i got both games on release date regardless
#other-games
tranquil cove
sonic pumice
interesting I thought subnautica was a lot newwer \
candid quiver
TU has the best building in all cases. ^^ no comparison
sonic pumice
TU has the best building in all cases. ^^ no comparison
tu?
candid quiver
Tower Unite. This is a build from scratch (empty flat, errything manually added/made in TU condo-build) ^^
sonic pumice
Never seen that. For me the best building game was Landmark (RIP)
candid quiver
Its the best building ive come across. Used to make unreal and ut3 maps a bit in the past.
TU is bases on UE4 and has full freeform primitives, custom textures but also
Alot of built in objects and effects and lights. Can build whatever up to about 28'000 items
pallid tendon
Never seen that. For me the best building game was Landmark (RIP)
As an old-time EQ player and excited EQ Next supporter, the broken promises of Landmark will never fade. How you can completely discard a golden IP puzzles me to this day.
timber prism
As an old-time EQ player and excited EQ Next supporter, the broken promises of L...
Do the EQ devs have money to put out a modern mmo?
I feel like the overall MMO audience changed at the time. A lot started playing KRMMOs or MMOs like Trion's Rift
I feel like that time was when spreadsheets and meta class building really took off
misty arch
the original EQ devs dont even work for them anymore. One of the original creators was working on Pantheon Rise of the Fallen before he passed away 2 years back. The team is continuing to work on it and it is a spiritual successor to the original EQ. Now the company that owns EQ and EQ2 is rumored to be working on a EQ3 but nothing official has been announced
timber prism
Oooo thanks. Gonna take a look at Pantheon
tepid wadi
Yeah lots of Landmark Lamenters here in the Enshrouded discord, I think it hit a note with a lot of us who saw the potential there.'
sonic pumice
As an old-time EQ player and excited EQ Next supporter, the broken promises of L...
absolutely heartbreaking
sonic pumice
Yeah lots of Landmark Lamenters here in the Enshrouded discord, I think it hit a...
It's the closest we have gotten to our lost love.
tepid wadi
The world wasn't ready for it
reef bobcat
can't wait on INZOI .. i will relocate my IRL life there
honest valley
yeah inzoi looks interesting
willow perch
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2933130/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Return_to_Moria/ any one played this?
timber prism
Happy to see that Wukong is setting records! Def recommend people playing it even with some of the bugs it has atm
If you dont like the difficulty in souls games.. its much easier than them.. I would probably rank it in difficulty as God of War or Devil May Cry.
mortal leaf
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2933130/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Return_to_Moria...
Initially when I looked at first peak of this game I thought the graphics were totally horrible. That gameplay video didn't look too good.
But now that it came out, looking at gameplay videos it looks pretty decent. Not sure why it didn't get more highlighted.
willow perch
my thoughts too
misty arch
tepid wadi
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2933130/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Return_to_Moria...
I played through it with my friends when it initially came out. Can confirm that it's not the best. If you REALLY love lord of the rings then you'll probably enjoy it, but the gameplay isn't amazing, the mining is more controlled than Enshrouded's is, the combat isn't very good... it just didn't wow me. You couldn't even make your owns servers, you had to play hosted multiplayer, which means you're dependent on that one friend being around to be able to log in.
It was fun for a bit in the early game when you're figuring things out, but once you hit the mid game and combat starts to get more prevalent it starts to show the cracks. It might be better now, I haven't been keeping tabs on if they're doing updates, but it felt like another survival game that could've used another 6-12 months in the oven before hitting early acccess.
misty arch
gamescon is live
willow perch
@tepid wadiCHEERS
tepid wadi
POE2 Nov 15th
I'm so ready. I went to exilecon last year and got to play the demo they had then. It was super good, so I'm stoked to see how far they've come in the last year.
finite saffron
wait, POE2 full release? Or a beta or something? I didn't think it would be ready that soon
tepid wadi
"Early Access" which is basically the renamed "Beta" but it'll be fully open full game available, so basically full release as far as any of us are concerned š¤·āāļø
misty arch
full story
timber prism
Nice. I hated that about PoE 1
tepid wadi
Well, the "3 acts, 3 difficulties" thing was the standard back in the day for PoE1
That wasn't incompleteness, it was just what the game was
misty arch
right, that game did go through a huge change over time
tepid wadi
Yeah, adding act 4, adding acts 5-10, maps, etc etc. It's gone through some huge evolutions
finite saffron
Yeah initially the 4 acts was the entire game lol
that was the first "full game" release iirc was having 4 acts
it's been so long though since I was in that beta so I kinda forget all the changes they made at this point
sweet patrol
Payday need to hurry up! cant wait to play it
sly dawn
Borderlands 4, thatās unfortunate
timber prism
It was and it sucked
Going through the same 3 acts that didn't have anything going on with the story was not good
sly dawn
The borderlands series died with 2, the 3rd one dug up the body and the movie nailed the coffin shut.
timber prism
That wasn't incompleteness, it was just what the game was
It was incompleteness. It was only 3 acts for years... started playing PoE in 2011.. maybe I'm remembering it wrong but finishing act 3 didn't finish the story like Act 4 did.. which came out in 2015????
finite saffron
Yeah act 4 was the first time the game had like, a proper "ending"
Though I mean, act 3 kinda did as well now that I'm thinking back to it
it's just nowadays it doesn't feel that way because of how quickly you can get there lol
timber prism
Okay. So i am remembering it right xd
I don't remember any ending to the story after act 3 it just kinda ported you back to the beach
tepid wadi
Yeah, I guess at the time that wasn't seen as the game being incomplete, just that that was the expected outcome as you moved into the next difficulty
Really a tomato tomato situation at this point
finite saffron
I don't remember any ending to the story after act 3 it just kinda ported you ba...
I couldn't remember because it's been so long, but yeah back then that was the "ending", it had a sorta time loop thing goin on and you'd then enter the next "difficulty" https://new.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1vbpxs/act_3_ending_got_watered_down_with_dominus/
They kinda just changed the ending a few times
but yeah there's a thread from over a decade ago from someone complaining that the ending changed lol
tepid wadi
People complaining on reddit? Say it isn't so
finite saffron
People complaining on reddit? Say it isn't so
A tale as old as Reddit itself
sick stag
can't wait on INZOI .. i will relocate my IRL life there
Same!
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mortal leaf
So basically it's The Sims?
reef bobcat
It's not the Sims .. cause it's better
cyan patrol
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2933130/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_Return_to_Moria...
a couple of my friends and i played it we where disapointed
tranquil cove
only game im interested in
buying immediately, been waiting like 10 years for it to finish dev lol
i watched live streams of the game devs making the game 5 or so years ago
and talked to the devs a bunch, about mechanics, progress, animation, ideas they wanted to implement etc. nice people.
but they were building the game while having other game dev jobs in the industry
but it's a passion project, and looks like it's nearing fruition
i played path of exile for a bit, but quickly shelved that and never went back, and not interested in that genre of game or their F2P system or combat mechanics
i love titan quest, but it's different than poe, of all F2P games i played, i preferred warframe above them all, have 1000 hours, and 2000 platinum, could relatively easily make 1000 platinum in a week if you know what you are doing and what to farm/sell. best part is you dont really need the platinum, good for buying your inventory spaces and paint colours.
tulip torrent
league of legends
drowsy plank
tulip torrent
League is a chill game
tulip torrent
Leagues the type of game where you can get on vc and have a civil conversation
With 0 instances of broken monitors and rage destruction of laptops
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summer osprey
anyone play Wukong yet? any good?
candid quiver
anyone play Wukong yet? any good?
I ran the benchmark, it ran fine. But its prolly as much as i will play it, not my style of game (too mashflasby and closed-world for me ^^)
summer osprey
I ran the benchmark, it ran fine. But its prolly as much as i will play it, not ...
i got it free with the new computer. its humongous though, 160gb or something.
candid quiver
Prolly cus many pretty models and textures and stuffs
mortal leaf
anyone play Wukong yet? any good?
Looking at reviews on Steam I thought this was suspicious. It's made by Tencent after all, so I don't trust anything I see that they could bribe (what can't they bribe?)
But then I watched a little gameplay and the game's theme is pretty impressive. Seems to be true to the mythology. The graphics are very beautiful and the game seems to play smoothly. I like that there's a system to assign perks a little bit like Darksiders etc.
Maybe the reviews are legit after all.
mortal leaf
With 0 instances of broken monitors and rage destruction of laptops
Also no chance that any member of your family will get insulted
timber prism
anyone play Wukong yet? any good?
I'm enjoying it a lot but haven't played too much. On chapter 2 atm
Which is about 8 bosses in? Maybe more
Story presentation is great. Amazing graphics
Its more of a boss rush game than being fully open exploration
Its littered with optional fights tho
The intro was probably the best intro I played in years
Puts GoW to shame in terms of presentation
finite saffron
Looking at reviews on Steam I thought this was suspicious. It's made by Tencent ...
It's one of the first truly AAA releases produced directly in the China market, I.E a big budget box price game, not a f2p mmo or something. So it has a significant amount of hype in that region, and from what I've heard it's actually a pretty solid game.
You can tell by looking at the reviews, this is when I have my review filters set to English. The game is absolutely massive in China, which is already a large gaming market to begin with.
You can think of it as like China's equivalent to what Stalker was to Ukraine, or what The Witcher was to Poland. It's really the first time they've had a AAA game of this magnitude release that was produced totally within the country, so there's a lot of hype around it.
tranquil cove
so wukong is just elden ring but as a monkey?
like if the world was planet of the apes and they made video games
lol
not really a fan of high fantasy, even though ive watched my fair share of monkey martial arts movies
timber prism
No. Don't compare it to Elden Ring
Its not like it at all
It is inspired by the Journey to the West which is why its Sun Wukong
Gameplay wise the only thing it really has in common with souls games is that there are altars to reset enemies but its pretty closed off and more like a boss rush with the occasional optional path or trigger event to fight a hidden boss
timber prism
It's one of the first truly AAA releases produced directly in the China market, ...
I really hope the success of the game opens the doors to more games that are AAA box releases from China because they knocked it out of the ballpark in a lot of areas
candid quiver
I didnt like god of war either, and wukong is like that but with less story ^^
timber prism
Yeah. So far it seems about right. There are definitely more action that isn't QuickTime cinematic events. There are a lot of characters that I have run across so I don't know if there is less story per say
tepid wadi
My buddy who picked it up is enjoying it, he's an ER fan though. He says it's a lot closer to Nioh than ER
timber prism
Sometimes Sony games in general feel like walking cinematic simulators and Wukong avoided that all together
It was really noticeable in GoW and Spiderman 2
finite saffron
I really hope the success of the game opens the doors to more games that are AAA...
China has some good games already a lot of them are just either more on the indie side or really pay to win f2p games haha, so I'm quite happy to see a proper AAA game coming out of the region and finding such massive success.
And yeah this will definitely open the door to more releases I am sure, this game has been absolutely massively successful already, it's all time player peak is already over 2X games like Elden Ring or Baldurs Gate 3, which were obviously huge games
It's hard to say how popular it will be in regions outside China, but so far I've heard good things about it
tulip torrent
Also no chance that any member of your family will get insulted
Sounds like something you'd hear on call of duty
timber prism
@tepid wadi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7hP04qhk4
Fellow Worlds Adrift fan
^^
summer osprey
i'll def give it a go, it was free after all. just hefty on space
sweet patrol
It is time Black myth is mine now to just handle this last hour at work while it downloads.......
heavy relic
Looking at reviews on Steam I thought this was suspicious. It's made by Tencent ...
Tencent is right tbh... I won't buy the game just because of that word.
sweet patrol
whats the issue with them?
vague galleon
big chinese company controlled by chinese government.
i dont know if theyve done anything specifically off the top of my head.
not fond of perfect world either
tepid wadi
They own majority stake in a LOT of game companies at this point I believe. That's kinda their MO
timber prism
Not just game companies.. a lot of things
its what Investor groups do XD
Its almost staggering how many... just by 2020.. they got Riot Games, Blizzard, Ubisoft, Grinding Gear Games, Platinum Games, Fatshark, Funcom... even Discord
candid quiver
I'll say im not very happy about 'Embracer group' either to be fair ^^
And MS be no angels always either.
hollow barn
Tencent is right tbh... I won't buy the game just because of that word.
But you bought Enshrouded?
tulip torrent
If I had ten cents for every company stocks....
timber prism
But you bought Enshrouded?
uh oh... maybe they didnt know? XD
Have to wait till Fall 2026 T_T
hollow barn
uh oh... maybe they didnt know? XD
XD
hollow barn
They are an investor for keen
tranquil cove
big chinese company controlled by chinese government.
i dont know if theyve done...
tencent owns riot games, and 40% of epic games, basically every game i dislike comprises that list. lol
fortnite is from epic, league of legends, from riot, valorant who stole my name from riot - they own roblox which i also dislike etc.
due to being anti totalitarianism i can't really support companies or games made in totalitarian countries. it's just how i am so i wouldn't touch wukong and wouldn't trust companies from those regions with my data. but also i never got into god of war series, or elden ring - so wukong doesn't even seem like my kind of game. (i like chinese mythology? though) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_King
i don't think tecent outright own discord
looks like they more likely have a minority share
yeah, a barely minority share š
Tencent, owns a 38% share in Discord which raises concerns about data privacy and government censorship.
quaint ember
Data privacy is a myth.
tranquil cove
Tencentās majority control of Discord poses serious privacy concerns.
ā Tencent bought shares in 600 companies when the Chinese law required user data sharing.
ā Discord claims to never sell user data but shares information with vendors and advertising platforms.
quaint ember
Okay, my words, i'm gone again.
tranquil cove
Discordās weak encryption makes it vulnerable to hackers and Tencentās surveillance business model
ā Discord does not have end-to-end encryption like other messenger apps
ā Discordās rejection of lucrative acquisition offers from major tech giants is risky and Tencentās continued investment in Discord is to acquire user data for surveillance purposes
Epic Games: Known for popular titles like Fortnite.
Riot Games: Creators of League of Legends.
Bluehole: Developed PlayerUnknownās Battlegrounds (PUBG).
Ubisoft: Renowned for series like Assassinās Creed and Far Cry.
Activision Blizzard: Behind titles like Call of Duty and World of Warcraft.
Grinding Gear Games: Known for Path of Exile.
Supercell: Creators of Clash of Clans and Clash Royale.
Platinum Games: Notable for action titles like Bayonetta.
Yager, Frontier Developments, Kakao Gaming, Paradox Interactive, Fatshark, Funcom, Sharkmob, and Discord
haha
i like how literally every game they have a share in, i dislike
call of duty, and wow
trash games
never got into assassins creed
never liked path of exile, PUBG, trash game to me.
i guess it's any game that has millions of fans
i'm more of a early access gamer, likes the small indie studio
i technically dislike discord
but everyone is here now, as soon as a new messaging/vc app comes along i am ditching
candid quiver
It doesnt really matter. Tencent, embracer, MS, EA - they all gobble up studios.
sweet patrol
well regardless the game is amazing and thats all I care about. I worked for MS and know how corrupt they are but still happily play my xbox.
candid quiver
Im not avoiding games if i like them, i more meant it feels pointless to single out tencent, market is what it is ^^
(I am tired of modern consoles tho, they are really pc's but with extra subscriptions now)
hollow barn
Have been since a few years tho just getting worse
timber prism
Im not avoiding games if i like them, i more meant it feels pointless to single ...
This. I will say consoles give access to games for those who can't afford or want to mess around with PCs and for that ill always be grateful for them
misty arch
can also just get an Epic account and get free games every week
timber prism
For consoles?
misty arch
oh, gamepass is the best unfortunately, not an xbox fan.
timber prism
The cost for a PC is higher than consoles by a large margin
Some people can't afford to shell out that cash for them
candid quiver
A bit, but Depends on how many months you sub to online
finite saffron
Force's ability to make a video on like, literally every single game ever made, will never cease to amaze me
candid quiver
Theres a monthly cost attached kinda
finite saffron
dude is a content machine
misty arch
Force's ability to make a video on like, literally every single game ever made, ...
right, and he also comes across as genuine
finite saffron
Yeah I've worked with him at previous companies he strikes me as a very chill dude
misty arch
id say, other than whatever nintendo has, consoles will be done in the next 5 years
finite saffron
Eh I doubt it honestly, I think they'll just trend towards being more compact/mobile like the switch and stuff
Phones still aren't close to running most AAA games and most people don't have/don't want gaming PCs
I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more consoles that can do both though, like how the switch can dock but also be a mobile device. As chips get more and more efficient that makes sense to me.
the psp was ahead of its time smh
mortal leaf
due to being anti totalitarianism i can't really support companies or games made...
I think this only makes sense
You shouldn't support companies or organisms that don't align with your moral values
I always tell my friends this about clothes. Buying shirts for 5 or 10 dollars that are made in China are certainly not made in humane conditions.
In general, I want to buy things for the price that they should be sold at.
You wouldn't sell any garment you knitted for only 10 bucks.
tranquil cove
funny that BG3 has a rating over 90 percent on steam
huge BG series fan and dnd, but I wasn't overwhelmingly positive about the game or pleased with it
i'd only give the game around 80-85%
mostly just not into the characters, setting, or story that much, which contributes, visuals are great, some game mechanics kinda meh and it has qol issues and some other gameplay issues, and not a fan of the new dnd ruleset.
but i'd say the worst part of the game is the characters with nearly all of them being unlikable in some way, and potentially bad character development too
only ended up liking pink
aka Karlach
the only cool character
the rest are so unlikeable it's not even funny
might as well all be antagonists
gone are the days of minsc
tranquil cove
the fact that if given the choice between BG2 shadow of amn and BG3 i'd rather play the game made in 2000 basically says everything about modern games - even though BG3 far exceeds the 2000 game in visuals and environment etc.
and the fact that people get upset i give a game a rating of 85% instead of 99% š
maybe i'm the only unbiased one
ratings either tend to be skewed negative, or positive from fans/popular opinion and bandwagoning as a driving force.
especially if people are really fans of game companies or whatever, then just because of the game company they might say a game is amazing... (or really bad) i don't really pay attention to that, i don't even remember who made BG3
i think i forget who made BG2 too š
i'm willing to bet that BG3 has a positive skew on its ratings, because of bias
just like some movies/games get negative skews from overly critical people who intentionally want to ruin the ratings
misty arch
or the game is just really that good, which BG3 is.
tranquil cove
or the game is just really that good, which BG3 is.
it's good, but it's not that good
then again someone put dont starve as over 90%
but i can't really judge that game, i totally dislike the whole concept and genre for that game
this was my BG3 review back when i played it
i wrote interesting characters, because character stuff is more preference based
candid quiver
Lol val cant play bg1/2/torment/numenera properly so as usual a quite uninformed take.
tranquil cove
personally none of them are likeable
candid quiver
Reading low
tranquil cove
i played all those games, i beat BG2 6 times in my life
candid quiver
Practice reading
tranquil cove
BG2 is much harder than 3
so what does playing it properly mean?
i min max in BG2 and have god tier characters
the difference between me and you is i actually stay on topic and write points for my critiques
whereas people just say vague things back to me like "it's good" but can't back up why
and then say because 1 million other people thought so
1 million people think league of legends is good too
"Instead BG3 is more like BG1 for 2023, it's it's own thing. So maybe don't call it three next time? And don't even base it on Baldurs Gate? Perhaps choose a different city in DND or even a different campaign setting, there are tons, and make your own unique game, since that's what you wanted to do. It's a bit disappointing that I am forced to turn base combat, and cant do the classic, pause fight, pause fight."
exactly why BG3 is easy as pie
turn based combat, i can pie this game on hardest difficulty
real time pause allowed for things to get out of hand pretty fast in BG2
if you didn't pause in time
BG3 is more like final fantasy tactics
tepid wadi
I'm a little late to the conversation, but my only real problem with xbox game pass is that their UI is total garbage. Like every time I open the xbox/microsoft store I feel like I'm in a weird maze designed by people who wouldnt know UX if it bit them in the face.
tranquil cove
the problem is BG2 also had an amazing voice actor for Irenicus- David Warner
there's just no competing with a good voice actor
i don't care how good your game is
if you can't get the voice acting that competes with a legend you'll fall short
these people who make games today probably don't realize the impact of music and voice acting is 100 times more than their 12th gen graphics
tepid wadi
My favorite part of bg2 was playing through solo on a monk. 2nd edition monks were so freaking broken š
Gold dragon? Meet quivering palm.
tranquil cove
you get a good voice actor in a game
there is like 98% of your immersion
it's not from the graphics at least for me
tepid wadi
Different aspects are important to different people. I'm big on ambiance, personally. The look and feel of a place is really important.
vague galleon
BG1 is f-ing brutal even in starting areas. even with full plate!!!
candid quiver
Thac0 was wacko, but dialogue, chars and feels was awesomes. Just as in bg3 ^^
Tho lacked wlw ofc
So sayeth the wiiise alaaaanduo!
timber prism
1 million people think league of legends is good too
Because it is. If you don't think so that is just personal bias based on what you find enjoyable about games but any game that is continually worked on more than 15+ years is a great game.
sweet patrol
Bear guy in wukong is destroying me......
tranquil cove
man i thought you said beer guy
i was almost wait... it has a beer guy? i might get this game now
sweet patrol
There is a brewer npc
tranquil cove
i thought it was some drunk guy carrying a keg on his back
drinking and fighting you like some sort of boss
and beer belly
sweet patrol
Now I just want to see some redneck with a big beer belly using drunken master style
tranquil cove
lol
id be more interested in wukong if it had choose character
and gave you a few characters to choose from
not even custom character, just choose character
tepid wadi
Now I just want to see some redneck with a big beer belly using drunken master s...
I'd play this game.
tranquil cove
with 5 different game endings based on character
sweet patrol
I just want to whack more people with my extending staff
sweet patrol
I own and play the mass majority of the original consoles
tranquil cove
its funny that i can't criticize this game from 1980s, it's like pixel side scroller 2d art, but the music is great and the ending is great.
sweet patrol
Tell you though I love me some altered beast
tranquil cove
meanwhile i can get on the case of bg3 and write an essay about it
when games today are so amazing comparably
sweet patrol
is that why you have RANT at the end of your name?? lol
tranquil cove
the boss fight looks easy, at the end of tiger road
but only because through their playthrough this person got the tiger weapon and upgraded their life bar i think
otherwise it would be harder
and the ending of bubble bobble
the best arcade game of all time
they should make a bubble bobble movie tbh
timber prism
Bear guy in wukong is destroying me......
What lvl are you?
sweet patrol
i mean the gameplay is amazing and I know I am high enough level to beat him. His moveset is insane though I love it
timber prism
His telegraphs are pretty easy pre fire transformation
I would just be wary of being behind him because that backdrop timing is wild haha
sweet patrol
yep thats when I start having issues
timber prism
Did you beat everything before him?
I don't wanna spoil anything that you may not have done yet x.x
sweet patrol
I think so........I still need more silk though I want the bronze armor for the shatter ability
timber prism
Kk
It took me 30 minutes to beat bear. I took a break after failing and one shot only using one pot when I won lmao
Not being behind him helped a lot
Cuz I was assuming not being in his front was the idea spot haha
sweet patrol
nope he got those buns on steel
timber prism
timber prism
gratzzzzzz
tulip torrent
age of wonders 4 a fun lil realm conquering game
tepid wadi
Yeah, it's a super fun Heroes of Might and Magic style game
timber prism
Also why is the citar player scottish???
I play with Chinese audio so he is not Scottish but that is a weird choice lmao
tulip torrent
What is scottish, even?
sly dawn
Also why is the citar player scottish???
The Headless Singer sings in a distinct Chinese accent, since the speaking voice is dubbed they chose a distinct English speaking accent to distinguish.
sweet patrol
The Headless Singer sings in a distinct Chinese accent, since the speaking voice...
It was funny the first time I head his speaking voice though I was like what?????
sly dawn
something to keep an eye on in case it gets good updates
Itās extreme early access, less than an inch deep worth of content
tranquil cove
Itās extreme early access, less than an inch deep worth of content
yep
sly dawn
They stacked all the content in the tutorial area lmao
tranquil cove
could be good game depending on if they can update and also fix some qol things people complained about
if they are updating once every 2 years then no sadly š¦
this looks promising actually
tranquil cove
dev who says we read what you complained about and actually makes a QOL patch is probably a good dev
also pretty immediate patch after early access release
this was 90% of the complaints
Stamina costs have been reduced on many non-combat related actions:
Tools usage consumes 33% less stamina
Sprint consumes 50% less stamina
Dash consumes 40% less stamina
Glide consumes 33% less stamina
and they reduced the stamina costs
tranquil cove
not even 1000 playing
i dont buy games based on numbers playing
unless its an MMO, but i don't buy mmo's
since they are all terrible
timber prism
thats good
tranquil cove
survival shovelware that hits somewhat unique content = new game though, it's only repetitive when its repetitive
timber prism
i find player numbers especially early on can give a good indicator of how cookie cutter a game can be
if it isn't even generating any hype then its probably because of game systems
just watching a few gameplay videos shows exactly that
it looks very cookie cutter
combat doesn't look good
timber prism
combat looks clunky
tranquil cove
looks like enshrouded combat to me
timber prism
prefab wall building which doesn't how much customizable
customization other than angles
pretty generic survival
tranquil cove
no its just square building, that didn't stop me from buying other games with crappy build systems
tranquil cove
like subnautica
timber prism
im not stopping you from doing it
tranquil cove
or no mans sky
timber prism
im just saying it looks like shit
tranquil cove
or fallout 4
timber prism
to me
tranquil cove
all shit building
timber prism
all those games mentioned had interesting gimmicks to it
i dont see one for this game
tranquil cove
no one's done a titan quest themed survival though with greek themed mythology, and it's own style of monsters and enemies that makes it it's own game
what makes a game is the story and lore/world building
game mechanics don't make it cookie cutter
otherwise i'd buy 1 FPS game and never touch another one again and say they are all cookie cutter generic fps games
timber prism
its literally just basic cookie cutter survival with a new slapped theme on it
tranquil cove
also plenty of good games had low early access numbers in first few months
tranquil cove
that's why i posted it's a game to keep eyes on, has potential
not everyone buy this immediately
tranquil cove
yeah they can fix a lot of issues, and add more depth
and the theme is interesting since all we get are viking games right now
seeing this game reminded me a bit of clash of the titans
timber prism
<.<
tranquil cove
timber prism
all we get are viking games?
tranquil cove
yeah that cookie cutter game everyone was on about with making your own towns, just because it had a new game mechanic
timber prism
most of the more recent releases have not been viking gmaes
tranquil cove
but it looked like valheim to me
tranquil cove
yeah it was soulmask
timber prism
sons of the forest ( viking )
tranquil cove
no wasnt soulmask mayan
tranquil cove
whats the game where you make city everyone was talking about
nightingale has more issues than this early access game
i'm not gonna touch that
tranquil cove
how about listing viking games
timber prism
myth of empires, not vikings
tranquil cove
ahh yeah it was ASKA
google helped me find it, since you wouldnt
aska generic cookie cutter
timber prism
im just listing the recent trend of survival games
and they are all not viking gmes
tranquil cove
ASKA was the recent trend
timber prism
like you said
tranquil cove
it was a viking game
everyone loved it, but it's actually fitting the description of generic
timber prism
I never even heard it
tranquil cove
i mean people talked about it in this chat for 2 weeks
timber prism
not even a playerbase of 11k
i dont count that as a trend
just because it was mentioned in a discord
tranquil cove
its gonna be funny if this game blows up
what do you think of abiotic factor?
i liked that game too
tranquil cove
they have good updates
timber prism
its also not about vikings
i can actually say that there have been less viking themed games lately than non viking theme
tranquil cove
90% of what makes a game successful is if the dev team can do updates based on feedback without compromising the game vision, what the game is in a lot of ways hardly matters.
timber prism
"and the theme is interesting since all we get are viking games right now" - Valourant
im just gonna put this out here that you are way wrong on this ^
tranquil cove
yeah but all those survival games you listed seem more gimmicky than good
i would never touch soulmask or nightingale
timber prism
that is not what the topic of discussion.. it was theme
I also didnt buy into any of those games either
bc they didnt seem like they were good to me
but they sure all look better than this game you posted
sly dawn
Not reading the back and forth but dawn of defiance is probably not going to amount to much
timber prism
you didnt' miss much.. it was just valourant stating that all the recent survival games we have been getting are viking themed
sly dawn
I see a ton of purchased assets, default unreal engine animations and megascans used lol
tranquil cove
the main point was a viking themed game right now would definitely be generic
since we already have 2 viking themed survivals
sly dawn
Though I also saw a ton of megascans in the wukong files too
tranquil cove
I see a ton of purchased assets, default unreal engine animations and megascans ...
purchased assets can just be filler
doesn't mean much
sly dawn
I donāt think so
tranquil cove
no more room in hell used purchased filler assets
tranquil cove
you wont argue about how dev teams sometimes use filler assets before handcrafting their own asset?
it's literally a thing developers do
almost all of them
timber prism
all devs sell steam games using filler assets and then later replace them?
tranquil cove
using filler assets is a thing, i've seen it happen in no more room in hell 1 and 2
they do it temporarily until they can design their own
timber prism
okay.. making a note not to buy that game either XD
timber prism
cool
tranquil cove
they also replace the filler assets
it's temporary so they can test with something there
timber prism
cool once all that is done then i might check out the new one
woven folio
I think the game industry is running out of ideas now days , thats why games look so similar. As well games unless done by a huge company need earn money. Reason why we play games that are so similar too each other. Playing games for over 30years i see gaming changing alot, game development changed but so did the customers (players)
tranquil cove
also theoretically megascans is a good idea, if you create a big enough library
timber prism
a lot of factors go into that and not very good ones
tranquil cove
all games should really give their assets away freely in a library
timber prism
big companies need money.. what makes money.. things that have sold well in the past
the risk reward ya know?
woven folio
Big company like ubisoft got money to invest in new ideas
tranquil cove
funny because their games are the least likely i will buy
timber prism
they probably have some big shot number crunchers though who think they know what people want XD
tranquil cove
i only basically buy indie games
timber prism
yeah, indie games are relatively much cheaper to make
so they have much more room to make what they want
which is great
indie scene has been keeping gaming alive for some time now
but it also leads to huge asset flip games
what was the latest con?
A Day Before?
that was really bad
tranquil cove
tbh im not seeing anything too bad about dawn of defiance in terms of graphics
or the building aesthetic (ie, i like how the walls look/structures look)
or the ui - and the world map looks really cool
there are issues in combat
but then again you can 1 shot things in skyrim too
timber prism
@sweet patrol How goes the Wukong prog?!
Im a little bit into chapter 3 atm after full completing Chapter 2. Game has been excellent so far
tranquil cove
40-50$ for palworld, paxdei, soulmask, these games would have to be actual gold for me to pay that much, meanwhile i can pay $20 for valheim and get all the same hours of content i would from those games...
plus not interested in pokemon imitations
to put in perspective conan exiles has been on sale 7$ and has remained on my wishlist for like 5 years
grounded on wishlist since it came out lol
astroneer stuck on my wishlist
empyrion i overlooked, was always a less good version of space engineers
of these i got ark survival for free pretty sure, and i would return zomboid, and dont starve, and the forest if i could. not really worth having them.
same with the long dark, not really into it
i'm curious about https://store.steampowered.com/app/1458140/Pacific_Drive/
surprised pacific drive is not on the top rated
finite saffron
I don't know if anyone but valve really knows how their top rated algorithm works, it seems to take quite a few hidden factors into consideration
tepid wadi
I only know one person who picked up Pacific Drive and he loved it. I watched him play a bit of it and it was pretty cool.
tranquil cove
well it's not coop
like the long dark is good, but it's also not coop
so i'd say it branches into the survival genre of games not coop and these games have their own feel about them, more like a thriller/horror would feel
stressful š
tepid wadi
Yeah, Pacific Drive leaned into the sort of 'weird' a lot. The vehicle system was really interesting, you spend a lot of time working on your car and it has supernatural quirks and stuff that happen to it that you have to diagnose and fix.
tranquil cove
id also say the forest feels closer to the long dark or pacific drive, than it does to a coop game, even though it supports multiplayer
tepid wadi
And they're weird stuff where like "When you turn on your left turn signal, your rear passenger door will open." and they're randomly generated so each person's playthrough can have weird interesting things happen to their car.
tranquil cove
yeah, i've watched a lot of videos on pacific drive
just can't be sure i'd enjoy it
tepid wadi
My buddy had a quirk that was "when your battery runs out of power, turn the power on", which made it so his battery was permanently functioning
tranquil cove
undoubtedly a good game though
tepid wadi
Yeah, I can always appreciate when a game does something totally different. I'd love to take aspects from Pacific Drive and add them into any survival game that features vehicles heavily
tranquil cove
having a vehicle as something upgradeable that you need to take care of/fix and modify to survive is a great concept
tepid wadi
Yeah for sure. And making it in depth without being an absolute chore is super important.
tranquil cove
yeah enshrouded is not in the top rated
but i'd give it a green checkmark
don't regret purchase
tepid wadi
Wouldn't surprise me if there was a big increase in rating for Enshrouded when they hit 1.0. I bet a lot of people who were initially skeptical because of things like server based progression and stuff would be blown away by all the QOL stuff they've added already. But lots of them probably won't even look at the game again until 1.0 happens
tranquil cove
im thinking if the game is very positive on steam
then its probably ranked between 20 and 50
since probably 100s of games are very positive
tepid wadi
Yeah, "top rated" is probably only stuff that is overwhelmingly positive
tranquil cove
actually strangely i'm not finding enshrouded in this list at all
in any category
is it actually considered open world survival craft?
maybe it just doesn't have that tag
tepid wadi
Not that specific tag, nope
tranquil cove
it should have it imo
since it has the 3 tags
open world, survival, and base building = open world survival craft
lol
similar to games you've played - enshrouded
yet enshrouded didn't adopt the tag š
every game here is saying enshrouded = similar
finite saffron
Top rated isn't actually top rated
As in it's not the games with the highest ratio, I mean, they have a hidden algorithm
tranquil cove
no it's just top rated within that tag?
sweet patrol
Im a little bit into chapter 3 atm after full completing Chapter 2. Game has b...
I think I am midway through chapter 3 stuck on the voice. 100 percent chapter 2 and honestly untill I hit the voice the bosses were 1st attempt wins
finite saffron
It seems to be how recently the game released + review score + popularity
tranquil cove
As in it's not the games with the highest ratio, I mean, they have a hidden algo...
get enshrouded to adopt open world survival craft tag if you can, unless that's something steam community does for the game?
if the devs can add their own tags
imo they should add that one
finite saffron
We have it already I think, or at least we were in the survival-craft fest thing lol
but yeah those are largely decided by the community
which is an odd system tbh but it's how steam works
timber prism
Yeah, I can always appreciate when a game does something totally different. I'd ...
Yeah. I love a lot of stuff about Pacific Drive. The only issue for me at launch was that it had long checkpoints for saving so you are somewhat forced into having to play it. I usually can't game long periods of time and it kept me from buying it.
tepid wadi
Yeah, session length is an important consideration for sure. Not everyone can devote an hour or more at a time to a game
timber prism
Younger me who binged game would have definitely have loved it haha
tranquil cove
i had a storm power outage
in middle of something important in nms
and i was worried save corrupted or it didn't save for last 10 minutes
turns out the save was 1 minute ago
and all was good
raw folio
i had a storm power outage
my city decided to remove all electricity in my neighborhood while i was playing cuz of some "important work"
tranquil cove
usually they send a notice about that
but yeah that sucks if you're caught unawares especially
raw folio
they did send a notice in facebook about an hour later
tranquil cove
core keeper is 1.0 now https://youtu.be/BDeKh18TLSI
tepid wadi
OOo I remember trying it out and enjoying it when it first dropped
tranquil cove
OOo I remember trying it out and enjoying it when it first dropped
if you get back to it, old worlds are called classic
they recommend now starting a new world to experience 1.0 new features
tepid wadi
Yeah, would definitely start a new world
tranquil cove
Yeah, would definitely start a new world
my issue is i don't like their whole storage system
2 things are detrimental to base building imo, one is the storage and second is the mob farms
without a specific mob farm update, mob farm remains something developed by the community without dev support, meaning you need huge huge footprints to create the mob farm, and that means huge bases.
whereas they could add a few machines or game mechanics to really make it more efficient and better
and the second thing detrimental to base building is that storage is basically chests you place on the ground with a set size
so all bases end up being rooms filled with chests
or 1 big room with 100 chests
and they decided to make the chests in different styles/themes that clash
and my idea of base building is not to have chest rooms, it's to have a kitchen, and smithy, and rooms dedicated to certain functions, something that is impossible when chests are the dominant furniture in each room
so i wanted modular chests that are placed as ground floor
and accessed from 1 point and possibly from work stations too
and when you connect them, their storage grows
basically if you're not aware the game has 2 floor types, ground floor, and floor tiles
ground floor is the literal floor
which is removable and creates a chasm the player can't walk on when you remove it
on top of ground floor you can place tiles
so basically all chests would be hidden with my idea and just done way better, no idea why devs don't want to do it
it annoys me when there's an epic idea and a dev team ignores it
plus this doesn't replace top of floor furniture type chests
it just makes the top floor variety, truly decoration, since you have a whole modular system under your base
anyway just can't enjoy a games base building where collecting and storing items means i am cluttered with 100 chests or forced into ever expansion of a base.
obviously the issue being the 2d plane of the game too, in valheim you can build vertical and make chest walls
the modular chest idea solves that, by basically putting the modular chests on a separate plane from the player.
timber prism
misty arch
timber prism
Wasn't a fan of the game and they really shot themselves in the foot by banning outside players instead of providing a healthy sized playerbase
honest valley
also they gave the western release to amazon š
dusk bluff
NGL this looks really dumb lol
tepid wadi
After Goat Simulator's rampant success, people have embraced the dumb.
vague galleon
NGL this looks really dumb lol
it IS. I dont think I made it past the first level. but one of our Community Managers is named Toast. š
tepid wadi
Capcom has been nailing it recently, the MH team is pretty consistently awesome
timber prism
Everyone who has played has pretty much loved it
Hopefully we get the demo sooner than later
timber prism
Capcom has been nailing it recently, the MH team is pretty consistently awesome
Pretty much on a streak since 2018
Actually 2017 haha
tepid wadi
I almost don't want t a demo so I can go in blind
timber prism
I def wanna try all the new changes to weapons
tepid wadi
I've been enjoying MH since like... 2009
tepid wadi
I'm considering doing Charge Blade again. The wombo combo is so much fun
And then there's the pizza cutter thing they showed with it
timber prism
There were a lot of changes to CB for the better
I might do bow because it seems like the best iteration of the weapon yet
And I always skip bow
tepid wadi
I usually go bow over bowguns, I can't stand ammo managment
timber prism
I.cant stand range
Xd
Usually its just HH or Hammer for me
Gun Lance looks sick too this time around
Tbh. They all look good minus insect glaive
tepid wadi
I enjoy Longsword since they added the super slash to it, it always feels good to do that move
vague galleon
i played MH PSP once. couldnt get into it.
tepid wadi
One of my buddies is a die-hard Insect Glaive fan and he's hype for it.
tepid wadi
i played MH PSP once. couldnt get into it.
Monster Hunter World is like... 1000x easier to get into compared to older MH games. Huge quality of life improvements
tepid wadi
I'm not sure I'd call MH a hardcore game, but I definitely understand not being super into it
It's a very specific style of game certainly
vague galleon
i heard its harder than DS
tepid wadi
Definitely not, you were lied to.
vague galleon
hmmm
tepid wadi
Some monsters are tough, for sure, but it's not really that hard.
One of the things that makes it hard is that you'll have to find the weapon(s) that work for you. Every weapon type plays VERY differently
vague galleon
i couldnt nest the tutorial boss for DS1
tepid wadi
So it can be easy to bounce off of if you're trying to use a weapon that you hate
vague galleon
i wanted to use the 2 handed sword on tje mobile version byt it was too slooow
tepid wadi
Yeah, Greatsword is all about giant slow hits. If you want something faster, Longsword or Dual Blades might be your jam
heavy relic
Usually its just HH or Hammer for me
ah yes, a fellow hammer main š«”
I am a Swax and Hammer main meself
timber prism
š
tepid wadi
I played a bit with hammer in Iceborne, the sliding summersault ability is a lot of fun
timber prism
I really how Swax flows in Wilds
tepid wadi
I'm hoping CBlade flows a bit better, it felt kinda jank in world
timber prism
I wish it was released lmao
vague galleon
patience young grasshopper.
tepid wadi
Big anime sword you say? Definitely a longsword user waiting to happen.
vague galleon
nah. too small.
tepid wadi
Maybe use Greatsword but instead of going for charge up attacks, focus on doing jump attacks and monster mounting?
The riding attacks might add an interesting element too
tranquil cove
most fun i had in a game was back in 1997
jedi knight dark forces 2 with spork mod
you could grapple around custom made maps and rocket launch people
it was like pvp on 3d plane
tepid wadi
That does sound pretty rad. Kinda reminds me of Unreal Tournament 2004 shenanigans
tranquil cove
Whenever you're fighting with your J2K, you don't have to fear random deaths due to such annoying things as bottomless pits and drowning! J2K is beyond such petty things! J2K comes specially equipped with a Jedi breather for those times when he dives underwater. He also has the latest in grappling hook techology to save himself from peril, as well as to assist in rapid movement across levels.
bunch of us download spork, downloaded custom maps, some were really nice, even today they just transport you to starwars universe despite being polygon graphics
and then battled in free for all, with force push, grapple hook, and rocket launcher/lightsaber
timber prism
patience young grasshopper.
NO
timber prism
vague galleon
timber prism
vague galleon
Really not getting into the Moira game, shame.
signal nexus
hi guys, any base building game with farming (plants, seeds, trees, and the likes) like enshrouded? already played/playing valheim, the forest, planet crafter, subnautica, v rising, dsp
vague galleon
theres probably a TON but are they any good is the question.
signal nexus
ikr. the farming doesn't have to be the main point of the game though, but maybe a necessary part, like they are needed as ingredients
woven folio
Ark survivors evolved
signal nexus
Ark survivors evolved
do you need lots of hours to reach farming in that game?
tepid wadi
Ark's farming is pretty limited compared to Enshrouded I feel.
vague galleon
also, do you want multiplayer or is single player fine cause I've seen quite a few farming/crafting games that are cute and I would give a try myself but they're only single player so they seem kind of pointless to me without a good story.
woven folio
I have over 3500h in ark but farming is there after a few hours, plantpots with difreant veg and plant- used with eggs to make kibble to tame over 100+ creatures
If you like i can give you a link to a very nice server with good community, and nicly balanced
Old ark evolved is better then the ascended in my opinion and at moment its only about 13Ā£
Another interesting game that is not about farming but amazing to put time in - satisfactory
tepid wadi
The weird p2w stuff they're doing with Ascended is kind of offputting. I get why they're doing it but ugh.
We played on Scorched Earth but were locked out of getting high tier armors because we didnt buy the dlc š¢
woven folio
Dlc is where the real fun is. But even without dlc - centre, ragnarock., cristal isle, lost isle and i think Fjordur there was alot to do. And hundreds of hours of fun
Main thing I found about ark its the server you play on
tepid wadi
Aberration is probably one of my favorites. Either that or Extinction
woven folio
Beauty of aberration is the limitations, with extinction the beauty comes from challenges it sends your way (pods and vains)
But i like both genesis due too fact that with the mission you have too do progress thru game and fast tracking does not work
reef bobcat
yeeeesss, CROC will be remastered for PC real soon.
https://news.instant-gaming.com/fr/articles/8071-argonaut-games-revient-pour-annoncer-la-remasterisation-de-croc-legend-of-the-gobbos
sweet patrol
scorpion lord on wukong is a pain in the *** that is all
signal nexus
i'm fine with single player games. but i dont think i'll like farming games with cute characters xdd. also im a huge fan of crafting/farming games with automation possible (in progression)
for ark, will i be able to do farming if i play offline/solo with no private servers? or will i have a hard time reaching that point
satisfactory is on the top of my wishlist, but i want to wait for the release LOL
timber prism
Less than a week to go! https://youtu.be/lZOGe_00d5M?si=oLTPqTK9MtTdusL0
tepid wadi
Hype train choo choo. Everything I've seen looks excellent.
woven folio
i'm fine with single player games. but i dont think i'll like farming games with...
try Palia maybe
tepid wadi
for ark, will i be able to do farming if i play offline/solo with no private ser...
You definitely can, but I wouldn't look to ark for satisfying farming. It's a fairly small aspect of the game and it's usually just used to support some other activities. It's not really a focus if that's important.
signal nexus
You definitely can, but I wouldn't look to ark for satisfying farming. It's a fa...
i'm fine with that too XD. i only want farming as a support activity, like its only a part of the game for crafting/food
frosty sand
Less than a week to go! https://youtu.be/lZOGe_00d5M?si=oLTPqTK9MtTdusL0
"we heard you liked the Aquilla eagle, so we put an Aquilla on your arms, your chest AND your face !!" š¤
sly dawn
Yikes. Concord released Aug 23rd and going offline on Sept 3rd, refunds going out for those that purchased.
8 years of development on this game, down the drain in two weeks.
vague galleon
lol yup! XD
timber prism
"we heard you liked the Aquilla eagle, so we put an Aquilla on your arms, your c...
"That will be $20. Ty."
frosty sand
Per extra Aquilla š
untold lynx
this looks incredible
https://fixupx.com/pixelprotest_/status/1830985118875558111
frosty sand
https://youtu.be/xGMMK2I30-o?si=mw4FKMMitw-Hwlxi
I've nearly finished my first playthrough of the main campaign of Dragon Age Origins.
By the time Veilguard has been released for a year or two, and get's 50% off in sales, I'll be caught up and ready to play it š
candid quiver
this looks incredible
https://fixupx.com/pixelprotest_/status/18309851188755581...
Finally a home-remaking game with realistic ambitions and results lol ^^
timber prism
timber prism
sly dawn
Thatās not what this is for, please donāt advertise a server for Minecraft or other games.
timber prism
<@867178448212066304> it says other games and wasnt in rules
2nd line
interesting choice of words.. so you can't read and you are a bigot. XD
How did they make Space Marine 2 so optimized at the start? I was thinking i had to actually turn down settings XD
sly dawn
<@867178448212066304> it says other games and wasnt in rules
It is against the rules and refrain from making disparaging remarks
tepid wadi
Definitely looks interesting
reef bobcat
Ah there is a demo, nice.
hearty current
Anybody play SUPERVIVE?
https://www.playsupervive.com/
thick lily
oh wow wolcen is shutting down
signal nexus
I've *nearly* finished my first playthrough of the main campaign of Dragon Age O...
are you including dragon age inquisition in this estimate time š¤
frosty sand
are you including dragon age inquisition in this estimate time š¤
Ah, did I underestimate the time ? Maybe I'll be caught up by the 2030's, 2035's? š¤
signal nexus
it actually depends on your game time XD. but inquisition is really long if you want to complete or not rush it
(i've never managed to finish it lol)
frosty sand
I don't even prioritize it all that much. Only just got past the alienage in denerim for Origins, and there's all the dlc and stories after the main game too.
Gonna take me a while š¤
signal nexus
true, take your time and just wait for the sales or one might even get it for free
timber prism
heavy relic
lilac adder
those playing WARHAMMER SPACE MARINE 2...how is it? Is it challenging?
timber prism
I haven't played the hardest diff yet
the second to hardest (veteran) wasn't that challenging
I dont know if you have played Vermintide 2 at all.. but it would probably be between champion and legend diffs
tranquil cove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNJdeP3PPbI
pvp meh, and only a 3 player coop campaign
im only looking for games that emphasize coop mainly
the guy just said also that campaign has no progression elements
so i'm doing campaign coop with no progression? whats the point
i don't understand the operation mode
is that also coop?
the problem with horde shooters is they funnel hordes through linear pathways 99% of the time too
so i'm really just shooting down a chokepoint and not worrying much about my back, and if i am worrying about my back a team mate is also shooting down a linear pathway there too
hell divers 2 is different because the enemy can come from anywhere on the open map
i don't feel like i'm shooting down a hallway because there are no hallways
warhammer is looking more like a zombie game
because of the linear horde patheway problem
timber prism
the guy just said also that campaign has no progression elements
There is progression in campaign. You unlock new starting weapons for missions. Operations is literally coop pve content with classes and progression for perks and unlocks.
tranquil cove
oh okay, so operations is also 3 player coop
timber prism
Yes
tranquil cove
i also notice he said some missions have the enemy coming from anywhere based on atmosphere/planet design
so i guess they tried to solve the linear hallway horde thing
timber prism
Okay and?
timber prism
Then wait for a sale
timber prism
Cool
tranquil cove
you can see why i cant pvp
i become super toxic
and i dont have fun, and trust me nobody else has fun either
so i avoid pvp
timber prism
I can see that. Yes
tranquil cove
unless it was like roleplaying PVP
when i play a character it's less serious and more fun
gotta stay in character etc.
sweet patrol
https://youtu.be/Jt4XOPiPJHs?si=Y9QBHjcF5uK2SQz8
Time for conveyor belt spaghetti!!!
I absolutely love satisfactory but I am total rubbish at logistics.
tepid wadi
Oh man, that reminds me of the "Let's Game it out" satisfactory videos š
Looking forward to another one of those in 1.0 release
ember kiln
Oh man, that reminds me of the "Let's Game it out" satisfactory videos š
Oh, man.
sweet patrol
Looking forward to another one of those in 1.0 release
ah yes the giant conveyor tornado!
severe horizon
Hi all zijn hier Nederlanders of belgen aanwezig?
tranquil cove
good review of space marine 2
"Customization is pretty good. Level progression is alright. Gun play is alright. I like the Warhammer 40k story, but I absolutely don't care about Titus and gang's story. Especially when he start's off with deathwatch (which is badass) but then immediately goes back to being a regular Ultramarine after the tutorial. Operations were fun, they're basically dungeons or strikes in destiny. Then you play them in Ruthless difficulty and it becomes a joke, just toss in more elite enemies with guns and make them deal more damage that'll make the game more hard, not annoying at all. It also doesn't help that your shield takes too long to recharge. Also Armory data is annoying, you only get them if you win which is alright up to Substantial difficulty, but in ruthless enemies take a year to kill and you can't upgrade your weapon unless you beat the operation, even then you need to find the Armory data in the mission to get one, so you could take 30-40 to finish a ruthless operation and not get any upgrade material, just so your weapon can do 3-4 more points of damage, basically wasting time. Also you may not even beat the operation because you get que'd with 2 "Crayon Eater" Astartes that go down and get killed every minute. Also you get a 2 minutes respawn timer if you die in ruthless. The weapons kinda suck, the main one you'll be using is the Melta Rifle cause it's probably the best one that shreds the horde of enemies you'll be fighting every 10 seconds, all the others are bb guns. The best classes are Heavy, Bulwark, and Sniper, 90% of my games I get matched with a Heavy and Bulwark. And you better hope someone on your team doesn't choose them, cause you can't choose the same class. In a PvE game mode you can't choose the same class. That's about it. Can't really say much about PvP cause I only played one game, the enemy team death balled and we lost, But I hear the balancing of classes is really bad. So 6/10, wait for a 30% off sale."
i had to edit out 200 words to fit it in one post, but they were kinda trollish extra sentences anyway, after the guy already wrote what was wrong.
sweet patrol
I think starfield has an issue!
timber prism
good review of space marine 2
"Good review" ... more like review i agree with even though I never played the game.
Its unbelievably weird to post reviews of a game and state its a good one when you haven't even attempted to play along with starting with a negative viewpoint filled with wrong assumptions
tranquil cove
"Good review" ... more like review i agree with even though I never played the g...
i'm good at deciphering negative reviews and seeing which ones are more personal preference based or just bogus, and which ones might have some credibility and a grain of salt of truth to them minimally, of all reviews there this was the only one that actually talked about everything. every other negative review was just trouble running the game mostly. though i did see one criticizing pvp, but it was vague - they just said the PVP was unbalanced and worst they ever tried, saying it was clunky etc. with no real explanation why.
this guy is not being vague in his review, he's stating things in more detail about the play modes, classes, and weapons he tried, but the big issue seems to be how they scaled difficulty. i think a lot of players in general agree that scaling difficulty by making a game more grindy isn't the best way to scale difficulty and ultimately is just annoying like this reviewer stated. the matchmaking also sounds a bit tedious tbh and upgrading guns. so yeah i think it's fair that they said wait for a 30% off sale when the game is $80 for some people, sounds about right.
timber prism
Laughable response
"I'm good at deciphering reviews" when they agree with my initial impression based on watching videos
The person even turned their brain off to the story because they didn't agree with the route they went on the start of it
tranquil cove
Its unbelievably weird to post reviews of a game and state its a good one when y...
it's only because i read negative reviews before buying a game, and sort of mostly ignore the positive reviews, and this hasn't stopped me from buying games because like i said i can sort of tell which negative reviews are bogus or not. it's all about the problems you're willing to accept in a game, compared to what you think is good. i am not saying space marines 2 is bad, but i am saying i'd probably wait for a sale personally or some patches to roll out. helldivers 2 wasn't a guaranteed great buy in the beginning, and today after all the bug fixes and updates and balancing it's probably going to be a better game. maybe space marines 2 will be as well so i could just buy it today anyway. that being said good game, but on these issues this person listed it maybe needs some more consideration for those specific issues.
tranquil cove
The person even turned their brain off to the story because they didn't agree wi...
i think they played previous games or something, or maybe warhammer fan so they had their own ideas in mind, but yeah thats a good example of a personal preferenc type of ciricism vs. is the story actually good or not regardless if you prefer that story.
but i am sure the story is good
from what i've seen of gameplay i'd be surprised if the story wasn't well thought out
timber prism
Posting spoiler reviews is just weird
tranquil cove
what do you think of PVP you tried it?
timber prism
I haven't had too much time into it but its fun. It definitely has balance issues atm but adjusts it by only allowing one of each class
tranquil cove
in the original video posted here, the youtuber said they dislike that the jump pack was limited in operations? but in campaign you can jump further.
timber prism
As class type games go different modes have different class preferences
tranquil cove
i haven't played the game, but i just agree, because i like mobility, and they sound credible, they were saying that class with the jump pack is sort of one of the weaker classes so being able to jump like in campaign would level it with the other classes.
timber prism
I'm a firm believer that it is better to try something yourself
I think its balanced fine in that regard. Campaign jumppacking was OP and should not be the standard outside of it
While you think this review you posted is good I personally have to disagree. The person thinks the melta rifle is the only good weapon in the game
Thats like the equivalent of someone posting about Helldivers saying "only x is good" which is so far from the truth
You state you are good at discerning the difference between objective and highly bias reviews but it doesn't seem like it.
tepid wadi
Everyone I know who has played the game has loved it. Still anecdotal evidence, sure, but they also like games that I like so their opinion is important to me š¤·āāļø That's more important than any steam reviews, to me
tranquil cove
well it actually has 10k negative reviews too
i was expecting 4k or less from how the game was hyped here lol
40k positive though, but 10k negative is like 4:1 so probably some issues even for people who like the game
and like enshrouded is 46k to 7k, really we could say its 50k to 5k ratio
to put that in perspective
still 46 to 7 is like 6.5:1 ratio right? unless i can't math
much better positive to negative ratio score
i mean all of this i guess doesn't mean much except on initial release maybe
valheim has 400k to 25k so 16:1 ratio
space engineers known game with some problems - 113k to 15k is 7.5:1 ratio
No mans sky - 258k to 58k, is 4.5:1 ratio
i guess nobody re-reviewed the game after the initial bad fallout
but also maybe this points to 4:1 ratio being good for positive/negative review ratio
anything less maybe is indicative of something bad
yikes stardew valley has 714k to 12k lol 59:1 ratio
helldivers 2, 641 to 261 is 2:1 ratio - damn they got a bad ratio
too many people can't relax and wait for the devs to fix things
probably will take a year or two to reflect a more accurate score
too many people upset with the nerfing of things, even though the game was still easy on hardest difficulty
now the devs are making the game carebear super easy land
so i'm a bit annoyed at the back and forth pandering to community, but i wouldn't call that a fault of the game, just the devs and community combined
1/10 community
8/10 game
tepid wadi
Well, I think one of the things about Space Marine people might not like is that the campaign is pretty short and there aren't that many operations. My buddy finished the campaign in one day, so I can see how people who don't like replaying the same missions wouldn't like that very much.
That's understandable, but they're also planning to support the game over the next couple years, so more content is on the way
tranquil cove
Well, I think one of the things about Space Marine people might not like is that...
yep i saw someone write about that in negative reviews
tepid wadi
And it sounds like the core of the game is super good for most people
candid quiver
I dont really get spending the energy to post reviews of games i dont like and arent gonna play smh ^^
Im like 'so this game doesnt speak to me is all' and let it be at that.
finite saffron
I only tend to leave reviews if the game had problems that I feel weren't obvious. Like major technical issues, or the store page feeling misleading to me, or something. If I just don't like the style of a game, but it seems like something other people would like, then yeah I just refund it and move on.
tranquil cove
i usually don't write a negative review, i think majority of my reviews are positive, or positive with criticism lol
but i can see why people might write a negative review if they are stuck with the game
and for reasons toast said
candid quiver
This was not about you writing reviews.
tranquil cove
i wrote this negative review for hellcard because coop was none functional
"Largely advertised for its coop, but no one is playing coop currently, with 100 average users online only... it's just not for me at this time, i might buy it later if it develops more. My whole time in the game was spent searching for a coop game, never actually had a chance to play, not interested in single player."
i spent like 3 hours searching for a coop game and then refunded the game
candid quiver
Which is not what the context was.
And it also have nothing to do with the behaviour i commented on
tranquil cove
what can i say except i never said it did, comments in public chats remind people of their own experience, toast started his response with "i tend to leave reviews..." i did the same? what's the issue?
candid quiver
Context
tranquil cove
i did exactly what toast did, sorry i don't understand
candid quiver
Toast posted a random review of a game they do not want to play?
Written by someone else
tranquil cove
aren't people allowed to respond and talk about whatever they want within the rules?
candid quiver
smh never mind.
tranquil cove
toast wrote about when they leave negative reviews, so did i? and then i went further and gave an example
we both know your comment wasn't about us, but we spoke about what we do
because comments like that usually get that type of reply, peoples experiences
heavy relic
https://youtu.be/5kZlWBkC0Mk?si=IkI_uXb_uIhXDEEo
this game looks like game of the century
I cannot contain my excitement!!!
timber prism
I dont really get spending the energy to post reviews of games i dont like and a...
Exactly this. Its weird to just try to search through negative reviews to find confirmation of an opinion they formed without having played said game all the whole asking questions and making statements without understanding how the game actually is. Its even more weird to calculate ratios on positive/negative reviews as if that has any actual meaning to get more confirmation on saying a game is good or bad. Lmao.
candid quiver
Yeah that ^^
timber prism
"It was so hyped in here. There is a 4:1 like to dislike so why is that happening."
candid quiver
(Im not interested in space marines but ive no reason to 'spread the word' its silly ^^)
timber prism
Indeed haha
candid quiver
People like diff stuffs ^^
timber prism
Thankfully. It would be pretty boring if we all liked the same things all the time
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tranquil cove
Exactly this. Its weird to just try to search through negative reviews to find ...
who said it was confirmation of an opinion formed?
i look through negative reviews for all games - even games i end up buying. so more clarity on this statement, i own 320 games, and i looked at the negative reviews before buying all of them. which in my case has lead me to be fairly happy with like 98% of my purchases.
usually this is before forming an opinion, or when having a mostly positive opinion
and so, for example, if i have a belief like pluto is a planet, i will often google "pluto is not a planet"
so i do my fact checks in the negative sometimes too
ie. i search the dissenting opinion from my own
then i'll either disagree with what i find and continue to hold my belief, or i might change my mind etc.
it depends if whatever i find is convincing enough, if the negative reviews for a game are convincing enough i will not the buy the game, if they aren't i will, or i might hold on buying or wait for a sale, it depends on the sum of what the reviews are saying.
but hell yeah i definitely read the negative reviews, because they usually contain information i can't account for, even after watching gameplay videos (which is part of my process of buying games too) unless i played the game 10 hours
plus i think the negative reviews can sometimes reveal something about the game you werent aware of, which i often further confirm from other negative reviews saying the same thing, or from videos etc. and then i'm buying the game without surprises and i can decide if that something about the game, is actually a negative for me or not.
since sometimes it can be partially or fully subjective
timber prism
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timber prism
who said it was confirmation of an opinion formed?
Look... you formed an opinion the other day saying "pvp meh," complained about it only have 3 player coop campaign not having progression ( when it does ) Also, I had to explain operations to you ( since you didnt bother to look it up ) and generalized the game as a "zombie horde mode." Followed by complaining that it was AAA pricing. You wait a day.. then come back posting a review saying its "good" after editing it since you confirmed it had trolling in it but has the guy stating "good" points like "I coudn't be bothered to pay attention to it because I disagreed with it what happened at the very beginning." and that you should wait on a sale ( which goes to confirm with your "its not worth AAA pricing." ) To pretend it isn't some confirmation to what you already thought prior then I dont know what is.
Even when Zerax pointed out that everyone he knows that has played it enjoyed it which is also the same case of all my friends except one... you go and just try to shit on his statement going, "Well it has 10k negative reviews too."
Its like your begging for someone to actually agree with you
tranquil cove
Look... you formed an opinion the other day saying "pvp meh," complained about...
yeah but i never said the game is bad
i am anti pvp, it just means i don't consider that part of the game at all, it doesn't exist for me
tranquil cove
Look... you formed an opinion the other day saying "pvp meh," complained about...
AAA pricing used to be $60
i don't think any game is worth $80
i also bought most of the games i own on sale with few exceptions, and the exceptions weren't $80 usually
tranquil cove
like i wouldn't pay $80 for the top 10 games that i loved and have zero criticism for (and it's rare for me not to have a criticism)
maybe if i made a good salary, but i'm poor
so complaining about pricing just means i don't like pricing, doesn't necessarily mean a game is bad or something
candid quiver
Looking up things for oneself is one thing,
The posting of found negativity to a public channel is the thing, as if
"Look! See? See?", kinda.
silk atlas
Hi ! There is this new upcoming indie game that gave me some sort of Wartales vibes (but very different) if you wanna check : https://store.steampowered.com/app/1370940/NovaMundi/?utm_source=Frekigery
tranquil cove
Looking up things for oneself is one thing,
The posting of found negativity to a...
you see negativity but i see good feedback/criticism, why should all posts here be one sided about a game?
candid quiver
you see negativity but i see good feedback/criticism, why should all posts here ...
you do not have any informed feedback to give in this case. also stop dodging the actual criticism, its just tireing.
tranquil cove
_you_ do not have any informed feedback to give in this case. also stop dodging ...
does it say #other-games this is the channel is where informed people say "portal knights?"
candid quiver
And; please, you do not have to ping/reply to me all the time - there is a reason i comment in general and not in a reply (earlier).
(Its still about you posting random negative reviews on a game you do not know; to score "see? seeee?"-points. that is not having feedback. cut the ego-act)
tranquil cove
everyone has different levels of being informed, i did some research, i watched gameplay videos, and read reviews
i didn't play the game, but i didn't lie about playing the game either
candid quiver
(smh context lacking, comprehension under 9000.)
tranquil cove
plenty of people posted here without playing a game before and commented "negatively" (according to you) on said game
saying they wouldn't buy it etc.
i don't get why i'm always singled out for behaving the way others do
tranquil cove
of course you're done because you have nothing
i don't move goalposts you just minsunderstand at every opportunity lol
because your ego is invovled in your personal vendetta against me
it must be sad to dislike someone so much online lol
im always minding my own business and staying on topic, if you never wrote to me in the first place we would never interact
don't talk to me and then get all mad YOU decided to talk to me lol
untold lynx
what uuh
arriving here after the fact but
what the hell
the next time I have to put my snack down to read all that, everyone involved gets a time out
please let me finish my snacks 
candid quiver
I'm sorry, i was being overly annoyed, i will behave better!
thick lily
v-rising free to play this weekend btw
candid quiver
Excerpt from an interview with Nightingale Dev, some kudos for Enshrouded among it:
_"With a major update on the horizon, Flynn says that "if I could go back in time and deliver this [updated] version of Nightingale back in February, I would." He also, however, says that this update has been shaped in part by the success of those other games, telling PC Gamer that his studio "went through Enshrouded, Palworld, V Rising," to assess player perception. He found that "it was really the structure that stood out as something they offered that we were not offering. Players told us that they want to be creative and wanted to explore the limits of the building system, but those limits were too small, too narrow."
Personally, I thought that Nightingale's 'gaslamp fantasy' stylization meant that its building systems were a lot more interesting than, say, Palworld's, although I'll note that Enshrouded's efforts - much closer to something like Valheim - may have left Flynn's efforts behind..."_
wispy socket
Anyone been playing space marines 2? Steam ID in my bio if anyone wants to connect and play
honest valley
you see those gamers from hammerfell? they got curved monitors
tranquil cove
i had an option to buy curved monitor, but i couldn't really commit to it, felt weird and i think at the time i read of some drawbacks, so i settled for none curved HDR monitor https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/M27Q-X-rev-10 this one precisely, which i'm happy with so far.
i used to have monitor that did adjustment for turning left and right as well, but then realized that orientation of adjustment is not really necessarily, you only really need the tilt and up and down extend/descending.
timber prism
Anyone been playing space marines 2? Steam ID in my bio if anyone wants to conne...
Space Marines 2 and a curved? W
vague galleon
i love my asus monitor. so old but still going strong. only an LCD though. not an LED.
and my secondary is a dully colored element that was an unused display model. was always looking at it and snatched it up when they put it on sale
tranquil cove
i loved my old monitor took awhile to get used to the colours on this one
humble slate
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mortal leaf
Just my 2 cents but if we couldn't form an opinion without buying and playing said games, everyone would just keep getting scammed...
I'd say that's the reason why gameplay trailers are a thing, you watch it, you see clunky animations and/or cringe dialogue and you decide to ditch on the game. Spreading your thoughts is up to you but I don't think it's a bad idea to discuss games that we think are bad. Especially not in this era, where a narrative is very often being heavily pushed at the expense of the quality of the games as a whole (I'm looking at you, Concord & Dustborn).
And yes, your searches on Google are biased thanks to its algorithms, so it's a good idea to "counter-search" but an even better idea to use a different search engine. :/
candid quiver
Just my 2 cents but if we couldn't form an opinion without buying and playing sa...
What is the train of context?
mortal leaf
Oh I was just reading the previous 30-ish messages
Valourant, Ticonz and yourself seemed to be discussing this type of topic
timber prism
I would go into details of that discussion but we were already told it would result in being muted
sweet patrol
So who wants to talk about light no fire!
reef bobcat
Welp refunding Nightingale. That's a clunky piece of junk atm
misty arch
So who wants to talk about light no fire!
would love to if we ever get any new news about it
sweet patrol
Welp refunding Nightingale. That's a clunky piece of junk atm
amazing concept though but yes very hard to play
reef bobcat
amazing concept though but yes very hard to play
agreed
timber prism
So who wants to talk about light no fire!
I hope its good!
There really isn't much else to go off of atm XD
I'm curious how it will turn out with being able to see buildings of other players. I hope there is some reasonable decay system so we don't see a newbie housing graveyard if they don't continue to play the game
sweet patrol
For me its the scale of it. The thought that you and a friend could both me on the same planet but be days travel apart in real time not game time
If they manage to pull it off it will be absolutely groundbreaking
finite saffron
Technically speaking scale isn't all that hard, I mean even minecraft already did what you described... Technically. But doing it in a way that it actually feels meaningful is the hard part with proc gen, so I hope they can find ways to achieve more varied/convincing generations than with NMS (which were already pretty good)
sweet patrol
Oh and the adorable rabbit people
finite saffron
I hope they put more into the flying than what they showed in the trailer, from what they showed it seems like they mostly used the same tech for NMS ship flight and replaced it with a dragon model, but it feels very stiff and fake because of that
They should get in touch with this indie dev, would love to see a game with the open worlds Hello Games can make combined with some really convincing flight animations/tech like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXqXhk0T-bU
tepid wadi
Welp refunding Nightingale. That's a clunky piece of junk atm
Dang, I was hoping the new update would pull it together. I love the theme of it.
reef bobcat
Dang, I was hoping the new update would pull it together. I love the theme of it...
It doesn't look terrible - just the gameplay is very unpolished and janky
I would not expect the final product to be nearly as polished as this game.
tranquil cove
For me its the scale of it. The thought that you and a friend could both me on t...
scale is good so long as it doesn't end up feeling generic or empty
which is what you end up having to sort of fight against when you scale up a world
after playing NMS for the last couple of months, i think there is a ton they could improve and work on... on one hand it's really amazing all the work they put into the game and how far they've come since release, with tons of content and updates. but also there are many many ways i could see the content is expanded or improved upon especially with building.
timber prism
They should get in touch with this indie dev, would love to see a game with the ...
this looks awesome
tranquil cove
seems like a lot of games though are in the same predicament, where they have smaller teams, only so much time, and a player can think up tons of ways to improve or add to the game... so every game feels like it's in a state of not being completed or not giving 100% satisfaction - think NMS, valheim, enshrouded, corekeeper, etc. all fall into this category to name a few.
tranquil cove
I hope they put more into the flying than what they showed in the trailer, from ...
i want air ships
cause when i think of airships
i think of this song/cartoon https://youtu.be/qW5_PqSdI1I
no reason light no fire cant have airships and dragons
time for a mashup of flight modes
sour flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXpfbP9Ml_4 free to play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
reef bobcat
That has good building also.
tepid wadi
I like a lot of the ideas the building in Once Human has, but some of their implementation feels like it has some kinks to work out.
Attaching some building pieces was driving me crazy because of the nuances of how their snapping works.
Overall, quite a fun game though
reef bobcat
The assets they use are copy/pasted from a previous game. The building was kinda janky in it also.
tranquil cove
i place floors, and want to snap stairs? took me 30 minutes to snap the stairs
reef bobcat
But I still enjoyed it
tranquil cove
and only because i figured out i needed to remove the floor so the stair can snap
then guess what?
the floor wouldn't snap back in place
30 minutes later, guess what i did?
tepid wadi
Yeah, TL:DR their building pieces have a "facing" that only allows you to snap in certain directions based on how you placed it. So when you place a certain way, you can only snap a certain way.
tranquil cove
changed my design, and decided not to put the stairs there.
tepid wadi
And it makes it REAL hard to build creative structures
reef bobcat
It can be very frustrating for sure
tepid wadi
Which sucks because their "base defense" stuff is pretty cool, in theory.
tranquil cove
Yeah, TL:DR their building pieces have a "facing" that only allows you to snap i...
weird
reef bobcat
That is a game to take a look at after a few updates imo
tepid wadi
Yeah, it's funky and real annoying. I figured that out after MUCH experimentation