other-games

[flint shoal]

I really like the aesthetic so I'll likely be checking it out at some point but I'm still having too much fun with enshrouded and a few other games right now

[lilac adder]

i thought it was weird but ill buy & play to confirm for mysself

[dusk bluff]

Let me know how it goes! I know a few who tried it and quit after a few hours.

[lilac adder]

during the demo tried it?

[dusk bluff]

What ever it was called a few weeks ago

[lilac adder]

ill let you know. def buying nd tring hour it releases

[misty arch]

dont think a lot of people realized that stresstest was settings specific. They put everyone at a higher level and around higher level mobs. They also had everyone placed after the tutorial so everyone had to figure things out on their own.

[dusk bluff]

The people I know who played were super invested so they likely knew.

[neat niche]

you forgot abiotic factor

demo ends in 24 hours lol so yea lol

[flint shoal]

we'll wait then, we're not in a rush to find something new

[lilac adder]

I thought i did...then i checked out gameplay.

i'll def pass. not sure if falls into survival craft categrory from the 2min gameplay i saw

[neat niche]

its very much survival

i personally loved the hell outa the gameplay and the loop

[lilac adder]

survial + craft?

[neat niche]

yea

@lilac adder think of it like half life 2 science meets scp meets limited items. so it really maters what you spend your resources on. and farming inside portals becomes very much needed as you progress

only way to get more is by risk

your locked x meters deep into the earth in a black site similar to the scp fondation.

your base also gets raided/attacked semi frequantly so theirs always threats

[tepid wadi]

Good SCP-style games are too rare

[neat niche]

the feel and vibe of abiotic factor hits so dam cleanly

[tepid wadi]

Neat, it looks like a different style than most survival games recently

[neat niche]

why i look forward to its release. also the fact resources are semi limited to force exploration is nice. theirs no "resetting" or resources jusy "reappearing"

[neat niche]

its def its own thing demo will up for 24 more hours

def give it a try before it shuts back down

the devs also like devs here very active with their player base useing feedback and stuff

makes me happy this is a gamer year

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'll give it a shot. It's great to see so many indie companies that are positively engaging with their communities.

[neat niche]

enshrouded and abiotic are the games my play groud are excited for

dont get me wrong we will probly play nightingale

but god dam the grind. if not for sharing the work... i dont wanna think bout it

[neat niche]

honestly if you want i can show you abiotics world i can stream it. or what not unless you rather go in and self learn which is fine

games def good

btw you can put glass shards in a soup to make killer soup, does exactly as you think

lolz

[tepid wadi]

I'm out and about, but I'll snag the demo when I get home

[neat niche]

sall good they plan to shut er down tommorow so you def have time to give it a quick weeling lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, for sure.

[faint mauve]

Hmmm any tell em fans in here 🧐🤨

[neat niche]

ur name is makeing me and my wife laugh its just so dam funny lol

[faint mauve]

lol 😂 glad I can make ppl laugh been my GT for bout 10 years strong and yes it is only 1 chipotle

[neat niche]

still great

[sullen crane]

Looks like helldivers has a huge server problem and it’s needs its back server code rewritten lol that’s going take weeks possibly months. Looks like the game will be dead by then

[dusk bluff]

No one cares. You don't even play it

[lunar flame]

I literally doubt every word of that salad.

[dusk bluff]

Yeah they just come in here to bash games and stir the pot. They do it in every survival discord and have been banned/muted in multiple lol

[lunar flame]

Yup.
Seen the same clowns in a lot of places.

[dusk bluff]

I wonder if they actually have time to game with all the time they spend trolling.

[lunar flame]

Nope.

[reef bobcat]

nightingale tomorrow

🗣️

[trail depot]

Seems to be very american focused this server stuff. Aussie troops are still fighting strong (with no queues)

[flint shoal]

7 years on steam, level 7 profile, 20 games owned so looks like no lol. Too busy trying to troll and doompost people having a good time.

[sullen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/musediet-nicki-minaj-salute-gif-9094222714582108987

[sullen crane]

lol

[lunar flame]

Seems mostly baseless to me.

A 3rd world country with mostly shitty internet is bound to see issues.

[sullen crane]

Are u calling America third world ? lol

[lunar flame]

I mean, it's LITERALLY there, in words..

Anything else obvious you need help with?

[dusk bluff]

I live there and you ain't wrong. Internet here is hella over priced too lol. i pay 100$ a month for 1Gb

[hidden creek]

But ... i'm in France, and i can't log in either , i have friends in Germany that can't get in either

so i guess your theory is not that great

[dusk bluff]

yes?

[flint shoal]

yeah, I'm ~100$ for 1000/40 more or less

[dusk bluff]

dang I atleast get 1k up and down

[flint shoal]

😂

[hidden creek]

wtf

how does this upload even make sense

[dusk bluff]

I could get it for a bit cheaper but it won't be fiber its coax and that company is scummy and has alot of outages

[flint shoal]

asymetrcial coax/cable provider. Spectrum is the only option where I live

[dusk bluff]

yeah spectrum sucks

[hidden creek]

well i say that but , i'm running a 15 mb down with 0.5 mb upload so ...

[flint shoal]

but at least on this plan I get ~40 up instead of the 12-20 I had on lower plans lol

I keep meaning to see if they'll sell me a symetrical business plan

but suspect it would be $$$$$

[flint shoal]

I'm jelly

[sullen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/donovan-rich-gif-25582183

[dusk bluff]

still super over priced haha

[flint shoal]

yeah lol

[timber prism]

LMAO. The hilarious part is that they bought the game multiple times just to bash it without playing. The salt is real XD

[lunar flame]

More than likely has 10,000+ hours on Solitaire..... and that's it!

[reef bobcat]

get ready for nightingale

less than an hour

!!!!!!!

[tepid wadi]

Aww yiss

If only I didn't have meetings all day 😢

[dusk bluff]

Call in sick

[tepid wadi]

I can't really, they're my meetings 😝 Kind of important to do them.

[dusk bluff]

Oh no lol quick make a doppelganger and have them go for you!

[short sail]

Shadowclone jutsu

I mean, who cannot do that?

[fallow bobcat]

Anybody gonna try Nightingale today? Doesn’t seem super similar to enshrouded with no 3rd person. Wonder if it’ll be any good

[hollow barn]

Nightingale does have 3rd person mode

[dusk bluff]

A few here are. Make sure to play it and report back here lol

[short sail]

I won't.

[flint shoal]

I'll probably give it a shot at some point, don't think it has dedicated servers though so I'm admittedly less interested than I was the other day when I first learned about it.

[low gorge]

just waiting for it to launch!

[fallow bobcat]

Word. I just got all the achievements and did my final few quests yesterday. Enshrouded has been freakin incredible and I love it but 1.5 playthroughs and I think it’s time to wait for more content. Not ready to go back to valheim, hopefully nightingale is actually a good co-op experience.

[hard wraith]

Time for Nightangle while we wait for Enshrouded full release patiently 😁

[lilac adder]

nightgale is early acess tooo

just bought and am downloading

ill post here a review shortly

[flint shoal]

my main concern with nightingale after reading more about it is how do they keep the servers running? What's the future monetization model look like when they're hosting everything themselves? The game appears to be always online even if you're playing by yourself.

[tidal osprey]

Last Epoch tomorrow though.

[tepid wadi]

I'll be playing both, for sure.

[tepid wadi]

I feel like Nightingale is prime for MTX building skins kind of like Conan does? Maybe DLCs with more areas and realm card options? Unknown really.

[flint shoal]

I've never played Conan but I'm really not interested in mtx building skins and stuff tbh

I'm happy to wait and play other things until it works itself out or they release dedicated server support so I don't have to rely on the company keeping the servers on to play the game.

[neon sleet]

Nightingale out now for $35.09. Rofl

[lilac adder]

hasnt that been out since 2019?

[lilac adder]

26.99 in US

[tidal osprey]

EA, yeah. Tomorrow is full release of 1.0

[lilac adder]

ouuuuuuuuu ;D

[lilac adder]

isnt this the better version of diablo 4 from what i've heard. have you been playing? what's it like?

[tidal osprey]

I did play on previous versions. I didnt play Diablo 4, so I cant compare the two. I really like Last Epoch. From what I played, 80+ hours or so, it's been very enjoyable. Lots of customization.

[lilac adder]

80 hours is significant. was there still more to the game at that point or was it just 100% everying

[timber prism]

I consider it in between PoE and Diablo 4. Its much easier and not as deep as PoE but it also hasn't been out for a decade

I really disliked the endgame loop but that was during EA

[tidal osprey]

I played 2 classes to the endgame content. There was plenty for me to do. They added more classes and more endgame content to do with 1.0. So I'm excited to jump back in tomorrow.

[timber prism]

It was a lot of work to RNG certain stuff but the gameplay is fun

[sullen crane]

Having fun on nightingale!!!!! I love the women who worked on this game

[lilac adder]

im on 70% downlolading..how is the combat...that is my biggest concern

[sullen crane]

I love that my game Does not crash every 10 minutes and no log in ques to play a paid game !!!!

https://tenor.com/view/haha-mickael-jackson-queendugif-ahah-hehe-gif-13642339

[lilac adder]

lol who are we throwing shade on 👀

[sullen crane]

Some dumpster fire published by PlayStation/sony

A whole new world situation. You can’t play a game u paid for because of server issues

The game will die just like new world

[timber prism]

This person has been talking trash about this game even before it launched and said it would never be successful. True clown moment.

[sullen crane]

Ignores the points about the server issues and not being able to play a game u paid for. Also to add on it’s a buggy mess

Losing progress is like flipping a coin

[timber prism]

I have over 75 hours in the game playing. Level 36.

You don't lose progress. You are just dumb

[sullen crane]

How am i dumb lol its all over there discord and steam reviews

lol

[timber prism]

There are server issues.

[flint shoal]

everyone I've talked to where it didn't look like they got progress on something, they actually did get their progress, it was just a cosmetic issue with progression.

no progress actually lost

[timber prism]

Exactly

But of course. This person wouldn't know this because they just talk shit

[flint shoal]

^

[timber prism]

Without playing the game

[sullen crane]

Nobody talking shit. The Game is a buggy mess with server issues

Black screens lol

[timber prism]

This is the same person who talked shit saying it wouldn't hit 20k players

And the game hit over 400k players just on steam

[sullen crane]

And new world peaked 1 million and look at it now

What’s your point

[timber prism]

The devs didn't think it would hit this many so their servers aren't built for this many so you see issues

Which they are working on fixing

Which is gonna take time because its limitations on how their servers work. Not just adding more

But again. This person doesn't understand any of this

[sullen crane]

Actually i do

[timber prism]

🤡

[sullen crane]

But u should have a better server infrastructure when u have Sony as publisher

And ip owners

[timber prism]

Lmao. Exactly why its a clown moment

[sullen crane]

New world has server issues? lol that game died quick because of it .

Wayfinder server issues??

Died quick

[timber prism]

You said the game was going to lose 20% of its sales day 1

You are just dumb

[sullen crane]

Well it actually is losing sales now

With people refunding

lol

[timber prism]

🤡

[sullen crane]

While there so busy fixing the servers content will be dry lol u know how this goes

[gusty compass]

how is Nightingale?

[sullen crane]

= dead game

[sullen crane]

It’s super fun

[gusty compass]

how is optimization? does it run smoothy?

[sullen crane]

Its EA don’t expect a polished product. Unlike other games that release full and still aren’t polished

[tepid wadi]

Got through the nightingale tutorial, chose the desert realm for my house, immediately got attacked by a swarm of giant grasshoppers. 10/10 would make bug soup again.

[gusty compass]

That sounds quite the experience xD. Do you play solo or coop?

[tepid wadi]

I'll be playing co-op with some friends later, but just getting through the tutorial was solo

I'm kind of curious how co-op is going to actually work

[sullen crane]

The water looks amazing. Enshrouded is missing this

[tepid wadi]

Voxel water is insanely hard to get right though, so it's kind of understandable..

[lilac adder]

Nightgale is nice so far. Looks great. Customization is.. Uniquely diverse...

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/kB14QIKcR5k?si=FMQqhjyuA2Nr7pak

[sullen crane]

Can’t wait to get to the end game multiplayer hub

https://tenor.com/view/leobylaw-gif-2340523923075676473

[heavy jasper]

new world as in amazons mmo? didn't die cus server issues it's dying cus devs are inept and don't listen to player base or apparently understand pvp games

[heavy jasper]

can enemies decimate your base in nightingale? kinda looks like it from the trailers. like valheim troll level destruction?

[lilac adder]

Im hoping so also.. Haven't gotten too far but am playing

[near girder]

I played one of the earlier tests for nightingale. Pixelated Graphics, jarring movement, janky enemies, buildings that didn’t snap together well, garbage harvesting mechanics… only thing I found interesting was the portal mechanic where no world has every resource you need, forcing you to go out exploring, gathering, and returning to base with a full backpack of new materials.

How does it feel/look now?

[lilac adder]

i havent gotten to janky enmies / bildings part yet....outside of that ....it is AAA quality in regards to the other things you stated

[dusk bluff]

Weird new world is still not dead hmmm

[sullen crane]

The number 1 complaint on launch was literally server ques and issues

[dusk bluff]

Que?

[sullen crane]

Also a buggy mess

Yes new world had server ques on launch

lol

[dusk bluff]

It's spelled queue. Que is a Spanish word. Oh Lord

[timber prism]

🤡

[heavy jasper]

original launch yeah, it was awful and a buggy mess. just feel like numbers went back up quite a bit and more so w angry earth which ya had queues but overall game fine. they lost that huge influx of players because they can't cater to their audience

[sullen crane]

14000 people in a mmo lol is definitely dead

lol

Are u new to MMOs

[dusk bluff]

14k is alot

[flint shoal]

I have fun going back to new world every now and then and clearing the new content 🤷

[dusk bluff]

0 is dead

[gusty compass]

14k is good amount

[sullen crane]

Are u being fr?

[dusk bluff]

Yeah this has to be a child. Doesn't know how to spell queue and thinks 14,000 is a small amount.

[gusty compass]

How do you check player counts?

What website

[dusk bluff]

Just Google "game" steam charts

[sullen crane]

14000 players is small for a mmo

It definitely is

[dusk bluff]

No 14,000 is not a small amount for any game.

[sullen crane]

Lost ark is at 50k on steam and that’s not even including the Korean players

That love lost ark

[gusty compass]

Is new world worth revisiting now?

[sullen crane]

No

It’s dead

[gusty compass]

Oops

[sullen crane]

Still no controller support after 3 years lol

[dusk bluff]

Are you really this miserable with your life that you need to troll every survival discord and get banned or muted in each?

Is it some kind of achievement in your life?

[flint shoal]

Lol, I've played new world on my steam deck just fine. If you use steam input to map your controlls you're fine

[near girder]

New world’s a great game, but people aren’t fans of the PvP systems in place. Fun solo or with friends.

[gusty compass]

Anyone playing nightingale?

[flint shoal]

will be waiting on nightingale

mixed reviews on steam and always online functionality with no dedicated server support turns me off right now

[sullen crane]

New world is just a testing field for there lord of the rings MMO that’s going be on the same engines. They don’t care about new world

[dusk bluff]

^ you can ignore everything this troll says. 90% of it has no merit.

[gusty compass]

Guess i’ll wait a little

[dusk bluff]

Yeah it's been super janky for my friend group so we are waiting it out. It has really good potential but needs more time to cook.

[tepid wadi]

Most people dont NEED a dedicated server with nightingale. Its always online but your "world" is hosted by them. That means if your respite realm is shared with friends you can all play asyncronyously and still make progress together

[gusty compass]

I’m excited for son of the forest 1.0 release in a couple of days

[flint shoal]

I don't want them to do all my hosting. What happens when they decide they're done covering those costs?

[sullen crane]

That’s like asking any game when are they done covering the cost ??

What

The game has match making

lol they can’t get rid of the servers if they have a whole match making system integrated

[heavy jasper]

i love new world, i've played way too many hours lol. loved my company. pvp is my crack. but my once big server is just weeping players..so many of my friends have left bc they were frustrated with the sweeping changes the devs would make like the SH nerf for example. i am interested in the new combat update though

[flint shoal]

where do you think the worlds are when your offline? If other people/friends can join them whenever then they've got to be somewhere.

[dusk bluff]

Sorry the troll said it's a dead game so you are not allowed to play anymore.

[gusty compass]

I really like this. Me and my friend can play separately and still progress together. How is the ping on your play?

[sullen crane]

Nobody said anyone isn’t allowed play a dead game lol

[tepid wadi]

No problems so far, but I only got to play half an hour or so before I had to do work stuff

[dusk bluff]

Thats the definition of a dead game. 0 players and you can't play anymore.

[sullen crane]

They have an option where u can private your world .

[tepid wadi]

My assumption is that by the time they decide to can their servers, they'll have the dedicated server solution figured out, so I'm not super worried about it.

[flint shoal]

it's still on their servers though, that's just access options that you're adjusting for those

[sullen crane]

What’s wrong with them hosting it ??

lol

[flint shoal]

This is my hope but I'd have to see it before I believe it

[sullen crane]

It’s not costing them much. If nobody is in the server it turns off

Automatically

And turns on when someone joins

[gusty compass]

I’m watching streamer playing on twitch. The game is really intresting

[flint shoal]

and that's probably fine, I'm just not a fan of how they do it. Forcing potential latency issues on people that want to play even single player or a group of friends that live nearby. If you're having fun, go for it

[sullen crane]

Forcing latency issues lol. Even on a private server u are still going have issues if u don’t live near where the server is hosted

What’s your point

lol regions will always have separate pings for a while. Unless u want to go in the future a century from now and bring back the tech .

[flint shoal]

I mean, my server that I generally host from is right next to me and most of the people I play games with are in the same city or state so we rarely have latency issues. If we're at the whim of wherever they have servers then we'll likely have worse latency than we might otherwise.
Skimming reviews of the game now, I'm seeing reports of people having latency issues even while playing single player so it appears my concerns are not entirely unfounded.

[gusty compass]

Lots of great survival game this year. Just 2 months in

[flint shoal]

I'm happy to let nightingale cook and play something else in the meantime

it may turn out to not be a game for me but that's fine

[gusty compass]

Yes, lots of option to choose

[timber prism]

Its clear this person doesn't understand why people would want dedicated servers even though they claim to understand servers XD

[sullen crane]

Idk maybe get better internet

[timber prism]

🤡

[gusty compass]

@dusk bluff help

[tepid wadi]

Please keep things civil, folks.

[dusk bluff]

Hello you have reached the Catz of Business how can we help?

[flint shoal]

I would like to buy 1 internet please

[timber prism]

Haha

[dusk bluff]

Sure that will be 1 Meeeeeeellion dollars

[neon sleet]

Yea.......well some of us are Canadian and have to deal with a dollar that's tied to a rock sinking in the ocean 😅

[gusty compass]

Hi uncle zen

[lilac adder]

I don't like mmos. Last tried black desert and meh... So... Is new world like survival craft meets mmo?

[flint shoal]

new world doesn't have survival elements, it's like actiony mmo I guess?

The main reason I keep going back occasionally is I enjoy the item/gear gathering and crafting and nothing else really has combat that compares from what I've seen.It definitely has some issues/rough spots but if you take it for what it is and don't try to no life it as like an all day every day MMO I think it's fine

[heavy jasper]

kinda like..guild wars 2 combat but better? feels weighted and like your skills make an impact on whatever/whoever you're hitting. but less grindy than BDO for sure unless you're sweaty pvp like me but it's fun and people are pretty nice. pvE is ok, it's basically just dungeons and they mutate to become more difficult weekly

[lilac adder]

Ah. Meh, not a fan of traditional mmos. I thought there was a survival craft one which sparked interest

[dusk bluff]

Pax dei

[heavy jasper]

ahh yeah that one looks like it could be good

[lilac adder]

Ouuu looks like what I've been wanting 🤝. Let me watch more YouTube

[lilac adder]

Have you played? Thoughts?

[dusk bluff]

I only had the chance to play a little bit. I had a lot of fun but the game can be greifed very easily. I hope they find a way to fix this. For example the resources only give a resource on the last hit of it. So you need 10 hits to mine a rock, if someone comes in and hits the rock on your 9th swing they get it.

You can build whole cities but I don't know how that will be later on in the game. Everywhere might be built on and you won't have anywhere to build your base, or someone could block part of your base so you can't expand etc

Also potential for Streamer groups to troll others with a big player base

[near girder]

The gathering and crafting is a heck of a grind, but it’s sorta satisfying. Just sucks that you can’t make money off of it. The farmers flooded the market to the point it’s cheaper to just grind mobs and buy the materials. They really nailed the combat though, very satisfying for strategy/action mmo fans.

[flint shoal]

yeah, There's no money in it because they don't know how to economy but I enjoy the process

[reef bobcat]

agreed

[tepid wadi]

My two hour quick review of Nightingale:
-Combat doesn't feel that great, kind of generic feeling and there are some readability issues.
-I like the idea of different types of items giving you different stats on items you craft (predator leather gives you different stats than bug leather when you build armor out of them). It causes a LOT of space bloat though in your base chests.
-The lore/world is great, very beautiful.
-The realm cards are cool, I wonder how customizable you can get with your realms but didn't have enough time yet to experiment with them.
-Base building feels about par for what you'd expect from a survival game at this point.

I'm enjoying it so far, looking forward to getting friends to hop in together and do stuff as a group.

[tough rampart]

my thoughts on nightingale are... I like enshrouded better

like, the game has potential, but it still needs a good amount of work

enshrouded might have less content at the moment, but I think the core gameplay feels a lot more polished

[tepid wadi]

Enshrouded definitely feels like a more "complete" experience for an EA release. But I'm pretty biased.

I don't know if Enshrouded actually has less content, proc-gen does a lot of hiding "low" content amounts in favor of randomness. We'll have to see how it feels after going through a feel realm portals.

If you see the same POIs over and over again, it's going to feel stale pretty quick

[tough rampart]

I mean, nightingale is supposed to have dungeons and bosses and some other features that enshrouded doesn't really have yet, but yeah, the proc-gen that nightingale uses sounds like it doesn't really take full advantage. it's mostly jus tmoving POIs around

enshrouded might be a static world, but its amazingly well done

on the other hand, I think I can build anywhere I want in nightingale... lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, proc-gen really needs "layers" of generation to feel good. Like if you generate "a temple", that temple should also be procedrually generated so that it feels different enough from other temples that it feels fresh to explore.

Valheim's dungeons do a good job of that. You can explore 100 crypts and never get the same layout, even if they're fairly similar in what they contain.

[tough rampart]

no man's sky doesn proc-gen pretty well. I'm looking forward to light no fires

[tepid wadi]

As long as Light No Fire isn't just massive overpromising, it has the potential to be really interesting.

Also, even if Nightingale doesn't fully take the cake right now, I'll be stoked to see how it evolves during EA

[tough rampart]

I think the success of nightingale is going to depend on how varied the realms are

and uh, them getting rid of rubber banding when you're playing solo...

Game is having some serious server issues at the moment. Kind of worries me

[compact bough]

It's pretty weaksauce so far in my opinion. Enshrouded feels better, looks better, runs better.

[tough rampart]

yup

[tepid wadi]

Oh, I wasn't having any problems with lag or framerate or anything.

[tepid wadi]

And on a custom engine too 🤯

[tough rampart]

I was fine until like 6 est

I think everyone off work now on the east coast is causing issues

[compact bough]

I refunded the Tomb raider 1-3 remaster because it felt terrible both with the old and modern controls. Funny enough when nightingale released I had exactly the amount in my steam wallet as nightingale cost

[dusk bluff]

Yeah it hopefully won't be unplayable this weekend

[rugged rock]

Enshrouded did get a shoutout here in this video:

https://youtu.be/NMxAQH5WMII

[dusk bluff]

It's also locked to 30 fps like wtf. Also no triangles anymore 😦

[compact bough]

You can switch between new and old graphics though if you want them triangles

[covert scarab]

to answer ur question about realm customizing (from a person who played 20 hours in beta) there arent many current main realm themes, there is only swamp,forest and desert, secondary cards alter mainly the loot and enemies, to sum it up realms rlly arent that unique, u can do some cool gravity altering stuff tho with some secondary cards

[quaint cosmos]

So, I'm seeing Nightingale has a 50% rating and it's only online mode. How are your experiences playing Nightingale?

[covert scarab]

insanely clunky, i was a beta tester and it felt more fluent during that time period 😭 no clue what happend, the tree cutting animations are AWFUL now, the Ai is MUCH WORSE aswell

[warped sedge]

Just from my 2 or 3 hours in playing with Nightingale, Enshrouded felt way more polished. The building in Enshrouded is far superior and the combat definitely feels cleaner, more of a souls style combat where as Nightingale feels like I'm playing rust or something akin to that. It's not bad just not nearly as good as Enshrouded. Can't wait for more content from you guys I'm itching

[covert scarab]

also u lose fps as u play which only gets fixed by a restart

over the course of 1-2 hours it gos from 120 to 45-50 when u restart game its back to 120 and repeats the cycle lmao

[quaint cosmos]

I had that problem with Craftopia.

[covert scarab]

im rlly dissappointed due to what i expected nightingale to be, but i would still say its a fun game to play

[tepid wadi]

#other-games message

[covert scarab]

i hate how long it takes to farm leather to progress the main quest aswell, wasnt like this in beta test (u started with higher tier armor)

[covert scarab]

the perfect summary honestly

[quaint cosmos]

Now, I want to read a 24 hr review

[covert scarab]

its meant to be a exploration game, but feels more like a resource farming simulator

crafting new realms happens maybe every 10 hours of gameplay

[tepid wadi]

How about a 50hr review?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPskW89SKK8&ab_channel=ForceGaming

Force usually has pretty good takes, and as a bonus he compares it to Enshrouded at the end

[tepid wadi]

Capturing the joy/curiosity of exploration is really important for Nightingale, but doing it with procedural generation is extra challenging.

[covert scarab]

i skipped randomly into the video and the first thing he mentions is the random fps decline thats only fixed by restarting 🤣

[tepid wadi]

lol

[covert scarab]

it just sucks so much that the enemy AI is horrible, scary enemies arent scary at all because the chance they manage to hit their attacks is like 10%

26:49 in the video

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I was kind of annoyed by the first real enemies I encountered. The giant grasshoppers can do like 20m jumps, and they don't make any actual sound so you just get hit.

[covert scarab]

my thoughts exactly

[compact bough]

Perhaps they rolled back their build, lol. Who knows.

[covert scarab]

game with beautiful world building advertised as realm-crafting exploration
u spend 50% of the game in ur base crafting and 45% gathering resources

[compact bough]

It runs like trash either way, feels like trash, looks like trash 😛

But I won't refund, will see what they do with it.

[warped sedge]

It ain't no Enshrouded, that's for sure lol

[compact bough]

From what I heard people from previous testing said it's like they didn't listen to their testers worth a damn

I like that you can set up your entire base and then just add the mats though. Got a npc companion but he is useless.

not even for an early access game 😛

Sounds like I am better off not building too much pre-antiquarian though.

[dusk bluff]

Ohhh I'm sold then. Those triangles do stuff to me

[warped sedge]

Feel like that forgot to put fkn berries in the game outside of the very first forest biome you come in like what even ROFL

Nothing but plant fibre and sticks

Nightingale btw, not enshrouded

[dusk bluff]

That's likely due to a memory leak. Many current EA games have bad memory's leaks sadly

[misty arch]

welp it has been and is going to bea busy gaming week and it just got bigger.

[dusk bluff]

When is it supposed to come out?

[misty arch]

wil probably find out tomorrow during the trailer

[reef bobcat]

nightingale is so goooood

boutta make some dinner then back to it

[fallen mirage]

had to refund Nightingale, got stuck with the starting portal wont open bug. forced me to make new character. would push me over 2 hours if I got to same point in game possibly effecting my refund. Normally wouldn't trip but their game studio decided to push there EA to Feb 20th and it's not even ready for that.

[tough rampart]

it's sort of funny because the whole reason they pushed the release date up was because their last stress test suggested servers were fine, and now they're having server issues

[fallen mirage]

I mean your game is early access and you make announcment that your pushing release date to get game out early, like seriously let it sizzle a little more

guess it's back to the mines for me in Enshrouded ha

[misty arch]

and just because the day isnt over.
Nacon announced today that the Terminator survival game will get its full reveal during the Nacon Connect 2024 event on February 29th.

[neon onyx]

I got a ton of hopes for enshrouded once they add a little bit cleaner interface, and add more to loot pool. Till then I'm back streaming icarus

[lilac adder]

Link to this?

[misty arch]

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/open-world-terminator-game-reveal-nacon/

[iron dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aqJ52LOe4&t=6s

woke up

[hidden creek]

i mean if its in 4K , 60-70 FPS on a 3060 doesnt sound that bad

[misty lynx]

shroud was saying it was all over the place though right now... Bouncing all over depending on effects on the screen. Likely still needs a lot of work.

[reef bobcat]

yes...

[vapid snow]

my body is ready

[clever geyser]

Does it have 3rd person or is it forced 1st person?

[short sail]

Newest Valheim News from the newest newspaper newsblog.

...News. From Valheim. https://valheim.com/news/development-blog-skulls-and-blood

[grand dirge]

You Can switch between them

[jaunty summit]

https://youtu.be/jlFuahBb8u8?si=o9pbIgrld3bbDWvP some Conan exiles

[sharp ether]

I refunded Nightingale as well. Just not enjoying it

Had 3 hours in, but Steam let me refund it anyway

[reef bobcat]

Hi. If i had to choose one Enshrouded or Nightingale?

[flint shoal]

from what I've seen/heard, Enshrouded 100%. Assuming you meet at least the minimum requrements

I haven't played Nightingale yet

[reef bobcat]

I have AMD 5600 and RX 6600 16gb. I don't know if it will be optimized enough tho

[reef bobcat]

Seems like they are having server issues on release like most games 😅

[sharp ether]

Yeah. We hit the current end game in Enshrouded, but that's many hours in

[flint shoal]

I think 6600 should be okay w/ 8gb vram

I know the 5600 should be fine as I'm playing on a 5600x

[reef bobcat]

Yeah i think it is 8gb vram

i've heard that multiplayer mode is shared in Enshrouded in terms of story?

[sweet stirrup]

7 Minutes till new Elden ring Expansion Reveal!

hype hype

[flint shoal]

the quest progress is generally saved to the world/server and not your player profile. iirc they're planning on making some adjustments to that. They talk a bit about their plans here #news message

[reef bobcat]

I see. Good to hear that 😄

I am new to this kind of genre. Tried palworld almost 20hrs in game and my friends start quitting. Can't refund it. ;-;

[sweet stirrup]

Yah Palworld wasnt for me haha

2 Minutes till new Elden ring Expansion Reveal!

!!

[flint shoal]

I mean, 20 hours isn't that bad really. I had fun with it for ~80 or so. It's early access and I'm interested in seeing where it goes

[reef bobcat]

I've tried Elden but the gameplay is hard for me. Refunded it lol

[sweet stirrup]

LOL

well u dont want every game to be easy still

silly*

BRO

they did a count down and now said 30 more minutes lmfao

[flint shoal]

Elden ring looks super cool but it's definitely not a game for me

[sweet stirrup]

It was my first dark souls style game

[reef bobcat]

Yeah I just totally get frustrated after multiple tries of killing a mob. Its not even a boss and I’m already giving up lol

[dusk bluff]

Just go to the grind spots and level yourself up a few hundred times to make it easier

[sweet stirrup]

Then a lvl 1 naked person does a no damage run and i go HUH

[dusk bluff]

There's a glitch where you can jump off a cliff and it gives you tons of XP, or you can shoot a high level bird mob from far away and it runs off a cliff giving you tons of XP lol

Or if you are on PC I can give you the max amount of all the runes 😉

[sweet stirrup]

I am not a person that does any forms of cheating the system but dont hold it against all the peopel that do

[dusk bluff]

None of these are cheats it just levels you faster than any other method

[reef bobcat]

A friend of mine suggested this but I already gave up by then LOL

[dusk bluff]

Haha well if you ever go back. A friend and I spent a few hours getting max runes which gives you an insane amount of XP when used.

[sweet stirrup]

Im gonna start playing when the new exp comes out myself

I spent 100 hours when it first came out

[crude kindle]

Nice! I love this game

[heavy jasper]

if you wanna try again there are mods on nexus to make it muuuuch easier

[vapid snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZenOn7WUo Rise Ye Tarnished! T Minus 4 Minutes!

[lament gust]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

[vapid snow]

June 20th!

[woeful spoke]

Overall favorite building game?

[stuck cave]

the sims 🤣

[woeful spoke]

Icarus or 7 days to die so far for me.

Valheim gets an honorable mention though

[lilac adder]

Is icaraus 3rd person?

[lilac adder]

Valheim. (enshorunded / nightgale once full released

[woeful spoke]

Icarus can be 1st or 3rd by adjusting camera

[flint shoal]

I really liked the building in valheim and Grounded

[lilac adder]

Ouuuu. I've only ever seen 1st person gameplay in passing

[woeful spoke]

AAAHHH.. forgot grounded. yes, another good one.

[candid quiver]

Elden ring trailer was cool and i am hype.
But i have to argue about calling a trailer with cinematic angles and lore voicelines and no Ui, a "gameplay trailer". More like, semi-gameplay trailer imo ^^

[candid quiver]

Tower Unite, hands down. For pure building whatever exactly how one wishes ^^

[woeful spoke]

I will need to check that one out

[candid quiver]

(Survival building is a specific area/genre imo)

Its awesome, ive built semi-open worlds in it ^^

TU is not a survival game, but for building its the only game i build big in nowadays - have so many ideas i can realise in it, outside of being in a survival world.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1209549626982535179/20240220182011_1.jpg?ex=65e753df&is=65d4dedf&hm=ad97ac01bd70057fbf9f4cdc585d3842636bf2469625b6c4d433e4ababafdd2b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1209517077031944285/20240220160938_1.jpg?ex=65e7358e&is=65d4c08e&hm=6403f0fa052030b2a094bf25f3274a28a70428b6a8f9a640a95a8741af31837d&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1196860407168643082/20240116175647_1.jpg?ex=65e74e9d&is=65d4d99d&hm=a8654ce4bb2553591ce8dacdb1548b3f1a52055c5d30e72354a38ec651fbd46f&

(Just a few shots from, from-scratch builds (empty space) in TU ^^

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1196876105345409105/20240116185914_1.jpg?ex=65e75d3c&is=65d4e83c&hm=ed545194bb68b9512cf0731c65c533dcc76fec8a38ec3374bf9e4d0de6b6dab9&

[woeful spoke]

those look fantastic , I will definitely get that game.

[graceful owl]

God gamer login last epoch 1.0 out now

[fallow bobcat]

Last Epoch

[dusk bluff]

What's a god gamer login?

[candid quiver]

Hopefully not some other person whose login was stolen ^^

I always use my own logins, feels most kind ^^

[misty arch]

I always use the same one, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
https://y.yarn.co/5998c7b8-0e8b-4b6a-b0cc-4be1b4b5e4c2_text.gif

[rapid yoke]

Last epoch seeing serious sales today 😄

[tepid wadi]

If you like ARPGs, I can't recommend Last Epoch enough

[rapid yoke]

very happy for them to have a super successful 1.0

[tepid wadi]

Same, the game has progressed so much over the last couple years, from the literally humblest of beginnings

[rapid yoke]

Reddit thread the game

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, the fact that that's where they started and now they're one of the biggest contenders in the ARPG space is just awesome.

Seeing passionate indie devs have big success is always heartwarming.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/CV5WaaJSpBk?si=N1rtniMABOU243DQ

[rapid yoke]

I do be needing them to have success with their servers though, I wanna get a shaman rolling XD

[tepid wadi]

I'm okay with it, I have to work today 😝

I'm debating between an unending storm werebear that stacks 7 different methods of casting storm bolts or a charged puncture falconer

They had an interview a few days ago where they were like "We're pretty confident our servers will be able to handle it but we'll see." and now they've got like 5x the number of people that the stress test had and its the middle of the workday

[rapid yoke]

The copy pasta on their discord rightnow is gold:

"This is unacceptable. I am an important man with many responsibilities. I don't mean to brag but I am CEO of two companies. In the morning, I manage the first, in the evening the second, and at lunch I have important client meetings, or I take the time to meditate and regroup my energies. If that weren't enough, I have several children. I've always believed in putting your money where your mouth is and I have gone to one too many fundraisers for underprivileged children not to adopt some of my own. So in the evening I am too busy raising my children.

I had been following Last Epoch for several months now. I watched every stream, read every blog post release. I even introduced a theorycrafting exercise in job interviews. This was me, you probably heard of it. I made a linkedin post on the subject which garnered over 200k views, this is not to brag but to say it's very likely you've heard of this. I'm not an influencer by any means but when you have high impact ideas, they have a way to spread on their own. Anyways, this is how strongly I believe in Last Epoch.

So when I heard the game was finally releasing, I moved heaven and earth to free up one hour of my time to play today. This is what I'd been waiting for for months. I had to hire an interim CEO. You can't just hire a CEO like a contractor for a day or an hour. You have to get them up to speed. This took me months. It was also very risky because I gave them sensitive information. So I have to keep this backup CEO on payroll for as long as this information is relevant. I'll put them to contribution on linkedin for the time being. I had to take a loan from a VC firm to afford this, and lost around 20% stakes in my companies because of this. As a result, my wife installed bumble and she's been shit-talking me behind my back to my children. My whole life is crashing down and I can't even play!!!"

[lunar flame]

What an assclown.

[tepid wadi]

🙄

[rapid yoke]

idk, high quality satire lambasting the gaming community is always worthwhile

[tepid wadi]

Yeah it's clearly satire, but I always find copypastas like that to be cringy even when they're clearly jokes

[lunar flame]

"Quality" ???

Where? 😛

[flint shoal]

imo that's way too long to be quality

[lunar flame]

It's way too conceited and, well... nuts.

[rapid yoke]

That's the point Armand

[lunar flame]

It's not so much a "point", as a blunt object.. used badly.

[rapid yoke]

the gaming community do be acting like that on the regular, it's not that far off 🙂

[candid quiver]

I dont get the diablo 2 feel from any modern arpgs =/ maybe someday

I want diablo 2, 2 ^^

[lunar flame]

Yeah... D3/4 absolutely suck ass.

[rapid yoke]

@lofty verge I have not, but just watching some streams it gives the ick

[lofty verge]

Would you mind to elaborate? If you could give me some insight in what you mean, tag me in your reply on #other-games

IM SO DUMB

[rapid yoke]

LOL

[lofty verge]

Don't even 😄

[rapid yoke]

The animations are tremendously poor, the combat is extremely basic, the pacing is slow

[lofty verge]

Really, I only seen the trailer. How polished it is compared to Enshrouded ? Because personally for me Enshrouded has a really high score for being EA.

[tepid wadi]

Less polished, certainly.

[rapid yoke]

It's just not in a good state right now, even if it is visually pretty 🙂

[tepid wadi]

It doesn't FEEL as good as Enshrouded does. Like the combat doesn't feel right as far as weightyness and readability, etc.

The building system is very par for the course for what you'd expect of a survival game

[limpid bridge]

Anyone playing helldivers

[lofty verge]

Pallas !

I was just really curious how it is. What about building between the two games? I remember people mentioning that they are excited about this game, I think Zaza introduced me to the tittle so just wanted to hear more since it's aka ''Enshrouded steampunk edition''

[lofty verge]

To be fair I preffer Enshrouded visual art style. Just give me longer legs and we 10/10

[tepid wadi]

The building in Enshrouded is way better because it's voxel based. I wouldn't even compare them tbh. I like the steampunk aesthetic, but I'm not really wowed by the building. The only real unique thing is that you can place blueprints and then build them all at once, but that's not that important really.

[lofty verge]

Not to annoy you, but in a very simpleton way, what's the difference between voxel and non voxel. I hear it so often and even tell people this is Voxel game, but I have no idea what it is.

The building aspect is super important in survival games in my personal oppinion, if it's not in depth, the value of replayability dips down so much. Yeah, I don't think blueprints matter as much if you get materials back as we do in Enshrouded.

[timber prism]

What feel are you going for? I loved it as a kid but even trying remastered it is clear a day to me that I prefer all the QOL stuff added to modern ARPGs

[tepid wadi]

Non-voxel is just blueprints. Like you place a foundation, a wall, a ceiling, and they're just a "piece". Voxels are individual blocks, so when you place the wall in Enshrouded you can take out the individual blocks to really customize it.

[rapid yoke]

Yeah I will forever hate on enshrouded for the character models, until we get more options

[timber prism]

Yup!

[tepid wadi]

The freedom that voxel building gives you is huge because you can build all sorts of shapes and things, and Enshrouded is particularly good because of their voxel blending. Like when you have 2 different materials, or different configurations, it creates a "border" that looks nice between them.

[timber prism]

Getting closer to having almost everything unlocked with this many hours xd

[lofty verge]

I just need legs 😄

[lofty verge]

So we see most of Voxel and how it goes with terraforming right? Not the... structures themselves since they don't really bend, move or twist?

[rapid yoke]

They don't even need to be that much longer. Like 5% smaller head, 10% longer legs

[tepid wadi]

Correct, in Nightingale you can't alter terrain at all, it's just set. Very much like Ark or Conan Exiles or Rust.

It makes the world feel much less 'connected' than a voxel world

[lofty verge]

Thank you for explanation and the look into Nightingale.

That time is coming soon

[tepid wadi]

It doesn't make it a bad game, but the building is just much less in depth than in Enshrouded

[misty arch]

which some people like because of the learning curve that is voxel building

[lofty verge]

Surely. I was just wondering because I was on the line if I want to check it out or not. Because I am extremely invested in Enshrouded - I mean I even started working with Primoris and Random. But from what you and Adall said, I will definitely wait, just the building issue alone is a very big pause button for me

[rapid yoke]

Also the always online thing for nightingale is pretty bad for some regions of the world where they don't put servers.

[tepid wadi]

It's gonna be really tough for a game to surpass how good Enshrouded's building is tbh.

[flint shoal]

I'm a huge not a fan of the always online for nightingale

[rapid yoke]

I can't imagine playing a game with action combat solo with 200+ ping.

[flint shoal]

Wasn't a fan of the interview with the CEO I saw on rock paper shotgun this morning either.

[tepid wadi]

oh?

[rapid yoke]

link that

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I'm curious too

[flint shoal]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/todays-new-games-struggle-because-evergreen-hits-like-fortnite-pull-players-towards-them-at-all-times-says-former-bioware-gm

to me, a survival/crafting game shouldn't be trying to compete with fortnite or gta V

and I also am not a fan personally of adding a bunch of mtx to the game

[misty arch]

there is a game with a much more indepth voxel building system than even Enshrouded has, Dual Universe

[flint shoal]

which I feel is likely the end game with always online and stuff

idk, I love the aesthetic of Nightingale but the rest of it is turning me off

[tepid wadi]

I don't think he's really saying that it's "competing" with fortnite. I think he's just talking about how they have the sort of "evergreen" mentality where they want it to be a long-lived project that is continually improved.

[misty arch]

I think the biggest issue with Nightengale is people are expecting another straight up survival build game. Its not. Its made by former Bioware devs who worked on the original 2 Knights of the Old Republic. That means storyline and choices play a huge part in the game. Most survival games just dont do that, mainly because they were all made with pvp in mind.

[tepid wadi]

I think the big thing is that most people don't WANT survival games to do that.

[misty arch]

but then the game is empty and you just build

which isnt a problem if that is what you want

[tepid wadi]

I think there can be story and lore and objectives, but i don't think most people aren't looking for branching story paths and a 'main quest' with survival games.

[misty arch]

i agree, for the most part.

[rapid yoke]

I can see nightingale being set up to be more of a live service game for sure

[flint shoal]

I mean, I'm not opposed to story, I'm opposed to forced always online and network play even for single player. combined with a nebulous promise of "we'll see how it goes" for dedicated server support and offline play. I'm happy to wait and see how it goes

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, obviously there's space for all sorts of things. But I think it's you're making a story focused game with survival elements, you should be looking to attract a bit of a different crowd than if you're looking to make an exploration survival game.

[rapid yoke]

"They're very sophisticated nowadays, they can tell you what they like and what they don't like, they can tell you what they think would make a better experience for them. If you say tell me about this, just talk about this, they're great - they're so so sophisticated nowadays." - this comes across pretty bad to me imo

[flint shoal]

the exploration/card/realm system seems nifty and I like the steampunk/magic vibe but I'm not looking for a live service game

so it may end up being a pass for me if that's how it turns out

[tepid wadi]

I think this is the thing. With the realm card system, I want to see amazing procedural generation that I can loosely control to create experiences and go exploring. I don't want to be hand held through each step of going through a portal.

[flint shoal]

^

[tepid wadi]

They built the game with a core idea that should be promoting crazy world generation and exploration, but if they're trying to force a story on you, what's the point of that? Just have a bespoke world that better services the telling of that story.

I want to see the wacky world gens that my group encounters, build castles on weird hills that overlook crazy canyons and stuff. If it's all gonna be focused on pushing a specific narrative, does it even need to be procedurally generated?

[flint shoal]

I agree/am on the same page

[tepid wadi]

Just feels like an odd combination of choices

[flint shoal]

Based on what I've seen and read, it sounds like the story is we're exploring realms to try and find our way back to civilization or something?

[misty arch]

back to Nightengale, its a city

[flint shoal]

I may pick it up this weekend just to see how it feels for myself for a coupl hours

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, TL:DR you used a portal network, but then magic fog broke everything. Nightingale is the capital and still stands and you're trying to get to it but the portal network is borked.

It's not bad, just needs more time to cook I think.

[flint shoal]

okay cool, story is done. Let me find cool lore out in the world and stuff now

[misty arch]

Zerax did it, wasnt me

told him not to push the button but of course we all know how that goes

[flint shoal]

[rapid yoke]

Finally able to get into LE, what a day

[tepid wadi]

Nice! I'm going to try and hop in after my lunch. I might just do full offline since I'm planning to do the Circle of Fortune anyway

[rapid yoke]

I have a couple of friends to play with so I can't do that sadly, but yeah not super interested in trade in ARPGs

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, my friends aren't really into ARPGs unfortunately.

[sullen crane]

This is the second game this month i can’t play what i paid for lol

[tepid wadi]

Eh, it happens. For some reason gamers are ravenous for new games and it's destroying servers 😝

[candid quiver]

Remastered is good too.

There is a feel to items, item descriptions, item levles and the drops/loot in diablo 2 - it feels right and d3, d4, poe, last epoch does not feel the same.

There is also a certain feel of combat, that feels different in other arpgs.

Sadly i feel diablo 2 has yet to be followeduo/surpassed, no matter if its the original resurrected one.

[tepid wadi]

I'll be honest, I'm okay that we're not trying to recapture the magic of a 20+ year old game 🤷‍♀️

[crude kindle]

The ELDEN RING is coming!!

DLC real

[honest valley]

THE ELDEN RING DLC IS REAL

[candid quiver]

Recapturing?
Just a hope there will be a new, modern game that is as good as, not just worse ones ^^

[tepid wadi]

I guess I feel like POE and Last Epoch far exceed Diablo 2 in basically every area. They're not the same, but they are better by basically any metric I track.

[rapid yoke]

For what it's worth I paid for LE like 3-4 years ago, so I've gotten more than my worth

A few hours of a hiccup on day one really isn't a huge deal

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Mu-obfH5qhM?si=-ib1pcSkIsJwq8Fl

[timber prism]

Yeah same. So much of it is just nostalgia anyways xd

It feels super old even when playing remastered

Early PoE felt like the perfect successor to Diablo 2 for me

It has completely changed into its own thing these days but I actually enjoy what it changed into

[finite saffron]

PoE 2 is a lot more slow paced again so maybe it will fill that void in your hearts

[misty arch]

PoE2 already beats Diablo 4 because of unlimited dodge roll.

[rapid yoke]

Titan Quest 2 hype

[timber prism]

Titan Quest was great. Also a fan of Grim Dawn.

[tepid wadi]

I always liked TQ more than Grom Dawn, just for the theme

Mythology is way more engaging to me than the grim dawn universe ended up being.

[blissful yew]

Anyone try out Nightingale? If so, how is it?

[lilac adder]

Visually on par with enshorunded. Customization of character is unique. Portals to biome is... In context for the game so can't hate it. Combat is only thing I haven't tried but loving it otherwise

[reef bobcat]

wow sons of the forest full release and dying light 2’s firearm update are both coming tomorrow!!

2024 blessed frfr

[blissful yew]

Awesome, looking forward to diving in later.

[tame parrot]

@blissful yew i found it to be mediocre it's bland while trying to be something new but in the end it isn't

[blissful yew]

I had heard the game loop is a bit different, but very similar survival type trimmings. I love survival games, so I’m sure it’ll be up my alley.

[tulip gale]

Does anyone play Myth of Empires, is this game similar to this Enshrounded and Valheim? Should I buy MoE or Nightingale?

[lilac adder]

I kind of agree with you. laying it down for now after hour 3. Its unique enough for me to keep an eye out and see what it will look like on full release tho

[lilac adder]

ouuuu i've not heard of this. how did this one go under the radar. so far i'd say myth of empire based on having played nightgale and having watched gameplay ivdoe of MoE

[lilac adder]

nvm. get nightgale. i dont like the idea of my machine being a 'online solo' server just to be able to play singleplayer alone.

[hollow barn]

Nightingale is also online only

[lilac adder]

Yes but abel to play without having to turn your pc into a server

[reef bobcat]

Have anyone tried last Epoch?

[lilac adder]

Ars Notoria seems quite promising. id dint know they had early access

[hollow barn]

Still turning off a lot of people

[lilac adder]

if you like diablo 4 / PoE you'll like. aRPG's arent my thing

[lilac adder]

demo early access. meh ill wait till it's cooked a bit longer.

[reef bobcat]

I quite enjoy Diablo 4 when it become free in steam for a limit number of times. Quite new to Arpgs also

[lilac adder]

you'll like it then

[reef bobcat]

I have read the reviews tho seems like its story is bad and thats what i like about diablo 4 after few hours of playing. so yeah still torn between Enshrouded or Last Epoch

[lilac adder]

very different gnere''s...its like choosing to eat an apple or a burger.

[reef bobcat]

Yeah. Also new to Survival games played 20hours of Palworld tho. I'm more of a competitive and mmo player.

[lilac adder]

survival craft games are so niche...its hard to make everyone happy. i avoid per say the commpetieive and or mmo sphere so cant help you there

[reef bobcat]

I understand 🙂

[flint shoal]

it's turning me off from it for sure. Get the feeling it's going to turn into some mtx infested nightmare since it's always online and they've got 10c backing now.

[craggy egret]

Speaking of Nighingale...

So I played it last night...

It's interesting. They did a good job on the environment and biomes (of which seems there are three), and looks like each portal is just a regeneration of the biome with different difficulty scaling and attributes.

The initial drop in of the game makes me feel like Icarus... you run around and pick a bunch of sticks, rock, and leaves... to begin making things. The building system is pretty identical to Icarus and Valheim, with one major difference, which is pretty neat, in that the building system is really a blueprint layout system. you don't need resources to plan a build.. you layout what you want, and then it merges all of the pieces together and tells you how many resources you need.. then you just "dump" the resources in to complete the build (which can be assisted by anyone in your party).

The UX/UI is janky AF. There's a situation I got into where I can't figure out how to progress a quest. The chat box got into a state where it stopped showing me stuff and just looked odd.. (like broken). The crafting and building menus are extremely large.. and by that I mean, they went to great lengths to not make it minimal.

I was impressed by the amount of content, just within the first tutorial and starting realm. Some dialoge interactions felt like it took minutes to complete the conversation.

Major draw backs is that there's no way to play without internet connection. you can't play locally even solo. Even when you turn off invites to the public.

The HUD UI is very basic, like almost proof of concept (fine for EA) so I assume they'll come back to the HUD at some point.

It's an interesting game. Need serious polish. Enshrouded is WAAAY more polished for EA than Nightingale is.

[reef bobcat]

SOTF full release 1:00 PM EST

[lilac adder]

Horror survival craft right? No 3rd person 😦

[craggy egret]

OH THAT'S RIGHT!

I completely forgot about Sons of the Forest.

I bought in when they launched early access and played through before they released the initial content update and decided to wait until full release to go back to it. Really enjoyed it.

Looking forward to seeing how it has changed.

[timber prism]

https://fxtwitter.com/Play2XKO/status/1760695954229821540?t=KKh5MFQVmEf5IjbjjzdfOg&s=19

Terrible name but looking forward to playing

[reef bobcat]

Anyone saw: Myth of Empires ? I see it released yesterday must have missed hype, gonna watch some YOutube stuff Just seen the steam page looks GOOD

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1371580/Myth_of_Empires/

Steam

Myth of Empires

Embark Upon a Thrilling JourneyExplore a land with diverse landscapes, ecologies, and weather, as well as a realistic day/night cycle. The v1.0 release of Myth of Empires also features a new map – Dongzhou Island, offering new adventures and challenges.Build Your Own Empire From the Ground UpMyth of Empires features sandbox gameplay with a high ...

Price

$35.99

Recommendations

8182

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But holy shit I been buying games left and right so far only Enshrouded satisfied and hard to dedicate all that attention lol

I sound like a fanboy dear lord.

Gonna watch some reviews by streamers since reviews people leave on steam pages dumb me down

[tepid wadi]

Nah, we're all on the same page. Palworld, Enshrouded, Nightingale, Helldivers 2, Last Epoch.... It's been a packed year already.

[unreal vessel]

Did anyone else try Nightingale?

[tepid wadi]

Yep, a few of us dropped early impressions earlier in this channel

[timber prism]

FF7 Rebirth next weeeeeek

[unreal vessel]

I played 20h
I think I will wait for some Updates

[tepid wadi]

That seems to be the general consensus. There's a great game in there somewhere, but it needs to cook a little longer.

[harsh locust]

Oh yeah what gaming platform

[timber prism]

PS5

It will probably hit PC via EGS in 6 months - Year from now

[trail shadow]

nah no shot they wait 6 months, Sony's hold over SE has been slipping lately, they know sales suffer massively when they wait to release stuff on PC, and Sony has said they're going to start putting their stuff on PC anyway

[timber prism]

Oh. Maybe I'm wrong. Sony confirmed at least three months

FF16 hasn't even come out on PC yet

And that came out last June

[rapid yoke]

DQ 12 when?

LE online working when?

Eiyuden Chronicle when?

[trail shadow]

this is a bit old at this point, they've said more since then, mixed information, either way 3 months is a whole lot less than than 6 to a year, Playstation owners beta testing the real release again ahaha xD, and if they put it only on EGS when it does come to PC I can pirate with a clean conscience

[burnt spear]

Let's not talk about pirating games, please.

Lest I get out the duct tape and start muting people.

[rapid yoke]

Damn first day and he's already breaking the rules

[trail shadow]

don't worry boss I bought 3 copies of Enshrouded

[finite saffron]

Also when you buy a game on EGS more money goes directly to the devs than if you bought it on Steam 🤔 So the guilt free statement doesn't make a lot of sense

[burnt spear]

Not the point at all.

[rapid yoke]

Keen launcher when?

[finite saffron]

Steam takes 30% by default and EGS takes 12% by default

[trail shadow]

and Sweeney has gaslit you into believing Valve is evil and he's the savior of PC gaming, but this isn't the place for that discussion

[finite saffron]

I mean no they're both evil lol

[finite saffron]

But egs does treat devs much better, players just don't like them very much.

[honest valley]

the several million dollar exclusivity deals sure arnt helping when by the time the game gets to steam ive lost interest

[rapid yoke]

Perhaps we should just all go back to physical media, enshrouded on CDROM when?

[finite saffron]

We'll ship a big box with 50000 floppy disks

[timber prism]

Weird bias you have about PS5 beta testing the "real release." If you actually knew anything the PC release of FF7 Remake... it had so many issues compared to the PS5 release

[honest valley]

enshrouded on 10 dvd discs when?

[rapid yoke]

Sick, I hope I don't go out of order

[burnt spear]

Floppies? Pfft.... Punch cards!

[trail shadow]

30% is the industry standard, and Valve provides a massive amount of services like community forums and advertisement and game visibility to earn that cut that they take, EGS provides almost nothing, also players don't care bout the cut that goes to the devs, players care about a good game on a platform they like

[trail shadow]

it was a joke, I got intergrade on steam release I know the issues it had

[rapid yoke]

I honestly think it's high time this discord bans the clown emoji

[honest valley]

steam should remove the jester award too lmao

[timber prism]

I will happily spend my steam points to jester people tyvm

[honest valley]

just dont give them to trolls

[burnt spear]

What clown emoji? I see no clown emoji.

[timber prism]

🤡

This one?

[finite saffron]

All I can say to that is just talk to devs lol, none of us like Steam and the only thing they're really offering is access to their pseudo-monopoly market they have.

And 30% actually is not industry standard, even google play store has a more generous cut, and xbox. Which is really saying something given that you don't even have other choices on those platforms.

Devs would all stop using Steam if it didn't cause playerbases to have a meltdown 🤷‍♂️. They don't offer devs special promotions or anything, the "promotions" are just if your game is already selling well, and they don't do it for altruistic reasons. It's to increase their sales too.

[timber prism]

People are legit so soft now

[finite saffron]

Also using the steam forums as an upside is really funny, because devs hate that platform we would all turn it off if we could.

[timber prism]

And its wild

[burnt spear]

Steam is just too damned convenient of a game library to change from.

I can't imagine all the game icons I would have on my desktop without Steam to wrangle them all.

[rapid yoke]

Yeah, civility just sucks man. Worst.

[timber prism]

Quite the reach but go off XD

[trail shadow]

30% isn't the industry standard

[finite saffron]

Yeah I hope someone can make a proper third party game launcher, gog galaxy tried it but it wasn't great.

[timber prism]

Sorry an emoji hurts you so much

[rapid yoke]

This is why I won't switch, I don't want 1000 marketplaces to sift through. It would be better if we could just download directly from the publisher or developer though.

[timber prism]

Its not 1000 marketplaces

Its not even double digits

[rapid yoke]

It's just more about people feeling the need to be insulting rather than having a normal conversation, it's not about being soft (yet another insult). Just chill and chat man, chomping at the bit to be rude is a bad look.

[finite saffron]

That's just straight up outdated, you can google a lot of these platforms individually.

Regardless even if it was "standard" that doesn't justify it, all these platforms are pseudomonopolies that take 30% just for existing lol

[trail shadow]

then what is the industry standard?

[finite saffron]

It's whatever platform you use? You're strawmanning me right now by latching onto this industry standard idea that I never mentioned.

[ionic bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpQGRtEg05g

[trail shadow]

I'm not strawmanning anything, it's a genuine question, you should know far better than me you work in the industry I'm just a consumer

[finite saffron]

I told you and you didn't listen, so... Google it?

You just like arguing for the sake of arguing on a topic you know nothing about, instead of just listening to the actual game dev you're talking to.

[trail shadow]

I am listening I just asked what it is, I admit I'm wrong and don't know

[finite saffron]

I already told you Egs, Xbox, and play store all take a lower cut than 30, which you can easily google to confirm.

[timber prism]

Calling for censorship of an emoji is not being chill either. Its an emoji to express an opinion on someone's comment. There is nothing uncivil about it

[trail shadow]

yeah I saw that, does that mean that's the standard?

12%?

I can see why you think I'm trolling or asking in bad faith, I'm sorry it's hard to convey tone over text

[finite saffron]

It's just asking the wrong question, the standard isn't very relevant as devs don't have a choice on participating in this "standard" most of the time. If we sell games on consoles we're forced to take whatever those consoles ask, same on mobile. PC we technically have a choice, but unless you are a mega studio that can market your third party launcher like crazy (and even then it's debatable), you are realistically forced to use Steam if you don't have an exclusivity deal.

Realistically it's criminal that a distribution platform would take that much, and if you look at any other market besides gaming those cuts are extremely high. Most online retailers for any other products are generally half that. Game devs are kinda just stuck though without outside regulation to deal with the monopolistic nature of these platforms.

[burnt spear]

It's very often used to troll and harass, though, so we keep an eye on its usage.

[reef bobcat]

Nightingale is a f*cking joke, I dont know what it takes to make a game but they delayed the game 3 times to "Bring a polished product because they only have one shot at a first impression" And this is they came up with?

UI is broken af, performance is terrible, world is nice but buildings are just asset builder copy pasted trash everything looks copy pasted

Enemies and combat are janky

I buy almosst every EA surviva lgame that came out last few years this has to be the worst game I ever played after DayZ back when it launched.

[limber zinc]

So uhhh...basically it's a hard pass?

Good to know.

[reef bobcat]

For real yeah

[trail shadow]

if you thought I was defending steam, I'm sorry, it was more about attacking Sweeney and EGS, because he's a gaslighter and pathological liar and has thrown money around to get exclusives for his barely functioning platform and villifying everyone else in the process

[limber zinc]

I almost just bought it. Lol

Moving on!

[reef bobcat]

U can have mine if i could give it away

[limber zinc]

Nah thanks though

[reef bobcat]

I dont easily get pissed at games but damn I dont get why people hype the game up

lmao

I said something about the game and Fanboys started attacking me left and right there in their discord.

[finite saffron]

Ah yeah I mean Epic aren't exactly the good guys, though they were in my experience much nicer to work for than any other platforms in terms of getting support and stuff (worked with them on a previous project). All the platforms kinda suck

[burnt spear]

Please do not circumvent the profanity filter by censoring your words like that. This will result in a mute of you continue to do so.

[limber zinc]

To each their own I suppose, just majority rules most of the time.

Reviews are...not great.

[rapid yoke]

Sadly nightingale looked like the kind of game that was designed to be pretty, but really lacked something below the surface.

Good ideas, poor execution style.

[limber zinc]

Am I stupid for anxiously awaiting Light No Fire?

We shall see

[reef bobcat]

U can say damned but I cant say that?

[burnt spear]

If you are then so am I.

[limber zinc]

Solidarity!!

[timber prism]

The devs who put out Fortnite are some of the nicest devs I have interacted with during alpha testing any game.

[reef bobcat]

Light no fire looks nice.

[rapid yoke]

there are levels of words that communities deem profane enough to censor, damned isn't one of them here.

[reef bobcat]

Snowflakes.

[limber zinc]

Great song

[rapid yoke]

I wouldn't call you stupid at all, the trailer was engaging and they likely learned from the NMS mistakes. I though, am hesitant and willing to wait for reviews before even looking at it.

[limber zinc]

Considering what NMS looks like now... I'm excited for LNF.

[burnt spear]

What I said wasn't a curse word we moderate. What you used is a curse word written in a way to avoid AutoMod. This isn't a discussion, I have informed you what you should not do and the consequences of it.

[rapid yoke]

Some people's kids man...

[finite saffron]

Our game's age rating is 12+, we generally keep the language on here in-line with what would be expected from that kind of rating/age group.

I've ran other servers that were much less strict because the game was rated M, has nothing to do with being "snowflakes" as you call it...

[trail shadow]

whole argument started over a clown emoji and the person who got clown emoji'd in the first place just ignored it lmao

[limber zinc]

I have no horse in this race but ummm...most 12 yr olds curse like sailors nowadays. 😂

[trail shadow]

clown emojis don't bother me it just tells me you have no real argument

[finite saffron]

Yeah I agree, ratings boards are scared of naughty words though lol

[limber zinc]

Least of my worries where kids are concerned. I get the thought though.

[trail shadow]

its the discord equivalent of flipping the monopoly board

[limber zinc]

I am guilty of that.

And rage quitting COD.

[honest valley]

how else do you end monopoly?

[finite saffron]

I don't think monopoly was meant to be completed normally

[trail shadow]

I don't know I've never finished a game

[reef bobcat]

Say that instead of throwing a mute to me instantly lmao

[limber zinc]

Oh snap

Potty mouth

[finite saffron]

You... are still talking

You're not muted

You got a warning lol

[rapid yoke]

They did...

[reef bobcat]

lol

[limber zinc]

He was silent for a few mins.

[honest valley]

who is this dog

[rapid yoke]

Looks like a good boy to me

[trail shadow]

should talk about games in the other games channel, yeah?
anyone else hype for the future fragments release tonight at midnight?

[rapid yoke]

never heard of it

[timber prism]

I just found it easier to emoji than respond with text. If you want to know why... its because of your blanket statement that players don't care about how much money goes towards devs

[limber zinc]

No clue what that is honestly.

[finite saffron]

#pet-pics message

[timber prism]

But I totally get how you can perceive the emoji as not having an argument

[reef bobcat]

test

[limber zinc]

Lmao

[trail shadow]

I didn't mean to say players don't care, I meant that Sweeney using that as an advertisement was dumb because it's not a selling point for the majority of people, the average consumer just wants the game they don't think beyond that

[rapid yoke]

Hey man, it worked!

[reef bobcat]

Myth of empires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBjLu8azjU

[trail shadow]

also doesn't EGS only give that cut up to a certain point? or after the game sells enough? I'm pretty sure I read that at some point a couple years ago

[reef bobcat]

I agree with lazypeon, seems like a overpromised underdelivered game just like nightingale whatever the reason might be haha. crazy how they throw trailers and screenshots that are like two worlds apart form the actual execution / game itself.

[limber zinc]

That happens A LOT. False advertising. Lol

[reef bobcat]

Maybe publishers rushing them to a release date.

[honest valley]

ive been replaying bg3 (hopefully gonna reach act 2&3 this time) and i dont think i have ever seen these 2 agree on something together 😂

[reef bobcat]

Easy to assume probably perspective shifts when you know what it takes to make a game too can only assume from a consumers standpoint

[rapid yoke]

This is why I prefer the Enshrouded approach, underhype the game, promise nothing and release something halfway decent that obviously needs work, but doesn't really disappoint.

[timber prism]

I will have to look into it. I know that if devs apply for their exclusive six month program, they get 100% of revenue for those first six months then its 12% given to EGS after that

[reef bobcat]

Enshrouded is the best game I played in years ill keep saying it haha.

If it was trash i'd say it too FR FR

[finite saffron]

Standard fee is always 12 yeah, though with deals they make with devs it can change depending on whatever they hash out.

[limber zinc]

Currently downloading. Time will tell if I agree. Lol

[rapid yoke]

Downloading what?

[trail shadow]

Enshrouded surprised me, I had never even heard of it before randomly seeing it on the steam front page, it's been my most played game over the past 2 weeks by far

[finite saffron]

If you use unreal engine for your game I think it's lower than 12%, but technically that's just their way of sorta waiving the already existing unreal engine fee which iirc is 5%

[limber zinc]

Enshrouded. I'm a slacker.

[rapid yoke]

Ah nice, enjoy!

[limber zinc]

Thanks!

[reef bobcat]

I follow this gamedev that explains how hard it is to make a game, but just because a game is hard to make its not really the problem of the consumer and doesnt or shouldnt allow them to deliver a underwhelming game right haha seems dropping games into EA is just an excuse to present a broken game it SEEMS But im probably off and its situational idk.

[rapid yoke]

I think the gaming community as a whole needs to lower their expectations

[reef bobcat]

It feels like the era of Early acces I wonder why that is or I just now started noticing EA games.

[finite saffron]

Early Access is kinda just... Well it's an early release. It's whatever devs want it to be. There's no rules or guidelines for what an EA game has to be, so some of them are super polished and others are borderline unplayable.

[trail shadow]

Early access is just a tool like anything else, it's not inherently bad, but like any tool it can and is abused by many

[limber zinc]

TBH I've played some of the worse games ever. Usually only stayed for the people. My time on Atlas was less than desirable gameplay wise

[reef bobcat]

Im very hyped and been following Wayfinder for a long time its like a Warframe kinda game

[limber zinc]

Warframe was ok.

[reef bobcat]

Made alot of assumptions about them dropping a broken game and a community manager said they were forced into EA by the publisher in a way.

Does Keen games have a publisher? I read they lended 8 million by a company to build the game, they must be happy with the games succes for sure.

[limber zinc]

Hopefully not Disney

[reef bobcat]

Got to go, good evening.

[limber zinc]

Later tater

[finite saffron]

We are self published but received investments from several different places. I don't have the fill list on hand but I know the German government was one of them, hence why we have that little badge in our trailers and stuff.

[limber zinc]

That doesn't sound sus at all. Lol

[finite saffron]

What part?

[limber zinc]

The German government part. 😂

[finite saffron]

The German government thing is very normal, we're a German studio and they've been investing into pretty much all their major development studios right now to try and expand their tech market.

[limber zinc]

More power to em. Their government is probably not as...hmm... don't wanna hit the censors... 'eccentric' as ours. Lol

[finite saffron]

Works pretty great honestly, they've definitely made more back on taxes than they put into it. Invested in a lot of small indie studios

German game dev has grown a lot in the last few years.

[limber zinc]

Some indie games are above and beyond.

[sharp ether]

Been loving indie games and revisiting older games more than 'AAA' these days for sure.

[limber zinc]

Mhm. I definitely have my moments on that. Some feel so much more personal.

You can feel the devotion and passion for the craft.

[sharp ether]

Yeah, and reminds me of when I was a kid and we had the 2600, Colecovision and especially my Commodore 64, so a bit of nostalgia for me.

[limber zinc]

Wow... that's a way throwback

[sharp ether]

Yeah, lol, been playing video games since I was a kid in the 70s, used to go the skate field trips just to play arcade games.

[limber zinc]

OS gamer still loving it...very nice. I did the Nintendo/PlayStation era. Lol

[sharp ether]

Nice. Yeah I still have my old consoles, in boxes though for now.

[limber zinc]

PC gaming was Oregon Trail.

Impressive

[sharp ether]

I still have my disk notcher too, to make 5.25 floppies double sided but pay less for the signle sided ones. XD

[limber zinc]

Lmao...that has to be worth some money. Totally useless but completely nostalgic.

[timber prism]

Old school gaming flipping that floppy disk

[craggy egret]

Back when Apple led the charge on desktop gaming... Lol...

[craggy egret]

I think I found my people!

[limber zinc]

Haha facts!

[sharp ether]

Insert disk 4 side B and press return

[finite saffron]

Hey maybe they're on the comeback

[limber zinc]

Just shoot me now. 😂

Slap Pokemon Go on that bad boy and RIP Earth.

[finite saffron]

I don't even want to think about how much of a nightmare that thing probably is to develop games for lol

[limber zinc]

I get vertigo just thinking about it.

[rapid yoke]

Hey pokemon go was great when you could hatch eggs while cycling XD

[sharp ether]

Oh man, we had Apple 2 Es and Commodore 64s in computer class in high school, and we all wanted to use the C64s since they were easier to use and had better sound for games after school. And the joystick port was the same as the Atari 2600, Colecovision, Sega Master System and Genesis so that was nice.

Although the Sega systems came later.

[limber zinc]

After I found some strange guy in my yard in the middle of the night...I rejected the game. This is not the place for that. Lol

[finite saffron]

I liked when it was at peak crazy and people were like, driving their cars around to get to the best pokemon spots lol

[rapid yoke]

You should be happy he was getting a ghastly out of your yard

Did you want a haunted house? Because that's how you get a haunted house

[limber zinc]

This is the kinda place where you'll catch a Mossberg faster than a Ghastly. 😂

Coulda been haunted either way after that

This download is hefty. Makes me more excited for the game.

[rapid yoke]

If you end up having questions or anything don't hesitate!

[limber zinc]

Will do! Much appreciated!

[timber prism]

Catching Pokémon while driving on the highway

Was curious and need to research the accuracy of this... but extremely scary if true

[rapid yoke]

Yeah that's just insane, people gotta do better XD

[timber prism]

I remember when the game first came out... I ended up walking miles to random pokemon spots

I even found a group of 10-12 people in the woods near my neighborhood at one of the spots... like not off a trail but legit deep in the woods XD

[rapid yoke]

It was a great idea to get people outside and engaged with others imo, some people (aka drivers/tresspassers) definitely took it too far.

[short sail]

I know a lot of people who... I've been told that they later regretted starting the game.

[timber prism]

I found it super fun for that aspect until I found out that people were exploiting ways to trick their phone in thinking they were going places but were really just sitting at home

It was fun though to interact with strangers you wouldn't have met otherwise

[rapid yoke]

I probably did it for a month or so casually, it was good motivation to get out on the bike though. Set up a couple long eggs and just ride, stop and reset new eggs. Was a great tool, then they patched it to be like 10mph max or something :/

[finite saffron]

Uhhh what is the source for this? It seems probably inaccurate lol. World governments hate videogames so even a fraction of that kinda damage would probably lead to sweeping regulations.

This seems to be a (probably?) more accurate tracker https://pokemongodeathtracker.com/

Oh found it

Yeah that seems like not a super accurate way to measure something lol

[timber prism]

Xd

Blame Indiana!

[craggy egret]

Holy crap Lol

I am from Tippecanoe County

[rapid yoke]

I assume the deaths weren't scaled, but you could extrapolate some data like costs and average accidents

[craggy egret]

They got those stats from there??? Lmao

[rapid yoke]

Two economists got some basic info from there and wrote a paper and scaled the results as an estimate for the US

It was something like in the first 150 days from pokemon go releasing, the county experienced 250 extra traffic accidents

and cost the county like 25mm

[timber prism]

Did you participate in the Pokemon Go craze there?

[craggy egret]

Tippecanoe County, home to Lafayette, Battle Ground, Pizza King Video Arcade Trains, Purdue, and Battleground, the site in the French and Indian war where The Prophet finally surrendered to forces, and the entire Native American Population in Indiana was transported to Oklahoma branding the Trail of Tears. Also home to Wolf Park, the largest Wolf Sanctuary in the US, and last but not least the home of the Rubber Duck race down the Wabash River...

Man so many memories. And for real the last place I would consider for sample testing for Pokemon Go and Driving... Lol...

Nuts. Anyways... Go Boilermakers!

[gusty compass]

Son of the forest 1.0 release today. Have anyone tried it?

[rapid yoke]

Wow, they beat enshrouded to 1.0? Keen slackin

I should still play the forest tbh, maybe next sale

[gusty compass]

I skip the forest. I dont know if the story connecting or not

[sharp ether]

Gigantic is coming back soon, really liked it before, but it had some issues that held it back. Was still fun despite that though.

[tepid wadi]

I'm not really a fan of the theme of sons of the forest, just the horror cannibal vibe doesn't do it for me

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/RhKLjaN9nwQ?si=nxcbAtQJ5B48bcTy

[reef bobcat]

no 3rd person but the first person is really nice and max fov is pretty nutty lol

the game is really good imo i got 74 hrs EA but im abt to restart

i also heard guns were a huge success for dying light 2

[limber zinc]

@rapid yoke Ahem...so this game...I'm already addicted.

Glad I didn't buy Nightingale. Lol

[sharp ether]

I did, but got that refund. Enshrouded is good stuff, although I miss my spooky bone wall sounds for my underground base.

[limber zinc]

I just want a hobbit house 🥺

[tepid wadi]

Definitely hyped. It looks really good.

[gusty compass]

It looks really good but my poor pc can’t play

[timber prism]

Suggest playing Dragon's Dogma 1 if you haven't... its also very good!

[gusty compass]

Does it have similar gameplay?

[timber prism]

yeah.. its much older but yeah.. the combat is great

[rapid yoke]

Amazing !

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/dlgrnVtJlxc?si=N7d2m953A6-VUqv5

[tepid wadi]

Similar, but you feel the age from it these days. It lacks some of the smoothness from more recent games

[elfin shale]

We don't know what it feels like to play DD2 yet, so it could still have the same general feel to playing because it's what the devs wanted.

[tepid wadi]

Very possibly, but I imagine there are some QOL features that are pretty pervasive in gaming these days that are likely to appear. 12 years is a long time ago 😝

[tulip gale]

Should I buy no man’s sky? Is this game similar to valheim or enshrounded?

[finite saffron]

I wouldn't say it's very similar no, but it's a good game

[maiden lark]

Nightingale might be slightly similar, i think.. havnt had a chance to check it out as i got too much to build. 😅

[sullen garden]

Any more ppl who have played Sons of the Forest 2? Looks fun af, but it feels kinda weirdly in between a sandbox game and a story-based game

[unreal vessel]

Wait

[unreal vessel]

It is a lot of fun
Less focused on building and more on exploration

[full ginkgo]

I'm playing Nightingale right now and while there are some really neat things about it... I find myself wishing Enshrouded would release an update and save me from myself. 😂

[unreal vessel]

same
I played for 20 hours and I decided to play enshrouded again, just chill and build a nice base

[full ginkgo]

I'm at 38 hours, and I don't think I'm going to make it much longer. The progression is really slow and frustrating. The ratio of time to reward just feels really... bad.

I have 285 hours in Enshrouded, and it was easy to do because it was just fun being in the world.

Nighingale doesn't hit that mark. I kinda feel like I have a second job. 😅 Hopefully some good ol fashioned QoL updates change that.

[unreal vessel]

You speak out of my soul
It felt like running errands... and not the fun ones.
You kept at it, because you think, '''Maybe I just have to work for the fun... now it will come... now.... nnnnow''

[tepid wadi]

It took me a bit to realize it, but I finally got one of the things that bothers me. No Character progression. It's always baffling to me when games also don't include some form of character progression. It always makes the game feel shallow, like if the only progression to the game is my gear, then it doesn't feel as meaningful as if I'm leveling up as I go along. Even if it's as simple as Valheim where you get (very) minor bonuses for leveling up your skills, it still feels really meaningful to be a character in the late game and be significantly stronger than you were when you started, gear nonwithstanding.

[misty arch]

its f2p this weekend so give it a shot and see if you like it

[sharp ether]

I had to refund Nightingale after 3 hours. Didn't hate it, and it looks great, but so many irritations, and the combat was boring with the lousy AI. I don't mind some complexity and grind in my games, but oooff

[timber prism]

Does this apply to only certain genres?

From what you wrote it I assume you don't play any fighting games for this reason haha

[tepid wadi]

Well, it's primarily in the context of survival games I think. It bothered me about Return to Moria as well. You could certainly have games where it doesn't matter.

[timber prism]

Kk

[tepid wadi]

Fighting games, some shooters, BR games, etc don't really need persistent character progression

[timber prism]

Fully agree. I was just curious on the context of the statement ^^

[tepid wadi]

I spend a lot of time thinking about game design decisions and why they make you feel the way they do.

[candid quiver]

My van is like level 79 in Virtua Fighter and i unlocked her 4th stance and put points into strenght ^^

🤭

But, you yourself deffo levels up in fighting games atleast ^^

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, you as a player get better, but that's not really what I'm talking about 😝 I know Soul Calibur added in some RPG elements into the last one, I dunno much about it though, fighting games aren't really my jam

[candid quiver]

Yeah i get it ^^ just saw a chance to yap a bit about virtua fighter and went with it ^^ :p

[tepid wadi]

I mean that is definitely an aspect of game design that is very interesting to talk about though. Players who are good at games are totally different than players who suck, from a design standpoint. It's hard for game designers and testers to really accurately test for people who have never played a game before.

Like how Elden Ring is often considered one of the easier Souls games. I bet if you gave Elden Ring to the early Souls fans back in the day they'd go crazy with how difficult some parts of it are.

Some of the shit people do in older fighting games in the modern era would blow the minds of people in the 90s

[timber prism]

Virtua Fighter is one of my favs of all time

used to play VF2 so much in the arcades

[candid quiver]

I started with VF4 vanilla and have been my only prefered fignting game ever since

Just wish sega would take better care of it

And release for PC too

[timber prism]

I grew up playing them all but I only really play SF6 and T8 atm

[candid quiver]

It never feels the same for me when i try tekken or sf now,
There is a nerve and pace to VF (and less magic fluff allover the screen)

Vf4 and vf5 us for ps4, its.. exquisite ^^

[timber prism]

yeah the gameplay is definitely different.. even SF5 to SF6 was a huge change

[candid quiver]

I mean vf

They are all too diff from VF, kinda feels less clean

[timber prism]

i haven't played the modern VF's

[candid quiver]

Theyre awesome ^^

[timber prism]

i do love watching their evo tourneys

im super excited to see SF Third Strike getting a tourney this year

would love to see VF5 make a return... it would be way more interesting to watch than MK1 lmao

[candid quiver]

We all cry for sega to do better by VF on the vfdc community ^^

VF5 for PC, or a VF6

Its annoying booting up the ps4 to play vf, would be so much smoother to have a pc release

[timber prism]

Sega used to be so big into it :c

[candid quiver]

Yeah

[timber prism]

Eternal Champions, VF, Fighting Vipers

😭

[candid quiver]

Tekken director is a huuuge vf fan too ^^

We get interviews where he goes on about wishing for a new vf, nauw ^^

[timber prism]

that is awesome

i feel like it doesn't get enough love for being the first big 3D fighter

Sega had some other one before but it was only in Japan i think

[candid quiver]

Yeah VF was (is in parts) big in japan and arcades

Theres always hype when VF community members manage to get some lil VF into EVO

Feels like the forgotten big brother/sister to tekken/sc/doa ^^

Needs some love ^^

[timber prism]

Sega too busy making yakuza games T_T

[candid quiver]

Lol yeah, and putting vf into them a little ^^

Id say playing vf makes me better with timings for other games too in a way, like enshrpuded variable parrying and elden ring ^^

[timber prism]

Yeah.. ahaha i was playing VF in Judgement XD

[candid quiver]

I keep that block up and wait for the right frame ^^

Sidestep, throw escape, dash

[timber prism]

im always a fan of stuff with timing like that

Wild Hearts ( Electronic Arts Monster Hunter ) had a really fun weapon that was an umbrella that was all based around parry

[candid quiver]

Sounds neat too ^^

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I think for a first gen monster hunter competitor, Wild Hearts was actually a really good game. Like obviously it didn't have the draw that MH game have, but MH has been building their audience for like... 15+ years

[sharp ether]

Playing some AI War:Fleet Command again, love it.

[flint shoal]

That's one of those "best games you suck at" categories for me

bought the first and second and all the dlc cause they're cool af but hardly play it

[sharp ether]

I need to play 2 more, but I keep going back to 1

[gusty compass]

I heard nightingale endgame is good. Is it true?

[iron fable]

I played in the stress test and it went from being one of my most-wanted games to leaving my wish list. Nice looking game but the combat is wanting and the AI is terrible IMO

[sharp ether]

That's a big part of why I refunded it.

[round spruce]

I can't play the game due to the minidump crash. Please tell me how to solve it.

[unkempt trout]

I dislike a lot about nightingale. It's a great game, but it's not for me. Dislike the crafting, not much for creativity, it feels too much like rust or ark to me, which I very much dislike both of those games.

[quaint cosmos]

@unkempt trout I tried Rust a month ago, but was bored of it in 10 minutes. Some Rust content looks ok to me, but I couldn't handle playing it myself.

[unborn cave]

Same. The environment is pretty, the characters look fugly, and the combat was not fun. The UI also needed major work. It also was removed from my wish list.

[unkempt trout]

Yeah, they definitely aren't solo games lol. The one awesome thing about Enshrouded. You don't need to have people or feel like you do. Even if it was made heavily with co-op in mind. That, and all my friends don't play the same game anymore, so it's not like I have anyone to play with anyhow.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/oob22D0t-Wo?si=7ZGdJzlpcN_3KvM8

[sly sierra]

I think I've got enough survival games going on that I'll never get bored

[reef bobcat]

Last Epoch is having a rough launch for its online components.

Which is a shame because underneath the stability and connectivity issues, it's a solid game.

[tepid wadi]

Someone said this on their reddit and I agree: Connection issues are the best problem for a dev to have, it means too many people are trying to play their game. It's literally suffering from success. Might some people be turned off by the issues at launch and not get the game? Sure. But that amount is probably smaller than the horde of people actively trying to get in and play, and because you're having launch issues, that group is probably also way larger than YOU expected it to be, so you're probably in a good spot.

They've been having server issues since launch (4 days) and they've still got almost 200k concurrent players. They've been super communicative about figuring out the server stuff, they'll get it figured out eventually.

[timber prism]

Agreed. Helldivers 2 suffered from this as well for two weeks now and its just a vocal minority complaining. Luckily, the majority are actually sane. Despite the issues, it still managed to reach its all time peak after two weeks. I'm sure that Last Epoch will do the same.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I've been playing LE for a while and they're bringing some big shoes to the ARPG genre. I'm glad to see them doing such a great job with the game, even from the last patch the advancements are HUGE. Some of the lighting stuff they've done makes them game feel so much more atmospheric and the revamp on all the character rigs and animations ups the quality significantly.

[sharp ether]

LE looks good, and as Force points out in that video, costs less than a horse in D4.

[tepid wadi]

In one of zizaran's pre-launch videos, he talked about it being a midpoint between D4 and poe in a lot of ways, specifically cost it's EXACTLY half way between free and $70 😝

[sharp ether]

nice

[sweet stirrup]

https://www.gamingbible.com/news/platform/wife-of-helldivers-2-player-starts-support-group-for-partners-008747-20240220

👏🏻

[sharp ether]

I loved D2, D3 got boring fast, and I uninstalled battle net years ago, so LE and possibly PoE2 are looking good

[tepid wadi]

Ahh gamer widows, a tale as old as time.

[sweet stirrup]

Amen

[tepid wadi]

My strategy is pretty much to play them until I get bored and then come back for new seasons and stuff. LE has the benefit of having lots of fun builds to try

[sharp ether]

We finished Grim Dawn a couple years ago as well.

[fallow bobcat]

What’s a good follow up after having played valheim and then enshrouded and wanting more of the same

[lethal sparrow]

on a scall on 1 to 10 how good is this game

[reef bobcat]

uhhh

that's subjective lmao

[quaint cosmos]

if you mean Valheim, at the direction its going, 4 out of 10.

[candid quiver]

Nothing better then Diablo 2 yet. Epoch might be the closest so far.