multiple times

but still

[tribal smelt]

gosh my english doesnt go that far man

[bleak bluff]

i did not have much better to do

[tribal smelt]

u got no what?

ah

well

[bleak bluff]

google the word

[tribal smelt]

u should play with someone else if ther're down

way more fun

[bleak bluff]

cant be bothered

[tribal smelt]

noted

[gleaming musk]

Partly, yeah. Their philosophy is "victory through adversity". FromSoftware's games are specifically tuned to create a challenge that (generally) requires player skill to overcome. That results in victories that taste especially sweet, which is the entire point.

[bleak bluff]

there is no victory here, only the next fight

[gleaming musk]

Early encounters can feel that way, yes. That's mostly because they're very old content and the devs have been focused on the voxel tech in the engine. Again, the game is Early Access. Not just that, but it uses a custom engine built exclusively to make this game.

In the near future they're swapping focus to combat. It's on their publicly viewable roadmap.

[bleak bluff]

they have their work cut out

if i was a fromsoft character i would be hollow after the first meeting and trying to kill everyone

[gleaming musk]

No shit. They're making an entire engine and a full game simultaneously

Game engines are a ton of work to create at all, and even more to do well. The difficulty becomes exponentially higher if they're trying to innovate with its design.

If you want to experience Enshrouded's most well-developed aspect at this stage in Early Access, you should be focusing on its build systems.

Especially with the liquid physics simulation they recently added

[bleak bluff]

I'm mostly planning to play something else when I feel less tired

[runic zealot]

What r u gonna play?

Are u saying i'm gonna lose my most favoritest angy Froggy friend?

[gilded blaze]

yeah i jsut run in and hammer attack abnd hoe i dont die. sometimes theres a dodge when i throw in a pot. i have like the whole second bar full of pots to support my playstyle xD

[misty sedge]

The skull summoning ones are very fun

[bleak bluff]

V rising first probs

Have to go kill last few bosses

How do gems work

Is there a limit to how many times I can upgrade 1 gem

[fleet field]

Gems can upgrade to level 50

[bleak bluff]

I see

Thanks

[gleaming musk]

endlessly complains about Enshrouded's combat
eventually decides to leave and go play a different game with even worse combat

🤨

[bleak bluff]

But I get better spells than 2 second channel fireball

And funny weapons

And parries that have visible animations and duration

[fleet field]

Maybe I should start making more vids to help show timing. This is the second clip I took for greatswords

[misty sedge]

Instead of double jumping into crash down, try single jumping and doing upward slash to crash down

[fleet field]

Oh that works too! I did this one because of Crash Down: Force

[gleaming musk]

You really don't. All spells in V Rising are just slight variations on a few basic types with a fresh coat of paint. They're the mechanical equivalent to "Illusion of Choice" in narrative. Same for all of the weapons on offer, as far as I've seen.

V Rising does a solid job overall at selling the vampire fantasy, but my god is its combat one-dimensional. The only thing worse than V Rising's combat is its resource gathering, which is just its combat again but stripped down even more.

[misty sedge]

To be fair, I don't have double jump, so I don't know if that skill alone adds enough damage to out-damage the two hits from upslash > crashdown

It may be stronger, what you did

[fleet field]

Have you all played any POE2? When looking at skills they show little videos that are super helpful. I bet as a group we could make combat clips for the wiki or a guide.

[misty sedge]

Yeah I think it would be helpful especially for stuff like the delayed attack, I think most people find out about that on accident

[bleak bluff]

I hope you progressed beyond copper weapons, because just having 2 buttons on weapon skills already makes the combat way more interesting

[bleak bluff]

Did you know they have a button for animation cancel that you can use to feint

[gleaming musk]

Yes. My partner loves V Rising, and has me play it with him often.

[gleaming musk]

Yes, I do.

[bleak bluff]

Then what the heck are you talking about

[runic zealot]

Gems, like weapons upgrade to lvl.50

[runic zealot]

Bleppersssssss

Tell me about this V-Rising game, is it fun?

[bleak bluff]

Yes

Did you watch the castlevania animation from netflix

Its kinda like that but you're the vamps

[gleaming musk]

The irony that you're fooled into thinking the combat has any real depth or choice beyond those very basic aspects. Thought that was obvious.

[gleaming musk]

It's fun overall, though I get bored with it if I play it too much, personally. The most interesting parts are the mechanics they created to sell the vampire fantasy. The atmosphere is also pretty good.

[bleak bluff]

What dimension are you looking at it from

Stealth and pacifism? Diplomacy?

[runic zealot]

that sounds aweful i dont wanna be cannon fodder

[dusty meteor]

I like v-rising

Default difficulty is definitely scaled more for groups but you can always play with modified settings

[gleaming musk]

Normally, I would be more than happy to have lengthy, nuanced discussions about gameplay.

Not with players who are both obnoxious and overtly ignorant, though. Learned better than to waste energy like that a long time ago. Instead, I just poke fun at them. Occupational habit.

If you enjoy V Rising's combat, good for you. Nothing wrong with having simplistic tastes.

[bleak bluff]

Have it your way

[runic zealot]

I wish there was an option to auto salvage weapons in chests

[bleak bluff]

Dedicated autoloot + salvage settings yes yes

[wild cypress]

Why wish when you can vote?
https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/528391/salvage-directly-from-loot-inventory
https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/526092/auto-sortingauto-deposit-storage-chest

[bleak bluff]

Cant be bothered to make an account

Wait has it got steam integration

[wild cypress]

You don't need one.

[bleak bluff]

Ok voted

[runic zealot]

im glad other people have the same gripe i do

restristed stack size specifcally to take up storage space and force artificial scarcity

like ur telling me i can carry 250 wood logs in one tiny spot in my bag

but 21 potions,, thats jus way too much

[bleak bluff]

Adjustable world setting in v rising kek

[bronze hollow]

They just increased stack sizes.

[bleak bluff]

Still there's like 5 types of wood...

[bronze hollow]

Options

[bleak bluff]

They dont stack together however

[sullen crater]

True. Not to mention that a single arrow takes up the same space as a 2-handed axe. 😄

I generally prefer inventories with more or less realistic item sizes.

However, with all the building blocks being important, I agree that's not an option in Enshrouded.

[eager mural]

Does this one also affect staves and wands? Which weapons exactly are considered ranged?

[bleak bluff]

bows and grenades i think?

because wands and staves are specifically magic damage

[gleaming musk]

Just bows.

[bleak bluff]

how do people deal with the acid cleaver berserkers actually

not sure what im missing here

[bronze hollow]

RUN!!

[bleak bluff]

wat

what do you mean run

[bronze hollow]

If you're melee, try Parrying to get the stun. if not, look for high ground

[bleak bluff]

sigh

im trying to parry here but there doesnt seem to be any effect

[bronze hollow]

It's all about timing

The perks help a LOT also, to fill their stun bar

Best bet is to find a low level and just stand there for 5 minutes and practice parrying. once you have the timing right, it's not too hard

[bleak bluff]

me and my 200 ping does not help

[bronze hollow]

yeah, that might be an issue......

[bleak bluff]

poorly designed enemies™

[bronze hollow]

use a bow, problem solved 🤷‍♂️

[bleak bluff]

dont have one

[bleak bluff]

not trying to solve a problem, im trying to fight

[finite bough]

The green guys are designed to be harder. There are essentially 4 tiers of mobs in the game, your typical trash mobs that you can slice through like butter, harder mobs, like this guy, that pose a fairly decent challenge, but aren't quite the elite mobs, the elite mobs that drop heads and are kinda like mini bosses and then the bosses themselves which have actual raid-like mechanics.

The green guys are the first ones you come across, so they can be a bit off-putting at first because they feel so different from the trash, but they are meant to be a lot more substantial. They just take a bit of time to get used to, which is probably compounded by your connection issues.

200 ping is a hefty ping and you will notice syncing issues that will make fights like this a lot harder.

[bronze hollow]

And I thought Australian internet was bad.

[bleak bluff]

funny how i lost connection just as i read that

and even more ironic, the server is indeed in australia

but i figured out the problem

it wasnt timing

it was range

because parrying in this game is actually punching the enemy in the face before he finishes his swing

[mossy igloo]

I would like a SINGLE large chest with multiple compartments that we can upgrade using materials to add so I don't have to RUN AROUND and find which chest I put crap into. More or less similar to something like Path of Exile where you essentially buy additional tabs of storage but using the same materials we need to make chests .... even if some of the tabs are not magic like we have at the beginning. You have to build a dang massive house to house just the chests. 🙂

[bleak bluff]

well you need to build a village for all the people

ugh

parried the berserker 3 times and his stun bar was at 99%

and then i die to wolves

[sullen crater]

My condolences, but you'll get there. 🙂 Try to thin out other mobs before taking on one of these guys.

[bleak bluff]

bleh

what's a good gem for 2h

[sullen crater]

Soul Reaping, Bloodlust, Battle Mania if you're OK with drinking the Elixir. Even giod ol' Bloodletting or Burning do a decent job. Probably missing something.

[bleak bluff]

if only i can find a proper axe...

guess i'll try to get a bloodlust so i can heal harder while i heal

[gleaming musk]

Kill them before they get to you. Failing that, CC them or pick a sniping point.

[bleak bluff]

Kinda boring

Welp

[gleaming musk]

Soul Reaping is stronger for healing, especially if you don't have a reliable way to start up Bloodlust. It's also available sooner.

Actually, the amount that Soul Reaping heals right now is so incredibly strong that it's likely a bug.

[bleak bluff]

If I needed to remove 1 I'll just shoot him I guess

I have health orb on merciless

Fairly reliable

[gleaming musk]

Enshrouded's puzzle design practically requires that you have a ranged weapon of some sort, even if you don't spec into it for combat use.

[bleak bluff]

Have a staff

[gleaming musk]

Merciless Attacks are kind of a player trap atm. Also, Soul Reaping ||procs 100% of the time with no special inputs required, heals over 1k in an AoE, and attacking the vials also counts as hitting/killing enemies for triggering other effects|| so it'll be orders of magnitude stronger.

[bleak bluff]

Ok den

[gleaming musk]

The first floor of ||HH Kindlewastes|| has one of the enemies that drops the Soul Reaping gem, so it's pretty easy to get ahold of regardless of your build.

If you do the entire dungeon you'll get like 6

[bleak bluff]

Unsure if I want the super op gem but eh

First I need a better axe

[gleaming musk]

Eh, it's not going to win fights for you or anything. Still pretty easy to get killed before you can react much.

Imo, using excessively strong effects to survive poorly balanced combat comes with the territory of playing an incomplete game. But you do you

More ridiculous would be to use the gem of burning with a weapon that has health Leech. As long as an enemy is being burned you just keep popping back up after being killed

[wild cypress]

This has happened to Nezuki a few times and I always say the same thing. "What the f&#%?" XD

[gleaming musk]

Does it also work with poison? I'd assume so but havent checked

[wild cypress]

😊 Yeeeees, but life tap daggers are quite uncommon so it procs for Nezuki more often. Also Nez goes down more often than Keli in fights...even if Keli dies a lot to a combination of arrogance and gravity.

[gleaming musk]

I think gravity has killed me when building more often than I've died in actual combat tbh lol

[wild cypress]

That's the sitch lol.

[runic zealot]

I tried it on my mage, it was an absolute nightmare it completely broke the the lock-on for wands

It killed me more often than saved me

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, it's way better on staves. Basically turns all of your offensive spells into healing spells as well, especially when paired with Bloodletting.

[wild cypress]

I would love if we could toggle off the way wands auto-lock. If I have a complaint about this game, that's probably it.

[runic zealot]

That was the intention

[gleaming musk]

I suppose I use wands infrequently enough to where it's not really an issue. They're far weaker than staves in most circumstances anyway

Also likely to whiff, as well as get you hit.

Usually I only use wands when cleaning or to add a bit of DPS against a single target when playing defensively. Neither case really has vials often, and even when there are vials the skulls like to break them ASAP anyway

[wild cypress]

Nezuki's wands are melting foes, but sometimes it's not always the foes I intended haha.

[normal steeple]

These split damage melee weapons Phys+Element kinda suck? cant get the to do near the damage of pure phys weapons

[gleaming musk]

Might be that they're getting filtered through both physical and magic defense

[opal prawn]

trying to decide if i want to nab enshrouded while it's on sale. is combat challenging & dynamic?

[fleet field]

really depends on your playstyle. Some players find combat too complex, some find it too simple. What are some games with combat that you like?

[opal prawn]

just looking for if it has depth. saw in videos it just looked like people were spammning the same thing over & over

[wild cypress]

Yes it has depth, unless the player is uncreative. I have lots of fun with it.

[fleet field]

Some builds are very button mash friendly for normal monsters. Minibosses and bosses it's tougher to button mash. There are also builds that require variety and timing, and they also tend to have higher possible dps.

I've only taken two recordings of greatswords but maybe it will help show a bit? Keli has a crazy dagger build with lots of variety.

(Apologies in advance for the players who have seen these two recordings already)

[bleak bluff]

lmao...

[flat gust]

Greatsword is very straightforwards and satysfying imo. Definitely the most confortable endgame build i got. I have a 2 handed melee (mostly gretasword) a wizard with almost full tank tree (the flashiest one imo) and an archer that i have tried to convert to daggers like 3 times because full bow bores me a little.

[hoary seal]

seems to be bugged shouldnt this either say 68 dmg or 20 blunt+28 ice

[cunning mural]

...that... actually yeah that might be bugged, bug-report that

[bleak bluff]

i prefer to axe

[hoary seal]

done

[bleak bluff]

is it really a player trap for a 2h build cuz i have like 100% damage taken increased on overpower?

casually hitting for 2k after enough parries

my specialized axe combos dont even do 1.5k after 3 hits

[sullen crater]

I hate the lock-on on any weapon, I almost never hit Tab.

[wild cypress]

It's great for being a dagger backstabber vs one foe but the rest of the time I prefer to aim for myself.

[bleak bluff]

same

i'd rather the wand just have a straight shooting projectile with no auto aim

[sullen crater]

Auto-aim is useful when you're also trying to dodge the enemies, particularly if you do so by jumping around, like I do. 😄

[wild cypress]

Jumpies are joy!

[sullen crater]

My Tomb Raider habits pay off here! 😄

Just jump around and shoot, they'll drop eventually! 😂

[spiral plinth]

Have they fixed the swing speed? I havent played the game in months, was super excited when greatswords came out, then they just sucked to use compared to axes/maces. I'm not opposed to sword being more 1 enemy focused vs the others being more AOE focused

[flat gust]

nah, i did fine. Its because it stuns. When the enemy is stunned its irrelevant

[bleak bluff]

it stuns? huh?

hmm

[flat gust]

yeah greatsword stops a lot of enemies, you dont get hit

[bleak bluff]

i'll keep that in mind

[flat gust]

@bleak bluffthe perk that makes u hit harder when the enemy is overwhelmed is decent imo

[sly spoke]

Is there a "best" for all round combat? Trying an archery build atm but keep having to get the sword and board out or wand and board out. Not a massive fan of 2 hand but wondered if there were better choices

[fleet field]

"Best" is more about what you personally like than a specific weapon build.

Right now I have 4 builds that I still adjust depending on the group

• 1h/shield primary, staff secondary - or group tank
• 2h primary, staff secondary - or support heal
• bow & dagger, ice focus
• wand & staff, fire/shock focus - or main heal

[sly spoke]

Well it's subjective im aware, im not much of a fighter really, so i went archer to stay back and stealth but I keep having to melee in certain instances.
So i wonder if maybe im playing it wrong way

[fleet field]

With bow or staff, even if you keep range and kite a lot, there will almost always be a time when some enemies get into melee range. For bow, that's when daggers can help, or using Bee Sting

Also I don't know if you're playing wrong. Lots of players do bow/sword builds. But stealth doesn't work very well in the game. It's not like in Cyberpunk where you can do sneaky kills without alerting the group of enemies.

[sly spoke]

Daggers and bow share stuff in the tree so might be worth focus on those 2

[sly spoke]

Yeah thats an issue hit one the rest come running

[fleet field]

Maybe they'll make sneak more powerful when the new combat update comes

[covert prism]

I am a wizard but somehow it doesnt feel like cause mostly i have to use the sword. There are no multiple magic spells i can use (only different "bolts" i can build) and im running out of mana kinda fast. Am i doing something wrong ?

[sly spoke]

I tried to sneak a lil bit cos the dng, but not getting it right to be sure

[fleet field]

How many skill points do you have right now?

[covert prism]

5

[covert prism]

all in wizard tree

[fleet field]

Oh! okay. Right now magic isn't very strong until mid-game. It's common to do magic/tank hybrid early on, especially for survival.

[covert prism]

ok thanks. i just read also some build guide: https://hacktheminotaur.com/enshrouded/ultimate-enshrouded-wizard-build/ it looks like even u do a specific class, the skills are kinda random from different areas of the skill tree. so the approach is very different to other games, where you stick to your class... am i right?

[fleet field]

Well, there's 184 total skill points, which lets you build into about 2.5 of the main skill colors

So like even if you main magic, it can be helpful to build all the way to Thick Skin for high base life, Ranger for base crit chance and endurance, and Survivor for stamina and mobility

[covert prism]

ok. thanks. will look into it 🙂

[fleet field]

Early game, I think it might be easiest to use staff spells to start a fight from far away, but then finish the fight with melee or wand, and have enough survival with some constitution and some melee defense armor. Mid game you should have much better mana regen, mana pool, aoe spells, and probably have found a decent multishot wand.

Then mid-late game you're stunlocking whole groups of enemies before they can get close to you

[slender scroll]

When is the great sword fix coming

[shell zephyr]

There's no fix needed, it's working as intended. They have acknowledged a large portion of the community are not in favor and have said changes are coming, though there is no time frame.

[slender scroll]

Lame. 😒

[delicate wave]

what is best battle mage build?

[flat gust]

idk if best but my mage with tank tree is pgood, you can also squeeze some tank armor in there

[runic zealot]

This is wat I was gonna do too! :0

[ripe rune]

Early-mid game is mostly wand usage, with occasional staff casting from afar
Also look for "mana leech" perk on a staff, its basically mandatory

[ripe rune]

Depends on how u define battlemage

Just tanky mage? Mage with a sword? Mainly wand user?

[flat gust]

with 10% mana drain i use almost no mana

i ditched all my mana perks

[runic zealot]

If ur going tanky battle mage and using primarily staff, I think either Battle Mania, Bloodlust, or Gem of Soul Reaping are your best options for ur Gem socket.

All three work really well with the Bloodletting + Fast Metabolism combo

All 3 add a ton of survivability.

And Add Magic Shield too ur arsenal as well if your want that extra boost of defense.. it also completely blocks projectiles that hit it.

[flat gust]

imo battle mania feels almost cheaty compared to others

[runic zealot]

BattleMania feels like what Pre-nerf Health Regen used to be like.

Maybe they added it specifically as a band-aid for those using regen build pre-nerf

[flat gust]

i started just before water update so i didnt experience that

[ripe rune]

Double mana leech? It has a significant dip in damage tho, iirc the only double mana leech staff has no dmg perks

[flat gust]

yeah its great for exploring and groups, im aware of low damage perks

[runic zealot]

Me neither, but I heard that HP regen is only a 5th of what it used to be prior

[flat gust]

u can always carry another staff focused on damage

[runic zealot]

Which is a massive nerf if u ask me-

[flat gust]

but lightning channel on a 10% staff feels infinite

and with stun perk its just easy mode on 1v1

[ripe rune]

i personally like gem of lesser necromancy to go full necromancer mode, but soul reaping and battlemania are probably more optimal

[runic zealot]

Specifically for a tank mage build yeah

[flat gust]

there is a staff with 5% mana drain and 5% hp drain, i have one. But its shroud damage

[ripe rune]

well i think all mages have tank tree now, coz theres not much left to invest in

[flat gust]

maybe it works well with corruption, havent tried that

[ripe rune]

but maybe ur also wearing tank clothes idk

[runic zealot]

I thought of that cause it has so much AoE potential to teigger it

[flat gust]

thats the other thing, u can ditch mana clothes with mana drain staff, and just use tank

[runic zealot]

I did think of doing Burning or the Storm Eye Gem with a lightning build.

Jus need fire bonus on staff and its gonna be good

[ripe rune]

i hate shroud damage, ~70% of the combat happens vs fell
but if u dont mind carrying another set of wand+staff for shroud, then its surely good

[flat gust]

burning is decent too, and if the staff has drain, it also drains on burn, so additional regens

[ripe rune]

nah burning is ass

too low numbers

[flat gust]

i carry a shroud and fire wand, its been enough so far

[ripe rune]

and too slow

huh

[flat gust]

yeah i have been revived like 3 times, you lose all buffs tho, i think

[runic zealot]

🫢

[flat gust]

at least rest bonus is lost

[runic zealot]

Unless u got that no buffs lost on death perk

In the survival tree

[ripe rune]

3 times in the entire journey is not a lot tho

[runic zealot]

DoT isn't used very often is likely why

[flat gust]

i didnt use burning for a long time tho

[ripe rune]

fair

[flat gust]

i switched to the skelly gem

and battle mania in between

[runic zealot]

Skelly bois?

[ripe rune]

but on lv50 its like... 60 extra dmg? thats laughable

[flat gust]

i have like 10 of those across my 3 chars

[runic zealot]

Burning?

[ripe rune]

yep

[runic zealot]

It ticks for 27dmg every second

But i guess it depends on their resistances

[flat gust]

it adds up, a well placed fireball plus mana drain heals a lot and keeps enemies visible on low visibility situations

[ripe rune]

yea and if a non-boss enemy is not dead in like 3 secs smth is probably wrong

81 extra dmg in 3 secs when 1 cast deals hundreds

ill pass

[flat gust]

i mean its decent, compared to other gems that are just useless

[ripe rune]

we just discussed some gems that are not useless tho

[runic zealot]

I think it actually ticks twice every second but i could be wrong

It jus feels faster than 1 tick a sec.

[misty sedge]

A damage bonus with no drawbacks cannot be anything but good

[flat gust]

also on the low damage aoe that stuns fell its very noticeable

[misty sedge]

It can be better than it is

But it isn't bad or useless

[flat gust]

i use that on the shroud critters, someone here hated that tho

[ripe rune]

not when it has a competition of: a squad of companions, or 2 gems with insane sustain

[misty sedge]

And those are good too

[flat gust]

you can use burning pmuch from the start and switch to another one later tho

[misty sedge]

Perhaps better than burning

[runic zealot]

If the alternatives outperform it then it can be bad. Though fire DoT is effective against Shroud enemies which is the most important thing. So those bugs can eat it.

[misty sedge]

That isn't true lol that just makes the alternatives better than good

[ripe rune]

well ofc if we speak early game then this comparison just make no sence

[misty sedge]

A drawback makes it bad

[flat gust]

when i wanna play meta builds i play monster hunter. This is my chill game

[runic zealot]

I love MH buildcrafting

[flat gust]

u hunter too?

[runic zealot]

It's got my favorite build making system of any game

Kind of.. but not really

[ripe rune]

thats just semantics
clearly we have been meaning "bad compared to other options"

[misty sedge]

It's worse than some options and better than others.

[ripe rune]

if theres 3 A-tier options and 10 C-tier options, the middle of C-tier options is still bad

[runic zealot]

Drawbacks also dont make something bad, in another game I play a skill lets u ignore all enemy defenses allowing for strong 1-shot builds.. but it had a drawback of -50% to all ur player defenses for 15 whole seconds. That skill is by far one of the strongest in that entire game.

Drawbacks do not equat to bad.

[ripe rune]

im not delving into this pointless semantic arguement anymore

[misty sedge]

I'm just saying I don't think "extra damage without a condition" is "ass" just because the numbers don't please you

[flat gust]

english is my 2nd languaje so i dont get all the nuances but, i just stated it was decent and usable. Never said it was best or A tier

we can all just talk about this stuff but there is a range of utility between best and worst

[runic zealot]

Well i personally didn't say it was "useless" but it loses it's effectiveness very quickly in high level areas.

[flat gust]

and also i didnt get to say that its only useable on aoe magic, because of the cooldown

in wands its just bad

[covert prism]

i have healer 2 skill etc. and it says i have extra power on healing spells.... but how can i use healing spells? where can i add them to use them

[runic zealot]

Sustainability is far more useful in a game that favors 3 hit deaths

[flat gust]

there are some healing spells, u very early game?

it also affects water aura regen

like, a lot

[misty sedge]

I find Burning very fine at level 50 for melee especially in big groups and in conjunction with the shockwave spell

[flat gust]

thats the aoe stun?

[misty sedge]

Yeah

[flat gust]

yeah i like it too

specially against those exploding assholes

[covert prism]

yes early. like level 7 or 8 i guess

[misty sedge]

I think the only gem I would slot over it for melee endgame is Agility

[flat gust]

@covert prismu very early, id recommend wand that early

unless u get a mana drain staff early game, i didnt tho

[covert prism]

i could upgrade my current staff to level 8 then it have mana drain

[flat gust]

also i recommend purple weapons early game, those dont need legendary runes

[covert prism]

but lets say i have the spells... where can i see the spells i have to use them

[runic zealot]

When u aim they pop up

And u can scroll thru em

But u hav to have the spells in ur inventory to use em.

[covert prism]

ok so i have to produce them first. similar to the fire balls. so a healing spell will also be gone and i have to produce it again ?

[misty sedge]

Yes, spells have "ammo" for lack of a better term

[covert prism]

ok got it. i understand now ^^

thanks guys. sorry for the dumb questions. im new in the game haha

[runic zealot]

Later on in the game u can aquire versions of the spells with infinite use though, so it won't be like this forever. dw

[bronze hollow]

There's actually lower level versions too

[runic zealot]

❔

[ripe rune]

i just realised battlemania gives 86 manaregen

[runic zealot]

It also gives 320hp regen

Which is rather insane since the highest bossible HP regen u can get without it is about 120ish

[ripe rune]

ok im gonna test that out now with all spirit points dropped

[runic zealot]

Combine the two and wear boots that reduce ur HP regen delay and you can sit comfortably at over 420 HP regen with a delay of only 0.05secs

You'll be healthy af

[proven breach]

So you are telling me this really rare and hard to find helmet after a bossfight is worse than the random wizards hat I found at the start of the area. Riiip

[bronze hollow]

New word incorporated into vocabulary....Bossible..

[runic zealot]

That rare helmet is actually just a random loot drop in the area

[bronze hollow]

nawt random

[dusty meteor]

No, guard of the north has specific locations

The other one though, yes, it's random

[proven breach]

Why is the guard of the north so bad stats though, I feel like it should have trumped all the stuff I had so far but its just worse?

[bronze hollow]

it's part of a set

[proven breach]

Does having the whole set on do something?

[runic zealot]

[bronze hollow]

no lol

[runic zealot]

This game has non-random loot?

That ISN'T building blocks or cosmetics?!

[dusty meteor]

A few things yeah

[bronze hollow]

yes

[fleet field]

+crit chance often maths out better than just +crit damage

[dusty meteor]

Really depends on your build

[ripe rune]

OK this battlemania stuff is actually insane lol

[proven breach]

This is true, but isnt the other level 13 helmet better stats wise?

[runic zealot]

Avrage crit chance is about 31% on most builds

So an increase of 20%, 33% of the time in actually an overall dmg increase of 6.667%

[fleet field]

At level 13 don't worry too much about min max optimizing tho

[proven breach]

true true

[runic zealot]

Crit chance gives a +5% chance to crit which is on average +50% dmg so thats an extra 5% dmg increase overall.

But crits trigger alot of skill effects so it's far better.

One of my favorite weapons in the game has all 5 perks as crit chance.

Unfortunately I only have it in blue rarity, and no one else in the entire community seems to have one.

[fleet field]

yeah, I think right now late game weapons have max 2 crit mods so +10%

[runic zealot]

There's some with crit + the water crit (whichs gives 10% crit vs wet enemies)

Those u can get +15%

But its so hard to make people wet in this game

[cunning mural]

water balloons and the portable water pump are supposedly usable in combat

[ripe rune]

if we speak about mages, crit chance is not about damage, its about procing all those effects like bloodletting, terror, chain hit, mass destruction, etc

Ok, this Battlemania gem was a revelation

Im pretty sure u dont even need mana leech anymore

[runic zealot]

That's what i would use before

[ripe rune]

But the best staff is pre-patch Crystalwater anyway, with 3 dmg perks and mana leech, so...

[runic zealot]

But using em on every enemy sucks especially cause they sometime don't even get the enemies wet

😭

[ripe rune]

Im pretty sure u should use them to wet urself and proc gem of currents against big bosses

With lightning crown, fire gloves and ritual tempest wand

[runic zealot]

They almost never proc on u

But yes thats normally what i do

[ripe rune]

Oh that sucks

Man i cant get over how invincible i felt using chain lightning with battlemania gem

[runic zealot]

The trick is to stand hear but not up against a wall and then throw it at the wall above ur head level

[runic zealot]

Try putting on boots that give u reduced HP regen delay

I could teach u another trick but it's have to be in DM's

[ripe rune]

Sure

Im down

But i dont really care about hp regen, when everyone around is stunned, its mostly mana to keep them stunned

[flat gust]

@proven breachthe gloves are decent at that point in the game

[runic zealot]

Approve my message request stinky butt

[proven breach]

Yeah the gloves are fire

chest was decent too

[west raptor]

Tank tree + heavy chest 🫡
After that is going to battle mage tree, etc

[trail magnet]

Hello guys, i love to play this game, i'm lvl 17 now and i play warrior + tank

I play with axe/sword one handed and shield, but i want to improve this set because i lost to much life in the Nomads land with the "Dog?"

Can you reco the best armor set and the right comp way ?

Thank you all 😉

[bleak bluff]

Ah yes the sabertooth

Have you tried parrying them

They hit hard but have low hp

Also try to not fight more than 1 at a time

[trail magnet]

Yeah this one ! I can't find the name 😄

[trail magnet]

I'm pretty nad with the parade 🙁

[trail magnet]

Yeah 2/3 hit and they die quckly

[bleak bluff]

Try shooting them before you fight them

[trail magnet]

Easy to say but hard, because they stun and and always by 2

[trail magnet]

Yeah i do thats but i'm bad in long range archery lol

[bleak bluff]

Mostly just be careful I guess and bring hp potions

[trail magnet]

What do you think ?

[bleak bluff]

Why u have pierce damage?

It looks ok but maybe someone else has better builds

[trail magnet]

Oh you right, i don't have change this when i take melle xeapon + shield.

I change that

[flat gust]

blunt is maybe s better investment as melee to reach the crit chance? perk

there a very few pure pierce weapons

[bronze hollow]

Works great with Vesztah's too

[floral radish]

Does someone has a clue if PvP duells may will come?

[wild cypress]

Nothing about pvp has been endorsed or suggested by devs.

[main mist]

Hi yesterday i just bought enshrouded, which items and builds its the best for start? For which thingd should i focus?

[silent ginkgo]

You can respec easily and cheap at your flame altar so don't fret about build and don't be afraid to try out different options.
That being said you should always try to get Double Jump and Updraft early (and in that order) as they make exploration and some puzzles a lot easier.

As for fighting style, as i said : experiment and see what works for you.

• Melee is perfectly viable but you might suffer when you face some "elite" mobs, such as those double green balde scavengers (you'll know when you face one) and bosses. Early on it's probably the easiest as most mobs will be relatively weak and you can just mash your mouse button until they fall. Later you'll need to learn to parry/dodge or respec.
• Archery is a great option if you're not against some good old chease (double-jump to some inaccessible high ground and boromirise them to death). Be careful that many enemies can jump quite high so inaccessible might be a little further than you think. You'll need to learn to aim but at least you'll be relatively safe. Archer isn't the best QoL class as you'll need to craft arrows all the time however.
• Magic can melt down packs of mobs at higher levels but tend to have a slow start. Go for a good wand if you want to use it right from the start. Wands are ranged but short range so you won't be able to be as safe as an archer but you can use a shield with you wand

You already have some high quality and level items for a level 5 character so you shouldn't have too much troubles.

[flat gust]

i just wanna add: go with purple weapons on lower lvls, cheap to upgrade. I dont touch gold weapons untill 20, and by then u can get the legendary runes easier. Crafting them is a scam

[main mist]

boromirise is bow? my aim is good i like bow , root staff and i like dps huge sword old people but aim with that is very hard, so what is the best roots bow for my which i have or i can get? which swords..

[warped viper]

What stats does heal scales to?

[wild cypress]

It's a spell, so Int, I'd wager, but happy to hear from others about this.

[warped viper]

I see. Thanks!

[wild cypress]

The only other two stats that affect your actions are Dex and Strength and I'm gonna comfortably presume it's not them. 😸

[silent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/boromir-arrows-lotr-lordoftherings-gif-8512686604746056681

I guess LOTR has a bit too many years for references to be immediately understood nowadays 😉 Yeah, that meant "turn the enemies into needle balls"
(can't post GIFs directly in this board ☹️ )

[silent ginkgo]

You mean the healing spell right? Cause natural healing purely scales of your food and gear.

[bleak bluff]

If heal spells then int

If potions then skills

[gleaming musk]

I said "kind-of". The damage is alright, but it locks you into an animation that has no i-frames. Not everything is about damage, my guy.

[gleaming musk]

Check out the guide in my bio. There are a variety of skills and weapon upgrades you'll want to manage your mana. Certain skills also make a major difference in magic combat. Wands are best used when playing defensively or for cleaning, but staffs are where the real power is at, especially if you use the right spells for the job and combo them into each other.

[gleaming musk]

You're very early on in the game. Magic doesn't pick up until mid-game. For now you'll want to focus on getting the skills Quick Charge, Double Jump, and Updraft. After that, aim for Terror, then Bloodlust and Good Metabolism.

As you adventure, keep an eye out for staffs that have Mana Leech. Getting it on wands is also nice to have, but not quite as good. Usually for wands you want damage and multi-projectile emphasis.

[gleaming musk]

Check the guide link in my bio. It maintains a focus on magic while keeping some tankiness. Wands and staffs are designed for different situations, and this build lets you flow between them naturally. At the very least it'll be a good starting point for your own build.

[gleaming musk]

The loss of a few points of damage is directly compensated for by the seamless sustain. That is, assuming you're comparing between staffs of the same tier

[gleaming musk]

Best use of burning is with a Health Leech weapon because of a bug that auto-resurrects you if you die while an enemy is burning

[gleaming musk]

Guessing you're thinking of me, and I didn't hate it. You just misunderstood me and reacted

[gleaming musk]

You'll both craft and find healing spells. All spells are used with a staff. Those perks (and healer gear that boosts healing power) also influence the Water Aura skill.

[gleaming musk]

Yes. Spells are treated as ammunition, however...||many spells have Eternal versions that are not consumed upon use|| but that's something that kicks in around mid-game.

[gleaming musk]

On top of triggering crit-based skills more often

[gleaming musk]

They are, but they only apply Soaked indirectly through first placing water blocks. So they're pretty unreliable atm

[ripe rune]

its not few points of damage tho, its 40%

as each dmg perk gives +20% to total spell dmg

[gleaming musk]

Nothing. You have to pick up thw first two Healer skills and wear Healer set Chest and Shoes if you want stronger healing spells.

Though healing spells are in a weird place atm and you're better off using offensive magic to indirectly heal. Check the guide in my bio and search the #healer-wizard tag in it.

[gleaming musk]

Yes, I'm aware. Mana sustain still takes priority for exactly the reason you discovered with Battle Mania.

I've yet to try that gem myself. It's on my to-do list. I suspect pairing it with Dessert Stomach and ||Candied Ginger|| by VWB would lessen the need for Mana Leech, if not outright remove it

[ripe rune]

and battlemania + 1 mana leech regens u to full between each cast that is not chain lightning

and for chain lightning u need to stop ever so briefly top get full

[gleaming musk]

Sure. Those aren't available until later in the game.

So until then, you need Mana Leech

Mana Leech is also necessary if you instead want to emphasize party support with Soul Reaping

[ripe rune]

well supporting is another story, ofc u dont need dmg there

lemme check if double mana leech keeps u full with channel lightning

if not - theres no point in comparing this sustain to battlemania

[gleaming musk]

Bottom-line is that regardless of your playstyle, mana sustain is more important than damage. The question becomes whether you can trade something else for extra damage

[gleaming musk]

You can. Or at the very least long enough to where evergthing would have been long dead, depending on your exact damage stats at the time.

And thats assuming you dont pick up any of your Bloodletting orbs

[ripe rune]

my stance is u still need damage and 1 mana leech perk is enough to keep u going
the more time takes u to tickle enemies to death with chain lightning the more time ur exposed to ambush attack from a new enemy

[gleaming musk]

Even with a 2x Mana Leech staff you can still easily bring anything in the game down lmao

[ripe rune]

and for high damage spells like chain lightning, fireball, etc, damage is a the difference between 2 and 3 casts, 3 and 4, etc

[gleaming musk]

Yes, I am aware of the concept of hits-to-kill.

[ripe rune]

and yes, standing for like 10 secs holding LMB to kill a pack of regular enemies without damage perks is simply unfun imo

[[gems]]

[versed salmon]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Gems

[gleaming musk]

Intelligence does not influence healing spells.

[ripe rune]

also battlemania is dropped by the green dude, so its like early-mid game

[gleaming musk]

Kindlewastes is mid-late-game.

[gleaming musk]

Sure. That's an opinion, and the trade-off you would make to suit your playstyle is to sacrifice something else for the additional damage. Mana sustain is mandatory regardless of your preference, which is my point, which I have clearly stated.

[gleaming musk]

Aside from the fact that Kindlewastes is in the latter half of the game, the point in progression at which it can fully substitute for Mana Leech is another matter entirely. Figuring that out is also on my to-do list. Guessing I'll need to simulate the tiers to accurately make that determination

[ripe rune]

ah it differs from region to region my bad

[gleaming musk]

Np. Tbc, I am hopeful about Battle Mania, and your finding of the regen being actually worthwhile was great to hear

[ripe rune]

yes and what im trying to get across is that u get enough mana sustain with 1 mana leech for every use case other that lightning channel into one enemy

and if ur not a lightning channel onetrick one mana leech + damage is more optimal due to hits-to-kill

what really messes all this conversation up is the current landscape of lategame staffs (not sure how it is for earlies stages, but i would assume they are the same with lower numbers)

where theres no good staff with 1 mana leech perk

the one im referring to, and using, is pre-patch Crystalwater, that we cant get now

[gleaming musk]

I know. Re-read my messages.

It seems you are fundamentally misunderstanding me.

[ripe rune]

i dont think so, i think we are just putting different value into being full mana in those not-so-common cases when 1 mana leech is not enough

but until the new patch it doesnt matter because we dont have good 1 leech staves now

[gleaming musk]

No, you definitely are. You mistakenly believe I think 2x Mana Leech is the only way to go.

[ripe rune]

no, i dont believe so, im just talking about weapon selection specifically

but i believe u think always being full mana is the the only way to go

because otherwise u wouldnt use the word "sacrifice"

[gleaming musk]

And that is precisely what I'm saying you're mistaken on.

All I have argued is that mana sustain is essential. Going exclusively for big numbers is untenable outside of boss fights where you specifically stockpile potions.

For the vast majority of the game, 2x Mana Leech is a straightforward fit that solves this, while also leaving the gem slot free. So, conventional advice is to go this route regardless of what tier you're at.

However, I am writing an objective guide and to that end am exploring every other available option, so it has advice for each common player preference. The fact that you've found Battle Mania to be able to replace even one Mana Leech node is great news -- it means there's potential for a more offensive build route.

And the only reason I even mentioned this to begin with is it's an extremely common buildcraft pitfall to chase damage numbers at the expense of practicality.

In actual fact, the only reason any arguing was done at all here is because you mistakenly assumed I was opposing your preference.

[ripe rune]

"is essential" is a very vague statement to call it an arguement. i never said its "not essential" either lol
if u dont think u must be always full mana, then idk, "re-read my messages". all i can is repeat myself.
its not about preference.
im tired of this conversation

try battlemania with no mana leech btw (with boots that cut mana regen delay)

[delicate wave]

ty

what level 50 staff is the best for lightning dmg

[runic zealot]

This does show that the game has some flexibility

[gleaming musk]

Pointing out that mana sustain is essential is not vague in the slightest. If it is to you, then pick up a dictionary. It also wasn't intended to be an argument in the first place, per my previous statements that I have reiterated multiple times now.

If after all of my attempts to emphasize how I'm not trying to argue against you in any way still haven't gotten through, then that's entirely on you and I see no point in wasting more energy on this.

Thanks for sharing your findings concerning the Gem of ||Battle Mania||.

[gleaming musk]

I'd guess ||Violet Storm|| with Gem of ||Currents|| would be your best option for pure shock damage, though you will have to rely on your wands and Bloodlust for Mana sustain, which will harm your spellcasting uptime. By extension, this will harm Bloodlust, though the bonus crit rate will offset this some. Going with Gem of ||Battle Mania|| would lessen the reliance on wands/orbs at the cost of reduced damage, though you could use one of the gems on a wand and the other on your staff.

Secondary options would be ||Mirage|| for its Backstab emphasis or ||Staff of Guidance|| for Crit Damage emphasis. They both have the same concerns regarding gems as ||Violet Storm||.

If you want to take full advantage of Gem of ||Currents|| but don't want to worry about Mana, then you'll want a 2x Mana Leech staff like ||Oracle's Everblue||.

[runic zealot]

"I'm gonna use my last Fourth level slot to cast fireball in this small room to take care of the rat problem"

[bleak bluff]

Big chop woooo

And I get 30% max hp heal

Wurf

[fleet field]

omg I totally do this with rats. Cast fireball at the floor or wall right next to me for the blast radius.

[bleak bluff]

A common tactic in this game for sure

Wish the devs would improve on merciless attacks ngl

Needs better everything

Targeting is whack rn, animation lock also bad unless they give us iframes

[gleaming musk]

Also can't be used with wands atm, which is annoying. Same for Sneak Attack.

[pulsar fractal]

A dedicated necromancer skill tree would be so fun!

[runic zealot]

It's crazy theirs a gem to let u summon skulls for necromancer builds

But they locked it behind melee so u cant even use it for a necromancer build

Only triggers on Merciless strike kills

[lament shard]

Mages have the Necromancy skill.

[runic zealot]

Ok so Mages with the only necromancer skill arent allowed to have the other mecromancer tools?

Makes sense too me

At least they can use the greater skull gem tho.

Still so dumb that they gated the lesser skull gem to melee tho

[lament shard]

It's sharing the fun. Also skill + gem runs the risk of getting oppressive

Where as skulls are just ment to be fun little buddies

[cunning mural]

what do you mean? I was able to put it on my wand

[runic zealot]

Oh heck, I guess I am wrong u.u

[cunning mural]

I love mercilessly attacking enemies with my wand

[runic zealot]

Fr fr uwu