Vibe Reverse Engineering Toolset

[rose oasis]

none are good enough for modding games

if that's what you're after

[distant tendon]

I see

just mostly fixing stuff in the custom remix

I usually use claude and gemini, I geniunely don't know how flash sometimes solves issues that claude doesnt manage to see

[golden raven]

Okay

It's a new day

Yesterday was thoroughly painful

Let's see if shit works

lemme get my cough syrup first

[distant tendon]

get well soon

[pine coral]

https://tenor.com/view/raggedy-ann-raggedy-andy-dxm-cough-syrup-cough-medicine-gif-18037357967110783584

[solemn epoch]

The best one that you can actually run at home is Qwen3.6 27B

From what I've heard it is actually somewhat capable

But requires a lot of manual context management and shit that is usually handled by your average closed source model

[vagrant kernel]

Thanks for the reply! Shame, I was hoping some sort of probe to sample lighting information on the character would be possible. For the manual path I already had an idea about volumes that "eat" the lighting, already set that up in a few spots. I guess I'll just try to use AI to help set those up throughout the game.

[vagrant kernel]

I'm on my adding stuff to Manhunt bullshit again even though I told myself yesterday was a good stopping point for an update

@crystal kiln Sorry for pestering you again, feel free to reply later or when you want to but you're the particle man so I thought you'd be the most qualified to answer.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the use of RTX Remix particles or the best practices on integrating them into games.
Let's say a game a has a old looking blood effect I wanna replace. It generates a bunch of puffs and blood particles, each as their own draw, with a certain logic of how it behaves.
What would be the best thing to do in this scenario? Replace the individual effects with single emitters instead and then set up the RTX Remix particles around those? This would require some modification of how the game generates the particles in the first place, right?

[crystal kiln]

Hey, no worries. Feel free to ping me whenever you need, even for simple stuff. Happy to help 🙂
So Remix particles were designed to be used like any other replacement asset. You can target materials and mesh hashes. When remix particles are attached to materials, all meshes that use that mat_hash will start to emit particles from the mesh surface according to the settings you chose. When attached to meshes, then only that mesh will emit particles.
Since we're talking about dynamic meshes without stable mesh hashes, you'll prolly want to promote the blood particles mat_hash to be a particle emitter.

The thing is, you'll need to author remastered textures with airborne blood splashes/dropplets, probably as a sprite sheet, then configure the mat_hash with the sheet rows, columns and fps.
Then the remix particle system allow you to set the sprite sheet mode to either be animated, or for each particle to pick a random sprite from the sprite sheet. Whatever suits best your visuals.

What are you most unsure about this process?

[vagrant kernel]

I guess for the games I looked at it's always the issue of it being a bunch of particles spawned with the same texture, so targeting a material hash as a base emitter wouldn't work, since the same material appears multiple times. And the individual spawning sprite meshes have unstable hashes, plus in some cases like Manhunt, also spawn multiple times.

Like in the case of Manhunt here, it's three puffs and a also a couple of spray meshes that make up the effect

All using palletized textures too so targeting textures is also an issue on that front

[crystal kiln]

I don't get it. Does it appear multiple times for different purposes, not just blood? If so then yes, these particles are too generic to be made blood-specific.
You'd need to mod the game itself to spawn a unique texture instead

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, they are reused for different purposes. I've come across this a bunch for games of this era. They love to reuse textures for smoke, fire etc too. I guess modding the game is inevitable in those instances. So a single mesh/texture to attach all Remix particle logic to would probably be the best? And then handle the spread etc just through Remix?

[golden raven]

idk why clopus 4.8 is SO STUBBURN

Like please

Just listen to me bro

[vagrant kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fire-writing-rhgifs-LkkBEH2BLFLbypGE31

[bright roost]

Yeah well, the prompt aint precise

if the propmt aint precose, the awnser isnt too

[crystal kiln]

Depends on what you want to remaster. If it is just the blood particle, you'll need to explore a way to decouple the particles from using the shared textures for a dedicated one and replace it. If you want to enhance all particles in the game you'll want to enhance the generic cloud puffs and what not.
It really depends on how the game uses and how the textures are arranged.
I never played Manhunt so I can't give too much advice without looking closer in the textures and draw calls, unfortunately, but shouldn't be too far from this

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, I've been working on that today, trying to bake out the colors rather than having the shared particles. I'll probably do all that work first and then get back to the particle system later. Thanks again for the help!

Thought one of my changes broke something but then I thought "wait let me google that real quick" turns out it was just a game issue

The Wire or the Machete can be spawned in this scene via trainers. However, using them to execute hunters will crash the game. This happens because the severed head is missing from the scene files.

Tried testing the Machete in the level with the quickest time to gameplay, turns out you can't do that because it causes a crash

Also looking at blood sprites and executions is a weird feel let me tell you

[crystal kiln]

Ah right, a crash when trying to behead a headless creature

[quaint kelp]

why does ai keep wanting my project to load dlls from system32 when i tell it game dir only

[vagrant kernel]

AI or the game

[solemn epoch]

The way DLL hijacking in Windows works is that when not specified, an executable first looks for the DLL in the same folder it is located in. So when the app calls a function, your fake DLL runs its' own code first and then forwards the request to the real System32 DLL

So you're still using legitimate system DLLs

If the game uses hardcoded absolute paths to the real thing then you need to patch it somehow

[quaint kelp]

yea i can see that but its like it sees the proxy i made and then it just skips it all together

falling back to system 32

my proxy loaded a direct x 9 dll with the proxy at first. then it did something somehow and now it does not see the proxy or the 9 dll at all

i even tried messing with the initializer but nope

[pine coral]

misaligned and trying to hijack your OS. bet.

[quaint kelp]

jokes aside im serious

[rare needle]

Okay, Claude lowkey sucks

It assumes cornerstone info that it has direct access to, instead of just... Checking

[rose oasis]

this is the biggest problem with 4.8

I've been using 4.7 more

i spawn 4.7 sub agents to check its work

[pine coral]

I like 4.8 but it's a bit crazy. and paranoid imo Which paid off though because it caught 7 out of 8 subagents it spun up hallucinating and assuming stuff in their own right. even before it spun the first one up I seen in it's thoughts that it was mistrusting of the subagent from the get go. after the first one it gave the subagents explicit instructions that they all choose to ignore except the last one.

[vagrant kernel]

Got me one of these after a long time

[rare needle]

Holy

Bloody

Meme

So

When Codex is out of limit - it finishes task and you wait for restock

When Claude is out of limit - it fucking STOPS

So it just borked me shader and render script, and instead of finishing work with them it just said "phew, I'm done, see you tomorrow"

[dull swallow]

47....

[rare needle]

Stellar

[dull swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-gif-18215487365951023155

[crimson yacht]

47 is no longer the star trek number
am I old ? 👴 👴 🪦 🪦 🪦 🪦

[dull swallow]

Yes

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-out-crashing-out-crash-cat-cat-meme-gif-3797735486230472207

[vagrant kernel]

What the hell is bro reviewing

Headlights for all

I'm doing all this work for Carma when there is still the issue of the game gobbling up VRAM unless I boot it with RT off and manually toggle it on

[distant tendon]

nice

Anyone knows how rtx remix detects a viewmodel?

[distant tendon]

I managed to get it working I guess but I geniunely don't know which version/render I should be using, there's two right now that I can get to if I remove certain onscreen textures

They both have working RTX remix features, just that one is buggy and the other one isnt, the second looks alot more realistic and the first isn't all that

second:

oh right, here's the original version for comparison

[dull swallow]

this looks like a flat rendertarget

the second one looks like actual remix

[distant tendon]

Yeah I guess you were right, the AI kept telling me it was the first but I don't really think so, the second version has wayy more stuff that the first doesnt by a good margin

although with more bugs than i could ever imagine

[dull swallow]

yeah

its a fairly modern dx9c game

[distant tendon]

would make sense too yea cause

[dull swallow]

it may not fully work ever period but its not not worth tryinhg

[distant tendon]

that

[distant tendon]

I mean, I'm willing to put in effort to see what I could take

[dull swallow]

yeah

[rose oasis]

my subscription has vanish

poof

https://tenor.com/view/nod-magic-poof-disappear-i-dream-of-jeannie-gif-16198733

[golden raven]

Sparkles disappears in a poof of pink sparkles. Fitting, I suppose.

[distant tendon]

Anyone know if the newer dxvk remix releases/commits handle spatialmap:insert duplication cases?

I've been tracking an issue where certain models of the same kind would try to connect themselves to eachother when I'm in the raytraced view, and when I checked the dxvk log I found
"[11:34:59.967] warn: Specified hash was already present in SpatialMap::insert(). May indicate a duplicated overlapping object."

or is it probably on my end to fix?

[vagrant kernel]

Carmageddon low key be looking atmospheric like this

I fixed the VRAM eating issue by just putting a delay on the FFP conversion at the start of races

If it works it works

[distant tendon]

I've ohnestly gave up on trying to fix that issue cause it drove me in circles but nice work

[vagrant kernel]

Yours was only when looking in certain directions right?

[distant tendon]

no like just generally turning it on without the Z threshold set to X amount would do that

it gobbled up like 8GB of vram in 10 seconds ish

[vagrant kernel]

Z threshold set to 0 just disables path tracing

That's probably what you did

[distant tendon]

probably yeah

[sharp seal]

What game are you working on?

[distant tendon]

me or gabdeg?

[sharp seal]

Oh sorry for the confusion, I was talking about what you're working on

[distant tendon]

oh, no problem lol

I'm working on payday 2

its a shader model 3 d3d9, I was told it was unlikely but like I figured its worth a shot

so far its promising but like I'm a bit stuck on the models of the same type merging

[sharp seal]

Hmm, it's on diesel engine 2

[distant tendon]

Yeah, janky engine

[sharp seal]

The problem might be inherent to the engine given what I've just read about it

Was initially built for a driving game by GRIN

But that shouldn't really be an issue

[distant tendon]

pretty much

even claude gave up 💀
"At this point I want to be honest with you — we've exhausted most approaches:

Matrix injection ✗
Reg0/reg6 world transforms ✗
Vertex buffer position extraction ✗
rtx.conf hash rules ✗
uniqueObjectDistance ✗
fusedWorldViewMode changes ✗
Register 255 picking value ✗"

[golden raven]

bro pulled out the fancy ✗

[distant tendon]

I'm guessing its a collateral tbh between diesel and how duped meshes are handled or whatever

[distant tendon]

no idea why lol

[dull swallow]

Did you not ask it to do an api trace?

[distant tendon]

about that lol, I'm still using conversation based tbh, figured I wouldnt need it but now I'[m really considering it

[dull swallow]

Whar

[sharp seal]

is there a level editor?
On pcgw I'm seeing some mod managers but I'm not sure if they allow rendering level access

[distant tendon]

as in like this

[distant tendon]

custom ones for sure I saw ones floating around

[dull swallow]

Oh so like no ida tools

[distant tendon]

pretty much

[sharp seal]

Celer looks decent but it's doing the opposite for remix purposes

[distant tendon]

but I already know they get fully merged cause in the captured scene, and even in the live texture editor, when I press on the cone it highlights the whole three

[dull swallow]

You really should get an ida tools and ask it to make a tracer for the games api

[sharp seal]

Pulling out the big knives too early

[dull swallow]

What

[vagrant kernel]

You gotsta use the toolset with actual Claude Code/Codex/Windsurf or whatever

Payday 2 is too new. It needs serious work

[sharp seal]

Yeah

[golden raven]

As it stands, the game kind of looks like a 2015 release

I like this look

[golden raven]

@sharp seal funny texture

[sharp seal]

tcrf.net must've reported this

[golden raven]

mmmm. Good graphics

[sharp seal]

wait.... @golden raven do you know about this? https://github.com/SpeedReflect/Binary

[golden raven]

I know about a total of 0 nfs related tools

Everything is new to me

[sharp seal]

Yeah hold on lemme mess with this tool. Seems to offer some game tinkering aspects other than textures

[golden raven]

My god. Finally

[sharp seal]

So what good is this for you after all the AI yapping

[distant tendon]

Thank you very much and to the other fellas that helped, I managed to install one of them and I suppose it applied the fix since I gave it context and the specific line of code

the build dxvk is very annoying

its so buggy

[distant tendon]

Oh yeah Claude released memory

[golden raven]

Yuck

[vagrant kernel]

Claude, please never use memory

[bright roost]

He probably doesnt, but i do. Its literally the basic modding tool for underground 2 to change textures and functions

Carbon, MostWanted, ProStreet and Undercover than swapped to vlt data.

[sharp seal]

I read their readme file and it says you gotta put a password to use the modder tools (from their discord 💀)

[bright roost]

Just use this: https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/1638

Its version 2.8.3

[dull swallow]

@rose oasis can i get a verification on this

we dunno if its a thing to do

[dull swallow]

heyo

first working dx12 game??? /jilly

[rose oasis]

(dm'd)

[woven zealot]

What game is psy2?? 👀

[dull swallow]

Psychonauts 2

[woven zealot]

Ooooh very nice

[crimson yacht]

its 11 pm on sunday now I know youre lying to me

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-strangle-strangler-green-screen-jerma985-gif-19817690

[iron loom]

how does british guy got the same time zone as me

[crimson yacht]

maybe I don't live there anymore M8

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gangnam-style-gangnam-oppa-gangnam-style-danc-gif-5156314622067612837

[iron loom]

i always thought all brits lived in britian

[crimson yacht]

no ones meant to know its a secret but I trust you

[crimson yacht]

I bet its not (again) (again)

[vagrant kernel]

Fuck, I'm thinking of getting out of the AI game for a while and a Armored Core 4 recomp is announced

https://bsky.app/profile/osaka.zone/post/3mn66jr6qlk2u

Osaka (@osaka.zone)

Coming soon:

Armored Core ReAnswered:

- Static recompilation (native on PC, 0 emulation)
- Via Reglue SDK & Vulkan renderer
- Huge performance improvements
- High FPS, PC native multiplayer

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You know this would go hard with path trace

[candid mirage]

My GPT sub ends on June 5th, Im also contemplating getting out, already like $400 in over 3 months. I dont really care about the cost, Ill only ever have 1 sub going forward, but still. Shit dont produce results by the 5th, then Im all aboard the AI hate train

[crimson yacht]

bro.....

[vagrant kernel]

lol

RTX Remix Ultimate Edition just dropped

[crimson yacht]

You stole my name idea!!!!!

[crimson yacht]

It was, in fact, not.

[vagrant kernel]

Seems like the Armored Core recomp is based on Xenia so probably not an easy job to create a new fixed function renderer

[vital dew]

Xenia as in the sonic recomp thingy?

[rose oasis]

xenia is the 360 emulator

there is a recompilation tool that uses the Xenia JIT. this is good in terms of compatibility and how easy it is to use, but it also comes with the drawbacks of Xenia

[dull swallow]

i guess it captured the skybox mesh?

[rose oasis]

o.o neat

[dull swallow]

no normal geometry, and my screen now resets after a bit of time

we dunno why

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[quaint kelp]

That's cool

How did you grab the cam

Since it's dx12 translation of geo and textures shaders and all of that is rough

Games can run in dx11 too with the arg line

[quaint kelp]

Check the textcoords and the world matrix as well?

Could be rendering the wrong cam too

I had these issues making a remix dx11 project that I have in discord

[brave oracle]

wont the excessive yapping take more tokens?

[dull swallow]

✅

[quaint kelp]

It will but ai tends to gaslight

[golden raven]

My GOD this was 3 days of reverse engineering.

[golden raven]

@crystal kiln I need YOUR help. For you know. The project that you joined and are morally not allowed to leave until you see it through.
What is the best way to create dynamic lights via the api? Currently, they're pretty unstable.

[crystal kiln]

They are quite stable, something is off with the way it is capturing the car position and light tubes position every frame in the mod, also you're creating lights with different hashes every frame which doesn't allow denoisers to accumulate light info across frames.
Try reusing the same light hash computed on the tube shape and color, and find a way to stabilize that jittery anchoring

[golden raven]

Do you have any referance code for this?

I've never worked with api lights before.

[crystal kiln]

Not exactly, as this will be something in your mod code to change, not specific to the remix API usage.
The hash is something you feed yourself in the LightInfo struct when calling remixapi_CreateLight, and the lights position/shape are derived from your code in the mod
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/public/include/remix/remix.h#L995
I assume you're already using the API, no? Should have already setup the LightInfo + pNext for cylinder lights by then

[golden raven]

Right now, the lights never survive past one frame. They get deleted as soon as they're created. I can spam force recreate and watch them exist for one entire frame over and over again.

I also summon @violet flume . Trying to work with API lights here. It's been a real headache.

@crystal kiln

[violet flume]

Remix Plus has some weird api light persistence code in it that just wouldn't work for me in IV so I got rid of it completely 😂 I might just not know how to use it but I couldnt bother reading the AI written docs

[quaint kelp]

No way for looping code? Jumping to the start after creation?

[violet flume]

try with og remix until you get them working correctly. As for the jitter, might happen because remix sometimes uses your position data of the last frame and sometimes the one from the current frame or something along these lines? When are you creating and sending the data to remix? Begin / end of a frame?

[golden raven]

Man, I hate api lights

awful. Truly.

[violet flume]

wouldnt worry about the debug view too much tho

[quaint kelp]

When you create the light after you destroy the one frame then create a frame after creation. Then have it loop back to creation therefore creating a loop

[golden raven]

And the hashes?

[golden raven]

mmmmmmmm

[quaint kelp]

It will stay on creation therefore rest is null

[golden raven]

I have a feeling that the light position view is fucking lying

The hashes are unstable but fine.

[violet flume]

unstable hashes work just fine

[golden raven]

But the light position gizmos aren't really showing the truue positions

[violet flume]

they are in fact unstable

[golden raven]

Bad for denoising

Shit don't accumulate

[violet flume]

do you want fast moving lights to accumulate?

[quaint kelp]

Make it a single light?

[violet flume]

would leave somewhat of a trail behind you and you move so fast that there is nothing to accumulate anyway

[quaint kelp]

Can it be faked framed?

[golden raven]

I suppose you're right but remix could technically track the light motion to kill old rays and create new ones ahead of time

idk I'm talking out my ass rn

[violet flume]

I'm doing my best to track and re-use existing lights to keep the hash stable but I have no way (not enough unique data) to uniquely track dynamic lights

[quaint kelp]

Can you look via hex?

[violet flume]

headlights get quite noisy when you are moving fast, increasing rtxdi sample count is the only thing that helps

[crystal kiln]

Ah now I see you're using the bridge path, not the C API. Via the C API, you would just call CreateMesh with the same LightInfo with update positions and same hash, without calling DestroyMesh.
This would allow the light to survive and accumulate RTXDI buffers for denoising, light picking during sampling, use temporal data and so on

[violet flume]

having an option to prioritize lights would nice

[quaint kelp]

Do I smell an possible implementation

To the ui

K

When I try to help w/e

[crystal kiln]

In theory restir reservoirs should do that by finding best nearby lights to sample according to what neighbor pixels found with random sampling. Not sure if biasing sampling towards a few lights will truly yield better results unless you crank up sampling count like you did

[violet flume]

Having much less lights in the scene improves headlight noise. Gets worse the more lights are in the scene

[crystal kiln]

That is expected up to some extent as they're all fighting for sample budget, and gets worse if these other lights also have a considerable importance. The more you bias towards one light, the less you sample the others, so to not leave anyone behind you kinda need to give each light a minimum amount of samples or they get eaten away

[violet flume]

Mhh true. I think the default sample count is like 3 so with 60, having bias towards 2-3 lights that are always sampled shouldn't hurt 😛

But I might be completely wrong on that (just talking out of my ass as burrito would say)

[crystal kiln]

Nah it is good intuition. The whole balancing act of light sampling and picking is quite tricky

[rare needle]

Tbh I really wonder how big of an overhead increasing SPP would bring today. It definitely won't be plain x2, but it won't be slim either

[crystal kiln]

The key point I guess is that the current SPP already works well for the majority of different scenarios, and increasing it will unnecessarily add overhead to scenarios that are working fine, only to help with extreme scenarios that can be noisy/inefficient for many varying reasons, not just sampling amount but quality too, so the goal now moves from working harder to working smarter -> Identifying the extreme scenarios (and why they're bad) and adaptively perform samples or techniques to clear the artifacts.

[rare needle]

Sure, but there are still scenarios where more SPP will help much more than any current approach) Plus stuff like better handling of upscalers ect. I am definitely not saying that current approaches should be scrapped in favor of bruteforcing, but I do hope to see some increase in SPP someday

Also, that might be silly, but how much of fine control can we have over sampling steps themselves?

Just as a surface idea, but having multiple NEEs on first hit would help with those specific situations like fast moving headlights, as well as stuf like shadows ect

Is it not realistically feasible or just will bring less benefit than headache?

[rare needle]

Also that universal overhead always made me worder about of possibility of "path tracing VRS" so to say - deliberately spending more samples on parts of the screen that need it more, while leaving less complex scenearios running leaner

[crystal kiln]

True. If you can afford to bruteforce to overcome an artifact then increasing SPP is necessary, only because we still don't have a better smart approach for that artifact since it is still an unsolved problem (or just not implemented yet). Think caustics for example.
But the goal should be, as much as possible: To keep minimum SPP covering most of scenarios and work with smarter adaptive sampling for the edge cases, otherwise the renderer gets lazy and unoptimized.

[vagrant kernel]

E-man, what do you think of light portals in RTX Remix? DS2 Lighting Engine has been implementing something like this and I tried to put something similar in RTX Remix. Is it silly to do because RTX Remix already does robust importance sampling?
#1481706093976621277 message

Here's how the author of DS2 Lighting Engine describes it:

[golden raven]

Holy shit light portals mentioned

I love light portals

[crystal kiln]

Yeah extra shadow rays can be expensive, to the point that whenever we need to solve a problem that would require adding a new rayquery, it is highly profiled with stress test scenarios and usually gated by an RtxOption/Alt+X menu tick/slider

[quaint kelp]

What's a light portal

Still learning

And yes I have comprehension problems

[rare needle]

You don't. THat stuff is just kinda not simple)

[quaint kelp]

Was in special education in high school

[crystal kiln]

That is the right thinking, working smarter. This comes with drawbacks ofc, parts of your frame can be undersampled, have temporal artifacts and what not depending on the technique employed, so the great question is: How to identify when to and when to NOT sample.
Think of, idk, checkerboard rendering where half the screen renders at a time, half waits for the next frame, in a checkerboard pattern. Half the pixels will be delayed

[rare needle]

Oof. My apologies!

[quaint kelp]

It's ok it had to come out sometime

[rare needle]

Interesting. Is NEE and shadowray still different things in full PT?

[golden raven]

Path tracing calculates from camera position to the light position.
If you have bounce lighting entering through a window (indirectly), there will a lot of noise.
So to improve the noise levels in the room, you put a light at the window and tell it that: You won't emit anything but you will guide the rays towards yourself.
This makes sure that the light rays have a direct path to follow from the camera to the window.
That decreases noise.

[rare needle]

Or it's more like shadowray being a part of full NEE estimation?

[rare needle]

Yup, that always what made me HMMM in that idea - how to actually filter VRS rates across the screen

[quaint kelp]

So just the rays and no emitter?

[crystal kiln]

hmmm interesting. I don't see why it is not achievable by slapping a rect light though

[rare needle]

Some type of local convergence metric?..

[rare needle]

Idea is - door itself doesn't emit anything

Portal just gives integrator a hint that there's a lot of tasty light BEHIND the door

[golden raven]

Correct. It will guide the light rays out the window and then they'll hit the skybox or anything else. It's simply a way to tell the ray where to look for the light because remember. In PT, a ray is shot from the camera and it's told to find a light. If it does, the pixel is given a brightness level.

[quaint kelp]

But how can it find light besides the sun

[vagrant kernel]

You could also use emissive but the idea is to use the natural lighting of the scene

[golden raven]

It looks for an light out the window. It could be the sun, any other light type, bounce light or simply the skybox. The hardest path is for the light is to actually find a point of escape out the room. Once it has, it can easily find a source. The portal simply helps the ray leave the room.

[vagrant kernel]

Especially in games like Dark Souls where it's just sky light and no light source indoors

[crystal kiln]

a shadow ray is just a ray that is cast from a point towards a light to see if the light is occluded by another object (shadowed).
NEE afaiu is more about the recursive algorithm where multi-bounce lights are broken down into recursively sampling lights directly in each bounce instead of doing totally random hemisphere sampling expecting to hit a light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1dbi827LY&t=8m36s (see at 8m 36s)

[quaint kelp]

Does the shadow leave too?

If light leaves room the shadow would go as well

[golden raven]

Shadow is simply the absence of light.

[golden raven]

Beautiful.

[quaint kelp]

So no emitter and the shadows stay unless casted upon by light

[golden raven]

correct. Shadow is not a physical thing. A shadow just means that there's no light there.

[rare needle]

In perfect path tracer no light = compltele black

No "glow" that we get in raster graphics

[quaint kelp]

Oh

Well that's helpful

[rare needle]

That's why PT graphics can look much brighter (a lot of bounced lighting) than raster AND a lot darker (no real light reaching the area) in different areas

[alpine dove]

if only it were that easy

[quaint kelp]

So just rays and no light source

[rare needle]

Well, no, there are light sources)

Just light from those sources makes things lighter only when it can actually reach them

While in raster you have lights, sure

[quaint kelp]

So light bends when reaching?

[rare needle]

But you also have, so to say, "everpresent lighting" which illuminates everything, even things in completely covered areas

[rare needle]

Not bends, rays are always straight. But it bounces, and bounces A LOT

[quaint kelp]

What if you are in a box with no source

[rare needle]

Yup

In PT it will be completely black

In raster it will be "dimly lit" in most cases

Because raster can't bounce lighting

And without that dim light shining on everything shadows in raster will be completely black

Well, sometimes they actually are - Doom 3 for example

[quaint kelp]

Can you cast a source from cam

[rare needle]

Yup, it will be essentially a flashlight

[quaint kelp]

Ah

Explains why a lot of games have one light source

And if you multiply it it will get brighter

How do emissives play

I'm sure textures would be dark with light

[rare needle]

Not really. That always present glow is separated from the light sources in the scene, so even if there are many lights, areas in shadows will still have same amount of light. Problem is - even when you have NO lights - those areas (and everything else) will still have same amount of light, instead of getting very dark

Games solve that by basically manually tweaking that everpresent light based on time of day, player being inside/outside ect

[quaint kelp]

Oh ok

Thanks for letting me learn

[crystal kiln]

Ahh with @golden raven explanation that makes sense. It is not for artistically adding lights, it is meant to guide GI sampling direction. Interesting. I wonder if it helps against Restir GI & NRC because in theory they're already generalized guides for such things. Might need to check some A/Bs with DLSS off

[golden raven]

Alright. Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally

It is done. Yaw, pitch and roll all accounted for.

Lights stable and follow the car correctly.

Gonna fuck with trunk and engine neons now. See if I can get them to work.

Should be easy.

Technically they aren't visible during normal gamepla but I'm curious

Trunk+engine neons working.

[crystal kiln]

Is it all hooked in, car models, colors, blinking animations, etc.?

[golden raven]

That's next on the plan.
You have no idea how long I had to work on this.

[muted sun]

did you ever come up with a good solution for clear coat?

[vagrant kernel]

It certainly increases sample in the area, but the way I implemented it it still looks like an emissive light kinda. Noticable effect near the portal but the light/rays aren't guided further in.
In DS2 it really brightens up rooms which is what I was aiming for. Couldn't quite figure out what to prompt to make that happen.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:grl6wzjcm4bj5oftixu2gb6q/bafkreibmgjrwnemmw6rvjsmrzwwdhplaaeevlgliuhq3c4gsyndor7kaiq
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:grl6wzjcm4bj5oftixu2gb6q/bafkreifbnun4ux4uzukl6jiwdn6cudg4cp2gtkohhrxq3ie2voxdrxpcde

Here is what the author of DS2 Lighting Engine was able to do with them

(Not RTX Remix)

[alpine dove]

basically helps indoor environments to move more closely to reference?

[golden raven]

Like months and months ago, yeah

[crystal kiln]

It might make more sense to them if they're not using restir gi or rtxdi. It requires more work though since you have to go and place the portals

[golden raven]

This video is a mood. I don't know what mood. But it is.

[muted sun]

he's using brdf sampling + importance sampling for direct and sharc for indirect iirc

[muted sun]

I wasn't sure if you scrapped it or not lol

[alpine dove]

whats brdf sampling

[muted sun]

honestly google will be able to give you a better explanation of it than I can lol

[alpine dove]

this is why i asked

so it renders colour/textures better?

[crystal kiln]

Don't shoot rays randomly in all directions, pick better directions that will make the lighting converge faster/are more likely to have meaningful information.
It is a whole family of methods to make smarter decisions about which directions to cast rays towards.
Light Sampling for example casts a ray towards lights instead of uniformly random in the expectation of one ray hit the light.

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, that's why I was asking if it's a silly idea to implement in RTX Remix since it's more advanced anyhow.

[alpine dove]

ah so one of the methods would be importance sampling?

[crystal kiln]

It is an interesting concept, if it works that well. Remix already have portals so in theory you could place one portal facing forward and the other backwards in the same door opening. Not sure how Remix treats portals regarding sampling guiding but I assume it would work. Is that what you did more or less?

[vagrant kernel]

Hmm, I only placed one portal pointing inward cause I think that's what was done in DS2 lighting mod. Should another pointing outward help out?

The AI definitely implemented it based on stuff present in source code, although it could've just been gaslighting me.

https://docs.omniverse.nvidia.com/kit/docs/usdrt.scenegraph/7.5.0/api/file_usdrt_scenegraph_usd_usdLux_lightPortal.h.html

I think it was this

[crystal kiln]

• Importance Sampling is a general term from statistics/Monte Carlo problem solving for picking values that better match the random problem you have at hand with educated choices rather than naively sampling it randomly.
• BRDF Sampling is one technique used in importance sampling where it is "more worth it" to sample shiny objects towards directions where it is more likely to reflect vs diffuse objects who receive and scatter lights from/to multiple directions (The surface BRDF function sorta instructs which ray directions contribute with most important stuff). Good for GI/indirect lighting.
• Light Sampling sample directly towards the scene lights with the so called "Shadow Rays" instead of randomly stumbling on a light source by chance. Good for direct lighting.
• Multi Importance Sampling is when you combine several of these techniques (i.e: BRDF & Light sampling) to get the best of both worlds, assigning weights to them so they merge/blend their contributions and what not.

[alpine dove]

and im guessing remix does Multi Importance Sampling

[crystal kiln]

Here is a couple great references:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p772XkEnEIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IrzX4LDIx8 (at 31:50 onwards)

[vagrant kernel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k203kzp10o

Is this gonna make limits better for us or worse

[crimson yacht]

better for 2 weeks, then much much worse

[vagrant kernel]

They are probably going to make it more expensive/shittier to please shareholders

Maybe I shouldn't take an AI break and get one last month of usable AI before it becomes completely unaffordable

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223

just one more month

[bright ermine]

lmfao real

i pray local llms catch up to a semi-usable state

[crimson yacht]

me too

[rose oasis]

💯 it's fucking over, and whatever little bit of good Anthrophic had in terms of morals or whatever is also gone after this

[dull swallow]

Meowning (meowvening) everyone

[rose oasis]

morninn

[dull swallow]

Sparklesss

Haiiiii

[dull swallow]

Lookie, actual shapes

[rose oasis]

great work

[vagrant kernel]

Turns out my Copilot usage is actually still going till June 13th, so AI break isn't happening yet. Lets see how many credits I'm spending on a single prompt

New weirdness unlocked, RR makes the lines on the road look blue. Anyone know what this could be?

Also no idea why the video is like 5 frames in total

Hmm, one prompt, 1% used. Not great but also not terrible

[quaint kelp]

alpha blending did that for me a long time ago

with oblivion

[dull swallow]

closer ish

[bright ermine]

ty gpt 5.4

[iron loom]

ok

[vagrant kernel]

That'll be $1 please

Seems like Copilot Pro+ is now roughly 1 prompt = 1% of your monthly usage (Sonnet or GPT 5.4)

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/ashton-kutcher-gif-21810448

[distant tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/staringsoldiercatok-gif-2130370366885478984

back to square one for real

[distant tendon]

has anyone tried the fake camera injection github repo?

[solemn epoch]

Well it was made on this very Discord server😄
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1423046815112101938

[rose oasis]

are you using the fixed function proxy for your project?

if so it has a mode to force the fake camera

[distant tendon]

Yeah Iw as considering using it but I wasnt too sure

[distant tendon]

Sorry, how do I know? what I know for sure is that the game uses non fixed functions

[distant tendon]

Cause take a look at this, there's approximately 44 cameras, one of which has actual coordinate, I manage to force use it via AI, but the camera's position or direction does not correlate to the data I saw in the file

[solemn epoch]

You can use it for funsies to see how far you can get with the fake math. Other than that, it's not really useful and I don't think it was used in any serious project

[rose oasis]

so, VRET comes with a fixed function conversion tool that i made. it can convert games that use shaders to a fixed function pipeline. if you ask it to do this, it will use that code

if it does use it successfully, you can press F4 to open the menu in game, and turn on that hack

[distant tendon]

I was originally gonna use it but like this gave me some sort of hope, weird enough Remix doesnt seem to be even bother to update its location in the UI

[PS] Camera 1: Reg 0 (view at 4)
  Proj: 1.4000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 | -0.7722 0.6352 -0.0122 -1121.5621 | 0.0000 0.0192 0.9998 140.8086 | 2.0000 1.0000 1.0000 0.0000
  View: 19200.0000 19200.0000 2400.0000 0.0000 | 0.1700 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 | 0.6800 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 | 0.2833 0.2833 0.3500 0.0000

[distant tendon]

That's pretty cool, and there wouldnt be any drawbacks?

[solemn epoch]

Depends on the game. If you are very successful with the conversion, the only universal drawback would probably be CPU bottlenecks I think

[distant tendon]

I'll give it a shot soon then, thanks alot

[distant tendon]

I'm not even sure if the camera is the source of my issue tbh, it could be, but its the logical thing I could come up with, cause the agent tried multiple times to edit the SRC of the .trex d3d9 to block merging but that all wasnt of use

[solemn epoch]

even in games that do provide fixed function fallback, this rendering path is always much less performant

[distant tendon]

cause I can see all the rendered raytracing, but models, (certain models to be exact) try to connect together for some reason

(ignore the camera, i was modifying its positions)

my best guess was that it was cause the camera I had wasnt properly updating its positions etc

[rose oasis]

the drawback pseudo mentioned, plus that some games might not play nicely. even if you get the conversion to output valid graphics, there may be a lot of specific issues with certain shaders

for example, in FNV the water is missing. so it needs a custom patch. the LODs needed custom handling too. the terrain also did

[distant tendon]

I see, much appreciated

[solemn epoch]

Yeah. Also note that even the official Fixed Function implementations can be wacky and lack some important things. In Painkiller for example one of the "signature move" effects is missing because it required dudv texture addressing not available in DX7

It was February 2004 when they told the dev to come up with a fixed function rendering and it was a rush

A long time ago

so it won't be easy

[rose oasis]

lol

in barnyard they forgot to implement the terrain in the FFP mode

the ground was just missing

[muted sun]

halo

[rose oasis]

halo is easily the most cursed i've seen for it

[solemn epoch]

Yeah. It seems DreamCatcher was not the only publisher at the time to require studios to support FF

Devs absolutely hated it

[muted sun]

I still don't understand how the shaders work in the fixed function mode for halo lmao
like several tools pickup shaders but the game worked on fixed function hardware

[solemn epoch]

You had to go out of your way to make this work, because in 2003-2004 you would have to maintain 2 completely different renderers

[solemn epoch]

The game may have toggled the FF mode specifically when generic TnL hardware was detected

In Painkiller to force the fixed function path you create a shortcut with the "+hwclass tnl" launch parameter. Not a lot of people even know this

[muted sun]

yeah I'm talking about the game's specific fixed function path
normally the game uses shaders

[solemn epoch]

Well then there should be no shaders, since the very concept of a programmable shader is not known to a TnL GPU

Could the tools be picking up some junk from overlays or something?

[muted sun]

nope
was able to toggle the skinned meshes via shaders using the renodx devkit lol

so there are definitely shaders in there

[solemn epoch]

Well hardware skinning wouldn't run on a GeForce 1/2 either way so

I guess it is exposing some stuff for newer hardware

[muted sun]

I'm having vibe take a look at it

[crimson yacht]

Thats Mr. Vibe to you!!

[muted sun]

lol

okay so vibe is saying that they are in fact software rendered vertex shaders

On a GeForce2 (hardware T&L, no vs_1_1), Halo creates the device with MIXED_VERTEXPROCESSING. Before each skinned draw call, it calls SetSoftwareVertexProcessing(TRUE). The D3D9 runtime then executes the vs_1_1 shader bytecode on the CPU — Microsoft's own software vertex shader emulator, built into d3d9.dll since DX8. The same CreateVertexShader handle, the same SetVertexShader call, the same bytecode — all identical to the GPU path. The runtime just routes execution to CPU instead of the GPU shader units.

Debugging and tracing tools intercept the D3D9 API layer, so they see SetVertexShader being called regardless of whether the underlying execution happens on GPU or CPU. There's no distinction at the API level — it's invisible to tools like RenderDoc, PIX, or your own tracing hooks.

lol looks like the sims 2 legacy collection does something similar: https://discordapp.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1482811180870406376/1486964743423004762

[distant tendon]

What if

this model is a proxy or something along the lines of that, as in 1 model that houses 3 other fake ones?

cause like I noticed when I switch it into the tag terrain, only one model stays left, the other 3 models disappear

I also noticed that they're mostly props (the ones that get connected)

[distant tendon]

when I also go to edit their tags, they're all the same

if I set one to lets say texture Ignore/hide, they all disappear

[solemn epoch]

Ah yeah, makes sense

For some reason I was thinking that the tools would only pickup shaders executing on GPU, even though there's no difference at the API level

[muted sun]

also makes sense since the game was primarily developed for shaders
so software emulation might've just made the most sense with the constraints they were under

[naive kindle]

Bad camera does not cause geo streching/merging. So it’s something else. It’s a longshot but I did have something similar in my idtech3 games, I could send you a patched remix see if the problem gets fixed, I just need to put it on github

[distant tendon]

Yeah your right, I think I know why though, but do you think yours could work? (since the game uses d3d9 shader model 3) and would probably require modification before I can test it

[distant tendon]

.

[distant tendon]

A dev also told me that yeah the game does use static mesh instancing to an extent so I'll have a tinker around with the agent about that, if all goes too unwell I'll just give your patched version a shot cause why not

[distant tendon]

Cause I've tried to disable BLAS, disable spatial reassociation (for some reason), and so on, but none of that worked so its either this or the math I have is wayy off

[naive kindle]

For me it happened with unstable meshes: one moment it would look ok, then move the camera a bit and geometry would leak into the great beyond. Then it’d go back to normal, and repeat. It was the BLAS caching.

You mean you have to modify dxvk-remix too to make your game work?
(I’m a bit anal about these things, so grain of salt.. but try not to modify remix with AI unless you have a grasp of how3D rendering works.. fix your game in the proxy)

[vagrant kernel]

GPT 5.5 put the shadow terminator fix into my Manhunt runtime in one go. Pretty good. Just gotta check if it's as good as vanilla

You get 7000 credits for $40

Does GPT 5.5 usage with Codex "cost" more than 5.4?

[golden raven]

5.5 is 5.4 but lobotomized

Use 5.4

[solemn epoch]

I find 5.5 to be an excellent model

A fine build up upon already great 5.4

[vagrant kernel]

5.4 was good but 5.5 is great

It did most things in one shot, even complex stuff. It's just too expensive on Github Copilot

[solemn epoch]

Just wanted to say. It is good to the point that I've become confident enough to expect every prompt to be fruitful

[vagrant kernel]

Are you using it on Codex? Is it using more tokens or whatever than 5.4? Getting to use 5.5 freely would be really OP

[solemn epoch]

I never used 5.4 in Codex so I can't tell

They're saying that 5.5 is actually more efficient and I'm kinda inclined to believe that

Doing some UE3 stuff that was never done before together with a very experienced programmer and the guy is blown away by it

[vagrant kernel]

You got the 100 buck plan?

Can you just go ham on it for a while or what do the limits look like

Im not a 24 hour user but I'd like to be able to do 1-2 hours of work when I want to and not be too limited

[solemn epoch]

A couple of hours of sweeping through the UE3 source and implementing stuff takes like 5% of weekly usage

They provide quite a lot of usage really

5hr limits always restored before running out

[vagrant kernel]

That sounds good. Was that last month with the doubled limits?

[solemn epoch]

It was 14 hours ago

[vagrant kernel]

Exquisite

If I resub I'll go Codex

[solemn epoch]

Go to whatever is good when you resub

It's a cycle

right now we're scamming OpenAI

I just hope that going public won't end the party

🙏

[alpine dove]

do you think gpt 6 will be when it can do things in one go

[solemn epoch]

It is already extremely skilled at working with source and better than humans at recognizing patterns and noticing things that matter

My good friend has built a very versatile and clever architecture for uncooking UE3 maps (something that was never done before. There was only UE Viewer by Gildor and it is merely an asset viewer) and GPT has been extremely helpful at finding things my friend missed in his heuristics

Unprompted at times

[candid mirage]

I will be re-subbing to Codex come June 6th, I was leaning against it for my current project. Been stuck in deep research for a solid month fixing random issues. As of tonight 5.5 went on a spree and fixed all outstanding issues. Most stable my proxy has ever been. Made the project viable finally.

Was dealing with a shit ton of geometry hash churn from quite literally 5 different sources. Half bad proxy initial implementation and half weird game behavior. A lot to research but it fixed it all one by one

[solemn epoch]

Worth mentioning that Gildor worked on UE3 and had direct access to it

[alpine dove]

wait omg the dev of umodel?

[solemn epoch]

Yes, UModel = UE Viewer

Epic Games asked Gildor to rename it

[alpine dove]

he’s such a goat

[solemn epoch]

Our tool is even better though

Gildor's don't even recognize some arrays

[alpine dove]

Shhhh he was a goat for making viewing fortnite models so easy

[solemn epoch]

like, for example, UE-Explorer cannot detect arrays which are not already pre-defined (usually game specific arrays)

I like comments in UE3 code

Epic Games employees becoming self aware that their code is shit

I also know that Ron guy bruh

[vagrant kernel]

Why you UE3ing this much is there a Painkiller on UE3

[solemn epoch]

Yes

[vagrant kernel]

Knew it

[solemn epoch]

There's also one on UE5

[solemn epoch]

But this one is imposter, the only thing in common is the name

[vagrant kernel]

Wish I had a single game I cared about that much to focus on. Instead I could probably spend the rest of my life working on random games so I have to pump the brakes a bit

[solemn epoch]

And it's actually on UE4, so I couldn't even tell what engine it uses

[naive kindle]

The dark side of sw dev: good developers writing shit code, and crunch being integral to the job. Also probably why so many managers are jumping on the hype train with coding llms. I just hope that we’re getting the AlphaGo progression on these coding-AIs so I can take a well deserved vacation 😜

[solemn epoch]

I mean I personally know the guys behind the game. It was made like 200km away from my hometown

It's a project that has cultural/historical value to me

[solemn epoch]

I don't know what should I feel, happy that ChatGPT nailed it and did it better, or the fact it reinforces the idea that it is better than employees

[naive kindle]

I remember how proud I was when the ubi studio in my country got listed in AC Black Flag credits

(Alot of ubi studios worked on AC BF 😜)

[solemn epoch]

Gildor worked at Ubisoft on The Crew and said it was a good company to work in

It was in 2013 though

[solemn epoch]

The fact that this is the game that kick started the Stop Killing Games initiative is ironic

[naive kindle]

I’m actually hopeful, in the 50s brainy techbros were writing assembly code. Then high level compilers came and prolly no one trusted them. Today we are almost certain asm code from a compiler is better than anyone could write.
We would shift the paradigm, ie write specifications, and it will be more accessible, for design oriented individuals, but there will still be employees.. but no longer working in the ‘mines’ of sw development

[solemn epoch]

I'm also very much excited, but I'm not the one who needs to answer "What are you better at than AI" at the interview

Because I'm not writing code for living

We have interesting times ahead of us that's for sure

[naive kindle]

Oh yea for sure 😂

It will get worse before it gets better 😜

[solemn epoch]

That's how it always is

Poland was in such a doomed state in the 1990s that Belarus and Ukraine were better places to live

Poles went to Belarus to buy food

Now look where it is now

It's not exactly the same, but it reinforces the fact that decisive economy changes are for the better in the long run

[vagrant kernel]

And that's it

Only lasted a day

Throws you out mid response too

MS can't afford to even let the AI finish a prompt

Wallets be empty

[solemn epoch]

Fun fact
Codex finishes processing the prompt first before running out of usage, so it's not leaving you with a broken code halfway through the work

[rare needle]

Yes, and I had an impression that this is kinda a standart

When Opus just said "see you space cowboy" and left me with broken shader - it was anticlimatic

[vagrant kernel]

I mean prior to the usage based billing Copilot also worked that way

Just now they pretend to have to be hardlining it

You got people at Github crying about how unsustainable it was costwise as if they weren't the ones to put it up at that price. And then they went from it being a steal to you essentially paying directly for HW in a data center somewhere

[solemn epoch]

Fun fact

We needed to bring some shader from NecroVisioN (DX10) to Painkiller (DX9) so we used GPT 5.5 to backport the Shader Model 4 pixel shader down to SM3 and it worked flawlessly

The funnier fact is that it looked better than the developers' original DX9 version

[vagrant kernel]

Like going from $40 to thousands if you kept using it like before

[solemn epoch]

The original NecroVisioN DX9 shader the devs made themselves

Looks like crap

[rare needle]

That is... Quite impressive!

Dam, I haven't played Painkiller for like 20 years...

Need to fix that one of these days

[solemn epoch]

The fact that you haven't played Painkiller RTX is absolutely mind.blowing

I mean we won $40000 brother

[rare needle]

I have somewhat strick policy about unfinished stuff

Games, mods, TV series, book series, ect

And from what I understand Painkiller is still being tinkered with?

So it is VERY MUCH in my logbook

[solemn epoch]

Always

Still it is very complete

[rare needle]

Hmmmm

Hmmmm

I do need some nice entertainment before Victoria 3 gets fixed...

[solemn epoch]

I won't say that it is Portal with RTX level

[rare needle]

Eh, don't think anything is

[solemn epoch]

But it's somewhere close

😁

[rare needle]

It was too deliberately professional to be considered a yardstick

[rare needle]

Is there anything like a "end vision" for it btw?

Or as long as Remix gets new features, Painkiller will be poked with?

[solemn epoch]

We've built a solid ground for Remix in this game and have some absolutely crazy programmers at our side

So I would dare to say that it is one of the best games to test new features on

[rare needle]

Oh, I absolutely don't doubt the quality)

[alpine dove]

what optimization techniques have u implemented

[rare needle]

I am just a sucker for "this is finished" labels, for better or worse

But yeah, def gonna try soon if it's fully playable trough

[solemn epoch]

We switched from AABB culling to expanding the nearclip of the frustum and moving it behind the camera. AABB was already great and this approach is even more performant

Also we're not rendering static geometry anymore, it's only in Remix now

[alpine dove]

whats the perf like

[solemn epoch]

So that the game only renders dynamic meshes

[rare needle]

Huuuh, so half of geometry is game-side as usual, but other half is basically Remix-native?

[solemn epoch]

Much much better than it was before, like A LOT. Talking 3x improvement here

[alpine dove]

120 fps 4k native obv

[solemn epoch]

The problem with Remix is that it has some wild CPU overhead. Eliminating static geometry makes it so much better

[solemn epoch]

As most of the geometry is static, almost everything is only rendered by Remix

[alpine dove]

imagine the perf if the static BVH was pre calculated along with sharc

@solemn epoch ❤️

[solemn epoch]

It's always nice to see the research press on and new features get implemented

Really looking forward to what the future tech will bring

[alpine dove]

ya this is all in ds2LE rn

where at the best of times fps can reach 80-90 fps on a 5080 1440p

so cool

[distant tendon]

Yeah I dont think thats my issue tbh cause I once disabled BLAS and it still didnt work, as for the modification, aren't you supposed to modify the dxvk if your game anyways if your game isnt supported etc? cause I never heard anything about a proxy

[vagrant kernel]

The FFP proxy is part of the toolset and it sits between the game and Remix to do all the conversion you need to make the game compatible

Only modify the RTX Remix runtime if you really, really have to

For compatibility I mean, if you want to add features feel free

[distant tendon]

Installed and all but Im running into this issue when trying to build the repo

D/R, he fixed it

[bright ermine]

🙂

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Today Microsoft moved all its GitHub copilot subscribers to token-based billing.
If you want to see what happens when people have to pay the actual costs of AI, the day is finally here. It's obvious that every customer sees the deep, meaningful value and isn't angry at all.

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[muted sun]

yeah I hit 50% yesterday

[bright ermine]

time to wrap up anything i have left for BetaRT and just ship it as incomplete 🫠

[distant tendon]

how nice, came right around when I was using copilot, now I'm locked out for a month lol

[distant tendon]

windsurf is agood one

you'd have to improvise though on the instruction for the VRET

havent done that yet

[bright ermine]

yea im still paying for it as a backup

it wont be long until it follows github copilot

[distant tendon]

probably

is windsurf capable of running vret

[bright ermine]

iirc i got it working before

its been a few months tho

[distant tendon]

while trying to use it on copilot i got an error about d3dx9 or something

[bright ermine]

prob the d3d9 sdk?

[distant tendon]

LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'd3dx9.lib'

[bright ermine]

ye

[distant tendon]

yeah im not sure on what to do tbh

I installed the 2010 runtime but that didnt work

[bright ermine]

install the directx sdk and make sure its part of ur path

runtime isnt enough

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=6812

[distant tendon]

thanks

[candid mirage]

People got to stop going to these 3rd parties, just buy direct and buy the $100 plan. If you dont have that ability, then prepare for the $20 plan to be a demo

[bright ermine]

they're really not that much cheaper, and this token pricing model is 99% likely to go to the first-parties

the bubble is about to pop

hopefully more pressure for local llms to become better (obviously this will take maturity on the hardware-side and software)

[solemn epoch]

Nvidia Vera Rubin architecture entered full production. Deployment later this year. It is 2.5x faster in FP4 (AI calculations) than current Blackwell

Can't wait to see GPT 5.5 but 2,5x powerful a year from now

[bright ermine]

i dont think that's going to be relevant for any consumer if hardware costs dont go down in the next 5 years

[alpine dove]

my main worry is that it wont be a quick pop but a painfully slow deflating

[solemn epoch]

What do you mean? Every time new Nvidia arch releases there's a huge jump in AI around the corner

[bright ermine]

ok but who (cares) and who can even take advantage of it other than the 0.01% of the rich?

[solemn epoch]

Ughhh

Better hardware also means better local models

[bright ermine]

but no one can afford it is what im pointing out lol

the only realistic way for local llms to prosper is getting better performance/content out of hardware the majority of consumers already own

[solemn epoch]

I mean they are getting better at that too. There's a heavy 1-bit models research going on. But the real push forward is always brought by the new generation

[alpine dove]

what do yall think of the spark announcement? https://youtube.com/shorts/coKZy1VMUc8

[bright ermine]

sure, maybe i didnt explicity word it well, but yes newer hardware would be technically the faster way to get better local llm experiences, but i just dont see anyone wanting to buy this stuff with how expensive it is

[candid mirage]

Likely the price of a 5090 with the performance of a 5070

[alpine dove]

Nah its rumored to be between 5060 and 5060 ti perf

[bright ermine]

so even worse value

[candid mirage]

"No no no you are wrong its worse!"

[bright ermine]

its literally almost near the perf of the existing DGX spark

[candid mirage]

😭

Looks cool tho give it that

[alpine dove]

It is just the dgx spark chip

but placed in a laptop

[solemn epoch]

People always buy. The tech will never cease improving and there will never be lack of interest in it

[bright ermine]

the people who can afford it*

[rare needle]

That's not really fair

It is expensive, sure, but it's not 10x expensive

It's not even 2x expensive

[solemn epoch]

You can argue like this about everything in the world

Doesn't make much sense

[alpine dove]

the main worry is a terrible future where it’ll reach a point where the 99% stops buying in focus for neccecities

[solemn epoch]

People experience economical challenges for once in their lives and think it is over forever and ever

PC hardware has it good I can tell you that

That we can't buy materials for the fucking house that's a problem

[alpine dove]

also that dude just going “15-20 years ago we had an idea called a phone”

”today we have an idea called a pc”

Full stop

what does that mean

[bright ermine]

are we sure about that? I dont have the exact numbers but this is the price of the ram i pad for in 2024 vs what it costs now, it doesnt print a pretty picture

[rare needle]

it is asically 1 to 1 desktop 5070

[rare needle]

RAM - sure

But that one is overpriced even today, can realistically find 64gb for something like 700$

And RAM is only part of the price

[bright ermine]

any type of ram, VRAM, dram module themselves, you name it, its gotten at least 2x expensive

everything tech relies on that

[alpine dove]

im guessing its perf for the power limit its set at

[bright ermine]

i don't think its nessessarily fair to act like that's a temporary problem until we actually see price drops with the decline of frontier AI usage and rising subscription costs of those services

[rose oasis]

around the same for mine

my SSDs too

the SSDs are 2.5x what they were

RAM is like 3.5x

[bright ermine]

yeah i can grab the receipts for any of the SSDs i bought as well

[rose oasis]

😆 same ssd

[bright ermine]

oh LOL

i didnt even notice

[rose oasis]

i got mine in feb 2025

[vagrant kernel]

I should have got that fuckin WD Black 8TB

[solemn epoch]

I can definitely see where all the memory goes. AI has experienced an absolutely wild breakthrough over the past year, I think no one is going to argue with that. OpenAI only expects to become profitable around 2029, so you can expect the heavy investment in the AI research to press on until then

I see this as a shock therapy of sorts

We need to power through this

The AI research is bound to slow down and the demand will eventually plateau

We're literally almost there with all the agentic progress

[bright ermine]

I don't see them becoming profitable given their current and past business decisions, just my personal opinion though

only the USA government can help them lmao

with that pentagon money 🤑

or palantir or whatever

[solemn epoch]

you see, all the money goes into research. They've been doing it since 2015. Once the foundation is there and integrated into most parts of our lives, there's no turning back

It'll become the norm, the new economy

[bright ermine]

i dont care about turning back, i care about my shit being affordable

and local llms thriving so i can stop giving altman my money

[solemn epoch]

You must give it some time

[vagrant kernel]

Still hoping for China to drop a model that beats they ass

[solemn epoch]

We're in the transitional period

[bright ermine]

yes

[crimson yacht]

i pray for chinese saviors every day

[vagrant kernel]

Running on Chinese GPUs 😍 🇨🇳

Once the Chinese government makes AI infrastructure something they want to have it'd go fairly quickly

[crimson yacht]

my computer WILL become the property of CCP and that is a price I am willing to pay 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[solemn epoch]

The point is, inference itself is not that expensive. Research money shilling is

They constantly build new datacenters because it advances so fast

[distant tendon]

LOL

[bright ermine]

cannot wait to arm the homeless to raid these datacenters

[solemn epoch]

[vagrant kernel]

I wish I had a explode all datacenters button

[bright ermine]

me too

[solemn epoch]

Then we would have to start over and suffer another couple of years with these prices

if anything a spawn new datacenters button would be actually helpful lol

[vagrant kernel]

I'd just keep pressing the button

[crimson yacht]

it exists but I cant tell you about it

[bright ermine]

jacob has it to himself

raid his home

[vagrant kernel]

Press it mayne

[crimson yacht]

That was not the implication!!!

[warped peak]

Probably signed NDA for that

[crimson yacht]

[atomic steppe]

Who had that one book that seemed useful for ffp

virgiliojr94/book-to-skill: Turn any technical book PDF into a Claude Code skill — ready to study, reference, and use while you work. https://share.google/1xkuK7QOlTOwEYM5t

[crimson yacht]

???? Found the smoke test?????

[atomic steppe]

@sharp seal ? Was it you ^

[bright ermine]

🚬 🧪

[golden raven]

https://vxtwitter.com/heynavtoor/status/2061725900623020259

Nav Toor (@heynavtoor)

A YouTuber with 110 million subscribers released a free version of ChatGPT.

His name is Felix Kjellberg. You know him as PewDiePie.

He spent his own money on a 10-GPU computer at home. He used it to run the same kind of AI models that power ChatGPT, but on his own hardware. Then he wrote his own app to chat with them, because the apps that already exist were not good enough.

Then he gave it away for free. Anyone can download it. Anyone can change it. Anyone can run it.

It's called Odysseus.

It runs on your computer. Your data stays on your disk. No account. No tracking. No monthly fee.

What you get:

- A chat window like ChatGPT
- An AI assistant that can browse the web, read your files, and do tasks for you
- A tool that scans your computer and tells you which AI models will work on it
- A research mode that reads many websites and writes you a report
- A side-by-side mode to test two AI models on the same question
- A writing editor where AI helps you,…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 2, 2026, 8:25 AM

Normies discovering local models lmaooo

[dull swallow]

Lolll

[distant tendon]

well

[golden raven]

The twitter post is so dumb

[distant tendon]

im pretty sure most local models take up so much RAM/VRAM no?

[golden raven]

Yes

[distant tendon]

and to output stupid stuff

[golden raven]

Yes

You're comparing 26b at best to 1t

[distant tendon]

fair enough

[crimson yacht]

this isnt a result of trying to get it to say "smoking gun" on purpose (Like SOME of you do who will not be named but it is obvious) it just started saying smoke test on its own????

[golden raven]

Smoke test is an actual term

Nothing to do with smoking gun

[crimson yacht]

Well it was funnier when I thought it was making it up lol

I guess that makes sense

[sharp seal]

?

[alpine dove]

i mean hey at least pewdiepie is using his influence to push for local models to the masses so we get to a future where local ai is small and usable

even if rn its a bit dumb

all takes time

[golden raven]

good for him

Just the post itself is fumb

[alpine dove]

linkedin coded ya

[distant tendon]

LOL

well

I only changed the resolution and the game locked but like worm???

my anti virus is going crazy on innocent files

[naive kindle]

It’s been an issue since forever. Because remix, in order to hook the games (capture mouse and kb input), does things similar to what a virus/malware would do

[distant tendon]

oh..

[crimson yacht]

im convinced "compact conversation" is completely fake and made up, it just starts a new session and sends the previous message you sent. It's just so bad

[solemn epoch]

I guess I should ask Gemini

[naive kindle]

Ooooh shots-fired: Today, I AM THE ONE who sees the smoking gun! 😂

[solemn epoch]

Bro really complained about how they treat him

[golden raven]

You know what

Today I'll take a break from need for speed

Delta Force Xtreme

[exotic magnet]

To get the best results next time, I spent time analyzing your message for inefficient usage.

[naive kindle]

To be fair, I usually go to Gemini pro and say "Hey you know idtech 3 right? Here, I modified this function and now is fucked, plz fix". Gemini is a boss and does it.
Now I'm rehashing the same convo with local models, and when the models fumble I go "Admit it, you know nothing of idtech 3! How do we work together better so that you do more work? Help me help you!" but politely of course, I am not a peasant.. and well.. I got my just-deserts today..

But the response was fair: Since it does not have enough knowledge, it's asking to create a local database for the codebase, then I should ask it to fix the booboo I did

[vital dew]

It was super fucked when I tried DFX2, and claude claimed the whole world was made of skinned meshes

Or CPU skinned or some whacko shit that made me drop it pretty quick

Also still suffers from FFP issues

[vagrant kernel]

Claude also claimed this of Deadly Premonition but was wrong

[solemn epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/grand-theft-auto-gta-3-claude-speed-run-to-camera-run-and-stop-gif-11847905177537644241

[golden raven]

No one likes dfx2 and you're wrong for liking dfx2

It is objectively, in all senses, a bad game.

[alpine dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIQjJ8clZPs

[golden raven]

esmoke

[solemn epoch]

If Anthropic bans Smoking Gun in the system prompt It'll qualify as Opus 5

[golden raven]

Neon and brake lights

[golden raven]

Holy fuck I think I might have found a way for OP light placement

a draw with texture T and vertex-colour C → emit light L

Use the game's own light flare system to place acurate lights in the whole scene.

It's kinda similar to remix's "Add light to texture" system but proxy side for better categorization, customization and stability.

[crystal kiln]

Interesting. I guess your problem would be: How do you decide where to position said light source? Center of the mesh aabb? object pos? Some are positioned at 0,0,0 so you need multiple ways to customize such authored lights

[golden raven]

Center of the sprite aabb works for me

All the flares are exactly at the light's source

If a light needs to be rotated, I can set a world axis rotation constant

Thjat's for later though

I'll test with the nitrous particles firslt

[crystal kiln]

Gotta be cautious with the same texture being reused in many places (I.e: rain dropplets)

[golden raven]

They are separated by vertex colors

So all the light flares are b/w

I find the drawcall. Separate by color.

[crystal kiln]

Got it. It is quite niched but sounds like a good plan for U2

[vital dew]

I only tried it because it was the latest game lol
I dont think I even tried DFX1

[crimson yacht]

how

how does this hapen
its a robot

[vagrant kernel]

That's something I would write to the AI

I never saw it misspell something but it did abbreviate We Love Katamari Royal Reverie to "KatamarirRR" with an extra r which was really embarassing

Me misspelling embarrassing in a post about misspellings is good

[crimson yacht]

"ive hit a frustrating snag" SHUT YOURSELF DOWN NOW