armory-⚔️

[violet grove]

totally works, very nice

[cedar spruce]

It's also not ahistorical lmao, there were messers the size of a longsword around 100%

Usually the blades were a different shape than the one in the example but

Eh, close enough

[pseudo pelican]

Yeah if you use any of the other blade designs it more closely resembles it, but this one tends to keep better edge lineups on swings

[cedar spruce]

Entirely fair, but also I will be using this to make myself a historically accurate two handed Kriegmesser

[pseudo pelican]

When you do, play around with the mass by changing the Head mass for the sword before switching over to the Messer. Mine is more unwieldly and intentionally heavy, but if you get the weight right it should completely function as a proper Grosse Messer

[ember robin]

Hello, why can't I send photos to the group?

[fluid frost]

Guys is what's the ideal length of a sword for it to be labelled as a Bastard Sword ingame?

[warm nymph]

What is the armory dawg

Ohhh

Ic

[keen cedar]

That sword is abnormal one. You setted your whole sword only for pushing their head to faint them. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
There's no one who want to use swords like that 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[short timber]

Bro check the build at the end

I'm too lazy to clip farm and put it together but this sword is the best against armored opponents

Until they add greatswords back that's the best option right there

[short timber]

You'd be surprised the amount of people asking for my sword build in comments

This sword can litteraly defend overhead attacks from poleaxes etc

It can even block attacks from the baron

[keen cedar]

Other sets can use for defend them

That is not pro which is only for that

[short timber]

And what sets lmao beside a heavy sword

You're gonna tell me a 1 kg sword can block poleaxe attacks ?

[keen cedar]

That is steel ingot

Yes

[short timber]

Not it can't

[keen cedar]

I'm using 1.5kg sword

Do you want me to show you?

Come to Voice 1

[short timber]

The only time i used a light sword the opponents kept swinging through every blocks because of the character wrists issue

[keen cedar]

I can show you

[short timber]

Just send clips here

[keen cedar]

Come to Voice 1 channel

[short timber]

#halfsword-chat-⚔ message

It's unfazed by poleaxe overhead attacks

A 1kg sword is too weak at knight rank the opponents will swing through your guard and blocks, if you're half swording your sword will be too weak and lose the close encounters anyway

I went from 2.5 to 5.3 and yeah there's a massive difference

[dense zealot]

4 kg swords are a nice part

where swords get a bit goofy

you should make them crazy long too works well both early on from soldier? to all the way until really armoured guys show up

[short timber]

For armored fights a heavy sword will always be better on every aspects compared to a light sword that's just how it is

On this game is what i'm talking about

[dense zealot]

i would like to say by virtue of swords being crazy long

you can have a reach advantage even while half swroding

so just make shit crazy long and heavy

just make the weights balanced so it feels nice to swing

[short timber]

Half swording is the way for armored fights anyway, unless the goal is to slap the opponent with it wich is useless

[keen cedar]

Editing video size

Hold a min

[dense zealot]

its for armoured fights

but i found that really long swords can be used that way even against non armoured guys well

[short timber]

Yeah ofc, not too close to the guard but not blade heavy balance point either

[dense zealot]

it feels more like half swording a spear

[dense zealot]

idk if its the weight but it cuts super well even from brief tussles

[short timber]

#halfsword-chat-⚔ message

https://youtube.com/shorts/kSLtBlM2z50?si=_oaYzE1YY5ka6IUC

Feel free to check this out

[keen cedar]

Look at that one

[short timber]

A heavy sword just move the enemies around like they're not resisting

[keen cedar]

Can't defend poles with light sword?

That is your skill issue

[dense zealot]

heavy swords in long just work well against everyone

[keen cedar]

Let me show you additional video to prove my sword

[short timber]

You're comparing some weak ahh hit from a polearm compared to two full force overhead from a poleaxe

The npc also swing through your block at one point, wouldn't happen with my sword

That pommel strike you gave to the opponent would have sent him to sleep with my sword

[willow atlas]

A light sword can block an overhead swing though, at least in halfsword stance

[dense zealot]

always in constant fear of getting knocked over with poleaxes

half swording works well

[bleak anvil]

guys

what is this

how do i put on vambrace

[willow atlas]

Arming doublet

[short timber]

#halfsword-chat-⚔ message

Would it block this that easely

[dense zealot]

would love sword breaking mechanics just to fuck with half sworders

[bleak anvil]

its red

for me

and i cant put it on

[dense zealot]

so what we learned today is half sword is op

just make your swords goofy long and heavy

half sword will make it work

[bleak anvil]

how do put on vambrace i have arming doublet and i cant put it on because for me its red

what

[short timber]

What i'm saying is a heavy sword will always defend 100% of the time, even against the baron's beak, your light sword will get punched through and is weaker overall, defense, attack, halfsword attack, pommel strike, worse in every way it's just how it is, i never said the light sword is unplayable, i said it's worse for armored fights

You're tempting me to make a comparating video just to prove you wrong fr

[keen cedar]

remove chains from Armor Craft NPC

[blazing cave]

honestly this is how i feel for most swords blunt damage against armour is so much stronger then in the demo

almost every time i’ve decided to use any sword i’ve just thought „dang a poleaxe would be so much better here“

[keen cedar]

What are you talking about. You told first your sword can defend poleaxes, so I told you other lighter swords can defend it and that is not a pro which is only for that.

You misunderstood bro

That depends on player not weapons

And if weapons' pro is "good for defending" that is not pro. Eventually, your sword throw out all reach advantages. What you showed us is not a sword fight what we want

[short timber]

You said "there's no one that wants to use a sword like that" about a sword build genuinely better in every way compared to a light one, if it was at a lower rank light is better, but after man at arms rank a heavy sword is better in every way

I don't see what's better in a light sword for those ranks, i see so many flaws tho

[keen cedar]

If we wanted to play that way, we already know it's better way to used poleaxe.

I defeated baron's tourney with light sword several time already

[blazing cave]

i once killed him with a crossbow somehow

[keen cedar]

They are more ease to swing, they can accelerate better than heavier one. And if you give more frontal mass center. It can make similar blunt force as heavy one

[short timber]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kSLtBlM2z50?si=_oaYzE1YY5ka6IUC
How can you say it's not what we want, this thing litteraly destroys them, chops every heads and throats, send people to sleep in one blade/pommel strike. Halfswording is the way to go anyway against knights

It moves enemy around like a truck

[keen cedar]

Using only halfswording? Without capablity to swing which is unable to blunt.......?

That is not I want

[short timber]

Why would you want to blunt enemy from afar with a sword tho

[keen cedar]

Cause they are capable of

[short timber]

Putting yourself at risk playing int he enemy poles range

Might as well use a poleaxe if you're trying to blunt enemies

[keen cedar]

They acts like steel baseball bat when they swing against armors

They are not only to cut

They can blunt dude

Think about the mass

They are not a box cutter

[short timber]

I just don't see how that playstyle is better, i can easely win the lord tourney halfswording only my sword, if i were to play blunt game with a light one i would get sent to my feet by the enemies poleaxe etc

[keen cedar]

They are weapons which almostly formed with steel

[dense zealot]

what?

The pommel?

[keen cedar]

That is your way, and swing to blunt enemy is my way.

[keen cedar]

Nope blades

[dense zealot]

the steel part can also get so heavy its basically the same as swinging

you can obviously swing

requires a bit mroe muscle grease

Swings are much more slow precise and damning if you miss

better to just half sword similiar results

[keen cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh81pXHNR2I

[short timber]

Halfswording a sword is just better as you're getting too close for the pole enemies to do anything at all, easely cuts heads off clean, and throats too, one strike from the blade/pommel sends them to sleep anyway, even if you just flail in their face it moves them like a truck and they fall.

[keen cedar]

Look at the video

[dense zealot]

half swording acts as both a blunt and cutting implement

[keen cedar]

If they swing harder, it's enough to faint or blunt them

[dense zealot]

swinging full on reduces cutting advantage

[short timber]

Unable to blunt when litteraly one strike with blade or pommel sends them to sleep ?

Wtf lol

[keen cedar]

Who said blunting without halfswording is impossible

[dense zealot]

u

[short timber]

The video i sent you litteraly shows a clip of an opponent taking blunt and falling instantly

[keen cedar]

Did you even read my chat properly....?

[short timber]

What you said is just incorrect tho

But i read it

[keen cedar]

I told you, we have to be able to blunt enemy without halfswording

They are not a box cutter

[dense zealot]

so you cant blunt without halfswording?

what?

[keen cedar]

When they move fast with their mass, they can blunt you even if you get armors on

[dense zealot]

tldr you can do everything with every way

half swording is just faster and requires less muscle grease

i have done some swinging rounds

it works

[keen cedar]

You guys are insisting without looking game play video that I sent

WOW

[dense zealot]

we did see it tho

whatever

[keen cedar]

That doesn't mean we can't blunt without halfswording

[short timber]

Yeah but one strike from my sword even if halfswording just sends them down clean, in the full video that you first quoted litteraly the baron falls right away after a blade and pommel strike as well

[keen cedar]

Did you even ever swing a baseball bat......?

[short timber]

If i wanted i could go full blunt with blade and pommel and take everyone down, but what i do is i cut off heads and throats

I'm not talking about irl here, just straight up the game

[keen cedar]

That can't work as blunt, that is result of game physics overacting. Yes, it can eventually in this game. But, that is not realistic. They are exaggerated

That has to be fixed

[short timber]

Even on the demo this works

[keen cedar]

I know that. They have to fix it anyway

[short timber]

You can blunt with the blade when half swording, this has to work irl too

[keen cedar]

They are error

[short timber]

You're gonna tell me a full force doesn't blunt when halfswording irl

[keen cedar]

I think you are misunderstaning or I delivered you wrong, I never told you that we can't blunt them or cut them with halfswording.

[short timber]

The pommel gives massive blunt too btw, not just the blade

[dense zealot]

i do not believe in what im saying, i talk recreationally

[short timber]

Are you saying we're not supposed to do it ?

[keen cedar]

Wut?

Read my chat

again

[short timber]

I mean idk what you're saying then bevause here you said unable to blunt

[keen cedar]

I told you nothing about we can't blunt or cut when we're halfswording. What I told you were about we have to be able to blunt against armor when we are not using halfswording.

You guys are totally misunderstanding

like you are with dyslexia

[dense zealot]

refer to this

[short timber]

Well honestly i don't need that, i said earlier that for armored fights especially against poles opponents i don't wanna play at their reach when i use a sword, i prefer to halfsword and play close range where they can't do anything

[keen cedar]

Mainly what I'm talking about is swords don't need to be used like that while you throw away their reach advangtage
So I told you before if you want to use sword like that, you should use poleaxes.

[short timber]

If i wanna blunt from regular swing i would use a poleaxe

The only reason i can't swing consistently a 5.3 kg longsword is because of the well known wrists problem

Once this is fixed i'll be able to do it anyway, similar to demo greatsword

[dense zealot]

demo greatswords were awesoem

[keen cedar]

But that doesn't mean swords have to be unable to blunt agaisnt armor with their blades while swing

[dense zealot]

this fucking guy lmao

[keen cedar]

They are more realistic. Current swors is result of too narrow grip and characters don't use their wrist to fix their blades' direction

[short timber]

But the advantage of a sword in a knight fight is the halfswording where you outplay the poles opponent, as soon as you play from reach you put yourself in danger compared to them because their weapon becomes better

[dense zealot]

you can still use swords just require way more precision

its doable i understand

just really fucking difficult

[short timber]

Even the demo bots will rush you halfswording when they have a greatsword because they know they'll lose otherwise

[keen cedar]

But, halfswording makes in danger too while you wrestle

[pallid crescent]

hedge-born!

[keen cedar]

That is what I'm talking about.

[short timber]

I don't think so personally, because the heavy sword like i said cut their heads off very easely, it moves them like a truck, or gives them huge blunt damage

It's so heavy they trip if i give them bodyshot

[keen cedar]

This guy is thinking like no one can or need to blunt armors with swords

[dense zealot]

swords are so heavy you can basically cut and blunt easily

[keen cedar]

And, I already showed him blocking poleaxes with light longswords.

[dense zealot]

Thats blocking?

[keen cedar]

He is keep insisting light swords are useless

Yes they can block it

block poleaxes

[short timber]

Well let's see you beat the lord tourney with this method then, i believe 100% it's harder for no reason and less safe to play like this, you think the opposite, so prove it

[dense zealot]

uhhh

[keen cedar]

That is optional challenge for me

And I already defeated it

several time

[dense zealot]

@short timber refer to this

[short timber]

Sounds like you can't to me

[keen cedar]

Don't think your limit is same with others

[dense zealot]

if this is the limit of humanity i will change what it means to be human

[keen cedar]

LMAO

[dense zealot]

ahh statement

[short timber]

I'm sure rondel dagger is easier than longsword full swing with a 1k sword

For the lors tourney

[keen cedar]

I don't want to blame him, but he is keep insisting his limit is the limit of all players

Look at that

[dense zealot]

its doable just not the blocking

[keen cedar]

I already told him to watch me proving myself

[dense zealot]

you can swing with slow mo precisely

[keen cedar]

He avoided it

[dense zealot]

you were getting hit on your arms in the clips tho

[keen cedar]

And he is keeping insisting without any clues that I can't win games like he did?

WOW

[short timber]

It was a polearm and not even full force+ the opponent swing through your guard once, this compared to my clip of a full force poleaxe overhead perfectly stopped twice, i can go further and actually go clip the defende against the baron eventually when i'll play later i'll show you, a light sword can't stop that

[keen cedar]

That is my mis control. sword wasn't in correct direction

[short timber]

It was a polearm too, and not even full force

[dense zealot]

yeah

a real poleaxe would knock you over

[keen cedar]

And if you block same attack with same movement while you use heavy swords, you get damage too

[dense zealot]

no?

[keen cedar]

That is true

[dense zealot]

heavy swords can basically shrug off anything

[short timber]

Exactly if you try the same thing that i did in my clip the poleaxe will swing through your block

[keen cedar]

You showed just few blocks while you pushing enemies' head

I already showed you blocking several attacks even without halfswording

[short timber]

Nah the enemy was doing full force overheads

And they connected

The sword blocked it all tho

And this was random clips of the first duels when i made that sword

Like i said it can block anything including the baron's beak

But i never bothered clipping this but when i play later today

I will

[keen cedar]

What I remember there were 4~5 full overhead

For 4 min

[dense zealot]

i dont understand where this guy gets the confidence to make shit up as he goes along lol

[short timber]

Bro it was a polearm, and you got hit once, and it wasn't full force

The block you lost wouldn't have been lost with a heavy sword anyway

Are you really denying a heavy sword has better defense ?

That's one of the main reason to play a heavy sword, it has better defende

Litteraly weights 5x more

Lmao

[dense zealot]

remember accidentally making a heavy sword and fucking making an armored guy go flying with it

realized how op heavy swaords are

[short timber]

What i'm saying is your method is less safe and harder to pull off, but you keep saying it's not true

[short timber]

Exactly you can just bodyshot them and ragdoll them around

I saw instantly the difference when i switched from 2.5 kg to 5.3

[dense zealot]

the real advantage to heavy swords is being able to knock over that one wasp nest high up

[keen cedar]

What are you talking about. What I told you was THAT IS NOT ONLY THEIR PROPERTY. There was no diffference between how thier mass is when they are in attack movement. I already created and used, tested 80+swords before. And their was only tiny difference between them except how they move or they give damage

[dense zealot]

then talk properly stop going on random witchhunts

[keen cedar]

You are making me a man who talked heavy swords are not useful when attack than light ones

I never talked that shit

[short timber]

Well you should try them again then

And try half swording properly

You'll notice massive difference

If you're just doing normal swings then because of the wrists problem ofc heavy sword are worse for you

[keen cedar]

As I said before, I know that difference. And, what I'm talking about since 15 minutes before is they don't have advantage than other ones.
Do they have any advantage than other weapons? No, blunt is worse than Great Axes and pole stuffs and reach is shorter than any other weapons.

So what I replied to your video first was "That is abnormal one"

[short timber]

Because of their weight heavy sword have better defense, they can defend anything litteraly, they have stronger attacks ofc, more blunt damage, can ragdoll the opponents, considering its use is halfswording only they're safer to play because the poles opponent cannot do anything at close distance, at close distance the light swords will have weaker blunt power, weaker attacks, and overall light swords have weaker defende, the opponents can swing through your blocks and guard, even if you can block sometime it's way less consistent compared to a heavy sword. I'm not saying all this to be annoying or anything it's just factual information

[keen cedar]

What you have to do was just admitting that "That sword customize has no reason to use except for entertaining."

[dense zealot]

reminds me of that shel silverstein poem about the sidewalk ending and there being grass on the other side but thinking about it you will probably fall off and break your bones if you attempt to go over it

light sword shenanigans just dont work

[short timber]

Bro if we are comparing swords with other weapons then poleaxes are better ofc

Doesn't matter the sword build

[keen cedar]

That is right, but the reason why we use swords is not to shenanigan enemy mainly.
There are much better weapons to do that

And, he is acting like I insulted him

Even what I told him was "that customize has no better reason to use than other weapons".

[short timber]

Litteraly the first guy said that he was struggling with armored enemies, and he asked for a longsword build for the lord tourney, i send him the actual best one and you replied laughing emojis saying no one wants to play that and ranting on light swords, when they're litteraly worse.

I don't really understand what you're saying fr

[keen cedar]

What I talked to you was that one is just a weapon for entertaining

I'm talking about gereral situation.

The situation that you replied was special case

[dense zealot]

theres a place where the sidewalk ends i cant guarantee whether lightbulb will find it orn ot

[short timber]

This whole time i was talking about man at arms + btw because that was the topic of the discussion, it's what the first person asked about too, if we're talking fully unarmored fights then a light sword is better ofc

[keen cedar]

How do I know that someone asked you that he need pervertic customize for who can't swing swords properly?

[short timber]

I'll say it again but the first person was asking for a build vs armored opponents, more precisely the lord tourney

So it's why i was talking about this

[keen cedar]

That makes sense better

[short timber]

I didn't understand your very first reply to me with laughing emojis telling no one wanna play that sword, so it's why i seemed like i was confronting you

[keen cedar]

I needed that information to understand background

It was only to show you I have never expected customize and it was fun

It wasn't to insult or blame you

It was little frustrated in good way

[short timber]

You probably didn't see but my first message was a reply to that person

[keen cedar]

My second reply was to check others to heavy swords are the only ones which can block poles

It wasn't to deny your opinion buddy

It seems like there was a misunderstanding between us

[short timber]

I thought you were saying lightswords are equal or better against armored opponents

[keen cedar]

Nope they have some different pros and cons

They can't be same lmao. I know that in common sense buddy 😁

[short timber]

I mean one is way better for armored fights the other is only good for unarmored fights

[keen cedar]

LMAO That was exactly misunderstanding. I thought you were talking about they can't damage against armors at all

[short timber]

Both can be used in either scenarios ofc but when considering one is better than the other i don't think we should consider both

I wouldn't bring a heavy sword to a commoner fight

[keen cedar]

Yeah that is right

They are too much for them

[short timber]

But once they fix wrists or if they add greatswords it might change

I feel like next patch will be big

[keen cedar]

Yeah all of them can be much more effective than now for all target

Me either

[short timber]

No dw i wasn't saying that, i know they can all blunt

[keen cedar]

Yes we misunderstood both of us 🤣 🤣 🤣

[short timber]

Yeah, light one will have even more control and heavy ones will be actually usable, like demo greatswords hopefully

[keen cedar]

This is what we call lack of conversation lmao

[keen cedar]

I dont use heavy ones cause they are harder to control and frequency of attack

It's better for me to try more attacks with more speed

Speed can cover their mass problems when blunt

[short timber]

Next patch has to have some new physics, it will have new blood mechanics too because galaxy shared some stuff about it, but if it was only about optimisation/blood then they would have already released it, i feel like this patch is taking longer because of new physics rework

Or they're trolling us and just preparing new content and not fixing physics lol

[short timber]

I didn't even try to swing them normally yet, the wrists thing tilt me too much

[keen cedar]

lmao after one is too bad for us

It's better than you expects when they are light enough

I'm using 1.5kg with 1/5 mass center from cross guard

Close to arrows to change cross guards as you want. That was the best option for me to swing them properly

[short timber]

I should give this a try but i didn't yet, i want to make longsword content as well some people be asking for it in my comments but this wrist thing is so bad i want a fix before making a video first. Once they fix it it'll make so many sword builds playable

[keen cedar]

That seems better

[short timber]

All those mid range swords, or light and heavy will change, so i'm waiting before making content

For now i play demo when i want to sword

[keen cedar]

What we can do is only waiting for their fix OTL

Me either

[short timber]

Do you have a screenshot for balance point

[keen cedar]

Let me make same one

I don't have it

I remember the mass center

[short timber]

Idk what's best between very close to guard or more on the blade, ik too much blade is bad for lightsword but idk how close to the guard it should be before being too weak

[keen cedar]

I think heavy ones are better with close to guards to improve their stabilization, and light ones are better with front center to improve their impact

Heavy ones already ensured for their impact, and light ones are ensured already for stabilize in their natural

[short timber]

Considering i half sword it only i have a more blade balance point on a heavy sword

I don't think a close to guard balance would be better for heavy it would probably still be unusable

Even a mace breaks the wrists

I don't think there's anyway to make a 5kg sword work before they fix the wrists

Beside halfswording

[keen cedar]

I think it's this one

[north nova]

Say that again..

[keen cedar]

It will be better if you adjust it as you want

[short timber]

Half..

[keen cedar]

WUT

Half-Willie

Scarfaced willie

[short timber]

That's actually unbalanced i believe

[keen cedar]

They are not bad as it looks like

They can stabilize better than it looks

Because they are light

[short timber]

Yeah but wouldn't you get way better results with a close to guard balance point

[keen cedar]

It seems like they wiggle less when you equip targe or pavise on your shoulder

That makes it too weak to blunt armors

When they swing

[short timber]

For an irl sword this would be unbalanced but idk how well the irl physics transfer to the game

[keen cedar]

I can sure inertia in this game effects weapons too much in bad way

If willie can fix their blades' direction, they can be more useful than now and act more like irl

[short timber]

This is the heavy one i made wich i believe is balance on the blade

[keen cedar]

yes that is for heavy enough one

[short timber]

Similar to irl swords blade balance point

[keen cedar]

Balance that I show you is for only light swords which has purpose to be useful against armors

[short timber]

Now i was under the impression than something way closer to the guard would change a lot the control speed and impact force, but after seeing your balance point i'm unsure

[keen cedar]

My swords which are heavier than that one has closer mass centers as they got more and more heavy

That is just trade between impact and control

related with mass

[short timber]

I understand now, but i thought these kind of sword couldn't be used properly because of unbalanced

[keen cedar]

That's might be but they can stabilize better with targe or pavise on your shoulder

[short timber]

What sword would you make for perfect control

[keen cedar]

It seems like it to me

That one is the best for now

They can blunt, follow my hands properly, control easily, cut properly

For all targets

[short timber]

I have to test and see then, i thought something like 5cm abive the guard was the best for perfect control

[keen cedar]

You have to move arms slowly when you cut to keep your blades in hostiles body and fast when you blunt armor

If you move arms too quickly when you cut soft target, your blades will be bounced off or snapped to outside from their body.

[short timber]

They really need to add greatswords back

[keen cedar]

Literally and truely, we didn't need to the way how to use swords if we have great swords which is similar with ones in real life

Current HS EA Great Swords are just "longer long swords with longer blades"

Grip has to be longer than current EA.

[short timber]

Yeah exactly

It's just longswords

And we need greatswords

And wrists especially

[keen cedar]

I'm gonna protest if they don't bring them back 😂

[short timber]

I will crashout if we don't have normal wrists next patch

[willow prism]

my wishlist for the update is working wrists
more bosses
greatsword

gimme that and ill be happy

[old kindle]

🗿 tiny wrist gang rise up

[mint iris]

what secondary weapons do you guys use?

[north nova]

Usually a mace when late game and sword early

[manic folio]

Longsword and Rondel dagger

[compact oxide]

I suggest what they use, but more specifically for mace, use a short casted mace you can easily use one handed cause its nice to two hand a casted mace but not quite as much when ur other arm is fucked

but definitely use the weaponsmith and make a little dagger you can use in case you dont have a rondel

[paper nebula]

these hands

or rip off your own helmet and beat them to death with it in case of emergencies

[calm forge]

Baron mace dealer

[north nova]

a mace and a dream

[calm forge]

6 maces and a dream

[fringe dawn]

The stand user could be anyone

[old kindle]

A goblet and a chalice

[ornate merlin]

LOL

[tame umbra]

arming sword and rondel dagger, i like sword better even in the late game bc i can pretty reliably stab weak points while in half sword and i hardly ever use the rondel dagger i just carry it bc it looks cool lol

[tall vault]

Custom casted or small sword

Usually depends on what amount of armor I’m dealing with

My mace could be used as a primary ngl but swords are more fun

No matter what tourney I’m in I’ll always keep the mace and either a sword or another bludgeoning weapon

[vivid ravine]

I use a longsword as a secondary. Flail or casted mace as tertiary

[tall vault]

I got a peak long sword build

I think all of my weapons atm are custom built

[zealous plover]

Barons Beak as the primary and Baron Sword for the secondary

[leaden dome]

guys

i just found a uh

crossbow

where do i get ammo

and how do i use

nvm figured it out, bit jank but works

just gotta get ammo

[cedar spruce]

I have made my weapon, and apparently I cannnot share it because it won't let me post photos

I have found it to be EXTREMELY effecient at decapitations

[hard prawn]

Yo Im pretty sure you can find a quiver of arrows lying near the wagon in the forest

They should be next to the chests by the back

[cedar spruce]

I can confirm that, it spawns in the lighter box next to the big crate the crossbow spawns in

[cedar spruce]

Also, it is my new favourite weapon, until I made the Grosse messer I had never had the pleasure of slicing someone in half and watching their top half do a full flip before hitting the ground

Now I do

[twin silo]

can u take it to free play cuz i just enjoy shooting them with crossy tho arrows are pretty glitchy but bringing 2 crossbows for 2 arrows isnt exactly the best

[cedar spruce]

I have no idea, really

I don't think so cause they generally don't show up in your inventory?

[twin silo]

yeah they dont

well idk why but when i was playing progress when i took crossbow i had 1 already in crossbow and one in the patch or whatever it is but freeplay u just get single arrow already loaded

[hazy light]

Is this weapon a pick up or custom?

[old kindle]

Its a poleaxe I built with the swordsmith

[hazy light]

Can you post the craft for it, it looks like fun hahaha

[old kindle]

I wont be home for a bit sadly but its a Poleaxe with the heaviest pole (longest strip of steel running down the top) set to 3/4 length and lowest weight, no guard, full size head with 1/4 mass, main striking head is the spike shown in my photo, secondary head is the circular disk with the tiny spike on it, the top of the poleaxe is the tiny nub as shown with the addition of 2 even smaller metal nubs on the sides of the head. When i get back ill post a build

[hazy light]

I will give it a go, thanks ❤️

[old kindle]

Got it

[hazy light]

Oh awesome thanks!

[honest knoll]

the hafted axes are so nice

[young junco]

Cinquedeas would be so cool to have

what do you guys think about them

they are technically knived

[young belfry]

agreed, honestly more knife/dagger type weapons in general would be great

[dull falcon]

would be cool if we were able to joust eventually

[final tundra]

you go with shield + axe? how does it works for you?

[vestal wave]

whats this channel for

[willow prism]

Showing off ur loadout

[main moss]

Shoutout to this guy, he's survived the longest out of any merc I've hired. Most die in their first round.

[honest knoll]

two handed hafted axe

no shield

[final tundra]

wdym most diw in their first round?

Take care of your people, you monster

[final tundra]

Oh okay

[main moss]

Oh yeah they just run into a halberd and die

[final tundra]

[honest knoll]

but shield axe is a very viable strat

[main moss]

(No really jesus christ you're a knight and not wearing a bevor)

[visual thistle]

@cerulean wind

@dark kindle

[haughty epoch]

I want to be able to make a bollock dagger

[quick cedar]

anyone that can tell me what these other slots are? like next to neck armor and helmet on the right side above spaulders/pauldrons, also the one above my main weapon? i have no idea

[reef trout]

I have found one extant piece that fits the time period so far

1470

the cursor in the game is actually from 1500 (out of period)

[young hatch]

Is the Baron's Beak stronger than any craftable polearms and pollaxes?

it seems to be alot lighter/ easy to wield for it's size, as well as more likely to knock helmets and pierce armour

[willow prism]

Yes shits OP

Trivializes everything

Maybe the free mode 20 gram poleaxe is better i havent tested

[young hatch]

what is that

[willow prism]

The poleaxe available in free mode that weighs 0.02 kgs

[mint iris]

you cant use them yet but i assume they are gonna be for more chaimail

like a coif

[neat sparrow]

bro's shaft has NAILS IN IT

https://tenor.com/view/cory-x-kenshin-dissapointed-stare-headphone-gif-5251760277545263250

[grizzled anvil]

That would be a cool dagger to reverse grip

[tight bobcat]

about to coat my halberd with poison dmg

[keen cedar]

This one?

Me: Wait, what the fuck is wrong with this swords appearance

[tight bobcat]

it's a dagger

[dry marsh]

very gool dagger handle

[cyan drum]

i hope we get these kinds of polearm head sometime

[willow prism]

i hope we get update in 43 seconds

try the spoilance challenge its pretty fun

[tight bobcat]

early access tomorrow

[loud cove]

My name is Ander Dingus

[haughty epoch]

Most definitely

[dense cairn]

Just make every dagger toggleable into different grips

Could it be the publisher who pushed early access ?

They dont need it. The creators will market the product organicaly if they make it even better “Good Streaming” game

[willow atlas]

The what now

[willow prism]

simple and not super hard
ur not allowed to go into a match with a weapon, meaning what you can find on the floor/ steal from ur enemy is all u got

at soldier it does start gettin a bit rough tho

[willow atlas]

Interesting

[sinful bane]

A new grip mode keybind would be very useful actually
reverse grip daggers, reversing polearms to use the other side of the head, two handing shortswords that can only be halfsworded

[willow atlas]

Knight tier is suffering

[willow prism]

absolutely

hall usually has a halberd or a polearm on the wall tho (and the traps)

[vivid ravine]

Accidentally got the "I am placing blocks and shit" outfit

[nimble wagon]

How do you get schrieber role

[tight bobcat]

be a trusted reference/source poster

[nimble wagon]

Oh ok

[rough magnet]

polearms are ironically dEADLY

when u halfsword them

like I've beat so many so fast just by halfswording

[cedar spruce]

Especially if you have the blade/hook on the pommel

[storm flower]

Ohhhhh gaaawwwwddddd I'm abouta cuuuuuuhhhhh

[silk swan]

the armor is 77.8kg fully loaded, which this isnt
i rock a maxed golden mace, working on getting the rest of the barons armor

@sand gate check this shit out

[turbid ingot]

THE BUCKLERS COVERING YOUR ASS GOT ME CRYING BRO

[silk swan]

It works way too well

I got out of peasant and commoner by putting a bunch of weapons and pot lids on my belt

[old kindle]

Disarmed and had to switch to secondary weapons

[tacit basin]

I wish grabbing weapons from the floor was slower

If you had more armor

Secondaries are so useless I feel sometimes

You have to get disarmed or purposefully go for a secondary

Rondel is useless despite how fun it is because often the enemies give up or you can just claw off their armor

[atomic lichen]

claw off their helmet and THEN stab them

or just have a naked brawl with willy

[tacit basin]

That immediately kills them though

[atomic lichen]

why dont you wanna kill em

[tacit basin]

Abyss

[atomic lichen]

Abyss is fun

[tacit basin]

I don’t find it that fun if iou are fully armored from the start

[silk swan]

3 tower sheilds

[tacit basin]

It just becomes a slog because the zombies can’t kill you unless they get a bite or the neck which is impossible with neck protection

[small kindle]

whats the best weapon to craft

[tawny cloud]

the magic sword of spontaneous combustion

[atomic lichen]

If they bite normal sword kill areas they can

IE: Thighs, shoulders, head.

It just takes a minute

[old kindle]

Poleaxe imo, with spike primary heads, cleaves through armor and unarmored without discrimination, with a sharp pomel and a spiked endcap they are extremely good multipurpose tools

[pale hill]

how do you send pictures in this channel if attachments arent allowed?

[old kindle]

Reach level 2 in the discord, visit the stat-rank-check channel towards the bottom of the list to check your progress

[old kindle]

Helmet bug ruined my perfect photo 😢

[willow atlas]

Rondel has the funny capacity that can be resumed as : ignoring chainmail

[gentle hinge]

I really like the 4 prong spike front and axe head on the back. Good combo, bash with the forward swing, hook and cut the unarmored limbs on the back swing

[waxen rivet]

Exactly

Designed to pierce it

[jagged barn]

my awesome wizard fit with 3 spells

[grizzled anvil]

THERES WIZARD MODS NOW?

[lunar heron]

turtle

[willow prism]

So this is what the books were for

[silk swan]

I beat the baron like this btw

[old kindle]

This thing is the destroyer of helms and anything armored. well balance and pierces through breastplates and helms like butter, Brass for the metal

[bright kelp]

Raven beak makes the game easy lol, the lord tourney is just a field of helmets on the ground at the end

[violet niche]

I've reached 98kg, I wonder if there's a cap

[willow prism]

Techincally cap is supposed to be 93kgs but theres some bug that lets bypass it. They shouldnt fix it

[proper pier]

Where did the flat tip falchions go?

[violet niche]

I've noticed a slow growth the more I play with this character for the past few days, but I'm not aware of that bug or how it works exactly. But yes, I do agree, it should let us grow our character more or at least make the cap higher than 93kg

[torn summit]

Let William fullsword be theoretically possible

[quartz bluff]

is this game even possible to beat without immunity

took like 30 mins to kill one fucking zombie

sword hits it but no APPEARLY i can only hit someone from one direction

[manic folio]

Yes

Very

[crystal plinth]

not a bug, there's just a soft cap and then it becomes significantly slower to build mass past it

[willow prism]

so whats the hard cap?

at max height

[crystal plinth]

idk if theres a hard cap, there might not even be because the mass gain past the soft cap is so slow

mass is actually a value between 0 to 1 and i think its used as some multiplier for the mass you see in-game

1 mass = 93 kg at max height in-game

[willow prism]

im aware

but if theres no cap that means we can become migget hulk with enough effort

unless it slows down exponentially or something

[crystal plinth]

has anyone figured out how exactly mass is gained

its per fight right

[vivid ravine]

Pretty sure it is a bug though because no one got past 93kg until they pushed the hotfix that solved the no strength gain bug

[crystal plinth]

there's vambraces thats better than the baron's which is kinda annoying

[haughty epoch]

This is what I do as well

I use the hook instead tho

Also 1.8kg flat

[trail crane]

anybody know how to get armor on your legs like the cuissess

[vivid ravine]

You need an arming doublet without chains. If you get one with chains you can remove them at the armoursmith

[old kindle]

The hook is wicked, the only reason i stopped using it is because it has a tendency to randomly catch on my goblets

[winter path]

do u guys think Baron's beak would actually survive a tournament without snapping or bending the beak

[haughty epoch]

Aah I can get that for sure

[trail crane]

it still wont let me use it though

idk why

[vivid ravine]

Are your hosen the ones with the boot looking things?

[old kindle]

Post a sc of your character in the equipment menu in the photography channel

[winter path]

U can't have trouser

I think

[trail crane]

no

[vivid ravine]

interesting

[trail crane]

its not locked

it just has something blocking it maybe

[vivid ravine]

I cant think of any other limitations

[trail crane]

im gonna try to take everything off firs

t

[vivid ravine]

Do you have poleyn on?

[trail crane]

idk

im gonna take everything off

[vivid ravine]

knee armour

[trail crane]

yeah i had a poleyn

oh my god

i feel dumb

thanks

[vivid ravine]

I forgot about poleyn tbh. Im glad we got there in the end lol

[trail crane]

yup

thanks

[vivid ravine]

no problem

[old kindle]

Been there done that

[night ridge]

love this fit

this weapon looks ridiculous in the character window

[neat sparrow]

Oh i saw that

@velvet hearth yo we got a person named @dire jetty they got hacked

execute them

or any of the mods

[velvet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-up-mafia-thats-how-it-works-the-godfather-gif-4653709131293521964

[neat sparrow]

Thank you god father

https://tenor.com/view/god-father-generosity-deserve-gif-14015070

[night ridge]

already sent this in bug reports but it's very frustrating

[gritty gust]

bigass fucking poleaxe

[tight bobcat]

Wow, it's Paul Axe

[buoyant panther]

Paul's Arm

[reef trout]

st george gaming

[willow prism]

Troll flail

[zealous plover]

How tf u achieve this lol

[novel cave]

i want this but with the frying pan from the cellar on the end

[digital relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1313926166314221578.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=zombieEating&lossless=true

[vivid ravine]

Half pan

[paper nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-gordon-ramsay-hells-kitchen-kitchen-nightmares-gif-8704041480930963794

[dark sky]

Valet D' Armes i think?

[coarse crown]

why do chains not let you equip cuisses

[vivid ravine]

I think you can equip them with chains but i didnt read the message correctly the first time so it got my fast response for spaulders and stuff

[coarse crown]

dosent let you equip them with a jack with chains and without chains even if its the same as arm doublet

[pseudo patrol]

"HYA, TAKE THIS YOU RABSCALLIAN!"

[candid oracle]

Armor mod request

[vivid ravine]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1315732845666238484

[candid oracle]

Its a joke

[opaque bone]

uncharted 4 ranked rewards

[fringe dawn]

Bascinet with the brim

[foggy storm]

half pan indeed

[reef trout]

wtf is modlord

[foggy storm]

pro modder 🔥

[reef trout]

[tall meteor]

i love collecting the different tabard colors

[reef trout]

ive insured all armour possible (i think)

i just need tabards now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728704992449527882/1471967418376261743/kinstrifegifREJOICE.gif

[tall meteor]

i got some of the other colors too but i dont really Feel like going through and screenshotting my new ones

i got all the greens and all the blues now tho

[tall meteor]

just got this really nice raspberry red one

[cedar mountain]

shut up

[willow atlas]

Mama i threw up

[tall meteor]

kinda swag

[cold fjord]

Does anyone know a good ratio for pole axes?

[keen geyser]

Tabards with different heraldry will be really cool

[cobalt portal]

The balance being closer to the hilt, the better.

[reef trout]

north german

[empty chasm]

is there a confirmed best amor material? I noticed they have different textures and was wandering

[vivid ravine]

I think coverage is more important but i may be wrong

[mint swallow]

just cosmetic

i dont believe there is a difference between blued, blackened, or gilded armor besides the appearance

[uncut oasis]

Weight, the gilded armor is lighter for some reason

[mint iris]

is it just me or does chainmail always clip through at the arms?

[willow atlas]

Arms and a bit of the back

[north patio]

What are the most expensive swords to sell to the traitor

Trying to find what to pick up best to earn money

[balmy inlet]

One question guys, the update of the messer hilt makes reference to Landskencht Emporium accusing them of stealing their model?

[vivid ravine]

@balmy inlet ^

[balmy inlet]

Thank you. Changing a historical hilt just because someone also makes money out of a historical hilt it's crazy, for me

[tight bobcat]

what hilt was it ?

are landsknecht emporium out of their damn mind

[balmy inlet]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DUkbCkjCiWa/?img_index=1

[mint swallow]

why would the devs have to change what i assume is a historical hilt lmao, i don’t think you can copyright a historical hilt design

[balmy inlet]

I love their swords, but saying that the model is from their own is just nonsense

[balmy inlet]

agree

[manic folio]

Why is so much of LE’s instagram content sexual

[balmy inlet]

I'd rather not answer that because that photos are amazing for me, but I guess that marketing can work in different ways

[manic folio]

I was just surprised when I opened up their account

[tight bobcat]

apparently that hilt was actually designed by LE using multiple as inspiration, they also apparently put some "copyright catch" designs in it

Imo ?

Pissbabies

BUT

If it's not historical then i'm glad it's out

[mint swallow]

Incredibly petty either way

[balmy inlet]

imagine me, the last pic of the woman jumped on my phone while on the doctor

[manic folio]

Dude I’m out in public at college right now, I nearly dropped my phone

[cedar hamlet]

Why my mass keeps changing after every fight its really frustrating and it doesnt seem to climb because of it keeps dropping from 95 to 81 constantly

[balmy inlet]

its a trap image XD

[cedar hamlet]

Is there a fix for this or do i have to open inventory after every fight?

[odd sonnet]

its a bug but ur mass is the same i think

[cedar hamlet]

Its not my dude looks smaller and my swings are weak

[odd sonnet]

waterweight

[cedar hamlet]

And i keep falling over

[balmy inlet]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ms._KK5012_19v.jpg

know they have to cry because Peter Falkner stole it 500 years ago

[tight bobcat]

Well yeah but there's probably some wiggleroom between a potential dev's interpretation and current L.E. interpretation

[old pollen]

the comments are even worse

talking about IP thieves 😂

[balmy inlet]

yeah. ppl can't appropiate of a design that existed 5 centuries before them, even worse if it's just the hilt.

[tight bobcat]

That i agree

they should remove the L.E. one from the game and remake it completely from scratch using the MS above as a source (it will look 95% similar to LE one)

[balmy inlet]

They could have said that they took this author (for instance) as a source and LE would have no argument against that. It's just the same. What a weird world we live in.

[balmy inlet]

Thats not the image I sent.

[old pollen]

I know

its even closer though

main difference is metal on it instead of wood, but turning metal into wood doesnt make it a diff design

[old pollen]

they said they added specific identifiers to it that are different from any extant sources so they can spot what makes it "theirs". in other news, they will not be sharing what those identifiers are or what exactly makes it special

[fluid cove]

genuinely glad they removed it

[old pollen]

its better for them to because le said they would go legally, but its still odd

[fluid cove]

yeah atp it's not even worth the hustle despite how fancy it was

maybe later they'll add one purely from manuscripts and not cross reference from reconstructions that have a single detail that makes you an evil person and liable for a legal battle

[old pollen]

truth

just make it on the leckuchner one or paulus kal, its the same shape but is either partially metal like seen in the pic above, or fully metal in kal

[fluid cove]

save it for later though, don't want these worms crawling back to these guys again for a little while though lol.

[manic folio]

They know the devs made bank on the EA release and want a bit of the money

[north patio]

Is this effective

[manic folio]

Yeah

[north patio]

It's been working but I can't use armor in my arms.

[vivid ravine]

You need an arming doublet without the chains. If that is a arming doublet in the pic remove them at an armoursmith

[north patio]

I have a long arming doublet but it wouldn't let me either.
I'm wearing a set of chains but they are separate from doublet

[vivid ravine]

Are you sure its an "arming doublet" and not just a "doublet"?

[north patio]

Sure I can send a pic shortly. It's a bit longer

[wise dawn]

is the baron's armor gilded or made out of gold

[violet niche]

Gold most probably

[tight bobcat]

Gilded

[tight bobcat]

Solid gold armor would be terrible, it's gilded

[wise dawn]

its covered in his enemies piss from seeing him

[violet niche]

Wasn't sure tbh but yeah, that would be extremely heavy indeed

[abstract flame]

copyright laws depending on your country can be so damn vague and stupid that you could deadass recreate a historical sword, 1to1 from a manuscript and fucking copyright it

to where no one else can use it BUT you

there is some countries that allow you to copyright AI art lmfao

idk if they are vague for a purpose, or rly the people who made copyright laws didn't understand how things would progress and how petty humans can get

[tacit basin]

i believe its gold

it isnt the same color as gilded

and the gold material is the same color as his armor

weight is capped at 93kg and likely its just cosmetic i dont think theres an armor difference really between the baron and normal armor

[north patio]

Add one of the shields like I did

[night ridge]

i don't think it could be gold because several of his armor pieces are lighter than their plain steel counterparts

gold is far heavier than steel

[tacit basin]

hmm

perhaps it is gilded

but it has tghe gold color

thats weird

[night ridge]

i mean gilded does mean coated in gold

[tight bobcat]

No, it's gilded

you just can't make solid gold armor

it's literally steel with gold chemically bonded to it

[tacit basin]

theres... gold material in the decorative metals

and gilded

so im talking about those

i dont care if its not actually fully gold but theres decorative metals in this game that have different weights and arent actually decorative

gold weighs the most
gilded weighs the least

both are expenjsive and are unlocked late

[tight bobcat]

?

[short timber]

dw i was just recreating the demo militia boss outfit

[tacit basin]

EA has a crafting weapon option and decorative metals is an option
that makes some parts of your weapon gold
on poleaxes it makes the guard and the pommel gold and it weighs the most and appears to be fully gold because theres also a gilded option

[tight bobcat]

Yeah no that can't be gold

do you know what gilded means

bronze could be used "solid" ngl

[tacit basin]

Thats what the OPTION SAYS INGAME. I'm talking about whether it is the "GOLD" DECORATIVE METAL. Or, the GILDED DECORATIVE METAL.

im using capitalization to emphasize this

[tight bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1473100677323428050/1473107103810846843/200_4.gif

[tacit basin]

if you havent played EA long enough i get that but thats what im talking about

[short timber]

soldier boss outfit

the doublet is white tho because cannot change the color

the rest is the same

[north patio]

Ohho see

[north patio]

He is the baron of the kettle

[cursive dune]

anybody know if there is a black cuirass/breastplate?

[willow prism]

There ia no black chestpiece

[cursive dune]

aw man. thanks

[topaz fractal]

щ

[mint iris]

solid gold armour wouldnt work

gold is way too soft

[fallen glen]

Eithee gilded or just gold coated but usually a baron wouldnt have a fully gilded or gold coated corrazina (unless frankenburg is a very rich merchant town or a famous trade spot 🤓)

[glad moon]

Everyone ignoring this hurts me heart

That's hilarious

[formal moss]

and heavy

and expensive

[mint iris]

elden ring guy?

[coarse crown]

price is the least of your worries about it

[mint iris]

price is half the reason why people like gold so much

if gold was as strong as steel some rich men would definitely wear it out to battle

[wintry flint]

lol they did just not as full plates, they would just gild them with it for artistic taste:

i cant post the pics of them but yea

but yea if it was as strong as steel then they def wouldve made full plates of it

[tacit basin]

Uhh did you even read

This is about EA which has a gold material in the crafting option and a gilded material in the crafting option for decorative metals, but they aren’t actually decorative because they have different weights

I’m talking about whether the barons armor is the gilded decorative metals or the gold decorative metal

Of course when trying to be right all the time people do not read

[tacit basin]

^^

[mint iris]

https://tenor.com/view/my-fault-my-fault-bruh-fault-mb-my-bad-gif-10924702501847497120

[honest knoll]

He could solo the baron if the headgear wasnt chained to the cellar

[celest forge]

kinda lame that they give us the black vambraces, cuisses (not sure I spelled that right), bevor, and half gauntlets, but not the rest of it. GIVE ME THE BLACK KNIGHT DRIP!!!

[willow prism]

my theory on this is that they dont want pallette swaps like we had in the demo cause they plan on letting us blacken armor at the tavern.

so we might get both the black knight and the og baron drip soon

[vivid ravine]

Ivan thought they were in the game so i imagine its just an issue with the implementation

[willow prism]

i mean if it was that simple it prolly would have been fixed by now no?

[vivid ravine]

Maybe but they do have larger problems so it may just be overlooked currently

[tranquil veldt]

fitcheck, just tried out this poleaxe head for the first time and its so fun

[golden quiver]

Do show the build during crafting!

[willow atlas]

das my feat

[plain silo]

Realistically what is the physics behind “blunt dmg” vs “slashing/thrusting dmg”? Is it that plate armors are designed with certain rounded surface, making it slippery. Therefore slashing/thrusting atk’s force direction is no longer normal to its acting surface, thus reducing the overall impact as direction is no longer normal. Blunt dmg though, since the forcing acting area is greater, given the current “rounded surface”, is less slippery, thus more impact?

[glad lodge]

Not educated on the subject but I feel the rounding is more helpful with general ergonomics and redirecting arrows, like sloped tank armor. Not sure how much of an effect it realistically has on the direction of force with melee weapons

[gritty fossil]

ur mostly right about this. as armor improved, armor, specifically helmet (easiest example) developed less flat surfaces and utilized sloped angles to glance enemy blows. However, blunt weapons dont exactly always have a larger acting area as we see with warpicks but it doesnt require the edge allignment and technique a sword does, not that a sword would do much to a helmet anyways

[plain silo]

I personally think the blunt weapons are overestimated. Full plate armor should almost be effective as shields. So if a shield could block blunt atks, why can’t plate armor

[north patio]

Take a mace to the arm with a shield.

U might absorb a couple blows but it'll take a toll.

Slashing and thrusting focus the mass of an object to a smaller point. Tbh if u get hit by a sword wearing armor you'll feel it still.

Concentration of force

[fading wyvern]

unlike a shield, a blunt weapon crushes your armor into your body

[north patio]

Force=mass x acceleration
Math basically at play here

[north patio]

This as well. The armor doesn't even have to concave enough to make contact with the soft tissue for concussive force to transfer.

[plain silo]

We are in 3D world so we need vectors instead of just merely scalars

[north patio]

Wym?

[tight bobcat]

historical discussion in armory type shit

[north patio]

I know what vectors and scalars are just what r u meaning in halfsword

[tight bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164082942109290676/1472678576770777259/michael_cuirass.gif

[plain silo]

Direction of force.

[tight bobcat]

look at this

[north patio]

Yes

Vector

Half sword doesn't acct for it?

[plain silo]

I do not think they have a identical computation like real world

[north patio]

This is nice.

[tight bobcat]

no it's a cuirass

nice is a city in south east france

[north patio]

I redact my compliment

[fading wyvern]

why is it green

[tight bobcat]

covered breastplate

with velvet

(fancy and awesome)

[north patio]

So strikes from above moving downward don't increase velocity n such?

If I weight 5 and accelerate at 10 I'm producing 50 force.

[plain silo]

It is more discrete I bet. You only got something like blunt/not blunt. If it is blunt then it is automatically more effective against armor. So this thing here is way more effective against armors.

In reality they should be as shitty as greatswords when slashing against armors.

[tight bobcat]

Actually sharp swords are more effective at transfering "blunt force" than blunt ones

(or dull)

[north patio]

But will it maintain an edge

[tight bobcat]

But either way bashing armor senselessly expecting to do anything is dumb

[plain silo]

Well. The thing is that the feders here hits literally like hammers/mace against plate armors lol

[tight bobcat]

historically that's how you will get killed 95% of the time

[tight bobcat]

no

feders are training swords

one handed hammers and maces (on foot) weren't THAT good against plate armor

[plain silo]

I just duel wield the feder and start spamming atks. The plate armor knights got knocked back and forth

[tight bobcat]

regardless of what pop culture tells you

[plain silo]

Wdym pop culture. I am talking about the game

[tight bobcat]

ah I thought yall were discussing about historical precedents

[plain silo]

Well I meant reality vs in game

[plain silo]

Bro force could be identical but the impact of the atk depends on more than just the scalar size right?

Otherwise why is it considered as cheating by wearing hardened gloves during boxing match

[north patio]

Maybe joules and newtons

Heavy hits harder. Solid transfers more force

[neat monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071919803381583904/1474230797140627466/2026-2-19_18h14min50s_1920x1080.png?ex=699917eb&is=6997c66b&hm=7fea6c4518aa56c9fc310781ed89ece9ae55de94dd9148f4da7c2b5770868f91& theres a bug where you can custom force your forged weapons by making a giant sword or something else that can be made very heavy and then transfer over to something like the pole axe for a weapon, truly made for the giants.

which means, even with a modified save file, im struggling to keep a true giants poleaxe in my hands.

its truly breath taking having a poleaxe three willies tall.

[plain silo]

On the other hand, if the goal is to crush armor into human body it depends more on the force acting at the normal vector of the surface at points it is acting right?

[neat monolith]

probably, i just aim for the biggest, greatest weapon i can manage.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071919803381583904/1474231978805956710/2026-2-19_18h20min30s_1920x1080.png?ex=69991905&is=6997c785&hm=0e94dcaa284323d10ba0ba85428187071763e83c56793f7e88efa0fe7ce43cad& a top down of the great pole axe.

[north patio]

Normal meaning 90°?

[plain silo]

Yeah? Normal vector of a surface seems really fundamental right

[north patio]

Don't we have to understand force first before we can then multiply by the vector to predict energy transfer

[plain silo]

It seems you do understand force?

[north patio]

Well it gives us a constant to work at when there are tons of variables. 89° and 91° change transfer of energy

As well as the angle of the armor, causing more offset and such

[plain silo]

And I think that is why if there is anything different between blunt vs slash

[north patio]

Maybe not as much as other ppl tbh. There are likely more well versed individuals in the matter

[north patio]

Is or isn't?? I'm sorry

[reef trout]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-its-peak-its-way-too-peak-its-honestly-more-than-peak-meme-gif-14944785001351870503

[plain silo]

I mean it is. Slash are way less likely to be normal to the armor. And the rounded surface punish the effectiveness of such attack

[north patio]

We can actually attempt to find the speed of a swing in game recording time it takes for the weapon from move from point a to point b

[cedar spruce]

Does anyone know how to easily accquire the pieces of the blue/black or dull grey armours? I've been trying to take them off enemies but I never find cuirasses

[north patio]

Yes the transfer of energy defects quite a bit

[north patio]

Hire a Merc who has em. Let them die

Question your souls worth after

[plain silo]

Why care so much about the force. F=ma^2 is so ez and the difference between blunt vs slash should have nothing to do with it

[cedar spruce]

I can't find any who have the cuirasses 😢

[fading wyvern]

question is WHAT IS THE SPAWN CHANCE FOR THE BLUE STEEL CUIRASSES TO SPAWN IS

[north patio]

These are your options

[north patio]

This question I have not the answer to. Let us find out together

How many cuirasses are there

Then how many different options for upper body are there.

[fading wyvern]

does it even FUCKING exist is anothr question

[north patio]

I forget the exact way to find our odds but I can look it up and remember

[north patio]

This is a question for someone who can read code

[cedar spruce]

I've seen it

[north patio]

Isn't force a part of what we need to know?

[cedar spruce]

Plus it was in the previous version and I can't see why they'd remove it

[north patio]

Spawn it in in the older version.

Then read the code for what armor it is,

[fading wyvern]

where

[fading wyvern]

i know that part

[cedar spruce]

On an enemy in a forest buhurt match

I desperately wish I had taken it off him at the time

But I figured I wasn't gonna use it and didn't know how insanely rare it apparently is at the time

[lofty trout]

WAIT HOW

[plain silo]

No? Do you hit with more force just because you r using blunt weapon vs blades?

[plain silo]

It is the same person with same muscle group.

[north patio]

I think I'm just not versed enough In this to answer.

Google was more informative than I could be

[north patio]

According to Google. Yes

Due to the concentration of force, location of weight and transfer of energy where the sword will absorb it since the weight is concentrated along the blade, where the mace is concentrated on a single point, the head.

I thought a sword had more concentrated force but according to this it distributes it along the blade where a mace is actually what concentrates the force

[cedar spruce]

I mean yeah, with a mace the weight is all at the head because that's where the largest concentration of dense material (Metal) is

With a sword the weigh can be more concentrated if you're stabbing because then all the weight of the blade and the force you're putting into it is behind the point

But it's hard to generate as much force with a stab, and you'll transfer less energy to whatever you hit

[north patio]

Tell the other feller. He was asking questions in this regard

[cedar spruce]

He can read my messages if he wants lmao

[north patio]

Yes lol

[dire vector]

I was really hoping that'd add all the bassinets n stuff

[plain silo]

I disagree regarding your concentration argument. Consider the thrusting of greatsword tip against the plate armor

Thrust are effective only because you can go into the gap. But if you just aim in the middle of a chest armor I do not think it does too much

[plain silo]

What do you mean generating less force with stab. You still meant atk type gives different force?

[cedar spruce]

I mean that it is physically harder to generate as much force behind a stab because of the way your arms work, you can swing much father side to side than you can stab forward

IRL you can throw your weight behind the stab to apply more force, but that doesn't apply in half sword

[plain silo]

And in case you wanna say the top of the blade is “lighter”. Given that it is the same person. As long as same muscle group being involved, it shouldn’t matter too much just because something is lighter or not. Because with lighter things you generate way greater acceleration and eventually the force won’t be that much different

[plain silo]

Sorry what do you even mean by “concentration” of force

[cedar spruce]

Okay, think of it this way

[plain silo]

I mean you can take those round dagger to stab effectively right? If you stab right at the chest armor piece you think it is gonna be as effective as blunt weapon?

[cedar spruce]

Do you understand the idea that you are more likely to fall through ice standing on it, vs laying down?

[plain silo]

Which is why I refereed to armor and its normal vector

Since the beginning

[cedar spruce]

This is because less force is transfered

[plain silo]

Where is your concentration of force and how did you define rigorously by “concentration of force”?

[cedar spruce]

Sure, all the force of the dagger is going to be concentrated on the tip if you stab, but because it weighs less and is going slower, there will be less force transferred and thus less damage and penetration

[plain silo]

Force doesn’t ‘concentrate’ because weight is at the head. Impact force depends on momentum change and contact time. If two weapons strike with the same momentum and contact duration, the average force is the same. What differs is contact area (stress), stiffness, and geometry — which affect penetration, glancing, and energy transfer efficiency. The blade doesn’t ‘spread force along itself into the target’; impact is local at the contact patch

[cedar spruce]

You just explained the same concept twice with different wording my dude, the thing is that you're gonna make contact with more area and have less momentum with something like a sword vs a heavy blunt weapon like a warhammer or a mace

[plain silo]

You’re conflating three different variables: momentum/impulse, contact area (stress), and weapon type.
1. “Sword makes contact with more area” isn’t generally true. A sword can contact with a large patch if it’s flat-on, but a cut is closer to line contact, and a thrust is point contact. Conversely a mace can have a broad face, or it can be flanged/peened/pointed with very small area. So “sword = more area” and “blunt = less area” is not a rule.
2. “Sword has less momentum” also isn’t a rule; momentum is p=m v. Even if a mace has larger m, the sword can have larger v, and in many situations the momenta can be comparable. Without specifying swing speed and effective mass, you can’t conclude which has more momentum.

The correct statement is: damage/penetration depends on impulse (Δp), contact time, and local stress F/A plus geometry (glancing vs biting). “Concentration of force” isn’t a fundamental concept here—if you mean stress, say stress.

[cedar spruce]

Like, exactly what are you trying to argue is my question

[plain silo]

Arguing your explanation has logical error?

[fervent arch]

do you guys know if the baron has his own special rondel dagger because I want to get it but idk if its different

[plain silo]

And actually. So many errors

[cedar spruce]

Oh i'm sorry for not using the correct scientific language my lord, I am simply a wee peasant who hath only light schooling

[plain silo]

And in fact, might be entirely wrong because of those flaws

[cedar spruce]

Also, if you hit someone with a sword on armour, it's not going to cut and will twist, thus making contact with more of the surface

[plain silo]

Sure? You got a statement and I disagree. And here is my counter argument. I wonder if that is a part of the discussion

[cedar spruce]

Are you just like, arguing for the sake of arguing, cause we aren't saying anything different, you're just being pedantic about my wording

What is the point you were actually questioning with the other folks earlier

[plain silo]

I am sorry. Is it so rare that people will have different opinions and come up with their own explanations? Also I am pretty sure I am saying a lot of different stuff. How in the world could you assume “sword contact with more area”? You call this pedantic your wording?

[cedar spruce]

It's going to make contact with more area of the plate over a wider distance, and if it twists in the users grip after making contact, more and more of the surface area is going to make contact with the plate

Thus, more contact area

[plain silo]

Bro. Total swept area is not equal to contact area at a given instant

[cedar spruce]

Again, what is your actual point, are you saying swords should be more effective against plate than blunt weapons?

[strange kettle]

You know really a gun is the most effective against armor

[cedar spruce]

When are they gonna add the 1411 to the game :(

[plain silo]

unless the normal force is huge and friction is huge, the extra energy from sweeping is small compared to a solid normal impact. Any I think we should assume that the surface of the armor is so smooth that sliding like several cm isn’t that much

[plain silo]

Where does that come from?

[strange kettle]

Blunt weapons are intended to shake up the person in armor

A long sword against armor is more effective to poke at gaps

Or to throw the opponent down

[cedar spruce]

Can you answer my question so we can be on the same page?

What exactly are you trying to argue

[plain silo]

You should be the one answering my question. Where does that sword being more effective statement come from?

[cedar spruce]

I'm noth saying that's what you're arguing, nor am I saying that's the truth

I'm asking you simply, what exactly you are trying to argue

[plain silo]

Your explanation regarding the effectiveness of blunt atk against armor seems incorrect

[strange kettle]

Seems incorrect

Seeming incorrect ≠ being incorrect

I think you should both do research to see who's right

Or we could suit you both up in armor give one of you a mace and the other a sword and see who wins

[plain silo]

It is just a polite way of saying things. And I did come up with my reasoning paired with ez physics fact as counter argument

[cedar spruce]

I mean, I'm not arguing with you, I never said you were wrong

I'm trying to figure out what your point is

And the fact that you won't tell me makes me think you're just generally looking for something to argue about

[plain silo]

Ok so you cannot see that I am counter arguing your reasoning unless I told you I am

[cedar spruce]

Okay man, you have fun looking for that argument, I hope you find a good one

[strange kettle]

What even are the arguments here

[cedar spruce]

I'm not making any lmao

And I'm trying to find out that same question

[plain silo]

And you still do not know that I disagree with your reasoning and coming up with counter arguments?

[cedar spruce]

I'm not reasoning anything my dude

All I said was "Sword hurt plate armour less than blunt weapons" to someone else like an hour ago and you're looking for reasons to say I'm incorrect somehow

Seriously, enjoy finding your argument man

I am not interested

[plain silo]

You got a statement. And a proof of you statement. I said your proof is wrong. Can u see the difference?

[cedar spruce]

Speaking of, I have killed like 100 dudes looking for these armour variants and not found anything

[limpid night]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[cedar spruce]

I can find hundreds of the sleeves and cuisses but no cuirass or helmet

I've found the bevor as well

And gloves

I swear I've seen the blue cuirass before but I cannot find it

[willow prism]

Theres no blue cuirass