references♥_1450-1470

[robust tendon]

Nice brig

[terse bronze]

Fun fact, I've fucked a girl who know this guy and his gf

france is small

He's part of the same group (iicr) as that one guy with an italianate kit with plate voiders

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055560006407303188/1277183314217668608/An-ymiHPgep77ImBB6iQWdQfqR7RWILWMrK8cmy1oYQmjPBN_VIBTtc3qGSZeOoowlbJPxWC0koOk0z9xdbV2b98.mp4?ex=6981b227&is=698060a7&hm=a93944ab15bd66922c25e87e2c1a16f079402b9948323981d3a03b9598e84f3d&

[void stream]

Now this is a specific detail

1453-1460

[verbal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/now-you-know-the-more-you-know-no-kidding-no-shit-obviously-gif-1342210079425559607

[rain oar]

Please add a wrapper for armets other than the baron one so that we can use armet's without risking a stab in the neck 🙏

[terse bronze]

so true

[restive geyser]

Can't wait for fringe hoods

[coral path]

Interesting

[quaint shore]

Thanks

Kevlar

[terse bronze]

Subscribe for more

[void stream]

Smash that subscribe button

[lone topaz]

smash french women to get into contact with reenactors apparently

[scenic breach]

i think that specific type is a franzen gugel not 100% sure tho

[bright token]

I wish this armet would show up in the game but it’s too early 😭

I like its full visor

[vivid solar]

I really want this close helm but iirc turner dates it to circa 1510. Based on one that is in the Royal Armouries reserve collection.

[heady oar]

I hope they add ways to change time periods and stuff

I’d like to see older things in the game or newer

But tbh older stuf would just be chainmail

[bright token]

I’d love to see corrazina

[vivid solar]

not true

first half of the 15th century and late 14th century all had developed plate

[robust tendon]

more so mid 14th as well, they had a good deal of early plate in the forms of pairs of plates, greaves, etc

some early arm harness here and there iirc

[vivid solar]

c.1415

[terse bronze]

I wish I could kill the word "chainmail"

[robust tendon]

kill the term platemail too

[terse bronze]

Scalemail

[heady oar]

Wait else am I gon call it sum metal hoops tied together against thus body

[terse bronze]

Maille

[robust tendon]

maille, mail

[terse bronze]

Haubergeon..

Just hate the fact that Victorians though that "mail" means "armor"

[robust tendon]

i hate a lot of things they did

[terse bronze]

So platemail just meant "plate armor" to them

Grrrrr

Curse of Ra on them

[quaint shore]

I thought platemail referred to an eastern type of maille

where it was bits of plate connected to mail

like studs of plate i think

[robust tendon]

that would be a more accurate way to use the term

[terse bronze]

I've heard plated maille thrown around aswell, basically the same thing but Crécy is right

[quaint shore]

ok ok

cause i always associated platemail with that

[lethal adder]

i just wanna see arming jackets with voiders really

[vivid solar]

What do you call scalemail

[lethal adder]

lorica scumata

[terse bronze]

Scale

[vivid solar]

Alr

[robust tendon]

tru

also maille bevors

[vivid solar]

??

[robust tendon]

what

[robust tendon]

its just these

[lethal adder]

what would also be nice is the ability to have the armor smith craft armor for you rather than just hoping to see the pieces you want show up in the trader or having to strip them off of your enemies. maybe have the option for it locked until you reach the man-at-arms tier or smthn

[bright token]

beautiful

[coral path]

I really like the pattern of maille on this one

[bright token]

as someone who draw brigandine oftenly i can say the 'leeds style' brigandine is a pain in the butt to draw

even though i love it xD

[robust tendon]

i think some of the rings are denser? idk

like this i think

[bright token]

more brigandine

[robust tendon]

one on the left is shaped very nice

[bright token]

Yeah 😄

Also I saved this for drawing, probably made by the same armourer who made the brigandines that Mordschlag just shared

[coral path]

Looks like something A.S.H. would do

[pure creek]

W armor

[fluid kelp]

HANDGONNE SPOTTED

[fluid kelp]

wouldn't milanese brigs better match the rest of the cuirass roster the game has?

[bright token]

Probably but i just like the blue brigandines i sent lol

[fluid kelp]

boomz lol

also being able to choose brigandine colour at an armorsmith would be sick

[wheat sierra]

💯

[robust tendon]

one on the right is too early for the game

[fluid kelp]

rly? i thought those were like 1410's?

[coral path]

That's why it doesn't fit the game

[fluid kelp]

thers gear in the game that's definitely a few decades before the 1450's tho

[coral path]

There's a 10 year flexibility iirc (1440-1480)

[fluid kelp]

some of the polearms are pre 15th century tho

[terse bronze]

like?

[fluid kelp]

alot of the halbard-voulge-bardice-whatever you want to call it are from like the 1390's

[terse bronze]

Halberd, and this design was still used in the game's timeframe

[fluid kelp]

the milanese brig was used up until around the mid 1400's from what i'm reading

[terse bronze]

wtf is a milanese brig

brigandines made in milan were used in the 1450-70s timeframe

[fluid kelp]

brigandine

[terse bronze]

but they're different froms earlier "corrazina"

[fluid kelp]

corrazina were used into the 15th as well tho!

[terse bronze]

EARLY

the game sets in 1475, with accepted references from between 1450s and 1480 max

[fluid kelp]

munic corrazines! they were used up to 1450!

*munich

[terse bronze]

source?

[fluid kelp]

lemme copy and paste the link

wait is that ok to do in this server

[terse bronze]

yes

[fluid kelp]

ok

[terse bronze]

a bit later than the game but you can still see the halberd design

[fluid kelp]

wait the website is in italian now

oh i think you're right it seemslike the 1450 was a typo

it says 1440 at the latest everywhere else on the sight

site

wow i can't spell today

[terse bronze]

1434 but grenadine

[fluid kelp]

but ye i was wrong sorry for so adamantly arguing lol

[terse bronze]

is ok

[fleet junco]

cool hat

[robust tendon]

i think some stuff from 1440s also would work, iirc there is a 1440s cuirass currently

[latent drift]

what one is that

[coral path]

@latent drift

[latent drift]

for some reason i thought that was like 1460s for some reason

[coral path]

I can see that

[restive geyser]

What is this considered? Vouge?

[restive geyser]

Any release date for this or not yet?

[coral path]

Not yet

[restive geyser]

Damn...

[restive geyser]

Not the worst crime honestly

[terse bronze]

yes

[silk sentinel]

knife stick

[terse bronze]

so a vouge

[silk sentinel]

I've heard it both ways

[coral path]

vouge=glaive

[coral path]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1468398605730582733

post some halberds here for fun ig

"Crucifixion Centurion with Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea 1470"

[calm mauve]

what is this?

[coral path]

Dell'arte della guerra mod for bannerlord

[copper patio]

we have to have something like a handgonne or something in the early access at some point soon right? one of the mercenaries in the group is holding one when you hover over them in the tavern

[coral path]

It hasent released yet

[candid rapids]

i know its a faraway dream but something like a small scale battle mode would be so heat in half sword

would have an even better use for the crossbows

[royal niche]

scale would go hard

[terse bronze]

nice references

[vivid solar]

There's a scale cap

[royal niche]

scale male would go hard

[unkempt rampart]

Wildly inaccurate for the period

[lone osprey]

a scale male

[fleet junco]

that ones doing a cartwheel

[lone osprey]

assisted cartwheel

[royal niche]

idk scandinavians were using it for years

[terse bronze]

i'm lost

[royal niche]

scale armpur and platw

plate even

[terse bronze]

Ah

no

[terse bronze]

source?

[unkempt rampart]

Provide evidence

Specifically of it being used between 1450-1470

[royal niche]

its been usred as early as 1400bc

[unkempt rampart]

That’s not what I’m asking

I’m asking was it used during the period the game takes place

[robust tendon]

that doesn’t mean it was used up to the mid to late 15th century

[unkempt rampart]

AFAIK scale maille evolved into aventails and the helmets we see in the game rather than being their own suits

[robust tendon]

there are also scale “tonlets” seen in the late 14th and early 15th ct iirc

[royal niche]

i mean it was used by romans too but the chest pieces were definitely used as late as 1500 iirc so surely it would ve in 1450 let me double check

[robust tendon]

as well as aventails and scale skullcaps, afaik scale skullcaps are the only scale armors that work for the game

[unkempt rampart]

It being used in ancient history doesn’t mean it’s being used in the 1400s

[robust tendon]

The important part is was it used in the region and time period of the game

And i’m like 99% certain it was not

[unkempt rampart]

Just because people wore tricorn hats into combat a long time ago doesn’t mean you’re going to see people sporting them in modern combat

[royal niche]

on the wikki for scale it shows an example from about 1450 it isnt the pretty delicate stuff that the scaves used but it is European scale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_plate_armour

[robust tendon]

wikipedia is not a source

[royal niche]

*mail and plate

[royal niche]

what is it then? scotch mist?

[unkempt rampart]

Wikipedia is not a good source, even then that only is talking about Russia and India

[royal niche]

it says europe tmk later on

https://www.metmuseum.org/essays/the-decoration-of-european-armor

[robust tendon]

it is not very good for this topic at the least

[royal niche]

here's another source that says scaling was used as more decorative but it actually functioned as late as the middle ages

[royal niche]

fair XD i was quoting someone

ngl i have a tad bit of the wartism so i know what i am talking about, it was not used by commonfolk nore those in armies but it was common in eastern europe around the time but was mostly used by romans wayyy before

i know it wasnt common but it was definitely seen as seen in slip plates (i.e. those really basic scales)

*in the wikki

oddly i see here that that was phased out around 1500 (the time of the game) so idk if it would be time period accurate

[unkempt rampart]

Absolutely none of what you have said is valid evidence that scale mail (outside of scale helms seen in the game) would fit the game

[robust tendon]

eastern europe as in ukraine, russia, etc i would guess

which is beyond the scope of the game, the game is centered around western europe eg the HRE, France, England, Iberia, etc

[unkempt rampart]

I thought it was specially southern Germany

[royal niche]

right tbh i thought it was just generic european area or bohemia

[robust tendon]

and the romans or byzantines using it way earlier doesn't mean it was used up until the time period of the game

[royal niche]

aye ofc

tbh i was under the impression it was eastern Europe so the Mongolian empire would have been beginning and starting to reach by then would it not? (i am unfamiliar with mongolia)

but ye like you said idk if it was phased out now you got me doubting myself XD

[royal niche]

see i thought it was closer to chzech with the language used

definitely europe due to the masonry and castle arenas

in fact maybe modern chzech now i think about it with the smaller buildings because if it was germany or england the castles would be huge

i know more about england than any country as i am one of the tea people XD

[vivid solar]

1450-1475*

[unkempt rampart]

Channel name

[terse bronze]

The time of the game is 1450-1475, not 1500

Reminder that 15th century ≠ 1500s

[vivid solar]

Outdated, opening cutscene says the game takes place in 1475

[terse bronze]

The channel name is out of the game's timeframe...

[unkempt rampart]

It’s all been for nothing

[terse bronze]

Could be updated tho

[royal niche]

25 years bruh lmao

[terse bronze]

That's quite a lot

[kindred yew]

how to get your cool role?

im getting close to level 3

then i can unboost and look at my cool red role o-o

[bright token]

great bascinet/close helm by piotrplatener

This is for foot combat isnt it? 😄

[robust tendon]

believe so

[coral path]

Pretty sure its foot combat

[bright token]

i really like its visor

[solid mist]

i was just talking about this with my friends yesterday i would love it so much

[royal wave]

Wasn't this type of helmet meant for jousting/horseback use? I've only seen it portrayed as such in contemporary art (from the half sword adjacent time period)

[ionic berry]

This armor is exactly out of half sword. Great work

I want that weapon. It is beautiful

[unkempt rampart]

That’s not “out of half sword” that’s based on a real historical piece

[ionic berry]

Yes. But it looks like from the game

[royal wave]

Where can you buy these figurines??

[royal wave]

I know which one you have in mind, the one in half sword must be based off of some gothic or alla tedesca piece since it has lots of fluting. Not exactly the same thing

[ionic berry]

Im not saying exactly like from the game. But thanks for explaining

[coral path]

They are not for sale.

They are made by little french armories.

[royal wave]

Damn

[robust tendon]

holy awesome

thats a beautiful harness

love the asymmetrical besagews

[hallow rain]

Absolutely beautiful, wish more people would make armour like this in Australia

[fresh shuttle]

idk if its innappropriate to ask here. but why did armor chest pieces turn into 2 pieces connected with belts? is it for articulation purposes?

[terse bronze]

to protect the belly better, belts were what they started with (one could make the argument that it would be better for articulation) but that also just became a fashion of doing something

[fresh shuttle]

ohh ok

Im planning to reference this channel a bit for my own reasons

[terse bronze]

I imagine you can see the "evolution"

[fresh shuttle]

is this armor between the early and late 15th century?

[terse bronze]

no between late 14th and early 15th

[fresh shuttle]

oh i see!

I think I prefer the 14th century ones to some extent

[terse bronze]

No to say that both didn't coexist btw

[fresh shuttle]

I do think both are interesting tho!

oh well yeah

one seems much easier to produce

thank you for the info!

[terse bronze]

they definitely did especially in the early years but then as the 15h century progressed those kind of singular breastplates kinda just weren't used by many people but some infantrymen here and there (obviously in relatively different designs maybe but essentially still the same thing)

[fresh shuttle]

I want to make a world setting that takes rough anachronistic inspirations from 1360-1510 ish

which is a pretty big time span

[prisma raven]

Stained-glass windows from Bern cathedral, 1447.

[verbal bramble]

Kevlar has answered this already, but I also wish to add that, another benefit that it had is that, in the case of a few examples of chestplates made of two pieces riveted together (as is the case in most german cuirasses), this can also provide more mobility if the river holding the plackart and the upper chestplate is a sliding rivet (the rivet has a slot it can move in one direction), without sacrificing protection. This does not apply to all chestplates assembled this way, but only to those who have a sliding rivet like ref_arm_3626.

[fresh shuttle]

i see! I think

[verbal bramble]

Many, if not most chestplates with this type of construction, do NOT have this sliding rivet, as is the case of ref_arm_3695 of the Matthias Goll thesis

For reference, this is how ref_arm_3695 it looks like from the outside

[fresh shuttle]

i see!

i like the clamshell looking ones

[verbal bramble]

Clamshell? Do you mean the fluting (lines hammered into the metal) or...?

[fresh shuttle]

yeah kinda

the grete champion card has one, and my character wears it in game

[verbal bramble]

This is the outside of ref_arm_3626

[verbal bramble]

Hmm...- Oh- That might be a combination of fluting and cusping

[fresh shuttle]

i see

[verbal bramble]

I am not exactly sure where that motif comes from, but I do know that motifs like that help identify the style of armor, which is tied to the region

[fleet junco]

and then 500 splinters from his lance went into his head

[terse bronze]

that type of gb would be for buhurt with swords or wooden maces not lance jousting

[haughty creek]

It isn’t that helmet for a mounted melee, not a joust

Oh wait, that was already said, I’m stupid

[fluid kelp]

that gives a nice optical illusion of being the front side lol

[fleet junco]

i thought jousting was mounted melee

[haughty creek]

With lances, mounted melee in a tournament context implies tourney clubs

[onyx maple]

In future you should make a Japanese sword fighting game they had a wide selection of weapons and armor and also a middle eastern cause the have fighting arenas in Jordan and I think both scenes be good for Japanese call it long sword and Middle East call it curved sword

[terse bronze]

nice references

[tawny zephyr]

Hey, does anyone have the reference for the sallet in-game with split visor slits? It's really cool and I wanted to read up more on it

[unkempt rampart]

Wrong channel

[frosty harness]

That wouldn’t be smart making the same game, different font

[pseudo light]

Would be better as expansions imo

[coral path]

References

[coral path]

[robust tendon]

doesnt seem to be the best reference

[thorny otter]

Pics by Jan Štábl from Feldlager 2023, Budyně and Panska Bitva

[thorny otter]

Also - Freydal by Taschen is on sale, I can't recommend enough getting the book, and 50 bucks is a steal

https://www.taschen.com/en/books/art/01184/freydal-medieval-games-the-book-of-tournaments-of-emperor-maximilian-i/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21485547526&gbraid=0AAAAAD_u2qOXwIE4JPfwCvQLQBjPEjX5j&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnJHMBhDAARIsABr7b84F1_YW2PJwiMDeX7qBnk9Hwf4wCo53Fcqn9ptKI5z3-n8JNBJJY0AaAk_KEALw_wcB

[lament wolf]

does anyone have good references for how they would use spears in this time period?

https://youtu.be/jmEAy8Isvm8?si=5A6dZWzL5PCY3i_E

this video made me think of Half Sword

[ancient pivot]

don't suppose anyone has any references similar to the cuirass worn by Archangel Michael in Bartolome Bermejo's painting? Mid-15th century Spanish

[lament wolf]

do you have a full picture of the painting

[lament wolf]

splendid

[verbal bramble]

Fiore de'i Liberi died in 1409, so his fencing treatsies are a bit out of period, but most of his fencing stuff still applies, and he is one of the best sources for HEMA: https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi#Spear

[fast pagoda]

also see the gladiatoria and hans talhoffer

[verbal bramble]

Though, Talhoffer does offer very little text, if none at all, Fiore does offer explanations on what he's doing

[lament wolf]

splendid splendid

hope to see these techniques in half sword some day

[terse bronze]

#1447169411185381427

there's some covered breastplates aswell

[ancient pivot]

less so looking for textile coverings, more similarly shaped/styled cuirasses

[onyx maple]

Can we get a controller fix

For ps5 n Xbox

Controllers

Definitely a fix on ps5 controller

[unkempt rampart]

Wrong channel

[solid mist]

bollock dagger when

also it'd be cool to see arming doublets with maille patches at places like the inside of the elbow and armpits

[royal niche]

english longbow mayhaps?

arrow goes through willie

[candid rapids]

would be cool as an upgrade at the armorsmith

[vivid solar]

Holy drip

[terse bronze]

What's wrong with other countries' longbows ?

is the english longbow a mythical weapon

[next orchid]

yes

insomuch as it is, at this point, myth, lol

[terse bronze]

you got it 🥂

[royal niche]

pretty much lmao

[terse bronze]

what's so special about it ?

[royal niche]

twas power iirc#

ooh what would be cool is stamp tools like metalworking but that is just becomming kcd2 XD

[next orchid]

the French are described using "as per the custom of the Britons... a great bow of wood, and large arrows", so they were also using mythical bows

[terse bronze]

the 50 cal of the middle ages

[ancient pivot]

I mean, this quote is pretty counter intuitive to your point lol. Literally says they're using longbows as per the customs of the Britons. Just because other people start using them doesn't mean they aren't English longbows

[coral path]

Gonna do some ballock pointy posting

[next orchid]

it isnt contrary to my point if you understood the context of the author smh

[next orchid]

and they arent "english longbows", but "british longbows"

and this is a stupid point anyways since we literally know that long and powerful bows in Europe predate the English lol

and the fucking French dont "adopt" English bows, its a fucking stone age weapon

the weapon had been in use on the continent since before the english were ever connected to archery

[tawny zephyr]

big bow pointy arrow scary

and because this is a reference channel, check this out

It's amazing how thin some points would get in some historical examples

[terse bronze]

crécy azincourt poitier urrr glorious englishium

[quaint shore]

woops

[restive geyser]

Few are possible to do ingame

A lot of spear fencing is in positions that would honestly

Be a fucking physics nightmare

I would die to have some more unique stances

True cross my beloved

[lament wolf]

buddy

the whole game is a physics nightmare

[restive geyser]

Yeah, you want it 50x worst?

[lament wolf]

I don’t see how wielding a stick fancy like would be more problematic than chains

[restive geyser]

Because in stances like for example true cross, your back is facing the enemy, utilizing the back of your spear in a defensive manner and offensive

Now imagine that in game

Imagine pressing x

[lament wolf]

i’m talking 1 handed spear

not that

[restive geyser]

That's spear dude

[lament wolf]

yeah but like imagine it in one hand right

[restive geyser]

Fiore spear teachings was intended to be used wit all forms of polearms, its a universal teaching

[lament wolf]

im wishing for better 1 handed polearm animations not whatever you are talking about

surely, it would be within the realm of possibility to allow willie to raise his spear with one arm above his head, no?

[restive geyser]

Quite literally a one hand spear can used two hand. You didn't even mention it had to be one hand, and also i don't think there is like

Any manual

With spear and shield

[next orchid]

there is

gladiatoria, etc.

[restive geyser]

Sword and shield

Knife and spear

[lament wolf]

my friend i think you are just trying to argue for the point of arguing at this point

[next orchid]

the more refined form from Mair is more useful

but he's 16th c.

all the useful stuff is in the 16th century

[lament wolf]

I’m not interested in bickering I simply want to hold a spear in one hand and a shield in the other and I want it to feel good. Okay?

[lament wolf]

I see

[restive geyser]

You won't rly get that in half sword but uh

Go crazy

[lament wolf]

I will check it out

[restive geyser]

The ingame spear stances are so ass, I pray they get changed

[lament wolf]

I don’t understand your hostility

[restive geyser]

I am not even being hostile

[terse bronze]

I AM

[next orchid]

theres also monte, i frogot

[terse bronze]

FUCK YOU ALL GRRRR

[restive geyser]

Kevlar be hostile!!

[terse bronze]

RAAAAH

[restive geyser]

YEAAAAH

[next orchid]

all the postures are kind of ass

its just what u get with a physics game like this

[restive geyser]

I know why doe

Like i said before

Physics nightmare

Imagine full iron gate in half sword

[next orchid]

also devs didnt put that much effort into footwork

[restive geyser]

That shit would suck

[next orchid]

which is way more important than how u hold ur weapon

since it literally affects how u hold ur weapon

[restive geyser]

You can use like, pollaxe and sword and buckler and sword hema

But like anything else?

Nah

[next orchid]

not really tbh

the complete lack of proper footwork gimps you using them properly

although some hemaists fence like that lol

but besides that, it doesnt even fit with the fencing systems that dont have "ordered" footwork

like stuff from Haiti and W. Africa, and some stuff in SEA, or Spanish rapier

because the footwork there still is a little more than just walking

[restive geyser]

To be fair, half sword is physics based. Which is truthfully the downfall, no matter what they do they'll never make half sword "Hema accurate" because the physics are rly just controlled by you and even then you can't control the full body.

[lament wolf]

game is in early access

its not finished

[next orchid]

yes but they can still program how the legs and hips are used

[restive geyser]

Hellish Quart the most hema accurate sword game i know

[lament wolf]

i’m sure if it’s possible they will change

[next orchid]

i mean sort of but it still has some weird choices

[next orchid]

its absolutely possible lol, what it isnt is practical. way too late in development

[restive geyser]

That's also mainly because the devs are hema pracitioners, i don't think half sword devs are hema pracitioners but they are historians

[next orchid]

devs also probably dont understand footwork nor do i think they actually care, nor should they

[restive geyser]

The devs do want a hema accurate + historically accurate game

But far as I know

They are mostly historians

[next orchid]

hema inspired maybe

[lament wolf]

The devs improved a lot of animations (except 1 handed swords) between demo and early access iirc but idk. I know between the abyss demo and the arena demo they did.

[restive geyser]

The hema practioners that play this don't care too much about footwork, truth be told.

Wrist control is what we all hate

[next orchid]

the footwork is literally the main reason this game looks like TABS lol

[restive geyser]

It sucks that this game has us with limp wrist

[next orchid]

honestly even exanima's combat looks better even if its infinitely more limited because the footwork is ordered and not free

although it is still funky

the footwork i mean

(but it is not due to it being physics based, but due to the steps they chose)

[restive geyser]

It doesn't bother me for two reasons: i can't even use my hema knowledge ingame, due to spear forms being impossible to replicate ingame outside of three lame ass guards.

Two: More fun not using hema lol

Two of the lame ass guards btw are like super half ass

[next orchid]

spear doesnt work because the character always steps with the rear foot first

or actually no

i cant remember

but he always steps like the bottom half doesnt know that the top half is fighting

so the rear leg passes the front leg, which is possible and sometimes practical, but it is done poorly

[restive geyser]

Way to much back weight and keeping the back straight is a task while trying to do things like middle iron gate

Window guard has the wrong hand placement

The hands are supposed to be iirc opposite

[next orchid]

tbh i dont really care about the guards

like, even if the arms and everything are correct, its superficial

feet would still be too close together

you would not deliver the blow properly

etc.

[restive geyser]

The feet placement is semi correct ingame

Rly it's the hands that rub me wrong

[next orchid]

you should immediately tell whats wrong lol

theyre not even semi correct

[restive geyser]

They are completely in the wrong spot for window guard

[restive geyser]

I would care more if the hands were right and the feet were wrong

[next orchid]

im not sure what u find wrong

just cuz it isnt fiore doesnt mean it is wrong lol

[restive geyser]

The thing is, it's rly not anyone lol

I don't even think it's vadi

[next orchid]

its basically this but with what the germans would call the grip for the shortened sword

[restive geyser]

That's not even remotely close to it

[next orchid]

post what u are talking about since last time i played the game it was basically just that

[restive geyser]

Judging by the length of the show spear, he holding it by the middle, ingame you're holding the spear near the back with short grip. This was in the demo, i haven't used any hema in ea for spear

[next orchid]

at which area you hold the spear doesnt matter

he is holding it weird but when u change your grip it looks more normal iirc

anyways biomechanically quite literally is the less important of the two between footwork and hand positioning lol

[restive geyser]

M2 it looks more like the shown manuscript

[bright token]

I love these cross guard and hope they shows up in future update

Also I wish the alt mode for polearm weapons arent buggy lol

[bright token]

that's a degen on his hip right?

[coral path]

Yeah

Its a really cool looking one too

[verbal bramble]

Is that so? So what Fiore says about the spear also applies to polearms like the halberd and the voulge/glaive?

[restive geyser]

Yes, it's very universal. Every polearm can do window guard, full iron gate, boar tooth, middle iron gate.

Spear + dagger

True cross etc

[verbal bramble]

Ah, makes sense!- How about tail guard? Is that a thing exclusive to pollaxes and swords? Or does it also apply to halberds and voulges?

[restive geyser]

It's not rly taught in spear.

But there is something super similar

Which is true cross

[restive geyser]

I must add: While it's not exactly outright said

You can possibly use sword like stances with a polearm

The Pollaxe is full of sword stances and the middle iron gate for a spear is essentially the iron gate for a sword

[bright token]

Nice helmet

[snow nova]

wow that really looks cool

i want this in HS

[bright token]

sameee i really want great bascinet

tho right now I would be grateful if you can customize all vambraces currently in the game, and have the ability to put maile on the arming doublet

[lethal adder]

also hoping for the armor clipping issues to get resolved

drive me nuts when im wearing a tabard with pauldrons

or seeing the doublet clip with the vambrace

or seeing my ears and eyebrows poking through a helmet

[chrome rover]

Tabard with the pauldrons above it looks great!
even if it doesnt make sense...

[robust tendon]

it makes for good giornea cope

[coral path]

I might make a giornea post

Giornea posting

[vocal vale]

first one is from 1420

[coral path]

Well gg

😢

Crayfish when...?

[royal wave]

what kind of plackart is he wearing?? is it even a plackart in the first place? I've never seen this kind of breastplate before

reminds me of articulated hussar cuirasses

[royal wave]

example

[terse bronze]

#1446819730164813958

[fast niche]

I've tried : (they cant

[copper veldt]

what country does half sword take in

[vocal vale]

the holy roman empire

modern day germany

[vocal vale]

#1469435996926906521 they can! only a few tho

[copper veldt]

i wonder

how many people have died

through the history of half sword

[terse bronze]

current estimations says around 5 or more

[coral path]

It was 6 people but dont trust victorians

[coral path]

Its called a crayfish cuirass. There is no placard.

[fast niche]

SHOW ME

[vocal vale]

#1469435996926906521

[fast niche]

I-its...... It's ok I-I guess...

B.. Boii.... 🫱😔

[restive geyser]

could still be added, never know

[vocal vale]

shouldn’t be

1450-1475

[restive geyser]

old gear is on the table, just will be very fucking rare and likely rusty. Great Bascinets will prob be the only kind of bascinet that could be in game and not be rusty and shitty looking

[vocal vale]

realistically it’d be too much of a hassle to service a rusty old helmet instead of just buying a new one

a 55 year old helmet is pretty bad man

[restive geyser]

we don't know how it will be implemented, the odds are its going into a spoilance gamemode as a helmet over the Armet

i honestly would love a gamemode where its just all old gear

that'd be worth making bascinets

[coral path]

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-504

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-483

[restive geyser]

I do wonder, if a Katana was brought to medieval europe, would they call it a Longsword?

[solar trail]

i think the indian katar dagger would look cool in the game as a new weapon or attatched to a glove

[terse bronze]

How would that fit the 1450-1475 western European vibe ?

Think

[solar trail]

oh i didnt realise only european vibes

dont have to be a dick head mate

[lethal adder]

+poison damage

[candid rapids]

hes not being a dickhead it was said multiple times that the gear would be contained to 1450-1475 germany (hre)

as written here

[haughty creek]

It’s in the channel description

[restive geyser]

Not just Germany

[restive geyser]

Imported ofc

[coral path]

Bru

[restive geyser]

In my defense

[coral path]

...

[solar trail]

think

[restive geyser]

It was a joke!

[coral path]

Mb

Im really fucked up rn

[restive geyser]

... BUT MORDSCHLAG CALLED THE BARDICHE AND HALBERD SEPARATELY!!!

Nuke him!!!

[coral path]

Also the halberd i referenced was Scandinavian

Btw some giorneas

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1469789469451354183

[candid rapids]

think about what

[solar trail]

think

[candid rapids]

im thinking

[restive geyser]

Crecy is lurking instead of posting top tier sallet designs

[restive geyser]

That rondel is massive

[latent seal]

not sure if this is the right thread but any idea what the runes on the polearm axe head says?
ive checked it and it seems like younger futhark but it dosent translate to anything further like latin or anything
im not an expert or anything so if i said anything wrong please correct me

[fast pagoda]

• victory? (or victories) and years? (or maybe abundance, plentifulness, etc.) + god give strength +

In the Latin alphabet it’s written

• Sikri ak ara + kut kifir stirka +
  Sikri (possibly an alternative sigr or sigrir meaning victory/victories), ak (probably an alternative of ok meaning and), ara (probably ára meaning either years or abundance), kut (this one might? be a variation of guð, meaning god), kifir (probably a variation of gefir meaning give), and stirka (the most obvious connection to styrka, etc. meaning strength)

[fast pagoda]

Probably actually ära (honor, glory) not ára (years, abundance). So, my guess is

• victory and honor + god give [me] strength +

Mostly likely medieval Swedish which means it probably has Ivan’s hand in it

[strange mason]

lol

[terse bronze]

various cool shit

[quaint shore]

That messer really looks like a later hussar sabre but i might be crazy

Not saying it is one, just saying they look similar btw

[turbid shadow]

1475 man

[timber smelt]

Absolutely goated reenactor

[thorny otter]

...And you have not seen their biggest toy....

Literally quarter ton of bronze for the barrel, almost ton of oak wood and old steel 17 th cent to get something with pre-industrial structure

Four ponds of powder gone with each shot

This thing shining in the sun was otherwordly https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Gb8q43vh9/

[terse bronze]

How expensive was it ? Do you have a number ?

[vocal vale]

this is neat !

[timber smelt]

Wow!!! My 18th century reenactment group has a 3 pounder bronze cannon, its nothing compared to that!

[fleet junco]

thats the guy from halfsword

[coral path]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1091409629560984

very cool kits

[thorny otter]

Nope and i am too afraid to ask not to trigger their ptsd

But they are planning for a full carriage for the cannon so it can be drawn by horses on events

[bright token]

beautiful late gothic armour too bad its from 1480
photo credit: armourphotographer on instagram

[terse bronze]

understandable

[bright token]

I like this shield

Bro’s torso built like kastenbrust cuirass ☠️

[candid rapids]

it was made for him in mind

[restive geyser]

Hey, i am not wrong with this right?

Greatsword and war sword are literally the same thing

Because i have argued this before long time ago

[terse bronze]

yes

[restive geyser]

Okay good, because someone is trying to argue they aren't

I told them War sword was a more english term, they also got called "Great sword of war" or just "Grete Sworde"

[terse bronze]

Then wtf is the difference

Majority of swords are wars words so tbh I don't really like this term

[restive geyser]

He spammed dafuq out of me 😭

Longer longsword.

[terse bronze]

That's quite the video game logic

Not based on anything

Iicr Germans used to call great swords "battle swords" but like, they're still swords

[restive geyser]

I could be wrong but this stems from 13th and 14th century english terminology (This is iffy and I can't find much sources on that.)

[robust tendon]

schlachtschwert

if i remember the spelling

[restive geyser]

Oakeshott types just refers to them funny enough

"Big swords from germany"

[terse bronze]

Yeah something like that

Didn't want to butcher the spelling

[robust tendon]

i hope i didnt

[terse bronze]

Because it's always smart not to use a term in a language you're not comfortable with

Looking at all "plankon" and "bed du corbin" people

[restive geyser]

Fuck it, name the Plançon, Plankton

[robust tendon]

beckter corban

[terse bronze]

This one was elite

[robust tendon]

tru

[restive geyser]

I wanna know, what do they think a greatsword is

[fast pagoda]

Don’t worry about the Germans themselves butchered the spelling 😹

Andre paurenfeydt spells it in a way I can’t even begin to recall

[terse bronze]

Source : I made it up

[robust tendon]

schizobabble

[terse bronze]

Yeah well at least I DIDNT

[restive geyser]

Source: Fromsoft games said so

[terse bronze]

same type of people that will tell you that "epee" is a kind of sword

[restive geyser]

Longer longsword is hilarious

That's like calling a longsword a longer arming sword

[terse bronze]

swords are a spectrum

[robust tendon]

or that arbalest is a specific form of crossbow

hate that

[terse bronze]

when does the longsword stops and the warsword begins

[terse bronze]

medieval enthusiasts upon learning a new french word

[restive geyser]

I feel like they started understand it when they got to like certain points where the blade is hella long but unable to be sheathed well

[vivid solar]

This is a pain to read just because of the spamming lol

[vivid solar]

110 hours in EA already 😭 that's like double what i had in the demo in months lmao

[dim mauve]

based, be a chad and make up your own classifications

[real falcon]

hello

[prisma raven]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DUBZNyrgkO0/?igsh=MXJ0cGdrbzJwbDhmbg==

ninyamikhaila

Remember the chunky silk cord I made a few weeks back? This is what it was for. Late 15th century Burgundian coat, with matching brow band, to be worn over armour. Thanks to Jay Maxwell for the photos of the first try out, before the cord was added in.
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#fifteenthcentury #medievalknight #armour #medievalfashion #martialstyle #burgundian

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[coral path]

am i nuts or bifurcated gauntlets?

[prisma raven]

Yeah bifurcated gauntlets, also gilded mail

Actually idk, it kinda looks like they're separate mail fingers

[vivid solar]

What's that

[chrome rover]

like mittens but with another segment

[dawn orbit]

Based - does the plackart serve a function if it's riveted to the demi cuirass?

[weak halo]

I'm tempted to say that they might just be decorative

If you look at the side pictures it's clearly meant to articulate

[dawn orbit]

Ah icic

[vocal vale]

demi cuirass ?

[dawn orbit]

Breastplate

On the ribs

[vocal vale]

i can’t say that makes any more sense to me but the rivets are sliding rivets, so they do move, not decorative

[bright token]

Interesting backplate design

From livre du cuer d’amours espris

[lone osprey]

yeah Coeur looks like he wears a jousting harness

[viscid vine]

hello, why are you tagged as a spammer, realistic Bart Simpson from the hit show "The Simpsons"

[prisma raven]

1475 Germany ÖNB Cod. 3085
https://www.facebook.com/MedievalAdvisor/posts/pfbid0Cpu95aoy5um9yVgMAcKTmkkDdiNDNcNppWs87F9uwFqvvgFazgQVBpHMvnP9dgs2l

[spare pecan]

Why do you have gloves for the teenage mutant ninja turtles

[strange haven]

That is literally just tmnt gloves wtf 😭

[lusty sun]

i thought he was a willie

[edgy prawn]

Wait so the eppe is not a sword!?

[terse bronze]

épée means sword

it's not a type of sword

(except in olympic fencing i think)

[edgy prawn]

So when they are adding the eppe in half sword?!

[terse bronze]

?

[edgy prawn]

Will they add it?

[terse bronze]

they're swords already

sword in english, épée in french

[edgy prawn]

But no eppy

😭

[terse bronze]

yeah shut up

[edgy prawn]

Why🥺

Half epee update when😍

[gentle osprey]

You can sort of make a thin blade longsword in weapon crafting

[terse bronze]

you have swords in the game

so you have épées

end of discussion

[coral path]

such a beautiful cuirass

"A Gothic Saint Florian, circa 1480"

[restive geyser]

Epee is like

a super bendable and very thin fencing sword

[restive geyser]

But if we go by like medieval

its just a sword

[terse bronze]

In the modern age yes, it's also that

But first and foremost, épée means sword

[restive geyser]

thats what I am referring to with that

and Epees are "new" in terms of swords

[terse bronze]

In everyday language, épée just means sword

[terse bronze]

No, it's just a different language than english

In french 15th century sources, all swords are called épée

[restive geyser]

i am once more talking about modern

[terse bronze]

Yes, it also just mean sword

Épée is just the french word for sword

[restive geyser]

I know the word

but like i mean, the FENCING SWORD itself is "newer"

[terse bronze]

The fencing sword is called like that because french fencers just called it sword back then

Just like the way a "bullet" isn't a ball anymore

Yet it's still called a bullet (boulette)

Same here, if we don't talk about the hyper specific sport setting of fencing, épée= sword

[coral path]

"Second half of the 15th century, Eastern Sweden"

[coral path]

1450-1499, possibly Westphalian

[muted chasm]

i have a suggestion i think there should be a toggle for the hair, i like when the willies are bald. and also can you bring back the old blood and the old menu why fix what was never broken you know ?

[coral path]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1043854764095582260

mid-late 15th century, Mälardalen

[unkempt rampart]

Look at those foulds

[coral path]

1479 North German

North German 1468

[bright token]

is this considered as kastenbrust or not i forgor about it again lol

[eternal sail]

We don't get a side view but I believe its a normal globose breastplate

[vocal vale]

yes

[coral path]

its a kastenbrust

[young vortex]

I would murder for a cloak \ gown

[crap pic ik ]

[little trail]

do we have decent records of this era of pottery? like what kinds of ceramics exist... maybe for an art project...

[thorny otter]

Grab 3 meters of wool cloth, some thread and needle and make it. These things are easy af, as them being long and broad usually hides any problems with the pattern. You can look for Medieval Tailors Assisstant for start, there is pdf free somewhere.
And decent material can be ordered from Woolsome, for start. It's a project for one weekend and a decent entry into sewing your kit

[thorny otter]

When and where? It's quite regional thing, as the source material differs. Some special stuff is more spread from the area of origin (like siegburg pottery, italian maiollica or Loštice cup)

This is a decent start for Medieval pottery in Bohemia. I suspect other places will have other works like that;)
https://www.academia.edu/21668867/Vladimír_Nekuda_Květa_Reichertová_Středověká_keramika_v_Čechách_a_na_Moravě_Medieval_pottery_in_Bohemia_and_Moravia_Mittelalterliche_Keramik_in_Böhmen_und_Mähren

[young vortex]

I ment in-game but thank you for the website

[little trail]

Absolutely something i haven’t thought about. I was thinking about it wheel throwing some works but this may be even more interesting to see at traditional construction styles even

[vivid solar]

Is it just me or does that man have incredibly long arms

[glossy locust]

yeah

[neat delta]

i think he just has short legs ngl

[desert acorn]

Purpled armor or craftable armor with ranges of how tempered it's been

[fleet junco]

give us dark straw

[coral path]

[rancid dragon]

This would be very rare wouldn't it?

As furnaces and stuff aren't as powerful as today

[terse bronze]

you'd be surprised

[fleet junco]

what if he wasnt suprised

[pure creek]

king John II

from Aragón

[prisma raven]

This portrait is from the XVI century

Here's a probable period depiction of him #1447306092957663424 message

I've also made this quick drawing based on that painting btw

[pure creek]

Wow

[pure creek]

Oh ok

[coral path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129805894620819531/1472483423183437864/michael_cuirass_turntable.mp4?ex=6993654d&is=699213cd&hm=86c2f6cb3f97e236ee7affd0dfc36568c41b8782a1087d2be3d54d3a9316af00&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164082942109290676/1472678576770777259/michael_cuirass.gif

ramsay2710 made this cuirass based off of Saint Michael from Bartolome Bermejo's painting (1468)

[bleak ore]

What is this of?

[coral path]

A mod for bannerlord, dell'arte della guerra,

hasent released yet

[bleak ore]

Aw man I was hoping this was for Halfsword full release, but still amazing!

[grizzled osprey]

How the Tower of London staff looks at you after you bring the 3rd girl in the same week

[desert acorn]

yeah absolutely. it would make so much sense though to find more of this kind of stuff in abyss mode though. it would encourage taking high risk by fighting in abyss to get high end gear

[rancid dragon]

abyss was actually where I got my first proper bit of armour

[desert acorn]

oh yeah it is good for gear but it stresses me out. pretty scary ngl. i maxed out the entire game and beat everything and even pretty much dug out the depths to death in searching for blue armor. but i never found it. found out the full set was never released. which is why i quit

[desert acorn]

oops (ping)-

[rancid dragon]

yeah it is annoying how the tempered and blued armour still hasn't been completed as a set

[desert acorn]

Yes and i have high hopes for the update that fleshes out armor crafting

i just dont get why gold baren armor is half weight as normal steel. gold is like 4 times heavier in real life

unless its gilded

i really got nearly every armor in the game but no blue armor

i just wish

😭

[vocal vale]

it is

[desert acorn]

Oh I see

[lost pawn]

bro i thought this shit was garrys mod lmfao

[candid rapids]

for some reason the blued armor variants are extremely rare

ive only ever found vambraces or cuisses

[forest citrus]

what’s the purpose of a knot at the nape on doublets? can’t post pictures here but it appears a lot in art in this timeframe 1450-70

https://pin.it/3QOUQgM6q

[earnest raptor]

whuh

[oblique herald]

lace fastening to allow for a tighter fit without needing buttons

[desert acorn]

That's because the full set isn't out yet

[candid rapids]

rip

[bright token]

Is the thing on the breastplate belt for holding it & plackart together?

[haughty creek]

Are you talking about the large buckle, or the belt itself?

[bright token]

Large buckle

[robust tendon]

yes

[coral path]

yes

[bright token]

Got it, man that’s a big belt buckle lol

[coral path]

the "belt" here attaches the placard and breastplate

[ancient pivot]

yeah I wouldn't usually make it that big but in the original painting that thing is huge lol

[coral path]

I need to refresh my memory on what the first breastplate is based off of

nvm its breastplate CH S37

"made around 1470 and in the upper middle area bears marks that refer to Zanetto Ferrari, an armorer from Brescia."

[fast pagoda]

ferrari always been making masterworks as evidenced by this

[agile kindle]

this is exceptionally amusing to me

[silk sentinel]

Flamberge blades (don't mind the hilts, talking about the blade type which were a thing for many centuries, including the time of Half Sword)

[coral path]

[terse bronze]

Do we have an actual source from the period showing wavy blades tho?

[silk sentinel]

couldnt find one fast, but they are mentioned in texts from the 12th to 16th century

[coral path]

thats a wack date

[terse bronze]

How? (are they mentioned)

[coral path]

(where did you read it)

just out of curiosity

[silk sentinel]

12th and 15th century texts according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamberge
16th century (landsknecht zweihanders) according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame-bladed_sword

[terse bronze]

wikipedia

[coral path]

yes

[restive geyser]

Yeah the wiki gets a few things incorrect to be fair

[silk sentinel]

these days wikipedia is not that bad, click through the sources I guess

[coral path]

wikipedia is not very reliable imo

[restive geyser]

the oldest like wavy blades I can think of, is some weird Manuscripts showing French two hand falchions but those weren't too wavy and often times they are showed for "Evil" armies and people

[terse bronze]

From the first link :

The term is a frequent name or alias for swords in medieval chansons de geste and romances, where it often just means a large sword

[restive geyser]

and never actually were to be taken literal in a sense

[terse bronze]

but flamberge quickly became a disdainful term in France to refer to flamboyant swords. This comes from the French expression "Mettre flamberge au vent", meaning "To put [the sword] in the wind". Here, it is suggested that the wielder of the sword likened it to the mythical sword Durendal, which alternatively was called flamberge

[coral path]

this

[terse bronze]

Idk seems to me that nothing really points toward wavy blades before the ~mid 16thc

[restive geyser]

da evil falchion

(this is religious btw)

[vocal vale]

especially since they would be pretty marvelous anywhere before the 16th century, it'd be very likely there'd be extants

[silk sentinel]

surely there are a bunch of surviving blades from that period, hence I pointed to texts for my other sources. But if you guys think it is spurious evidence I don't have the knowledge to argue

[terse bronze]

or artistic depiction

[coral path]

I havent seen an extant with that kind of blade from the 12th century-15th

[robust tendon]

there is not a single one im almost certain of that

[coral path]

id have to agree

[robust tendon]

and no depictions in art that fit the usual image of a "flamberge"

its not impossible i guess, but theres no evidence

[coral path]

its very unscholarly to reference those blades being used from 12th century to 15th

[restive geyser]

Like what Kevlar said, a lot of the times you see a weird fucking weapon in a manuscript, its often just artist trying to show something like a evil army in a religious context or smthing

[coral path]

as there isnt a legit source for an extant or depiction in art of one to begin with

[silk sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/beating-up-beat-up-gang-attack-fight-back-jaxson-ryker-gif-14720264

me

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[silk sentinel]

my bad should have taken more time to research

[coral path]

i stole sams gif

[vocal vale]

we welcome your Spirit and Resolve good man . Godspeed in future

[coral path]

btw

[silk sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/curtsy-how-do-you-do-arthur-treachers-funny-hello-gif-16904872444657865720

[coral path]

all good things

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-to-tank-communication-tank-gif-11679869274951291671

[robust tendon]

i suspect the curvy falchions in that instance is an attempt to depict easterners

[coral path]

no idea on that one

[restive geyser]

maybe?

[robust tendon]

and by easterners i mean arabs, at least this specific one

[restive geyser]

there a manuscript i sent depicting poland, that had some weird falchions iirc

[coral path]

easterners

[robust tendon]

the one depicting mongols I think

battle of liegnitz

[restive geyser]

I have this one too but honestly I can't remember what its depicting

no falchion, but a super weird pollaxe?

[silk sentinel]

I can imagine some witness saying they have curvy swords and the artist letting his imagination run wild

[vocal vale]

where

[restive geyser]

whatever this thing is

[coral path]

I wouldnt say this is necessarily "weird"

[restive geyser]

Well, is it a Pollaxe?

[vocal vale]

probably depends on who you ask

[coral path]

was gonna say

[vocal vale]

i would call it a halberd because it seems pretty long and round-shafted

which is generally associated with the term

[coral path]

it could def be a halberd

similar to this

[vocal vale]

pollaxes are generally understood to be the height of the user or a bit less in most contexts and fashioned with languets (except for the earliest cases) rather than a socket

[restive geyser]

the bardiche and Halberd argument happened again, don't remind meh

[coral path]

[restive geyser]

this time the person had a source so 🤷

[coral path]

show (if you dont mind)

[robust tendon]

agree

[robust tendon]

very much a halberd

[vocal vale]

falls into the same trap that most people do where he considers a localized form of a weapon to be a different weapon entirely, its a sort of paradox

[coral path]

the terms become so broad the more you look into it as well

[robust tendon]

i will also mention this book seems to buy into the whole 'whack le armor with the pollax' thing

which is not a point in its favor

[restive geyser]

i assumed this book he pulled from originated from a Victorian era book

[robust tendon]

also it claims that pollaxes are universal when a man-at-arms fights on foot, and there is no data on this iirc

[silk sentinel]

Guys off topic but what do your animated colorful names mean?

[vocal vale]

the argument is that since it looks somewhat different and was called a regional term in the place it was primarily used in it's a separate thing entirely, but it's counterintuitive to give everything a regional name based on where it was used more frequently - the truth is that in the early development of "both" the bardiche and the halberd, they would've looked the same and the terms would only differ based on what place the person viewing it was from

[vocal vale]

scribe, researched people able to lock or delete posts in the sister channel of this one that is thread based

[robust tendon]

"one could batter an armored opponent all day with a sword without making the least impression on him"

[coral path]

lmaooooooo

[silk sentinel]

Thanks

[coral path]

wtff

wait

[coral path]

idk if im reading this right

[robust tendon]

wdym

its basically falling into the old myth of 'swords are useless against armored people' because the author does not understand how they were used in an armored fight

[coral path]

gotcha thats what I thought at first

I had a stroke reading it too many times

" without making the least impression on him"

[restive geyser]

what i hear a lot of rly

is the whole

[coral path]

militus had a stroke reading that

[restive geyser]

"Swords were only rly used as a culture thing"

[silk sentinel]

I've never heard that one before

[coral path]

yeah where did you read that?

[robust tendon]

oh its definitely a thing, i've even heard the sword was worn in the 15th century for 'religious superstition' lol

in one of alex the history guy's videos actually

[restive geyser]

yeah i heard that one recently

for religious reasons

[coral path]

oh no

lmao

[robust tendon]

it just boils down to a misunderstanding of how swords were used with the advent of plate harness and such. i've heard stuff like 'mail armor made swords obsolete', they were ceremonial, and at best they were a 'good dueling weapon' rather than a weapon of war

[restive geyser]

there is a bunch of sword combat manuscripts or ingeneral manuscripts depiciting armored combat in some form with a sword being used, and a lot of the time it shows what we actually know as fact: Half swording or Mordschlag, either the knight with half sword has the sword rammed up into the other knight groin as we see in some manuscripts depicting medieval combat

or the man using mordschlag bashing him over the side of the head

[robust tendon]

tbh i'd believe it was more common to just stab at the gaps rather than relying on mordschlag but i'm not too well read on it

[silk sentinel]

sounds like a misunderstanding of swords 'sometimes' being used for cerimonial/religious reasons

and then bastardizing that into 'always'

or only

[robust tendon]

i mean they were absolutely a status symbol but also a very effective weapon

just like how some armors are extravagantly ornate but still functional

[coral path]

nah def agree

[restive geyser]

oh no, i wasn't saying mordschlag was effective, because its effectiveness is def questionable.

i think a lot of manuscripts involving armored combat, depict mordschlag as sometimes working in a way that how in some manuscripts axes cleave through armor like butter.

I think Mordschlag def could've worked to some degree, but I doubt it could like smash someone over the helmet and cave in alongside their head like it was foam

[restive geyser]

this is Fabolous

pin this shi rn

[restive geyser]

Billions must witness Perspective

[terse bronze]

vouge

[vocal vale]

https://tenor.com/view/no-country-for-old-men-anton-chigurh-gif-14903076764060908818

[fast pagoda]

It is important to note that most techniques of the short sword (including mordschlag/tunrschlag) weren’t used as direct striking but as wrenching or leveraging

So even in Talhoffer where we see the mordschlag, it is mostly used on the weapon of the opponent to wrench it away, or to trip them at the ankles, etc.
You could maybe say mordschlag is a lead into normal short swording techniques, by enabling leverage and wrestling.

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-blood-money-gif-27556069

[void stream]

Actually poleaxe

[coral path]

glaive

[unkempt rampart]

fauchard

[lethal adder]

lance.

swordspear.

[fleet junco]

big swingy thing

[restive geyser]

Pointy stick

[pastel hemlock]

gun

wait wrong thing uhhh

bastard sword?

[vocal vale]

very much already in game

[light nova]

Yall need to add (extremely obscure weapon not even in time period) and if you don't I will eat all the devs

[turbid shadow]

no

[coral path]

yeah wtf

[terse bronze]

Mustard sword

[unkempt rampart]

Pretty sure no

[coral path]

no

[verbal bramble]

Is it from Dijon?

[autumn stream]

yesterday i logged off and today i js entered and it made me redo my player and i lost everything i had in that game

why is that

[terse bronze]

#references♥_1450-1470

[bright token]

Did medieval military writers wrote about sword blade types at all?

[umbral jolt]

😂

[terse bronze]

?

[desert acorn]

How we (YES WE) will be pulling up to the buhurt the second blued armor fully releases

[terse bronze]

just for info, second, fourth and last img aren't from the game's time period

and the last image isn't blued

and pretty sure the third isn't blued either

[desert acorn]

Oh shucks. Mb

[verbal bramble]

Does anyone have any information about how much overlap maille standards usually have on the back (as in, where they are closed) when worn?

[vestal egret]

There's no evidence of clothing hanging on lines across streets as we see in the game till centuries later 😉
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2025/11/15/origins-of-the-clothes-peg-and-the-practice-of-hanging-lines-across-streets/

There's no evidence of chopping wood with blocks as we see in the game till centuries later 😉
https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2025/11/16/when-did-people-start-using-a-chopping-block-for-firewood/

[vocal vale]

@vestal egret feel free to post similar content in a#1444450859902697566 thread-post too

'pprecite the dilligence

[vestal egret]

Will do 😉

[royal wave]

What period do you think the armor in the second image could be from? Wouldn't everything fit besides the helmet and gorget?

[vocal vale]

it's a fairly well "developed" helmet, i'd go as far as to say 1540 or so

especially with the wolf's teeth decorations on the other parts i think that supports the ballpark

[prisma raven]

the cuirass looks earlier though

also the limb armor

[royal wave]

Yes that's what I had in mind, the rest of the armor looks like it would fit in the halfsword timeline (or at least wouldn't stray far from it)

[prisma raven]

https://www.instagram.com/renekohlstruck/

[terse bronze]

sry was playing arma

yeah what cama said

[vocal vale]

does a visor like that really show up in the thun sketchbook ??

[prisma raven]

found it

[vocal vale]

ay but das a different visor than the one in the original batch'a'picturs..

its this visor which threw me off so greatly because of how much closer it is to way more 16th century designs

[ancient pivot]

he says in the comments of one of his insta posts that the harness is 1490-1510, and that's with this visor on