references♥_1450-1470

[restive geyser]

But it's just so weird

[latent drift]

i would love that

if they do i wonder if they would add horse gore

[weak halo]

Two Willies smashing into eachother

[weak halo]

It would be funnier if the horse remains intact and flops around

Then you get disqualified

[restive geyser]

give it horse armor!

[lethal adder]

are there any historical examples of full visored sallets akin to the bellows face that are dated earlier than this specific design? afaik bellows faced sallets only pop up much later than the games time frame so im curious if there are similar designs that do fit into it

i like sallets well enough but i just feel like once youve seen one sallet + bevor combo youve seen them all lmao so it would be cool to see something similar if it does exist and if it could be implemented

[terse bronze]

i think those sallets are ugly

except 1

[terse bronze]

and some did still require a bevor, or at least some kind of late bevor/gorget thing

[terse bronze]

this is by far my favorite sallet of those "types" (all the others are ugly) (Sallet of Philip I, circa 1500)

And even it had some kind of gorget/bevor

[prisma raven]

Love this one

[steep yoke]

tf is on bros head

[weak halo]

This is where it's at

[steep yoke]

would that not be a good thing to grab in combat lol

[weak halo]

Also, honorable mention:

[terse bronze]

a pommegranate

[coral path]

Not really for combat

[terse bronze]

or however it's spelt

[steep yoke]

what's it for? parade stuff?

[terse bronze]

gl grapping it from the head of a high ranking noble in complete harness, armed, and probably on horseback

God i fucking hate this type of comments

[coral path]

Im pretty sure it was just for ceremonial whatever. So yeah maybe a tourny or smth

[weak halo]

Sexyback

[terse bronze]

"Errmm this is an obvious graping hazard 🤓 "

[steep yoke]

boo hoo, it was an honest question

get over yourself

[terse bronze]

you just DONT disrespect Philip I like that

This is your first & last warning

[steep yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/timbersshivered-yikers-gif-23072365

[terse bronze]

Him as St. Georges

[weak halo]

I like bellows visors on these close helms

[coral path]

Mail on rerebraces

[prisma raven]

PEDRO BERRUGUETE AND WORKSHOP, CA. 1497. Scene from the life of a saint, probably Saint Bernard.

[turbid shadow]

too late for the game

[weak halo]

Death by ski stick

[weak halo]

I'm well aware

[turbid shadow]

yeah I just scrolled up

you boys were just sharin' some cool stuff and not as actual references

[weak halo]

Yee

Owlface sallets are so cool

[robust tendon]

closest thing to it ig

[coral path]

Jizzed.

[winter aspen]

Sick

[coral path]

More fencer spams?

[robust tendon]

needs ploom

[weak halo]

Here are some cool Willie-friendly armors

[weak halo]

Willie's retirement plan is brutal

[turbid shadow]

I retired now.. (Haven't found anything worth to actually post yet)

[robust tendon]

nice to see some buffes

well one

[prisma raven]

peak

one of my favorites

shame its early for half sword

[coral path]

Ya im pretty sure it was 1430 or 1440 or smth

[prisma raven]

ca. 1420-1430 iirc

[quaint shore]

need more of this armet

[coral path]

Italian breastplate, C.1470 Churburg CH33

[coral path]

WIP by Armour Services Historical (A.S.H.)

not to mention, they make great brigandine

[slate mulch]

ew no

anyway john halfsword

[coral path]

as old as the internet

[slate mulch]

wah wah wah

[coral path]

its a classic ngl

[steep yoke]

Unreal drip

[slate mulch]

that one with tassets is so pretty wth

[terse bronze]

if there's 1 brocade & tasset brigandine fan i'm one of them

if there's none, i'm dead

[coral path]

I like both

id put a placard on one cus why not

[weak halo]

Killing you rn

[terse bronze]

It's based on this btw

WHICH i'm seen many people make the argument that it also might very well just be a covered cuirass

But there's no way of being 100% sure anyway

[slate mulch]

erm

nuh uh

[coral path]

That looks like brigandine

[prisma raven]

yeah

[lethal adder]

i think theyre ugly too but it works in its favor, idk how to explain it but it feels very imposing and industrial almost

[lethal adder]

this is very good

[lethal adder]

i figured there would be some form of neck protection. i was moreso saying from an aesthetic perspective that im just kinda bored of seeing plain sallets and bevors (decorated sallets are still very cool to me). not saying they were bad or anything just because ive seen so many, they were an extremely popular design for a reason after all.

[robust tendon]

i like sallets but they're honestly my least favorite class of helmet, kettles and armets on top

[lethal adder]

the armet is the true knightly helm.

love armets...

great bascinets and armets are my top tier favorite designs, great bascinet with a frog faced visor especially. fellow in this pic is Graham Turner da goat btw.

[lethal adder]

hell yea

if i won the lottery tomorrow i wouldn't tell a soul but there would be signs.

[lone osprey]

pomegranate crest still in the games time frame

[weak halo]

My favorite visor is this one

Big snoot

[coral path]

so cool

[lethal adder]

if a bloke tried to cut me down wearing one of those id fall upon my own sword out of spite

[weak halo]

Saves you the humiliation of being beaten wearing lesser drip

[lethal adder]

fone bone ass helmet

[restive geyser]

hey

some of that helmet only attire

is drippy

[lethal adder]

manifesting evil sentient floating swords to kill you

#goodvibesonly #epicwin

[restive geyser]

my friend who knows nothing about medieval drip saw a footmen wearing those cloth bevors

and he called it a Medieval Shiesty

[lethal adder]

10 months in the electric chair.

https://tenor.com/view/sentenced-judge-gavel-life-guilty-gif-15269633257809176357

[restive geyser]

lenient

[lethal adder]

i am a firm, but just and benevolent fellow.

[lethal adder]

[zenith forge]

its so peak...

[prisma raven]

King Henry IV of Castile in the genealogy of the kings of Spain by Alonso de Cartagena. Royal Library of the Palace of Madrid. (1470's)

He's armed "a la Jineta"

[lone osprey]

is that a moor's head under each hoof?

[prisma raven]

yeah

[terse bronze]

basado

[prisma raven]

https://flic.kr/p/2iRfTCP

CHAPEL OF SANTA CROCE
Fresco cycle depicting the "Passion of Christ."
1472 work, attributed to Pietro da Saluzzo
Former Church of San Francesco, Cuneo

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andrea_carloni/albums/72157710534146211/

[terse bronze]

Partisan lesgo

[steep yoke]

mf in the back wearing a leopard print onesie

[restive geyser]

called drip

[fleet junco]

santa manuscript

[restive geyser]

I need a bit of help, in this picture it shows a vast halberd collection, the thing that has me stumped: Is the thing at the very far right. what is this? it looks like a basic spear, why is it on a Halberd rack? is this something the Swiss considered an halberd? or was it likely just an accident?

because by my understanding

that isn't what a Halberd is, its a spear.

[vocal vale]

partisan

[restive geyser]

thats a spear, correct?

[vivid solar]

It's a...partisan

[lone osprey]

did the art channel disappear or am i blind

is this old news

[vivid solar]

#art-🎨

[lone osprey]

thanks that's weird - it pops up in 'suggested' now and says that the channel is not in my channel list when I go into it lol

[vivid solar]

Same

[sullen charm]

It's a quirk with Discord communities.

You need to follow channels or categories to prevent obscuration.

[lone osprey]

thank you, that's totally new to me lol

[prisma raven]

https://flic.kr/p/YJSrc8

[silver heart]

the halberds are arranged in such a way to show off the evolution in their forms over the centuries. by the latter half of the row you start to see the halberds take on shapes more and more befitting of usage by honor guards and sergeants. the partisan (or spontoon i can’t really tell) more and more replaced the halberd in this role as time went on, hence its inclusion at the end of the row.

[restive geyser]

thats what i was looking for

thanks a ton

[silver heart]

no problem twin. if there were any discrepancies in what i said i apologize and someone will likely aid in clearing them up but thats the best explanation i can give you.

[verbal bramble]

It is indeed a partisan, or some kind of cutting spear-like polearm, but not just a spear

[edgy prawn]

Why are you using white? 🫣

[verbal bramble]

As for why it is on a halberd rack, it probably is because both are cutting polearms, and by this point I assume it was used for ceremonial purposes? (If judging by the small blade size)

[prisma raven]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andrea_carloni/albums/72177720312566403/

[slate mulch]

ew

[weak halo]

The helmet would be much nicer if it wasn't painted, yeah

It's a really nice looking helmet if you ignore that.
I'll probably make a 3D model of it for Skyrim someday

[slate mulch]

again ew

[silver heart]

what’s wrapping around his head that the war hat/kettle appears to be resting on? can’t say i’ve seen a similar configuration in art before. if it’s meant to be depicting a biblical scene (like the set of photos above it appears to be) though i could understand any armor oddities.

[restive geyser]

This is a cloth Bevor i am pretty sure

If you scroll up a bit

You can find some similar pictures

@silver heart

This wasn't a substitute for things like chainmail

And seeing how a lot of examples of this cloth being used, looks like a very basic single layer and very thin cloth, i don't think it did much as protection. It was likely just a way to either cover up chainmail or some kind of basic head warmer

[robust tendon]

more likely just fashion

[vocal vale]

yeah wtf is up with this lol

[robust tendon]

why it say delphine

[night kindle]

im going to vomit why are you using light theme

[sullen charm]

Don't assassinate me over it

[lone osprey]

damn love that

[restive geyser]

That too

[lethal sphinx]

half sword shield 💔

[restive geyser]

It says Delphini

This doesn't make it anymore cool btw

The meaning can be translated to dolphin

So this guy just put on his helmet

In big white bold letters

Dolphin

[fiery gorge]

Fuck is ts bro

[lethal sphinx]

LOL

its tuff 💔

[fiery gorge]

This tuffer

[restive geyser]

Monster energy ah shield

[fiery gorge]

Mattix

Matrix

[lone osprey]

iconic

[lethal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[restive geyser]

Why is there hot pink

Hot pink lion

[fiery gorge]

That's a lion?

[restive geyser]

Or a stupid looking trex

[fiery gorge]

Looks more like trex

[restive geyser]

It's smokey the bear

[fiery gorge]

Lowkey

[restive geyser]

God this system is going to be so ass

People are going to make the most terrible heraldry possible

[fiery gorge]

Can't wait for the dih charge combo

[restive geyser]

Me and the squad running the 1s with the baron in our hot pink and neon green gambesons

[fiery gorge]

Leopard underwear beggar

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/insomniac-events-insomniac-events-gifs-electric-daisy-carnival-edc-rave-gif-9789328

Half sword players after heraldry update

[lethal sphinx]

heart shorts beggar

[restive geyser]

Can't wait for the workshop and see this as modded armor

[fiery gorge]

Nah we need ts in vanilla

[restive geyser]

Did you know that

The halberd that is called a Vougle

Was because of some idiot who mistranslated Vougles in the 19th century

And instead of it being a blade on top

They said it was a cleaver like weapon attached to the side by loops

By the time it was figured out it was actually referring to a Halberd, damage was already done

[lethal sphinx]

there will be workshop subscribable items for hs?

[restive geyser]

It was mentioned a few times

But not a focus

[placid osprey]

😔

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ruEqaIpNc

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hopefully within the game's timeframe. A breastplate by Georges Jolliot, looks Italianate to me but i might be wrong.

[terse bronze]

"soldier breasplate"

"recycled" from a man-at-arms cuirass

(that's what he said)

[terse bronze]

Mid XV century, so works for the game's timeframe

[bright token]

Thank you for translating to english 🙏

[terse bronze]

Found another pic of it and he's calling it "milanese" cuirass

So definitely italian made but i would say something for export for the western european market

[bright token]

Pretty cool for me to found this because I usually see Italian armour with chest belt for securing breastplate and plackart :]

[vocal vale]

lower class italian equipment often has sliding rivets instead

[coral path]

Best project by Georges Jolliot

his crayfish cuirass is insane tho

[void stream]

aw man i was about to send this 💔

[coral path]

The man with the cuirass

Franco-burgundian sallet recreation by him as well

[void stream]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-running-me-on-my-way-to-say-repost-synapse-x-gif-19110255

[bright token]

Love the fluting!

[coral path]

He's done so much man, I could post his stuff for hours

Even in just 1450-1470

He made these tassets too

[void stream]

bro where is my schreiber role I want that too

Monument of Werner von Eppstein-Münzenberg
Dating: 1462

Beautiful tiny alabaster statue from the southern Netherlands 1470

[void stream]

ca. 1456 - 'Jean Jouvenel (Juvénal) des Ursins
Cathédrale Notre-Dame, Paris, France

Frank von Kronberg der Ältere (1461)

Epitaph des Johannes Graf zu Solms (+1457)

ca. 1464 - Anna von Kronberg and her husband Ulrich II von Rosenberg

[fleet junco]

scary links

[quaint shore]

oOoOoOoO

[sullen charm]

Does anyone here have good peasant references?

[coral path]

Honorable mention

[sullen charm]

I love agricultural tools

[coral path]

Peasant tier in hs should have one fr

[fiery gorge]

I have this no idea where it's from

Or when it's from

[sullen charm]

Ohhh

[coral path]

Ca. 1475

[sullen charm]

Interesting hat

[fiery gorge]

Why he poking it out like that

[sullen charm]

I feel like I don't really see tunics this long when it comes to late 15th century peasantry

[coral path]

Ca. 1470

[sullen charm]

I wonder what blue hat is

It's probably like a standard felt-y hat like you see in Half Sword right?

[fiery gorge]

Says "XVth century" not exact year

Ik

[sullen charm]

Me coo coo, I just realized you meant the painting and not me

LOL

[cold yew]

baby as a weapon right?

[fiery gorge]

Lol

This one says 1450s

Very small sheep

[bright token]

I like his armour

[bright token]

Love the flutings on the arms and legs armour 😄

[cold yew]

Hm

i think they should add montante

historical record say they already exist since 15th century

[robust tendon]

already have 15th century montantes

[cold yew]

Is that even a montante? or just a greatsword

[robust tendon]

montante just means two handed sword

iirc

and those would be what ‘montantes’ looked like at the time

[cold yew]

Well yeah, but thats not iberian ones

we only got greatsword from HRE, france, England

but they said its western europe

where is iberian greatsword

[robust tendon]

what do you mean iberian greatsword

do u happen to have a picture

[cold yew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montante

[robust tendon]

the only image on that page is something we already have

[cold yew]

the handle and blade type looks diffrent though

look closely

[fiery gorge]

Literally just a bigger crossguard and a weird pommel

[robust tendon]

we already have basically exactly that in the game

[coral path]

Yes, swords are in the game

[fiery gorge]

Willie should have a willie because I think they had those in 1450

[coral path]

Especially when armies raided

[fiery gorge]

Lots of willies

[cold yew]

yeah

[coral path]

Epar was historical too

[cold yew]

the in game sword handle looks wierd thouh

only straight

[coral path]

Iebdywnfbcudhwgrurv no women or children

[fiery gorge]

Dude I got an idea

Sword that's just a double blade with 2 crossguards for halfswording only

[cold yew]

look at the handle

[fiery gorge]

I sound stupid

[cold yew]

and pommel

[fiery gorge]

Apple?

Apple‽

[cold yew]

compare the pommel and handle to the ingame one

[cold yew]

wdym

[fiery gorge]

So ur just asking for a new handle

Not a "montante"

[cold yew]

and that blade type too

look at that blade type

[fiery gorge]

It's a lil thinner?

Tiny bit?

[robust tendon]

we basically already have that there’s minimal difference

[coral path]

And with weapon customization im sure you'll be able to make one anyway

[fiery gorge]

This?

[cold yew]

i mean like, the blade is not being soo thin when to the edge

I think the game already have this blade, but not the handle and pommel

I think they should add claymore too

[coral path]

Claymore my beloved

[fiery gorge]

Why does it say developed in the 16th century and used in 1400

[coral path]

Im pretty sure its late for the game

Very sure

[slate mulch]

so iberian zwei

ok

[terse bronze]

doesnt fit the game

althought during the game's timeframe there were scottish swords that looked like those 2 handers (technically not a claymore) but 1 handed

[robust tendon]

do you have an image of that by chance

[terse bronze]

Sure give me a sec i'm generating it

[coral path]

No ai lmao

[terse bronze]

What AI ?

[void stream]

Wow this IA is really good

[terse bronze]

I'm generating it with my Arcaneum powers

[coral path]

Dope af

I like the last one

[terse bronze]

Another one

[coral path]

This one is just good

[terse bronze]

althought they might be early 15thc i can't recall exactly but i kow for a fact they also appear during HS timeframe

[coral path]

Do you know the sources by chance?

[terse bronze]

nop sorry i just had them in my folders

a reverse search might help you tho

[magic sand]

Why is the handle so skinny? It looks like it would snap in half if you swung it too hard

[coral path]

This guy's still here lmao

This isn't a reference

[dusty orbit]

its for skinny swordsmen

imagine if a skinny man had a really thick sword he would look ridiculous

jokes aside will we see this ingame? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763362370248376333/1448896383141548072/videoplayback-1.mp4?ex=693ced68&is=693b9be8&hm=cc4204adb53918ea623bd341be221c33861f087ed75c5c681a15ca05f5ebc9ad&

[steep yoke]

siegmeyer shield

[dusty orbit]

sieg meyer's civilisation

[steep yoke]

Civ 5 was highkey fun asf

[dusty orbit]

was?

[steep yoke]

Was as in I don't play it anymore

[dusty orbit]

well its still fun to this day

[steep yoke]

Yeah i got it on steam might play it again

[terse bronze]

this doesn't fit the game's setting

[coral path]

Is this even European?

[terse bronze]

isnt it like russian or something

[coral path]

No idea

[dusty orbit]

its the most complex shield in history

[coral path]

Yeah but it is definitely not hs era

[terse bronze]

Or maybe italian honestly i dont fucking care it looks ass imo and doesn't fit the game

[coral path]

Yup

[dusty orbit]

yeah i agree

[coral path]

It looks dark souls af

Real fantasy like too

I don't even know if its historical either but I'd like to see a historical example

[terse bronze]

it is

it's a "lantern shield"

just checked and yeah it's italian

but 16-17thc

[coral path]

Idk it looks terrible

Ill stick with my pavise

[terse bronze]

so true

[void stream]

Ill stick with my Tabulaccio shield

[quaint shore]

fiore de libre shenanigans

[terse bronze]

that's WAY past fiore dei liberi's lifetime

[quaint shore]

i know but

it looks like smth you’d see in his manual

no diss to fiore but WHAT the fuck is a lasso polearm

[terse bronze]

My fav is still the toxic pollaxe

Peak

[bright token]

Kinda wish this helm would show up but it’s look too early for the game time frame

Also probably jousting helm lol

[spiral drum]

jousting would be sick ngl

[lone osprey]

if they just add a pointier armet with a form fitting wrapper, that will satisfy pretty much the same itch for me

[coral path]

I def want to see a wrapper on an armet for tournaments

With a giornea... of course

[restive geyser]

Do not diss the goat

I learned from his manuals

[restive geyser]

I love all of Fiore pole weapon teachings

Other Fencing masters: Use sharp ends to deliver violent ends.

Fiore: BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!

[weak halo]

I hope that at some point they add crowds like in that painting and that they make a random lady just be the default bald Willie in a dress

[quaint shore]

me too

[weak halo]

From White Well Arms

[boreal plinth]

expensive potato peeler u got there

[weak halo]

Not mine, sadly
It is up for sale though iirc

[thorny otter]

As much as I love the looks, his weapons are a bit on the shorter and heavier side to my taste. But this one is really cool.

[weak halo]

Do you know anyone who ordered swords from him?

[coral path]

Bros wearing a bascinet in 1475

(Ik they're trying to depict antiquity but its goofy af)

[weak halo]

Iirc people here have debated that the old armor could be explained by those characters being mercenaries or something

[coral path]

It also takes place in a Bible scene so thier trying to depict more antiquity armor

[weak halo]

Yeah, but right across them there's people in full 15th century plate armor

[coral path]

Yeah which is confusing, so maybe they are actually militia of sorts

[thorny otter]

from swords i had only some hmb falchion in hand, so cant be judge there, i am talking about the axes

[weak halo]

Yeah, I understood that which is why I was asking if you knew someone who did order a sword from him

[coral path]

I've also never seen a 14th century bascinet in a 1475 manuscript either though

[weak halo]

Me neither

I really dislike old gear being used with "new" gear

[coral path]

This

Reminds me of mordhau

[weak halo]

Yeah

Full plate with great helm

[restive geyser]

I assume, this is just me with my limited knowledge, that the artist is trying to depict mercs or some kind of low end army who has this armor that was clearly taken

And stolen off of

[robust tendon]

its just artists trying to depict the past

they draw bassinets to show 'this happened a long time ago'

but it's weird because it also shows seemingly modern equipment for 1475

[restive geyser]

Which is why i think that they are just trying to a depict a militia with some possibly stolen shit.

Or he trying to depict advancements of technology?? Idk, its likely just either a basic mistake or he thought the bascinet was cool

[robust tendon]

yeah but it's not trying to depict a militia, it's supposed to be soldiers at Christ's crucifixion

[restive geyser]

I mean, it was likely very limited information regarding who was actually there at the time

Do you all think hammer affixed Poleaxes were more common than Axe affixed poleaxes?

Just asking as a general question

I see them a lot more compared to axe poleaxes in art

[terse bronze]

Aeternis on top

[robust tendon]

i don't think there's really a way to quantify

[restive geyser]

Well maybe?

Fencing manuals show a hammer poleaxe

[terse bronze]

Cold guess out of the blue I'd say axe heads

[restive geyser]

And suggest smashing

But that could also be just because the fencers had those on hand

[robust tendon]

that doesn't really mean it was more common or that axe heads were less common

just what they decided to depict

maybe there is a mention somewhere where x manual recommends a hammer head rather than an axe

[robust tendon]

yeah this is my uneducated guess too

[terse bronze]

Also remember that a pollaxe is a composite weapon, you can have an axe, or hammer or both

Or a beak and axe

[restive geyser]

But also we have to like remember something

[terse bronze]

Or a beak and hammer

[restive geyser]

This

And that

Poleaxe had only one variant for an axe head, meanwhile a hammer could come in different shapes

[terse bronze]

Eeeh not really

[restive geyser]

Something else that should probably be known

[terse bronze]

Pollaxes have many variants for axes, beaks, hammers and daggers

It really is the ultimate custom weapon

Not even mentioning the queue

[restive geyser]

The sad thing though, we may never fully know what was preferred

I'd like to imagine the axe was likely cheaper than the hammer

[terse bronze]

It might just be down to literal individual preferences tbh

[robust tendon]

yea like a lot of things

[terse bronze]

So not really quantifiable with a' accurate metric

[robust tendon]

maybe someone could compare fighting with a hammer pollax and an axe head pollax and see which one is more useful, idk

[restive geyser]

Both could do anti-armor, so you weren't losing the positive of another in a poleaxe

[robust tendon]

well the axe/hammer head isnt rly 'anti armor'

the dague/dagger/spike is what is most used iirc

to stab gaps ofc

[restive geyser]

In fiore manual

He mentions that the spike could pen certain breastplates

[terse bronze]

"anti armor", stabbing, grappling, leverage, they all can do that

[restive geyser]

But the legitimacy of that is sort of unknown

[terse bronze]

Items of armor certainly did occasionally failed

[restive geyser]

And idk if he could possibly be referring to cheap armor

[robust tendon]

depends highly on the armor quality as far as i know

[restive geyser]

Or expensive armor

[robust tendon]

some lower quality pieces could be penetrated easier than the high end shit

[terse bronze]

A little estoc through the tonlet keep the doctor away!!

[lone osprey]

they specify in the gospels that it is the soldiers of the governor who take him and crucify him. there wasn't any ambiguity about this in late medieval art lol it was an established tradition

[robust tendon]

yeah romans specifically

i think

[restive geyser]

In those manuals he also doesn't rly use the actual hammer\axe

Besides the backside, and the side of the poleaxe to bash them

[robust tendon]

also where you are striking, armor isn't uniform thickness

some areas could be quite thin

[restive geyser]

It's rly confusing

[restive geyser]

Thanks for the clarification

[lone osprey]

yeah because judea was a roman province by then

[restive geyser]

But when i did hema, i never did do Poleaxe, I've said it multiple times I've done Spear

[terse bronze]

Remember that, in this case the pollaxe, the weapon isn't just the cross, it's the ENTIRE object every part was used in one or many ways

[restive geyser]

There is someone here that does do Poleaxe hema

[robust tendon]

wonder why we don't see more 'antique' looking armor, they did try depict armor in a way they think looked 'roman'

but not always

[restive geyser]

And does i think do Fiore

[robust tendon]

thats something i always found strange

[restive geyser]

Yes

Honestly

[terse bronze]

You can defo use a pollaxe as such too, iicr estocs are the most or one of the most common uses of a pollaxe

[restive geyser]

If you were to ask me, i think the hanmer or axe part

Wasn't rly commonly used, because so much teachings just tell you to not use it

And the ones that do

Sort of tell you to use in weird angles or positions

So to me

I think that part was the

"Shit has gone sour"

[terse bronze]

https://youtu.be/r3sCcRk5Qs4?si=VYQ5jVskSzmncIjD

[restive geyser]

But this is also assuming that every man who wielded a poleaxe in combat

Wasn't going to just go and use that part

[restive geyser]

Now that i think about

I think the simple answer to why

Is because it was simply slow

Why do such big easy to parry movements when you can deliver a much more punishable one if you simply parry and riposte or smack them with the side to deliver a still fairly violent blow

[coral path]

I mean... technically you can do that

[restive geyser]

well, my teacher told me that big movements are unneeded, you can always deliver a small movement and still do insane damage to the human body. We aren't carrying bricks, we are using very sharp and dangerous weapons that can still cut someone head almost off by just doing basic small movements

[coral path]

This is the reason. I meant without hema knowledge lol

[restive geyser]

Well, maybe.

i think every soldier in the medieval times

were knowledgeable of how dangerous and deadly weapons WERE

even your basic peasant was dangerous with a weapon

hell one killed a Duke with a halberd

which is why PART OF me believes a lot of hema movements expect your enemy to be dumber than you or slower than you

which, if you compare how war works.

"Would the medieval knight beat the unarmored peasant" oh well ofc, but that peasant can always come out on top depending on what they are equipped with weapon wise

[coral path]

Depends on a lot of things. He has to parry every attack given

[restive geyser]

the most untrained soldiers, can still win if there equipped with the most dangerous weaponry compared to someone who has something just a BIT less deadly

[restive geyser]

that is true

but its similar to like modern war

if you give a child a gun, and an adult

both untrained

who is more deadly?

well, both are.

its similar to medieval war, two untrained soldiers.

one has a longsword and the other too, both are dangerous people.

[coral path]

It does depend on if someone is literally stupid tho

I mean like real dumb

There's a lot of really dumb people around

If they don't understand the consequences or concept of fighting in general then they will do whatever it takes. Meaning they will use their time, effort, and strength to win

Those that were "trained" or self taught over time will understand bigger consequences.

[scenic wadi]

a key part of inexperience in fighting is people not addressing threats/shielding themselves from harm

[coral path]

Meaning they will use their strength, time, and effort when needed most in the middle of battle. It's why smaller movements are more efficient even when both opponents are intelligent enough to understand themselves

[scenic wadi]

less is more until you actually do need to use more

[coral path]

This

[scenic wadi]

most people burn themselves going 100% from the get-go

[coral path]

It's a major part of jiu jitsu and many other martial arts

Like hema

[restive geyser]

Oh why ofc

[scenic wadi]

i'm a kendoka so it's pretty much the same as most other conventional martial arts

[restive geyser]

this is very true

I was able to spar a few people in spear hema

and some people tried to do explosive movements

or do very daring stabs, or smacks

now, i wouldn't call sparing partners uneducated

mainly because this was after i got out of Hema and started to learn more Fiore teachings through manuals online and such, but some people to put it lightly

have emotions that aren't trained well

samofsaturn has a good story about this

you should ask him about it some time

[coral path]

I wouldn't call it emotions as much as just a way someone will think for some reason 100% energy and strength is key to success. (which isn't true at all).

There will be people with big emotions but they are eventually taught it is the key to failure.

[restive geyser]

for sure

but a lot of it is emotions

not wanting to lose

Anger, and stuff like that

sometimes stress even

[coral path]

I bet it was common during the middle ages.

But so was depression and anxiety like that led to ptsd.

Geoffroi de charny talks about this

[restive geyser]

pride is a powerful yet terrible emotion to have

yet when did Hema

shit was the only thing i had

"my ancestors must've felt fucking badass carrying this stick around." Me in my head during Hema

[coral path]

Pride is a power that can be used for many things that lead to failure and success

I wouldn't really say failure.

[restive geyser]

I just took pride in my coat of arms during Hema

[coral path]

Especially if your learning. You take it as a failure when its a success

[restive geyser]

despite knowing little of it

[coral path]

It's also a major part of your mind oneself has to conquer which is big with emotions in hema and many martial arts. I bet it was very common in the middle ages.

[restive geyser]

Yes.

a lot of martial arts is making sure yourself is in a good state of mind and a calm one

[coral path]

It is a major part of learning through hardship and getting pride in the darkest areas of what your mind creates as "failure." It creates a consciousness like no other.

Im not too sure how this was taught in the middle ages, but it must have been a hell of a journey if you did.

[terse bronze]

i asked him and he told me he was drunk when writing this so.. wtver i guess...

[restive geyser]

He was speaking fire while drunk

[coral path]

His book is great

(Of course my adhd won't let me retain any of it) but I remember enjoying it a ton

[vivid solar]

Hey, say that again
https://youtu.be/L_dYaxWETv8?si=v3tW2CmR0pxntUb7

[restive geyser]

Probably what he would've listened too also

[coral path]

Good malware should make some metal for this game

[restive geyser]

We need music with like

Orchestra

We have like one

But i am talking like

[coral path]

Vocals n stuff

[restive geyser]

French, English and Occitan type music

[coral path]

Would be sick

[restive geyser]

Where they sang about religion and murdering there foes in violent matters

[restive geyser]

Every medieval nation could be explained with the songs they sung

https://youtu.be/7UvesKl8_W8?si=327UsHGkWlAvHk33

A lot of these songs on youtube come from fairly "unknown" sources

[vivid solar]

??

There's no Orchestra in the halfsword OST afaik

[restive geyser]

The song that plays when you like first open half sword

That's jt

Not rly singing

It's just some form of vocals

[vivid solar]

I dont think that's an orchestra

Do you mean a choir?

[restive geyser]

Whatever it is, but i am just saying overall

We need songs with vocals

Especially so much medieval songs featured vocals

Mostly Military songs

And religious songs

[vivid solar]

We definitely have other tracks with vocals

No singing though

[restive geyser]

But the vocals that have been reproduce by bands and orchestras, is so fucking badass

Ofc we don't know THEY sang those songs

So we can only assume

[vivid solar]

An orchestra is like classical music. Huge string section, lots of brass, woodwinds, etc.

A choir is a bunch of vocalists and singers

[restive geyser]

https://youtu.be/voXt4SRsD2M?si=Wyzd58HA8GzMZA_D

Here a recreation of an anti-english song

Made by the French

Again it must be stated like

Heavily stated

We don't know what these songs would've sound like

These recreations are just general ideas

Oh if your wondering what they're saying, the song is basically about France rules honestly while england is self crowned, and also says England is a invader and trying to take france away from the people.

Basic anti-x military song

[vivid solar]

This is really cool

Though this itself says its from the renaissance

[restive geyser]

The album lists it at like 13-16th century

[vivid solar]

Also it's not an orchestra. Sounds like a timpani, solo trumpet, harpsichord, and a choir

[restive geyser]

This song is like i think from the 13th century

Judging by the lyrics, probably even older

[restive geyser]

https://youtu.be/xdCIKfwKJ40?si=uIe2g4L8X6LBm3Nz

Here it with translation

[restive geyser]

I am not a expert in music, if sounds cool i like it. Don't worry go much further than that, i am just sending like medieval era songs and music

[vivid solar]

Lol

Fair enough

I asked Good Malware why he doesnt use any brass and he said he doesnt want it to sound like classical music

So he'll probably stick with the same pallete

Lyrical songs or some chants and stuff would be sickk, though it'd prob require singers and idk if that's in the HS budget

[restive geyser]

Albigenisan crusade songs are the toughest shit ever doe

[restive geyser]

Eh that's fair

But a lot of medieval songs that have been reproduced

Don't always sound like classical songs

https://youtu.be/Ywj0K-oRc5A?si=60bxZjevUnOkybIz

Occitan folk song

[coral path]

Check out this cuirass

Made by elthien armory in Czech

[vivid solar]

Specifically he said this

[restive geyser]

I think he on the right track

A lot of medieval music uses instruments that we reproduce and some come out sounding a bit different than the original at times, so it's hard to reproduce some things. Still wish we had lyrics, or better yet just reproduce some real medieval songs and put them into half sword.

You can't copyright folk songs

Media Vita was a super popular song among Crusaders that was originally a Georgian war chant then basically almost all of Europe used the song as a chant, even France used it for other purposes outside of crusaders. (The examples few, it was likely a song of morale for the already fairly religious french military.)

[terse bronze]

OCCITANIA MENTION RAAAAHHH

LENGUADOC N°1

ROMANCE SONG CAPITAL OF THE WORLD

[restive geyser]

I said i was making this heraldry in half sword ea

[terse bronze]

Based

[restive geyser]

I await my destiny

[terse bronze]

Ngl I'm glad more and more people get familiar with my culture

[coral path]

I will NOT be making burgundian heraldry

[terse bronze]

It's insane of occitan was important during the middle ages

Literally the whole romantic minstrel archetype is from there

[restive geyser]

I love Occitan stuff because there songs kickass

And besides from what I've seen

They had some cool ass armor

[terse bronze]

They didn't really have anything special as far as I know

In term of armor

Inside of us there's 2 occitan

One is contemplating his own doom
https://youtu.be/aCDGd9arng8?si=OGdYndT5UP91FZzG

The other is wrecking the tavern while seducing the local lord's wife
https://youtu.be/H7dQgzlQTJQ?si=rQ6QEF2zxlh6zDf_

[restive geyser]

Funny enough, i don't like English medieval military songs despite my heritage. I mostly listen to French songs or Occitan

They just sound a lot more powerful to me and badass sounding

Especially when some of there lyrics for these songs

Are about dying gracefully because england sucks

[terse bronze]

There's something in occitan culture pretty much inherited from Cathars about death tbh

And what here we call "bon vivant" (living good)

Dance, Party, Eat, Drink, Laugh and enjoy everything

[coral path]

Essays incoming

[restive geyser]

Media Vita, a morale song used by the French around the 13th century years after they originally sung it in the crusades has a part that is ingrained into my mind, "In you, our fathers placed their hopes. They placed their hopes and you freed them." 🔥

They stole the song from Georgia

But GAWD DAMN

If i heard this shit in the medieval times before my sudden death in a battlefield, bitch i will run first down the field

[terse bronze]

https://youtu.be/RGXUyQfbdBY?si=7CZcCqI0zrffnEkR

There's this song which is, funnily enough used as a lullaby now

Why "funnily enough" ?

Because the story behind this song is about an occitan revolutionary getting beaten to death on the wheel

He's "dancing" because of the pain of having his bones broken

[restive geyser]

I heard of a similar song i think

But the one i heard was anti-france

[terse bronze]

Might exist

I will literally always remember this song I learned as a kid in my school for carnaval

https://youtu.be/6Z4nkRKT7Ug?si=EvhFq_j8AflKejE_

Sadly never had the occasion to fully learn occitan

[restive geyser]

It be like that

I had the option to learn Magyar back in school

Never took it...

[terse bronze]

Zamn

[restive geyser]

https://youtu.be/MXWgoKP1AOU?si=vx-Dsp0AupvZJjjM

Roland song

But it kickass

[terse bronze]

In Norwegian lol

It's like making 1415 french song in english

But yeah it's dope

My father name is Rolland

[restive geyser]

That's like more badass

Imagine being sung about by Norwegians

Frankish were badass

[terse bronze]

Yeah but they were ennemies with Norwegians kinda lol

Well, saxons, vikings and shit

[restive geyser]

That's what makes it cool!

It's like your enemy respecting you

[terse bronze]

Few now that viking swords are actually Frankish in design

[restive geyser]

Because they had like every right to

I am related to emperor Charlemagne, much like any other European

But he called the father of Europe for a reason

[terse bronze]

Europe really is just a huge household tbh

[restive geyser]

Big man basically made what eventually would be the stepping stones of Europe

[terse bronze]

Charlemagne.. Valois.. Bourbons...

[restive geyser]

It's hard being as badass as he was

He also singlehandedly united the entirety of the Frankish people. He truly was just that cool

And was born in like, what is now modern day Belgium

The only good thing to come from there 💔

[terse bronze]

So true

Wanna hear a french joke about belgians

[restive geyser]

Oh, there a ton

But yes

[terse bronze]

Y'know why belgians carry a car door in the desert ?

[restive geyser]

Why?

[coral path]

Jesus christ

[terse bronze]

To open the window if it gets too hot

[coral path]

Jizzed

[restive geyser]

Beautiful

[terse bronze]

I have so much more

[coral path]

Wanna be france

[terse bronze]

They're probably the people we joke the most about

[coral path]

True

[restive geyser]

During like 1812. There was a lot of foreign units

Involving belgian mercs or like soldiers ingeneral

I remember everyone hated them

[terse bronze]

Y'know why there's huge piles of shit in from of Belgian stores ?

[restive geyser]

Belgium for some reason has like a very poor track record of people liking them

[restive geyser]

Oh no

[terse bronze]

Because there's a sign with "PUSH" written on it

[restive geyser]

I don't hate belgians, this must be known. I am like 3% belgian myself, which isn't much but it's honest work. But Belgium, despite being small... has a very... fun ahem, track record involving Africa. This is where we move on from thy discussion

[terse bronze]

Belgium greatest asset, fries, aren't even Belgian in origin lol ratio

[restive geyser]

I remember my grandpa on my mom side, wrote that the only thing scarier than a British man, was a Belgian who visted Africa and thinks they have free will 😭

[terse bronze]

Lol

[restive geyser]

For the record he was Irish

[terse bronze]

Anyway time for me to sleep

Gn

[restive geyser]

Gn sire

I have a mission for you green name people, but rn it's not the time

[vocal vale]

what

[restive geyser]

I need sources or anything quite literally, regarding the chessmen coat of arms. Because i can't find anything

I know it's a name registered under a coa

But i can't find anything regarding the actual coa

And it's brutal to find a coa, especially when the family in question is just about extinct name wise

[bright token]

Love the red sallet, it's probably a fabric covered sallet like the modern reproduction by Maks Izobov. Froissart chronicle stuff saved from Medieval advisor page.

[fleet junco]

whay is he wearing

[restive geyser]

That's a doublet with blue hosens

And some kind of sallet

[restive geyser]

This is like a padding they put over it i am pretty sure for heraldry, I've seen some examples but this is my favorite

Very cool looking

[carmine axle]

Where is his chin?

Willie has a chin, not historically accuraye

Accurate

[outer fiber]

Willie somehow has access to iodine

[slate mulch]

occitan music is so fucking peak

[dim gust]

look at the proportions of the guy in the back lol

[restive geyser]

Heeey

This art is fairly good

Despite the errors

Back then most pro artist couldn't even make a horse look normal

Without it looking like it crawled out of hell itself

[vocal vale]

not padding, just decor

i don’t see anything heraldic other than the ornament you could wear with it

they mostly look the same

[coral path]

It was also velvet

It would be heraldric if it was the crest during a tourny

Otherwise I'd still wear one on a battlefield anyway

[restive geyser]

oh alright, i assumed it was use for Heraldry cus uh colors.

[coral path]

also the argument of breastplates, id like to say (if we wanted to get technical) they date back to Mycenean Ancient Greek period. If we wanted to talk about "proper breastplates" they weren't made until mid 14th century

I havent seen an early 13th century "proper" breastplate

[restive geyser]

but the thing is like, the term is super broad, the dictionary even just says its something that protects the chest

the Aegis chestpiece we see in statues of ancient greek, is conisdered a "breastplate" despite it literally protecting jack shit

[coral path]

well let me ask you, if the mail shirt protects my chest then is it a breastplate?

[restive geyser]

well ofc not, a Mail shirt is a protective piece for more than just the chest

it can cover the waist

arms

[coral path]

but it protects my chest...

[coral path]

the mail shirt covers the chest...

mail is armor

[terse bronze]

corset 🤓

corselet 🤓

jaquette de haubergerie 🤓

[coral path]

wtf

[restive geyser]

you broke kevlar audio receptors

[terse bronze]

hi

[coral path]

dont say visored skullcap

or barbute

[restive geyser]

yeah, but its more of a shirt.

[coral path]

well its a piece of armor covering the chest

[coral path]

mail can also be a gorget, not just a shirt

[restive geyser]

well yeah

[robust tendon]

maille can be many things

[coral path]

this

[restive geyser]

look idk what is what with these corn ball dictionary terms we have in modern times, a modern vest covers the chest

but we call that a platecarrier

[terse bronze]

visored barbute !!!!

[robust tendon]

klappvisor barbute

[terse bronze]

few will get it

[quaint shore]

IT IS A BASCINET MY LIEGE

[coral path]

wait does this fit the games time period?

[restive geyser]

i will put a visor on my kettle helm

[terse bronze]

"not really"

[vocal vale]

definitely NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coral path]

yeah i didnt think so

[terse bronze]

for the greek/italian sphere i could see it in like 1450 but it would probably be pushing it

[restive geyser]

i mean

if its Italian

then it should be fine

[terse bronze]

right helmet is part of the gear found at chalcis

[vocal vale]

i’m pretty sure that’s dated like 1390 isn’t it ?

[restive geyser]

We need Hungarian stuff

[terse bronze]

yeah but such "early barbutes" bascinets were still used past the 1400s

as well as "venetian greatbascinets"

[restive geyser]

i think they allow "Some" hungarian stuff

[coral path]

so were adargas

[terse bronze]

well adargas were used up until the 19th century so

if we get iberian gear we definitely need adargas

[restive geyser]

the thing is, idk if Iberian stuff is on there list of allowed nations

i think they only said

Hungarian, French, italian, Germany, and maybe Swiss?, and English

[terse bronze]

from the pinned message but yeah it's true it would be cool to have a clear annuncement that yes, iberia is considered

[restive geyser]

oh sweet

bit weird that Swiss isn't there

[terse bronze]

Might be implied in HRE territories

[restive geyser]

but wasn't Switzerland not one of them?

[terse bronze]

Yeah thats why I said implied kinda

[restive geyser]

eh, just weird

especially since we have the Halberd

[terse bronze]

HRE (Germany, Burgundy, Austria ect) + italy + france I mean it's just make sense that Switzerland would be counted aswell

[restive geyser]

ig

yeah thats fair

[restive geyser]

mind me asking: What is that on the helmets? This is a painting from like 1340-1360 Italy, i just find it a bit funny looking

it looks like a visor, but i really can't tell what it is

[haughty creek]

Could it be a bretache?

[restive geyser]

it is a Bascinet

I think

[haughty creek]

I mean on the Bascinet

[lone osprey]

swiss are by name in the empire, but practically not, until 1648 according to joachim whaley

[restive geyser]

this is a BIT weird

[lone osprey]

not really

[restive geyser]

So basically: they weren't technically fully independent?

[restive geyser]

yeah i think your right

[lone osprey]

basically people like Maximilian regarded them as part of the empire and wanted to tax them but they were independent in practice

[restive geyser]

to be fair

Burgundy and Swiss

hated each other

so much

This could be just a way to piss each other off, but again this is me talking

[lone osprey]

that's not really related

[terse bronze]

bunch of bascinets and yeah some do look like they have a bretache/breteche/nasal whatever you wanna call it

[lone osprey]

the Swabian / Schweizer Krieg of 1499 grew out of regional hatred between southern germans and swiss and Maximilian as King of the Romans had also wanted to tax them at that time

[restive geyser]

we should mention the fucking mother of all bevors

that dude has in the back lol

[terse bronze]

Burgundians try not to run and cry to HRE emperor challenge (impossible difficulty)

[lone osprey]

Maximilian had to come out of an active conflict in the low countries to take command in the 1499 war and for it to completely fall apart. he came around in the later stage

[restive geyser]

so true

Swiss Confederacy, jump Burgundy again.

[restive geyser]

i do know Maximilian wasn't a huge fan of the Swiss Confederacy

much like 90% of medieval europe to be honest

[lone osprey]

eh european powers seemed happy to ally themselves with the swiss and employ their mercenaries

Maximilian tried to employ swiss troops on several occaisions as late as 1516 lol

[terse bronze]

could also be something like this

[restive geyser]

you also have to remember, that like Swiss soldiers were like the shit

they were for some reason

[lone osprey]

their place within the empire is that they were just practically independent but regarded by some in what is today germany and austria as still being part of the empire

[restive geyser]

rly good at killing people they were hired to kill

[lone osprey]

yeah and that made the swiss appealing allies not 90% hated lol

[restive geyser]

some fuckass peasant from the Swiss Confederacy killing a Duke 🔥

[restive geyser]

maybe

a lot of paintings i see of Switzerland foot soldiers and man at arms

wear Bascinets

super faded painting, but 1390-1410, Switzerland.

you can see some kettle helms, and some old halberd designs on the left side

and Bascinets on the far right

hard to make out what the man in the middle is wearing

[vocal vale]

only up to 1420 as far as i’ve seen

[restive geyser]

we can prob find something a bit earlier

i mean there is an example of Coif's in the 1450s-1470s.

I know what the steel skirt is, but like... the fuck is this armor?

the painter was Konrad Witz, this is religious art. the title of the painting is Sabobai And Benaiah. Going through Konrad other art pieces involving armor, he had a pretty odd fascination with like these bigger than normal armor pieces and making it abnormal.

I just find the steel skirts kind of cool, would love to see them in Half sword somehow

1435, Germany.

wondering if someone can find something a bit sooner but idk

[lone osprey]

https://zettelfencer.wordpress.com/2024/12/07/an-attempt-at-establishing-a-kastenbrust-typology/

[restive geyser]

thanks!

though

i am curious what the hook on his armor is there for

i've seen it before i think in other art

but its just kind of strange

[lone osprey]

it's a lance rest

[restive geyser]

oh cool, thank you

another Konrad Witz painting.

1435(?), the source of this one says Switzerland. but that could be taken with a grain of salt.

another religious painting, "Abishai Kneeling before David" is the name of this one, i think most of the stuff he is wearing is in the game, besides the helmet.

[lone osprey]

no grain of salt required lol Konrad Witz was a south german painter who worked primarily in what is today switzerland

you can barely see what he is wearing and assuming he has a form of these on - they are not in the game and may not be, it depends if they were used from 1450-70

[restive geyser]

Ah thank you, i am saying those words because the other painting source said Germany

Which is why i was a bit confused

[restive geyser]

I can likely find this painting source else where and see

This is a religious painting

Which whatever they wear

Is taken with a grain of salt

[fiery gorge]

boobs

[restive geyser]

Because it could just be used to Because it looks powerful

And religious painting like to exaggerate

[lone osprey]

eh its fairly obvious based on other images that Witz was painting armour that was contemporaneous to him

[restive geyser]

Yeah

He was around from 1400-1445 i am pretty sure

So armor is close to time frame, just me or someone else needs to find those same pieces used later on

Like around the game actual time frame

[lone osprey]

theres already a tonlet armour and a kind of 'kastenbrust' being added to the game though?

[lone osprey]

if you actually read this it will tell what which types are approximately most suited to the game's time frame

[restive geyser]

I couldn't and still can't 💔

I will read it later

[lone osprey]

similar pauldrons to those in witz's paintings appear in the 1450s so there ya go 👍

[restive geyser]

Thank you!

[coarse jay]

is there any multiplayer mod goys

[void stream]

no

[restive geyser]

Two things

Number 1: #halfsword-chat-⚔

Number 2: There is multiplayer, it's called wars. Mass pvp matches, between nations. Battle of Agincourt was the shit!!

@coral path you don't get it?!

[coral path]

No, I dont

[restive geyser]

The joke is like right there, he asked about mp, and he said it in references. So i mentioned a medieval battle and called it a mass multiplayer match 💔

[coral path]

Jesus christ. Shame on me mb

Makes more sense now because my first thought was thats not a reference

[restive geyser]

The joke was explained the funny is gone, but your fine lol

[coral path]

[restive geyser]

But anyways, i got some update on that coat of arms my family was in. My dad, casually, and i mean casually tells me his grandpa last name was: Chessman

His name was like Clerk Chessman

[karmic mulch]

are there any plans to add any stupid big greatswords?

[restive geyser]

How tf you gonna just tell me this shit so casually

[karmic mulch]

i know the Zweihänder is too late but are there any in the the era of the game?

[restive geyser]

Ehhh not rly

[karmic mulch]

sadge

[restive geyser]

The biggest we have in game is like the biggest we'll probably ever have

Bigger swords didn't see a influx till 16th century

[karmic mulch]

i love swords taht are essentially polearms

fair enough

i do love the knight sword

[restive geyser]

But

BUT

[restive geyser]

I think the Montante was around in the 15th century

[karmic mulch]

but i doubt it would be in the region

its very spanish

[restive geyser]

But sources with it

Is small

[restive geyser]

Spain is allowed in this game, sire

[karmic mulch]

oh i thought it was just germany

[restive geyser]

Spain, Hungaria, Switzerland, France, Germany, Britain, Italy

[karmic mulch]

ah i see

[restive geyser]

Half of the armor bro is from Italy

The sallet is italian

[karmic mulch]

look man

[restive geyser]

The halberd is from Switzerland

[karmic mulch]

look man