references♥_1450-1470

[terse bronze]

It's called the "gleek"

[vocal vale]

[fast karma]

i agree with the previous reaction but ill say thank you anyway because i dont want to be rude

[fast karma]

i am quite sure i heard it refered to as the "talon" somewhere though

[terse bronze]

For real tho in english i think it's just called buttspike

I Heard talon for pikes

So maybe idk

Gimme 10minit i'll go on my pc

[fast karma]

makes sense they would have the same for polearms in general like how an axe can have a pommel

[terse bronze]

@fast karma i'll check some textual sources later i'm too lazy rn

[fast karma]

cool, thanks

[toxic breach]

would big couters interfere in any way w/ pauldrons (as opposed to spaulders)

@terse bronze golar i need your opinion on this!

[terse bronze]

Not thaaaat much

[toxic breach]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok

[terse bronze]

it's specially made to act as a shield when you're charging so

[toxic breach]

becos i saw big couters w/ pauldrons here
so surely if they were worn it worked
but mine jut outside the arm so much

Trve

[toxic breach]

I wonder whether foot combat would be permissible with such large (or even larger on other harnesses ) couters

Specifically in regards to arm flexibility

[terse bronze]

think it would be possible but definitely suboptimal

most of the time you thrust anyway so

[vocal vale]

hell yeah

i dont understand this part though

[toxic breach]

Hammerhead can be fixed under or over languet

[vocal vale]

the first image is fucking with me something fierce

[toxic breach]

Wherefore!

Hammerhead is made of a steel square in the middle which is placed inside of the languet and said square is fixed by the lateral spike from the outer

I think

[vocal vale]

why it not going through the hole

[toxic breach]

Because Willie

[vocal vale]

thank you for clearing that up

i was genuinely in pain at my perception

[fast karma]

thick metal pin says "NO"

[fast karma]

@haughty creek i found another one and more info https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-42322

apparently thats 2/3

[haughty creek]

I’m wondering if the holes around the neck of the helmet are to mount a liner

Because that’s how they are affixed on bascinets

And the skull of the helmet is missing the rivets for the liner leather

[vocal vale]

"Around the base of the neck and bordering the main edges are series of holes for lining rivets."

[toxic breach]

@vocal vale Samuel of Saturn

[vocal vale]

hello yes !

[toxic breach]

do U think front-facing mitten gauntlets w/ cuffs would flare out like that

cuz the cuffs have to go somewhere!

I'm regarded and don't have good perception of perspective hence the fact I can't find any front-facing cuffed gauntlet depictions is detrimental

[vocal vale]

i think it would be more like this

[toxic breach]

Real shit ty

[vocal vale]

the cuff is only to the side like that when the gauntlet is angled the same way

for future

[toxic breach]

O shid

[vocal vale]

[fickle bane]

me n twin wen we geeked asf 😭👏

[toxic breach]

Real shit

[upper lintel]

Looks like its straight outta ds3 wiki

[lone osprey]

the pages showing all the modularity of the different heads in the talhoffer manuscripts are cool as

[lone osprey]

offtopic but damn Lapp's set gives me those gustave dore vibes

[upper lintel]

Best armour set looks wise imo

[bright token]

Cool armet with sallet visor

https://www.facebook.com/share/tEGHxK8zpoNh9DoC/?mibextid=WC7FNe pic source

[fast karma]

Actually looks a lot like a helmet we checked out earlier

[bright token]

Nice 😄
hope it appears in the game 😔🙏

[fast karma]

#references♥_1450-1470 message

There are better pictures with intact visor further up the chat but you can read about it there

[bright token]

I love this type of helm so much it is commonly worn by men at arms of a kingdom in my fantasy world lol

[fast karma]

It's a very nice helmet. What I find very interesting about it is that it seems very high end for something so utterly lacking in flourishes and decoration

[fast karma]

and how it seems like every example of similar helmet is attributed to the same armorer

[robust tendon]

renaissance triumphal arch designed by Francesco Laurana for the facade of Castel Nuovo in Naples, Italy. The arch was created in 1443 to celebrate the city's conquest by Alfonso V of Aragon

[lone osprey]

does anybody know the precise, Italian name of those 15th century pleated things with the huge openings on the sides like that worn by the guy on the far right of that frieze?

[robust tendon]

I believe they’re called giornea

[lone osprey]

awesome, thanks

[prisma raven]

Alfons el Magnànim 🔥

[wise hearth]

To the development team of Half Sword,

I’d like to propose the introduction of several unique characters to enhance the diversity and excitement of the game. These characters would not only enrich the lore but also bring fresh and engaging gameplay mechanics. Here’s why each should be considered:

Wendigo
Werewolf
El Chupa Cabra
The Bigfoot
Nosferatu
The Black Swordsman

Introducing these characters would diversify the game’s roster by blending myth, legend, and dark fantasy. Each one offers unique combat mechanics and could appeal to different playstyles, enriching the overall experience for players.

[toxic breach]

Actual gem tier bait

[ancient pivot]

I think my man is lost

[toxic breach]

Gemmy

[robust tendon]

too early for the game

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-gif-25827825

[visual forge]

whats the range, 2nd quarter of 15th?

[robust tendon]

yeah, 1450-1480

[terse bronze]

📌 !

[vocal vale]

could just be a sallet and bevor

[vocal vale]

another thing about those, they are often depicted being worn over the breastplate and under the plackart, or over the whole cuirass

[humble pagoda]

Add this pls

[turbid shadow]

not fit at all for half sword

[fast karma]

uhm.. isnt it?

[turbid shadow]

It’s a tad bit too late foe the games time period

[upper lintel]

From what period is it?

I really dont see an issue with this helmet

[turbid shadow]

1500-1520 as stated from the Wallace collection

[fast karma]

earliest surviving example ive found is 1500-1520

well same one

if you read the text there it talks about one depicted in 1505-10

[upper lintel]

Mkay

[fast karma]

basically you cant prove or disprove how early something came along just that it was around at a certain point. so with this range one could assume they were around 20-30 years earlier but thats far from certain... also when it comes to armor development thats kind of a long time

gonna see if i can find an earlier reference

which there are...

[fast karma]

could be a bellows face sallet :S

Jan van Boendale’s Brabantsche Yeesten

"Bruxelles, Bibliothèque royale de Belgique, ms. IV 648"

https://uurl.kbr.be/1065581 p.117

better example at p.136

[fast karma]

general consensus seems to be 1490 but i cant for the life of me find out why

guessing the research is in some book or website with institute access that im not gonna pay for/dont have

[ancient pivot]

This has got to be some of the worst looking armour I've seen in manuscripts lmao how can you tell what anything is

[fast karma]

much of looking at the art is just guesswork... comparing with surviving examples... thats how we ended up with "chain/scale/ring mail"

would get the books and read up on the actual research, but that reading can be so dry that your eyeballs shrivel up and fall out. Thats not something i wanna pay for

[vocal vale]

i like the scheke’s slash pattern

[visual forge]

Dresden

[terse bronze]

wrong

it's in my room rn

I'm the only one allowed in my room sorry

[lone osprey]

have devs said whether kastenbrust will be included? it does fall in c.1450 so it's in the time range

[terse bronze]

there's even some examples of later kastens in the 60s

[lone osprey]

got any pictures on hand?

[terse bronze]

gimme a min

~1462-1463 Germany, early printed edition of a Paupers Bible (BSB Rar. 4) here one

[lone osprey]

huh that looks cool if it's an accurate rendition I like the big ridge in the centre. I prefer the angular squarish ones over the rounded ones.

[terse bronze]

Freskomalerei
Dom Kreuzgang, Brixen, Italien, Sudtirol
1464
Drawing by Boris Gauda

Cycle of frescoes (1461)
Brixen
Kirche St. Jakob in der Mahr

Cycle of frescoes (1461)
Brixen
Kirche St. Jakob in der Mahr

[lone osprey]

wow that's actually fascinating.

very cool thank you 👌

[terse bronze]

Kniender Stifter (Herr von Partenheim?).
Kat. S. 427.
Fig. 362. Wappen Partenheim.
Kat. S. 425.
Ehemals Partenheim, Pfarrkirche. Darmstadt, HLM, Nr. 160, 165. Mittelrhein (Mainz?), um 1440/50.

that's about everything I can find in a short delay

[lone osprey]

love the Zaddeln/Zattel sleeves. have no idea what theyre called in other languages

would look cool with physics

[terse bronze]

Think it's houppelande in french

but I kinda suck with clothing names anyway so

but yeah it's awesome

[lone osprey]

I think perhaps houppelande is the term for I should say that whole upper part of the outfit*? while Zatteltracht is the general german name for the specific slits on various parts of clothing

anyway that is the distinction in 1993 Harry Kühnel - Bildwörterbuch der Kleidung und Rüstung vom Alten Orient bis zum ausgehenden Mittelalter

according to Grimms it seems to be related to Zacken so serrations

[fast karma]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/The_Betrayal_of_Christ_by_Fernando_Gallego_and_workshop%2C_1480-1488%2C_oil_on_panel_-_University_of_Arizona_Museum_of_Art_-_University_of_Arizona_-_Tucson%2C_AZ_-_DSC08377.jpg

[vocal vale]

what's this from?

[lone osprey]

Hans Burgkmair - 1500-03 The Fight in the Forest , National Gallery, Washington

the only analysis of it Im aware of

[lone osprey]

thanks for this info by the way never identified this 👍

[toxic breach]

Bro the paunce folding

Slinky paunce

[lone osprey]

thats what makes it a work of art

[tepid pulsar]

if im not mistakes i've seen armour of this sort already in the game

[vocal vale]

you are mistakes

[peak pewter]

the medieval paintings looks so brave and wize

i love it

[vocal vale]

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/19793/lot/121/an-extremely-rare-pair-of-italian-milanese-alla-tedesca-gothic-pauldrons/

[toxic breach]

Fellas when you tell them to halfsword😳

[civic glade]

1560s upper harness

Has some interesting features

Rigid gorget but articulated waist

Scalloped plates on the right left shoulder with large solid plates on the right

The articulation of the elbow is exceedingly fine imo, very appealing

[vocal vale]

keep refs in time period

[civic glade]

Where else am i gonna post cool armor sets 🥺

Nobody else appreciates them but you guys

[vocal vale]

theoretically i could make threads for a few different time periods like 1300 and 1500 but i'll run it by the big man first

[fast karma]

that armor hurts me anyway... i dont understand how or why...

[vocal vale]

looks purdy rad to me

[fast karma]

arms look like they would be stiff as fook

[fast karma]

pauldrons look like they would offer way less protection than older variants

sick

[vocal vale]

it is possible that the more protective pauldrons were omitted to allow quickly loading and firing matchlocks or wheellocks

i dont think maille would have been in much use by then but they might have some for the inner armpit

[fast karma]

which is another thing that confuses me about it...

i guess its a middle period kind of thing..

[vocal vale]

1300-1450 discussion

1470-1600 discussion

pre-1300 discussion

@civic glade go ham and get these babies started if you'd like

[tawny zephyr]

Do we have an official date range for the time period? It looks mid to late 15th century, but I'm not entirely sure

[terse bronze]

📌

[tawny zephyr]

A hundred years too early for the Czech gun cleaver 😢

[terse bronze]

the what now

[bright token]

https://x.com/knightly_h/status/1838163903076778259?s=46&t=z0ppmlN1VNh4WaY5KEiLWA innsbruck back plate

The Late Knight Show (@Knightly_H) on X

Here's one beautiful backplate made in Innsbruck, Austria, a renowned armoring centre thanks to the quality of their production.

Made during the 1480s-90s.

Housed at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NY.

Twitter · Sep 23, 2024, 10:30 AM

[south gull]

backin my plate rn

[wraith quest]

This is an old meat tenderizer my grandma had. I'm not sure from what year, but as a concept I think it would be great as a starting weapon.

Oh, I can't really find anything like this from the holy roman period 😦 would still be pretty cool imo though

[light silo]

I feel like a war scythe would be a great weapon for the upper fights

[toxic breach]

Sir silly

[tired pasture]

shops are often not good sources for anything

if theyre trying to sell you smthn dont use it

[civic glade]

Seems more like a peasant weapon to me

But im no expert on that

[fast karma]

war scythes makes more sense at lower tiers.. upper ones youd look at some form of glaive

[light silo]

ok, not too versed on midevial history

[light silo]

I just looked up war scythe and grabbed a picture

[tired pasture]

medieval

[light silo]

ok grammar police, sorry

[tired pasture]

this is basic english idk what ur on abt

i dont even fluently speak it

[severe loom]

custombrust

It's a good club. They have been engaged in reconstruction since the USSR

[void stream]

yes, there are people who are fucking unbearable

[tired pasture]

i have like what

7

lol

and a boyfriend

lalalalala

[void stream]

i've just been looking at some illustrations of manuscripts and i've seen this cuirass that i know but i've forgotten the name, if anyone can remind me i'd be grateful, and is it possible for this cuirass to appear in the half sword?

and btw the source is BSB Clm 3003 Speculum humanae salvationis

[tired pasture]

i dont care

[terse bronze]

Can I be your 8th friend!

[tired pasture]

yes

[terse bronze]

Kastenbrust

[tired pasture]

my 8th fiend

[terse bronze]

Yippeee !

[terse bronze]

@void stream

[void stream]

thanks man!

[wraith dew]

Easy, both of you be nice to each other.

[void stream]

now this is a creepy shield

[terse bronze]

aight that just so cool!?

[toxic breach]

Omg the bevor from Halfsword irl

[wise mantle]

Half Sword?

[torn osprey]

is that a jojo reference?

[light silo]

sorry mom

[left coral]

Wonder dared me to post this here and that technically counts as an order, and I don’t wanna lose me job so here we go

Obviously on some bullshit

[vocal vale]

why does that sword have a weird messer hook

[mellow goblet]

Hmm

Sword piercing armor

[wraith dew]

Somebody must'a been REALLY Fuckin' angry to be able to exert that much force unto 3~3.6mm thick steal!

That or truly shite armor.

[toxic breach]

https://tenor.com/view/chew-chewing-gum-trident-caveat-andrea-gif-23590639

[mighty fiber]

I don’t think it was that thick but I don’t know much

[toxic breach]

But who knows much?

[mighty fiber]

I think like 1-3 millimeters or smth is more accurate

[mighty fiber]

Sam of Saturn does

Prob

[lone osprey]

from the knight and the blast furnace

[fast karma]

sooo.. looking at that chart its easy to just think armors got better. the armors were as thick as they needed to be to avoid being pierced. to make it thicker wasnt an issue, it just wasnt needed. the later ones on that chart are meant to stop gunshot...

[terse bronze]

https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/53902526783550015/ for armor thicknesses

plenty of different pieces too

[lone osprey]

yeah exactly right lol
the author has way more analysis on the hardness of the armour and its really fascinating. I do like how thick they got in an attempt to bulletproof them though

[lone osprey]

thats a cool diagram

[lone osprey]

are there images of poleaxes actually being used in medieval warfare and not just for fencing and judicial combat

[robust tendon]

yea, many

I don’t have any on hand

but they were a common(ish) infantry weapon

nvm

[rocky sand]

This happened to my friend Eric once

[vocal vale]

this is really cool, i've been meaning to get my hands on that book

[vocal vale]

i assume you could find a lot in depictions of english foot combat

[vocal vale]

#1287593676435886180
#1287593473217790034
#1287593500208005200

[turbid shadow]

you didnt see that did ya?

[ancient pivot]

I might have

[turbid shadow]

my humble apologies for that eyesore

me when Im looking at a cool reference just to see some guy post a rather questionable gif

[ancient pivot]

Questionable is putting it mildly lmao

[turbid shadow]

yeah its totally more than that lmfao

[next orchid]

theres no data on this!

[robust tendon]

Well, there are depictions around

iirc

I could very well be wrong though

[next orchid]

yes they used them (a lot) but theres no data on whether the "majority" used them (over other weapons)

certainly was not the norm prior to the 1420s

[robust tendon]

I see, thanks for the info

[next orchid]

eg, the French at Azincourt used shortened (to 5 feet probably) lances

[lone osprey]

from Bodleian Ms. Laud Misc. 733 dated 1440-50

it also had this but I don't know anything about that, really

[terse bronze]

"the crabbe"

[reef lynx]

Sword must have been shot from a crossbow like this one
https://youtu.be/aUc8v27Kd6w?si=71TeRrsHfKUVG2GY

[reef lynx]

That wouldn't happen to be Call to Arms in Australia would it?

[terse bronze]

No

It's in Czechia i think

Or Poland

i forgor

[vocal vale]

bicoques !!!!

great illustrations of their opening mechanism

[toxic breach]

fellows call me the opening mechanism

[vocal vale]

i love wrappers that stop below the visor like this

[fleet junco]

Why

What do wrappers even do

[vocal vale]

extra layer of reinforcement

similar to a double grand gardbrace but for the helmet

[toxic breach]

No they were invented to please SamofSaturns visual needs

[vocal vale]

im sure they probably help protect the mechanism to open and close the armet

[fleet junco]

I dont think it historical accurate but it look cool

[vocal vale]

in a place where you cant put a small flange you can put the plate over the whole front of the face

[vocal vale]

why do you think its not accurate

[fleet junco]

Armet look weird not going to lie

[vocal vale]

its flemish

flemish close sallet

note that you cant see the strike through the middle to open it like an armet

[fleet junco]

I forgot

[lost pawn]

"It's so over."

[true zodiac]

St.Peter!!!!

[terse bronze]

this will be me in half sword

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227412021243281509/1289675161590825072/SZmT9LFuLCJMtjDAJ_znPB4Zt5yx9ZSW4TwaP-b10xBZ-GbiDdV0i4mvHnIRZ2cnRDTGl4WHyToAT7j4K2Oy3CsO.png?ex=66f9af17&is=66f85d97&hm=2eb1a1899f9e119dbcede3b0f3438f2de6e533f126a8334e12fc5a54416a9a8f&

[left coral]

Me the moment women are added to half sword fr

[upper lintel]

will they also be bald?

[toxic breach]

Preferably

[left coral]

Average encounter in the Middle Ages:

[copper nova]

Why be armoured everywhere except for your hands
That feels like a major mistake in picking out your armour

[next orchid]

clammy hands

[toxic breach]

He spent all his shillings and couldn't afford gauntlets

[next orchid]

these men are too well dressed to be englishmen, so no shillings to be had

[terse bronze]

Guh

[velvet wedge]

Gauntlets massively decrease dexterity for the things a soldier during medieval things has to do besides fighting

And as u can see those guys arent in a battle

Omg hi kevlar onion

[terse bronze]

Hel,lo

[velvet wedge]

Long time no see

[terse bronze]

It's true and real

[terse bronze]

???

[vocal vale]

mordhau and album covers are not historical sources

refrain

[wraith dew]

Birb

[vocal vale]

📌

[vast gust]

Lame

[vocal vale]

what did you think the channel was for

[vast gust]

What do you think i posted for?

[vocal vale]

..star wars?

[vast gust]

It was a joke.

Sense of humor please.

Thank you, have a nice day.

[vocal vale]

dawg you just posted something that doesn’t fit the channel and made a “hmm.. lightsabers” joke

[humble pagoda]

I thought that was a painting

[robust tendon]

1464

[lone osprey]

other related images with the same pose as this?
holding the weapon horizontally in front of thighs
could I please see them

[fleet junco]

Ikr!!!!

[terse bronze]

too early for the game

[robust tendon]

churburger

churburger from mchurburg

[fleet junco]

Fuck you kevlar

Im sorry

I ahouldnt have said that

[fleet junco]

Dog

Cab we get pink tabard

Would be hashtag awesome

[terse bronze]

true

[vocal vale]

samn

[terse bronze]

Saint George and a group of disciplinati
painting by Lorenzo Fasolo

i think it's late 80s

[oak forge]

pula

[fleet junco]

Why horse cross it leg???

[terse bronze]

quirky

[whole anchor]

anyone know what these holes on the helmets are for?

[mystic bear]

id say breathibg holes because that particular helmet has no space between the metal and skin

[vocal vale]

it’s on the back of the head

and realistically it would

[vocal vale]

plume and liner mounters i figure

[mystic bear]

mabye even used to display the helmet at a shop

[vocal vale]

it would have been made on commission for a specific person so there would be no reason to have a hole through it specifically to advertise it

[mystic bear]

fair

[whole anchor]

Ah alr thanks

[fleet junco]

Plunes and shit

[agile star]

bro went in the time machine for this picture. also why does the guy with the sallet have it down is he asking to die

the visor

is not visoring

why is it up

bro is facing people with billhooks n shit

[fleet junco]

Many helmets do not have visors and people still wear them

Its ok

[terse bronze]

redditors after learning the importance of visibility

[robust tendon]

redditors after learning

[next orchid]

"If we know how to parry and our opponent is heavily armored, it is often useful to have a visor that lifts up so that our breath endures longer and we can see better what to do. This hardly ever puts us in danger, especially if we have iron gauntlets to deflect the opponent’s weapon. But those who fight crudely need to be heavily protected everywhere: such people act like blacksmiths hammering at each other.

Long breaths are very beneficial in fighting on foot or horseback, so we should exercise to develop strong breathing, if it is denied to us by nature."

• Pietro Monte

[next orchid]

monte is very useful in such an endeavor 😌

[peak lava]

big chungus wholesome

[heady oar]

I can say this myself, when I wear shoulder pads and make it tight, it protects me more but causes me to lose breath after 10 seconds

[next orchid]

(i should say that some people have said in the past that the visor is lifted immediately after the charge, or worn up for foot combat. but i have seen no evidence for such, and it was probably largely preference)

[terse bronze]

https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections/view/841/34_hours_of_antoine_de_crvecur_bc_ms_4#372957

[astral trench]

ugly dog

[fleet junco]

Add me into the game

[vocal vale]

heck yeah

helmets that are different from the rest of the harness ❤️‍🔥

[fleet junco]

He broken his helmet from his set 😦

[copper parrot]

@candid dawn its a little bit late, however

[sullen sail]

I feel this would apply in this channel

https://youtube.com/shorts/QdZybEq1PyE?si=cKE7rnNpjtOMtkwG

[sullen sail]

Just like all Frenchmen, cowards. Armour is way too shiny for a courageous soldier

[robust tendon]

kill this mf

does bro not know france’s military history

[sullen sail]

Boooo

Frenchie

I do

I respect the French for some aspects

But the French in general are awful

[terse bronze]

You're an absolute buffoon, + that's a german kit

Fucking spaz

[terse bronze]

Average redditor/discord mf lacking a brain and following a trend without any understanding whatsoever

[sullen sail]

I'm not the one who posted a kit with the French flag on the helmets

I'm not a fucking historian

Warned for xenophobia is crazy. I'll stop ig

But bro calling me a spaz over a kit with no backlash is also crazy

[terse bronze]

Blue white and red was, in fact, not the french flag at this period in the middle ages

[sullen sail]

Enlighten me

[terse bronze]

And the Armor style isn't western european anyway

[sullen sail]

Again

I wouldn't know that

[terse bronze]

Then stfu?

[sullen sail]

?

[terse bronze]

That's not why I called you a spaz lol

[sullen sail]

Then why

[terse bronze]

Probably because you went out of your way to hate on France and call french cowards and awful lol?

[sullen sail]

Ok?

[terse bronze]

This guy

[sullen sail]

Bro has never been to Paris

[terse bronze]

I have

Several times

To think Paris sum up France or the french is insane

[sullen sail]

Moving on. What's with the colours on the German kit?

[terse bronze]

They're just colors

Don't think it's linked to any german city or something, but could

[sullen sail]

Tad misleading but alright

[terse bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227412021243281509/1291452527858155540/461935329_10162261129694612_1982175555498144227_n.png?ex=6700cf24&is=66ff7da4&hm=0af47d501af28491b2a8ab12c8c56f0fb69fda7ba0e5dccba175975080cbe2d1&

[terse bronze]

How?

[sullen sail]

The reaction plus to us uneducated folk it straight just looks like the modern French flag

[terse bronze]

Well I didn't react

[sullen sail]

Ik

It doesn't help tho

[terse bronze]

Plus yes, THE MODERN flag

[sullen sail]

I'm not a historian, I wouldn't instantly recognise the period correct French flag

most people would recognise the modern one

[terse bronze]

Back then the flag of the french kingdom was all blue with 3 gold fleur de lys

[sullen sail]

Perspective

Ahhh

That ine

One

[terse bronze]

Another sort of flag/identification that would be used by french soldiers and allies would be a blue background (or any color really but the most common were blue, red or green) with a white cross on it

[robust tendon]

so true

french bad!1!1!1

[terse bronze]

Like how anglos had red cross on white background

[sullen sail]

Ah right

[terse bronze]

St Georges cross vs St. Michael cross

[robust tendon]

lmao it’s a joke

just looks like the modern flag

[sullen sail]

This but white not black?

[terse bronze]

Imagine the quebec flag

For France i mean

[sullen sail]

I meant for the st Michael

[terse bronze]

And England still uses the same st Georges cross on their flag

[sullen sail]

Best I could find is that St Michael is the traditional templar Christian Cross

[sullen sail]

We do

[terse bronze]

Yeah look at the quebec flag

[sullen sail]

Ohh I see

Gotcha

[terse bronze]

In manuscripts we also see English having a red cross on other backgrounds aswell

Red on black, on green, on blue even

[sullen sail]

I've seen those variants in some places

[terse bronze]

The Savoy flag is also another example of what french soldiers could have worn on their surcoat during that time

White cross but red background

[sullen sail]

A reverse st George

Essentially

[terse bronze]

Pretty much

[fleet junco]

@terse bronze

[robust tendon]

@fleet junco

[fleet junco]

Wsg

[amber junco]

pls

if you squint, it looks historically accurate?

[sullen sail]

Sigh

[robust tendon]

can we vaporize this guy

[agile trench]

Mfw someone tries to apply meme culture to actual history

[vocal vale]

voiderboy

[prisma raven]

source?

[fleet junco]

Add source

[upper lintel]

No idea 😭

sorry gregory

[cold shuttle]

Hear me out

[lone topaz]

nuh uh

that is like 3 centuries too old

[cold shuttle]

😦

I need to contemplate

[lone topaz]

games set in 1450-1470

[vocal vale]

daring today aren’t we

[torpid urchin]

is this dated correctly

[next orchid]

yes, it is by Augusto B. These are theoretical drawings of armets shown in art

[kindred tapir]

Italy mention
Pizza mode: ON

CHE MERAVIGLIA

[upper lintel]

Right?

[vague bear]

https://www.academia.edu/4263941/Excerpt_from_Surviving_Examples_of_Early_Plate_Armour_1300-1430_Volume_I_Bascinets

[vocal vale]

ocularia look like it done got stung by a bees

[lone osprey]

based and greenpilled

[void stream]

look i think it's just a bit out of the timeline of where the half sword takes place which is in the 15th century

[vital tartan]

it's though

cool

idk why i forgot to type cool

[vital tartan]

i also think mostly the helmets will be added cause they're the coolest part. if anything is added that is

from this i mean

[void stream]

even if they are cool, it's out of time where the game takes place

then they probably won't be added

only if there's a DLC but I think that's very unlikely to happen

[neon linden]

Yeah that’s alright, just reminded me of the playtest in the arena

[terse bronze]

15thc

14th century = 1300s

15th century = 1400

and the game takes place in.. 📌

[void stream]

thank you for correcting me

[civic glade]

Does anyone recognize this piece? I saw it unsourced on twitter so i have no idea where its from or if its original or modern

[vocal vale]

Maximilian's Tomb in Innsbruck

statues completed in the early 1500s i believe

all meant to depict real and made up ancestors of emperor maximilian

[civic glade]

Oh man, extremely extremely hard

[vocal vale]

whole bunch of statues

[lone osprey]

there's a great 3D scan of Theoderic on the right there on this site:
https://threedscans.com/court-church-innsbruck/theodoric-the-great/

your browser will give like a redirect warning because the website's certificate, but it's totally legit and here is the info page

you can open it up in windows' 3d viewer and get straight to that creepy candlelit vibe lol

I always thought they would make really cool slow creaky enemies given theyre gigantic

would have loved it if the rest of them got scanned

hoping to visit next february

[fleet junco]

He has some back issues but i think its ok

Just need a chriprqctor

[lone osprey]

Its okay hes got his hammer to rest on he'll make a full recovery 👍

Hes been through a lot after all

[vocal vale]

that's sad

[haughty creek]

Isn’t that recreation by steel mastery?

[terse bronze]

That looks like it's made for buhurt

[vocal vale]

yeah not great

[runic silo]

Guys can anyone tell me the name of this style of hat

I kind of like it but I don’t know what it’s called

I search and all the references to this hat just call it a medieval cap

[fast karma]

why the lance cut-out though?

[terse bronze]

to be closer to real harnesses ig ?

Either way it's looks wacky

[fast karma]

real had both...

[terse bronze]

skibidi

[lone osprey]

i think either toque or sugar loaf hat

[runic silo]

I guess there isn’t a specific name since I look it up and it shows various styles of medieval felt hats

I think toque fits it best

[lone osprey]

lacks the rim in HS / your picture
but almost identical shape
from 2011 Doreen Yarwood - Illustrated Encyclopedia of World Costume

toque becomes a confusing term with more modern hats imo

[bright token]

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/65161525853363719/

I like the design of elbow guard's 'wing', and the cuisses.

[robust tendon]

terrible repro

Gambeson underneath

[next orchid]

historically accurate

stops the blunt force impact

[robust tendon]

are you sure?

majority of depictions show a doublet

eg how a man shall be armed

[next orchid]

yeah i was joking lol

[robust tendon]

fuck

[next orchid]

i was going to lead up with "yeah its why if u wrap a jacket over ur head and i smack you with this hammer you will live, but if i hit u with it when ur wearing a helmet you will die"

[turbid shadow]

honest reaction

[next orchid]

there is legit padding for the joints though

(Pietro Monte)

(and King Rene)

[robust tendon]

yeah iirc they quilted around the shoulders

for comfort

[robust tendon]

not always but for some arming clothes

[next orchid]

both Rene and Monte have padding for the shoulders and elbows (and hands for Monte) is because they can get hurt by the blunt force from maces (and the clipped swords in the case of Rene)

Monte says mace (hammer) strikes commonly hit the shoulders (i think 3 times?), as well as the hands

"To protect us from mace-blows, our gauntlets should be roomy in the hands, allowing us to insert a cloth to keep the iron plate from impacting the hand. Also the elbow-guards and the scapularia (which in the vernacular are called pauldrons) should not sit on the shoulders, but should be well elevated so that they do not sit on them; this way the mace cannot hurt us so much with its blows."

"Straps of this sort are more necessary in the pauldrons and gauntlets than anywhere else, for in these places we receive many blows from maces."

• Pietro Monte

[robust tendon]

is there any particular reason it was more common to be hit with those weapons in those areas?

[next orchid]

the joints are vulnerable to blunt force impact and can cause great pain there (or even dislocate; Saladin dislocated Reynauld's shoulder with a sword for example, obviously no pauldrons). since the mace rarely offends with the point, you strike the weakest parts (the head, the hands, the shoulders, elbows if able, collarbone, etc.)

and on horseback you will often be limited in time to strike as well as limited in the ability to punish the opponent

[robust tendon]

i see

[next orchid]

when on foot, the primary joint to strike at is the knees (and if you miss and hit with the haft, you draw back the axe to break their stance). obviously you strike the head too. dont know if theres much striking the shoulders

[bright token]

Sallets by Francois L’Archeveque

[vocal vale]

made by me

[tawny zephyr]

Yo that's really neat

I know nothing of 15th century close helms, so I have no idea how accurate that is, but it's certainly going to my reference folder

pretty nice work @vocal vale

[drifting vortex]

Bascinet

[terse bronze]

no

[drifting vortex]

What wrong with it

Also cool name

[void stream]

it's outside the timeline of the game although the bascinet was used until around the year 1450 but at that time it was used very little so there's no point in adding it.

it is possible to appear in the game but the chance is very slim

[terse bronze]

it's also badly made

poorly shaped ect

it's a cheap repro for larp

[vocal vale]

well you can check the sides for my sources for each piece if you want to educated yousef

[tawny zephyr]

eww no 15th century stuff is way too futuristic and cyberpunk /s

[vocal vale]

added more visors, notable configurations, decoration, a few more sources, more bevors

[next orchid]

Behold, the most well armed Italian footman

[tawny zephyr]

how much do you charge for adding a variation with a party hat instead of a crest?

[mighty fiber]

Hella Aura 😩

[robust tendon]

we almost have him

just need the plume and the gloves

[vocal vale]

and the wrapper !

[vague bear]

1472

[vocal vale]

where would the second pair of arming points at the arm go

[vague bear]

Unknown

[vocal vale]

any guesses ?

[vague bear]

Yes the artist was either foolish or it is an epical fashion statement

The true answer is unknown/esoteric

[terse bronze]

securing the pauldrons/rearbrace?

That's not the only image of those "double" points iicr

doubt it's a mistake

look at the third guy kneeling

[vague bear]

Notice the Judenhut helmet

[terse bronze]

uh?

also here

[vague bear]

Wdym "uh?"

[terse bronze]

And here

[vague bear]

is there an issue of sorts

[terse bronze]

and here

[terse bronze]

Not too familiar with judenhuts in the 15thc but i don't see any in the pic?

but again all the judenhuts i've seen in arts are from the 14thc and earlier so they have wacky shapes

[vague bear]

Yes the shape evolved overtime

[terse bronze]

This guy also has 2 pair of points

here aswell

[vague bear]

For example helmets in the style of the judenhut prior looked like this however overtime they evolved

[terse bronze]

there too

hot

[vocal vale]

would the extra arming point nullify the need for a belted rerebrace

arm harnesses are kind of complicated for me to understand in the 15th century

[terse bronze]

[vocal vale]

from what i understand they went from one big unit to smaller "floating" pieces, right ?

i feel like i see a lot more belts

[quasi tundra]

They 2 pairs are only ceremonial

Note how halfsword only has 1 set

[vocal vale]

what do you mean ceremonial

[terse bronze]

he's trolling ignore

[vocal vale]

[vocal vale]

or were there arm harnesses and floating pieces that coexisted

because i know sometimes the larger couters were belted to the elbow and sometimes they were "stapled" to the couter below it

[quasi tundra]

Yes bro deflect arguments w/ "theyre trolling" when you can't counter

Because you are unaware of the realities of armor etc

[terse bronze]

You have absolutely no sources for claiming it's "ceremonial only"

[quasi tundra]

Have you read treatises on armor

[terse bronze]

so yeah you're trolling

[vocal vale]

why would strings be ceremonial

[quasi tundra]

For the same reason only the upper rerabrace was worn as a fashion statement

Martial attire becoming a civilian fashion thing isnt unheard of

[terse bronze]

But the rearbrace is armor than you can take on and off, it's a concious choice to keep it on

has nothing to do with ceremony

[quasi tundra]

Indeed but with strings they do not obstruct you in anything

[terse bronze]

it's just militaristic fashion

[quasi tundra]

Well the 2 pairs of arming cords is ceremonial

[terse bronze]

to show that you're le epic soldier

I hardly see how this would apply on a doublet tbh

especially for like

the points

[quasi tundra]

Why if anything its harder to believe that vis a vis armor

Because armor/steel isnt conventional fashion

[terse bronze]

What's your source on that?

[quasi tundra]

The armor treatises

[elder topaz]

What are you all talking about?

[terse bronze]

Can you show them to me?

[vocal vale]

decorative arming points

which i for one have never heard of

[quasi tundra]

This fellow believes the 2 arming point sets on doublet arms aren't ceremonial

Whereas they are actually

[elder topaz]

Oh like the doublets with an extra pair of strings?

[terse bronze]

those "armor treatises" that tells about the ceremonial arming points

[vocal vale]

saying "the armor treatises" doesnt really

[terse bronze]

can you send it

[elder topaz]

Yeah what about them?

[vocal vale]

yeah

[quasi tundra]

Ok I will

[vocal vale]

he's saying its "ceremonial" but he hasnt sent anything to back that up (yet)

i asked about the second pair of strings a second ago because of it in art

and the arming points are a bit of a blindspot for me

[terse bronze]

We're not talking about how it shows up outside of martial use, we're talking about their existance period

more

[elder topaz]

I read a theory from Vasary about how they represent the duality of Christ.

[vocal vale]

[elder topaz]

I haven't read the text in a while so I don't quite remember his source.

[quasi tundra]

In von Deysen's chronicle (1487) he recounts a "Small moorish boy" dressing the knight in civilian attire for going to town:
"A small moorish boye , my squire, dressed in me in my doublet with 4 Cords hanging off my arme, Upon my announcing we will go to town. "
(Getty translation)

[vocal vale]

yeah

[terse bronze]

Nothing here says they're ceremonial

[vocal vale]

yeah

[quasi tundra]

Yet have you read the context of the chronicle?

[vocal vale]

i have not

elaboration like that is important

[terse bronze]

he's dressing him up in "civilian attire for going to town"

ok

so?

Does it mean a rearbrace is a ceremonial piece because they wore it standalone on their "civilian" fits?

[quasi tundra]

Hmmm that's mistaken.

[vocal vale]

[terse bronze]

I have no hard time thinking that maybe the arming points, like rearbraces for instance, became militaristic fashions outside of martial contexts

I still have to read a credible sources that talk about this but it wouldnt surprise me

however just saying "oh the existence of 4 points on one arm is ceremonial" is a bit huge tbh

[quasi tundra]

I didnt mean "ceremonial" in that they were worn during ceremonies/procession but in this context

Again in Van Deysen,
"For such purposes as the beginnings of knighthood [that being knighting], it is become polite to attach a second bout of ties to one's attire for to display the duality of Christ as man and God . . ."

[vocal vale]

@elder topaz !

[terse bronze]

That's already better

[vocal vale]

right on the money

that's super cool

[elder topaz]

Interesting.

[terse bronze]

but then what's the context, what's the second one he's talking about and what's the date of this

[quasi tundra]

1487

its still van deysen

[terse bronze]

Did he talk about it retroactively ?

Because a bunch of the ones I posted above are before that date

[elder topaz]

accidental reaction

[terse bronze]

I'd assume he did

[terse bronze]

That's why i said trolling at the beginning lol

the old joke of "it's ceremonial"

Still kinda have a hard time believing they would only be symbolic but good source

[vocal vale]

its very cool that they are

ughhh now i gotta spend like an hour figuring out all the arm harness configurations

[terse bronze]

gl

[quasi tundra]

Well van treysen doesnt exist I made that Source up

[terse bronze]

tragic!

[terse bronze]

i would have checked if I was on my pc

lucky boy i'm on phone playing space marines

[vocal vale]

could this be $20?

[terse bronze]

who's that

[vocal vale]

if this is the same guy then its his 3rd alt

Bro dedicated

but idk anyone can make up a source

[terse bronze]

Yeah but then you'll have to double check

which i cannot do atm...

[vocal vale]

now i have to scrub a fact from my brain

[oak spade]

https://fixupx.com/Mud_and_Blood/status/1846366823870083370

[robust tendon]

this is awesome but out of period for the game unfortunately

1450-1480 is the range

[robust tendon]

c. 1464

[prisma raven]

Drawing by Boris Gauda ☝️

[vocal vale]

love boris

[random jolt]

omg

[void stream]

man i really want this kettle with eye slits to appear in the game someday

[left coral]

Those square bevors a thing? I’ve never seen one outside of art

[robust tendon]

seems so, they're depicted for a reason ;d

[left coral]

Quite cool

[left coral]

I’d always thought they were cuz artists couldn’t depict round 3D ish curves well, but I mean obvs not lmfao

[lone topaz]

'Serbian armor and equipment, 14th-15th century'
Belgrade military museum

[lone topaz]

found the rest of the exhibit

unsure how historical it is

[whole anchor]

Anyone know what sword this is called?

[lone osprey]

looks like a type of falchion blade

[terse bronze]

Hell naw

That is not 14 nor 15thc

I would even be surprised if it was actually a genuine surviving 16th-17thc piece

[robust tendon]

yeah it looks very poorly made

[lone topaz]

The armor definetly isint but the weapons and chainmail do seem good

[next orchid]

curtilace or fauchion

[vocal vale]

something approximating a rapier, ~1470

[torpid urchin]

what does squanderel mean

when willy says it

[vocal vale]

scoundrel

[potent tangle]

i thought they said squanderer

[vocal vale]

pretty cool cross

[cinder folio]

is this a leak. O:

[vocal vale]

what do you mean is this a leak

[cinder folio]

i was kidding.

would it be cool if it was in the game though?

[terse bronze]

It's too late for the game

[lone topaz]

could still;

[terse bronze]

that is pretty different from a late 16thc arquebusier

which was my point

[lone topaz]

thats true i just meant the game could still have guns of a different variety

unlikely as it may be to actually be ingame

[lone osprey]

i feel like its just worth leaving the guns or anything ranged to DaDG. even KC2 got that medieval gun at least which will probably be out sooner

Half Sword going good with what its focusing on

[terse bronze]

if anything I feel like guns should be "cheat weapons"

as in you can only access them with cheats or admin menu or whatever

[upper lintel]

Good luck hitting an single shot with them

[vocal vale]

from 100 yards, 7/8 shots hit

[next orchid]

This one is long musket. Also practical accuracy freehand standing, rather than mechanical accuracy.

Bottom is very short handgun

[next orchid]

People not use 19th century art impossible challenge

[lone topaz]

It's convenient

[upper lintel]

I meant in game

[robust tendon]

so true

[flat warren]

it’s convenient

[next orchid]

when you go to god, you cannot say virtue was not convenient at the time 😏

also it isnt because theres a period depiction right there

[flat warren]

[bleak ore]

we need black sallets in the game and proper halberds

I also would like to see Brigandine cuirasses

[next orchid]

may i never see steel-mastery.com, amen

[bitter pewter]

I could never agree more

[robust tendon]

not a good reproduction or reference at all

steel mastery makes this shit btw

[terse bronze]

There's already proper Halberds, both the pics you posted are later than the games setting.

Also yeah fucking steel-mastery lol

[terse bronze]

More like steal-fartery amarite

[tawny zephyr]

May I offer you arm street instead?

Also, don't just complain about a bad brigandine repro, post good repros too, any excuse is good for posting pretty armour

[terse bronze]

That's even worse lol

[tawny zephyr]

Hey, 15th century is not my specialty, cursed armour is

Now consider this a threat, post nice pictures of nice brigandines or I won't post pictures of cursed, historically accurate pizza cutter armour

[terse bronze]

you couldve just aasked nicely..

[tawny zephyr]

I get a kick out of writing "cursed, historically accurate pizza cutter armour" every time

[tawny zephyr]

Great colour combo on this one wow

[terse bronze]

the blue of the brig is based on this iicr

[tawny zephyr]

Absolutely lovely

[terse bronze]

check these out doe

[tawny zephyr]

Wait, I know these ones, I've seen them before. Who made these again?

I'm not usually a fan of brocade fabric, but I'd open an exception if someone gave one of these to me as a gift

[terse bronze]

https://www.facebook.com/ArmourServices

[tawny zephyr]

Thank you

Have the pizza cutter armour, as promised

[terse bronze]

I mean

a rondel is a rondel

[vocal vale]

holy cannoli

[tawny zephyr]

I'm this close to getting a set of elbows with a rondel to recreate that

[tawny zephyr]

Does anyone have a repro of a good leeds brigandine? It's closer to what @bleak ore suggested!

[terse bronze]

the ones i posted are pretty much it

[robust tendon]

this based off of anything in particular?

i can kind of recall a ms but i have no idea which one

[terse bronze]

pastrana tapestries

[tawny zephyr]

I meant the pattern where you have bigger plates around the chest area

[bleak ore]

When I posted those references I more so meant something like those but not exactly those items. I am just curious though, what is the exact time that half sword takes place, is it early 15th century mid or late 15th century

[robust tendon]

1450-80

[bleak ore]

Ok

So were black Sallets used after that period or was it just that specific one?

[bleak ore]

How about halberds like these

[ancient pivot]

You got any sources for the tassets?

[terse bronze]

Pastrana Tapestries are the most well known ones

[terse bronze]

black sallets in general

[bleak ore]

Aw man

[terse bronze]

there's sallets in one-piece tho

Like such

which are cool as fuck!!

[bleak ore]

Oh that looks nice

I was thinking of black sallets for the lower class soldiers I wonder if they still had some strange ones in the mid 1400s

[terse bronze]

yknow black sallets weren't really for the lower classes

since they were prefered by light cavalrymen

you still had to have a horse and shit

[bleak ore]

Oh I did not know that

[terse bronze]

and what if it looked rough it wasn't a problem because they were covered in decorated and rich textile (except a few swiss? sources where they are polished but keep that very elongated black sallet profile)

[bleak ore]

So would a commoners sallet still be rough and forge blacked?

Or would they pay the extra money for it to be polished

[terse bronze]

This would be a pretty common sallet amongst troops

[terse bronze]

could be

but polishing it is a very good way to actually maintain you gear and keep it from rusting and stuff so

Also the type of helmets could vary from skullcaps, to sallets, kettles and allat

[bleak ore]

Thank you for bringing that to light for me

[bleak ore]

Yeah I was under the impression that the rough shape of the black Sallets were more munitions grade

Specifically the way that the tail isn't hammered into a curve down the back of the head

[next orchid]

Why the archer shooting like that is he dumb

[next orchid]

That was the original academic idea. However, it might be coincidental, or it derived from some poor's helmet, but certainly by the time they became mainstream enough they're pretty heavily decorated, being used by men with horses expensive enough to break a lance. As for polishing, makes no sense since the poorer foot soldiers had polished their armor, and the cuirass, vambraces, and gauntlets, and cuisses they wore would have been polished.

If you are somehow too poor to get a polished helmet, you are way too poor for everything else a soldier needs

[bleak ore]

Very good point

Thank you all for the good info I still have many things to learn

[next orchid]

i will say the current "consensus" agrees with your original point, but it is pretty much illogical and based on the writings of 19th century men (and the study of armor has, for the most part, laid entirely to the amateur in recent years)

[lone osprey]

looks Nazarene

details?

[sturdy lily]

I saw this painting in the Cathedral of Our Lady in Antwerp

[lone osprey]

cool

says its
Louis Hendrix 1866
IV Station of the Cross
Jesus Meets His Mother

going to look up more by him 👍

[sturdy lily]

Oh dang you found the source

[unkempt rampart]

Historical events being depicted in the wrong time period gotta be some of my favorite works

[bleak ore]

Just curious is a brigandine like this historically accurate

[vocal vale]

yeah pavel's a good armorer

[bleak ore]

Yes!!!!!! I was hoping so!

[warped vessel]

what did people use throughout history to cheaply armor themselves?

me and my freind are getting into fencing together and being its only the two of us to start we wanna hopefully make some sort of armour out of metal scraps or something so any suggestions no matter how hard to replicate would be great, even if we cant make it id want to take a bunch of aspects that work and combine them into one frankenstein set over time

[vocal vale]

are you looking at something similar to the 1400s?

or just... whenever

[warped vessel]

literally whatever worked at one point or another

[next orchid]

u should buy hema gear

[warped vessel]

im tryna get as much inspiration as possible

[next orchid]

there was this one plastic hema breastplate that works for harness fencing if u wanna go down that route

i would save up for actual armor

[warped vessel]

too expensive and we both trust eachother not to break eachother

[vocal vale]

mac armory comes to mind

https://www.mac-armour.cz/protective-equipment

[warped vessel]

we have easier access to the tools to make the armor than the money to buy it

[vocal vale]

got my elbow cops from them, good, sturdy, comfy, cool as hell

[warped vessel]

not only that but ive already made my weapons completely from scratch so im tryna keep that going

[next orchid]

for fencing?

[warped vessel]

yeah we werent interested in sword fencing so me and her are starting with polearm fencing

so i figure before we can do anything of actual magnitude we should have something protecting our bones

[next orchid]

u really need a stab proof coat for both of you

[warped vessel]

that we know

that wasnt up for debate we both agreed on that

its just the plate armor thats the issue

[next orchid]

u also need gloves and fencing mask for sure.

i would also say knee, elbow, and shoulder pads... its expensive but u really dont wanna fuck up ur joints and hands

[warped vessel]

no yeah we were gonna start with the jacket and helmet and see how bad it hurt

[next orchid]

u can probably use just a wooden staff to begin with. historically thats what many did for training

[warped vessel]

i actually already made a polehammer and a warhammer

[next orchid]

yeah man u can NOT use metal polearms, u will literally kill each other lmao

[warped vessel]

that and a spike dagger and a little dirk sword thing

[warped vessel]

we arent that stupid we didnt even think about buying real weapons

we cant even afford the armor lol

[vocal vale]

that's pretty sweet

[warped vessel]

i'm not done yet either i still have to decorate those and then im making a bow and a longsword

i've already made a bow but it broke on me sadly and i never got to remake one

[tawny zephyr]

Very important question: Cheap today or cheap back then? The answers vary wildly

[robust tendon]

a very good resource for period depictions https://warfare.x10host.com/index.htm

[warped vessel]

cheap to make back then

[tawny zephyr]

padded armour

well, cheap to an extent

[warped vessel]

anything i could replicate with amateur forging too

[tawny zephyr]

See, there's the problem, nowadays it's much, much cheaper to get materials

Steel is ridiculously cheap, actually

while historically it was pretty expensive

It's not hard to make a coat of plates today

doesn't even need heat, really

[warped vessel]

that's what i was thinking

[tawny zephyr]

want a book on the basics of armouring?

should be a good starting point

[warped vessel]

i'd love that actually

[tawny zephyr]

http://turm.ee/sodalased/Basic-Armouring.pdf

[warped vessel]

alright awesome

i'll take a look at this when i get the chance

thank you though 🙏

[tawny zephyr]

No problem

This is an old book, and not all pieces are historically accurate

but it was a great starting point for me

[warped vessel]

no yeah i gave it a look already and it's literally what i came in here looking for basically

[tawny zephyr]

Feel free to pm me with questions. I'm pretty amateur-ish when it comes to making armour, but maybe I can help

[warped vessel]

alright we shall see then

thank you again buddy

[vocal vale]

@warped vessel also see Techniques of Medieval Armor Reproduction of the 14th Century by Brian R. Price

you can find it online if you look

[feral abyss]

What's this called

[robust tendon]

what’s what called

[lone topaz]

gorgeous helmet decoration on top

[turbid shadow]

da crest

[lone osprey]

Royal Armouries, MS PHIL 1, fol. 1r.
"Ordinances of Chivalry of Philip IV of France". French, late 15th century

I love that profile of the visor or wrapper on the left so much

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[tiny valve]

i understand why peasantry couldn't read before

[void stream]

any chance of the swiss halberd appearing in the game? Because I really like the design of this polearm and I would really like it to appear in the game if possible.

I think it's possible for it to appear since this Swiss version appears in the small buhurt mode photo and also appears in the spoilance mode icon, but I could also be wrong and it won't appear in the game.

[terse bronze]

Those are different from thé one you posted

[tiny valve]

Those are different