references♥_1450-1470

[terse bronze]

also we need those wide spears/partisans

[radiant plank]

estimated to the 50s or 60s

[radiant plank]

Hey, that was still a good picture

[prisma raven]

Piero della francesca, san michele, 1469

[radiant plank]

More Italian-style gear would basically give the lower tiers a massive glow-up

[terse bronze]

it's true

And french too ngl

brigandines, jacks, standalone maille haubergeons, with hoquetons on it... o mama...

[vocal vale]

the breastplates and mittens and the entire “full harness” are italian

churburg stuff

[lone osprey]

I want scalloped clothes to go with the armours

[open jackal]

Source on the second image? I’m really finding the front facing horse amusing.

[lone osprey]

https://onb.digital/result/10FFC8E5

[open jackal]

Thanks

[lone osprey]

who you calling amusing

the messenger
I want those knee bands
quintessential peasantcore

[vocal vale]

called garters

[open jackal]

There was one posted here where the fella was warming his feet by the fire and I liked that one

Cause he was real

[lone osprey]

ya true
Im just used to Knieband

[vocal vale]

thats cool

[lone osprey]

and it's a german messenger in a german playing card

[lone osprey]

and garter is I guess beinband or hosenband really

[fallen schooner]

Maille footy

About 85% sure it's in period

The source I got it from stated mid 15th century from the Museo Gonzaga, but if anyone could point out an exact year that'd be much appreciated

[lone osprey]

heck yeah

[lone osprey]

James G. Mann who wrote about those armours doesn't seem to provide a more precise date than 15th century for the legs. but he also says the c.1440 avant armour mail shoes are original

theyre def in the timeframe

[fallen schooner]

awesomesauce

i feel like itd be good for man at arms tier, or some sabaton variation for highest tier

would love to see some mail shoes on my willie

pause.

[fleet junco]

italian maile decoration

[wraith dew]

Quick Question; How fucked would you be If your armor ~ { Preferably Gothic Plate } was made of Mild Steel, and you were going up against 1460’s Heavy Mounted Cavalry? ~ { Germanic btw }

[sonic stump]

Helmet gore

[silver heart]

depends on a boatload of factors? even then a lot of it likely isn’t even gonna come down to the armor itself

are you also mounted in this scenario? what weapons do you have at your disposal? what weapons are they currently using? have you already been wounded?

stuff like that

[bright token]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/23289847605

Nice armour, I like his fluted( is that how you call it?) couter wing, and it's rare for me to see German armour with hinges on the cuirass. Was it actually more common than I thought?

[lone osprey]

Think that type of decoration is called cusping, and each point is a cusp. Royal Armouries and Wallace Collection have nice super specific descriptions of decorations.

Oh but youre totally right too the inner parts look fluted. For some reason i ignored that and assumed you were just referring to the pointy parts

[tepid edge]

I just want the mail armpit protection

[next orchid]

both are correct!

although i will say it is hilarious that marozzo portrays the underhand technique as being the one that you should not think is bad

completely foreign mindset

[radiant plank]

Pretty sure he says it's not bad because you can then transition into a two-handed grip

[next orchid]

yes

[radiant plank]

So not necessarily for any utility other than that

[next orchid]

the implication is that you will use it underhand

and then transition when needed (although i think he, like Monte, says using it in two hands is superior in general)

either way, we know spears were used underhand

[radiant plank]

I know, it was mostly banter

[next orchid]

smh others dont know that

[radiant plank]

and because I'm annoyed how almost all modern media only depicts underhand, probably because of some crappy video Lindybeige made over a decade ago

[next orchid]

yes

and underhand favors the modern fencing mindset

(ie, obsessed with reach)

[radiant plank]

Nothing has more reach than a surprise throw

[next orchid]

yeah but also one of the advantages given by Pietro Monte to holding the spear overhand (implied: he does not mention underhand at all for shield and partisan IIRC) is that it can fight competently at a closer distance just due to biomechanics

it is funny that it is literally the most versatile method of the two, and can give more powerful blows, yet somehow is seen as the less "military" of the two

[silver heart]

mail voiders is my number one request, always hate when i'll be in the upper two tiers and trying to do some proper half swording and the ai's sword will end up just getting up under my arms and cutting into them with the edge

[silver heart]

also i don't believe these to be period accurate or geographically relevant

[next orchid]

a lot of armor was basically mild steel

they were working with blast furnaces that produced pig iron, and the decarburization process was not exactly a science

even a lot of those that are not "mild steel" by definition are basically right on the edge

and obviously, a lot of the time the carbon content varies inch by inch

but anyways, i think the hardening process and thickness (and slag content) would probably determine the rest

[next orchid]

an extreme example

[dim mauve]

Mild steel is a modern type of steel specifically made to be easily machined, it's incredibly soft, far softer than historical armour.

[next orchid]

mild steel refers to the carbon content

[dim mauve]

I know, mild steel was only common earlier on.

[dim mauve]

You can dent mild steel with a pin hammer without much effort.

[next orchid]

what

no it wasnt

go read the knight and the blast furnace

[next orchid]

the steel was quenched, at least by the 15th century

although not always

[fleet junco]

t

[next orchid]

(L for low carbon/mild steel, M for medium carbon)

behold the glorious hardness of 181 VPH

[silver heart]

happy st. george’s day everyone!

[fleet junco]

happy stgeorge

[terse sorrel]

Happy St. George's day! A little past 1470, I'll admit, but still neat. Saw this in Detroit months ago.

[shrewd haven]

throwables would be fun

[calm creek]

Is it cool to post our own kits here?

anyway, here is my kit, based on the conquest of Asilah in 1471 (i know i know, just past the range) After doing more research about the Iberian peninsula, and everything they imported, I was able to have a little more flexibility with my helmet, as I use it for Hema, and Harnischfechten, and needed something with a closed visor safe for thrusts. I also have an equestrian visor with a wrapper. The original goal was to easily swap out a few parts to go from a foot solider, to nobility on horseback, so my padrones are not exactly right, but I still have fun with it.

[lone osprey]

agreed
assuming this is trustworthy

[wraith dew]

You are dismounted, A knight with the balls & murderous pride enough to fight on foot. You either have a 2 handed standard issue/common Longsword or Zweihander. Possibly even a High Quality flanged mace w/a tower shield. You are unwounded. Enemy is a mounted French Gendarme with a war Lance. His horse is wearing plate just as he is. They're coming at you downhill. Fullsprint.

@silver heart

[terse sorrel]

He'll winnn..

[wraith dew]

Okay! Thx!

^_^

[terse sorrel]

Nah, nah, wait for his actual response, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm just being silly, my bad.

[wraith dew]

I mean, we could speculate just how much of a TBI you'd get from a Metallic Lancepoint to the face...

K-CHUNK

[terse sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/half-sword-playtest-knight-medieval-gif-1006672630590173212

[terse sorrel]

Probably funnier than a proper response, lol.

[silver heart]

gendarme without a doubt

[terse bronze]

absolute gendarme w

the gendarme when you hit him with the dollar store short mace

[wraith dew]

@terse bronze, Would you happen to have any detailed sources and papers that touch upon the subject of ‘Dames’, or just female Knights in general?

Specifically recorded instances of female knights in combat, and how common they were; obviously I know they were definitely much rarer to see than just an occasional female combatant.

I am however, curious to see whether they were decently recurring in terms of command roles of smaller kingdoms.

Or Joan of Arc in her early days of campaigning.

Which yes, I know Joan doesn’t fit perfectly into the timeline, I’m only using them as consensus.

Also, wasn’t it something that occasionally occurred with widows having to take the place of their husband in an army or smth like that?

Or nah?

[terse bronze]

I don't, I'm just aware of a couple of sources mentioning women fighting during sieges for instance because during sieges everyone fights so they end up fighting too but in terms of known women who fought and commanded men I know Jeanne d'Arc and Jeanne de Flandre

[terse bronze]

No idea. I do know that some women went in the "montres" (musters) for their husbands when he couldnt tho there's some instances of that

[wraith dew]

Kk Thx!

[rotund lintel]

i'd love some more mace variety

spiked clubs (in addition to the ballish maces we have currently) and such would be very very nice

maybe a short plancon?

i love the two handed version, but it's obviously pretty unwieldy in game

[wraith dew]

Go bully the devs about weapon customization

Also didn’t they say they were already working on it a while ago?

[weak halo]

What if you could hit people with a little golden Willie head on a stick

[vocal vale]

what’s the red X for?

[verbal bramble]

I assume it is for decoration

[vocal vale]

i’m also wondering what it’s made of

or if it’s attached to any specific order or anything

[verbal bramble]

I know this is a very, very late reply, but do you happen to still have pictures of this kit? I am specially interested on a side view of the cuirass

[lone osprey]

I assumed Burgundian (st andrews cross) cause doesnt he also have a little escutcheon with it on his pauldron

[vocal vale]

ah good eye

i’ve seen those X’s on burgundian stuff but what material are they of

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... Looking at it, it looks like some kind of fabric, definetly not velvet, but other than that I dunno

It doesn't look like leather to me

[prisma raven]

https://flic.kr/p/2oqr7uL

[fleet junco]

omg jesus watch out!

[vocal vale]

i like that portrayal of judas'

very weasely

[terse bronze]

oaarrfghh

france on top for using covered breastplates

[haughty creek]

Is there a particular reason that the fingertips aren’t covered by the gauntlet

[terse bronze]

Idk his own preferences but there's sources of fingertips being "uncovered" or just with mialle, or actual plate

you have the choice

[haughty creek]

Fair enough

[bright token]

Love covered breastplate ! What kind textile was used to cover the breastplate?

[terse bronze]

felt, silk, velvet, linen i think

[verbal bramble]

And, I imagine, fustian was also an option

[terse bronze]

totally forgot about fustian lol

buyt yeah id guess so

[fleet junco]

intergrated vambrace

[silver heart]

yooooo i don’t see mail like that too often, me likes, very pertyyyy

[silver heart]

prolly a dumb question but, were the rivets on the cover just for show or did they actually serve a purpose?

[terse bronze]

both

[silver heart]

neat neat, were they usually only a french thing? that's pretty much only where i see them showing up in art around the time

[terse bronze]

mostly a french(and influanced like flemish for instance) thing

don't think i've ever seen it in german or italian art

closest in italian art would be a giornea worn over the breastplate but under placard

[silver heart]

ooo do you have anything depicting that? sounds quite neat

[silver heart]

also is the placard usually not symmetric with the plate wrapper/gorget?

[terse bronze]

i guess it just wiggled a bit

most of these are spanish but catalonia used a lot of italian fashion

[silver heart]

yoooo i've never seen any of these before, very cool, my pinterest never gives me any good spanish stuff

[pure creek]

The Great Captain during the assault on Montefrío. A work by José de Madrazo.

This is a Spanish armor

[terse bronze]

completely out of the timeframe

[pure creek]

wdym

this painting

[terse bronze]

this is not 1450-1470s armor

and the painting isn't from this period either

[pure creek]

ah

my bad

lemme see the date anyways

[terse bronze]

well the painter was born in 1781 so

[pure creek]

wait

so

the paintings have to be from 14xx?

and not the representation

?

makes no sense

[terse bronze]

It's better if yes

[pure creek]

fineç

but

not even this one

[tiny pagoda]

Presumably paintings from the period are preferred on the basis of accuracy 🤔

[pure creek]

?

ig this one is not good either

[terse bronze]

nah

[pure creek]

👌

[terse bronze]

Victorian era (and around) stuff isn't the best source like at all

[pure creek]

lemme search some more then

[terse bronze]

Like depicting crusade era events with amalgamations of 16thc, 17thc and their own reproduction of what they thought was historical

[pure creek]

is this good

duuuuude

this looks kinda cool

[terse bronze]

la hire & poton Xtra based

[pure creek]

is this good though

[terse bronze]

yur

[pure creek]

alr cool

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[open jackal]

What do you think they are discussing

[pure creek]

maybe its a duel

and they are talking

hmmm

[open jackal]

Batman vs Spiderman

[pure creek]

lol

[open jackal]

Which one is better, that’s what they are talking about

[terse bronze]

they're arguing what is cooler, pollaxes, easy girls, sunday morning at church or spiced wine

[open jackal]

Chatgpt source?

Crazy…

[pure creek]

copilot

chat gpt is mid

[open jackal]

Even worse

[pure creek]

lol

i mean

it got it ig

[open jackal]

Spiced Wine

[terse bronze]

both were comrades of Jeanne d'Arc btw

[pure creek]

niice

[open jackal]

Oh that’s cool

[terse bronze]

La hire died in the 40s iicr and poton survived to be living during the game's timeframe

[open jackal]

That’s pretty cool

[prisma raven]

El Gran Capitán would've probably wore early 16th century Italian or Iberian armor similar to these

[open jackal]

What did Poton really do

[terse bronze]

VAMOOOOOS

[terse bronze]

knight shit 🔥 gang gang

[open jackal]

Riding on a horse…

[terse bronze]

Ok so i forgot what he did so looking at his wiki page rn

[pure creek]

thats is soo cool

i really like

the Spanish Morion

its really dope

although

RIP you face

[terse bronze]

He was at the Siege of Orleans and got wounded, then was at the battle of Patay , forced the angloids to cease the siege of Compiègne, won the battle of Gerberoy with Lahire

[terse bronze]

that was during the hundred years war

[robust tendon]

yars

[terse bronze]

then he did more shit after

[robust tendon]

according to pietro monte it’s not actually all that dangerous

[terse bronze]

Oh lol he and lahire joined a band of "écorcheurs" (basically brigands) and rolled over the netherlands and Lorraine

[robust tendon]

• the many depictions of armored figures with open faced helmets

[terse bronze]

based plundering

[prisma raven]

Por cierto eres Español?

[open jackal]

Wounded at the Siege of Orleans and then back at Patay is some boss shit

[pure creek]

really?? wow

[pure creek]

Claro jajaja

yes

[prisma raven]

Saludos lol

[pure creek]

tu tambien?

[prisma raven]

raro ver a alguien español por aquí

[pure creek]

:)

[terse bronze]

yeah you'll realize the immense majority of helmets throughout history were actually open faced

[pure creek]

jaja

[prisma raven]

Si señor!

[pure creek]

de donde

[prisma raven]

Catalán

[pure creek]

Guau

Yo Granaino

[terse bronze]

i love patay

[pure creek]

osea de Granada

[robust tendon]

That and if you did have a visored helmet you’d use the visor in only certain circumstances

[terse bronze]

AAAAAAAh!!!!!!

un moreno!!!!!!

[pure creek]

lol

no

im white af

[terse bronze]

real

[pure creek]

you speak spanish too...?

lol

or...

[terse bronze]

vivando al sud de francia

[pure creek]

wow

que guay

Oui Oui

[terse bronze]

hablo y entiendo un poco de español, pero no es perfecto claro

[pure creek]

haha

normal

yo super poco Francés

he ido a Francia

esta muy guay

[prisma raven]

Grande, yo tengo un poquito de sangre granadina

[pure creek]

y yo de Barcelona jajaja

fuera coña

[prisma raven]

jajaaj no jodas

[pure creek]

si si

[prisma raven]

que grande

[pure creek]

❤️

[terse bronze]

tobias capwell

[prisma raven]

Que guay en verdad, molaría que hubiese más peña española por aquí

Que seguro que hay supongo

[prisma raven]

Iniesta

[pure creek]

YA VES!

[prisma raven]

real

Pues yo aquí soy como un poco el fan número uno del tema de las armas y armaduras "Ibéricas", pa que me entiendas. No sé cómo sabrás del tema, pero si tienes cualquier duda encantado te intentare ayudar

[prisma raven]

1 - Gastón de Moncada y Cardona, ca. 1515, Convent of Our Lady of the Remedy, Valencia
2 - Recumbent Knight of the Order of Malta, 16th century. Museum, Salamanca
3 - Ramon Folc de Cardona-Anglesola (Bellpuig-Lleida, 1467 — Naples, 1522), Bellpuig (Urgell), Catalonia

[pure creek]

es que son las mejoers jaja

[prisma raven]

Real, aunque personalmente pienso que las flamencas (flemish) e italianas van bastante duras también

[valid venture]

i love this suck ass mordhau🔥🔥

[sand nymph]

"bonk" ahh mf

[white fulcrum]

nro got scared mid sentence 🍤

[forest citrus]

nro⛈️

[terse bronze]

death

[fleet junco]

did he win

[vocal vale]

so fripping peak

[void stream]

hell ye🔥

[prisma raven]

The Castilians

[prisma raven]

https://www.philamuseum.org/collection/object/71217

Spanish brigandine with brigandine spaulders

[terse sorrel]

These are fantastic, when are they from?

[void stream]

https://www.museidigenova.it/en/arazzi-di-alessandro-magno

btw here the full image

[terse sorrel]

❤️‍🔥

[terse sorrel]

The fellow with the boots here, what about this?

[void stream]

well, I assume it's for comfort, but you never know, right?

there could be several reasons

or no lol

[terse sorrel]

Ah, I mean where and when is it from, I never see boots and I really like them.

[void stream]

Oh I'm sorry for the misinterpretation, but I really couldn't find any information about this art.

[terse sorrel]

No worries, still love it!

[void stream]

there's probably a lot of information about it, but I'm too lazy to look it up

[void stream]

Here i found the source 76v-7/ Royal MS 15 D I - bl.uk

Well, I tried to look for it and managed to find it, but unfortunately the page was unavailable.

[terse sorrel]

Not to worry, thanks a thousand anyways.

[verbal bramble]

I am not sure where to ask, and I don't know if this is the right place to ask (if it is not, I will remove it), but I bought this spearhead very recently and I got a question: What time period would this spearhead fit best, if any? The bladed portion is 14cm long, and I provided a cross-section photo if that helps.

[vernal quarry]

Please help me, I'm trying to find depictions of this kind of polehammer but I can't seem to find anything

[fleet junco]

I think kevlar or camacurant or

they might have that

manuscript photoes

[vernal quarry]

Ok I did some investigating and found out it's a plomée

But I'm looking for a manuscript where they use it

I know it shows up in one from david aubert but I can't find it

Right nevermind we found it

[lone osprey]

badass

[vernal quarry]

It was difficult to find

We had to find the actual book in order to figure out where it was

[lone osprey]

there might be one popping up in the background here just over the wall

dont see any horizontal spikes but similar head overall

[vernal quarry]

That one is a maul, but they're similar

https://uurl.kbr.be/1747750

Here's the book

[lone osprey]

oh interesting

[lone osprey]

hey cool, thanks

[vernal quarry]

So that type of polehammer did come up when me and my friends were looking into the plommée

Here's a replica from a museum

It's not exactly a maul because it has a spiked but it looks similar

[vernal quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059192629176311959/1365891983750467594/image0.jpg?ex=680ef589&is=680da409&hm=d7f38212031619eb826a04bc2454312545cc43afb32bb17a24e1d286cd0e3218& Here are some better examples of mauls

[lone osprey]

nice that's very cool to know

[vernal quarry]

If it would work

[lone osprey]

its okay I see it when clicking the link

[vernal quarry]

Here they are anyway :)

I don't know if these are 1450s, they do look like they're from an earlier time like the 1350s-1400s

[lone osprey]

true, still cool to see how it evolved

love this guy. cool to learn the name too

[terse bronze]

plenty of them in french ms

[vernal quarry]

Makes sense considering the term plommée means plume in French (and also because the ones we still have are largely in French museums)

[terse bronze]

Pretty sure plommée means plombée

which means "lead" (the metal)

plume would be plume

(feather)

[vernal quarry]

I got messaged by a friend who wanted me to find the rest of a manuscript that he only had a picture of

[terse bronze]

this one is unmistakably french too, probably from the same illustration Jehan Froissart

[vernal quarry]

You are correct, I looked it up at one point and I think I spelled it wrong cause it gave me some wells

[terse bronze]

"chronique de jehan froissart bnf" on google should lead BnF's results with online ms

[vernal quarry]

Yeah it's also French

Conveniently it's not the first time me and another friend (Unluckykid23) have talked in this server about this manuscript

It came up when we were talking about flame blades swords like a flamberge

This same artist made a manuscript about a fictional character who allegedly had a flame bladed sword, but we looked at the imagery and it was not flame bladed

[terse bronze]

So it's 1467-1472 Histoire de Charles Martel, David Aubert (Auteur), Loyset Liédet (Enlumineur)

[vernal quarry]

Yes David Aubert

Made in France but it's currently at like a library/museum in Belgium (I think)

Honestly we probably should have started with french manuscripts when we began looking

Eh next time we'll start there and work our way around

[terse bronze]

plommée postin

[vernal quarry]

Stunning

Unrelated but what is that shirt over the chest plate called?

I've seen it before but I forget the name

[terse bronze]

we had a massive chat about it some time ago with @lone osprey lol so either schecke, or wappenrock

[vernal quarry]

Ah right a schecke

The wappenrock appears to be an earlier almost tabard cover

Like something for a surcoat

[fleet junco]

do yall think ian laspina ever uses that churburg armet in any sets

[silver heart]

doesn’t he show it off in his video on armets?

[fleet junco]

he does

but i wonder if he has a kit for it

wait i might be uihm

[silver heart]

these are the only kits of his that i’m aware of

[fleet junco]

yeah im wondering if he has like a matching suit of armor for that armet

[ocean crypt]

[viscid rune]

would anyone know of any site or something where i could get credible sources for historical significance/reference to weapons?

[vocal vale]

what do you mean

[viscid rune]

as in like historical information on lets say the greatsword

just stuff like when it was recognized, used, potentially even variations, etc

[silver heart]

exposed fingies

[terse sorrel]

I saw them on the soldier's icon, guess they're real. Very interesting!

[prisma raven]

#references♥_1450-1470 message

[silver heart]

lubv them

you’d never catch me doing that but, tis neat that it was done

i cherish my fingies

[weak halo]

It's not his

Someone lent him the helmet for the video

[fleet junco]

what the flip

thats pretty cool ig

[dim mauve]

Your best bet is books.

Or museum/armoury websites?

[viscid rune]

ill try this, may take me a bit to get books however

thanks! 🫡

[dim mauve]

Yea good fuckin luck, I've been trying to get my hands on certain books for the purpose of making armour and there's this trilogy of books about armour recovered from a church in Italy, each book can only be bought second hand for like £80 at least.

Aparently one of those books is known my armour makers as "The book".

Cus they took all the armour from the church apart and then photographed basically everything.

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJB0TVuN8ny/?igsh=dGppbXhsbm92YXd4

maks_izobov

500 years passed from the drawing to its embodiment in metal. #helmet #armor #history #reenactment

Instagram

Peak

[lone osprey]

that is cool as. love those alla antique wing things on the side

[terse bronze]

(note that he's wearing cuisses and poleyns but no greaves!)

[lone osprey]

stibbert museum isnt it
reminds me of this fella

need more bevors with breathes

[terse bronze]

Yup

Armored upper body and "naked" loser body is such a vibe

[robust tendon]

that and asymmetrical leg harness

[sturdy lily]

I love the mail panties

[silver heart]

bro don’t give a FUCK about them shins!!!

seeing early half plate arrangements of sorts is really neat tho

[robust tendon]

Braies

[lone osprey]

or just panzer

[sturdy lily]

[terse bronze]

iicr panzer also just refers to haubergeons

so since the "braies" is integrated to what is basically a haubergeon ...

[lone osprey]

yeah I think that part is called the panzerschurz specifically. panzerhosen also comes up in more modern stuff

[terse bronze]

love panzerhosen

[verbal bramble]

Is there any evidence of open face sallets with a brow reinforcement like this one in Half Sword actually being from 1450s-1470s? I am trying to look for any actual examples, but almost all sallets in my archives similar to this one are from 1490 at the earliest. (Apologies for separating the image from the message, I wanted to spoiler it)

[terse bronze]

Footman/Infantry sallet, second half of the 15thC. (Most likely approx. during the Burgundian Wars), found in Savoy

Repro made by Georges Jolliot

Fresco from Abbaye St. Hilaire, France (although no precise date on it, could very well be 1490s-1500s)

[verbal bramble]

Oh- Yeah, that's basically the exact type of sallet I was looking for

[terse bronze]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26451 also this

[verbal bramble]

I assume, this kind of helmets are paired with a brigandine or cuirass and maybe some maille, no?

[terse bronze]

With anything there isn't a rule

[terse bronze]

like

that's plate

[verbal bramble]

Ah, I thought for some reason these would be helmets for poor soldiers generally, pardon me

[terse bronze]

1500s but

[terse bronze]

I mean you would see those on infantrymen predomidantly ofc but that didn't mean they couldnt use plate

like burgundian pikemen would be expected to wear a cuirass, maille sleeves and "jack chains" on the right arm

with "whatever helmet they see fit"

[verbal bramble]

I see, that makes sense

[verbal bramble]

This reproduction in particular interests me

[terse bronze]

actually

wait a minit

stay right here

[lone osprey]

are these fellas wearing them
Albertina's dating is wonky now saying 1465-90
but in the Last Knight catalogue The Met's curator deduces charles the bolds reign as duke 1467-77

[terse bronze]

NOOO RUDI

I was about to post it!!!!!

[lone osprey]

did I steal your thunder

damn

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-sad-ree-triggered-gif-17392601

dude guy

[lone osprey]

what the hell

guess there's space to see through

[verbal bramble]

Oh nice- That is a really nice kit

[terse bronze]

he's looking down so it's exaggerated tbh

[verbal bramble]

Also, a nice Couteau de Brèche

[terse bronze]

damn first time i've seen someone else use this term

[verbal bramble]

I remember it from somewhere, I find it nice- And probably more fitting than "glaive"

[terse bronze]

at this point any from glaives, vouges, couteaux de brèches works tbh

probably coustille too ??? (which is similar to couteau; knife)

In the end just use the term you understand and can write without problem

ex: write crow's beak instead of "bed du corben"

or spiked club instead of "plankon" (& forgetting the "à picots" part...)

[silver heart]

i should prolly know the answer by this point but, i’ve seen conflicting shiet regarding it, would your typical smella in full harness at this point wear a haubergeon or would the mail mostly be relegated to the voiders sewn into the arming hose?

[terse bronze]

Actually most of the time it would not be a full shirt under

but it did still happen, just not as commonly as people put it to be

flancard, voiders, standalone skirts(faulds), sleeves ect were much more common

[silver heart]

okay i think ive just been seeing more depictions of it recently so it had me pondering

any good depictions of it yk of that you don’t mind sending?

[terse bronze]

sure gimme a sec

Manuscript MS 55, fol 122b-123b. 1460. Pierpont Morgan Library, New York

[MSS_Ott.lat.1417] Historiae Philippicae (1460)

[silver heart]

lil vro in the back is TOO jolly

it aint all sunshine and rainbows!!!

also idk why i just now realized the gorget's were directly attached to the armet

[terse bronze]

In some yeah, especially the earlier armirs which literally had an aventail like bascinets

but around the neck

[silver heart]

yeah! love those aventailed armet's

[terse bronze]

you do?

source?

[silver heart]

why do ya think it took as long as it did for plate wrappers to start appearing? just issues with the mechanics of articulation?

[terse bronze]

no clue tbh

[silver heart]

vine boom sound effect

[terse bronze]

vibing

[silver heart]

@vocal vale !!!

[fleet junco]

they thought the armet itself was sufficient enoufghtts as sprortjriknh

[vocal vale]

same with other reinforcements, probably just took them a little while to catch on because it’s kind of a “luxury”

you don’t really neeed it so it didn’t become super popular until people started to figure out how to make them in conveniently articulated and shaped ways

[white fulcrum]

what are the spikes jutting out from in front of them?

[terse bronze]

anticav cover

it has a name that i forgo

[white fulcrum]

stakes ig but I’m sure that’s not the name

[terse bronze]

i mean they're stakes pretty much so

yeah stakes then

[white fulcrum]

steaks 🥩

[terse bronze]

witches were burned at the steaks back then

[silver heart]

around when would you say they first start showing up?

[vocal vale]

iirc there’s a few from 1415

[silver heart]

GUHHHH?!?

[vocal vale]

give me like 30 minutes and i’ll send you the version with the sources

[silver heart]

cue eight vine boom sound effects

[silver heart]

i especially love the second helm from 1415

[neon drum]

Is 1415 a bascinet with an armet visor?

[terse bronze]

No it's an armet

[neon drum]

Really?

Wow

[terse bronze]

As you can see by the tight neck

[neon drum]

But why the long top?

Wouldn't a rounded one protect better?

[terse bronze]

Why not?

[neon drum]

Good point

[terse bronze]

Not necessarily

Also it is obviously reminiscent of bascinet shapes yeah

But it's an armet

[neon drum]

Does that mean that the armet evolved from bascinets?

[terse bronze]

I don't really like the term evolving but I guess you could say so

Same with sallets

(including barbutes)

[neon drum]

Barbutes make sense

[terse bronze]

Early sallets and barbutes were pretty much the same thing

Like check out the Pistoia altarpiece

(although the term barbutes mostly refered to aventails/bevors back then with some mentions of bascinets iicr)

[fallen schooner]

Strange covered cuirass thing from 1464

I've never seen anything like it

[stray sandal]

It looks like it has door hinges on it

and door knockers as well

[terse bronze]

472, Germany - Der Wunderer

Dresden, Mscr.Dresd.M.201

[white fulcrum]

what the fuck is that second one 😭

[terse bronze]

bro was just gungry

can you blame a man

[lone osprey]

Love those illustrations

Getting DD2 modder friend Ridog8 to make something like that and this cool st george

[zenith turret]

For those who don’t know, the “light axe” isn’t a axe, it’s a farmer’s billhook

[silver heart]

might have to get dd2 just for shi like this

[lone osprey]

I love it but the combat is very flashy. Love climbing up and stabbing giant monsters in historical looking armour though

Also the optimization isnt great

[rocky sand]

There is like 6 or 7 billhooks in the game. Farming and military versions

[verbal bramble]

I thought there were just 4 or 5, 2 or 3 farming bills and 2 military bills

[rocky sand]

there are some abyss exclusive ones

[limber adder]

Could it be like a really personalized brigandine cuirass maybe?

[fallen schooner]

Actually that could be it

Because those hinges in the middle could indicate separate plates

[vocal vale]

im fairly certain it's just all'antica

[humble pagoda]

Does anyone have (accurate) references for 15th century byzantine armor?

[fleet junco]

faulds

[terse bronze]

faulds = maille

[terse bronze]

1457 Germany, Stuttgart, Würt. Landesbib., HB V 52 - the Augsburg Chronicle

[verbal bramble]

What region is this kind of kettle hat from?

[terse bronze]

"Royal Armouries in Leeds. It is Italian and dated, I think, to ca.1470"

however you'd also find it all accross europe

[verbal bramble]

So it is a kind of kettle hat that isn't particulalry attached to one specific region?

[terse bronze]

it seem to be mostly a flanders-france-spain typa thing but i think they also scarcely appear in germany kinda

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... So, generally, western europe?

[terse bronze]

yur

works for the game if thats yo question

[robust tendon]

correct term would be tonlet/paunce of plates iirc

[next heart]

Hey guys? why im stuck on this one

even i click that 3 but still stuck

[ebon nimbus]

God bless the military billhooks

[next heart]

hey @ebon nimbus can you help me on this one?

[next heart]

cuz i've been stuck on this one every time i open half sword

[ebon nimbus]

Why are you posting this in the history channel

[next heart]

cuz i can't post on #1047240101152960525 need to wait 30mins

[ebon nimbus]

Half sword chat could probably help you better

[next heart]

i cant drop screenshot

[verbal bramble]

It wasn't, I was trying to figure out my first kit (which, considering how I am rn in a REALLY bad spot, will probably take some time before I can do anything for it)

But seeing it in the game would be nice, ngl

[fleet junco]

crecy

[robust tendon]

liab

[verbal bramble]

All'antica sure is... Something

[terse bronze]

A facing another a = apostrophe 😉

all'antica

alla romana

[verbal bramble]

Sorry

[terse bronze]

no need to

[robust tendon]

what would you call those reinforcements on his pauldron? I’m thinking guard brace but idk

[fleet junco]

it might be a rondel

a besagew

[bright token]

love those decorative rivets on his tassets

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJHbIkPIhZi/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link peak

piotrplatener

Some closer view 🔍 to the cuirass from the gothic set in Helmschmied style, circa 1480-1485. Such style represents a highpoint of medieval armour art. It took me around 600 working hours ⌚ to make it and it is the first gothic cuirass I have created, which was a huge challenge. The waist belt with quatrefoil decorations was provided by my c...

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[silver heart]

SHEEEEESHHHH

[verbal bramble]

It. Is so pretty.

Lorenz Helmschmied really was one of the best armorers to live and- I love his work and gothic armor as decorated as it

[gloomy kettle]

anyone know when this armor was made and whether or not it would fit in the game? i think its twenty years too late but im not sure

[lone osprey]

Its dated 1480 based on people assuming it appears in a painting, but may be later

This drawing is dated 1475-85 so art historians think armour like it existed in the 1470s

[gloomy kettle]

what game is that

[silver heart]

dragons dogma 2

[verbal bramble]

That's Maximilian's Field Armor, here are better pictures with more detail: https://www.khm.at/en/artworks/reiterharnisch-kueriss-514252-1

It is JUST out of the time frame of the game, but by only a few years

I wouldn't be surprised if the devs added a similar harness in the "High Gothic" style or straight up this harness for the Baron Tier

[verbal bramble]

Gods I love this harness so much

[robust tendon]

https://flic.kr/p/KiQkNQ

[blazing raft]

Ottomans empire had a arquebus gun dating back all the way back to the 1411, and a musket dating back to the 1465-1475, at this very moment I'm looking for the appropriate pictures, a matchlock to be precise.

First picture is a gun similar to the era but built too late

The picture is from a battle from 1470, bottom left, using it in combat from an artist perspective

[gloomy kettle]

thank you!

[silver heart]

obligatory early plate codpiece/articulated gorget posting hours

[terse bronze]

Doesn't fit the game setting

[pure creek]

Don't care

[terse bronze]

Idiot

[pure creek]

Real mature

👍

I never insulted you

[tranquil trout]

this is from the codex Manesse, armor at that time (1304) is straight up useless at that time other then the helmet then (great helm) since they are using plate armor instead of chainmail (sometimes in 1400s)

the 1st picture is early 1300s
the 2nd photo is an armor that can be used (except the accessory) in Halfsword

so keep in mind, @pure creek might have reeeeeally enjoyed the Codex

[pure creek]

Ok thanks👍

[void stream]

But at no point was he rude to you, he just told you that the reference you sent doesn't fit the time period in which the game takes place.

It was just a short and clear answer

[tranquil trout]

he makes a good point

[pure creek]

K ig

It's not a big deal

I mean

I don't really care

[terse bronze]

me and my pollaxe friend (he talks to me sometimes)

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJOR5j8t8xY/?igsh=ZThuMmtueDhtbDZ2

maks_izobov

Helmet for joust, was made in 2021. Inspired by Thun Sketchbook drawings. C65 steel. Visor and wrapper are 2.5 mm thick

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Does this magnificent helm fit within the game’s time frame

It open on the front so I thought this is early close helm or a great bascinet

[turbid shadow]

Its inspired by the thun sketchbook

Most of the stuff there is too late

[verbal bramble]

Damn. That is a very nice kit

Do you have one?

[terse bronze]

Nuh uh

[verbal bramble]

Oh, understood

[silver heart]

mmmmm plate wrapper

[vocal vale]

is close helm

[bright token]

Is there something similar to this helm but for the battlefield?

I really love how it look 😄

[vocal vale]

im thinking that with a more narrow and possibly more intricate visor, and maybe the omitted wrapper, it would be perfectly sufficient

[bright token]

Yay

[deep roost]

my checkpoint 1

[next orchid]

the visor is narrow enough

tbh, if anything, a narrower visor is more important for duels or jousts

[vocal vale]

this channel is for historical equipment to be suggested for the game

[calm abyss]

oh mb

still new to allat stuff

[verbal bramble]

Why not the accessory? Is it too late for the game?

[lone osprey]

results
and coat physics over plate

left fella

1475-85 Verhör der hl. Afra

[wet obsidian]

From the Burgundian Wars in Switzerland and France. Battle of Murten 1474-77

[robust tendon]

looks like modern art, while better than most modern stuff this isn't strictly accurate

not much out-of-period art is reliable as a reference, but there are exceptions like Graham Turner

[wraith pewter]

From a strict equipment standpoint, there are a lot of issues with these two paintings

[dawn loom]

Way too much plate

[terse bronze]

That's not really a big issue tbh

[robust tendon]

yeah armor isn’t uber expensive or uncommon for the average soldier

[normal mantle]

this is romania?

[terse bronze]

italy

[normal mantle]

looks like the view from castle brand romania

[terse bronze]

oh you mean the place

idk

Nah italy

https://www.facebook.com/CastellodiCastrocaro

[sleek hinge]

what is this chanbel

[fleet junco]

people post historical arms and armor that relate to the current area of the game

and time

[sleek hinge]

If they add arrows, they should add a gunshield except it shoots arrows

[fleet junco]

D

[vocal vale]

historical, that relate to the current area and time of the game

[frail mesa]

Sure ould be a pain inthe ass to get headshot by that

[wet obsidian]

it its definitely modern art, here is more accurate photo from the Aargauer Kantonsbibliothek (Aargauer Cantonal Library)

https://blog.nationalmuseum.ch/en/2020/06/the-battle-of-grandson/ this is the website this is from with references to the cantonal libraries

Following also a nice article with some good reference paintings: https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-swiss-used-to-mean-badass/

[next orchid]

was wondering why this looked 16th century and yeah, its apparently mid 16th c.

very neat

antique halberds and armor

[wet obsidian]

where did you get that information?

[next orchid]

u can see a burgonet in the center btw

[wet obsidian]

ahh the drawings

now i get it

[next orchid]

i suspect the illuminator was copying earlier illuminations

referencing wtv

[wet obsidian]

i thought you meant the burgundian wars and the siege of grandsor castle. thought I was spreading wrong information....

[next orchid]

well, i would say it still isnt an accurate depiction of 15th century swiss

[wet obsidian]

well, how accurate can it get

[next orchid]

illuminator def got an A for effort though

[next orchid]

15th c. illuminators lol

[wet obsidian]

I'm going to look further for more accurate illuminations

[wet obsidian]

I'm going to my central library tomorrow to see if I can look into a chronic from Diebold Schilling about burgundian wars

creation 1481-1484

[vocal vale]

I'll get my guys on this at R&D.

[wet obsidian]

I will still go, @next orchid got me invested

[next orchid]

They should be online I'm pretty sure

[wet obsidian]

I didn't find anything online

[lone osprey]

https://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en

old but interesting related articles:
https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=hmb-001%3A1915%3A0%3A%3A77&referrer=search#77
https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=hmb-001%3A1916%3A0%3A%3A103#103

[wet obsidian]

Yes, I know that website. It's stacked with old but gold information. Unfortunately, there is no manuscript online from Diebolds Schillings Burgundian Wars. However there is the Spiezer Chronik (1484/85) online which many illuminations (https://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/de/thumbs/bbb/Mss-hh-I0016/) Here some example pictures which I like:

[wet obsidian]

will surely look into this when I have time, thanks!

[next orchid]

note that this source also uses artistic devices, like the funny pointy helmets.

(used to portray older events)

or the oversized bucklers

[wet obsidian]

oh okay, I thought some of the illuminations were drawn quite funny. where did you get that info or do you just know it?

here also the description of each picture https://e-codices.unifr.ch/en/description/bbb/Mss-hh-I0016

[next orchid]

lots of discussions and learning over time. not to say this manuscript is inaccurate, but just take certain things with a grain of salt, although the later portions i believe dont utilize those devices

actually nvm they do

lol

[wet obsidian]

thanks for clearing things for me. I hope to be so knowledgeable like you one day about history

[sonic stump]

Add bascinets
Its for my Bascibros

[latent drift]

i think they be too old

[sonic stump]

Some still used them

Grandpas helmet is better than no helmet

Yes?

[latent drift]

true

[vocal vale]

this is not a valid point

[lone osprey]

are you referring to this?
https://www.e-manuscripta.ch/zuz/content/titleinfo/2470078

fully digitized

[wet obsidian]

you're a genius thanks mate.

[lone osprey]

lol all good thank wikipedia for having a link 🫡

[wet obsidian]

welp, my fault then for not seeing it

[humble pagoda]

I need some assistance on this source. "Chronicle Of The Council Of Constance" It says it was written in 1450-1460 but printed in 1483. What is the difference?

https://archive.org/details/chronicle-of-the-council-of-constance/mode/2up

[lone osprey]

https://geschichtsquellen.de/werk/4591
the 1483 printed edition was probably based on a ~1460 manuscript

[humble pagoda]

Ah ok. I just wanted to make sure that I could post it here.

[lone osprey]

the austrian national library has a manuscript of it (cod. 3044) with some nice soldiers illustrated

the squinter

[wet obsidian]

gigachad

nevertheless nice illuminations

[lone osprey]

goiterchad

[terse sorrel]

Why is he so silly?

[wet obsidian]

Apparently Bernese negotiators are being mocked here because they had fought each other several times lol

[verbal bramble]

What year are these from?

[lone osprey]

dated to around 1470

christopher retsch reckons 1475 and puts that under his labels though

[terse bronze]

I'm glad the reference channel has the game's timeframe in its name

[verbal bramble]

That is way too early for the game

[dim mauve]

They were really a 14th century thing, granted they were used in 15th but early 15th is was more similar to 14th than late 15th.

[lone osprey]

there's always this one!
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/grand-bacinet/hgGvGHgJ24Qa8w
love this one

[terse bronze]

fr

[dim mauve]

Aye I've got one that I want to use for my upcoming late 15th shows but I've got to sort my ciurass out first.

[lone osprey]

very cool

[sonic stump]

Im so fucking jealous

All i could ever make is a Wisby

[terse bronze]

all he could ever make is a City in Gotland, Sweden

seems huge

[dim mauve]

I mean, I didnt make it.

I am learning to make armour though but im starting with the cuisses on my leg armour, and then ciurass.

[sonic stump]

How to make cuirass

How to make full plate armor

🤬🤬🤬

Tell now...

[terse bronze]

are you dumb lol ?

it's obvious

[lone osprey]

[robust tendon]

There is a depiction of swedish peasants which shows, quite clearly, bascinets, but the depiction itself is 16th century iirc

also idk if the devs even want to do swedish stuff

[dim mauve]

Sheet of steel, hammer, super hot blowtorch makes it easier.

Also something to use as an anvil, like a piece of train track or an anvil

[tacit kindle]

what are these sorts of arm guards called?

[terse bronze]

Sometimes the word "jack chains" is thrown around but idk if it's attested in english speaking source. However i've seen it refered to as clinques de fer in french texts

you could translate it pretty much to "lames/band of iron"

[robust tendon]

I reckon jack chains is a modern term

probably because they are often worn with jacks/textile armor

[tacit kindle]

👍 thank you

[pallid fossil]

Please add Eastern European and Russian armor to the game. For now I'll list the "shishak" or Lobster-tailed pot helmet.

The Russian Tsar Mikhail Fyodorovich's Shishak from the Yerichon Hats collection

Paper hat with earphones and a slap on the back of the head.

Secrete or skullcap (черепник)

1 - German cavalryman in a skullcap under his hat; 2 - Italian skullcap with 5 teeth

Prilbitsa is a type of helmet used in Rus', Western and Central Asia in the Middle Ages.

Shelom

Gilded helmet

Gilded helmet from Nemia. 11th century

1.Helmet with a flag-"yalovets". 15th century
2. Helmet with half mask, nasal guard and eye cups. 12th–13th centuries

Iron hat is a term used in the Russian kingdom in the 16th-17th centuries to denote a type of helmet. The question of whether it corresponded to any specific design type of helmet, and if so, to which one, is debatable.

Iron Hat according to A. V. Viskovatov

[robust tendon]

the devs want to focus on western europe

none of this stuff is relevant to half sword, both location and period

[terse bronze]

Is it really so hard to read a channel name

[terse sorrel]

Thought process must be "ref = history, and I want THIS in the game".

[next orchid]

chains is for english by the late 16th c. at least, splints would be the 15th c. term (at least towards the end, not sure if its meaning changed over time)

"jack chains" though ive never seen

[robust tendon]

reading causes them to combust instantly

[timber smelt]

Not even that

Sometimes people just post random stuff here

[terse sorrel]

Oh, hey, fancy seeing you here. But yeah, people are allergic to the slightest bit of sense.

[lone osprey]

Retsch reckons that maybe the term was inspired by Blair:

• Siehe auch BLAIR: European Armour. 1979 [1958], S. 118: „In the 15th century, and probably
  before, he [the ordinary soldier] often wore a brigandine or its poor relation, the jack wich consisted of many small plates of iron
  or horn secured between layers of canvas by a trellis-work of stitches. Sometimes these defenses were reinforced with strips of plate
  or chains or supplemented by a light cuirass or a breastplate worn without a back in the manner shown on Memlinc’s Chasse of
  St. Ursula at Bruges.“ Möglicherweise auf diese Textstelle Claude Blairs zurückgehend werden diese schmalen, kettenartigen ,Arm-
  zeuge‘ mittlerweile oft als ,Jack Chains‘ bezeichnet.

[sonic stump]

Why do the knights look like villagers from minecraft with steroids

[sonic stump]

How it feels to fight the baron

(When unarmored)

[vocal vale]

this is not a reference

[robust tendon]

dequitem is cool but his harness is not a reference for sure

[thorny otter]

This is dope. The whole armour project is amazíng

[sonic stump]

Am so jealous

[terse bronze]

start working

now!!!

[terse bronze]

Losing my mind

[robust tendon]

aneurysm

[prisma raven]

bro..

[verbal bramble]

How was the helmet gilded? I've heard of damascening, fire gilding, and riveting with "invisible" rivets,but I can't tell how this one was gilded

That. Is from the late 16th if not early 17th Century.

The game itself says it is the 15th Century. There is not even a single bit of armor in the drawing.

[sage crypt]

oh i thought the

never mind

[bright token]

This is English style right?

Made by Armour Services Historical

[robust tendon]

seems to be by the fluting on the upper cannon and vambrace

[robust tendon]

i asked some other fellows about this style and it isn’t specifically english it’s seen all over western europe (iberia, france, england, germany)

[bright token]

Thank you crecy

[sonic stump]

Im a Filipino

Im poor

[next orchid]

buhurt is not historically accurate

(im hilarious)

[sonic stump]

Ye ofc

It was never meant to be Accurate

Being accurate kills

[vocal vale]

see: harnischfechten

[robust tendon]

kills if you’re a buhurt player where they just hit each other

[terse bronze]

i don't think anyone uynderstood Fodder's joke..

[next orchid]

kms

[terse bronze]

kms/h

[next orchid]

mph*

[bitter kindle]

*when using a greatsword.
may I present: hammer.

the "peasant" here is using a sword, a bad choice for armoured fighting, where the "knight" has a poleaxe, which will devastate an opponent, armoured or not (can flip around and use as hammer for armour as well.) obviously the "peasant" loses.
also what kind of peasant has a zweihander.

none of this is a reference but I felt like being petty today

[light forge]

I should probably ask here about the Zounds thing

[next orchid]

fuck swords am i right

devs need to remove swords from the game because they were never actually used

[wet belfry]

instead of half sword it's just half

[next orchid]

half axe

[robust tendon]

religious superstition 😏

[light forge]

I figured swords were used plenty, just more in shit like this game than an open battlefield

cool fight toys for rich noble

[robust tendon]

actual claim made in this video btw https://youtu.be/_qK1SjwTEbI?si=yXibFlfD_RBADdlh

cool harness though

[next orchid]

truth nuke

[next orchid]

its in open battle that they were used the most lol

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[next orchid]

like, just on statistics alone

[robust tendon]

truke

[next orchid]

although i think any unarmored person who is forced to fight a fully armed opponent close (sword distance), when armor grants a great advantage in that regard, is probably not going to have the best time

[light forge]

listen why would you use all that metal to make baby sword that cannot kill through armor when you could use it and some wood to create two High Tier Polearm

[robust tendon]

this guy doesn't know about stabbing

[next orchid]

For the ceremonial aspect, duh

Also I seriously cannot think of a period past 500 BC, in regions where swords were being manufactured, where swords were actually rare

[robust tendon]

i saw someone claim that swords were obsolete by the invention of maille lmao

[next orchid]

They were right

Actually sword were obsolete with the invention of the spear

Which is why the sword was only invented after the spear

[light forge]

I don't think it's "rare" but more like "overrepresented in fantasy"

[next orchid]

meanginless statement tbh

[light forge]

it's all just vibes anyway

but it's less "sword overrated" more "poleaxe underappreciated"

[next orchid]

i mean we literally have battle accounts where the authors literally write "swords were used the most"

[light forge]

esp within the context of fully armored combat

[next orchid]

who tf underrates pollaxes

all i ever see is polearm circlejerk

[light forge]

when was the last time you saw a poleaxe in a fantasy thing

[next orchid]

fantasy is fantasy lol, it doesnt even warrant being brought up

[robust tendon]

peasants with sticks instantly kill fully armored knights

trust

[next orchid]

i trust

i know this cuz im a peasant and i could fuck up a knight with a stick

muh formation

[light forge]

100 peasants vs 1 gorilla in full plate mail

[next orchid]

ottoman gorilla

[light forge]

but the peasants have godendags (they all immediately get tangled up in each other)

sorry "War Staff A"

[robust tendon]

plate mail...

[light forge]

maillle

[robust tendon]

i'm a platemailler

[next orchid]

plated maille (he is from anatolia)

[light forge]

so most common throughout history is sword + shield?

[next orchid]

no statistics but just about every region with swords and shields utilized sword and shield at some point

[robust tendon]

i'd say that's a very hard thing to quantify

[next orchid]

yeah though id still probably say no based on vibes 😎

definitely not as rare as some people think though

and pretty common amongst certain peoples

[robust tendon]

i don't really have any sources but iirc just about everyone used swords

peasants, even though swords are often seen as a weapon of knights or nobility

doesn't mean they used nothing else just that they were common

[terse bronze]

🐺 🏇 🏹

[next orchid]

theres one nothern european "battlefield grave" find from the early medieval period where swords outnumber spears lol

[terse bronze]

yeah but can't do anything against plate!!!!

[next orchid]

yeah swords suck

[robust tendon]

you'd be better off with a beckter crabin

[next orchid]

^

[terse bronze]

truke

[next orchid]

or a dagger

hah, swords are not even the best weapon for close combat

take that

[terse bronze]

dagger + stick = spear king of weapons

[next orchid]

wow

[terse bronze]

spears op plz nerf XD

[terse bronze]

Petty about the most useless shit gg

Unarmored folks with greatswords my BELOVED

[robust tendon]

schlachtschwerter

[robust tendon]

guy with the skullcap also goes hard

[next orchid]

old man in worst armor known to man given the command baton

my beloved

[terse bronze]

he has a baton to beat armored opponent ! blutn force trauma

[robust tendon]

la blunt force

[terse bronze]

may I present to you : the stick.

[next orchid]

literally the old drill sergeant trope

[terse bronze]

he's a peasant using his grandpa armor they looted from a poor knight

because it just makes sense!

[next orchid]

Salme ship graves

no axes

also not battlefield but random mass grave

[light forge]

clearly that's because the stupid, useless swords full of precious metal were left there while all the glorious effective polearms were salvaged

[next orchid]

truth nuke

[lost zealot]

yo folks, do anyone know if this armor set is historical ?

[terse bronze]

It is. The helmet is sliiighty later but overall it's good

[fleet junco]

i think it existed in history

[lost zealot]

if im not mistaken the helmet originate from flemish or british origin, right ?

since i ever saw this helmet in like a british museum website (or smth like that)

[weak halo]

Isn't it based on the one from Philip the Good's funeral effigy?

[terse bronze]

Yeah, Flemish/northern french somewhere around there and since English used to import a lot of Flemish stuff it makes sense

[terse bronze]

Not this one, this one is directly based on a surviving example

Would be cool if someone posted the link I can't look it up rn

[weak halo]

John the fearless also has a bascinet on his effigy

[lost zealot]

is there any photos ?

[weak halo]

Trying to get some

[lost zealot]

awsome

[weak halo]

Nevermind, it's different 😔

Well 🤔

[terse bronze]

I'm telling you it's not this one

It's a real piece of armor not from an effigy or something

[lost zealot]

😔

[terse bronze]

Try looking up for Flemish great bascinet or something

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJeP_e2NqhV/?igsh=eW9xZ3N5ZHFkbHJs

nelsondmitri

New helmet for SALE!
1,5mm mild steel

for head 58-60cm

padding included

Instagram

Is this sallet based on one from around 1490s?

[weak halo]

Got it

British or Flemish

[weak halo]

It was Philip the Bold, I was wrong

[terse bronze]

Yes

[terse bronze]

I'm saying Flemish because of how Brits imported Flemish armors

[lost zealot]

ah yea that one

[terse bronze]

Oh shit

[terse bronze]

Various halberds

out of the game timeframe but pretty cool seeing early halberds in the ~mid 14thC

Some "partisans"

cool guys

child soldiah

[bright token]

leg armour made by grifonguard on instagram. Is this Italian o German style? I thought it look Italian to me but Im probably wrong

[terse sorrel]

Do you have the full artwork from the incredibly silly last one?

[bright token]

love the halberd in 4th pic

[terse bronze]

don't have it on hand rn

[terse sorrel]

It’s 14th century, at least?

[terse bronze]

I believe soemewhere between 1415-30s

so first half of the 15thc

[terse sorrel]

Thanks.

[robust tendon]

Swiss, 1470-1490, the sword and wings are 19th century replacements

barely in the date range

French, XVth century

no specific date

[lone osprey]

anybody know if there is a particular name for that fabric semicircular part that comes up onto the blade