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timber prism
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this is why i tend to play hardcore

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so i have that fear of dying ending my chraracter to keep me going XD

tepid wadi
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Yeah, I enjoyed the story in D4 but there basically isnt any build dedication. Like I made a barbarian, but I have no incentive to ever make another one, at least until huge changes are made. Meanwhile I've made tons of characters in poe and theyre all significantly different.

timber prism
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I like D4 graphics

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thats about it

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the story was actually pretty cool too

tepid wadi
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Last Epoch is also really great for build diversity.

timber prism
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the cinematics were the highlight

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especially the ones towards the end

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I haven't palyed any of the newer seasons of D4 but just the way the skill trees etc work make diverse builds.. just not a thing

tepid wadi
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Yeah D4 is beautiful, but it didnt really innovate on gameplay in any meaningful way

timber prism
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it was all supposed to be worked into the items but the early seasons kinda forced you certain ways

tepid wadi
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Even their next league is just taking good mechanica from Last Epoch 😝

timber prism
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i haven't looked into it at all haha

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i liked how you got special titles in hardcore

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to flex on softcore players xD

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fighting the world boss for the very first time on HC was amazing

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during beta

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when no one had any idea what the mechanics were ahaha

tepid wadi
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Yeah for sure.

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Fighting it for the 50th time is less exciting though

timber prism
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yeah

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i was a survivor and got the title

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but watching that cleave one shot like 5 people on the first move was scary hahaha

tepid wadi
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Yeah for sure. RIP melee characters 😛

timber prism
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melee was the way to go!

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i played a barb

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so i always hugged it

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being ranged and getting that poison dot would just wreck people

tepid wadi
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Learning mechanics as melee is dangerous

timber prism
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yes but the RUSH

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XD

tepid wadi
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Oh yeah, I love melee, but its dangerous sometimes.

prime burrow
candid quiver
tepid wadi
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Cant wait to dive into that after I finish DD2

candid quiver
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Its one of the best open world adventures in a while imo,
Side stories are well written and fleshed out and theres sooo much.

prime burrow
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what game is it?

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looks nice

candid quiver
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Horizon Forbidden West ^^

autumn badger
random locust
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Hi chat ! I have a question ...

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What game do you recomand same as Valheim, Enshrouded ?

quaint cosmos
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Tbh, I really can't think about it. These are the best 2 survival games with skill building and building shelters/bases anywhere.

jagged tree
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Dayz

red hull
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Depends, Scum also is survival hardcore and building that can get raided

candid quiver
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Breath of the wild, tears of the kingdom, conan exiles. ^^

prime burrow
red hull
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Yes, i have played Medieval Dynasti and is super cool 🙂

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Its time consuming a bit haha🥹

random locust
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Thanks a lot guys and girls !

prime burrow
candid quiver
lunar flame
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The new Tellytubbies is certainly darker than the original. 😅

candid quiver
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Lol ^^

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Its a build in TU i started today, might call the map "GnomeHome" ^^

neon sleet
lilac adder
lilac adder
candid quiver
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Forbidden west is 3rd person ^^

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The second, its up to you. shrugs shoulders

lilac adder
random locust
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how about HELLDIVERS™ 2 ?

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worth to buy it

candid quiver
tawny trellis
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indem spiel dragons dogma 2 gibt es eine quest " das läuten zur ruhe ". da muss man ein buch namens totenglocke der nation finden. ich glaube ich habe es schon benutzt ausverehen... gibts eine mÜglichkeit, das buch wieder zu bekommen? weil sonst brauche ich die quest gar icht weiter verfolgen.

candid quiver
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I believe the server rules ask for us to keep conversations in english - sĂĽ svenska tack! ^^

tawny trellis
honest valley
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SAURIANS, CUT OFF THE TAIL!

tawny trellis
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das war a drachen^^

tawny trellis
tawny trellis
tepid wadi
dusk bluff
tawny trellis
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ich kann nur deutsch

vague galleon
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ich ben ien berliner.

candid quiver
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Also rules

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(Boring, but rules) ^^

dusk bluff
misty arch
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timber prism
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Once Human next test opens on the 3rd

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Anyone who had access before will get access again

vague otter
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Icarus is a great game that is very underrated.

tawny trellis
lilac adder
misty arch
lilac adder
unkempt urchin
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I've been playing this in between Enshrouded and Grim Dawn sessions. I co-op ENS and GD, but this is a fun combat/loot game.

tawny trellis
finite saffron
tranquil cove
# finite saffron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syhUwppBmjI damn people have gotten a lot better...

games like that are so bad, hearing footsteps of people who are 20 meters away is a joke, i know they designed it for gameplay aspects, but i think giving that much information to players actually ruins the game. hearing should work the way it does in real life, if you're outside you likely wont hear crap over birds singing and wind. and inside sound wont travel far through walls or if there is carpet, it's as if every person is wearing high heels or tap dance shoes while having the hearing of superman.

that and in some of these games like insurgency, glass stops bullets. NOT just handgun bullets but full on sniper rounds, and I am thinking what the heck kinda glass are they making in Kandahar... like is there just bullet proof glass in every store window everywhere? glass shouldn't prevent a kill shot at all. if anything it should be adding extra damage to wheover you shot from the shards hitting their face too. (yes im aware at ranges of 1 mile, glass is factored into a sniper shot because it can slow a bullet down and maybe alter its path slightly)

these games are just joke arcade games imo, that are mostly map memorization, if they were procedurally generated maps they would be more skill based, because it's no longer about who knows the map best, and who knows what sight line to camp because players just spawned and will run out into that sight line etc.

the last element to show it's a joke arcade game is the grenades in CS, throw a grenade right at someones feet and they are still left with 30 hp, then they shoot me and i die. THE heck, are they the 6 million dollar man? iron man? how can you withstand a grenade, I should have gotten rewarded for taking the time and effort to land a grenade so well, instead I'm the one who dies, even though they shot me after the grenade exploded. Joke game.

finite saffron
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(my comment was a joke btw, the player in that video is blatantly hacking lol)

tranquil cove
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yeah he aimed at his foot and then headshot through smoke

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but my point is even without hacking these games are terrible

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take the AWP gun, if you wanted to design a gun solely for a noob, what kind of gun would it be? well it would be the most long range weapon you could design, because noobs would die if the enemy realized where they are, and it would be a 1 shot on body kill gun, because a noob can't aim for the head to get kills in time before the enemy realizes where they are.

finite saffron
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Honestly I play all manners of shooters, tacfps like this game, arcady shooters, milsims like squad or arma. They're all good in their own way and serve their own purpose.

tranquil cove
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and there you have it AWP is the most noob gun

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in reality the best most skilled sniper rifle to use is the scout

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you need a headshot, you are forced to aim, to be good, to be quick, and likely are at a disadvantage if you miss even once.

finite saffron
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I mean that's by design actually, counter strike has an economy system. The scout is dirt cheap and the awp is the most expensive gun in the game. So it's a big investment but you are rewarded for good economy management by getting an OP gun

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Hence why the game is played in rounds and the first team to win 13 rounds is the winner

tranquil cove
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i don't even think the shotgun 1 shots on body

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i disagree with the economy system because it just creates a cycle of 1 team having the most money really

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and it's not necessarily because that team was most skilled

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and we know for a fact the grenade doesn't even 1 shot on body lol

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plus most people are wearing body armor

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though a grenade wouldnt help your legs even with body armor

finite saffron
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Yeah sounds like you just like milsims, all of those things you mentioned are by design and I think if you asked most TACFPS players they would say they like those things and don't want them to change. Grenades one shotting would make a lot of players upset lol. The economy doesn't actually create a snowball effect though so I will correct that, the cheaper guns reward more money for kills, and vice versa. It's a system to create more macro strategy and decisionmaking, I.E do I want to spend more money to increase my chances of winning this round, or save money to increase my chances of winning future rounds, stuff like that.

tranquil cove
finite saffron
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Yeah I mean I don't think most fps players want the game to work like reality

tranquil cove
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thats why you remove awp, and remove grenades

finite saffron
tranquil cove
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maps like office are too small for grenades anyway

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should be stun grenades and flash bangs

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they should have had it that you can only bring certain weapons to different map missions imo

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as required by the mission, for that situation

tranquil cove
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i dont think the troops in ukraine are hauling equipment or doing paper work all day

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lol i think they are sitting in a trench all day though

finite saffron
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Yeah most of war is not very "exciting", it's just miserable. 99% of the time is not spent fighting cool hollywood battles, so generally I am not a fan of the realism argument. Ultimately games are meant to be fun, even milsims. Games like squad are much more realistic than other shooters, but still make a lot of concessions for the sake of not being incredibly boring to play

tranquil cove
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thats true

finite saffron
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So yeah I think most cs players would agree it's not realistic at all, cause it isn't lol, but a lot of that more snappy fast paced arcade feeling is the whole reason people find those kind of shooters fun

dusk bluff
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If I want real life fps I'll go enlist.

finite saffron
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Or play airsoft and watch as that guy you definitely shot like 15 times sits there and pretends you missed

dusk bluff
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I miss being 12 and shooting the neighbor kids with airsoft lol

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NVM it was CO2 the green gas is the weaker one. Also tshirts and shorts.

tranquil cove
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imagine having to inflict real pain because people lie

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i'd rather just get my own group together and we all agree to tell the truth

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lol

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it should be that way already within the community imo

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realism in paintball/airsoft is that you get shot in the arm, so you cant use that arm, and need to tie it to stop the bleeding first before you can shoot with your other hand. i think that would be fun.

tepid wadi
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I did a paintball match once where someone was the "juggernaut" and they only died when they tapped out because of the pain. I did not envy that man.

tranquil cove
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and you give everyone red scarves

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to indicate injured limbs they cant use, that were tied to stop bleeding

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so only body shot would count

dusk bluff
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It felt like a bee sting for a minute or 2 and then it was fine. We didn't shoot for the face or the crotch.

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Same reason we didn't use nerf guns or water guns. Didn't shoot nearly far enough and with nerf 90% of the time you didn't even know if you got hit lol.

merry moat
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Anyone playing Valheim and want anyone to join in?

quartz tendon
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buddy the point of enshrouded is to be a better version of valheim with its own aspects as well lol

hardy turtle
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2719590/Light_No_Fire/
This looks amazing!

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tepid wadi
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Oh yeah, with the improvements that NMS has seen over the past years, I think LNF could be really good

vague galleon
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Construct Additional Pylons.

lilac adder
tranquil cove
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ive been playing NMS none stop the past week too

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i wish more things were customizable in the game, i also think the wiring system is dumb, even if you can hide the wires later on.

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preferrably i'd like to customize ships we currently own, rather than building custom ships because even if you build them you can't edit them

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and refining things 250 at a time in a refiner gets old fast

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wish i could drop 1000 in a slot, or somehow use the 3 slots the refiner provides, with the refiner knowing in which cases i want to combine, vs which cases they don't combine and so it just straight refines from all 3 slots, this would give me 750 refining at least

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i think the devs just want you to make 10 refiners, and i always disagree with game mechanics that force quantity like that to save time, it wouldn't even save time to have 1000 in 1 refiner, just saves me having to micromanage it.

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would have also been nice to have some ecology, like kill off ugly animals and have pretty animals survive lol

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or even terraform some planets, maybe ways to change the stupid yellow filter on the water

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or shift the sky colour to blue

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i guess i'm not an explorer 😛

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i dislike finding imperfect things, or 1 perfect thing in an imperfect system lol i just want to create what i want

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like i found a beautiful planet, but it has ugly life

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or i find a neat planet with cool looking life, but it has yellow filter in the water

tepid wadi
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I mean I guess that's the "point" of exploring in NMS. Everything is so random that to find a "perfect" planet for you is really difficult

tranquil cove
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wish i could adjust that systems spacestation colours

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lol

tepid wadi
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Yeah 🤷‍♀️ Or find another system that is better

tranquil cove
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even though that has nothing to do with the planet, its part of the system as an example of the planet being good in the system, but the space station is not as pretty as others

tranquil cove
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it's why i am not a super fan of rogue likes

tepid wadi
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Lol then I dunno how you can stand NMS. The entire game is RNG

tranquil cove
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i like some rogue likes, but they are done well, but usually dislike them

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yeah and if the RNG is 2% or 1 in 2500 chance, it's really bad

tepid wadi
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yeah, I understand for sure. There's an "acceptable" level of randomness that everyone has to decide is okay for them

tranquil cove
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since 2016

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compared to other games, in 7 years, i'd probably have 800 in other games

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i've only really been playing it more now, since i've been waiting for them to drop more updates over the years to give the game more depth, since just exploring was not enough for me.

hardy turtle
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Based on what i heard it sounds like we won’t have to wait 5 years

tepid wadi
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Rumor has it that they're going to try and have it out this year, but we'll see

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It'll probably be pretty bare bones if it is

hardy turtle
hardy turtle
tranquil cove
tepid wadi
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I'm gonna keep my expectations low so I can be pleasantly surprised if it's full featured when it comes out

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But yeah, if nothing else, we can be confident that they'll dedicate the time to make it good.

tranquil cove
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i just wishlisted it also kind of funny comparison

hardy turtle
tranquil cove
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yeah thats why i started playing again

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im behind on a lot of content for nms, i dont even have a freighter

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and i only made a bigger base just this week

hardy turtle
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I just restarted last week so im way behind. But I’m liking it more now the a year ago when i tried it.

tranquil cove
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same

tepid wadi
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The freighters are cool, though they kinda make it so planetside bases are meh.

hardy turtle
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Hmm. Maybe it just depends on if you want to be in space more then planet side. But that reason there make the new game sound that much better. A whole planet to explore. That’s crazy but sounds so cool at the same time.

tranquil cove
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anyone can tell me why there is a 250 limit on base refiners

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lol

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does it get up to 1000 somewhere else, come on no mans sky devs, how can you oversight this

hardy turtle
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Lol yea i wondered that as well. Im like really? Why only 250 at a time

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Is there a way to mark your auto miner locations? I havr like 4 spread out over large distance and i think i forgot where all but 2 are lol

tranquil cove
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On survival, you can only have a quantity of 250 resources in your suits general slots. Refiners output is limited to the max a single slot can hold of that item. On normal all slots can hold 9999 resources.

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so that's why, i'm survival 😄

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i mean my ship can hold 1000 of each item, so can cargo containers

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and my inventory can hold 500

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there's a whole crisis forum on it https://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/0/1736588252405918493/

For Love of the God please increase large refiner capacity! :: No M...

I cant eat I cant travel I cant move I must keep filling refiner full.. lool. Please I am begging get me out of this loop. The capacity of end product 250 is just tiny.. I wanna be able to set my refiner and come back in 1-5 hours instead I am forced to keep staying at it and taking goods out putting goods in.. Its madness.... We should be able ...

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all i know is i am never picking up 7000 mould again

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its taking forever to refine

finite saffron
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I mean to be fair the steam forums has a crisis forum on anything

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the people there are weird

merry moat
hardy turtle
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Oof

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Then play both.

tranquil cove
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Valheim has serious issues i wish didn't exist, that are solved by 100 mods, but i also played it 800 hours, and there are things i like in it that enshrouded doesn't have as well.

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also custom ships in valheim when?

merry moat
hardy turtle
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To bad tou need 100 to make it better

merry moat
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It's meant to be challenging

tranquil cove
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i played 800 hours in vanilla, but only commented that there are mods to solve all the issues i have with the game.

merry moat
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Agreed about customizing ships tho

tranquil cove
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i don't mod though, instead i expect the devs to implement proper fixes into vanilla.

merry moat
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And some mods make the game better for sure, I just don't have time and patience for it, especially since it's EA

hardy turtle
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I just wanted the graphics to be little better and when maybe building little easier. I couldnt build anything correctly the first time I played it haha

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Valheim is still ea?

tranquil cove
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yeah valheim is EA and smaller dev team

merry moat
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They really should be implementing community upgrades of they're great ideas. They did with the stacks but it's just one of many

lilac adder
merry moat
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Had a friend that was complaining about stutter and asked him sys specs. Still had a hard drive.

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Not everyone is a wealthy American

tranquil cove
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i like the valheim graphics, but also my graphic level for a game varies and is a low threshold depending on the game and it's style.

lilac adder
merry moat
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Yes Val is early access, they release a biome at a time and a few minor additions. But overall very solid and fun to build in. If you haven't played Satisfactory, also another fun game. I'm not a huge fan of the devs tho tbh

hardy turtle
merry moat
tranquil cove
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their PR guy is a legit troll - i don't get how he has a job in PR (like toast here is a saint by comparison)

merry moat
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Coffee Stain

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I think they hate Americans but we're their primary audience

finite saffron
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Coffee stain is a publisher, valheim was original developed by a team of 3 friends over 7 years or so, and has now been rapidly expanding their team since launch

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Or maybe 5 friends or something idk, the numbers are inconsistent when I google it. Either way very small

lilac adder
merry moat
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I had issues when I was trolled by a server admin who falsely accused me of using resources in his seed that were "banned" by him yet he didn't remove them. I never actually used them but he had said that I could anyway. He was/is nuts. But he kissed up to the admin and got me banned for calling him out

dusk bluff
finite saffron
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Also yeah our game wasn't really meant as a sorta direct upgrade to Valheim/Valheim 2.0. I mean we obviously had a lot of inspiration from Valheim, but we had our own ideas and direction we wanted to take Enshrouded, they are different games. No harm in enjoying both at once, I know many of our devs do.

tranquil cove
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all i know is i've been in a lot of game discords, and valheim PR guy was most unpleasant of the rest lol, core keeper is a swedish team too, and they have super nice and friendly people.

merry moat
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I asked what I did and was just told that I violated discord rules. According to discord I didn't do anything

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Yes

hardy turtle
merry moat
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They're all tools

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Make a good game but are stuffy and arrogant I think

hardy turtle
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Im not asking for enshrouded or nightingale level of graphics.

dusk bluff
tranquil cove
merry moat
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Valheim has plenty of room for improvement, but at this point I think the devs just want money and a following

lilac adder
neat niche
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yall see nightingales new patch? they really are slowly hurting their player base... as small as it already was

merry moat
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I actually hate anime. I prefer it to be realistic

finite saffron
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A lot of devs have little to no public speaking/PR experience, wouldn't surprise me if the Valheim devs were "doing their own PR" like many indie devs do.

Honestly they're usually not actually terrible people, it's mostly that they don't understand that talking to a massive audience is very very different than talking to your buddies. I mean obviously most of them are gamers at heart, and gamers tend to not be known for being the most agreeable groups of people on average lol

merry moat
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I don't know what you're talking about Toast. I'm everyone's cup of tea.

vague galleon
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See. the toast gets it.

hardy turtle
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tranquil cove
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but yeah anime type characters in games only works for me in final fantasy series

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and maybe metal gear/ older games like chrono cross etc.

merry moat
hardy turtle
tranquil cove
merry moat
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It was blocky and dark and not overdone or punky looking. Goofy fake looking hair is no thanks.

neat niche
merry moat
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Beyond started to shift it to a modern anime look, wasn't as.. mysterious to me I guess

neat niche
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They made it hurt even more to craft

merry moat
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XMen is always good

tranquil cove
# merry moat XMen is always good

there is a new series now x-men 97 meant to take after the 90s art style of the show, it's basically a continuation of that show. same voice actors mostly.

merry moat
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Realistic scifi and reality make the best super heroes. Superman was based too far out in space and seemed unrealistic to me

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But wolverine was a modified human and Batman was just a rich guy and tech mostly

hardy turtle
neat niche
lilac adder
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as much as i hate to love conan exiles...it did graphics right and gameplay right too...if only they could figure out combat :/.

neat niche
merry moat
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Best game ever is Starcraft 1, unless you didn't ever play it regularly

neat niche
hardy turtle
neat niche
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@hardy turtle they legit trying to speed run their player base into the zero

merry moat
tranquil cove
hardy turtle
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But why would they want to do that?

tranquil cove
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i also like the conan world

hardy turtle
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I tried liking starcraft but warcraft always won me over.

merry moat
neat niche
# hardy turtle But why would they want to do that?

no idea. but its what their doing. people def aint happy. they made every gun that was crafted before this patch useless. thats how they got rid of the cheat guns. so now everyone has to recraft. and with you needing to use different ingots. they hard nerfed the guns cap/dmg

hardy turtle
dusk bluff
merry moat
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I also play TF2, just have to kick the bots

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I wish Valve cared more

neat niche
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if you dont mind graphics Abiotic Factor was an amazing game during both its demos.

merry moat
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Starcraft required high apm and micro to be good at it. Scouting was a must, careful scouting

hardy turtle
merry moat
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Knowing maps and rushed too

hardy turtle
neat niche
hardy turtle
neat niche
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So now stats are hard capped. and id like to point out for magick stats. we had 1 good metal and 1 bad. so magick builds are trash now

hardy turtle
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Imo ,They should of just left the cheat guns till they came up with a better fix.

finite saffron
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Now I am curious, what was the cheat? Stacking way more of one resource onto a gun than should be possible?

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(Haven't played that game yet)

neat niche
hardy turtle
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finite saffron
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I doubt they hate their playerbase, they are probably struggling to recover after what seems to have been a subpar launch. Especially if they are aiming to be a live service game, which it seems like they might be.

hardy turtle
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Oh then they should of just blocked the reclaim ingot stack ability

neat niche
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Honestly the demo for nightingale was fun, but while enshrouded demo delivered what it promised... nightingale feels like a rug pull

hardy turtle
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They should of waited they had yo go against enshrouded and palworld

neat niche
hardy turtle
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I think they were hoping to ride the train that those two games started but couldn’t keep up and failed

neat niche
finite saffron
merry moat
neat niche
merry moat
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The graphics aren't great but its a solid older style game for like $2

hardy turtle
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I think the studio was a group of devs from a big studio that came together and this is their first game.

neat niche
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We have enshrouded, Abiotic factors has had 2 demos that where both bangers, Foundry looks like satisfactory mixed with minecraft.

neat niche
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finite saffron
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Yeah that's totally fair, I just like to correct that attitude when I see it cause I can say from experience of working on a failing game, usually the devs care way more than anyone else. Usually way more complicated things are happening behind the scenes than "not listening/caring". Almost always it comes from financial stress on the studio, pressure from publishers/investors, or maintaining playerbase (in the case of live service games). Often to do those things you're sorta forced into making decisions that will piss off your existing players.

neat niche
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@finite saffron they self published so theirs no one above them

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hardy turtle
neat niche
finite saffron
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(also by devs I was referring to the team, at studios of that size the vast majority of devs aren't making those decisions you're talking about)

hardy turtle
neat niche
hardy turtle
finite saffron
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(it's still happening)

neat niche
neat niche
hardy turtle
finite saffron
#

The amount of devs I know who haven't been laid off in the last 3 years I can count on one hand

hardy turtle
#

Ouch

finite saffron
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Or I should say that I know personally, like outside of work

neat niche
finite saffron
#

Publishing teams especially (CMs, marketing, etc) got hit especially hard

neat niche
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Which is dumb cuz atm the game industry is kinda booming. still is from covid if i recall... people just game more

hardy turtle
#

What was the reason for it all anyways?

finite saffron
#

Embracer group overinvested and is in a death spiral, one of the biggest investor groups in the industry

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overinvested, couldn't pay back shareholders, lost shareholder trust which left them with even left funding, and thus the death spiral

hardy turtle
#

Ah how lame

finite saffron
#

During all the chaos many other publishers, investors, and studios used the PR chaos to quietly lay off their own employees without really getting noticed

hardy turtle
finite saffron
#

Which isn't uncommon, it happens in the automotive industry a lot too. One big company has major layoffs, and then pretty much every other company will silently do the same while the media is focused on the first one.

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Much easier to deal with the bad PR when you're just "part of the industry layoffs", instead of the headlines being about your company specifically

neat niche
#

@finite saffron bright side. my play group will now spend more time in enshrouded lol. or hell diving. and we still waiting for next month. just sucks 2 games we been watching drop same day lol

quartz tendon
tepid wadi
hardy turtle
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Yea just to keep their pockets fuller

finite saffron
# tepid wadi Yeah, this is the part that makes me so mad. It's all so useless, so many talent...

Not only useless but actively detrimental tbh, that stuff hurts companies in the long run. But when shareholders are focused on quarterly profits and not long-term health of a company that doesn't really matter.

It's also why I tend to avoid publicly traded studios as much as possible, an industry that takes several years to build and release a new product is not a good match for chasing quarterly profits.

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, for sure

tranquil cove
#

companies are weird about profits too, actively dumb rather - like they refuse to give people proper salaries to reflect their work, or give them bonuses or raises that are substantial or mean something, to the point of losing that skilled employee... and then all too often i've seen the company had to hire 3 people to replace them and the amount of work they were doing anyway, which cost 3x as much as giving the original person a raise - like what the hell? and lets be honest, a 10k a year raise for an employee in a company that makes millions and millions of dollars on the stock market is nothing, 10k is peanuts, it's actually what the accountants write off sometimes when things don't balance because the company is making 60 million a year. LOL and they would rather lose the employee than give them the money - all in the name of their bottom and line and profits.

merry moat
quartz tendon
#

get therapy

merry moat
#

Why do you continue?

quartz tendon
#

i told you why asking people to play valheim, on a discord made for enshrouded, instead of a game that is much better than valheim, is stupid there’s also a valheim discord but i guess god forbid you ask to play valheim on the valheim discord. god forbid we ever used logic that preschoolers could understand, right? i’m probably not have your age, but if you were smart enough to realize, you would know older does not equal smarter. are we done here?

merry moat
#

Maybe it isnt me who needs help. What does your cat say about your current condition? I think I might have really upset you by not agreeing with or really valuing your response to my post at all. May I offer to simply block you?

quartz tendon
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read what i said and then cry me a river in the valheim discord

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alright? oggatyboogaty?

merry moat
#

Read what I said about the Valheim discord and then cry yourself a river if you need to keep treading water so badly.

quartz tendon
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lmao you’re delusional

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you didn’t say a word about any discord

merry moat
#

Again, your evaluation of me, my post, and Valheim is simply disregarded. I know that's tough to hear for an opinionated person online but there it is.

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I did. Maybe just not to you...

quartz tendon
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bro you are plagued with stupidity

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or brain rot

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either way you failed your parents and vice versa

merry moat
#

But since you're not nor never really were the target audience of my post I think it's best to just end this convo now. I wish you and your cat well.

quartz tendon
#

do you just talk to talk? have the day you deserve i’m sure i’ll hear from you again but i’m out bye

merry moat
#

Now it's about my parents... Personal attacks and calling me stupid - you do realize that just makes you look ridiculous and lame right?

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Lol

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Good. Likewise. Cya

quartz tendon
vague galleon
merry moat
#

Recent reviews are much much better and it's still dirt cheap

vague galleon
#

ya, i think someone else bought it but they didnt do much with it either.

merry moat
#

They did.

vague galleon
#

how recently.

merry moat
#

I still get updates sometimes for it and you can even talk to the dev

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Active in the forum

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I haven't played it in 8 months?

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But that's only cuz the guy I was playing with ditched it for another game

vague galleon
#

havent played it in 5 years.

merry moat
#

It's a lot less fun alone, like all open worlds

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Check out the change log

vague galleon
#

and that was a while after it had gotten rebought.

merry moat
#

Ahh, no it got bought and then sold again

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The current dev did something with it

vague galleon
#

looks like last updates was 2022.

merry moat
#

It saw updates within the past year or so

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Yeah

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Its solid now

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An older style graphic etc but I had zero issues when I played

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Challenging and rewarding

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A fun game overall

vague galleon
#

maybe I'll check it out again one day but it was pretty darn bare boned the last time I played it.

merry moat
#

If you're bored sometimes and have a friend with an old pc

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It's great for older systems

vague galleon
#

im honestly surprised it's had any updates lol

merry moat
#

I mean I went back and tried to play Fallout 1 and 2 cuz of such fond memories but it was difficult and clunkier than I remembered

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The graphics were worse than I thought lol

vague galleon
#

ya, i cant do the old baldurs gates. UI is too outdated.

merry moat
#

But the story and dark humor were so damn good

vague galleon
#

AND it's a BRUTAL game.

merry moat
#

Baldurs I did pick up again years ago and beat

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It was good

vague galleon
#

i couldn't even survive the early areas.
and thats WITH getting the fullplate early on.

merry moat
#

Hmm

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I think I use bow and run

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I forget

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I often like ranged characters

vague galleon
#

my character was probably a melee class light fighter or paladin

merry moat
#

Yeah, you take hits and it's fine till ya meet a boss and minions

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Gotta micro around

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Reload and strike the boss first

vague galleon
#

I really need to find time for Scared Gold

merry moat
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Especially if spawning more minions

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I have it

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Like so many games I pick up and put down

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I waste time on supreme commander 2 still

vague galleon
#

im mad at myself for not sticking with it when I first got it. now Steam version dont work, gotta play GOG version

merry moat
#

I have discs of C&C 95 with the DLC and Total Annihilation

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Might even have the Prima. I know I have the one for Morrowind

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Is Sacred multiplayer? If it is I can jump on with ya

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Guess I don't own it, but it's $10. So offer stands

vague galleon
#

maybe another time. im pretty hooked on enshrouded right now, but ya, technically it is, but you might need a 3rd party program to do multiplayer.

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i was talking to people about it when i first played it but then got distracted by other things.

merry moat
#

Or Sacred 2 also

vague galleon
#

ha..... no, just the first.

merry moat
#

1st better than 2nd?

vague galleon
#

absolutely.

merry moat
#

Well at least one person loves 2, and says it's better with each update lol

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No idea what the review date was

vague galleon
#

🤔

merry moat
#

But that's the case in many games, original is best

vague galleon
#

its an ancient game. hasnt had an update in over a decade.

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there's also technically a third but it's trash.

merry moat
#

Usually run dry if ideas by the third iteration. Some devs try to take it in a new direction or change genre type altogether (looking at you Bethesda) but fans are often disappointed.

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Bungie actually had a lot of success in both ways

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Made winner after winner. Staying true to Halo and changing it

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One could argue the Halo series is the most successful of all time but it has to be at least one of the most

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Even the show is good imo. Steven Spielberg is an executive producer so hard to imagine it going badly wrong

vague galleon
#

one of my favorites is Torchlight 2 but if Torchlight 1 had multiplayer I would have kept playing it. Torchlight 3 was made by other people and while it did some things I liked with the base and pets and visually looked great, the gameplay loop just didn't engage me.

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oh I LOVE halo, waited FOREVER for the MCC (never owned an xbox ironically) but you cant PAY me to watch that dumpster fire of a show. XD

merry moat
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Yeah a lot of the dungeon crawling games can get repetitive

vague galleon
#

torchlight 2 is the only RPG i've actually maxed out a character on, or one of very vew. and ive maxed 2.

merry moat
#

The gf and I like the show but it's new to her and I played Halo 1 and 2 in the day

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So it's a bit refreshing of a storyline when I'm like "oh yeah, forgot about that"

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I know others who hate it and some who love it

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Nothing pleases all

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Played Halo 3 and ODST overseas when deployed in my limited off time

vague galleon
#

I played all the halos except for 5 and infinite but ya, as someone who loves halo and master chief, they f-cked a lot of shit.

#

I think one of my biggest issues from what ive heard is that HE CANT KEEP HIS HELMET ON
like "oh but how can the actor be expressive" i dont know... MAYBE LEARN HOW TO ACT.
UHG.

merry moat
#

Haha

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Well, it's the same issue with everyone who's played Batman

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An actor wants to sell his face

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Hard to act when you're just being emotionless tough guy

tepid wadi
vague galleon
#

i never had faith in the halo show either. and I KNOW they're doing an alternate storyline but ||WHY DID THEY KILL KEYES ON REACH?!! and Why was Chief OUT OF HIS ARMOR?!||

tepid wadi
#

As a very casual halo enjoyer, I've always been kind of under the impression that the armor is one of the things that actually keeps him alive 🤷

vague galleon
#

well i wouldn't go that fair but the entire game you NEVER see his face, you get one Legendary teaser of his eyes after like halo 4 or 5 and that's it.

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so to have him constantly without his helmet is WEIRD

merry moat
vague galleon
#

meh

merry moat
#

If you want more action may I suggest John Wick or a Jason Statham movie? Haha

vague galleon
#

i just hate people who take another person's IP and reworks it to sell THEIR vission. You want to share your vision? MAKE YOUR OWN STUFF

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freaking JJ abrahams.

merry moat
#

I mean, Halo > Transformers?

vague galleon
#

🤷‍♂️

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i liked the first transformers.

merry moat
#

Yeah, but Fox is crazy and gross now imo lol

vague galleon
#

eh. almost every famous person is not a good person.

merry moat
#

Also, I dislike a lot of the superhero movies period. They're overdone to death

vague galleon
#

yes and no.

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it's nice to actually have a few decent ones now. growing up I barely had any and most werent that good.

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problem is the mavel movies while not bad are Safe.

merry moat
#

On the other hand I feel the X-Men are underused

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So many untapped character stories there still

vague galleon
#

true. lots of unused characters abound

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WHERE IS MY STATIC SHOCK MOVIE

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although they'd just mess that up. T-T

merry moat
#

You sure you didn't play a lot of StarCraft? T-T was a thing there

vague galleon
#

no. I certainly played it, but not a lot.

merry moat
#

So was "woot!"

vague galleon
#

thats just l33t speak.

merry moat
#

It all came about mid 90s

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To early 2000s

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We half invented emojis

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My friend and I started saying woot and it caught on

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Next thing I know I'm seeing it as an online store etc

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I had 60k games logged on StarCraft over about ten years

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Some of course weren't played through but others were 2 hrs

vague galleon
#

i was more into Diabo.

merry moat
#

Big maps and carrier wars could take a long time to end

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I have the battle chest but bought it later

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Of Diablo, in new like condition

vague galleon
#

i bought the diablo chest pack thingy like 3 times lol. just out of necesity. XD

merry moat
#

I didn't wear mine out lol

vague galleon
#

well me neither but i sold/traded away my original and years later I wanted to play it again. then I moved away from home and wanted to play it again.

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If I was a mod I would put you both in time out.

merry moat
#

So that is a photo of someone else's cat in your profile photo? A little strange, you just really love cats. But who am I to judge?

merry moat
#

Anyway, I think he just wanted to interrupt the convo. Want to buy my Diablo chest?

vague galleon
#

lol nah. I have D2 Remastered and Torchlight 2.

merry moat
#

Nice

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We should try Savage Lands sometime

vague galleon
#

maybe. we'll see if they improved it at all.

merry moat
#

Jump on it. Just don't ride it like a 🐴

vague galleon
#

Im not sure when I'm going to play anything besides Enshrouded. love this game. XD

merry moat
#

But playing a shittier older game is going to make you keep loving it. Haha

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Good to take breaks and not burn out

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Guess I'll have to buy Enshrouded. How finished is it?

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Been on my wishlist and have steam friends on it

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Others want it

vague galleon
#

Uh, im not sure. it's a pretty solid game but theres a lot more coming.

merry moat
#

But I often wait till games are older and cheaper

vague galleon
#

same

merry moat
#

I have like 400 games, mostly unplay led

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Unplayed*

vague galleon
#

i bought this and last epoch full price on a total whim and i didn't care for last epoch but got sucked into this on the first weekend with it.

merry moat
#

I believe it, I know I'll like it

#

Valheim has Ashland's soon

tepid wadi
#

Enshrouded isn't even close to finished, but it has easily 50+ hours of gameplay. And for an Early Access game, it's remarkably polished. You're probably pretty safe treating it kinda like Valheim where you come back when they do major patches to do new playthroughs or do the new content.

vague galleon
#

50+ lol, more like 200+

tepid wadi
#

50+ is like if you don't do much building. If you do love building? Unlimited

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The voxel system is second to none.

vague galleon
#

unlimited then

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the only other voxel game I recall is Planet Explorers and that.........sigh

merry moat
#

I do be liking to be building stuffs

tepid wadi
#

Just make sure you build the construction hammer. One of my friends built her first house without it and oh geeze did she have a bad time.

vague galleon
#

T-T

merry moat
#

I made so many awesome buildings on other peeps servers on Valheim but people always be shutting them down and stuff

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I think one guy just was jealous and wanted to claim my work as his own

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Have a friend who runs a PvP server who is a way better builder than me tho

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And another female friend from Poland who had grand plans for a while city, made most of a sick big castle and burned out on it

vague galleon
#

ah shame

merry moat
#

I don't build with resources I don't gather. I'm so vanilla

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Yeah. My own house is good but not that good

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Do you have any cool builds in Ensh I can see?

vague galleon
#

nothing impressive yet.

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i have a small town thats a work in progress.

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and i like my main building a lot but it's very basic.

tepid wadi
merry moat
#

Aight, I'll have to YouTube the building and then decide if I want to buy it yet. May not get cheaper. Anyone seen it on sale?

tepid wadi
merry moat
vague galleon
#

I want to eventually hit up the "infinite building blocks" map but like, eh, i dont care that much.

merry moat
#

Also, gearbot warned me. Lol

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At least I didn't get suddenly banned and then when I ask about it never get a reason.

vague galleon
#

hmm

merry moat
#

I like it better here already, seems like a civil response

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You'd think you'd get a warning typically

vague galleon
#

i keep forgeting not to type the full F word in here. XD

merry moat
#

I wondered if the fake link in my profile was their reason.

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Really? Isn't the game for adults? You'd think the forum would allow everyday lingo

vague galleon
#

🤷‍♂️

merry moat
#

I mean, I don't know hardly anyone under 40 who is afraid of the f bomb

#

It's common language today

vague galleon
#

ya. >_>

merry moat
#

I mean where I work the leadership curses. But it's military so..

#

But I know it's that way in hospitals and police stations too etc

tranquil cove
#

I'll do like 1 playthrough like that, but afterward if i want to do a huge build project i'd totally use the enshrouded resource worlds. in valheim after 6 playthroughs we just bring resources over from other worlds once we beat the initial run.

#

decided not to @ anyone because the convo was 1 hour ago lol

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and it's not important just talking about myself 😄

merry moat
#

Conversation doesn't always have to be directed. I often like to think out loud in text

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🙂

vague galleon
#

indeed

tranquil cove
#

eh no mans sky failure

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cant wire power from 1000u away

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electrical hotspot not found near my base 😦

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and thats how someone quits a game 😄

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too much bother to move my base to the hotspot

#

i don't know why devs can't figure out that it's a hassle the way they designed it and people get demoralized and step away from the game for another year

#

base building in NMS is a huge pain in the butt imo, extremely grindy on top of everything

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now i need to fly around the dumb planet for 2 hours

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until i find an S class hot spot near a good location in the water

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and rebuild the whole base

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SO much grind

quaint cosmos
#

There is so much in NMS now, but I haven't touched it in a while, so I feel lost in it. I am really glad they added so much, but yeah, grind to be rich or with the best gear and every slot is really my only goal in that game.

tepid wadi
#

I mean that kind of is the only goal in that game

#

One of the inherent challenges about exploration games is that they end up with no real goal or end point, so you get to a certain point and you're just kind of done

tranquil cove
#

i hope light no fire has 50% of the world as land, and when you get to end game or close to it on land you begin to unlock tech to begin the other 50% of the world, which is under water. so basically i want subnautica inside a full survival crafting land game on top of it 😄

#

the ocean stuff in nms is good but not that deep

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like 20 plants 5 fish, some minerals and base building with a submarine but not much to do under water after

lilac adder
# tepid wadi One of the inherent challenges about exploration games is that they end up with ...

true and which is why i think valhiem did good. exploration gives you stronger materail and gear that helps you move the goal post of your exploration..not to mention you had a base to strength and rebuild many times along the way due to raids. it's a perfect formula for survial craft. Now moving to RPG's without survial craft...something like a wticher 3...you need great graphics and addicting combact w/ large enemy varieity.

tranquil cove
#

i think a good end game for light no fire would be you build a space shuttle, and then go to a new world in a cutscene, where you start all over again but you get benefits or unlock new content, since they have procedural world generation... (so a bit like a rogue lite)

#

perhaps progressively more difficult worlds if they can spawn harsher worlds, or add terraforming to the game

lilac adder
#

do we know if light no fire will be surival craft or just pure rpg? i thought it was just an rpg like wither or something

tranquil cove
#

pretty sure it has base crafting

tepid wadi
#

We don't really have much info.

tranquil cove
#

making it a survival craft

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no we know it has base building

lilac adder
#

id imagine it would be since no mans sky is primarily that...but..from the trailer...it didnt look like it

tranquil cove
#

and i think technology evolution was implied

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so like civilizations game, you start with crap, and then build tech eventually

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, we just don't know much about how it will be set up. It may not end up being more surival craft ala valheim, may be more craft/rpg like New World or something.

#

There also seemed to be tamed animals/mounts in the trailer, but 🤷‍♀️ who knows exactly how it will work

#

Lots of room for possibility until they give us more footage

tranquil cove
#

"Light No Fire is a game about adventure, building, survival and exploration together. Set on a fantasy planet the size of Earth, it brings the depth of a role playing game to the freedom of a survival sandbox."

#

from their website

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so it's NMS on a planet, 😛

lilac adder
#

so valhiem basically

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but with the graphics that i want

tepid wadi
#

Maybe. We don't know how progression works, so it could be more sandboxy than that even. Valheim has a very good vertical progression system

#

But if htey go with more horizontal progresison, it could be interesting.

tranquil cove
#

im typically not into 180 degree turn fantasy, like in the video someone is riding a song bird

#

lol but whatever, i think ill look past that

lilac adder
#

the vertical progression of valhim sometimes is discourging...like once you reach the tippy top point of the first biome...you know you have to rinse and repeat for the next one....maybe horizontal is the way to go

tranquil cove
lilac adder
#

let me watch the trailer in slow motion so i can analyze

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brb

tranquil cove
#

this is like

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alice in wonderland fantasy

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LOL

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there is a hare riding a bird

#

the game gonna make me laugh, more than criticize it at this point

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you can play as a BUNNY

#

whaaaat

lilac adder
#

lol sounds like they are beating the modders to the punch

tepid wadi
tranquil cove
#

there is sailing ships

tepid wadi
#

I worry about flying mounts because of Ark, flying super trivializes most mechanics in the game and it makes things not great in a lot of ways.

tranquil cove
#

you can play as a dog, hare, something with antlers? and some sort of reptile maybe?

lilac adder
tepid wadi
#

Yeah, I agree, but that game style doesn't make people want to exist in the game permanently, which is something that LNF is going to really want you to do.

lilac adder
#

i've never seen a game do flying mounts right...best was zelda breath of wild and that was via hangglider

tranquil cove
#

i wonder if combat will be good

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and also im not seeing tech advancement sadly

#

was hoping you start with bows and arrows, and end up with laser guns

lilac adder
#

im most scared of combat tbh. too much range in NMS...not sure they can do meele

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, there's lots of stuff they have to get right

tranquil cove
#

i like when a survival crafter

#

does old tech, for lets say the whole length of current valheim playthrough

#

and then you start getting into technology

lilac adder
#

im okay if they dont get it right as long as they have the potentail to later...conan exile is stuck never getting combat right becuase they'd have to redo everything

tranquil cove
#

so basically i want two survival games in one 😄

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plus subnautica.

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lol the game would end up being 300 gigs

lilac adder
#

tho thier first attempt at that was ...meh

#

not a fan of the idea from going midevil to now using guns and computers etc but it's promising enough for me to keep my eyes on it

tranquil cove
#

where you basically do bow and arrow, wood houses, unlock iron, steel, and then eventually mass production? and microchips and all technology? but spread out enough that the pre technology stuff could be its own long survival game?

#

games have done this but the transition is either too fast, or too easy

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plus like i said if you unlock tech, you could then build submarines and build a whole game out of exploring the ocean

#

but this is like 3 games in one

#

people usually focus on one thing in their games

#

" Light No Fire is employing similar technology to generate what the studio says is "a truly open world, with no boundaries at a scale never attempted before." The idea is to create a planet the size of Earth – at scale. "

#

yeah i mean mounts make sense.

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and you can encounter other players and their structures

lilac adder
#

no mans sky achieved the ambitious sure buut...through a cheat really. procedural genreated isnt he swame as elden ring / gta 5

tranquil cove
#

my issue with no mans sky hotspot is they aren't visible, you use your scanner to find them and they remain invisible, the scanner just tells you, oh yeah this spot is good for whatever. for minerals it's fine, there is usually a hotspot every 300u, but for these energy hotspots they are spread out too much and you can't see them so it's a bit different than say rimworlds thermal geysers, those you can see on the map and then plan your base around them.

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so to find a hotspot i need to fly around every 1000u, and land and use the scanner and slowly/fly walk toward it if i pick one up, and then see if it's an A/S hotspot rating, and then finally go around and see if i'd like to build my base anywhere

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whereas if they were visible, you could do all that from your ship in the sky, and just end up a lot easier building your base in the right spot.

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just such a hassle gameplay, it adds no value

#

it just pisses me off tbh

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lol

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i get they wanted to make the scanner useful though but if this stuff was visible we could still use the scanner to get an A or S, B or C rating for it - plus i think part of the issue is there is only 3 power systems in such an expansive game. solar (only works in day), biofuel (manual refueling), and this hotspot power (which provides the most power).

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like you can't have such an expansive game, with only 3 ways to get power

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this is why the base building is still lacking imo

tranquil cove
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man i really hate no mans sky right now

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3 hours grinding a planet trying to find an S power hot spot

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that also has a good mining spot beside it, and can fit an underwater base

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painful game mechanics, even hard to find a good A one

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the main problem is, its hard to find one at all, the devs must have been insane to make it that rare, let people power their bases wherever they decide to build their base.

tidal osprey
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As much as I'd like to enjoy NMS, I've never made it past the initial building tutorials. Something about the whole sequence just doesn't sit well with me. It's just too convoluted. So yeah.

vague galleon
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NMS is one of the rare few survival games where i said F it and just got a save file editor.

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i did that for everytging but ship seeds.

royal otter
candid quiver
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I put the "bases have power always" custom diff toggle in nms i think.

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Something like that.

merry moat
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Anyone want to play Valheim?

lilac adder
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that said..mod overhauls have made this better...buuuut...stillllll

tranquil cove
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Thief and the outer worlds are free on epic

supple parrot
autumn badger
neon sleet
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Didn't outer worlds have mixed reviews for a solid couple months?

autumn badger
dusk bluff
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Anyone play Banishers?

untold lynx
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finished Sons of the Forest with my friends las night. Enjoyed it, but perhaps not as much as The Forest. I think there was perhaps a stronger emphasis on survival/building in the first game, which I liked a lot.
I really did like the various vehicles in the second game, though. They're very fun. Overall a pretty fun experience, but I don't think I'd come back to it.

tranquil cove
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everyone was telling me to play predecessor and get it, because it's 'free' and i was like ew a MOBA, won't touch that with 100 ft pole

lunar flame
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Like CP2077?

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Or Death Stranding.. ?

tranquil cove
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lots of people like cyberpunk 2077

lunar flame
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Yeah... It goes back to the Justin Bieber principle.

tranquil cove
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death stranding, you get to play daryl from walking dead, and carry cargo, CARGO! on your back! 🤯 what's not to like?

lunar flame
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One of the most tedious "actors" of our time.

tranquil cove
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death stranding was also free on epic games is that what you mean?>

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i got it too, but never played yet

lunar flame
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"Ohh, hey... I was dank and greasy in my last role.. maybe I should play dank and greasy again?"

tranquil cove
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there are actors who act

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and actors who are the role

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both are good and needed

lunar flame
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Why didn't he turn up for either?

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🤣

tranquil cove
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christopher reeve was superman

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arnold was conan

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i'm sure someone was batman but it wasnt george clooney

lunar flame
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Oh lawd... Please no.

tranquil cove
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lucy lawless was xena

lunar flame
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I actually had to watch the Clooney debacle again, after Fatfleck.

tranquil cove
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even in her x-files episode, she was behaving like xena warrior princess

elfin shale
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And Lucy Lawless wasn't Xena in Spartacus -- despite it being a vaguely similar setting.

tranquil cove
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also i never saw sparticus

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arnolds iconic roles were terminator and conan sure

elfin shale
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Arnold has a lot of iconic roles, but he doesn't really change how he acts for a lot of them.

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Terminator is a lot less camp/comical than a lot of his other roles though.

tranquil cove
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but conan is an important one, its basically how he got into movies, because of his body builder looks

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though there was like 2 movies before conan, one is not even listed on imdb

elfin shale
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Jason Momoa was also Conan.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
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lol mamoa is not conan to me

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that's how you know it's arnolds role lol

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mamoa could have been tarzan maybe

elfin shale
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Momoa looks more like the literary description of the character.

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And I personally enjoyed his version of the character, but Arnold's is more iconic.

tranquil cove
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my point is there are some actors who don't really act far from their original iconic roles or have acting range - it seems like they play themselves

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without insulting lucy lawless shes a phenomenal actor

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she can be someone else if she wants

elfin shale
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Yeah. There are some actors who get typecast as well though.

tranquil cove
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but i think i was trying to say xena is kind of true to who she actually is as a person

elfin shale
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Even if they'd like to break from the general character archetype they play, they don't get cast in roles that let them.

tranquil cove
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like lucy lawless irl fights oil companies

elfin shale
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Jensen Ackles is another actor who ends up typecast a lot.

tranquil cove
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and shes basically a humans rights advocate, a lot of xena gonna be just evident in a fighter person like that lol

elfin shale
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Probably not the right channel to be having this discussion though.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
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they don't mind as much

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games/movies, it all works, and probably some of the actors we could talk about voice for games lol (but yeah we can stop here)

elfin shale
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Someone who gets a bit of flak for his voice being 'samey' in a lot of voice roles is Troy Baker.

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But then you have Joel from the Last of Us, and Joker from Arkham Origins that prove he has range.

tranquil cove
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i love mark hamil's joker still

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not sure how troy baker sounds

elfin shale
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Well, Baker's Joker was intended as a younger iteration of Hamill's, so he was somewhat using Hamill as a template.

tranquil cove
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i love whats her name as wonder woman

elfin shale
tranquil cove
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the actress who plays Ahsoka now

tranquil cove
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i mean he's so good i called him joe instead of troy

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joe short for joker

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lol

elfin shale
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Troy Baker is one of the few people who has actually voiced both Joker and Batman.

tranquil cove
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i want somebody to cast Rosario Dawson who voices wonder woman

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as actually wonder woman

elfin shale
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I wonder who's going to voice Wonder Woman in the upcoming game they're making.

tranquil cove
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and get rid of gal gadot

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Rosario Dawson is 100 times better actor than gal

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and 100 times more wonder woman

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the voice actors usually are the characters they voice more than the actors actually are

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that's why it was such as good casting choice to cast Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka, wonder woman playing a jedi basically = not that far off from wonder woman role

tranquil cove
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elfin shale
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I liked the tribute that they had to Kevin Conroy at the end of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League.

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'Cause it used one of Kevin's famous quotes as a way to pay tribute to the character he was most well known for portraying while also honouring the man himself.

dusk bluff
vague galleon
lunar flame
neon sleet
elfin shale
elfin shale
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Apparently there's a bunch of Kevin's recorded dialog that we've yet to see.

vague galleon
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Who knows why he signed on. but I know a lot of people are understnadably upset with the whole thing.

elfin shale
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Also, just because people are unhappy with the way the story was handled in the game, doesn't completely invalidate the tribute that they had to the man who portrayed the character.

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I respect and appreciate that Rocksteady was willing to take a chance on a story that they had to know people wouldn't be happy with, but WB kind of screwed them over by pushing for it to be a live service.

vague galleon
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nah nah nah. you dont do a tribute to a man with a game where you brainwash and kill him off. That's what we call disrespectful.

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Arkham Knights was a way better way to send him off.

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it makes NO sense to say that suicide squad is in the same canon.

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like I said, most of people's complaints wouldn't exist if this was a stand alone story.

elfin shale
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Nah, you know what's disrespectful? Claiming that because the game killed the character off it disrespects the memory of the man who was fully on board with the project.

vague galleon
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i gotta disagree,

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besides. they didnt JUST kill him off.

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arkham knights killed him off twice and it was still more respectful.

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they didn superman dirty in that game too. didnt even get a death cinematic. XD

tranquil cove
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what was his character in the game? batman?

vague galleon
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ya.

tranquil cove
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batman dies 3 times total in 2 of the games combined?

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wtf kinda games kill batman

vague galleon
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brainwashed, mocked by harely, and popped off on a bench.

tranquil cove
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lol

vague galleon
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did him sooo dirty.

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whats funny though is everyone being shocked they got straight killed off even though the game is literally called "kill the justice league"

tranquil cove
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it's alternate universe stuff?

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maybe that's why he signed off on it

vague galleon
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nope.

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canon for the arkhym series.

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literally all they had to do was not make it canon and people would have been fine with it.

tranquil cove
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can't be canon that the justice league dies

vague galleon
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yup.

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for that game series it is.

tranquil cove
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yeah it's alternate universe then

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it's just for the game

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it's not comic book canon etc.

vague galleon
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no. for all the arkhym games.

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well no.

elfin shale
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It's almost like death means nothing when it comes to comic book characters or something.

vague galleon
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the comic books have 50 canons.

tranquil cove
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true

vague galleon
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but people really liked the arkhym game series.

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it makes no sense for the justice league to even be a part of that universe. was much letter as just a batman game.

tranquil cove
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but its not very realistic batman would ever be successfully brainwashed

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not even with drugs

vague galleon
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Brainiac.

elfin shale
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I still think it was a brave choice by the script writers to do something they knew people would be pissed off at.

tranquil cove
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no at that point you're just rewriting his brain, no longer the same person

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so it's not even brainwashing

elfin shale
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But I also believe that the ongoing narrative that's part of the live service will revive the Justice League in some way.

vague galleon
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thin line between brave and stupid.

tranquil cove
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like part of superpowers of superman in particular

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and batman

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is mental fortitude

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superman is influenced by magic and tons of crap a lot

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and always pulls out of it

elfin shale
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She says something along the lines of 'The real Batman would want this....'

tranquil cove
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is the arkham series done? maybe theyll just find a way to bring batman back lol

vague galleon
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at this point it probably is and i hope so

elfin shale
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Even if they bring him back, people won't accept anyone else voicing him in that franchise.

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Lol.

vague galleon
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exactly.

tranquil cove
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true

elfin shale
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Even though someone else already has voiced him.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vague galleon
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in the arkhym games?

elfin shale
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Yep.

vague galleon
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really?

elfin shale
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Batman wasn't voiced by Kevin Conroy in Arkham Origins.

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It was Roger Craig Smith.

vague galleon
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ah. figured it was that one.

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hamill didnt voice joker in that one either.

elfin shale
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And Joker was voiced by Troy Baker.

vague galleon
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it's supposed to be a younger character.

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so that's why.

tranquil cove
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tbh harley isn't even supposed to be directly evil

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she develops more into an anti hero usually

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who breaks away from joker too

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because joker is abusive

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its actually an insult to joker that she kills batman - because joker has dibs on batman

elfin shale
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Yeah. The entire Suicide Squad cast is kind of anti-heroes.

tranquil cove
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and also directly might not be what joker would want

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since joker and batman have a wierd bromance

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joker wants him alive and to suffer

elfin shale
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Well, Joker in the Arkham series is dead.

tranquil cove
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ahh makes sense

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lol

elfin shale
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I was actually more annoyed by them 'reviving' him in Arkham Knight than I was with them killing off Batman in SS:KtJL

vague galleon
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what does anti-hero even mean anymore.

tranquil cove
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someone who does good occasionally, but is still bad

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or who is trying to be good but sucks at it

vague galleon
elfin shale
vague galleon
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oh the joker?

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ah hmmmm

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ya, bit weird.

sullen crane
vague galleon
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his final boss fight was also an odd choice.

sullen crane
vague galleon
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ya, most of the sucide squad doesnt strike me as anti-heroes, most of them are just villians.
although catwoman became more of an anti-hero or something.

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i forget what an anti-villian is.

elfin shale
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Two Arkham games advertised with someone other than the Joker as the main antagonist ended up having him as the primary antagonist anyway. Lmao.

tranquil cove
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tbh the plot armor heroes have is that they have friends, and so they never lose, whereas evil characters usually have conflicts and no one to back them up so they lose. the real batman would be aware of the suicide squads ability to work more cohesively together and would actually bring in more friends to deal with them by surprise, while pretending he came alone, because he's basically a 12th level intellect like brainiac. he probably would have gotten his own good version of braniac from another dimension tbh.

vague galleon
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Mark Hammill in the animated series will always be the best joker BUT my personal favorite will always be Caser Romero.

elfin shale
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Batman's plot armour is prep time.

tranquil cove
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yeah but part of prep time in this case is knowing he needs to bring more than just himself to face the suicide squad.

sullen crane
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Most of suicide squad is anti hero lol especially Harley Quinn she may seem crazy but she’s actually super smart and not a sociopathic

elfin shale
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Batman has so much plot armour that it becomes kind of boring to read or see stories with him as part of them.

tranquil cove
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her backstory in the animated series was she was jokers psychiatrist - so yes she has PHD's (at least as one kind of smart)

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and fell in love with him

vague galleon
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it's a hard sell putting batman with modern say justice league.

elfin shale
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Most of the Suicide Squad is willing to do good if it benefits their own interests. Lol.

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Batman is always best when he's street level dealing with his own rogues gallery.

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Having him take on Darkseid and win solo is just stupid.

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But happens.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
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flash is technically the strongest hero

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i think superman one million surpasses him though

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flash was also the justice leagues heart, in terms of being light hearted/joking, but also compassionate, portrayed as usually very compassionate to villains. i guess superman has similar qualities of believing in the good in others and not killing, but flash is somehow special because he's human.

elfin shale
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I still think that Superman works better on the small screen 'cause it gives them a chance to explore his humanity more than movies allow.

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And that is actually his biggest strength as a character.

vague galleon
tranquil cove
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superman just needs the right direction in a movie that doesn't focus on his powers/is with a superman who refuses to use his powers often

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superman 99.9% of the time holds back anyway

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like the real superman would not have a fight in a city destroying half the city and risking peoples lives

elfin shale
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An evil Superman that didn't hold back at all would be utterly terrifying.

tranquil cove
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they need a superman movie

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called Kent

elfin shale
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But even Injustice Superman holds back.

vague galleon
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hot take. Zach SNyder's DC movies are shit.
the only one I liked was the first wonderwoman movie.

I grew up with justice league animated series and i wanted a live action movie so bad, but Not THAT

vague galleon
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THAT SPEECH THOUGH

elfin shale
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The first Wonder Woman movie wasn't a Snyder movie. I think he was a producer on it, but didn't have much to do with the creative process.

vague galleon
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thats probably why it was actually good.

sullen crane
tranquil cove
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did you guys see the animated movie on superman called All-star superman? after the comics?

elfin shale
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The casting choices for Snyder's DCEU were great though.

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Even if they weren't used well.

tranquil cove
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it's very good, it's sort of the approach movie directors needed to take with superman

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if you watch superman all-star you'll see how it focuses less on his powers

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more his humanity

elfin shale
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There's one character I want to see them bring back from Snyder's DCEU that didn't get a chance to really do anything.

vague galleon
elfin shale
tranquil cove
elfin shale
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Joe Manganiello as Deathstroke is pretty much perfect.

tranquil cove
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check this out

sullen crane
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Superman isn’t human wym humanity

tranquil cove
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humanity doesn't have a race

elfin shale
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He's got more humanity than most humans.

tranquil cove
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even though it's named after humans lol

sullen crane
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It does ?

tranquil cove
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kryptonity then

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superman has a ton of kryptonity

elfin shale
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There's two definitions for humanity. One is humans as a collective.

tranquil cove
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anyway, you know how if someone moves to USA they are now americans?

elfin shale
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The other is the quality of being humane; Benevolence.

tranquil cove
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same with if an alien grows up on earth

elfin shale
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You don't have to be human to have humanity.

tranquil cove
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they are now humans

sullen crane
tranquil cove
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i mean there's no precedent for it, but if i took it to court i'd win

elfin shale
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But you do have to be human to be part of humanity.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
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it would be ruled in the supreme court lol

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first we need an international universe before that happens

sullen crane
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That’s like saying anyone who moves to wakanda is wakandain

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That not how that works

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Or take Star Wars for example

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Doesn’t make u part of that species

tranquil cove
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i'm not going to argue it, you're free to think that

elfin shale
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If a child from the US is adopted by Wakandan parents, the child grows up knowing Wakanda as their home. They are Wakandan.

sullen crane
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They were not born there

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They will never have a birth certificate

tranquil cove
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they would be considered both US and wakandan

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regardless of paperwork

vague galleon
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Superman is more "human" than lex luthor.

tranquil cove
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also a paper doesn't define an identity either, it's in the end... just a paper, but if papers are what do it for you, then you should consider anyone who moved from china to usa, a us citizen since they have citizenship papers/card.

sullen crane
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Invincible is human because he’s half human super man is not

elfin shale
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'Home is where the heart is' is kind of relevant here.

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Superman didn't know about his birthplace until he was a teenager in most iterations.

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He considered himself human.

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Earth is his home.

sullen crane
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Yes papers don’t mean anything because at any time the government can revoke your citizenship lol unless u were born here

tranquil cove
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borders are arbitrary, they changed over the course of thousands of years, so you might think you were born in USA, but you were born somewhere where USA didn't even exist 200 years ago.

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imagine defining who you are based on a border and nationalism

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that's less human

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nationalism is just a control mechanism

sullen crane
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So yes you’re a citizen that has to watch what he does because u can still be sent back if u do crimes .

elfin shale
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Probably a veeeeery different situation if you were born in one country and adopted as a baby by parents in another country.

tranquil cove
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you wont be sent back if you do crimes

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if you are a citizen of a country and do crimes there, you go to jail there.

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also i just looked it up

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if an illegal immigrant to any country commits a murder in that country, guess what happens

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they are prosecuted and serve their sentence in that country

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once their 20 year sentence is done

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they get deported.

sullen crane
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Either way comparing people coming from a different planet to earth isn’t the same thing as country immigration. We have no laws on that

tranquil cove
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im just basing it off the show Resident Alien

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he thinks he's a US citizen too lol

sullen crane
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If u ever watched the expanse that a realistic way of showing . The planet under the UN as one

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And having those laws

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My favorite show

elfin shale
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Shohreh Aghdashloo has such a distinctive voice.

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And the costume designer(s) for her character on the Espanse knocked it out of the part almost every time.

timber prism
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YES ❤️

vague galleon
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not my thing but it's about damn time.

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