the-tavern

[wraith umbra]

It's almost like some words have weightier usage than others

That may impact others more than some words

[ionic hemlock]

You're a sideways swastika

See. I got around it 🙂

[real marlin]

Only based on context. I can't talk about the Producers at all now.

[wraith umbra]

Not here no

[ocean anvil]

lets not go there please

[wraith umbra]

It's a mid musical anyway

[ocean anvil]

all age discord here

[real marlin]

It isn't meant to be a good musical?

[wraith umbra]

it's even more mid satire

[real marlin]

Which is the best satire

Can't have satire trying to hard

[noble anchor]

[real marlin]

dundundun

[ionic hemlock]

[real marlin]

That guy is the best

[ionic hemlock]

[ocean anvil]

@noble anchor Ricky Stanicky was really good on amazon.

[ionic hemlock]

It was a 6 at best

[pastel oyster]

What the hell did I come back to? 😵‍💫

[ocean anvil]

John Cena

[pastel oyster]

I left on Monty Python... sometimes it's best not to read what you missed while gone xD

[real marlin]

Also he is just the best human.

[noble anchor]

How can you tell? The gif is blank.

[ionic hemlock]

No. Taylor Swift is.

[ocean anvil]

that scene was great in the movie

[pastel oyster]

Dolly Parton, Hands down.

[ionic hemlock]

Dolly can chew on a bag of richards. Taytay for the win

[noble anchor]

Hey now...

[pastel oyster]

We can no longer be friends.

[real marlin]

Dolly is a good one too! Don't know who Taylor Swift is

[ionic hemlock]

Sowwy

[ocean anvil]

@noble anchor

[pastel oyster]

The Rock is also an amazing human. 🙂

[ionic hemlock]

Steroids

[real marlin]

Guy Fieri also, randomly amazing person with frosted tips and Hawaiian shirts. Who'd have thunk it

[ionic hemlock]

meh

[wraith umbra]

Dolly Parton for president!

[pastel oyster]

of the world.

[real marlin]

Books for everyone!

[wraith umbra]

We really do be gotta getting people more books a lot

[real marlin]

If only

But books are scary, what with their ideas and different perspectives.

[pastel oyster]

Specifically the ones that don't have the "scary bits" torn out.

[crystal torrent]

Books are like coffee, once you learn to appreciate them you can't go without them.

[ionic hemlock]

Books are only good for smashing bugs and slapping people in the face really really hard.

[pastel oyster]

So, on a lighter note - My husband's work started making people come back into the office, and for the first time in her life, my cat doesn't have both of us home all the time. She now sleeps on his chair while he's gone. I don't think she is a fan of him going in to work.

[ionic hemlock]

And being armor against prison shanks in prison.

[real marlin]

Tortillas are good for a nice face slapping too

[pastel oyster]

Why does everyone want to smoosh bugs 😢

[ionic hemlock]

bugs are terrible

[real marlin]

That is lame, my condolences. Unless you two were driving each other crazy, then party time I guess!

[tame seal]

For democracy!

[pastel oyster]

We have never driven eachother crazy. My hubby is kinda like an extension of myself. It feels strange when he isn't here.

[ocean anvil]

bugs in game = smashing until not noticeable

[open raptor]

Not a true gamer, but what is the best way to start this game. I'm getting demolished. lol

Anything I could grind to level up?

[real marlin]

I'm cool with the bugs that eat other bugs. We need more of those, then they can duke it out for the last bite at the end of the bug world. Bugocalypse if you will. All Thunderdome like. With tiny bug technicals and spiked out motorcycles.

[ionic hemlock]

@pastel oyster I just got a call from my daugher's school. I'm in trouble.

[real marlin]

Well then lame it is! Work from home should be the standard.

[pastel oyster]

Somehow I am not surprised. 🤣 What did you do?

[lament root]

Flintstone, near your starting base.

[real marlin]

Just work on the low level junk until you are untouchable then move on. Also shields are neat.

[pliant quarry]

#getting-started might also help your new player questions not get drowned out by the general convo

[pastel oyster]

It's less about leveling up (though a little) and more about getting better weapons and gear. Make some armor, get better weapons and select some helpful skills 🙂

[real marlin]

But... we are helping

[crystal torrent]

Mining ores give you xp, so put that pickaxe to use. Not many you can find early on but there's flintstone in the starting area.

[real marlin]

Yeah levels don't mean much, the roots are were it is at but getting them can be tricky if you are getting run over

[pliant quarry]

Yeah tbh I was midway through typing that when people started answering them lmao

[real marlin]

If you do the mining thing get the stam skills for it. Respecs are basically free

[open raptor]

Awesome! Thank you

[pastel oyster]

We are very helpful here... except when we aren't. 🤣

[ocean anvil]

always upgrade and you can go back to main menu and restart game to reset everything and redo stuff

[crystal torrent]

Honey reloads stamina fast.

[pastel oyster]

...and for a while there, honey reloaded fast. 🤣

[open raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/nerfed-it-bartonologist-made-it-weak-weakened-it-xset-gif-21139322

[pastel oyster]

So... is my Unicorn farting sparkly rainbows in the next update? 🥹

🥹

[open raptor]

🦄

[pastel oyster]

rofl, Toast doesn't love me anymore.

[pliant quarry]

no

[pastel oyster]

One day...

[gentle forum]

And my suggestion, is it getting added?

[pastel oyster]

Good Morning, Cat-hater 🙂

[gentle forum]

It’s 3pm

[pastel oyster]

It's always morning somewhere. 🙂

[ocean anvil]

@pliant quarry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee83B7RYSUc unreal 5 Hellblade 2 animation

[gentle forum]

Not if the sun explodes

[crystal torrent]

It's not, it's 9:28 pm

[pastel oyster]

If the sun explodes, there will be no one around to perceive whether it is or is not morning, so it will constantly be in a state of flux as both morning and not morning.

[carmine scroll]

God i wish the sun would explode.

[gentle forum]

I like it, let’s go with that option. Thanks.

[pliant quarry]

Saw this before actually, seems neat. The animation itself isn't actually particularly revolutionary, we've had extremely hyper-realistic animation in cinematics for a while now, but the accessibility of it is certainly pretty cool

[ocean anvil]

the speed of the tech is impressive

[pliant quarry]

Yep, a lot of UE5 tools kinda fall in that boat. A lot of very fast and easy to use tools for things that used to require massive budgets and teams. Their proc world gen tools especially blew me away when I first saw them. Tools like that have existed for a while, but not so easy to use and built into the engine like that.

[ocean anvil]

yup

[pastel oyster]

I'd imagine it's still a game of "realism vs. reality" where it's give-and-take on how real things can be and the resources used to do so, though.

[ocean anvil]

@pastel oyster it's always what the end tech can do, consoles, pc processing

[pastel oyster]

People see this stuff and think "Games are gonna be so cool now!" but in reality, most games couldn't have this kind of tech everywhere and still run on the average computer. The gamers get mad that their new game isn't "real enough" because the technology is available.

[real marlin]

Pretty sure we are rapidly approaching a point where it is so easy to make a video game that big studios collapse and the entire industry has to change. Sort of like what Youtube, Tiktok and Spotify did for music.

[ocean anvil]

most consoles when released are 4 yrs behind current tech, due to the development cycle of the console

[pastel oyster]

People will always want their brand name stuff. I don't think AAA studios are going anywhere.

[real marlin]

One of these days it might get so easy that I can finally make mine! That'd be neat

[ocean anvil]

I'm waiting for Star citizen

[pliant quarry]

Not always, optimization on the developer end goes a long way. Which UE5 has also pushed VERY far with their nanite system. Which team me is by far the most impressive part of UE5, and surprisingly doesn't get talked about as much as some of their other "flashy" features https://youtu.be/Dj60HHy-Kqk?si=zODka_jG3iob4MMg&t=111

[ocean anvil]

@pliant quarry thanks

[crystal torrent]

Plus consoles are built to fit a certain price range, over $800 is a hard sale.

[ocean anvil]

💯

[burnt thistle]

wait, was there actually a recent content update?

[quiet geyser]

Isn't the Enshrouded engine custom built for the voxel engine?

[real marlin]

It is all about the money. If it doesn't make sense to have half a billion dollar project when 10 people can do about the same for less than half the cost then that is what will happen.

[real marlin]

nope

[pliant quarry]

actually this video does a much better job explaining nanite https://youtu.be/POwTaVZ_CA0?si=q3-LF3oYTzfse1dE

I'm not exactly a UE fanboy, but I have to give them credit that this tech specifically goes a loooong way in making it easier for devs, especially smaller teams, to make great looking games that don't run like garbage

[quiet geyser]

I barely ever touch any AAA games anymore unless it's a really good Nintendo game

[pastel oyster]

Speed is also a factor. A team of 2 will never be able to put out the same quality stuff as fast as a team of 20.

[crystal torrent]

Latest one was end of February.

[wet sluice]

ive only been playing enshrouded past 2 days.

[pastel oyster]

and if they are too slow, the technology bypassed them by the time they release.

[ocean anvil]

2 - 3 weeks ish for content update to enshrouded

[real marlin]

Not never, eventually we will get to a point that licensed AI software will be able to do the bulk of the leg work and the turn around will shrink a lot.

[quiet geyser]

Enshrouded took over my life. Every day after work at 10 pm I hop on Enshrouded until I look up and it's like 7 AM

[pastel oyster]

Not content, no. There was an update on the 25th - and a content update coming "this month"

[pliant quarry]

We're getting there, this project was made by a solo developer in UE5 https://youtu.be/Oe8lU18G89Q?si=KJqlpcY5_0ue4LZ7&t=65

(no clue if the game iteslf will be good or not, but it's a good showcase of how powerful the procedural and optimization tools are if a solo dev can make this, even by just sorta "asset flipping" built in UE5 assets)

[unreal hull]

Hey- new to game and community, 100 hours in

This is just a me thing maybe, but are they going to add your weapons being stowable on your back? Or have it when climbing etc?

[quiet geyser]

We have 12 days of this month to left

[ocean anvil]

@unreal hull has been mentioned and suggested

!upvote

[unborn sigil]

Future features can be voted on to show your interest on Feature Upvote!

Adding new suggestions is currently disabled, but please search one of the existing 2600+ suggestions and upvote/comment it, your idea is almost certainly in there already!

Created by random27#0 (787104841360736266)

[unreal hull]

Figured, thank you!

[pastel oyster]

And then we'll be doomed, because AI will be putting people out of work. Already as it is, the hubby is having a hard time finding a job because of the changes AI has made to the tech/coding industry,

[ocean anvil]

@pastel oyster it's like the self cashout at walmart or other stores, i goto the actual cashier- I like human interaction

[burnt thistle]

okay, that was a bugfix thing. Okay, I was like 'wait, what'

[real marlin]

It will eventually land on some middle ground. AI will just be another tool to use. Some will, some won't but it isn't going to completely kill anything related.

[ocean anvil]

ai will kill all humans - we seen the movie

[crystal torrent]

We do expect a content update within a few weeks though, unless something goes horribly wrong.

[keen elbow]

Good evening

[real marlin]

Not sure how much content the content update will have but yeah

[quasi saffron]

Still driving?

[crystal torrent]

Yep, still an unknown.

[ocean anvil]

✅

[pastel oyster]

If John Q Ordinary can walk in and use an AI to make a website, no one is going to hire a skilled developer to make their site. Companies will lay off hundreds of workers to save money, and an entire industry will be lost. I am not sure there will be a middle ground there.

[keen elbow]

Lol nah. At home . Went to docks to get some fresh fish. And now I'm full, doin nothin

[pastel oyster]

It's like what happened to Receptionists back in the 00's when they started getting automated phone systems.

I know - It's what I did for 15 years. Eventually there just weren't any jobs.

[keen elbow]

Also with the info line or whatever it was called. That answered your questions, just like Google ( damn I'm old)

[pastel oyster]

Ended up working in a Doctors office, then becoming a barista in my late 30's.

[lethal rune]

i'm full time live in parents basement dweller

[ocean anvil]

Journeyman welder , switched due to the work environment health. still looking for a studio to work at.

[crystal torrent]

Motorcycle mechanic

[keen elbow]

Don't come out, nothing outside

[quiet geyser]

The only job I worked at is McDonald's which is stilly current job. I absolutely hate it because managers are incompetent and upper management keeps ruining our efficiency by adding more dumb pointless rules then blaming it on us

[pastel oyster]

I mean - That's basically me now - except it's my office and not at my parent's house. 🤣 I'm not physically capable of doing any job that I could qualify for. 😦

[lethal rune]

its snowing outside right now... in basically spring... didn't snow all winter, and now it does.

[quiet geyser]

I don't even do bills I just send rent to my sister who pays them. She does the financing while I'm the mildly autistic younger brother who helps with rent and groceries

[ocean anvil]

Big cold front came down from artic if in north america

[pastel oyster]

lol - It's 67 and sunny here 😀

Granted - that's relatively chilly for SoCal in mid march.

[quiet geyser]

I live in the mid-east coast of the US and Mother Nature doesn't know what climate she wants it. It's beautiful and warm RN but it also literally snowed last week

[lethal rune]

it was warm a few days ago, and now snowing, so weird weather

[ocean anvil]

the sun is still in a cooling phase and the poles shifted in the last yr or 2 - expect weather to change

[lethal rune]

could be worse

the sun could be in an exploding phase, so i guess i'm grateful

[pastel oyster]

We had back-to-back thunder storms and more rain than I have seen in many decades this past week.

[lethal rune]

we went from like 57F on one day, to next day raining all day with high winds, to now 28F and snow, after not seeing snow at least for months? i can't even remember when.

[pastel oyster]

It's the aliens.

[ocean anvil]

pardon me the sun cycle is on it's way up, The tide is coming in. https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression

[lethal rune]

though technically in toronto where i am there should have been a lot more snow than we had

other parts of canada got like 2-3 meters of snow

it's been a mild winter for new york too, since they usually get the same weather as us

[quiet geyser]

I feel like that groundhog lied to us

[pastel oyster]

The groundhog is in league with the aliens and fake birds.

[ocean anvil]

@lethal rune alberta here

[lethal rune]

"It may not feel very Spring-like - especially in parts of Ontario and Alberta that are currently receiving snowfall - but Environment and Climate Change Canada is forecasting above-average temperatures for April, May and June across the country."

[pastel oyster]

sighs well I have to go replace the battery in my hubby's car so I can go to the DMV and get a pass to drive it for 100 miles so that it'll pass a smog so that we can register it and not get pulled over by the coppers.

[lethal rune]

sigh a hotter june.... noooooo

[pastel oyster]

I really don't want to. 😦

[elder parrot]

If its only "across" the country get up on a tall chair to escape the heat? ^^

[trail cipher]

Hi, ingame it says the gameworld will grow at some point after the release. Did anymore mention yet if the max level will increase after release too?

[pastel oyster]

!size

[unborn sigil]

Enshrouded's demo map was about 1 km², Early Access is about 24 km², and full release will be around 64 km²

Created by abadfeeling#0 (180800697455869954)

[crystal torrent]

Hmm the logic there seems a bit sus.

[elder parrot]

^^

[wraith umbra]

Level cap will increase as they expand the world.

[elder parrot]

No, there will be 10 levels removed for each new area

[wraith umbra]

I think they are hard set at landing around 50

[trail cipher]

Thanks

[pastel oyster]

Presumably. I believe CUB did say something about that last night - or "having plans to" but I can't recall exactly what was said. lol

[elder parrot]

It might or might not happen at the same updates

[pastel oyster]

Wait, where did that number come from? Did I miss something again? damned having to sleep ><

[wraith umbra]

i like making things up every now and again

[prisma frost]

Bad Adall

[keen elbow]

We had rough winter. Two days ago it was +10c and yesterday it started snowing again lol

[jade pivot]

GoboZen did some analysis for the wiki map based on actual in-game coords

Size of map area

Size of whole map = 8191,8191
Size of EA area = 6550,3500 - 1590,50 = 4960,3450

EA compared to whole world: 4960*3450 / 8191*8191 = 25.5% (percent of whole map)

So 64 square km is accurate as 8191 x 8191 m. Source: https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Help:Editing/Map/Ingame_coordinates

[trail cipher]

Interesting... and if at some point water will enter the world, it has to expand again... 🥹

[jade pivot]

Effectively, I believe it is bounded by the map frame borders (EA is near the SE corner)

[ocean anvil]

That's a big map

[pastel oyster]

yer a big map! 😉

[ocean anvil]

here's a kool vid of game map world sizes - there's newer ones out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwXV0oLEfCM&pp=ygUOZ2FtZSBtYXAgc2l6ZXM%3D

[vagrant cipher]

Thinking about it it is assumed we will have a higher player level, flame level and more wells and shroudroots to clear how big is our skill tree gonna be

[jade pivot]

Should note that not all game meters are made the same; flameborn are tall for our meters

If a door is 5 m 2.5 m tall, then flameborn must be...

[wraith umbra]

I want access to in game coordinates 😦

a door is 5 blocks tall

5 blocks is 2.5m

blocks are 0.5m per side

[compact maple]

Greetings from Germany, where the weather is always chill except for 2 months

[wraith umbra]

flameborn are tall, just oddly proportioned

[jade pivot]

8 ft for the Americans (me)

[vagrant cipher]

I dont think flameborn are oddly proportioned for their height.

[wraith umbra]

We're all about 2m tall with the shortest calves and the largest heads

[jade pivot]

The wiki map is accurate to in-game coordinates, so you can measure on there

[vagrant cipher]

Tiny calves sre the evolutionary requirement to beat the shroud

Big head for magic.

[wraith umbra]

Where are they getting the coordinates though

[jade pivot]

We took (x, y, z) samples using cheatengine at well-defined map markers and matched them to points on the game map. The same method used to rectify irl paper maps with the globe.

[ocean anvil]

3m = 10' 0" 2m = 6 feet 8 inches. 1m = 3' 4"

[civic oxide]

Всем привет

[jade pivot]

The exact method is documented: https://gitlab.com/enshrouded-wiki/enshrouded-wiki-scripts/-/blob/main/developer-tools/Exact-coordinates-from-the-game.md

If you are interested in the exact/precise scale of the game, see the map discussion on the wiki discord (a lot of math involved)

[ocean anvil]

@civic oxide english if you can, английский, если сможешь

[wraith umbra]

So it's just an applied coordinate system, not one that references some in game system, got it

[jade pivot]

Inferred; it seems that (0,0) and (8191, 8191) matches the expected dimensions for the release map

The map image uploaded to the wiki was from their press kit, which is accurate in terms of distance/area/shape preservation (i.e. not distorted nor illustration concept) from our testing

[elder parrot]

Unless its ingame its not 'the world'

[jade pivot]

The coordinates match with the building system meters, i.e. coordinates + 4 m structure will shift coordinates by 4

[elder parrot]

4m is not 4m

[wraith umbra]

?

[jade pivot]

Could you clarify?

[wraith umbra]

4m is definitely 4m

[pastel oyster]

Each brick is .5m

[wraith umbra]

he didn't say blocks

[elder parrot]

Who?!

Meter in game != meters?

[jade pivot]

I mean 4m from the building tools

[worthy stirrup]

Meter in real life != meters.

[elder parrot]

!= means Not equal to

[worthy stirrup]

Yes, I know.

[elder parrot]

I said that to someone else

[prisma frost]

I am confusion

[jade pivot]

Flameborn are just tall

[worthy stirrup]

A single meter can never equal a plural amount of meters. Meter != meters.

https://tenor.com/byyUb.gif

[elder parrot]

A meter ingame is not real meters

[past eagle]

guys can you connect to the game?

[elder parrot]

One unit - then the name of the unit.

[worthy stirrup]

Well, of course not -- how could I fit a 4m wall tile on my 2/3rds meter wide monitor?

[elder parrot]

Not like that, dont need to be silly

[jade pivot]

Wizardry

[worthy stirrup]

(I kind of do need to be silly, but I could be more useful, I suppose)

[dense pier]

How often does this game get updated?

[elder parrot]

Overview ingame != drawn map, measurements = guesstimates

[wraith umbra]

We've had two updates in two months, with another coming probably next week

[worthy stirrup]

In game, I can confirm that the 40m range allowed by a level 1 shrine does allow for 40 1m squares, so 40m = 40 1m squares.

Considering how long the game has been out in early release, it gets pretty frequent updates.

[dense pier]

Cool thx

[elder parrot]

The game is a virtual space, the 'meter' is a guesstimate

[pastel oyster]

Are you trying to connect to a server?

[wraith umbra]

Except you can have people stand in the corners, place a waypoint and get an exact in game meter measurement

[worthy stirrup]

Not sure what you mean by a guesstimate.

[elder parrot]

Players arent exact size, camera view is neither.

Perspective, fov, and so on

[wraith umbra]

You don't do it by view

[jade pivot]

I believe flameborn are 8 ft tall

[pastel oyster]

What the heck are you guys even arguing?

[wraith umbra]

You place a map marker and it tells you how far away that map marker is

[worthy stirrup]

Ah, yeah, but perspective and such are weird in the real world too.

[elder parrot]

Without ingame coordinates its guesstimates

[jade pivot]

The height of flameborn and goats

[worthy stirrup]

There are in-game coordinates though.

[wraith umbra]

There are no ingame coordinates

[elder parrot]

Its just an applied measurement

[worthy stirrup]

Or do you mean you want an XY coordinate system?

[wraith umbra]

but there are ingame measurements

which you can use to build a coordinate system, which some people did

[pastel oyster]

One block is .5 m. I placed blocks down around the entire level one flame altar, which has a distinct measurement and was able to determine that.

[dense pier]

Guess = Not accurate, Estimate = Not accurate. Guesstimate = Doubly not accurate 🙂

[elder parrot]

"Its just an applied measurment it doesnt reference ingame coordinates"

[worthy stirrup]

For example, if you go to the Kindlewastes spire, you are 2075 meters from the Nomad Highlights spire. If you go to NH spire, you're not 2075 meters from Kildwastes spire.

So those are "real" numbers in the sense that they're consistent.

[jade pivot]

All coordinate systems have the origin as a reference point (which is constructed to reference some physical/virtual point in some other space)

[elder parrot]

You first need to even establish what a meter is

Inside the game

[wraith umbra]

two blocks

[pastel oyster]

Already did that

[worthy stirrup]

It's half the size of a 2m block.

[elder parrot]

You cant say a block is 0.5 meters

[wraith umbra]

Yes you can

[elder parrot]

No

[worthy stirrup]

But, if you decide the waking spawn point is 0,0, you can measure everything from there.

[elder parrot]

I mean you can decide to guesstimate and say it is

[pastel oyster]

I just told you, the flame alter has a definitive distance, I put blocks down to determine the size of each block. Each block is .5 m.

[wraith umbra]

1 - The devs have told us this pre-launch
2- you can lay them down individually in a line in a 40m flame altar and place 80 blocks

[elder parrot]

Doesnt make it a de facto meter

[wraith umbra]

It does

[elder parrot]

As someone said, its an applied measurement

You did, in fact

[wraith umbra]

I said it was an applied coordinate system

[pastel oyster]

Oh my god this argument is beyond inane… 🤣🤣

[wraith umbra]

IE they created a coordinate system and applied it to the game

[elder parrot]

Here

[wraith umbra]

It appears accurate regardless

I was more curious where they got the system, and he told me

[elder parrot]

Well its only calling it meters in fantasy is my point.

Fantasy-meters

[wraith umbra]

They use meters in the game Ellis, what are you even getting at?

[elder parrot]

Its pixels on a screen, its not meters

[pastel oyster]

Yes, but nobody is arguing that they aren’t actual real life meters

[frozen moth]

anyone know how to make the game not crash to desktop every time they log in?

[wraith umbra]

If you say that two blocks in length is 1 meter, it is now a meter

[elder parrot]

I dont think we are discussing the same thing

Thats my point

Its guesstimate

[ocean anvil]

@elder parrot the game engine is in meters , same with 3d modeling can pick what measurement system to use

[wraith umbra]

It is not a guesstimate

[jade pivot]

This flame altar measurement is not clear to me; 40 m is the square "radius" of a flame altar, so 80 blocks fit between midpoint of an altar to an edge?

[pastel oyster]

Head over to troubleshooting and type !minidump in the chat

[frozen moth]

ty

[wraith umbra]

edge to edge is 80 blocks yes

of a 40m altar

[ocean anvil]

if they used guestimate the walls wouldn't fit together right

[jade pivot]

So the longest axis-aligned wall I can build with lv1 flame altar?

[wraith umbra]

is 80 blocks in length

[worthy stirrup]

Oh, can't upload images here.

[ocean anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046840542006345841/1214848219960442950/20240306011034_1.jpg?ex=6603d512&is=65f16012&hm=b4e07bc08d3c7ecc06a9545dbebbc8cc008eb66a7b42e175f40122bde1c98a51&

[dense pier]

Its 40x40x40, is the altar included in that? Must be so from the middle of the flame outwards, meaning you only have to lay down 79,5 blocks of the smaller size

[worthy stirrup]

Hmm. I created a 1x1 block, 2x2, 3x3, 4x4 -- The blocks are labeled as 1m, so that's a 1m x 1m box, 2m x 2m (8 square m), etc. My character is about 3.75 blocks, or 3.75m tall. So, if we assume our characters are "normal" human size, then Ellis is correct, m != meter. However, if we decide the devs labeled it correctly, then my character is 3.75 meters tall, or about 12 feet tall.

12.3 to be more accurate.

[wraith umbra]

The 2x2 block is the 1m^3 block

[dense pier]

just use m²

[worthy stirrup]

The 2x2 block is actually 4 1m blocks wide.

[wraith umbra]

The blocks are 0.5m per side

[dense pier]

or m³

[worthy stirrup]

If they're only .5m per side, then the blocks in the 1m row aren't 1m, which makes even less sense.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055134044720992337/1219775513141444608/Enshrouded_3_19_2024_6_27_10_PM.png?ex=660c8778&is=65fa1278&hm=51fafab91b0134f8fc639897ee76226379d6d0f85d6307d024ffa040d307e9f0&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055134044720992337/1219775511908188201/Enshrouded_3_19_2024_6_25_55_PM.png?ex=660c8778&is=65fa1278&hm=49d9a1f68581c239fa45a4ea529ce7f873245c0b5027305595220ce63176a6d2&

[wraith umbra]

We just gave you all the data you need above

[dense pier]

So whats the point of these measurements?

[jade pivot]

Need to know how tall flameborn are

[wraith umbra]

Like I really don't care what the titling of a single line in the building space says, the 1x1x1 block is a 0.5mx0.5mx0.5m block

[jade pivot]

12 ft vs 24 ft

[wraith umbra]

That is why the 2m blocks are all 4 and the 4m blocks are all 8 blocks

and the 40m flame altar is 80 blocks across

@jade pivot

nevermind, it is right

[jade pivot]

No I think I need to test whether 40 m refers to their "radius" or "diameter"

It makes more sense as box lengths (diameter)

[wraith umbra]

its the side length

[pastel oyster]

it's the full size of the area, not out from the altar

[worthy stirrup]

Meanwhile, the 4m is actually 8x8x4.

[ocean anvil]

character is 3 and half blocks tall

[dense pier]

40x40x40 is 40m³ meaning 40m in all directions

[jade pivot]

Thanks; I can look into adding this on the wiki after some tests

[pastel oyster]

... the 2m blocks are 4 blocks wide. 4x0.5 is 2.

[dense pier]

Whats the size of the smallest block?

[wraith umbra]

0.5m sides

Which also is the largest block

since the blocks are all the same size

[dense pier]

No the smallest one

[wraith umbra]

All blocks are the same size

[pastel oyster]

the 4m blocks are 8 blocks wide - 8x 0.5 is 4.

[ocean anvil]

characters are roughly 1.7 meters tall = 4- 5 feet tall

[wraith umbra]

If you are talking about pre-fab sizes, the 1 block unit is the smallest size

but the other buildables are just made of more blocks

[dense pier]

1.7m is 5.8" no?

[ocean anvil]

1.7m is 5' 6" tall rounded up

[pastel oyster]

The only thing that might be confusing is that the 0.5m block (the single block that you can also put down directly from your inventory) is also in the 1m category.

[worthy stirrup]

So, from a new shrine, I can place 36 cubes in one direction before I hit the edge. If you assume the very center of the shrine is 0.0 for the shrine, then the shrine is 8x8m which, plus 36 cubes makes it half the shrine (4) + 36 cubes (36) or 40 cubes total. The measurement is listed as 40 x 40 x 40, so since you only have 40 from the shrine center, each 1x1 cube is 1m by 1m not 1/2m.

[dense pier]

I meant the tiny one you can carve things with

[worthy stirrup]

However, I agree that it seems more likely that they're poorly labeled by the devs.

[wraith umbra]

my god man, the 40m is not a radius, it's the full edge length

[ocean anvil]

1.8m = 5' 9"

[wraith umbra]

you don't measure cubes in half side lengths

[ocean anvil]

characters are between 5'.6" - 6' tall

[pastel oyster]

when you list something as 40x40x40, it's never talking about "from the center"

[wraith umbra]

also the dev team have themselves stated that each block is 0.5 m

in edge length

[elder parrot]

@ocean anvil (I dont think the meters discussion gets easier by adding non real units like feet into it.. ^^)

[ocean anvil]

that's the conversion - using google feet to meters calculator

[viral sky]

I think this meters conversation crossed into pointless drivel many meters ago

[elder parrot]

Not real meters tho!

[ocean anvil]

yes it is

[elder parrot]

Mebbe discord-meters!

[wraith umbra]

They absolutely can be real meters

[pastel oyster]

Mods! where is my slap emoji?!

[dense pier]

Yeah, did that too, seems im getting shorter and shorter every time i do a conversion on Google

[elder parrot]

Discord meters come on, it was a joke

smh

[ocean anvil]

anyways at max characters are 6' tall

[jade pivot]

To verify on a smaller scale, the flame altar itself should be:

• 4 x 4 m
• 8 x 8 blocks
  Is that correct?

[wraith umbra]

8x8x8 in terms of building I think

and yeah, blocks

[jade pivot]

The height was not clear to me

[wraith umbra]

The height is kinda invisible

it might even be 7

[dense pier]

See how far up you can place something above it then measure it from the ground up

[wraith umbra]

i'll test it real quick

[worthy stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055134044720992337/1219779891030134824/Enshrouded_3_19_2024_6_48_43_PM.png?ex=660c8b8c&is=65fa168c&hm=5203aba61af2d1082dc192a69673ae34091d899c58e35d1190f7dd762afab632&

[jade pivot]

Should be easier to show with a checkerboard of a 4 m floor/ceil piece

[ocean anvil]

just did that put the smallest blocks beside my character and and relayed that info to discord

[worthy stirrup]

If you look at that image, you can see I've placed 40 1m blocks down in a line, and I've marked off 10 blocks and the max, 40 blocks.

That clearly shows that the 40 x 40 x 40 listed for a shrine is measured in blocks.

[wraith umbra]

#enshrouded-chat message

#the-tavern message

#enshrouded-chat message

#enshrouded-chat message

A block is 0.5 meters, end of discussion

[dense pier]

Which block?

c(:

[worthy stirrup]

Yes. That means that the blocks are listed as the wrong size in the hammer craft whatever it's called tool.

[wraith umbra]

Are they?

Or does that same row have other options that are 1m?

maybe they should label the row 0.5m - 1m row

[jade pivot]

I believe the confusion comes from the fact that 40 x 40 x 40 on the flame altar could be interpreted as 40 blocks radially or 40 m as side length

[wraith umbra]

you don't do radius with cubes

[jade pivot]

Agreed

[wraith umbra]

every geometry teacher and scholar are crying right now y'all, help them be happy

[native parrot]

How?

[ocean anvil]

the smallest block on build menu is .5 - figured that out right away from building

[native parrot]

Oh math, I'm out

[viral sky]

There are three types of people. Those who can do math and those who can’t.

[worthy stirrup]

The first row, first column is 1/2x1/2x1/2 as, the second piece 1/2x1/2x1/4, the third one is even smaller than that, the fourth one is a 1x1x1 (though labeled 2x2), and the final one is 1x1x1/2.

So maybe that row should be labeled "misc"

[ocean anvil]

or put actual sizes beside them

so people don't guess

[worthy stirrup]

If they add to the desc of each individual item, it becomes a bit easier. But the 2m row is actually 2x2x2, then 2x1/2x4, then 2x1/2x4 (minus window hole), then 2x3/4x1/4 floating (door frame), etc ...

[viral sky]

But then how would we get this enlightened discussion?

[wraith umbra]

The first row is 3 different block types that are all 0.5m^3

and then two that are 1m^3

The roof tiles still occupy the space of a full voxel

[worthy stirrup]

I prefer to think that each block is 1x1x1, and therefore we're 12 foot tall giants (also the wolves are 6 feet tall) and the Matron is like 20 feet tall.

[ocean anvil]

🤷‍♂️

[wraith umbra]

That I can respect, some people enjoy being wrong since it can be more fun 🙂

[worthy stirrup]

You do you.

[pastel oyster]

You people make my head spin sometimes. 😛

[lethal rune]

we're all wrong, aliens would tell us how, but until then we think we're right.

until you travel across inter dimensional space then you can be the expert

[pastel oyster]

Everyone is right all of the time.

Which makes everyone wrong all of the time.

😵‍💫

[signal cobalt]

If you travel back in time in some futuristic looking spacecraft, people will think you are the alien.

[pastel oyster]

Who says I am not?

[signal cobalt]

The first time traveler may have perished in Roswell, New Mexico.

"first" since time isn't relevant.

[lethal rune]

wasnt there a time traveler that looked like nic cage

either that or nic cage is 500 years old

[signal cobalt]

Maybe related. I have friends that look like my siblings, but we took DNA tests and have less than 1% relation.

[pastel oyster]

I look exactly like my paternal grandmother. It's eerie.

[hearty pond]

i mean if you look hard enough you can find someone that looks like you in the past, present or future

[worthy stirrup]

Our DNA is like 92% matching to bananas.

[hearty pond]

doppelganger do exist

[lethal rune]

omg there might be a banana that looks like me

[viral sky]

I feel bad for my doppelgänger’s mirrors

[lethal rune]

according to einstein we can only time travel into the past

even atoms don't know what they want their future states to be

[signal cobalt]

this really messes with my head

[pastel oyster]

I mean he also didn't believe in black holes and here we are 😄

[hearty pond]

one theory looks at the idea that if you did travel to the past or the future, would you still be the same person when you reach your destination

[worthy stirrup]

The newest theory gaining traction is that the past is caused by the future.

[lethal rune]

my theory is anything we can think of with our imagination, actually exists or could exist one day, including god and unicorns.

so we're back to plato's forms

[pastel oyster]

In reality, Past and future do not exsist except within the confounds of our own minds.

[lethal rune]

so perhaps we're in the chicken and egg scenario, god doesn't exist, but will one day and create us then.

[signal cobalt]

thinking creates universes then?

[hearty pond]

well imagination is limited since you need a mrker to work from to create that imagination, like the nicorn, you have horse, zebra and other 4 legged creatures that look similar and then morphed to create the imagination

so the idea's are limited since we need a point of reference for them

[lethal rune]

black holes = the death of thinking, so tik tok

lol

[signal cobalt]

i use tiktok for puzzles

[pastel oyster]

I use tiktok for toilet paper

[hearty pond]

i think kids play tik tok in school

[pastel oyster]

on a completely unrelated note. I need a new phone. 🤣

[gentle current]

Hello all

[hearty pond]

give mama my old nokia from 22 years ago

enjoy!

[pastel oyster]

Already have one of those. They won't let me use it anymore.

[hearty pond]

lol

too much snake i bet

[lethal rune]

i like the holographic universe theory, which is basically that you enter a black hole and you no longer exist, but what goes on existing is the information of everything you are... including your memories and feelings you felt etc. so technically the universe has a 2d layer of information on everything that ever was and will be... and you can extrapolate that information to bring back dead humans if you wanted. which is basically what happens in the scifi movie A.I. Artificial Intelligence

[signal cobalt]

That movie made me believe anyone could be an android

[hearty pond]

considering black hole destroy everything that enters

and also, you would have to believe in the idea that death is the end

[signal cobalt]

I think someone said your mind keeps thinking, so it gives you flashes of old or made up memories. I guess that is living for a 2nd time in your mind. It's twisted to think about.

[lethal rune]

like when you officially die? there's a case for preserving a brain, and later implanting it into an android. so long as the brain activity remained, you'd basically never die. lol now im reminded of bicentennial man.

[hearty pond]

near death experiences have been documented and what they remember is never consistent

[worthy stirrup]

Back to the other conversation -- It's 40x40x40 with the shrine being in the absolute center-point at 0,0,0 and the shrine base being 8 length, 8 wide and 4 deep. The center point starts at the center spot of the base. You can go 38 blocks up from the top of the base and 38 blocks down from the bottom. You can go 36 blocks lengthwise or widthwise horizontally. With a 3 point coordinate system of x (left/right), y (forward/back), z (up/down), the shrine starts at -4,-4,-2 and goes to 4, 4, 2, filling all blocks between those points.

The entirety of the buildable space is from -40,-40,-40 to 40,40,40.

[pastel oyster]

oh lord help me xD

[hearty pond]

in the name of the goat, the sun and the holy oat

[signal cobalt]

that movie scared me even more as a kid

anyone read the book Flash Foward?

[pastel oyster]

yes it is 40 blocks, which is .5m, which makes the entirety of the base 40mx40mx40m

[worthy stirrup]

No, it's 40 meters. 🙂 It's 80 blocks wide.

[lethal rune]

nope, but looks like there was a tv series on it, only lasted 1 season

[worthy stirrup]

36 blocks + the 8 blocks of the shrine base + 36 more blocks.

[signal cobalt]

Yes, it was based on the book. The book even went further and had a 2nd glimpse of the future. So it reminded me of movies of how the future might be.

[pastel oyster]

... a block is .5m the entire base is 40m wide

[worthy stirrup]

Yes.

But you said it was 40 blocks.

[pastel oyster]

from the center to the outside it is 40 blocks.

[worthy stirrup]

Yes. That's what I said too.

[pastel oyster]

well that was already said like an hour ago 🤣

[worthy stirrup]

I was just using a three dimensional coordinate to describe it.

[hearty pond]

now go to 4!

[worthy stirrup]

I did, in the past.

Also in the future.

[hearty pond]

then try 5!

[wraith umbra]

Which is a total of 40 m

[hearty pond]

look man! i got 2 hands! i can go up to 10!

[worthy stirrup]

I don't like 5th dimensional thinking. Too much "will have had been" ...

[hearty pond]

then we try 6!

[worthy stirrup]

Yes. Said that too.

[pastel oyster]

God you people seriously do hurt my brain. This was all established already🤣

[worthy stirrup]

My argument was that if it's in meters, then 2m blocks is incorrectly labeled. We're either 12 feet tall or the blocks are actually half-meter-per block meaning the labels are wrong.

[wet kelp]

does anyone know if we will ever be able have more than 8 alters?

[wraith umbra]

Oh you're just making another arbitrary coordinate system, got it

[gentle forum]

Possibly, yes.

[wraith umbra]

Potentially as the game expands

[wet kelp]

cause when you are playing with friends 8 doesn't feel like enough LOL

[pastel oyster]

As I told you. the 2m blocks are 4 wide. 4 X 0.5 is 2

[worthy stirrup]

But they're not all that size.

[gentle forum]

Show me the math

[hearty pond]

gives nina a gun you know what you have to do to your friends*

[worthy stirrup]

The base 2m block is 2x2x2.

[wraith umbra]

the 2m blocks are correctly labeled, they are 4 blocks

[viral sky]

This meters discussion is like NASCAR. Going nowhere fast

[wraith umbra]

the base 2m block is 4x4x4 blocks

[wet kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[pastel oyster]

no. the base 2m block is the foundation with is 4 wide and 4 deep.

and 4 high

[hearty pond]

maths! it hurts!

[gentle forum]

Why are we arguing about block sizes today?

[wraith umbra]

Because it's more fun than a dead discord

[worthy stirrup]

4 wide by 4 deep by 4 high is 2m x 2m x 2m though. It's the others that aren't ...

[elder parrot]

😇

[hearty pond]

at this rate we are gonna end up doing decimal points and pie charts

[viral sky]

Last word syndrome

[worthy stirrup]

The base one is the right size, the rest are weird mixes, like the 1/2m x 1/2m x 2m pillar.

[wet kelp]

when i murder my friends for their plots i will tell them Huntoctober made me do it

[pastel oyster]

the walls are 4 wide. the only thing that isn't is the pillar

[wraith umbra]

Right, they are defined by the longest edge

[pastel oyster]

which... is 4 high

[worthy stirrup]

The stair caps are also not 4 blocks long or high or thick.

[hearty pond]

how dare you nina! i did not make you do anything! i merely provided to an alternative method

it;s your choice!

[elder parrot]

ShroudieUnits

[pastel oyster]

no - that would mean the wall is only 4 high xD

[quasi saffron]

Jumps in through a 3 block height window.
Whazzup!

[wraith umbra]

huh? The prefabs are defined in length (the category), by their longest edge

[elder parrot]

"Prefabs"

[worthy stirrup]

But they're not -- the two stair caps are only 3 blocks long and tall, so 1.5 meters.

[pastel oyster]

the walls in the prefab are 8 high.

[worthy stirrup]

The wall are 8 high, or 4 meters.

[hearty pond]

can we get that in yards

[elder parrot]

Aaaarbritrary

[wraith umbra]

alright, generally, I'll own that 🙂

the stairs are 4, not 3

[pastel oyster]

but they are 4 wide. as I said, all of them are 2m wide with the exception of the pillar which is 2m high - because it's a pillar.

[worthy stirrup]

The stairs are, the but stair caps are not.

No, all of them are not 2m wide.

[wraith umbra]

what is a stair cap?

[uncut burrow]

a stair with a fancy hat

[worthy stirrup]

The two stair bits at the end of the row.

[elder parrot]

Arbritrary ShroudieUnits. Sigh.

[quasi saffron]

You're talking about the step wall, right? These are intended as side walls for the stairs.

[worthy stirrup]

There called "step walls"

[quasi saffron]

Yeah. They're good for making your stairs not left and right empty

[worthy stirrup]

Yes, but they're not 4blocks/2m in any dimension.

[wraith umbra]

Right, those are designed to be used with the 2m stairs or roofs, so they would need to be 1 block less

So they fit within the category

[worthy stirrup]

But they're not 2m themselves, which has been claimed several times.

[quasi saffron]

But they're intended for the 2 meter stairs buddy.

[pastel oyster]

omg... semantics people. They are that way to fit in the 2m building prefabs.

[worthy stirrup]

Oh, agreed.

[wraith umbra]

but sure, they aren't themselves 2m

What are we getting at here?

[quasi saffron]

Headaches. Always.

[elder parrot]

looks at my clock

[wraith umbra]

We had moved on from this to be fair

[worthy stirrup]

I was trying to use coordinates to better describe layouts and such and people kept insisting there were simple, correct labels/assignments. 🙂

[pastel oyster]

My heaadache got a headache and went to take a nap and was replaced by a migraine.

[wraith umbra]

You have fun with your coordinate system

[quasi saffron]

Anyway... I'll jump into the next 3 block height window out of this discussion. I need to build a Tannery cottage

[worthy stirrup]

Nah, I use blocks instead of coordinates.

[elder parrot]

Unless you will arrive at what ive been thinking of soon, i think this can go on for even more hours imo

[pastel oyster]

They are simple and they are correct. Just because one set has one piece that "technically" isn't 2m wide because it's meant to fit under stairs doesn't make it incorrect or less simple.

[elder parrot]

...

[quasi saffron]

And? In again for the ride?

Rollercoaster time.

[pastel oyster]

but why on earth would you need coordinates to describe layouts anyway?

[wraith umbra]

I think I'll define my flame altar coordinates as starting at 4,6,10 in the NE bottom corner with up being negative, west being positive and north being negative

[worthy stirrup]

Because people won't be able to place an item "12 meters to the left" easily.

[elder parrot]

ShroudUnits.

[pastel oyster]

So use "2m foundation" or something?

[wraith umbra]

Use 1 block, or note that 2 blocks = 1 m on your layouts

[worthy stirrup]

Oh, so don't use meters then?

[pastel oyster]

or just use "blocks" since there is truly only one block size in the game, the prefabs all use that to create the shapes.

[pastel oyster]

You are overthinking this by a longshot 🙂

just use the blocks. never use game distances to describe a layout.

[worthy stirrup]

I'm not. I'm saying it's way easier to use blocks, which would be layed out in a coordinate system.

Voxels are just 3d pixels.

[elder parrot]

Dont use meters.

[worthy stirrup]

I don't use meters!

(Except for measuring distance frmo where I am to a waypoint, which the game gives you)

[pastel oyster]

are you making videos or something?

[elder parrot]

(Im telling it out to the void that still hasnt concluded)

[worthy stirrup]

I want everyone to know I've been refraining from using an Adall/At all pun this entire time ...

[wraith umbra]

It's a good pun

[worthy stirrup]

No, just sharing some info with some friends.

[worthy stirrup]

But would have been distracting from this conversation we've been building...

And I'm not sure anyone would have cared Adall...

[pastel oyster]

ah. well just put it on some graph paper/digital graph paper and say that 1 square = 1 block. easy-peasy-leamon-squeazy.

[wraith umbra]

No one would have noticed

I do all my layouts in excel

[worthy stirrup]

How do you do the 3d?

[wraith umbra]

Each sheet in the workbook is one layer

[worthy stirrup]

There are lots of pixel engines out there, but a 3d one is harder.

Ah.

[wraith umbra]

I'm also kidding

[worthy stirrup]

I mean, I've seen people do level design in Excel, so I didn't doubt you.

[wraith umbra]

You should have them apply for a job at Enshrouded

[worthy stirrup]

Mostly for platformers, but still...

[wraith umbra]

They need a senior level designer, and I bet an excel designer would go far

All the modern games are using it

[worthy stirrup]

I'll take a job, then change the measurements to blocks, then quit.

[pastel oyster]

Anyway - I'm off for a while. I really do have a headache after all that. 😢

[worthy stirrup]

Mama, feel free to reach out. Remmeber, Maka is just one letter away.

Ok. Going back to building my floating castle in the sky.

[native parrot]

Haha!
No one has talked for nearly an hour but I am here to rectify that!
Hoohah!

I'm not... actually hanging around though

Just uh ... sparking someone's interigue

[coral frost]

`no dz no life 😦

[ocean anvil]

Just had some pistachio ice cream

[quasi saffron]

I'll just cuddle my moneybags now and go sleep.

[high cove]

Anyone wanna coop? Can help out or start a new character, been through all content :3

[pastel oyster]

#1195389948069675009

[quiet geyser]

Yay finally work is over I just want to grab some chai tea, warm pajamas, and cake then spend all night playing Enshrouded because this game hit my obsession like Elixir hit poor villages

I went through the game like 3 times already and never changed my build because mage is op

[severe pebble]

if i take the shell shock skill and i spec intel and spirit, a magic archer, does int affect arrow damage? or is arrow damage just arrow damage? lol did i say that right?

[stiff orchid]

any news on when the next content update will be ?

[prisma frost]

This month they say

[hard thunder]

i click on the new item and does not go away even my character shows something new and nothings there

[prisma frost]

have you tried restart the game?

[hard thunder]

i did and quit out

[prisma frost]

It happened to me once, but restarting work for me

[hard thunder]

yea its a bit annoying

[quiet geyser]

what game would you say enshrouded is most similiar to, Valhiem?

[wraith umbra]

Eldenheim of the Wildcraft

There are too many little pieces of so many different games that enshrouded pulls in, it is really hard to pinpoint a most similar

It's an action/adventure crafting game, enjoy 🙂

[prisma frost]

Is this real?

[summer mortar]

never played before, looking for other noobs to play with

[quiet geyser]

im too broke

not really but i hate spending

[wraith umbra]

Then don't enjoy it 🙂

[prisma frost]

You can find people on #1195389948069675009

[quiet geyser]

uhh? ok?

lmao

[hard thunder]

just curiouse if you build an altar around materials will they respond in the circle?

[ocean anvil]

not in the build area as far as i know outside yes

do know trees come back

[hard thunder]

ok thank you wanted to check before i built in an area that has alot of good materies

[ocean anvil]

terrain mods stay in build areas

resources not sure

close game and re enter if hasn't changed then you have an answer

[hard thunder]

ok thank you

if you extinguish and alter and you had level it up do you get that stuff back?

[wraith umbra]

Nothing is supposed to respawn inside of the flame altar cube

Your flame strength is permanent

the flame altar level will disappear if you extinguish the flame

[hard thunder]

so you will have to recollect everything again

[wraith umbra]

You'd need to collect/craft shroud cores again yes

[hard thunder]

ok thanks

[wraith umbra]

The other part is permenant

[mossy meteor]

morning everyone

[stoic egret]

why do I open steam every day of the game, does it update something for me 100mb?

[pastel oyster]

It's possible it's doing some kind of repair, or a couple people have mentioned something about shaders being updated. There hasn't been an actual patch or anything since February 25th and we are expecting another one by the end of this month.

[stoic egret]

so how to get rid of it?

[subtle prawn]

Isn't that just steam cloud doing stuff?

[pastel oyster]

That's possible as well. I never get them and I use the cloud tho

[subtle prawn]

At least that's what I heard

[stoic egret]

100mb even if I haven't started the game for a long time? I haven't had this happen in any other game.

thats not cloud

[round totem]

it could be devs for the game leaking little updates as they fix them tbh, ive seen that before pluse ive notice some of the shrouded stuck inthe floors so they maybe be trying to fix that

even if you havent loaded up your game for long you can still receive updates because bugs go across the board for every copy of a game that gets sold, whether you play it or not.

so yes it is possible your receiving small updates that some of us may have already gotten and thats because you just bought the base game and need the updates to catch up where peeps is at ! @stoic egret i hope this all makes a bit of sense lol

[subtle prawn]

Nah the game hasn't gotten any new update since the 26th of February

[stoic egret]

thats not make any sense, i have more games than only enshrouded. never seen somethling like that before

[round totem]

ive gotten some of the updates there talking about also though so idk

hm idk then, im getting the same lil updates i had one today lol

[wraith umbra]

So I found the first extra skill point culprit

The shroud root up by the bridge in Revelwood at the EA boundary seemed to give a point upon discovery as well as chopping it down.

[subtle prawn]

Interesting

Might the Grim & Ring of rot work the same?

[wraith umbra]

rot no

Cleared all or springlands/revelwood so far

That was the first one to give a bonus

[subtle prawn]

Then we still miss 2 additional points

[wraith umbra]

I'm not done XD

[subtle prawn]

Keep me updated

[gentle forum]

I knew I wasn't crazy!

[gentle forum]

So you should be at 116 total?

[wraith umbra]

no

111 is the math

[subtle prawn]

You had both the wells and roots wrong ^^ It's 13 wells and 24 roots not 15 wells and 23 roots

[wraith umbra]

I think a lot of that was based off the errors on the mapgenie page, but yeah

[subtle prawn]

Map genie says 14 wells and 23 roots but counts the ring of rot as a well

[weak locust]

Anyone know where exactly the Alters sit in the build zone? Im wanting to stack 2 Alters but im wanting the edges to just touch. Does anyone know?

[wraith umbra]

They sit in the center

[weak locust]

Well yea but aat what exact number

because it isnt an even shape height wise

[wraith umbra]

it is in terms of what you can build

its an 8x8x8 piece

[weak locust]

oh is it?

[subtle prawn]

It is

[weak locust]

im just dumb lol

[wraith umbra]

though sometimes the bug out and you can build where the flame is

but you shouldn't be able to build on the flame part, the base is 8x8x4 and the invisible area+flame part is 8x8x4

[quasi saffron]

Good morning.

[weak locust]

So would i place the Alter at 60 blocks up or 61?

[wraith umbra]

are you just trying to cover space with level 1 altars?

[weak locust]

na max

would it be at the block above 56?

[crystal torrent]

Max area of a size 4 flame is 160x160x160.

[wraith umbra]

from the top of the flame to the ceiling of a max level altar would be 156 blocks

[weak locust]

o

[wraith umbra]

or 80m worth of height between the top of the base of the flame altar and the absolute ceiling of the cube

[weak locust]

wouldnt there be 76 below the alter?

[wraith umbra]

no, 156 below the altar as well

or 80m of heigh from the base of the flame bowl to the bottom of the cube

[weak locust]

ok so the alter doesnt sit in the center height wise?

[wraith umbra]

it does

[crystal torrent]

The flame altar has two features, one is building area size, the other is level so you get some skill boost and access to higher level shroud fog areas.

[weak locust]

gosh im confused

[wraith umbra]

but it is split into the base of the altar, 8x8x4 height on the bottom half

and the flame bowl + invisible can't build space on top, which is another 8x8x4 block

[weak locust]

so from the bottom to the top is 8

[wraith umbra]

yes

for the whole feature, the base you can see is only 4 blocks high though

[wraith umbra]

The last two have to be level related

@subtle prawn

[tribal oak]

is this game multiplayer?

[wraith umbra]

I'm at level 7 all shroud roots and wells done and only have +1 extra skill points

I assume maybe 10, 20?

[wraith umbra]

Yes, it can be

[tribal oak]

alright thanks

[subtle prawn]

Would need to check my server char but iirc it needs exactly the skillpoints that the levels would give

[wraith umbra]

Well with all the wells and roots done I have 76 skill points at level 7, with only one extra coming from the mentioned root. It felt like an explore tbh, I wonder if there are other explore skill points.

[subtle prawn]

Could be

[signal ocean]

hey hey

[ionic hemlock]

Wazzup

[signal ocean]

sunny morning over here

[ionic hemlock]

darker then my soul here

[signal ocean]

stepped into the garden and sat at my garden table

cushions covered in dew

now so is my ass

[ionic hemlock]

Oof

Embrace the suck

[signal ocean]

I've embraced it with both cheeks

[ionic hemlock]

embrace it more

[signal ocean]

gesticulates

[gentle forum]

Come again?

[quasi saffron]

Good mourning.
For not wet cheeks.

[ionic hemlock]

It is too early in my morning to process what ever motion youre trying to do.

[wraith umbra]

CUB you need to take away skill points from players

[ionic hemlock]

I have no skill points

[signal ocean]

for specific reasons or...?

[wraith umbra]

i found a maybe skill point bug 😦

[quasi saffron]

I can't handle all my skill.

[ionic hemlock]

@signal ocean Take away @quasi saffron's coins and I'll give you a present.

[signal ocean]

we've given him zero coins

as a preventative retaliatory measure

[ionic hemlock]

Good.

Your present is..... dry cheeks, In 3-5 hours.

[quasi saffron]

And all of sudden all in here are mobbing my wallet.

[ionic hemlock]

i dunno what youre talkin aboutt

[wraith umbra]

Well it isn't level 10

[mild sundial]

hmmmm

good morning

[ionic hemlock]

Morning is fake.

[subtle prawn]

In short: counting all wells (13), roots (24) and levels (48) it nets 111 skillpoints but there are 114 in the game. One of those is given by finding the root at the ancient bridge in the north

[wraith umbra]

The last two elude me so far :/

[subtle prawn]

Have you done the first 2 spires?

[wraith umbra]

I have been to each spire

[subtle prawn]

Then it's either exploration or leveling

[wraith umbra]

yeah

hoping its leveling, but the extra ones must come at strange levels

[subtle prawn]

Maybe 24,25

[quasi saffron]

These 3 skill points they'd take away would be 3 less int for me.
Do you guys really want me being even dumber?

[wraith umbra]

my guess is exploration at this point, I don't feel like pumping 14 more levels tonight XD

[subtle prawn]

Will check later on my server char if there's maybe a skillpoint that we miss compared to your points

[signal ocean]

did you ever find the shroud roots that are bugged

[subtle prawn]

The roots seem to work as intended

[wraith umbra]

It's only one root, and it seems to give a bonus when you explore it

none of the other roots do that

all of them seem to give correct points on chop

[subtle prawn]

So far the guesses are either exploration or some odd levels give more skillpoints

[signal ocean]

are you sure that all the roots work as intended? Sometimes the alert might display that you've gained skill points but if you check your skill screen you've got zilch

[wraith umbra]

I just did all of them, tediously

We're getting extra points, not missing any

[subtle prawn]

Adall had at lvl 7 76 skill points which is exactly the amount that we reported so far 39+24+12+1

Totally there should be 111 skill points and not 114

[wraith umbra]

I may have a speed leveling glitch

[quasi saffron]

If you ask me, Level 12 is bugged.
I had somewhere there a spike in skill points I couldn't explain.

[subtle prawn]

Could try that

[gentle forum]

I don't think the skill points per level are bugged. I leveled from 1-25 and ended up with the correct 48 skill points all three times I tried.

[quasi saffron]

Mining is not a glitch.

[subtle prawn]

Then it needs to be exploration

[gentle forum]

There is definitely a shroud root that does/doesn't give skill points. I just got caught up with the wiki and didn't get to test.

[quasi saffron]

But exploring what? Capitol? Dungeons? Never remembered anything giving skill points of said.

[wraith umbra]

All of the shroud roots give points

[subtle prawn]

Nope they all work, adall tested it and one root gave a point upon discovery

[wraith umbra]

And they all give the correct amount of points

[subtle prawn]

See that's the issue it can't be explained

[wraith umbra]

One of them gave me an extra skill point upon landing near it

[gentle forum]

So that's 72 skill points?

Leveling + Shroud Roots

[wraith umbra]

Well shroud roots should only give 63 total

but one gave some bonus one by getting near it, so 64 total

[gentle forum]

Are you including elixir wells in that total?

[wraith umbra]

yes

[gentle forum]

Ah ok

[subtle prawn]

13 wells + 24 roots

[gentle forum]

So 111 total

[subtle prawn]

Yes

[gentle forum]

Gonna purge the chat, I like my 114 skill points.

So where are the additional 3 skill points coming from? One is like Adall said just exploring

[wraith umbra]

Working on the other two, leveling is a pain

[gentle forum]

I'm curious if the "bug" where people are losing skill points when resetting is actually resetting to the correct amount

[gentle forum]

You can use WeMod and set the xp multiplier higher and spam xp scrolls

[wraith umbra]

That sounds like something I'd have to actually figure out

eitherway, given the consistency of people landing at 114 it has to be a repeatable thing

So it's either a level up or some other explore point

[quasi saffron]

I can speak as one who reseted his skill points as he had max: reskilling won't reset to 111.

[spring halo]

I have 111. Curious about people getting 114.

[jovial cradle]

Help, I've been trying for hours to play. Game just crashes over and over. I tried all the "fixes" to no avail

[subtle prawn]

Are you over the min requirement?

[jovial cradle]

What do you mean by this?

[subtle prawn]

For your pc

[jovial cradle]

Oh of processing and stuff yes

[wraith umbra]

What are your specs?

[signal ocean]

let's take this to the #troubleshooting channel 🚪

[jovial cradle]

I'm basically at minimum I got I5-7400, 16gb ram, gtx 1060

[wise grail]

What are the max skill points in this game?

[subtle prawn]

114 (bugged)

[wise grail]

And legit?

[subtle prawn]

111

[wise grail]

Okay thanks

[subtle prawn]

So far it's not fully clear where the last 2 points come from

[spring halo]

"facepalm" I just realized there was an elixir well in the revelwoods I discovered and meant to go back and complete, and forgot to do. That will bring my skill point total up to 114.

Mind you, if the extra points are from exploration, I have done my best to discover all possible locations and remove the fog from the early access areas.

[wraith umbra]

i assume they aren't just random explore points

like they are likely places people would go naturally

[wise grail]

I feel like if you're at level cap and have all the elixir well achievements, you'll be at max skill points

[subtle prawn]

I have on my lvl 18 char 100 skillpoints

So either exploration or between 10 and 18

[wraith umbra]

a project for another existence

[spring halo]

Just chopped that shroud root in the elixir well I had forgotten about. That did put my skill point total at 114.

[subtle prawn]

What lvl is your char now?

[wraith umbra]

right, the math we have is 13 wells (39), 24 roots (24) 24 level ups (48), which is 111

[wraith umbra]

I think I made it to 12

[subtle prawn]

Lvl 12 is normal then?

[wraith umbra]

yeah nothing specialy yet

I have a weird feeling it's prenomad/kindlewastes

[subtle prawn]

Maybe the pike?

It needs to be something my lvl 18 char did already since I have the 100 points

[wraith umbra]

I did the pike at level 4

[subtle prawn]

Hmm pillars of creation?

[wraith umbra]

I technically have that explored, but I didn't jump down into the volcano

[subtle prawn]

Neither did I iirc, maybe the place where you get the black cauldron

[wraith umbra]

yeah that was a thought too

but the fact that one of them is just a random shroud roo

[subtle prawn]

Exploration points don't make sense to me anyway

[wraith umbra]

nope it feels buggy

Maybe level 25 gives 4 🙂

i doubt it

[subtle prawn]

No since my lvl 18 char only misses 14 points

[wraith umbra]

maybe 15 gives 4!

[subtle prawn]

Could be but prim said lvling to 25 3x gave him 48 points

So can rule that out pretty much

[wraith umbra]

well if anyone else wants to go do all the shroud roots and elixir wells to double check me, that'd be great

[subtle prawn]

You tested the cauldron boss?

It seems to be specific bugged things that give points

[stable pilot]

Would anyone like to play enshrouded when it comes out ? No noobs and I have an IQ of 137 so please be wise

[crystal torrent]

I might be wrong but doesn't big bosses like the Wisp Wyvern giva a point as well?

[stable pilot]

Also nobody with Cats in their bio or a man holding a fish

[quasi saffron]

Somehow that's a new one.

[stable pilot]

Yay name change

Thank you admins !!!

[quasi saffron]

We got a #1195389948069675009 for that btw.
But you'll have seen that with ur 137 IQ.

[stable pilot]

When?

[subtle prawn]

There's only 2 missing skillpoints, so that would have to be 2 bosses

[stable pilot]

So wrong . This is why I need to find groups

Of high skillers

[crystal torrent]

Just guessing, but I have a dim memory of getting a point there.

[quasi saffron]

Eh... Entirely different topic my boy.

[subtle prawn]

A new form if trolls

[subtle prawn]

Then maybe Wyvern and Monstrosity for the cauldron?

[stable pilot]

What am I reading !?

[quasi saffron]

The topic before you elbowed in

[crystal torrent]

Yes, maybe. Only way to try is with someone that hasn't done that mission yet.

[stable pilot]

This is an open tavern it’s a safe space but please learn the game .

[subtle prawn]

He knows that with his 137 iq

[stable pilot]

Sophia there’s only one of us with 5000 friends on Facebook and I guarantee it’s not you so don’t insult me intelligence .

[subtle prawn]

But adall did the wyvern iirc so can't be

[stable pilot]

Bullied for having a high IQ wow.

[crystal torrent]

If you think that is a proof of intelligence I have news for you.

[inner sinew]

@stable pilot i think ive seen you on tiktok

[quasi saffron]

Do I wanna respond to that? Naw...

[stable pilot]

Yeah probably I have over 600k followers on social media ?

[inner sinew]

Yeah werent you on TV?

[stable pilot]

And a 137 IQ

[snow plaza]

Gosh

[inner sinew]

Sure i watched you on the bridge on E4

[stable pilot]

It was on C4 and hbo max correct

I appreciate your follow ?

[inner sinew]

nice to meet you mate you are hilarious i love your tiktoks

yeah i follow you on tik and insta

tomjoneswales on tiktok?

[stable pilot]

Sorry for the foul mood I’m just educating these mere mortals

I challenge anyone here to a game of chess. 12pm.

[crystal torrent]

Nope, you are trolling and sporting for a ban.

[stable pilot]

Are you impersonating an admin ?

You can’t ban me for having a high IQ

[crystal torrent]

Nope, just laying out the facts.

[inner sinew]

@crystal torrent watch his tiktok hes hilarious

[stable pilot]

I come in to find friends for enshrouded. Educated individuals to take the game by storm and I’m met with low level IQ and disrespect

[inner sinew]

https://www.tiktok.com/@tomjoneswales This is you isnt it mate?

[snow plaza]

This is hilarious

[quasi saffron]

With his behaviour he showed within his first 5 minutes I won't do him the favor and watch anything possibly related to him.

Ever.

[inner sinew]

Yeah because you clearly a softy with no sense of humour and dont understand sarcasm

[signal ocean]

can you tone down the act, like, 90%? That'd be great

[signal ocean]

same request, please and thank you

[stable pilot]

Wow this game is not welcoming at all . Il jbe writing to the developers shortly ?

[inner sinew]

what have i done?

[quasi saffron]

Oh yeah. I forgot the part where we smack doors and declare ourselves gods in public rooms.

[inner sinew]

im pointing out this guy doesnt understand sarcasm thats all

[signal ocean]

my inbox is wide open

[stable pilot]

You’re a community manager not a developer

[signal ocean]

you're being an ass to a regular

[stable pilot]

Without sounding disrespectful il go over your head .

[inner sinew]

so it depends on how long you've been in here wether you can talk back to someone or not

[signal ocean]

I look forward to reading our CTO's comments

[quasi saffron]

137 IQ. The Community Manager is the one you'd end up speaking with nonetheless. 😅

[stable pilot]

I come in to find friends I am on the autism spectrum and I’ve been verbally attacked

If you think this is how you treat a member of your community who’s a little different then I don’t know how you’re in the position of a discord manager

I shall be escalating this over your position

[crystal torrent]

Karen alert

[signal ocean]

this was great, thanks for dropping by

[stable pilot]

Calling me a Karen now? Save your names please I will not be attacked

[snow plaza]

So, how is the weather?

[inner sinew]

Tastes like tear rain to me mate

[subtle prawn]

Blue sky

[quasi saffron]

It's about how you speak to someone. And the tone makes the music.

[snow plaza]

[crystal torrent]

Gray and drizzling

[inner sinew]

ah sorry i have high testosterone im not used to words offending me so i apoligise for how some letters on a screen come across

[keen elbow]

Hello

[subtle prawn]

Hey JT

[snow plaza]

Hola

[wise grail]

Stop blaming hormones

[quasi saffron]

I wish you all a joy-filled day of happiness!
Well here in Germany at least this is the case. Don't know what it looks like internationally.
I even got my own Karen.
(In my Job)

[quasi saffron]

Stop blaming people blaming.
Or we get a blamable-ception.

[wise grail]

When it comes to blameception, we are the exception.

[jovial pasture]

hi there hows everone doing

[quasi saffron]

Exceptionally blaming. How about you?

[inner sinew]

it was sarcasm mate

[quasi saffron]

I suggest to end with /s in this case.
Can't read what isn't there my buddy.

[chilly marlin]

Hey all, not sure if this is the right place for this but is there something in the code to stop players tunneling into mountains and up into other areas?

[subtle prawn]

You can dig wherever you want

[chilly marlin]

Yet whenever i dig up a mountain and then reload the game i am back at the bottom of said mountain and i dont have the explosives i used to get up there?

Its almost like a rollback but the items are still taken??

[dark geyser]

land goes back to what it was .. if you dont have a flame around

[chilly marlin]

that makes more sense i guess? theres a flame at the bottom but it doesnt extend to the top of the tunnel, so thats likely it i guess?

[wise grail]

The game only has world permanence in the boundaries of a flame altar.

[dark geyser]

yeap, anyhting inside the flame cube stays put

[quasi saffron]

Everything outside an Altars range will revert to before the case state

[chilly marlin]

the strange thing is, it moved be back to the base of the mountain even though i was on top of it?

[dark geyser]

oh they might of rolled back the server for you

someones messing with your game !

[subtle prawn]

You always spawn at the closest altar

[chilly marlin]

This makes much more sense

[hexed summit]

Speaking about the altars.. when i login there is an info box saying i have lvl 6 altar. When I look at both of my altars, they say lvl 4.. And they are greyed out and can’t be upgraded any more. Im guessing they’re at max lvl right? (Says 160x 160 etc, for build range…)
..

Just wanna make sure Im really at max..
cheerio

[quasi saffron]

That's why CUB always spawns back in here...

[quasi saffron]

!altars

[river tree]

How do Altars/Flame Levels work?

Here is some quick guidance on how the Altars & Flame levels work in Enshrouded.

To remove an already placed altar, walk up to it, press E and press the “Extinguish Flame” button at the bottom.

• A 30-second timer then begins to run. During this period you can reverse the action taken.
• After these 30 seconds the altar disappears.
• The world flame level remains.
• No materials will be refunded
• The altar level is lost

⚠️ structures and items created by the player within the flame radius remain until the corresponding area is either left for 30 minutes or the player logs out. Everything in the former flame radius is then extinguished.

[subtle prawn]

Yes altar level max is 4 (range) while the flame level max is 6 (global benefits)

[quasi saffron]

Eh. Thought there was an Info about the Levels too. Ooopsie.

[keen elbow]

👁️👁️

[quasi saffron]

Tried to mess with ur face. I failed

[keen elbow]

👁️👁️
🐽

[hexed summit]

Thanks! Good to know. Guessing I might have to work with overlapping altar on one of my main bases. Cheers mate 👍

[quasi saffron]

Finally got ur face right.

[elder parrot]

Good day ^^

[formal light]

Salute

[keen elbow]

Ty

[elder parrot]

@formal light Bjr ^^