My “Theory”

[hushed leaf]

that was fixed like half an hour after launch iirc

[pure dove]

UI does look halfassed ngl, especially with some text being off centered

[exotic nexus]

The individual drawings whenever interacting I don’t mind, I would have actually liked to have that ideally. But I think the demo UI was perfect enough and I would have preferred the overall game to be like that in presentation

The 3rd screenshot just looks hideous though and if imma be honestly I can’t entirely articulate WHY but it feels like there was 0 effort besides placing a couple sprites onto a backround image and calling it a day

[pure dove]

Well I think theyre more focused on optimization rn. Plus we're only day 2

[tiny shuttle]

I like it but sometimes weapons just lose all their momentum mid swing and istg the enemies can 1 tap u by looking in your general direction

[thorn oar]

im just hoping in the next 3 months this will be behind the game

[pure dove]

It's literally an illustrated scene, def not just randomly placed

[exotic nexus]

The format itself is the issue

[thorn oar]

i think the ui is fine besides the jank

[pure dove]

Would you rather it just be like a button to open the shop

[thorn oar]

i hope we get more cutscenes though

[pure dove]

Yeah the first one is really cool

[placid topaz]

The AI isn't bad

[pure dove]

I found a bug that skipped it on my first launch tho 😭 that and the character creator. Didnt even know it was a thing until i watched a stream

I started with no weapon and just grabbed the flail in the cellar

Thought that was intended

[exotic nexus]

If it had the visual design of the demos presentation then 100%

Shoehorning a shitty indie VN aspect is just super weird and stands out oddly when compared to the aesthetic vision for the rest of the game

[thorn oar]

i had the jester bug at launch

[hushed leaf]

the lighting?

[pure dove]

I disagree

[hushed leaf]

some of the lighting does look a bit off, as if it doesnt fit the room

[pure dove]

I like having things to look at

And the art is beautiful

Demo UI was like utilitarian, nothing to do

[placid topaz]

What happened to the cards in the trailer though? I assumed that was a UI that players could use to pick the fight they wanted

[thorn oar]

i hope that they get rid of some parts of the maps becuase i feel like some of them are to big for no reason

[hushed leaf]

i imagine it was part of the scrapped build mentioned in the og post

[smoky cairn]

My leading theory right now Is that the playtests are still happening right now and the version we got is the unplaytested version because GameSeer pushed for it to be released and then pursumably major updates in the future will be what the fruits of the playtest

[pure dove]

Same, seems that was just an animation and the cards are what we see in the jester. Which ngl makes more sense for the game

[pure dove]

Nah doubt it

[thorn oar]

i like exploring but we dont need a whole open world city just to fight in a corner

[hushed leaf]

i just think as a whole for the game they're teetering into everything they can do without picking a side, do u want a sandbox fighting game or a roguelike? standardized "game" ui or more fancy in world ui like the tavern?

[thorn oar]

hurts pc

[hushed leaf]

publishers ruin everything

[pure dove]

Slums is unfinished and you can literally go on for miles, past the army camp and stuff

[thorn oar]

forest and alley are the same

[pure dove]

Imo all that should be like some 2D trickery not actual rendered models when theyre so far away

[placid topaz]

Well the reviews on steam are "Mixed" right now, so hopefully that encourages them to do something

[smoky cairn]

Yeah

[placid topaz]

That's the Open World gameplay actually

That's not a bug but a feature

[pure dove]

Lol

[thorn oar]

if we get optimized maps and stuff and they rebalance the combat it will be 10/10

[pure dove]

Fr

And add a confirm button when selling shit lol

Lost 20p early game because i accidently sold my flail and had to buy it back

[pure dove]

Oh and fix free mode

[exotic nexus]

This is kinda something that bothers me with forest actually, it feels like a SUPER isolated island rather than an actual forest when everything around it is just a huge png skybox

I don’t know if the ppl in charge of map design have experience with it but you would figure it’s known that you can still put 3d objects outside of a playable zone but have them rendered to simple models in order to preserve immersion and playability

[pure dove]

I hope we get more stuff to do in the future with the npcs so they're more interactable and less just menus

[ashen sentinel]

I sold some shit accidentaly too lmao

[pure dove]

Option to sit down, maybe build relations with them somehow so we get some benefits like cheaper items or more card options with the jester

Play some risky card/dice games with the jester to earn some money or smth

Just give us more to do in the tavern so it's more than a menu

[placid topaz]

Maybe if you tell him a good joke and make him laugh he'll give you 5 dollars

[pure dove]

Or your next game is free

[placid topaz]

Or that

[pure dove]

Or you get 1 more card option

Maybe he gets your next opponent drunk or smth. Literally endless options

Would be so cool

Lowk im gonna make this a suggestion

Tho tomorrow because i got to sleep now

[placid topaz]

They don't even have a bartender in the tavern, maybe if you pay them, they would make your opponent the next morning have a hangover if the bartender gives them free drinks all night after you paid them or smth

Or simply having a random chance that an opponent is drunk or has a hangover

[pure dove]

Innkeeper could do that

[thorn oar]

i want to be able to be drunk in halfsword

i think it would be a fun challenge to see someone try to beat the game as a alcoholic

[olive hamlet]

I wish the blood looked as good as the trailer's

and wish it worked in the Forest map

[steep mason]

I believe

[eager rain]

how confirmed is this?

[river lotus]

this kinda makes sense

[wet lion]

Honestly I thought we’d at least progress to different areas of the kingdom instead of one tavern the entire time

I was super dissapointed

[lime dune]

man considering the current tavern

maybe it's good we got just the one

[hushed leaf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HalfSword/comments/1qsjm6g/strength_system_is_the_worst_part_of_ea_and_not/

good read

even tho it is from the reddit its not full on raaaahhh halfsword devs evil spawn of satan robbing us

[lusty spade]

This explains a lot really

[lilac axle]

Not sure if anybody has properly mentioned this aswell but one (one minor) instance of it not really being the devs fault would of been to tokyo game show

They were forced to make a "safer" version of the game to showcase to audiences to get the word out there

Which also probably took time out of development and might of also fucked the pipeline a bit internally because they were scrambling to get a clean sterilized version of the game out for this one specific instance

[green urchin]

we quite litterally got scammed for 20 bucks

[lilac axle]

I mean... no offense but

i feel like almost any game after 2020 you should just dampen your expectations no matter how good the game looks / renowned the studio is, theres hundreds of examples of things just reasonably not living upto whats promised, and hell all i gotta do is mention cyberdunk as the main outlier

Is it annoying? Is it Unfair? Is this not right? Is it scammy?

Sure, to everything but that's kind of just how the cookie is crumbling rn 🤷‍♂️

[green urchin]

i didnt think it would be exactly as they made it out to be in the trailer but to tell us "you're getting a new and refurbished game" only for it to be an older version of the game with almost all of the content shown missing is insane

[jovial chasm]

Pretty sure they had to do this because the game ran like shit and it still, runs like shit

[jovial chasm]

If the game is made with UE5 you should always drop your expectations for what's to come

UE5 is just a makeup set made with lead, the game looks all pretty but there is always major performance issues

[jovial chasm]

Like name 10 UE5 games that run well that isnt Fortnite, i only got 1, and that is The finals

[next crag]

I don't remember that we could do that type of slices in the demo actually.
I think we actually got the real EA of Half Sword, it's just that they can't test everything for every config or 50 differents config hardware setups.

It seems that with DLSS and Frame Generation, my game (in medium graphics) runs at 130 to 180 FPS without any issues.

In Epic settings, it runs at 50 to 90 FPS on every map, even slums.
But i do have a RTX 4090.

For less powerful hardware, i did have between 25 to 70 FPS on my Steam Deck, with full Controller support.
There's no theory about anything

[silver oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[hushed leaf]

What resolution

[next crag]

I have a 3440x1440 monitor, but there's no support for 21:9
So i play in 2560x1440, which fully render on the monitor without black bands

[jovial chasm]

Never ever say "I get X fps with framegen" that is just bad practice as it doesn't paint the full picture

[green urchin]

ahh yes the cutting right trough a helmet update

[hushed leaf]

Half of 180 is 90

[jovial chasm]

100, frame gen is taxxing

[next crag]

Surely, but it did helped a lot.
Without frame gen, it's about 50 to 90 FPS

[hushed leaf]

So 100 fps on medium with upscaling AND FRAME GEN at 1440p on A FUCKING 4090

That is fucking horrible

[jovial chasm]

Yeah that is trash

[next crag]

It will get better with days or weeks, we all have a different hardware setup that works differently

[green urchin]

deadass like bro not all of us have nasa pc's🥀

[next crag]

Now, they're getting data on how the game runs on our hardware

[jovial chasm]

DLSS balanced on 1440p is 1500x800

That is so shit

[leaden seal]

hopefully gng

[hushed leaf]

Even with a nasa pc that's like what 4K cinematic should be running on a 4090

but instead its 1440p medium

[jovial chasm]

Btw people have been saying dlss does nothing for performance or very little, thats because with dlss off the game runs at like 75% res im pretty sure as it uses TSR

[green urchin]

ye

[next crag]

The issue is still that they probably wanted to do too much with the visuals and the details

Like why do we have a fully rendered eyeball, even from the inside of our head.
With mirroring

It's on the Forest map, and we can see the trees in the eye

[jovial chasm]

Someone made a post and zoomed into the eye, the iris isnt a texture, its actually geometry

[leaden seal]

This and HAIR lol

[jovial chasm]

The optimisation doesn't exist lol

[next crag]

Yeah, Nvidia Hairworks is known to cause FPS drops

[leaden seal]

i still suggest not refunding it tbh

[lilac axle]

I imagine people continue to use UE5 because the graphics "turns heads" and is easier to sell to people?

[hushed leaf]

there's NO WAY

[leaden seal]

i believe it'll be fixed soon

[lilac axle]

Ive heard godot is a good game engine but im not an actual game dev so idk about that

[jovial chasm]

Yep

[leaden seal]

they got 200k after the first hour it launched

[jovial chasm]

Look you can see the Lumen shadows

[leaden seal]

if they use that money properly on the game

optimization will be fixed

[lilac axle]

Actually you know what the biggest tragedy is with the full release?

No willie, 0/10 trash game

[jovial chasm]

There's a post with a video zooming in

[leaden seal]

where

[next crag]

If i could donate, i'll do it.
They just need time, it's just a very small team trying the impossible and they're funded by GameSeer, i'm still happy with the delivered products.
But as you said, not everyone got a nasa pc

[leaden seal]

that small team can become a large team with the amount of cash they got from the game

[next crag]

Willie has been replaced with Ferdinand and Blagewerktungen.
Willie have name, and a deeper voice xd

[hollow cradle]

For me sometimes slums lags to 5 fps and sometimes i can play at slums with 60 fps+

[next crag]

We can estimate at least 22'000 copies sold, many refunded.
But they got a lot of money now, GameSeer will take his slice too

[leaden seal]

ts game has insane potential i wont refund it

[next crag]

In the mud, near the river.
That's the buggy zone and the player fell off everytime

And there's an easter egg, if we can name it like that.
If you're light enough, you can walk slowly on the bridge and get in the village.
There's a chest with a weapon in it, sometimes.
And some armor further

[hollow cradle]

i never came across this bug, pretty sure it's supposed to be slippery too

[lilac axle]

I WANT MY WILLIMJARO BACK

[steep mason]

I js used default name

Benedict

[next crag]

In the demo, when we lost an arm or a leg, our character was just crying on the ground.
But now, we can still get up and win the fight

With like only 1 arm in total

[lilac axle]

-# cumberbatch? 😏

[lilac axle]

Damn thats cool, i hope the "win" screen or the "death" screen isnt as fast as a cut in anymonre

[steep mason]

Just Benedict

[lilac axle]

Sometimes i just wanna see a battle continue on, or try my hardest to keep fighting

[steep mason]

Benedict Ihavenolastnamebecauseimstupid

[next crag]

And we got the Skinwalker from Alien : Romulus in Half Sword now

I liked going trough the abysses in the demo, it was like a 1-life run beating willies on the way until baron.
Now it's zombies, falling on the ground when they kiss a hammer

[hollow cradle]

Zombie bites are supposed to do damage or is it another bug?

[steep mason]

They r supposed to do damage

[next crag]

That helmet seems to be shit

[steep mason]

But if you have armor they dont

[next crag]

When you're a beggar and have light clothes, they do damage

[hollow cradle]

i don't take damage from them for some reason

[next crag]

I don't anymore, even when they eat my face or feet

probably a bug from one of the two hotfix

[lilac axle]

rip zombros

I mean in a lot of trailers and screenhots n stuff im seeing they are way deadlier now

especially because of how the physics sometimes fucks your chars arms up sometimes you cant defend yourself making it an easy bite for the zombros

[next crag]

Yeah if you fall or if there's 2 zombros, it's nearly death

[hollow cradle]

i also can't lunge with the messer

[next crag]

The messer is sometimes really good, and sometimes it doesn't slice at all

But every hammer or mass are doing their jobs

You guys tried hiring soldiers that fight with you ?

[lilac axle]

I find it weird how the mercs dont show up normally in the tavern

you actually gotta hire them from the trainer first?

[next crag]

Yeah, and pay them for a day or more.
If you don't pay them enough, at their last day they will leave

Some of them can win a 1v4 without you fighting.
They're strong

And if they fall without getting up again, you can just grab them by the arm and lift them yourself.
They will come and fight again.

I think that it's a bug, or they're too heavy to lift themselves alone

[hollow cradle]

i'm pretty sure you couldn't easily lift someone like that in the demo

i think it's because of the difference in weights

[next crag]

I love this

[jovial chasm]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1467498260922110035

[golden oak]

Maybe cause they are making more stuff behind the scenes??

[next crag]

In the demo we could fly

And do pole dance

[pure dove]

Messer literally saved my life

I had a spiked mace and was doing really good in the abyss until a fucker ran at me and immedietely ate my hand off

And then tackled me to the ground

Nearly died but managed to get up and used the messer I had equipt to dice up the brains of the last few, all while basically being dead

Messer clutch

[pure dove]

Im too broke to afford them multiple days in a row (at soldier tier)

Ive used them to carry me through commoner and militia tourney and then let them go

[midnight solar]

i hate the fact how you might be right

[pure dove]

I very much doubt this whole theory

Seems too conspiracy theory for my taste

[midnight solar]

looking at the trailer they run the game in high graphics no lag at all i have a VERY powerful pc that can run cyberpunk at rtx high settings no framegen at 20 fps

yet its laggy as hell

due to the grass

and the trees

and most stuff lacking

they delayed the game to fix some stuff yet nothing was fixed

[pure dove]

"Something went terribly wrong with the EA build so they secretely fed us an old build and roughly threw in some new features"

It's just too much

The reason things look different is prob optimization

They realised they didnt have time to fully optimize the new stuff they wanted so they didn't give it to us and it'll come later when it works well

[midnight solar]

actually you prob right

that makes more sense

considering how the blood is ahh but it goes darker over time so yeah you right

[pure dove]

Yeah

[pure dove]

We don't know what it looked like b4 the delay

Prob worse optimization

[limpid vault]

i just HATE when i see grappling like banging the npcs head against the wall only to find out once again the grappling is ass in the actual game

[tight tinsel]

Okay, so I ain't the only one that noticed the missing features showcased in the trailer, also the slums has problem with the tents (I guess raytracing or some other different light source) and not the foliage

[midnight solar]

tbh before i was guessing that they delayed it but it was taking long and if they delayed it again before the release date there would be outrage so they probably released it and removed some of the stuff they couldnt finish

[next crag]

There's a time when you'll have too much money.
More than you could spend

[pure dove]

And i'm feeling rich with my 800 pfennings

[pure dove]

Yeah

[tight tinsel]

Also what kinda irks me is the lack of boss battles for each tier, just the turney

[pure dove]

??

The tourney has the boss fight

Wish they played the boss music tho

They don't do that anymore which is weird

[tight tinsel]

It was always 2 pars then trios afterwards for me

[turbid tapir]

what i just did read

lol

[pure dove]

It should play for the champions as well

[midnight solar]

i had 7000 before i had to sadly had to spend it on a another poleaxe that had gold but i just earned a quarter of that in 5 minutes

[turbid tapir]

Game atleast dont go 1 FPS mode when there is more NPC's then 1.

[pure dove]

The last fight in the tourney there's a really big guy with 2 others. He's the boss there's just no boss music for some reason

[pure dove]

Yeah, the NPCs are optimized a bit. Although I feel the lag during the riot game mode

[tight tinsel]

The baron on the lord tier, yeah. But beforehand I have not noticed any distinct bosses on other tiers

[pure dove]

7000 on a polearm?? 😭

[pure dove]

There is on all the tiers

One guy twice the size of the others

[tight tinsel]

I haven't noticed tbh

[pure dove]

Same thing in the champion mode

[midnight solar]

like it costed not 7000 but i had little left but with my daddy money ahh battles i got a quarter within a 2 or 3 minutes

would i be able to post the leak that happened before with the crossbow thingy considering how the game is released and we already have all those things showed in that video

[pure dove]

Yall in the end game what happens? Can you still fight in the lord tourney or wtv after you beat it?

Can you fight in all the other tournies?

[pure dove]

I mean

I think it's fine

Altho fire and heraldry arent in the current build

[tight tinsel]

Nothing, you just win the lord turney and receive parts of the barons armor

Repeat ad nauseam

[midnight solar]

Yeah we dont have the fire and the custom armor thingy but one thing i really want the the custom armor coat of arms imagine making up your own coat of arms would be fire

[pure dove]

Yeah it's planned for the future

Altho rn I'd be good just wearing any default CoA idk why all the tabards and shields are so colourless rn

[midnight solar]

Tbh i was clicking refresh on the steam page for 9 hours trying to get it to release faster or something and if they delayed it wouldve been better but i wouldve just went insane and lit my computer on fire

[pure dove]

yeah everyone was literally on the verge of madness for the game but then it comes out and they say it should've been delayed

as if the same mfs saying it should've been delayed wouldn't have gone absolutely mad if it was

[midnight solar]

It was worth waiting for though the grass and trees was badly optimized probs due to that but for me everything felt fine except the free mode

[sacred sparrow]

Holding off till march would have been completely fine

Trailer was def made before they removed some systems for needing a bit more work

[midnight solar]

Everyone wouldve gone insane but wouldve been the better choice

[sacred sparrow]

Like the gamemodes missing, that blood

[tight tinsel]

Honestly just admitting that it was raw and needed more work would have been fine

[sacred sparrow]

Yeah they should have just gave us a few more WIPs to quell us

Then release in March

[tight tinsel]

or at least give a small anotation that the features depicted are not yet present in the EA

[sacred sparrow]

It is a very, very fun game. And i see their vision clearly. But it is a buggy laggy mess

[tight tinsel]

true

[pure dove]

I was happy that my pavise was working as a good makeshift backplate until

fuckin butchered

[midnight solar]

Turned into a turtle

Born as a turtle Turned into a human and forced to be one

[bright pagoda]

did he just snap your spine lmao

I wonder if people IRL ever had a pavise for the sole reason of back protection

if your armor does not cover your back it could save your ass from an errant arrow or such

[cinder oak]

hit you with that

[limpid vault]

that reminds me that the HOOK is gone 🙁

or small scythe on a long stick

[bright pagoda]

I really hope we get a bar fight scenario where I can beat someones face in with a stool or other improvised weapon

would be a nice break from the armored slugfests

[cinder oak]

fr i'd love that

[lean epoch]

Valorant

[cinder oak]

we need more just, casual fights that don't have some dude being sliced into pieces

[bright pagoda]

real

agreed

I think that there should be loadouts for each tier so when you fight a lower tier you have the same level gear they do

so you cant just curbstomp them with your full armor set and polearm

[cinder oak]

yeah

[jovial chasm]

Great example tbh, bcs I dont think valorant uses any lumen

[sacred sparrow]

Yup yup

Honestly they should have just mirrored how examinas arena worked

There’s still plenty of time to refine it though, and it’s still fun, so im not worried

[bright pagoda]

exactly the system I was thinking

examina has some pretty good lessons for this game in terms of UI and UX i think

I do hope we get mod support one day so we can add magic to this game

[next crag]

They should also ask for community translations between languages.
This is much easier than doing it with AI or paying peoples to do it.

It is only half translated for now

[lusty spade]

i want to make a dungeon crawler with magic and shit

[next crag]

We need a MG42 modded crossbow

Maschinengewehr

[pure dove]

lmao literally

[pure dove]

works really well, at least in game

upgraded to a tower pavise

[grizzled tinsel]

this game has controller support, just set the controller to "gamepad" in steam input

[next crag]

Can even fight with a pan

[errant turret]

yeah cuz where is the pit and bridge map

[pure dove]

love this map to death

[bright pagoda]

dang I wish it ran that well on my PC

all outdoor maps aside from arena are laggy as hell

despite having an intel i9 and 3080, not the newest but should be able to eek out a decent framerate

[sudden lagoon]

I saw someone posted this tech in use on the Forest map, the WIP channel is full of stuff like this by the way, all being teased for release along with EA.. bro

[olive hamlet]

Yeah, not sure why its not a setting unless its built into one of the graphics presets. I mean some of it is supposed to be an update to EA and some was released for EA. Bare minimum RT blood is in EA now, that skin tech is, etc.

[sudden lagoon]

Also if the demo was 5% of the game and EA is 40%, I’m not that hopeful for the next 60% if what we’re seeing is truly 40% of the progress they’ve made over all this time and not in fact an older fork/build

[olive hamlet]

I didn't think EA was 40% but yeah. Galaxy already fixed most of the blood issues and it should look like the trailer now if its included in the next patch

so no more cartoon blood

[sudden lagoon]

Some good news at least, and yeah I think it was said that the demo was 5%, next fest was supposed to be like 10-15%, and EA 40%, should be an easy enough quote to find, I’m in the ballpark though if not correct

[olive hamlet]

Well I'm glad they seem persistent on updates and stuff

including fixes

[sudden lagoon]

Yeah that’s good to see but they’re still stuck in that very hush hush dev mode, that might’ve been working when building hype but now that EA has started and taking into account all the controversy and everything else previously discussed I think they really need to sit down and start having a serious think about how to start engaging more with the player base and definitely being more transparent for starters, silence breeds suspicion, cooperation creates trust

[olive hamlet]

Yeah, wish mcwonder wasn't the only person talking to the community for announcements

Galaxy does though

in channels regularly I mean

[astral burrow]

its not actually 40% afaik, they said 40% as a hypothetical.

[hushed leaf]

what are they even gonna add in the 60%

[sudden lagoon]

Ball hair

[sterile portal]

Willie’s willie

[hushed leaf]

4k upscaled chest hairs with physics and millions of polygons

but they spawn in clipped inside your body so you never seem them tho

[hushed leaf]

That cannot be 60%

[pure dove]

Pretty sure EA launch was meant to be 30% not 40%

But hopefully more stuff to do in the tavern as well

More gear

Improved combat

Pretty sure bows and handgonnes were confirmed for later down the line

[hushed leaf]

Ok there's no way EA is 30%

[pure dove]

Maybe crafting for our crossbows

More game modes

Hopefully better grappling

Maybe we could move from different spots than the tavern as we progress

[pure dove]

Nevermind

[hushed leaf]

what is steam next fest

[pure dove]

There was going to be a build released in october for steam next fest but it was canceled

[lean epoch]

we do NOT need this bro just give us cubemaps

[zinc owl]

I was wondering where those cards went

[limber dew]

Do you all think this was because of the Fatal Error bug that was happening with blood in the Playtest?

I also note the gore system doesn't even work anymore, a Scyth would chop someone in half, in this it just hits like a bat. Its so weird, i've never seen a game go backwards on launch. Makes me wonder if something happened between the dev team or studio

[zinc owl]

yeah

[sudden lagoon]

Jesus Christ, it’s even worse than I thought, no way the build we have now is 50%

[surreal oasis]

this actually makes a lot of sense and is pretty thorough in explaining your reasons.

maybe this is an older build and the true ea that the devs wanted us to play was corrupted or something else happened that forced them to "give us something"
if its true it makes me feel better

[leaden seal]

The game has a whole ass eyeball render bro

[pure dove]

tbf this was said before steam next fest

[sudden lagoon]

Exactly, that makes it worse

[smoky coral]

another thing i have noticed is any time anyone outwardly and calmly states something like this they are heavily ignored or "flooded" meaning their message gets covered as the mods immediately start talking about nonsense to cover the message.

Lest we not forget these are the same discord members who
-made fun of a user before banning them from the discord
-made fun of them on the reddit post they made on the official halfsword games account
(as well as moai making a reddit alt to try to defend the situation)
-are the same discord members who, upon being questioned directly about such things do not make a comment or will ignore the user

So while i like the game and do like this community they have done shady things in the past (and covered them up) and are doing shady things now.

Furthermore do NOT talk about drama lest ye be beheaded.

furthermore another chat "the demo was better than ea" or thread rather was thanos snapped because ONE user broke discord rules. not the maker of the thread either if i understand.

[pure dove]

everything you mentioned arent the devs

Mcwonderbeast is the community manager and the discord mods are moderators not devs

[smoky coral]

Once I get back to my PC I shall update my message to reflect proper information

My apologies ^~^

[quasi prism]

well I mean they made another one and its still up

[hushed leaf]

Its crazy cope but we have to believe

In this time of silence and lack of communication

[hushed leaf]

It's infuriating, 1984 ass mods

[pure dove]

motherfucker it's not the devs

how many times do we gotta say this

[hushed leaf]

Motherfucker it's a typo

I meant mods

Brain typo whatever you call it

[winter jolt]

need a large buhurt like they show on the cover art ong

[pure dove]

1 fps

[quasi prism]

so uh

the wall banging/ground banging in the trailer doesn't even work on max npc dmg and max blood wtf

and im max muscle size pretty sure

only the wall banging sort of works but I can't get any blood whatsoever to come out

[light monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zbiER9gepc made this cause Im sick of people saying its the same

[quasi prism]

a lot more floaty in EA

[pure dove]

Polearms lowk unusable, besides like the plancon

[quasi prism]

me trying to headbang with blood and dmg on max

[pure dove]

Same

[quasi prism]

not a single ounce of blood came out during that clip I sent

[zinc owl]

same

[quasi prism]

even though everything was on max

[zinc owl]

doesn't help that the character constantly lets go with one hand for no reason

[quasi prism]

why show something thats not even doable in 2 different scenes in a trailer bru

[pure dove]

Also in the trailer when the guy was using one hand and banging the willy's head up and down in the mud

[light monolith]

yeah but they dont slow down mid air

[pure dove]

That's literally impossible you can barely even reach the ground

[light monolith]

and character has functional wrists

[quasi prism]

i guess but I've heard people say the physics become terrible when in the highhest tiers in EA

[woeful pagoda]

i feel like its kinda realistic for a massive weapon to slow down in a wide strike

[lilac narwhal]

Uhhhh momentum...?

[quasi prism]

also 2 handed weapons after most swings bug out and make ur hands like go all flabby and start 1 handing it in EA

really annoying

[woeful pagoda]

i mean in any footage ive seen of halberds being used they dont swing much faster than in ea currently. they arent made for speed and they take a lot of energy to use compared to something shorter with easier weight distribution

honestly tho i gotta try out smaller swings they used to use smaller swings for more speed when waiting in middle guard so hopefully those work well

[quasi prism]

oh yeah I didn't realize, the sound effects are different for head bangs from the trailer too

wow

I made a thread if anyone is interested #1467783744550080699

[hushed leaf]

my current cope is that its just taking the devs forever to say anything because they're making sure their response is absolutely perfect and they're all gonna give everyone who bought the EA $50 for the sadness

[ashen sentinel]

Super valuable content man thank you

Too many people don't seem to understand how much backward the combat system went

Even the character falls down very easely and takes super long to get up again, exactly like it was in older demo

I don't really understand how the dev didn't realise the state of the combat system before releasing, it's the heart of the game, the most important part litteraly

[lilac narwhal]

Something probably happened

[ashen sentinel]

Hopefully they fix it

[hollow stratus]

This honestly makes the demo look leagues ahead of EA. Thanks for sharing 💙

I forgot to turn the @ off, I'm sorry 😭

[hushed leaf]

turning the @ off is for hedgeborns

[midnight solar]

I didnt see it but i changed my mind already

[restive goblet]

been trying to say this holy shit

swordplay took a big shit and feels more like playtest/early playtest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043854764095582260/1430758835030720604/today_i_will.mp4?ex=69816a80&is=69801900&hm=8309d0b47c52d2899cf136e4e6d154aa1761024a6bcb6a8157decdbc45e0f992&

much more difficult to do stuff like this

[lusty spade]

Yep, that’s it. You no longer have fine control in the center, every change in stance is treated as a swing. I find myself in EA having way less fun, because I just flail and nothing else.

[lusty spade]

It doesn’t work like that

[restive goblet]

• wrists are far more delicate and there's none of that snappiness/firmness real wrists would have

as a kendoka i genuinely feel insulted when i can barely pull of a men strike because my guy has zero structure

[lusty spade]

The problem now is that majority of players think it feels this way for the new strength mechanic, but they are separate things.

[restive goblet]

the strength mechanic controls speed and the resistance weapons have to swinging, not stability or structure

[lusty spade]

Yep

[solid flame]

Excellent hypothesis! I blame the publisher essentially forcing the developers to deliver now since delaying again could cause issues.

Since I see this as being nothing more than a mvp (minimum viable product) to get in a burst of money since they'd be continually developing the game anyway.

On the other end though, selling with a discounted launch price makes this conflicted.

I'm incredibly cautious now though. Are we actually gonna see the game we expected in about a year, or will dev-time have ended with the slums a broken mess, and features/mechanics not working as advertised?

[astral burrow]

no, the slums map was shown in the trailer for a few seconds.

[warped lotus]

no they didnt

grab a rondel

and the poleaxe beak is just that way, you cant flip it around to attack with the weapon on the back

[smoky cairn]

Historically speaking the beak on a poleaxe would be for getting behind a leg and knocking over the opponent granted I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to get hit by hit it regardless

[light monolith]

go swing a sldgehammer or an axe and see if it slows down lol

[sacred plinth]

Hell nah this isn’t 50% this isn’t even the same physics from the demo. This is def the early playtest build for sure

Also does your characters swing the pole hammer weirdly? Like my character is a baron and he swings with the axe head turned to its side when I do an overhand swing

[spice tartan]

i know for sure this is an older build because the demo was just like this until the adjusted the grips on weapons to where you can actually control it instead of flailing around completely giving up on defense. The tech demo I can parry with one handed swords and I aint even going to attempt that crap with the released game. My only thing is what did they fuck up so badly that they had to completely scrap the demo's progress

[warped lotus]

hot take yall

ignoring the noodle wrists

i like the polearm physics more

[spice tartan]

i somewhat agree

if my arms would stop chicken winging I actually like it more

[warped lotus]

what part of the game are you in

[spice tartan]

updated polearms dont hit the same

[warped lotus]

are you still skinny or muscular

because i can make helmets fly with polearms

[waxen vale]

I hate em
Not because some polearms are too top heavy, but because ALL of them are
If I make a bladed polearm with a heavy shaft and a light head it shouldnt still play like a maul

[spice tartan]

I somehow managed to make a pole axe with .02kg lol

its my prized joy lol

[waxen vale]

Like look at this, this is sad as all hell

Light meter on the head set to minimum, wooden shaft set to heaviest

Still more top heavy than most irl halberds

[spice tartan]

spears are better at being halberds than halberds are change my mind

[waxen vale]

And that sucks, let me have my nimble glaives and poky spears

[warped lotus]

wait till u get the german halberd polearm head at knight rank

[waxen vale]

The halberds can he heavy, there should be room for all kinds of polearms

[spice tartan]

I have a halberd over 4kg I'm chllin with bonking power lol

[warped lotus]

what weight is ur character at

[spice tartan]

i kill baron instantly with a headshot

[waxen vale]

I was at lord for a while, but that doesnt change the fact that a spear being that unbalanced is stupid

[spice tartan]

but it would be nice to have a glaive that was fast and not act like a sledgehammer

[warped lotus]

isnt this like max length

[waxen vale]

No

[warped lotus]

idk man they handle pretty well for me

[spice tartan]

like if they could make it like the staff, that would be good but whenever you put a head on it, it becomes a sledgehammer

[waxen vale]

Besides, most polearms irl had their center of mass between half and 3 quarters of length

[waxen vale]

Yesss it sucks

[spice tartan]

lemme show yall my super halberd of speed ima record it lol

[waxen vale]

Some spears were also legit heavier at the butt end than the front end due to tapered wooden shafts

So weighted more like swords than hammers, but most were closer to two thirds of the length

Instead we have literal construction grade sledgehammer weights here

That has to be a good half of why stabbing with them currently sucks and quick hand swap swings make your wrists flop inside out most of the time with even the lightest head

[warped lotus]

Tip

[waxen vale]

Its not a matter of total weight, its of point of balance

[warped lotus]

do the hand swaps above your head

[waxen vale]

The thing is, it should not be that complicated or clunky to do something your weapon is designed to do well because it was made with a completely insane center of mass placement

There is no redeeming that part

CoM is as important to polearms as it is to swords, some are better a bit more tip heavy, some are not

And currently none of that matters

[spice tartan]

behold my super poleaxe of speed

[ashen sentinel]

What's the craft for that lmao

Shit weights 0.1 kg

[spice tartan]

its .02 kg lol

i think i glitched out because i cant replicate it

[ashen sentinel]

That's what i thought too lmao

That shit looks so op

[spice tartan]

but its as small as possible with low weight

it doesnt stab or whack hard but a thousand cuts is lethal lol

[ashen sentinel]

Can you make a clip showing full swings on the head on knights etc ? To see the damage output

[spice tartan]

sure

[ashen sentinel]

.02 is insane lmao

A poleaxe made of air

[spice tartan]

took me a while because it kinda sucks against armor but the blocking is kinda nice outside of the enemy weapon still rocking me

[ashen sentinel]

That's interesting to see

I wanted to try different poleaxes and compare so this is interesting to see

The weight matters truly

And this one you got is the best if they're unarmored, crazy speed and still 100% effective

[spice tartan]

I wouldn't say its effective, its kinda a strike their weak points in hops that you finally cut them. but weight definetely determines cutting/ stabbing and bludgeoning power

honestly the staff hits harder than that poleaxe. the only saving grace is I can kinda cut people

hell the scissors weigh more than that pole axe lol

[sacred plinth]

Even with fully muscular wrists the pole arms swings weird, my character starts the match only holding it with 1 hand. Comparing it to the demo is night and day tbh. But I still love the polearm and polehammer over a lot of other weapons

[spice tartan]

keep the polarms the same just fix the noodle arms and make longswords and one handed weapons like the demo and I would say thats perfect

I got to the point in the demo where I can parry longswords with a one handed weapon

[sacred plinth]

Parrying and riposte in the demo was just so much more fluent than this fr

[sharp creek]

I honestly just think a new entire engine is needed because unreal engine is awful but I know that is basically impossible lol

[solid flame]

I'd have said staying with UE4, because UE5 is garbage.

[sharp creek]

Yeah

[solid flame]

I find it curious though how hostile people are towards the idea that the opinion that the game has launched in a terrible, unreleasable state.
With all of the hype and whatnot, and the recent (and also old) stigma of Early Access medieval games, I'd have expected the game would've launched in a more complete state.

Because this cannot be 60%.

[sharp creek]

Lol

I just ain't happy with the fact they are treating amd like it doesn't matter

No frame gen

[solid flame]

...Or Intel.

[solid flame]

Also no DLSS.

[sharp creek]

Mine has dlss

[solid flame]

Does it work though?

[sharp creek]

I don't know if it works tbh

It can be turned on all I know lol

[solid flame]

Yeah, it doesn't work. I've changed settings on it and it does nothing.

[sharp creek]

Just kinda annoying with the blood and stuff on amd

Frame gen

Dlss maybe I don't know

[solid flame]

People saying how performance is totally fixed if you just run dx_12...

dx_12 is laggier AND has block blood on Intel GPUs

[sharp creek]

They need to sort stuff like that out mostly on amd and Intel and all that because Nvidia get most attention is kinda unfair but what can we do TBH

[stray brook]

DLSS has actually made a big difference for me - I'm able to play most of the game on Epic with the exception of Slums (I just put settings in medium and fixed)

[warped lotus]

Yeah but dlss is not at all meant to be a get out of jail free card for bad optimization

it's a get more kinda thing

[stray brook]

No but it lets me play the EA game I've been wanting to for over a year

stonks

[warped lotus]

Yeah

May be cope but i kinda cant go back to the demo

with all this new content

[stray brook]

People that are going back to the demo after buying EA blow my mind, unless you are running the game on a genuine potato.

If potato maybe shoud've saved $25 to put towards new rig

I'm having a blast on progression. The ending tiers are hard enough it's not a faceroll win, and economy is easy af

[warped lotus]

I get the people that go back because free mode isnt free

And the nonexistent wrists

But honesty i like how polearms handle now

You can like

Actually feel their weight now

[stray brook]

I'm just having too much fun with the flail

[warped lotus]

Cant leave my dear old flail behind

[light monolith]

Lol the whole gaming industry seems to think so nowadays

[craggy sandal]

"just save up" life is notoriously easy

[ashen sentinel]

I disagree tbh, the balance point system in the forge for polearms is awful

And the slower swing is really not realistic at all, combat system clearly went backward from the demo

[pure dove]

same

[pure dove]

fr

[pure dove]

i think there's improved capabilities with the combat but the physics make it feel worse than the demo

like now when you bring an axe down to your side after an overhead it flips around so when you draw back up you can cut again

[ashen sentinel]

The strength buff is good but the current physics are worse than the demo, someone also posted a comparaison video in there that shows this issue

[pure dove]

or when grappling an opponent down you can elbow them

extended movement with sword

the animations/abilities have been improved but the physics just botch it

[ashen sentinel]

Yeah i saw these little things, with good wrists we could have an actual improvement for certain weapons

For swords you can also attack after stabbing

Don't need to clic off anymore

And the issue with polearms is that you can't craft good spears, the balance point stays way too high

The slow swing are so bad too, acting like we are swinging a 30 kg poleaxe of doom when it's litteraly 3 kg lmao

It's way better on demo, but it will probably get fixed eventually

[pure dove]

yeah if they fix the wrists and the physics then the combat will be better than the demo

altho i hope they buff early game, because we start off way too weak it makes everything feel like shit pretty much

i think strength should correlate with stamina not with handling

[ashen sentinel]

Ofc, but then again they could have copy pasted the system, or tried to transfer/replicate it at least, it feels weird how they could look at any poleaxe/polearm/halberd etc and think that they are okay, or how no playtesters saw the issues

But they will fix it i have hope

[pure dove]

because any joe, thin as a pencil or big as a rock can hold a pollax, but one will just last longer while using it

[sacred plinth]

so we can all agree this is some hackjob build we got for EA

[ashen sentinel]

I belive when being stronger it would make sense to swing weapons even harder/stronger but litteraly we're talking about weapons that weight nothing

Any human on the planet can swing 3 kg

So a big 93 kilos dude struggling is kinda comical

[clear tapir]

I feel like no one is grateful for atleast getting different material

[ashen sentinel]

Nah i was the first to say it, but it doesn't excuse the rest

Grateful for content, and forge, disappointed about the blood/optimisation issue, physics downgrade, missing content, free mode being empty and missing customisation option, unreachable loot in the forest

The baron tier is also unfinished, having only brave stands feels like they scrapped off new types of knights for some reason

[coarse merlin]

i pressed progression. and it loaded fine but then i got stuck here on this map, i reinstalled multiple times, didnt work. deleted save, didnt work. can someone help please?

[pure dove]

Fr

[clear tapir]

True

[clear tapir]

All I'm really saying is for people to be patient because this game has real potential

[ashen sentinel]

The bosses in tourneys feels so easy too, compared to demo where they are actually feared and remembered, only the baron fits this category in ea. Right now i couldn't tell you how every tourney boss looks like, sometime i don't even know wich one is the boss until i realise wich is taller. Imagine that they gave us actual original boss for tourneys, would be sick

But ofc i'm happy for new content, i completed progression mode the first day, i was happy to play it anyway

[pure dove]

I think the champions are randomly generated tbh

Which is weird

There should be unique bosses like in demo

And they should be hard

[clear tapir]

Yeah i did like how there were bosses

[pliant orbit]

it has potential, and i want to love the game (i have 130+ hours in the current demo plus more in past demos/playtests), but that's disconnected from the devs lying to their playerbase and pushing one of the most abysmally dogshit EA launches I've ever seen.

[ashen sentinel]

They seem to be the exact same as regular champions round during the tier progression, i don't mind these ones tbh but in tourney we deserve actual boss, similar to demo boss in terms of power and intimidation

They don't got the same weapon everytime etc, they could be random yeah

[sacred spear]

Feels more like a 10% at most

[ashen sentinel]

The worst i have seen too

[pliant orbit]

after being delayed to "make it more stable and playable" and claiming to have achieved that no less

[clear tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-red-dead-redemption2-rdr2-dutch-dutch-van-der-linde-gif-13435041

Have some goddamn faith

[sacred spear]

Do y'all think the next fest build had the same amount of content as the current ea

[pliant orbit]

they effectively gutted any reason to have it

[sacred spear]

I think they just broke the game and had to start all over atp ngl

[ashen sentinel]

My only guess is that some stuff when wrong truly, there's no way that someone would think this was a good release, no way they didn't know every issue that we mentionned, the dev, testers, and whoever else got their hands on the game had to know

Because it's blatant

The whole playerbase saw it hour 1

[pliant orbit]

if in a couple months they actually go through and have fixed shit, and started communicating more? sure, i'll throw down my money to rebuy the game and get back into it. Right now, we've been blatantly lied to and fed a dogshit product that is actively worse than past demos for it, and they remain radio silent with zero transparency or proper communication.

I mean fuck, I couldn't even play progression. All I could access was worse versions of the demo lol

[clear tapir]

It definitely feels like the devs were very strested and pumped out something as fast as possible

[warped lotus]

Lets hope it has nothing to do with the publisher

Otherwise this games cooked

[pliant orbit]

and theres no excuse for not being open to some degree about whats going instead of flat out lying to your players

[sudden lagoon]

Yeah it’s nowhere near that, old builddd

[ashen sentinel]

Yeah we need answers

[clear tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-lonely-rain-sad-gif-17251270550084838059

I just wish people got along

[pliant orbit]

had they been open and admitted that it wasnt a good build but they needed to push something, there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash, but they instead opted to lie to their playerbase to get them to buy a trash product

no matter how much i love the game im not gonna sit here and make excuses for them

[sudden lagoon]

Unless they say anything soon I can definitely see them trying to brush the issue under the rug, OR when they updated the playtest that time and everyone hated the changes, they quickly reverted them but the same couldn’t easily be done for the build and all the progress they had at the time so maybe we’re seeing the consequence of that? Honestly there’s way too many variables and we need something concrete you’re right

[sacred spear]

Yeah it's impossible to defend

[pliant orbit]

yeah they have a track record of the same lack of communication so i have literally zero faith that they'll fix that

as far as im concerned i love the game but at this point unless something drastically changes the devs are not worth throwing the support to

[sacred spear]

What if they actually didn't do shit and ran out of time

[pliant orbit]

also why the fuck are demo and EA settings connected to each other and stay consistent between them

[ashen sentinel]

They lowkey grinded cash out of us tho 🔥

[sacred spear]

It was prob built on top of the demo

[pliant orbit]

then why is it worse than the demo

[sacred spear]

Ehh I wouldnt say it's worse

[pliant orbit]

it plays like an old playtest build

[sacred spear]

I mean it's not what most of us expected but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's worse than demo

[pliant orbit]

it actively is mechanically worse

[sacred spear]

The 0.4 playtest?

[clear tapir]

Agreed

[ashen sentinel]

It's worse but has more content

[pliant orbit]

^

[ashen sentinel]

Once they fix physics/blood issues/optimisation issue then it becomes better

That simple

Then maybe next they will deliver the content they promessed in trailer

[sacred plinth]

the different material is cool but why not add onto what was already established from the demo?

[sacred spear]

I think atleast the enemy ai is improved

[pliant orbit]

i was phyiscally unable to play Progression, i got a black screen w/ background audio and a crash to desktop every time i clicked it

[clear tapir]

True

[sacred plinth]

we're missing several helmets, swords, the factions that were there

[sacred spear]

Agree

Minus the gauntlet

[ashen sentinel]

The black knight armor as well, and other stuff

[sacred spear]

The old pitchfork is gone

[ashen sentinel]

It's actually in a map

[sacred spear]

The thick heavy one handed axe too for some reason

[ashen sentinel]

You can loot it

[sacred spear]

Which one?

[ashen sentinel]

The one in that cave or whatever

With the circle

[lilac narwhal]

No it isn't

[ashen sentinel]

#halfsword-chat-⚔ message

It's not there 100% of the time but it spawns sometime

I found it

[sacred plinth]

it pops up in the alley mostly on the benches. the cellar is less likely but it still pops up

[serene orbit]

whats going on with EA i just got back from a halfsword break

[sacred plinth]

the rodian dagger is in the cellar too

[pliant orbit]

its one of the most dogshit ea launches of all time

[lilac narwhal]

The early access is overall worse than the demo

[ashen sentinel]

It's the best game ever, buy it now !

[frigid briar]

poor performance and suspected old build of the game because of the unusual physics, but not the most horrible thing in the world
i would certainly wait to buy it unless you don't think 20 bucks is a big commitment
it's worth trying if you're willing to pay the 20 though

you can just refund it anyways

[sacred plinth]

yeah it's kinda bad lmao. i stil have some fun with it cause i want to support the game but man this shit is a mess

[sacred spear]

All demo enemies could be beaten the same way

[serene orbit]

that sounds about right :( playtest -> demo was a downgrade to already, not that surprised this was another one i guess

i was kinda hoping it would be good but i didn't expect much

[sacred spear]

How is the playtest better than the demo

[frigid briar]

the physics are much more similar to the playtest than the demo, but it's still even further back than that in how it feels

[sacred spear]

🥀

[lilac narwhal]

Current AI will repeatedly walk into spike traps and mostly only overhead swings

It's actually kinda worse

[serene orbit]

i found the sword physics of playtest a lot more solid than demo, not to mention how horrible billhook feels in demo

[sacred spear]

But atleast its harder to fight against

[serene orbit]

demo feels super floppy like 90% of the time

[pliant orbit]

but its not though

[lilac narwhal]

It's more aggressive but not in a good way

[sacred spear]

Armored fights in the demo were boring asf cause npcs were too braindead to do any actual damage to you

You can go and try it

[sacred plinth]

demo physics hit better to me imo.

[pliant orbit]

i have 130+ hours in the demo. i have.

[sacred spear]

I agree on the handling part but it had a more interesting gameplay overall

[sacred spear]

Then how do u think demo npcs were hard at all

💔

[sacred plinth]

yeah idk why they added anti calvary weapons when the only horse in the game is dead in the forest lol

[pliant orbit]

im not saying they were, im just saying that EA didnt make them necesarrily harder

[frigid briar]

i have 29 hours in EA apparently

[pliant orbit]

if anything it just made them more annoying

[sacred spear]

Atleast they can knock you out in armoured tiers, in demo they were free wins

[sacred plinth]

i feel like certain modes makes it annoying. first blood and knockdowns are kinda stupid multipliers to have in a buhurt game

[pliant orbit]

tbf armored tiers are more boring in general anyway

imo

[quaint quiver]

its true. Demo gets very easy quickly

[sacred plinth]

cause their physics are janky

[frigid briar]

it's cool and all until they break your neck swinging far faster than you can with a beak and stab you through your standard and kill you instantly or shove you and headbutt you and break your neck immediately

it needs a lot of work

[quaint quiver]

Ion know how I feel about the Early Access Physics. It

[sacred spear]

In the playtest armoured fights are much better imo

[quaint quiver]

all the fights are

you have way more control

And stabbing is so much less of a pai

[sacred spear]

Wait did I say playtest

[sacred plinth]

its a few steps back imo. weapon handling regardless of fitness seem unyeildy

[sacred spear]

I meant to say early access armoured fights are better than demo's

🤦‍♂️

[pliant orbit]

give me the noble tier or whatever the name is where you get swords but no armor yet over literally any of the armor tiers

so much more fun

[sacred spear]

Well doesnt matter much since armor is made out of cardboard in the early access

[frigid briar]

EA is really messy for certain, and i wish they'd used the demo physics instead of what i can only assume is the early playtest or earlier physics
we can only hope that their (presumably) panicked development leads to a reimplementation of the better physics

[sacred spear]

actually

they're almost the same physics as demo

just with a muscle training system added

that's why weapons might feel too clunky at times

[frigid briar]

i doubt that. try using a sword of any kind

sword handling is VERY different

VERY clunky

and that's how i remember it being in the early playtest

[sacred spear]

what swords have u been using 😭

and this is a heavy sword too

[frigid briar]

no, but even that. the way the wrists swing around, it looks clunkier

it's very difficult to get a clean swing like in the demo

[sacred spear]

that was even worse in the demo

[frigid briar]

which demo are you talking about?

[sacred spear]

did you try using greatswords in the demo?

[frigid briar]

the one that's currently on the steam store or the old one

[sacred spear]

the gauntlet demo

0.5 demo

[frigid briar]

yeah okay then

[sacred spear]

what early playtest?

[frigid briar]

hold on let me record a little

[frigid briar]

between the old demo and the current demo, the playtest you had to sign up for

[frigid briar]

it's very different though

[lilac narwhal]

I do think the clunkier, slower swings ironically leads to more reliable vertical overhead swings than demo when it doesn't bug out

But the handling and physics overall are definitely worse

[frigid briar]

pardon the poor performance in EA version, but that could also be part of the issue

[sacred spear]

since it's lagging let me see if I can record a comparison myself

[frigid briar]

i get that the weapons are built differently

[lilac narwhal]

Look at those wrists 💀

[frigid briar]

but the difference is apparent (i had to buy a longsword for the EA comparison because i exclusively use polearms (because the sword physics have been butchered))

[frigid briar]

ovrdth himself agreed with me in the comments of one of his videos when i said the new sword physics are egregious

[frigid briar]

i was trying to mix in diagonal strikes into both but the EA version just does not work with them

which was an issue with the playtest

[sacred spear]

hardest demo enemy

hardest knight tier fight in demo

ok but taking a second look you might be right on the handling part @frigid briar

it def does feel more solid in the demo

[frigid briar]

yeah, it just feels a lot less snappy in EA

and it's really hard to do anything but overhead/side strikes because diagonals have awful edge alignment in general

[sacred spear]

I think the sweet spot would be keeping the new EA enemy ai

with the old handling but with the new EA overhead strikes

[frigid briar]

yeah

the enemy ai in EA isn't awful, and it's put me in dangerous situations at times, but the swinging kinematics are kinda awful now, at least for swords

[sacred spear]

the biggest offender were messers

did u try them

[frigid briar]

the baron's sword is basically one big messer and it's really hard to use lmao

it feels like swinging a polearm without the leverage benefit

[sacred spear]

I also miss the demo stability

now you fall over anything and take centuries to stand up

[frigid briar]

oh fs

i don't want to be tapped on the leg and hardly be able to walk

[pure dove]

Weird that there's no boss music

[ashen sentinel]

He also said it in this thread

[ashen sentinel]

It might be why armored fight feels harder for some people, tripping constantly for no reason and then 10 years to get up, i agree that the ai plays better in armored tier compared to demo tho, wich is a good thing, but i find that i only lose because i just fall over, i probably got knocked out like 3 times that's it, and 1 actual death from the baron.

Out of hundreds of fight probably

[sacred spear]

Yeah sometimes I fail from fucking swinging my damn weapon

[bright pagoda]

the worst is when your leg gets grabbed by a phantom and you eat shit and get your skull caved in

[sacred spear]

Same

[ashen sentinel]

I killed the baron 10 times so that says a lot about the amount of armored fights

[bright pagoda]

the physics are so whacky sometimes in this game

[sacred spear]

Wait I never thought about the strategy of removing my enemy's helmet when they're grounded to kill them real good

[ashen sentinel]

Exactly man, i had times where i fall all alone, and so many times where i try to have realistic close range fights and then my character randomly flops over for no reason, it takes away the immersion, in demo the ai might be weaker in armored tier but at close range the interaction were really enjoyable, ofc a longer range they were getting cooked tho

[bright pagoda]

is it possible to pierce armor in this game? or most of the time is it just clipping when I get blood through armor

[sacred spear]

Well the pick can

Sometimes

👁️

[sacred spear]

I get seriously pissed off when I fall for no reason and then I never get back up

[ashen sentinel]

I believe it's possible, i got a 5.3 kg longsword and it goes through standart and probably i clip through armor sometime (half swording), i had ocassions of slicing their legs with normal powerful swings too

[light compass]

Just don't skip leg day. If you wear heavy armor and jump a bunch your leg muscles beef up and you fall over less easily

[sacred spear]

But how tho

[ashen sentinel]

Nah it's lowkey identical to old demo before major physics reworks, falling over the same way, taking the same amount of time to get up again

We're already max weight so it's not the strenght

[sacred spear]

I tried training legs but it didnt seem to make me more stable

[ashen sentinel]

Just physics

[sacred spear]

I think the more armor you wear the more unstable you are

[light compass]

Idk I wear all plate armor and I have been doing three jumps every match and after a couple days my character is an immovable wall. I can run down champs

[ashen sentinel]

Same bro, i just give up right way, no point to wait allat time

[sacred spear]

Can you show us your exact loadout?

[light compass]

Not at the computer sorry

But I have the barrons chest piece and legs and then just plate everything else and the armet with the plume and metal shoes and gauntlets and shoulder shield as well as using a pole arm with a sheathed casted mace and longsword at the hip

So is quite heavy

But my guy fell over all the time before I started jumping every match. Now he is just like a bull and can charge anyone to the ground. I just wish you could train your skull to not get knocked out so easily by headshots lol

Maybe its placebo and I just got better at tickling the keyboard to stay up. But the devs said this would work and I started doing it and I don't have a tripping problem anymore unless I take a shot to the head

[ashen sentinel]

If that's real that's the dumbedt thing ever

"do 3 squats if you want normal physics"

If dev made that bro i might uninstall

[light compass]

🤷

[ashen sentinel]

I thought the strenght system reached max when reaching max weight

I heard that spamming jumps helped for gaining weight but i never heard that it would make the character more stable

[warped lotus]

are yall playing on slums or something i never had a tripping problem

[light compass]

I mean all these metrics are hidden so I can't say for certain but seems to have made a difference for me. Now when I do armored fights I just sprint directly at the enemy and shoulder check them to the ground

[ashen sentinel]

Everyone with a lot of hours on demo and that is familiar with physics screams that there's a tripping problem at higher ranks, even casual players got this issue too, if you don't see it it's probably because you're not aware of it

But basically in older demo build it was like that, then the dev fixed it

But now it's back in ea

[light compass]

Anyways I gotta run, but happy squatting or jumping jacks or whatever you wanna do

[sacred spear]

#general-catfish-🐱🐟 message oh boy

[bright pagoda]

you can jump in this game?

[frigid briar]

hold space and release

[bright pagoda]

huh, cool

ty

[ashen sentinel]

That's crazy lmao, considering there's 0 moments where it's useful to jump it means they expect us to spam stationary jump if we want to be able to stand on 2 feets correctly ??

Time to set up the macro

Let it run for a bit and i'll see

[pure dove]

I found myself spam jumping trying to get in that stupid fucking cart lmao

Still yet to do it

[ashen sentinel]

I made a post about that actually, some guy use the spinkick method to get inside of it

This cart in the forest is such a bait, all you can do is somehow try to stand on the box get your arm inside and grab if you can, or spinkick and manage to get a leg in there and climb

But it's so much time consuming for very little reward, way better to ignore the cart and move on.

You'd thing they would create a door for us to pull and then walk up to reach the cart but nah lmao

That would have been hilarious if they made the crossbow only spawn in there

[ashen sentinel]

#general-catfish-🐱🐟 message 💀💀💀💀

[sacred spear]

Bro won without even moving

😭

[pure dove]

Pure intimidation

[ashen sentinel]

The build is crazy

I wonder if it's actually possible to reach in the game rn and how it's done

Or if he just maxed out something in the code to make this monster

[pure dove]

People have been doing it on the subreddit a lot

[ashen sentinel]

I gotta learn this shit then

[pure dove]

You gotta mess with game files iirc

[ashen sentinel]

Aah okay

Well not interesting then

I assume it was after pushing strength or whatever

[pure dove]

Would be funny if there was like an unlock button

[ashen sentinel]

Yeah, this could be in free mode tbh, free mode had so much potential for customisation, character/weapons/armor/enemies

And yet there's nothing

It could make the game a lot more replayable if they simply copy pasted these customisation options that there's in progression mode

But having them for free at anytime

[pure dove]

I believe they'll listen to the community and fix free mode

[winter jolt]

there's nothing worth in there

[pure dove]

Given the huge outlash

[winter jolt]

its just something like gauntlets

[pliant orbit]

THATS what the muscle building looks like??? Jesus christ that's so fucking stupid

Yeah let's make a realistic medieval combat game but to be effective you have to look like you're on steroids even though almost every historical weapon is much lighter and more dexterity based than media portrays

[ashen sentinel]

Apparently it's obtained by playing with the game files

[pliant orbit]

It's still a dumb system in general imo

[ashen sentinel]

That would be good to know if the character is maxed or not in terms of strenght

I believe max weight is max strenght but idk

[winter jolt]

they cap it at 90

[pure dove]

Mate

I think you're the stupid one here lmao

[winter jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/lindsey-buckingham-lindsey-buckingham-cat-gif-2830529586602905305

[clear tapir]

If you constantly just swing your body around, (with a low body fat % since it is the medieval ages) you can build muscle.

[hushed leaf]

it is for these spoiled brats

[hushed leaf]

dude someone who i assume works at gameseer doesn't even know what is going on lmao

[worthy axle]

Lmfaoooo

[hushed leaf]

my question is where tf are the testers??? why arent they speaking up

[restive goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[restive goblet]

you think testers would want to say anything when they only had 5 days

[hushed leaf]

what does this even mean

[restive goblet]

they released closed testing submissions 5 days before the game dropped

you think they can bring a game from this current state to whatever utopia perfect half sword version in 5 days

[hushed leaf]

no

[restive goblet]

exactly

i think the testers realized this too

[hushed leaf]

i mean why did the testers seemingly not say anything about it being a mess to the devs

[restive goblet]

let's be real

even if they did

devs would physically not be able to make that 5d deadline

it's just not possible

[hushed leaf]

so delay

plus, they would've been playtesting it far before others so they would've at least partly known before

[restive goblet]

community playtesting is a lot better since it exposes flaws and feedback from average/normal gamers

but whatever the case may be this game needed like 6 more months

[hushed leaf]

indeed

i am glad we agree on that

[hushed leaf]

i mean, idk if you'd be allowed to say anything, but you were a mod at one point did yall have any input from the devs?

or are they completely disconnected from the server outside of announcements and updates and wip and whatnot

[restive goblet]

zero

mods were just cleanup crew who took the full blow of the community's wrath

we got absolutely nothing just like the average player

[hushed leaf]

oh damn

[warped lotus]

LMAO

[lilac narwhal]

There's no way

[lapis siren]

Some of the mods were saying some stupid shit on release and deleting criticism for being off topic

[small basin]

1. GHM said gore rework isn’t optimized enough for release. This was going to be the huge update for EA that got pushed back.

2. Most people complaining about perfomance are trying to run the game on decade-old components (Ive seen several 1060 3gb complaints LMAO)

3. They have been fairly transparent, but since signing with an actual publisher there are constraints. Gotta generate hype and all that.

[chilly trellis]

Point 2 is kinda nonsense my man, plenty of people on mid-high end rigs also having issues

I'm on a 4070 w/ a 5800x3D and Slums is borderline unplayable at low settings. There are clearly large issues with the game's performance independent of user hardware configurations

The arena from the demo runs OK, about as good (read as: not great) as the demo itself ran. but Slums is absolutely a mess.

[quasi prism]

point 2 is complete bull shit, point 3 I mean they really have not been transparent whatsoever other than Galaxy and Mcwonder sometimes. They also promised features that didn't even release with EA even tho they said it would...

for example I have a 4060 and get 20 fps on outside maps, and have to use frame gen to even make the game playable

[near solstice]

for point 2 im running a 4060 i5 13400f and 16gb of ddr5 and im getting 20-30 fps on low with dlss

not the best pc but at the same time i would expect more than 30 fps

[agile frost]

I use 1060 6gb and I get 50-60!

[quasi prism]

yeah I feel like visually with this game I should be getting like 55-60 fps but I get 20

[small basin]

DX11 or DX12

[small basin]

^ ?

[quasi prism]

I've tried both

both run like shit, I get a bit more fps on dx11 in cellar

but even worse fps on dx11 in outside maps like slums

its really inconsistent, sometimes I can get 30 fps in slums and use framegen to make it feel like 60+ and other times it still lags even with framegen enabled..

[agile frost]

I'll try dx12 but on the demo it would memory leak my graphics card and then crash really really slowly

[small basin]

Eitherway, 4060 is not exactly a good card so it doesn’t exactly disprove my point. I have an RTX 3080 with Ryz 5700x3d and swapping to DX12 fixed all performance issues

This game is very much CPU heavy, too, so GPU is really just for VRAM and standard core utilization. If you’re getting a steady 20-30 fps, it’s likely CPU, drive, or RAM related

[agile frost]

oh shit

so when I have discord open that's why it drops to 20

[near solstice]

dx11 runs really bad dx12 runs slightly better

[small basin]

Yeah it’s probably time for an upgrade

[agile frost]

my cpu may be below minimum

https://tenor.com/view/alien-extraterrestrial-movie-scene-gif-6746292148918175301

[agile frost]

it's genuinely the worst time for that

[small basin]

Get a CPU with 3D vcaching and you’ll be set for the next decade

[agile frost]

everything is so expensive

[quasi prism]

it doesn't matter if the 4060 is not great, any other decently optimized game I get 60+ fps on high 1080 yet I get 20-30 on medium in outdoor areas on this game. Also it does disprove ur point cuz you said "Most people complaining about performance are trying to run the game on decade-old components", yet most people are complaining on mid end systems. And either way this game is extremely unoptimized regardless.

[bright pagoda]

I am on a 3080 and i9 and it runs like Ass, definitely needs some heavy optimization

I get like 20 frames in slums

[chilly trellis]

A 4060 is more than capable for significantly more demanding games than this, let's not mince words here it's not a hardware configuration issue on the users end of things causing problems

We can just say 'yes this janky little indie game has quite poor optimization', it's not the first time nor the last time it'll happen.

[small basin]

Change to DX12. Unless you’re talking slums riot, I get a stable 60+ on slums now with the same GPU. Either that or your i9 is not the gaming one

[bright pagoda]

I am on dx12, also def the right i9, I get like 90-100 frames in star citizen and Microsoft flight sim on high

Def not my PC

Game is just unoptimized as hell

[small basin]

An RTX 4060 is budget level, not mid-level. An RTX 3070 is where the line for mid-level is drawn, for now (maybe 4060 ti)

The point remains that these complaints are budget gamers pretending like their $300 GPU should be able to run experimental, EA game

[small basin]

Low settings and DLSS on ultra performance?

[quasi prism]

yeah uh a $300 gpu should def be putting up more than 30 fps consistently

[bright pagoda]

Yes

[radiant crystal]

you cannot in good faith defend the game's optimization when the slums has an entirety of europe outside of the playable area, fully rendered, with shader, has 4 layers of textures under the map, a map wide water pool under it etc.

[bright pagoda]

Agreed, should at least run it on low lol

[quasi prism]

regardless of what you say or think, this game is hella unoptimized. More so than borderlands 4 which is sad

[bright pagoda]

Even on low there is volumetric fog and lighting

[quasi prism]

yeah and also its not just vegitation thats unoptimized

I tested forest with vegetation off and still got awful fps

[bright pagoda]

Game looks really good but runs apocalyptically bad

[bright pagoda]

Same

[small basin]

I would consider my PC mid and it runs just fine for me post-hotfix. I can absolutely, in good faith, tell people to upgrade and stop complaining

[bright pagoda]

It looks so ugly with no plants too

[quasi prism]

like idek what or how its so unoptimized but it amazes me

[chilly trellis]

there is no 'pretending' here, a low-mid gpu should not be suffering so much on such a limited scale game and this is very dismissive and non-tehnical posturing from you

my PC is flatly mid-high spec and I also have some serious complaints about the performance

[wild wraith]

jesus half sword is being torn to pieces by the community aint it

[chilly trellis]

Just a rough launch, otherwise a fun game

[bright pagoda]

This

[radiant crystal]

"You will consume unoptimized UE5 slop and you will like it"

[bright pagoda]

It had good bones

Just rough as hell

[chilly trellis]

If you let it slide and go 'i just need to spend $300 more dollars then its good :)' things never get fixed

[small basin]

Expected performance for experimental, EA game, yes

Not great

Not perfect

But good enough for those with decent PCs

[chilly trellis]

The game arguably ran better in an earlier state

[bright pagoda]

Not really lol

[chilly trellis]

Again, my PC is beyond 'decent' for a game like this and struggles greatly

[wild wraith]

i mean demo was a bit laggy here and there but it must be bad if its getting dragged through the mud this hard

[bright pagoda]

Even mfs with 5080s having issues

[quasi prism]

man just stop, a $25 experience should NOT be running at 20 fps on medium graphics on a 4060.. Just stop trying to defend it. This game runs worse and worse each update/version. Og abyss demo ran 150 fps for me, playtest/demo 60 fps, and now 20 fps on med

[small basin]

What’s your build my “technical posturing” friend?

[bright pagoda]

It’s across the board bad performance, I love this game but you have to be real

It’s in a rough state

I have no doubt it will improve

[chilly trellis]

Nvidia 4070, 5800x3D, solid RAM, I don't have issues at 3440x1440 this bad even in other 'experiemental' EA games

[quasi prism]

everyone is having issues even higher ends, ur just lucky ig. The game is unoptimized, that's it. There is no defending saying "its EA, should expect it" ITS $25 and is near unplayable for most players, and the free version honestly ran way better.. @small basin

[chilly trellis]

If I can run a 400 dwarf Dwarf Fortress save better than your game, you've got some serious CPU optimization issues lol

[radiant crystal]

the game is no longer experimental

[chilly trellis]

'stable' 'there shouldnt be any major issues' lolol

[wild wraith]

"stable" the audacity

[quasi prism]

even more proof you just can't defend this game man..

[radiant crystal]

taking off a doublet off a dead willie gave me a fatal error

[quasi prism]

Atleast not in the optimization catagory

[radiant crystal]

intrepret that as u will

[wild wraith]

if it was stable the entire community wouldnt be cracking out the pitchforks and torches

[radiant crystal]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_Efyg_W4AAFy9L.gif

[lilac narwhal]

I'm on a 4070TiS and 7800X3D. On demo I could push 150+ FPS on high/epic. In early access I'm dropping into the 30s. There is no excuse for the abysmal performance loss.

[chilly trellis]

some people will die on the sword of defending their favorite indie game even w/ no ground to stand on, I love half sword and have played it for a looong time but the defense brigade is being ridiculous

[quasi prism]

agreed

[wild wraith]

if they made it a demo upgrade everyone would be ok with it, but 20 quid is kinda crazy, especially how the demo runs better

[chilly trellis]

I expect performance to not be perfect first version of EA, but drastically less stable than the prior demo build? IDK about that my man

[quasi prism]

Them calling it "stable" is just so funny to me

[radiant crystal]

even for people that have the game running decent, they mention the slums map running very poorly

and no wonder why considering how much random shit is rendered in it that you never see

[quasi prism]

I mean Galaxy said that Internal feedback and communication wasn't listened to from the main devs

[radiant crystal]

feels like they just took a random asset map and didn't bother shaving anything down

[quasi prism]

so it is starting to add up how this occured to me

[radiant crystal]

this is the issue i have with people constantly glazing and bootlicking devs no matter what

it's clear there's a problem in the dev team that needs to be addressed

[chilly trellis]

yeah otherwise it's fine enough, Arena runs as good as it did in demo (e.g. not great), cellar runs great (its a single room, it better), slums is like 20% of the performance of cellar

[quasi prism]

even Galaxy said he was getting fed up with it lmao

[radiant crystal]

boiling everything down to "bad pc lolol" makes the devs feel like everything is fine

and it's all the community's fault

[quasi prism]

the other devs need to listen to tester feedback/internal feedback if they plan to make a good game.. It's sad Galaxy came out and confirmed that they didn't listen to internal feedback

its why the game is so unoptimized, they just didn't listen to any internal feedback

[wild wraith]

isnt this thread the top of bug reporting right now

[radiant crystal]

i've also seen people downplay the complaints about weapon handling which is definitely worse compared to the demo 😭

[wild wraith]

hopefully it will be hard to miss

[radiant crystal]

https://medal.tv/games/half-sword/clips/m2yJVbC3K0uZCXwUe?invite=cr-MSxEcGgsMzAxNTYxMDcz&v=21

[quasi prism]

yeah especially the 2 handed weapons

they get stuck and you get noodle arms every swing

[wild wraith]

i knew the demo polaxe had some issues but thats crazy

15 seconds of unusable weapon

[quasi prism]

to be fair, there is some good things about EA. But the bad things outweigh the good things 2x

[radiant crystal]

i really like the new gore and blunt trauma in EA but the weapon handling is def worse

especially when making custom weapons

[solid flame]

It's funny because it's straight up lying.

[radiant crystal]

at this point just give us presets for demo weapons

[solid flame]

And what is lying called in context of marketing?

[quasi prism]

there isn't new gore, only like a bit of new blood and a new bruising system

[upbeat sleet]

There was a bug making those entirely unusable. And after the patch swords are still nowhere near as good as in the demo.

[quasi prism]

gore was slightly polished I think, but the blood is really bad at times right now

[solid flame]

And that new blood/gore has some of the worst performance I've ever seen.

[quasi prism]

which Galaxy has cooked up a fix for next patch so im not really bothered about it

[solid flame]

Hopefully universally, because Intel GPUs are suffering just as much as AMD (maybe even more).

[radiant crystal]

the gore is different but you just don't see it most of the time

and it's also quite janky

also, you can now chop up bodies better in EA

[solid flame]

They need to fix the weird LoD situation, because whenever I go into first person (or very close) to gore, my game just fucking dies