does it use anti-cheat or something?
#(WIP) UnityRTX
onyx apex
lament ice
does it use anti-cheat or something?
nah
onyx apex
if they explicity block modding then yeah its not worth the effort
lament ice
as much as id wish i know theres js no point
onyx apex
working on something to save my sanity as i test more games
quaint grail
I have no idea what im looking at
Looks amazing 
onyx apex
debug hud that shows unity materials and meshes, remix hashes of those, where they originated from, and if they were readable from the gpu or not. I was previously having to go through a verbose log file to hunt down these things and i'd often find the wrong one
onyx apex
not yet, been working on tooling so i can start focusing on that more
onyx apex
do not ride the snake
split loom
Dang, Getting Over It RTX
Also these randomly appearing assets are kinda freaky
Scary shadow world
onyx apex
its the same issue as ultrakill, particles using the wrong texture
split loom
Ah
onyx apex
ofc hw skinning works here but not everything else lmao
onyx apex
i forget anything older than unity 2022 make it really hard to parse gpu-instanced geometry, this game uses it everywhere
onyx apex
everything seems to render except blocks because those are probably built with shaders if i had to guess
quaint grail
<:SaberRedL:448554412949110799> <:SaberBlueR:448554399619481612>
This definitely isnt actually able to be displayed in a headset right
quaint grail
Didn't think so, very cool it works nonetheless lol
onyx apex
i forget anything older than unity 2022 make it really hard to parse gpu-instanc...
yeah im gonna have to skip working on this one, unity 2020 sucks to work with
now i wonder if bonelabs works without VR...
agony
im sure boneworks is the same
guess ill work on PEAK for rn
textures
quaint grail
textures <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
peak PEAK????? incredible
onyx apex
lol wut
refactoring texture loading because peak loads like 40K meshes for the main menu and that just kills the wrapper
worn swan
refactoring texture loading because peak loads like 40K meshes for the main menu...
wasnt called peak for nothing then lol
worn swan
textures <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
are those feet or hands?
onyx apex
hands
worn swan
oh lol
onyx apex
also hw skinning also works in this game flawlessly 🫃
lament ice
textures <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
Yay
lament ice
also hw skinning also works in this game flawlessly 🫃
Does the hashes reset for this one too?
onyx apex
haven't checked
onyx apex
sur
sudden seal
the renderdoc stuff in vibe tools will help immensely with getting UI working. or it can be done manually using renderdoc
the commit there for UI was focusd on FO4, but i tried to design it in such a way that it'll work for other games without much modification
it supports static and world space UI, depending on how you implement it on the game side. theoretically it can support anything tbh so long as you properly identify the render target on the game side. you could use this for passing through certain effects if you wanted too, like blur. anything in a render target = possible
for FO4 we detect the render target that it uses using heuristics, which then gets pushed to the new 2d overlay system in the remix api. it has to be cleared carefully to prevent ghosting issues, but it works
split loom
it supports static *and* world space UI, depending on how you implement it on th...
Oh there is a 2D overlay system in the API?
sudden seal
yeah
it could be used in normal remix projects for a ton of things
if your game has some really neat effects that remix normally can't parse, and it's in the right format, it could be transferred with the api now
renderdoc can be used to identify it and see if it's compatible
topaz knoll
funny enough squirrel stapler renders just a triangle
lament ice
funny enough squirrel stapler renders just a triangle
"ThAts cOol bUt mONo ssssssUpoRt wheN"
worn swan
topaz knoll
i was just messing with tsp's debug mode
quaint grail
ultrakil
young wolf
young wolf
i was just messing with tsp's debug mode
is this actual lighting from unityrtx?
worn swan
how is only up 3d? i thought was 2d
lost bluff
oh god
i can only imagine how terrifying lethal would be especially when the new update is really putting the work in on increasing the horror elements
onyx apex
is this actual lighting from unityrtx?
no this looks pre-rendered
lots of banding and you can clearly see sprites which dont render at all rn
also aliasing
young wolf
how is only up 3d? i thought was 2d
im confused?
onyx apex
how is only up 3d? i thought was 2d
game is very 3D
#1446017925545857145 message
topaz knoll
is this actual lighting from unityrtx?
no its a normal screenshot
topaz knoll
how is only up 3d? i thought was 2d
did you mix up getting over it with only up
worn swan
did you mix up getting over it with only up
yea
atomic thorn
So we got unity or something?
topaz knoll
So we got unity or something?
pathtraced meshes with the source engine missing textures? yeah we got unity
onyx apex
💔
quaint grail
My BRAIN is a MACHINE that turns ULTRAKILL TEXTURES to BLURRY PBR MATERIALS
Well image uploading is broken so you get no context for that
onyx apex
re-done culling for all mesh rendering, showing extreme values here but you'd use this for a game like PEAK where it renders thousands of meshes that lock up wrapper
havent tested visibility culling yet but that would use unity's own culling system instead of the distant one shown here
sudden seal
re-done culling for all mesh rendering, showing extreme values here but you'd us...
are you doing culling in remix after it receives the data? or are you culling the things being passed to remix
onyx apex
culling via the wrapper, so the latter
sudden seal
i desperately need this in FO4
worn swan
whoa pog
lament ice
re-done culling for all mesh rendering, showing extreme values here but you'd us...
am i teakin or did you get vertex coloring working?
actually wait no nvm cuz the grass is still green and not tan
mb
onyx apex
am i teakin or did you get vertex coloring working?
this game doesnt use vertex colors
lament ice
Oh
onyx apex
the real issue is probably duplicate world geometry because im forcing inactive renderer layers to show
the tricky part is that's how we get level geometry to render correctly in ultrakill and its super fickle to mess with
its also why there is a random tree that shows up in remix where it doesnt in the OG game
onyx apex
no wrries
onyx apex
im trying to test this on peak so i can get into the main map
lament ice
This should also help woth the dark revival
onyx apex
stanley parable too
game is mostly corridors but the game renders literally the entire map
ideally you'd use visibility culling since that's similar to what gmod rtx does with PVS data
path tracing friendly
lament ice
game is mostly corridors but the game renders literally the entire map
Same with tdr
Almost
It renders half of it but everything in it
Hardly anything gets called iirc
onyx apex
ok peak isnt having it rn, but in addition to the culling stuff, i implemented native geometry instancing so any repeated meshes are only rendered once and then instanced via the remix api
more than double fps in stanley
funny how geometry culling doesnt really seem to affect anything because the game renders the map in 3 different render paths
why do devs make this stuff so cursed
free fps
split loom
ok peak isnt having it rn, but in addition to the culling stuff, i implemented n...
Damn, that is next level
young wolf
ok peak isnt having it rn, but in addition to the culling stuff, i implemented n...
”more that double” wdym thats beyond quadruple 😭
onyx apex
im probably gonna have to start leaning into game profiles for specific fixes. Im at the point where I can fix an issue in one game, but it breaks something in the other. I'll probably add a dropdown for the profie and you'll just select what works best for your game
young wolf
im probably gonna have to start leaning into game profiles for specific fixes. I...
ya 100%
sudden seal
ok peak isnt having it rn, but in addition to the culling stuff, i implemented n...
🙏 please share your wisdom. i've been trying to get the instancing thing working but have been unable to
onyx apex
for skinned or non-combined geometry (no level data), wrapper will generate a hash for it, if wrapper sees another mesh with the same hash, it assumes it needs to be instanced and will do so
sudden seal
thank you ✨
junior zephyr
modern robin
receiver 2.........
onyx apex
very much, i have already expressed why its monobleedingedge for rn multiple times
topaz knoll
sonic condor
very much, i have already expressed why its monobleedingedge for rn *multiple* t...
one thing; whoever decided to name it "mono bleeding edge" sucks
why is it bleeding ew
onyx apex
i assume because it means newest mono
but more realistically, its just whatever name unity stuck with for the "next gen" mono that unity 2019+ games use
atomic thorn
no
half musk
-# should probably update the forum name so people don't continue to ask about it
onyx apex
i dont think thats really going to help
no one will immediately know what runtime their unity game uses
half musk
oh yeah fair
young wolf
@onyx apex u have a dual monitor setup?
atomic thorn
You can just read the name of the thing
onyx apex
You can just read the name of the thing
yeah but im not editing the title to include all of the precautionary info
the project readme on github already says monobleedingedge only
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> u have a dual monitor setup?
yea but i've just been using the single monitor for rn
young wolf
the project readme on github already says monobleedingedge only
Woahhhh “edge” thats kinda riskay
onyx apex
yea but i've just been using the single monitor for rn
why
onyx apex
lmfao
young wolf
yea but i've just been using the single monitor for rn
What have u been doing to try make it so that u can control the game while seeing the remix window
onyx apex
guh
its just the two windows next to each other
do you mean like in the videos?
i added both of them as sources in OBS
young wolf
its just the two windows next to each other
my monitor isn’t big enough for that
onyx apex
you could just make the resolutions smaller
the windows are 1080p each, my main monitor is 4K so yeah i got space
lament ice
superliminal
@onyx apex if you wanna try this game, its 7$ on steam i could gift it to ya
onyx apex
sure ❤️
lament ice
onyx apex
accepted
worn swan
Whoa cool
onyx apex
lament ice
trust me this game would make for a great rtx mod (similar to tsb in an artstyle sense)
onyx apex
:3
lament ice
tsp*
lament ice
Yeah
onyx apex
superliminal
i cant even get ingame lol
well the normal game does but remix locks up after 3 seconds from what i can tell is some kind of overflow with mesh submission
could be my local changes but im trying to figure it out
topaz knoll
superliminal
i also tested this game before and that guy looks like this
onyx apex
got the game running again, looks like its based on v2019 so a lot of the gpu readback stuff doesnt work
ill see how different it is from 2022
young wolf
got the game running again, looks like its based on v2019 so a lot of the gpu re...
what build of the game r u running?
onyx apex
latest steam
worn swan
got to titlescreen with the demo with the build of mine but the insperation behind mine was cr and kim
onyx apex
ill see how different it is from 2022
so just like unity 2020 for getting over it, there is no APIs for readback so i'm going to have to use signatures to intercept mesh creation for this engine version, if it works well enough, it could apply for 2022+ games and I could finally get rid of scene scanning
@lament ice we were extremely lucky to test ultrakill with this idea initially back in december
like holy fuck
onyx apex
👁️
some absolute fuckery later and we have all geometry, materials are still broken but im getting there
should probably see if this works for getting over it
im hooking dx11 to create a fallback readback for meshes, probably not the best idea but it works
tranquil sparrow
Mother of god...
onyx apex
i notice with every game there is some color space differences, could be tonemapping but my gut feeling it's how remix handles unity's texture format
onyx apex
wow cant believe you ruined the art style
avg dsogaming article comment
tranquil sparrow
wow cant believe you ruined the art style
Reddit is leaking
young wolf
imagine topbr with this
onyx apex
no need, i can re-use the original maps, normals are already handled
young wolf
Heavily modified topbr
young wolf
no need, i can re-use the original maps, normals are already handled
footage is with og maps?
sudden seal
Heavily modified topbr
bottompbr when
onyx apex
footage is with og maps?
game really only uses normals, but all of it is handled in the wrapper/remix api, no replacements or anything
most unity games use pbr maps anyway
even if they aren't really pbr in art style
young wolf
game really only uses normals, but all of it is handled in the wrapper/remix api...
i wonder why there’s a colour difference in the wall texture between the windows
cant just be tonemapping
light bronze
BROOO looks like severance
so cool
unity rtx will revolutionize oklahoma's crop harvest!!!
onyx apex
i wonder why there’s a colour difference in the wall texture between the windows
did you not read the part under the video
but my gut feeling it's how remix handles unity's texture format
young wolf
> but my gut feeling it's how remix handles unity's texture format
oh soz
light bronze
> but my gut feeling it's how remix handles unity's texture format
lol where did nixos come from
onyx apex
prob my badge
tranquil sparrow
My dream of path traced 7 Days to Die comes closer...
light bronze
i wonder what unity type dusk is
how do you see this?
or do you have to have the game installed?
people playground 3d rtx???
onyx apex
or do you have to have the game installed?
you have to install the game
if you see monobleedingedge in the game's root directory, it will inject, if mono or il2cpp, no way
lament ice
<@1446193124920786974> we were ***extremely*** lucky to test ultrakill with this...
Wow
lament ice
Ooh amazing
lament ice
how do you see this?
Search up unity version online
light bronze
Search up unity version online
makes sense
topaz knoll
TSP call it complete
onyx apex
guh
undone nymph
Can someone find out what dagger directive uses?
undone nymph
Can someone find out what dagger directive uses?
Never mind, just seen it uses il2cpp😔
split loom
If you need another game to test, Daggerfall is free on steam and the Unity version is quickly set up and running
vale root
If you need another game to test, Daggerfall is free on steam and the Unity vers...
Oh, Daggerfall Unity is amazing. It also has tons of mods, and there are even some PBR texture mods that would be perfect for Remix.
sudden seal
@onyx apex i'm gonna pull latest dxvk-remix and cherrypick the api changes and w/e and merge them into the newer version. main reason for doing this is that i'm at the point in Skyrim rtx where i need remix logic
were there any new changes you had locally that you wanna push before i do this? it'd be a lot easier that way
onyx apex
no
sudden seal
idk if you really even need the new build CR
but it's fully functional now
your sky, the api updates, hdr + tonemapping, all that
i'm gonna also try to refactor it to make it easier to rebase in the future because this was a nightmare
quaint grail
but it's fully functional now
Low resolution replacement textures filtering even if its set to nearest in the mod: 
That being one of the the only issues ive had is kinda crazy though
sudden seal
Low resolution replacement textures filtering even if its set to nearest in the ...
sorry i have no idea what this means
quaint grail
@sudden seal
sudden seal
oh
well i wasn't talking about unityrtx being fully functional
i was talking about my build of dxvk-remix and if CR wanted to use it
onyx apex
idk if you really even need the new build CR
for remix particles gladly
young wolf
for remix particles gladly <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
what changes to particles did they make?
sudden seal
young wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-h4CBuHzI
oh ya that soz i thought CR meant you made extra changes
sudden seal
o no worries i understand now
it's just the current remix stuff but with the branch cr and i use updated for it
sudden seal
for remix particles gladly <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
i'm working on the stuff still to get it easily rebased in the future
but as it is rn it's fully functional
sudden seal
started fresh on dxvk-remix, then pulled in all of the old content manually
i tried it the other way around, it was pain and suffering and never launched
onyx apex
other way? you can cherry pick commits and modify them before they're actually committed
sudden seal
🙏 i tried this like 3 times
there were so many breaking changes that it just refused to run unless i gave claude both repos at the same time in their proper states, and had it modify plain dxvk-remix with the changes from your branch
onyx apex
weird, i personally dont think all of that had to be done to rebase but ok
you can manually add remotes into one respository so you can reference commits from other repos and stuff
sudden seal
they changed a lot of stuff
like a lot more than you'd have thought
many variable names changed too
it's done now so w/e lol
onyx apex
i think the biggest issue was just the UI do-over, but i had very few issues rebasing the gmod-ex branch, which was based on the same unity stuff
well for the most part
sudden seal
particle system and all that is a nice improvement. was already messing with it some
onyx apex
how much do you plan to update the fork? I try to keep mine up to date but as you can see, sometimes time gets the best of you 
sudden seal
well, i was kinda hoping to PR it back into yours 😅 and then we just both contribute since we're both making remix mods using the api
or we can keep it on mine and u PR if you have anything, idm whichever way
onyx apex
maybe we can create a github org so its not tied to either of our accounts?
wait you already have an org
sudden seal
i have one yeah. i could move the branch to there
but for whatever changes, is it okay with you if we PR and review each other's commits before merging? instead of pushing directly to the org branch
sudden seal
i tend to iterate on my personal fork, then make a PR to orgs. that's just what i prefer (it's less stressful lol). but you can do that if you want, w/e works best for you
quaint grail
ill prob switch to this ver for mcRTX
Switch to this who?
onyx apex
yea i guess this would also apply to unityrtx
sudden seal
yeah the goal of this was to give us a more up to date base for all api remix mods
so w/e u want to use it on it should work.
i made sure that everything is backwards compatible with the existing API stuff that we designed our plugins/wrappers around
onyx apex
even if it doesnt work as-is, it shouldnt be much work to fix the wrappers
sudden seal
ya
after i push the restructure stuff, i'll move it to the org and add you as a contributor
onyx apex
this is what i like to see lmao
(i have been asleep 🙂 )
lament ice
(i have been asleep 🙂 )
casting a spell that makes you rest longer
lament ice
fair
atomic thorn
Hey @onyx apex did you ever release a build of the new version?
definitely not paying for that
onyx apex
when did i ever mention of making this paid?
atomic thorn
when did i ever mention of making this paid?
I genuinly 100 wrote that right under here. #offtopic-game-discussion message
I have no idea how discord could have fucked up this badly
lmfao
lament ice
minecraft
quaint grail
How do you pass pbr textures to remix?
The DARK SOULS method 
has worked great for me #1481706093976621277 message
sullen rune
@onyx apex hey, considering UE4 and UE5 source code is available
Would it theoretically be possible to have something similar to UnityRTX?
sudden seal
i was looking at making an API mod for a UE4 game. if i do that, ig it could be expanded for general UE4?
(game is supraland)
sullen rune
We would basically no longer be limited by API for majority games if we had UE4 and UE5
Because we had UE3 recently
sullen rune
That guy had the source code, iirc
It’s not hard
atomic thorn
Ue3
atomic thorn
Don't look at me
sudden seal
It’s not hard
biggest problem will be adapting it for individual games/their individaul modifications
sullen rune
Don't look at me
Seems there’s some unofficial repositories archiving it
onyx apex
biggest problem will be adapting it for individual games/their individaul modifi...
ye this is what unityrtx struggles with atm
atomic thorn
You still haven't posted a build of the current version yet
onyx apex
i published a preview build about a month ago
worn swan
unity used bepinex though right
atomic thorn
I wonder if there's a way to make a vibe unity compatibility mod
onyx apex
the upstream changes are not ready and im only focusing one project at a time rn
atomic thorn
Like listing the things you could need to tweak for per-game compat
onyx apex
you can fork whatever i have now and just develp for a specific game
sullen rune
Little Nightmares would be a nice UE4 demo if a Remix plugin was ever made
atomic thorn
No, the second one
sudden seal
supraland has a lot of bright colors and cute designs that'd translate well to remix, that's the main reason i picked it
worn swan
is bepinex source public i mean we could use it
sullen rune
No, the second one
I don’t know, I picked the 1st one because it might be easier
atomic thorn
I don't think bepinex alone would do much
worn swan
problem is ue4 and 5 games were incredible slow
onyx apex
you'd be surprised, it even does harmony patches which is equivalent to engine patches
atomic thorn
That's the per-instance performance
onyx apex
meh unityrtx has good perf for what it is lol
atomic thorn
This is currently one of the biggest blockers, imo
onyx apex
most of the optimizations i do already try to keep draw calls low
quaint grail
This is currently one of the biggest blockers, imo
So thats why Sonic Generations has the performance that it has
worn swan
i mean remix does compile shaders. can you compile them before the game loads?
onyx apex
i mean remix does compile shaders. can you compile them before the game loads?
no because it doesnt know what shaders to compile until runtime
only dolphin emu has figured that one out
atomic thorn
So thats why Sonic Generations has the performance that it has <:maw:14889956754...
Probably. I'm trying to think of ways to keep instance counts low
Maaaaybe merge meshes into single objects?
onyx apex
Probably. I'm trying to think of ways to keep instance counts low
batching and instancing static geo is #1
worn swan
Maaaaybe merge meshes into single objects?
animations tho
onyx apex
all of my projects priortize this
sudden seal
Probably. I'm trying to think of ways to keep instance counts low
this is the biggest problem for skyrim rn. fo4 has a precombine option that improved perf a lot
atomic thorn
animations tho
Most of the map can be kept static
onyx apex
hw skinning is required for skinned meshes if you want to instance those too
sudden seal
batching and instancing static geo is #1
i was looking at a method to do this, but couldn't decide. what did you end up using?
atomic thorn
this is the biggest problem for skyrim rn. fo4 has a precombine option that impr...
Yeah in my testing with beam, a 4x4 km map with only 3 objects ran far better than a smaller map with a few thousand instances
onyx apex
i was looking at a method to do this, but couldn't decide. what did you end up u...
very game/engine specific.
since unity submits models in a cpu readable fashion (or rather, can be forced to), i can build a list of every unique object/prefab, cache those, and for every subsequent call, I instance those out.
gmod rtx perf mode does the same thing
BetaRT merges everything inside a world chunk, even if it's a different block or static entity. Any dynamic entities are hw skinned and instanced
the key factor is finding what works best for your game
worn swan
im curious about instances but im curious about games that dont use them
probably thinking wrong
onyx apex
instancing is really only useful to remix because we're trying to optimize for its renderer
though sometimes this introduces bottlenecks in your wrapper so its all a balancing act
young wolf
This is currently one of the biggest blockers, imo
do we have a list of the biggest blockers/performance hitters in remix rn?
quaint grail
do we have a list of the biggest blockers/performance hitters in remix rn?
the pathtracing 🤓 👆
atomic thorn
real
young wolf
the pathtracing 🤓 👆
That being said i wonder what can be done to make the path tracer run more efficiantly, im guessing they already did all they could to make the path tracer run as fast as possible without reducing quality
sullen rune
That being said i wonder what can be done to make the path tracer run more effic...
Don’t translate via dxvk
young wolf
Don’t translate via dxvk
what alternative do u think they could use
onyx apex
guys what
like stop for a sec
nothing about the dxvk part of remix is relevant to this
assuming we're still talking about remix api projects that directly integrate with the remix rendering code, why would that have any performance penality when its not even being used. Also, mark clearly said the remix side is not optimized for high draw calls, so this would include ffp, shader, and remix api games
He is saying the remix rendering code itself would need to be optimized, so gutting dxvk would have 0 impact other than making Remix extremely hard to integrate with games
to be clear Remix is DXVK
young wolf
He is saying the remix rendering code itself would need to be optimized, so gutt...
i hope they someday get around to fully optimizing the rendering code, i'd be fine with that being a major update and having many months of work be dedicated to only that
sudden seal
there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about how remix works and especially how the API works. I'm hoping to clear that up in the document I'm writing to prevent more stuff like this from happening
onyx apex
there's a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about how remix works and e...
please
🙏
sudden seal
it'll hopefully be done within the next week
onyx apex
we really need a chart to show how the Remix API communicates with the game and the runtime
and explicitly show where that happens to prevent any confusion of said conversation
sudden seal
ya
I actually made a chart for fallout 4. it'll be included along with very detailed information about how it works in the open source release soon
I'd share the chart right now but I don't have access to Github at the moment
later tonight
sullen rune
assuming we're still talking about remix api projects that directly integrate wi...
Maybe that’s why Sam mentioned draw calls
I forgot about him for a second
young wolf
Maybe that’s why Sam mentioned draw calls
whos sam?
worn swan
split loom
Now this is my jam
worn swan
Now this is my jam
#offtopic-game-discussion message
the fan game is in the video description
couldnt do nothing cause i kept dying
lol
lament ice
bendy and the ink machine
young wolf
bendy and the ink machine
only debug view so far?
lament ice
@young wolf
i wish there was an easier way to find meshes currently becaues this white mesh is covering most of the map but the map works fine under it
under the floor
young wolf
i wish there was an easier way to find meshes currently becaues this white mesh ...
r u able to hide the texture instance?
onyx apex
i think I'm gonna release whatever work I've done so far
im not done working on unityrtx but i currently have my hands full with BetaRT
lament ice
im not done working on unityrtx but i currently have my hands full with BetaRT
yeah no dont worry about it rn cr, im js slightly modifying the runtime for direct firewatch/bendy support
i found a way
young wolf
i think I'm gonna release whatever work I've done so far
ye pls do when u can im so excited
lament ice
although i think bendy is monobleedingedge now
lament ice
I know this isn't directly crs unityrtx but its still technically, just game specific so yay unity mono game kinda working rn
"Workinf"
lament ice
You're working with mono?
Yes
split loom
Would it be worth a try with a il2cpp title
undone nymph
Mycopunk
lament ice
Because I don't like this game
My plan is to move it to general mono support
After getting this game to work
atomic thorn
Mmm. That would be very good, actually
onyx apex
My plan is to move it to general mono support
is this based off unityrtx? would be nice if you could PR your mono work
lament ice
is this based off unityrtx? would be nice if you could PR your mono work
Yes and no?
Sorta
onyx apex
guh
lament ice
Instead of using a mod loader
Its running directly on monos plug-in support
Idk if that should be added to yours at all as it may conflict
onyx apex
could be integrated with enough work, just would be weird if there were two general mods for unity imo
lament ice
Yeah fair
I could once I get this working enough, if you have any tips for geometry im all ears
Brb tho
(At like 7 cuz work)
lament ice
forgot to mention cr but we'll prolly need help doing prs cuz we've never done thay before, so when we get home we'll prolly need small assistance for the least ammount of headaches
sullen rune
@onyx apex Unity released AI
Now I can say “implement Pathtracing”
Why need UnityRTX now?
lament ice
<@326199486550376451> Unity released AI
Now I can say “implement Pathtracing”
Wh...
Because other games don't use that or want to use that
young wolf
could be integrated with enough work, just would be weird if there were two gene...
i could see how two versions could co exist, one for mono and one for bleedingedge for increased compatability, just picking the right one for the game
split loom
I got Katamari to do stuff with the Bepinex il2cpp plugin. Any idea of a good way to refine it? Any sort of logging you could do to feed to the AI so it has something to work with?
onyx apex
i could see how two versions could co exist, one for mono and one for bleedinged...
way i see it, unityrtx should probably use this hierarchy
--> Binary injection
---> Plugins:
---> mono
---> bepinex
---> bepinex il2cpp
one size fits all
split loom
Oh ofc the console window is already logging plenty of stuff I'm dumb
onyx apex
there is also a lot of logging stuff you can enable in the plugin config file
lament ice
@onyx apex heading home then I'll try to pr what ive done, but I've never pr'ed befode
What should I do
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> heading home then I'll try to pr what ive done, but I've n...
PR's usually come from a fork of the project that is meant to be merged back into the master projecct. So if your mono wrapper is currently not directly based on unityrtx, you'll have to make a fork of my project and then integrate your changes into it. Once it's compilable and works, you can then submit a pull request from github
onyx apex
after fixing some regressions, all of the superliminal d3d11 hacks have made a lot more stuff render in ultrakill lol
hi pistol charge
lament ice
PR's usually come from a fork of the project that is meant to be merged back int...
Oh alright sorry
I'll work on that
lament ice
after fixing some regressions, all of the superliminal d3d11 hacks have made a l...
Awesome
onyx apex
release is imminent
lament ice
Saluting
onyx apex
well i need to test 2 more games for further regressions but im pretty sure its good to go
lament ice
Im gonna continue working on tryna get the terrain to work
quaint grail
release is imminent
@grok is this true?
onyx apex
ok im noticing an issue in pretty much every game, the d3d11 readback trick works too well
stanley parable renders the same geometry like 4 times
perf is completely dead lmfao
im coming up with a de-duplication system to filter this crap out
quaint grail
stanley parable renders the same geometry like 4 times
4X THE GEOMETRY
4X THE DETAIL
split loom
Just reading about dedup makes me relive Dark Souls trauma 
onyx apex
I got Katamari to do stuff with the Bepinex il2cpp plugin. Any idea of a good wa...
do you mind telling me how you got it working? i experimented with bepinex 6 with il2cpp support but i had to rewrite a lot of parts of unityrtx to make some games barely render, while breaking all other 5.x games
lament ice
@onyx apex what if the dif versions for unity rtx was like a reshade instalelr type vibe, saving compatibility issues n whatnot
im sure thatd be difficult to do tho
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> what if the dif versions for unity rtx was like a reshade ...
the reshade installer just renamed the ReShade.dll to the correct API dll file, it was still the same reshade for all APIs
onyx apex
so still the path that im looking for 
lament ice
i mean
i guess my only issue is that id have to start from scratch basically to have it integrated which atm im too broke to do
onyx apex
if you wanna publish your code as is, i can work on integrating it myself if u dont mind
end product would be the same functionality you'd have now of course
split loom
do you mind telling me how you got it working? i experimented with bepinex 6 wit...
Well, I did it with AI so not a lot I can personally describe, but I just installed the game with the Bepinex il2cpp plugin and pointed at your source code as well as the game folder and it made it boot first step, and then I just refined from there. Geo looks good now, textures are still missing.
This is what the AI had to say for itself:
lament ice
if you wanna publish your code as is, i can work on integrating it myself if u d...
i dont realy mind no, saves me whatever issues of figuring that out
split loom
Could be BS idk sorry
onyx apex
gotcha, no worries
lament ice
idk how to tell i dont have mono games
onyx apex
wait i think its bleedingedge
nope its mono
lament ice
the forest? <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
i dont own the forrest on steam
but i could test that at some point
onyx apex
it does inject with bepinex but doesnt ever load unityrtx
lament ice
my goal is to make this a general wrapper
onyx apex
yea thats why i was asking about integrating it into this project at some point
onyx apex
ye im good with that, any mod loader would be treated as a plugin
#1446017925545857145 message
lament ice
fvf is also iclpp
onyx apex
fvf?
lament ice
friends vs friends
i mean i could try and give you the plugin thing to see if it might work on the forrest but currently i doubt it
onyx apex
yea dont worry about it rn
lament ice
kk
sorry again lol ik youre busy with mc rtx
i cant for the life of me get anything to render terrain wise
nvm!
@onyx apex how do you get it to not constantly reupload the same mesh? its causing it all to hang
onyx apex
make sure each mesh is created with a transient hash so it persists across frames
lament ice
aye aye
onyx apex
im coming up with a de-duplication system to filter this crap out
holy shit
onyx apex
by far the best this game has ever been rendered
i cant wait for every other game to break lmao
(i kid, hopefully not)
emissives
lament ice
wow
lament ice
fire
fixed the lod terrain and trees being the furthest it can be but this is annoying me
sudden seal
fixed the lod terrain and trees being the furthest it can be but this is annoyin...
if it's anything like what i ran into with fallout, it's probably that as soon as the remix window gets out of sync with the game window, it wipes everything being rendered
lament ice
How'd you fix that?
sudden seal
told claude to fix it 🤭
tell it to persist the game data that was sent instead of clearing it
lament ice
Alright
sudden seal
onyx apex
time to see if i broke ultrakill again
lament ice
tell it to persist the game data that was sent instead of clearing it
this didnt really fix it bleck
i think i got an idea tho
woaw
beutifl
sudden seal
this didnt really fix it bleck
sowwy 🫂
lament ice
no need for sorry
sudden seal
what worked?
lament ice
figured it out
sudden seal
no need for sorry
I'm just really broken today I think
proof: now I want to apologize for apologizing 😞
lament ice
it was what you said but a little bit deeper?
sudden seal
interesting
lament ice
createmesh was running on unitys end and then forwarded to remix, but every time itd scan for that itd clear what it previously had
so it no longer calls remix from unitys thread
sudden seal
oh yeah that's pretty much what I ran into too
interesting that it happens with unity also
glad it's fixed 💖
lament ice
next up is to speed up geometry load time, find the missing geometry then textures
then well prolly hand it to cr to see what they can do abt getting it to be in sync with thier mod
slash and or getting it to not be game specific
and i mean i can do what it currently does and it works
but performance tanks completely
light bronze
release soon? 🔜
onyx apex
time to see if i broke ultrakill again
very much did and took forever to fix. ok release now coming very soon
onyx apex
warning, most games you're going to have to tweak a bunch of shit for the visuals to look correct
by default its going to try to render everything it can grab from the engine, so even stuff hidden in the actual Unity scene
quaint grail
https://github.com/sambow23/UnityRTX/releases/tag/v0.2
onyx apex
by default its going to try to render everything it can grab from the engine, so...
this is where the plugin settings are found
sudden seal
great work
lament ice
throwing my hands into the air
for tonight
gonna mess around with bendy lol
huzzah
onyx apex
lament ice
almost everything works except decals
onyx apex
almost everything works except decals
how much does bendy cost
quaint grail
Wasnt going to try this today but I changed my mind
Going to test the 'kill
onyx apex
(dies)
lament ice
basically every bendy game that does work with this is almost ootb lol
so close to perfection
onyx apex
onyx apex
who stole some parts
lament ice
took "stealing a stapler from corporate" a bit too far
quaint grail
He's
lament ice
hes
onyx apex
hes
onyx apex
if you wanna
onyx apex
i would say the other way of getting the game but i will be smited down
🙂
hi sparkles
lament ice
im not saying "if i gift it to you you will do it for me"
btw
uhm but
erm
dms rq........
onyx apex
lol dw, ill work on it, more games to test
quaint grail
Its such a sunny day!
onyx apex
worst day on hell:
is that a regression btw
ultrakill is really finicky with the renderer selections so i usually clear the wrapper config file
quaint grail
Didnt play P2 on the previous version but I wouldnt think so
lament ice
the floors and roofs are effects
quaint grail
P-2
lament ice
p-2
quaint grail
That's right I P ranked it thank you for asking
onyx apex
was white knuckle's text always emissive, i dont remember
lament ice
was white knuckle's text always emissive, i dont remember
it wasnt before
onyx apex
also these red lines
looks cool ngl
game also now runs pretty good at 1080p DLAA lol
lament ice
you know what else looks cool
ts update goes hard, thank you cr
i wonder how atlyss looks rn
quaint grail
Insane asylum P-2
onyx apex
lol
i think the debug meshes are taking up the actual level geometry
try to find that debug texture and hide it with hide texture instance
lament ice
tdr looks the same as always
onyx apex
tdr?
lament ice
the dark revival
onyx apex
ah
lament ice
bendy part 2
onyx apex
was it broken or something
lament ice
no its been perfect ish the entire time i was js checking perf
early builds of remix unity had roughly 12-13 fps
currently sitting at a healthy 55 ish
with culling settings
onyx apex
atlyss is rendering more stuff and its also really fuckin bright
lament ice
wow
onyx apex
acid pool ig lmao
sudden seal
hi sparkles
🤭
quaint grail
half musk
you know what else looks cool
per channel orange go brrrrrrrrr
quaint grail
onyx apex
i should try beat saber again
quaint grail
Noob
lament ice
lethal is still the same, wrong/missing textures and bright lights
really doesnt matter much, its not in the games artistic style and cant be "well it works fine for art bcuz"
onyx apex
i should try beat saber again
ok more renders but who the fuck is this in my beat saber
dude from smash bros
mr hand
lament ice
@onyx apex where do i get bepinex for ilcpp? i might give pixel gun a whirl
quaint grail
ok more renders but who the fuck is this in my beat saber
Hes the guy who beats your saber 
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> where do i get bepinex for ilcpp? i might give pixel gun a...
their github, its a pre-release, it will not work without modifications to the plugin
onyx apex
ok more renders but who the fuck is this in my beat saber
wow this is a lot more than i thought
ENA looks awesome wtf
lament ice
Woah what the fuck
lament ice
im gonna try and use my remaining 2$ on it, itll work trust
OK its not gonna work
Lmao
lament ice
Whos... who's gonna try hello neighbor (if its even monobleeding(
Can rtx save hello neighbor release???????????
Im the one of 3 people who actually liked its full release
quaint grail
https://giphy.com/gifs/hello-neighbor-GploQVKeECo6uCG5Sf
I think matpat will enjoy breaking this gif down frame by frame 👀
onyx apex
for
quaint grail
the one thing i hate abt the devs of hello neighbor, they're desperate
Devs of hello neighbor game theory video factory
That's all they ever were
quaint grail
omg guys muck works
maybe if you make muck rtx karlson will release 
onyx apex
might need to disable static meshes
#1446017925545857145 message
i was able to get this game to render pretty well
modern robin
wait whats new
onyx apex
#1446017925545857145 message
lament ice
got some auto pbr porting started for tdr
overall its a mess that looks good in some places
onyx apex
receiver 2 still doesnt hook
iirc it blocked bepinex or just didn't load the unityrtx plugin?
i still haven't tested it yet
modern robin
iirc it blocked bepinex or just didn't load the unityrtx plugin?
the plugin
bepinex loads fine
lament ice
cr
onyx apex
🙃
lament ice
hi
modern robin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1288323945271132211/1288324200368705606/unforseenbetrayal.gif
oh god
sub rosa rtx
onyx apex
holy fuck yes
modern robin
i should do that
modern robin
Sub rosa isnt unity
lament ice
how do i describe this to ai
onyx apex
Sub rosa isnt unity
guh
onyx apex
nothing that the remix api cant handle
modern robin
hell yeah
though it would probably break gameplay considering the only light in the game is the sun light
onyx apex
just wire it up to work the same way? unless im missing something
lament ice
how do i describe this to ai
I found the likely noise source: _Specular was being forwarded raw as roughnessTexture, but Bendy’s JDS _Specular is not a ready-to-use Remix roughness map. I’ll change that path so true roughness maps are forwarded raw, while spec/gloss maps are converted into a stable grayscale roughness map before forwarding. i guess
modern robin
just wire it up to work the same way? unless im missing something
interiors arent lit
is what i meant
onyx apex
oh so like everything is fullbright?
modern robin
interiors are full bright
onyx apex
hmm
onyx apex
nah needs to be converted to octahedral or whatever its called
lament ice
can it even do that on the fly or is it more of im gonna have to manually do it
onyx apex
you can make it do it in-memory but it will eat up vram
or have it dump the converted maps to a directory and then have the wrapper load it
latter is better imo
i assume you're doing this by modifying unityrtx? or is this in the remix runtime
lament ice
yeah
modified unityrtx
mostly started bcuz everything was emissive then i realized this game has pbr
oh shi
the bricks are still backwards tho
thank you ai
😭
much better
i think
modern robin
much better
still looks inverted
lament ice
split loom
GPT fixed Katamari textures in one after Claude just fucked around forever
Help
Oh it was just the F3 debug menu doing it
Bunch of stuff missing but whats there looks solid
split loom
Baboo
I can't seem to select the sky texture as sky, or manually define it (at least why looks like the sky texture in the texture picker doesn't do anything)
Also the game takes all inputs while running and stops going when I alt+tab out
split loom
Can't seem to get objects to fully show up, the Katamari itself is always missing as are some human body parts and other moving objects
split loom
Hmm, seems like the missing objects aren't picked up at all, they don't show on the debug object view
vale root
Can't seem to get objects to fully show up, the Katamari itself is always missin...
Even still, that is really cool! Path traced Katamari, just the King of All Cosmos intended...
split loom
Even still, that is really cool! Path traced Katamari, just the King of All Cosm...
True but what's Katamari without the Katamari
@onyx apex If certain objects don't show up under the layers/renderers is it joever?
sudden seal
🤔 is this for the api method?
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> If certain objects don't show up under the layers/renderer...
could be meshes that are unable to be read back, but more than likely since the game is il2cpp, we're just missing a lot of stuff
split loom
could be meshes that are unable to be read back, but more than likely since the ...
I actually found the Katamari, it's just not in the correct spot.
Wonder why it didn't show up in any of the dumps I did
I made it dump all objects to file and analyze it
Dumb ass AI couldn't find it but I did. Apparently it's called MonoMakikomi.
PS6 Katamari leaked screenshot
lament ice
wonder if peak has textures now
onyx apex
it does, but perf and overall visuals are still abysmal
onyx apex
should
lament ice
doesnt, it never loads bepinex
onyx apex
weird, its monobleedingedge
lament ice
i know
onyx apex
perhaps the unity ver is too new
lament ice
all the fun unity games i have either have heavy levels of anti cheat, or already work fine
lament ice
could be DRM
maybe
similar to raft i guess
at least muck works 🥹
ok bricks for sure are no longer inverted
atomic thorn
ok so
split loom
We got proper Katamari positioning
Sadly it came with random car in the bedroom
Also is it expected that ignoring texture doesn't seem to work?
onyx apex
ignore texture only works for d3d9 calls, you need to use hide texture instance instead
split loom
ignore texture only works for d3d9 calls, you need to use hide texture instance ...
Understood 
onyx apex
i should probably remove all of those categories lol
tranquil sparrow
A bit of a funny question - what can be done from the side of Unity game dev to make Remix hooking easier?
onyx apex
use all of the standard, bult-in unity rendering features
onyx apex
code-wise, use monobleedingedge
onyx apex
which is?
onyx apex
ah
lament ice
almost grey
onyx apex
its more than likely a colorspace conversion issue
every unity game seems to exhibit this
lament ice
auto
split loom
Rolling stuff works 
young wolf
at the cost of my pbr its fixed
What got fixed?
young wolf
Rolling stuff works <:flushedcat:1324852755403378688>
i love the ambient lighting
lament ice
What got fixed?
textures upload as UNORM instead of srgb
onyx apex
textures upload as UNORM instead of srgb
mind showing this change?
would love to add this globally
lament ice
MUCH better
lament ice
mind showing this change?
like the source code? yeah one sec
half musk
were the albedo textures already in linear?
undone nymph
Seems with the v0.2 more geometry is rendered
lament ice
were the albedo textures already in linear?
id assume so but thats a cr question
half musk
interesting
lament ice
all i did was make the textures load in unorm
and that seemed to fix the dark issue
gonna try it on uk
young wolf
textures upload as UNORM instead of srgb
Ah is that why the colours looked so weird?
atomic thorn
Rolling stuff works <:flushedcat:1324852755403378688>
art style vs no art style
split loom
Bru, not only did we get Katamari RTX but it also looks sick in HDR
I was like "lets fiddle with the tonemapping to get it to look proper" but then HDR just fixed the image
half musk
native hdr or?
split loom
Yes
I assume
Whatever HDR CRs been working on
Whatever it is, it looks good to me, certainly better than the blown out original SDR image
half musk
oh didn't realize that was still in lol
split loom
I think he never took it out of the Unity build
(I think I'll just put it into my runtimes because it rules )
topaz knoll
baldi's basics plus
lament ice
Ah is that why the colours looked so weird?
Yes
Well
Remix now supports unorm for until instead of srgb
I wasnt able to test any other games tho
split loom
Any idea what could cause periodic hitches with skinned meshes enabled? It seems like it's happening even in simple scenes
About every half a second or so it chugs
onyx apex
if this is with that il2cpp katamari game, couldnt tell you
sudden seal
it's amazing how much progress you've made with this project
onyx apex
btw @split loom do you mind sharing your il2cpp changes? I'm getting ready to refactor unityrtx so it has a plugin system so @lament ice old mono stuff and your il2cpp changes will work as-is
split loom
btw <@575001749429944340> do you mind sharing your il2cpp changes? I'm getting r...
Hmm, how would I go about sharing this? I only have it locally in VS Code
onyx apex
you can just zip the development directory and send that via dms or here, either is fine
split loom
you can just zip the development directory and send that via dms or here, either...
Sent you a friend request for the DM 
split loom
Man, Katamari was going so well and now I can't figure this hitching out
lament ice
btw <@575001749429944340> do you mind sharing your il2cpp changes? I'm getting r...
Will you be adding the unorm too? Did it work at all
onyx apex
yeah i will
lament ice
Yay
split loom
Damn, that looks good
light bronze
the game needs to be mono?
light bronze
oops thought it was updated to support mono too
split loom
@onyx apex Have you tried a game with lots of skinned meshes before? Ever encountered any performance issues/hitches in them?
onyx apex
oops thought it was updated to support mono too
not yet
onyx apex
<@326199486550376451> Have you tried a game with lots of skinned meshes before? ...
yea, only game i had issues with was ATLYSS with hw skinning, killed fps, but no hitching
but like i said before, you have a custom version of unityrtx so it could be anything
you can try to turn on hw skinning if that works
split loom
yea, only game i had issues with was ATLYSS with hw skinning, killed fps, but no...
Hmm, weird, fps is fine in Katamari but there is this periodic hitching like a 100ms hitch every 0.5s or so and it seems to start happening once the amount of skinned meshes gets to a certain point
Tried HW skinning but that didn't improve things
Even just moving the main game window around skips when this is going on
onyx apex
once i integrate your il2cpp changes, ill obtain katamari and figure it out
split loom
once i integrate your il2cpp changes, ill obtain katamari and figure it out
That would be great thanks, I'll also keep plugging away at it and will report if I find anything
split loom
Hope it's not a bigger il2cpp bug
light bronze
what's a free game that you are 100% sure works?
i can't get any game to work
i think it's just proton
but i don't know
onyx apex
you need to set winhttp.dll at native for wine dll overrides
light bronze
i can't get any game to work
bepinex is not even hooking i think
onyx apex
i havent tried proton tho
light bronze
you need to set winhttp.dll at native for wine dll overrides
ohh
lament ice
DOWN TO THE FIBERS OF THE PLUSH, i swear ill stop spam posing im js excited my thing worked
lament ice
i love using a games natural pbr system for remix
light bronze
`WINEDLLOVERRIDES="winhttp=n,b" %command%`
yeah even with this dll override it doesn't hook anything
lament ice
pbr for superliminal
