other-games

[soft cairn]

im only asking cuz i was like, another glitch i got 😐

and coal still 50 😭

while im here it should be wood or was i mistaken from the start ?

[finite saffron]

I don't remember that piece very well, if you craft it does it look very "woody"?

[soft cairn]

yea and it use table saw while other stone stuff use carpenter tools

im not 100 % sure but it should be hardwood

[gaunt nebula]

I'd think it would use wood

[finite saffron]

Yeah I brought it up with the team to see what they think :) It does seem odd

[gaunt nebula]

I hope they don't mess it up

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/-7DWtU-qpzo?si=jP5yZTuxlkTfAJeP

[tepid wadi]

I think people remember Oblivion through nostalgia glasses. A lot of the mechanics in those old systems would feel like garbo today

[peak marsh]

Like bunny hopping everywhere to raise athleticism xD

[tepid wadi]

Or automatic enemy scaling, so if you leveled up via stealth you couldnt kill anything in actual fights 😝

Setting your "main" skills to things you had no intention of using so you'd never level up and the game would be super easy

[peak marsh]

It's kinda funny, but frankly the best approach would be to effectively make a really well produced Skyrim mod xD

[peak marsh]

Which kind of begs the question: since we already have Oblivion Skyrim mods what can they really do to an Oblivion remake to make it worth experiencing for someone wanting that nostalgia hit, vs playing a Skyrim Oblivion mod or one of the many, many fan remasters?

Like, I bet you can make Oblivion look pretty great if you spend some time on Nexus

Side note, I'm absolutely dead if they have the horse armor DLC available on day 1 xD

[junior stump]

hmmm, can you join other worlds and players just like in enshrouded? Or you need to start from the scratch every world?

[soft cairn]

its more like about good times not exactly what did u play 😛

[junior stump]

Character progression goes across worlds. You keep your levels if you join a friend’s world after playing on a solo world. Or you can choose to start a new character for that world

yeah, its Enshrouded 2.0

[cedar cape]

anyone hosting a mc server ?

[peak marsh]

It's that until someone starts charging money for it xD

[timber prism]

Runescape is very early access. You don't even get progression on magic and ranged yet

In case anyone was looking into it

[peak marsh]

Soon as someone wants $60+ yes, it's very much about what was/is being played xD

Especially when you realize that Bethesda has re-released their old games significantly more than they've released new ones. Like, how many times in the last 20ish years have they charged money for the same 2 or 3 games?

[timber prism]

Its trending in the industry

Look at Last of Us

[soft cairn]

after season 2 episode 1 i got PTSD

Please Throw Shit Down

[timber prism]

Oh. I haven't seen s2 at all yet

I can wait. I played the game XD

[soft cairn]

if u like WOKE stuff then its for you 😄

[timber prism]

I am pro woke yes that is good

[peak marsh]

I still haven't played The Last of Us. The premise seems good

[soft cairn]

well i did play little bit of first one, the second only saw the gameplay and well not interested in this kind of plot

[peak marsh]

Meanwhile from what I'm seeing Runescape: Dragonwilds looks like very, very early days

Like, really rough for a studio with the kind of resources Jagex has to work with

Especially so for $30, but also I'm not really big into Runescape

Multiplayer is only a max of 4 players and everything seems very rudimentary

Between the building and the progression system it's very similar to Valheim. Looks to have a structural integrity system and skills progress by doing them much as in Valheim (or Runescape)

[soft cairn]

what about the buildings got the same height limits ?

[peak marsh]

Yeah, like in Valheim it seems like you have a structural system where as you build up pieces go from green to yellow to red and then collapse

Watching just some raw gameplay right now

They have a couple interesting spell ideas. For example, one spell makes your camera float above you while building so you don't have to climb around, another one lets you throw your felling axe and it spins to cut down trees faster, etc

It also seems to lean hard into the survival mechanics, like needing food and water to stay alive and even includes sleep in that. Like eventually your character will get drowsy and do things more slowly until you sleep

[soft cairn]

to not make people play 24/7 😄

nice mobs spawn next to you 😄

too much resemble for me valheim

[timber prism]

I recommend the game for sure. Concerning my original comment.. they have a "complete" version out or will be out that has both games in one package XD

[peak marsh]

If that comes to PC that might be how I check it out depending on pricing

[timber prism]

I played them on PS tho so no idea how the experience is on PC

I am happy though bc River City Girls 2 seemed to finally go on sale after years of me wishlisting it so I can finally play it

[peak marsh]

I hear those games are supposed to be really good and fairly faithful to the Kunio Kun series

Though it's hard to call Kunio Kun a series when there are so many spinoffs (Double Dragon, Renegade) and side games (Super Dodge Ball, that one track & field game)

[timber prism]

Yeah. I grew up with RCR so been a fan for a while!

I enjoyed the first one and been patiently waiting for this to get a pc sale haha

I remember playing DD and DD2 a lot as a kid

[peak marsh]

Same, Double Dragon 1 & 2 (we don't talk about 3 ) and RCR were some of my favorites

Personally I've been waiting for Streets of Rage 4 to hit a sale. I hear that one is supposed to be great

But also from what I've seen RCG looks like a really fun couple of games

Actually I might just put those in my library this weekend. Or at least one of them

Considering they're half off

[timber prism]

Its really good. I think my fav is still SoR2 but it comes close to being better

[peak marsh]

I mean, SoR2 was a masterclass so it's hard to top that but I've heard it's right up there

Also, one of the best soundtracks on a cartridge

[timber prism]

Yeah. Its amazing

Probably my favorite beat em up on console

My personal nostalgic favs are x-men, turtles in time, and the Simpsons

[peak marsh]

Yeah, all those are great xD I also have a soft spot for Captain America and the Avengers

[timber prism]

All I think i remember from that was Hawkeye???

[peak marsh]

xD Yeah it was him, Iron Man, Vision, and Cap, though they all basically played the same. It wasn't amazing but it's one of those nostalgic things, especially some of the voices

Like as a beat em up it's pretty basic though they do mix it up a little bit, but like there's not much variety in attacks or enemies, it's just one of those I remember as a kid that stuck with me xD

As the early Marvel arcades go X Men was definitely better

[timber prism]

I'll have to try and play it when I see it!

[livid bramble]

How does this game stack up with Valheim? I know the answers are bound to be biased but it’s helpful

[soft cairn]

u dont have the building limits like valheim, diffrent graphic, more rpg than survival vibe

its quite easier on basic settings if u read what its written in tips 😄

[short sail]

Building 9/10 (will improve)
Battling 4/10 could use more and will come next
Ambient/environment 9/10
Trolls 0/10
And for a EA game polished 8/10

[soft cairn]

overall i would say these games are 2 different things and got some shiny points, each one of them require some love.

[livid bramble]

I might finish Valheim first before I buy it

Because I haven’t yet

[short sail]

Good choice

But also I'd wait for the next - will happen soon - Update to come for Enshrouded too. The Shroud being more fun is more fun overall.

[soft cairn]

make sure to finish one first then u will get better start at Enshrouded atleast basic knowledge about mechanics

and later u can get it on steam sale 🙂

[short sail]

But these happen random to make you feel more like a discount hunter.

[soft cairn]

summer is coming soon 😄

[peak marsh]

Both are quality experiences, and also very different experiences. I'd suggest pulling up a review or two on YT

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo1PQBkdOrk

[vague galleon]

no colored hair. 0/10

gotta have that runite hair!

[peak marsh]

Idk, I just need to see more everything before I jump in. It just seems really bare bones to be asking Enshrouded/Valheim/V-Rising money

From a studio with more resources than any of those had when they launched

[tepid wadi]

My buddies and I picked it up last night. I'm excited for the next Enshrouded update

[peak marsh]

Is that the review? xD

[vague galleon]

I'll buy it eventually.

but ya, I should dig up all my old survival games from a decade ago and see if any of them are not garbage.

[peak marsh]

I mean, we're so rich in releases in survival games over the last 5 years that I feel like the only reason to buy Dragonwilds as it is now is because you're a really hardcore OSRS fan

It also begs the question of how far is Jagex going to support it. It won't bring in close to as much money as Runescape, even fully realized, so are they going to stick with it?

[vague galleon]

you know, as someone who started roughly year 1 of classic, you couldn't pay me to play OSRS, RS3 all the way.
still no 99 skill btw.

[peak marsh]

Like, they're making it with an offshoot dev group as a side project, are they really going to support it even to the level say Enshrouded has so far, or that V-Rising has and is?

[vague galleon]

only time will tell.

I give it a maybe.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's just why I feel like I need to see a lot more before I put any money down

[vague galleon]

Planet Nomads, 2019, looks hecking generic, mixed reviews, no longer available.

Novus Inceptio, 2015, last updated 2 years ago (thats a shock!), I think this is the one I played once, 1.9 hours on record. 20 bucks.

[peak marsh]

Oof

[vague galleon]

2015, hmmm, seems too recent but............... no i did say 10 years ago. @_@ time is all muddled up. ya.
GRAV is another one. 2015, mixed reviews, not in early access anymore.

i think grav is one that looked fun and silly but i struggled with and quite after.....

[peak marsh]

There were a lot of survivals between 2015 and 2020 that never quite panned out

[vague galleon]

1.4 hours.

savage lands, 2021? hmmm thats devinitely wrong. it's on it's third owner i think

a lot of these are sci-fi.

and all looks so generic.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, there was a lot of very same-y Unity slop

They can't all be The Forest

[vague galleon]

ya, that was a horror one right? i passed on nearly all of those.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, horror but the survival elements and the enemy AI were fantastic

And the graphics are so dated by this point that the shock value is pretty much gone these days xD

[vague galleon]

Crea was a terraria like one I really wanted to get into. wow. 23.2 hours.
but man, that first boss was impossible and my friends at the time werent super onboard.

[peak marsh]

Savage Lands was one for me. Tried with a friend of mine because the premise was cool, ended up at 10.7 hours xD

[vague galleon]

im debating if I want to try novus inceptio and grav again or not.
just got a few new switch games and etc.
maybe novus inceptio.
im just morbidly curious is all.

Savage Lands had the THE LOOK but progression was kind of ass and the building was dumb

it needed a lot more.

if I had the funds to be a publisher I'd absolutely pick it up and give it another chance lol

i have apperently, according to steam store tags, 130 games labeled as survival, and 23 labeled as Open World Survival Craft
many of "survival" should probably not have that tag, I mean, counterstrike? really? i get it but, no.

im looking through these lists and man, i swear there was one more generic looking one that I had.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/431650/Phoning_Home/

[peak marsh]

I've seen so many generic survivals in that 2015-2020 span that they all blur together xD

[vague galleon]

ya.

and then there's enshrouded. 💖

[frank sonnet]

and theirs only a small handful of notable survival games in general

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it's always been kind of a niche genre, it's actually kind of weird how popular they got around 2020

I mean, I'm grateful, the genre got some quality titles it sorely needed, but the most successful have been the ones that did a mix of genres and didn't go full survival

Pre-2020 it was games like The Forest or Green Hell, and post 2020 it's the games like Valheim and the Enshrouded

That mix RPG/adventure elements

Though TBF survival elements compliment RPGs really well. Kind of a "you got chocolate in my peanut butter" situation

[tepid wadi]

Yep. I don't want to rag on the game, but it didn't really hook me and doesn't feel like it enhances the genre in meaningful ways 🤷‍♀️

[peak marsh]

Oh sure, it's way too early to beat it up, it just makes me wonder why they launched so clearly early

At a $30 price tag no less

[vague galleon]

1. has it been niche? really? does minecraft mean nothing to you?
2. I know exactly why it got popular in 2020.

[peak marsh]

I'd call Minecraft a statistical outlier

[tepid wadi]

I think they said some thing about evolving the game off community feedback and that's one of the reasons they launched earlier than most might

[peak marsh]

And yeah, pandemic from a consumer standpoint, but a lot of survivals went into development before the pandemic in order for so many to come out in that span

[tepid wadi]

Tagline for last year, heh

[frank sonnet]

Minecraft is ultra simplistic in its survival elements

[vague galleon]

and insanely popular.

[peak marsh]

I mean, it's hard to argue that Minecraft became popular because it's a survival. I feel like it's a little bit of that and a whole lot of it being a sandbox creativity platform

Like, the fact that it has survival elements is kinda secondary

[frank sonnet]

that and youtubers

[peak marsh]

I mean, I feel like at very least they could have waited until the building was a little more fleshed out and all of the main combat styles were added like magic and archery. I'm not sure how much feedback that needs xD

"Add magic" 'Okay'

xD

[vague galleon]

well, enshrouded isnt exactly "survival" then either. it has less of it unless you flick a setting, much like new vegas.

[peak marsh]

I've more or less been beating that drum for over a year xD It's an adventure game with RPG, crafting and building elements

It's just the survival tag is Steam shorthand for "you build stuff"

"You build stuff and there's food maybe"

[vague galleon]

build stuff and "explore"!

gotta build all your own stuff too! that's a big part of it, not just a hunger meater.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, a lot of games tried to cash in on the survival genre by just adding hunger and thirst meters

Just adding nag timers isn't engaging gameplay xD

[vague galleon]

i hate that shit.

another point for enshrouded!

[zinc atlas]

https://helixgame.com/?referralCode=of1rxvq&refSource=copy

[peak marsh]

I don't mind it in some games when it's done well, but in others it just becomes a hypoglycemia simulator, gotta have a snack every 30 minutes

True story, I used to work with someone who had hypoglycemia, she had to carry a big bag full of snacks to work every day

[vague galleon]

I always keep protien bars and stuff in my toolbox at work but i just get hungry is all.

but ya. all this "realism" shit. lol like, come on, a pickaxe would last for YEARS not a sunday afternoon!

[peak marsh]

Lots of pretty footage but no coverage or information I can find on a quick glance that predates 6 days ago for as good as the footage looks. Going to need to see a lot more, especially if they're handing out referral codes for coverage

Also giving "exclusive never before seen" footage to small scale Youtubers, that sets off some warning bells

All from a studio I've never heard of

With "25+" employees, like the scope, scale, and some of the footage shown is giving me hard "The Day Before" vibes

Or Paradise, if anyone remembers that one xD

[round beacon]

Aye. That one screams Scam so hard, its not even funny

[tepid wadi]

Asset flip slop scams are unfortunately gonna become a lot more common

[round beacon]

Sad people are this gullible these days though. i mean cmon... you dont even have to watch that thing for longer than 10 seconds to have EVERYalarmbell ringin^^

[peak marsh]

I mean, the link included a referral code so that's another alarm bell right there

But yeah, any time something starts with "forget about GTA 6" my hackles are up

[round beacon]

I mean honestly, im also kinda fearing for GTA 6, but thats an entirely different story and reason^^

[peak marsh]

They have something like 4,000 developers but your plucky studio of "25+" employees is going to one-up them? (the 25+ is an actual quote from the developer's website)

[round beacon]

truth to be told, i wouldnt even need to look at those additional facts about it.
that video alone shows me literaly everything there is to know about that "thing" even without the GTA plug

[peak marsh]

25ish employees spread across 10ish countries with 11m in startup. That's not going to make Rockstar lose any sleep xD

[round beacon]

its just some absolutely horrendous slapped together renderslopfest most likely mostly AI generated.

[peak marsh]

Also, why is the go-to for these kinds of scams always "shiny cars". 'Nah bro, put in some shiny cars, they'll buy it'

[round beacon]

ofc not. even though i have my suspicions they gonna drive their next installement into the sand aswell

[peak marsh]

I mean, GTA6 will succeed purely because of everything it's following. The series could fail afterward but even at $100+ (sigh) it's going to do fine

[round beacon]

might. might not. dont forget theres still the predecessor. which, if that new one "stinks'" people gonna stick to. and bash on the new one. sure. its not gonna flop like others, but for rockstar and GTA standarts? lets just call it a notion.

[peak marsh]

IDK, casual gamers who don't follow gaming press and just buy the games they like will probably show out in droves regardless. Worked for AC Shadows

[round beacon]

oh jeah. like i said. not entirely a flop.

[vague galleon]

is it because of what happened with how well shark cards did? because im right there with you then.

i really hope I can afford to build a new PC in 26-27........

[round beacon]

nah. more like their entire change of stance towards certain topics that made the older installements what they are. wouldnt want to go much deeper because this then only spirals into a controversial debate. at the end of the day.... we`ll see

[vague galleon]

i might get what you mean.

[peak marsh]

Just another side note/nitpick, the developer site for that scam game says "25+ employees". It doesn't say developers, it says employees. Are we counting the janitor and the landscapers?

[vague galleon]

but the over monitozation of online that got worse and worse and worse plus the abandoned single player DLC makes have zero faith it wont be an utter freaking grindfest.

im only even remotely interested because vice city was kinda sorta neat.

[peak marsh]

I'm not because of how bloated GTA 5 was and the fact that they really included an actual factual real money in game casino

[round beacon]

vice city was awesome. most of them where. but what made them great - or rather appealing to its broad audience was the ridiculousness, the not shying away from beein over the top and so on. you get what i mean

[vague galleon]

ehh, sorta? they really limited that whole thing.

the freaking flying bikes were too much. absolute troll tools.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, being over the top is what made some of the early Saints Row games great. It was a boring knock-off when they tried to be "serious", but as soon as they gave you the ability to put on a mascot costume and beat someone with a giant purple... ahem... marital aid, it became great

[vague galleon]

lol true, but i only ever got into 4. thought the superhero stuff was great, why would I ever play gta, and then. cars.....

the added of layer of being a customized dude in a customized car, to be able to walk around in my garage, etc.

[peak marsh]

Saints Row The Third was a pretty great time

[vague galleon]

i heard it was pretty good. only played a few hours.

i never finished sleeping dogs

[peak marsh]

They need to make more open world games like that, or Crackdown or Infamous

[vague galleon]

ya

i wonder how good the mercenary games rated. i had the ps2 one of M2, it was, okay.

i never played much just cause. :S which is probably better.

[peak marsh]

Just Cause got really same-y after a while. Like the first one was pretty amazing, the second one was basically the first one with a few upgrades, and after that it feels like they ran out of new ideas

[vague galleon]

2 was probably the best one.

[tepid wadi]

Oh man, the first couple crackdown games were amazing

[peak marsh]

Crackdown 1 and 2 are still among my all time favorite open world games xD

[tepid wadi]

We need more "freedom to affect the world" games like that. Like Red Faction Guerilla

[peak marsh]

Red Faction was another great one

[vague galleon]

my biggest desire for a console game to make it to steam is probably Resistance Fall of Man

i played quite a bif of RF1 until I got bored, couldnt focus on, 3? the good one?

theres a handful of games I wish I had stuck with the first go around.

[tepid wadi]

Bloodborne

[vague galleon]

no.

oh, i should play... frick what was it.

it was the robot arms one

[peak marsh]

Robot arms?

[vague galleon]

i just want ONE dark souls clone thats not grotesque

not that id' make it far. i am FRIGGING TRASH

[peak marsh]

Asterigos: Curse of the Stars

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1731070/Asterigos_Curse_of_the_Stars/

Steam

Asterigos: Curse of the Stars

Discover the long-forgotten secrets and hidden paths in this high fantasy world, featuring exhilarating battle encounters, interconnected maps full of places to explore, and an immersive story where every choice matters. Play as Hilda – a brave young warrior from the Northwind Legion who embarks on a journey to the cursed city in order to save…

Price

$34.99

Recommendations

2283

▶ Play video

[vague galleon]

eehhhhhhhhh maybe

its on my wishlist.

[tepid wadi]

Enshrouded

no wait

[peak marsh]

It's pretty good and has a unique weapon system

[tepid wadi]

The Surge and Surge 2 are both pretty good

[vague galleon]

there was..... that one ubisoft game like BOTW, i got it on switch and they STILL demand ubisoft logiN!!!!!!!!!!!

THE SURGE! THATS THE ONE I MEANT

[peak marsh]

The Surge was pretty decent. Wouldn't call it amazing, but it was a decent time

[vague galleon]

I KNEW IT WAS AN S WORD

i own 1 and 2.

[peak marsh]

You mean Immortals: Fenyx Rising?

[vague galleon]

that one ya

i thought maybe if i got it on the switch i could dodge uplay, nope, get wrekt

im sick of uplay never remembering my password

[peak marsh]

That game was pretty decent TBH. You don't need the Ubi login afaik it just gives you like daily rewards etc. Which I find offputting for a single player game but the game itself was well done

[vague galleon]

it wouldnt let me play the game without it.............

[peak marsh]

I'm pretty sure I played it on my Switch and I don't have UPlay

[vague galleon]

i wonder if i want to try and finish farcry6

oh yes. checking for additional content on a game that hasnt had an update in years

[peak marsh]

Yep, there it is. Couldn't remember if it was Switch or Steam

[vague galleon]

this bullshit

[peak marsh]

Wow. I don't remember that and I'm pretty sure I don't have an Ubi account. I wonder if they added that or something

[peak marsh]

Yeah, mine has a "maybe later" option

[vague galleon]

😡

[peak marsh]

Dunno why it says "welcome back" when I never had it in the first place xD

[short sail]

Gaslighting.

[tepid wadi]

Definitely could have been better, but for its time it was pretty solid. I like a lot of the concepts that it came up with.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it had some good ideas, like the whole salvaging enemy parts thing

[peak marsh]

Knowing Ubi I wouldn't at all be surprised xD

[round beacon]

Oh its not just Ubi - sweeet sweet Customer Data - companys pay a hefty penny for that stuff

[peak marsh]

Oh sure, that, I just meant I wouldn't be shocked if they included gaslighting as a marketing tactic xD

[round beacon]

wdym if? o.O

[short sail]

I am pretty sure at this point it's part of the business

[vague galleon]

this game has no mohawks. lame. well, at least i can have my blue hair!

[peak marsh]

Which one, Immortals?

[vague galleon]

ya

whoa i jump high!

[peak marsh]

Wait, I noticed your popup says "In order to play Immortals: Fenyx Rising online" etc etc. Maybe I don't have to because I don't have Switch Online? (I only had it for Monster Hunter Rise and stopped paying for it when I was done playing)

I wonder if it would let you skip if you just turned off your Switch WiFi first

[vague galleon]

maybe, but im not turning it off. lol

what is with this trigger button combat?! 😮

[vague galleon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3512600/Last_Epoch__Woven_Legend_Supporter_Pack/

Steam

Last Epoch - Woven Legend Supporter Pack

Woven Legend

"Step into the web of destiny with the threads of the Weaver herself. The Woven Legend supporter pack is the ultimate expression of devotion to the Woven, offering unparalleled cosmetic enhancements steeped in the mystique of the Weaver’s dark and enigmatic power. From the ethereal Shroud of the Woven Disciple to the mesmerizing…

Price

$59.99

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wtf is this shit. 60 dollar cosmetic pack?!

i wish I had refunded this game when I had the chance.

$369.88 Add all DLC to Cart
bruh.

[gaunt nebula]

They just love bleeding our wallets with over priced cosmetics

[vague galleon]

this is wow levels of bad.

last i played the game was a janky mess with a very shiny coat.

mechanically poor, graphically rich.

[tepid wadi]

It's a supporter pack, they're all like that? It's extra content that you don't need to buy for any reason

I'm not sure there's a better way that ARPGs get monetized, at least LE's are way cheaper than POE's, heh.

[timber prism]

Meanwhile... I completely bought out the latest POE2 mystery box XD

I love all their cosmetics

[timber prism]

The new update supposedly adds a lot tomorrow to endgame so i'll be checking it out 100%

[vague galleon]

end game means nothing to me in an arpg. its not the destination its the journey.

I "plan" on giving it another try eventually but the janky combat, the bad loot system, and spawning waaaaay back at the far end of the base everytime you logged in really didnt help my interest in the game.
pair that with buyimg it alongside enshrouded and the game didnt stamd a chance.

[vague galleon]

you could say the same about any other genre of video game.

[tepid wadi]

🤷‍♀️ It doesn't really bother me because it's just cosmetics, there's no power involved.

[tepid wadi]

Same, I'm pretty excited for it

[peak marsh]

I mean, on some level it's better than that because it doesn't affect the regular game cosmetics ie; you still have cool looking weapons and armor as normal progression. It's just after effects like footsteps and glows and wings etc

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, and I'd love to have games without MTX in them, as we've discussed many times. But games, especially games as a service, are businesses as well so I understand why they do it. At least they're doing it in the most "consumer friendly" methodology anyone has figured out so far.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, and again offering cosmetics without hampering the visual progression of the regular game. Like, they aren't doing that thing where your character barely changes/doesn't change at all so they can sell cosmetics then say "but they're just cosmetic!"

They aren't hamstringing the regular visual progression, which really is an important part of "feeling" your character's progress

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, and some of their base gear looks totally rad

[round beacon]

To be fair, warframe also has a pretty solid monetization model goin thats loved by their audience.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, Warframe is decent too

[reef bobcat]

its more than Enshrauded .. i mean at least there is body-s of water

and we love all building next to water

i got it and i love it .. yes there is couple of staff missing but enshrauded has more than a year ahead of it game

[round beacon]

Fair enough but you do realize they are build on entirely different types of engine?
Not shitting on the game. if you like it. you like it and thats totaly fair. aint like one can only have one dish when there so much to choose from.
i also hope it will get good. it has potential even though currently leaning a bit to much on the name alone. well see where it goes

[short sail]

Ain't that also completly different systems? Like, Enshrouded does use voxel, whats the other using?

Also water would be the weakest argument that would sell me honestly

[reef bobcat]

i do know the enshrauded is build on their own engine and? What that does have with anyone none force them to do it ... they willingly did it and now they are trying to figuring the way do something that many people want 😄
And based on the road map of Dragonwild it looks pretty neat and secure to say that is gonna be wild!
I do like Enshrauded and having blast in it but the game is just not giving anything to do unless you wanna build and build all the time ... cause once you finish story and all quests only thing what is left is bulding and building which at some points get even more boring

[round beacon]

Its a deadbeat argument to begin with. so it has water hence its "more"?
Again. they can both exist in their own right. but sayin "its more" is just ignorant

[reef bobcat]

and that is your opinion

[round beacon]

No thats not an opinion thats a simple fact 😅

its more to you? fair enough. That is an opinion.

[reef bobcat]

really i like that your fact is stupid

[round beacon]

but its more in general? thats simply untrue

[reef bobcat]

w/e i like that your opinion is a fact and my is not

[round beacon]

its not my opinion.

anyway. you already disqualified urself by grabbin for insults within a mutual conversation. sad. but eh. is what it is.

[hollow barn]

Do you insult everyone that doesn't agree with you opinions?

[round beacon]

the funny thing is - i partly do agree, even if their wording is off.
at the end of the day i couldnt care less which game is better, i dont CARE about a name brand, i dont have a certain company affinity, all i could and always will care for is the customer - ME.
if WE as the customers get great product? nice. if we get TWO good product? even nicer!^^

[hollow barn]

From the review it seems way less polished then Enshrouded at the launch

[round beacon]

it is. doesnt mean it cant get somewhere nice. but as i stated earlyer, it gives somewhat of the vibe of hiding to much behind the name.
it already has a bunch of established lore and worldbuilding to back it up and so on, which enshrouded didnt. its using an engine thats known how to work with, instead of creating an entirely new one (wich yes, happened by choise) and so on and so on. it heavyly borrows from other franchises/games like valheim, like enshrouded, like conan and so on - wich again isnt a bad thing, if done right.
And IF it succeeds, that will be a cool thing, because it offers us,t he customers another option. and more GOOD options is always nice. it simply doesnt realy look like it at the moment. its "the new shiny toy in the bag" and so, ofc everyone is jumpin at it, its coverage is currently through the roof, because every content creator chan wants a piece of the hype pie ofc, wich in return will ofc result in some kind of fancult around it that will either hate on it OR defend it for all the wrong reasons.

[hollow barn]

It could be a quite nice game if they work on basically all the systems

[round beacon]

indeed. and i actualy root for that. because why not? aint like there can "only be one" hell na, if one asks me there could be ten, aslong as everyone has something unique to themselfes i can enjoy about them? where do i sign?^^

[hollow barn]

Using magic to mine seems like a quite nice gimmick

[vague galleon]

ill wait for it to go on sale for 10 bucks.

[peak marsh]

Saying it's "more than Enshrouded" because it has a little water is silly at best xD

I mean, say you would like to see water in Enshrouded, but to quote CUB:

Its hyperbole to downplay everything Enshrouded has and has added because you kind of want water xD

[peak marsh]

Yeah, the general integration of magic into gathering, or just having gathing related active skills in general is a pretty interesting idea

I'd like to see more games give something to the gatherers and builders beyond "now you can do it a little faster"

[round beacon]

Lol. Witcher 4 Beta test invites used as a scam. Beware people^^

[vague galleon]

Magic the Gathering you say?!

[peak marsh]

That one seems obvious. Why would there be Witcher 4 beta invites being handed out on Discord lol

[round beacon]

not just on discord. but CDPR issued a warning on multiple channels. the more obvious question would be, how can there be a playtest already^^

[peak marsh]

But also for a game like The Witcher they wouldn't do public playtesting. It's not an MMO xD

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/7TVds2s7gBc?si=1xXoaNVztqDKdmhQ

[left osprey]

https://youtu.be/aB_2ZRn9F_k?si=7h93FNhTYc68lprv

[peak marsh]

Why the launch trailer but not the new update trailer? xD

(also, not actually related to Stunlock studios, obv)

[left osprey]

cause the update only shows the update still sicc

and no I wish lmao

[peak marsh]

Yeah but I feel like most people already know about V Rising considering how viral it went. Maybe they don't 🤷‍♂️ Great game regardless

[left osprey]

always some outliers

and many of those who have heard only heard of it while in ea/merely played in ea usually

[peak marsh]

I feel like the "uproar" over PoE2's recent update is A) Overblown, and B) A fine example of what I mean when I say most people don't have the stomach for early access

[left osprey]

few games are worth in ea yes

even fewer in their first build

[peak marsh]

I mean, there's a certain charm in watching a game evolve and grow if you're willing to accept it for what it is and give it time, but here we are with thousands of people review bombing the game on Steam and making YT outrage videos over that process

Like, part of the point too is they want player feedback but yelling and gnashing your teeth isn't productive lol

And criticizing them releasing a new cosmetic package which, the team for that is entirely different from the team that works on mechanics and development

But seemingly most people jump in expecting a fully realized polished experience and get outraged when it isn't that xD

[left osprey]

for indie games perhaps but many devs also just abuse the fact of being early access

or just go above and beyond and release an unfinished buggy mess and call it AAA

[peak marsh]

I mean, it depends with heavy asterisks. Like, extremely large studios like the AAAs I really don't excuse for doing any kind of EA beyond server stress testing because they have paid testers they can use for that process

I'd file Grinding Gear as large indie/lower tier AA, so I feel like they get the same benefit of the doubt others in that space should

[timber prism]

Its not productive but it makes $$$$ content for YT and at the end of the day thats what creators want

[peak marsh]

Well for YT sure, but there's also the blowing up on Reddit/Steam forums/review bombing/etc

[timber prism]

People love outrage bc it generates views and is marketing all in itself

This is just modern day gaming community unfortunately

People have the desire to complain about everything

[left osprey]

short attention spans and fuses

make for a great mix

[peak marsh]

I mean even complaining is fine because that's how the devs come to understand what the community wants. I just don't feel like it's productive to go overboard and review bomb the game etc

[left osprey]

feedback =/= crying

[peak marsh]

I guess that's the distinction. People are crying because they don't like the changes, instead of using the avenues to be constructive and say "they changed this, and I feel like it was better when it was like that" or "this doesn't feel fun, it would be better if you did that" and let those changes happen or not during the EA period before doing things like review bombing

Like, the game needs new players to keep growing and bombing it to Mostly Negative over a single patch that changed things that will probably change several times more over the course of the EA process just seems short sighted and counter productive

Mostly because Mostly Negative games get buried in the Steam algorithm

[left osprey]

What even happened

What are people pissed at

[peak marsh]

I'm not even fully up on it myself, but basically they made some mechanics changes that people didn't like, and didn't add some features people feel like they "should" have because games like Last Epoch have them (issues with the loot filter, things like that)

Basically saying that the game felt better at launch then it does after the patch

[tepid wadi]

I play these games a ton so I'm fairly up to speed on it.

TL:DR

1. Last Epoch set their season 2 launch date at 04/02. Then, a couple months later, POE2 set their launch date for their .2 patch to 04/04. Last Epoch moved their S2 date to 04/17 because they'd get KILLED by such a bigger game releasing 2 days later. So people are upset at GGG for forcing LE to push out and generally looking like a bully.

2. POE2 .2 season comes out, their patch notes show TONS of nerfs, to basically everything. Only major buffs in sight are to monster strength. Because of the nerf to player power and buff to monsters, the game feels SLOW compared to the previous update. It also exacerbates the problems from the previous season because if you get lucky and get good drops the game is fun, but if you get unlucky, you never ever feel powerful.

They also had a lot of bugs, their new class released as SUPER underpowered (except for some bugs that made a couple skills crazy strong in broken ways), the game slowed to a crawl and lots of players just weren't having fun.

3. POE2 devs go on a podcast and are fairly abrasive to the interviewer, arguing that things aren't that bad and the game is much better. It doesn't mirror what players are experiencing and makes them look suuuuper out of touch.

[peak marsh]

Ah. In that case yeah, that's a cocktail for some player grudges. Though TBF to point 1, you really can't blame game A for the choices of game B and vice versa. There's no way of knowing if the date was intentional to squash LE or if it was just happenstance

[tepid wadi]

GGG is patching things to improve the state of the game, but with so many people not having fun, and then the devs acting like it's not a problem, it made people feel like they really weren't listening.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, the third is probably the most damning part. Being dismissive of issues, even if you think they're only perceived only comes off as tone deaf and ignorant of your player experience

[tepid wadi]

But yeah, whether or not it was intentional meddling doesn't really matter. From the player perspective it LOOKS like it, and no matter how you slice it, it's a dick move

[peak marsh]

Yeah, TBF to the other side they easily could have been more aware and been the ones to push their update back

Heck, you'd think they'd welcome the time to iron things out a bit more

If anything a lot probably remember when GGG was the plucky upstart studio taking on the behemoth in the space that was Blizzard, only for them to become that behemoth to Eleventh Hour now being the upstart

Arguing about their own issues probably comes off a lot like "You all have phones, don't you?"

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean I think that's one of the reasons why it rubbed people so wrong

It's not the end of the world, they'll be able to recover, of course

That's the benefit of being the behemoth

[peak marsh]

If anything I see the point then, and if anything whether it was willful or through ignorance, not pushing their date back was probably not only a bad PR move but a big miss in terms of having an opportunity to generate a lot of free player good will

"Hey guys, we know you're as excited to check out the new season of LE as we are so we're pushing our patch 2 weeks, hope both games can do great!", that kind of thing

[tepid wadi]

That's basically what LE ended up doing. Ironically probably their best move with the way the POE2 patch turned out, heh. But if the POE2 patch had been a banger, it would've stomped all over LE so it was a smart move.

[peak marsh]

And I mean yeah, they'll come back and probably do fine, especially at the end of it all when they go F2P and gain 10x the current player base, but it definitely seems like an entirely needless setback

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, anotehr level of it is that it's the first LE update in 9 months, so if it had gone poorly for them, it might have killed the studio.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it's basically win-win for LE, they can avoid the competition and if it had turned out to be amazing they could manage expectations a bit, plus come out looking like the good guys

[tepid wadi]

It helps that the LE patch is a real banger, can confirm it's lots of fun

[peak marsh]

Nice. Maybe they get a big boost out of all this and cement themselves a bit more

[tepid wadi]

Apparently they hit 150k concurrent players earlier, so that's pretty awesome

[peak marsh]

Nice. That's pretty big for an indie studio

Out of curiosity, are they eventually following PoE's playbook and going F2P or are they staying paid? Or have they mentioned anything?

[tepid wadi]

I think they're staying paid, BUT their supporter packs are way cheaper than POE's. And also there's no in game purchases needed for the game to feel good (like stash tabs in POE)

[misty arch]

its back
https://youtu.be/uJ97kvnA3Yw?si=OIwmtVO8Ll5VBynX

[left osprey]

0 gameplay oof

[neon torrent]

Reported 😉 kidding

[peak marsh]

(can't watch, at work) Who is the publisher?

[misty arch]

actually its a mess up. i thought it was a new game but its actually the shawn levy, ryan gosling star wars movie announcment teaser.

[peak marsh]

Womp womp

[vague galleon]

hmmm. mixed feelings.

[peak marsh]

Welp..

[round beacon]

not surprised at all

only surprise there is they didnt went up as much as i would have thought they will^^

[peak marsh]

I mean, they haven't launched yet so there's still time xD

[round beacon]

true :3

[peak marsh]

Though I'm a little over all the pearl clutching that "omg they aren't Hall effect sticks". Like, lets find out what they are before we get the pitchforks out on that one

A lot of companies are going to TMR sticks over Hall because they're cheaper and easier to drop in, with better accuracy than Hall. All they said was "not Hall effect"

[round beacon]

funnyest sht to me is, they will still sell an absolutel buttload of that thing, even though everyones cryin about it. whilst im sittn there and be like "nope. even if i could aford a hundret without breakin a sweat. you aint getting MY moneh pal"

[peak marsh]

Heck, they could just be really good potentiometers and they'd be fine. PS2s didn't have Hall effect sticks either and some of those controllers are still great today. They just used shitty sticks on the first Switch xD

[peak marsh]

That's the thing. People who don't pay attention to internet outrage (ie; the vast majority of consumers) will show up in droves on launch day if the scalpers don't get there first xD

[round beacon]

mhhhmmm

[peak marsh]

It's just every article or video I see is talking about "OMG THEYRE NOT HALL EFFECT" like they announced the Joycons will actually be dead rats with magnets glued to them or something. Most people don't even know what Hall effect is other than a buzz word for "doesn't drift", which isn't true because even Hall effect can drift and require recalibration xD

Like again, old consoles that released before Hall effect was even a common tech were fine and didn't drift. It just gets under my skin because it rings out as just using a buzzword to jump on the hate train

Like, Joycon drift resulted in lawsuits and cost Nintendo millions, I'm sure they planned for it xD

[round beacon]

honestly its more amusing to me that THATS the biggest gripe people seem to have... ^^

while theres plenty of other stuff and reason to sht on that thing, but ey.. im just an old fart^^

[peak marsh]

Right? That part gets me too, why pounce on something so ambigious and intangible when there are actual, factual reasons to be on the hate train xD

Like ushering in the days of $80 - 90 AAA releases

[round beacon]

hail indi and small scale EA`s ❤️

last tripple A i bought.. ööhhh....

[peak marsh]

Yep. Frankly I think it'll be a great thing for gaming in the long run, AAA can only get so bloated before it collapses and leaves a void for indie studios to step up

[round beacon]

not even joking, i actualy have to look it up o.O

[peak marsh]

We'll get better games made by people who don't have to crunch and work with passion for less money and they'll be better experiences that are priced fairly for the average consumer

[round beacon]

Skyrim? yeah.. and Fo4 xD (both simply because the modding scene is hella awesome though^^)

literaly anything after that was either indi or small scale

[peak marsh]

I mean, I think if you haven't bought Skyrim at some point they break into you house and take away all your gaming equipment

[round beacon]

fair point xD

[peak marsh]

I've only bought a couple AAAs in recent years. Monster Hunter because I'm a fan of the series (World, Rise, and Wilds) and Street fighter 6, and Ghost of Tsushima: Director's Cut because that game is a masterpiece

[round beacon]

yeah, fair, those are all nice games.

[peak marsh]

Literally everything else has been indies though

Well, I take that back I did buy BotW and TotK on Switch, and the Link's Awakening remake

But the theme is I only buy things that don't have gross monetization and let me have a complete experience without swiping the plastic

[round beacon]

actualy got the old switch as a gift together with TotK, and it IS a damn awesome game, no question. but thats because im a huuuuuuge a.. zelda fanboy of the old days^^

[peak marsh]

Same, I've been playing Zelda since the NES and it's just always been part of my gaming life

[round beacon]

jeah. good times^^

[peak marsh]

Well, one more caveat, and this one kind of hurt my soul but I had to see it for myself, I did buy Diablo 2 remastered on Switch just because I was huge into D2/LOD back in the day xD

Even though I hate Acti-Blizzard and their business practices

[round beacon]

ouf.. nah... was a pc game for me, always will stay one.. cant play that stuff on console xD

[peak marsh]

It's mostly because back in the day I used to dream of being able to play a game like that on something portable like at the time, a GBA, and I used to imagine what that would be like, so when it finally happened I kind of had to xD

[round beacon]

fair^^

[peak marsh]

I've pretty much always been a fan of portable/miniature tech, even when I was a kid I used to imagine having something like an NES/SNES/Genesis I could play without being tethered to a TV

Again, like a Gameboy but on a console level

With all the portable PCs and retro android consoles coming out left and right I feel like I'm living in that dream xD

[round beacon]

haha glad someone can enjoy that stuff^^

[peak marsh]

Well I mean, not like the crappy low end stuff. Stuff like this: https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-5-handheld?variant=46282124624096

Plays up to PS3 and Switch, Hall effect sticks, suitable for PC streaming, etc

[round beacon]

neat

[peak marsh]

Not like those $35-40 "1000+ Games In One!" things xD

[round beacon]

shudders dont... remind me.Aaanyway, gotta get up early, so imma hang up for today, was a nice chat though, thanks for that^^

[humble minnow]

grounded is another fantastic survival game if you want a harder more cartoony feel

[livid tiger]

Skyrim is needed for another great game too called Enderal

It used that engine and assets etc but it's a standalone game

I got hooked on tainted Grail the Fall of Avalon recently. Between here and there I've got my 2 games for life

[misty arch]

you know Tainted Grail is wiping when they officially launch in may?

[livid tiger]

Yup! I've been playing it since it came out 300+ hours enshrouded has 560+

[vague galleon]

I should play some of those mod pack dlcs that use skyrim.
theres always something mentally blocking me from doing a lot of fanmade stuff its weird.

[round beacon]

honestly, its a damn rabbit hole. once ur deep enough - you stop playin because ur constantly modding, and then go for failure search because SOMEthing went wrong, and THEN u find another "interesting mod you wanna try to add - rince and repeat^^

[lusty imp]

It's usually easy to find which mod is broken

Where it gets difficult, is if you are modding older games that are not optimised, like Fallout new vegas

That game needs mods to actually play

[misty arch]

XCom meets Star Wars
https://youtu.be/rcxnRaZ6slU?si=m2_dFRiinXCDG18S

[vague galleon]

oh ive already been through that. spent like 3 months modding skyrim with Mod Organizer, ended up with like 80 some odd mods and was finally happy with my loadout and then.... it just kept crashing. my character would speed up really fast and the rest of the game was normal speed and then boom, crash. I was NOT going to go through all the work to figure out what the problem was. I've barely played skyrim since.

I hear there's a new and better mod organizer now but, meh.

[vague galleon]

zero company is so edgey. wtf. XD

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCnjvQQy7S8

[round beacon]

80? thats cute xD

[vague galleon]

look i know its not a large number of mods compared to you psycopaths but it was emough for me.

some weapon and armor packs, a few home, i cant even think what most of them were.

never found much satisfying skill tree mods or xoukdnt decide between two.

[round beacon]

haha, just pokin ya. i know i went way overboard at times, although gotta admit there where some amazing questmods out there that where worth playin. like Wormstooth, or Gray Cowl of Nocturnal by Manny GT

[peak marsh]

I have a dilemma:

[livid tiger]

Enderal is really good I highly recommend it

[vague galleon]

hmm

[livid tiger]

It's a standalone mod that needs Skyrim but has a revamped skill and skill tree system

[vague galleon]

does it have a new area to explore?

[livid tiger]

It's not Skyrim it's, it's own game

Just uses Skyrim assets

[round beacon]

Total Conversion Mod. its its entire own Worldspace, entirely new armorsets, and other stuff. as if it was its own game, build on the Engine of Skyrim, including different skillsystem and whatnot

[timber prism]

I never see RCG2 on sale

which is why i bought it when i finally did

I guess I have just been missing it XD

cuz it did go on sale in Feb and last December for 50% off

[round beacon]

Falcon talkin a lot of half informed nonsense again, i see ^^

[peak marsh]

How so?

[round beacon]

Innovative Building mechaniks, the "shadow building and the free camera are super innovative!"
No they are not. been done like that already years ago, simply took the idea from games like grounded, just to name one example^^

[peak marsh]

Oh, yeah I had that thought too. The Forest had a blueprint system back in 2015/16

[round beacon]

jup^^

[peak marsh]

Which I honestly don't understand why more games don't use that

I still think The Forest has one of the best survival build systems

[round beacon]

I grew kinda tired of the guy over the years. Like yes, some of the points made are correct, and im not sayin that to hit on DragonWilds - it HAS some nice potential here and there - but the guy is simply talkin to much nonsense often times. like dude.. get ur facts straight, or dont talk at all pls

[peak marsh]

Yeah. Personally I like Falcon/Gameranx but you can tell sometimes that he doesn't really research

[round beacon]

he has some sort of charm, the delivery isnt to bad, but yeah. research isnt realy their strong suit^^

[peak marsh]

I'm not so much into their list videos though they're sometimes entertaining, and I don't use them as a news source, but in particular Before You Buy is generally pretty decent

[round beacon]

mh hm. but to actualy look at the topic the vid was about - i REALY like the magic system they have in place, would love for enshrouded to take some notes there aswell^^

[peak marsh]

Yeah, again I need to see more before I buy it, in particular I'd like to see everything just more fleshed out but as a skeletal framework it seems to have a strong start

That and I want to see how far/long they'll support it

[round beacon]

oh jeah, with u on that, havent bought myself yet too. wont do so for a while longer, since im with you on every single point. but i find some stuff interesting^^

[peak marsh]

Same. I like the fact that gathering and building actually get some active skills, I'm a little surprised more survivals haven't thought of that

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMyqDaqH1Lo

[peak marsh]

@rain canopy #other-games message

[hot brook]

This game looks promising for those that like base-building, farming, automation, etc.
https://youtu.be/fDwwf3E99jc?feature=shared

[tepid wadi]

Can confirm, is fun.

[timber prism]

After playing POE2... LE just doesn't feel nearly as satisfying

and just cruising with zero difficulty spamming one button

XD

I can definitely see it being liked by people who like being super powerful tho

[frosty drift]

NICE!

[vague galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ovSivFDsI

THEY HAVE A FLOATING CAMERA FOR BUILD MODE!

I'm totally getting this game, the question is merely when.

[peak marsh]

From everything I've seen maybe wait it out for an update or two

It doesn't look bad it just looks very very bare. The magic and archery systems don't exist yet, there aren't a lot of building pieces and the content is thin

I've watched a few playthroughs and it looks like you can count the number of enemy types on one hand. Like, literally

[peak marsh]

Honestly I'm looking forward to it. If it's fleshed out in the right ways it could be pretty good. I just need to see what they do from here and how long they're willing to do it

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/s1i3YfGl5ag?si=16NoncbXuHiAT5ug

[vague galleon]

im going to wait for a sale.

[misty arch]

the rumor is later today
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/elder-scrolls-oblivion-remake-rumors-release-date-screenshot-leaks/

[peak marsh]

Might as well, it's kind of not a shadow drop at this point since everyone's talking about it xD

https://www.androidauthority.com/anbernic-suspend-handheld-shipments-us-3545524/ -welp, there goes the first domino

And sure, it's just a company that makes android handhelds, but it's a step towards less tech being accessible

[vague galleon]

rip

maybe i should hurry up and get a new phone.

[honest valley]

https://x.com/ElderScrolls/status/1914341009606975975

The Elder Scrolls (@ElderScrolls) on X

Tomorrow, 11:00 am EST. https://t.co/QJTVCMEuUn and https://t.co/IcRZ4oDYi8

X · Apr 21, 2025, 3:30 PM

[peak marsh]

I'll be curious to see how they've modernized the mechanics, if at all

Like, sell me on why I should play this instead of Skyblivion

(also thanks for not DMCAing Skyblivion into, well, oblivion xD)

[round beacon]

Rather wait for Skyblivion aswell

[tepid wadi]

If it doesn't, a lot of people are gonna have their nostalgia glasses shattered

[vague galleon]

hopefully its not too brown like in the screen shots.

[left osprey]

best to wait yes, wayy too expensive for what it offers now

Enshrouded is offering more and better quality for less

they dont even have ranged and magic yet

nor any good movement

can barely jump and traverse the terrain

[vague galleon]

yikes

[peak marsh]

Yeah, if it's literally just a graphics/engine update with the gameplay and overall mechanics working the same, people are going to realize how far we've come since 2005 xD

[tepid wadi]

Lol yeah

[vague galleon]

not far at all

skyrim was a step back

and we still havent had anything new. ignoring the mmo and fallout games.

[peak marsh]

We don't talk about Starfield

[vague galleon]

what's starfield?

[peak marsh]

Well, they certainly must have done something to Oblivion for it to (reportedly, allegedly) weigh in at 120gb

[vague galleon]

i swear to God if thet made the whole game brown ima be pissed.

i wont play it.

i want bright vibrant colors.

NOT washed out browns and greens like in the late 2000s

[peak marsh]

You're not nostalgic for mid-2000s console FPS?

[vague galleon]

i still play 1995 Quake.

i had little more than a GC during the 2000s.

[peak marsh]

Brown means it's GRITTY and ADULT and SRS BUSINESS

[vague galleon]

🤮

[peak marsh]

The mid 2000s, when everything was brown and men were built like refrigerator boxes

Women were built like the refrigerators

Just eat enough Doritos and MTN Dew and it'll look fine

And if you're asking "how much is enough"? it's never enough

But seriously yeah, it'll be pretty disappointing if they lose all the colorful scenery that Oblivion had, because it was actually really vibrant

[vague galleon]

exactly.

[peak marsh]

Especially that first big "world reveal" when you step out and it's all lighting bloom and green fields and blue water and sky

Oblivion was strong with the lighting bloom xD

[vague galleon]

🙏

[peak marsh]

Skryim was kind of bad about that in it's way. It had it's moments but a lot of it was steeped in grays and darker grays

[vague galleon]

so much gray and white and even the places with grass had barely any green.

one of many reasons i gave up on it.

[peak marsh]

I played through to the end and slayed Alduin, but there are so many areas of Skyrim that have blurred together in my memory

[vague galleon]

hundreds of hours, never finished the main story. rofl.

[peak marsh]

Especially the delves. My god, so much repetition xD

Like I did them because they were the easiest way to grind skills because THEY'RE ALL LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME 5 BROWN THINGS

I swear I had already seen them all before I was even done with Whiterun

The Dwemer and Falmer delves mixed it up just a bit but man there was so much repetition

Like really, if TES 6 addresses anything they need to find a way to mix up the delves and instanced stuff

It's been a little while but like I played Skyrim at release, then I played it again a few years ago on a revisit, and the repetition is easily the biggest sore spot of the entire (vanilla) game

Say what you want about the combat and the skill balance etc etc, literally the biggest thing dating that game is how many things are just the exact same thing

And frankly it was kind of amazing in 2012 but that doesn't fly in 2026 and beyond

[vague galleon]

i would LOVE to have an elder scrolls game with melee combat like Mordhau or the Chivalry games. or maybe like Kingdom Come.

[peak marsh]

I mean, they really can't just rest on their laurels and do what they've done since Arena but slightly better. Games like Kingdom Come and Mordhau etc have kind of set the new bar for first person melee combat

[vague galleon]

indeed.

i heard a rumor that ES6 will FINALLY have a new engine.

[peak marsh]

I mean that's the promise, and frankly that's all well and good but it really matters what they do with it. Part of me worries that Bethesda has been doing their thing for so long that they're stuck in their rut

[vague galleon]

gasp!

yes.

[peak marsh]

I mean, they haven't really innovated since Daggerfall, they've only refined

Basically, every release they just do what they've been doing but a little better

[vague galleon]

and that's fine, to a point.

[peak marsh]

Which isn't inherantly bad, but we're coming on 30 years since their last real innovation

[vague galleon]

ya

ive been told how awful oblivion's menu system is and while it's not perfect I refuse to accept that F03 and skyrim had a better one.

Oblivion just had an Aesthetic to so much of it.

skyrim has... dragons.

[peak marsh]

And eating 20 wheels of cheese mid fight to heal xD

[vague galleon]

kek

[peak marsh]

Skyrim laxitave mod when

I mean, the dragon voice mechanic was kind of interesting until the point you realize it's basically just an overpowered magic tree

[vague galleon]

fus dos rah?

[peak marsh]

I mean that was fun, but I mean more like the one that makes you move faster through everything or the one that reveals where everything in an area is through walls

Like, they're basically overpowered spells

[vague galleon]

ya, was weird. i barely collected any of them. XD

[peak marsh]

Really, the more you get the more they become cheats

On my first playthrough (back in the day on Xbox 360 xD) I got into it and went around collecting all the shouts

[vague galleon]

my friend liked to do the alchemy exploit.

[peak marsh]

I never did the exploits. I've seen Spiffing Brit do a few xD

Like the one where he used the alchemy exploit to beat Skyrim with a spoon xD

Er sorry, it was a fork xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUtltvUQX0

[vague galleon]

ya somewhere in skyrim is a fork and knife you can actually weild.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=360608957

[short sail]

Enshrouded 1 is still EA and he already spreads rumors about Enshrouded 6
(I am aware it's about the Elderly Scrolling 6)

[vague galleon]

im going to steal all your coins.

[short sail]

That's another game

[vague galleon]

@peak marsh

[round beacon]

Horse Armor... we came full cirkle - again! xD

also quite the proud prise, for a remaster^^

[vague galleon]

apperently its getting an early release due to the leaks.

but ya this is shit

[misty arch]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2623190/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV_Oblivion_Remastered/

Steam

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion™ Remastered modernizes the 2006 Game of the Year with all new stunning visuals and refined gameplay. Explore the vast landscape of Cyrodiil like never before and stop the forces of Oblivion from overtaking the land in one of the greatest RPGs ever from the award-winning Bethesda Game Studios.

Rediscover Cyrodi…

Price

$49.99

▶ Play video

[timber prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1903340/Clair_Obscur_Expedition_33/

Steam

Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

Once a year, the Paintress wakes and paints upon her monolith. Paints her cursed number. And everyone of that age turns to smoke and fades away. Year by year, that number ticks down and more of us are erased. Tomorrow she’ll wake and paint “33.” And tomorrow we depart on our final mission - Destroy the Paintress, so she can never pain…

Price

$44.99

Release Date

Apr 24, 2025

▶ Play video

Two more days

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/AlSxdDSGaQ4?si=ZQZQ319hLN3A57uo

[gaunt nebula]

I hope they make it worth the money and it's not a lazy remaster

[round beacon]

had a closer look - and as much as i wanted to be skeptical, its actualy realy well done^^

[gaunt nebula]

Wierd how saying the price is blocked by the server

[peak marsh]

https://www.ign.com/articles/bethesda-gifts-the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion-remastered-keys-to-entire-skyblivion-modding-team -giving other companies a lesson in how to treat your dedicated fans (-cough- Nintendo)

[burnt spear]

The price you put in is blocked by Automod because it's a common amount in Steam gift card scam bot posts.

[grim zephyr]

[finite saffron]

Yeah sorry you said the one price that we have blocked (50$) because an ungodly amount of bots have been spamming it lately

[vague galleon]

neat.

[untold lynx]

fiddy bux

there ya have it

[vague galleon]

lol

ill pay tree fiddy. no more.

[livid tiger]

To be fair oblivion had a dragon too just because you don't get to fight it....

Tree fiddy should be the new price

[timber prism]

Review embargo lifted on Expedition 33 and it seems to be reviewing well! \o/

[timber prism]

"Once a year, the Paintress wakes and paints upon her monolith. Paints her cursed number. And everyone of that age turns to smoke and fades away. Year by year, that number ticks down and more of us are erased. Tomorrow she’ll wake and paint “33.” And tomorrow we depart on our final mission - Destroy the Paintress, so she can never paint death again."

HYPE TRAIN!

[peak marsh]

Yeah I've been hearing about that one. It looks interesting

[shell finch]

That feels like such a power move on Bethesda's part

[timber prism]

One of my most anticipated games of the year. Second to Ghost of Yotei

[vague galleon]

https://youtu.be/R-ES09DJe4w?si=K6lloTlB5TKel7m-

[frank sonnet]

god the face looks so jank

[vague galleon]

its horrifying.

[frank sonnet]

if this is representative of how the rest of the game looks that doesn't bode well for it

[vague galleon]

from what i've seen the game looks pretty good for the most part.

but you're going to get the occassional freaky face.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/i8oqrucfXQo?si=9AZVXrFwsqh5BzPa

[peak marsh]

It's Bethesda tradition

I'm curious if you can still mess with the character creator and make an affront to the gods

[vague galleon]

yes

ive seen the nightmares

i will not share them.

they are beyond horrifying.

the game is very faithful to the original.

[peak marsh]

Oh nice. One of the tech guys I follow already did it xD

[vague galleon]

noooooooooooo

[peak marsh]

(Lower is the OG)

[tepid wadi]

The trick is creating a dunmer that isn't an affront to the gods.

[tranquil cove]

i never liked oblivion

skyrim was better

oblivion just had a better lockpick system and thats about it.

everything else looked generic all over the place too.

subnautica 2, not sure if it will be good

i got the subzero one, and it was a bit bland feeling, not as easy to get into.

also i have to buy oblivion remastered? should be free like skyrim high definition was.

no way im buying this game, it wasn't even that good the first time 😦 $66 rofl

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, lots of people have big nostalgia for oblivion. I think they're just trying to capitalize before the Skyblivion mod comes out this year.

[timber prism]

for the sweet sweet purchase of $15 you can just get gamepass, play Oblivion, Expedition 33, and the new Doom

also South of Midnight was already released and is on it as well

🥰

[tepid wadi]

I've heard good things about South of Midnight

[timber prism]

yeah i wanna try it

i didnt end up subbing yet to game pass but bought Expedition 33 off greenman for $36

that intro was SO GOOD

i can't wait to play more tomorrow night

[peak marsh]

https://www.engadget.com/gaming/nintendo/nintendo-warns-its-own-preorder-invites-may-arrive-after-switch-2-launch-100048014.html -I feel like this launch gets a little worse with every new announcement

[round beacon]

Love the image of people sitting there, naggin and complaining about this and that, and the horrendous pricing - whilst swiping their creditcard to pay for that stuff with tears in their eyes :3

[vague galleon]

skyrim was trash. bare boned gray world that needed saving by the modders.
and this is actual remake not just an hd face lift.

[peak marsh]

I think it's more that the people making the biggest deal and fueling the outrage machine weren't the people who were going to buy it anyhow. Though I do understand people being upset about certain market trends they've started

The people who are lining up for Switch 2 aren't the ones participating in the Nintendo hate train lol

[round beacon]

doesnt have much to do with a particular hate train, its simply the direction the industry goes thats upsetting. nintendo is just a particularly heavy example thats all.

[timber prism]

Is it a remake? Im pretty sure its a remaster and wasn't built from the ground up

they just plugged in a lot of old stuff into UE5 but its why there are already 288 mods available on nexus

[peak marsh]

Oh sure, I just mean the most vocal people and the ones calling for boycotts aren't the people buying it anyhow, so the outrage really won't affect sales and preorders IMO

What will affect it is just the fact that it's as expensive as it is in a down global economy at the time it's releasing

It really does feel like Wii U levels of missteps, minus the actual hardware design

Personally I'm surprised they're launching now, they could have announced it for a late fall launch to be in time for the holidays, had more games, more clarity on tariffs, and a better stock situation

(stock meaning inventory)

Though I guess summer is more the Japanese game buying season since that's when everyone goes on break

[tranquil cove]

i don't care if it's a remake, should be free, how many times do i need to buy the same game. could get like modders to make oblivion pretty too, and that would have been free.

or minimally it shouldn't be $66

skyrim was fine, just install 100 mods and you have a pretty game, free.

i never said i liked skyrim and its the best game in the world. skyrim has issues especially with the choices, as every god is practically evil and if you want cool items the game basically forces you to do evil things or give up the items, so it barely gives rewards for being good. in that sense the whole setting/lore is trash.

skyrim is just better than oblivion, except for the lockpicking system.

[vague galleon]

I had to rebuy Super Mario RPG. thats capitolism for you.

slyrim anniversay isnt even free.

[hollow barn]

And who pays the devs working on the project for hundreds of hours?

[vague galleon]

you mean devs actually need to eat and pay rent? gasp!

[grim zephyr]

I mean they do, but clearly they aren't paid for their job... Let's not be insane here

[tranquil cove]

there are games built from scratch for 34$

with way better graphics in unreal engine 5 etc.

in development for 3-4 years, with 50-150 dev teams

why is this "remake" nobody asked for, $66

my answer to your question is nobody should pay the devs for working on this game

no one should buy it at that price

nobody asked for it, there was no huge demand

most people want skyrim 2, or oblivion 2, not a remake of the original game

this wasnt a game that was played online by hundreds of fans, who were just bemoaning every day that "this game would be awesome with newer graphics" which is what NMRIH1 situation was. lol

and so a remake of NMRIH1 actually makes sense

[grim zephyr]

Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean no one wants it

[hollow barn]

People clearly showed interest in it lol

[tranquil cove]

im sure when people see it, they will want it, because we live in a world where people see things and want them after. but im saying nobody wanted this before it was made. there was no BIG demand for a remake of oblivion, in fact i would argue there was a big demand for a remake of morrowind.

morrowind was the big demand

they cant even read the room right

this was the devs own personal ego, the devs themselves wanted the remake.

[hollow barn]

It's literally their IP, who are you to tell them what they should do?

[tranquil cove]

that's the wrong question

anyway i guess i'll wait 50 more years for a new morrowind

https://www.thegamer.com/following-oblivion-the-calls-have-begun-for-bethesda-to-remaster-morrowind/

it's like devs of triple A studios have no awareness.

https://www.eurogamer.net/remake-morrowind-not-oblivion-you-cowards

https://www.gamingbible.com/news/the-elder-scrolls-morrowind-remake-074606-20240502

even fans tried to remake the game already

that's even if you go remaster route, remaster = morrowind, but even better is just making morrowind 2, oblivion 2, skyrim 2.

and then i'd buy that $66

buying a remaster for $66 is weird, when half the time remasters can also fail, and people even prefer the old game/graphics

[hollow barn]

Skyblivion begs to differ

[tranquil cove]

there's a mod for everything in bethesda games, but oblivion is niche, because frankly the game wasn't well loved by all. morrowind was universally loved.

maybe they were afraid to touch morrowind then

since screwing it up means pissing off people, while "fixing" oblivion means fixing it for people not happy with it, with the remaster.

[hollow barn]

Yes that's why they work 13 yrs on a Mod to remake the game

[tranquil cove]

Morrowind Reception:
Widely acclaimed at the time of release, especially among hardcore RPG fans.

Still revered today as a cult classic and often cited as the "purest" Elder Scrolls experience.

Many longtime fans hold it as the gold standard of the series.

Oblivion Reception:
Mixed among fans, especially veterans coming from Morrowind.

Still loved by many for nostalgia, charm, and its quests (like the Dark Brotherhood line).

But yes, more divisive than Morrowind for sure.

i'm just saying to long time fans of the franchise, especially if you played morrowind or talked to any fan, it was clear which game was more popular for a remake, and it wasn't oblivion.

[peak marsh]

Oblivion sold way, way more and because it launched on console became a lot of people's introduction to TES and RPGs in general

The remaster makes sense

[tranquil cove]

they need to make morrowind 2, and it will break sales of oblivion, morrowind and skyrim combined. especially if they make it with the same integrity/spirit/style of the first game.

[peak marsh]

Morrowind should get one too, but I get why they did Oblivion first

[tepid wadi]

Maybe one day they"ll actually make elder scolls 6

[grim zephyr]

Maybe they're already working on it

[peak marsh]

Heresy

[tranquil cove]

name things elder scrolls and putting a number after it

is not inspiring me to buy the game

[peak marsh]

I mean, they just haven't announced the subtitle yet

[tranquil cove]

oh okay then

[peak marsh]

Yeah, we just don't have a name yet so we can only call it 6 xD

[tranquil cove]

i cant see myself that interested in returning to skyrim world

or oblivion

so basically morrowind, or new area

if it's all the same cities as skyrim, yeah maybe ill play it, but i wont be that hyped

[peak marsh]

I think 6 will be in Hammerfell

So entirely new zone (unless you play ESO, but it'll be more detailed than that xD)

[tepid wadi]

I mean they announced 6 almost 7 years ago and we've heard what, nothing?

[peak marsh]

Not nothing, we got a 20 second teaser of some clouds xD

Nevermind that it's been 13 years since 5

Kinda makes it funny in hindsight that Daggerfall got roasted in the press for it's "excessive" 2 year dev cycle

[timber prism]

There is a reason why Skyblivion is a thing. To say that Morrowind is more popular than Oblivion isn't a fact. You can easily find polls that state otherwise which are also just opinions. What is factual is Oblivion sold more than double what Morrowind sold.

Oblivion is the first rpg for a lot of people so it has nostalgia going for it and it totally makes sense why they chose it over Oblivion and I say this as Morrowind being my favorite

[timber prism]

Morrowind was also on console

[tepid wadi]

Well, I think theres some inportant difference to those numbers. Gaming itself has grown exponentially over the years. Thats a pretty small sample size, and may not be totally accurate.

[timber prism]

Sure. There was only a four year gap between Morrowind and Oblivion

I think the take from the poll is that favorite is opionated

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean its a reddit poll

[timber prism]

You can clearly distinguish that "this game deserves to be remade first because its the favorite" is just opinions

[tranquil cove]

thats not a valid fact, while true, its a condition of the gaming industry at the time and the reach it had

morrowind sold less because it wasnt released today basically

similar to how movies in the past didnt make as much as avengers end game

its not because they were bad movies

[timber prism]

Again that is opinions

[tranquil cove]

or not popular

[timber prism]

Not fact

[tranquil cove]

no thats not opinion

[tepid wadi]

I mean, realistally games shouldnt be remade. You should make new games 😝

[timber prism]

There is zero evidence saying Morrowind would sell more than Skryim or Oblivion if it was released today

You are just saying things to say them

[tranquil cove]

theres no basis to say oblivion is a better or even more popular game because it sold more, when the time gap between the two and the difference in how games were made between the two is huge.

its just a fact, that proves nothing

except that oblivion sold more

[tepid wadi]

Theres no reason there couldnt be a new ES game that has morrowind as a part of it

[tranquil cove]

you're also basing popularity on sales, but i never bought morrowind, and i think its a better game than oblivion which i bought.

[round beacon]

Oblicion is the most beloved and most popular to this day among the cult, thats not a question, but a simple fact. yes skyrim still sells a sh..ton, but thats because it catered more towards the mainstreamconsumer rather than full on elder Scrolls fanbase - which is fine, but again. the very o9bvious reason for the remake is simply because it sells, since the nostalgia is the strongest in this one. duh

[tranquil cove]

no thats an opinion now, not a fact

lol

[round beacon]

that is a fact. has nothing to do with opinion but a numbers based fact xD

[tranquil cove]

saying its a fact over and over again, doesn't make it any less of an opinion, which it is.

i wont agree with you

[round beacon]

well you throw around a bunch of opinions aswell, whilst shitting on something you seem to lack a whole lot of knowledge about. thats also an opinion?

[tranquil cove]

it's qualitative knowledge based on experiences with talking to fans of bethesda and elderscrolls etc. but sure you can say it's my opinion based on my experiences.

[grim zephyr]

You talked to everyone who played each of those games??

[timber prism]

So yes. An opinion

[round beacon]

Thats.... a rather interesting take, but alright then.

[hollow barn]

Sounds like a very biased opinion

[tranquil cove]

the fans i've talked to, like morrowind and wanted a remake. oblivion doesn't even come up.

morrowind is the gold standard for them

[timber prism]

Fact.
Based on: me talking to someone

[round beacon]

"for them"

[hollow barn]

Sounds like based on feelings and not facts

[round beacon]

Morrowind sold about 4 mill copies worldwide.
Oblivion more than doubled that. but yeah.... just my opinion^^

[tranquil cove]

well articles i read also support this, i dont see opinion articles being written saying oblivion is more loved than morrowind, because it wasn't. its reception was more mixed, morrowind sold less but was more universally loved.

[timber prism]

Correct. Which is why I chimed in saying it was just an opinion xd

[hollow barn]

Ah yes 95% rating on Steam, sounds like a bunch of lies

[tranquil cove]

wow i need to downvote that then, thats inflated, any sane person knows oblivion is more like 80%

morrowind is 97% though

[round beacon]

Funny thing is - 95% of all Elder Scrolls Fans I have been talking to, all tell me Oblivion was and still is the best Elder Scrolls - now whos "experienced data from talking to people" is right?

[timber prism]

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/oblivion-best-elder-scrolls-game-bethesda-xbox-game-pass/

[hollow barn]

Well you aren't a sane person so that makes sense

[timber prism]

Here is your article. It took like two second on Google to find

[tranquil cove]

https://screenrant.com/best-elder-scrolls-game-morrowind-story-gameplay/

[timber prism]

And clearly. Articles are still opinions

[tranquil cove]

for every article you find i can find 3 more saying morrowind is better.

[timber prism]

I'm not sure how this isn't adding up

[round beacon]

you dont even have to google 2 seconds lol. just ask which elder scrolls is the most beloved - and it shows you about 8 Oblivion game covers xD

[timber prism]

For every three I can find <some random number>

[tranquil cove]

you can't thats the point

[timber prism]

XD

[tranquil cove]

there is more volume of articles saying morrowind is the best

which means there is more consensus that way.

[round beacon]

wrong

[timber prism]

XD

[tranquil cove]

https://www.denofgeek.com/games/why-morrowind-is-still-the-best-fantasy-world-in-gaming/

[round beacon]

butheyho, for every flat earthers are dumb i also can find at least three articles that say people lie to you, and the earth is actualy a mario shaped pancake

[tranquil cove]

sample size from an rpg forum

[timber prism]

Okay. Find me one more and then I'll find another and you find me three more

[tranquil cove]

now im bringing sampling into it

thats 54 people

compared to you and ticonz.

which is 2 people

[round beacon]

52 votes... jeah... those are some realy represantative numbers right there...

[tranquil cove]

thats why its called a sample size.

[timber prism]

Sorry. I already found a poll that shows more people liking Oblivion that had more than 10x the sample size

[tranquil cove]

so link it

[timber prism]

I did

[round beacon]

thats not a sample size, thats just a biased group. i can also go ahead and ask a forum of vegans if they like meat and will have a very very one sided poll lol

[timber prism]

I literally did XD

Go look up

But again. That is also just OPINIONS

[round beacon]

anyway. consesus is, some like this others like that, they put a whole lot of work into this actualy realy well made remaster, and you wont get it for free. do i think the price could be a bit lower? yes.
do i always get what i want? hell naw

[timber prism]

I'm happy they did Oblivion

I'll be even more happy when I see Fallout 3

[tranquil cove]

remasters are dumb

make new games

[round beacon]

wouldnt even say no to a F04 and skyrim remake if its done with the same quality these guys put in.

[tranquil cove]

morrowind 2, oblivion 2, skyrim 2

new area that is elder scrolls

why would i pay $66 for a remaster, when i can pay $66 for a new game

[timber prism]

Work on both

I think some games deserve to be remade especially beloved ones

[round beacon]

because many new games these days are SH.... total utter garb.... whilst the best ones you get are indie early access titles. thats why i would buy old games remakes. because that old sh.. was at least good^^

[tranquil cove]

add +53 and to 190 and it beats oblivion btw.

and skyrim is going to hit higher on polls because of the vastly better graphics

and modding

[timber prism]

Add 53 to Oblivion as well. and it doesn't. You sound dumb.

[round beacon]

oy Ticonz. feel like havin a coffee? beause this realy gets tiring doesnt it?

[tranquil cove]

no im adding the poll results i found in the other poll

you cant add anything to oblivion unless you find another poll

[grim zephyr]

That's... Not hoe that much works

[hollow barn]

But didn't you wanted a Morrowind Remaster?

[timber prism]

How do you know those same people didn't vote on both polls?

[tranquil cove]

yes, over oblivion, but over that i'd want morrowind 2, i said this already.

[timber prism]

But you said they are dumb but you still want one?

[tranquil cove]

assuming they didn't, which is likely since the internet is a huge place.

[tranquil cove]

i dont want one

[timber prism]

Again with the assuming

[hollow barn]

Are you really that surprised?

[tranquil cove]

but it would have been better to make one for morrowind over oblivion, either way i want a morrowind 2 game.

there's is nothing to be surprised about im pretty clear with my language in how i am expressing my points.

[frank sonnet]

so much for "Cosy Corner" lol

[timber prism]

I have had many discussions with Valourant. This doesn't surprise me at all

[hollow barn]

I know, all that really is nothing new just the same with every different discussion

[timber prism]

I also don't mind it. I know what I'm gonna get when I talk to him

[round beacon]

well but marketing research clearly showed them to have more income with oblivion remake. simple as that - and low on behold, they sold a shitton of game already. whooo would have thought

[grim zephyr]

Clearly valourant didn't

[timber prism]

Yeah. I'm happy for them. To see that number of steam players when its on gamepass is impressive

[tranquil cove]

marketing research will show a lot of things based on previous games sales, morrowind has the least sales, so its risky to do a remake of a game that didn't sell 60 million copies like skyrim, or 10 million like oblivion

[round beacon]

NO SHIT!

[tranquil cove]

but i wasnt saying which will make more money, even though i think the devs are good enough to remaster morrowind and make the same if not more money.

[round beacon]

ofc they could. and im totaly with you in the "they should make that, that would be awesome"

[tranquil cove]

i never mentioned money once

[round beacon]

BUT your entire point as to why is simply delusional

[tranquil cove]

nah if your point is to do a remaster based on sales, then skyrim remaster is the way to go. since people still largely mod that game even after the high definition version. they can easily get 10 million people rebuy a prettier skyrim.

[round beacon]

ofc they would

[timber prism]

Its almost like... they already did that for years

[tranquil cove]

? they didnt do a remaster

they just added some high definition assets

and gave that away for free

[timber prism]

No. I'm talking about them releasing them same game over and over

[round beacon]

but why put money into a project that still sells a fkton? just let it cook.

oh and one last point, and if that doesnt give you "the hint" then well so be it.
But consider this: Theres a REASON.. why the MOST DEDICATED fanbase of Elder Scrolls - the absolutely most dedicated fanbase of em all... decided to put more effort into their modded remake of oblivion that the one of morrowind.

they do both, yes. obviously. BUT. and thats a fact. they put more teamstrenght and effort into oblivion.. for free.. entirely completely for free.. which shoudl show you how dedicated they are...

and theres a VERY VERY strong reason why THIS group of the utmost dedicated fans went for oblivion first....

[tranquil cove]

if this was about sales, it would be skyrim remaster, since it's not a skyrim remaster, its probably not about sales, and therefore my point that a morrowind remaster was more longly anticipated since the game is older for starters, and would also be as popular, if not more popular than oblivion remake, stands still.

and the dev is good enough to make either a success.

[timber prism]

I honestly think it would be a harder sell to choose Skyrim first as something to sell for money when it was the latest one and with so many re-releases already.

[round beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tranquil cove]

Morrowind has OpenMW, an open-source reimplementation of the game’s engine.

This means the community isn’t just modding the game—they’re literally improving the engine.

how can you guys not see morrowind was the game to remaster if any? and it's the game to make into a new game, or otherwise do hammerfall? or whatever someone said.

i think you're blinded by 95% bias for oblivion steam reviews, which is absurd.

oblivion wasnt that perfect of a game, is that higher rating than skyrim? rofl

[round beacon]

because it sells like crazy. but yeah. you are correct. happy now?^^

its all a big conspiracy to keep morrowind down

[tranquil cove]

genuinely oblivion was like 80% ranked game, how are you guys thinking its 90% if anything the remaster proves it wasnt that great and needed a remaster. lol they are afraid to touch morrowind because the fans might backlash a remaster there.

[round beacon]

so. anyone lookin forward to the new Subnautica?

[tranquil cove]

i dunno is there is a trailer? i played subzero and i didnt find myself as into that one over the original subnautica

so not sure how a subnautica 2 will do

[timber prism]

If you look at steamcharts. There are more people playing OG Oblivion than Morrowind

[tranquil cove]

morrowind is so old now, there are more people playing bg3 than bg2

bg2 is still the better game

bg3 is more accessible and good enough, like 80% again

you get a modern looking game, that is 80% good, you will have more players, it doesn't mean it's better than what came before.

[timber prism]

Oblivion is also so old

[tranquil cove]

which is why more people play skyrim over oblivion

[round beacon]

Runescape is old as time, and people still play the heck out of that thing...

[tranquil cove]

skyrim is technically the better game in this case, but not by much.

[tranquil cove]

isnt there a runescape coming out?

[timber prism]

There is a survival game that was released yea

Its in EA

[timber prism]

Player count was more just to show that despite more mods being actively made there isn't a direct correlation to a game being better or that more people are playing because more active modding. It could be in fact that people just like Oblivion better and needs less mods.

[peak marsh]

Was it? I figured it was too old xD I was very much a PC gamer when it was out so I may have been oblivious

[peak marsh]

Oh, sure enough it was on OG Xbox. Wasn't Oblivion like a launch title for 360 though? I know it was a bigger deal when it launched than Morrowind was

Evidenced by the fact that I don't even remember it being on console xD

[vague galleon]

i was in middleschool when it came out.....

[round beacon]

meaning ur old now?^^

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-sad-sadness-sosad-gif-5551795

[timber prism]

Insert Saving Private Ryan gif

[vague galleon]

ya

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqXVT3JECQw

tl;dr: Not only are Switch 2 preorders through the roof, despite everything scalpers are already getting them and reselling the preorders for upwards of $1,000 USD

In one instance 2k

[vague galleon]

im shocked, shocked I say.

[peak marsh]

lol. I mean, it's definitely predictable considering Nintendo literally announced 2 weeks ago there probably wouldn't be enough preorder systems available

But also this seems to happen with literally all Nintendo hardware

Weird thing is I don't even blame the scalpers. I blame the impatient idiots who are paying $2k to a scalper for $500 hardware and creating the market

[vague galleon]

ya, i remember my friend did that for the wii back in the day. i called him an idiot for that.

[timber prism]

@peak marshmy friend was reselling xbox and ps5's making a load of money when those first dropped

He kept managing to get like 10-20 of them

[peak marsh]

I mean, I can't find fault with the resellers when the market is there

[timber prism]

He's moved on now though.. he's big into the shoe game and car import stuff from Japan and gets freights of JDM stuff

[peak marsh]

I just can't imagine being so impatient you'd rather spend an extra $1500 then wait 3 months

[timber prism]

FOMO

i didnt even realize the switch 2 preorder was earlier XD

im okay with not having one for a while... but it would have been cool to set it up for Bonnaroo

[frank sonnet]

while i agree i would not listen to some ordinary gamers

[peak marsh]

Nah, he's entertaining but I take him with massive grains of salt. It's just on this one even if he's exaggerating I don't think it's by much

I mean, half his uploads are about alien "evidence", there's only so seriously I can take him as a news source xD

[peak marsh]

https://gameinformer.com/2025/04/23/ghost-of-yotei-release-date-set-for-october-collectors-edition-revealed

[tepid wadi]

It's a good year for gaming, geez

[timber prism]

Ghost mask z.z

Was hoping for a statue x.x

[vague galleon]

one size fits none.

[tranquil cove]

why

what are the game releases you're basing that on?

[obtuse scroll]

There are a lot of games this year. A little bit of every genre. So, it's a good year

[peak marsh]

Ghost of Yotei, PoE 2 season dropping, Last Epoch update, upcoming No Rest for the Wicked update, Monster Hunter Wilds, Oblivion Remaster, more that I'm probably forgetting offhand and we're only in April

[hollow barn]

There's also Expedition 33 that a lot of people were hyped for

[peak marsh]

No Rest for the Wicked update drops on Wednesday

[obtuse scroll]

I'm watching a streamer play it, it's pretty good

[timber prism]

Expedition is my GOTY contender for sure

This game is absolutely amazing

For a first game from a studio. Its a home run and they really did their homework on their inspirations

My only complaint is shader loading from UE5 for cutscenes which cause some stuttering from time to time

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, the graphics, story, fighting, it's all really really well done

[timber prism]

The fact it was 28% off at release is crazy

Best $36 I spent in while haha

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I've heard good things about 33

[timber prism]

Also a good year for JDM racers. Tokyo Xtreme Racer and Japanese Drift Master

So many good releases this year

[peak marsh]

I'm interested to see TXR

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOQ4E8Z80Y

[tranquil cove]

but poe wont be out of early access yet so i can play it free?

interesting the games listed are really things i wouldn't probably ever buy lol

are they all triple A games?

they apart of franchises i never got into?

i think i'm an early access indie gamer mostly.

haven't heard of these franchises to be excited about them, except from the posts in here i guess. looking forward to light no fire maybe, and any elder scrolls game that is not a remaster or remake.

not sure about subnautica 2

[rotund finch]

i am looking forward to subnautica 2

[frank sonnet]

a game I'm looking forward to is rouge core

[peak marsh]

Can this year, assuming all goes as planned

[tranquil cove]

yeah i would probably give it a try when its free

[rotund finch]

deep rock galactic?

[peak marsh]

Also Last Epoch, No Rest for the Wicked, and Expedition 33 are all indie

Technically PoE is also but they're a much larger studio than those

[frank sonnet]

yes

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/MsYVku5iONc

i might buy 2 especially if its coop

[round beacon]

will deffo keep two eyes and a half on that one. played the heck out of the first two games, and yes, i know, second one wasnt as well received, i still had a damn good time with it, so if they keep at it like they did back then? TAKE MU MUNEH!

[peak marsh]

You mean DRG: Survivors? I though it was a fun time

[round beacon]

im talking subnautica^^

[peak marsh]

It's a great pick-up-and-play game. When I finally invest in a PC handheld (Steam Deck 2, I'm thinking) it's going to be great for that

Ah

[round beacon]

although deep rock also one hell of a time. Rock and Stone Brotha!

[peak marsh]

To the bone

I'm increasingly really stoked about Steam Deck 2. Not that I've heard anything but I just feel like they've had the time to really see what worked and what didn't with the original, and what other companies are doing in the space to make some massive improvements